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"ethical honey doesn't exist. beekeepers get their bees from factory farms. the bees are shipped to them. these bees are diseased because they're farmed in close quarters. then these bees spread their diseases to wildflowers and that's why wild bees are dying and the ecosystems around them die off. on top of that, be... |
"If raw fish incorporated into your current plant based diet made you feel completely reborn and amazing, would you keep eating fish? Reason being is because this is most likely what almost all vegans should feel after a few days on raw or cooked fish.", |
"Hi this is my first time posting.\\n\\nSo vegans, what do you suggest for people who cannot be vegan or even plant based for medical reasons.\\n\\nI myself cannot even be pescatarian for medical reasons which I'm not comfortable sharing online but I will say I did try to be vegan I ended up in hospital because my bo... |
"As much as cooking for yourself may not be a problem, how do you guys deal with travelling? Isn't exploring new tastes a great part of it? I just can't imagine what you'd eat in a \\"regular\\" or \\"traditional\\" restaurant in a new country, you'd have to just find some veg*n ones instead? I got to think about thi... |
"One day, my family was at a diner. My brother ordered a burger bit didn't finish it. My dad, vegan, decides to finish the burger because you can't unorder it. Was that ethical?", |
"If I buy 20 chicks and put them in a large enclosure with a coop, food and water and treat them well then there is nothing unethical about that.\\n\\n​\\n\\nCommon arguments:\\n\\n\\\\> It\\u2019s an intrinsically exploitative relationship and they were bred to lay more eggs than what\\u2019s natural and as a... |
"I'm interested in the health aspect of veganism. However, all health studies I have looked at classify a vegan diet as consuming x amount/times of animal products per week/month, but this x is greater than 0. Do you know any study which looks at strict vegans?", |
"There are a lot of testimonies there of people who\\u2019s (especially mental) health increased drastically. Did they just do something wrong or is it possible the science is missing something essential?\\n\\nEdit: typo in title; it\\u2019s r/exvegans of course\\u2026", |
"There is a boatload of evidence, research, and studies pointing out that meat consumption is linked to diabetes, heart disease, cancer, obesity, etc. A lot of meat eaters will claim that it\\u2019s because vegans don\\u2019t smoke or drink, but most of the studies factor out this and compare meat eaters who don\\u20... |
"Title pretty much says it all. A lot of people like to say that meat comes from animals who have been slaughtered, which is obviously one of the main reasons why they don't eat it. But think about this: is there a difference if the animal died of natural causes such as old age, and WASN'T killed? Because if you thin... |
"To vegans. If your argument that we should all be vegans because 'humans are not designed to be meat eaters' (I have heard this in my personal circle, though whether this is reflective of the majority of vegans, I don't know) But if you do use that argument, I would like to point out the flaw in this argument. (The ... |
"The Vegan Societies' definition has served as a decent tool but at some point we're going to need clarity, accuracy and consistency. We should evolve the definition into something that conveys true Vegan values and is more philosophically defendable.\\n\\nIssue 1: Many food crops rely on bee pollination for successf... |
"I know being a vegan is an ethical choice not to want to hurt animals anymore, or at least as less as possible. But what's the overall opinion about the environment? Is a vegan diet overall being better for the environment just an extra of being vegan? \\n\\nI can find myself in the ethical and health part of a vega... |
"Animal rights is inherently opposed to many important conservation strategies. Namely the killing of invasive species, captive breeding, and sustainable use. The killing of invasive species via trapping, trapping and poisoning causes pain to animals, and many animal rights activists oppose it for this reason. They t... |
"Hey guys, recently picked up a vegan lifestyle and had a question. If you, in the more than likely impossible scenario, were forced to choose between killing a random human or a random cow, would the \\"vegan\\" answer be a coin toss to see who dies? From what I have understood, veganism is attempting to minimize an... |
"I'm not vegan but I love animals and have the utmost respect for those who choose the vegan lifestyle. I'm curious to hear thoughts from those who are vegan/vegetarian on working in fast food or restaurant service. \\nWould you work for a restaurant/food joint that's main courses are meat? Would a hostess job be les... |
"For background, I'm currently an aspiring vegan (I 100% agree with the philosophy but have failed purely due to my lack of self control). \\n\\nI often hear first or second hand about people who tried a vegan diet and it either made them feel worse or supposedly caused some type of illness. How do you respond to the... |
"First off, let me say a great big thanks to the general population of this subreddit. I've been lurking all day and worked my way through some really interesting threads. \\nIt's refreshing to see reasoned, adult debate with considerate language being used by most - unfortunately on both sides of the fence there's p... |
"As a non-vegan, I never understood this. Why do you feel empathy to these animals? They are not humans.", |
"I\\u2019m curious to how vegans feel and would respond to someone like MP. A person with a severe autoimmune disorder in there younger years that had a catastrophic affect on her day to day life. After consuming a purely carnivore diet all the symptoms went away and had an unprecedented effect on her health and well... |
"So, I get killing animals and eating meat. I get milk and cow exploitation. But I seriously just don't understand how harvesting honey in a sustainable way is a morally wrong act. Yes, we're \\"profiting off the labor of those insects\\" but we people profit off the labor of other people too, and nobody seems to car... |
"I am plant-based. I was just reading through the r/vegan page links and was reading the link about honey. It more or less says it\\u2019s up to the individual vegan to decide where they land on the topic. \\n\\nSo, vegans, where do you land? Currently I consume honey but I think it would be easy enough to cut out if... |
"Let me preface by saying that I've been a vegetarian for three years, and I've been entirely plant based for a few months now. In terms of health, environmentalism, economics, and politics, I am completely on board with veganism and I think everyone (at least in modern developed areas where it is feasible) should ad... |
"Hey everyone, i'm vegan btw and if I have any of my data wrong or you'd like to add anything, please do!\\n\\nThought i'd share data about the \\"But bison tho\\" claim that I see every now and then, it often goes like this: \\n\\n>**But we had billions of bison many years ago and they weren't causing climate change... |
"Not vegan, but interested in this angle. My wife wasn't able to breastfeed our two daughters and so we used formula. It literally saved their lives. I know in days gone by there would have been wet nurses to turn to, but not these days; we have modern food technology to thank. Anyone else come across this in a vegan... |
"I know this opinion is going to be really controversial but it\\u2019s something I strongly believe in. Lab Grown meat is on the rise and once it becomes mainstream they should ban the animal agricultural industry. The meat industry has had too many horrible consequences. It\\u2019s the number one contributor to cli... |
"For years I had a genuine question of why it's okay for animals but not human to eat other animals, but I didn't care enough to think it through. From a quick search this issue seems to be resolved or dismissed by the vegan community, in somewhat unanimity.\\n\\nThe gist of the argument is that animals do many thing... |
"no they don't see we got to the top of the food chain fair and square morality is an illusion and if morality does exist it's more moral kill them because you gave them a purpose give humans meat and you fulfilled that purpose by killing them animals have the privilege of being born with a purpose no I'm not a socio... |
"Hey,\\n\\nI'm considering going pescatarian, maybe as a stepping-stone into vegetarianism.\\n\\nI would like to know if fish can feel the *emotional* part of pain. Virtually every living thing feels pain in some way, but not all feel the emotional part, as in the distress that comes with being sick or injured.\\n\\n... |
"I understand the health and environmental perspective, and the plain fact that thinking about hurting animals instinctively makes me feel bad. But I want to know if there is an objective benefit to making animals happy. Why are we wired to feel bad for their suffering?", |
"In 1991, the U.S. Navy killed thousands of feral goats in (San Clemente Island)(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Clemente_Island_goat) - one of the Channel Islands off the coast of California - to save three endemic endangered plant species: *Malacothamnus clementinus*, *Castilleja grisea*, *Delphinium kinkiense*. ... |
"Why must we avoid actions that causes death and suffering to animals?", |
"Twenty studies including 37 134 participants met the inclusion criteria. Compared with omnivores, vegetarians and vegans had lower BMD at the femoral neck and lumbar spine and vegans also had higher fracture rates.", |
"Nothing too big here, just a couple of small questions.\\n\\nThere are no natural sources of vitamin B-12 that I can find that do not involve animals, you ether get it from the likes of liver, or you get it from bacteria in the animal body, but you need animals for B-12. Lack of this chemical causes nut-jobs like Y... |
"Wonderful new video from \\"Ask Yourself\\":\\n\\n* https://youtu.be/zuJazFqWgWM", |
"I am originally from Italy, Sardinia (kingdom of Italian Cheese), but I've been living in the US for a while. Getting away from my native place exposed me to the HORRORS of the big scale food industry. \\nI started a journey that brought me back to my homeland, in search of cheese manufacturers that actually cared... |
"I'm a hunter, ask me anything", |
"Hello people who are vegan for different reasons :) , i wanted to ask if you think less of people who eat meat? If so, what do you think of them? If not, how come?", |
"One thing I've been thinking about lately is how I see a lot of vegans around my campus who use phones produced from underage labor, even a few who have been wearing shoes from leather from an animal. Some things that are hard to avoid that you wouldn't even think of, maybe something simple like a lamp, lipstick, or... |
"I know this is not the right sub but not sure where else to post.\\n\\nI seem to be banned. My posts don't show up when I check and logout, and I thought it was odd to not be getting replies.\\n\\nI am vegan, was asking for recipes or contributing to discussions, not sure what the issue is.\\n\\nI messaged the mod t... |
"https://www.reddit.com/r/vegan/comments/rxodyk/veganism_is_fake_news_and_as_a_way_of_life_it/\\n\\nPost below to r/vegan\\n\\n>Veganism has not changed in the 30 years since I was one and still the same old stories are regurgitated. Veganism works only on one level, animal deaths and then it should be up to people t... |
"**I have summarised all this at the end under TL;DR**\\n\\nThis is such a confusing topic because I\\u2019ve never heard of actual evidence to support either side (but correct me if I\\u2019m wrong about that). I apologise if I sound ignorant, and for this essay of a post.\\n\\nHere are some of the points I\\u2019ve... |
"Video reference: https://youtu.be/Eug1You8SH0\\n\\nIt seems to me that this conversation is taking place within a much broader, philosophical and theological setting - a setting that makes the topic of veganism almost TOO small or TOO acute to be useful or relevant.\\n\\nHaving watched a fair amount of Ed's content ... |
"I understand you value animal lives. So lets take a dog for example how much more or less value does it have over a human? If it's equal would you save a dog over a human or would it be up to chance?", |
"Been reading that soy is really bad for you. Does the term soy-boy have any truth to it?", |
"I completly agree with veganism but i lost all hope in it\\n\\nI dont see a future where this fucked up system gets any better so why should i even bother?\\n\\nI also have grown extremely apathetic about the living beings that are being slaughtered to the point where i dont care about what or who i am eating\\n\\nI... |
"Vegas, a lot of your arguments are great, but I think it breaks down when it comes to attacking thd \\"Plants are alive too\\" argument. You say that you draw the line at sentient living things. So plants don't count. You do realize how arbitrary this is, right? There's no reason or logic behind it, that's just how ... |
"In a previous post, people discussed epidemiological studies that show a negative association between meat consumption and depression (1). People rightfully pointed out the association could be due to confounding variables. This consensus was reflected in the top comment, questioning the likelihood of there being so... |
"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHzfvM8mXxI", |
"So, I wrote this following a long chain of thought. Would like to know your opinions.(https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vQdwmvnb5DJCEKYV8TukaEj7AIx8BZcZn1FSXOZ6zjEODOALNV3k00lOyfkkthB6uWW5pf8DtrMMhSI/pub)(https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vQdwmvnb5DJCEKYV8TukaEj7AIx8BZcZn1FSXOZ6zjEODOALNV3k00lOyf... |
"So as an non vegan, im curious where does the line of morality begin when it comes to veganism and the supply chain of the production of vegan food. Whether it be through accidental slaughter of living animals through cultivation or transportation.", |
"Oysters or a venus fly trap? Which would you eat if you had to choose one?", |
"I am not a vegetarian. I raise these precious animals myself, and I process them myself, because I know they have had a good, healthy life. They live outside, in the sunshine. They get to play, eat, sleep. They are protected from predators. They are not raised confined to a feed lot, or inside a concrete building. T... |
"First, the difference between introduced and invasive species. Introduced species are non native but cause no harm. Invasive species are non native and cause active harm to an ecosystem.\\n\\nTake Asian carp, for instance. Silver, bighead, grass, and common carp cause harm to ecosystems by decreasing biodiversity, c... |
"Hey guys, I just wanted to submit some of my thoughts about meat eating and the context of veganism, and maybe get some counter-points. For the purpose of this post, I would like to keep factory farming and the American meat industry out of the discussion. That topic is huge and would only distract from what I'm get... |
"I hope this is the right place for this, if not I'll be happy to delete/move this post.\\n\\nMy mother has recently decided to become vegan after being vegetarian for ~40 years. I know that she made this decision primarily for animal welfare reasons, and she no longer drinks milk (she was already avoidant of most an... |
"That's my question. Pests = mice, rats; that will chew through things and poop on your stuff. This is a health hazard.", |
"I've read a lot of vegans on Facebook, Instagram and YouTube and come to the conclusion that the aggressive, ALF supporters maybe bad for veganism as a whole. Sub genres of vegans show up when supermeat is mentioned or when dietary habits of dogs and cats are enquired. Gary Yourofsky's comments on the Nepal earthqua... |
"What's your rebuttal? I am tired at debating. My brain is shutting down and I need help. ", |
"First of all this is a rare situation. But one could conceivably develop a back mounted pistol or long gun perhaps for a war effort. Russians have been known to train dolphins and whales as scouts. Pigeons were used in war and we all know about dogs.\\n\\nOkay, so you're approached by an armed animal. The animal doe... |
"I\\u2019ve seen comments from people saying they won\\u2019t, for example, buy a veg burger from McDonald\\u2019s because they don\\u2019t want to support the company. McDonald\\u2019s almost certainly has an entire team of people - accountants, marketers, etc. - analyzing the profitability, growth potential, etc of... |
"I'm pro-choice on abortion politically because I think the consequences of the ban are worse than the act itself, but I'll admit that it makes me very uncomfortable, and given the choice for myself only, I probably wouldn't go through with it, especially if armed with scientific knowledge that at a certain point it ... |
"I've worked at an organic farm for about a year. The products we use to fertilize our fields all contain animal parts: blood, bones, ground up lobsters, etc. We sell a huge variety of fertilizers that are approved for organic growing in our farmstand and they all contain animal products. So, if we use animal parts t... |
"I say internet because no vegan has said this to me in real life, so I don't mean all vegans.\\n\\nThis seems to come from a single source, a talk from. Dr. Milton Mills in which he cherry picks aninals to make humans match up to an herbivore. Alternatively it will say frugivore instead of herbivore, but the reasoni... |
"While it is understandable that everyone may have some different views within a group, I found myself debating with someone who subscribed to the idea that veganism is a Kingdomist viewpoint.\\n\\nI disagreed by saying that based on arguments, it seems like a vegan would not be in opposition with granting other thin... |
"To be clear, this is **not** an argument against veganism. It is a question related to the marginal cases argument.\\n\\nSuppose a human baby with zero social ties is in a burning house and there is also a cow in a burning barn. You can save only one.\\n\\nThe cow is an herbivore, so no sentient beings will suffer a... |
"Is it to eventually have a majority or everyone become vegan?\\n\\nIs it to minimize harm done to animals?\\n\\nWhat is the big picture is what I'm asking. :)\\n\\nEdit: well everyone, it's been a pleasure discussing with you all, I'm going to bed now but will reply more in the morning, thank you all for your insigh... |
"I have been aquiring the new hobby of arguing with vegans apparently. Since I work in the medical field and have to provide diet recommendations sometimes I read basically every study I can get my hands on and have the time for. \\n\\nI also never argue the ethical point with vegans since I am strictly interested in... |
"take note : not all mutations are bad, it can be good in the means of increasing of survival or getting rid of unwanted feature. \\n\\n\\nFor example humans used to be so hairy (for thermoregulation) and they have wisdom tooth (for cutting raw meat) but in the presence of fire and other innovations we don't need ... |
"(https://www.veganlifemag.com/diamond-mining/)(https://www.veganlifemag.com/diamond-mining/)\\n\\n \\nHumans want shiny things so the earth is destroyed, yes i know that we desire fancy cars and pretty houses or brand name clothes but those things have secondary values, we drive them, live in them or wear them \\n... |
"Is it just as bad to kill an ant as it is a cow?", |
"I'm not a vegan or vegetarian, and I doubt I ever will be, because I'm extremely selfish and lazy, and I love the taste of meat and animal products too much. But there's no logical way to disagree with anything they say. Animals are innocent, sentient beings. And when you pay for meat and animal products, you are pa... |
"I'm from a country where eating insects in something normal and socially acceptable. Is eating insects bad for vegans? I saw a post about eating clams and muscles and most of you seem to think it's alright because they aren't sentient. What about bugs, like crickets or ants? ", |
"First let me start off with: I am not here to fight. You have my full and total respect for the vegan life choices. \\n\\nI consider myself as a non vegan that tries everything I can to source my animal products ethically. I only eat meat twice a week, which I buy from a free range farm where the cows are slaughtere... |
"Is it wrong to eat meat?", |
"Animals being equalized with humans and humans being categorized as in the animal kingdom happens daily in the vegan community. \\n\\nVeganism often compares animal suffering to human suffering and environmental suffering. \\n\\nWe all know that porn traffics and abuses men, women and children every single day in ho... |
"What are we to do for animals that literally cannot be vegan. Like Dogs, and Cats? They are incapable of survival based on plants alone. Sorry my question is so short. I am not the most eloquent fellow.", |
"Sounds stupid but I have a rather important question and the crux of the argument relies on vegans not eating snails.\\n\\nIn the end vegans (who choose not to eat/use animal based products because of their disagreement with harming animals) will still eat a salad. \\nThis salad could be made from leaves which have... |
"Why should we support veganism when there are ways where exploiting and being cruel to animals can be for their own good or where doing something that's not vegan is going to help out animals more than being vegan?\\n\\nI can list multiple ways\\n\\n* rewilding livestock back to their untarnished forms\\n* animal sa... |
"So I live a rural part of Louisiana and as most here can guess there ain\\u2019t many vegans were I live so most of the locals hunt, fish and grow gardens. I don\\u2019t personally hunt but I do enjoy fishing just hanging out with a buddy or my father and we drink and have fun and if we don\\u2019t catch something o... |
"Why do we never see stories and articles on successful vegans aka the majority vegans who eat a whole food plant based diet but keep getting news on fruitarians who starve themselves with fruits and few raw veggies?", |
"I was reading an article about an individual who decided to try out the diet and workout regimen that Duane \\"The Rock\\" Johnson follows daily. Essentially it's about 10lbs of food a day at around 5000 calories, and about a quarter of weight in food alone comes from fish. The rest is eggs, steak, chicken, fruits a... |
"Insects, arachnids and crustaceans are all, arguably, sentient beings. But they are killed intentionally all the time, I suspect, even by vegans. Swatting flies and killing cockroaches. Yet these same vegans believe it is cruel to eat shrimp, keep scorpions as pets or in a zoo, or perform beekeeping. Unlike flies or... |
"I mean, it's not like I personally go to a field pick out a juicy cow and say yeah I'll have you for steak tonight please. I would go to a restaurant where the cow had already been killed and prepared, it's going to get eaten whether that's me or somebody else. The same with animal products in supermarkets, they wil... |
"Lets say you have two two different 10-acre plots of land, A and B. Assume you have unlimited clean water and the soil is nutrient rich.\\n\\nPlot A is set up as an annual crop rotation, with sub-plots for fruit, legumes, ancient grains, and vegetables. Basically, grow as many food-bearing plants as you can get away... |
"I\\u2019m trending that way. I love all life and am also trying to become a better person. \\nAll that said, I have a question for you all. It\\u2019s kinda different I think.\\nHere goes, \\nI was just reading the ingredients for a stick of I can\\u2019t believe it\\u2019s not butter. It says it\\u2019s vegan frien... |
"1. Every post against veganism is downvoted. Ive browsed many small and large subreddits, but this is the only one where every post discussing the intended topic is downvoted. \\n\\nWriting a post is generally more effort than writing a reply, this subreddit even has other rules like the poster being obligated to re... |
"So let's say that 80% of people stop eating meat. What happens when the meat industry lays off huge swaths of the workforce? Can the economy handle that many people leaving the workforce? Is an animal's well-being worth more than the families of people who work in the meat industry? We've seen what happens when indu... |
"One of the most common arguments on any r/futurology post about anything related to animal agriculture is: farmed animals, such as cows, pigs, or chickens, will go entirely extinct if we become a vegan world.\\n\\nFirst of all, let\\u2019s just start with that idea being true. What is the problem with them going ext... |
"I'm a dietary vegan and working on other aspects.\\n\\nI've learned a lot of hand soaps have animal products. I was at my mom's house over the household and she had honey in one soap and silk in another. Plus there are others with lots of animal byproducts, or traditional soap has animal fat.\\n\\nDo you guys bring ... |
"This is from my experience apparently a really hot take among some people. \\n\\nCross-contamination should not be a concern for vegans, but apparently it is. Vegan chicken nuggets fried with the same oil used for actual chicken is apparently a vegan sin - despite the oil being vegan, and consuming those nuggets hav... |
"I submit the following points:\\n\\n* Gastronomy is a mental health issue. \\n* American Gastronomy has been systematically ruined.\\n* Poverty is an assault on mental and physical health.\\n* Consumers are not morally responsible for the behavior of land owners and \\"voting with your dollar\\" is a Capitalist frau... |
"I\\u2019ve been reducing my meat intake for a few years but whenever I try to cut it out entirely I feel horrible. Basically chronic fatigue symptoms. I\\u2019ve read recently that in the us 60% of organ meat is wasted compared to 10% of normal meat. Eating this seem like it would contribute significantly less to an... |
"This is a question I've wanted to ask vegans, esp the ones who believe that \\"carnists are stupid/brainwashed/etc\\", \\"veganism is the absolute truth\\" or \\"if you value humans and not animals your morality is inconsistent\\". Why do you think that majority of philosophers/ethicists are non-vegan and hold that... |
"Generally, vegans say that it's not that animals are equal to humans, it's just that they have enough value such that killing them unnecessarily is unjustified. But how can this be the case?\\n\\n>**P1.** Infants and the intellectually disabled (so-called \\"marginal cases\\") are equal in moral value to all other h... |
"To me this doesn't seem unethical, but I'm curious what people here would have to say. Seems like a waste to let a full grown cow die and not be used for food after it has grazed on a farm for years.", |
"Vegans should be antinatalists to be consistent with their ethics.\\n\\n### The Asymmetry\\n\\n> (C1) If a potential person will likely live a life of severe suffering, then we would think that it is unethical to create that person. (C2) However, we wouldn't think it is unethical not to create a person who would liv... |
"I'm genuinely asking and not looking for a fight!\\n\\nMy mom recently got a few chickens, she raises them in her yard, they have a pretty good life, she only has females and has zero intent of killing them and just let's them do their thing. Sometimes they lay eggs (unfertelized of course) \\n\\nAnd I am not comple... |
"For context, I have a very low-meat diet and eat vegetarian probably 90% of the time. I am constantly questioning my dietary choices and which is the best balance of sound nutrition and low environmental impact.\\n\\nIf I do buy meat, I try to buy grass-fed, local and organic and see little issue with this (environm... |
"I tried cutting out animal products, and I ate VERY healthily. I had an app to make sure I was getting the proper amount of everything, from calories to nutrients. That being said, I still ended up just plain not feeling well. I lacked energy, had brain fog, was nauseous, and I got sick much more often. After a coup... |
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