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True | fuzzynyanko | null | I'll have to try this in Java later. | null | 0 | 1315801246 | False | 0 | c2j7rgu | t3_kchtc | null | t1_c2j7rgu | t3_kchtc | null | 1427588713 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | batasrki | null | You mean, google engineer led HTML 5 spec? | null | 0 | 1315801337 | False | 0 | c2j7rvf | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j7rvf | t1_c2j78gi | null | 1427588718 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | shawnturner | null | TFS seems to be as useful as the people who actually understand how it works. I do believe its true many companies pay a firm to set it up, and then noone is left who actually knows how it works beyond checking in and out.
As a developer, It's one more system to at least partially learn. It would be implementation specific to determine if it's good or bad for a given project.
I strongly disliked it at first. The more time I'm forced to use it, the more productive it seems to be.
Funny how that works. | null | 0 | 1315801365 | False | 0 | c2j7rzb | t3_kc5di | null | t1_c2j7rzb | t3_kc5di | null | 1427588719 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | cdsmith | null | Feel free to start such a thing. Seriously, Google is spending a lot of money on this in return for about $0 in extra advertising revenue versus someone else doing a good job of it for them. I'm sure they'd *love* it if someone else stepped up and created a good well-designed toolable and efficient replacement for JavaScript, and got other browser vendors to buy in. The problem is, no one else has done so, and so Google is working on it. Maybe they will succeed and maybe not (note they call it a high risk project), but at least someone is trying. | null | 0 | 1315801581 | False | 0 | c2j7swj | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j7swj | t1_c2j7q0k | null | 1427588730 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | xiongchiamiov | null | Once upon a time, this guy named Zed Shaw wrote a rant. It was a rant about the Ruby on Rails community, and it was called "Rails is a Ghetto". He was pretty harsh on people, and perhaps a bit unfair, but Zed's a master at ranting - even if you know he's going overboard, it's entertaining to read.
Then Some Random Guy decided to write a blog post about some various things he finds annoying about Erlang. Now, since everyone has things they find annoying about a language, he had to make sure that people paid attention to his complaints. "A ha!", he thought. "I can use a title that reminds people of that infamous Zed Shaw rant. That'll reel them in!"
Unfortunately, proggit saw through his disguise. No upvotes for you, little man. | null | 0 | 1315801662 | False | 0 | c2j7t92 | t3_kcpdg | null | t1_c2j7t92 | t3_kcpdg | null | 1427588734 | 11 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | throwaway-o | null | Correct. | null | 0 | 1315801721 | False | 0 | c2j7ti0 | t3_kawp5 | null | t1_c2j7ti0 | t1_c2j5h2h | null | 1427588737 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | cdsmith | null | That's too bad... I use Chromium because I can't stand the bright colors in the Chrome icon (I know, silly reasons...) but I'd honestly enable the data collection if they asked for it. I'm always happy to provide information that helps software vendors who give me free cool stuff. | null | 0 | 1315801748 | False | 0 | c2j7tmc | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j7tmc | t1_c2j5qze | null | 1427588750 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
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True | hiffy | null | > a deliberate design decision
Yeah, I read something somewhere by mathowie to that affect.
I tend to disagree with the outcome – any popular thread very quickly degenerates in offtopic discussions regardless.
Unfortunately for me, I derive a lot of value from the comments, but in their current state browsing through them exacts a large opportunity cost.
I honestly think that reddit-style (… I guess slashdot inspired) threading is a whole paradigm shift in forum UI. It's not perfect, but it definitely allows for any given thread to scale much more efficiently.
In both systems the first ten or twenty people to comment dominate the discussion but in reddit land all I have to do is click "[-]" and blop! I can keep browsing other discussion branches without trying to figure who is replying to what, etc.
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ON THE OTHER HAND, reddit *does* discourage longer posts. | null | 0 | 1315801808 | False | 0 | c2j7tvm | t3_kajta | null | t1_c2j7tvm | t1_c2j5bi7 | null | 1427588747 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | It's like reading a memo from MS 10 years ago. | null | 0 | 1315802242 | False | 0 | c2j7vtf | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j7vtf | t1_c2j4fex | null | 1427588775 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | hiffy | null | > Bytecode representations for high-level languages tend to be tied to the semantics of a given language.
Can you give me examples? Turing machines being turing machines and all that. I would happily accept native support for another prototype based dynamic language without as many warts. | null | 0 | 1315802498 | False | 0 | c2j7x00 | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j7x00 | t1_c2j6fmu | null | 1427588788 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | thcobbs | null | >Google is spending a lot of money on this in return for about $0 in extra advertising revenue
Bullshit. They collect every search, click, etc and turn it in targeted adverts.
>I'm sure they'd love it if someone else stepped up and created a good well-designed toolable and efficient replacement for JavaScript
No they wouldn't because it would compete with them
> The problem is, no one else has done so, and so Google is working on it.
For their own profit.
Imagine if this wasn't google, but instead MSoft or Apple... The reddit community would be up in arms and damn near riot. | null | 0 | 1315802553 | False | 0 | c2j7x8f | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j7x8f | t1_c2j7swj | null | 1427588790 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | SuperGrade | null | Confession: I have yet to read every word in this PDF but will get around to it. . . .
What I find interesting is that they seek to define "complexity". While everyone will agree that that negative word is bad, I've had the troubling experience of seeing arguments where opposing sides claim they are avoiding it.
For example, they mention state and code volume/duplication as sources of complexity. Yet cut-paste coding and state are staples of many who call themselves programmers - and I have had them invoke the term "complexity" against the tools or techniques to the contrary. "Why you make it so complicated - just cut-paste it 6 times." or "Why you make it complicated, just use global mutable variable."
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True | albertzeyer | null | Related code: https://github.com/albertz/chromehacking | null | 0 | 1315802710 | False | 0 | c2j7xvd | t3_kcqvs | null | t1_c2j7xvd | t3_kcqvs | null | 1427588796 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | hiffy | null | >Word processing? Text editing? Image editing? Software development? Playing text adventures? Reading books? Managing a music library? Whenever I do any of these things I use a native application. Sure — there are web-based alternatives — but they come up severely short with respect to functionality and are, for the most part, relatively niche.
Bullshit.
>Word processing? Text editing?
You could pass college easily without ever using Word.
> Image editing?
For 90% of users we're there already.
> Software development?
Talk about niche activities
> Playing text adventures? Reading books? Managing a music library?
Have you played [telehack](http://telehack.com/)? Did you know there's a Kindle web client now? I've met a number of people who basically only use Grooveshark and Youtube for music.
> I simply can’t imagine anything with respect to which a web app would be more functional — on my iPhone or on my desktop — than a native app.
For anything not computation heavy (i.e. 90% of your non gaming activities) we're *almost* there as it is in both iPhones and desktops.
In five years, you'll be able to get away with writing immensely complicated and responsive javascript apps. It's just so clearly *the future*, and it will be here hella fast. | null | 0 | 1315802931 | False | 0 | c2j7ysf | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j7ysf | t1_c2j4z0k | null | 1427588806 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | kampangptlk | null | Meh, you should see asian elevators then. Asian building must not contain number 4, so there's no 4, 13, 14, and so on. | null | 0 | 1315802934 | False | 0 | c2j7ysu | t3_kbdgw | null | t1_c2j7ysu | t1_c2j1p6m | null | 1427588807 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | kcin | null | Well, I find the Eclipse interface clumsy, I'm an Emacs guy, so if it allows me to combine the advanced language support of Eclipse with the power of the Emacs interface then it's the best of both worlds for me. | null | 0 | 1315803083 | False | 0 | c2j7zhh | t3_kbz68 | null | t1_c2j7zhh | t1_c2j4f0v | null | 1427588825 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1315803244 | False | 0 | c2j806b | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j806b | t1_c2j4k7z | null | 1427588830 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | cdsmith | null | You don't seem to have understood anything I said. Google doesn't make any more money if the JavaScript alternative is the one they designed versus the one someone else defined. They don't make any more money if you click an ad in Firefox than if you click it in Chrome. Your economic model is wrong. Google isn't selling Chrome, and they aren't selling a programming language. They are selling advertising on the web, and their goal here is to get more people using the web. They have no reason to care whether people are using Chrome or Dash or whatever to do it. They make those things for just one reason: by making people's experience more pleasant on the web, people are less likely to welcome closed, proprietary applications like iOS apps that compete against the web (and where Google has far less advertiser market share).
I don't even know how to respond to that last bit. Actually, there are plenty of times when Microsoft or Apple have implemented a new web technology, it turned out to be helpful, and people have encouraged its implementation in other web browsers, too, and the web has benefited greatly from it. For example, AJAX came about that way. A lot of the current JavaScript event model and modern CSS came about that way. No one dislikes these things just because they were originally implemented as proprietary extensions by single web browser vendors. | null | 0 | 1315803491 | False | 0 | c2j814m | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j814m | t1_c2j7x8f | null | 1427588841 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | greendude | null | there's a good chance that if you believe that, that you don't really know what open source is.
look up precisely the differences between GPL and Apache. AOSP is open source, but not copyleft. | null | 0 | 1315803679 | False | 0 | c2j81vj | t3_kawp5 | null | t1_c2j81vj | t1_c2j6psq | null | 1427588848 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1315803949 | False | 0 | c2j82zk | t3_kc5di | null | t1_c2j82zk | t1_c2j3lpl | null | 1427588862 | 10 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | fatnino | null | today i updated firefox on one of my neglected machines. when it started again, firefox said that flash was out of date, pretty standard fare. then the link it provided to get flash from had a check box (prechecked) to also install a side of chrome with your flash order. ಠ_ಠ | null | 0 | 1315804312 | False | 0 | c2j84ff | t3_kawp5 | null | t1_c2j84ff | t1_c2j4vut | null | 1427588881 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | xpda | null | Quicksilver? | null | 0 | 1315804314 | False | 0 | c2j84fp | t3_kc0k4 | null | t1_c2j84fp | t1_c2j1pk7 | null | 1427588881 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | vagif | null | It's funny (and telling) how a language that tries to avoid success at all costs (haskell) is at #35 while language that tries (too hard) to be successful lingers at #50.
Scala's main target is java programmers. And it is clear by now, that java programmers largely did not swallow the bait.
Heck even here on reddit, r/scala has only 1600 subscribers whereas haskell more than 7000. Even r/clojure (abomination in the eyes of java programmers with its lisp syntax) has more subscribers.
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True | rizla7 | null | there have been bugs which persisted for months. which version of IE is questionable, during what timeframes also, but the fact remains: i don't if it work in ie9 but not in ie8. it should work in all. i develop sites that are backward compatible across all 5 browsers, several versions... it's just people who like to use the latest features of the spec, some of which isnt even yet complete and then complain that it isnt supported yet. | null | 0 | 1315804723 | False | 0 | c2j8604 | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j8604 | t1_c2j7gso | null | 1427588903 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | slyf | null | Oh wow, how did I never think of that | null | 0 | 1315804946 | False | 0 | c2j86v0 | t3_kchtc | null | t1_c2j86v0 | t3_kchtc | null | 1427588912 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | quatch | null | > >
I can't differentiate between the two greens on the screen one.
>
>Note: The screen version now only has 1 green.
>
>Can you give me a specific example, so I know exactly where to look please? Thanks.
In the legend, the highlight for the two words in green appears to be slightly different greens.
Again, awesome work.
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True | munificent | null | That's small potatoes. ES5 strict mode takes care of that. | null | 0 | 1315805139 | False | 0 | c2j87m9 | t3_kawp5 | null | t1_c2j87m9 | t1_c2j3vkv | null | 1427588922 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | pnettle | null | Um what?
Open source from a big company allows patent trolls to easily see what their code does EXACTLY. This opens you up for a lot of patent lawsuits for code related things that normally are extremely hard to show that someone did. Someone patentend something similar to a linked list recently, its EASY to show a data structure was used if you have code. If you don't? Its a lot harder.
Plus based on the code that interacts with hardware they can get better ideas of what the hardware is doing. Part of the reason a lot of the video card companies fought so hard not to release open source drivers themselves. | null | 0 | 1315805198 | False | 0 | c2j87ty | t3_kawp5 | null | t1_c2j87ty | t1_c2j7r09 | null | 1427588925 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | MatrixFrog | null | Good point. Okay, how about the way there's no "int" type? So you have to do floating-point arithmetic, even when all you really want is integer arithmetic. Although IIRC some JS engines even handle that by using ints behind the scenes for certain numbers. | null | 0 | 1315805320 | False | 0 | c2j88av | t3_kawp5 | null | t1_c2j88av | t1_c2j87m9 | null | 1427588931 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | rizla7 | null | how do you figure? of course IE is a more powerful browser in every regard. if you've ever worked for a large company you would know this: GPO support, zones, sandboxing, filtering, locked-down configs, etc... if you were an admin you'd know how to leverage them all... the fact that it doesn't support a few of the latest LAYOUT features means nothing. real devs dont care about rounded corners and shit. btw, read a bit about ie10 and how so far it is the most compliant html5/css3 browser. not the platform preview, but the internal test builds. | null | 0 | 1315805337 | False | 0 | c2j88cq | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j88cq | t1_c2j7mvg | null | 1427588931 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | -whileone- | null | they are up to version 3 of the draft. it's not clear what exactly chrome implements, google hasn't (afaik) said, this draft is good, go forth and implement. | null | 0 | 1315805365 | False | 0 | c2j88gt | t3_kawp5 | null | t1_c2j88gt | t1_c2j7isl | null | 1427588933 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1315805365 | False | 0 | c2j88h2 | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j88h2 | t3_kc9ai | null | 1427588933 | -1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1315805415 | False | 0 | c2j88nc | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j88nc | t1_c2j4fex | null | 1427588935 | -3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | lessthanthreereddit | null | Why? | null | 0 | 1315805561 | False | 0 | c2j898i | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j898i | t1_c2j4jws | null | 1427588944 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | tsujiku | null | I certainly do, and the difference was astounding. While it might take several seconds (certainly a noticeable period of time) for Firefox to start, Chrome would start up into a useable state in less than a second.
Meanwhile rendering pages on Firefox felt slow and sluggish, while on Chrome the experience seemed much smoother (although I admit this is a much more subjective measure. In theory, you would be able to find a copy of Chrome and Firefox from those days and measure objectively the differences in rendering and start up time for each. Feel free to tell me if my memory is mistaken.) | null | 0 | 1315805742 | False | 0 | c2j89y0 | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j89y0 | t1_c2j6r19 | null | 1427588952 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1315805747 | False | 0 | c2j89yv | t3_kchtc | null | t1_c2j89yv | t3_kchtc | null | 1427588952 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | foobeans | null | If you have to write an article that is basically "no wait! I swear its easy to learn.", then its not easy to learn. | null | 0 | 1315805899 | False | 0 | c2j8aj9 | t3_k5d4v | null | t1_c2j8aj9 | t3_k5d4v | null | 1427588960 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | washort | null | ECMAScript 5, for one. ECMAScript 6 is will be another, soon. (If you haven't looked at [the stuff that's coming in this version](http://wiki.ecmascript.org/doku.php?id=harmony:proposals) then you really should - Google's Dart/Dash project will have to be pretty awesome to be a clear winner over this.) | null | 0 | 1315805924 | False | 0 | c2j8amz | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j8amz | t1_c2j6er9 | null | 1427588961 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | washort | null | Java and Python and C#/CLR are the obvious examples. | null | 0 | 1315805972 | False | 0 | c2j8at8 | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j8at8 | t1_c2j7x00 | null | 1427588963 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | rizla7 | null | noone cares about rgba. seriously. border radius? screw that.. box shadow? lol... these are all gimmicks. if you had said something like SVG support (prior to ie9).. maybe you'da deserved at least some credit... but then again, barely anyone uses SVG so who cares. IE's dx filters are way more powerful, but granted, not standards compliant. who cares: you're talking about gimmicks. a feature that actually makes sense like writing-mode will not be implemented in gecko/webkit for a few months still. its the only way to actually do vertical text. rotate+transform don't set the bounding box, hence fail... seriously, if you've ever been in the publishing business, you'd find vertical text used infrequently, but rounded corners? have you ever seen a newspaper with rounded corners? it is called 'web publishing' <- concerning layout, etc...
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True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1315806106 | False | 0 | c2j8bb6 | t3_kawp5 | null | t1_c2j8bb6 | t1_c2j75gs | null | 1427588970 | -1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | hiffy | null | Are they? JRuby seems to work mostly OK.
I mean, how are they so closely coupled? What's the mechanism here? | null | 0 | 1315806116 | False | 0 | c2j8bcn | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j8bcn | t1_c2j8at8 | null | 1427588970 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | muuh-gnu | null | > All other licenses.
All other licenses, say BSD, MIT, Apache, Artistic to name a few, exist solely to enable proprietary forks. GPL-like licenses like CDDL have been created solely with the intent to prevent code sharing with the GPL bubble. | null | 0 | 1315806196 | False | 0 | c2j8bn3 | t3_kbbbu | null | t1_c2j8bn3 | t1_c2j4jgz | null | 1427588975 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Sfork | null | Chrome gets laggy for no reason also. | null | 0 | 1315806219 | False | 0 | c2j8bqs | t3_kawp5 | null | t1_c2j8bqs | t1_c2j4vut | null | 1427588976 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | LtArson | null | Ah, I see. I was correct when I surmised that you were designing geocities pages. All bare text. You've probably never written a web app in your life, where things need to be dynamic (AJAX, javascript) and attractive (CSS). | null | 0 | 1315806224 | False | 0 | c2j8bro | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j8bro | t1_c2j8b5a | null | 1427588977 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | LuxNocte | null | This is why I always ready my torch first. If the monster turns out not to be entirely evil, you can roast marshmallows! | null | 0 | 1315806341 | False | 0 | c2j8c8m | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j8c8m | t1_c2j7h9m | null | 1427588982 | 29 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | sidneyc | null | Well, I don't know if it's the case, but lying about the motivations could be a way to prevent unrest at a technologically bad, marketing-driven decision among the programmers.
I don't work at Google but I would be pretty flipped off at a policy that threatens web homogeneity, and much more so if the admitted reason was to become a technology monopolist. | null | 0 | 1315806437 | False | 0 | c2j8cm0 | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j8cm0 | t1_c2j5gvj | null | 1427588988 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | omnilynx | null | Nice, but of course "x --> a" only works if a < x. | null | 0 | 1315806577 | False | 0 | c2j8d32 | t3_kchtc | null | t1_c2j8d32 | t3_kchtc | null | 1427588999 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | JohannQ | null | "Don't be evil" originally was just used internally though... and just "invented" for that purpose. | null | 0 | 1315806946 | False | 0 | c2j8eet | t3_kawp5 | null | t1_c2j8eet | t1_c2j4z1w | null | 1427589011 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | eras | null | Indeed. And if that's not mentioned, maybe there are even greater things that go unmentioned!
Well, maybe not.
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True | rizla7 | null | dude, they only became available earlier this year... :\ | null | 0 | 1315807888 | False | 0 | c2j8hmi | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j8hmi | t1_c2j7c90 | null | 1427589052 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | masklinn | null | You know who tried to do the same in the late 90s? Microsoft, with ActiveX. They pushed really hard for other browsers to adopt their open standard, so that plugins would become scriptable.
Also, Visual Basic Script. In fact, MS's push for VBS as a standard browser scripting mechanism is the whole reason why JS had to be built in 10 days. | null | 0 | 1315808357 | False | 0 | c2j8j6h | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j8j6h | t1_c2j4tk9 | null | 1427589073 | -1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | I see. So it's OK to be intellectually dishonest as long as you make a joke about it? andralex (the OP) submitted a link to further the popularity of D based on what he knows to be meaningless. If that's not intellectually dishonest... | null | 0 | 1315808414 | False | 0 | c2j8jdp | t3_kaxjq | null | t1_c2j8jdp | t1_c2j521n | null | 1427589075 | -7 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | masklinn | null | Google-engineer-led does not mean Google is the sole input to the spec. | null | 0 | 1315808510 | False | 0 | c2j8joj | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j8joj | t1_c2j7rvf | null | 1427589079 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | masklinn | null | > In other words, this is like using Coffeescript to write your client-side code.
No. The first and main target of Dash is to run in Chrome, natively. The second target is a (likely restricted) compiler for a few applications Google thinks it can throw bones at people about/for.
> This is an obvious move - if you're designing a new standard
They're not designing a new standard anymore than Microsoft was when they built ActiveX and VBS (and they did try to get those into browsers). | null | 0 | 1315808703 | False | 0 | c2j8ka5 | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j8ka5 | t1_c2j5tti | null | 1427589087 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | munificent | null | > Good point. Okay, how about the way there's no "int" type?
Numeric types in a dynamically typed language is surprisingly hard to get right. (Case in point, take a look at some of the evolution Python has had in that area.)
Always doing floating point is a pain if you're coming from a statically-typed or lower-level language background (and is definitely the semantics you want in some cases). But if you *don't* come from that background, then the semantics they imply are utterly baffling to you. Try asking your non-technical friend what "5 divided by 2" is. Then ask them what "5.0 divided by 2.0" is.
JavaScript was designed to be friendly to users like that, so "floating point" always isn't *that* bad of a choice. What would you propose instead?
> Although IIRC some JS engines even handle that by using ints behind the scenes for certain numbers.
Yeah, V8 has "SMI"s which are unboxed integers that it uses when it knows it's safe to do so, but the user-visible semantics are always "floating-point everywhere". SMIs are an implementation detail. | null | 0 | 1315808918 | False | 0 | c2j8kx2 | t3_kawp5 | null | t1_c2j8kx2 | t1_c2j88av | null | 1427589096 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | dleary | null | They are already doing this with Native Client, which currently supports a subset of actual native code as a 'bytecode', and is slated to support llvm bitcode for true portability. | null | 0 | 1315808949 | False | 0 | c2j8l17 | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j8l17 | t1_c2j62f5 | null | 1427589097 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | fokov | null | If support or sales are in the building, at least one dev or real dev mgmt needs to be there. If for only the purpose of controlling fires. | null | 0 | 1315809029 | False | 0 | c2j8lak | t3_k9z9s | null | t1_c2j8lak | t1_c2ivewj | null | 1427589101 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | bonzinip | null | GCC stands for GNU Compiler Collection. Right now it supports C, C++, Java, Ada, Go, Objective-C. Other front-ends (at least D and Pascal) are available out of tree. | null | 0 | 1315809113 | False | 0 | c2j8ljn | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j8ljn | t1_c2j7gi6 | null | 1427589106 | 7 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | harsman | null | 24 has improved support, but deftheme and provide-theme is in Emacs 23 as well. It might even be in 22, I haven't checked. It really is a feature of custom.el, not something related to just colors. See here: http://www.gnu.org/software/libtool/manual/emacs/Custom-Themes.html | null | 0 | 1315809360 | False | 0 | c2j8m97 | t3_kbz68 | null | t1_c2j8m97 | t1_c2j3zer | null | 1427589114 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | hackinthebochs | null | This is wrong. Openness is an all or nothing proposition. It's just when marketers get a hold of the idea, then it becomes degrees of openness so they can say well we're more open than those guys. It's a subtle trick to get credit for being "open" while at the same time being completely closed where it actually matters.
It's like how the word freedom used to be all or nothing, but now its degrees. "They hate us for our *freedoms*" was a common line from Bush. Freedom can now be enumerated, and thus some can be taken away while still claiming to be "free". It's subtle. | null | 0 | 1315809470 | False | 0 | c2j8mlc | t3_kawp5 | null | t1_c2j8mlc | t1_c2j7czh | null | 1427589119 | -5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | RobotBuddha | null | >They publish a "spec" but in reality the code is the spec, and since launching it they have made zero real effort to make it a true open standard.
On that one, I think the same could be said of webkit. And that's turned out pretty well. | null | 0 | 1315809531 | False | 0 | c2j8mrm | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j8mrm | t1_c2j67v2 | null | 1427589120 | -2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | MatrixFrog | null | > What would you propose instead?
I certainly don't think I'm smart enough to come up with my own language, because I have no idea what I would propose, among other reasons. Python has the same goal of being easy to use for beginners but it also ends up being confusing for more experienced developers sometimes.
I only brought up this issue because one of Google's claims is that JavaScript has "inherent performance problems" so I'm doing my best to guess specifically what they mean by that. This *might* be one of the things they mean, and if it is, they have some tough choices to make about how they're going to support integer arithmetic without violating the principle of least surprise with the "5/2" situation.
On the other hand, as you say, they've managed to do that already in some cases while maintaining "floating-point everywhere" semantics. So maybe this isn't what they mean.
I really don't know what they mean, I'm just speculating. It will be interesting to see what they come up with... | null | 0 | 1315809607 | False | 0 | c2j8mzn | t3_kawp5 | null | t1_c2j8mzn | t1_c2j8kx2 | null | 1427589123 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | MatrixFrog | null | I happen to like when memes leak into non-meme-based reddits, but I still downvoted this because:
putStr "\n" | null | 0 | 1315809693 | False | 0 | c2j8n96 | t3_k90mr | null | t1_c2j8n96 | t3_k90mr | null | 1427589127 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | user741 | null | > to take someones code and leave the freedom bubble
I've never understood what exactly is wrong with that. As it's been said time and time again on reddit, *sharing* ≠ *theft*. It's not like you lose ownership of the code when someone uses it in their application and doesn't release the source of the whole application afterwards. | null | 0 | 1315809710 | False | 0 | c2j8nau | t3_kbbbu | null | t1_c2j8nau | t1_c2j2eb0 | null | 1427589127 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | pnettle | null | 'optimally' != 'necessary'
Besides which monopoly is STILL a shitty word for this. A monopoly on what? The browser that can optimally view their sites? Its not a monopoly on ANYTHING. | null | 0 | 1315809762 | False | 0 | c2j8ngh | t3_kawp5 | null | t1_c2j8ngh | t1_c2j8bb6 | null | 1427589139 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | littleendian | null | Personally I find the "drama queens" to be the least productive members of a team. Good developers spot problems and get them fixed without making a lot of noise.
> Using TFS **looks** ...
I use both git and TFS on a daily basis both do their job very well and neither gets in the way.
DVCS's are clearly the future but that doesn't equate to everything else being unusable. | null | 0 | 1315809825 | False | 0 | c2j8nmy | t3_kc5di | null | t1_c2j8nmy | t1_c2j55aw | null | 1427589133 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | thenuge26 | null | Pretty sure the CLR is closed source, so good luck with that.
The JVM on the other hand... | null | 0 | 1315810460 | False | 0 | c2j8pfq | t3_kawp5 | null | t1_c2j8pfq | t1_c2iy080 | null | 1428194410 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Shaper_pmp | null | Fair point - perhaps "propaganda" would have been a better choice of word. | null | 0 | 1315810476 | False | 0 | c2j8phb | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j8phb | t1_c2j5mrd | null | 1428194412 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | drgath | null | Tweaking your prefixed -box-shadow CSS3 property is one thing. Adding a whole new runtime into the browser is another. Dash and NativeClient are not, and will likely never be W3C/WHATWG recommendations. As such, they have no business being inside of a web browser, and they especially shouldn't [be touted](http://chrome.blogspot.com/2011/08/building-better-web-apps-with-new.html) as a way to enhance your [web app](http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/complete/). | null | 0 | 1315810552 | False | 0 | c2j8poh | t3_kawp5 | null | t1_c2j8poh | t1_c2j5yl6 | null | 1427589169 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | rizla7 | null | dude, i dont even have to argue with you. your vocabulary and breadth of knowledge in this regard is clearly inferior. stop trying to fool people, put it on your resume, hope someone cares. 'dynamic' lol... 'ajax'... lmfao... | null | 0 | 1315810591 | False | 0 | c2j8psg | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j8psg | t1_c2j8bro | null | 1427589159 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | CCSS | null | I think the lack of developers is a case of natural selection at work | null | 0 | 1315811067 | False | 0 | c2j8r0z | t3_kctmn | null | t1_c2j8r0z | t3_kctmn | null | 1427589176 | 58 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Gotebe | null | Of course, I didn't want to say that there is a better alternative.
It's just... Understanding that:
1. there's memory leaks in GC environments
2. GC environments do less for your WRT all other resource management than e.g. C++ or D.
is paramount to using GC environments well. | null | 0 | 1315811179 | False | 0 | c2j8rb1 | t3_k8gr4 | null | t1_c2j8rb1 | t1_c2izwrr | null | 1427589182 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | rizla7 | null | meh, i wouldn't want any 'standards' from mozilla. they cant even implement the w3c standards, and keep reiterating that their implementation is the correct one, when it obviously is not in some cases. not to mention their misleading marketing 'safer, faster' browsing experience. lol, both are fantasies. | null | 0 | 1315811214 | False | 0 | c2j8re7 | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j8re7 | t1_c2j5x5q | null | 1427589184 | -2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Dislexsick | null | Statistical outlier.
Google have stated that is a once off. If it continues, we have cause for concern. Furthermore, any manufacturer in the Open Handset Alliance can indeed get the source code.
It's open source, but access to the source requires you to have valid reason to access it. | null | 0 | 1315811269 | False | 0 | c2j8ril | t3_kawp5 | null | t1_c2j8ril | t1_c2j6psq | null | 1427589187 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1315811295 | False | 0 | c2j8rkx | t3_kctmn | null | t1_c2j8rkx | t3_kctmn | null | 1427589196 | -6 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | sod1864 | null | What I wouldn't like to see is the repeat of Microsoft. Where if you are not on their platform, then you are treated as a second class citizen (if you are lucky).
We are already starting to see this in their iPad applications. All of Googles iPad web applications are broken or usability is poor. Well below par what I've come to expect from Google.
Even when so many complained about bad Web Search UI they added a "classic" link back to the real site. Except that it doesn't remember you picked that, and the link is at the bottom of the page. Making it a useless option.
So if they plan to make a great new standard, well and good. But please don't lets have a repeat of the last 10-15 years in stifling of innovation. | null | 0 | 1315811302 | False | 0 | c2j8rld | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j8rld | t3_kc9ai | null | 1427589196 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | bigfig | null | After embracing distributed computing (remember "The Network is the Computer") Sun ran away from it, which was odd because that was what they pushed for so long. Maybe it was due to the polluted jre that Microsoft was pushing onto the PC at the time, and they didn't have the cash to fight back with marketing and client side development. Not sure but what a complete turnaround. | null | 0 | 1315811314 | False | 0 | c2j8rmo | t3_kbdp7 | null | t1_c2j8rmo | t1_c2j6k44 | null | 1427589196 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | othermaciej | null | 1. It's been about 2 years since Google's acquisition of On2 and a year since they announced WebM. Since then, they haven't submitted it to a standards body.
2. It may be labeled an experiment but Chrome uses it to talk to google.com servers, by default. That's production use by anyone's standard, surely? When IE used a special faster protocol to talk to IIS, that certainly got more attention.
3. The NPAPI is standardized by the informal plugin-futures group.
As for your final point - you say that Google wants to develop complete products before they release things. But all the things we are talking about are already released. So by your definition, they must be complete. Heck, in many cases they are in end-to-end production use. But Google doesn't seem interested in actually bringing them to standards bodies.
I am not sure you are familiar with how standards work. I have been very involved with the W3C for about a decade now, so let me explain a bit. Standards groups don't generally attempt a "hostile takeover" of someone's existing nonstandard technology. Sometimes that happens, but it's not usually a good basis for building a standard, if you don't have the vendor's cooperation. Furthermore, standards groups don't usually like it when you bring them a complete, finalized soution as a fait accompli at a point where it is too late to make changes because it is already in use in production. The point of the open standards process is to give everyone a say in the direction of the technology. Google is definitely not behaving as a good Web standards citizen here. That is there right, but it is also fair to call them on it.
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True | othermaciej | null | In fact, it definitely isn't, and the editor of HTML5 started it long before he worked for Google. I do give Google credit for paying him to continue the work. | null | 0 | 1315811379 | False | 0 | c2j8rt9 | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j8rt9 | t1_c2j8joj | null | 1427589199 | 8 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | danuker | null | Here's a valid reason: curiosity. | null | 0 | 1315811396 | False | 0 | c2j8rux | t3_kawp5 | null | t1_c2j8rux | t1_c2j8ril | null | 1427589199 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | clintm | null | Someone who loves oop giving his opinion. No biggie. | null | 0 | 1315811451 | False | 0 | c2j8s0d | t3_kc5gh | null | t1_c2j8s0d | t1_c2j6eaz | null | 1427589192 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | othermaciej | null | WebKit is a big pile of code that implements other standards. I'm not sure how you would "make it a true open standard". (Incidentally I happen to be one of the earliest contributors to the WebKit project.) Gecko (the engine inside Firefox) has an independent implementation of many of the same standards. As a result, the same content works in both out of the box. That's the difference between open standards and open source in a nutshell. | null | 0 | 1315811504 | False | 0 | c2j8s52 | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j8s52 | t1_c2j8mrm | null | 1427589194 | 10 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | othermaciej | null | CLR and JVM are fairly tied to the semantics of C# and Java respectively. Languages that are successful on the JVM either adopt a lot of the semantics of C#/Java (mainly the object model), or they have poorly performing default implementations, or they have no non-JVM/CLR implementation in the first place. | null | 0 | 1315811648 | False | 0 | c2j8shz | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j8shz | t1_c2j6ina | null | 1427589201 | 10 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | othermaciej | null | Different Turing-equivalent machines are equivalent up to a polynomial factor of performance. In other words, yes, you can build any language on top of any sufficiently general VM, but that doesn't mean it's going to be as fast as it could be. | null | 0 | 1315811712 | False | 0 | c2j8snv | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j8snv | t1_c2j7x00 | null | 1427589204 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | sod1864 | null | That is Wikimedia traffic analysis. It is not reflective of the whole internet.
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True | [deleted] | null | Do you mean to imply that
def
section_link(name,options)
if options[:action] ==
@current_action and
options[:controller] ==
@current_controller
link_to(name, options),
:class => 'on') else
link_to(name,options)
end end
is not idiomatic Ruby!!? | null | 0 | 1315811785 | False | 0 | c2j8sup | t3_kcnuw | null | t1_c2j8sup | t1_c2j7guo | null | 1427589204 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | monotux | null | http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/CoffeeMode | null | 0 | 1315811792 | False | 0 | c2j8svb | t3_kbz68 | null | t1_c2j8svb | t1_c2j31wx | null | 1427589204 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Kaerigan | null | Yeah, ok, maybe not Perl. | null | 0 | 1315811904 | False | 0 | c2j8t58 | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j8t58 | t1_c2j5ljr | null | 1427589206 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | How so? | null | 0 | 1315811959 | False | 0 | c2j8t9w | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j8t9w | t1_c2j5n0i | null | 1427589209 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | sod1864 | null | > I'm far from being a Google fan boy but I agree with their analysis of the state of JavaScript.
There isn't any. Just insinuation, but no substance. ( I would certainly like to read it, if it is mentioned elsewhere). | null | 0 | 1315812034 | True | 0 | c2j8th2 | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j8th2 | t1_c2j4hjd | null | 1427589209 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1315812169 | True | 0 | c2j8try | t3_kawp5 | null | t1_c2j8try | t1_c2j8ngh | null | 1427589214 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1315812351 | False | 0 | c2j8u7i | t3_kawp5 | null | t1_c2j8u7i | t1_c2j5yju | null | 1427589219 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | FredFnord | null | Laugh? I nearly started. | null | 0 | 1315812558 | False | 0 | c2j8up5 | t3_kchtc | null | t1_c2j8up5 | t3_kchtc | null | 1427589224 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | mrargh | null | Why would code ever be committed to trunk?!?!?!?!? Use branches and then merge down complete units of development. | null | 0 | 1315812559 | False | 0 | c2j8up9 | t3_kc5di | null | t1_c2j8up9 | t1_c2j44jb | null | 1427589224 | -2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | mrargh | null | Which is why you review a diff after the merge, and run your full suite of automated tests. | null | 0 | 1315812849 | False | 0 | c2j8ve9 | t3_kc5di | null | t1_c2j8ve9 | t1_c2j3x0m | null | 1427589233 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | syranex | null | a.) No. I'm not going to waste my time on this because the original was bad.
b.) The title is misleading, at first I thought you were saying that SWG was the Original MMORPG, as in the first MMORPG. | null | 0 | 1315812905 | False | 0 | c2j8viw | t3_kctmn | null | t1_c2j8viw | t3_kctmn | null | 1427589235 | -41 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | rizla7 | null | well, soon you won't have to be second-class because all tablets will run windows 8. no more 'mobile' operating system. | null | 0 | 1315812919 | False | 0 | c2j8vju | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2j8vju | t1_c2j8rld | null | 1427589235 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | mrargh | null | No, but it is a productivity drain. I'll stick with best of breed where I don't have to deal with crap like that. | null | 0 | 1315813016 | False | 0 | c2j8vri | t3_kc5di | null | t1_c2j8vri | t1_c2j604h | null | 1427589238 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
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