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marssaxman
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I worked at Microsoft for a year and a half, and so we had to use TFS. "Development grinds to a halt" is a pretty good way to describe what happened when the TFS server crashed, which it did with distressing frequency.
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creasetoph
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When i started i used to like to make dumb ass programs in c++ that calculated your gayness, depending on your name, age and girlfriend history. Then i would just do some stupid calculations and multiply by like 10^9 and output "your_name_var is %8000000000 gay!!!. It was dumb i know but just having the power to do that i loved. I never stopped loving programming from then and now its been my carrer for the last 2 years. Yea for programming!!
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MarshallBanana
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Did you have an actual point you wanted to make? Something that would actually bring the discussion forward?
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cdsmith
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Really? I think the pace of development on Google+ is much, much higher than your average web application. If you count the mobile application updates as well, they're consistently pushing multiple significant improvements per week into their releases.
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the-cakeboss
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But I don't see the problem... The technology community is in my opinion far more logical than the "markets" in general, and with that being the case, the technology community will move to tools that ultimately better serve them. If Dart is the incorrect tool as you say, I'm sure all the smart people actually using these tools will be able to realize this and not use it. There's nothing forcing anyone to use Dart. I don't see how this is any way different than when Microsoft came out with Silverlight. If I'm missing something, please let me know...
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StrangeWill
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Sure, but the guy also complains about spending _days_ trying to get Java tests working, or being unable to let CSRs fill out bug reports because of the junky, slow, complicated bug reporting system. I mean he says it wants to hold our hand, but it just seems like VSS (according to all the restrictions and complaints) + A crap bug tracker + a crap CI server all in one.. it really seems like a severed hand I can drag around with me as I develop. Go Git/SVN (Or definitely Perforce) + Redmine + TeamCity and you're much better off (+ LDAP support all the way!) As for a system that sounds like VSS: Yeah, we run VSS, we practically can't effectively branch because of it, it makes development our development cycle _terrible_.
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roerd
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Yes, and the real reason why they could make incompatible changes was that these are language standards instead of languages defined by their implementation - therefore implementers could continue supporting the old languages. For all I know, Pascal was always much more popular for practical programming than the later Wirth languages.
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why would you discourage me from commenting? Maybe I wanted you all to know I was saving it ;_;
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igouy
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I don't see that your comment has done anything to make whatever [ErstwhileRockstar](http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/kcwx2/google_dart_to_ultimately_replace_javascript/c2jc6y7) means less ambiguous.
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the-cakeboss
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And we should stick to these standards at the expense of new, potentially superior technologies?
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StrangeWill
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What CI server did you use? We use TeamCity and build errors are straight forward, and e-mailed to developers who recently checked in changes. Of course TeamCity config can get fun, auto-deploys and Java ANT builds require some XML, but they do a lot of things for me and are a page of XML at the most... and I'm the only one that does them and when it's set up it works flawlessly from there on.
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There's no reason to write software in C++ anymore. Haskell is superior in every way.
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marssaxman
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> The more those tools do, the more time you have to write code that actually makes money. This only holds true if the tools do their jobs well and have a user interface that works the way the developers do. When I had to use TFS, I very much felt like I had to "jack with their vc/build/bug software all day", and it *sucked*. I forget the exact details but there turned out to be something critically broken in the way it handled diffs, such that you could blow away someone else's changes if they didn't happen to be present in your file at the time you did a checkout, without ever having any clue that the other person's changes existed! It was a booby-trapped nightmare.
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LOL thanks for the inspiration!
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nascent
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Yeah, Lua and D work really well together [LuaD](https://github.com/JakobOvrum/LuaD) :D
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smcameron
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Another one: for i goes from 100 to zero on a rocket: int i; for (i = 100; 0 <=~~~~~~-- i ;) printf("i = %d\n", i);
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Someone lost it in a bar.
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marssaxman
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No pain? No pain?? Dude. I'm glad your experience has been so much better than mine was. I would probably pass on a job offer if I found out it was a TFS shop.
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I used TFS for bug tracking before. It's not that complicated. I think most trouble developers have with Microsoft tools is that they don't understand the "Microsoft way". It's a different mind set with slightly different goals. It's not 100% compatible with those "learn'ed" in the UNIX way. The Microsoft Way * Use tools with deep feature sets and fine polish. Don't get hung up on trying to implement missing features. You're not a tools developer; you're a %X developer. Focus on %X. * Use tools that are backed with corporate support so you don't waste time scanning google and forums. * Use tools with easy integration: think "Visual Studio + SQL Server + Excel + PowerPoint". * Package your software with everything it needs to run. Include dependent .DLLs. * Speed of development is critical. Missing market opportunity is the most expensive loss. In fact, it can destroy a company. * Simplicity in the development process is more important than design simplicity. You can always rewrite code, but you cannot recoup lost time. * When development is simple, rewriting code (*a.k.a. refactoring*) is also simple. * Focus on business logic. That's what earns the company money, not support and glue tools. * You should be able to setup within 5 minutes and be off and running with your software. * You should be able to prototype a quick mockup in 1 hour or less. * Reports, diagrams, charts, statistics. Visualizing progress and code quality is key.
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reddit_clone
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Scheme or Lua would be great.
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cdsmith
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> another reason would be if you needed an uber thin sql layer where statement latency is the only interesting metric See the bullet point indicating they've added unlogged tables for ephemeral data. That will greatly reduce the set of circumstances where you might have avoided PostgreSQL because you didn't need your data to be safe.
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clintm
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I guess I can somewhat understand his view. I remember being... dazzled? by oop and thinking it was the only right way to design software at one time. Maybe I'm completely off, or maybe it's just me, but I think it's a natural part of the evolution of a programmer to fall in love with something they might have worked hard to understand and use correctly only to discover something more complicated or fundamental at a later time and be just as much or more enamored with that. Then again, maybe I'm full of shit.
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reddit_clone
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Will you give it up and go home? Nice trolling overall though. Aren't you tired by now?
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StrangeWill
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>I used TFS for bug tracking before. It's not that complicated. Are you a developer or a CSR? >The Microsoft Way Meh, I'm used to it with various newer technologies, and was excited to hear about TFS, but from the complaints (especially with their version control system) I pretty much don't care for it (we're still stuck on VSS, so "Microsoft polish" my ass, heh). Microsoft ease of integration and development speed can't be beat generally, but sometimes I feel like my hands are tied and _quality_ suffers because of it. Weak branching means that a big feature set can hold back bug fixes and it drives me crazy when I can hot-patch a minor issue but we can't because our trunk (for in VSS there is effectively only one, or a million merge problems) isn't stable. A lot of their analysis tools can't be beat though, especially in VS 2010 (thanks for bringing MDI back), I just wish the application didn't hang so often (what did they do to it?!).
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Chaoslab
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Your Free! To do as well tell you!
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javacodegeeks
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Prior throwing accusations about Java Code Geeks "stealing" content, you should learn how to read! The original author is a JCG (Java Code Geek - http://www.javacodegeeks.com/p/jcg.html) - as clearly stated at the end of the article - thus is part of a Java developer community that is committed to share their knowledge and experiences so as to help each other. As with all of our JCG members we have granted full privilege to republish and promote every article they write that we believe is valuable to the rest of the JCG community. Furthermore we (the Java Code Geeks community founders) are Java developers ourselves and have contributed first (and still contributing) with high quality articles. That is the reason that we do not want to simply maintain a link aggregator site but a site that will host the most valuable content for the Java developers community. On top of that by submitting the link pointing to the reposted article (hosted on Java Code Geeks) and not the one pointing to the original author's blog we promote not only the specific author's work but the work of all the Java Code Geeks community; since our site is the entry point for them all. That is our obligation towards all of our JCG members! As far as content duplication is concerned I just wanted to pinpoint that in the majority of cases we do not just copy and paste content; We perform lexical and syntactical corrections (since many of our JCG partners do not speak English as their prime language) along with article and code snippets formatting so as every article to be as readable as it can be. I hope I covered all your doubts about Java Code Geeks.
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Papper
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> but ultimately a pointless hoot. Which is kind of the whole deal with video games.
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djork
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> Simplicity in the development process is more important than design simplicity. You can always rewrite code, but you cannot recoup lost time. LOL.
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b100dian
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Same thing ~1 year ago they stopped developing for Symbian:D
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Bjartr
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> Presumably the compiled-to-JS code will be slower than normal JS. Google has a lot of experience compiling to JS (eg GWT, closure compiler) It will likely be just as fast as normal JS, but will have even better performance when run as Dart directly.
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bonch
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Dart should win support on its own merits, not because Google artificially makes it faster than Javascript.
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WheresMyElephant
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Surely in a Star Wars game, of all places, players can be forgiven if they care more about the combat system than about the economy. Do you remember the nature of the trade dispute that occasioned the first prequel movie? Me either.
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I actually just solved this, It wasn't as challenging as i thought! hopefully you guys will be able to help me as i continue my Programming class :)
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KungeRutta
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I don't agree with this approach at all. This seems like a recipe for fragmentation and vendor-specific non-compatible implementations. The only one to win out of that would probably be MS, which is ultimately no worse than anyone else except for maybe Mozilla in the sense of OSS/FS.
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bonch
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It seems like tech companies that reach a certain size don't know what else to work on and lose focus. What's funny is the number of projects Google has put out that were proclaimed to be the future of their particular domains, from Wave to Go. Microsoft used to constantly release go-nowhere projects too, but they didn't have a friendly press giving them glowing coverage for every product. I remember nearly every Wave article starting with a retelling of the history of email, implying that Wave was so historic that it was the next step in the fundamental storyline of internet communication.
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shevegen
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Google should focus on the WWW and ignore the rest. It lately seems to fail at all it does - Google Wave, Google++ (what a joke), Dart (you have to be kidding me) and so on and so forth. They don't know what to do with all their money to they start creating shit. They should help improve make JavaScript better, or replace it with a language people can use OUTSIDE the WWW as well.
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These are only broken because the author explicitly compares nested comprehensions in CoffeeScript with a non-nested ('doubled up', rather) comprehension in Python. (then uses a nested one in Python to show that Python is more expressive (!)) l = for x in [0, 1, 2] for y in ["a", "b", "c"] "#{x},#{y}" // => [["0,a", "0,b", "0,c"], // ["1,a", "1,b", "1,c"], // ["2,a", "2,b", "2,c"]] c.f. l = ["%s,%s"% (x,y) for x in [0,1,2] for y in ["a","b","c"]] # => ['0,a', '0,b', '0,c', # '1,a', '1,b', '1,c', # '2,a', '2,b', '2,c'] But these are not isomorphic, as he then goes to show Python's actual nested comprehensions with like behaviour as CoffeeScript: l = [["%s,%s" % (x,y) for y in ["a","b","c"]] for x in [0,1,2]] # => [['0,a', '0,b', '0,c'], # ['1,a', '1,b', '1,c'], # ['2,a', '2,b', '2,c']] There's no big deal here, nor any need to break backwards compatibility. Much like Python has two syntaxes, so can CoffeeScript; support `for x in [0, 1, 2] for y in ["a","b","c"]` much like Python does (without nesting it in a new context). Lazy generators can be added without breaking current code.
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I wish.
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bonch
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Maps and Gmail both came out about seven years ago, and the search engine is over ten years old. Google hasn't done anything innovative since then. Gmail isn't even that relevant anymore because users are switching away from email toward Twitter and Facebook for communication.
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merlinm
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yes. although, unlogged vs temp vs regular tables is really more about optimizing disk i/o around your use requirements. unlogged is really saying 'i don't care about crash safety or replication, so please don't expend the effort to write data for this table to the WAL before it goes out to the heap'. statement latency is affected by backend i/o issues, but is also highly effected by the efficiency of your network layer/driver, grammar (in postgres everything, including operators, is over-ridable), and various other things. mysql-myisam is *very* thin and thus highly efficient running a large number of queries round-trip from the client. in postgres, to hit those rates of query processing you need to leverage more backend features like functions where you are less affected by latency, or utilize more clients (for most non single-user workloads I'd bet money postgres can handle faster and better). database performance is a complicated topic though, and for single user workloads and simple queries mysql/myisam can do insane tps rates, as can sqlite.
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Developer. Funny thing about VSS, our team didn't use it. We used an internal tool called SD (source depot, apparently a perforce derivative) within Microsoft. It worked fine. Pretty reliable imo. Heh.
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five9a2
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That is one of several reasons why I have always given up on Eclipse. Every year or so, I get frustrated with Emacs enough to try Eclipse again to see if I can tolerate it.
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I don't normally invest a few dozen hours into a video game and then reflect on those hours with a strange mixture of disgust and apathy. Usually the memories are more...fond.
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eaturbrainz
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Well that's admittedly because PL researchers use Haskell out of sheer cultural inertia.
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Do they have limits on updates and deletes yet? update table set blah = 1 limit 10 But about synchronous replication it's about freaking time.
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toofishes
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So the tl;dr of your post is still "you're right, you can't do flat comprehensions just yet in CoffeeScript", or am I reading it wrong?
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This is standard SQL as of SQL99. The standard allows expressions in the select list that are functionally dependent on the group by list. PostgreSQL doesn't figure out all the functional dependency cases specified by the standard, but it does recognize the most common one, having the primary key in the group by means that all the other columns in that table are dependent on that.
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>In 9.1, you can do it in one beautiful pass. Tragically, we don't have DELETE...LIMIT, AAAAAAUGHGHG Man I was waiting for that one.
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Synackaon
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I wonder if bsdiff would work well in this situation...
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Papper
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Fair enough. :D
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It's ultimately pointless since native apps are taking over from the browser anyway. The "web browser" is a relic of the desktop era and is what you use when you don't have an app on your phone.
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>Are there any reasons to use MySQL over PostgreSQL? There are a few. For example mysql cluster is one feature postgres is lacking. Case insensitive collations are another. In memory tables are another handy thing in mysql. For some people (i.e businesses) the fact that mysql is backed by Oracle might play a huge role. It's not black and white.
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Norswap
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With the most-likely-awesome "The Old Republic" just around the corner, it seems hardly a good time for this.
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shevegen
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Ok. Why does anyone need CoffeeScript? As a wrapper towards Javascript? The real way to fix this is by having Javascript be like CoffeeScript. Not by creating a new layer around another language - that is the wrong way to go.
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bucardo is trigger based no?
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ascii
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A language like Go?
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bonch
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Mosaic was the #1 browser at the time, while Chrome's marketshare is a tiny niche in comparison to Internet Explorer, Firefox, and Mobile Safari. Also, the IMG tag was in addition to an existing specification, not a replacement.
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harlows_monkeys
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> Google are already using non-standard Chrome-only features on their web properties (like using WebSQL to implement offline mail viewing in Gmail, when IndexedDB is the actual standard implemented by other major browsers) in order to "encourage" people to switch to Chrome At the time they chose WebSQL it was the actual draft standard. IndexdDB is only in Firefox and Chrome currently. WebSQL is in Chrome, Safari (desktop and mobile), Opera (desktop and mobile), and Android.
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bonch
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> And Dart isn't an overhaul, it's an addition to the spec. Uh, it's a replacement for Javascript.
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ascii
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In order to embed Python in a browser, you'd have to tear out 90 % of the standard library for security reasons. It would be a pretty hairy project. Lua would be ok.
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bonch
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Javascript wasn't replacing an existing popular scripting language.
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I have been down that road. The best comparison I could make is that PostgreSQL is to MySQL like Python is to PHP. Both PostgreSQL and Python have that well thought out, cohesive, simple yet powerful, turtles all the way to the bottom feel. I can't say that I have ever looked back with fond memories.
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case-o-nuts
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Javascript support is not being dropped. Therefore, Dart is an addition.
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notfancy
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Using a `WHERE … EXISTS` would be a better choice IMO.
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bonch
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You're totally wrong about this. Introducing programmability where there previously was none means there wasn't an existing standard with an existing userbase to contend with. Javascript was not competing nor conflicting with anything. The act of replacing something takes far more effort than replacing nothing.
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doomchild
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I have a theory about programmers. I think we fall into two general groups: those who use math, and those who use metaphor. (I use the word "math" mostly for its alliterative quality.) Both types are capable of producing great code, but approach the process of programming from a profoundly different mindset. The author of this article, I would posit, falls squarely into the "metaphor" category. I'm in the same boat. I think about programming the same way I think of writing a short story or poem, where the goal is to clearly express a plot or concept within certain parameters (rhyme scheme, for example). One of my roommates in college is the exact opposite.
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big-o-notation
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Is it web scale?
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solinent
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But maybe the right way to start?
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merlinm
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absolutely correct -- what mysql allows is completely wrong -- ambiguously chosen rows for the 'ungrouped' column. of all the sql gotchas that mysql pulled, even the infamous date parsing, this one is by far the worst. the postgres/sql99 feature is all about reducing verbosity of unambiguous cases.
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bonch
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Again, it's not the same kind of change. One is the addition of something where there was nothing while the other is the replacement of something popular that already exists. Replacement is much harder.
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bonch
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Did you just run out of steam at the end there? Couldn't refute the point? The two situations are completely different. Javascript wasn't competing to replace an existing popular language that already had a huge userbase.
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theromeo3517
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Just like google go was supposed to revolutionize programming
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sunra
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But what is it? What is it for? What is a "GNU Global JavaScript plugin"? I think I'm missing something fundamental.
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rmxz
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> Case insensitive collations are another. Doesn't the citext module get you what you need there? http://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.1/static/citext.html
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macdice
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http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Postgres-XC "is a multi-master write-scalable PostgreSQL cluster based on shared-nothing architecture". It doesn't call itself 1.0 yet but it looks extremely promising. Or if you want to spend money there is an unrelated commercial PostgreSQL derivative that does that sort of thing and no doubt much more at http://www.greenplum.com.
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If you do the comparison please write it up as I would love to read it.
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spankalee
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I suppose being faster is not a merit?
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bonch
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Yes, let us bow to our megacorp masters and their pet language.
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bonch
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> A lot of developers dislike Google, myself included. I see them as a sort of undead virus version of Microsoft. They release their products for free, hoping to stalk their users and turn them into the product. The biggest surprise about Google is that they have convinced millions of techies that they're all about openness, yet as the gatekeepers of the world's web traffic, they keep it behind a search engine that is closed source. It's pretty surprising that you don't hear more outcry over the fact that the web is effectively controlled behind one company's closed source product.
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bbartokk
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I got excited for a minute. I've been using Synergy for years but ran into problems with Vista and then Win7. I just tried to use this with an XP machine and a Win7 machine but it did not work. I disabled the firewall and tried using IP address and computer name. Where you able to get it to work?
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Wolfspaw
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Well talked, Great Serie!
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charlestheoaf
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I really didn't appreciate a lot of the criticism in this article. Fully open-source is great, but that doesn't mean it has to be a requirement for every "good" project. The author seemed the be nitpicking things that are not necessarily bad (or even sometimes have a positive impact). > Do not develop in the open. Instead, make source code available after innovation is complete This was quoted as a bad thing, but in reality it is positive. This means that the experts get left alone to do what they think is best. Hopefully they do it wisely and get plenty of outside feedback, but it is a much cleaner process than fully open development with many contributors (who will in turn have conflicting opinions).
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cdsmith
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Fair enough. My gripe with this subthread isn't an opinion about what the best decision is for Google to make. I simply don't enough about the economics of the situation to know for sure. It's obvious, from the outside, that it got a lot more expensive for Google to maintain browser plugins for other browsers, simply because of the vast increase in the number of them in use and the rate of change. What I don't know is how they decided what time they can devote to maintaining the project. So... I'm not informed enough to have an opinion on whether they made the right decision or not. My point was just that attributing this to some attempt to lock people in to Chrome rather than implementing open web standards is dishonest. Google Gears was never about web standards, and its users were already locked in to Firefox or IE, since they didn't maintain the plugin for Safari, Opera, etc. You just lucked out and happened to be using a supported browser. Perhaps they hoped they'd get more buy-in from third parties, or they just thought IE/Firefox would be enough at first... but whatever the reason, I have a hard time seeing any kind of ethical failure in their decision to drop the project.
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neoform3
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Don't be childish. Until recently postgres only had third party replication. Legacy is far more important than you seem to be crediting.
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bonch
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Lua is great but intentionally barebones for embedding purposes, requiring you to implement your own class system, for example. I would be fine with that, but a lot of people have this fantasy of the web becoming a full-fledged application platform.
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Anathem
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That sounds deeply counterproductive in almost all scenarios I can think of.
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ErstwhileRockstar
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It simply means that language versions can be made compatible without the newer version being a superset of the older. The compiler / interpreter needs to know for each compilation unit or script which language version to use (eg. using a tag similar to xml version="1.0"). Additionally, the language committee must specify some simple rules how code written in a younger version can interact with code written in older versions. Language evolution without bloat.
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rizla7
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wasn't by accident. JS filled a *real* need at the time for a web scripting language. we don't *need* this dart thing.. its more complexity where none is called for. and yea, i tried to fight for that peace, and reported bugs, but it seems they're all more concerned with their own version of things as it were than cooperating in any meaningful way.
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hiffy
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Well, it's been a while since I read the paper with the tapes and the reading heads, but I'm talking about the "up to a polynomial factor of performance" part. I'll be the first one to say that I didn't pay that much attention in lectures, but I think I missed the part where they talked about defining different performance classes for different turing machines.
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bonch
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All the hobbyist web devs who frequent /r/programming are going to mod this excellent presentation down.
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DrBartosz
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Except performance. :-(
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Anathem
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> If, for example, the network goes down for 1 hour, development grinds to a halt. The reason here is that TFS will mark all files as read-only on the filesystem until you have asked the server to check them out for you. If you cannot communicate to the server, you cannot checkout the files and you cannot edit them This is not true. Opening a version controlled project with no connection to TFS will prompt you to work offline. Changes made while offline can be saved locally and committed as soon as you are back online. TFS obviously isn't a DVCS, so you can't check-in while offline, but it certainly doesn't prevent you from working locally. > Sometimes you use Notepad++ because its more convenient--but then you get yourself into trouble because you try to check in but TFS does not recognize the new file or that the file is edited. In that case, you need to navigate to the Source Control Explorer, add or check out the file using its contextual menus. Right click -> Include in Project. Problem solved. I've never had TFS fail to notice that changes were made to a versioned file outside of Visual Studio, and I do this several times a day, every day. > There are many other documented problems and errors with TFS. Some of those are very scary (e.g. losing check ins) but I have not personally run into them. Not sourced, no actual examples provided. Basically he's saying "I heard it has bugs". Whatever.
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grauenwolf
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Setting aside the fact that Microsoft isn't a good role model, those are the product names not the version numbers.
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johnwaterwood
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Very nice! Debunks the myth that JSF is strictly about XML based templating.
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Wha? XML is even *more* typeless. You have to build your own array and mapping representations! And people have devised schemas for JSON; they are admittedly unpopular.
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