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True | rookie_MP | null | (I'm the actual author of this project btw)
The reason is because that example was created to demonstrate the object oriented abilities of the language. Also I wrote it in about three minutes, I wasn't thinking too hard.
In response to your first question, there's a variety of differences. The major one is that scopes are mutable in FACT, and the name derives from this concept. | null | 0 | 1316840748 | False | 0 | c2m75qr | t3_kpqzv | null | t1_c2m75qr | t1_c2m74vd | null | 1427640338 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | ioquatix | null | I clicked edit, then copy and paste the first bold paragraph of text, and it then proceeded to paste a whole bunch of tags and duplicated completely unrelated content.
I look forward to seeing a 1.0 release in the future with less bugs. | null | 0 | 1316841010 | False | 0 | c2m76mc | t3_kolze | null | t1_c2m76mc | t3_kolze | null | 1427640349 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | SweetIrony | null | The rot is in the management, not the engineering. you can hire a million engineers and it still won't make the strategy viable. I'm suggesting putting some engineers in positions to really direct the business to a solid db with awesome pay for value added services, instead of this ridiculous forking of branches that will hurt the community and kill mysql in the oem market where they can't use gpl. | null | 0 | 1316841116 | False | 0 | c2m76y9 | t3_kpecl | null | t1_c2m76y9 | t1_c2m6tti | null | 1427640353 | 9 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | jessta | null | There is a chrome extension to block this.
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/achmnghbfplhfomhiohmojicomlgmkam | null | 0 | 1316841123 | False | 0 | c2m76yy | t3_kp82i | null | t1_c2m76yy | t3_kp82i | null | 1427640354 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | holyatheismbatman | null | It is a simple matter of making the { } mandatory in a C like language.
It is just a simple and solved matter of making an unambiguous grammar, but we keep insisting on making the same mistakes over again. | null | 0 | 1316841493 | False | 0 | c2m786c | t3_kooiy | null | t1_c2m786c | t1_c2m279d | null | 1427640369 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | DidNotWant | null | Yeah, I can type an unnecessary ( and ) instead of a THEN. Yeaaaaaah! | null | 0 | 1316841763 | False | 0 | c2m7910 | t3_kooiy | null | t1_c2m7910 | t1_c2m279d | null | 1427640380 | -2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | This is exactly like the enterprisedb postgres situation. | null | 0 | 1316841878 | False | 0 | c2m79ec | t3_kpecl | null | t1_c2m79ec | t3_kpecl | null | 1427640385 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | In-case you didn't realise a lot of things we take for granted today were originally pioneered by what we perceive to be Microsoft mistakes and/or bad behaviour... e.g XMLHttpRequest. Back in the day not long before web 2.0 I was experimenting with achieving what eventually became ajax by using iframes and hidden form elements(so the back button continue to work) for much the same reason we use ajax: responsiveness, less wasted bandwidth, a richer experience, blah blah blah... but that was merely a hack.
Just saying... | null | 0 | 1316841911 | False | 0 | c2m79hx | t3_kp1b5 | null | t1_c2m79hx | t1_c2m2gy5 | null | 1427640386 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null |
The post if about HTML5? even the title says so.... (I'm not sure where the every version of IE comes from) | null | 0 | 1316842397 | False | 0 | c2m7b3c | t3_kpgmn | null | t1_c2m7b3c | t1_c2m5mu8 | null | 1427640408 | 9 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | marssaxman | null | You've got it backwards. [This is how the internet works](http://www.ietf.org/tao.html): if you want to do something, you do it, and you tell other people what you did. If they think it's cool, they do it too. Then you agree on what it is you did, and tell other people what you agreed on. The result is called a "standard".
Rough consensus and running code. Google's shipped the code, now it's up to you to decide whether you think it's useful. If it's not useful, ignore it. If it's useful, adopt it. Or ignore it. Up to you. | null | 0 | 1316842655 | False | 0 | c2m7bwa | t3_kp1b5 | null | t1_c2m7bwa | t1_c2m28f3 | null | 1427640419 | 32 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | tekknolagi | null | Sorry for not originally crediting; didn't give that too much thought... | null | 0 | 1316842676 | False | 0 | c2m7by5 | t3_kpqzv | null | t1_c2m7by5 | t1_c2m75qr | null | 1427640420 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | ioquatix | null | You should probably update the tutorial to make it clear :)
A scope typically refers to some kind of context for converting names to actual variables.
What do you mean by a mutable scope?
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True | washort | null | No, but it's the reason http pipelining isn't enabled by default in most browsers. | null | 0 | 1316843095 | False | 0 | c2m7d6q | t3_kp1b5 | null | t1_c2m7d6q | t1_c2m6nn3 | null | 1427640435 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1316843126 | False | 0 | c2m7d9r | t3_kp1pf | null | t1_c2m7d9r | t1_c2m665d | null | 1427640436 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | asteroidB612 | null | Just stick with Common Lisp and be done with it already! | null | 0 | 1316843311 | False | 0 | c2m7dsv | t3_kp1pf | null | t1_c2m7dsv | t3_kp1pf | null | 1427640444 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | x-skeww | null | 1% would be too much for blindly enabling it.
Opera uses some heuristic to figure out if it works correctly. | null | 0 | 1316843379 | False | 0 | c2m7e0p | t3_kp1b5 | null | t1_c2m7e0p | t1_c2m7d6q | null | 1427640447 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | WyattEpp | null | If tabs and spaces are being mixed for *INDENTATION*, yes, it is incorrect (and behaving like emacs). Using tabs *strictly for indentation* levels and spaces for alignment of multi-line arguments, comments, etc., on the other hand, is perfectly valid and much preferable to the tabs ^ spaces holy war. | null | 0 | 1316843622 | False | 0 | c2m7eqm | t3_kooiy | null | t1_c2m7eqm | t1_c2m32ba | null | 1427640456 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | asteroidB612 | null | (if (maybe q) (foo q) (bar q)) Wow!!! | null | 0 | 1316843855 | False | 0 | c2m7ffb | t3_kooiy | null | t1_c2m7ffb | t3_kooiy | null | 1427640465 | -2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | rcklmbr | null | I don't want to laugh. I want to program.
> Some seem to think this reddit is for "links that programmers might find interesting or funny". No. It's for programming links. Programming. Programming. Programming. | null | 0 | 1316844117 | False | 0 | c2m7g95 | t3_kptyd | null | t1_c2m7g95 | t3_kptyd | null | 1427640476 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | rookie_MP | null | I think I scope more often than not refers actually to a a container of variables. Variables can defined in a scope, and thus, are an element of that scope.
Therefor, in FACT, the state of a scope can be changed, as well as it's elements.
Simply put, if you have a scope x and define with in it a variable y, you can change y. | null | 0 | 1316844134 | False | 0 | c2m7gb8 | t3_kpqzv | null | t1_c2m7gb8 | t1_c2m7cog | null | 1427640477 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1316844388 | False | 0 | c2m7h19 | t3_kp1pf | null | t1_c2m7h19 | t1_c2m665d | null | 1427640494 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | jmdavis | null | Except that that's at the very _core_ of the tabs vs spaces holy war. Per the spaces camp, tabs should _never_ be used. Per the tabs camp, tabs should be used strictly for indentation levels as you suggest. This is what happens when someone suggests that they mix: http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs-en/TabsvsSpaces :) | null | 0 | 1316844835 | False | 0 | c2m7ieq | t3_kooiy | null | t1_c2m7ieq | t1_c2m7eqm | null | 1427640505 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | abw | null | Silverwhat?
Oh yeah, I remember going to a web site and seeing a prompt to install it. So I just went to a different site instead. | null | 0 | 1316845296 | False | 0 | c2m7jt2 | t3_ko2wv | null | t1_c2m7jt2 | t3_ko2wv | null | 1427640522 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | wurzelg | null | LocalStorage and cache manifests work fine on Android too. | null | 0 | 1316845544 | False | 0 | c2m7kj8 | t3_kpgmn | null | t1_c2m7kj8 | t1_c2m5vc1 | null | 1427640531 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | wurzelg | null | I meant that with PhoneGap, you can run the app without a data connection. Essentially you bundle the HTML5 & JS + resources into a native app-type container and distribute via App Store, Market, whatever. | null | 0 | 1316845603 | False | 0 | c2m7kp5 | t3_kpgmn | null | t1_c2m7kp5 | t1_c2m5wko | null | 1427640535 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | wurzelg | null | Why isn't it a good choice if it is a dynamic app? Gmail is a dynamic app. As is Google Reader.
Do you mean not a good choice for heavily graphical or multimedia apps e.g. games? Then I would agree. | null | 0 | 1316845696 | False | 0 | c2m7kxq | t3_kpgmn | null | t1_c2m7kxq | t1_c2m7478 | null | 1427640540 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | wurzelg | null | That is pretty sad. | null | 0 | 1316845732 | False | 0 | c2m7l1r | t3_kpgmn | null | t1_c2m7l1r | t1_c2m60qn | null | 1427640541 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | wurzelg | null | Honestly I forgot about WP. Heh. | null | 0 | 1316845821 | False | 0 | c2m7lb4 | t3_kpgmn | null | t1_c2m7lb4 | t1_c2m681w | null | 1427640543 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | f2u | null | > What the hell is "open core," some kind of crazy doublespeak licensing that means the opposite of "open source?"
It means that only part of the product is released as free software. For example, copying and altering the documentation might not be allowed. Curiously, this is precisely what Monty did when he controlled the copyright, so it's a bit hypocritical to complain about this after he's sold those rights. | null | 0 | 1316845842 | False | 0 | c2m7ldz | t3_kpecl | null | t1_c2m7ldz | t1_c2m5u7o | null | 1427640544 | 10 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | NitWit005 | null | A lot of "intuitive" hiring techniques like this fall into the trap of basically hiring people the manager finds likable instead of finding something correlated with productivity. It seems he likes extroverts with strong opinions that make eye contact. I'm not sure he's going to do better than throwing dice with that standard. | null | 0 | 1316846469 | False | 0 | c2m7n19 | t3_korcu | null | t1_c2m7n19 | t3_korcu | null | 1427640564 | 8 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | masterofallisurvey | null | Not trolling. Glad to be done with the f'n website. | null | 0 | 1316846588 | False | 0 | c2m7ncs | t3_kp0u2 | null | t1_c2m7ncs | t1_c2m3cm8 | null | 1427640569 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | simonask | null | Call me when a web browser starts dealing with hardware. | null | 0 | 1316846711 | False | 0 | c2m7no0 | t3_kos4z | null | t1_c2m7no0 | t1_c2lzc6x | null | 1427640573 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | dontforgetpassword | null | Solution: sencha touch | null | 0 | 1316846753 | False | 0 | c2m7ns3 | t3_kpgmn | null | t1_c2m7ns3 | t3_kpgmn | null | 1427640574 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | mentalisp | null |
[List of changes](https://github.com/clojure/clojure/blob/1.3.x/changes.txt) | null | 0 | 1316846922 | False | 0 | c2m7o76 | t3_kpk8d | null | t1_c2m7o76 | t3_kpk8d | null | 1427640580 | 19 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | ioquatix | null | Isn't that similar to almost every other programming language? | null | 0 | 1316847041 | False | 0 | c2m7oj6 | t3_kpqzv | null | t1_c2m7oj6 | t1_c2m7gb8 | null | 1427640585 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | rookie_MP | null | In other programming languages scopes cannot be stored (I'm sorry, I should have made that clearer). So even when a scope is no longer in context, its elements can be accessed. | null | 0 | 1316847194 | False | 0 | c2m7oxh | t3_kpqzv | null | t1_c2m7oxh | t1_c2m7oj6 | null | 1427640590 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | worshipthis | null | This post is exactly why I cannot ever, ever, ever work for a company like Microsoft.
From the writer's ritalin-infused stream-of-consciousness-ending-with-an-inappropriate-questionmark style, to the palpable sense of mega-clusterfuckedness that emanates from the piece, even to the pitiable attempts of an obvious sociopath feigning some expected empathy for his former teammates, the whole thing just reeked of something deeply corrupt, and rotten to the core.
But it sure rang true.
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True | arbitrary-fan | null | What hoops?
You should be able to build out an offline webapp on iOS/Android exactly the same way as you would on desktop browsers (Firefox/Chrome/etc) | null | 0 | 1316848206 | False | 0 | c2m7rgi | t3_kpgmn | null | t1_c2m7rgi | t1_c2m5vc1 | null | 1427640623 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | node159 | null | Wasn't implying that Oracle DBA's are useless by default either, but these guys fit the bill of the typical useless DBA to a tee. | null | 0 | 1316848559 | False | 0 | c2m7sbq | t3_ko3r2 | null | t1_c2m7sbq | t1_c2m0srm | null | 1427640634 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | >You've STILL not said a single thing wrong with this platform
I don't have to. You are an insane person. That's all there is to it.
>Seriously, do a google search for this shit and look at how many people are doing this exact thing.
After you said it I did a search. I did not find anybody who advocated developing in Visual Studio in windows and deploying to Linux.
Not one.
>Cry some more.
You are insane. You need to get your head examined. | null | 0 | 1316848769 | False | 0 | c2m7ss4 | t3_kgl4f | null | t1_c2m7ss4 | t1_c2m020i | null | 1427640639 | -1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | urmyheartBeatStopR | null | Blogger stated that quad core is going to solve the problem. I don't see how core count is going to help when you can't multi thread javascript? Intel recently release a project to do so.
But still, does core matter for web app? | null | 0 | 1316848899 | False | 0 | c2m7t39 | t3_kpgmn | null | t1_c2m7t39 | t3_kpgmn | null | 1427640644 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | Companies use Oracle because it offers serious performance under heavy load. They probably use Mysql because it's cheap, popular, well documented, and has a large community.
Now that Oracle can offer support and service it probably gives them more of a reason to use it not less. | null | 0 | 1316849079 | False | 0 | c2m7ti4 | t3_ko20r | null | t1_c2m7ti4 | t1_c2lv155 | null | 1427640656 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | nibot | null | Awesome! I have been wanting exactly this. | null | 0 | 1316849083 | False | 0 | c2m7tii | t3_koxfh | null | t1_c2m7tii | t1_c2lziem | null | 1427640656 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | wreckerone | null | >his definition of passion or 'spark' sounds like it's 'inspire motivation in others'. If I went to a professor in the my college's math department and asked him why 2+2=4 and he 100% blew me off, I'd feel pretty uninspired.
Well are we talking about inspiring amateurs or coworkers? Because, the coworker of a professor is another professor and they shouldn't be asking why 2+2=4.
>And on that vein, can you really make the case that passion in people who pursue a doctoral degree comes after they get the doctorate?
I'm not making this case. They are motivated before by the desire to be better than everyone else in their field. Without passion they would have no 'field'.
>So what is passion?
To the glorified hr reps it is a person doing their job, their manager's job, and his managers job, and working all weekend for free in hopes of promotion. In this sense, passion is a play of trading time and effort for the possibility of more power in the future. A passionate person to managers is someone jumping for the carrot at the end of the stick rather than merely reaching for it.
>Others have posted here that some companies don't have an interest in 'passionate' programmers and others 'sap passion' from programmers
Companies are incapable of harnessing true passion of programmers, because to do so would be to admit to them decision making abilities. Passionate developers can put together systems in just a few days which far outstrips a manager's ability to follow along and hand out work. Developer's analytical abilities are also far better than the average, so even the business analysis is better done at the developer's hands. However, this is not acceptable in corporate team culture, so developers are frogmarched slowly for months and months at the speed of the slowest and dumbest person on the team. The interference non-developer types will run is intense. They make the project more chaotic in order to gain more control over it by reassigning people, shifting priorities daily, starting and ending pet projects. Pure bullshit meant to slow the tech team down to a "manageable" speed.
Passionate developers realize that, "hey I could make this same software for myself in a couple days and not have to explain every detail to a half dozen people who don't want to get left behind and, let's face it, didn't follow a technical path for a reason." So they leave or stay for money.
>So I guess the most important thing to identifying 'passion' (and let's just call it motivation?) is understanding why that person came to your company.
It's money, 100% of the time. If it's not, the bullshit level will ensure it is money very quickly. There is no passion in corporations. So called innovation is done through acquisitions of small private companies which were started by someone following their passion.
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True | [deleted] | null | This is a common tactic in the open source world. Even with postgres. EnterpriseDB and others have proprietary add ons to postgres.
It's not just databases either. Many open source projects have proprietary add ons and plugins. | null | 0 | 1316849250 | False | 0 | c2m7tw9 | t3_ko20r | null | t1_c2m7tw9 | t3_ko20r | null | 1427640660 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | I hadn't heard of SkySQL so I checked them out. They are not writing a new database, they are just a service and support company that supports drizzle, mariadb and mysql.
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True | calabazasupremo | null | It definitely affects how quickly the device can load and display the site assets, and makes things generally snappier. However, I don't think "design for the speedy new whizbangs" is a sound approach for a mobile app that wants to reach a wide market. | null | 0 | 1316849683 | False | 0 | c2m7uun | t3_kpgmn | null | t1_c2m7uun | t1_c2m7t39 | null | 1427640670 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | arbitrary-fan | null | Is it even worth thinking about Windows Phones?
iOS and Android phones have consisted of roughly 97% of all my mobile traffic, with Blackberry hitting around 1.7%
I simply focused on webkit based browsers, and made my life so much easier not having to think about anything else. I don't even bother looking at the site in blackberry, let alone a windows phone.
My testing routine usually goes something like this:
1. Develop using Chrome as reference - ok it works
2. Oh hey it also works in firefox without a hitch. Neato
3. Check on the mac using iphone simulator to test out touch events
4. Grab an old iphone 3G to look for performance issues
5. Grab an old android phone to look for performance issues
Simply getting it working on Chrome has had all the other browsers fall into place which made the only delay be performance tweaking for older phones. Even then the only real performance issue I found was the choppy scrolling on Android when using CSS dropshadows(simply workaround for that was to replace the dropshadows with a simple gray border, and scrolling stopped being choppy). A large % of iOS/Android devices already support hardware-accelerated css transition effects, so that made things very very convenient to do animations.
Just get it working on Chrome and you're done. I'll worry about BB and WP support once they do 5% of my mobile traffic - which doesn't look to be happening anytime soon. | null | 0 | 1316850013 | False | 0 | c2m7vkp | t3_kpgmn | null | t1_c2m7vkp | t1_c2m7lb4 | null | 1427640677 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Leonidas_from_XIV | null | Ok, so you want to deprecate the by far most popular protocol on the planet. By something new. Not by something that already exists and is rather popular (writing this post over HTTPS).
What will most likely happen is that we get three different protocols working at the same time. Oh, and of course HTTP/1.0 as well. | null | 0 | 1316850602 | False | 0 | c2m7wty | t3_kp1b5 | null | t1_c2m7wty | t1_c2m4rhd | null | 1427640695 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | zingbot3000 | null | I want to think that he's just that dumb. The idea that he might have dictated it ruins that fantasy for me. | null | 0 | 1316850620 | False | 0 | c2m7wvb | t3_ko2wv | null | t1_c2m7wvb | t1_c2lv2ka | null | 1427640695 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | zingbot3000 | null | Well, how NOT to use one. | null | 0 | 1316850939 | False | 0 | c2m7xk4 | t3_ko2wv | null | t1_c2m7xk4 | t1_c2ltwf1 | null | 1427640703 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Koreija | null | Did you mean: *None of those are about mercury the programming language, and all are about software.* | null | 0 | 1316850952 | False | 0 | c2m7xkr | t3_kolze | null | t1_c2m7xkr | t1_c2m45eo | null | 1427640703 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | zingbot3000 | null | That's fair, but shouldn't a project leader know that difference? Or a Microsoft Evangelist? It seems that written communication must be at least part of those jobs, and he's just fucking terrible at it. | null | 0 | 1316851265 | False | 0 | c2m7y6h | t3_ko2wv | null | t1_c2m7y6h | t1_c2lx24m | null | 1427640711 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | ioquatix | null | My own programming language has the same property, in LISP they are called environments. Even the recently posted lisp implementation in python supported this kind of manipulation.
This kind of manipulation is typically called a closure, where you close over some scope to retain that environment. Not all languages allow you to add new variables, but you can typically manipulate existing variables.
For an example of my own language see <http://kai.oriontransfer.co.nz/demo/index?ex=Lambda_Doubling> | null | 0 | 1316851534 | False | 0 | c2m7yqd | t3_kpqzv | null | t1_c2m7yqd | t1_c2m7oxh | null | 1427640719 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | davebrk | null | Just to clarify: I'm not the one who posted it to Hackernews. I'm also not affiliated in any way with the Rust team. The dropbox link is to Patrick Walton's account who gave the talk and is part of Rust team. | null | 0 | 1316852183 | False | 0 | c2m7zyp | t3_kos4z | null | t1_c2m7zyp | t1_c2lzzc7 | null | 1427640735 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | joehillen | null | These things take time. | null | 0 | 1316853159 | False | 0 | c2m81q9 | t3_kpecl | null | t1_c2m81q9 | t1_c2m6360 | null | 1427640756 | 7 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | pingveno | null | With Python 3, it increases to 33. print and exec are turned into functions (-2). None, True, and False are converted into keywords (+3). [nonlocal](http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-3104/) is added (+1). | null | 0 | 1316854030 | False | 0 | c2m83ae | t3_kos4z | null | t1_c2m83ae | t1_c2m46f0 | null | 1427640777 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Grue | null | This is hilarious.
>Earmuffed Vars Are No Longer Automatically Considered Dynamic.
hahahaha
>(let [x (range 5)]
>(print-table [:fred :barney] [{:fred "ethel"} {:fred "wilma" :barney "betty"}])
>(def ^:const e (:e constants))
Yeah, let's add some random syntactic sugar to lisp, not that it defeats the entire point of the language or anything.
Remind me again, why do people take Clojure seriously?
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True | Leonidas_from_XIV | null | > Remind me again, why do people take Clojure seriously?
Because it works. | null | 0 | 1316855152 | False | 0 | c2m8582 | t3_kpk8d | null | t1_c2m8582 | t1_c2m84li | null | 1427640804 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | If learning a language if even just for experimentation and to waste time needs to be commercially driven then I'm sorry to be the one to point it out but you've certainly got more than 99 problems...
EDIT: also, employers, **good employers** don't need nor want someone who knows xyz. They want someone who can learn, is willing to learn and is willing to adapt to future changes, blah blah... also, your list destroys your whole argument and pretty much only shows your ignorance..
Just saying... | null | 0 | 1316855413 | False | 0 | c2m85nl | t3_kos4z | null | t1_c2m85nl | t1_c2lzpws | null | 1427640809 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | mrmulyani | null | Care to share with is your depth of experience with Lisp, or programming in general? You clearly have no practical experience with Clojure (only a complete moron would take the time to learn a language they're so quick to rubbish, right?), so I'd like to know whether you have the intellectual authority to slander one language in light of another in such a flippant and dismissive way. Not that I think you are a fuckwit or anything. | null | 0 | 1316855565 | True | 0 | c2m85wn | t3_kpk8d | null | t1_c2m85wn | t1_c2m84li | null | 1427640811 | 7 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Grue | null | Lots of things work. Might as well choose a programming language that isn't a joke. | null | 0 | 1316855593 | False | 0 | c2m85yg | t3_kpk8d | null | t1_c2m85yg | t1_c2m8582 | null | 1427640812 | -16 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Grue | null | >Care to share with is your depth of experience with Lisp, or programming in general?
About 5 years of experience with Common Lisp.
>You clearly have no practical experience with Clojure (only a complete moron would
Well said. | null | 0 | 1316855757 | False | 0 | c2m8673 | t3_kpk8d | null | t1_c2m8673 | t1_c2m85wn | null | 1428193296 | -10 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | FrankBattaglia | null | >I couldn't find the original data that I had used, but here's Census data that pretty much says the same thing.
Fair enough.
>So if there are a lot of people that have computers, there are incentives for firms to innovate, which leads to the growth of industry, which necessitates the laws concerning that industry.
You're putting the cart before the horse. Patent law is not used to regulate innovation; patent law's sole purpose (in the United States, at least, under the Jeffersonian theory) is to provide an incentive to innovate. If you are saying that increased consumer adoption provides an increased incentive to innovate (which, I would say, is certainly the case), then it also provides a *decreased* need for patent protection.
To put it a little more concretely, assume you can capture an extra 5% of the market by being the first to market or best of breed (i.e., by innovating), regardless of patents (this is not an unreasonable assumption in an industry as dependent on network effects as software). If your total market is small, that 5% isn't worth the cost of innovation. If your market is huge, that 5% can be a game changer. In the former case, because innovation by itself doesn't provide enough incentive, we add in patent protection as a bonus. In the latter case, patent protection is unnecessary.
>I'm trying to run this one through my brain and I'm not able to wrap my mind around it...is the cost of hardware really that big of a role in the end-cost of software development? My guess would have been that R&D and production are the major factors in software costs.
The rapidly falling cost and widespread distribution of hardware (i.e., the only "capital" necessary for a software company) has had a drastic unbalancing effect on the quid pro quo of software patents.
Think about it in comparison to, for example, the auto industry (this really applies to any of the other hard industries, e.g., biochem, medicine, aviation, electrical engineering, etc.). In the auto industry, there are maybe a dozen actual players with the means to innovate in a meaningful sense. It is conceivable that none of these dozen entities would bother to innovate in a certain area (say, efficient electric vehicles). The costs of R&D may be too high to take such a risk. So, society offers some bonuses, such as tax subsidies, and market exclusivity (i.e., patents). These help to ensure that the R&D budget can be recuperated, and (under certain circumstances), can be seen as a necessary measure to ensure that at least one of these few companies takes some initiative.
With software, on the other hand, innovation is widespread. Any developer with a few years of training (so we're talking tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands maybe) can make a meaningful advance in the field. If you're waiting for someone to innovate, it's much less likely that a field with so many players would all stagnate. *Someone* will push forward, if just for the fun of it. Which highlights the fact that, because of cheap hardware, anybody *can* put in the R&D "for the fun of it." Currently programmers donate hundreds and thousands of hours per year to open source / free software, because the investment costs are pretty low. So, to contrast with the auto industry, we have a lot of players who can all put in R&D on the cheap. That's not an environment that requires *additional* incentives via patent protection.
On the other side of the coin is the cost that society pays for the increased innovation. Again, looking at the auto industry, the cost isn't too high. If you want to start manufacturing cars, you have millions in capital costs; factories, car designs, workers, distribution, marketing, raw materials, etc. The additional cost of acquiring a lawyer and clearing the necessary patent licenses is a drop in the bucket. So we can say that in the auto industry, the number of competitors is not meaningfully decreased by the presence of patents.
Contrast this with the software industry. A software developer has, essentially, zero capital costs. Maybe a $300 computer. If the developer is really ambitious and starting a new company, maybe hire a few programmers for a year, so let's be generous and say $250,000, at the extreme high end, but that's really it. Well, that *would* be it, without software patents. Hiring a lawyer and acquiring necessary patent licenses can easily dwarf any other up front costs of the software developer. So, we have a situation in the software field where the existence of patents almost certainly *decreases* the number of competitors and contributors.
In short, because computers (the capital for software developers) are cheap, software patents are less necessary and do more harm than other industries that require vastly more extensive capital outlays.
>If there were a patent process to get through to the App Store, you'd have far fewer, but better developed apps.
I fail to understand why you think an exclusive club would encourage developers to invest any more than the bare minimum necessary. As it stands, Apps compete. If one app sits on its laurels, another will add a new feature in an attempt to capture market share. In your model, the first office app could just exclude all competition and never be incentivized to add features.
>I see IPR for software through the lens of a social utilitarian, as a method to affect social planning. The purpose is NOT to maximize the quantity of software programs developed, it's to ensure that the number of entrants into the market is at a socially optimal level.
The socially optimal level of entrants is determined by a free market, not central planning. That system was tried and failed.
>Incidentally, I looked into the State St. ruling and I'm a tad confused as to how that applies to software. It was a business method, not a software algorithm or software process.
Well, you'd have to read the case itself, maybe, to see how that particular case applies to software. In short, the patented system was arguably novel in how the computers manipulated data -- i.e., software. In this case, the result of said software was a dollar amount, and so the court in that instance was concerned with its characterization as a "business method," but in reality it was software under review. But the *holding* (or even subject matter) of *State Street* isn't germaine; what is germaine is the effect. To wit, State Street was the seal of approval on software patents which had previously been verboten. Thus any argument about the economic impact, and impact on rate of innovation, created by software patents must consider any pre-*State Street* data differently form any post-*State Street* data. | null | 0 | 1316855904 | True | 0 | c2m86ep | t3_kosg9 | null | t1_c2m86ep | t1_c2m5trt | null | 1427640818 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | mrmulyani | null | That's what I get for trying to respond with my phone...
(for those who don't get this response or the immediate parent, I accidentally submitted my response from my phone prior to completion (call it a touchographical error)). | null | 0 | 1316856141 | True | 0 | c2m86re | t3_kpk8d | null | t1_c2m86re | t1_c2m8673 | null | 1427640824 | 8 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | shevegen | null | And ... why does anyone need it? | null | 0 | 1316856257 | False | 0 | c2m86xr | t3_kpk8d | null | t1_c2m86xr | t3_kpk8d | null | 1427640826 | -21 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | nepidae | null | Bullshit.
1) If a company spends time and effort into code, they should be free to license it how they please (as long as they abide by any other licenses.) If people don't find value in their code, they won't pay for it and the project will die.
2) I that the community is doomed to be dependent on close-source sql software.
3) There are other open source databases besides MySQL. | null | 0 | 1316856433 | False | 0 | c2m876p | t3_kpecl | null | t1_c2m876p | t1_c2m60b5 | null | 1427640829 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | I'm also very strict about braces as well and I must admit I've refused to write a patch in the past because upstream got annoyed that I added them but anyway... I also don't allow that form either. It *must* have braces because it's hard to read without them. here's why:
if (foo) fubar();
bar();
reading this, in most cases if you're not careful you completely skip over `fubar();`. Even worse(and I've actually seen bugs introduced this way)
if (foo) fubar();
helloworld();
here I've managed to completely miss the `fubar()` when updating an api or something. I've gone in and changed it based on the assumption that `helloworld()` will only run if `foo` is truthy thus leading to all kinds and subtle and hard to find bugs. | null | 0 | 1316856538 | False | 0 | c2m87ci | t3_kooiy | null | t1_c2m87ci | t1_c2m2vpq | null | 1427640831 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | Perhaps you missed the 90's where companies tried this to lock people into their technologies.
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True | nepidae | null | You expect them to add new features for free? | null | 0 | 1316856567 | False | 0 | c2m87du | t3_kpecl | null | t1_c2m87du | t1_c2m5rpv | null | 1427640832 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | nepidae | null | I would be interested to know more. Did the version that you were using suddenly stop working? | null | 0 | 1316856640 | False | 0 | c2m87hs | t3_kpecl | null | t1_c2m87hs | t1_c2m6bgt | null | 1428193294 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | At least Golang enforces braces everywhere Now we'll have to find something else to argue about. | null | 0 | 1316856861 | False | 0 | c2m87u0 | t3_kooiy | null | t1_c2m87u0 | t1_c2m0n2b | null | 1427640837 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | gribbly | null | >Is it even worth thinking about Windows Phones?
Not unless something changes. Never count MS out, but WP is nowhere right now. | null | 0 | 1316857110 | False | 0 | c2m886b | t3_kpgmn | null | t1_c2m886b | t1_c2m7vkp | null | 1428193291 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | Reddit's trying to do an SQL injection on my browser! | null | 0 | 1316857189 | False | 0 | c2m88a0 | t3_kmevq | null | t1_c2m88a0 | t1_c2lkxnm | null | 1427640849 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | stilton | null | I was probably not clear. In this example a was not deinitialized; both a and b exist and get destroyed at the end of the function because assigning a to b makes a copy of a. If the example had moved a into b, denoted by 'let b <- a', then a would have been deinitialized. | null | 0 | 1316857368 | False | 0 | c2m88il | t3_kos4z | null | t1_c2m88il | t1_c2m6zr3 | null | 1427640858 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | markrmarkr | null | As you can work around the design flaw of brace-using languages by always including the braces. | null | 0 | 1316857449 | False | 0 | c2m88ml | t3_kooiy | null | t1_c2m88ml | t1_c2m5x6y | null | 1427640853 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | mrargh | null | No, it isn't. | null | 0 | 1316857579 | False | 0 | c2m88tb | t3_kpecl | null | t1_c2m88tb | t1_c2m79ec | null | 1427640861 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | Explain how it's different. | null | 0 | 1316857648 | False | 0 | c2m88xb | t3_kpecl | null | t1_c2m88xb | t1_c2m88tb | null | 1427640857 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | comex | null | Many mobile web frameworks on one hand seem to pay more attention to features than performance, and on the other pretend to be UIKit while being cavalier about actually mimicking the behavior correctly.
* No, your website is [not awesome enough](http://blogs.msdn.com/b/oldnewthing/archive/2010/07/21/10040699.aspx) to use a custom scroll view, not unless you've reverse engineered the real implementation and optimized the hell out of your code, because otherwise the result is uncanny valley at low FPS.
* Yes, the half hour required to [copy the correct animation for navigation bars](http://watchingapple.com/2009/11/a-closer-look-at-iphone-transition-animations/) is important.
* No, even though WebKit CSS transitions are weird, having the content jump around before transitioning to the new view is not acceptable.
Browsers are part of the problem, but so are sloppy web frameworks-- though many exist, I'd like to see a new one started with the premise of *not sucking*.
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True | gasche | null | I'm unconvinced by the addition of `every-pred` and `some-fn`. It's not those two function per se, but rather the whole set of predicate combinators which is beginning to show its age and evolutionary design, lacking consistency.
The feature has been discussed [in this bug report](http://dev.clojure.org/jira/browse/CLJ-729). In it we learn in particular the rationale for the apparently surprising naming with "-pred" after `every` and "-fn" after `some` : `every-pred` coerces its result to boolean, while `some-fn` returns its first "logical true value" (not necessarily 'true' or 'false'), hence the naming suggesting that it is not a predicate. Sensible (but then why don't we have `some-pred` and `every-fn` for consistency ?), but smelly.
In the core language, the convention is to use a question mark to denote an always-boolean return or a potential "logical boolean", hence `every?` but `some` -- but why aren't `every` and `some?` available?. A more regular choice would have been to keep that convention, using `every?-fn` and `some-fn` for example.
Another inconsistency is that `every?` and `some` do not operate on multiple arguments, but on collection of arguments. There are no collection around every-pred and some-fn : they take multiple predicateys, and return a function taking multiple inputs.
A more consistent interface for extending every and some would have been
(defn every?-fn [preds coll] (every? #(every? % coll) preds))
(defn some-fn [preds coll] (some #(some % coll) preds))
The current operators are more reminiscent of `and` and `or` -- and they were designed for this at the beginning, see the bugtracker entry linked above -- and would therefore have been more happily named `and-fn` and `or-fn`, or something of that kind. | null | 0 | 1316857972 | True | 0 | c2m89db | t3_kpk8d | null | t1_c2m89db | t3_kpk8d | null | 1427640862 | 13 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | ErstwhileRockstar | null | 'multi-paradigm' actually is an anti-concept. A language should 'speak' one general idea even if it's based on multiple paradigms. | null | 0 | 1316858345 | False | 0 | c2m89vi | t3_kos4z | null | t1_c2m89vi | t1_c2m3wjz | null | 1427640866 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | MarshallBanana | null | Dude, you have issues. Seriously. | null | 0 | 1316858606 | False | 0 | c2m8a7k | t3_kp1b5 | null | t1_c2m8a7k | t1_c2m4n3h | null | 1427640868 | 7 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | MarshallBanana | null | They are anything but well-argued, actually. And it is extremely obvious the guy just holds some kind of giant grudge against Google. | null | 0 | 1316858698 | False | 0 | c2m8ac9 | t3_kp1b5 | null | t1_c2m8ac9 | t1_c2m5ph7 | null | 1427640869 | 9 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | ErstwhileRockstar | null | Interior types, unique types, boxed types ... too much noise. This should be transparent for users. Only 'KISS-languages' have a chance of succeeding.
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True | ErstwhileRockstar | null | One thing I haven't seen mentioned anywhere is versioning. Any new language should contain a tag which identifies the language version used for the unit of code, e.g.
version 1.0;
use std;
import std::{ int, vec };
fn main(grades : [str]) { ...
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True | gasche | null | One more thing, maybe more subjective: I find it distasteful that the semantics of those operators describes both the meaning of multiple predicates (predicate conjunction for `every-pred`, predicatey disjunction for `some-fn`), and the meaning of multiple arguments (conjunction for `every-pred`, disjunction for `some-fn`). More atomic blocks are missing, that would only take a collection of predicates, or multiple predicate arguments, and return a predicate taking only one argument.
The reason why this would be useful is that, in my opinion, when considering an arbitrary predicate taking only one argument, there is a consistent convention as to how to extend it to multiple argument : taking the conjunction of its values on all arguments. For example, if `(nil? 1 nil)` meant something, I think it should return `false`.
Now say you have `some?-fn`, a predicate-building function that takes a collection of predicates (or multiple predicate arguments) and returns a predicate accepting only one argument. If you extend it to multiple arguments in this way, you get something that is *not* `some-fn` as currently implemented. In this sense -- and under those assumptions -- you cannot consider the current `some-fn` a proper predicatey building function, even if it behaves correctly when restricted to a single argument. | null | 0 | 1316859394 | True | 0 | c2m8bb7 | t3_kpk8d | null | t1_c2m8bb7 | t1_c2m89db | null | 1427640883 | 8 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Angstweevil | null | Well I couldn't think of a non-lame usage, but I didn't want to exclude the possibility of one existing. Indeed I was rather hoping that I'd be inundated with good examples.
Ah well. LinkedIn it is then. | null | 0 | 1316859841 | False | 0 | c2m8bxl | t3_kp0u2 | null | t1_c2m8bxl | t1_c2m3yab | null | 1427640890 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | ShardPhoenix | null | Yeah, better to keep the syntax as unreadable as possible. | null | 0 | 1316859844 | False | 0 | c2m8bxp | t3_kpk8d | null | t1_c2m8bxp | t1_c2m84li | null | 1427640890 | -3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | muyuu | null | Link to the basic html version: https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=html&zy=h | null | 0 | 1316860330 | False | 0 | c2m8ck6 | t3_kpgmn | null | t1_c2m8ck6 | t1_c2m60qn | null | 1427640900 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | AeroNotix | null | Backticks, in 2011? | null | 0 | 1316861118 | False | 0 | c2m8dmh | t3_kpqzv | null | t1_c2m8dmh | t1_c2m7yqd | null | 1427640915 | -4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | chris3110 | null | > No social life
Maybe the guy has a *real* social life you know, with (shudder) flesh and bones friends and the like! | null | 0 | 1316861177 | False | 0 | c2m8dor | t3_kp0u2 | null | t1_c2m8dor | t1_c2m20fx | null | 1427640915 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | jonforthewin | null | > made up of many great developers but much
> much larger number of average developers.
This is very true in certain places (some of them broad), and very untrue in other places.
> Elitism is funny until you start going around insulting people.
> Then it's just wrong and ignorant.
Bullshit. There is no "elitism". If wifi breaks across releases, even across releases from an irresponsible distributor like the Ubuntu project, YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING WRONG. | null | 0 | 1316861226 | False | 0 | c2m8dr8 | t3_kl7h0 | null | t1_c2m8dr8 | t1_c2l9tfq | null | 1427640915 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | erratic3 | null | [Link](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kannada#ref_U0C80_as_of_Unicode_version) | null | 0 | 1316861449 | False | 0 | c2m8e1w | t3_klhlv | null | t1_c2m8e1w | t1_c2l89qs | null | 1427640920 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | nyxerebos | null | There is a bit in *The God Delusion* where Dawkins talks about how the human mind is wonderfully tuned by evolution to apprehend and solve the real world problems of our plains-dwelling ancestors. We can easily imagine 'two rabbits' but '7 quadrillion electrons' requires analogy or metaphor to something we can relate to.
For this question at least I had to draw Venn diagrams in my head, because I have an intuitive understanding of 2d space but not of logical relations. Use of this analogy to understand sets is a skill, not an innate ability, so it should be no surprise that some have yet to develop it.
Likewise, for pointers we're imagining boxes with numbers in them, not the electrical state of CMOS flip-flops. We're not literally imagining the pointer, we're resorting to an analogy, and being able to come up with and use that analogy of memory and processors is not so trivial, even if we on this subreddit are all practiced at it.
I can't put myself in the head of someone who doesn't 'get it', because I do. But I have a really hard time with integration in calculus, I'll be at a lecture and 90% of the audience has some kind of lightbulb moment and understands, and I do not. I may be able to follow the lecturer sentence to sentence, but I couldn't come up with what he was saying. I've probably tried a dozen times to learn this, people say "It's so simple really, you just... think of it like..." But I don't get it, and not for lack of trying, and not due to being thick, I understand lots of high level abstractions others struggle with.
So I don't think we should be so quick to dismiss the difficulty some have with programming. | null | 0 | 1316861674 | True | 0 | c2m8ebj | t3_kogj4 | null | t1_c2m8ebj | t1_c2lzqcn | null | 1427640922 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | SupremeFuzzler | null | I guess by hoops I just meant that I had a rough time at first making sure my manifest was updated every time I changed a source file. Using a script to make a dynamic manifest file solves that though. It's good to know that Android supports everything. My Android experience is nonexistent.
Edit: I also remembered that checking whether the data connection is available or not is not as straightforward as I'd hoped. There is a 'navigator.online' DOM property, but it can give false positives on some platforms. So you need to request a resource on your server and fall back to the offline page if the request fails. No big deal, but it tripped me up a bit. | null | 0 | 1316861725 | True | 0 | c2m8edg | t3_kpgmn | null | t1_c2m8edg | t1_c2m7rgi | null | 1427640923 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1316862005 | True | 0 | c2m8eqg | t3_kpwjl | null | t1_c2m8eqg | t3_kpwjl | null | 1427640928 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | skulgnome | null | Screw this. We have a parser rule. Indentation should bloody well follow that. Confusing situations can be documented and/or avoided. | null | 0 | 1316862099 | False | 0 | c2m8euq | t3_kooiy | null | t1_c2m8euq | t3_kooiy | null | 1427640929 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | sickofthisshit | null | I have to admit I was a bit disappointed. I was hoping to find people dealing with numbers large enough that you could only hope to store the logarithm in *memory*, much less in an IEEE double. | null | 0 | 1316862225 | False | 0 | c2m8f09 | t3_koio1 | null | t1_c2m8f09 | t3_koio1 | null | 1427640931 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | johnwaterwood | null | Which was then itself Eclipsed by Netbeans... | null | 0 | 1316862350 | False | 0 | c2m8f63 | t3_knx2p | null | t1_c2m8f63 | t1_c2m58u9 | null | 1427640933 | -1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | marfis | null | If you really insist in making the {} mandatory, you've never used c-style languages the right way. | null | 0 | 1316862532 | False | 0 | c2m8feb | t3_kooiy | null | t1_c2m8feb | t1_c2m786c | null | 1427640935 | -1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
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