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True | cdsmith | null | If you think Google is going to intentionally make the user experience on google.com worse for non-Chrome users, you're wrong. They make their money from people using google.com. They make approximately $0 for every new Chrome user. If you're the paranoid sort that can't believe Google is trying to be ethical, fine... but it makes no sense to speculate that they would make their bread-and-butter services worse in order to encourage adoption of the project they give away for free.
There are, of course, literally thousands of web development projects going on inside Google. They have different browser-compatibility requirements, ranging from google.com (better work damned well everywhere) all the way to Chrome extensions or Chrome OS oriented services that aren't intended for anyone who isn't already using a Google environment. | null | 0 | 1315777360 | False | 0 | c2j4u6k | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j4u6k | t1_c2j43mx | null | 1427587342 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | Something does have to come along and replace JavaScript unless some serious work goes into JS to improve it rather than relying on others to fix its problems (ie the fact a framework is virtually required to use JS) and some sort of enforcement is put in place to stop companies from having their own version of JS or a half implementation.
If they can't resolve these things then it should be replaced. Just because a lot of people know JS is not a good enough reason to accept its problems. | null | 0 | 1315777376 | False | 0 | c2j4u8y | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j4u8y | t1_c2j43is | null | 1427587343 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | pivo | null | The keyboards in use when Emacs was written had Ctrl keys in about the same position that the caps lock key occupies on PC keyboards. It's easier to just swap Ctrl and Caps Lock keys. | null | 0 | 1315777391 | False | 0 | c2j4ube | t3_kbz68 | null | t1_c2j4ube | t1_c2j4bwq | null | 1427587352 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | 43v3r | null | Except ActiveX only runs on one platform a closed proprietary platform and I do believe nothing is open or standardized. | null | 0 | 1315777406 | False | 0 | c2j4udp | t3_kawp5 | null | t1_c2j4udp | t1_c2j3r18 | null | 1427587345 | 10 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | MarshallBanana | null | What Microsoft has been doing in IE is mostly trying to catch up with current standards. | null | 0 | 1315777415 | False | 0 | c2j4uf9 | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j4uf9 | t1_c2j4tgj | null | 1427587345 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1315777419 | False | 0 | c2j4ufw | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j4ufw | t1_c2j4oc3 | null | 1427587345 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | gschizas | null | When you are not paying, you are the product. | null | 0 | 1315777465 | False | 0 | c2j4uma | t3_kawp5 | null | t1_c2j4uma | t1_c2j3vmp | null | 1427587347 | 25 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | ElSherberto | null | >I'd much rather have a new bytecode VM embedded in the browser.
This is sort of what Google is doing with [Native Client](http://code.google.com/chrome/nativeclient/). It's different than specifically what you described because it runs native code, not bytecode. It allows you to write code in any GCC language, provided the language has a modified GCC compiler that can generate machine code for Native Client. I think it only works with C/C++ right now but if it catches on I'm sure more languages will follow. | null | 0 | 1315777479 | False | 0 | c2j4uo5 | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j4uo5 | t1_c2j4hjd | null | 1427587347 | 24 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Paradox | null | Last year, I tried to make the switch, tried for a good month, but couldn't do it. Vim is just too damn good | null | 0 | 1315777480 | False | 0 | c2j4uo9 | t3_kbz68 | null | t1_c2j4uo9 | t1_c2j4u5a | null | 1427587347 | -8 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | bramblerose | null | And non-gettext based translations. It's easy enough to write a new provider that creates a format practical for your project. For instance, pywikipediabot has a dictionary-based system that can be accessed directly from python. It's language fallback system should be general enough to use anywhere: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/pywikipedia/branches/rewrite/pywikibot/i18n.py?view=markup
Plurals are not yet supported, though. | null | 0 | 1315777500 | False | 0 | c2j4urf | t3_kb5hm | null | t1_c2j4urf | t1_c2j1j07 | null | 1427587347 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | I agree and I wouldn't use it but anything standard (ie a standar virtualised linux environment for Python development) could be moved onto any server. That is the sort of thing companies should be using. | null | 0 | 1315777565 | False | 0 | c2j4v1n | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j4v1n | t1_c2j4m6m | null | 1427587350 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | nascentt | null | Let's hope they don't. I left IE to avoid that crap. | null | 0 | 1315777618 | False | 0 | c2j4v9l | t3_kawp5 | null | t1_c2j4v9l | t1_c2j4ri8 | null | 1427587355 | 13 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | bobindashadows | null | The point of dash, if you read the linked article, is to bring a new language to the web, and hopefully get other vendors to support it. It says so very, very early on: high risk, high reward. The risk is that others do not adopt it. The reward is a satisfactory web programming language with semantics that lend themselves to performance. | null | 0 | 1315777625 | False | 0 | c2j4vaq | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j4vaq | t1_c2j3rna | null | 1427587355 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | littleendian | null | Yes. I think we're all saying the same thing. | null | 0 | 1315777658 | False | 0 | c2j4vfg | t3_kc5di | null | t1_c2j4vfg | t1_c2j4mdx | null | 1427587355 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | zmeefy | null | > Isn't that more or less what Microsoft has been doing with IE or am I missing something?
Precisely. Or what Oracle is doing with Java. That's just marketing rap for proprietary in a world where anything proprietary looks bad. | null | 0 | 1315777706 | False | 0 | c2j4vmr | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j4vmr | t1_c2j4tgj | null | 1427587357 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | bobindashadows | null | It's more fiddly to do most things in Java. Its more fiddly to write hello world in java, and people don't write articles about it; this article is only slightly more sophisticated than hello world. | null | 0 | 1315777726 | False | 0 | c2j4vpp | t3_kc437 | null | t1_c2j4vpp | t1_c2j41ia | null | 1427587358 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1315777735 | False | 0 | c2j4vqx | t3_kawp5 | null | t1_c2j4vqx | t1_c2j4piv | null | 1427587358 | -8 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | nascentt | null | The first hint of this was when I saw Google's Toolbar being pulled from Firefox, their site tells us to upgrade to a more modern browser: Chrome. The toolbar had language translation built in, so automatic translations could be made on the page. Now they say, only Chrome is capable. Funny how that changed. | null | 0 | 1315777763 | False | 0 | c2j4vut | t3_kawp5 | null | t1_c2j4vut | t1_c2iwb68 | null | 1428194459 | 12 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | nascentt | null | The first hint of this was when I saw Google's Toolbar being pulled from Firefox, their site tells us to upgrade to a more modern browser: Chrome. The toolbar had language translation built in, so automatic translations could be made on the page. Now they say, only Chrome is capable. Funny how that changed. | null | 0 | 1315777763 | False | 0 | c2j4vuy | t3_kawp5 | null | t1_c2j4vuy | t1_c2ivucx | null | 1428194459 | 15 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | execute85 | null | And we all know that the best languages were created by CS PHDs. C and Java were written by PHDs, but plenty of other successful languages are PHD-free (I can think of Perl and Python immediately but you can search a bit).
If you were to write a new language, I would actually guess that an army of CS PHDs would make you less likely to succeed. A single smart Hacker working along probably has a better chance. | null | 0 | 1315777810 | False | 0 | c2j4w1p | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j4w1p | t1_c2j4tc5 | null | 1427587360 | -3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1315777840 | False | 0 | c2j4w5w | t3_kawp5 | null | t1_c2j4w5w | t1_c2iyhq9 | null | 1427587363 | -2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | nascentt | null | What open standard did IE release to other browsers? | null | 0 | 1315777863 | False | 0 | c2j4w9c | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j4w9c | t1_c2j4tgj | null | 1427587363 | 6 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | mistralol | null |
There is almost no gain for what we use it for. We would only have to retrain people and rebuild a few other tools as well. | null | 0 | 1315777921 | False | 0 | c2j4wie | t3_kc5di | null | t1_c2j4wie | t1_c2j4kbh | null | 1427587375 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | Fuck you MS. | null | 0 | 1315777937 | False | 0 | c2j4wkz | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j4wkz | t3_kc9ai | null | 1427587366 | -6 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Shaper_pmp | null | Yes. My point is merely that the stated reason for needing to do so that I quoted is bunk.
There's nothing wrong with bringing even more innovation to the web... but where you start offering unsupported and wholly inaccurate characterisations of the state of the web *without* your chosen bit of innovation is where I start disagreeing.
I fully support any new bit of innovation, but I hate being expected to drink kool-aid, especially when it tastes of agenda-driven fearmongering. :-/ | null | 0 | 1315778054 | False | 0 | c2j4x1o | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j4x1o | t1_c2j4rwz | null | 1427587379 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | ElSherberto | null | There is a slim-to-none chance this will ever catch on beyond Google. Because it is created by Google, it's doubtful that Apple or Microsoft will ever adopt it, similar to the situation with WebM. Since the browser market is highly dependent on the choices Microsoft and Apple make, I think it will be hard to get momentum for this technology. | null | 0 | 1315778068 | True | 0 | c2j4x3b | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j4x3b | t1_c2j4sak | null | 1427587377 | -1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | WalterBright | null | Yes, BSD is a popular open source license. So is GPL. Neither meet the open requirements for Phobos.
>why did you not communicate with Tango to solve this issue?
I have talked with Tango devs many times about changing the Tango license so Tango code can be incorporated into Phobos. Many devs did so, and their code is now in Phobos. Some did not, and their code was left out. Their reasons are unknown to me and none of my business. Feel free to ask them, though.
Furthermore, I did not select the license for Tango, nor did I recommend any, nor did Tango involve me in any way when they chose BSD. If they had, I would have not recommended BSD because of its binary attribution clause.
>And you think expecting the Tango developers to relicense all their code and to donate it to Phobos is a good idea?
The BSD license does not meet the requirements for Phobos, neither does the AFL nor the GPL.
>There were others (at least std.loader)
std.loader's license does not include that line, nor do any others.
>Andrei
Andrei is the team leader of Phobos, and he has and is doing an outstanding job. He has set the quality bar very high, and many modules, such as [std.algorithm](http://www.d-programming-language.org/phobos/std_algorithm.html), are innovative industry leaders.
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True | TotempaaltJ | null | There's nothing mysterious about how they make money, as patejam mentioned in the other [reply](http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/kawp5/the_goal_of_the_dash_effort_is_ultimately_to/c2j4a9a) on your comment. | null | 0 | 1315778090 | False | 0 | c2j4x65 | t3_kawp5 | null | t1_c2j4x65 | t1_c2j3vmp | null | 1427587379 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | asegura | null | Yes, but I think we were at last kind of approaching that *one web* lately with HTML5 as a target, and the big browsers finally agreeing on most of it. It is now easier to make rich web applications that work on all browsers than in was 5 years ago (not counting IE<9). This dash seems to come to break this balance.
Not that I don't want improvements. I like drastic changes for the better. But I'm thinking of those developers that needed to write several versions of their webs for compatiblity and will see the story start again. | null | 0 | 1315778154 | True | 0 | c2j4xew | t3_kawp5 | null | t1_c2j4xew | t1_c2j2z73 | null | 1427587382 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | munificent | null | > new standard
This is an oxymoron. If it's new, it's not standard.
> temporary monopoly
If it's temporary, it's not a monopoly. | null | 0 | 1315778221 | False | 0 | c2j4xo7 | t3_kawp5 | null | t1_c2j4xo7 | t1_c2j4vqx | null | 1427587395 | -4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Magnesus | null | They want developers to target Chrome-only not to make Chrome the only browser but to make others implement Dash faster in their browsers. | null | 0 | 1315778265 | False | 0 | c2j4xug | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j4xug | t1_c2j4tk9 | null | 1427587386 | 24 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1315778353 | False | 0 | c2j4y87 | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j4y87 | t1_c2j4qqu | null | 1427587391 | 8 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Magnesus | null | You don't need certificate to use your own key. And if you don't give private key to anyone it's safe. | null | 0 | 1315778374 | False | 0 | c2j4yaz | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j4yaz | t1_c2j4puv | null | 1427587392 | 7 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | harlows_monkeys | null | OK, but I still don't see how that implies starting with 0. Generally when people number things, they start with 1 ("my first child", "my first car", "my first indictment on espionage charges", and so on).
Aside from some uses in set theory, where enumeration can mean exhibiting a one-to-one and onto mapping from a countable set to another set in order to show that the later is countable and the set {0,1,2,...} is commonly used as the countable set, I'm having a hard time finding any support for such a strong statement as "Enumeration starts at 0".
In the rest of mathematics, both numbering from 0 and numbering from 1 are common. Matrix elements, for instance, usually start at 1. If the coefficients of a power series or polynomial are named with an indexed symbol, that index usually does start at 0, so that it matches the power of that term.
What it really comes down to in most areas of mathematics is which starting point makes things look and work better for the particular thing being done.
I'm not saying MbVpRb is wrong--I'm just saying I'd like to see some support for the claim. | null | 0 | 1315778378 | False | 0 | c2j4ybg | t3_kbdgw | null | t1_c2j4ybg | t1_c2j1rr9 | null | 1427587392 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | HeWhoWas | null | So, just to recap:
Dash will have the functionatlity of JavaScript, without a few pitfalls. We would like people to use Dash. | null | 0 | 1315778380 | False | 0 | c2j4ybr | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j4ybr | t1_c2j4tk9 | null | 1427587392 | 153 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | greenwizard88 | null | What? Silverlight came out years before HTML 5. | null | 0 | 1315778385 | False | 0 | c2j4ycf | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j4ycf | t1_c2j4p8v | null | 1427587392 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | horsebees | null | Mathematica's help is easily the most fluid help of any program. If you didn't know a thing about image processing, you could still accomplish the feats described in this blog within hours. | null | 0 | 1315778395 | False | 0 | c2j4ydm | t3_ka5os | null | t1_c2j4ydm | t1_c2j1n8t | null | 1427587392 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | mightylobster | null | Clear your cookies and your cache. | null | 0 | 1315778409 | False | 0 | c2j4yff | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j4yff | t1_c2j4t2o | null | 1427587394 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | five9a2 | null | Umm, it's pulling 600MB resident right now. Granted, I have over 1000 open buffers and haven't restarted in three weeks, but that seems like a normal use case to me. | null | 0 | 1315778455 | False | 0 | c2j4ymw | t3_kbz68 | null | t1_c2j4ymw | t1_c2j44sw | null | 1427587398 | 6 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Magnesus | null | If it's in webkit code of Google all webkit browser will have it in matter of minutes. And Mozilla will want to have it too. Safari and IE are not important. | null | 0 | 1315778476 | False | 0 | c2j4yq3 | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j4yq3 | t1_c2j4x3b | null | 1427587397 | -1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | five9a2 | null | Or `M-x viper-mode` | null | 0 | 1315778513 | False | 0 | c2j4yv2 | t3_kbz68 | null | t1_c2j4yv2 | t1_c2j4s0m | null | 1427587400 | 10 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | therapy | null | > If you think Google is going to intentionally make the user experience on google.com worse for non-Chrome users, you're wrong.
I hope you are right. You seem very certain of this - do you have inside information?
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True | cunningjames | null | > we've already had this battle, and the web won it
Sure, the web won it — *for email clients and discussion media*. Word processing? Text editing? Image editing? Software development? Playing text adventures? Reading books? Managing a music library? Whenever I do any of these things I use a native application. Sure — there are web-based alternatives — but they come up *severely* short with respect to functionality and are, for the most part, relatively niche.
The web *may* win but you’re stretching your case well beyond what it can prove. Gmail and Yahoo have replaced email clients for a lot of people; web forums and sites like Reddit have supplanted usenet. That’s really about it.
Edit:
> [the web is] miles ahead of competing media when it comes to functionality and accessibility
Accessibility I’ll give you (if by “accessibility” you mean something like the independence of a particular computer). But functionality? I simply can’t imagine *anything* with respect to which a web app would be more functional — on my iPhone or on my desktop — than a native app. | null | 0 | 1315778550 | True | 0 | c2j4z0k | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j4z0k | t1_c2j4si3 | null | 1427587400 | 16 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | cl3ft | null | How about a motto of don't be evil. Or do you believe that was a cynical marketing ploy? | null | 0 | 1315778558 | False | 0 | c2j4z1w | t3_kawp5 | null | t1_c2j4z1w | t1_c2j4tr9 | null | 1427587400 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Rad777 | null | anyone who uses the word 'kiddie' to reference a programming language doesn't know left from right | null | 0 | 1315778559 | False | 0 | c2j4z23 | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j4z23 | t1_c2j4joc | null | 1427587400 | 6 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | andybak | null | Javascript has flaws but it's proved remarkably adaptable. Someone managed to slip a dynamic language with first-class functions and closures into a mainstream product into a mainstream product. We are *very* lucky we didn't end up with something closer to VBScript. | null | 0 | 1315778589 | True | 0 | c2j4z6s | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j4z6s | t1_c2j4nav | null | 1427587402 | 8 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | iLiekCaeks | null | >As far as I know LDC and GDC are not really usable, specially for D2 development.
The newer GDC fork should be able to do D2 as well as dmd now. LDC for D2 is still dead-ish.
>But then AFAIK DMD doesn't even implement all of D2 either.
This is true. And where it does implement it, you can expect tons of bugs. | null | 0 | 1315778592 | False | 0 | c2j4z70 | t3_kaxjq | null | t1_c2j4z70 | t1_c2ix2te | null | 1427587402 | 6 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | cdsmith | null | > > the identity function
> This part isn't as clear.
It certainly *is* the identity function on the empty set. The identity function on any set maps any element to itself, as this one trivially does. cgibbard's point was that it's rather fundamentally important that every set -- even the empty set -- has an identity function, and this is it. You seem to be getting at an observation that it is the identity function in a particularly trivial sense. True, but that doesn't change the fact that it *is* the identity function. | null | 0 | 1315778663 | False | 0 | c2j4zi5 | t3_kbgvc | null | t1_c2j4zi5 | t1_c2j1tyr | null | 1427587404 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | therapy | null | I think you are using the term 'proprietary' where 'nonstandardized' would make more sense. But otherwise I see your point in the first part.
Where I disagree is in the rest of it. Mozilla and Opera implemented prototypes of WebGL, and Apple of Canvas. But that was mostly it. Google on the other hand is both implementing a prototype **and** tying it in to the most used websites in existence.
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True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1315778719 | False | 0 | c2j4zqp | t3_kawp5 | null | t1_c2j4zqp | t1_c2j4vut | null | 1427587406 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | Would you really want something like Perl/Python/Ruby/PHP to replace JavaScript? That would be a huge step sideways (if not down) in my mind. None of those languages did *anything* to advance the field. They are pretty much the same language with different syntaxes.
Preferably, something like NaCl would prevail, because nobody is going to design a language that is both dumbed down enough to be successful and good enough to warrant switching from JavaScript. | null | 0 | 1315778731 | False | 0 | c2j4zsp | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j4zsp | t1_c2j4w1p | null | 1427587406 | -1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | therapy | null | It has risks, but look how well it worked for WebGL and the other examples being discussed elsewhere in this thread. | null | 0 | 1315778736 | False | 0 | c2j4ztf | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j4ztf | t1_c2j4q1x | null | 1427587406 | -2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Shaper_pmp | null | True, dat. I have a great deal of respect for expertise, but I've noticed in myself and others that as expertise grows, so typically does the desire to get everything right first time. I think of it as akin to [writer's block](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Writer%27s_block), where the better you know you are, the higher a standard you hold yourself and your work to, until it's almost impossible to produce anything you feel is up to your standard in any reasonable timeframe, and projects end up spiralling in complexity and scope until everything becomes a million-line coding odyssey that not only does the original job, but also displays your e-mail, makes tea and gives free blow-jobs.
This tends to lead to an [architecture astronaut](http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000018.html) style of design where you try to solve the problem completely, up-front (inventing and solving new metaproblems if the initial problem wasn't difficult enough), whereas - put broadly - if you want to get a new language or system adopted and mainstream, bet on [worse is better](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worse_is_better)/[YAGNI](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_ain%27t_gonna_need_it) (start simple and *evolve* solutions to *real-world* problems with an eye to the future, instead of trying to predict what problems will occur and solve them before they do) every time.
This is in no way a criticism of expertise, or any other developers specifically - it's more something I've noticed in myself and other developers I know over the years, and (in my case) am still battling to reverse. Nevertheless, once you learn to see it, you soon realise you can see it *everywhere*. | null | 0 | 1315778761 | True | 0 | c2j4zxd | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j4zxd | t1_c2j4w1p | null | 1427587408 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | yogthos | null | That's why the devs have to decide if it's worth the effort or not, certainly not a reason why Google shouldn't be allowed to do it. | null | 0 | 1315778764 | False | 0 | c2j4zxv | t3_kawp5 | null | t1_c2j4zxv | t1_c2j4con | null | 1427587408 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | ElSherberto | null | I didn't mean to imply it's a requirement. I was only pointing out to the OP that they most certainly have an understanding of programming language theory. This is also demonstrated by the fact that they have already [invented a programming language](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_%28programming_language%29). | null | 0 | 1315778775 | False | 0 | c2j4zzm | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j4zzm | t1_c2j4w1p | null | 1427587408 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | NitWit005 | null | Most browsers have added things in the hope of having them more generally adopted. You have to have a working example for anything complex if you want to push for some new standard. | null | 0 | 1315778828 | False | 0 | c2j506r | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j506r | t1_c2j4tk9 | null | 1427587412 | 14 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | crdoconnor | null | Tried *that* three times. Didn't work. | null | 0 | 1315778850 | False | 0 | c2j509q | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j509q | t1_c2j4yff | null | 1427587413 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | taw | null | JavaScript is still based on 1995 design from times where web was nothing like it is now. By even the most optimistic schedules Dash might start seriously replacing it for some advanced high performance stuff by 2015, and become dominant by 2020. That's 20-25 years of JavaScript being dominant technology while everything about web changed.
There's nothing wrong about it. Especially if they solve javascript's dubious security model at the same time as they solve its performance issues. | null | 0 | 1315778882 | False | 0 | c2j50e5 | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j50e5 | t3_kc9ai | null | 1427587414 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
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True | Sp1ffy | null | Google does it better. | null | 0 | 1315778926 | False | 0 | c2j50kl | t3_kawp5 | null | t1_c2j50kl | t1_c2j3lt4 | null | 1427587416 | -1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | iLiekCaeks | null | >nor did Tango involve me in any way when they chose BSD.
Oh really. Did you when you chose Boost?
>std.loader's license does not include that line, nor do any others.
But it did. You can check [github](https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/phobos/).
>many modules, such as std.algorithm, are innovative industry leaders.
Which industry are you talking about, and which other modules are industry leaders? | null | 0 | 1315778958 | False | 0 | c2j50ow | t3_kaxjq | null | t1_c2j50ow | t1_c2j4x44 | null | 1427587418 | -2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Greydmiyu | null | 2 platforms, both closed. | null | 0 | 1315779023 | False | 0 | c2j50yj | t3_kawp5 | null | t1_c2j50yj | t1_c2j4udp | null | 1427587423 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1315779101 | False | 0 | c2j519i | t3_kcf1k | null | t1_c2j519i | t3_kcf1k | null | 1427587435 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1315779101 | False | 0 | c2j519z | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j519z | t3_kc9ai | null | 1427587435 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | cl3ft | null | We would have to wait years, HTML5 took forever. Sometimes a company has to take the initiative. | null | 0 | 1315779118 | False | 0 | c2j51c1 | t3_kawp5 | null | t1_c2j51c1 | t1_c2j4xew | null | 1427587427 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | NitWit005 | null | I would differentiate "intentionally different just to be incompatible" and "trying to make things better".
I don't think Google's goal here is to force people to use Chrome. If it was, they wouldn't be releasing it open source or providing a cross compiler to Javascript so you can get your stuff working in other browsers. | null | 0 | 1315779161 | False | 0 | c2j51hr | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j51hr | t1_c2j4tgj | null | 1427587437 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | grauenwolf | null | > Compared to that the web offered (and offers) all the same, plus location-based services, offline storage and even entire applications
And in another ten years we may get to the point where two different applications can share the same offline files.
> mash-ups
Huray. You've discovered functionality that was available in Windows 3.x.
> public APIs
So you are using HTTP over TCP instead of TCP directly. Deal flipping deal.
> true separation of concerns and device-agnostic code
If that were even remotely true I wouldn't have four different web browsers currently installed on my desktop.
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True | Tuna-Fish2 | null | You might have been serious -- andralex wasn't. | null | 0 | 1315779302 | False | 0 | c2j521n | t3_kaxjq | null | t1_c2j521n | t1_c2j10lr | null | 1427587440 | 9 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | Awwwwwwww | null | 0 | 1315779314 | False | 0 | c2j5231 | t3_kawp5 | null | t1_c2j5231 | t1_c2j4z1w | null | 1427587439 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | randomyst | null | Why do people keep thinking that asking puzzles like this has any real use in detemining who is the best programmer for a job? | null | 0 | 1315779318 | False | 0 | c2j523k | t3_kcf1k | null | t1_c2j523k | t3_kcf1k | null | 1427587439 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Shin-LaC | null | > JavaScript is derived from ECMA script which was not built with the web in mind.
lol no. JavaScript was developed (in record time) at Netscape specifically for scripting web pages. ECMAScript was a standardization effort of JavaScript that came much later. | null | 0 | 1315779388 | False | 0 | c2j52ed | t3_kawp5 | null | t1_c2j52ed | t1_c2j4n5t | null | 1427587443 | 9 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | five9a2 | null | It would actually be useful for some numerical tasks, especially distributed-memory with structured grids, to be able to have arrays with an arbitrary starting index (possibly negative). It makes handling overlap, enforcing boundary conditions, and sometimes defining coefficients far simpler for the programmer.
You can even do this in C with some pointer tricks (if you ignore that annoying bit of the standard that says the behavior is undefined if an object of pointer type is ever computed that does not correspond to a valid address, even if not dereferenced, a relic from rare segmented memory architectures). | null | 0 | 1315779390 | False | 0 | c2j52eo | t3_kbdgw | null | t1_c2j52eo | t3_kbdgw | null | 1427587443 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Porges | null | Haskell makes a distinction between the two, and they're defined this way. All is right with the world.
There are actually three exponentiation operators: `^`, `^^`, and `**`, the first two with integral powers, and the last for real numbers. | null | 0 | 1315779408 | True | 0 | c2j52hj | t3_kbgvc | null | t1_c2j52hj | t1_c2j0lqs | null | 1427587442 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | alfador | null | Hint: You can do it in one pass over the people :) | null | 0 | 1315779419 | False | 0 | c2j52j9 | t3_kcf1k | null | t1_c2j52j9 | t3_kcf1k | null | 1427587442 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | grauenwolf | null | > The web buried all its competing media because it was accessible, scriptable, parseable and pretty enough.
And then RSS buried the web. I'm using stand-alone applications, not a web browser, to get my news and other content.
For videos I am also moving away from the web. Netflix is delivered to my TV and phone via native applications. Though I don't usually watch it, the same can be said for YouTube videos.
The Internet as a whole, not the web, is what's changing media. | null | 0 | 1315779425 | False | 0 | c2j52k3 | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j52k3 | t1_c2j4si3 | null | 1427587443 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | freeall | null | They should still be judged by what they do and not by a motto they made over ten years ago. And then it's also a matter of definition.
As an example I really dislike vendor lock-in like for instance Apple is masters of. To me that is being "evil". But for someone else that's defined as providing a better product because machinery from Apple works great together. All in the eyes of the beholder. | null | 0 | 1315779426 | False | 0 | c2j52k4 | t3_kawp5 | null | t1_c2j52k4 | t1_c2j4z1w | null | 1427587443 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Shin-LaC | null | Browsers already include VMs for JavaScript, though. | null | 0 | 1315779438 | False | 0 | c2j52m3 | t3_kawp5 | null | t1_c2j52m3 | t1_c2j45o0 | null | 1427587443 | 10 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | jammus | null | Don't be intimidated by the word algorithm. All an algorithm is is a series of steps that get you to a solution. Just try and think about how you might go about finding the celebrity using that function. Do you want to put every combination of guests through it or is there a more efficient way? How many times would you have to use the function in either case?
Edit: Seems like all PWOOK does is submit links to this or similar sites. Balls to this.
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True | yogthos | null | >I can get not killing off existing projects using WebSQL, til replacements are ready. But Google just launched new services using it.
The issue is that there is currently no alternative, and it does improve user experience. So, if W3C deprecated it and provided a different way forward, then implementing WebSQL would make a lot less sense. Since they didn't then it's still the most standard way to do it.
If Google wanted to, they could've come up with something completely off the wall that really would work only in their browser, but they took something that is already implemented and provided by 3 out of 5 major browsers.
>They are not open sourcing Dash/Dart up front. The are clear in this leaked email about developing it in secret, implementing it on Google's crucial websites, and only then dumping all that on the world.
My understanding is that they will implement it in Chrome and provide the spec for it once it does get released. It makes sense that they will wait to release it until it actually works. As for it working only on Google websites, that's kind of a given since they're the ones releasing it, nothing will prevent other sites from using it if they so choose, it is a client side technology after all.
>Now, Google does this with Android too - it dumps the code after a release.
I'm not sure why it's relevant whether they dump it as they're developing it or upon release. It seems like your concern is that they develop the technology internally without outside input and then use their position to promote it. While I agree that it's not ideal, they're still doing it in a reasonable way.
>That's too much power for one company to have.
I agree that the position Google holds is certainly troubling, but I think they're behaving rather well all things considered. Many other companies in similar positions are not nearly as considerate towards openness. | null | 0 | 1315779577 | False | 0 | c2j534r | t3_kawp5 | null | t1_c2j534r | t1_c2j32ja | null | 1427587450 | -1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | sltkr | null | For an O(N²) algorithm, simply query all possible pairs of people, and find the person with indegree equal to (N - m) and outdegree equal to 0. (This works for an arbitrary number of *m* celebrities.)
This can be optimized somewhat by picking a "candidate" celebrity and stopping calculating out-degree as soon as it becomes clear that he cannot be the one, but this doesn't immediately yield an asymptotically more efficient algorithm in the worst-case, I think.
*edit*: see above, apparently it does! | null | 0 | 1315779587 | True | 0 | c2j537p | t3_kcf1k | null | t1_c2j537p | t3_kcf1k | null | 1427587450 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Bravais | null | <- Left Right ->
Kiddie yes. As in a small simplistic language without innate large scale software features.
Hell, it didn't even get scoping correct and that will drop you a grade on your Sophomore CS year "build a small interpreter project". Failing to get equality right drop you another. C+ at best for a semester project.
Javascript is what it is. Something done hurriedly by _very_ talented, but non-pro language designer. It is what it is, a two week project. It is an inspired small scripting language, with a few horrendous screw ups mixed in.
It is to be admired for what was achieved under those constraints, but exactly as the Google memo indicated, the king has no clothes. JS is unusable for substantive software development, both at the language and tooling level. And that is just how it is. | null | 0 | 1315779608 | False | 0 | c2j53aq | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j53aq | t1_c2j4z23 | null | 1427587452 | -3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | grauenwolf | null | WebGL, the hacker's new best friend.
OR
ActiveX's little brother takes the spotlight. | null | 0 | 1315779627 | False | 0 | c2j53cr | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j53cr | t1_c2j4ztf | null | 1427587453 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | postmaster3000 | null | Step back for context. *Embrace* HTTP / HTML / JS, which are open standards. *Extend* with "something new." | null | 0 | 1315779630 | False | 0 | c2j53db | t3_kawp5 | null | t1_c2j53db | t1_c2j4piv | null | 1427587453 | 18 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | gschizas | null | Hey, I happen to like VB.NET (and I also have a plan)! | null | 0 | 1315779651 | False | 0 | c2j53gs | t3_kc5di | null | t1_c2j53gs | t1_c2j41zz | null | 1427587454 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | masta | null |
> This statement alone smells like FUD of the worst kind - unsourced and indefensible assertions offered by someone with an axe to grind or agenda to promote, thrown out to stick in people's minds and then quickly papered-over and moved past before anyone can recognise it or call it for the complete horseshit it is.
You sir do not mince your words, and I hope to someday quote you. | null | 0 | 1315779694 | False | 0 | c2j53nb | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j53nb | t1_c2j470o | null | 1427587457 | -1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | jammus | null | Because some familiarity with algorithm design is a desirable quality. It's not like "why are manhole covers round?" or some only-obvious-if-you've-heard-it-before brain teaser. | null | 0 | 1315779743 | False | 0 | c2j53ud | t3_kcf1k | null | t1_c2j53ud | t1_c2j523k | null | 1427587458 | 6 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | cdsmith | null | Nope, I have no more inside information than anyone. It just doesn't make a lot of sense for them to do that. It would cost them a *lot* of money to lose those search users, and it would be contrary to everything they've done in the past. | null | 0 | 1315779859 | False | 0 | c2j54b6 | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j54b6 | t1_c2j4ywg | null | 1427587466 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1315779875 | False | 0 | c2j54ds | t3_kcf1k | null | t1_c2j54ds | t1_c2j52j9 | null | 1427587466 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | recursive | null | Feel free to believe what you want. Imagine you have a comma delimited list of single digit numbers, and you need to replace every other one.
Insert destroys the shift arrow method plus any other you may care to mention. | null | 0 | 1315779899 | False | 0 | c2j54hj | t3_k8w37 | null | t1_c2j54hj | t1_c2ir3vr | null | 1427587468 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | myztry | null | I would rather have the private key on a USB device with onboard hardware based crypting specifically so that software (including the OS) can't access the private key.
Otherwise you are repeating the flaw of passwords where you need to give the secret away. The best way to keep a secret is to never let it be known.
(mass produced crypting keys made by the millions sold in a "virgin" programmable form ready to receive a key pair - available at mass retailers world wide for a few dollars. ) | null | 0 | 1315779960 | False | 0 | c2j54qk | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j54qk | t1_c2j4k7z | null | 1427587472 | 11 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | redditnoob | null | Ok, is the empty function constant? It seems to turn out (based on another reply to me) that the answer is usually "no" by convention to make some other properties work out. But is this natural, in any unambiguous sense?
I feel like whether a function is identity or not is like this... It is only really natural to speak about it being so or not when it actually does something. We say that the empty function is "the identity function" and chose a simple definition that makes it fit, but that seems to really be so as a sort of convention to have fewer "non-empty" requirements in a bunch of theorems, right? I guess all my uneasiness would disappear if the manner of speaking was more like "the conventional definition in math" rather than "the definition". I know enough about math to know that there are different ways to define things to produce isomorphic results... or maybe isomorphic other than a few "that is not empty" clauses.
I'm obviously a non-mathematician, so I have the luxury of being able to reason about things through feel rather than formalism. I have a guilty pleasure of being a bit of a platonist - I'm _sure_ the Mandelbrot set is out there. I'm also sure that the real numbers are something, whether you define them with Cauchy sequences or Dedekind cuts or some other isomorphic construction, they are a thing that was always there. Admittedly I am not talking about math when talking like this.
I love guys like Greg Chaitin and maybe Paul Erdos and even Steven Wolfram who skirt the line between mathematician and crank but who nonetheless manage to have some really interesting ideas sometimes. | null | 0 | 1315779995 | False | 0 | c2j54w8 | t3_kbgvc | null | t1_c2j54w8 | t1_c2j4zi5 | null | 1427587473 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | therapy | null | They wouldn't lose any users, if they make google.com **better** on Chrome but still the same as before for other browsers.
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True | [deleted] | null | Evolution generates extreme complexity and brings you to local maxima. The pinnacle of CS is to provide simple solutions to complex problems, and that requires design. Languages made by people without PLT education is usually riddled with special-case features that end up preventing essential features. | null | 0 | 1315780049 | False | 0 | c2j553i | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j553i | t1_c2j4zxd | null | 1427587476 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | crankybadger | null | If it isn't invisible, or very nearly, then it's in the way. GitHub, by way of example, is so simple it's almost not even there for most use cases. Most things are exactly where you expect to find them, or very nearly. SourceForce is an example of the polar opposite, where nothing makes sense and yet, technically, everything works the same. You don't see the differences on a feature check-list.
Using TFS looks about as fun as applying for a driver's license in Soviet Russia. It's like Fogzbugs plus Bugzilla to the power of RCS.
If it wasn't for "drama queens" like me, of which I am but one of millions, nothing would ever improve in software. People would just eat what they're given without thinking of how it could ever be made better.
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True | adoran124 | null | Those buttons are a real pain in the ass to use. | null | 0 | 1315780117 | False | 0 | c2j55dk | t3_kcf54 | null | t1_c2j55dk | t3_kcf54 | null | 1427587479 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | That particular programming language pretty much disregards PLT when it comes to its type system, which is completely broken as a result (you can't even write a type safe identity function). | null | 0 | 1315780167 | False | 0 | c2j55kv | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j55kv | t1_c2j4zzm | null | 1427587482 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | thcobbs | null | Bullshit.
Chrome is their ultimate data-mining app for their advert business. | null | 0 | 1315780168 | False | 0 | c2j55kx | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j55kx | t1_c2j4xug | null | 1427587482 | -14 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Shaper_pmp | null | > Sure, the web won it — *for email clients and discussion media*.
True - e-mail, general content and discussion media are the only cases I can think of where the web has almost *finished* burying desktop apps, but the trend over time is still surprisingly pronounced, even with media players (Youtube/streaming sites), music/movie storage (various cloud services including Google Music), office-productivity suites (Google Docs, etc) and arguably even the very beginnings of serious gaming (browser-based MMOs, HTML5 games, Minecraft-in-your-browser, etc).
I don't pretend the web has completely eradicated desktop apps (I suspect it never will, and I certainly *hope* it never does), and I don't pretend the web will make *all* types of desktop app obsolete (plenty of apps rely on large-scale client-side data files, or can't work with laggy server round-trips, or simply require too-rich a UI to be worthwhile), but over the last fifteen years the overall *trend* has been clear - largely away from desktop apps, and more towards cloud/browser-based online ones.
> Sure — there are web-based alternatives — but they come up severely short with respect to functionality and are, for the most part, relatively niche.
That's what they used to say about web-based e-mail, too... and web-discussion forums compared to Usenet. And it's what they were saying about online Flash games *right up to the point* that Angry Birds suddenly "invented" (hack, spit) casual gaming, and suddenly everyone *couldn't get enough* of those "shitty" flash games we'd had since the 90s. <:-)
> Gmail and Yahoo have replaced email clients for a lot of people; web forums and sites like Reddit have supplanted usenet. That’s really about it.
It's true that the trend is ongoing, but as I've said, the trend is clear. The increasing movement of apps to the web (and the knock-on effects of making Windows and Office monopolies increasingly irrelevant) was even recognised at Microsoft *as far back as the mid 90s*, and they were widely regarded in the industry as being late to the party even then.
It's not a done deal, but none of the IT strategies of major software companies have been predicated on apps moving from the web *back* to the desktop since the early 2000s at the latest.
It's a gradual drift, true, but it's very definite, very widely-recognised, and widely suspected to be irreversible.
> if by “accessibility” you mean something like the independence of a particular computer
Accessibility from any computer, but also the ability to interact with the app in an insanely flexible way - more or less however you want to do it.
There's no equivalent of a search engine for native apps. No automatic machine translation app that you can install that intercepts and re-writes the UIs in all your other apps into your native language. No app that aggregates information from any and all your other apps and presents it in a format and model and layout that you desire.
This is not because no-one's thought to write one yet, but because at present it's *actually impossible* - there's no common abstract format to expose app data and UIs and functionality in, and likely all sorts of permissions issues with apps consuming and digesting and regurgitating each others' content even if there was. For this to be the case - at present - every single app writer on the planet would have to agree on common formats and protocols and interfaces, and would then have to rewrite their apps to support it. The web *already offers* this functionality, in the form of HTML, HTTP and REST.
The closest any mobile platform has is Android's Activities, but (while they're a great leap forward from monolithic executable files), they're embarrassingly old-fashioned and inaccessible compared to REST and the (scriptable, text-based, parseable) web. They're more akin to links *between* websites than the ability to scrape or parse or mash-up one or multiple websites' data and interact with it however you want.
If you don't like the UI of a mobile app you're basically SOL. If you don't like the UI of an on-line app you can customise it with user CSS, Greasemonkey user-scripts, write your own whole HTML/JS front-end that merely hits any public (or even reverse-engineered private!) REST APIs for its data... or you can even screen-scrape the entire site on your server and build your own completely customised equivalent interface.
*That's* what I mean about accessibility - the ability to use, abuse and consume the content or UI of a system in ways never even *imagined* by the original designers... let alone in ways they already considered and explicitly provided for... and that's in large part why the web has been so phenomenally successful compared to both desktop apps and older, less accessible./scriptable/parseable/mash-up-able, more monolithic online systems. | null | 0 | 1315780181 | True | 0 | c2j55mv | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j55mv | t1_c2j4z0k | null | 1427587483 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | therapy | null | Well, we will have to agree to disagree then. I think we both stated our positions clearly, and while we don't see eye to eye I hope we can respect each others' opinion.
Thanks for an honest and open debate. Not often seen on the web sadly ;)
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True | [deleted] | null | Your point being? Python brings nothing new to programming languages, and is poorly designed in a number of ways (the scoping rules for example). | null | 0 | 1315780233 | False | 0 | c2j55uh | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j55uh | t1_c2j4y87 | null | 1427587485 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
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