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[S1] ... to get that read. Got the call back over here, but Koi, they have to play together. They do have a showstopper in the hands of Kammo. [S2] That smoke, single-handedly, makes him, Koi, so, so scared of a mid crunch. Everybody's looking here. Well, three out of four. [S1] I mean, so consistently, there has been a late wrap. [S2] It is. And Mystic gets caught. Kammo's got a showstopper. What are the chances here? One out of ten. [S1] I don't think they're going for it. You can tell from this call alone that- [S2] Yeah, they're dropping back.
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[S1] So ready and waiting for this mid crunch. Doesn't quite have quick reinforcement. Shado's would be the next player to contest. [S2] There. [S1] But he doesn't have much cover. Resmoked. Into the smoke. [S2] Oh. [S1] There you go. Gets one before it drops. Well, that's a lot of information. Three players recovered, but they do drop back just a little. [S2] Taking out Mystic is key here, though. The fact that they no longer have smokes to work with here on Team Liquid. [S1] How much of a difference will it truly make? [S2] I think it's a higher value trade. [S1] And Yampy doesn't have flashes anymore.
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[S1] So, dry peaks, unsmoked peaks. They're gonna have to take this together. Coordinated. Shadow, he's got everything to his exposure apart from his rolling thunder. [S2] 30 seconds left. [S1] And there's a flank in the making, the likes of Yampy, and that nobody currently is reading. Camo no more. Yampy on the bike, and there's nothing Corey could've done about it. Carabino. [S2] Whoa! [S1] With the Ghost in hand, gets through out of nowhere, and Kiko left in the hot seat.
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[S1] ... Cameron Gowridge, making sure that no one is pushed up to spawn or mid. Instead, Team Liquid look to push through, was a safe site. Shadows spots one, I think, on the mini-map. Shadow is, oh, he has to do his weight and hide. He has to be cleared. And nobody's cleared him just- [S2] He heard a step. [S1] ... step. 30 seconds. Shadows peeks out. That's one pick. Looks to run away, but Mystic trades. 30 seconds. Mystic has got to do it alone. Vandal upgraded. 25 seconds. Spike left behind, but is also stuck, so in mid, he has to careful. [S2] He wants to wrap back around, but with 20 seconds on the clock, the spike down-
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[S1] He had a fraction of a second, Starxo, or even, I don't know, anyone could have dealt with him there. I think it was Starxo and Shadow, both with the opportunity to do so. Just half a second. Maybe less. [S2] Fortunately, you can't turn back the clock. [S1] Nope.
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[S1] That's all right. It's okay to be old. [S2] [LAUGHS] What? [S1] No, I'm joking, I'm joking. All right, let's- [S2] Definitely not the oldest one on the broadcast. [S1] Yeah, I'm definitely done. Never gonna be casting with Ashe again. But for now, Koi, they've settled into this A site push. Uh, Kiko holding this line of fire will rip Grabinho's face to pieces.
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[S1] And I wouldn't be surprised if Team Liquid went for the chase as well. You've got Yampy on a sheriff, you've got Keek on an outlaw- [S2] Ten seconds left. [S1] ... Mystic, and that's both having, uh, lesser than optimal weapons to carry over to the next round. Well, Mystic has found themselves a van before the upgrade, but the chase will come in, and Koi will try and interrupt it, but no, no one's gone in for the chase. Now they will, and Starxer will keep himself alive. [S2] Ooh. [S1] And barely does so indeed. So rifles, a couple of them carried over for Koi.
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[S1] ... bait there for Shadow as well to throw out that Hunter's Fury. Sure, looking to maybe try and tag one, but the realistic part of that was to try and bait Team Liquid into pushing forward. [S2] And that's what you need. You need your leader, lead from the front. You can see so much is being done to get them back in. And then from everything we've seen so far, Koi, all they need is an inch to find themselves a streak of rounds. [S1] Okay, Team Liquid still have the advantage, though, right now.
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[S1] Yeah, keep track of how many times it happens every season. But- [S2] Tired out. [S1] Okay, Kiko's just walking straight up. He's by himself. He's like, "Okay." You know what? They haven't really contested mid that much. [S2] Uh, I mean, it's close up the gap. He can find some damage with a right click. Classic, but Camo not giving him an inch. [S1] Nope. [S2] Here. [S1] But it- [S2] Perfect. [S1] Maybe expected him to maybe work towards an orb instead, but I mean, Koi tends to be more focused on the extremities anyways, so.
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[S1] ... roughness. [S2] Tough opponents waiting on the other side as well with Team Vitality and Carmine Corps being the ones to qualify earlier today. [S1] Very true. Not an easy task. No one said it was. [S2] No, but they gotta focus here on this match first. Blades for Kiko, walked all the way up, but look how patient Koi are. [S1] And realistically, it's the blades or Yampies Vandal that will do most of the damage for Team Liquid here. And it's basically what they rely on to not have just a thrifty loss.
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[S1] Still back though. Spotted out probably two, I think, would be the guess coming out from Shadow. [S2] Yeah. [S1] Just based on what was shot out and what he was able to see. [S2] Can be for camo enabled.
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[S1] ... still saying, "Nobody here, guys. Stick to your positions." The threat is imminent. Close to this action, all Team Liquid players grouped up together. It's gonna be a five-man collapse and Camo no time to get out of it. [S2] Oh. [S1] Starkso, instead, to find the trade onto Enzo, and he will be trying to close up the gap even more. And he's able to get them all. Triple kill for Starkso. Shadow entrance the fight, but then Odin, he's being incredible with it. Bullets all over the Team Liquid players, and the round goes to Koi.
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[S1] ... across the board. This looks a lot more like the, you know, the coin team Liquid that we saw before. [S2] Oh, big time. But this time Camo's got an operator and is looking at the right direction. Team Liquid move in here. There's a big chance they'll be trading out kills and call his favor. I'll draw in, finding out Gravino, but doesn't give a chance for Camo's position to be telegraphed. Didn't know he's kept on to the operator. [S1] Yeah. [S2] They should. [S1] The walk up towards the left side, though, is huge.
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[S1] They've got to. [S2] It's so testy when the money situation is just that rough to deal with. Knowing that you need everything to work in your favor because even worse would be to lose all of those guns. [S1] 100%. [S2] Letting Liquid head to 11 and then you're fighting out for match point without anything in your pocket. [S1] Cast those feelings aside. Take an extra breath. Use this time towards this end of the round to discuss what you can be doing the next one.
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[S1] Resurrection here for Mystic available. Looking over on the side of Koi, again, there is going to be a Viper's Pit here. So you see the judge coming in, now expecting that to come out early. [S2] You know what excites me the most here, Ash? The Kiko operator. On attack. [S1] [SIGHS] [S2] Yeah. [LAUGHS] It's scary. If you're Koi right now, you don't want to be faced up against it.
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[S1] At the same time, a lot of extremity control here for Koi because you also have Camo pushed up towards Nest on A. He's just sent out his TP as well. [S2] So it's gone out for the lurk. [S1] This is all ambi.
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[S1] Yampy on the look, though. This could be crucial. There's nothing to, uh, to alarm Coy here from this flag. [S2] No, nothing toward spoiler. It's only the alarm bot over underneath Tube, but he chooses Tube itself instead. He hasn't positioned himself there before. [S1] So all team Liquid are doing right now is trying to buy the time to wrap around here. Let Yampy get into a great position to change the tide of this round. [S2] Scouting good here for Camo at the very least.
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[S1] You know, everybody has a blunder every now and then. [S2] Let's go, guys. [S1] For now, right? Certainly not a blunder of a round. Gorgeous play. And it's even five, four, three, two, one on the kills on KC. They're, they're making it look very clean. Incremental damage. [S2] Yeah, and zero, three, zero, three, three on assists. [S1] Wow. [S2] I'm really glad you pointed that one out. [S1] [LAUGHS] Oh. [S2] For the side of Heretics, an attempt, a bit of aggression around- [S1] Oh, that's not where he meant to th-
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[S1] You see those signs of life. [S2] That's ridiculous. [S1] Start to come back on the board and you just say, "Hey, whatever. We'll throw it all out there." One on the board for Heretics. A battle back that, to be honest, you know, I, I sort of came into this round expecting a, a decent bit of damage for Heretics. [S2] That flash was so good. [S1] They've been good with weaker weapons. I didn't expect them to just dominate like this. I, floating back into the side,
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[S1] I just don't think he's going to be able to do it, you know? [S2] [LAUGHS] [S1] Yeah, no, can't quite match the level. And that's something that, honestly, I, I, I love Benji Fisher from the second I met this guy and asked him, "When are you coming? When are you, when are you coming to Tier 1?" And he told us, "I'm not interested in, in jumping straight in and using my, my socials or anything like that. I want to play Tier 2, I want to get good at the game, and I'll play VCT when I'm ready." Well... [S2] He's 19 now, by the way. [S1] He's pretty ready, yeah. [S2] So, 19 years old now. [S1] And also, also,
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[S1] They invested quite a bit into this round. They managed to get themselves a kill, use a lockdown even. All he's hoping for is to maybe put a second body on the pile. [S2] Well, if he's done that, at least the first is found. [S1] Could just take the gun. [S2] Take the gun and run. That's the play. He's out.
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[S1] Yeah, I think Martin might have taken about 300 damage that round and still survived. 'Cause the home leaders, he take the initial death, but he also gets healed up again afterwards because of the amount of damage he took on the re-aggress. Even still, though, Shin managed to protect the president. [S2] Five down, eight- [S1] Well, the president's rewarded him with a round. Really clean stuff from Kayce. Five of the last six.
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[S1] compositionally, just because this map can be difficult to get those plants in at times, especially on the B side, I do think there's a good opportunity for Heretics over on that defensive side. They're gonna have so much in terms of information and delay utility. Like, even with a Sage wall, if there's a- a nade, a fragment, a shot dart- [S2] Inventory. [S1] ... snagged by anything, it's gonna be difficult to plant, so I don't mind their chances. The problem is,
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[S1] Find something a little bit more before that wall goes down. But in fact, Tumazi has managed to win that fight. The spikes even coming through on the other side, just trying to bait them out. In the meantime, the players are walking up on A. They have fake planted the spike, and then they are running all the way back to the A side. That is absolute filth. It's only just being realized by Heretics that this has all been a bait. But look at the control- [S2] 30 seconds left. [S1] ... that KC have already taken.
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[S1] Now, on that attack side, with Nairate having, again, a lights out performance. I mentioned before, in the last map, there was a stage towards the end where he was 25 kills, 10 deaths, and 10 assists. He's now 16 and five. [S2] He's playing unreal. [S1] Six assists. His impact is off the goddamn charts. [S2] That's the thing. [S1] And it's in every round. [S2] If they win this, he's tournament MVP. I don't, I don't even think it's questionable. [S1] On the roles he's playing as well, it's remarkable.
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[S1] Oh, that's a- [S2] Oh, no. [S1] Oh, no. It's not what you like to see. A bit of a whiff, his position given away. The trigger discipline not quite matching up to what we saw earlier on from Martine. As KC now redirect themselves, it's the B site that's under threat. [S2] Yeah, it's- [S1] Boo. [S2] It's- I'm looking so back to-
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[S1] ... flash retrieved for Nare. I think that's going to cause a bit of a slowdown to the round while they wait for it to come back online. [S2] Here. [S1] We'll see Dizzy go through and a push to back site. But that's team Heretics triggered. [S2] 30 seconds left. [S1] Where's the... I hear those...
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[S1] Uh, I think Heretics have made the read. He's got an AWP and they're gonna hide and, and probably just headshot him right away. [S2] Okay. Everybody get their clips ready. [S1] Here comes Boo to start. It's gonna be the first man. I like the angle he's on. Actually, now I'm believing. Oh, God. Okay, he gets there in the end. Nice and clean. First kill, just as we expected. Shut down right after. Shot from Benji's good. Heretics aren't letting go of this. It's only Temazi left and he hasn't got a goddamn chance.
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[S1] ... 'cause again, they get to seven. [S2] The only way to approach this is one at a time. Five more rounds. It's a big task, but they can get there if they keep playing like this. That was nasty from Martine. Didn't catch that the first time around, but- [S1] It's the counter flash as well, again, from Nire, like, he is still probably dead, or at least one of the others is, but he just throws that Dizzy in, completely blind.
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[S1] ... Heretics. [S2] Nine! [S1] Building their confidence, building their rounds, and on the comeback guard, five in a row needed. Vipers pit to play with. KC, if they lose a player early on, that rez from Shin can always come back through now that it's online. There's something to think about, really, if you're Heretics. And four players spotted right away. I- I think they've got an iota that this is an A hit.
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[S1] Well, SpaceX, we design and manufacture our own rocket engines, so we do not rely on any Russian components at all. Um, this will affect- [S2] For, for, for the, uh, United States of America, it is, uh, dangerous, or- [S1] Well, the, Boeing and Lockheed, um, have historically relied on the Russian, uh, RD-180 engine, uh, which I should say, to be fair, is a great engine. Um,
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[S1] Uh, they are hoping to move away from that, uh, in the future with, uh, uh, engines from Blue Origin, but those engines are not yet ready for flight. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] Um, there is also the Antares vehicle, which is, uh, uses the RD-181, I believe. Um, they will not be able to fly as a result.
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[S1] ... always get it right, but I aspire to get it right. Um, and so whatever, uh, you know, I think is most likely to, uh, ensure that the future is good for, you know, all of humanity, that, that's, that's the actions that I will take. Um, yeah. [S2] A couple of months ago, we had an exchange about, uh, Ernst Junger's famous book. [S1] Oh, yeah, great book.
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[S1] Well, I think, like, the, those who are, don't like Jung's book, uh, are basically, you know, just b- because it's not, uh, 100% anti-war in the most extreme way, then that, that it's, therefore it's bad. [S2] No, it's like a report. It's just neither- [S1] Yeah. He's just saying- [S2] ... positive- [S1] ... this is what happened today. [S2] ... nor negative. It's just describing what happened- [S1] Is it- [S2] ... in a terrible way.
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[S1] I mean, learn the lessons of history, such that we do not, uh, repeat the, the mistakes of the past. Um. [S2] Well, we know that saying, "History doesn't repeat," but it rhymes, and we see a rhyme these days. [S1] Yeah. [S2] Back to the bigger strategic, uh, picture. I mean, the, the, the terrible actions of Putin are, to a certain degree, also a result of a stra- strategic mistakes that Europe, particularly Germany, has made. The dropout of nuclear energy. [S1] Actually, can I just
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[S1] Actually, can I just say, I think it's very important that Germany not shut down its nuclear power stations. I think this is extremely crazy. Uh, uh- [S2] I just wanted to ask a question on that because if we, if we really want to reduce Putin's power and Europeans and Germany's dependence on Russian energy, this works only through decarbonization. [S1] Yes. [S2] So my question to you is, should we have even more nuclear energy in order to get faster independent from Putin and- [S1] Yes. [S2] ... to resolve
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[S1] ... in Europe. [S2] I'm trying to use the strong, the strongest- [S1] ... from Germany. [S2] I'm trying to use the strongest words. [S1] Yeah. [S2] I would say this is a national security risk. It's not like, like, listen, play time is over, okay? Uh, obviously, play time is over. This is a national secur- it's a national security risk to shut these things down. [S1] It's another bitter le- uh, lesson of that war. Uh, it is not only an issue with regard to climate. [S2] Yeah. [S1] It is very much an issue- [S2] It's a national security risk- [S1] ... with regard to national security. [S2] ... and, and it's
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[S1] It's not going to last forever. And so, uh, we have to transition to something that is long-term in any case, 'cause we will run out of hydrocarbons to burn. So then, let's just not run the experiment. Uh, but I, I'm much less of a climate alarmist than people might think. Although of course my words are taken, you know, some type, always amplified, uh, but, uh- [S2] How is it going to look like in 15 years? Better than, uh, today? Much better than today? [S1] Oh,
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[S1] Let's also hear why we need alternatives. You have t- recently presented Optimus- [S2] Oh, yes. [S1] ... Human Robot, uh, and you shared great expectations for that could do for the world. [S2] Yeah. [S1] Could you explain a little bit your motivation? I assume it's not only about, uh, the first visit to Mars that could be done
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[S1] Um, I think it probably would. Yeah. I think so. It's just, it's a, like I said, general purpose humanoid, uh, yeah, so. [S2] You said the potential is bigger than the, than the potential of Tesla. If that's true, then- [S1] Both cars, yeah. [S2] ... then it must be really a mass market product. [S1] Yeah. [S2] Probably daily- [S1] Yeah, sure.
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[S1] You know, a remote island, a shipwrecked on an island, um, and, and you've got $1,000,000,000 in a Swiss bank account. It's worthless. You'd rather have a can of soup. So, you know, all the Bitcoin in the world, and you're still gonna starve. [S2] [LAUGHS] [S1] So, uh, the, the actual economy is goods and services. Um,
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[S1] But anyway, Optimus is also an answer to the problem of, uh, uh, drop in, uh, birth rates. If we have not enough human people, we need more bots. [S2] Well, for Optimus, I think- [S1] ... to get the work done. [S2] ... Optimus will be helpful with respect to dropping birth rates. But, I mean, like I said, you have to say, like, if these things continue, then what happens? Humanity dies out? Is that what we want?
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[S1] And then there's the cortex, which the cortex, by the way, is largely in service to the, the reptile brain. [S2] Could you imagine that one day we would be able to download our human brain capacity into a Optimus? [S1] Yes. I think that is, I'm not saying this is, I think, I think it is possible, I think, to do that. It is possible.
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[S1] It's like a global super taxi. You can just go from- [S2] Yeah. I mean, it's- [S1] ... San Francisco to Nairobi. [S2] Yeah. Um, I mean, the landing, the landing will be loud, so you'd want to probably be connecting, uh, you know, um, cities that are next to oceans or seas, such that you can land maybe, uh, I don't know, uh, far enough offshore that the, the la- landing noise is not disturbing to people.
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[S1] You know, if you're, if you're like many generations older than them. Um, and the founders in the US, they put minimum ages for, uh, political office, but they did not put maximum ages. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] 'Cause they did not expect that people would be living so long, but they should have. Um, 'cause you really want, in order for a democracy to function well, the leaders must be reasonably in touch with the bulk of the population. And if you're too young or too old, it's, you can't say that you would be in touch.
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[S1] maintain, uh, health for a longer period of, period of time. Um, but I'm not afraid of dying. I think it will come as a relief. So... [S2] Although you may not be able to see the vision of SpaceX come true in your life. [S1] Well, I'd like to live long enough to see that.
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[S1] Um, so, but we were able to just barely raise enough money to squeak by, um, and close the financing round for Tesla on the last hour of the last day that it was possible in Christmas Eve, 2008. And if we'd not closed that financing round, then it would have gone bankrupt two days after Christmas. [S2] So you know what you're talking about. [S1] Yes. [S2] This John Law, uh, got- [S1] I'm not talking about bankrupt. Fine, whatever. I don't care.
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[S1] John Law got famous with a sentence, uh, "L'économie, c'est moi. The economy is me." [S2] Is this guy French or English? [S1] So- [S2] Scottish, he said. [S1] Yeah, but the sentence- [S2] He had a lack of, lack of, lack of- [S1] He, he- [S2] ... to turn a phrase in French or something? [S1] He, he- [S2] [LAUGHS]
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[S1] Uh, well, the, you know, I, the, like I said, it's a big struggle to give away money effectively. [S2] Yeah. [S1] Uh, if you care about, like I said, if you care about the reality of doing good and not the perception of doing good, then it is very hard to give away money effectively. And I care about the, the reality. Perception be damned. Um,
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[S1] Think about it. If you Google Elon Musk, I think you have 156 million search results. [S2] Really? [S1] 76 million Twitter followers. You're definitely one of the most popular people on earth. Is popularity a pleasure or a liability for you?
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[S1] It reminds me a bit of, uh, the former Chancellor of Germany, Helmut Kohl, who once, uh, told me, "You cannot imagine how terrible it is to go to a restaurant and everybody recognizes you, comes to your table- [S2] Yeah. [S1] ... ask you for an autograph. That's terrible." There is only one thing in life that is worse, if nobody comes to your table anymore. [S2] [LAUGHS] I suppose so. Well, I would, uh, pr- I, I, I really, uh, it's hard for me to go to a restaurant. Um, so, um,
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[S1] mind, and then, uh, getting Starship to work, not just to get to orbit, but to achieve full and rapid reusability, which is really the holy grail of rocketry that is necessary for humanity to become a multi-planet species. [S2] Is there anything that you would- [S1] I think those things might happen this year. [S2] Is there anything that you really would like to achieve, which you think is going to be impossible? [S1] [SIGHS] Um,
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[S1] Impossible is a strong word, but... [S2] You don't like that word. [S1] Well, it's just a, it's a strong word. I, I mean, I sort of approach things from a physics standpoint and, uh, the, the word impossible is, you know, more or less banned in physics. Um, so, um, I'm really worried about this birth rate thing. That's been troubling me for many years. Um,
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[S1] Because I just don't see it turning around. You know, I, every year it's worse. And, uh, I drive my friends crazy by- [S2] Perhaps that's a project for your foundation. [S1] Sure. [S2] Okay. You are a multi-talent person. Is there any field of total incompetence? [S1] I'm terrible at dancing. [S2] Although you like techno music so much. [S1] Yeah, but the nice thing about techno is you can, you don't have to be able to dance very well. You can just jump around, basically.
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[S1] I think Frank, I think Ben Franklin would be the most fun at dinner. [S2] And who is the one where you would say, "I'm closest to him?" Would it be Leonardo Da Vinci? [S1] I think I'm, uh- [S2] You are a Renaissance man, no? [S1] ... pretty, pretty different from all those people, you know, everyone there. Um, it might actually be Ben Franklin, frankly. Uh, you know, he, he did a lot of science and engineering stuff. Um, I, I don't know. Uh,
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[S1] Uh, the German author Thomas Mann once, uh, said, uh, the purpose of life, to be an engineer in the interest of progress of mankind. [S2] Sure. [S1] Is that a good definition for your own ambitions? [S2] Yeah, I think that is a good definition. [S1] Is freedom for you the most important value of a society? [S2] No, I think not being dead is... [LAUGHS] I mean, like, like... [S1] Well, but that... [S2] No, you got the idea. [S1] What, what would that do with a society if everybody just cares about that?
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[S1] Well, I think, uh, freedom took, was severely restricted, uh, with, with, with COVID. [S2] Do you think it's a long-term effect, or do, do you think we are going back to old, uh, norms? [S1] Well, the jury's out on that front, you know. [S2] Are you worried? [S1] Yeah, I think the, the... I think, I think we should...
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[S1] Yes, I, I think, uh, direct democracy is less susceptible to corruption than representative democracy. Um, I mean, the other recommendations that I'd like, I'd say, like, and any laws need to be short enough that the, everyone can read them. [S2] [LAUGHS] [S1] [LAUGHS] As well. Um, and, and there should be some, uh, uh, it should be easier to get rid of a law than make one. [S2] Do you see any positive effects in the COVID pandemic?
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[S1] I think there were many, many silver linings. Um, the, uh, advancement of, uh, synthetic RNA, uh, was accelerated significantly because of COVID. [S2] And it's going to help with cancer, allergies, bacteria. [S1] Yeah. [S2] Diseases. [S1] Yeah.
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[S1] Yes. I mean, synthetic RNA is revolution in medicine that, uh, most people are not aware of just how much of a revolution that is. I would say this is like medicine going from analog to digital. [S2] And, and that could be the big accelerator here, uh, like, uh, during the plague, uh, which also was an accelerator of, uh- [S1] Yeah. [S2] ... progress in society and medical progress big times.
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[S1] Um, yes. Uh, it's actually interesting. You know, English was, was suppressed in England for quite a long time because William the Conqueror was, uh, Norman French. I mean, so it wasn't even French French. It was like a different version of French. [S2] Yeah. [S1] But that was the official language. And the courts were only in French. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] For hundreds of years in England. If you wanted to go to court, you had to, you had to either be able to speak Norman French or,
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[S1] hire someone who could, um, or, and, and then actually the plague got so bad that so many lawyers died in the plague- [S2] They had to change that. [S1] ... that they didn't have enough people who could speak French, uh, for the court. So they said they, okay, we have to have the courts in English because there aren't enough people alive who can speak Nord French. [S2] So indirectly the plague was a trigger of democratization of society.
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[S1] And, and a lot of other things were improved. Um, th- th- there was a, a labor shortage, uh, because of the plague. [S2] Yeah. [S1] And so, uh, that, that gave, put a lot more power in, in the hands of, uh, laborers. Um, so, and, and gave them more freedom of action. Um, so. [S2] Elon, I think we have to come to an end, but just a, a couple of very brief questions. What is your biggest fear?
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[S1] I mean, most people- [S2] A lot of people are happy if they are alone. [S1] I don't, I, I really, that's, uh, I think most people are not happy being alone. Um- [S2] Do you, do, would you, are you, do you feel lonely?
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[S1] I suppose I'm medium happy. [S2] [LAUGHS] [S1] There are degrees of happiness. [S2] Can love for projects, for work, compensate love among people? [S1] I think love of work, in my experience, can at best make one halfway happy. [S2] Perhaps that's your biggest hope, to be really in love.
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[S1] So, in just a few minutes, um, Elon Musk will be joining us here live on stage for a conversation. Uh, rumor has it there are a few things to talk about with him. [S2] [LAUGHS] [S1] Um, we, we, we will see. But, um, before that, I just want to show you something special.
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[S1] It's making a system that churns out huge numbers of electric cars with a margin so that they can fund further growth. When I was there, um, none of us knew whether Elon would actually be able to make it here today, so I took the chance to sit down with him and record an epic interview. [S2] [LAUGHS] [S1] And I just want to show you a nine, an eight minute excerpt of that interview. So here from Austin, Texas, Elon Musk.
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[S1] I want us to switch now to think a bit about artificial intelligence. I, I'm curious about- [S2] Yeah. [S1] ... your timelines and how you predict and how come some things are so amazingly on the money and some aren't? So, when it comes to predicting sales of Tesla vehicles, for example, I mean, you've kind of been amazing. I think in 2014, when Tesla had sold, that year, 60,000 cars, you said, "2020, I think we will do half a million a year." [S2] Yeah, we did almost exactly half a million.
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[S1] Five years ago, last time you came today, we, um, I asked you about full self-driving and, um, you said, "Yep, this very year." [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] Where I am confident that we will have a car going from LA to New York, uh, without any intervention. [S2] Yeah, I, I, I don't want to blow your mind, but I'm not always right. [S1] [LAUGHS] [S2] Um... [S1] So talk, talk, what's the difference between those two? Why, why, why has full self-driving in particular been so hard to predict?
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[S1] It goes, it goes up sort of a, you know, sort of a fairly straight way and then it starts tailing off and, and, and, and you start- [S2] And there's a kind of ocean of- [S1] ... getting diminishing returns. You know, in retrospect, they seem obvious, but, uh, in, in order to solve, uh, full self-driving, uh, properly, you actually just, you have to solve real-world AI.
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[S1] Probably the most important product development going on at Tesla this year is this robot Optimus. [S2] Yes. [S1] Is it something that happened in the development of full self-driving that gave you the confidence to say, "You know what? We could do something special here."
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[S1] Um, but so, so talk about, I mean, I, I think the first applications you, you've mentioned are probably going to be manufacturing, but eventually the vision is to, to have these available for people at home. [S2] Right. [S1] If you had a robot that really understood the 3D architecture of your house and knew where every object in that house
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[S1] was or was supposed to be and could recognize all those objects. I mean, that, that's kind of amazing, isn't it? Like, like that, the kind of thing that you could ask a robot to do would be what? Like, tidy up. [S2] Yeah, um, absolutely. [S1] [LAUGHS] Or- [S2] Make, make dinner, I guess, move along. [S1] Take, take a cup of tea to grandma and show her family pictures and- [S2] Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, exactly. Take care of my grandmother and make sure, yeah, exactly.
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[S1] When it could recognize, obviously recognize everyone in the home. [S2] Yeah. [S1] Could play catch with your kids.
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[S1] I mean, how much of a buddy, do you, like, do you, do you, how, how many applications do you thought is there? You know, can you have a romantic partner, a sex partner? [S2] I mean- [S1] A lot of learning- [S2] ... probably inevitable. I mean, I did promise the internet that I'd make cat girls, we, we could make a robot cat girl. [S1] [LAUGHS] [S2] I mean, I mean, I- [S1] Be careful when you promise the internet, you know? [LAUGHS] [S2] Yeah, um, so, yeah, I, I guess, uh, it'll be what, what, whatever people want, really, you know, so. [S1] What, what sort of timeline should we be,
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[S1] 2000 or so. So we'll, it's, it's not like it, it, it's definitely not, not from the standpoint of letting you figure out how to monopolize or maximize my ownership of Twitter. Uh, but we'll try to bring along as many shoulders as we- [S2] Right. [S1] ... as we're allowed to. [S2] You don't necessarily want to pay out 40, whatever it is, billion dollars in cash. You, you'd like them to come, come with you in, in, in-
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[S1] Right. [S2] Rules. [S1] So, so, so you can't incite people to violence. Like the, the, the, the, like a di- a direct incitement to violence. You know, you can't do the equivalent of crying fire in a, in a movie theater, for example. [S2] No, that would be a crime. [S1] Yeah, right. [S2] I pretty, it should be a crime. It's- [S1] But, but here's, here's the challenge is, is that it's, it's such a nuanced difference between different things. So,
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[S1] There's, [CLEARS THROAT] there's incitement to violence. [S2] Yeah. [S1] That's a no if it's illegal. Um, there's hate speech, which some forms of hate speech are fine. You know, I hate spinach. Um, y- [S2] I mean, if it's, uh, sauteed in a, you know, cream sauce, it'd be quite nice. [S1] It, it,
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[S1] But so, so, but the problem is, so, so, so let's say someone says, okay, here's one tweet, "I hate Politician X." [S2] Yeah. [S1] Next tweet is, "I wish Politine- Politician X wasn't alive," as we, some of us have said about Putin right now, for example. So that's legitimate speech. Another tweet is, "I wish Politician X wasn't alive," with a picture of their head with a gun sight o- over it, or that plus their address. I mean, at some point,
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[S1] unclear who's making what changes to who, to, to where, uh, having tweets sort of mysteriously be promoted and demoted with no insight into what's going on. Uh, having a black box algorithm, uh, promote some things and other, not, not other things, I think this can be quite dangerous. [S2] So, so, so the idea of opening the algorithm is, is a huge deal and I think many people would- [S1] Yeah. [S2] ... would welcome that, of, of understanding exactly how it's making the decision. [S1] And, and crit- critique it.
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[S1] Well, certainly the- [S2] We might have that at Twitter. [S1] The, the, if, if you commit to opening up the algorithm, that, that definitely gives some level of confidence. Um, talk about, talk about some of the other changes that you proposed. So you, you, the edit button, that's, that's definitely coming. If you, if you have your way. [S2] Yes. [S1] Yeah. And how do you, how do you- [S2] I mean, I, I think, I mean, one, frankly, um,
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[S1] I mean, but, but you've, so, so help, help us understand how, how it is you've built this incredible, um, following on Twitter yourself when, I mean, some of the people who, who love you the most look at some of what you tweet and they, they, it, they think it's somewhere between, um, embarrassing and crazy. Some of it's amazing. [S2] I mean, it is a little, yeah. [S1] [LAUGHS] But, but, but, but it's, is that, is that actually why it's worked or why, why, why is it worked?
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[S1] I mean, I don't know. I mean, I, I, I'm, you know, tweeting more or less stream of consciousness, you know? It's not like, let me think about some grand plan about my Twitter or whatever, you know? I'm like, literally, you know, on the toilet or something, I'm like, "Oh, this is funny," and then tweet that out, you know? [S2] [LAUGHS] [S1] That's, that's, that, that, that's like most of them. [LAUGHS] You know, over-sharing. [S2] [LAUGHS] But, um, but you are obsessed with getting the most out of every minute of your day, and so, why not?
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[S1] This is saying something. So, you know, this was affecting our ability to hire people. It was affecting our ability to sell cars. Um, it was, uh, they were, yeah, it was terrible. Um, th- th- th- yeah. Th- they wanted Tesla to die so bad they could taste it. [S2] Well, most of them have paid the price. [S1] Yes. How th- where are they now? [S2] [LAUGHS] Um,
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[S1] Aren't you encouraged by people just, just to edit that in, that, you know, temptation out and, uh, go with the, the bigger story? [S2] Um, well, I mean, I'm, I would say like, you know, I'm, I'm somewhat of a mixed bag, you know? I mean... [S1] Well, you're, you're a fighter and you, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't like to lose and, and you, you, you are determined that you don't, basically. I,
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[S1] Do you mean like a career decision or something? [S2] Just any decision over the last few years, like your decision to invest in Twitter in the first place or your, uh, anything. [S1] Um, I mean the, the worst business decision I ever made was, um, not starting Tesla with just J.B. Straubel. By far the worst de- decision I've ever made is, is not just starting Tesla with J.B. That, that, that, that's number one by far.
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[S1] Breathtaking, basically. [S2] Yeah. [S1] And, and, and, um, yeah, so, so, so your vision is to commit Tesla to try to deliver on a meaningful percentage of what is needed. [S2] Yeah. [S1] And what, and call on others to do the rest. [S2] Yeah. [S1] This is what, this is a task for humanity to massively scale up our response to change, change the energy grid.
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