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bilibili_data_1650386044_BV1cK411x7Yh_BV1cK411x7Yh_m4-dialogue_0481760 | [S1] in, absent civilization. Um, you, you know, if, if civilization collapses, it's all over. Um, you know, there's like people who've got like these sort of, um, bunkers in- [S2] [LAUGHS] [S1] ... like other countries or- [S2] [LAUGHS] Yeah. [S1] ... Hawaii or whatever. Um, and I'm like, listen, do you really think that you, you're gonna make it in, in an apocalyptic situation? Um, | 24.64 | 3.268756 | 24,000 | audio/en/bilibili_data_1650386044_BV1cK411x7Yh_BV1cK411x7Yh_m4-dialogue_0481760.mp3 | [
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bilibili_data_1650386044_BV1cQ4y1j7hZ_BV1cQ4y1j7hZ_m4-dialogue_0790332 | [S1] Hello, Herbert. I can't believe I'm back on so soon after we just made the video about Aloha, which also was sort of breaking news. Uh, and, you know, once again, you've kind of caught me on, on the move here. I'm in, uh, Snowy Zermatt, uh, in, in Switzerland. And, you know, last night when I, I went to bed, there was no news, everything was fine. [S2] [LAUGHS] [S1] But I could hear my phone making some notifications, and then when I get up, I saw the original post from, from Brett saying that, | 26.84 | 3.285477 | 24,000 | audio/en/bilibili_data_1650386044_BV1cQ4y1j7hZ_BV1cQ4y1j7hZ_m4-dialogue_0790332.mp3 | [
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bilibili_data_1650386044_BV1cQ4y1j7hZ_BV1cQ4y1j7hZ_m4-dialogue_0790345 | [S1] You know, I guess the, the, the whole point of what we're trying to point out here, [LAUGHS] the whole point is that there's three things we've been saying. Every time we do one of these videos, we tell people, you gotta look at the brain, which is the AI. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] You gotta look at the hand dexterity, and you gotta look at the humanoid form and its ability to walk. [S2] [LAUGHS] [S1] And you can see- | 18.68 | 3.210594 | 24,000 | audio/en/bilibili_data_1650386044_BV1cQ4y1j7hZ_BV1cQ4y1j7hZ_m4-dialogue_0790345.mp3 | [
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