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True | [deleted] | null | Interesting, I'm not familiar with the Win32 api, but I imaging powerful applications like anti-virus, graphic intense games, and database programs use the api heavily. I'm sure some applications even use undocumented api's too. If they're limiting the api that could be an interesting problem to watch unfold. | null | 0 | 1316492024 | False | 0 | c2l5rpc | t3_kl1qp | null | t1_c2l5rpc | t1_c2l5a5v | null | 1427622368 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Norther | null | While LorenVS chose to add something interesting and relevant to the conversation, your comment did not. I am angry that you have received so many upvotes for polluting the conversation. | null | 0 | 1316492227 | False | 0 | c2l5sjp | t3_kl1qp | null | t1_c2l5sjp | t1_c2l5a1q | null | 1427622379 | 15 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | soAsian | null | LOL, theregister. | null | 0 | 1316492266 | False | 0 | c2l5spl | t3_kl1qp | null | t1_c2l5spl | t3_kl1qp | null | 1427622381 | -21 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | munificent | null | Maybe you want different types of renderers too? Or maybe you don't want to mix the rendering logic into your shape classes? Or maybe you want to overload a method like `$` in jQuery:
> jQuery( selector, [context] )
>
> selectorA string containing a selector expression
>
> contextA DOM Element, Document, or jQuery to use as context
>
> jQuery( element )
> elementA DOM element to wrap in a jQuery object.
>
> jQuery( elementArray )
> elementArrayAn array containing a set of DOM elements to wrap in a jQuery object.
>
> jQuery( jQuery object )
> jQuery objectAn existing jQuery object to clone.
>
> jQuery()
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True | happy-dude | null | Ugh -- I'll have to apologize then. I didn't understand the ramifications of the fix. Thanks for your comment.
(Just a computing student here. I have never really coded outside of academics. I see that I still have much to learn; thanks again.) | null | 0 | 1316492526 | False | 0 | c2l5tto | t3_kl5hl | null | t1_c2l5tto | t1_c2l5pi2 | null | 1427622396 | 9 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | millstone | null | The switch is away from .NET. The story used to be that .NET is the future; now it's that .NET is a peer with other WinRT clients.
I don't see where they said that most WinRT components will be written in .NET. In fact it says they did the opposite: "XAML was rewritten in native code." | null | 0 | 1316492568 | False | 0 | c2l5tzv | t3_kl1qp | null | t1_c2l5tzv | t1_c2l5bwq | null | 1427622398 | 41 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | millstone | null | Do you think that defaulting to a tablet UI that's ill-suited for desktops is somehow more optimal for regular users? Many Windows users can't figure out how to launch IE if the icon gets deleted from the desktop. | null | 0 | 1316492824 | False | 0 | c2l5v2t | t3_kl1qp | null | t1_c2l5v2t | t1_c2l58er | null | 1427622413 | 25 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | millstone | null | How does this make you feel:
"There is no inter-app communication, apps have isolated storage, and interaction with system devices is limited to what is allowed by pre-defined "contracts" for which apps can be a consumer or a provider." | null | 0 | 1316492888 | False | 0 | c2l5vd6 | t3_kl1qp | null | t1_c2l5vd6 | t1_c2l5qg6 | null | 1427622417 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | adolfojp | null | Why? | null | 0 | 1316493031 | False | 0 | c2l5w05 | t3_kl1qp | null | t1_c2l5w05 | t1_c2l58ln | null | 1427622426 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Sc4Freak | null | Since when is the Win32 API being limited? Regular desktop applications are and will always be supported. If you don't like Metro or WinRT, then you're free to continue developing your plain old desktop applications like you've always done!
> Though COM is awful on it's own grounds.
COM is a necessary evil. It's the only way you can provide a standard OO interface to multiple languages. But even though WinRT is based on COM, it doesn't mean you have to actually deal with COM. C# and VB.NET see WinRT COM objects as plain old CLR classes. C++ has the optional C++/CX extensions which provide syntactic sugar over COM. But apparently, people don't like *that* either. | null | 0 | 1316493058 | False | 0 | c2l5w4z | t3_kl1qp | null | t1_c2l5w4z | t1_c2l5a5v | null | 1427622427 | 15 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | awesome7777 | null | Firstly the article is bunk. It's misleading!
1. Your old apps will still work with Windows 8, And so will your old API calls! Otherwise the old apps wouldn't work! Think about it!
2. What the article is referencing is the new client side permission structure for the Metro UI apps. They're HTML based, and essentially run from a browser. Hence the need for a limited security model. So how do you get around these permission things? If you use your brains you'll notice the whole web world is going service orientated. You'll now write web services (which are fully fledged first class citizens), and your front end will communicate via AJAX calls to these web services. Problem solved! These could be client to client, and I'm sure Windows 8 will support very easy to install web services without the need for full blown IIS. | null | 0 | 1316493086 | False | 0 | c2l5w98 | t3_kl1qp | null | t1_c2l5w98 | t3_kl1qp | null | 1427622429 | -4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | soAsian | null | >I just left a job as a .NET programmer to work as a linux server admin
and that gotta to do with the topic because ???? | null | 0 | 1316493094 | False | 0 | c2l5wai | t3_kl1qp | null | t1_c2l5wai | t1_c2l58ln | null | 1427622429 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | BeowulfShaeffer | null | Man I feel old whenever I talk to programmers who never used Win32. | null | 0 | 1316493104 | False | 0 | c2l5wc8 | t3_kl1qp | null | t1_c2l5wc8 | t1_c2l5rpc | null | 1427622429 | 10 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | Is Chris 'Fat Bastard' Sells (presented some coding at BUILD) the same guy as the young thin Chris Sells that delivered the Developmentor COM and original .NET courses back in ooohh, 2002 or so?
Really really nice guy btw. Highly brainy.
I'm still using my free copy of ATL internals to raise my monitor to a better height... | null | 0 | 1316493175 | False | 0 | c2l5wmo | t3_kk7c6 | null | t1_c2l5wmo | t1_c2ky5n2 | null | 1427622434 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | generalT | null | what do they mean by "apps"?
because i doubt they mean an executable that i create in visual studio 2010 (or the next version), targeting the .NET 4.0 framework. i highly, *highly* doubt that. | null | 0 | 1316493213 | False | 0 | c2l5wsi | t3_kl1qp | null | t1_c2l5wsi | t1_c2l5vd6 | null | 1427622436 | 10 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | awesome7777 | null | I would love to jump to 59:00 but the video is silverlight hosted, so the controls don't work as well as flash! | null | 0 | 1316493216 | False | 0 | c2l5wt5 | t3_kip3s | null | t1_c2l5wt5 | t3_kip3s | null | 1427622436 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | rachelbythebay | null | Yeah, and how about a test to catch whatever it was, in case it comes back? | null | 0 | 1316493425 | False | 0 | c2l5xqm | t3_kl5hl | null | t1_c2l5xqm | t1_c2l5pi2 | null | 1427622448 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | crinos666 | null | This is not necessarily the case, if the project is run with appropriate approvals from people who *do* have the bigger picture(Linux kernel for example).
Many people find little bugs, these are very easily screened by someone with a bigger view of how and why a particular function returns this value or that value and it ultimately gets approved by someone higher up the chain, without that person(shall we say "expert") having to screen the tens of thousands of lines of code themselves.
If a project just blindly accepts patches and applies them without sufficient checks and balances, it's nothing to do with the fact that it's open source, it's just a badly run software project... | null | 0 | 1316493533 | False | 0 | c2l5y8j | t3_kl5hl | null | t1_c2l5y8j | t1_c2l5pi2 | null | 1427622455 | 15 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | jyper | null | with a proprietary codec only available in ie/safari. (And doesn't it complain about updating th browser if you have firefox/chrome/opera w/out silverlight?) | null | 0 | 1316493835 | False | 0 | c2l5zhu | t3_kii9z | null | t1_c2l5zhu | t1_c2kmslu | null | 1427622472 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | MaikB | null | Back in time? | null | 0 | 1316494045 | False | 0 | c2l60cm | t3_kkwd9 | null | t1_c2l60cm | t1_c2l4xfu | null | 1427622482 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | shieldforyoureyes | null | No, I still have access to it. I shot that photo in 2007. I've gotten a lot better at taking technical photos since then. | null | 0 | 1316494712 | False | 0 | c2l62ys | t3_kkwd9 | null | t1_c2l62ys | t1_c2l60cm | null | 1427622516 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | tanishaj | null | I know it is subtle but I think he is being swayed by this sentence, "It was obvious at BUILD that it is C# developers that dominate on Microsoft's platform – sessions on the language were packed to overflowing – and it is likely that more WinRT code will be written in C# than in any other language." | null | 0 | 1316494860 | False | 0 | c2l63iy | t3_kl1qp | null | t1_c2l63iy | t1_c2l5tzv | null | 1427622524 | 24 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | bonch | null | It won't be out for another couple of years, so there's no way yet to precisely tell what the hardware requirements will be. | null | 0 | 1316494899 | False | 0 | c2l63o1 | t3_kl1qp | null | t1_c2l63o1 | t1_c2l5bld | null | 1427622526 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | bonch | null | > Your old apps will still work with Windows 8, And so will your old API calls! Otherwise the old apps wouldn't work! Think about it!
Nobody said otherwise. | null | 0 | 1316494917 | False | 0 | c2l63qq | t3_kl1qp | null | t1_c2l63qq | t1_c2l5w98 | null | 1427622527 | 14 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | bonch | null | > I agree that the choice to make a tablet UI the default on a desktop OS is suboptimal for us power-users.
"Power-users" running desktops are a niche compared to the booming tablet market. Desktop PCs are on their way out as mainstream computing devices. | null | 0 | 1316494976 | False | 0 | c2l63yj | t3_kl1qp | null | t1_c2l63yj | t1_c2l58er | null | 1427622530 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | bonch | null | They're not fucking anybody over, old Win32 apps continue to run just fine, and nobody cares what "PC programmers" want anyway, because the hot markets right now are tablets, phones, and game consoles. Open your eyes and see where the industry is headed. Appliance computing is here. | null | 0 | 1316495035 | False | 0 | c2l646o | t3_kl1qp | null | t1_c2l646o | t1_c2l5a5v | null | 1427622532 | -1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | bonch | null | > How does this make you feel:
Pretty happy that they're implementing the successful iOS security model. Some of you critics are just terrified of change. | null | 0 | 1316495065 | False | 0 | c2l64ad | t3_kl1qp | null | t1_c2l64ad | t1_c2l5vd6 | null | 1427622534 | 12 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | tanishaj | null | I think the author of this "bunk" article agrees with you more than you think.
.
Metro apps are not all HTML based but they will be sandboxed much the same. I agree that Microsoft seems to be pushing the smarts to "the cloud" with clients becoming prettier and prettier dumb terminals. | null | 0 | 1316495079 | False | 0 | c2l64cd | t3_kl1qp | null | t1_c2l64cd | t1_c2l5w98 | null | 1427622539 | 11 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | scragar | null | Works well on a mobile device as well, very impressive. | null | 0 | 1316495085 | False | 0 | c2l64da | t3_kketr | null | t1_c2l64da | t1_c2l0hsh | null | 1427622539 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | tanishaj | null | It remains to be seen how "regular" users will fare. I guess if they can use their iPads they can use Windows 8. The removal of the "file system" while a horror to me is probably a giant usability win for your average Windows user though. | null | 0 | 1316495194 | False | 0 | c2l64t8 | t3_kl1qp | null | t1_c2l64t8 | t1_c2l5v2t | null | 1427622541 | 29 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | tanishaj | null | Hey, don't forget F#. :-) | null | 0 | 1316495245 | False | 0 | c2l650g | t3_kl1qp | null | t1_c2l650g | t1_c2l59dx | null | 1427622543 | 20 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | bonch | null | > I don't think the claim sounds entirely unreasonable either.
That's hardly reason enough to make the declaration this article is making about popularity. | null | 0 | 1316495272 | False | 0 | c2l6544 | t3_kkp4z | null | t1_c2l6544 | t1_c2l1eld | null | 1427622545 | -2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | tanishaj | null | You can target "Metro" or you can target the classic desktop. The full .NET 4 framework can only be used for "desktop" apps. You cannot run those programs from "Metro".
So, depending on where you want your code to run, it can be a pretty big limitation. | null | 0 | 1316495406 | False | 0 | c2l65mh | t3_kl1qp | null | t1_c2l65mh | t1_c2l5wsi | null | 1427622554 | 12 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1316495491 | False | 0 | c2l65ys | t3_kl1qp | null | t1_c2l65ys | t1_c2l646o | null | 1427622556 | 22 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1316495502 | False | 0 | c2l65zy | t3_kl1qp | null | t1_c2l65zy | t3_kl1qp | null | 1427622556 | -8 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | bonch | null | Keep in mind, though, that we already have a developer preview. | null | 0 | 1316495509 | False | 0 | c2l6611 | t3_kip3s | null | t1_c2l6611 | t1_c2kjzet | null | 1427622557 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | vplatt | null | You're right.
You **are** a horrible troll. | null | 0 | 1316495560 | False | 0 | c2l667x | t3_kl1qp | null | t1_c2l667x | t1_c2l58ln | null | 1427622558 | 9 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | scragar | null | Happens a lot because of the popular $ usage as a function name, given the huge number of available special characters that could be used it's kind of sad. | null | 0 | 1316495566 | False | 0 | c2l668x | t3_kketr | null | t1_c2l668x | t1_c2l0dpp | null | 1427622558 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | hobophobe | null | The blog didn't include the bug that actually had the patch and review, so I dug it up: [Bugzilla@Mozilla: Bug 673403: don't rely on non empty result from nsAccessible::GetParent()](https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=673403). Always best to throw the bug number at people (if you know it/can find it). | null | 0 | 1316495768 | False | 0 | c2l6712 | t3_kl5hl | null | t1_c2l6712 | t3_kl5hl | null | 1427622569 | 16 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | And how do you know it won't just be a theme you turn on and off? Tablet installs would have the theme turned on by default. Desktop installs have the traditional theme turned on by default.
This is not very difficult. | null | 0 | 1316496053 | False | 0 | c2l682e | t3_kl1qp | null | t1_c2l682e | t1_c2l50he | null | 1427622583 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | ulber | null | That is for the new metro apps. Nothing is being taken away from desktop applications. | null | 0 | 1316496506 | False | 0 | c2l69r4 | t3_kl1qp | null | t1_c2l69r4 | t1_c2l5vd6 | null | 1427622606 | 15 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | kragensitaker | null | > From the snippet it's impossible to tell if this is ok.
That's true, but apparently someone with commit access had already decided that yes, it was okay, since that was the fix in tip. | null | 0 | 1316496609 | False | 0 | c2l6a59 | t3_kl5hl | null | t1_c2l6a59 | t1_c2l5pi2 | null | 1427622611 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | ulber | null | They're not limiting that api. That would mean that old programs would stop working. Desktop applications will continue to have unrestricted access to Win32. | null | 0 | 1316496700 | False | 0 | c2l6ahi | t3_kl1qp | null | t1_c2l6ahi | t1_c2l5rpc | null | 1427622615 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | > nobody cares what "PC programmers" want anyway, because the hot markets right now are tablets, phones, and game consoles.
Where do you think development takes place?
All the programs that run on your "appliance computers" are developed on desktops. You seriously think any serious development is going to happen on a tablet or a phone?
Perhaps you are the one that needs to open your eyes. There are millions of developers in this world, even if desktops become solely a platform for development it would still be a decent market.
You also have to take into account the fact that a device with no "apps" is effectively worthless. Keeping developers happy and offering a decent, well documented development environment is usually what makes or breaks a particular device.
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True | dkogan | null | Just FYI, the Linux kernel source has included a script that does this for many years now:
http://lxr.free-electrons.com/source/scripts/checkstack.pl | null | 0 | 1316497332 | False | 0 | c2l6cro | t3_kkih6 | null | t1_c2l6cro | t3_kkih6 | null | 1427622645 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | dyydvujbxs | null | Eh, you can turn off Aero in Win 7 but what's left is messed up. Messed up enough that I finally stopped using Classic when I got Win7. Win8 with Metro might be similar, where everything looks a bit messed up when Metro is off. | null | 0 | 1316497631 | False | 0 | c2l6drh | t3_kl1qp | null | t1_c2l6drh | t1_c2l682e | null | 1427622658 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | mhd420 | null | Aren't the system requirements the same as Windows 7? They made a big deal about it during the keynote. | null | 0 | 1316497649 | False | 0 | c2l6dtw | t3_kl1qp | null | t1_c2l6dtw | t1_c2l5bld | null | 1427622660 | 11 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | That's not exactly the same; those languages fail at run-time instead of compile time if the type checking fails. Of course, they don't even have a 'compile-time'. | null | 0 | 1316497737 | False | 0 | c2l6e5f | t3_kikut | null | t1_c2l6e5f | t1_c2kyr86 | null | 1427622663 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | tau-lepton | null | Do you mean booming iPad market? Sales of android tablets have been lackluster, HP had to practically give away their WebOS tablet, and windows tablet sales are virtually non-existent. Apple is going to have to make several mistakes before Microsoft can compete on the tablet. | null | 0 | 1316497839 | False | 0 | c2l6ej7 | t3_kl1qp | null | t1_c2l6ej7 | t1_c2l63yj | null | 1427622668 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | widyakumara | null | A little bit late but perhaps it's usefull for someone that will read this in the future:
[Firefox 6 no longer executes javascript URLs](http://www.reddit.com/r/web_design/comments/kkh2b/firefox_6_no_longer_executes_javascript_urls/) | null | 0 | 1316497856 | False | 0 | c2l6el6 | t3_kketr | null | t1_c2l6el6 | t1_c2l4vl8 | null | 1427622670 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | tau-lepton | null | We haven't seen how easy win8 is to actually use yet. How does Microsoft make money on tablet sales? It had better be by locking people into Exchange and Office. | null | 0 | 1316497977 | False | 0 | c2l6ezq | t3_kl1qp | null | t1_c2l6ezq | t1_c2l64t8 | null | 1427622674 | -7 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | Gooootcha. | null | 0 | 1316498150 | False | 0 | c2l6flz | t3_kjja4 | null | t1_c2l6flz | t1_c2l2hd2 | null | 1427622682 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Shizka | null | Awesome :) Thank you very much! | null | 0 | 1316498156 | False | 0 | c2l6fmv | t3_kketr | null | t1_c2l6fmv | t1_c2l4vl8 | null | 1427622682 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | heroofhyr | null | I'll give you my two cents from ten years of work experience with large codebases and fifteen years total as a programmer. Maybe you can benefit from them (or not) before you're out of school and your programming habits become less and less susceptible to change:
Essentially, this is the difference between a good programmer and a *good-enough* programmer. If the original author who created the bug in the first place made an assumption that GetParent() always has to return a valid pointer (which IMO should have returned a reference if that were the case, not a pointer--the fact that it returns a pointer tells me the designer of the function either wasn't sure if it always had--or definitely knew that sometimes it didn't have--a valid parent, or else he was just sloppy and/or required to conform to some old-fashioned coding conventions and every function returns a pointer whether it should or not), then ignoring the NULL case is not really fixing the problem--it's merely pushing it away and letting it pop up somewhere else later down the line. This is the kind of bug-fix you make 1 hour before the code freeze when you've got no other choice. You swallow your shame and *commit*, then reopen the bug after the release so you don't forget about it. It's definitely not something you should do when there's enough time to figure out what's really causing the problem. Recognizing the possibility that you haven't really fixed a problem is what will lead you ultimately to having a much more stable application than just saying to yourself, "Ehhh, close enough," and checking in whatever modification stops the crash.
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Edit: the fact that this bug-fix was bug-fixing another bug-fix leads me to assume that the original bug-fixer had a valid parent in his case, assumed it was always true, tested his single scenario against the fix, and then submitted the patch. Later on, someone else (the OP) found a scenario where the fix caused more problems because it was based on assumptions, removed the assumption, and now there's a fix for both problems. Those sorts of 2nd generation bug-fixes are usually safe (I would still check to be sure), because the problem is not indicative of a larger design flaw, but merely a logical error in the thinking of the programmer (in this case, assuming the parent is always non-NULL).
**TL;DR** the second bug-fix looks like it was not spackling over a gaping hole in the Firefox drywall, but merely over a hairline fracture created by another, earlier spackling knife. Whether that earlier spackler was hiding a gaping hole remains to be seen. | null | 0 | 1316498291 | True | 0 | c2l6g23 | t3_kl5hl | null | t1_c2l6g23 | t1_c2l5tto | null | 1427622688 | 19 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | Well, I think we should wait and see before proclaiming it's crap. | null | 0 | 1316498357 | False | 0 | c2l6g9v | t3_kl1qp | null | t1_c2l6g9v | t1_c2l6drh | null | 1427622690 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Rodh257 | null | They have a big emphasis on low overhead and battery life, especially when running in Metro mode (which is what ARM based tablets will be doing). Go look at the keynote. | null | 0 | 1316498444 | False | 0 | c2l6gku | t3_kl1qp | null | t1_c2l6gku | t1_c2l5bld | null | 1427622694 | 8 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | noupvotesplease | null | Appropriate username is appropriate. | null | 0 | 1316498623 | False | 0 | c2l6h46 | t3_kl1qp | null | t1_c2l6h46 | t1_c2l65ys | null | 1427622702 | -1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | rabootcha | null | Crawl and screenshot the web | null | 0 | 1316498735 | False | 0 | c2l6hht | t3_kks00 | null | t1_c2l6hht | t1_c2l5nad | null | 1427622707 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | babazka | null | It is a long-standing tradition for Windows family to consume the majority of hardware resources. I don't remember a single Windows version which has not been called memory hog at the time of release. As for tablets, the ARM version of Windows 8 is going to be Metro-only (read: no background applications, no multitasking), which should lower its battery consumption to the level of iOS. | null | 0 | 1316498898 | False | 0 | c2l6i0j | t3_kl1qp | null | t1_c2l6i0j | t1_c2l5bld | null | 1427622713 | -8 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | drowsap | null | No, it's actually ajax and web 2.0 | null | 0 | 1316499014 | False | 0 | c2l6iei | t3_kketr | null | t1_c2l6iei | t1_c2l2du6 | null | 1427622718 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | ttsiodras | null | Interesting, didn't know this - thanks! | null | 0 | 1316499303 | False | 0 | c2l6jb4 | t3_kkih6 | null | t1_c2l6jb4 | t1_c2l2hja | null | 1427622731 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | ttsiodras | null | :-) | null | 0 | 1316499315 | False | 0 | c2l6jck | t3_kkih6 | null | t1_c2l6jck | t1_c2l359t | null | 1427622731 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | You mean "C/C++/WinRT" right? Because C++/WinRT is "just C++" in the same way that "C/C++" is "just C".
The problem is when they add extensions to C++ in order to make this work - even if it compiles to X86 assembler, it's not actually C++ any longer.
Hell, it may be wonderful and C++0xwhatever may make all these new things standard. But until there's some reason to believe that's going to happen, there's a problem.
They've designed WinRT specifically so it could be used from Visual Studio - not from "multiple languages".
Well, that's what I understand so far, based on limited information. If, in fact, it is possible to use WinRT from *standard* C++ then I'll be suitably impressed and pleased. | null | 0 | 1316499347 | False | 0 | c2l6jg1 | t3_kl1qp | null | t1_c2l6jg1 | t1_c2l59dx | null | 1427622732 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | ttsiodras | null | No, it only detects the "standalone" stack usage: there's no creation of a call-graph, or detection of recursion in any depth, or "deep" (i.e. cumulative) stack usage - that takes into account the call graph. | null | 0 | 1316499398 | False | 0 | c2l6jli | t3_kkih6 | null | t1_c2l6jli | t1_c2l6cro | null | 1427622737 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | stealthzeus | null | No native database connector? No I/O except local storage? This is gonna be interesting. | null | 0 | 1316499433 | False | 0 | c2l6jpl | t3_kl1qp | null | t1_c2l6jpl | t3_kl1qp | null | 1427622736 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | cosmo7 | null | I have no problem with Win32 going away. Ooh here's the function you want; it has seventeen arguments, half of which you've never heard of. | null | 0 | 1316499519 | False | 0 | c2l6jyz | t3_kl1qp | null | t1_c2l6jyz | t1_c2l5wc8 | null | 1427622738 | 14 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | dubman42 | null | Nice try, 2nd guy from Microsoft PR department. | null | 0 | 1316499577 | False | 0 | c2l6k6p | t3_kl1qp | null | t1_c2l6k6p | t1_c2l5sjp | null | 1427622741 | -12 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | HardlyWorkingDotOrg | null | Conclusion being that Android is more fucked up and therefore developers require more help for everyday questions? Yep, good conclusion right there. | null | 0 | 1316499678 | False | 0 | c2l6kih | t3_kkp4z | null | t1_c2l6kih | t1_c2l35me | null | 1427622745 | -1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | adolfojp | null | >They're HTML based, and essentially run from a browser.
False. (Actually, partially correct)
Metro apps can be written in three different ways. The common denominator is the WinRT APIs.
1. Native C++ with XAML as its presentation language. This is the C++/Win32 replacement.
2. Managed .NET languages like C# and VB with XAML as its presentation language. These apps are coded WPF and Silverlight style.
3. JavaScript with HTML and CSS as its presentation languages. This is to lure new developers to the platform.
Here is a useful diagram: http://i.imgur.com/Jq5pN.jpg
The new stack is on the left and the current one is on the right. | null | 0 | 1316499681 | False | 0 | c2l6kir | t3_kl1qp | null | t1_c2l6kir | t1_c2l5w98 | null | 1427622745 | 11 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | HardlyWorkingDotOrg | null | You mean the marketshare where every 50 dollar Android 1.x handset factors in? Where customers aren't even aware that their device runs android or that they didn't even care? Where Android wasn't the sellingpoint but rather the low price tag? If you want a representative statistic, you would pull numbers from both platforms where the hardware specs are at least in the same wheelhouse. Just leave out the bargain basement. Otherwise, these marketshare statistics say nothing at all. | null | 0 | 1316499854 | False | 0 | c2l6l1p | t3_kkp4z | null | t1_c2l6l1p | t1_c2l1hc4 | null | 1427622752 | -1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | mistralol | null |
It you look carefully at it you will see that they have all the old stuff there and have just added to it with an optional UI which is really built for portable devices but also runs on the windows desktop. | null | 0 | 1316499963 | False | 0 | c2l6ldr | t3_kl1qp | null | t1_c2l6ldr | t3_kl1qp | null | 1427622757 | 6 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | mistralol | null |
There are multiple embedded db's that can be plugged into an application. I am sure they won't be hard to make work. | null | 0 | 1316500040 | False | 0 | c2l6llm | t3_kl1qp | null | t1_c2l6llm | t1_c2l6jpl | null | 1427622759 | -1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | robeph | null | LOL, at the people who upvote this contentless irrelevant comment and move it up above content filled technical comments that actually are worthy of being higher on the comment hierarchy so as people can see them. | null | 0 | 1316500173 | False | 0 | c2l6m04 | t3_kl1qp | null | t1_c2l6m04 | t1_c2l5spl | null | 1427622765 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | robeph | null | Kind of like [this one](http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/kl1qp/microsofts_highrisk_windows_8_net_switch/c2l5spl) (which people for whatever ridiculous reason, upvoted). It's crap like this /r/programming. I wish mods would spend time deleting shit like this.
Dubman42's comment is exactly the usage of the downvote arrow, on the other hand the downvoting of LorenVS's comment is the exact opposite. | null | 0 | 1316500263 | True | 0 | c2l6m9p | t3_kl1qp | null | t1_c2l6m9p | t1_c2l5sjp | null | 1427622769 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | zhivago | null | Just compile to javascript. | null | 0 | 1316500613 | False | 0 | c2l6n86 | t3_kketr | null | t1_c2l6n86 | t1_c2l03bv | null | 1427622782 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | JasonMaloney101 | null | > If, in fact, it is possible to use WinRT from standard C++ then I'll be suitably impressed and pleased.
The "extensions" they've added are just syntactic sugar around traditional COM. You're fine with ISO C++. | null | 0 | 1316501183 | False | 0 | c2l6oyl | t3_kl1qp | null | t1_c2l6oyl | t1_c2l6jg1 | null | 1427622807 | 9 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | stealthzeus | null | No I was talking about accessing a remote data source (thin client). In the article it seems that the only way to do such a thing is via a web interface, not a SQL database connection. | null | 0 | 1316501397 | False | 0 | c2l6pkv | t3_kl1qp | null | t1_c2l6pkv | t1_c2l6llm | null | 1427622813 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | harlows_monkeys | null | As I said, I don't know how the new law modifies this, so the following will be under the old law. Here's one way you could get prior use rights without your prior use being prior art:
Let's say you are a manufacturer of something. You have a factory that uses various machines to manufacture the goods you sell.
You invent a new synthetic oil that greatly reduces the wear and maintenance costs of machines it is used in. You manufacture this oil in your factory and use it on your machines to cut costs and get an advantage over your competitors. You do not make this new oil public, or apply for a patent. You keep it as a trade secret.
Your invention and use of the oil would not be prior art against a subsequence inventor of the same oil. The key is that prior art has to be public. Things kept secret aren't prior art. | null | 0 | 1316501607 | False | 0 | c2l6q6w | t3_khvyw | null | t1_c2l6q6w | t1_c2kywu5 | null | 1427622821 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | random_ramdomness_4 | null | You can still paste it in the firebug console without the 'javascript:' part =)
edit: You can even probably paste it inside one of those code boxes and click run and it will probably work. | null | 0 | 1316501740 | True | 0 | c2l6qk8 | t3_kketr | null | t1_c2l6qk8 | t1_c2l6el6 | null | 1427622827 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Jigsus | null | And that's why they now make the IE icon humongous right on the front page. | null | 0 | 1316501917 | False | 0 | c2l6r1k | t3_kl1qp | null | t1_c2l6r1k | t1_c2l5v2t | null | 1427622834 | 7 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Jigsus | null | They are less than W7 even. | null | 0 | 1316502066 | False | 0 | c2l6rh0 | t3_kl1qp | null | t1_c2l6rh0 | t1_c2l6dtw | null | 1427622838 | 10 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Sc4Freak | null | It's been discussed extensively on /r/programming over the past few days. C++/CX is *completely optional*.
WinRT is built on top of COM. You can access COM like you always have been able to - which means that you can access WinRT from *any language* that supports COM (including ISO standard C++). Heck, you can access WinRT from Haskell or Java if you want, because there's COM support available for both those languages. C++/CX is nothing more than syntactic sugar over COM to make it easier to use. If you don't want to use these extensions, remove the /Zw switch when compiling and you'll be back to using standard ISO C++ (and manually managing your COM objects).
So, no. When people say you can access WinRT from C++, **they really mean standard ISO C++**. The C++/CX extensions are nothing more than optional syntactic sugar. | null | 0 | 1316502132 | True | 0 | c2l6rnp | t3_kl1qp | null | t1_c2l6rnp | t1_c2l6jg1 | null | 1427622840 | 21 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | jkff | null | Honestly, "The Haskell School of Expression" didn't change the way I think about programming - Richard Bird's "Introduction to Functional Programming Using Haskell" did, but I admit, my way of thought was already unrecoverably changed by the time I started reading Hudak's book. | null | 0 | 1316502365 | True | 0 | c2l6sa6 | t3_kkegr | null | t1_c2l6sa6 | t1_c2l36iu | null | 1427622915 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | pretzel-wagon | null | Well, at least you have friends with extra money to needlessly toss around! | null | 0 | 1316502784 | False | 0 | c2l6tbo | t3_kip3s | null | t1_c2l6tbo | t1_c2l071w | null | 1427622929 | -2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Gotebe | null | I am not surprised that MS had reached back for COM. If Windows 8 is to run on all kinds of ARM - based devices, you're bound to expect cheap ones that might struggle running .NET runtime and full-blown Windows. So there, we'll get WinRT (native) + thin layer of .NET (interop + app code), or even straight native there, too. App code is unlikely to be javascript, too.
Not too shabby if you ask me. | null | 0 | 1316503158 | False | 0 | c2l6u9m | t3_kl1qp | null | t1_c2l6u9m | t3_kl1qp | null | 1427622949 | 6 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Otis_Inf | null | Won't work, as these databases all need File I/O of some sort. WinRT / Metro apps rely on services for their data, similar to what Silverlight apps do. This fits in their strategy of 'services in the cloud for your data, the apps on your device using them'.
Build was mainly about those apps, but the interesting part is of course the service: what is used to build these, and as MS doesn't have a large monopoly on the server side, it's to be seen whether large droves of developers will stick with MS for server-side development. | null | 0 | 1316503220 | False | 0 | c2l6ufj | t3_kl1qp | null | t1_c2l6ufj | t1_c2l6llm | null | 1427622944 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | elperroborrachotoo | null | **for Metro-style Apps** | null | 0 | 1316503238 | False | 0 | c2l6uh7 | t3_kl1qp | null | t1_c2l6uh7 | t1_c2l6jpl | null | 1427622944 | 48 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Otis_Inf | null | If you ignore Metro for a second, you'll see nothing really changed that much. So if you're developing software which won't be used through a fingerpainting device/interface, there's nothing to worry about, as nothing really changed.
Metro and WinRT, it's to be seen whether it will succeed. Remember Avalon and Windows Vista? It would be the new way to develop client-side UI's. Avalon later on was renamed to WPF, and curiously, 'WPF' was the acronym no-one spoke of at Build. | null | 0 | 1316503378 | False | 0 | c2l6ute | t3_kl1qp | null | t1_c2l6ute | t1_c2l50he | null | 1427622948 | 8 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | elperroborrachotoo | null | What makes you a "Developer" in that context? Probably you have to be in one of their partner programs, but that's not clear. | null | 0 | 1316503624 | False | 0 | c2l6vdr | t3_kl7h0 | null | t1_c2l6vdr | t3_kl7h0 | null | 1427622957 | 17 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Antiuniverse | null | I only just started learning JS this month, but I feel like they omitted a pattern which greatly diminishes the risk posed by invoking a constructor function without 'new':
var Foo = function() {
if (!(this instanceof Foo)) return new Foo();
// ...
};
Or maybe, if you'd prefer, you can explode then and there instead of trying to quietly Do The Right Thing. Either way, it seems worth handling in some capacity.
Is there a downside to this approach that I'm not aware of? | null | 0 | 1316503683 | True | 0 | c2l6vj5 | t3_kketr | null | t1_c2l6vj5 | t3_kketr | null | 1427622957 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1316503832 | False | 0 | c2l6vxj | t3_kl1qp | null | t1_c2l6vxj | t1_c2l6g9v | null | 1427622970 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1316504346 | False | 0 | c2l6x55 | t3_kl1qp | null | t1_c2l6x55 | t1_c2l6h46 | null | 1427622978 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | infinull | null | You created... A PDF from an HTML file to read on your kindle.
You know mobi-pocket's are just encoded HTML right?
Use an epub editor like Sigil to load the HTML, then use calibre to convert the epub file to mobipocket. (I went with Sony, so I don't have to do this step.)
Or better yet, just use instapaper.com that'll do that all automatically. | null | 0 | 1316504389 | False | 0 | c2l6x94 | t3_kketr | null | t1_c2l6x94 | t1_c2l0a8k | null | 1427622979 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | ILikeBumblebees | null | Of course. Myths *about* raytracing.
*Four A.M. brain expected to see renderings of Perseus in Minos' labyrinth.*
Edit: and the same muddled brain confused Perseus with Theseus. | null | 0 | 1316504518 | True | 0 | c2l6xjz | t3_kldfr | null | t1_c2l6xjz | t3_kldfr | null | 1427622983 | 32 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | A_for_Anonymous | null | It's retarded, too. Who said it's not?
Also, Win32 is one of the worst quality, most obnoxious APIs ever created. | null | 0 | 1316504601 | False | 0 | c2l6xqi | t3_kkp4z | null | t1_c2l6xqi | t1_c2l3jhd | null | 1427622986 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | I thought the same too, until I saw the horrible mess necessary to use COM with C++. There is no chance anyone will ever use that, except maybe some code generation tools, and I don't even see the reason there.
Thanks for the downvotes! The fun thing is that I actually check my facts and yes, I'm right: http://www.interact-sw.co.uk/iangblog/2011/09/16/real-native-winrt | null | 0 | 1316504919 | True | 0 | c2l6ygg | t3_kl1qp | null | t1_c2l6ygg | t1_c2l6rnp | null | 1427622995 | -4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | sumsarus | null | Can't tell if you're trolling or just really stupid. | null | 0 | 1316504968 | False | 0 | c2l6yk5 | t3_kl1qp | null | t1_c2l6yk5 | t1_c2l6jyz | null | 1427622997 | -11 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | firebelly | null | Pay 99$ a year. Then you can make/sell games/apps for xbox/wp7, and eventually win8. I bet it will be the same system in place now, but with win8 ability. And this is for metro apps only. They can stop normal windows apps from what I understand. You will still be able to build apps in visual studio and run them. | null | 0 | 1316505005 | False | 0 | c2l6ymq | t3_kl7h0 | null | t1_c2l6ymq | t1_c2l6vdr | null | 1427622997 | 15 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | Meanwhile on Linux everything is still a chaotic mess where every language binding has to be created manually, because every language creator thinks his little toy language is the most important thing out there... | null | 0 | 1316505062 | False | 0 | c2l6ys3 | t3_kl1qp | null | t1_c2l6ys3 | t3_kl1qp | null | 1427623010 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | captain-asshat | null | Metro apps have local isolated storage, just not full file system access. Embedded db's will work fine. | null | 0 | 1316505133 | False | 0 | c2l6yyg | t3_kl1qp | null | t1_c2l6yyg | t1_c2l6ufj | null | 1427623006 | 7 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
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