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True | sod1864 | null | Even the iPad? Great! :D I'll take two. | null | 0 | 1315813088 | False | 0 | c2j8vxt | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j8vxt | t1_c2j8vju | null | 1427589245 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | geekville | null | > How could this be bad for the open web?
Um.. because the web should be based on open standards?
Please learn the difference between open source and open standards. | null | 0 | 1315813203 | False | 0 | c2j8w7h | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j8w7h | t1_c2j57l4 | null | 1427589245 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | jiiyag | null | [The answer is both yes and no.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuous_truth)
Here is a bit from the page:
>Vacuous truths occur commonly in mathematics. For instance, when making a general statement about arbitrary sets, said statement ought to hold for all sets including the empty set. But for the empty set the statement may very well reduce to a vacuous truth. So by taking this vacuous truth to be true, our general statement stands and we are not forced to make an exception for the empty set. | null | 0 | 1315813414 | False | 0 | c2j8wqk | t3_kbgvc | null | t1_c2j8wqk | t1_c2j54w8 | null | 1427589250 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | cdsmith | null | I do understand people wanting things to be more open than they are. But I'd say if you want to "call" Google on that, you're looking in the wrong place.
Google isn't forcing their ideas on anyone. I've yet to see the W3C standard (or other accepted standard) that they choose *not* to implement and instead push their own proprietary alternative. Instead, they are using their browser to provide an overall excellent implementation of existing and proposed standards, *and* experiment with new ideas. If these Google proprietary things get standardized, or implemented by other web browsers, it'll be because other people, outside Google, decided that they have merit and should be standardized or implemented versus the alternatives that anyone else is free to come up with.
I should point out that practically the entire web was built in that way: designed by one company or interest group, incorporated into a single web browser or product, and *then* standardized. Incremental changes have been made in standards bodies, but examples of successful whole technologies built by a standards body are very, very rare. | null | 0 | 1315813498 | False | 0 | c2j8wxn | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j8wxn | t1_c2j8rpb | null | 1427589261 | 12 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | rizla7 | null | you mean use the 'www', cuz there's no way you're going to use the internet ;p kinda reminds of an 'it crowd' episode ;o bah, even the www you ain't gonna use except for plain html content. | null | 0 | 1315813532 | True | 0 | c2j8x0c | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j8x0c | t1_c2j7hq9 | null | 1427589254 | -1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | anonymous_hero | null | > He has plenty of reason to slander Google given he is in direct competition with him.
He has good reason not to, unless Google has stopped financing Mozilla.
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True | detaer | null | Pre or post nge? | null | 0 | 1315813784 | False | 0 | c2j8xkk | t3_kctmn | null | t1_c2j8xkk | t3_kctmn | null | 1427589261 | 8 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | happyscrappy | null | > He has good reason not to, unless Google has stopped financing Mozilla.
No, you misinterpret the case here.
Google pays Mozilla for every search done through Mozillas search bar. This is a lot of money.
However, if Chrome takes away Mozilla's market share, that means fewer searches done through Mozilla's search bar and that means a reduction in money received by Mozilla from Google.
So they are in direct competition with Google and he has plenty of reason to slander Google and Chrome with the intention of retaining their market share and thus their funding. | null | 0 | 1315813796 | False | 0 | c2j8xlj | t3_kawp5 | null | t1_c2j8xlj | t1_c2j8x7k | null | 1427589262 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | jyper | null | Originally most operating systems provided their own versions and many still do. | null | 0 | 1315813842 | False | 0 | c2j8xpm | t3_kbdp7 | null | t1_c2j8xpm | t1_c2j2z8f | null | 1427589263 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | khazathon | null | Where can I get this magical suite of automated tests that has 100% code coverage and only takes 15 minutes to run? | null | 0 | 1315813966 | False | 0 | c2j8xzr | t3_kc5di | null | t1_c2j8xzr | t1_c2j8ve9 | null | 1427589268 | 6 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | cwzwarich | null | Bitcode, not bytecode! | null | 0 | 1315814037 | False | 0 | c2j8y55 | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j8y55 | t1_c2j6357 | null | 1427589269 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | luckystarr | null | Fork the web? What a thought. | null | 0 | 1315814054 | False | 0 | c2j8y6g | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j8y6g | t1_c2j5eyr | null | 1427589269 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | theresistor | null | You win one pedantic star. ;-) | null | 0 | 1315814090 | False | 0 | c2j8y99 | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j8y99 | t1_c2j8y55 | null | 1427589270 | 7 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | rizla7 | null | just commenting - the technology isnt going anywhere. most likely will never be accepted as a standard, even if it is adoption will be miniscule. JS is used not just for web dev, so there is actual need for it, but dumping another language/platform on the scene... not gonna have a warm reception, criticism will kill it. but that's not the real issue. fact is most tablets will be running win8 in a few years, and understanding MS' reluctance to adopt anything not 'in the mainstream', i doubt this will find broad support. maybe just a niche on android phones. in any case, not likely to be standardized. | null | 0 | 1315814143 | False | 0 | c2j8ydq | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j8ydq | t1_c2j5tti | null | 1427589273 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | repsilat | null | Other things: The left-handed "goes to" operator
while (5 <-- x)
omits the 5. Also, if you don't have a Shift key, "`---`" can be used in place of "`-->`". | null | 0 | 1315814196 | False | 0 | c2j8yi3 | t3_kchtc | null | t1_c2j8yi3 | t3_kchtc | null | 1427589284 | 13 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | The amount of FUD on this thread (including the title) is incredible...
A corp. that's trying to innovate in a competitive market and is willing to work with other companies and standard committees on standardizing their innovations for free is getting attacked, because it's a corporation and we all know that's a synonym for child raping, mass murdering group of sociopaths who want to destroy the middle class and pray to their free mason gods or what not. It's like that retard crowd that picks on Mono "OMG! M$ evil patent trap"... grow up. | null | 0 | 1315814401 | False | 0 | c2j8yx7 | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j8yx7 | t3_kc9ai | null | 1427589289 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | rated-r | null | That refers to statically or stack allocated objects, not blocks of memory allocated via malloc. | null | 0 | 1315814473 | False | 0 | c2j8z2l | t3_kbdgw | null | t1_c2j8z2l | t1_c2j3wow | null | 1427589282 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | delta4zero | null | Precisely. A combination of slow/expensive/crap Internet and "old" business practices mean everybody is stuck 9 to 5 here. Anyway, I guess GP's post was rhetorical by the number of downvotes I'm getting. | null | 0 | 1315814481 | False | 0 | c2j8z33 | t3_k9z9s | null | t1_c2j8z33 | t1_c2io8g7 | null | 1427589282 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | mm256 | null | ImportError: No module named concurrent.futures
I'm using 2.7.1 on Windows. But that module seems to be for python 3.* | null | 0 | 1315814508 | False | 0 | c2j8z54 | t3_kcgtj | null | t1_c2j8z54 | t3_kcgtj | null | 1427589283 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | croxis | null | Pre | null | 0 | 1315814641 | False | 0 | c2j8zev | t3_kctmn | null | t1_c2j8zev | t1_c2j8xkk | null | 1427589286 | 7 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | cdsmith | null | Do you really mean "open source" there? I'd say it's a very, very safe bet that Google's implementation of Dash will be open source. That's hardly even at issue. It's also clear that the specification for Dash will be submitted to a standards body. The only point of dispute is at what stage of the development process they turn it over to a standards body.
This Reddit thread seems to be about saying they should come forward to the W3C with a few notes on their ideas about something they've never implemented at all. Google won't do that, though; they will have at least a complete implementation and probably have it working and released in Chrome first. | null | 0 | 1315814662 | False | 0 | c2j8zgh | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j8zgh | t1_c2j6pnc | null | 1427589289 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | rizla7 | null | rofl, maybe not the ipad, it will be hardware locked and you will need to jailbreak it! or just smash it with a hammer and get a better product that isnt overpriced maybe :\ | null | 0 | 1315814743 | False | 0 | c2j8zmf | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j8zmf | t1_c2j8vxt | null | 1427589291 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | papajohn56 | null | lol at the comparison | null | 0 | 1315815274 | False | 0 | c2j90lg | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j90lg | t1_c2j6fz6 | null | 1427589301 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | I agree to an extend but our ages are a count too and not a distance and we aren't born 1 year old and it does depend entirely on how you count because you don't have 1 year until you have 365 days.
It just depends on if you count from the start of the year or the end when you actually have 1 year. | null | 0 | 1315815479 | False | 0 | c2j90yk | t3_kbdgw | null | t1_c2j90yk | t1_c2j79qu | null | 1427589307 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | cmsj | null | is the code for it not in Chromium? | null | 0 | 1315815499 | False | 0 | c2j9102 | t3_kawp5 | null | t1_c2j9102 | t1_c2j88gt | null | 1427589309 | 8 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | cmsj | null | where fun is your own CA added to the browser and a MITM proxy you've configured with a google.com cert signed by your own CA? :) | null | 0 | 1315815561 | False | 0 | c2j9147 | t3_kawp5 | null | t1_c2j9147 | t1_c2j6lyf | null | 1427589311 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | nxpnsv | null | Funny *C++* tricks... | null | 0 | 1315815596 | False | 0 | c2j916i | t3_kchtc | null | t1_c2j916i | t3_kchtc | null | 1427589312 | -9 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | cmsj | null | Replacing one technology with a better one isn't inherently a bad thing.
If you want to talk about silly web things that Google are starting to talk about pushing, you might want to refocus your gaze on NaCl. That right there is some batshit craziness. | null | 0 | 1315815622 | False | 0 | c2j9180 | t3_kawp5 | null | t1_c2j9180 | t1_c2j3lt4 | null | 1427589313 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | cmsj | null | probably not ever, they'll skip it for 3.1 at least, I suspect.
However, this is all irrelevant because 'open' and 'open source' and 'open standards' are all being bandied around in these comments with scant regard for what they actually mean, where the differences are and what the moral, technical and business implications of each are. | null | 0 | 1315815714 | False | 0 | c2j91ei | t3_kawp5 | null | t1_c2j91ei | t1_c2j701s | null | 1427589321 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | cmsj | null | I'd just cite common sense and common knowledge about Google's business model ;) | null | 0 | 1315815782 | False | 0 | c2j91iv | t3_kawp5 | null | t1_c2j91iv | t1_c2j6qio | null | 1427589317 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1315815904 | True | 0 | c2j91qg | t3_kbdgw | null | t1_c2j91qg | t1_c2j6o77 | null | 1427589321 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Almafeta | null | Do people still use RSS? I thought that died with Myspace. | null | 0 | 1315816004 | False | 0 | c2j91x7 | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j91x7 | t1_c2j52k3 | null | 1427589324 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | icebraining | null | The only factual part of that statement is "use our version". Everything else is your assumptions.
You say it's because they didn't invent/control it, but that's completely ungrounded. | null | 0 | 1315816032 | False | 0 | c2j91zc | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j91zc | t1_c2j5rxg | null | 1427589324 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Dr_Teeth | null | I really must check this out. I played SWG from release up until I read about the CU and promptly quit. :) | null | 0 | 1315816101 | False | 0 | c2j9245 | t3_kctmn | null | t1_c2j9245 | t3_kctmn | null | 1427589325 | 11 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | rizla7 | null | no they're not, they're completely circumventing the standards process, and have offended many in the industry with this approach to say the least. this effort will fail, just like all google's attempts at 'standards' before it. as for mono, those guys are retards, dotnet is completely royalty free, java is not, not to mention java sucks. and dotnet is the future of device integration. | null | 0 | 1315816111 | True | 0 | c2j924p | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j924p | t1_c2j8yx7 | null | 1427589325 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | midir | null | I don't know Python but you had it right the first time: `a[0,2] + a[3,Length(a)]` if the slicing function takes elements start <= x < end (most common) or `a[0,1] + a[3,Length(a) - 1]` if it's start <= x <= end.
I agree that example is more confusing, but you do get used to it.
I'll give you an example of these +1/-1 adjustments. Suppose you have a linear array representing a 2-dimensional structure (e.g., pixels of an image, squares of a chessboard), and you want to index an element in the array by x and y.
* If the array is 1-based and x and y are 1-based it's: `a[(y - 1) * width + x]`
* If the array is 1-based and x and y are 0-based it's: `a[y * width + x + 1]`
* If the array is 0-based and x and y are 1-based it's: `a[(y - 1) * width + x - 1]`
* If the array is 0-based and x and y are 0-based it's: `a[y * width + x]`
You could set up a multidimensional array `a[x][y]`, but it still has to be translated into the raw form somehow. The logic is still there internally. For multidimensional structures, 0-based wins at performance and simplicity. | null | 0 | 1315816114 | False | 0 | c2j924u | t3_kbdgw | null | t1_c2j924u | t1_c2j6o77 | null | 1427589325 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Almafeta | null | Google strongly encourages Google+ users to use their real names. | null | 0 | 1315816136 | False | 0 | c2j926f | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j926f | t1_c2j7lq7 | null | 1427589327 | -1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | cmsj | null | 'there is no longer a single web' - there has never been a single web. All browsers have always had their own custom extensions to HTML/CSS and have always had their implementation quirks. Just pick apart any moderately complex site, it's full of repetition and variation to solve all of the little oddities with specific browsers.
Presumably Google want to move quickly to evolve the features they can offer in their web apps. They have a web browser as well so they can co-evolve them much faster than any standards track and browser industry could. I don't think it's unreasonable for them to do this - if they are really beholden to Microsoft, Opera, Mozilla, Apple and the dudes who maintain GtkHTML and the browser in my PS3 and on the crappy old SonyEricsson phone I have stuffed in a drawer somewhere, then we are going to be stuck in HTML4 world forever.
Nuts to that, I say they should have at it. If they go so far down the path of specialisation that Google web apps become only useful in Google's web browser, guess what will happen.... most people on the web won't be able to use their apps, so they won't use them and Google's revenue will tank.
When Google has a 97% browser monopoly like IE used to, that's when we can talk about them using their power to destroy the inherent openness of the web. Or we could talk about things like Google's NaCl which want to do genuinely closed things in your web browser. Dash? Not so much. | null | 0 | 1315816230 | False | 0 | c2j92dg | t3_kawp5 | null | t1_c2j92dg | t1_c2iwg32 | null | 1427589327 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | BeatLeJuce | null | > You're making a category mistake.
How so? | null | 0 | 1315816326 | False | 0 | c2j92jg | t3_k58pi | null | t1_c2j92jg | t1_c2j5ln2 | null | 1427589329 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | icebraining | null | Not, they can't. You can make a reasonable assumption based on some biased samples, that's all. "I believe" is reasonable. | null | 0 | 1315816343 | False | 0 | c2j92kh | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j92kh | t1_c2j7ejj | null | 1427589329 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | cl3ft | null | Even better if it's a directive to staff, not a marketing ploy to use on the public. | null | 0 | 1315816437 | False | 0 | c2j92r4 | t3_kawp5 | null | t1_c2j92r4 | t1_c2j8eet | null | 1427589331 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | cmsj | null | OOI why do you think Dash won't ever be a W3C party?
(NaCl I totally understand because it's it's fucking crazy ;) | null | 0 | 1315816530 | False | 0 | c2j92xm | t3_kawp5 | null | t1_c2j92xm | t1_c2j8poh | null | 1427589333 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | cmsj | null | are there no firefox extensions which perform that function? | null | 0 | 1315816624 | False | 0 | c2j9348 | t3_kawp5 | null | t1_c2j9348 | t1_c2j4vuy | null | 1427589335 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | cmsj | null | some of their users pay for Google products. you can buy storage from them, you can buy Google Apps from them, you can buy search appliances from them, etc. | null | 0 | 1315816672 | False | 0 | c2j937j | t3_kawp5 | null | t1_c2j937j | t1_c2j6vx8 | null | 1427589336 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | personanongrata | null | I think that's the explanation why google analytics is almost non-functional on linux with firefox 6.x. | null | 0 | 1315816738 | False | 0 | c2j93bm | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j93bm | t3_kc9ai | null | 1427589337 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | icebraining | null | I'm hardly a fan of the company, but Apple does support plenty of open source: CUPS, LLVM + Clang, Webkit and a few others. | null | 0 | 1315816743 | False | 0 | c2j93c4 | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j93c4 | t1_c2j7jt7 | null | 1427589337 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | KumbajaMyLord | null | Counterexample: Google Gears brought offline support. After offline capabilities were added to HTML 5 Google pulled the plug on Gears and reworked all their Apps (Mail, Calendar, Docs) to use HTML 5 isntead of gears.
PS: The reason that people freaked about Microsoft and not this is
a) IE was for a long time the de facto standard browser. Being in that position caries alot of responsibility.
b) MS used closed proprietary standards.
c) Google is (almost) always considerate about fallbacks to open standards.
Google is not forcing their innovations on anyone, even though they are in the position to do in many areas so. Yes, they do skip past the slow standards process and just do things, but they don't push the entire system into a corner. They built 'their' standard and make it open source. If you think the standard needs to be different you contribute to it or fork it and make your own project - Just like Google did with Pepper and Native Client. | null | 0 | 1315816759 | True | 0 | c2j93d4 | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j93d4 | t1_c2j67v2 | null | 1427589337 | 17 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | skwisgaar_explains | null | This ams completely true. I shoulds not have cast thems in with Microsoft. I do think they ams does some other things whats ams harms open source more so than Googles, but thems projects ams not insignificant...
Google > Apple > Microsoft. | null | 0 | 1315817023 | False | 0 | c2j93uu | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j93uu | t1_c2j93c4 | null | 1427589346 | -1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1315817038 | False | 0 | c2j93vz | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j93vz | t1_c2j5pid | null | 1427589346 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | Oh noes, not the standards process, anything but that ! They are trying to improve user experience in their products, if they succeed at that then it doesn't matter if it's standard or not. That's called competition and innovation. | null | 0 | 1315817048 | False | 0 | c2j93wm | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j93wm | t1_c2j924p | null | 1427589346 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | RichardDurr | null | Yeah sure, like Clojure for example... I think you're wrong. | null | 0 | 1315817069 | False | 0 | c2j93xz | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j93xz | t1_c2j8shz | null | 1427589348 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | barakatbarakat | null | The thread is about getting more programmers for the project, no one cares if you don't want to. | null | 0 | 1315817085 | False | 0 | c2j93z3 | t3_kctmn | null | t1_c2j93z3 | t1_c2j8viw | null | 1427589348 | 23 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | anonymous_hero | null | Well, Google is their source of funding. It's also a competitor in a way.
So, Mozilla is being funded by its competitor, which seems kind of strange from a business -point of view.
It's almost as if the funding depended solely on Google's continued good will towards Mozilla. If that's the case, then it would make sense for Mozilla to avoid upsetting Google, especially when they'd pretty much collapse without the income from Google.
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True | VikingFjorden | null | It's pre CU, even. | null | 0 | 1315817266 | False | 0 | c2j94am | t3_kctmn | null | t1_c2j94am | t1_c2j8xkk | null | 1427589351 | 22 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | kikaerter | null | Agreed. It would be much prettier with a zip3 method that put 3 lists together and a sum3 method over triples that worked like #'+. Then, it would be:
List(1, 2, 3).zip3(List(1, 1, 2), List(5, 4, 3)).map(sum3)
which is no more barfulous than the CL, in my opinion. There's a bit of extra noise due to this example being a good Lisp sweet-spot (try doing the same with hash tables in CL, for example). | null | 0 | 1315817280 | False | 0 | c2j94bn | t3_k9h3s | null | t1_c2j94bn | t1_c2j5r83 | null | 1427589351 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | VikingFjorden | null | I heard their OR project is finished now, so if they can get some devs to finish up the new system, this will be *awesome*.
They did a pretty good job at it even before the OR, with the exception of quests not working and some professions being broken. But supposedly, they have a much, much better framework now than they did back when I was a tester. | null | 0 | 1315817329 | False | 0 | c2j94el | t3_kctmn | null | t1_c2j94el | t3_kctmn | null | 1427589352 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Aversiste | null | The ISC license is shorter than the 2-clause BSD and has the same meaning ;) | null | 0 | 1315817387 | False | 0 | c2j94i5 | t3_kbbbu | null | t1_c2j94i5 | t1_c2ix8p7 | null | 1427589353 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1315817490 | False | 0 | c2j94p0 | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j94p0 | t1_c2j5pid | null | 1427589356 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | icebraining | null | othermaciej posted a criticism of Google below at it's well upvoted. Maybe thcobbs' posts are just bad? | null | 0 | 1315817594 | False | 0 | c2j94vv | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j94vv | t1_c2j5pid | null | 1427589358 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | portalscience | null | O god...
while(5---x)
that is just terrible style. Also hilarious. | null | 0 | 1315817712 | False | 0 | c2j9531 | t3_kchtc | null | t1_c2j9531 | t1_c2j8yi3 | null | 1427589361 | 9 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | rizla7 | null | how exactly is it going to improve user experience? lol. its not going to make much of a performance difference and instead will introduce a whole lot of extra complexity for no good reason. i doubt devs are going to want to learn this just to do what theyve already been doing without it for years. also, its not feasible to develop an entire system just so a few devs can tinker with it on your platform. that is the definition of 'waste of time', just like the world will soon find out that developing for iOS was a huge waste of time. | null | 0 | 1315817837 | False | 0 | c2j95am | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j95am | t1_c2j93wm | null | 1427589363 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | icebraining | null | Funny how you mention Python, since its creator is actually working at Google. | null | 0 | 1315817992 | False | 0 | c2j95kq | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j95kq | t1_c2j4tc5 | null | 1427589367 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | kikaerter | null | Actually, there are a number of problems on both platforms for languages that are too different from the original language that the VM was designed for.
On the JVM, general tail-call optimization is not possible. Additionally, until recently, it's been lacking instructions for fast implementations of dynamic languages. Finally, the erasure-based generics of Java means that it's decidedly nontrivial to deal with generics across language boundaries.
On the CLR, the reified generics force C#'s model of parametric polymorphism onto other languages. It's decidedly nontrivial to implement type constructor polymorphism on the CLR for this reason.
This doesn't mean that something like CLR would be inappropriate in browsers, but the semantics of the VM _do_ effect the range of languages that are easily implementable on said VM. | null | 0 | 1315818006 | False | 0 | c2j95lm | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j95lm | t1_c2j93xz | null | 1427589367 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Gotebe | null | Disclaimer: I am 42.
No, 0-based indices are not "standard". I don't even know what "standard" you're referring to, possibly C and it's successors. That's not "standard", that's one language family.
Then, there are languages that have 1-based indexing, and there are languages that allow you to index from where you want. And they existed before C.
Finally, there's natural way of counting stuff, and there's math.
0-based indices do not matter as much as you'd like it. *You* deal with it. | null | 0 | 1315818056 | False | 0 | c2j95or | t3_kbdgw | null | t1_c2j95or | t1_c2iyyvq | null | 1427589377 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1315818091 | False | 0 | c2j95qs | t3_kcwji | null | t1_c2j95qs | t3_kcwji | null | 1427589369 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | icebraining | null | You have made exactly 0 counter-arguments. Well done.
By the way, V8 doesn't "execute machine code", that's the CPU. As parent aid, it executes Javascript as machine code (i.e., it executes JS by translating it into machine code).
Please make sure to have any real knowledge of the issues before replying.
By the way, they have plenty of people working there that were well respected in the field before joining. Just because you're too ignorant to know them doesn't change that. | null | 0 | 1315818222 | False | 0 | c2j95yn | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j95yn | t1_c2j576f | null | 1427589376 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | CuteAlien | null | I guess as long as Vuze and Runescape are working 90% of the typical home-users will be ok with OpenJDK. | null | 0 | 1315818232 | False | 0 | c2j95zb | t3_kcvv3 | null | t1_c2j95zb | t3_kcvv3 | null | 1427589376 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | sztomi | null | The smiley was implying that it was a silly comment, though my (very subjective) opinion is the same. It is based on the fact that it has less surprises and it is designed to be readable. | null | 0 | 1315818348 | False | 0 | c2j966z | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j966z | t1_c2j8t9w | null | 1427589378 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | mikaelhg | null | The thought of actually finally being able to fix the various endgame Chef crafting bugs _is_ tempting... but the thing about pre-CU SWG was the amazing, intelligent people the multifaceted system brought together. | null | 0 | 1315818568 | False | 0 | c2j96ko | t3_kctmn | null | t1_c2j96ko | t3_kctmn | null | 1427589381 | 7 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | hakkzpets | null | So they are finally admitting they are dying or are they close to the finish line? I've been waiting forever for this emulator. | null | 0 | 1315818620 | True | 0 | c2j96nr | t3_kctmn | null | t1_c2j96nr | t3_kctmn | null | 1427589381 | 12 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | exscape | null | Most of them are pure C, though. | null | 0 | 1315818711 | False | 0 | c2j96tb | t3_kchtc | null | t1_c2j96tb | t1_c2j916i | null | 1427589391 | 6 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Almafeta | null | Aaaand the site's down. More's the pity, anything that tries to get more kids into programming can only be a good thing. | null | 0 | 1315818747 | False | 0 | c2j96v1 | t3_kcii9 | null | t1_c2j96v1 | t3_kcii9 | null | 1427589384 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | icebraining | null | Nowadays that's somewhat lost due to minifying. After that treatment the code is unreadable, especially by newbies. | null | 0 | 1315818804 | False | 0 | c2j96yg | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j96yg | t1_c2j5d2r | null | 1427589385 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | igrekster | null | I'm seeking for a wider audience... | null | 0 | 1315818950 | False | 0 | c2j976u | t3_kcwr2 | null | t1_c2j976u | t3_kcwr2 | null | 1427589388 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | I don't know how, newsflash - they haven't released this to the public. Two things they did release (or leak) state that they are doing it to improve user experience and that it cannot be compiled to JS completely which means some features will be introduced.
And switching to a new language has costs for Google that must be justified. Also how stupid would they be to screw over their existing users by degrading the quality of existing products for current users in other browsers, just so they get better chrome adoption (which isn't making money directly). They have competitors/alternatives in any segment, free mail, search, advertising...
This whole conversation is about as pointless as the rest of this thread, I'm only even commenting because this somehow reached the top of /r/programming... | null | 0 | 1315818955 | True | 0 | c2j9776 | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j9776 | t1_c2j95am | null | 1427589388 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | icebraining | null | That's why they have an interest in getting everyone on the web. Chrome is irrelevant, they show you ads on websites. Making them faster for everyone helps them show more ads. Making them faster only for Chrome users would be stupid. | null | 0 | 1315819043 | False | 0 | c2j97c6 | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j97c6 | t1_c2j5r9t | null | 1427589391 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | gozu | null | I could see that happening if Chrome captures 50 or 60% of the browser market. That's a big if. They're only at 10-15% right now I believe.
In any case, I seriously doubt Microsoft would allow this to happen. IE9 is quality software and IE10 will probably be pretty awesome too, now that they have Google to copy. | null | 0 | 1315819138 | False | 0 | c2j97hl | t3_kawp5 | null | t1_c2j97hl | t1_c2j8u7i | null | 1427589392 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | thesystemx | null | Sure, /r/programming is for general stuff, so long as it's Python or Ruby? | null | 0 | 1315819171 | False | 0 | c2j97jo | t3_kb1gc | null | t1_c2j97jo | t1_c2j7kp2 | null | 1427589393 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1315819343 | False | 0 | c2j97sv | t3_kawp5 | null | t1_c2j97sv | t1_c2j7r32 | null | 1427589396 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | kiafaldorius | null | Google went through the W3C to help implement HTML5 (look up Ian Hickson). If you've followed HTML5 at all, you'll notice how long it's taken (btw, the standard is not complete yet and still in the editing process). Not bringing up new standards before the technology's proven itself is a smart move.
I agree with cdsmith; I think you're just nitpicking their approach or don't fully understand what it takes to get a standard into the wild.
There's a chicken and egg problem when anyone tries to introduce a new standard. The issue is inherent in the term: standard. To be a standard, it has to be "Used or accepted as normal or average" or "An idea or thing used as a measure, norm, or model in comparative evaluations". So in order for something to be a standard, it has to be adopted as a standard. The W3C can say "this is a standard that everyone should strive for" but if no one bothers to try it, they have no sway.
> The point of the open standards process is to give everyone a say in the direction of the technology.
Not always a good idea to do that from the start because then you could end up in wildly different directions. If present a clear path, small deviations don't change the fundamentals all that much. | null | 0 | 1315819468 | False | 0 | c2j97zn | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j97zn | t1_c2j8rpb | null | 1427589398 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | ObligatoryResponse | null | Since when is a post made to the public
>List: com.googlegroups.google-caja-discuss
a leaked internal document? | null | 0 | 1315819487 | False | 0 | c2j980q | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j980q | t3_kc9ai | null | 1427589407 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | antonivs | null | Reusing notorious titles is a much older tradition than that. Consider [Considered Harmful](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Considered_harmful).
I guess you're saying Reusing Titles Considered Harmful. | null | 0 | 1315819501 | False | 0 | c2j981m | t3_kcpdg | null | t1_c2j981m | t1_c2j7t92 | null | 1427589407 | 14 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | s3b_ | null | "403" - well, that was fast. | null | 0 | 1315819503 | False | 0 | c2j981q | t3_kctmn | null | t1_c2j981q | t3_kctmn | null | 1427589407 | -4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | ObligatoryResponse | null | Indeed:
>List: com.googlegroups.google-caja-discuss | null | 0 | 1315819532 | False | 0 | c2j9838 | t3_kawp5 | null | t1_c2j9838 | t1_c2j5hp2 | null | 1427589408 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | rizla7 | null | everything can be inferred from that document anyways :\ im not arguing that JS isnt the best solution, but i am also doubting G's ability to develop anything that is considered a standard. they want to replace JS with something they control. this is not standards, its bullshit. their dev model is not open source and just doesnt fit in with standards development at all. the approach is completely wrong and because of this, will fail miserably.
as for point #2, there is no way that devs are going to win them market share. there would have to be something really awesome about these apps for users to give a shit, cuz if its just a few functions and 10% performance gain, everyone will laugh. which is exactly what this is. this isnt a game dev engine lol, its a replacement web scripting language.
actually, this is very relevant since it concerns the future of web dev. http://www.2ality.com/2011/09/google-dart.html theres some truth finally. my post was filtered so theres the source. | null | 0 | 1315819544 | True | 0 | c2j9849 | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j9849 | t1_c2j9776 | null | 1427589408 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Tommstein | null | Probably has more to do with some genius deciding that Linux users were going to start using a language whose reference implementation isn't open source. | null | 0 | 1315819565 | False | 0 | c2j985f | t3_kaxjq | null | t1_c2j985f | t1_c2iup67 | null | 1427589408 | -1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | fjonk | null | > Google have stated that is a once off.
I don't care, it's not open source. Google saying they might eventually in the future make it open source doesn't mean a thing at the moment.
> It's open source, but access to the source requires you to have valid reason to access it.
That makes no sense. | null | 0 | 1315819638 | False | 0 | c2j9896 | t3_kawp5 | null | t1_c2j9896 | t1_c2j8ril | null | 1427589402 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | ObligatoryResponse | null | Sure, shocking when you completely ignore all the relevant text and just high-lite some sentence fragments. It looks less shocking when you [quote it more properly](http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/kc9ai/internal_googledocument_we_will_strongly/c2j4fex) | null | 0 | 1315819702 | False | 0 | c2j98ck | t3_kawp5 | null | t1_c2j98ck | t1_c2ivucx | null | 1427589404 | -1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | glintsCollide | null | How many number one reposts are there? | null | 0 | 1315819773 | False | 0 | c2j98ge | t3_kchtc | null | t1_c2j98ge | t1_c2j6ord | null | 1428194405 | 10 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | velit | null | having only one list doesn't mean you have to access it with my_object.lookup(location), you can perfectly well access it with my_object.lookup(y, x) and the lookup function doing the multipleD -> 1D conversion, and you would do this for the reasons i mentioned above | null | 0 | 1315819929 | False | 0 | c2j98q8 | t3_kbdgw | null | t1_c2j98q8 | t1_c2j3r7h | null | 1427589412 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Seandroid | null | Safari IS webkit. In fact Safari was influential in the DEVELOPMENT of webkit.. | null | 0 | 1315819950 | False | 0 | c2j98ra | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j98ra | t1_c2j4yq3 | null | 1427589412 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | niczar | null | Precommit hooks ... | null | 0 | 1315819985 | False | 0 | c2j98t9 | t3_kc5di | null | t1_c2j98t9 | t1_c2j5ys9 | null | 1428194404 | 11 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | niczar | null | Also, Eclipse Mylyn ... | null | 0 | 1315820004 | False | 0 | c2j98u9 | t3_kc5di | null | t1_c2j98u9 | t1_c2j3bnb | null | 1428194404 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | mitsuhiko | null | Also something useful for the Pythoneers: the unpack operator:
>>> a ,= struct.unpack('d', struct.pack('d', 42))
>>> a
42
>>> a, b ,= struct.unpack('dd', struct.pack('dd', 42, 23))
>>> a
42
>>> b
23 | null | 0 | 1315820046 | False | 0 | c2j98wh | t3_kchtc | null | t1_c2j98wh | t3_kchtc | null | 1427589414 | -3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | oSand | null | The difference is that Microsoft actively tried to break and poison things- Java, Javascript, HTML/CSS etc. Google has done no such thing; they have experimented with non-standard technologies whilst providing arguably the best standard support of any browser. Their proprietary technologies have augmented, not altered existing standards. I don't know anyone who is now compelled to use VP8, SPDY or Pepper because of Google's actions.
It's also worth mentioning that they've strongly supported the work of WHATWG to initiate new web standards that people actually want to use and have generally championed the open web.
Most web technologies have started out as propriety ones: Javascript, Canvas, Server-side events, XHR, iframes, and NPAPI | null | 0 | 1315820138 | False | 0 | c2j991a | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j991a | t1_c2j67v2 | null | 1427589423 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | ObligatoryResponse | null | Since Chromium is OSS... | null | 0 | 1315820169 | False | 0 | c2j9938 | t3_kawp5 | null | t1_c2j9938 | t1_c2j44rc | null | 1427589417 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | systay | null | I've used both git and TFS on a daily basis, and if I never have to touch TFS again I couldn't be more happy.
Try reverting a single commit that happened a few commits ago and tell me how it went. | null | 0 | 1315820186 | False | 0 | c2j994d | t3_kc5di | null | t1_c2j994d | t1_c2j8nmy | null | 1427589417 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | ObligatoryResponse | null | Google has a Dash to Javascript compiler. That's what they use to support gmail, et al on non-Chrome browsers. They're pushing to get Dash implemented in the other browsers so they can forgo the compilation to Javascript.
So, not at all like MS. When MS extended HTML (marque, etc) they didn't offer any fallback means to support other browsers. It was a "works in IE but not in anything else" situation. | null | 0 | 1315820203 | False | 0 | c2j995c | t3_kawp5 | null | t1_c2j995c | t1_c2j3lt4 | null | 1427589417 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | > Users, even those who work in IT, are not trained to critically exam an application to see if it really needs the permissions it asks for.
The idea that an application must ask for permissions (and would be terminated if denied) is stupid. Applications must live in their own virtual world and only sometimes notify user that he might want to connect some parts of this world to the real one. | null | 0 | 1315820289 | False | 0 | c2j99ab | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j99ab | t1_c2j5s3j | null | 1427589419 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | serendib | null | Time to break out the ol' knockdown macro | null | 0 | 1315820305 | False | 0 | c2j99b0 | t3_kctmn | null | t1_c2j99b0 | t3_kctmn | null | 1427589419 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
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