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Do all those who are saying the government is responsible for the death
of those in the compound also say that the Isrealis are responsible
for the death of the Isreali athletes at the Olympics? Hey, the
Palestinians and the Dividians COULD have given up peacefully ('yeah,
and monkey could fly out my butt' - Wayne).
Richard
| 18talk.politics.misc |
Chris Herringshaw (tdawson@engin.umich.edu) wrote:
: Concerning the proposed newsgroup split, I personally am not in favor of
: doing this. I learn an awful lot about all aspects of graphics by reading
: this group, from code to hardware to algorithms. I just think making 5
: different groups out of this is a wate, and will only result in a few posts
: a week per group. I kind of like the convenience of having one big forum
: for discussing all aspects of graphics. Anyone else feel this way?
: Just curious.
:
:
: Daemon
:
Yes. I also like knowing where to go to ask a question without getting
hell for putting it in the wrong newsgroup.
Phil Martin.
| 1comp.graphics |
In article <C5IJ7H.L95@news.iastate.edu>, jrbeach@iastate.edu (Jeffry R Beach) writes:
> In article <1993Apr15.021021.7538@gordian.com> mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) writes:
> >In article <C5HuH1.241@news.iastate.edu>, jrbeach@iastate.edu (Jeffry R Beach) writes:
> >> Think about it -- shouldn't all drugs then be legalized, it would lower
> >> the cost and definitely make them safer to use.
> >
> > Yes.
> >
> >> I don't think we want to start using these criterion to determine
> >> legality.
> >
> > Why not?
>
>
> Where do they get these people?!
What, pray tell, does this mean? Just who exactly is *they*?
You mean "they" as in people who do not blindly swallow every
piece of propoganda they are given? Or "they" as in NOKD (not
our kind, dear). Or "they" as in an appeal to some audience
that is supposed to implicitly know and understand?
> I really don't want to waste time in
> here to do battle about the legalization of drugs. If you really want to, we
> can get into it and prove just how idiotic that idea is!
Read: I do not know what the fuck I'm talking about, and am
not eager to make a fool of myself.
> My point was that it is pretty stupid to justify legalizing something just
> because it will be safer and cheaper.
From a pragmatic standpoint, there certainly is some justification
if it is a vice people will commit anyway. Shall we criminalize
alcohol again? If the re-legalization for alcohol were done from
anything other than the pragmatic standpoint, I'd be happy to hear
about it. The fact is that it wasn't.
> A few more ideas to hold to these criterion - prostitution; the killing of all
> funny farm patients, AIDS "victims", elderly, unemployed, prisioners, etc. -
> this would surely make my taxes decrease.
Only the first one make any sense. There is nothing to "legalize"
about all the rest. Just in case you haven't made the connection
(which I expect you haven't) the connecting theme in this thread is
a persons autonomy over their life and body. Vice statutes serve
only to make it more expensive for the rich and more dangerous
for the poor, as Tim so eloquently put it. People will, however,
take autonomy over their lives, regardless of what the government
says.
And why, pray tell, is AIDS "victim" in snear quotes? Are you of
the revisionist sort that thinks there is no such thing as the AIDS
plauge? Or do they just deserve it?
--
Michael Thomas (mike@gordian.com)
"I don't think Bambi Eyes will get you that flame thrower..."
-- Hobbes to Calvin
USnail: 20361 Irvine Ave Santa Ana Heights, Ca, 92707-5637
PaBell: (714) 850-0205 (714) 850-0533 (fax)
| 18talk.politics.misc |
> Somebody asked me what was wrong about overreacting in cases such as this.
>
> The reason is very simple: How many people do you want to die in a riot?
>In a new Civil War?
Not me -- which is precisely why the government must be cut off at the
knees when it pulls stunts like this, lest the situation worsen to the point
where extreme measures are required.
| 11sci.crypt |
Hi Christian friends,
My name is Joel, I have a sister who's 25th birthday is tomorrow.....She
used to be on fire for the Lord, but somehow, for some reason, she
became cold....she don't want to associate anymore with her old
christian friends.........so I thought maybe some of you could help her
out again by sending her a postcard or card with a little message of
encouragement.....hand written is okay....her address is 3150 Hobart
Ave. San Jose Ca. 95127...........
Thank you and God Bless.
PS: Jesus Christ is LORD!!!!!!!!
[I have some qualms about postings like this. You might want to
engage in a bit more conversation with Joel before deluging
someone who doesn't expect it with cards. --clh]
| 15soc.religion.christian |
Relying on Canadian tourists and transplanted Northeasterners to
support a team in Miami is crazy; espaecially when you have really deserving
cities without a team such as San Diego & Milwaukee. I wish the Panthers or
whatever their name is well but if they can't sell to Hispanics, they're in
deep doo-doo. Already, there are rumors that Tampa may move to Milwaukee.
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
In article <C5tnGt.224@news.udel.edu> roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby)
writes:
> In article <1r21vqINNeb8@clem.handheld.com> jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De
Arras) writes:
> >In article <C5spov.LrE@news.udel.edu> roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby)
> >writes:
> >> In article <1r0qsrINNc61@clem.handheld.com> jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De
> >Arras) writes:
> >> >In article <C5s0Ds.J54@news.udel.edu> roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby)
> >> >writes:
> >> >> I agree that they deserved a trial. They had more than 40 days to come
> >> >> out and get their trial. They chose to keep the children with them and
> >> >> to stay inside. They chose to stay inside even after they were tear
> >gassed.
> >> >> I do not find these actions rational. Even Noriega was smart enough to
> >> >> give up and go for the trial he deserved.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >Mr. Roby, you are a government sucking heartless bastard.
> >>
> >> Unworthy of comment.
> >
> >But apparently true. My opinion, only, of course.
>
> So, your opinion is truth. I see... :-)
>
Still mastering the language, eh? Notice the use of "apparently".
> >> >Humans died
> >> >yesterday, humans who would not have died if the FBI had not taken the
> >> >actions
> >> >they did. That is the undeniable truth. I cried for them.
> >>
> >> Nor would they have died if they had come out with their hands empty.
> >> That is undeniable truth.
> >
> >No, it is not. It is possible the FBI planned for this to happen, and the
> >gunfire heard was the FBI keeping the folks inside. I'm not proposing this
as
> >the way it went down, but just to point out that it's not "undeniable" that
if
> >they walked out yesterday, they would be alive today.
>
> You can believe that if you wish. It is undeniable, however, that people
> have left the compound unharmed and alive earier in the standoff.
>
> And since their leader was preaching that they would have an apocalypse, you
> can not say undeniably that there wouldn't have been a mass suicide if the
> FBI had simply stayed outside and waited another 51 days.
>
I'm not denying that at all. But every day is another chance for a good
ending, why push it? Mr. Roby, you are going to die, anyway, why not today?
Every moment of life is precious.
> >> My heart bleeds just as much as yours for
> >> the children who were never released given 51 days of ample opportunities
> >> to do so. My heart also bleeds for people so blinded by religious
devotion
> >> to not have the common sense to leave the compound when tanks came up
> >> and started dropping in tear gas early in the morning.
> >
> >My heart "bleeds" for no one. You are the "bleeding heart". And I'm sure
> >beyond any possible doubt that you do not feel for those people as I do.
You
> >can not say the heartless things you have said if you did.
>
> I am the heartless bleeding heart? You are not making sense.
No, you are the heartless "bleeding heart". A flaming liberal who "cares
deeply", who "feels your pain".
> You seem to have no concern that someone would keep children inside this
> compound when they had 51 days to let them out. That sounds pretty heartless
> to me.
>
You have continually raised this issue, without any understanding of the bonds
between parent and child. It is not easy to say a final goodbye to your
children, I do not think I could do it, either. If that makes me heartless, so
be it. How many children do you have? I have three.
> I just heard on the news that some of the survivors regret they hadn't
> stayed in the inferno to prove their loyalty to Koresh. This makes me
> sad and sick.
>
It just makes me sad. I never claimed Koresh was an angel.
> >> >You seem to say
> >> >they got what they deserved.
> >>
> >> I do not think this. However, if they did set the fire (which started in
> >> more than one place and spread very quickly), then they got what they
> >> wanted and put into motion themselves.
> >
> >"they got what they wanted". What kind of creature are you that you can
> >believe this?
>
> Have you ever heard of Jonestown?
> The sad thing is the people inside the compound were the authority
> worshipers and their only authority was Koresh/Howell. If these
> people were able to think for themselves, there would likely be a lot
> more survivors today. Koresh preached a fiery apocalypse as early as
> last year.
>
I made the same authority worshiper point about you a few lines back. And once
again, Jonestown, however sick it was, was doing OK, until "the Authorities"
showed up and pushed a fragile person over the edge.
A bull in a china shop.
> >> I see the BATF is going to be investigated by the Justice Dept. and likely
> >> by Arlen Spectre and congress. This is good. They have bungled the
affair
> >> from the start.
> >
> >We agree on this. Now lets have your God, the FBI, investigated, too.
>
> By all means, the FBI should be investigated, too.
> BTW, I thought the second ammendment was God. :-)
>
Nope, the constitution in total is, for me. If you think the RKBA is all I'm
about, you misjudge me.
> >> >Jim
> >> >--
> >> >jmd@handheld.com
> >>
>
>
> --
>
Jim
--
jmd@handheld.com
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"I'm always rethinking that. There's never been a day when I haven't rethought
that. But I can't do that by myself." Bill Clinton 6 April 93
"If I were an American, as I am an Englishman, while a foreign troop was landed
in my country, I never would lay down my arms,-never--never--never!"
WILLIAM PITT, EARL OF CHATHAM 1708-1778 18 Nov. 1777
| 16talk.politics.guns |
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Why do we hackers care about the Clipper chip? Do we give a shit
> about anybody's privacy accept our own? And perhaps not even our
> own; are we so smart that we always know when we're talking to
> somebody who has a wiretap on their phone?
I find this a very disturbing view! Yes, we DO care about EVERYONE's
privacy... Even if "they" don't know it. What happens if the gov't
starts creating legislation such that the Clipper and such
technologies become the only "legal" encryption forms? What happens
when the Clipper is the *ONLY* type of encryption chips available to
the masses?
Sure, you might have your own method of encryption, but if you don't
have anyone else to talk to, what use is it? You can't assume that
EVERYONE will be as open as you appear to be about encryption.
The point here is not the specific instance of the Wiretap Chip.
Rather, it is like having the government telling you that they want a
copy of your house key, safe-deposit box keys, etc., and telling you
that "they wont use them unless its totally neccessary." I sure
wouldn't want that. Why should encryption be any different?
- -derek
PGP 2 key available upon request on the key-server:
pgp-public-keys@toxicwaste.mit.edu
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--
Derek Atkins, MIT '93, Electrical Engineering and Computer Science
Secretary, MIT Student Information Processing Board (SIPB)
MIT Media Laboratory, Speech Research Group
warlord@MIT.EDU PP-ASEL N1NWH
| 11sci.crypt |
Quantum LPS240A hard disk phantom seeks
I just purchased and installed a 240MB Quantum 3.5" hard drive, model
LPS240A, and have a concern about its behavior.
Although the disk drive itself seems to behave properly with respect to
file I/O, it performs what I call phantom seeks.
When the PC is absolutely idle, I can hear a spurt of activity in the
drive every 30-40 seconds, lasting 1-2 seconds. This activity seems to
be initiated strictly within the drive itself since the disk LED never
comes on. [The disk LED is attached to the disk controller card, not
the drive.]
My other hard disk, a Seagate ST3283A, does not have this kind
behavior.
Can anyone comment on this strange phenomenon?
--
---------------------
Steve Harrold swh@cup.hp.com
HPG200/11
(408) 447-5580
---------------------
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
In article 165506 in talk.politics.misc, parker@ehsn21.cen.uiuc.edu
(Robert S. Parker) writes:
>-Rob
>...is getting sick of people bitching about taxes. 5 to 10% is nothing
>compared to the 80% income tax in a certain country (Sweeden? something
>like that). (My income is small because I'm still a student, so my tax
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>percentages could be a little off, but...) You can afford 5% (or even 10%)
>of a $50,000 per year income (leaving you with $47,500--guess you can't
>afford that new sterio system) (along with everyone else in the country),
>so that everyone can have access to decent health care (including you,
>when you lose your job and couldn't afford it if you had to pay for it
>all yourself, since you can't get as much money back for that $2,500 sterio
>system as you paid for it).
>NOTE: I don't have any exact figures on the proposed health-care package,
>so please don't assume that it would be 5% of your income as that was not
>my point. (That was approximate total tax, not tax for one thing.)
Boy is this guy in for a shock when he hits the real world! Our tax rate
is incredibly high, higher than many European countries -- it is just
packaged differently (income, Social inSecurity, Medicare, payroll taxes,
property taxes, sales taxes, fees, mandatory disability insurance, state,
federal, local, etc. etc. etc.). Other countries just haven't found as
many ways to hide "revenue enhancers" as our clever American politicians.
I hope you enjoy the $8K you actually get to spend from your first $25K
job out of school, Rob, you patriot you.
Matt Freivald
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LiBORGalism:
THINKING IS IRRELEVANT. INTEGRITY IS IRRELEVANT.
FREE SPEECH IS IRRELEVANT. PRIVATE PROPERTY IS IRRELEVANT.
CONSERVATIVISM IS FUTILE.
YOU WILL BE ASSIMILATED.
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THESE ARE MY OPINIONS ONLY AND NOT THOSE OF MY EMPLOYER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 19talk.religion.misc |
The problem is this:
After starting up my machine it gives a high pitched sound once at the desktop also it only does it when the mouse is up or a menu is not showing.
as if I click the mouse the noise goes away for the amount of time the mouse is down. also this problem only happens for about 5-10 minutes.
please let me know if you know what this is, it sounds like it is coming form the power supply.
Please Post here and Email me:
tjacobs@bvsd.co.edu
Thanks!
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
I've found that I have to add the "-8" option for displaying JPEGs
with the new version. For some reason, if I don't, it goes into
24-bit mode and the resulting image is displayed with 216 colors
(from a 6x6x6 array) instead of 256 and looks grainier. Since I'm
on the ubiquitous 8-bit pseudo color display I would have thought it
could tell that.
--
This is news. This is your | Peter Scott, NASA/JPL/Caltech
brain on news. Any questions? | (pjs@euclid.jpl.nasa.gov)
| 5comp.windows.x |
Here's an interesting table showing how much resources an application
uses and how much it gives back on shut down. This is take from
Windows User May 1993 issue:
Application Min. Resource Use Resource Not Returned
GDI USER GDI USER
WinSleuth Gold v3.03 10 6 2 14
Word For Windows v2.0b 10 0 5 0
Lotus 123 v1.1 13 3 3 2
Arts and Leters v3.12 7 7 3 1
PowerPoint v3.0 9 1 3 0
Corel Draw v3.0 10 6 3 0
Micro. Designer v3.1 10 2 2 0
CrossTalk v2.0 0 0 0 0
Excel v4.0a 11 8 0 0
HiJacck v1.0 2 2 0 0
Image-In Color Pro 3 2 0 0
PIcture Publisher v3.1 21 8 0 0
PowerLeads!-
Executive Ed. v1.03 0 5 0 0
Adobe Type Manager v2.5 1 0 NA NA
Skylight v2.0 1 0 0 0
*The numbers are in percentage and are in a decreasing order.
What does this table tells you, if you frequently start and exit a
program that doesn't give back all of it's resources, then you
continually lose these resouces. Therefore, only open these programs
up once and leave them open.
BTW: Maybe people can add to this list so we know what application to
watch out for.
later,
Doug
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
In article <93109.13404334AEJ7D@CMUVM.BITNET> <34AEJ7D@CMUVM.BITNET> writes:
>I will be surprised if this post makes it past the censors,
>but here goes:
>
>Monday, 19 April, 1993 13:30 EDT
>
> MURDER MOST FOUL!!
>
>CNN is reporting as I write this that the ATF has ignited all
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I watched the CNN report and I never heard them report that the ATF started the
fire. They did speculate that the type of CS gas might have _accidentaly_
started the fire.
>the buildings of the Branch Dividian ranch near Waco, TX. The
>lies from ATF say "holes were made in the walls and 'non-lethal' tear
>gas pumped in". A few minutes after this started the whole thing went up.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
From my understanding of the CNN report it was 6 HOURS after they started.
>ALL buildings are aflame. NO ONE HAS ESCAPED. I think it obvious that
>the ATF used armored flame-thrower vehicles to pump in unlit
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The track vehicle that I saw in the vicinity of the building where fire was
first noticed looked more like an armored recovery vehicle (the type used to
tow tanks of battle fields) and not an armored flame-thrower vehicle.
>napalm, then let the wood stove inside ignite it.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
As someone else has pointed out, why would the stove be in use on a warm day
in Texas. It seems to me that it would be very poor planing to hope for a wood
stove to ignite the "napalm" when the stove would probably not be in use. And
I doubt that it would have taken 6 hours to ignite it.
>
>THIS IS MURDER!
>
>ATF MURDERERS! BUTCHERS!!
>
>THIS IS GENOCIDAL MASS-SLAUGHTER OF INNOCENT PEOPLE, INCLUDING CHILDREN!
>
>I have predicted this from the start, but God, it sickens me to see
>it happen. I had hoped I was wrong. I had hoped that there was
>still some shred of the America I grew up with, and loved, left
>alive. I was wrong. The Nazis have won.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Right Clinton is in office. (Sorry I couldn't resist, please no flames :))
>
>I REPEAT, AS OF THIS TIME THERE ARE **NO SURVIVORS**!
>
>God help us all.
>
>
>PLEASE CROSSPOST -- DON'T LET THEM GET AWAY WITH THE SLAUGHTER OF THE CHILDREN!
>
>
>W. K. Gorman - an American in tears.
In short Mr. Gorman (I am assuming Mr. as a title because I don't think a woman
would be stupid enough to make this post) I don't know what episode of CNN you
were watching but it obviously was not the same one that I was watching or your
tears seamed to have blured your hearing along with your eye sight.
Please excuse any mispelled words as I am a product of the Arkansas education
system which Slick Willie of the "Double Bubba Ticket" has so greately improved
during his tenour as Governer of my great state (taking it from 49th in the
nation in 1980 and allowing it to drop to 51st, how I don't know, and bringing
it to 44st and back to either 48th or 49th in 1990--sorry I can't rember the
source of these numbers but they can be found).
Michael F. Rhein
| 16talk.politics.guns |
My friends and I have a buch of books for sale. They are not
being used due to change of job, loss of interest etc.
Rather than letting them gather dust, we would like to pass them
on to others who may use them (of course at a price :-)
Topics Include:
- C/C++/Other Programming Languages
- UNIX/DOS/OS2/Windows/Other Operating System topics (General)
- X/Motif/OLIT/Xwin
- Networking and Digital Signal Processing
- Computer Graphics
- Microprocessors and Computer Architecture
- Math
- Software Engineering/Algorithms/Software Testing
- Databases
- Expert Systems
The list is long and rather than posting it here I will email
it by request. I am going to keep the list updated and so will
respond to all requests (lucky me :-)
If you are interested drop me a line
====== S. Alavi [ssa@unity.ncsu.edu] (919)467-7909 (H) ========
| 6misc.forsale |
In article <C5FtJt.885@sunfish.usd.edu>, rfox@charlie.usd.edu (Rich Fox, Univ of South Dakota) writes:
|> In article <1993Apr10.213547.17644@rambo.atlanta.dg.com>, wpr@atlanta.dg.com (Bill Rawlins) writes:
|>
|> [earlier dialogue deleted]
|>
|> >|> Perhaps you should read it and stop advancing the Bible as evidence relating
|> >|> to questions of science.
|>
|> [it = _Did Jesus exist?_ by G. A. Wells]
|>
|> > There is a great fallacy in your statement. The question of origins is
|> > based on more than science alone.
|>
|> Nope, no fallacy. Yep, science is best in determining how; religions handle
|> why and who.
The problem is that most scientists exclude the possibility of the
supernatural in the question of origins. Is this is a fair premise?
I utterly reject the hypothesis that science is the highest form of
truth.
|>
|> > If you met a man who could walk on
|> > water, raise people from the dead, claimed to be the Son of God, and
|> > then referred to the inviolability of the scriptures, this would affect
|> > your belief in the origin of man. (I can expand on this.)
|>
|> Nope, wouldn't affect my knowledge (not belief) of origins of anatomically
|> modern humans. If that man could show me something better, I'd change, even if
|> it was the biblical story in exact detail. But then I would ask, "Why in the
|> world did your father endow us with intellect and reason, and then proceed to
|> fool us. I mean, the bible says nothing about the human-like creatures that we
|> know exist.
Some of these so-called human-like creatures were apes. Some were
humans. Some were fancifully reconstructed from fragments.
|>
|> I doubt any of us will meet a man like this. But, Bill, if your version of all
|> this is absolutely correct, I'm still no worried about my salvation. I'll
|> probaby make it (I don't steal, murder, covet, etc, and I like to help other
|> people). All I did was use the reason and intellect your god provided.
|> He or she - benevolent and loving - will understand my dilemma, don't you
|> think?
Good deeds do not justify a person in God's sight.
An atonement (Jesus) is needed to atone for sin.
|>
|> > Science and
|> > the Bible are not in contradiction. God can supercede the scientific
|> > "laws" as man understands them. Creation is a good example. God has the
|> > power to create something out of nothing, order out of chaos.
|>
|> Haven't been on t.o. long, but I have a feeling, Bill, that the veterans will
|> agree with you here. No contradiciton, and god *can* do anything at will. So,
|> what's the beef? (or more properly, "where's")
My point: God is the creator. Look's like we agree.
|>
|>
|> > If the title of the book you mentioned has anything to do with the
|> > substance of the book, it must be a real laugher. Of course Jesus existed,
|> > and there are volumes of evidence to back it up. I can give many if you
|> > are interested.
|>
|> Its not a laugher, Bill. Its a scholarly book that many happen to disagree
|> with. I am definitely (and seriously) interested in confirmation. I know of
|> the bible, inferences therefrom (e.g., prophecies), apocrypha, the Koran and
|> others. What I am interested is independent evidence. Do you have any? I
|> know of Josephus, but this is almost certainly an insertion. Also I know of a
|> few Roman documents (e.g., Pliny), but these deal only with early Christians.
|> Do you have any independent evidence? I am most interested. Please Email or
|> post. Thanks, and best regards.
I'll send you some info via e-mail.
Regards, Bill.
--
==========================================================
// Bill Rawlins <wpr@atlanta.dg.com> //
// "I speak for myself only" //
==========================================================
| 19talk.religion.misc |
I need to know the following information about the upcoming
Crypto Conference; The address to submit articles, and the
number of copies needed. Thanks,
Jonathan DeMarrais
jed@pollux.usc.edu
--
--- Jay jed@pollux.usc.edu (University of Southern California)
What a depressingly stupid machine.
Marvin
| 11sci.crypt |
I am looking for any information about the Sigma Designs
double up board. All I can figure out is that it is a
hardware compression board that works with AutoDoubler, but
I am not sure about this. Also how much would one cost?
--
Joe
jap10@po.cwru.edu
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
Is there a ftp.cica.indiana.edu mirror anyware that isn't so !@#$@# busy?
Thanks
Phil Trodwell
*** This space ***| "I'd be happy to ram a goddam 440-volt cattle
*** for rent. ***| prod into that tub with you right now, but not
*** (cheap) ***| this radio!" -Hunter S. Thompson
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
In article <C5so84.Hxv@demon.co.uk> Graham Toal <gtoal@gtoal.com> writes:
>Actually, I am *completely* baffled by why Dorothy Denning has chosen
>to throw away her academic respectability like this. It looks to me
>like a *major* Career Limiting Move. There can be very few people
>who know what she's been saying who take her seriously any more.
Actually, I've been following her remarks for some time, with
interest. I'm also a member of academia, and her remarks have nothing
but elevate her respectability in my eyes. It remains to be seen whether
you are the radical fringe, or I.
It is generally an error to assume that your beliefs are held by
the majority, or even a sizable minority. Especially when you're seeing
tens, nay dozens, of people on usenet agreeing with you.
Andrew Molitor
| 11sci.crypt |
In article <1993Mar25.161909.8110@wuecl.wustl.edu> dp@cec1.wustl.edu (David Prutchi) writes:
>In article <C4CntG.Jv4@spk.hp.com> long@spk.hp.com (Jerry Long) writes:
>>Fred W. Culpepper (fculpepp@norfolk.vak12ed.edu) wrote:
>>[...]
>>A couple of years ago I put together a Tesla circuit which
>>was published in an electronics magazine and could have been
>>the circuit which is referred to here. This one used a
>>flyback transformer from a tv onto which you wound your own
>>primary windings. It also used 2 power transistors in a TO 3
>[...]
>10 years ago I built a 1'000,000 volt Tesla, and the thing was VERY
>spectacular, but besides scaring/amazing friends (depending on their
>knowledge of Science), and generating strong EMI, I never found anything
>useful that could be done with it ... Is there any real-world application
>for Tesla coils today ?
>
>David Prutchi
First of all, realize that Tesla invented AC power generators, motors,
transformers, conductors, etc. Technically, *ALL* transformers are Tesla
coils. In general though when someone refers to a Tesla coil, they mean
an "air core resonant transformer". The TV flyback version Tesla
coil (see the _Encyclopedia_of_Electronic_Circuits_ V3, 106-1 for
diagram) has NOT an air core. It is of a class of circuit called
"Oscillating Shuttle Circuit" (OSC). Generally OSC's are highly
efficient, but this version uses transistors and resistors,
which are very lossy devices. Typically Tesla used active
reactances instead of passive resistors, so that he could achieve
efficiencies of 99.5%, and better. The usual application of an air-core
resonant transformer, or of an OSC, is to produce strong EMI
for wireless broadcasts. How well do you think your computer
screen would work if we removed the HF HV Tesla (flyback) coil
from it? If we were to remove from our homes and industries all
Tesla coils, our lights would go dark, our cars would sputter
and die, our radios would go silent, our industries would grind
to a halt, and we would have to go back to using coal for heat,
gas for lamps, horses for transportation, steam for power, and
telegraph for communication. Is that real world enough for you???????
GET THE MESSAGE! WE WOULD NOT HAVE 1/100 THE CONVIENIENCES WE HAVE
TODAY IF NOT FOR TESLA. GIVE CREDIT WHERE CREDIT IS DUE!
If it had been up to Edison, we'd still be in the 19th century.
(flame me at your own peril. I'm very good at putting edison down).
----
ET "Tesla was 100 years ahead of his time. Perhaps now his time comes".
----
| 12sci.electronics |
Flint.Waters@uwyo.edu (Flint Waters) writes:
>>Now does anyone know if it is possible to use W4WG and Lan Workplace
>>for DOS at the same time.
>Yup. We're using both and they work just fine. Hopefully, someday WFWG
>will communicate over LWP TCPIP. Right now we have to load NetBeui.
>I use ODI with ODINSUP and all works well.
Hey, sounds great. Does that mean that W4WG works with ODI? I thought it
uses NDIS.
My problem is that Lan Workplace with all its drivers uses up most of my
UMBs, so I'd hate to have to load many more drivers to make W4WG work
along.
I read in a German computer magazine that TCP/IP support for W4WG is just
around the corner. Anybody have any news about this?
Regards, Richard
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In article <C5yp5C.2Kt@acsu.buffalo.edu> v063kcbp@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (MITCH) writes:
> I am right now working on an MPR-II certified (Swedish standards for
>low emissions) Hitachi Superscan 15 monitor. It's 1024x768, up to 72hz at
>that res, and it got a good write-up for image quality in a recent (Feb.?)
>issue of PC Magazine. As far as I know, very little fully matches a NEC in
>image quality (at least according to the mags -- I can't tell any
>difference between the two!), but I think NEC is low emissions on only one
>of the two types. There's VLF (Very Low Frequency) and ELF (I think that's
>Extremely Low Frequency). The MPR-II standards set strict limits on both.
>But many comapnies, NEC included according to one article I read (I get a
>bunch of mags so it's hard for me to remember which!), which claim "low
>emissions" but not specifically "MPR-II Compliant" or "MPR-II Certified"
>only control for one, usually VLF, and ignore the other.
Nanao's F-Series (e.g. F550i) and T-Series (e.g. T660i) monitors
are MPR-II compliant. According to my little pamphlet, the T-Series
monitors are also TCO-compliant, whatever that is.
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mikey@sgi.com 415/390-1786
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
This may be the dumbest question of the year, but is there a
way to 'piggyback' or expand a 6-slot motherboard (all 16-bit)
to get the usual 8? My case has slots for 8, and I'd like to
get a scanner, but with all my other cards I'm already max'd out!
I'm hoping that a simple solution exists, e.g. an adapter that turns
one slot into three. I don't mind if it turns it into 8-bit slots,
as I can put my I/O card, MIDI card, and Soundblaster card there.
My other cards are 16 bit (IDE/Floppy, SVGA, modem).
If there is such an expander, does that screw up performance of
everything else? I'd hate to buy a new motherboard! :-(
--
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christen@astro.ocis.temple.edu | #=#==========# | Temple University
"Curiouser and curiouser!" - LC \__/~\_/ ``` Philadelphia, PA USA
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
>The lead-acid secondary cell releases energy (electricity) with the following
>chemical reaction:
>
>Pb + PbO2 + 2H2SO4 --> 2PbSO4 + 2H20
>
>Lead and Lead (IV) Oxide and Sulfuric Acid produce Lead Sulfate and Water
[heats of formation deleted]
>The heat of reaction at 25 C is therefore -60.6 kcal per mole PbSO4 produced.
>Note that lead sulfate is not very soluble (0.0048 grams per 100 grams water
>at 25 C), and it will thus precipitate out of solution where the reaction is
>occurring, or the cathode (positive terminal) of the battery. (I am almost
>sure it is the positive terminal where the precipitate forms, but I may be
>wrong. Oh well, I don't have a corroded battery to corrobate, and I don't feel
>like thinking through it right now.)
The major problem with this is that the reaction takes place in an ACID solution.
PbSO4 is soluble in an acid solution and will not precipitate out. Also, H2SO4
is in a water solution as 2H30+ and SO4--. Thus the heats of formation of
PbSO4 and H2SO4 are for the most part irrelevant.
>What is important to notice here is that the reaction, as you knew it would be,
>is exothermic, or energy discharging.
As it turns out the reaction is indeed exothermic (heat producing).
(More about this later.)
What actually happens to make the battery completely useless is this:
(we're talking lead-acid batteries of course)
The battery slowly self discharges. As this discharge takes place two things
happen. -The level of Pb++ ions in the acid solution increases (i.e. the lead
and lead oxide plates are dissolved).
-The level of H30+ ions in the acid solution decreases (i.e. the solution
becomes less acidic, or more like water if you like).
Now, as the post to which I am responding correctly stated, PbSO4 will precipitate
in a WATER (non-acid) solution. When the battery dies (i.e. is fully discharged)
we end up with a high concentration of Pb++ and SO4-- in water. So PbSO4
forms in the solution and FALLS TO THE BOTTOM OF THE BATTERY (of course this
happens in varying degrees, the more discharged, the more precipitate forms).
The precipitate forms a conductive layer on the bottom of the battery. If
there is enough of the lead and lead oxide plates left to touch the precipitate
(more common in a newer battery) a dead short results.
I have seen products in automotive shops to correct this condition, but they
are for the most part useless. They can dissolve the PbSO4 but cannot restore
the lead and lead oxide plates properly. You may have some success with
these products for a newer battery.
[stuff deleted]
>To understand why lead-acid batteries DO INDEED discharge faster when stored on
>concrete as opposed to wood or earth (dirt), one should recall LeChatelier's
>Principle, which can be paraphrased as: anything subjected to some stress will
>act to move to a more comfortable position. Here are the thermal conductivities
>of a some selected materials:
[stuff deleted]
>This is where LeChatelier's principle comes into play. Removing energy from
>the exothermic reaction will drive the reaction further to completion. If the
>reaction normally occurs at room temperature, keeping the battery at that
>temperature requires the removal of any heat produced. A concrete surface is
>a better heat sink than a dirt or wood surface. Store a battery in the corner
>of a poured concrete basement, and you have 3 surfaces removing energy, which
>"pulls" the reaction along.
This stuff is just made up by the author and is completely invalid.
In fact the discharge reaction takes place at a higher rate at higher
temperatures. A logical consequence of the above argument is this:
"If you really want your car to start, lower the battery temperature to
-50 to 'pull' the reaction along." We all know from experience (at
least those of us in Canada do (it gets cold up here)) that this is
not true. If we want to start our car on a really cold day we warm
the battery.
(Besides which, there is not enough energy released through self discharge
to appreciably raise the temperature. The air would amply dissipate any
such heat, whether the bottom of the battery was insulated or not. This
is of course irrelevant, since you would WANT the battery to be cool
during storage.)
Just keep the battery in a cool dry place and keep it charged!
| 12sci.electronics |
A friend recorded CNN news during the gassing and incineration of
the BD's. I went through it carefully today, and found something
very interesting. A tank is pulling out of the house, and there
is a fireball, maybe 24" across that lasts for about 1 second.
Exactly ten minutes and thirty nine seconds later, the smoke starts
billowing out of that area of the building.
Now, I'm no govt. spokestwinkie, so it might really have been a
weather balloon or something. Perhaps someone would check it out
and comment.
| 16talk.politics.guns |
In article <SMITH.93Apr21183049@minerva.harvard.edu> Steven Smith writes:
>dgannon@techbook.techbook.com (Dan Gannon) writes:
>> THE U.S. HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL MUSEUM: A COSTLY AND DANGEROUS MISTAKE
>>
>> by Theodore J. O'Keefe
>>
>> [Holocaust revisionism]
>>
>> Theodore J. O'Keefe is an editor with the Institute for Historical
>> Review. Educated at Harvard University . . .
>
>According to the 1990 Harvard Alumni Directory, Mr. O'Keefe failed to
>graduate. You may decide for yourselves if he was indeed educated
>anywhere.
(forgive any inaccuracies, i deleted the original post)
isn't this the same person who wrote the book, and was censured
in canada a few years back?
peg
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
In article <Apr.19.05.12.31.1993.29175@athos.rutgers.edu>, lmh@juliet.caltech.edu (Henling, Lawrence M.) writes:
> In article <Apr.16.23.17.40.1993.1861@geneva.rutgers.edu<, mussack@austin.ibm.com writes...
> << < For example: why does the universe exist at all?
>
> <Whether there is a "why" or not we have to find it. This is Pascal's(?) wager.
> <If there is no why and we spend our lives searching, then we have merely
> <wasted our lives, which were meaningless anyway. If there is a why and we
> ..
> I find this view of Christianity to be quite disheartening and sad.
> The idea that life only has meaning or importance if there is a Creator
> does not seem like much of a basis for belief.
Please forgive all the inclusions. I suppose they are neccessary to follow
the argument.
My point is that "if life has meaning or importance then we should try
to find that meaning or importance" which is almost a tautology. (I hope
I'm not being too patronizing.) One term for that meaning is "Creator",
though that is not obvious from my above argument.
> And the logic is also appalling: "God must exist because I want Him to."
(It's more like "I think, therefore I am, therefore God is.")
> I have heard this line of "reasoning" before and wonder how prevalent
> it is. Certainly in modern society many people are convinced life is
> hopeless (or so the pollsters and newscasts state), but I don't see
> where this is a good reason to become religious. If you want 'meaning'
> why not just join a cult, such as in Waco? The leaders will give you
> the security blanket you desire.
Unfortunately the term "religious" is ambiguous to me in this context.
I could say that searching for meaning in life is by definition being
religious. I could say cult followers by definition have given up on
the search.
If you want "meaning" why not search for the truth?
So far, my understanding of Christianity is congruent with my understanding
of truth. There have been many before me who have come to conclusions
that are worded in ways that make sense to me. By no means does that imply
that I understand everything.
Chris Mussack
| 15soc.religion.christian |
In article <1r3ks8INNica@lynx.unm.edu> bhjelle@carina.unm.edu () writes:
>In article <1993Apr21.091844.4035@omen.UUCP> caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes:
>>In article <19687@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes:
>>>
>>>Can you provide a reference to substantiate that gaining back
>>>the lost weight does not constitute "weight rebound" until it
>>>exceeds the starting weight? Or is this oral tradition that
>>>is shared only among you obesity researchers?
>>
>>Not one, but two:
>>
>>Obesity in Europe 88,
>>proceedings of the 1st European Congress on Obesity
>>
>>Annals of NY Acad. Sci. 1987
>>
>Hmmm. These don't look like references to me. Is passive-aggressive
>behavior associated with weight rebound? :-)
>
>Brian
I purposefully left off the page numbers to encourage the reader to
study the volumes mentioned, and benefit therefrom.
--
Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX ...!tektronix!reed!omen!caf
Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, and DSZ
Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software"
17505-V NW Sauvie IS RD Portland OR 97231 503-621-3406
| 13sci.med |
In article <C5y8wJ.3zE@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca> papresco@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod) writes:
>I am considering making a reasonably large application for free
>distribution (probably copylefted). I am going to use X. Now I'm
The following packages meet your criteria in that they are PD and
present an aesthetically pleasant graphical interface to the users.
If you can use 386bsd:
there is xview3 (OpenLook)
there is Interviews which looks a little like Motif
there is gopath a very nice C++ toolkit for Athena Widgets and Motif
which is simpler
and better than interviews and you will enjoy
technical support from Bull via e-mail
It has a nice draw program (it uses motif) which can be used
to create graphical front-end to programs.
The data format is called streams which you can feed
to your programs. I ported gopath on an internet machine
which is gone but if you use gcc-2.3.3 with minimal effort
gopath can be ported to 386bsd.
Last but not least, gopath interfaces to toolkits via a driver
module. They have an MS-Windows driver module for instance.
Also, many have written extensions to tk/tcl thus allowing powerful
applications. For instance, tcl_nm has snmp extensions for tk/tcl.
With ease, I can now combine snmp network operations with graphs,
photo-widget, graphical interface, file operations, database
operations,etc.. The author of tcl_nm mail me a simple network
management application which was about 80 lines long - it displayed
various environmental parameters from a router. I wrote a simple
strip chart script for displaying Real-Time ip received
packets/seconds.
Hope this helps,
Amancio Hasty
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| 5comp.windows.x |
Concerning Christians praying for coporate forgiveness of national sins,
Michael Covington claims the following of C.S. Lewis:
> C. S. Lewis made the same point in an essay after World War II,
> when some Christian leaders in Britain were urging "national repentance"
> for the horrors (sins???) of World War II.
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<><
I was surprised when I heard this same kind of remark from a fellow grad.
student I know, especially since he had seminary training. I have read the
same essay and do not find Lewis making any such claim. Rather, Lewis is
condemning the use of such coporate prayer efforts as platforms to make
political jabs at opponents, feigned as confessions of guilt (ie., Lord please
forgive us for allowing "insert political issue/idea/platform" to exist in our
country, it is wrong and we ask your forgiveness.). I would be interested in
knowing what part of the essay you feel condemns national repentance (please
quote).
Jonathan Waugh
Graduate Research Associate, Pulmonary Medicine Div.
The Ohio State University
SAMP, Rm 431, 1583 Perry St.
Columbus, OH 43210
jwaugh@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
| 15soc.religion.christian |
un, you better add at least another plus to the Pederson
for Neely trade, the Bruins also received a number 1 round
draft pick, didn't play great this year but Wesley's still a
decent defenseman.... And the Bruins got Pederson back eventually
anyway.....
Pat Ellis
P.S. GO BRUINS GO UMAINE BLACK BEARS 42-1-2 NUMBER 1......
HOCKEY EAST REGULARS SEASON CHAMPIONS.....
HOCKEY EAST TOURNAMENT CHAMPIONS>......
PAUL KARIYA, HOBEY BAKER AWARD WINNER.......
NCAA DIV. 1 HOCKEY TOURNAMENT CHAMPIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
M-A-I-N-E GGGGOOOOOOO BBBLLLUUEEEE!
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
In article <1td5inINNl7m@finch.doc.ic.ac.uk>, ln@doc.ic.ac.uk (Leonidas Nikidis) writes:
|>
|> Hi,
|>
|>
|>
|> Could someone explain to me what exactly the Xlib functions
|>
|> XCreateRegion, XPolygonRegion, XPointInRegion do, or to
|>
|> suggest a ftp site where I can find programs using these functions.
|>
|>
|> PS: The man pages does not explain much ......
|>
|>
|> Thank you,
|> Leo.
|>
|>
|>
|>
|>
|>
|> --
|> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
|> Leonidas Nikidis : ln@doc.ic.ac.uk Imperial College, London,UK
|> Dept. of Computing
|> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
I use those routines in a widget which only redraws exposed areas.
here's a small piece of code that uses those routines
static void Redisplay(pw, ev, region)
XtpManagerWidget pw;
XExposeEvent *ev;
Region region;
/* pp->exposure_region is an XRegion */
XtpManagerPart *pp = &pw->plotter;
pp->exposure_region = XCreateRegion();
/* region is passed via an expose event */
if(region == NULL)
{
if (ev->send_event) /* synthetic event sent by widget it wants a full redraw*/
{
exporect.x = pw->core.x;
exporect.y = pw->core.y;
exporect.width = pw->core.width;
exporect.height = pw->core.height;
}
else
{
exporect.x = ev->x;
exporect.y = ev->y;
exporect.width = ev->width;
exporect.height = ev->height;
}
stuff deleted
/* region now contains the exposure region */
XUnionRectWithRegion(&exporect,pp->exposure_region,pp->exposure_region);
}
else
XUnionRegion ( region, pp->exposure_region, pp->exposure_region);
stuff deleted
/* WE NEED to CLIP on EXPOSE REGION for REDRAWING the GRID */
XSetRegion(XtDisplayOfObject(pw), pp->plotarea_gc,pp->exposure_region);
stuff deleted
/* check to see if child is exposed */
if (XRectInRegion (pw->plotter.exposure_region,
child->core.x ,
child->core.y ,
child->core.width ,
child->core.height ))
So, I build up a region of exposures so that when I service my container
widget redraw of rectobj children, I only redraw what need to be redrawn.
It works for me, hope this helps you.
Brian
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!uunet!dftsrv!kong!dealy | | where it's not at... B.Dylan
| 5comp.windows.x |
In <1qideqINNl79@sumax.seattleu.edu> smorris@sumax.seattleu.edu (Steven A. Morris) writes:
>Hey, NISSAN, why aren't you guys making any station wagons? You used
>to make a wagon on every platform (SENTRA, STANZA, MAXIMA) and now
>NONE AT ALL.
In fact, they make some ,but they just don't sell them here in U.S.
Sunny California is a 1.6l wagon based on Sentra.
Avenil is a 2.0l 4WD/2WD wagon .(It looks like Infinity G20
but actually it's independently designed to be a wagon.I mean, it's
not based on any sedans.)
Nissan had better consider to sell them here.
>After buying my SE-R and really loving it, I would like to buy another
>NISSAN product for my wife -- but prefer a wagon (I've owned minivans
>and don't prefer them.)
>How about an ALTIMA wagon? or a sentra wagon would do...
Sounds nice. But I doubt they have a plan. Coz Avenil was introduced
to replace any sedan based wagon.
>or, here's an even better suggestion, why don't you guys go ahead and
>buy the rest of Fuji Heavy Industries (Subaru) and put either an
>in-line 4 or V-6 into the LEGACY 4WD wagon. I'd buy the Legacy in a
>minute if it had a Nissan engine instead of the Horizontal 4 that they
>seem sentimentally attached to.
>With all the Camry, Accord, Taurus, Volvo and Subaru wagons out there
>-- it's got to be a market segment that would be worthwhile!
>I can wait a year or two -- but if you don't have something to compete
>by the 1995 model I may have to go elsewhere.
>Thanks.
>--
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>Addiction Studies Pgm : uucp :{uw-beaver,uunet!gtenmc!dataio}!sumax!smorris
>Seattle University : Phone : (206) 296-5350 (dept) or 296-5351 (direct)
>Seattle, WA 98122_____:________________________________________________________
| 7rec.autos |
In article DEH@synoptics.com, noemi@synoptics.com (Noemi Berry) writes:
>
>guess how you turn a horse: LOOK where you want
>to go! and PLAN your turns and jumps. the best
>riders give refined, smooth inputs to the beast.
>lots of maintenance. leather looks cool.
>sound familiar?
Black ones look better. None are truely indiginous to America,
although some of the finest are produced here. Gear is expensive, and
you never seem have enough of it. Volvos hit them. Only idiots
intentionally rear up the front half off the ground just to look cool.
Posers don't ride them in the rain. They are dangerous on ice. Loud
ones are annoying, and too much chrome looks dumb.
Yep, sounds familiar!
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Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM |and I showed him a picture of you. I said,
DoD #0111 (919)460-8302 |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
(The Grateful Dead) --> |It seemed like the least I could do...
| 8rec.motorcycles |
In article <1993Apr19.132748.18044@julian.uwo.ca> wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes:
>It was the Seagate 296N and the ST-02 controller. I found that the
>controller couldn't keep up with a 1:1 interleave, so the best I could do
>with the drive was a 2:1 interleave and a data transfer of about 450 k/sec.
According to what others have told me, the ST-296N is difficult to run at
the 1:1 interleave even though Seagate claims it. I have a non-pc system
(don't ask what it is, you probably haven't heard of it) that is built
around SCSI and it can't do 1:1, either.
Brian
( bcwhite@sunee.uwaterloo.ca )
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In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they're not.
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
Any idea on the price range of the Cyclone or the Tempest? (compared to
current line of computers, where will the new ones fall in price)
--
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KEEPER: Heh heh. Stop! What is your name?
ARTHUR: It is Arthur, King of the Britons.
KEEPER: What is your quest?
ARTHUR: To seek the Holy Grail.
KEEPER: What is the air-speed velocity of an unladen swallow?
ARTHUR: What do you mean? An African or European swallow?
KEEPER: What? I don't know that! Auuuuuuuugh!
BEDEMIR: How do know so much about swallows?
ARTHUR: Well, you have to know these things when you're a king you know.
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North Carolina State University
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| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
Cup holders (driving is an importantant enough undertaking)
Cellular phones and mobile fax machines (see above)
Vanity mirrors on the driver's side.
Ashtrays (smokers seem to think it's just fine to use the road)
Fake convertible roofs and vinyl roofs.
Any gold trim.
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The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of
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___________________The Eternal Champion_________________
| 7rec.autos |
Has anybody out there used/tested these new Fluke Scopemeters?
How do they compare to a low-end Tectronix oscilloscope? Are
there any big drawbacks about these handheld scopes when
compared to the benchtop scopes of the same price range
($1000-$2000)?
Any info on the Fluke Scopemeters would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Bob Freire
rsf@houxa.att.com
| 12sci.electronics |
In article <1srplfINNkth@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU> jovanovic-nick@yale.edu (Nick Jovanovic) writes:
>In article <1sredr$72b@venus.haverford.edu> Michael Sells <m_sells@haverford.edu> writes:
>
>> ... I find it interesting that Mr. Major finds the genocide of two
>>million Muslims in Bosnia acceptable ...
>
>
>Now you are actually claiming that 2,000,000 Muslims have been killed
>in B-H???
>
What if we remove one zeron and make it "the genocide of two hundred
thousands Muslims in Bosnia..", would that make it any better..?
And how about the 2,000,000 Muslims who were driven and continue to
be driven out of their homes..? is that "utterly ridiculous claim"?
And how about the rapes (over 60,000 women) and the concentration
camps..? The us delegation which visited them reported yesterday
on CNN that the serbs are giving the muslims detainees 4 biscuits
and a cup of water a day..!!??
That sure also sounds like an "utterly ridiculous claim".!
>Please substantiate this utterly ridiculous claim.
>
>-Nick
>
>
Mohamed
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
The Vatican library recently made a tour of the US.
Can anyone help me in finding a FTP site where this collection is
available.
Thanx in advance
J. Watson
| 1comp.graphics |
random@presto.UUCP (Jeff W. Hyche) writes:
>Yes, "Clipper" is a trademark of Intergraph. Its the RISC chip used
>in some of thier workstations. I wonder what Intergraph is going to
>do to this infringement on thier name sake?
Probably keep quiet and take it, lest they get their kneecaps busted.
--
Good news. Ten weeks from Friday will be a good day.
| 11sci.crypt |
I have a Sony 1304s whch I would like to hook up so that I get its
power though my Quadra 800's power supply. ie, if I had an apple monitor,
I could plug the monitor directly into the computer so that when I hit
the power button the keyboard, both the monitor and computer go on, and
when I shut down, both go off. Is there an extension cord type cable
I can buy which allows me to plug my existing power cord into and then plug
this "extension cable" into my Quadra?
Any thoughts and comments would be appreciated,
Thanks in advance,
Derek
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| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
sorry about that last post, my server neglected to send the message:
Can we please keep this group to AUTOMOTIVE topics. Thank you.
| 7rec.autos |
With the kind of team Montreal has now, they can take the
cup easily. The only problem they have right now is that everyone is
trying to steal the show and play alone. They need some massive teamwork.
They are also in a little of a slump because long-time hockey
Montreal Canadiens announcer Claude Mouton died last tuesday and it was
rough on everybody because he has worked with the organization for 21
years. But I know that is no excuse. But if the Habs manage to get some
good teamwork and get into the spirit, they should have no problem
winning in May.
Dean
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
In article <10557@blue.cis.pitt.edu> doyle+@pitt.edu (Howard R Doyle) writes:
:Being a chronic HBsAg carrier does not necessarily mean the patient has chronic
:persistent anything. Persons who are chronic carriers may have no clinical,
:biochemical, or histologic evidence of liver disease, or they may have chronic
:persistent hepatitis, chronic active hepatitis, cirrhosis, or hepatocellular
:carcinoma.
:
:Most cases of chronic persistent hepatitis (CPH) are probably the result of
:a viral infection, although in a good number of cases the cause cannot be
:determined. The diagnosis of CPH is made on the basis of liver biopsy. It
:consists of findings of portal inflammation, an intact periportal limiting
:plate, and on occasion isolated foci of intralobular necrosis. But in contrast
:to chronic active hepatitis (CAH) there is no periportal inflammation,
:bridging necrosis, or fibrosis.
:
:CPH has, indeed, an excellent prognosis. If I had to choose between CAH and
:CPH there is no question I would also choose CPH. However, as David pointed
:out, the distinction between the two is not as neat as some of us would have
:it. The histology can sometimes be pretty equivocal, with biopsies showing
:areas compatible with both CPH and CAH. Maybe it is a sampling problem. Maybe
:it is a continuum. I don't know.
Darn. Just when I think I understand something someone who knows the
pathology has to burst my bubble :-( We'd better not start talking about
glomerular diseases, then I'll really get depressed.
Seriously though, I wonder how someone with CPH would end up getting a
biopsy in the first place? My understanding (and feel free to correct me)
is that the enzymes are at worst mildly elevated, with overall normal
hepatic function. I would think that the only clue might be a history of
prior HepB infection and a positive HepB-sAg. Or is it indeed on a
continuum with CAH, and the distinction merely one of pathology and
prognosis, but otherwise identical clinical features?
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= General Internal Medicine | "...dammit, not a programmer!" =
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| 13sci.med |
Hello out there,
If your familiar with the COMET program then this concerns you.
COMET is scheduled to be launched from Wallops Island sometime in June.
Does anyone know if an official launch date has been set?
Thanks,
Rob
| 14sci.space |
To: milsh@nmr-z.mgh.harvard.edu (Alex Milshteyn)
AM> Having said that, i might add, that in MHO, MSG does not enhance
AM> flavor enoughf for me to miss it. When I go to chinese places,
AM> I order food without MSG.
To me, MSG tastes just like a mixture of salt and sugar. I don't
think that is the case with most people. What does it taste like
to you?
... If wishes were horses, we'd all have to wear hip boots!
* Origin: ONE WORLD Los Angeles 310/372-0987 32b (1:102/129.0)
| 13sci.med |
Newsgroup: sci.electronics
From: martin.vuille@synapse.org
Subject: PCMCIA
Does anyone know who to contact to obtain a copy of the PCMCIA standard?
Thanks
MV
---
þ OLX 2.1 TD þ ProControl * Kemptville, ON * 04-22-93 9:34 pm
| 12sci.electronics |
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| 1comp.graphics |
: In my mind, to say that science has its basis in values is a bit of a
: reach. Science has its basis in observable fact.
I'd say that what one chooses to observe and how the observation is
interpreted and what significance it's given depends a great deal on
the values of the observer. Science is a human activity and as such,
is subject to the same potential for distortion as any other human
activity. The myth that scientists are above moral influence or
ethical concern, that their knowledge can be abstacted whole and pure
from nature untainted by the biases of the scientist, is nonsense.
Bill
: If one is to argue for objective values (in a moral sense) then one must
: first start by demonstrating that morality itself is objective. Considering
: the meaning of the word "objective" I doubt that this will ever happen.
: So, back to the original question:
: And objective morality is.....?
This may be an unfortunate choice of words, almost self-contradictory.
Objective in the sense used here means something immutable and
absolute while morality describes the behavior of some group of
people. The first term is all inclusive, the second is specific. The
concept supposedly described may have meaning however.
If there is a God as described by the Christians (for instance), then
He has existence apart from and independent of humankind; His
existence is outside of our frame of reference (reality). If this
being declares a thing to be so, it is -necessarily- so since He has
defined Himself as omnipotent and, if His claims are to be believed,
He is at least omnipotent relative to us. God is intrinsically
self-defined and all reality is whatever He says it is - in an
objective sense.
If God determines a standard of conduct, that standard is objective.
If human beings are held accountable for their conformance to that
standard while permitted to ignore it, they substitute a relative
morality or mode of conduct, giving the term morality a nebulous,
meaningless sense that can be argued about by those pretending to
misunderstand. The standard is objective and the conduct required to
meet that standard is therefore objectively determined.
Just because it is convenient to pretend that the term morality is
infinitely malleable, doesn't mean that the objective standard itself
doesn't exist. Morality has come to mean little more than a cultural
norm, or the preferred conduct of "decent" people, making it seem
subjective, but it is derived from an absolute, objective, standard.
Ironically, this objective standard is in perfect accord with our true
nature (according to Christianity at least), yet is condemned as being
contrary to human nre, oppressive and severe. This may be due as
Bill
much to our amoral inclinations as to the standard itself, but like it
or not, it's there.x
| 19talk.religion.misc |
In article <C5s5D2.4uu@newcastle.ac.uk>, Chris.Holt@newcastle.ac.uk (Chris Holt) writes...
>
:So we try to ensure that the process of deciding whether to introduce
:third parties isn't random. As Steve said above, there are examples
:where third parties *are* less ignorant or corrupt than the two
:primary parties; should this knowledge not be able to help?
Of course it helps, but only if the decision to involve third parties
is the primary partis' to make. A corrupt and ignorant third party
isn't going to say, "we're corrupt and ignorant, we'll stay out of this".
Pointing out that they are corrupt and ignorant won't help, they either
won't believe you or won't care.
>
:> It's impossible (or at least beyond my abilities) to formulate a rule
:>that will always tell whether the involvement of a third party would be
:>good or bad, but there's one that seems better than any other I've ever
:>heard suggested: voluntary good, mandatory bad. That is, a third
:>party should involve itself in a transaction ONLY at the request of
:>the primary participants.
>
:So we *don't* formulate a rule that will always tell; we try to use
:knowledge about other properties of situations. To some of us, it
:appears that trying always to apply "voluntary good, mandatory bad"
:is not only less than optimal, it is in some circumstances seriously
:damaging. The interesting question is to characterize those
:circumstances as best we can.
Look, somebody has to have the power to decide whether a third party
will regulate your transactions or not. That somebody is going to
be either you or the third party. You can argue until you are
blue in the face that regulators shouldn't get involved (in fact, people
have tried this), they won't listen. The fundamental question you
have to ask is, whose decision is it whether or not to involve regulators,
ours or theirs? After you've answered thed first question, you can
try to move on to such questions as "should regulators be involved" and, if
so, "what regulations are appropriate?" Although with your answer to
the first question, the second and third are taken out of your hands.
Mr. Grinch
| 18talk.politics.misc |
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plus a new set of backup tubes.
Oversize caps, boxes, meter, etc...
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pwhite@mac.archive.umich.edu
| 6misc.forsale |
So what's the story here... we're all stuck with the regular
green, red, and off yellow-orange LED's!? What gives!!??
Anybody have a 'scoop' on FAIRLY LOW PRICED >BLUE< LED's???
... just out of curiosity, of course ...
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| 12sci.electronics |
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2-Door Coupe,
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It gets an average of 27.5 mpg highway, sometimes better;
city is around 19-23 mpg, depending on how it is driven.
Selling because of baby coming soon. Need 4-door family
car. Will consider trade or partial trade with Ford Taurus,
Mercury Sable, or 4-door Pontiac Grand Am or similar American
car.
I live in the Boston,MA area.
Contact:
Mike at Home: (508) 881-6312,
Work: (508) 490-6963, or
michaelq@tlaloc.sw.stratus.com
| 6misc.forsale |
In article <C5qo0o.888@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM>, mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) writes:
> In <1993Apr17.161720.18197@bsu-ucs> 00cmmiller@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:
>
>
>
> |sorry, i didn't see him "charge" the cops. i saw him trying to get away
> |from people who were beating him. i guess we each see what we want to
> |see.
> |candace miller
>
> If this is what you saw, then you did not see the start of the video.
> When the vidoe starts, King is lying on the ground, surrounded by cops.
> Noone is beating him. King then gets up and charges one of the officers.
> (Powell?) While falling back the officer pulls out his nightstick and strikes
> King with it. The blow appears to land near the shoulders of the head.
> --
| 18talk.politics.misc |
In <1993Apr25.170303.19486@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>Wayne made his own bed...choosing McNall over Sather and hockey
>destiny...he should sleep in it instead of whining. Ego got
Absolute nonsense. The decision that was made was Pocklington's. He chose
20 mill over Gretzky. If Gretzky wasn't upset about not being able to win
a cup in LA then I submit that he wasn't worth the 20 mill.
>the best of him...he thought the supporting cast in Edmonton
>didn't matter...that he was the show himself.
How do you know what he thinks (or thought)? The only "thought" that I
can see that you have revealed is your own. You don't like Gretzky.
Big deal.
>Now, my only complaint about Lemieux is that he dives too much...
>but last year Patrick convinced him twice to accept Bowman and hockey
>destiny, rather than his ego.
The real purpose of diving is not merely an attempt to draw a penalty. What
the player is trying to do is make the checkers keep their distance so the
ref won't be fooled. I can't imagine why anyone would expect someone like
Lemieux to change his game. Why don't you pick on 1 dimensional over-rated
type like Hull and Salami.
--
cordially, as always, maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca
"So many morons...
rm ...and so little time."
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
In article <1slb46$lbu@mserv1.dl.ac.uk> g.coulter@daresbury.ac.uk writes:
>Hi Everyone :-
>
>I was woundering if someone could answer a simple
>query for me on RayTracing and anti-aliasing ....
>
[stuff deleted]
>
I have a similiar question relating to anti-alaising that my friend has asked
to have posted to the more knowledgable in this group. I'm sorry if this is
an FAQ.
"What anti-alaising methods do Persistance Of Vision & Polyray use?"
Thank you in advance. You can either email me or reply (or flame me if it is
an FAQ :-) )
DWA
| 1comp.graphics |
My wife and I are in the process of selecting a pediatrician for our
first child (due June 15th). We interviewed a young doctor last week
and were very impressed with her. However, I discovered that she is
actually not an Medical Doctor (M.D.) but rather a "Doctor of
Osteopathy" (D.O.). What's the difference? I believe the pediatrician
*I* went to for many years was a D.O. and he didn't seem different from
any other doctor I've seen over the years.
My dictionary says that osteopathy is "a medical therapy that emphasizes
manipulative techniques for correcting somatic abnormalities thought
to cause disease and inhibit recovery."
Jeez, this sounds like chiropractic. I remember getting shots and
medicine from *my* pediatrician D.O., and don't remember any
"manipulative techniques". Perhaps someone could enlighten me as to
the real, practical difference between an M.D. and a D.O. Also, I'm
interesting in hearing any opinions on choosing a pediatrician who
follows one or the other medical philosophy.
Readers of sci.med: Please respond directly to sbrenner@attmail.com;
I do not read this group regularly and probably won't see your response
if you just post it here. Sorry for the cross-posting, but I'm hoping
there's some expertise here.
a T d H v A a N n K c S e
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Scott D. Brenner AT&T Consumer Communications Services
sbrenner@attmail.com Basking Ridge, New Jersey
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
| 13sci.med |
To all the readers of talk.politics.mideast,alt.flame,alt.stupidity
I am posting this message on behalf of a staff member at UCDavis whose
account had been broken into and used to post offensive messages to
all these groups.
--Dave
----begin included message from szljubi@othello.ucdavis.edu
Please be advised that the person(s) sending to you the inflammatory
remarks you have been receiving have been doing so by ILLEGALLY accessing
my account.
Our campus Information Technology security group has cut off my account's
access to this hacker, and every effort is being made to track down this
person.
I apologize profusely that you have been subjected to the derogatory
comments made by this person and I detest that my name was attached to
them.
Thank you to those of you who alerted our campus security about the nature
of this problem.
Sincerely,
P. Ljubi
'''
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| 17talk.politics.mideast |
James Nicoll writes:
> If the new Kuiper belt object *is* called 'Karla', the next
> one should be called 'Smiley'.
No, no, no! The previous one was called "Smiley". 1992 QB1 = Smiley,
and 1993 FW = Karla.
Note that neither name is official. It seems the discoverers have an
aversion to the designation scheme.
By the way, 1992 QB1 can never be known as "Smiley" officially, because
that moniker has already been assigned to asteroid number 1613.
| 14sci.space |
In a previous article, dougb@comm.mot.com (Doug Bank) says:
>In article <1993Apr12.205726.10679@sbcs.sunysb.edu>, mhollowa@ic.sunysb.edu
>|> Organ donors are healthy people who have died suddenly, usually
>|> through accident or head injury. They are brain dead. The
>|> organs are kept alive through mechanical means.
>
>OK, so how do you define healthy people?
>
>My wife cannot donate blood because she has been to a malarial region
>in the past three years. In fact, she tried to have her bone marrow
>typed and they wouldn't even do that! Why?
>
>I can't donate blood either because not only have I been to a malarial
>region, but I have also been diagnosed (and surgically treated) for
>testicular cancer. The blood bank wont accept blood from me for 10
>years.
Obviously, it wouldn't be of much help to treat one problem by knowingly
introducing another. Cancer mestastizes. My imperfect understanding of
the facts are that gonadal cancer is particularly dangerous in this regard.
I haven't done the research on it, but I don't recall ever hearing of a
case of cancer being transmitted by a blood transfusion. Probably just a
common sense kind of arbitrary precaution. Transmissable diseases like
malaria though are obviously another story.
--
Michael Holloway
E-mail: mhollowa@ccmail.sunysb.edu (mail to freenet is forwarded)
phone: (516)444-3090
| 13sci.med |
In article <C5sqyA.F7v@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>, tbrent@bank.ecn.purdue.edu (Timothy J Brent) writes...
>In article <C5r4IA.A21@acsu.buffalo.edu> v111qheg@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (P.VASILION) writes:
>>
>> Brian, this who thing is not about someone
>>thinking they are THE SECOND COMMING. Its about **YOUR** civil rights. Would
>>you want the FEDS to come marching into your home with a warrant that probably
>>wouldn't stand up in court, arrest you and your family after attempting to kill
>>you and haul you off to jail without due process? This is what has happened
>>in Texas. With the Davidians all dead, no one will know the truth - only
>>what the White House wants you to think. Government does not exist for you!
>>Government exists for itself and will do what ever it needs to preserve
>>itself.
>
>Probably not. But then, I don't pack heavy weaponry with intent to use it.
>You don't really think he should have been allowed to keep that stuff do
>you? If so, tell me where you live so I can be sure to steer well clear.
Well, this is still the land of the free for the time being. Individuals
are supposed be able to do what they please unless it infringes upon the rights
of someone else. Owning FULLY automatic machine guns is also permitted by
law if you have a CLASS III FEDERAL FIREARMS LICENSE and have paid the transfer
tax. If you are refering to the .50 cal the feds claim the BD to have had,
I have used .50 cal for 3000 yard target shooting. It a legitimate and
challenging sport.
>The public also has rights, and they should be placed above those of the
>individual. Go ahead, call me a commie, but you'd be singing a different
Ah, I see Mr Spock! How logical! Well, again, this is the USA and
we have had a long tradition for standing up for individual freedoms and
liberties. That is what is written in the Constitution, If you dont like it,
then find another government where the citizens are its slaves. You'd
like it there with that philosophy of yours.
>tune if I exercised my right to rape your daughter. He broke the law, he
No, you right. You'd probably not be breathing! Especially since
I intend to encourage her to learn how to handle a handgun!
>was a threat to society, they did there job - simple.
A threat to whom? He was out in the middle of nowhere waiting for
the Apolcalypse. His neighbors even said that he never bothered anyone!
Who can you justify your statement?
>
>> Support your First, Second, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth, and Eighth
>>Amendment rights, lest they be taken away from you just as the FBI did
>>to the Davidians. Think about it.
>
>I'll support them all (except no. 2)
One of these days, you too will pick up a firearm and learn to use
it and you will defend your Second Amendment right, knowingly or not, willingly
or not. The statistics are not in your favor.
In this age you must support the liberty of the individuals. If not,
then this nation is condemmed to a totalitarian regime. Orwell's 1984 is
comming true, only ten years late.
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we separated."
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| 16talk.politics.guns |
In article <Apr.19.05.10.33.1993.29070@athos.rutgers.edu>, Gene.Gross@lambada.oit.unc.edu (Gene Gross) writes:
>
> Of course they knew where it was. Don't forget that Jesus was seen by both
> the Jews and the Romans as a troublemaker. Pilate was no fool and didn't
> need the additional headaches of some fishermen stealing Jesus' body to
> make it appear He had arisen. Since Jesus was buried in the grave of a
> man well know to the Sanhedrin, to say that they didn't know where He was
> buried begs the question.
Here again, the problem with most of the individuals posting here, you take the
biblical account as though it were some sort of historical recounting in the
modern sense. I would refer you to John Dominic Crossans Book _The Cross That
Spoke_ (Pub. Harper and Row, 1988). The earliest texts which we have make no
reference to an empty tomb. Nor is an empty tomb necessary for a claim of
resurrection. Modern Evangelicals/Fundamentalists have completely missed what
the point of resurrection is -- Here the work of George Nickelsburg's work
_Resurrection, Immortality, and Eternal Life in Intertestamental Judaism_ (Publ
Cambridge, Havard Univ. Press, 1972) is most helpful. Look At Rom 1:1-3. Paul
here has no need of an empty tomb. Additionally in 1 Cor 15, Here again there
is no mention of an empty tomb. He was raised (note the passive), he appeared,
no ascension either.
Resurrection could be accomplished without ever disturbing the bones in the
grave. The whole idea of an empty tomb isn't broached in any of our texts
until well after the fall of Jerusalem. By that time, the idea of coming up
with a body would have been ludicrious. Moreover Mack has argued (convicingly,
I think) that the empty tomb story first appears in Mark (we have no texts
before this which mention the tomb).
>
> Now, you say that you think that the disciples stole the body. But think on
> this a moment. Would you die to maintain something you KNEW to be a
> deliberate lie!? If not, then why do you think the disciples would!? Now, I'm
> not talking about dying for something you firmly believe to be the truth,
> but unbeknown to you, it is a lie. Many have done this. No, I'm talking about
> dying, by beheading, stoning, crucifixion, etc., for something you know to
> be a lie! Thus, you position with regards to the disciples stealing the
> body seems rather lightweight to me.
>
> As for graverobbers, why risk the severe penalties for grave robbing over
> the body of Jesus? He wasn't buried with great riches. So, again, this is
> an argument that can be discounted.
>
> That leaves you back on square one. What happened to the body!?
>
>
> [Again, let me comment that the most plausible non-Christian scenario,
> and the one typically suggested by sceptics who are knowledgeable
> about the NT, is that the resurrection was a subjective event, and the
> empty tomb stories are a result of accounts growing in the telling.
> --clh]
You are quite right here. Even the Idea of a subjective mystical event as the
foundation of the resurrection narratives is currently becoming more untenable.
See B. Mack _A Myth of Innocence_.
randy
| 15soc.religion.christian |
davem@bnr.ca (Dave Mielke) writes,
> However, God's love is qualified. The Bible says:
>
> The way of the wicked is an abomination unto the LORD: but he
> loveth him that followeth after righteousness. Proverbs 15:9
>
> For the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of
> the ungodly shall perish. Psalm 1:6
I am extremely uncomfortable with this way of phrasing it. God's love
is unconditional, unqualified, unfathomable. We are capable of
rejecting God's love but He never fails to love us.
These verses do not show that God's love is qualified but rather that He
is opposed to evil.
I am uncomfortable with the tract in general because there seems to be
an innappropriate emphasis on Hell. God deserves our love and worship
because of who He is. I do not like the idea of frightening people into
accepting Christ.
I see evangelism as combining a way of living that shows God's love with
putting into words and explaining that love. Preaching the Gospel
without living the Gospel is no better than being a noisy gong or a
clanging cymbal.
Here's a question: How many of you are Christians because you are
afraid of going to Hell? How many are responding to God's love?
Jayne Kulikauskas/jayne@mmalt.guild.org
| 15soc.religion.christian |
Here are the standings after game 2 of each of the divisional semi-final
series.
- Andrew
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Northern Lights 75 25 (33)
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Team Elvis 74 25 (11)
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Tiger Chung Lees 65 25 (54)
Rangers Of Destiny 65 25 (33)
make beliefs 65 25 (54)
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trevor's triumph 64 25 (75)
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Rangers Blow 64 25 (54)
Debbie Bowles 64 25 (19)
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Loaded Weapons 64 25 (54)
Rob Del Mundo 64 25 (54)
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Lets Go Pandas 63 25 (102)
Tequila Shooters 63 25 (141)
Steves Superstars 63 25 (102)
Reksa fans of Oulu 63 25 (127)
Habs Playing Golf 63 25 (75)
Chris Stevens 63 25 (--)
On Thin Ice 63 25 (102)
Oakville Brothers 63 25 (33)
Jason team 63 25 (102)
smithw 63 25 (102)
94. Anson Mak 62 25 (173)
Skriko Wolves 62 25 (102)
all the kane's men 62 25 (75)
Danielle Leblanc 62 25 (127)
Team Awesome 62 25 (19)
weasels 62 25 (141)
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Zippety Doodah 62 25 (75)
Kramer George and Jerry 62 25 (75)
Rev's Rebels 62 25 (75)
Yan Loke 62 25 (75)
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littlest giants 62 25 (75)
Mr Creosote 62 25 (75)
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Great Scott 61 25 (141)
Bobby Schmautz Fan Club 61 25 (127)
IceMachine 61 25 (102)
Hat Trick Mike 61 25 (--)
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Daves knee jerk picks 61 25 (102)
Doug Bowles 61 25 (102)
Holsteins SFB 61 25 (54)
Lemon Pepper Grizzly Bears 61 25 (54)
Flying pigs 61 25 (127)
Les Raisins 61 25 (102)
RENEB 61 25 (102)
Gilles Carmel 61 25 (102)
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Timo Ojala 60 25 (127)
Rednecks from Hockey Hell 60 25 (33)
gee man 60 25 (127)
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Shigella 60 25 (102)
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New Jersey Rob 59 25 (102)
Frasses Faceplants 59 25 (141)
Doug Mraz 59 25 (102)
Muller n Walker 59 25 (54)
High Stickers 59 25 (141)
Legzryx 59 25 (161)
Beer Makes Me An Expert 59 25 (75)
Gail Hiebert 59 25 (127)
Dean Martin 59 25 (161)
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Van Isle Colonists 58 25 (141)
Charlie Cook 58 25 (--)
Bjorkloven 58 25 (54)
Schott Shooters 58 25 (102)
Bjoern Leaguen 58 25 (75)
The Eradicators 58 25 (141)
Lord Stanley's Favourites 58 25 (141)
But Wait Theres more 58 25 (127)
Stacey Ross 58 25 (141)
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The Ice Kickers 57 25 (75)
Chapman Chaps 57 25 (161)
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The Underwriters 57 25 (54)
beam team 57 25 (176)
Dave Hiebert 57 25 (75)
Canuck Force 57 25 (176)
Evan Pritchard 57 25 (161)
Controversy Warriors 57 25 (54)
JFZ Dream Team 57 25 (141)
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| 10rec.sport.hockey |
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| 6misc.forsale |
In article <93105.124117RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu> <RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu> writes:
} In article <1993Apr14.175545.3528@alleg.edu>, millits@yankee.org (Sam
} Millitello) says:
}
} i'm telling you, sam, three l's. call up mom and ask.
}
} bob vesterman.
}
yeah, and in case even that isn't enough to prompt boy genius
"Sam" to pick up a paper and see how "his" name is spelled,
here's another hint: the single "L" comes between the two "I"s...
-*-
charles
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
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In article <blake.70.735413837@nevada.edu>, blake@nevada.edu (Rawlin Blake) writes:
> In article <1993Apr21.160642.12470@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> whughes@lonestar.utsa.edu (William W. Hughes) writes:
> >In article <feustelC5tw49.7p5@netcom.com> feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel) writes:
> >>I predict that the outcome of the study of what went wrong with the
> >>Federal Assault in Waco will result in future assaults of that type
> >>being conducted as full-scale military operations with explicit
> >>shoot-to-kill directives.
> >
> >You mean they aren't already? Could have fooled me.
> >
> >--
> > REMEMBER WACO!
> > Who will the government decide to murder next? Maybe you?
> >[Opinions are mine; I don't care if you blame the University or the State.]
>
> Well, it seems we don't learn the lessons of history do we?
>
> I was hoping that Kent State taught us a lesson.
>
> Apparently not.
>
> Apparently the government will murder anyone they choose to still.
>
Hmm... For more recent lesson what about that little square in China?
Another lesson might be the one repeated every year in Tibet...
And of course there's always El Salvador...
And the beat goes on and on... :^(
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GOVERNMENT! AT ANY TIME! FOR ANY REASON! -THE SCREAMING MAN
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| 16talk.politics.guns |
Hi,
I've got a PACE MODEM , Series Four 2400s ( made in England by
PACE Micro Technology ) with a broken power supply .
So I'd like to know :
- the voltage and current values of the original
power supply PS1001.
- the pinout of the power supply connector.
- the pinout of the USER PORT and how to use it.
Many thanks in advance to all the people help me.
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| 12sci.electronics |
How many runs will be scored in Denver?
I don't know.
but some idea can be gotten by looking at the runs scored in
Mile High Stadium during the last few years of the Bears/Zephyrs
tenure in the American Association.
Here's the total runs scored per game in Zephyrs games,
all league games and the ratio. I found the same ratios for HR.
Year rpg lea ratio hrpg lea ratio
1992 10.22 9.10 1.12 1.65 1.58 1.04
1991 9.53 8.87 1.07 1.41 1.26 1.12
1990 10.71 8.72 1.23 1.49 1.24 1.20
1989 9.07 8.34 1.09 1.27 1.11 1.14
1988 9.90 8.37 1.18 1.29 1.08 1.19
1987 12.55 10.70 1.17 2.39 1.92 1.24
1986 9.45 9.33 1.01 1.35 1.38 .98
1985 9.50 8.54 1.11 1.53 1.34 1.14
1984 9.99 9.10 1.10 1.55 1.59 .97
1983 10.60 9.99 1.06 2.03 1.74 1.17
1982 11.29 10.35 1.09 2.24 1.91 1.17
1981 10.29 9.25 1.11 1.43 1.49 .96
1980 10.59 9.43 1.12 1.63 1.46 1.12
1446/13-->1.11 1444/13-->1.11
It seems pretty clear that Denver will have a large effect
on runs scored (I'll stick with my prediction from last year
that it'll be one of the top 3 in the NL this year)
and a fairly large effect on Homeruns - though apparently not as large as
Atlanta, Wrigley, Cincinnati and San Diego.
Still it ought to be a pretty decent home run park.
john rickert
rickert@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
Hi,
I'm hoping someone out there will be able to help our computer science
project group. We are doing computer science honours, and our project
is to do a 'graphical simulator for a finite state automata'.
Basically, the program must draw a diagram of a FSA from a textual grammar,
showing circles for states, and labeled arc's in-between.
The problem is working out the best way to layout the states, and draw the
arc's in-between so that as few arc's as possible cross each other.
If anyone has any suggestions/algorithms/bug-free ready to compile C code :)
that might help us, it would be much appreciated.
Thanks in advance,
Gregory
| 1comp.graphics |
Does anyone know where the program MONOUMB.386 is available .. I have
checked my Windows system disks and MONOUMB2.386 is there but not the
other one.. Thanks..
Stan Kucera
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| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
In <30146@ursa.bear.com> halat@panther.bears (Jim Halat) writes:
|>In article <1993Apr17.161720.18197@bsu-ucs> 00cmmiller@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes
|>:
|>>> How about the fact that you have a bunch of cops putting their lives
|>on
|>>> the line day in and day out who are afraid as hell of a large black guy that
|>>> took a large amount of punishment and refused submit? Oh yeah, did you watc
|>h
|>>> the start of the video when King got UP out of his prone postion and charge
|>>> the cops? Sorry, the video cuts both was when you sit and watch it start to
|Even if Rodney King had come out of that car waving a gun and they
|managed to disarm him, the police still had no right right to beat
|him senseless the way they did once he was on the ground. If they
|can't handle their jobs, they should be relieved of them.
They police did not beat King when he was on the ground. They beat him when
he was on his knees trying to get back up. If you had watche d the entire
video you would have seen this.
|Additionally, Anna Quindlan of the New York Times said it best (paraphrase):
|Many people bring up what happened before what is shown on the tape. Here's
|what came before: the 80's, Ronald Reagan, George Bush, racism,...
If you think this is true, much less relevant, than you are in sadder shape
than I thought.
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| 18talk.politics.misc |
From Bit.listserv.christia
Zane writes...
From: FACN34B@SAUPM00.BITNET (zane of dhahan)
>Newsgroups: bit.listserv.christia
Subject: Christianity in Crisis
Date: Wed May 12 14:43:19 1993
"Frank, first of all, thanks for all of the great Scripture verses. It
was a pleasure to read them."
MY REPLY...
You are welcome, Zane.
Zane...
"I am sure nothing that I will say will change your mind about it... but I
would like to ask you if the book in question really does anything for you.
I mean, were you all caught up in the word/faith thing, but now that you
have read the book you've been rescued from all of the error and pain that
will result in your Christian life?"
MY REPLY...
(1) When I first became a Christian, I entered into the Word/Faith
movement. It was easy. I wasn't grounded in the Word of God and sound
doctrine. When I visited Christian book stores, the cheapest books I
could find to buy were the .50 and $1.00 books by Hagin and others.
Consequently, I began receiving Hagin's monthly magazine (and they
still send it to me), and also Copeland's (also, still sent to me).
It wasn't until I read a booklet by Jimmy Swaggart called _Hyper Faith:
The New Gnosticism_ that I began to realize the teachings I were
partaking of were error. I started reading the Bible more and studying
more. Sure enough, Jimmy was right in many points. As part of my
experience, I am alerting Christians, particularly new Christians, that
these teachings are heretical and they need to do as the Bereans did in
Acts 17:11 - check these teachings out with Scripture!
(2) My brother in law was involved in a Word/Faith "cult" in my area - it's
leader is real good friends with Benny Hinn. Rather then going into
much detail about this, suffice it to say he was deceived, mistreated, and
has now fallen into atheism. I'm still praying for him (Phil. 1:6).
(3) The assistant pastor at the church I teach adult Sunday School in has been
a `follower' of Copeland for 15 years. He has thousands of tapes by the
Faith teachers. In the class recently, I quoted several of the teachers'
heretical statements to his surprise. Since then, I've been able to talk
to him at length about these issues.
(4) The leader of the Women's Group at my church is a Benny Hinn `fan'.
Recently, I found that she has been lending _Good Morning, Holy Spirit_ to
women in the church. That prompted my quotes in Sunday School, as well as
my lending CIC to people in the church.
I'm well aware of the abuses and heresies perpetrated in this movement and
have an urgency in my heart and life to warn people about the heresies.
What heresies?
A. Jesus became sin - took on the very nature of the devil, and became
one with him.
B. Jesus' death on the cross wasn't enough to atone.
C. Jesus was dragged to hell after His death, was beat and abused by
Satan and demons, thus finishing our atonement. Satan was ruling
over Him there.
D. Jesus was `born-again' in hell.
E. Jesus died spiritually, lost His divinity, and reassumed it after
the resurrection.
F. We are gods.
These are heresies. Documentation will be provided re: these teachings
upon request.
Zane...
"Or what does it do for you? Is it preventing you from going out and
joining up with the word/faith movement which you'd been contemplating
joining for so long, but now that you've read the book, you've been saved
from all of that?"
MY REPLY...
It wasn't _Christianity In Crisis_ that helped me; it was a booklet by
Swaggart that I mentioned above. But CIC is MUCH, MUCH better - tremendous
documentation and insights.
Zane...
"I don't have a nice Scriptural answer for why I believe it is at best un-
profitable for Christians to engage in this type of activity - heresy hunting."
MY REPLY...
Why do you call it "heresy hunting"? "Hunting" implies it isn't readily
accessible or available. This movement is the fastest growing movement in
Christendom. Hagin has sold over 40 million books and booklets. Hinn has sold
more books in the last couple of years than Swindoll and Dobson combined. Fred
Price has the largest church in terms of seating capacity in the USA. Doesn't
sound like much "hunting" is needed.
It is Scriptural to expose doctrinal error. I gave some verses to you before.
More can be given. Most of the epistles were written due to error (doctrinal,
practical) in the churches. The early church had numerous councils to expose
error and heresy. It's not a new thing. Remember Luther?
Zane...
"I would like to point out though, that historically those who hunt heretics
often end up causing a bigger mess than the heretics... but this is my un-
documented opinion."
MY REPLY...
(1) If you can provide documentation, it would be appreciated.
(2) Read Ephesians 4:11-16, esp. vss. 13 and 14 and tell me what causes
disunity and immaturity in the body.
EPH 4:13-14 till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of
the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness
of Christ; that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried
about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning
craftiness of deceitful plotting....
Disunity, contrary to popular opinion, isn't caused by exposing error; it's
caused by error.
Zane...
"There are many who probably give no place for seeing the Scriptures as
documenting a Spiritual development or growth in its writers - but I would
suggest that the fiery Paul of the letter to the Galatians mellows and
matures into the one who loses all for the sake of Love in the End."
MY REPLY...
Most scholars believe Paul wrote 2 Timothy last. Let's examine his admonitions
to Tim to ascertain how mellow he had become...
2TI 1:13-15 Hold fast the pattern of sound words which you have heard from me,
in faith and love which are in Christ Jesus. That good thing which was
committed to you, keep by the Holy Spirit who dwells in us. This you know, that
all those in Asia have turned away from me, among whom are Phygellus and
Hermogenes.
2TI 2:15-18 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does
not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. But shun profane
and idle babblings, for they will increase to more ungodliness. And their
message will spread like cancer. Hymenaeus and Philetus are of this sort, who
have strayed concerning the truth, saying that the resurrection is already
past; and they overthrow the faith of some.
2TI 2:24-26 And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all,
able to teach, patient, in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if
God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth, and
that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having
been taken captive by him to do his will.
2TI 3:6-9 For of this sort are those who creep into households and make
captives of gullible women loaded down with sins, led away by various lusts,
always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. Now as
Jannes and Jambres resisted Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of
corrupt minds, disapproved concerning the faith; but they will progress no
further, for their folly will be manifest to all, as theirs also was.
2TI 3:12-17 Yes, and all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will suffer
persecution. But evil men and impostors will grow worse and worse, deceiving
and being deceived. But you must continue in the things which you have learned
and been assured of, knowing from whom you have learned them, and that from
childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise
for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is given by
inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for
correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be
complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.
2TI 4:2-5 Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince,
rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. For the time will come
when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires,
because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and
they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables.
But you be watchful in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an
evangelist, fulfill your ministry.
2TI 4:14-15 Alexander the coppersmith did me much harm. May the Lord repay him
according to his works. You also must beware of him, for he has greatly
resisted our words.
Zane...
"The picture I have of Paul is not of one who goes out of his way to destroy
the ministry of wolves... but of one who teaches the sheep, with many tears,
the necessity of absolutely not allowing themselves to be transformed into
wolves to protect themselves."
MY REPLY...
ACT 20:26-31 "Therefore I testify to you this day that I am innocent of the
blood of all men. "For I have not shunned to declare to you the whole counsel
of God. "Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which
the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He
purchased with His own blood. "For I know this, that after my departure savage
wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock. "Also from among
yourselves men will rise up, speaking perverse things, to draw away the
disciples after themselves. "Therefore watch, and remember that for three years
I did not cease to warn everyone night and day with tears.
Zane...
"For all the warning Paul does, it is of note that he never once drops a name
of a wolf.... - but I will admit he cries in his beard at the end over those
who have abandoned him - everyone in Asia wasn't it ?"
MY REPLY...
Paul mentioned names...
1TI 1:18-20 This charge I commit to you, son Timothy, according to the
prophecies previously made concerning you, that by them you may wage the good
warfare, having faith and a good conscience, which some having rejected,
concerning the faith have suffered shipwreck, of whom are Hymenaeus and
Alexander, whom I delivered to Satan that they may learn not to blaspheme.
2TI 1:15 This you know, that all those in Asia have turned away from me, among
whom are Phygellus and Hermogenes.
2TI 2:16-18 But shun profane and idle babblings, for they will increase to more
ungodliness. And their message will spread like cancer. Hymenaeus and Philetus
are of this sort, who have strayed concerning the truth, saying that the
resurrection is already past; and they overthrow the faith of some.
2TI 4:10 for Demas has forsaken me, having loved this present world, and has
departed for Thessalonica--Crescens for Galatia, Titus for Dalmatia.
2TI 4:14-15 Alexander the coppersmith did me much harm. May the Lord repay him
according to his works. You also must beware of him, for he has greatly
resisted our words.
So did John...
3JO 1:9-10 I wrote to the church, but Diotrephes, who loves to have the
preeminence among them, does not receive us. Therefore, if I come, I will call
to mind his deeds which he does, prating against us with malicious words. And
not content with that, he himself does not receive the brethren, and forbids
those who wish to, putting them out of the church.
Jesus also singled out teachings and doctrines...
REV 2:14-16 "But I have a few things against you, because you have there those
who hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balak to put a stumbling block
before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed to idols, and to commit
sexual immorality. "Thus you also have those who hold the doctrine of the
Nicolaitans, which thing I hate. 'Repent, or else I will come to you quickly
and will fight against them with the sword of My mouth.
REV 2:20-23 "Nevertheless I have a few things against you, because you allow
that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, to teach and seduce My
servants to commit sexual immorality and eat things sacrificed to idols. "And I
gave her time to repent of her sexual immorality, and she did not repent.
"Indeed I will cast her into a sickbed, and those who commit adultery with her
into great tribulation, unless they repent of their deeds. "I will kill her
children with death, and all the churches shall know that I am He who searches
the minds and hearts. And I will give to each one of you according to your
works.
Zane...
"I question too, the purposes of those who write books and build ministries
on the faults - deliberate or otherwise - of others. Maybe if they would
wander around in the desert eating locust and honey, or barely cakes...with
no worldly goods at stake, money to be made, or no reputations to maintain...
I would question their motives - conscious or otherwise - less."
MY REPLY...
I won't comment on this because it deals with the intangible motives of others.
But even if they had bad motives, remember what Paul said...
PHI 1:15-18 Some indeed preach Christ even from envy and strife, and some also
from good will: The former preach Christ from selfish ambition, not sincerely,
supposing to add affliction to my chains; but the latter out of love, knowing
that I am appointed for the defense of the gospel. What then? Only that in
every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is preached; and in this I
rejoice, yes, and will rejoice.
Zane...
"If we want to be true to the admonitions of Scripture - many of which you
list - about protecting ourselves and the flock from wolves and winds of
doctrines, I suggest we start by allowing the wolf-program in our own noetic
pasture to be nailed to the Cross."
MY REPLY...
Please explain.
Zane...
"Secondly, I suggest any heresy hunting be restricted to our own fellowships -
which in the strict Scriptural sense is the local city-church."
MY REPLY...
If heresy was not being propagated over the mass media, then it may not be
needed to go mass media with the exposure. Unfortunately, heresy is being
taught not just in Copeland's church or Hagin's or Hinn's or Price's, but all
over the radio, in print, etc. No pastor or church leader knows what materials
the sheep are feeding on outside the church. It's imperative that leadership
be made aware of this, and CIC does just that.
Also, let's examine a passage of Scripture...
* EPH 4:11 And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some
evangelists, and some pastors and teachers,
* EPH 4:12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the
edifying of the body of Christ,
These ministry gifts that the Lord installs in the church are not just for one
individual church, but for "the body of Christ".
Paul was an apostle - he traveled all over distilling his message. He was also
a teacher -
1CO 4:17 For this reason I have sent Timothy to you, who is my beloved and
faithful son in the Lord, who will remind you of my ways in Christ, as I teach
everywhere in every church.
1CO 7:17 But as God has distributed to each one, as the Lord has called each
one, so let him walk. And so I ordain in all the churches.
Also -
1CO 12:28 And God has appointed these in the church: first apostles, second
prophets, third teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps,
administrations, varieties of tongues.
* EPH 4:13 till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of
the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness
of Christ;
Notice that the "Five-Fold" ministries are going to be around "till" the church
is in "unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God to a perfect
man". This, I believe will not occur fully until the Lord Jesus returns (see
1Cor. 13:9-12). But God wants the body to continue on maturing. What hinders
maturity and unity of the body?
* EPH 4:14 that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried
about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning
craftiness of deceitful plotting,
It's clear that false doctrine, integrated into the church "by the trickery of
men" causes (1) disunity [the thing we are striving for] and (2) spiritual
immaturity - the church continues in spiritual childhood when Christians are
"tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine".
The "Five -Fold" ministry, of which there does not appear to be clear
Scriptural denominational boundaries ("pastors" appear responsible for their
individual flock), is to deal with these doctrines (when necessary) in their
struggle to equip the body.
All believers are called to do this to a degree...
JUD 1:3-4 Beloved, while I was very diligent to write to you concerning our
common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend
earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints. For
certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for this
condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into lewdness and deny
the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ.
Zane...
"If you'll notice, in Scripture the heresy hunters that went from Church to
Church and area to area, were the "bad guys" and they went after the "good guy"
namely Paul - who they considered to be the arch heretic."
MY REPLY...
They were themselves heretics trying to discredit Paul who was preaching
contrary to what they taught!
Zane...
"Let's face it, the wolves are here for a reason. And we are here for the
Reason. And let's hope the wolves become sheep, and the sheep, lambs."
MY REPLY...
Yes!
2TI 2:24-26 And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all,
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able to teach, patient, in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if
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God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth, and
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that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having
been taken captive by him to do his will.
AMEN!
Frank
--
"If one wished to contend with Him, he could not answer Him one time out
of a thousand." JOB 9:3
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In article <1993Apr10.082253.19597@uxmail.ust.hk> cs_ngfo@uxmail.ust.hk (Forrest Normandy) writes:
>I want to buy a 17" monitor, any comment on Nanno T560i, NEC 5FG,
>SII 17" ???
>
>Thanks a lot.
>
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Windows Sources Magazine reviewed a number of 17" monitors recently
and they too said that the Nanao T560i was the best monitor to get if
you had the money. But they also said that the Mitsubishi Diamond Pro
17 is the next best choice and that it has superb picture quality.
This monitor can be had for around $1070.
Has anyone actually seen any of these? I am also thinking of buying a
17" monitor and was going to consider the Mitsubishi. If I remember
correctly, I think its viewing area is 16" measured diagonally.
Thanks.
--
Mohammad Al-Ansari alansari@cs.indiana.edu
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
On a cold, damp night last night at Tiger Stadium, Dave Wells, David Haas, Bob
MacDonald, and Mike Henneman combined for a 3-1 victory over the Texas
Rangers. Here are the highlights:
R H E
Texas 1 4 1
Detroit 3 5 0
Wells gets the win, he's now 3-0 with an ERA just under 1, and Henneman gets
his third save in three chances. Ken Rogers started for the Rangers and
gets the loss. He was relieved by Burns in the 7th.
The Rangers got their only run on a solo home run by Dean Palmer in the 7th.
The Tigers opened the scoring with an RBI single by Fryman in the 3rd, then
took the lead for good in the bottom of the seventh when Whitaker greeted
reliever Burns with an RBI double which scored Tettleton. Whitaker in turn
crossed the plate on an RBI single by Phillips (who has been red hot) for
the third Tiger run.
This afternoon, it's another battle of southpaws, Bill Krueger for the Tigers
vs. Craig Lefferts for the Rangers.
--Randy
p.s. Toronto Blue Jay fans, thanks for Wells and MacDonald! Those guys
have really been a big help to the Tigers pitching staff!
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
In article <C5s6As.Kwo@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, pmy@vivaldi.acc.Virginia.EDU (Pete Yadlowsky) writes:
|> In article <1993Apr20.063024.20311@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) writes:
|>
|> >>...Anyway, I've often wondered what
|> >>business followers of Christ would have with weapons.
|>
|> >Didn't Christ tell his disciples to arm them selves, shortly
|> >before his crusifiction? (I believe the exact quote was along the
|> >lines of, "If you have [something] sell it and buy a sword.")
|>
|> This from a guy who preached love, deference of power to God and
|> renunciation of worldly life in exchange for a life of the spirit? If
|> Jesus did in fact command his disciples to arm themselves, I would
|> take that as yet another reason to reject Christian doctrine, for
|> whatever it's worth.
|>
Let me clarify. In order to more clearly understand scripture, one must
look in the context of where the verse is found. The section you refer
to here is found in Luke 22. I'd like to start back at verse 35 and I'll
include it here for the sake of completeness:
Then Jesus asked them, "When I sent you without purse, bag or sandals,
did you lack anything?"
"Nothing." the disciples replied.
Verse 36 says: "But now, if you have a purse take it and also a bag; and
if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. It is written,
"And he was numbered with the transgressors."
Verse 38 says: The disciples said, "See, Lord, here are two swords."
"That is enough." he replied.
What does this all mean?
In verse 35, Jesus points out to the disciples that when he sent them out
previously, they did not need to take anything with them. Their food,
lodging and transport were often provided through the generosity of others.
If verse 36, Jesus alludes to the change in attitude that is to come in the
near future. Remember, Jesus was saying these things shortly before he was
to be arrested. In verse 36, He tells the disciples that they will have
to take their own possessions and provisions with them. THey will have to
carry their own purse because there will be no longer any generosity from
anyone. And there will be times of peril when they will have to take care
of themselves. This was implied by the reference to the sword. Jesus knew
that He was going to be arrested and labeled as a criminal. The charges
brought against Him were likely to be passed on to his disciples.
In verse 38, we see that the disciples have taken Jesus too literally. It is
not the first time that the disciples got His message wrong. They had done
this on several occassions. Instead of understanding the gist of His words,
they presented Him with two swords. Jesus was perhaps taken aback by
this promptly concludes the discussion by saying, "That is enough."
The disciples could not understand why Jesus had to die. Jesus kept telling
them over and over again that He would soon not be with them but they could
not grasp this. They wanted their Messiah to be a political leader who would
lead them in rebellion against the Romans. That is why they were so keen on
presenting Him with the swords. They had no idea that Jesus was referring to
a different kingdom of which they were to be a part of. The disciples could
only perceive of a kingdom on earth rather than the one in Heaven.
Understand that Jesus NEVER intended his followers to take up arms in rebellion.
This was clearly in evidence in Luke 22:51 when Jesus rebuked his disciples for
using the sword against the servant of the high priest when they came to arrest
Him. As further evidence, Jesus goes so far as to heal the man injured by the disciples. Jesus did NOT condone violence as a means for His purpose.
Contrast this behaviour with that of David Koresh and you will clearly see that
DK was NOT Jesus as he claimed. Jesus surrendered himself to the authourities
and allowed himself to be crucified. He didn't go out in a blaze of glory, but
rather Jesus was executed like a common criminal.
I hope this makes it a little more clear.
God be with you,
Malcolm Lee :)
|> >>Well, when the nice federal officers come to my house to check out my
|> >>extensive weapons cache, I'll just be sure not to shoot at them.
|> >>"Tea, ladies and gentlemen?"
|>
|> >Actually, that's pretty much wht the "Branch Davidian" siad when
|> >the local Sherrif knocked on their door.
|> >Of course, when armed men assaulted them without warrning, it was a
|> >different matter...
|>
|> Why? Did they not know that these men were federal officers? Why was
|> there a need for a followup visit at all? Didn't Jesus have a few words
|> about submission to government authority?
|>
|> --
|> Peter M. Yadlowsky | Wake! The sky is light!
|> Academic Computing Center | Let us to the Net again...
|> University of Virginia | Companion keyboard.
|> pmy@Virginia.EDU | - after Basho
| 16talk.politics.guns |
Hi there!
What is your recommendation for a good hard-disk driver software for
non-Apple drives? I would mainly need it for a SyQuest removable media
drive, but maybe for some normal drives too.
I have heard and seen good things about SilverLining, but don't know
any competitors. It does not need to be fancy, filled with features...
I more like it affordable.
Thanks
--
Jartsu
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
From: Center for Policy Research <cpr>
Subject: Symbiotics: Zionism-Antisemitism
Zionism and the Holocaust
-------------------------- by Haim Bresheeth
The first point to note regarding the appropriation of the history
of the Holocaust by Zionist propaganda is that Zionism without
anti-semitism is impossible. Zionism agrees with the basic tenet
of anti-Semitism, namely that Jews cannot live with non- Jews.
The history and roots of the Holocaust go back a long way. While
the industru of death and destruction did not operate before 1942,
its roots were firmly placed in the 19th Century. Jewish
aspirations for emancipation emerged out of the national struggles
in Europe. When the hopes for liberation through
bourgeois-democratic change were dashed, other alternatives for
improving the lot of the Jews of Europe achieved prominence.
The socialist Bund, a mass movement with enormous following, had
to contend with opposition from a new and small, almost
insignificant opponent, the political Zionists. In outline these
two offered diametrically opposed options for Jews in Europe.
While the Bund was suggesting joining forces with the rest of
Europe's workers, the Zionists were proposing a new programme
aimed at ridding Europe of its Jews by setting up some form of a
Jewish state.
Historically, nothing is inevitable, all depends on the balance of
forces involved in the struggle. History can be seen as an option
tree: every time a certain option is chosen, other routes become
barred. Because of that choice, movement backwards to the point
before that choice was made is impossible. While Zionism as an
option was taken by many young Jews, it remained a minority
position until the first days of the 3rd Reich. The Zionist
Federation of Germany (ZVfD), an organisation representing a tiny
minority of German Jews, was selected by the Nazis as the body to
represent the Jews of the Reich. Its was the only flag of an
interantional organisation allowed to fly in Berlin, and this was
the only international organisation allowed to operate during this
period. From a marginal position, the leaders of the Zionist
Federation were propelled to a prominence and centrality that
surprised even them. All of a sudden they attained political
power, power based not on representation, but from being selected
as the choice of the Nazi regime for dealing with the the 'Jewish
problem'. Their position in negotiating with the Nazis agreements
that affected the lives of many tens of thousands of the Jews in
Germany transformed them from a utopian, marginal organisation in
Germany (and some other countries in Europe) into a real option to
be considered by German Jews.
The best example of this was the 'Transfer Agreement' of 1934.
Immediately after the Nazi takeover in 1933, Jews all over the
world supported or were organising a world wide boycott of German
goods. This campaign hurt the Nazi regime and the German
authorities searched frantically for a way disabling the boycott.
It was clear that if Jews and Jewish organisations were to pull
out, the campaign would collapse.
This problem was solved by the ZVfD. A letter sent to the Nazi
party as early as 21. June 1933, outlined the degree of agreement
that existed between the two organisations on the question of
race, nation, and the nature of the 'Jewish problem', and it
offered to collaborate with the new regime:
"The realisation of Zionism could only be hurt by resentment of
Jews abroad against the German development. Boycott propaganda -
such as is currently being carried out against Germany in many
ways - is in essence unZionist, because Zionism wants not to do
battle but to convince and build."
In their eagerness to gain credence and the backing of the new
regime, the Zionist organisation managed to undermine the boycott.
The main public act was the signature of the "Transfer Agreement"
with the Nazi authorities during the Zionist Congress of 1934. In
essence, the agreement was designed to get Germany's Jews out of
the country and into Mandate Palestine. It provided a possibility
for Jews to take a sizeable part of their property out of the
country, through a transfer of German goods to Palestine. This
right was denied to Jews leaving to any other destination. The
Zionist organisation was the acting agent, through its financial
organisations. This agreement operated on a number of fronts -
'helping' Jews to leave the country, breaking the ring of the
boycott, exporting German goods in large quantities to Palestine,
and last but not least, enabling the regime to be seen as humane
and reasonable even towards its avowed enemies, the Jews. After
all, they argued, the Jews do not belong in Europe and now the
Jews come and agree with them.
After news of the agreement broke, the boycott was doomed. If the
Zionist Organization found it possible and necessary to deal with
the Nazis, and import their goods, who could argue for a boycott ?
This was not the first time that the interests of both movements
were presented to the German public as complementary. Baron Von
Mildenstein, the first head of the Jewish Department of the SS,
later followed by Eichmann, was invited to travel to Palestine.
This he did in early 1933, in the company of a Zionist leader,
Kurt Tuchler. Having spent six months in Palestine, he wrote a
series of favourable articles in Der STURMER describing the 'new
Jew' of Zionism, a Jew Nazis could accept and understand.
This little-known episode established quite clearly the
relationship during the early days of Nazism, between the new
regime and the ZVfD, a relationship that was echoed later in a
number of key instances, even after the nature of the Final
Solution became clear. In many cases this meant a silencing of
reports about the horrors of the exterminations. A book
concentrating on this aspect of the Zionist reaction to the
Holocaust is Post-Ugandan Zionism in the Crucible of the
Holocaust, by S. B. Beth-Zvi.
In the case of the Kastner episode, around which Jim Allen's play
PERDITION is based, even the normal excuse of lack of knowledge of
the real nature of events does not exist. It occured near the end
of the war. The USSR had advanced almost up to Germany. Italy and
the African bases had been lost. The Nazis were on the run, with a
number of key countries, such as Rumania, leaving the Axis. A
second front was a matter of months away, as the western Allies
prepared their forces. In the midst of all this we find Eichmann,
the master bureaucrat of industrial murder, setting up his HZ in
occupied Budapest, after the German takeover of the country in
April 1944. His first act was to have a conference with the Jewish
leadership, and to appoint Zionist Federation members, headed by
Kastner as the agent and clearing house for all Jews and their
relationship with the SS and the Nazr authorities. Why they did
this is not difficult to see. As opposed to Poland, where its
three and a half million Jews lived in ghettoes and were visibly
different from the rest of the Polish population, the Hungarian
Jews were an integrated part of the community. The middle class
was mainly Jewish, the Jews were mainly middle-class. They enjoyed
freedom of travel, served in the Hungarian (fascist) army in
fronline units, as officers and soldiers, their names were
Hungarian - how was Eichmann to find them if they were to be
exterminated ? The task was not easy, there were a million Jews in
Hungary, most of them resident, the rest being refugees from other
countries. Many had heard about the fate of Jews elsewhere, and
were unlikely to believe any statements by Nazi officials.
Like elsewhere, the only people who had the information and the
ear of the frightened Jewish population were the Judenrat. In this
case the Judenrat comprsied mainly the Zionist Federation members.
Without their help the SS, with 19 officers and less than 90 men,
plus a few hundred Hungarian police, could not have collected and
controlled a million Jews, when they did not even know their
whereabouts. Kastner and the others were left under no illusions.
Eichmann told Joel Brand, one of the members of Kastner's
committee, that he intended to send all Hungary's Jews to
Auschwitz, before he even started the expulsions! He told them
clearly that all these Jews will die, 12,000 a day, unless certain
conditions were met.
The Committee faced a simple choice - to tell the Jews of Hungary
about their fate, (with neutral Rumania, where many could escape,
being in most cases a few hours away) or to collaborate with the
Nazis by assisting in the concentration process. What would not
have been believed when coming from the SS, sounded quite
plausible when coming from the mouths of the Zionist leadership.
Thus it is, that most of the Hungarian Jews went quietly to their
death, assured by their leadership that they were to be sent to
work camps.
To be sure, there are thirty pieces of silver in this narrative of
destruction: the trains of 'prominents' which Eichmann promised to
Kastner - a promise he kept to the last detail. For Eichmann it
was a bargain: allowing 1,680 Jews to survive, as the price paid
for the silent collaboration over the death of almost a million
Jews.
There was no way in which the Jews of Hungary could even be
located, not to say murdered, without the full collaboration of
Kastner and his few friends. No doubt the SS would hunt a few Jews
here and there, but the scale of the operation would have been
miniscule compared to the half million who died in Auschwitz.
It is important to realise that Kastner was not an aberration,
like say Rumkovsky in Lodz. Kastner acted as a result of his
strongly held Zionist convictions. His actions were a logical
outcome of earlier positions. This is instanced when he exposed to
the Gestapo the existence of a British cell of saboteurs, Palgi
and Senesh, and persuaded them to give themselves up, so as not to
disrupt his operations. At no point during his trial or elsewhere,
did Kastner deny that he knew exactly what was to happen to those
Jews.
To conclude, the role played by Zionists in this period, was
connected to another role they could, and should have played, that
of alarming the whole world to what was happening in Europe. They
had the information, but politically it was contrary to their
priorities. The priorities were, and still are, quite simple: All
that furthers the Zionist enterprise in Palestine is followed,
whatever the price. The lives of individuals, Jews and non-Jews,
are secondary. If this process requires dealing with fascists,
Nazis and other assorted dictatorial regimes across the world, so
be it.
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
Okay here is what I have so far:
Have a group (any size, preferibly small, but?) send a human being to the moon,
set up a habitate and have the human(s) spend one earth year on the moon. Does
that mean no resupply or ??
Need to find atleast $1billion for prize money.
Contest open to different classes of participants.
New Mexico State has semi-challenged University of Alaska (any branch) to put a
team together and to do it..
Any other University/College/Institute of Higher Learning wish to make a
counter challenge or challenge another school? Say it here.
I like the idea of having atleast a russian team.
Some prefer using new technology, others old or ..
The basic idea of the New Moon Race is like the Solar Car Race acrossed
Australia.. Atleast in that basic vein of endevour..
Any other suggestions?
==
Michael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked
| 14sci.space |
It was my impression watching the Mets & Rockies that umpires were
calling strikes above the belt, too, but not as far up as the letters.
It would be nice if this were the case.
Jay
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
schaefer@imag.imag.fr (Arno Schaefer) writes:
>In article <1993Apr21.085848.12704W@lumina.edb.tih.no>, ketil@edb.tih.no (Ketil Albertsen,TIH) writes:
>|> In article <1993Apr20.230749.12821@reed.edu>, mblock@reed.edu (Matt Block) writes:
>|>
>|> > I guess what I am saying is that your question is difficult, if not
>|> >impossible, to answer. What exactly do you want to know? Do you need a good
>|> >one for a project you are working on? How secure must it be? Are you trying
>|> >to crack one that someone else has used? I can probably make suggestions,
>|> >assuming the activity is strictly legal. (In general, it is a BAD idea,
>|> >legally, to tamper with copy protection. It can also lead to corruption of
>|> >files which you necessarily do not have back ups of (being as they are copy
>|> >protected,) which can be devestating.) Do you have absolutely no ideas for
>|> >practical applications, and are merely curious?
>|> > Please clear up those questions, and I'll try to help as much as I
>|> >can.
>|>
>|> May we interpret this as an offer to volunteer as editor for a
>|> "Copy protection FAQ" ? I am quite sure that I am not alone welcoming such
>|> an initiative! *I* will volunteer to ask some of the questions, if you will
>|> provide the answers :-)
>|>
>|> Ketil Albertsen
>Hey, now will you stop encouraging him? Copy protection only serves one pur-
>pose: to keep the honest buyer from making (legal) backup copies. It will
>definitely not stop any pirates. If you want to protect you soft, supply a
>good documentation and support. This is IMHO the *only* way of effectively pro-
>tecting software.
>Best Regards,
>Arno
>--
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Arno Schaefer ENSIMAG, 2e Annee
>Email: schaefer@silene.imag.fr
>Tel.: (33) 76 51 79 95 :-)
>------- No, you're not paranoid - the world is really out to get you -----------
Your wrong. Never give up. Update your program as much as possible, with a
very low price of upgrade to registered users (and *PLEASE* make sure you keep
a list of registered numbers!)...
--
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ag625@yfn.ysu.edu ggruscho@nyx.cs.du.edu
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| 12sci.electronics |
nicho@vnet.IBM.COM (Greg Stewart-Nicholls) writes:
>In <C63nA8.4C1@news.cso.uiuc.edu> George F. Krumins writes:
>>I was suggesting that the minority of professional and amateur astronomers
>>have the right to a dark, uncluttered night sky.
> Sorry, you have a _wish_ for an uncluttered night sky, but it
>isn't a right. When you get down to it, you actually have no rights
>that the majority haven't agreed to give you (and them in the process).
>It's a common misconception that being born somehow endows you with
>rights to this that and the other. Sadly this is not true.
> Now if you want to talk about the responsibility that _should_ go with
>the power to clutter the night sky, then that's a different matter.
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>Greg Nicholls ... : Vidi
>nicho@vnet.ibm.com or : Vici
>nicho@olympus.demon.co.uk : Veni
According to this reasoning there are no rights, at least none that I can think
of....
Let's see. Do I have a right to unpolluted air? No, because the majority
drive cars and use goods that create air pollution in the manufacturing process.
Do I have the right to clean water? I guess not, by the same reasoning.
I could go on with these examples for a long time....
Look at Nazi Germany. Because of the majority, Jews, homosexuals, blacks,
and others that were different had no rights. In fact they were terrorized,
imprisoned, and slaughtered. In this country did blacks have the right to be
free from slavery? I guess not, because the majority said that slavery was
good for them.
I think that a right has a moral imperative. If a law, imposed by the majority,
is immoral, one should not follow it. In fact, one should do everything in
his/her power to stop it. Of course, that doesn't mean that I would lose all
common sense to break the law, just because I thought it was immoral. I pay
my Federal Income Tax even though I am morally opposed to the U.S. Government
taking my money and spending it on weapons of mass destruction and terrorism.
This is precisely the point I am trying to make. We should _persude_ people
by logic, pointing out that it is in their self-interest to let all have
equal rights in all aspects of life, including adequate housing, food, and
medical care. I just happen to think that for a full life the aesthetic of
beauty and joy is also necessary. That is why I consider an uncluttered
night sky a right.
Have you ever been out in the desert, away from local lights, and most people?
The sky is dark and transparent. The Milky Way is ablaze with more detail
than you thought possible. The beauty and wonder takes your breath away.
Now imagine you live in the worst ghetto, say in L.A. Due to light pollution
you have never seen a dark sky. You might in fact never, not in your whole
life, ever see the majesty of the night sky. Every where around you, you see
squalor, and through your life runs a thread of dispair. What is there to live
for?
I admit these two scenarios are extreme examples, but I have seen both.
I, for one, need dreams and hopes, and yes, beauty, as a reason for living.
That is why I consider an uncluttered night sky a right.
George
--
| George Krumins /^\ The Serpent and the Rainbow |
| gfk39017@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu <^^. .^^> |
| Pufferfish Observatory <_ (o) _> |
| \_/ |
| 14sci.space |
In article <9307@blue.cis.pitt.edu> Kenneth Gilbert,
kxgst1+@pitt.edu writes:
>situation. QA activities are a routine part of every hospital's
>administrative function and are required by accreditation agencies.
There
>are even entire publications devoted to QA issues.
Indeed. I spend about 60% of my time dealing with quality stuff. It
is a hot number.
Two journals worth looking at are:-
Quality Review Bulletin. Pub:Joint Commission on Accreditation of
Healthcare Organizations, one Renaissance boulevard, Oakbrook
Terrace, IL 60181
Quality in Health Care. BMJ Publishing Group, Box No. 560B,
Kennebunkport, ME 04046
Don Mackie - his opinions
UM Anesthesiology will disavow
| 13sci.med |
In article <1993Apr19.130132.12650@afterlife.ncsc.mil> rlward1@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Robert Ward) writes:
+In article <bontchev.734981805@fbihh> bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de writes:
+>and since the US constitutions guarantees the right to every American
+>to bear arms, why is not every American entitled, as a matter of
+
+Have you read the applicable part of the Constitution and interpreted it IN
+CONTEXT? If not, please do so before posting this misinterpretation again.
+It refers to the right of the people to organize a militia, not for individuals
+to carry handguns, grenades, and assault rifles.
Hmmm, this could become a flame war very quickly. The text is "...well
regulated militia..." When that amendment was written and approved,
"regulated" meand "armed". Remember all of those Westerns where bounty
hunters were called "regulators"? This is now an archaic usage of the
word, but the original intent of the amendment was about weapons, not
control.
My $0.02.
Dan Robinson
| 11sci.crypt |
In article <C6x44y.3xD@cbfsb.cb.att.com> mohamed.s.sadek,
sadek@cbnewsg.cb.att.com writes:
>I like what Mr. Joseph Biden had to say yesterday 5/11/93 in the senate.
>
>Condemening the european lack of action and lack of support to us plans
>and calling that "moral rape".
>
>He went on to say that the reason for that is "out right religious
BIGOTRY"
>
>
>Mohamed
Biden spoke well. Then there was John Major, the architect of the
betrayal of Bosnian Muslims to genocide.
He basically has given yet another green light to HVO Ustashe and
Mladic-Chetnik serial killers, rapists, and plunderers to continue their
genocide against Bosnian Muslims.
But Major met with Mr. Rushdie and said it was "unacceptable" that Iran
should have a death decree on him. While I disagree personally with
Fetwas against hack writers like Rushdie (it only helps them sell more
books), I find it interesting that Mr. Major finds the genocide of two
million Muslims in Bosnia acceptable, but a threat against one single
popular British writer "unacceptable."
--
Michael Sells, Department of Religion, Haverford College
Haverford, Pa 19041-1392
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
> But I think that mind-set is a mistake. Before there
> were cattle prods, governments tortured their prisoners with
> clubs and rubber hoses. Before there were lasers for
> eavesdropping, governments used binoculars and lip-readers.
> Though government certainly uses technology to oppress, the
> evil lies not in the tools but in the wielder of the tools.
Evil and good walk hand in hand. It is also important to note that
the good in the tools lies in the wielder of the tools.
> In fact, technology represents one of the most promis-
> ing avenues available for re-capturing our freedoms from
> those who have stolen them.
I cannot accept this ridiculous leap in logic. Technology is neutral
to good or evil. When technology is used by "evil" men, it is called
evil technology. When it is used by "good" men, it is called good
technology. Really, it is just technology that allows action to be
realized more efficently and on a larger scale.
> By its very nature, it favors
> the bright (who can put it to use) over the dull (who can-
> not).
Try not to confused the development of technology with its use.
Certainly, "bright" people will be better at creating technology, but
even young children know how to program VCR machines. Are VCR
machines not extremely complex to create?
> It favors the adaptable (who are quick to see the
> merit of the new (over the sluggish (who cling to time-
> tested ways).
Adaptibility and flexibility is always better at enduring than the
stiff and stubborn. A young child is soft and supple; an old man is
stiff and inflexible. A dripping of water can cut through stone.
This has nothing to do with technology, rather technology just
allows us to magnify action.
> And what two better words are there to de-
> scribe government bureaucracy than "dull" and "sluggish"?
I have no objection to this! :)
joshp@cmu.edu /o)\ Silent
\(o/ Thunder
| 11sci.crypt |
H E L P !
I have a problem in which I'm getting increasing frustrated every day...
Some background about my PC:
- American Megatrend BIOS (clone 386 SX) with 32M of RAM
- config.sys file:
device=c:\dos\himem.sys
dos=high,umb
device=c:\windows\emm386.exe noems
files=30
buffers=30
stack=9,256
- autoexec.bat file is using smartdrv.exe +c
- CMOS set up is running 0 wait state on read and write cache ram.
The problem: APPLICATION ERROR from WIN31
I started off with a newly installed WIN31 and then installed EXCEL.
Run excel, no problem. A permanent swap file of size 18K was in place
for windows.
Ok, I then proceed to install Norton Desktop
for Windows version 2.0. No problem with the installation. I also
allow NDW to alter my autoexec.bat(with the nav running on c:).
The problem came when I try to (bring up excel or if excel is running
and right in the middle of it - like click a selection with the mouse)
from the desktop.
First of all, I always get the application error screen followed by
another application error screen with various different messages. The
following are some of them:
- Stack fault, by TC1024.DRV at address 0001:XXXX where XXXX is some
number. (TC1024.DRV is the VGA driver provided by the manufacture)
- General protection fault, by ndw.exe at the same address
- Segment load failure, by ndw.exe at same address
Some how, the address flagged was always 0001:something. What is address
0001:XXXX means?
I have absolutely on idea what this mean. I tried commented out the
TSR programs from autoexec.bat, no help.
Is it something to do with the emm386 setup which is not telling
WIN31 what it suppose to know. Looks like the application is crossing
memory boundary when it is being loaded or while it is running.
Please reply if you have any idea or suggestion. I'm willing to try
anything.
--------------
Steve Chu
AT&T Bell Labs
Holmdel, NJ
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
In article <115288@bu.edu>, jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:
>
>He'd have to be precise about is rejection of God and his leaving Islam.
>One is perfectly free to be muslim and to doubt and question the
>existence of God, so long as one does not _reject_ God. I am sure that
>Rushdie has be now made his atheism clear in front of a sufficient
>number of proper witnesses. The question in regard to the legal issue
>is his status at the time the crime was committed.
I'd have to say that I have a problem with any organization,
religious or not, where the idea that _simple speech_ such
as this is the basis for a crime.
-jim halat
| 0alt.atheism |
In rec.autos, boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) writes:
xIn article <1qgi8eINNhs5@skeena.ucs.ubc.ca> yiklam@unixg.ubc.ca (Yik Chong Lam)
x writes:
x>Hello,
x>
x> Does anyone know how to take out the bolt under the engine
x>compartment? Should I turn clockwise or counter? I tried any kind
x>of lubricants, WD-40,etc, but I still failed!
x> Do you think I can use a electric drill( change to a suitable
x>bit ) to turn it out? If I can succeed, can I re-tighten it not too
x>tight, is it safe without oil leak?
x
xAssuming you don't have a Russian car with opposite threads, then
xyou turn counterclockwise. I would get some professional
xhelp here, you may not have located the draing plug and
xactually be trying to loosen something else.
x
xCraig
x>
x>
x>Thank you very much in advance------ Winson
x>
This reminds me of the first time my cousin did an oil change on his
car. He crawled under, removed a bolt, drained the fluid, replaced the
bolt, then carefully poured in 5 quarts of oil. Didn't bother to
check the dip stick, just drove off. Didn't get too far till me found
out that he'd drained the 4-speed trans and dumped an extra 5 quarts
into the engine.:( MORAL: As Craig said don't be ashamed to get some
*in person* help the first time.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Mack Costello <mcostell@oasys.dt.navy.mil> Code 65.1 (formerly 1720.1)
David Taylor Model Basin, Carderock Division Hq. NSWC ___/-\____
Bethesda, MD 20084-5000 Phone (301) 227-2431 (__________>|
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
| 7rec.autos |
HI,
I am looking for an X app that will display dxf files. These are
ascii text files that are normally associated with autocad. I have
a large 9 meg. file of the state of wisconsin that i would like to
views and or cut into smaller chunks.
I also would like to find a complete file layout for dxf files.
Any information would be appreciated.
--
Patrick L. McGillan
Computer Systems Specialist
University Of Wisconsin Ph: (715) 394-8191
Superior, Wisconsin pmcgilla@uwsuper.edu
| 5comp.windows.x |
In article <allen.735873202@well.sf.ca.us> allen@well.sf.ca.us (Allen Barrett Ethridge) writes:
>In <1993Apr26.063532.10120@eff.org> mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin) writes:
>
>>In article <C614BJ.BK6@agora.rain.com> jhart@agora.rain.com (Jim Hart) writes:
>>>"The security of the system should depend only on the secrecy of
>>>the keys and not on the secrecy of the algorithms" -- Dorothy Denning
>
>>Cite source, please.
>
>"Cryptography and Data Security", page 8, perhaps.
Thanks. Got that from two other sources as well. The full quote is as
follows:
From Dorothy Denning, CRYPTOGRAPHY AND DATA SECURITY, Addison-Wesley
1982,1983, page 8:
"Cryptosystems must satisfy three general requirements:
"1. The enciphering and deciphering transformations must be efficient for
all keys.
"2. The system must be easy to use.
"3. The security of the system should depend only on the secrecy of the
keys and not on the secrecy of algorithms E [enciphering] or D
[deciphering]."
--Mike
--
Mike Godwin, | Ariel Rose Godwin
mnemonic@eff.org| Born 4-15-93 at 4:34 pm in Cambridge
(617) 576-4510 | 7 pounds, 1.5 ounces, 19.75 inches long
EFF, Cambridge | A new citizen of the Electronic Frontier
| 11sci.crypt |
Just to remark that I have heard that David Koresh has risen from
the dead. I dont know if it is true or not, but this is what I have
been told. What do you guys think?
Ben L.
| 19talk.religion.misc |
Hi there
(I posted this to comp.windows.x.intrinsics but got no response, so I'm posting
here.)
I'm wanting to connect a digitiser made for PCs into my workstation (an HP 720).
It is my understanding the X windows can understand a variety of input devices
including digitiser tablets. However, this digitiser makes use of the serial
port, so there would seem to be a need to have a special device driver.
The HP manual pages say that the HP X server will accept X input from
devices listed in the /usr/lib/X11/X*devices file (* = display number).
I shouldn't think I would be able to simply insert /dev/rs232c as an input
device in this file and expect a digitiser to work. But maybe I'm wrong. Am I?
What I would like to know is: does anybody out there have a digitiser connected
to their workstation for use as a pointer for X (rather than just as input to a
specific X application)? If so, what were the steps required for installation?
Did you need a special device driver? Did the manufacturer supply it? Are
there generic public domain device drivers around? (I understand that
digitisers generally use only a couple of standard formats.)
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers
- Vaughan
--
Vaughan Clarkson ___________ Email: vaughan@ewd.dsto.gov.au
Engineering Ph.D. Student | Phone: +61-8-259-6486
& Glider Pilot ^ Fax: +61-8-259-5254
---------------------------------(_)---------------------------------
| 5comp.windows.x |
I've recently listened to a tape by Dr. Stanislaw Burzynski, in which he
claims to have discovered a series naturally occuring peptides with anti-
cancer properties that he names antineoplastons. Burzynski says that his
work has met with hostility in the United States, despite the favorable
responses of his subjects during clinical trials.
What is the generally accepted opinion of Dr. Burzynski's research? He
paints himself as a lone researcher with a new breakthrough battling an
intolerant medical establishment, but I have no basis from which to judge
his claims. Two weeks ago, however, I read that the NIH's Department of
Alternative Medicine has decided to focus their attention on Burzynski's
work. Their budget is so small that I imagine they wouldn't investigate a
treatment that didn't seem promising.
Any opinions on Burzynski's antineoplastons or information about the current
status of his research would be appreciated.
--
Joshua Schwimmer
jschwimmer@eagle.wesleyan.edu
| 13sci.med |
I have a 486/33 IBM clone with two serial ports (com1, com2) and mouse port.
Both the serial ports are directly sitting on the mother board. I tried to
install a 2400 buad Hayes internal modem, but it doesnt work. Once I dial any
number the system locks. I do not hear any click or ring before it the system
hangs. The modem has a 2 pin dip switch to select the appropriate port. Once
I change the settings on the dip switch, the system starts working again.
Then I bought a 2400 baud Hayes external modem and checked the system. It
works fine with both the serial ports. The internal modem has been checked on
another machine and it works fine, but does not work on my machine.
Can anyone please help me to find the problem.
thanks
Narm Gadiraju
ngadiraj@infonode.ingr.com
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey (higgins@fnalf.fnal.gov) wrote:
: In article <C5KzLs.KKB@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Brian V. Hughes) writes:
: > mmiller@garnet.msen.com (Marvin Miller) writes:
: >>My friend recently purchased a LC III and he wants to know if there is
: >>such a demon called NuBus adapter for his PDS slot?
: > The LC family of Macs can only
: > use PDS cards. They are not able to use NuBus.
: Ah, but why? Can some technically-hip Macslinger tell us what the
: difference is between PDS and Nubus?
: Is it impossible to make a gadget that plugs into PDS and ends in a
: Nubus card cage? At least, Marvin's friend has not been able to
: locate one and neither have I. What is the fundamental reason for
: this?
I think that there do exist NuBus expansion cages (I'm sure I've seen
them advertised occassionally), but I think that the main problem is that
they cost much more than the difference in price between say a LC and IIvx
so unless you need lots of NuBus slots its not worth the bother.
(Of course, it may be that these extra boxes are so expensive because
no one buys them because they are so expensive...)
NuBus technology isn't a special Apple Proprietry thing (I have this
sneaky feeling that it is licensed from Texas Instruments???) so there
is no problem building an expansion box.
The difference between NuBus and PDS is that NuBus is a clever interface
with lots of neat toys built in to make sure that lots of cards can work
together on the same computer. PDS (processor direct slot) is just that:
here are all the connections to the processor. You can do anything with
this and it is as quick as it can be, but there's no cooperation. You
may be able to get double PDS slot adaptors but you try plugging 2
video cards in, and just watch them conflict! Of course, the extra
electronics in a NuBus slot makes it appreciably more expensive, so
guess why Apple doesn't put it in it's cheaper machines?
So, yah pays yer money and yah takes yah choice.
Bill (wis@liverpool.ac.uk)
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
where can I buy 1 or 2 of these chips (pref in Australia)?
What is name and address of `UMC'?
Dan
--
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Adrian Blockley ! I may say something profound
Environmental science ! here one day.
Murdoch University !
Western Australia, 6153 !
blockley@essun1.murdoch.edu.au !
phone 09-360 2737 !
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