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[S1] Right. So there's just so many questions. I think over time, you know, some people are saying as soon as 2030, we're all gonna somehow be involved in the metaverse. So it'll be interesting to see if that plays out that way. It could be sooner, it could be later. What are your thoughts? Do you think we're gonna be ...
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[S1] Advanced English. [S2] To be informed. [S1] To be informed. Thank you, Greg. That's the word I was looking for. You want to make sure that you're subscribed to our newsletter, so you can easily do that. It's a free newsletter. You just go to our website, advancedenglish.co, and there's a little pop-up, and you can...
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[S1] Hello, Advanced English Learners, Mary Daphne and Greg here, having a live conversation. And we'd be happy to answer any of your questions if you just throw them in the interactive chat in the margin on the side, or leave a comment down below, which we'll get to as well. So how are you doing today, Greg? [S2] Doin...
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[S1] I'm doing well as well. [S2] [LAUGHS] [S1] I'm excited to be having this conversation with you because it's about one of my favorite topics. Uh, communication, obviously, is one of my favorite topics and very passionate about. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] Um, but, you know, if you think about language learning and why, at le...
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[S1] Yeah, for me, I think it was, um, uh, understanding the culture. [S2] Yeah. [S1] Right? Contextual positioning.
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[S1] ... linguistic competence doesn't allow someone to become communicative. It doesn't allow them to communicate. And I'm sure you can think of your own examples, um, but one that stands out is like when somebody can read- [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] ... but can't speak.
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[S1] Yeah, that, that happens all the time. That was very common. When I was teaching, uh, English in China- [S2] Yeah. [S1] ... um, a lot of my students, their reading abilities vastly out- ex- exceeded their, um, speaking abilities. [S2] Yeah. [S1] Which I'm sure, you know, you've, you've run into those situations as...
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[S1] ... for sure. [S2] ... as well. [S1] Yeah. Right? So, you know, it's not enough to get us to the point of being able to communicate, right? Even if you can read the most advanced text or a book. Um, and isn't that funny? So then, Del Himes came up with this term,
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[S1] ... a couple of years later, communicative competence, which includes linguistic competence, but takes it a step further and says, "Hold up. It's not just knowing the words." [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] It's knowing when is it appropriate to use those words, and really, like you said, being in- attuned to the culture. Right...
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[S1] Very much so. Yeah. [S2] Yeah. [S1] Yeah. So, so within the, and I have my notes here just so that we don't miss anything, but we have, okay, so under the communicative competence framework, we have, uh, a few different competencies, right? Areas that we want to really improve in order to be able to communicate, r...
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[S1] ... context, uh, you know, different types of communication settings. So we have linguistic competence, right? Understanding the code of language from grammar and vocabulary. [S2] Yeah. [S1] Right? And so that's like the most basic one because you, when you're learning a language, you're doing vocab. [S2] Yep. [S1...
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[S1] That's really good. I'm so glad that you defined that because we are using it a lot. Um, ability too, right? It's, it's your ability in that area. So sociolinguistic competence. There we go. I said it this time. Um, this one's really about, like, the sociocultural rules, right? It's the- [S2] When you hear socio, ...
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[S1] ... tend to kind of like shy away from those topics. [S2] Yeah. [S1] Unless you're with like really good friends or family. Um, just because it can incite a lot of like emotion. But here they were just like casually talking about it because in, in French culture it's not a taboo, right? So that's under that sociol...
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[S1] Precisely. [S2] Yeah. [S1] Yeah. Into like a cohesive paragraph or essay. Okay. [S2] Or narrative. [S1] Yeah. [S2] Yep. [S1] Um, even like a speech. How can you give a speech? How can you hold a debate? And then we have, actually, this one's, I think, one of my favorites, uh, strategic confidence. So do you have a...
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[S1] Yeah, I feel like that ties into what we were discussing last week in terms of the importance of getting clarity. [S2] Oh, right. [S1] When people use ambiguous language. [S2] Yeah. [S1] Fuzzy, fuzzy terms. [S2] Fuzzy phrases. [S1] Fuzzy phrases, right? [S2] Yeah. [S1] Seeking, seeking clarity in what they're sayi...
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[S1] Yeah. Right. Things like repair, seeking clarity, asking, um, a question saying, "I didn't, I didn't catch that. Can you repeat it?" Uh, self-correction, right? Self-repair. So these are four. And then recently we've added another one, which is intercultural competence. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] So that, what do we mean b...
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[S1] But you're also relying on discourse competence, linguistic competence, sociolinguistic competence, right? So just to show you that there's so much more- [S2] Yeah. [S1] ... than just this one idea of, of knowing a language, right? We need all of these things to be able to communicate. [S2] Yeah, yeah. No, it's, i...
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[S1] Because, um, it allows us, I think, to be much more thoughtful about the way we communicate and when we're communicating, what aspects of communication we're using. [S2] Yeah. [S1] So I find this is really useful to apply, especially when you're advanced in the language. You, you know, at this point, your, your ch...
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[S1] ... fluent usage of the language in a way that, that, that comes across as native, right? [S2] Right. [S1] And by understanding a lot of these components, these sort of fundamental but hard-to-see, almost invisible components of communication- [S2] Yeah. [S1] ... you can come across as much more fluent, um- [S2] F...
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[S1] correcting yourself on the spot. Because native speakers do this too. When they say something, they'll just, they won't say, "Oh, I just said something really wrong. What was that?" Like, they won't make a big deal out of it. They'll simply repeat it. [S2] Yeah. [S1] And news anchors do this all the time. We were ...
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[S1] ... competencies so that you can start seeing yourself improve overall in your communication. [S2] Yeah. [S1] Um, and so that's sort of an overview of this. Uh, we'll probably go more in depth at some point. Um, we have some other goodies coming your way. So, yeah, we, we wanna hear from you. What experience have ...
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[S1] Exactly. [S2] Yeah. [S1] So, that's it. So we'll see you next week, and thank you so much for joining us. [S2] Yeah. [S1] Have a wonderful day. [S2] We'll see you next time. [S1] Happy learning. Happy advanced English learning.
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[S1] And there is a contentious relationship as well. I remember as a kid, um, I always loved to play the educational video games. [S2] I, I, I agree with you. And I, I like reminisce fondly, uh, on those, those video game memories. And I often ask you about them, if you played the same video games as a kid and it turn...
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[S1] Um, there are games that are explicitly designed, uh, for education. [S2] Yeah. Yes. [S1] And those can be a lot of fun. Um, they tend to be lower budget though. [S2] Mm, yeah. [S1] Um, I'm speaking from the perspective of a gamer. [S2] Okay. [S1] Um, they tend to be lower budget, and as you get a little bit older...
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[S1] Um, and those are basically you run around in a world, um, and you're a soldier of some sort. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] And you're fighting aliens or you're fighting enemies, whatever. [S2] Right. [S1] So you're going around, but that's a first person experience. [S2] Yeah. [S1] Um, then you have RPGs. [S2] Role playing g...
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[S1] Interesting. And chess is a tough, tough game. [S2] Exactly. [S1] Lots of strategy involved. [S2] Exactly. [S1] Lots of brain power you're using. [S2] Exactly. Trying to plan your next step. [S1] Yeah. [S2] Um, they tend to be also quite competitive, so you can play against other players. [S1] Right. Or AI. [S2] O...
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[S1] Right. So I would say, let's just backtrack for a second. So with the strategy, maybe, uh, thinking about it in terms of amping up your problem-solving skills. [S2] I would argue that all of them use problem-solving skills. [S1] Okay. Okay, that's good. That's good. [S2] I would say that the, the RPG, which one we...
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[S1] Okay, so problem solving. [S2] Problem solving, totally. [S1] That's what makes me think of. [S2] Yep. RTS is, it's sort of strategy, right? [S1] Right. [S2] Resource management. [S1] That also makes me think of being able to think of a decision quickly and being- [S2] Absolutely.
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[S1] Being, because indecisiveness is actually a big problem. Think about how many business opportunities get postponed or never transpire, they never happen because somebody was too afraid to make that decision on the spot. [S2] Really good point. Yeah. All the time, um, businesses languish, right? They don't get anyw...
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[S1] ... that just made me think of, wow, this is really enabling people to work on that decisiveness skill. [S2] Yeah. Um, it's, it, you know, that actually is, that comes from a classic style of book when we were kids. [S1] Yeah. [S2] Called Choose Your Own Adventure. [S1] Okay. [S2] Have you ever read a Choose Your ...
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[S1] Okay, I've definitely played certain types of games like that. [S2] And at the bottom of the, this is, this is analog, right? [S1] It's a, it's a book, yeah. [S2] At the, at the, and then it'll say, if you choose to go home, turn to page three. [S1] Okay, yeah. [S2] If you choose to go into the cave, turn to page ...
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[S1] Like, um, like a train coasts along the tracks. [S2] Okay. [S1] But, uh, I like that imagery of, of like the coast, the- [S2] It's an im-
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[S1] ... in their language. [S2] I pay a lot of attention to the character development. Like, what are they trying to express with this character? [S1] Yeah. [S2] You know, um, how are they going to, how is this character going to evolve, or how has this character evolved over the, the course of the narrative?
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[S1] Yeah, absolutely. I think there's absolutely a way of doing it actively and, you know, language learning is definitely one way to do that, but also just being really observant, understanding the social dynamics, the social connections, the plot development, the character development. So maybe next time you watch s...
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[S1] Exactly. Like, if you're, if you're playing a game and you don't have to save and you don't have to restart, you know, for the start of the level or whatever, if you're not dying as the video game character, you're probably not playing on a hard enough difficulty. [S2] Yeah. [S1] Because that's, that's a big part ...
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[S1] Right? So just using the language in a way that really matters because your communication with them can dictate whether or not you guys succeed at whatever sort of mission that you're on. [S2] Absolutely. [S1] That's huge. And you can, that can be in written, that can be in voice. So there really are so many layer...
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[S1] So why don't you tell us a little bit about what the Robotaxi is. What is a Robotaxi? I think a lot of people can probably guess, but I'd like for you to share your opinion. [S2] Sure. Robotaxi, I love that name 'cause it sounds like it's straight out of the Jetsons. [S1] Yes. [S2] Which is this futuristic cartoon...
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[S1] So what are robotaxis? Robotaxis, robo, is short for robot. There was a movie that came out in the 90s with Arnold Schwarzenegger called RoboCup. [S2] Oh. [S1] So robo just means, it's short for robot. So it's this old school term for robo, for robot. Taxi, we all know what taxis are. So what's a robotaxi? It's a ...
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[S1] That's the key distinction here, is that a robotaxi, in its ultimate form, has no driver. [S2] So it's a driverless vehicle. [S1] It's a driverless vehicle. It's a driverless taxi. And what's interesting is this point about driverless. [S2] Yeah. [S1] Because if you think about it, our cars are already kind of rob...
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[S1] That's right. So when I think of a robot, I think of a robot is this sort of combination of different automated actions that the machine takes. So the more automated it becomes, the more robotic it becomes in my mind. [S2] Yes. [S1] And so that's why I'm saying
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[S1] That robotaxis, technically, from my perspective, exist on a spectrum. [S2] Okay. [S1] In a spectrum, you have on the one end- [S2] Yeah. [S1] ... something that's completely manual. That's basically a bicycle, right? A bicycle is you're pedaling, you're steering completely. [S2] Yeah. [S1] Everything's controlled...
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[S1] That's right. And so going back to the spectrum, where we are at the currently is we're not at that robotaxi side of things. [S2] Yeah. [S1] But we're also not in a horse and cart. And this is an important distinction to make because we're actually getting quite a bit closer to the robotaxi side of things. Faster ...
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[S1] Get into a car now, particularly a car manufactured in 2020 or later. It's going to have a lot of automatic, robotic features. [S2] Features. [S1] Steering assist, right? So it's going to keep you within your lane. Protection from the cars in front of you. So if it thinks you're going to collide with the car in fr...
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[S1] Navigation, a lot of cars now, including Tesla- [S2] Yeah. [S1] ... have actual automated navigation in there now. So you can plug in where you're going and on certain road conditions, it will actually navigate the car for you. [S2] Yeah. [S1] Which is pretty cool. [S2] Right. [S1] But still not at that point wher...
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[S1] So they're piloting it, meaning testing it out and then- [S2] A beta. [S1] Exactly, a beta test and then receiving feedback from the study, so to speak. Or you can also call it a pilot study. And then incorporating all that feedback into the next version after the beta test. [S2] Which presumably will address a la...
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[S1] Right, and to resolve the bugs and all of that before it, it reaches a wider mass. So Uber and Lyft are now not doing their own driverless vehicles, but they are starting to roll out these taxi, robotaxi- [S2] Yes and no. So- [S1] ... services.
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[S1] Yes and no. So th- [S2] ... services. [S1] They are probably the two that had pioneered it, or at least their business model was predicated on automated drivers eventually taking over. Because it's expensive to have an actual person driving a car. That's why cabs cost money, is because you're paying for someone to...
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[S1] And human drivers. [S2] And human drivers. [S1] Yeah. [S2] And humans and human drivers are very unpredictable, and they'll do things that we really shouldn't be doing. [S1] Like jaywalking. So walking when there's not a crosswalk. [S2] Yeah, no crosswalk, or they're maybe, they're walking in front of a green ligh...
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[S1] ... this is a big no-no. [S2] Maybe they're speeding, whatever. [S1] Yeah. [S2] The point is, humans do random things, and robots don't like random things. Robots follow the rules, whatever the rules are. [S1] Robots are systematic. [S2] By definition, robots don't do random things unless you specifically program ...
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[S1] that's dedicated to driverless cars and specifically robotaxis. And so they have pilots, I think in Phoenix. They might even be piloting something in San Francisco, or it's a competitor called GM Cruise, GM General Motors, which is a huge car manufacturer. [S2] Yeah. Right. [S1] They have a subdivision they purcha...
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[S1] So when do you think robotaxis will actually be something that we can all use? [S2] Oh, gosh. That's, that is like the million dollar question, right? [S1] That's what I'm asking. [S2] Yeah.
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[S1] Yeah. Everyone wants to know, and people have been predicting it for years. So if you went back to 2010, the estimate you would have gotten is 2015. [S2] Right. [S1] If you're in 2015, the estimate would have been, oh, 2020. We're now at 2022, the estimate- [S2] Almost 23. [S1] Almost 23, that's true. And the esti...
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[S1] I think, reasonably speaking, based on the progress of technology, which is exponential, right? Our AI models, our machine learning models, which are the sort of software behind the Robotaxi technology. [S2] Yes. [S1] It's the guiding systems. It's the ability to handle random, unpredictable events. It's the abili...
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[S1] And so the speed at which we improve is accelerating. [S2] Right. [S1] So right now it still feels far off, but this is a long-winded way of saying, my guess is probably by 2030- [S2] Okay. [S1] ... we will have widespread robotaxi services.
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[S1] Now, we also talk about air, air taxis. So I wonder what's gonna actually come into the fold sooner. If it's going to be automated vehicles, meaning on land driving, or if we're gonna have not space travel per se, but air travel. So flying basically- [S2] Flying personal vehicles. [S1] Fly, flying personal, yes. [...
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[S1] depicting flying cars, and it said the year 2000. [S2] Oh, funny. [S1] So back then, that's when we thought that would happen. [S2] Y2K.
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[S1] Why together? So nowadays, everyone's like flying cars. Yeah, forget about it. In fact, there's, I think there's like a basically a colloquial line that says, "Yeah, that'll happen as soon as we get flying cars." [S2] Okay. [S1] Right? Which is basically saying, "It'll never happen." Turns out, it will happen. We ...
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[S1] props, propellers on them, which means there's a lot of redundant systems making them a lot safer than a helicopter. [S2] Okay, I was gonna ask that. How safe are they? 'Cause helicopters, we hear all sorts of things about helicopters being not that safe. [S1] Yeah, helicopters are still a lot safer than driving. ...
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[S1] which is why I'm looking forward to robots driving us because they'll take the human error out of it. [S2] Yeah. [S1] And hopefully make driving a lot safer. [S2] Exactly. [S1] But the, okay, so flying cars, one would assume that if robotaxis on the ground driving cars are five, seven years off, then you'd assume ...
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[S1] Right? You have three dimensional space to work with. So there's a lot more room to wiggle. And there are trees and dividers and pedestrians that you can collide with. [S2] Yeah, that's true. [S1] So the real challenge in the air is just simply getting regulatory approval because the air is very much a regulated s...
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[S1] ... sooner than ground taxis. And you can already see airlines like United- [S2] Yeah. [S1] ... and Delta making real investments. We're talking tens of millions of dollars into air taxi services. They're thinking like, instead of taking a cab to the airport, you're taking an air taxi to the airport. [S2] Yeah. [S...
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[S1] ... vehicles in operation sooner, just because of that. [S2] Because it feels- [S1] Exactly. It feels- [S2] Like something we're used to. [S1] Yeah. But I would be interested in trying either. I think if it's safe and tested enough, then I would be curious to do it, especially if it's environmentally friendly, as ...
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[S1] As an early adopter myself, I'm more willing probably than most to take the first leap. But that's mostly because I just see it as such an enhancement to our lives. I think about not needing to live in the, the city, right? [S2] Yeah. [S1] You can live out in the suburbs way outside the city and just take an air t...
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[S1] Yeah. [S2] [LAUGHS] [S1] Right, that's true. I mean, that it will, I think that will be useful one day. [S2] Sure. [S1] We'll see. All right, so let us know what you think. Really curious to hear your thoughts. Don't forget to...
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[S1] That's fascinating. So let me make sure that I've got the concept down. [S2] Yeah. [S1] Essentially what you're saying is, there is a piece of software- [S2] Yes. [S1] ... that can listen to someone's voice, to someone's speech, and based on the way that they're saying things, and perhaps the words, perhaps the wo...
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[S1] In some ways, that's the more subtle aspect of communication. It's not the words that you're using, but it's how you're saying them that reveals the most information. [S2] Absolutely. [S1] So it makes a lot of sense that's what they would focus on. And frankly, they may never need to focus on the vocabulary becaus...
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[S1] Totally. Yeah. And it brings up an interesting question. And this is a debate that comes up, which is, is this then going to replace the doctor? Is this going to replace the, the clinician if the, the software can do this? [S2] Yeah. [S1] And of course my answer is no. [S2] No. [S1] Not in any foreseeable future b...
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[S1] They're afraid that the therapist thinks that they're weird or strange, whatever. [S2] Yeah. [S1] You're talking to a computer, into a software, the software, you know that it's not judging you because it's just a program. And therefore they're more likely to open up and speak honestly.
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[S1] Uh, what I can say is, and think about how incredible it is that a, a watch, we're wearing smart watches and smart rings right now. [S2] Yeah. [S1] Think about how amazing those are. They just shine a little bit of light through your skin into your blood vessels. [S2] Yeah.
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[S1] And based on how the blood vessels, basically how their light is reflected back into the watch, it can determine all kinds of things like your pulse, right? Your blood oxygen. [S2] Your VO2, yeah. [S1] All of these very specific metrics just from the way that the light is essentially refracted in the blood vessels...
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[S1] elements of cardiovascular distress- [S2] Huh. [S1] ... through the way that we talk. Maybe it's the way we breathe, right? Our respiratory rate, maybe- [S2] Yeah, that's what I was gonna say. [S1] It could be anything. I'm sure there are, there are all kinds of little secret clues that we give out that we don't e...
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[S1] Same. I'm with you, Greg. What about you, though? What do you think? Do you think technology is a barrier or is it an enhancement? Is it a facilitator or a barrier? What do you think? Would you use this type of technology? Let us know your thoughts. Also, be sure to test your listening comprehension by- [S2] Speak...
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[S1] Hello, advanced English learners. Welcome back to another Native English Speaker conversation. I'm joined by the one and only Greg. Thank you for joining me, Greg. [S2] Of course. [S1] So this is a topic Greg suggested and I'm excited to talk about it. We've gotten some suggestions about business topics. It seems ...
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