text stringlengths 1 160k | label class label 20
classes |
|---|---|
In article <Apr.21.03.26.18.1993.1352@geneva.rutgers.edu> reedr@cgsvax.claremont.edu writes:
> We also cannot fail to note the intense suffering a devastation which has been
> wrecked on our world because of Christians -- who were certain they were
> following Christ. From Captialist who have polluted the enviorment in strict
> obedience to the Gensis command to subdue the earth, to Nazi's who have
> "justly"
> punished the Jews for the killing Christ (as well as the other progroms), the
> innocent women who were burned alive in accordance with "you shall not allow a
> witch to live", the Moslems who were killed in the Crusades, the god-fearing
> men destroyed by the inquistion. The religious wars in Spain, France, England,
> etc. Christianity has undoubtedly caused the most suffering and needless loss
> of life by individuals whose certainity that they were following the
> instructions therein, was unquestionable. There is much to grieve.
>
> randy
Very interesting, but I also believe that you have presented a
misleading argument. Christianity is not the cause of the massacres
and horrific injustices that you relate, rather they are the fault
of people who misunderstand Jesus Christ's message, and modify
it to suit their own beliefs and aims, rather than alter their
ambitions to be more in line with those presented as desirable in
the New Testament. With every truthful and good message that
carries authority or implied authority, comes the inevitable
fact that some (many?) people will understand it in a distorted
way, with inevitable consequences.
The Bible's message is that we are to love all people, and
that all people are redeemable. It preaches a message of
repentance, and of giving. Unfortunately, all people have
deceitful hearts, and are capable of turning this message
around and contorting it in sometimes unbelievable ways.
This is also a fundamental Christian doctrine.
One of the problems is that you look at the world through
the eyes of Western history. I think that you will find
many, many cases of massacres that were instigated by
people who never claimed they were Christian. I am not saying
this to justify the massacres that were, but I am merely
pointing you to a tendency which is present in humans already.
Consider the world without Christianity. I doubt that we
would have the same freedoms in the countries in which we
live, if it wasn't for the peaceful doctrines of Jesus Christ.
Perhaps we would even be confronted by a very harsh religion
(I won't name any here, though one comes to mind) which
would not even allow us the freedom of speech to debate such
subjects.
Point the blame at inherent human tendencies of thirst for
power, greed and hatred. Please don't point the blame at
a message which preaches fundamental giving and denial, in
love for others.
Yours in Christ,
Andrew McVeigh
p.s. I believe that a line of questioning like you presented
is, strangely enough, compatible with becoming a Christian.
Certainly Christianity encourages one to question the behaviour
of the world, and especially Christians. I praise God for
Jesus Christ, and the fact that we can doubt our beliefs
and still come back to God and be forgiven, time and time
again.
--
*****
Andrew McVeigh
| 15soc.religion.christian |
EC>It was called the Mac XL when Sculley came on board. I bought one at
a close-out place after the Mac Plus and the awesome 20-meg serial hard
drive were introduced. To pacify people who bought the XL and only found
it was discontinued within a year, Apple sent people like I a letter
saying for $1500 and the XL, they would give me a 1-meg Mac Plus with
the HD20.
The Lisa was originally introduced in 1980 or '81, I forget now, and
sold for $9995 with 2 400k floppy drives and 1Mb memory. It didn't do
too well. <grin>
Before becoming the Mac XL it was called a Lisa 2/10. It had a built in
10meg HD by this time and was expandable to 2Mb RAM although that's not
what the 2 in 2/10 stood for. It was the second coming of the Lisa. It
also predated the Mac Plus AND the 20Mb serial HD by quite a few months.
For a short while it WAS the power users system.
---
. DeLuxe. 1.26b #956s . MicroFrame: The BEST in Price and Performance!
. QNet3. . The PipeLine : Atlanta, GA : Echo Mail From Around The World
----
| HAL 9000 BBS: QWK-to-Usenet gateway | Four 14400 v.32bis dial-ins |
| FREE Usenet mail and 200 newsgroups! | PCBoard 14.5aM * uuPCB * Kmail |
| Call +1 313 663 4173 or 663 3959 +--------------------------------+
| Member of EFF, ASP, ASAD * 1500MB disk * Serving Ann Arbor since 1988 |
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
In article <bissda.4.734849678@saturn.wwc.edu> bissda@saturn.wwc.edu (DAN LAWRENCE BISSELL) writes:
It appears that Walla Walla College will fill the same role in alt.atheist
that Allegheny College fills in alt.fan.dan-quayle.
> First I want to start right out and say that I'm a Christian. It
>makes sense to be one. Have any of you read Tony Campollo's book- liar,
>lunatic, or the real thing? (I might be a little off on the title, but he
>writes the book. Anyway he was part of an effort to destroy Christianity,
>in the process he became a Christian himself.
Converts to xtianity have this tendency to excessively darken their
pre-xtian past, frequently falsely. Anyone who embarks on an
effort to "destroy" xtianity is suffering from deep megalomania, a
defect which is not cured by religious conversion.
> The arguements he uses I am summing up. The book is about whether
>Jesus was God or not. I know many of you don't believe, but listen to a
>different perspective for we all have something to gain by listening to what
>others have to say.
Different perspective? DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE?? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!
> The book says that Jesus was either a liar, or he was crazy ( a
>modern day Koresh) or he was actually who he said he was.
(sigh!) Perhaps Big J was just mistaken about some of his claims.
Perhaps he was normally insightful, but had a few off days. Perhaps
many (most?) of the statements attributed to Jesus were not made by
him, but were put into his mouth by later authors. Other possibilities
abound. Surely, someone seriously examining this question could
come up with a decent list of possible alternatives, unless the task
is not serious examination of the question (much less "destroying"
xtianity) but rather religious salesmanship.
> Some reasons why he wouldn't be a liar are as follows. Who would
>die for a lie?
How many Germans died for Nazism? How many Russians died in the name
of the proletarian dictatorship? How many Americans died to make the
world safe for "democracy". What a silly question!
>Wouldn't people be able to tell if he was a liar? People
>gathered around him and kept doing it, many gathered from hearing or seeing
>someone who was or had been healed. Call me a fool, but I believe he did
>heal people.
Is everyone who performs a healing = God?
> Niether was he a lunatic. Would more than an entire nation be drawn
>to someone who was crazy.
It's probably hard to "draw" an entire nation to you unless you
are crazy.
>Very doubtful, in fact rediculous. For example
>anyone who is drawn to David Koresh is obviously a fool, logical people see
>this right away.
> Therefore since he wasn't a liar or a lunatic, he must have been the
>real thing.
Anyone who is convinced by this laughable logic deserves
to be a xtian.
> Some other things to note. He fulfilled loads of prophecies in
>the psalms, Isaiah and elsewhere in 24 hrs alone. This in his betrayal
>and Crucifixion. I don't have my Bible with me at this moment, next time I
>write I will use it.
Don't bother. Many of the "prophecies" were "fulfilled" only in the
eyes of xtian apologists, who distort the meaning of Isaiah and
other OT books.
| 0alt.atheism |
In article <20APR93.23565659.0109@VM1.MCGILL.CA>, B8HA000 <B8HA@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA> writes:
|> In Re:Syria's Expansion, the author writes that the UN thought
|> Zionism was Racism and that they were wrong. They were correct
|> the first time, Zionism is Racism and thankfully, the McGill Daily
|> (the student newspaper at McGill) was proud enough to print an article
|> saying so. If you want a copy, send me mail.
If you want info claiming that blacks were brought to earth 60 trillion
years ago by Aliens from the plante Shabazz, I can send you literature from
the Nation of Islam (Farrakhan's group) who believe this.
If you want info claiming that the Holocaust never happened, I can send you
info from IHR (Institute for Historical Review - David Irving's group), or
just read Dan Gannon's posts on alt.revisionism.
I just wanted to put Steve's post in with the company that it deserves.
|> Steve
Gedaliah Friedenberg
-=-Department of Mechanical Engineering
-=-Department of Metallurgy, Mechanics and Materials Science
-=-Michigan State University
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
Shazad Barlas (jkjec@westminster.ac.uk) wrote:
: To wheelspin in an auto, you keep the gear in N - gas it - then stick the
: gear in D... I've never tried this but am sure it works - but does this screw
: up the autobox? We're having a bit of a debate about it here...
I've known more people to leave their rear ends in pieces doing this,
especially if they have reasonable power to transmit and good traction
on the road surface.
You're better off powerbraking.
Wes Fujii
________________________________________________________________
___ ___ ___
/ / / // /
/ /__/ // / A real motor is an Oldsmobile Rocket 455
/ HURST // / "This is NOT the new generation of Olds"
/ / / // /_______
/__/ /__// // ___ \
/ // / \ \ Wes "BANZAI" Fujii
/ // /OLDS/ / Boise, Idaho
/ / \ \___/ / wesf@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com
/__/ \_______/
| 7rec.autos |
In article <1483500357@igc.apc.org> Center for Policy Research <cpr@igc.apc.org> writes:
>The Israeli Left's inability to cope with the challenges it is
>presented with by reality becomes obvious at those moments when
>the reality does not line up with the expectations of the left. We
>were able to see this clearly during the Gulf War. Because of the
>Palestinian's popular solidarity with Iraq, Yossi Sarid -
>currently Minister of the Environment - made his infamous
>statement: "You look for me !", i.e., I'am not making any more
>efforts to speak with you. From Yossi Sarid's point of view,
>Palestinian reality during the Gulf War was not the lengthy curfew
>or the danger of hunger it brought with it, but whether or not the
>Palestinians accepted what was acceptable to the party. Similarly
>MERETZ, MK Deddi Tzuker, recently faced with criticism from
>residents of the West Bank town of Beit Sahour over his
>government's and his party's lack of action for human rights and
>peace, responded by asking those present at the discussion whether
>they would rather have a Likud government. From the Leftists'
>perspective this is the best government because it is THEIR
>government, regardless of what it does.
>
>These members of the Israeli Left have already decided how the
>future of the Occupied Territories will look, and they want to
>dictate to the Palestinians how to get there.
When someone starts criticizing the Leftists for not being Leftist
enough, we get a pretty clear idea of what they believe to be normal.
I hope that your not still calling yourself fair and unbiased, Elias.
--
Jake Livni jake@bony1.bony.com Ten years from now, George Bush will
American-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the
My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President.
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
In article <C623Az.M85@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> PICL account_25,
picl25@fsphy1.physics.fsu.edu writes:
>adults. The change in environment can cause problems. Anesthetic
agents
>can cause confusion because the body cannot clear the medicines out
of
>the body as easily.
The original poster did not say why his mother had been in hospital
but I can answer a few general points.
Elderly patients may exhibit a marked difficulty in coping after
being in hospital for a few days. The drastic change of environment
will often unmask how marginally they have been coping at home. Even
young people find the change unsettling.
Though we have thought that this decrement in function after - say -
anaesthesia and surgery for a fractured hip (a common event in the
elderly) was due to anaesthesia there is good evidence that the
change of situation is much more important. Some hospitals have
tried a 'rapid transit' system for hip fractures, aiming to have the
patient back at home within 24 hours of admission. The selection of
the anaesthetic has no effect on the ability to discharge these
patients early.
Anaesthetists who work with the elderly (which is almost all of us)
generally take care to tailor the choice and dose of drugs used to
the individual patient. Even so, there is some evidence that full
mental recovery may take a surprisingly long time to return. This is
the sort of thing which is detected by setting quite difficult
tasks, not the gross change that the original poster noted.
Haloperidol (Haldol TM) is a long acting drug. The plasma half life
of the drug is up to 35 hours. If the decanoate (a sort of slow
release formulation) is used it may be weeks. The elderly are
sensitive to haloperidol for a number of reasons. Without knowing
more it is hard to comment.
Don Mackie - his opinions
esiology will disavow...
| 13sci.med |
Hello netters!
I have a fairly weak question to ask everybody in netland. I've looked though
the last FAQ for comp.graphics but I didn't find my answer. Thus the post.
I'll keep it short.
QUESTION: How do I display any raster files, gif files, iff or tiff images
that I have on my "root window" or background? I have a sun ipc, openwindows
3.0, Sun OS 4.1.3 if that helps any.
I've compiled POV for the sun and would like to display some of the work I have
done as a background/tile. Thanks for any help or information that you
provide. Have a good day.
Scott Fleming
OSI
P.S.
Kudo's to the people who provided POV, its great!
| 1comp.graphics |
In article 5802@news.yale.edu, adriene_nazaretian@qm.yale.edu (Adriene Nazaretian) writes:
> In article <1993Mar26.020427.29119@samba.oit.unc.edu>, tclark@med.unc.edu (Thomas B. Clark) says
[...]
> >2. Is the driver support as seamless as program support?
> >e.g., Will my Soundblaster, scanner, CD-Rom, tape backup
> >continue to work even if there are no specific NT drivers?
> >
> There is a hardware compatibility guide to answer these questions.
> There are many drivers for CD Rom and there are MIDI and other
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> sound drivers installed, I dont do a lot with sound digitizing on this
> platform, but recall seeing items for their configuration in the Control
> Panel Applet. There is built in support for tape backup systems as well.
[...]
My Problem: I wasn't aware of the fact that I would need an *SCSI*-CD-ROM for
Windows NT when ordering the Beta-SDK-Package. So my question: Is there any driver
available that will allow me to use my Mitsumi (Non-SCSI) CD-ROM for installation ?
If there is one, from which place (ftp-site) can I get it ?
Many thanks in advance
Stefan Kuehnel
---
----------------------------------------------------------------------
/\ Stefan K"uhnel
|
|/ kuehnel@rvs.uni-hannover.de
|\ kuehnel@swl.uni-hannover.de (neu ab. 17.04.1993)
|
\/ Die oben wiedergegebene Meinung ist meine private und nicht die
des RRZN, des LG RVS der UH oder einer anderen Institution.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
I received a Kaypro 286i computer (DOS) without a manual that
describes the jumpers on the motherboard. It came with
640KB and I up'd it to 1MB. But the computer or setup does not
recognize the extra 384K.
Does anyone know if this computer is capable of greater than 640K
on the main board and what jumpers are required to expand it to 1MB?
Some specs:
Kaypro main board assy number 81-621
Phoenix BIOS v1.51 1985
Thanks in advance,
Doug
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
[Please, note the Newsgroups.]
Recent discussion about XV's problems were held in some newsgroup.
Here is some text users of XV might find interesting.
I have added more to text to this collection article, so read on, even
you so my articles a while ago.
I hope author of XV corrects those problems as best he can, so fine
program XV is that it is worth of improving.
(I have also minor ideas for 24bit XV, e-mail me for them.)
Any misundertanding of mine is understandable.
Juhana Kouhia
==clip==
[ ..deleted..]
Note that 'xv' saves only 8bit/rasterized images; that means that
the saved jpegs are just like jpeg-to-gif-to-jpeg quality.
Also, there's three kind of 8bit quantizers; your final image quality
depends on them too.
This were the situation when I read jpeg FAQ a while ago.
IMHO, it is design error of 'xv'; there should not be such confusing
errors in programs.
There's two errors:
-xv allows the saving of 8bit/rasterized image as jpeg even the
original is 24bit -- saving 8bit/rasterized image instead of
original 24bit should be a special case
-xv allows saving the 8bit/rasterized image made with any quantizer
-- the main case should be that 'xv' quantizes the image with the
best quantizer available before saving the image to a file; lousier
quantizers should be just for viewing purposes (and a special cases
in saving the image, if at all)
==clip==
==clip==
[ ..deleted..]
It is limit of *XV*, but not limit of design.
It is error in design.
It is error that 8bit/quantized/rasterized images are stored as jpegs;
jpeg is not designed to that.
As matter of fact, I'm sure when XV were designed 24bit displays were
known. It is not bad error to program a program for 8bit images only
at that time, but when 24bit image formats are included to program the
whole design should be changed to support 24bit images.
That were not done and now we have
-the program violate jpeg design (and any 24bit image format)
-the program has human interface errors.
Otherway is to drop saving images as jpegs or any 24bit format without
clearly saying that it is special case and not expected in normal use.
[ ..deleted.. ]
==clip==
Some new items follows.
==clip==
I have seen that XV quantizes the image sometimes poorly with -best24
option than with default option we have.
The reason surely is the quantizer used as -best24; it is (surprise)
the same than used in ppmquant.
If you remember, I have tested some quantizers. In that test I found
that rlequant (with default) is best, then comes djpeg, fbmquant, xv
(our default) in that order. In my test ppmquant suggeeded very poorly
-- it actually gave image with bad artifacts.
I don't know is ppmquant improved any, but I expect no.
So, use of XV's -best24 option is not very good idea.
I suggest that author of XV changes the quantizer to the one used in
rlequant -- I'm sure rle-people gives permission.
(Another could be one used in ImageMagick; I have not tested it, so I
can say nothing about it.)
==clip==
==clip==
Some minor bugs in human interface are:
Key pressings and cursor clicks goes to a buffer; Often it happens
that I make click errors or press keyboard when cursor is in the wrong
place. It is very annoying when you have waited image to come about
five minutes and then it is gone away immediately.
The buffer should be cleaned when the image is complete.
Also, good idea is to wait few seconds before activating keyboard
and mouse for XV after the image is completed.
Often it happens that image pops to the screen quickly, just when
I'm writing something with editor or such. Those key pressings
then go to XV and image has gone or something weird.
In the color editor, when I turn a color meter and release it, XV
updates the images. It is impossible to change all RGB values first
and then get the updated image. It is annoying wait image to be
updated when the setting are not ready yet.
I suggest of adding an 'apply' button to update the exchanges done.
==clip==
| 1comp.graphics |
Hello All!
It is my understanding that all True-Type fonts in Windows are loaded in
prior to starting Windows - this makes getting into Windows quite slow if you
have hundreds of them as I do. First off, am I correct in this thinking -
secondly, if that is the case - can you get Windows to ignore them on boot and
maybe make something like a PIF file to load them only when you enter the
applications that need fonts? Any ideas?
Chris
* Origin: chris.doelle.@f3333.n106.z1.fidonet.org (1:106/3333.26)
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
Ok all you trivia buffs, I have a good one for you.
1. Prior to the foul bunt rule what is the record for the most foul balls
by 1 batter during one at bat?
2. Total pitches?
3. Who was the batter?
4. Who was the pitcher?
5. Same as 1-4 except after the foul bunt rule.
Associated data would be nice too (such as date, location, teams, etc.)
Bill
wrl@pmafire.inel.gov
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
I hope someone can help me with the following problem - I'm sure there
must be a known solution.
Given a rectangle defined by
-X <= x <= X and -Y <= y <= Y where X and Y are constant
and a parallelogram defined by
-C1 <= a*x + b*y <= C1 and -C2 <= c*x + d*y <= C2
where C1, C2, a, b, c, d are constants and b/a != d/c (i.e. not
parallel lines) ^^
not equal to
what is the area of their intersection?
What I'm after is some general algorithm suitable for ALL rectangles
and parallelograms that can be described by the above equations. At the
moment it looks like I'm going to have to look at all possible cases
and examine each seperately e.g.
1) rectangle encloses parallelogram.
2) parallelogram encloses rectangle.
3) two corners of parallelogram inside rectangle
^
/ \
/ \
/ \
Y ------------------------------- Y
| / \ |
| \ \ |
| \ . \ | . origin
| \ \ |
| \ / |
-Y ------------------------------- -Y
-X \ / X
\ /
\ /
"
4) two corners of parallelogram outside rectangle
I hope someone can help.
Many thanks in advance,
Dave Nettleton.
e-mail: D.J.Nettleton@durham.ac.uk
PS can you please cc me any replies by e-mail.
| 1comp.graphics |
09 Apr 93, Susan Harwood Kaczmarczik writes to All:
>> "We suspect that's because one party to the (environmental)
>> dispute thinks the Earth is sanctified. It's clear that much
>> of the environmentalist energy is derived from what has been
>> called the Religious Left, a SECULAR, or even PAGAN fanaticism
>> that now WORSHIPS such GODS as nature and gender with a
>> reverence formerly accorded real religions." (EMPHASIS MINE).
SHK> First of all, secular and pagan are not synonyms. Pagan, which is
SHK> derived from the latin paganus, means "of the country." It is, in
SHK> fact, a cognate with the Italian paisano, which means peasant.
SHK> Paganism, among other things, includes a reverence for the planet and
SHK> all life on the planet -- stemming from the belief that all life is
SHK> interconnected. So, rather than be something secular, it is something
SHK> very sacred.
I would go further, and say that much of the damage to the environment
has been caused by the secular worldview, or by the humanist
worldview, and especially by the secular humanist worldview.
This is not to say that ALL secular humanists are necessarily avid
destroyers of the environment, and I am sure that there are many who
are concerned about the environment. But at the time of the
Renaissance and Ref ormation in Western Europe man became the centre,
or the focus of culture (hence "humanism"). This consciousness was
also secular, in the sense that it was concerned primarily with the
present age, r ather than the age to come. Capitalism arose at the
same time, and the power of economics became central in philosophy.
This doesn't mean that economics did not exist before, simply that it
began to dominate the conscious cultural values of Western European
society and its offshoots. This cultural shift was, in its later
stages, accompanied by industrial revolutions and the values that
justified
them.
There was a fundamental cultural shift in the meaning of "economics" -
from the Christian view of man as the economos, the steward, of
creation to the secular idea of man as the slave of economic forces
and powers. There were denominational differences among the new
worshippers of Mammon. For some the name of the deity was "the free
rein of the market mechanism", while for others it was "the
dialectical forces of history". But in both the capitalist West and
the socialist East the environment was sacrificed on the altar of
Mammon. The situation was mitigated in the West because thos e who
were concerned about the damage to the environment had more freedom to
oppose what was happening and state their case.
Steve
--- GoldED 2.40
| 15soc.religion.christian |
In the next few months I am intending to build a 386 or 486 PC system
for remote monitoring. I would welcome any comments or advice you may
have on the choice of motherboard, HDDs and I/O boards. Recommendations
for good companies selling these would be a big help.
Many thanks,
Peter Green.
--
Peter R. Green ------- Tel:+44 61 200 4738 ---- Fax:+44 61 200 4019 -----------
JANET: prg@uk.ac.mcc.nessie INTERNET: prg%nessie.mcc.ac.uk
----------------------- #include <std.disclaimers> ----------------------------
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
In article <1r7ltt$g4t@agate.berkeley.edu> dzkriz@ocf.berkeley.edu (Dennis Kriz) writes:
[Argument that he is not an illiterate about health-care plans...]
How much choice does one have with (say) employer-offered
benefits?
>In anycase, fundamentalist Christians make up about 1/3 of the
>population. Add to that conservative Catholics, and that becomes
>1/2 of the population. That is a VERY LARGE market share of the
>health care business, far too large to ignor or run roughshod
>over simply questionable ideology.
_However_, a sizable fraction of _these_ are willing to get
abortions. One study found that at some places at least, 1/6 of the
women professed to be "Born Again". Furthermore, a large fraction of
Catholics use "artificial" birth control methods frowned on by the
Church. So this abortion-rejecting health-care market might be much
smaller than one would think.
But never underestimate the willingness of some professed
opponents of abortion to get them.
"If you are against abortion, DON'T HAVE ONE!"
goes one pro-choice slogan I once saw on someone's car (or was
it a pickup truck?). I had been following an old railroad line that is
to be used for a BART extension in South San Francisco, and I saw this
car with this bumper sticker along the way.
>As for someone suggesting that "no one would be upset if I were
>to give money to support women with crisis pregnancies, etc" But
>I have, having initiated and supported an ad in USC's student
>newspaper regarding a Catholic health clinic offering assistance
>to women in crisis pregnancies. I've also devoted my life to a
>consistent life ethic. I've been arrested as part of this, not
>at Operation Rescue protests (though I do have friends who have
>participated in them and may at some point participate in them
>too) but at protests sponsored by Pax Christi regarding nuclear
>weapons manufacture, both at the Nevada Test Site and the
>Lawrence Livermore Laboratory. What have you done folks?
Operation Rescue? Dennis Kriz, be aware of some of the company
you keep. I'm talking about seriously militaristic right-wingers who
would _love_ to execute those who provide and get abortions. Although there has
been only one such assassination so far, I wonder how many other
opponents of abortion would be willing to perform such assassinations
if they could get away with it.
--
/Loren Petrich, the Master Blaster
/lip@s1.gov
| 19talk.religion.misc |
In article <1993Apr15.235509.29818@julian.uwo.ca> wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes:
>
> I won't argue that the SCSI standard makes for a good, well implimented
> data highway, but I still want to know why it intrinsically better
> (than IDE, on an ISA bus) when it comes to multi-tasking OS's when
> managing data from a single SCSI hard drive.
I have been following this thread and figured I'd throw in my two cents...
The Amiga Zorro II bus is comparable with the ISA bus (7.16 vs 8.33 MHZ).
The Amiga has had a pre-emptative multi-tasking OS since '85 and can
operate with 1 MB RAM! SCSI is used almost exclusively on these systems.
A SCSI controller that transfers data by DMA allows the cpu to request data
from the hard drive and continue working while the controller gets the data
and moves it to memory. A controller that allows reselection can operate
even better with multiple devices. This is espically true with SCSI tape
units. For example, when rewinding or formatting a tape, the command is
issued to the controller and the bus is released to allow access to other
devices on the bus. This greatly increases productivity or, at least, do
something else while backing up your hard drive :-). Which happens to be
what I am doing while reading this group.
Its a long story, but I still use IDE on my 486 except for the CDROM which,
thanks to SCSI, I can move between both machines. If, and when, SCSI is
better standardized and supported on the ibm-clone machines, I plan to
completely get rid of IDE.
--
Wayne Summer // AMIGA - Simply the Best.
Palm Bay, FL. US \X/ wayne@amtower.spacecoast.org
Quote of the week: Don't hate microsoft because because they are microsoft,
though...hate them because their products are lame - Found in c.s.ibm.pc.misc
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
In article <1993Apr24.150653.8115@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> bqueiser@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Brian J Queiser) writes:
>Examples:
>
>Ferrari's 512TR is a flat 12 boxer.
>Porsche's 911 is a flat 6.
>Subaru's Impreza is a flat 4.
i think you got it the other way round: the Ferrari flat 12 is a 180
degree v12 and not a "true" boxer, while the subaru and porsche are
true boxers. don't know about the vw bug though, but i suspect that
it is also a true boxer.
eliot
| 7rec.autos |
In article <1993Apr19.234534.18368@kpc.com>, henrik@quayle.kpc.com writes:
> In article <C5qu5H.1IF@news.iastate.edu>, oyalcin@iastate.edu (Onur Yalcin)
writes:
> |>
> |> ..[cancellum]...
> |>
> |>
> |>
>
> Onur Yalcin] Secondly, the island of which the name is more correctly spelled
> Onur Yalcin] as Cyprus has never been Greek, but rather, it has been home to
> Onur Yalcin] a bi-communal society formed of Greeks and Turks. It seems that
> ^^^^^^^^^^^
> Onur Yalcin] you know as little about the history and the demography of the
> Onur Yalcin] island, as you know about the essence of Turkey's
> Onur Yalcin] military intervention to it under international agreements.
>
> bi-communal society ? Then why DID NOT Greece INVADE CYPRUS ?
Henrik (?),
Your ignorance manifests itself in an awkward form of intransigence. I'm not
going to spend time to review with you the recent history of Cyprus. If you are
really interested, I can provide you with a number of references on the issue.
Just send me EMail for that.
>
> Onur Yalcin] Be that as it may, an analogy between an act of occupation in
> Onur Yalcin] history and what is going on today on Azerbaijani land, can only
> Onur Yalcin] be drawn with the expansionist policy that Armenia is now
> pursuing.
>
> Buch of CRAP and you know it. Nagarno-Karabagh has ALWAYS been PART
> of ARMENIA and it was STALIN who GAVE IT to the AZERIS. Go back and
> review the HISTORY.
>
> The Armenians in Nagarno-Karabagh are simply DEFENDING their RIGHTS
> to keep their homeland and it is the AZERIS that are INVADING their
> teritory.
>
> Onur Yalcin] But, I could agree that it is not for us to issue diagnoses to
> Onur Yalcin] the political conduct of countries, and promulgate them in such
> Onur Yalcin] terminology as "itchy-bitchy"...
>
> I was not the one that STATED IT.
>
Relax! You're swinging fists into open air... I was *agreeing* with you,
assuming that would be one of your points that you did not state! You may
not be very much used to it, to be agreed with - that is, but take it more
easily. !:-)
> However, I hope that the Armenians WILL force a TURKISH airplane
> to LAND for purposes of SEARCHING for ARMS similar to the one
No, Henrik, believe me: You don't hope that.
> that happened last SUMMER. Turkey searched an AMERICAN plane
> (carrying humanitarian aid) bound to ARMENIA.
>
Was that after or before one French plane changed its route to avoid
inspection???
--
Onur Yalcin
oyalcin@iastate.edu
"Un punto in piu`"
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
In article <C5K5LC.CyF@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, lfoard@hopper.Virginia.EDU (Lawrence C. Foard) writes:
> In article <15378@optilink.com> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes:
# #From the Santa Rosa (Cal.) Press-Democrat, April 15, 1993, p. B2:
# #
# # Male sex survey: Gay activity low
# #
# # A new natonal study on male sexual behavior, the most thorough
# # examination of American men's sexual practices published since
# # the Kinsey report more than four decades ago, shows about 2
# # percent of the men surveyed had engaged in homosexual sex and
# # 1 percent considered themselves exclusively homosexual.
# #
# # The figures on homosexuality in the study released Wednesday
# # by the Alan Guttmacher Institute are significantly lower than
# # the 10 percent figure that has been part of the conventional
# # wisdom since it was published in the Kinsey report.
#
# 1) So what?
Homosexuals lie about the 10% number to hide the disproportionate
involvement of homosexuals in child molestation. They also lie
about "10%" to keep politicians scared.
# 2) It will be interesting to see the reaction when 2.5million queers
# gather in Washington DC. After all if there are only 6million of
# us then this is an event unprecidented in history...
But many of the people who will be marching aren't homosexuals, but
other members of the leftist agenda.
# #The article also contains numbers on the number of sexual partners.
# #The median number of sexual partners for all men 20-39 was 7.3.
#
# Don't forget that 25% had 20 or more partners....
Not surprising. Remember, that study includes homosexuals as well.
# #Compared to the table I have already posted from Masters, Johnson,
# #and Kolodny showing male homosexual partners, it is apparent that
# #homosexual men are dramatically more promiscuous than the general
# #male population.
#
# And what did this study show for number of sexual contacts for those
# who said they where homosexual? Or is that number to inconvient for
# you....
It wasn't published.
# #It's a shame that we don't have a breakdown for
# #straight men vs. gay/bi men -- that would show even more dramatically
# #how much more promiscuous gay/bi men are.
#
# Fuck off
Typical homoseuxal response.
--
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine!
Relations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all.
| 18talk.politics.misc |
For some time I've been thinking about the possiblity of starting a group
where scientific articles can be published (or perhaps just summaries).
Possible advantages would be:
* Free disribution
* Fast acceptance
* Online discussion between authers and readers
This would be possible with one group with a moderator for publishing the
articles and one perhaps without for discussion.
The best thing would be if all the articles would be in a standard format which
would make it possible to print or view the documents camera ready. Perhaps
Postscript or Rich Text Format?
But how do you start a new group? Anyone interrested?
Greeting from Ferrie
Electronics Research Laboratory
Delft University of Technology
Delft
Holland
| 12sci.electronics |
In article 16598@rz.uni-jena.de, hahm@fossi.hab-weimar.de (peter hahm) writes:
>
>
>RADIOSITY SOURCES WANTED !!!
>============================
>
>When I read the comp.graphics group, I never found something about
>radiosity. Is there anybody interested in out there? I would be glad
>to hear from somebody.
>I am looking for source-code for the radiosity-method. I have already
>read common literature, e. g.Foley ... . I think little examples could
>help me to understand how radiosity works. Common languages ( C, C++,
>Pascal) prefered.
>I hope you will help me!
>
>Yours
>Peter
>
Peter, there's a radiosity package ahead. The only problem is: there
are a few miles to sail ... ;-^
Let's be serious... I'm working on a radiosity package, written in C++.
I would like to make it public domain. I'll announce it in c.g. the minute
I finished it.
That were the good news. The bad news: It'll take another 2 months (at least)
to finish it.
In the meantime you may have a look at the file
Radiosity_code.tar.Z
located at
compute1.cc.ncsu.edu
(there are some other locations; have a look at archie to get the nearest)
Hope that'll help.
Yours
Stephan
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Stephan Amann SIG Computer Graphics, University of Berne, Switzerland
amann@iam.unibe.ch
Tel +41 31 65 46 79 Fax +41 31 65 39 65
Projects: Radiosity, Raytracing, Computer Graphics
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
| 1comp.graphics |
In article <1qkndq$k@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
#In article <1qjbn0$na4@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de>, frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes:
#|> In article <kmr4.1571.734847050@po.CWRU.edu> kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) writes:
#|> # You have only pushed back the undefined meaning. You must now define
#|> #what "objective values" are.
#|>
#|> Really? You don't know what objective value is? If I offered the people
#|> of the U.S., collectively, $1 for all of the land in America, would that
#|> sound like a good deal?
#
#You mean that if you can find a ridiculous price, the rest of
#us are supposed to conclude that an objectively correct price
#exists?
I said nothing about the price. I asked if the deal was good. It isn't.
#jon.
--
Frank O'Dwyer 'I'm not hatching That'
odwyer@sse.ie from "Hens", by Evelyn Conlon
| 19talk.religion.misc |
Sorry, Bill, I had to clear this up. There may be good evolutionary
arguments against homosexuality, but these don't qualify.
In article <C4vwn0.JF5@darkside.osrhe.uoknor.edu> bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner) writes:
>C.Wainwright (eczcaw@mips.nott.ac.uk) wrote:
[deletions]
>: |> It would seem odd if homosexuality had any evolutionary function
[deletions]
>: So *every* time a man has sex with a woman they intend to produce children?
>: Hmm...no wonder the world is overpopulated. Obviously you keep to the
>: Monty Python song: "Every sperm is sacred". And if, as *you* say, it has
>: a purpose as a means to limit population growth then it is, by your own
>: arguement, natural.
>
>Consider the context, I'm talking about an evolutionary function. One
>of the most basic requirements of evolution is that members of a
>species procreate, those who don't have no purpose in that context.
Oh? I guess all those social insects (e.g. ants, bees, etc.) which
have one breeding queen and a whole passel of sterile workers are on
the way out, huh?
>: These days is just ain't true! People can decide whether or not to have
>: children and when. Soon they will be able to choose it's sex &c (but that's
>: another arguement...) so it's more of a "lifestyle" decision. Again by
>: your arguement, since homosexuals can not (or choose not) to reproduce they
>: must be akin to people who decide to have sex but not children. Both are
>: as "unnatural" as each other.
>
>Yet another non-sequitur. Sex is an evolutionary function that exists
>for procreation, that it is also recreation is incidental. That
>homosexuals don't procreate means that sex is -only- recreation and
>nothing more; they serve no -evolutionary- purpose.
I refer you to the bonobos, a species of primate as closeley related to
humans as chimpanzees (that is, very closely). They have sex all the
time, homosexual as well as heterosexual. When the group finds food, they
have sex. Before the go to sleep at night, they have sex. After they
escape from or fight off prdators, they have sex. Sex serves a very important
social function above and beyond reproduction in this species. A species
closely related to humans. There is some indication that sex performs
a social function in humans, as well, but even if not, this shows that
such a function is not *impossible*.
Sincerely,
Ray Ingles ingles@engin.umich.edu
"The meek can *have* the Earth. The rest of us are going to the
stars!" - Robert A. Heinlein
| 0alt.atheism |
Does anyone have a schedule of Kol Israel broadcasts in different
languages that could be posted or e-mailed to me. Your
assistance would be greatly appreciated
GF
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes:
> What evidence indicates that Gamma Ray bursters are very far away?
>Given the enormous power, i was just wondering, what if they are
>quantum black holes or something like that fairly close by?
>Why would they have to be at galactic ranges?
Gamma Ray Bursts (GRBs) are seen coming equally from all directions.
However, given the number of bright ones, there are too few faint
ones to be consistent with being equally dense for as far
as we can see--it is as if they are all contained within
a finite sphere (or a sphere with fuzzy edges) with us at the
center. (These measurements are statistical, and you can
always hide a sufficiently small number of a different
type of GRB with a different origin in the data. I am assuming
that there is only one population of GRBs).
The data indicates that we are less than 10% of the radius of the center
of the distribution. The only things the Earth is at the exact center
of are the Solar system (at the scale of the Oort cloud of comets
way beyond Pluto) and the Universe. Cosmological theories, placing
GRBs throughout the Universe, require supernova-type energies to
be released over a timescale of milliseconds. Oort cloud models
tend to be silly, even by the standards of astrophysics.
If GRBs were Galactic (i.e. distributed through the Milky Way Galaxy)
you would expect them to be either concentrated in the plane of
the Galaxy (for a 'disk' population), or towards the Galactic center
(for a spherical 'halo' population). We don't see this, so if they
are Galactic, they must be in a halo at least 250,000 light years in
radius, and we would probably start to see GRBs from the Andromeda
Galaxy (assuming that it has a similar halo.) For comparison, the
Earth is 25,000 light-years from the center of the Galaxy.
>my own pet theory is that it's Flying saucers entering
>hyperspace :-)
The aren't concentrated in the known spacelanes, and we don't
see many coming from Zeta Reticuli and Tau Ceti.
>but the reason i am asking is that most everyone assumes that they
>are colliding nuetron stars or spinning black holes, i just wondered
>if any mechanism could exist and place them closer in.
There are more than 130 GRB different models in the refereed literature.
Right now, the theorists have a sort of unofficial moratorium
on new models until new observational evidence comes in.
--
David M. Palmer palmer@alumni.caltech.edu
palmer@tgrs.gsfc.nasa.gov
| 14sci.space |
cotera@woods.ulowell.edu writes:
>Once again, where's your proof? Suicide is considered a sin by Branch
>Davidians. Also, Koresh said over and over again that he was not going to
>commit suicide. Furthermore, all the cult experts said that he was not
>suicidal. David Thibedeau (sp?), one of the cult members, said that the fire
>was started when one of the tanks spraying the tear gas into the facilities
>knocked over a lantern.
In two places at once? Bit of a coincidence, that.
Whatever the faults the FBI had, the fact is that responsibility
for those deaths lies with Koresh.
P.
--
moorcockpratchettdenislearydelasoulu2iainmbanksneworderheathersbatmanpjorourke
clive p a u l m o l o n e y Come, let us retract the foreskin of misconception
james trinity college dublin and apply the wire brush of enlightenment - GeoffM
brownbladerunnersugarcubeselectronicblaylockpowersspikeleekatebushhamcornpizza
| 19talk.religion.misc |
In <1483500354@igc.apc.org>, cpr@igc.apc.org (Center for Political Reflux) wrote:
[pseudo-letterhead deleted -- dcs]
# While Israeli Jews fete the uprising of the Warsaw ghetto, they
# repress by violent means the uprising of the Gaza ghetto and
# attempt to starve the Gazans.
Why do I detect the faint scent of bias here? Could it be because
the Israelis aren't feasting? Perhaps because the Gazans aren't
starving?
# The Gaza strip, this tiny area of land with the highest population
# density in the world,
Oh, oh. I hadn't realized that the Chinese had wiped out Hong
Kong, or that Singapore had sunk into the sea, or that several
other cities had vanished. Either that, or this is a taste of
the quality of 'Research' we're about to see.
# has been cut off from the world for weeks.
So I suppose that the footage on CNN last night was archival,
and Ted Turner was faking it after the NBC style? Or is this
another wee little exaggeration for the sake of a Greater Truth?
# The Israeli occupier has decided to punish the whole population of
# Gaza, some 700.000 people, by denying them the right to leave the
# strip and seek work in Israel.
Hey! You forgot that Israel has also denied Syrians the same
'right'. Come to think of it, Mexico is denying me that 'right'
evan as I write this! Or are you ever so gently suggesting that
Israel, unlike every other country on Earth, shouldn't be allowed
to control traffic across its borders?
# While Polish non-Jews risked their lives to save Jews from the
# Ghetto, no Israeli Jew is known to have risked his life to help
# the Gazan resistance. The only help given to Gazans by Israeli
# Jews, only dozens of people, is humanitarian assistance.
This sounds like a parallel, but it isn't. Tell us how many Poles
went into the Ghetto to join the Jews there. Oops! For a moment
there I forgot that in Poland, 'humanitarian assistance" could
get you killed. Come to think of it, humanitarian assistance to
the Gazans can get Israelis killed, too. Except that in Gaza,
it's likely to be by a Gazan death squad in your own office.
So let's keep the parallel. Since the gross numbers aren't the
same, we'll need a proportionality value. Should we use:
* Gazan vs Jewish initial population?
* Gazan vs Jewish death rates?
* Gazans vs Jews who survived five years of occupation?
* Israelis vs Nazis attacked by the 'resistance'?
* Israelis vs Poles charged with aiding the victims?
Since the two cases are so comparable, it shouldn't matter
which we pick, they'll all be about the same, right?
------------
Contrary to popular hyperbole, the IDF *could* quite easily kill
off the entire population of Gaza in hours if they wanted to.
(No, I'm not exaggerating. And I really don't want to discuss how.)
Note that a million dead Gazans don't get much more headline
space than a dozen, and are just as soon forgotten -- and once
exterminated, they can't keep popping up as headlines.
So if a "Final Solution" for Gaza would be so much better from
a *Realpolitik* standpoint, why doesn't Israel go for it? A
difficult question to answer for those who can't believe anything
good about Jews, and probably why they keep trying to force-fit
the facts into the theory.
--- D. C. Sessions Speaking for myself ---
--- Note new network address: dcs@witsend.tnet.com ---
--- Author (and everything else!) of TMail (DOS mail/news shell) ---
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
We need following data for human aorta:
Tear and shear stress for aorta.
A plot of the aortic cross-sectional area.
Stroke-volume at the aortic root.
Approximate distribution of blood through the major arterial
branches of the aorta.
Flow velocity of blood in aorta.
We have various values for flow velocity, If you have any data remember to
give us the references too include in our report
--
Stud. Jakob Hilmer Fax: (+45) 45 93 34 34
Hus 7.1 Gr. 8a
Roskilde University, Denmark
Postbox 260
DK-4000 Roskilde
| 13sci.med |
***********************************************
PANASONIC PHONE WITH ANSWERING MACHINE
- LOOKS LIKE A BRAND NEW
- ALL BASIC ANSWERING MACHINE FUNCTION
- 8 PHONE NUMBER MEMORY + RECALL FUNCTION
- 1 YEAR OLD
ASKING FOR $45.00
Interest? Please call me at 206-720-1089
--- Alex Choe
*********************************************
| 6misc.forsale |
In article <C5srG2.Cpt@odin.corp.sgi.com> kubey@sgi.com (Ken Kubey) writes:
>I didn't say that pitcher's fear of throwing strikes to guys like
>McGwire, Bonds, and Frank Thomas was rational.
>I just said that it exists.
But why McGwire, and not Carter? I can see some justification for Bonds or
Thomas, because they tend to have higher batting averages, but the major
difference I see between McGwire and Carter is that Carter doesn't draw
walks. Why aren't pitchers afraid to throw strikes to Carter?
Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
In article <1qlbrlINN7rk@dns1.NMSU.Edu>, bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB) writes:
> In PC Magazine April 27, 1993:29 "Although SCSI is twice as fasst as ESDI,
> 20% faster than IDE, and support up to 7 devices its acceptance ...has
> long been stalled by incompatability problems and installation headaches."
> note what it does NOT site as a factor: PRICE.
There is a premium of approx $200 for the controller. What is nice is
being able to run hard disks, tape drives, cd-roms and scanners of
one dma channel and interupt!
SCSI makes sense is you are going to load up a machine, if you just want
a standard box for Windows then IDE makes sense.
I have one loaded box that uses SCSI and run Unix and one standard box
that runs DOS/Windows that uses IDE.
[ By standard I mean - 486, 4-8MB RAM, 200MH disk, S3 video ]
> int eh same article the PC would will get plug and play SCSI {from the
> article it seems you get plug and play SCSI-1 only since SCSI-2 in FULL
> implimentation has TEN NOT 7 devices.}
I beleive this last bit is just plain wrong!
> SCSI-1 intergration is sited as another part of the MicroSoft Plug and play
> program.
Guy
--
-- -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Guy Dawson - Hoskyns Group Plc.
guyd@hoskyns.co.uk Tel Hoskyns UK - 71 251 2128
guyd@austin.ibm.com Tel IBM Austin USA - 512 838 3377
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
vck0479@cs.rit.edu (Vidya C Kayar) writes:
>I am currently programming on Athena Toolkit. I am having problems
>creating a Text Widget. Any guidence or help will be greatly
>appreciated.
I assume that you are literally trying to create a widget of type
textWidgetClass. Use the AsciiText widget instead.
Jim
---
J.K.Wight@newcastle.ac.uk
Department of Computing Science, University of Newcastle, Tel: +44 91 222 8238
Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 7RU, United Kingdom. Fax: +44 91 222 8232
| 5comp.windows.x |
Will someone who can 'see' the X-Face included in this header please reply
and tell me if it turned out okay?
I'm not all too sure about my viewing software. I *hand*-converted this
thing in "vi" from a Sun rasterfile... what a pain!
For folks who haven't the slightest, it went like this:
-------------------------------------------------------------
How to Make Your Own X-Face:
in 0x000F Easy Steps!
1. Scan my Drivers' License into a *.PCX file.
2. Use WinGIF to 'trim' my face out of the license,
'reduce' it by half, and
convert it to *.BMP.
3. Use Paintbrush to touch up manually.
4. Use WinGIF to 'reduce' it by half again.
5. Use Paintbrush to touch up again.
6. Use WinGIF to 'reduce' it by half *again*
and convert it to *.GIF.
[now over to the UNIX side...]
7. Use Snapshot to convert the *.GIF to a Sun rasterfile.
8. Use IconEdit to touch it up and
convert it to an X bitmap.
9. Use "vi" (yes, a *text* editor) to manually convert
the rasterfile into the "Uncompressed X-Face" format.
(Lots of global "ed" commands, and by the time you're
done you'll mirror hex bytewise in your sleep!!)
[now over to the *Linux* side...]
A. Use "compface" to convert it to what you see here:
%:A<m@Dob}BO"'E",EEQGbn7qy(En7aS5U([k//"G{6^HIbY9X8~+PD($}6szF"&vVxCXSn
8mw^0G#nVHE%W,`X"[j0s{r.~%zs:O|HFU=LwzYgH
B. Try viewing it by whatever means you have available.
C. Go back to step 9, but do it *right* this time.
Rick Miller <rick@ee.uwm.edu> | <ricxjo@discus.mil.wi.us> Ricxjo Muelisto
Send a postcard, get one back! | Enposxtigu bildkarton kaj vi ricevos alion!
RICK MILLER // 16203 WOODS // MUSKEGO, WIS. 53150 // USA
| 5comp.windows.x |
In article <1993Apr5.042450.2071@cbnewse.cb.att.com>, doctor1@cbnewse.cb.att.com (patrick.b.hailey) writes:
> In article <SLAGLE.93Mar29232337@sgi417.msd.lmsc.lockheed.com> slagle@lmsc.lockheed.com writes:
>>In article <xw1twyl@dixie.com>, jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond) writes:
>>> No, actually I'm a lot more familiar with the libbers than I
>>> care to be. I'm a bit hesitant to continue this thread because
>>> it brings back horrible memories of my first encounter with the
>>> libbers in the LaRouche branch. I made the mistake of buying a
>>Any connection between Lyndon LaRouche and the Libertarian Party
>>is a pure product of your own fertile imagination.
> Naw, perhaps he reads Time magazine.
It's a fair stretch of anyone's imagination to expect them to
attach any credibility to anything written in Time magazine in
the past twenty years, I'd imagine. The Enquirer at least gets
the names attached to the right body parts.
=Mark
--
----
Mark E. Slagle PO Box 61059
slagle@lmsc.lockheed.com Sunnyvale, CA 94088
408-756-0895 USA
| 16talk.politics.guns |
CBD>From: Christopher Bradley Devlin <cd1i+@andrew.cmu.edu>
CBD>>but it's nothing compared to the (ahem) unique helmet
CBD>>design seen in the new Animated Series: it has a huge opening for his
CBD>>mouth, topped by the world's tiniest eyeslits above the enormous mouth
CBD>>opening. Batman's helmet probably cuts you down to about 12 degrees of
CBD>>unrestricted vision. With a helmet like this, he might just be better
CBD>>off with the leather cap/mask thingy.
CBD>C'mon, Batman doesn't need to SEE. He's Batman.
CBD>Did you notice he only takes the bike out in the snow or rain?
So let's see what we have on the Batdude so far: He has a weird helmet.
He drags his knee in corners (thanks, Cookson, but how does he do it?
Hidden Bat-pucks?), and he only takes the bike out in the snow or rain.
Also, he lets Robin ride! I think I could have used a Bat-mom. Would
have made getting my license a lot easier!
There's a trend here: Stylish helmet, Stylish knee-dragging, rides only
in Stylish cartoon precipitation. Hmm . . . Could it be that we're
dealing with a veritable airborne mammalian poseur? Dare I say it, a
BAT-SQUID?? (huh? Bat-Squid?) It all adds up now . . .
Let's make the B-man an honorary DoD DuDe. All he needs is a DoD
sticker.
Actually, anyone have an address for Batman's current artists, both
comic book and animated series? We'll write and ask if Batman would like
to become an honorary Denizen! Yeah!
Special To The KoTL: Is there a precedent for inducting an imaginary
member with an imaginary motorcycle? Having seen the computers in the
Bat-Cave, I think we can safely assume that he also has imaginary
Internet access.
Ryan Cousinetc.|1982 Yamaha Vision XZ550 -Black Pig of Inverness|Live to Ride
KotRB |1958 AJS 500 C/S -King Rat |to Work to
DoD# 0863 |I'd be a squid if I could afford the bike... |Flame to
ryan.cousineau@compdyn.questor.org | Vancouver, BC, Canada |Live . . .
* SLMR 2.1a * My (virtual) reality check just bounced.
----
+===============================================================+
|COMPUTER DYNAMICS BBS 604-255-9937(HST) 604-986-9937(V32)|
|Vancouver, BC, Canada - Easy Access, Low Rates, Friendly Sysop|
+===============================================================+
| 8rec.motorcycles |
In article <andrei.735406817@namao> andrei@namao.uucp (Andrei Chichak)
writes:
> Back when I was building round tail light 2002s they were Bimmers. It
was
> only when the (red suspendered, Reganomics generated, quiche eating)
Yuppies
> got into the market >-( that they became Beamers and the hood ornaments
started
> disappering.
>
Yep, that's when I noticed it too. I stopped replacing the hood badge
after the second or third one (at $12.00 each).
2002 drivers used to flash their headlight at each other in greeting. Try
flashing your headlights at a 318i driver and see what kind of look you
get. They usually check their radar detector...they think you're alerting
them to a cop.
Mark
| 7rec.autos |
bissda@saturn.wwc.edu (DAN LAWRENCE BISSELL) writes:
> First I want to start right out and say that I'm a Christian. It
>makes sense to be one. Have any of you read Tony Campollo's book- liar,
>lunatic, or the real thing? (I might be a little off on the title, but he
>writes the book. Anyway he was part of an effort to destroy Christianity,
>in the process he became a Christian himself.
I assume you are posting to encourage comments - how much history has
Tony Campello read? Not much it seems.
> The arguements he uses I am summing up. The book is about whether
>Jesus was God or not. I know many of you don't believe, but listen to a
>different perspective for we all have something to gain by listening to what
>others have to say.
It is good to hear that there are a few reasonable Christians about.
If only those christian "scientists" would take note.
(In Australia there is a very strong movement, a bunch of christian
scientists who believe that every single event in the bible is exactly
true, and that there is a rational explanation for it all that can be justified
by using the laws of physics. For example, there are a few chaps who are
trying to prove that the age of the universe is 6000 years old, and that the
error in conventional calculations is the result of the fact that the speed
light has been rapidly decaying over the years, and this has not been
accounted for. :-] )
> The book says that Jesus was either a liar, or he was crazy ( a
>modern day Koresh) or he was actually who he said he was.
Or (of course), that he never existed, and the bible was a story, and was never
intended to become a manifesto for a billion people. Did Tony follow that one
up?
> Some reasons why he wouldn't be a liar are as follows. Who would
>die for a lie? Wouldn't people be able to tell if he was a liar? People
>gathered around him and kept doing it, many gathered from hearing or seeing
>someone who was or had been healed.
Millions of people have "died for a lie". This point is difficult to
substantiate since it is not well defined (a great many religious arguments
work in that way), but consider the many Aztec warriors who sacrificed
themselves to their gods in the belief that this act would bring them victory
of the Spanish invaders. The list is endless. The Aztecs lost, BTW.
>Call me a fool, but I believe he did heal people.
That is perfectly reasonable, but it is not grounds for me (or anyone)
to become a christian. More to the point, it does not add weight to
the claim that Jesus was the "real thing".
> Niether was he a lunatic. Would more than an entire nation be drawn
>to someone who was crazy. Very doubtful, in fact rediculous. For example
>anyone who is drawn to David Koresh is obviously a fool, logical people see
>this right away.
Have you ever seen a documentary about the rise of Nazi Germany? More to the
point, did Tony mention this? One could hardly call Werner Heisenberg and his
many colleagues fools, or illogical men, their support of Hitler was based
(I presume) upon an emotional issue rather than a rational agreement with
his principles. Obviously my argument is invalid if Tony thought that Hitler
was sane....
> Therefore since he wasn't a liar or a lunatic, he must have been the
>real thing.
Hmmm.... I don't think his arguments warrant the use of a "Therefore..."
> Some other things to note. He fulfilled loads of prophecies in
>the psalms, Isaiah and elsewhere in 24 hrs alone. This in his betrayal
>and Crucifixion. I don't have my Bible with me at this moment, next time I
>write I will use it.
This is (unfortunately) what alot of religious discussions I have had with
people result in - quoting the bible. The only reasonable way I think
people can look at the bible is to treat the stories as some sort of
metaphorical representation of the messages that the authors were trying to
present. If someone tries to interpret parts of the bible literally, he or
she will end up in all sorts of shit.
Tony's argument would be perfectly reasonable for people who believe
the events described in the bible took place, but to convince someone,
who thinks the bible is total fiction, that Jesus is real by quoting the
book is totally pointless. For example, in mathematics you cannot say "a is
equal to b because a is equal to b".
> I don't think most people understand what a Christian is.
That would possibly explain why there have so many people being killed
in religious wars, and why there are hundreds of different versions all
claiming to be correct.
It
>is certainly not what I see a lot in churches. Rather I think it
>should be a way of life, and a total sacrafice of everything for God's
>sake. He loved us enough to die and save us so we should do the
>same. Hey we can't do it, God himself inspires us to turn our lives
>over to him. That's tuff and most people don't want to do it, to be a
>real Christian would be something for the strong to persevere at. But
>just like weight lifting or guitar playing, drums, whatever it takes
>time. We don't rush it in one day, Christianity is your whole life.
>It is not going to church once a week, or helping poor people once in
>a while. We box everything into time units. Such as work at this
>time, sports, Tv, social life. God is above these boxes and should be
>carried with us into all these boxes that we have created for
>ourselves.
I think if you posted this part to alt.religion you would get more flames
than here :-). I have never really understood why the emotional sentiments
of a stranger should be of interest to other people.
Someone famous said that there two evils in life, polititians and churchs, one
rules by fear of the living, the other by fear of the dead. If I am pressed I
could probably find the exact quotation.
Cheers,
Charles.
| 0alt.atheism |
m23364@mwunix.mitre.org (James Meritt) writes:
>joslin@pogo.isp.pitt.edu (David Joslin) writes:
>}m23364@mwunix.mitre.org (James Meritt) writes:
>}>}(a) out of context;
>}>Must have missed when you said this about these other "promises of god" that we keep
>}>getting subjected to. Could you please explain why I am wrong and they are OK?
>}>Or an acknowledgement of public hypocrisy. Both or neither.
>}
>}So, according to you, Jim, the only way to criticize one person for
>}taking a quote out of context, without being a hypocrite, is to post a
>}response to *every* person on t.r.m who takes a quote out of context?
>
>Did I either ask or assert that? Or is this your misaimed telepathy at work again?
(1) Stephen said you took a quote out of context
(2) You noted that Stephen had not replied to some other t.r.m article
(call it A) that took a quote out of context
(3) But the lack of evidence for X does not constitute evidence for the
lack of X (a common creationist error)
(4) So the fact that Stephen did not reply to A does not justify the
conclusion that Stephen condoned taking quotes out of context in A
(5) You asked Stephen to explain why you were wrong and they were OK,
or to acknowledge that he was being a hypocrite.
(6) Both of the choices you give Stephen assume that he condoned
taking quotes out of context in A.
(7) I assumed you were being logical, and that the sentence that begins
"Could you please explain ..." was not a nonsequitur, but was intended
to follow from the sentence that preceded it.
(8) Therefore, I concluded that you believed that (2) implied that Stephen
condoned taking quotes out of context in A
(9) But we've already seen that (2) does not imply this
(10) Therefore, you were incorrect to believe that (2) implied that Stephen
thought it was okay to take quotes out of context in A, and were
making an error of a kind that is frequently made by creationists.
Is that better Jim? It's called an argument. If you disagree with it,
explain why the argument is not sound. (I admit that my assumption in (7)
may have been a bit hasty.) If you agree with it, just say "yup."
dj
"Yup." -- Jim's e-mailed response when I pointed out, in a posted article,
that one of his arguments was a straw man argument, reminiscent of a
frequent creationist ploy. (3/22/93)
| 19talk.religion.misc |
In article <1t5bph$dtr@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aa824@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman) writes:
>
> And, if you are Jewish, you are a self-hating Jew. There can
> be no doubt of this.
There are doubts about it. Why don't you define what self-hating Jew means?
I found the idea itself of being a self-hating Jew to be one of those
rediculous things that people repeat and repeat because it seems to have a
meaning when in fact it has none.
I hope you can come up with a definition in itself and not something like:
look at this person, that is a self-hating Jew.
>
> * * * *
>
> "Who is a Jew? A person whose integrity decays when unmoved
> by the knowledge of wrong done to other people."
>
> A. J. Heschel
>
That is why I get moved when I see the Israeli Army killing people in
the Occupied Territories as much as I get moved when I see a Plestinian
stabing people in Israel.
AAP
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
David Sternlight (strnlght@netcom.com) wrote:
: In article <1993Apr22.170418.15799@news.eng.convex.com> gardner@convex.com
: (Steve Gardner) writes:
...cascades elided to preserve our sanity....
: That wasn't my point. My point is that your implied position about the "Waco
: Massacre" is an assertion cum political position. According to a CNN poll,
....
: What you call the "Big Brother Chip" is right now a proposal under
: discussion, and it is not yet clear that strong crypto is going to be
: banned.
Just to set the record straight, Steve Gardner was not the author of
the bit you quoted--I was. Steve just took issue with David's
characterization of my words as "pernicious nonsense."
I won't further comment on my own views...folks either support 'em or
they don't, and the lines in question were neither central to the
points I was making in my original post nor to the important debate
here in sci.crypt and elsewhere.
-Tim May, who continues to hold the same views but doesn't feel like
debating politics
--
..........................................................................
Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money,
tcmay@netcom.com | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero
408-688-5409 | knowledge, reputations, information markets,
W.A.S.T.E.: Aptos, CA | black markets, collapse of governments.
Higher Power: 2^756839 | Public Key: PGP and MailSafe available.
| 11sci.crypt |
Hi! Everyone,
Since some people quickly solved the problem of determining a sphere from
4 points, I suddenly recalled a problem which is how to find the ellipse
from its offset. For example, given 5 points on the offset, can you find
the original ellipse analytically?
I spent two months solving this problem by using analytical method last year,
but I failed. Under the pressure, I had to use other method - nonlinear
programming technique to deal with this problem approximately.
Any ideas will be greatly appreciated. Please post here, let the others
share our interests.
Yeh
USC
| 1comp.graphics |
Ok. My Aykut., what about the busload of Greek turists that was
torched, and all the the people in the buis died. Happened oh, about 5
years ago in Instanbul.
What about the Greeks in the islands of Imbros and tenedos, they
are not allowed to have churches any more, instead momama turkey has
turned the church into a warehouse, I got a picture too.
What about the pontian Greeks of Trapezounta and Sampsounta,
what you now call Trabzon and Sampson, they spoke a 2 thousand year alod
language, are there any left that still speek or were they Islamicised?
Before we start another flamefest , and before you start quoting
Argic all over again, or was it somebody else?, please think. I know it
is a hard thing to do for somebody not equipped , but try nevertheless.
If Turks in Greece were so badly mistreated how come they
elected two,m not one but two, representatives in the Greek government?
How come they have free(absolutely free) hospitalization and education?
Do the Turks in Turkey have so much?If they do then you have every right
to shout, untill then you can also move to Greece and enjoy those
privileges. But I forget , for you do study in a foreign university,
some poor shod is tiling the earth with his own sweat.
BTW is Aziz Nessin still writing poetry? I'd like to read some
of his new stuff. Also who was the guy that wrote "On the mountains of
Tayros." ? please respond kindly to the last two questions, I am
interested in finding more books from these two people.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Yeian kai Eytyxeian | The opinions expressed above are nobody else's but
Angelos Karageorgiou | mine,MINE,MIIINNE,MIIINNEEEE,aaaarrgghhhh..(*&#$$*((+_$%
Live long & Prosper | NO CARRIER
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> Any and all mail sent to me , can and will be used in any manner <
> whatsoever. I may repost or publicise parts of messages or whole <
> messages. If you disagree, please exercise your freedom of speech <
> and don't send me anything. <
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
In article <Apr.10.05.32.15.1993.14385@athos.rutgers.edu>,
dleonar@andy.bgsu.edu (Pixie) wrote:
>
> In article <Apr.7.01.55.50.1993.22771@athos.rutgers.edu>,
> vbv@r2d2.eeap.cwru.edu (Virgilio (Dean) B. Velasco Jr.) wrote:
>
> >
> > "We affirm the absolutes of Scripture, not because we are arrogant
> > moralists, but because we believe in God who is truth, who has revealed His
> > truth in His Word, and therefore we hold as precious the strategic importance
> > of those absolutes."
>
>
> Pardon me, a humble atheist, but exactly what is the difference
> between holding a revealed truth with blind faith as its basis (i.e.
> regardless of any evidence that you may find to the contrary) as an
> absolute truth, fully expecting people to believe you and arrogance?
If you would bother to check in any good dictioanry or thesaurus, I think
you will find that "arrogance" has to do with an offensive exhibition of
presumed or real superiority (a paraphrase from my own Webster's).
Arrognace is about pride and haughtiness. A person can believe in absolute
truth, even blindly (whatever that means) without being obnoxious about it.
Just as a person can be a "humble," authority-questioning,
defying-any-theist-to-reply athiest and be quite arrogant. Arrogance is not
about what you believe, it is about how you relate to what you believe and
how you present it to others. If your overwhelming experience of Christians
has been that they are arrogant, I apologozing both for myself and on the
behalf of those who have offfended you. But my own experience, at least in
forums like Usenet where you see a good mix of people, is that arrogant
Christians and athiests seems to occur in about equal numbers.
- Phil -
Hey, we're talking about the PHONE COMPANY, here. The Phone Company doesn't
have opinions on this kind of stuff. This is all me.
| 15soc.religion.christian |
In article <C63p9q.205@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU> grogers@ravel.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Greg Rogers) writes:
>>> MKR@stud.hsn.no (MORTEN KRISTIANSEN) writes:
>>>
>>>Read this all you Canucks fan out there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>Winnipeg are going to kick Vancouvers butts so badly they are not going to
>>>be able to sit down for weeks.
>>>And no this is NOT a joke.
>>>A prediction before the fourth game in Winnipeg:
>>>
>>>Winnipeg 6 Vancouver 2 (2-0,1-2,3-0)
>>>Selanne, Steen score a couple of goals each!!!
>>>
>>>Winnipeg to win Stanley cup playoffs.>>
>>
>>
>>To all you Jets Fanatics...Ha ha ha.
>>To normal Jets Fans...It was a pretty good fourth game. More physical
>>play than I've seen in the first three games.>
>>
>>These moronic posts that have continued throughout the year about how
>>the Jets will cremeate the Canucks and Selanne will smash Bure into the
>>boards is so full of *%it. Why don't you take a cue fromm Daryl and just
>>wait 'till its over before you make more of a fool of yourself???>
>>
>>I'm not going to predict anything about the Canucks. They are up 3-1 and
>>are coming back home, but I'm not going swing any *%it around until the
>>series is wrapped up.
>>
>>Tony
>
>Bravo Tony,
>
>I too am sick of all the mindless, fanatical, blind faith Jets fans who could
>prpbably predict the end of the world more accurately than the coutcome of a
>playoff series.
>
>Now I will admit that I am a mindless, fanatica, blind faith Canucks fan.
>But unlike those from Winterpeg, I do not need to vent my spleen upon the
>world as to how great my team is. I know, I have confidence in them, and
>that's enough.
>
>Granted, the Jets finished the season hot, and the Canucks were having trouble,
>but Vancouver has built themselves a reputation for being a playoff team.
>Just ask any Flames fan. They may not win every series, but they alway fight
>to the end. I'll admit that last year was not great, but if they combine
>the work ethic of the past with the new tallent of the present, they will
>be tough to beat (note: I did not say they would pummel every team they meet
>and destroy the greatest player playing today).
>
>Now, like any Canucks fan, I would love to see them take the cup. I feel
>they have a good chance to make it out of the Smythe, and a 50-50 shot at
>Detroit (I can't see them losing to St. Louis). If Pittsburgh makes it to
>the cup, I'd have to put my money on them (Yes even if they're facing the
>Canucks). If Buffalo, Montreal, or Quebec beat Pittsburgh, I'd choose the
>winner of Vancuover and Detroit to take the cup.
>
>Oh, and one parting note for the Jets fans: Just how many times has
>Winnepeg made it to the finals? 8')
>
>Go Canucks
>
>Greg
>
Devorski unfortunately helped to taint an otherwise brilliant display
by MacLean. The Canucks tied up the Jets so tightly that I thought that
they were mailing them.
BTW, Greg...next time, don't fall asleep in geography class, it's pretty
sad when a fellow in Norway can spell Winnipeg properly and a guy in
North America can't.
One more thing...how LONG has Vancouver been in the NHL? How many
championships do they have?
Oh yeah...and I CAN go to the Arena and see not one, not two, but
*six* championship banners hanging from the rafters. 3 Stanley Cup
banners, and 3 Avco Cup banners. My NHL guide says that Vancouver has
won the Cup once (as many times as the rockin' town of Kenora has won it!)
Daryl Turner : r.s.h contact for the Winnipeg Jets
Internet: umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca
FidoNET: 1:348/701 -or- 1:348/4 (please route through 348/700)
Tkachuk over to Zhamnov, up to Sel{nne, he shoots, he scores!
The Jets win the Cup! The Jets win the Cup!
Essensa for Vezina! Housley for Norris! Sel{nne for Calder!
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
In article <1993May10.211316.28455@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> adams@bellini.berkeley.edu (Adam L. Schwartz) writes:
>In article <1smbma$8mr@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas) writes:
>>3) If I decided to go back to the land from which my relatives had been
>>expelled 2000 years ago, but first I convert to any other religion, can I
>>apply to the law of Return as a member of the Jewish Nation or should I
>>apply as someone whose mother is Jewish?
>
>I'm not sure about this but I hope the answer is that you can't apply under
>the law of return. By conversion, you've elected not to be a part of the
>Jewish nation.
>
Which was my point. By converting to another religion I do not loose
my cultural identity, I just loose my religious identification.
I consider that defining the belonging to a nation that claims the
right to have a State based on religious belief is a form of racism.
>
>>5) What has change in me between the day before and the day after I converted
>>to loose my being part of the Jewish Nation?
>
>At the moment you converted, you officially anounced to the world that *you* do not
>consider yourself to be part of the Jewish Nation. So, why should the Jewish Nation
>consider you to be a member?
To be a part or not of the Jeish Nation is defined by my culture and not
by my religion. Actually, if I am an atheist, which is in fact like
converting into a non-Jewish in terms of religion, I am still considered as
part of the Jewish Nation.
I can be proud of my Jewish culture while not giving any importance to the
Jewish religion. Or, even more, I can be proud of my Jewish culture while
still be convinced that the real god is another one.
I do not know anyone who lost his memebership to the American nation
because he changed of god.
>
>
>>Suppose my father is Arab. Suppose he was born in Palestine, in some place
>>which now is part of Israel. Suppose that his father, and his grandfather as
>>well as 20 or 30 generations before him were born in that place.
>>Now suppose there is a war of independence and my father, scared by all the
>>fighting going on, tries to take his family to a place more secure, among
>>people he knows, who speak a language he understands, who worship the same
>>god. Now, suppose that that place is some other Arab country.
>>And, now suppose that the war is over and that there is a new country created
>>where my father used to live, and that that country is called Israel.
>>And, that in that country, Jews from all over the world are received. And
>>that people whose family left thet country 200 generation ago are recieved and
>>granted full-citizenship.
>>Should I, if I decided to go back to my father's land, where he was born as
>>20 or 30 generations of my family were born, have the right to go back and
>>ask to be recognized in the same way those who are returning after 2000
>>years?
>
>No. As a result of wars brought by the Arabs against the Jews in an attempt to
>annihilate Israel, the Arabs have lost their claim to land there. Attacking Israel
>is/was illegal and they now have to pay the price. Do I feel sorry for the
>Palestinians? Yes I do. But I blame the Arab nations for their problems, not
>Israel.
I still believe that we should never confusse the actions of States with
the individuals who happen to live there.
In the same way that I do not think it is right to blame all Israelis for the
human rights violations of Israel, I do not think that we should assume
that all Arabs are guilty of the actions of the Arab States.
Some people fled their homes because they were scared. Now they are in
there, still suffering for what they are not responsible.
And, remember that we also were told the same at some point. We ended in
the diaspora. And, of course, I am not for doing to others what I did not
want done to me.
>
>
>-Adam Schwartz
>adams@robotics.berkeley.edu
Alberto A. Pinkas
aap@wam.umd.edu
ap31@umail.umd.edu
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
In article <1qevbh$h7v@agate.berkeley.edu>, dzkriz@ocf.berkeley.edu (Dennis Kriz) writes:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm going to try to do something here, that perhaps many would
> not have thought even possible. I want to begin the process of
> initiating a literary critical study of the pornography posted on
> alt.sex.stories, to identify the major themes and motifs present
> in the stories posted there -- opening up then the possibility of
> an objective moral evaluation of the material present there.
First off, let me congratulate you for not posting a flame about "You sick
perverts, you are immoral, you are all going to hell.", which seems to be the
usual "religious" post found on the alt.sex.* hierarchy. Hopefully, you won't
get flamed, either.
You will, however, be argued with. I personally think that your project is
built on unsteady ground.
First, I do not believe that there is any way to find an "objective morality".
Morality and value are inherently subjective - they represent the beliefs of a
person or a group of people. They can be widely held, perhaps even
overwhelmingly held, but they are never and _can_ never be objective.
> Assumptions:
>
> (1) A Christian bedrock assumption that all that is True, comes
> Truly from God.
>
> (2) Regarding alt.sex.stories. While perhaps even from an
> objective standpoint, the majority of its material is indeed
> repugnant (you come to this conclusion quite quickly when you
> start thinking about analyzing its material like this), some of
> it reflects some fairly profound needs in people as well as some
> truths -- and deserve to be pointed out.
Second, I do not accept the assumptions that you make here. If, as you say,
you are trying to be objective, then why accept a morality to begin with by
using the Christian Bible? You're defeating your own purpose by doing so.
> In the long run, the advantage of making such a literary/moral
> analysis is that it will save band-width between Christians and
> non mutually flaming each other about the moral acceptability of
> the stuff on these (pornographic) groups.
Third, call me a pessimist, but you won't stop the flamage. There will always
be people who pop upin alt.sex.* to tell us how sick and twisted and evil we
all are. Just out of curiosity, do alt.sex readers show up unprovoked in the
religion groups to tell you all that you are narrow-minded, censoring,
overbearing totalitarianists?
> Basically, there should not be a dissonance between a "Christian"
> morality and a "non-Christian" one. Either there is value in a
> particular work, or there is not whether one is a Christian or
> not.
Hm. Let me provide an example. Four people get together over dinner, to
discuss morality: you, me, a rather conservative Moslem, and a sociopath. I
start off by saying that I think it's immoral to force people to have sex with
you. You agree, but also say that it is immoral to have sex with someone of
your own gender. (Just a note: I really don't know your views on
homosexuality, I am just using this as a common view of morality for the
purposes of this example.) The Moslem says that it is immoral for women to
have their faces uncovered.
The sociopath, who has become bored, kills all three of us and eats us, but
feels no guilt because he has done nothing wrong morally in his own mind.
> In support for the first assumption:
>
> The Christian scriptures say this:
(Evidence deleted)
I'm not going to accept your evidence for this. You ask us to accept "The Word
of God" that everything good comes from God. This is only a valid argument for
a person who shares your beliefs.
Still, I must say that cataloging the major themes and motifs in erotica could
be interesting for other reasons than yours, so good luck with this next part.
>
> **************************************
>
> NOW THEN what are some of the major themes/motifs in the
> pornographic literature on places like alt.sex.stories? These
> are some that I've been able to identify. Please add/comment on
> them.
>
>
> Motif #1 -- THE MALE-CINDERELLA.
>
> In so many of the stories there is expressed a feeling of
> alienation and worthlessness on the part of the writer or
> otherwise protagonist of the story with regard to the object (the
> other person) of his/her desire. Often a story involves a
> protagonist who (on the surface) is quite average (but underneath
> usually has an enormous dick), who desires to in some way to gain
> access (in a definitely sexual way) to the other person who
> he/she confesses is far more desireable than he/she is and who
> indeed seems "to walk between the rain-drops."
Hmmm...do I detect just a wee bit of condescence here?
>
> Motif #2 -- A CELEBRATION OF (INDEED PREOCCUPATION WITH) BEAUTY.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
not very objective.
> The vast majority of pornographic literature deals with beauty,
> be it innocence (somehow about to be lost), grace, or simply
> physical beauty. And generally, most people Christian or non
> will say that beauty is good.
One could construe this to mean that beautiful people are better, or "more
good" than non-beautiful people. I would hope that people relize that this is
not necessarily true.
>
> Motif #3 -- ONE'S DICK IS ONE'S INSTRUMENT OF REDEMPTION.
^^^^
Might I suggest the word "penis"? It seems more in line with the tone of
your post.
> Blessed are those who are well-hung, for they shall get
> laid. -- from what would thus be a revised Matthew 5 :-).
>
Bravo! I respect you and your sense of humor, sir.
>
> Motif #4 -- SEX AS AN EXPRESSION OF SINCERE GIVING.
>
> There is, often enough, a clear desire on the part of the
> protagonist, to give (definitely sexual) pleasure to the object
> (person) of his/her desires.
Yes, and this theme is usually what the better stories are about. However,
they are not always selfish - I could point to examples in the work of Elf
Sternberg, for example.
>
> Motif #5 -- ALT.SEX.STORIES DESCRIBES A SEX WHICH IS COMPLETELY
> REMOVED FROM THE REALM OF "TRANSMITTING LIFE"
>
> So removed is sex from its procreative dimension on
> alt.sex.stories, that one begins to wonder why sex even involves
> ejaculation, as in the context described in pornography it serves
> then no real purpose.
It serves the same purpose as it does in pornographic movies: it affirms the
virility of the male involved, as well as assuring the reader that he (the
character) has orgasmed.
> The Whole Picture [TM] is probably very well described by the
> Catholic teaching on this: Of the husband and wife, in an act of
> total mutual self-giving in the sexual union, cooperating with
> God in opening themselves up for the transmission of new life
> (cf. Humane Vitae).
Your Whole Picture [TM] unfortunately only applies to people who accept your
church.
In addition, if sex is for procreation, then
1) Why did God make it pleasurable, so that people would want to do it,
rather than building it in as instinct?
2) Why did God make it fallible? Not every sexual encounter results in
pregnancy, even among Catholics. Does this mean that they have sinned?
> In any case alt.sex.stories and the Catholic teaching will
> probably not see eye to eye on this for a long time.
Granted.
>
> Motif #6 -- SEX USED AS AN INSTRUMENT VIOLENCE, POWER AND
> HUMILIATION.
>
> Why pornography seems to tend in that direction, I really do not
> know. Probably volumes could be written on the relationships
> between sex and power/humiliation. But this probably gives good
> reason why traditionally Judeo-Christianity has been so negative
> with regard to sexuality -- it seems to tend to a great moral
> morass.
Pornography would not tend in those directions if there were not a demand for
it. Many people have violent fantasies that they would never act out in real
life, but will think about and read about and mull over.
Later,
Jeff
--
JeffJ@yang.earlham.edu - Official generic .sig. Under 4 lines, under 80
columns, no Amiga checks, no witty quotes, no maps of Australia, no asterisks,
no ASCII art, no disclaimers or anti-flame requests, and one spelling errer.
| 19talk.religion.misc |
I just moved from Borland C++ 3.0 to Visual C++ today. When I tried
to compile my C++ program, it complained a function prototype problem.
It turned out that the typedef WORD in MS C++ is a BYTE, not unsigned int.
Could anyone shine some light on this subject ? Why a WORD is a BYTE ?
-Ming T. Lin
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
mlin@ichips.intel.com
(503) 696-4806
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
In article <1993Apr11.120848.493@wnbbs.nbg.sub.org> (comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,alt.msdos.programmer,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,uw.pc.general,uw.pc.ibm,misc.forsale.computers.d,comp.dcom.modems,), oli@wnbbs.nbg.sub.org (Oliver Duesel) writes:
] Hi there,
]
] yuri@windy.Berkeley.EDU (Yuri Yulaev) writes:
]
] : I have 1s/1p/1g I/O card in my 386/40 PC.
] : When I plug in wang modem at com4,it works. If I change
] : it to com1- it doesn't.
] : Program "chkport" gives diagnostics like "possible com /irq
] : conflict at com1" (with mouse driver in memory).
]
] Since your IO-card only has one serial port - this should default to COM1 ?
] Under MS-DOS, you can't share IRQ's - so you'll have to set either your modem
] or your mouse to COM2 ... using different adresses and IRQ's.
] When you set two 'devices' onto the same IRQ - like COM1 and COM3 (or 2 and 4)
] - the 'latter' one will always win, i.e. if you have your mouse on COM1 and
] start using your modem on COM3, your modem should work - but your mouse will
] stop doing so, until reboot.
]
] It should be no problem, setting your modem to COM2 ? (you didn't write
] anything about other peripherals ...)
]
] I hope, it helped a bit .... By(t)e, Oli.
]
]
Hi,
I'm kind of new at the pc stuff. My machine has 4 serial ports. Com 1 and3
and 2 &4 share same IRQs. You mean I can't plug a mouse into Com1 and a modem
into com3 and expect both to work?
If Answer is NO, should I change IRQ's for com ports to be different? And,
does it really matter which IRQ I set the ports too?
Phil
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Phil Hunt "Wherever you go, there you are!"
Howtek, Inc.
Internet: phil@howtek.MV.COM uucp: {decvax|harvard}!mv!howtek!phil
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
Dave Bernard writes:
> When Elizabeth greeted Mary with the words: "Blessed art thou
> among women" (Luke 1:42), it appears that this places Mary
> beyond the sanctification of normal humanity.
But Deborah says (Judges 5:24):
> Blessed among women shall be Jael the wife of Heber the Kenite,
> Blessed above all women in the tents.
It can doubtless be taken that Jael's slaying of Sisera was a type
of Mary's victory over sin. But even if we take Deborah's words as
applying prophetically or symbolically to Mary, they must still be
applicable literally to Jael. We may well take them to mean that
God used her as a part of His plan for the deliverance of His
people, and that she has this in common with Mary. But we have no
reason to suppose that they mean that she was sinless, and thus no
reason to take the like expression applied to Mary as proof that she
was sinless.
Yours,
James Kiefer
| 15soc.religion.christian |
Warren Brown, the Washington Post's auto writer was the first journalist
to get his hands on the New Yorker. If you'd like his impressions of it
his review appeared in Friday's paper, in the "Weekend" section.
He is not your traditional auto writer...
Enjoy.
| 7rec.autos |
artieb@vnet.IBM.COM writes:
> I saw a posting earlier that refered to FUNET.FI directory /pub/msdos
>however, when I log on to FUNET.FI I cant even find the "pub" directory
>let alone the "msdos" directory !!!! Can someone tell me what I'm doing
>wrong??
Perhaps you should try nic.funet.fi instead of funet.fi ??!?!?
nic.funet.fi is THE biggest (?) ftp site from Europe, but
the stuff available there should (?) also be available at the other site
of the "big pool".
Perry Egelmeers
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
Colonics were a health fad of the 19th century, which persists to this day.
Except for certain medical conditions, there is no reason to do this.
Certainly no normal person should do this.
Frequent use of enemas can lead to a condition in which a person is unable
to have normal bowel passage, essentially a person becomes addicted to
enemas. As I understand it, this is a very unpleasant condition, and it
would be best to avoid it.
| 13sci.med |
Does anyone know where I can get some voice synthesis chips??
I am looking for something like the ones that do the time and date
stamp on answering machines.
| 12sci.electronics |
In article <1993Apr20.180835.24033@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> dougb@ecs.comm.mot.com writes:
:My wife's ob-gyn has an ultrasound machine in her office. When
:the doctor couldn't hear a fetal heartbeat (13 weeks) she used
:the ultrasound to see if everything was ok. (it was)
:
:On her next visit, my wife asked another doctor in the office if
:they read the ultrasounds themselves or if they had a radiologist
:read the pictures. The doctor very vehemently insisted that they
:were qualified to read the ultrasound and radiologists were NOT!
:
:[stuff deleted]
This is one of those sticky areas of medicine where battles frequently
rage. With respect to your OB, I suspect that she has been certified in
ultrasound diagnostics, and is thus allowed to use it and bill for its
use. Many cardiologists also use ultrasound (echocardiography), and are
in fact considered by many to be the 'experts'. I am not sure where OBs
stand in this regard, but I suspect that they are at least as good as the
radioligists (flame-retardant suit ready).
--
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-|-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
= Kenneth Gilbert __|__ University of Pittsburgh =
= General Internal Medicine | "...dammit, not a programmer!" =
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-|-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
| 13sci.med |
>>>>> On 22 Apr 1993 16:59:28 -0700, turmoil@halcyon.com (Tim Crowley) said:
Tim> NNTP-Posting-Host: nwfocus.wa.com
Tim> goykhman@apollo.hp.com (Red Herring) writes:
>In article <16BB87EF1.V2110A@VM.TEMPLE.EDU> V2110A@VM.TEMPLE.EDU (Richard Hoenes) writes:
>>
>>Yes we've heard that the survivors are now saying that. We've also
>>seen the videotape which shows that the fire started in two or
>>three different places which weren't near the tank.
> I have not seen the tape on CNN. Which network did you see it on?
Tim> I saw the film on CNN *as* it happend. It was clear from that
Tim> tape that the fire started in ONE location. Right where the
Tim> tank was attacking, and then had pulled back. There were not
Tim> several spots where the fire started, it started in one
Tim> location and was spread in the direction of the heavy wind.
Tim> The FBI claims to have seen or filmed several starting
Tim> points. Yet they keep this hidden. They have spread so much
Tim> lies. Well I guess if I was responsible for the mass murder
Tim> of 80 people who were exercising constitutional rights, I
Tim> would lie about it too...
Gosh, Tim, you must have seen a different live broadcast than I did. While
the smoke did emerge from one place initially, it was a considerable
distance from the tank, and in a very short time, fire appeared at several
places a good distance apart from there.
Then there's that nagging question about why, out of all those people,
only a few made any attempts to escape or save the children. If it were
me, with my child, [and I wasn't committing suicide,] I believe I would have
made SOME attempt to at least save the child. As it was, at least one of
the survivors was attempting to GO BACK INTO THE FIRE when they were
physically removed. No one lifted a finger to bring out a child, apparently.
How do you explain that? And the two survivors who claimed to have doused
the place with lantern oil and SET the fire (no doubt on David's orders).
[At least until the lawyers talked to them.]
Tim> And also, why have they not yet released the search warrant????
That *is* a good question. Maybe because it would be a further
embarrassment, seeing as how the ATF went in there in Dirty Harry mode
initially.
As stupidly as it all was handled, I find it difficult to believe that the
entire FBI has completely gone corrupt under a new administration less
than 100 days old. Stupidity and bad decisions and plans have always been
with us. They just had an alignment at Waco.
Tim> Seeeeee Ya turmoil@halcyon.com FUCK THE POLICE!!!!
See? Freedom of speech abounds.
L.
"Yeh, Buddy.. | larry@psl.nmsu.edu (Larry Cunningham)| _~~_
I've got your COMPUTER! | % Physical Science Laboratory | (O)(-)
Right HERE!!" | New Mexico State University | /..\
(computer THIS!) | Las Cruces, New Mexico, USA 88003 | <>
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Disclaimer: Opinions expressed here are CORRECT, mine, and not PSLs or NMSUs..
Oh sure, we could do it the _easy_ way. But it just wouldn't be the COWBOY WAY.
| 18talk.politics.misc |
From the June newsletter of the Latin Liturgy Association:
There is a new e-mail discussion group: LATIN-L, a forum for people
interested in classical Latin, medieval Latin, Neo-Latin; the languages of
choice are Latin (of course) and whatever vulgar languages you feel
comfortable using. Please be prepared to translate on request. The field
is open -- name your topic! In order to subscribe, BITNET users should
send an interactive message of the form "TELL LISTSERV@PSUVM SUB LATIN-L
[your name]". INTERNET users should send a message (without a subject
line) to the address LISTSERV@PSUVM.PSU.EDU. The message should read "SUB
LATIN-L [your name]". Once subscribed, one may participate by sending
messages to LATIN-L@PSUVM or LATIN-L@PSUVM.PSU.EDU.
---
Richard Aquinas Chonak, norris@mit.edu
orbis unus orans
| 15soc.religion.christian |
In article <122779@netnews.upenn.edu>, ldecock@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Luke
DeCock) wrote:
>
> The only player the Hawks have lost because they screwed up is Peluso. The
> hapless Blues lost Stevens and gave away Oates. Okay, so the Blues won this
You must be kidding, right? In losing Stevens the Blues got Shanahan and
kept
Joseph. Then they traded Oates for Janney. As a Hawks fan you have got to
respect those "hapless" names. 8^) Lets see, who scored the game winning
overtime goal in the 4th game???
> Luke DeCock
> ldecock@mail.sas.upenn.eu
/\ David Howarth howarth@sbctri.sbc.com
///\ Southwestern Bell Technology Resources Inc.
/// \ Advanced Technology Laboratory
/// \ 1010 Pine, Rm 635 St. Louis, MO. 63101
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
In article <1993Apr15.055341.6075@nysernet.org>, astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein) writes:
|> I guess Hasan finally revealed the source of his claim that Israel
|> diverted water from Lebanon--his imagination.
|> --
|> Alan H. Stein astein@israel.nysernet.org
Mr. water-head,
i never said that israel diverted lebanese rivers, in fact i said that
israel went into southern lebanon to make sure that no
water is being used on the lebanese
side, so that all water would run into Jordan river where there
israel will use it !#$%^%&&*-head.
Hasan
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
I remember hearing a few years back about a new therapy for hyperactivity
which involved aggressively eliminating artificial coloring and flavoring
from the diet. The theory -- which was backed up by interesting anecdotal
results -- is that certain people are just way more sensitive to these
chemicals than other people. I don't remember any connection being made
with seizures, but it certainly couldn't hurt to try an all-natural diet.
| 13sci.med |
35002_4401@uwovax.uwo.ca wrote:
: I need to know the Pins to connect to make a loopback connector for a serial
: port so I can build one. The loopback connector is used to test the
: serial port.
:
: Thanks for any help.
:
:
: Steve
:
Me Too!!!!!!!
skcgoh@tartarus.uwa.edu.au
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
In article <1993Apr6.035020.16730@cactus.org> boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) writes:
>miles, a rare screw up by Honda.
>Both the GTZ and GSR are flawed cars. The performance enthusiasts would take
>the GTZ and the CR purchase would be the GSR.
>
The CR purchase would be the Ford Probe GT.
john
--
John Nielsen MAGNUS Consultant ______ ______ __ __
"To you Baldrick, the Renaissance was just /\ __ \ /\ ___\ /\ \/\ \
something that happened to other people, \ \ \/\ \\ \___ \\ \ \_\ \
wasn't it?" - The Black Adder \ \_____\\/\_____\\ \_____\
| 7rec.autos |
Does anyone know of a good way (standard PC application/PD utility) to
convert tif/img/tga files into LaserJet III format. We would also like to
do the same, converting to HPGL (HP plotter) files.
Please email any response.
Is this the correct group?
Thanks in advance. Michael.
--
Michael Collier (Programmer) The Computer Unit,
Email: M.P.Collier@uk.ac.city The City University,
Tel: 071 477-8000 x3769 London,
Fax: 071 477-8565 EC1V 0HB.
| 1comp.graphics |
In article <1993Apr20.223807.16712@cs.rochester.edu> dietz@cs.rochester.edu (Paul Dietz) writes:
In article <STEINLY.93Apr20145301@topaz.ucsc.edu> steinly@topaz.ucsc.edu (Steinn Sigurdsson) writes:
> Why Paul, it's obvious.
> Once chlorine chemistry has been banned on Earth,
> as is being advocated by some groups, Ti prices will
> :-) :-) :-)
Well, there already is a sulfate process for TiO2 purification. The
chlorine process is cleaner, however, and for that reason is achieving
dominance in the marketplace.
Darn, caught by the white hot heat of technological progress again...
Most Ti is used in pigment, btw (as the oxide), where it replaced
white lead pigment some decades ago. Very little is reduced to the
metal.
Spoilsport. Hence the need for increasing fashion
emphasis on anodise Ti jewelry...
> Seriously, I'd say there is a flaw in Gary's analysis
> in that he assumes an export oriented economy, maybe
> the lunatics will just want some native Ti for local
> use...
Which merely evades the issue of why those lunatics are
there at all (and, why their children would want to stay.)
I did not evade the issue at all. I clearly stated that
this would be from diabolical foresight in establishing
a sheltered industrial base for the upcoming Great War ;-)
Very cost effective if you use the right accounting method :-)
* Steinn Sigurdsson Lick Observatory *
* steinly@lick.ucsc.edu "standard disclaimer" *
* But, oh, love is strange *
* and you have to learn to take the crunchy with the smooth, *
* I suppose - B.B. 1983 *
| 14sci.space |
New in this version: challenge #5, plus an addendum summarizing
Charley's responses to-date..
-----------------------------------------
*** This is a posting made periodically in an attempt to encourage
*** Charley Wingate to address direct challenges to his evidently
*** specious claims. I'll continue to re-post periodically until
*** he answers them, publicly indicates that he won't answer them,
*** stops posting to alt.atheism, the alt.atheism community tells
*** me to stop, or I get totally bored. I apologize for the
*** somewhat juvenile nature of this approach, but I'm at a loss
*** to figure out another way to crack his intransigence and
*** seeming intellectual dishonesty.
***
*** This is re-post #3.
Charley,
I can't help but notice that you have still failed to provide answers
to substantive questions that have been raised in response to your
previous posts. I submit that you don't answer them because you
cannot answer them without running afoul of your own logic, and I once
again challenge you to prove me wrong. To make the task as easy for
you as possible, I'll present concise re-statements of some of the
questions that you have failed to answer, in the hope that you may
address them one at a time for all to see.
Should you fail to answer again within a reasonable time period, I
will re-post this article, with suitable additions and deletions, at
such time that I notice a post by you on another topic. I will repeat
this procedure until you either address the outstanding challenges or
you cease to post to this newsgroup.
I would like to apologize in advance if you have answered any of these
questions previously and your answer missed my notice. If you can be
kind enough to re-post or e-mail such articles, I will be only too
pleased to publicly rescind the challenge in question, and remove it
from this list.
Now, to the questions...
1. After claiming that all atheists fit into neat psychological
patterns that you proposed, then semi-retracting that claim by stating
that you weren't referring to *all* atheists, I asked you to name some
atheists who you feel don't fit your patterns, to show that you indeed
were not referring to all atheists that you are aware of. You failed
to do so. Please do so now.
Question: Can you name any a.a posters who do not fit into your
stereotype?
Here is the context for the question:
>>> This is not true for everyone on this board, and you are out of line
>>> in assuming that it is.
>>
>>YOU, however, deleted the text further along where I said that I didn't mean
>>to imply that everybody's experience was along the same lines.
>
>Whether or not you *mean* to make such implications, you do so
>repeatedly.
>
>Allow me to approach the issue from another viewpoint: can you name
>those atheists that you've come across who *do not* fit into the
>patterns that you theorize?
2. You have taken umbrage to statements to the effect that "senses and
reason are all we have to go by", and when pressed, you have implied
that we have an alternative called revelation. I have repeatedly
asked you to explain what revelation is and how one can both
experience and interpret revelation without doing so via our senses
and reason. You failed to do so. Please do so now.
Question: Can you explain what is revelation and how one can
experience and interpret it without using senses and inherent
reasoning?
Here is the context for the question:
>>Revelation is not reason, and if we DO have revelation, then
>>reasoning is NOT all we have.
>First, show me that revelation exists. Second, if revelation is not
>perceived through the senses, how exactly is it perceived? According
>to my Webster's, revelation is "an act of revealing or communicating
>divine truth." Now, tell me how such a thing can be revealed/
>communicated other than via the senses? Tell me how you can interpret
>this revelation other than with reason, that is, using your brain to
>interpret what you are sensing. When I say there is no way for a
>human being to interface with the universe other than via the senses as
>interpreted by reason (your brain), it is because this is the simple
>truth. If you have another mechanism of interface, by all means,
>share it with us.
then later...
>>>You CANNOT escape the fact that our entire interface with the universe is
>>>our senses and our reason, period.
>>
>>Again, this is indefensible.
>
>No, it is simple truth. I challenge you to show me otherwise.
then later...
>>Few mystics will agree to this assertion, and the common defense of
>>redefining "senses" to absorb (for instance) mystical experiences is
>>begs the question of whether some senses are better than others.
>
>I allow you the broadest definition of senses, to make things easier
>for you. Now, show me that "mystical experiences" exist. Remember,
>you aren't allowed to go by testimony of others (e.g., mystics), since
>you have dismissed my testimony as unreliable - you know, tainted by
>my own bias. Further, once these mystical thingies are absorbed, show
>me evidence that a human can recognize and respond to them short of
>interpretation via that person's reasoning capabilities.
>
>I challenge you to show me these things. If you cannot do so, you
>might as well give up the fight.
then later...
>Let me reiterate, you have NOT explained your interpretation of your
>experiences, so it is not possible for me to have attacked them. In
>point of fact, I specifically challenged you to explain this
>revelation stuff that you were talking about, and I note for the
>record that you appear to have declined my challenge.
>
>*What* is it? *How* is it sensed? *How* is it interpreted? And
>*how* does this sensing and interpretation occur without the conduit
>of our senses and reasoning abilities? You have answered none of
>these questions that go straight to the heart of your claims. If you
>can't answer them, your claims are entirely specious.
3. You have stated that all claims to dispassionate analysis made by
a.a posters are unverifiable and fantastical. I asked you to identify
one such claim that I have made. You have failed to do so. Please do
so now.
Question: Have I made any claims at all that are unverifiable and
fantastical? If so, please repeat them.
Here is the context for the question:
>>I must thank David Wood a most sensitive and intelligent (if wrong :-))
>>posting.
then later...
>>Likewise, the reference to "unverifiable, fantastical
>>claims" represents fairly accurately my reaction to all of the claims to
>>dispassionate analysis that are repeated in this group.
>
>Give me your address and I'll be pleased to send you a dictionary.
>Failing that, can you name ONE claim that I have made that is in any
>sense unverifiable or fantastical? I demand that you retract this
>statement if you cannot offer up evidence. If you follow your usual
>pattern of ignoring the challenge, then you are simply an asshole.
4. First you dismissed claims by atheists that they became atheists as
a result of reason, then later you stated that if one accepted the
"axioms" of reason that one couldn't help but become atheist. I asked
you to explain the contradiction. Your only response was a statement
that the question was incoherent, an opinion not shared by others that
I have asked, be they atheist or theist. You have failed to answer
the question. Please do so now.
Question: Do you retract your claim that a.a posters have not become
atheists as a result of reason, despite their testimony to that
effect? If you don't retract that claim, do you retract the
subsequent claim that acceptance of the axioms of reason inevitably
result in atheism?
Here is the context for the question:
[First quote]
>>...we have here a bunch of people who claim that their position is
>>based on reason... it is up to atheists to prove it to me...
>
>then,
>
[Second quote]
>>...but I do not see how one can accept these axioms and not end up with
>>an atheistic point of view.
5. First, you claimed that you would (probably) not answer these
Challenges because they contained too much in the way of "included
text" from previous posts. Later, you implied that you wouldn't
respond because I was putting words in your mouth. Please clarify
this seeming contradiction.
Question: Do you prefer to respond to Challenges that include context
from your own posts, or that I paraphrase your positions in order to
avoid "included text"?
Here is the context for the question:
First you said:
>>My ordinary rules are that I don't read articles over over 150 lines
>>or articles in which there is nothing but included text on the first
>>screen. THese are not rules of morality, but practicality.
then later...
>>If someone is not going to argue with MY version of MY position, then
>>they cannot be argued with.
As usual, your responses are awaited with anticipation.
--Dave Wood
p.s., For the record, below is a compilation of Charley's responses to
these challenges to date.
3/18/93
>>This makes no sense to me at all; it gives the appearance either of utter
>>incoherence, or of answering some question of Mr. Wood's imagination.
3/31/93 (#1)
>>Mr. Wood, I do not subscribe to the opinion that a gauntlet thrown down on
>>the net requires any response whatsoever. At some point I might read and
>>respond to your article, and then again, I might not. My ordinary rules are
>>that I don't read articles over over 150 lines or articles in which there is
>>nothing but included text on the first screen. THese are not rules of
>>morality, but practicality.
3/31/93 (#2)
>>I left out something else I don't respond to.
>>...
>>Utmost on my list of things to avoid are arguments about the arguments
>>(meta-arguments, as some call them).
4/3/93
>>When I have to start saying "that's not what I said", and the response is
>>"did so!", there's no reason to continue. If someone is not going to argue
>>with MY version of MY position, then they cannot be argued with.
| 0alt.atheism |
livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
>>This whole thread started because of a discussion about whether
>>or not the death penalty constituted cruel punishment, which is forbidden
>>by the US Constitution.
>Yes, but they didn't say what they meant by "cruel", which is why
>a) you have the Supreme Court, and b) it makes no sense to refer
>to the Constitution, which is quite silent on the meaning of the
>word "cruel".
They spent quite a bit of time on the wording of the Constitution. They
picked words whose meanings implied the intent. We have already looked
in the dictionary to define the word. Isn't this sufficient?
>>Oh, but we were discussing the death penalty (and that discussion
>>resulted from the one about murder which resulted from an intial
>>discussion about objective morality--so this is already three times
>>removed from the morality discussion).
>Actually, we were discussing the mening of the word "cruel" and
>the US Constitution says nothing about that.
But we were discussing it in relation to the death penalty. And, the
Constitution need not define each of the words within. Anyone who doesn't
know what cruel is can look in the dictionary (and we did).
keith
| 0alt.atheism |
FM-2 has been sold.
Following remains:
* Minolta MD 50 mm lens. $25.
* Ricoh camera with zoom lens. (Identical features as Nikon FE, plus some
more). Great condition. Inquire about low price.
* S-VHS tapes. Brand new. Fuji high quality. Inquire.
| 6misc.forsale |
pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Crowley) writes:
> As for the cleaners, I'll stick with my 850W Electrolux and damn the
> carpet.
Nah. Nothing sucks like a VAX :)...
Amanda Walker
InterCon Systems Corporation
| 11sci.crypt |
Hello, I am not sure if this is the right conference to ask this
question, however, Here I go.. I am a commercial fisherman and I
fell about 3 weeks ago down into the hold of the boat and broke or
cracked a rib and wrenched and bruised my back and left arm.
My question, I have been to a doctor and was told that it was
best to do nothing and it would heal up with no long term effect, and
indeed I am about 60 % better, however, the work I do is very
hard and I am still not able to go back to work. The thing that worries me
is the movement or "clunking" I feel and hear back there when I move
certain ways... I heard some one talking about the rib they broke
years ago and that it still bothers them.ÿ. any opinions?
thanx and cheers
jc@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (John Cross)
The Old Frog's Almanac (Home of The Almanac UNIX Users Group)
(604) 245-3205 (v32) <Public Access UseNet> (604) 245-4366 (2400x4)
Vancouver Island, British Columbia Waffle XENIX 1.64
| 13sci.med |
In article <1993Apr28.010847.418@cs.ucla.edu> steven@surya.cs.ucla.edu (Steven Berson) writes:
>hm@cs.brown.edu (Harry Mamaysky) writes:
>
>[ ... Mr. Mamaysky's proposal to forbid "any action which serves to promote a
> morally incorrect action" omitted for brevity ...]
>
>I prefer the freedom granted in the first amendment of the US
>Constitution to an arbitrary definition of "universal morality."
"Society" is impossible without some shared set of moralities, sense
of what is "god" and what is "bad" action and basic foundation of
something "universal".
>Steve
>P.S. I can elaborate in e-mail if this isn't clear
>P.P.S. I'm very sorry about misspelling your name
>--
>=========================================================================
>Steven Berson UCLA Computer Science Department (310) 825-3189
>steven@cs.ucla.edu Los Angeles, CA 90024-1596
>=========================================================================
--
Tim Clock Ph.D./Graduate student
UCI tel#: 714,8565361 Department of Politics and Society
fax#: 714,8568441 University of California - Irvine
Home tel#: 714,8563446 Irvine, CA 92717
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
In article <C4Hyou.1Iz@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin) writes:
>In article <188@ky3b.UUCP> km@ky3b.pgh.pa.us (Ken Mitchum) writes:
>
>>Ditto. Disease is a great leveling experience, however. Some people
>>are very much afronted to find out that all the money in the world
>>does not buy one health. Everyone looks the same when they die.
>
>If money does not buy one health, why are we talking about paying
>for medical expenses for those not currently "adequately covered"?
Herman, I would think you of all people would/could distinguish
between "health" and "treatment of disease." All the prevention
medicine people preach this all the time. You cannot buy health.
You can buy treatment of disease, assuming you are lucky enough
to have a disease which can be treated. A rich person with a
terminal disease is a bit out of luck. There is no such thing
as "adequately covered" and there never will be.
And for what it's worth, I'll be the first to admit that all my
patients die.
-km
| 13sci.med |
I'm quite astonished, shocked, and appalled at this serious frontal
assault on emerging American freedoms. The Clinton administration
nor any other government agency has any legitimate role whatsoever
in regulating cryptography. To do so is tantamount to regulating
`acceptable' speech, and is blatantly unconstitutional. Perhaps we
should rename this year `1984' in honor of such an illustrious
proposal. Let the Crappy Chip live in infamy, and the adminstration
receive great shame and discredit for this bizarre misadventure.
I am outraged that my tax money is being used to develop technology
to restrict my freedoms far beyond reasonable measures. The U.S.
government will have my full uncooperation and disobedience on any
serious threat to my liberties such as this, and I call on everyone
with an interest in a sensible government to resist and defy this
proposal. The administration does not seem to understand that they
are merely a subservient instrument to implement the will of the
public, and hence anyone involved in this proposal in this respect is
wholly negligent and remiss in performing their lawful duty.
>While encryption
>technology can help Americans protect business secrets and the
>unauthorized release of personal information, it also can be used
>by terrorists, drug dealers, and other criminals.
It seems to me that U.S. Diplomatic communications should be
tappable by the U.N. whenever any countries produce a warrant to
the U.N. In fact, I think we should stop paying the NSA billions
of dollars a year to produce unbreakable codes for this reason.
These actions violate the sovereignity of international law. (I hope
Mr. Clinton is shrewd enough to recognize my sarcasm and satire here.
But if he isn't, it's a modest and reasonable proposal, so he should
find merit with it nevertheless.)
Cryptography is neutral technology. If everybody has strong
cryptography (including policemen, bureacrats, businessmen,
housewives, thugs and hoodlums), we have a sustainable
equilibrium. Anything less is an unworkable anti-egaltarian
arrangement, intrinsically antithetical to American freedoms, and
guaranteed to collapse under its own weight of inherent
impracticality. We don't need to compromise on issues of freedom.
>For too long there has been little or no dialogue between our
>private sector and the law enforcement community to resolve the
>tension between economic vitality and the real challenges of
>protecting Americans.
For too long our government has demonstrated itself to be
increasingly hostile and a serious obstacle to economic vitality
and protecting Americans.
>Since encryption technology will play an increasingly important
>role in that infrastructure, the Federal Government must act
>quickly to develop consistent, comprehensive policies regarding
>its use. The Administration is committed to policies that
>protect all Americans' right to privacy while also protecting
>them from those who break the law.
It is not possible for the Federal Government
to ``act quickly'' or develop ``consistent, comprehensive
policies'' PERIOD. And even if by some grandiose miracle such
a thing were possible, it would only be an efficient way to
deprive American citizens of fundamental and inalienable rights.
The administration has to be committed to leaving private
industries alone, esp. on this issue. The government has no
legitimate role in regulating the content of communications.
Law enforcement agencies must be prepared to forfeit their
surveillance bludgeon; they are soon and inevitably to be
disarmed of it.
>Q: If the Administration were unable to find a technological
> solution like the one proposed, would the Administration be
> willing to use legal remedies to restrict access to more
> powerful encryption devices?
No such laws can be constitutionally sound, and this is equivalent
to a veiled threat, which I don't appreciate. This kind of
extortion tends to agitate me and others into radicalism. I will
trade threats for threats, and violation for violation.
> The Administration is not saying, "since encryption
> threatens the public safety and effective law enforcement,
> we will prohibit it outright" (as some countries have
> effectively done);
If the administration did say this, it would find itself
impeached for reckless and outrageous disregard of essential,
established, entrenched, and explicit constitutional privacy
guarantees. The administration would have no legal standing
whatsoever; such an action would be egregiously illegal and
criminal, and wholly untolerated and disregarded by vast
segments of the population.
> nor is the U.S. saying that "every
> American, as a matter of right, is entitled to an
> unbreakable commercial encryption product."
The U.S., comprised of a vast majority of people fanatically
committed to preserving their privacy in the face of an
increasingly totalitarian government, is saying just that.
Take your chips and give them to NSA employees as Christmas bonuses.
We can run any algorithm on our computers we damn well please,
and we will make any chips we please, and we will send any bit
pattern over our data highways we please. And if you try to stop
us, you will be gradually or abruptly dissolved into nothingness.
[privacy vs. law enforcement]
> There is a
> false "tension" created in the assessment that this issue is
> an "either-or" proposition.
This is an outright Dingaling Denning lie. The two aims of
privacy and surveillance are intrinsically and fundamentally
incompatible, and you have to work for the NSA to think otherwise.
Americans are about to discover ways, through the use of technology,
to preserve their inalienable but forgotten freedoms that have slowly
been eroded away by an increasingly distant and unresponsive and
*unrepresentative* government.
--
ld231782@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU
| 11sci.crypt |
In article <1993Apr10.130112.25440@bradford.ac.uk> L.Newnham@bradford.ac.uk (Leonard Newnham) writes:
>Gregg Jaeger (jaeger@buphy.bu.edu) wrote:
>>>And no, in Western countries, it isn't a "legal" concept
>>>at all, so it's not the slightest bit pertinent to the
>>>topic, which is a British author living in the United
>>>Kingdom under the protection of British law.
>>Ah, yes, I keep forgetting, governments are superior entities to
>>religious organizations. Forgive me -- the gun is the higher law.
>This is degenerating to 'Zumder logic. Of course governments are
>superior entities, they are elected by the people, whereas religious
>leaders certainly are not.
Perhaps not in Christianity, but in Islam the choice of religious
leaders is to be made by the people. So much for your superiority
argument.
> Those who the people trust to make the law
>obviously represents the higher law. That is democracy.
Democracy is a basic element of Islam. Learn that one!
Ever notice that the so-called "fundamentalists" in Algeria
who are being repressed by the secular government won in
free and democratic elections.
Gregg
| 0alt.atheism |
In article <1993Apr14.200649.12578@pts.mot.com>, ep502dn@pts.mot.com (Dave Naehring X2079 P7630) writes:
> In article 2482@adobe.com, snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) writes:
>>Every single piece of evidence we can find points to Major League Baseball
>>being 50% offense, 50% defense. A run scored is just as important as a run
>>prevented.
>>
> This certainly passes the "common sense test" for me, but is there any
> statistical evidence to say what percent of defense is pitching and what
> percent is fielding? I'd really like to know. BTW, Sherri, thanks for
> the DA data I find it fascinating.
Of course a run scored is just as important as a run prevented.
Just as a penny saved is a penny earned. Enough with the cliches.
My point is that IF the Braves starters are able to live up to
their potential, they won't need much offensive support.
I realize this is a BIG IF. This staff leaves the '92 BoSox in the dust.
There is no legitimate comparison. Two Cy Young winners, and three other
pitchers that most any team in the league would kill to have as their first
or second starter. It seems to me that when quality pitchers take the
mound, the other teams score less runs. The team that scores the most
runs wins. This puts the team with the better pitching at the advantage
(providing they can stop the opposing team from scoring runs). A low
scoring game would clearly benefit the Braves. They should have many
low scoring games due to their excellent pitching and below average hitting.
On the flip side, if you had a starting lineup of great offensive players,
I would be arguing that this team would not need great pitchers.
They would have an advantage because they could simply outscore their
opponent. The name of the games is to win. Even Ray Knight knows that
you do this by putting more runs up on the scoreboard.
All I'm trying to say is that if you assemble the quality pitchers
like the Braves have, the offense doesn't need to be as strong.
Sam
>
> -Dave
>
>
>>Sherri Nichols
>>snichols@adobe.com
>
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
From article <93859@hydra.gatech.EDU>, by gs26@prism.gatech.EDU (Glenn R. Stone):
> In <2077@rwing.UUCP> pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto) writes:
>
>>Anybody for impeachment?
>
> Yeah, me. Both the Slickmeister and Hillary's buddy Janet say
> they're responsible... I want both their resignations on my desk
> yesterday. I also want both thier butts up on federal civil rights
> violations.... something which carries life in prison as a penalty.
>
> Oh, and I'll contribute $20 to Arlen Specter's presidential campaign
> for having the 'nads to launch the Senate investigation.
I second that motion wholeheartedly. Also, how about s**tcanning the
cigarette cops (a.k.a. as the ATF). Comments anyone?
> -- Glenn R. Stone (glenns@eas.gatech.edu) ==================
> America in Distress ==================
> (flag upside down = SOS) *******===========
> Save your Republic before *******===========
> it no longer exists. *******===========
Scott Kennedy, Brewer and Patriot
Before: "David Koresh is a cheap thug who interprets
the Bible through the barrel of a gun..." --ATF spokesman
After: "[The ATF] is a cheap thug who interprets
[the Constitution] through the barrel of a gun..." --Me
| 16talk.politics.guns |
Jann VanOver (vanover@bcsaic.boeing.com) wrote:
> My co-worker has just attached a magneto-optical drive to his mac.
> Works Great for him. However, he tried to turn on file sharing, but it
> wouldn't work. Had some message about "Not all volumes are shareable"
> ???
> So - has anyone had success in sharing MOs? If so, please tell me how!
Hi.
He needs insert the MO before FileSharing get turned on, and the only one
that can see the disk is the owner of the machine. (I'm not sure but seems
that the check "Allow owner to see entire disk" should be enabled too).
A bad thing: you can't eject the disk until FS is turned off.
Hope that helps.
--
Pablo A. Millan L. | MIS OPINIONES SON MIAS (pero te las puedo vender)
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
email : pablo@ing.puc.cl | Seeds Limitada, Santiago, Chile
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Research is what I'm doing when I don't know what I'm doing" -- W. von Braun
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
Check out a program called PC-Xview. I've used it before, and from
what I can tell, it's exactly what you're looking for. Last I checked,
you should be able to find it for about $160 a copy.
-Eric
--
******************************************************************************
* schwarte@cs.colostate.edu * "Of /course/ I'm certain!" - Heisenberg *
* schwarte@lamar.colostate.edu * "He hadn't a single redeeming vice" *
* where does bob barker go when* -Oscar Wilde *
* i watch vanna white? *Wasting time is an important part of living. *
******************************************************************************
| 5comp.windows.x |
WOULD WIRETAP CHIP BE COST-EFFECTIVE?
by Robin Hanson
Draft, April 21, 1993
SUMMARY: Compared to an average monthly phone bill of sixty dollars,
wiretaps are only worth two cents a month to police. So the
proposed wiretap chip must raise phone costs by less than one part
in three thousand to be cost-effective.
BACKGROUND
Until now, phones have happened to allow the existence of "wiretaps",
detectors which could pick up conversations on a phone line. And over
time, law enforcement agencies have come to rely on this capability to
aid in criminal investigations. However, powerful new encryption
technologies threaten this status quo, by making possible truly
private communication. A small chip in each phone could soon make it
literally impossible to overhear a conversation without physical
microphones at either end.
In order to preserve the ability of law enforcement agencies to tap
phone conversations, the U.S. government announced on April 16, 1993
that it had developed and begun manufacturing a special "wiretap" chip
to be placed in future phones, instead of the total privacy chips
which have been under private development. The same day, AT&T
announced it would use these chips "in all its secure telephone
products".
Each chip would be created under government supervision, when it would
be given a fixed indentifier and encryption key. Periodically during
each conversation, the chip would broadcast its identifier and other
info in a special "law enforcement block". Law enforcement officers
with a court order could then obtain the key corresponding to the
indentifier from special trust agencies, and could thereby listen in
on any future or previously recorded conversations on that phone.
To date, most concerns voiced about this plan have been about its
security. The government won't disclose the encryption algorithm, and
many suspect the government will not limit its access in the way it
has claimed. The track record of previous governments does not
inspire confidence on this point [1].
However, this paper will neglect these concerns, and ask instead
whether this new wiretap chip is a cost-effective tool for police
investigation. That is, which is a cheaper way for society to
investigate crime: force phone communications to support wiretaps, or
give police agencies more money to investigate crimes in other ways?
Or to put it another way, would police agencies be willing to pay for
each wiretap, if they had to pay their share of the full social cost
of forcing phones to support wiretaps?
To start to answer this question, we might compare the current
benefits wiretaps provide to law enforcement agencies with projected
costs of implementing the new wiretap chip plan. And since current
benefits are easier to estimate, we begin there.
WIRETAP BENEFITS
1990 is the latest year for which wiretap statistics are available
[2]. In that year, 872 wiretap installations were requested, and no
requests were denied. (This figure does not include wiretaps obtained
with the consent of a party to the conversation.) 2057 arrests
resulted from wiretaps started the same year, 1486 arrests came from
wiretaps in previous years, and 55% of arrests led to convictions.
76% of the wiretaps were for phones (vs pagers, email, etc.), 60% were
regarding drug offenses, and 40% were requested by federal
authorities. Each wiretap installation heard an average of 1487
calls, 22% of them incriminating, among 131 people, and cost an
average of $45,125 (extrapolating from the 794 installations
reporting costs), mostly for labor.
Thus a total of about $40 Million was spent on wiretaps, to obtain
about 4000 arrests, at $10,000 per arrest. Thus these arrests are at
least four times more expensive than the $2500 per arrest figure one
gets by dividing the $28 Billion spent by all police nationally by the
total 11 Million non-traffic arrests [3]. Thus the $30 Million per
year spent on phone taps is only one thousanth of the total police
expenditures. And if we divide this by the 138 Million phone "access"
lines in the country [3], we get about 23 cents spent per year per
phone line, or about two cents a month.
In general, we deter a given class of criminals through a combination
of a perceived probability of being caught and convicted, and some
expected punishment level if convicted. So the social value of having
wiretaps is no more than the amount that we would have to pay to get
the same criminal deterrence through other means. If unable to
wiretap a particular suspect's phone, police might instead use hidden
microphones, or investigate that suspect in other ways. Or police
might focus on suspects more easily investigated without wiretaps. Or
we might raise the fine or prison time for certain types of crime.
If we generously assume that these substitutes for wiretaps would be
on average twice as expensive as wiretaps, then the annual social
benefit of phone wiretaps is about equal to the current spending level
of two cents a month per phone line.
WIRETAP COSTS
Let us for the moment optimistically assume that the US government
encryption scheme is as secure as whatever private enterprise would
have offered instead, protecting our conversations from the spying
ears of neighbors, corporations, and governments, both foreign and
domestic. Even so, the need to support wiretaps would add many
additional costs to build and maintain our communication system.
Extra law enforcement blocks would be added to phone transmissions,
increasing traffic by some unknown percentage. A special process must
be used to add encryption keys to chips, while securely distributing
these keys to special agencies, which must be funded and monitored.
The chips themselves are designed by a military contractor, whose
design is to remain secret, and are manufactured through a special
process so that the chip becomes nearly impossible to take apart.
(Chips are now offered at the relatively high price of $30 a peice in
lots of 10,000 [4].) Private encryption systems not supporting
wiretaps would require none of these extra costs.
Perhaps most important, government degree would at least partially
replace private marketplace evolution of standards for how voice is to
be represented, encrypted, and exchanged in our future phones. It is
widely believed that governments are less efficient than private
enterprise in procuring products and standards, though they may perhaps
perform a useful brokering role when we choose between competing private
standards. How much less efficient is a matter of debate, some say
they pay twice as much, while others might say only 10% more.
Currently, a total of $96 Billion is spent as operating expenses of
U.S. phone companies [3], which comes out to about $60 per month per
access line. If we compare this to the wiretap value of two cents per
month, we see that if wiretaps raise average operating costs by even
as much as one part in 3000, then wiretaps are not cost effective!
And this doesn't even include extra costs phone owners pay because
their encryption chips are more expensive. Of course most phones
wouldn't have encryption chips for a while, but the wiretap benefit
per phone is still the same, so this argument still applies.
CONCLUSION
Given this dramatic difference between the total cost of running the
phone system and the value of wiretaps, we can justify only the
slightest modification of the phone system to accommodate wiretaps.
When the only modification required was to allow investigators in to
attach clips to phone wires, wiretap support may have been reasonable.
But when we consider substantial modification, the burden of proof is
clearly on those proposing such modification to show that the costs
would really be less than the benefits.
If consensus cannot be obtain on this cost/benefit estimate, a
compromise might be to tax phones which do not support wiretaps at a
rate of say five cents per month, a tax payable to police agencies
nationwide to compensate them for their loss of wiretap abilities.
[1] The Invisible Weapon, Oxford Press, ISBN 0-19-506273-6
[2] Report on Applications for Orders Authorizing or Approving the
Interception of Wire, Oral, or Electronic Communications, 1990,
Administrative Office of U.S. Courts, Washington, DC 20544.
[3] U.S. Statistical Abstracts, 1992.
[4] Dorothy Denning, "The Clipper Chip: A Technical Summary",
distributed to sci.crypt newsgroup April 21, 1993.
--
Robin Hanson hanson@ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov
415-604-3361 MS-269-2, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA 94035
510-651-7483 47164 Male Terrace, Fremont, CA 94539-7921
| 11sci.crypt |
In article <C5KI6y.C9E@news.cso.uiuc.edu> parker@ehsn17.cen.uiuc.edu (Robert S. Parker) writes:
>[mucho delete-o concerning abortion not being a choice if lower class women
>can't afford it]
If all choices should have federal funding so poor people can afford them,
then shouldn't firearms be federally subsidized? After all, it is the people
in the ghettoes who are most affected by the proliferation of weapons among
criminals. Shouldn't they have federal funding so they can protect themselves
and their families from inner city criminals?
>-Rob
C'mon, Rob. If there is one argument that is ridiculous concerning
abortion it is that pro-choice should imply federal funding for abortion.
It's very dishonest.
Ralph D. Taite
President, Institute for Conservative Policy Review
| 18talk.politics.misc |
In article <C5uup3.5wp@news.claremont.edu> ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu (Eli Brandt) writes:
In article <1993Apr21.132318.16981@ulysses.att.com> smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin) writes:
>Remember that they've promised to let a committee of outside experts see
>the cryptosystem design.
I hope there are some silicon jocks on the committee who can follow
the algorithm through to hardware. While I doubt the NSA would pull
any monkey business on this point -- they have to expect that the
chip will be reverse-engineered sooner or later -- it's an obvious
opportunity to introduce additional holes.
The chip isn't the place to pull the monkey business - you do it in
the key generation, either by having a mathematical backdoor,
or by having the program on the laptop that supposedly generates the
keys also save a copy of S1 and S2 and leak it out somehow,
or by having the program that supposedly puts the official keys
on the chip actually put a *different* key there (VERY hard to detect,
since the escrow agents have to either trust the NSA laptop or
give each other the S* keys, and they still don't know the algorithm.)
Or have the chip-burner at the factory make copies of the keys.
Or whatever.
--
# Pray for peace; Bill
# Bill Stewart 1-908-949-0705 wcs@anchor.att.com AT&T Bell Labs 4M312 Holmdel NJ
# No, I'm *from* New Jersey, I only *work* in cyberspace....
# White House Commect Line 1-202-456-1111 fax 1-202-456-2461
| 11sci.crypt |
In article <mcguire.1085350200F@newsserver.utcc.utk.edu>,
mcguire@utkvx.utk.edu (Michael A. McGuire) wrote:
>
> In Article <1993Apr16.075822.22121@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>,
> hlsw_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Dave Hollinsworth) wrote:
> >With a little luck, I could own a C650 sometime in the near future, and
> >so I was just wondering if someone could clear these two questions up for me:
> >
> >1. What speed SIMMS does the C650 need/want? (I know that it needs 80ns
> >VRAM...not sure for the main RAM.)
> >
>
> 60ns 72 pin simms.
>
> >2. I've heard two conflicting stories about the total expandibility of the
> >C650's RAM...132 and 136 megs. Which is true? (Perhaps another phrasing
> >would be better: does the 8 meg version come with all 8 megs on the logic
> >board, or 4 megs + a 4 meg SIMM?)
> >
> 2 configs: 4mb & 8mb. In each case the memory is soldered on the board
> leaving the 4 simm sockets open. 132mb is the total addressable memory for a
> 650.
According to the (seen several times) postings from Dale Adams of Apple
Computer, both the 610 and the 650 require 80ns SIMMS - NOT 60 ns. Only
the Centris 800 requires 60 ns SIMMs.
Pete
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
From article <1993May15.091822.14174@lth.se>, by knut@tts.lth.se (Ake Knutsson):
> In Win 3.1, one may assign hot-keys for the program items within the
> Program Manager. How about the Program Manager itself? Is there one
> already, or is there some way to assign one?
Put ProgMan (with the hotkey) in your StartUp -group. Should do it.
-zi
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
Hi Everyone ::
I am looking for some software called SHADOW as
far as I know its a simple raytracer used in
the visualization of synchrotron beam lines.
Now we have an old version of the program here
,but unfortunately we don't have any documentation
if anyone knows where I can get some docs, or
maybe a newer version of the program or even
another program that does the same sort of thing
I would love to hear from you.
PS I think SHADOW was written by a F Cerrina?
Anyone any ideas?
Thanks -Gary- SERC Daresbury Lab.
| 1comp.graphics |
wcsbeau@superior.carleton.ca (OPIRG) writes:
>I don't think that idea means what you think it does. Having everyone
>on Earth subject to some ad agency's "poor taste" *is* an abomination.
Well, we already suffer from street hoardings. If you don't
watch TV, you are free of commercials there, but if you want
to go from A to B you cannot escape beer ads.
>us loathe it. I'd rather not have the beauty of the night sky always marred
>by a giant billboard, and I'll bet the idea is virtually sacrilegious
>to an astronomer like Sagan.
I think the right time to stop this proposal is now.
If this idea goes through, it's the thin end of the wedge. Soon
companies will be doing larger, and more permanant, billboards in the
sky. I wouldn't want a world a few decades from now when the sky
looks like Las Vegas. That would _really_ make me sad.
Coca Cola company will want to paint the moon red and white. (Well,
if not this moon, then a moon of Jupiter). Microscum will want to
name a galaxy `Microscum Galaxy'. Where do we draw the line?
Historically mankind is not very good at drawing fine lines.
I'm normally extremely enthusiastic about all forms of resource
allocation for space research; I think it's the most important
investment possible for mankind in the long run. But this is not
the way to get the money.
-ans.
--
Ajay Shah, (213)749-8133, ajayshah@rcf.usc.edu
| 14sci.space |
rick@howtek.MV.COM (Rick Roy) writes:
>In article <1r1u5t$595@lm1.oryx.com> (alt.conspiracy,talk.religion.misc), xcpslf@oryx.com (stephen l favor) writes:
>] Koresh was killed because he wanted lots of illegal guns.
>Even if what you say is true, do you think this is a reasonable way
>to deal with people who want "lots of illegal guns"?
What makes you say that the guns were illegal?? I understand that the BD's
had a valid Class III Federal Firearms Permit, which would allow them to
have pretty much anything short of a howitzer legally.
--
Tom Gillman, Systems Programmer | "AAAAAGGGGHHHH"
Wells Computer Center-Ga. State Univ. | -- Any "Classic" Star Trek Security
(404) 651-4503 syshtg@gsusgi2.gsu.edu | officer sometime during the show
GSU doesn't care what I say on the Internet, why should you?
| 19talk.religion.misc |
In article <1993Mar30.030105.26772@omen.UUCP> caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes:
>Sometime in the future diet evangelists may get off their "our
>diet will work if only the obese would obey it" mode and do
>useful research to allow prediction of which types of diet might
>be useful to a given individual.
>
"Diet Evangelist". Good term. Fits Atkins to a "T".
--
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Gordon Banks N3JXP | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and
geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
| 13sci.med |
Is there a Chicago Cubs mailing list?? If so, I'd like to join.
Any help appreciated....
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
Brian Grier (bjgrier@bnr.ca) wrote:
: So to most of the computer users in the world MS product symbolize
: quality. MS has made their life easier, and more productive and to them
: that is quality. They do not care about what innovative things MS has
: done, other than to make their life with a computer one heck of a lot
: easier. You may know better than most computer users in this world
: but that will not change their perception.
None of this changes the fact that MSW3.1 is objectively inferior to its
competition.
I have begun to learn in life that the masses never choose the best option
available to them-- they choose the one which they have been conditioned to
think is best. I'm glad I'm not one of them.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+ Kurt D. Bollacker Duke University Medical Center +
+ kdb@sunbar.mc.duke.edu Durham, NC 27710 +
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
In article <philC51D4F.G2J@netcom.com> phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes:
-> In article <1993Apr5.193616.14521@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> gadfly@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (Gadfly) writes:
-> >Now let me get this straight. After a nice, long rant about
-> >how people need to take personal responsibility for their
-> >economic and social lives, all of a sudden 1960's radicals
-> >(such as me, I guess) are responsible for poor people's
-> >lifestyles? Tell me how that works--or do you think that poor
-> >people are just too dumb to think for themselves?
-> >
-> >There are many reasons for the disintegration of the family
-> >and support systems in general among this nation's poor.
-> >Somehow I don't think Murphy Brown--or Janis Joplin--is at
-> >the top of any sane person's list.
-> >
-> >You want to go after my generation's vaunted cultural
-> >revolution for a lasting change for the worse, try so-called
-> >"relevant" or "values" education. Hey, it seemed like a good
-> >idea at the time. How were we to know you needed a real
-> >education first--I mean, we took that for granted.
->
-> The 1960's generation were the most spoiled and irresponsible.
->
-> The Depression had create mothers and fathers that were determined that their
-> kids would not want for anything -- going overboard and creating a nation of
-> brats.
->
-> Consider the contrast between two famous events in July of 1969.
->
-> Apollo 11 and Woodstock.
->
-> Which group had large numbers of people that could not feed themselves and
-> reverted to the cultural level of primitives (defecation in public etc.).
->
-> And which group assembled, took care of itself, and dispersed with no damage,
-> no deaths, no large numbers of drug problems ....
->
Wasn't Woodstock also called the biggest parking lot in
history? They rejected society and went back to nature in their
parent's cars.
--
Jason C. Austin
j.c.austin@larc.nasa.gov
| 18talk.politics.misc |
In article <1qk4qf$mf8@male.EBay.Sun.COM> almo@packmind.EBay.Sun.COM writes:
>Hey!? What happened to the solar sail race that was supposed to be
>for Columbus+500?
There was a recession, and none of the potential entrants could raise any
money. The race organizers were actually supposed to be handling part of
the fundraising, but the less said about that the better.
--
All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology
- Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry
| 14sci.space |
henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes:
> Does anyone have a reference (something I can look up, not just your own
> recollections -- I have a few of those myself) on the temperature of the
> (night) sky as seen from space?
The temperature of intergalactic space (or intercluster or
intersupercluster space) would be very, very close to the microwave
background temperature, 2.73 kelvins. I recall that in interstellar
space in our neighborhood of the galaxy it's something like 4 K.
Is that what you were looking for?
Erik Max Francis, &tSftDotIotE ...!apple!uuwest!max max@west.darkside.com __
USMail: 1070 Oakmont Dr. #1 San Jose, CA 95117 ICBM: 37 20 N 121 53 W / \
If you like strategic games of interstellar conquest, ask about UNIVERSE! \__/
-)(- Omnia quia sunt, lumina sunt. All things that are, are lights. -)(-
| 14sci.space |
To: turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin)
RT> o Those administering the treatment do not know which subjects
RT> receive a placebo or the test treatment.
It seems to me that many drugs have such severe side effects that
it might not be possible to keep the doctors from knowing who is
getting the true drug. This is especially true of the drugs used
for "mental" illnesses.
... My cat is very smart. He has ME well trained.
* Origin: ONE WORLD Los Angeles 310/372-0987 32b (1:102/129.0)
| 13sci.med |
Hi there,
I have a question regarding Quadras VRAM. I have tried to find info on this
but I could not get precise answers.
On one hand, we have a Quadra 950 with a 16" monitor, which is capable of
32-bit color. How much VRAM does it have?
On the other hand, we have a Quadra 800 with a 16" monitor, which is capable
of 8-bit color only, so it must have 512 Ko of VRAM.
I would like to take VRAM SIMMs for the 950 and put them in the 800 so that
both machines have 16-bit color capability.
Is it possible, and if yes, how many VRAM SIMMs should I take from the 950?
From the documentation I have, the Quadra 800 must get 1 Mo VRAM to have
16-bit color, is that correct?
Bonus question: where do VRAM SIMMs hide? From the 950 documentation, they
seem to be *behind* the power supply. Do I really have to take off the power
supply to access the VRAM SIMMs?
Thanks for your help!
--
Daniel Salber, User Interface Research Team, LGI-IMAG, Grenoble, France.
salber@imag.fr
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
In article <Apr.7.01.55.50.1993.22771@athos.rutgers.edu>,
vbv@r2d2.eeap.cwru.edu (Virgilio (Dean) B. Velasco Jr.) wrote:
>
> "We affirm the absolutes of Scripture, not because we are arrogant
> moralists, but because we believe in God who is truth, who has revealed His
> truth in His Word, and therefore we hold as precious the strategic importance
> of those absolutes."
Pardon me, a humble atheist, but exactly what is the difference
between holding a revealed truth with blind faith as its basis (i.e.
regardless of any evidence that you may find to the contrary) as an
absolute truth, fully expecting people to believe you and arrogance?
They sound like one and the same to me.
And nearly every time I meet a christian (or for that matter, any
other theist) who tries to convert me, I find this proven over and over
again.
I see no wisdom whatsoever in your words
Unfaithfully yours,
Pixie
p.s. If you do sincerely believe that a god exists, why do you follow
it blindly?
Do the words "Question Authority" mean anything to you?
I defy any theist to reply.
| 15soc.religion.christian |
In article <MELLON.93Apr15183059@pepper.ncd.com> mellon@ncd.com (Ted Lemon) writes:
>
>>Can someone recommend how to ship a motorcycle from San Francisco
>>to Seattle? And how much might it cost?
>
>I'd recommend that you hop on the back of it and cruise - that's a
>really nice ride, if you choose your route with any care at all.
>Shouldn't cost more than about $30 in gas, and maybe a night's motel
>bill...
>
Yes! Up the coast, over to Portland, then up I-5. Really nice most
of the way, and I'm sure there's even better ways.
Watch the weather, though... I got about as good a drenching as
possible in the Oregon coast range once...
--
::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
Howard Berkey howard@netcom.com
Help!
... .. ... ... .. ... ... .. ... ... .. ... ... .. ... ... .. ...
| 8rec.motorcycles |
In article <93108.025818U28037@uicvm.uic.edu> Jason Kratz <U28037@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>I have heard many opinions on this subject and would like to hear more from
>the people on the net.
>
>Say you're in a situation where you have to pull a gun on somebody. You
>give them a chance to get away but they decided to continue in their
>action anyway and you end up shooting and killing them. My question is
>what do you do? Should you stay and wait for the cops or should you
>collect your brass (if you're using a semi-auto) and get out of there
>(provided of course you don't think that you have been seen)? What kind
>of laws are on the books regarding this type of situation? What would
>be the most likely thing to happen to you if you stayed and waited and
>it was a first offense? What would happen if you took off but someone
>saw you and you were caught?
>
In Massachusetts, you will likely be arrested for murder, but
if you convince the cops/DA that you used lethal force because
of threat of death or serious bodily harm, then the charges
would probably be dropped. If you run away and are later caught,
then you will have a much harder time convincing cops/judge/jury
of your innocence. Going "on the lam" is seen as an indication
of guilt by a lot of people.
--
Jim Lacey -- my own opinions
email: att!cbnewsl!jlacey or jlacey@cbnewsl.cb.att.com
D'ou venons-nous? Que sommes-nous? Ou allons-nous?
| 16talk.politics.guns |
In article <1pf160INNhgd@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (William December Starr) writes:
>
>In article <2011@rwing.UUCP>,
>pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto) said:
>
>> ... And in that case (doing the raid properly), dragging the media
>> along for the show would have resulted in some VERY boring footage,
>> most likely. Why did they haul the media along, then have this sudden
>> change of heart about the media proximity, and move them a couple of
>> miles away, when the romp all went to hell? Because, all of a sudden,
>> they looked like a bunch of buffoons, who tried to put on a show, at
>> the expense of someone who was pretty much someone everybody loves to
>> hate? And their worst-case scenereo, their behavior, justification,
>> and abuse of the rights of the people in the ranch buildings being, is
>> being called to question, and their butts are sticking out a country
>> mile, AND THEY KNOW IT?
>
>Much as I hate to either defend the BATF, even in a small way, or
>disagree with someone who was nice enough to agree with and expand upon
>a posting of mine :-), I have to point out that, as I understand the
>facts, it was the FBI who moved the media back out of observation range.
>
Some of the footage shown on "Street Stories" the other night
showed an ATF agent screaming at the cameraman to "get that
camera out of here" while they were in retreat from the "compound".
I think the same person may have also said to "turn the camera off".
Anyway, it was clear from the comments that the safety of the
cameraman wasn't their paramount concern.
--
==========================================================================
Disclaimer: These are my views, not the U's
"If it's in the paper it must be true!" --- D. Doright
| 18talk.politics.misc |
In article <C4Iozx.7wx@world.std.com> rsilver@world.std.com (Richard Silver) writes:
>I have two questions. Is there any obvious connection between the
>flushed appearance and the migraine? Was I foolish to play through
>the migraine (aside from the visual disturbance affecting my play)?
>I just prefer to ignore it when possible.
>
The flushing is due to vascular dilation, part of a migraine attack.
Some people event get puffy and swollen. As long as you are careful
you can see well enough to avoid getting hit in the face or eye by
the ball, migraine will not hurt your health.
--
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Gordon Banks N3JXP | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and
geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
| 13sci.med |
Jennifer Lynn Urso (ju23+@andrew.cmu.edu) wrote:
:
: well, i have lots of experience with scanning in images and altering
: them. as for changing them back into negatives, is that really possible?
: (stuff deleted)
: jennifer urso: the oh-so bitter woman of utter blahness(but cheerful
: undertones)
I use Aldus Photostyler on the PC and I can turn a colour or black and white
image into a negative or turn a negative into a colour or black and white
image. I don't know how it does it but it works well. To test it I scanned
a negative and used Aldus to create a positive. It looked better than the
print that the film developers gave me.
--
TMC
(tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.ca)
| 1comp.graphics |
Subsets and Splits
No community queries yet
The top public SQL queries from the community will appear here once available.