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<rant> There are a number of issues with JavaScript. For one, it wasn't very well designed from the start. Brendan Eich himself stated it was designed and implemented in a rush (I believe in two weeks). The design choices made also lead me to believe that Eich had little experience with compiler/language design ...
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mtVessel
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There is no unit test to discover whether you're an asshole or not.
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anttirt
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> Evolving languages can lead to the removal of warts not just the accumulation of warts. Not if you want to remain backward-compatible. > The language Oberon was born out of the ambition to simplify language to the essentials. The result turned out to be a considerably more powerful and more elegant language t...
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greendude
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Now I disagree with this methodology of distribution, but none the less Google has a right to it: As opposed to GPL, under Apache, Google is not required to publish the binaries and the source of Android at the same time. So perhaps you can say technically say that version 3.0 of Android is not open source yet; but be...
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Nuli
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>However, to be fair to him, he does appear to be about 20 years old. Most developers are insufferable shits at that age. At that age I'd be curious what he considers "large projects" to be. From the sound of this one it was almost trivially small if it only takes eight hours to refactor it.
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MarshallBanana
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As I said: adding a language to something that didn't use to be dynamic is a far more overwhelming change.
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TIL! Did Firefox's ActiveX work in Mac OS and Linux? That would make it comparable to what Google are doing right now.
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rizla7
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oh you mean cloud-computing-fail? lol... no sane person uses cloud-based apps. several reasons: downtime (isp, server), data security/integrity, latency/throughput, data-mining, extensibility/scalability, integration... shit, i could go on for days. cloud computing is a fad that will fade away.
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anttirt
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> The second issue is that they're unwilling to break backward compatibility. That was exactly my point. There are probably tens of millions of lines of fragile javascript code out there that businesses depend on that have *no maintainer whatsoever.* It's a shitty state of affairs but it's also reality. If javascri...
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UnoriginalGuy
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Yes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowers_v._Baystate_Technologies
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No, it was Windows-only (since that was the only platform that the WMP ActiveX control existed on; and also since ActiveX was basically just a set of interface contracts built on top on COM, and COM has no direct sibling on Mac OS or Linux).
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NoMoreNicksLeft
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Foreign data wrappers? Hot damn.
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ErstwhileRockstar
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> Evolving languages can lead to the removal of warts not just the accumulation of warts. The key point is language versioning. AFAIK, no current programming language*) supports different versions of the language to be used in parallel (which is necessary for backward compatibility). Most people wrongly think that ...
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nullsucks
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> **I forgot an else statement when refactoring my colleague’s code; she had to stay up until 5am debugging it.** She no longer understood what was originally hers. **I am now convinced that nothing is more demotivating than working with code you don’t understand, especially when it was your own.** It can’t get much...
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Cyrius
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>>>Larry Elisson had a tamper tantrum when MS created dotnet and released it free of charge, no royalties. >>Uhhh.... Java was created by Sun Microsystems over a decade before Oracle bought them, and has been free ever since it was first released. >a little history: http://www.computerweekly.com/Art...
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rizla7
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that was the whole point, sherlock. it filled a need, there is no need to change JS.
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rich97
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> i've backed up literally everything i've said in this thread with link Oh really? So nothing like when you pulled the assertion that Dart's goal is to replace the entire .NET platform directly from your ass?
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They've already stated that ES.next will be opt-in, however. You'll need to tell the browser/VM you want to use it for specific pieces of code. It shouldn't be the case that new browsers will just run your old JS code against the new standard one day. This makes maintaining backwards compatibility a little moot, in my ...
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nascent
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There was a post about LDC compatible with something like 2.052. But both LDC and GDC are lacking in the number of users to really verify when they are not up-to-date.
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systay
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When I was in this situation last time, there was no support for this. You could download something from some guys blog, and that claimed to make it possible, but I never tried it.
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funkah
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That was my reaction too. VSS was like that, but I'm dumbfounded that they would repeat that design mistake. Someone else said you can work offline with TFS, I sure hope so.
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redditnoob
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> I think Python 3.0 had the right approach. Wait, _that_ is your example of how to make an evolutionary change to a language that people will actually adopt?
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olsner
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Two days per sprint (= every 2 weeks?) maintaining SVN and a build system? Sounds to me like you were just doing it wrong...
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systay
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We try to keep our build in the green. We have a, at times, fairly busy commit line, and our build pipe line takes almost two hours. The commit that failed the build could be a lot of commits back. With git, we just undo do a single commit in history, and we're back to green again. Yes, it's something I do now and aga...
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sedaak
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There are so many things they could have. Even saying that "it is time" like Linus is acceptable. Pretending that v1.8 is a decimal number is just absurd....
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mwootendev
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Exactly, => does look like an assignment, which this is not. I think the thin arrow better differentiates the lambda from the assignment. Besides, it already works great for Groovy.
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drysart
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> ActiveX was a prime example. It relied on COM and was incredibly difficult to make an emulator for. So, any page that relied on ActiveX would not run in Netscape. That's simply not true. ActiveX wouldn't run in Netscape because Netscape's browser *was absolute shit* and didn't have anything approaching a real la...
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rizla7
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oh you mean like dotnet framework? :p doh... we have a winner!
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Ah, so really not at all comparable.
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The biggest problem with the SWGEMU is that you have all these awesome coders making all these awesome fixes, but you log in and the low level game is so beyond fucked up that its next to impossible to start a new character from scratch. So why the fuck even try and play it. There's no documentation, there's nothing...
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Penhorse
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Very very clear and helpful!
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tau-lepton
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Sweet, although the PostGIS functions could also be used (iirc).
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looneysquash
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But why do you want to group by id? Isn't the id already unique? What does this group by accomplish?
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kolm
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Is that blip in 2009 when Ken Thompson joined?
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codekiller
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...and then try the same with MS Word...
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impatient
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> This, of course, assumes that you have smart colleagues. I hate even broaching this topic. It reeks of arrogance. I don't think you can even think of it this way(or maybe I need to). If you really don't have smart people and you rewrite their code, they won't grok it. You've just volunteered to maintain it,...
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frezik
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It's the inherent problem of design-by-committee. Too many individual actors involved, many of whom are direct competitors, and even those who aren't will always have their pet use cases and specialties in mind. Good design comes out of one or two experts working together. That's how C worked in the first place. But i...
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sebzim4500
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Either that or Google's new OS, windows
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nickdangler
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That 'with... delete... insert' looks great for processing staging tables. Have a where clause on the delete that does all of the necessary validation. Run the query. Whatever is left in foo needs to be massaged by an end user.
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gregmchapman
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Thanks a lot.
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rich97
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> no sane person uses cloud-based apps Google Apps. Insanely useful for day-to-day collaboration. Millions of customers globally. Also you're forgetting about all of the "apps" what are already a part of websites. e.g. Internet Banking, online photo storage and sharing, blogs, news aggregation, etc. > downtime...
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merlinm
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that's the whole point: since the id is unique, the other group by columns don't need to be written out. for a more useful example, [see here](http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/What%27s_new_in_PostgreSQL_9.1#SQL_and_PL.2FPgSQL_features)
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treo
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I'd swear I have seen a blog post somewhere, where it was used to access mysql. But I just can't find it anymore.
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Moridin
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These really are fantastic, ill be sorry when they're finished. M
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SuperGrade
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> If you really don't have smart people and you rewrite their code, they won't grok it. The topic interests me. Is the "They won't grok it": 1. Inherent to writing anyone else's code? 2. Inherent to a superior rewriting an inferior's code? 3. Inherent to any rewrite of code originally written by a "nonsmart"...
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merlinm
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postgres is more popular with enterprise backend style programming than it is with kit applications. this is mainly due to historical reasons, especially being late to fully support windows. mysql's syntax is so 'out there' wrt the way sql is supposed to work I can only hope applications users pressure the devs to k...
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nascent
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Would you stop going in circles. Neither Tango or Phobos need to work out which license should be used. Both must choose a license that is best for their developers and end-users as they see fit. It is the Developers job to license their code under what they wish for their end-users. Anything else is pointless bickeri...
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Whoa, don't drive your argument off a cliff. Google sees a possibility of high reward with Dash, but its success is not guaranteed. They themselves describe it as "high risk/high reward". [markmail.org/message/uro3jtoitlmq6x7t](http://markmail.org/message/uro3jtoitlmq6x7t) Remember, all this discussion is driven by ...
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mrkite77
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> Second, that effectively promotes creation of private turfs, not a good thing in a team effort. I disagree.. both in programming and in any team sport... the whole purpose of a team effort is to divide a problem down into manageable parts, whether it's a single function, or a zoned defense.
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NoMoreNicksLeft
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That would be a beautiful thing. Truly beautiful. As long as Mysql doesn't try to sneak back through the connection and change all of PG's tables to myisam.
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rmxz
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Postgis is indeed one of the main use-cases for the new KNN indexing feature: http://trac.osgeo.org/postgis/ticket/701 Looks like use of KNN will be supported in postgis 2.0 (thanks to funding by [these guys](http://vizzuality.com/)): http://www.postgis.org/pipermail/postgis-devel/2011-June/013931.html
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wobblebonk
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M59?
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novacoder
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I wonder how many critical security patches got lopped off due to a rounding error?
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marssaxman
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"considering that it was a rush job", yes... but why is that an argument for continuing to build the entire web on top of a 10-day rush job hack language? Javascript *is* that bad compared to almost anything else.
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trezor2
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I do understand it, seemingly unlike most people on reddit, and that is why I am making the comparison. Google doing something in secret for their own browsers and websites and then making it "standard" by putting it on the open web, with some may-be-working solution for a *subset* of the functionality for "other brow...
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bilygates
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You're right, my example isn't that clear. How about this one: SELECT users.id, users.username, users.email, users.etc FROM photos JOIN users ON (users.id = photos.user_id) GROUP BY users.id (Select all users who have photos. A user can have multiple photos.)
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rizla7
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it's not a library. it is a framework based on a CLI. and of course i know that.... wtf... seriously.... i was speaking of asp.net specifically in the first statement.
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grauenwolf
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Don't worry, it isn't like anyone actually uses MongoDB anyways. Compatibility with industry standard APIs are just not worth the effort for someone's toy project.
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frezik
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JavaScript has a perfectly natural way of specifying a compatibility break gracefully: <script language="javascript2"> . . . </script>
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nickdangler
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That doesn't even make sense. Please explain how the dotnet framework is an intermediate language, in terms of compilers.
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treo
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So I looked some more for it and actually found it: http://pgsnake.blogspot.com/2011/08/postgresql-91-meet-mysql.html
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frezik
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Yes, it'll work on Windows 7, Windows Vista, and Windows XP. That's three platforms right there.
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anonymous_hero
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> Google isn't paying them because they like them, they're paying them because Mozilla is sending them searches Which search engine do you use when you're on Firefox? What about when using Chrome? Safari? Opera? That's right, you _Google for_ stuff. It's not Mozilla sending them searches if people will use Google ...
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While Walter isn't giving the "real story" he is summarizing the conditions which allows Tango code adopted by Phobos. There was much misunderstanding, but in reality it doesn't matter. iLiekCaeks' "Tango was ignored out of existence" and the counter "Tango tried to sue Phobos" are both wrong statements about what hap...
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frezik
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An Intermediate Language should be easier, though. It's not like anybody has to actually understand the IL compiler's output.
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CalvinR
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Yeah it's another failure like Google Maps, and Gmail, and google search itself. You won't succeed unless you try, sure you may fail but it could fulfill everything they hope it does.
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merlinm
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absolutely. when doing batch/queue processing, I tend to peel off N records inside a plpgsql function and process them, holding the processing set in an array: starts with this, FOR r in array(select * from foo where something order by something LIMIT 100) LOOP ... and follows up with this: DELETE FROM FOO where &l...
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No, it's quite specifically not that. Microsoft deliberately created confusion between their java vs sun's java, and Jscript vs javascript. Google are creating something entirely different to sit alongside javascript, with a specified comparability layer to fall back to javascript when necessary.
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recursive
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"throws" gives it away.
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frezik
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How do you know Dart will be worse? Have you seen the spec?
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Poltras
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You still determines the limits of your language. I'd say it's probably worse. Stack based or register based? Or both? Op-code packed? SIMD? Register/parameter size? How do you implement closure (if at all)? Do you go the Python way or the Java way? Do you support functional semantics (and optimize for them)? What abo...
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> The real problem is that Google has shown no ability at all to cooperate with others. Working with others is a demonstrably bad way to develop new technologies. We've tried design by committee, it doesn't work.
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Then there should probably be two version of this map data structure. One for people who want to do normal sensible type safe things with it, which is the behavior that 99.9% of use cases probably call for, and the other, which would mainly be used to show how you can do weird tricks with .equals() overloading.
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NoMoreNicksLeft
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Wow. Just wow. I'm one dumb feature away from having everything on my wishlist. (Not a DBA, so replication and the like... someone else's problem.)
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OldSchoolIsh
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Yup,.. when we totaled up the time we spent dealing with merge issues, configuring new builds for branches, generally keeping the server maintained (clearing up old test runs/making sure it had space), trying to find why builds failed by looking through the build logs, and heaven forfend we should want to add a whole n...
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Um right, but we were talking about SVN.
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ActiveG sounds too clear and distinct. Compare with Wave, Go, +.
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merlinm
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curious: what feature?
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rizla7
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yea, my bad, i keep mixing up that date by 10 years. honest mistake: 2003, fixed. and i know SL is on the way out, but just threw it in some post cuz it was related.
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alabipep
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Well, you should have known why I brought VB. You are talking about perfect evolution/devolution. So it is important to know what they look like and how they differ. VB is a perfect example of devolution: It evolved to a so ugly monster that it is difficult to even recoginize its origin. Its "evolution" makes its name:...
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NoMoreNicksLeft
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I play around with writing domains from time to time. I've got a kickass email one, for instance, that allows all valid email addresses, but kicks out invalid ones (only missing comments within usernames). I'd like to be able to create a domain with multiple subfields and have constraints that work on them. As of 8.x ...
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checksinthemail
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At that age you want to rewrite everything. I remember an old dude telling me when I was 20 and new to the field - "Every programmer can write code. Good programmers can read and modify other people's code without rewriting it" At the time I rewrote a report the boss had made, just to add another level to the repo...
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frezik
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Another scripting language *in the browser*. Anywhere else, sure, we could do without it.
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poo_22
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Can someone explain the problem with just pushing for an existing language that everyone likes to run under browsers? What i mean is that clearly people don't like javascript all that much, so why not push for python to be the language, or in the interest of Google, GO? Or ruby? Why invent a whole new thing?
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Pxtl
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Still better than Java.
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ivquatch
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You don't cut and paste a duplicated feature for the same reason you don't use "magic numbers". If there were a bug in the code, you'd have to fix it x number of times. In other words, you'd have to maintain each instance of the copy/pasted code individually, which increases the accidental difficulty and potential for ...
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I know what I'm having for dinner now /craving
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MarshallBanana
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You were definitely not there when it actually happened, were you?
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impatient
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I guess I'm operating under the assumption that any work you can get out of people, is better than no work, which is an ok stance when you don't have time to spend to review(we're getting better about that), but not really. If you've got someone who really loves deeply nested if statements. Re-factoring to make it ea...
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0xABADC0DA
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From the memo: > What about Go? Go is a very promising systems-programming language in the vein of C++. Huh? Google Go and C++ have almost *nothing* in common (except for name mangling). C++ is a real systems programming language, Google Go is an applications programming language like Java. Whoever wrote this...
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doubtingthomas
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I bet they could finish Google+ faster if they could write in something better than Javascript. :)
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igouy
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> because nobody uses these languages Few use Pascal or Modula or Oberon **now** - [the picture was different in the late '80s](http://drdobbs.com/article/print?articleId=184408407&siteSectionName=).
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Your own example shows that languages can take off from each other - I don't know about the C -> C++ transition, but certainly Java was trying to fix some perceived flaws in C++ (multiple inheritance is the one that immediately comes to mind). And don't forget C#, which seems to be fixes for Java.
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candl
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I don't think you can compare JavaScript in the same vein to C, C++, Java or other *regular* language. Yes, they have their flaws but javascript was meant to add just *some* interactivity to web pages. I can cope with JS as long as I have to deal with just a couple of jQuery functions. But you have to admit that once y...
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rizla7
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actually, C# now includes many of the features VB had for *years*... ahem.. clearly VB is superior, in desktop RAD anyways: managed code = future. some people can't handle that. of course unmanaged will still rule mainframes and low powered devices.
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