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We're considering getting a Ford Explorer XLT with 4WD and we have the
following questions (All we would do is go skiing -- no off-roading):
1. With 4WD, do we need the "performance axle" - (limited slip axle).
Its purpose is to allow the tires to act independently when the tires
are on different terrain.
2. Do we need the all-terrain tires (P235/75X15) or will the
all-season (P225/70X15) be good enough for us at Lake Tahoe?
Thanks,
Tom
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In article <1qkf2hINN65c@rave.larc.nasa.gov>, kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov (Scott Dorsey) writes...
>In article <C5JCH1.FrC@ulowell.ulowell.edu> wex@cs.ulowell.edu writes:
>>In article <1993Apr15.100452.16793@csx.cciw.ca>, u009@csx.cciw.ca (G. Stewart Beal) writes:
>>|> > I was wondering if people had any good uses for old
>>|> >256k SIMMs. I have a bunch of them for the Apple Mac
>>|> >and I know lots of other people do to. I have tried to
>>|> >sell them but have gotten NO interest.
>>
Well, if you're willing to spend a little money, you could buy one
of those IDE caching controllers (assuming you have an IDE of course)
and put the 256K SIMMs on them. Hardware cache!
Srikanth
| 12sci.electronics |
I must have missed the postings about Waco, David Koresh, and the Second
Coming. How does one tell if a Second Coming is the real thing, unless the
person claiming to be IT is obviously insane?
I'm not saying that David Koresh is the Second Coming of Christ. How could
somebody who breaks his word be the Second Coming? Koresh did promise that
he would come out of his compound if only he was allowed to give a radio
broadcast. He didn't. Still it seems to me that he did fool some people.
And, from my meagre knowledge of the Bible, it seems that Christians have
been hard on the Jews of Christ's day for being cautious about accepting
somebody that their religious authorities didn't accept as the Messiah.
So I was surprised that nobody had discussed the difficulty of wanting to be
early to recognize the Second Coming while, at the same time, not wanting to
be credulously believing just anybody who claims to be God.
[Mark 13:21 And then if any one says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!'
or 'Look, there he is!' do not believe it.
Mark 13:22 False Christs and false prophets will arise and show signs and
wonders, to lead astray, if possible, the elect.
Mark 13:23 But take heed; I have told you all things beforehand.
Mark 13:24 "But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun will be
darkened, and the moon will not give its light,
Mark 13:25 and the stars will be falling from heaven, and the powers in
the heavens will be shaken.
Mark 13:26 And then they will see the Son of man coming in clouds with
great power and glory.
My understanding of Jesus' answer is that, unlike his first coming,
which was veiled, the second coming will be quite unmistakeable. He's
telling us not to be misled by the other things that have to happen
before his second coming -- the actual second coming will make his
power openly visible.
By the way, from Koresh's public statement it's not so clear to me
that he is claiming to be Christ.
--clh]
| 15soc.religion.christian |
In article <stevedavC5y2Jz.3D7@netcom.com>, stevedav@netcom.com (Steve Davidson) writes:
> Does anyone know the difference between MOOLIT and OLIT? Does Sun
> support MOOLIT? Is MOOLIT available on Sparcstations?
>
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while OLIT only gives you Open Look.
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In article <115686@bu.edu> jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:
>No, I say religious law applies to those who are categorized as
>belonging to the religion when event being judged applies. This
Who does the categorizing?
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| 0alt.atheism |
09 Apr 93, Jill Anne Daley writes to All:
JAD> What exactly is a definition of sin and what are some examples. How does
JAD> a person know when they are committing sin?
To answer briefly: sin is falling short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23)
Steve
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| 15soc.religion.christian |
In <1993May10.212110.3980@serval.net.wsu.edu> d3e758@bucky.pnl.gov (JE Pelkey) writes:
>In article <C6IEM6.16xI@hawnews.watson.ibm.com> artg@watson.ibm.com (Art Goldberg) writes:
>>X gurus:
>>I am looking for a scientific graphing run-time X library. I want my code
>>to open a window, and plot a graph in the window. The library should
>>manage plotting, scaling of axes, labeling, etc.
>>
>>Can someone recommend a library to do this? Please respond via e-mail.
>I would also be interested in this information.
Check into the vopl and vogle libraries. I beleive that I still have
them available on ftp.c-mols.siu.edu but I'm not sure. I haven't seen
any new announcements for the software but I'm sure it's still around.
I have used it to do real-time data display and analysis as well as
just for producing graphs after the fact. It works well and supports
numerous graphics output formats (including X.) I tried it and liked
it. YOu may as well.
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In article <1qkfte$3mh@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes:
>In article <kmr4.1576.734879396@po.CWRU.edu> kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M.
Ryan) writes:>#In article <1qj9gq$mg7@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.
uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes:>#
>#>Is good logic *better* than bad? Is good science better than bad?
>#
># By definition.
>
>True enough. O.K., in the universe we have today, which is better, a science
>that predicts the motion of the planets, and it happens so, or a science
>which predicts that sonic the hedgehog will record an album with Elvis on
>a certain date, and it doesn't happen? Can the answer to this question
>be called objective, or is it a matter of opinion?
Yes:
If one's particular goal is to land a man on the moon, or to
put a communication sattelite into a orbit within which it will operate;
then orbital astronomy will be more important.
However, if one is a particular fan Sonic's singing, or a competator
of Sonic, say Mario and the Toadstools; knowing when he will record an ablum
would be more important.
I fail to see how this is connected in any way, nor where you are
driving too.
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spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope) writes:
>> Any thoughts on who is going to count all of the gorgeous bodies at
>> the MOW? The press? The White House Staff? The most Junior
>> Senator? The King of the motss/bi?
>>
>> Just curious as to whose bias we are going to see when the numbers
>> get brought out.
>
>Probably, law enforcement people (Park Service Police and D.C. cops),
>who will use aerial photographs and extrapolate based on the
>density of the crowd in small regions.
>
>These sort of techniques derive from Army Intelligence and CIA
>methods of estimating troop strength, and tend to be
>methodologically skewed to always come up with inflated numbers,
>so as to justify bigger budgets.
Judging from past experience (the '87 March, a Peace and Justice March the
same year, and 3 different Pro-coice Marches), The Park Service will come out
with an estimate that is approximately 1/2 the estimate that organizers will
come up with - though the last Choice march I went to had a sign-in system,
and the numbers ended up closer. And then you've got the media types in their
helicopters, rolling dice.
I believe the MOW plans and handing out some sort of wristband thingy, and
basing their count on those. I see two problems with this. One, can they
get *everybody* to take one (and only one)? Two, they couldn't possibly have
been able to choose a color/design that won't clash with *somebody's* outfit!
:->
bearpaw
| 18talk.politics.misc |
In article <C67G01.2J1@efi.com>, alanm@efi.com (Alan Morgan) writes:
-| In article <C65oIL.436@vuse.vanderbilt.edu>
-| alex@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Alexander P. Zijdenbos) writes:
-| Okay. Name one single effect that Kirlian photography gives that
-| can't be explained by corona discharge.
Dozens of very funny postings to sci.image.processing
[of which this may not be one :-].
Ata <(|)>
| 13sci.med |
In article <1rrhlo$ajb@access.digex.net>, prb@access.digex.net (Pat) writes:
>
> After all the space walking, they are going to re-boost the HST's
> orbit. I think right now it's sitting at 180 miles up,
> they would like 220.
Where did that idea come from? It's news to me.
Ben
| 14sci.space |
In article <C5pxqs.LM5@darkside.osrhe.uoknor.edu>, bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu
(Bill Conner) wrote:
> As for your question of moral free-agency, given the Christian
> position above, the freedom we have is to acknowledge God. The
> morality we practice is a direct outgrowth of how we excercise that
> freedom. You are free to ignore God in the same way you are free to
> ignore gravity and the consequences are inevitable and well known
> in both cases. That an atheist can't accept the evidence means only
> that he prefers not to accept it, it says nothing about the evidence
> itself.
I agree, I had a hard feeling not believing my grand-grand mother
who told me of elves dancing outside barns in the early mornings.
I preferred not to accept it, even if her statement provided
the truth itself. Life is hard.
Cheers,
Kent
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Hola amigos,
Quiero... I need an answer to a pressing question. I now own two
bikes and would love to keep them both. One is a capable and
smooth street bike, low and lightweight with wide power and great
brakes; the other is a Beemer G/S, kind of rough for the city but
great on the long road and backroad. A good start at a stable, but
I don't think it's going to work. Unfortunately, insurance is going
to pluck me by the short hairs.
Unless... some insurance agent offers a multi-vehicle discount. They
do this all the time for cars, assuming that you're only capable of
driving one of the things at a time. I don't think I'll ever manage
to straddle both bikes and ride them tandem down the street. (Turn left...
accelerate the Zephyr; turn right... accelerate the Beemer.) Does
anybody know of an agency that makes use of this simple fact to
discount your rates? State Farm doesn't.
By the way, I'm moving to the Bay area so I'll be insuring the bikes
there, and registering them. To ease me of the shock, can somebody
guesstimate the cost of insuring a ZR550 and a R800GS? Here in Tucson
they only cost me $320 (full) and $200 (liability only) for the two,
per annum.
Muchas gracias,
Enrique
| 8rec.motorcycles |
This is a test. Thanks.
| 6misc.forsale |
A few random thoughts on riding with a passenger:
There's no substitute for a bike with sufficient power, having taken
passengers very occasionally on the small (125 etc) bikes I used to
ride in the UK it was hard ! I'm now riding a GS1100 and that's great,
even moving from my freinds GSX600 I was riding recently. This may be due
in part to the fact that neither I, nor my regular passengers, are
particularly slimline !
I always tell passengers, stay in line with the bike on corners, that makes
their movements predictable.
My regular passengers both tend to hold either the rack or nothing at all,
I don't really like having a passenger hold onto me except for short periods.
Again that may be biased by the fact that I've had a couple of new passengers
(a friend recently for her first time on a bike) who hold on to me real tight,
making any kind of maneuvering difficult.
I've also discovered that on longer trips I prefer a passenger who moves and
shifts their weight a bit. I recently took a work collegue to a meeting (about
a 1 hour ride) and he sat totally still the whole way which left me also
sitting very still and getting a sore back.
We have a code system for turns, stop and for 'I need to shift position'.
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hanguyen@megatest.com (Ha Nguyen) writes:
>In article <1993Apr14.203800.12566@progress.com> damelio@progress.COM (Stephen D'Amelio) writes:
>>bmoss@grinch.sim.es.com (Brent "Woody" Moss) writes:
>>
>>>You could take a screw driver and hammer and start punching holes in
>>>various locations and when some black slippery stuff starts pouring
>>>out then you would know that the oil drain plug is nearby (within a foot
>>>or two anyway). Close the holes with toilet paper before refileing with oil
>>>though.
>>
>>You have to *refill* the engine with oil! Wow, no wonder I can't get
>>an engine to last more than my first oil change. Don't forget to
>>punch holes in the radiator too, it will spray nice refreshing water
> ^^^^^^^^
>>on the engine and keep it nice & cool. ;-)
>>
>>-Steve
>Gee, you really make me confused. What is radiator? Where is it located?
>What does it look like? Will it release any radiation (since it sounds
>like radia-tion genera-tor) when you punch holes?
Of course it releases radiation! Thats why your car goes faster when
you punch the holes in it. All that radiation gets on your engine
and gives it "pep" (scientific term). You get more horsepower &
torque too! If you don't know what HP & torque are, you can read
mile long threads on the subject, but they are all wrong. Horsepower
is how much power a horse can make pulling a Subaru, and torque is
a name invented by Craftsman for a wrench.
-Steve
| 7rec.autos |
In article <15436@optilink.COM> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes:
> [Some chump at Brandeis:]
>> I mean, how many people actually CARE how many people are gay (as long
>> as you know how to find/avoid them if you want to)? I don't.
> If you don't care, why was so much effort put into promoting the
> 10% lie? Because it was important to scare politicians into
> obedience.
I wouldn't worry too much about it, though. We are starting to find
out how politically impotent homosexuals really are. The Colorado
boycott has fizzled, Slick Willie was effectively prevented from
implementing his military policy wrt homosexuals by members of his
_OWN_ party, this new study casts a large shadow of doubt on their
claims of large numbers, and coming this Saturday they are going to
wind up with _TREMENDOUS_ egg on their face when, I submit, no more
than perhaps 35,000 queers will show up in Washington while they are
promising crowds in the millions. And most of the ones who will be
there will look like ACT-UP and Queer Nation, not the guy working in
the next cubicle. As if that's really going to play in middle
America.
Pretty soon they will find themselves retreating back into the closet
where they belong.
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| 18talk.politics.misc |
Well i'm not sure about the story nad it did seem biased. What
I disagree with is your statement that the U.S. Media is out to
ruin Israels reputation. That is rediculous. The U.S. media is
the most pro-israeli media in the world. Having lived in Europe
I realize that incidences such as the one described in the
letter have occured. The U.S. media as a whole seem to try to
ignore them. The U.S. is subsidizing Israels existance and the
Europeans are not (at least not to the same degree). So I think
that might be a reason they report more clearly on the
atrocities.
What is a shame is that in Austria, daily reports of
the inhuman acts commited by Israeli soldiers and the blessing
received from the Government makes some of the Holocaust guilt
go away. After all, look how the Jews are treating other races
when they got power. It is unfortunate.
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
In <C5tvL2.1In@hermes.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de> hoover@mathematik.uni-bielefeld.de (Uwe Schuerkamp) writes:
>In article <C5t05K.DB6@research.canon.oz.au> enzo@research.canon.oz.au
>(Enzo Liguori) writes:
>> hideous vision of the future. Observers were
>>startled this spring when a NASA launch vehicle arrived at the
>>pad with "SCHWARZENEGGER" painted in huge block letters on the
>This is ok in my opinion as long as the stuff *returns to earth*.
>>What do you think of this revolting and hideous attempt to vandalize
>>the night sky? It is not even April 1 anymore.
>If this turns out to be true, it's time to get seriously active in
>terrorism. This is unbelievable! Who do those people think they are,
>selling every bit that promises to make money?
Well, I guess I'm left wondering just who all the 'light fascists'
think *they* are. Yes, I understand the issues. I don't even
particularly care for the idea. But am I the only one that finds the
sort of overreaction above just a *little* questionable? You must
find things like the Moon *really* obnoxious in their pollution.
A few questions for those frothing at the mouth to ask themselves:
1) How long is this thing supposed to stay up? Sounds like it
would have a *huge* drag area, not a lot of mass, and be in a fairly
low orbit.
2) Just what orbital parameters are we talking about here?
What real impact are we talking about, really? How many optical
astronomers are *really* going to be impacted?
3) Which is more important; adding a few extra days of
'seeing' for (very few) optical astronomers or getting the data the
sensors are supposed to return along with the data for large
inflatables (and the potential there for an inflatable space station)?
The choice would seem to be one or the other, since the advertising is
being used to help fund this thing.
4) If your answer to 3) above was "the astronomers", then feel
free to come up with some other way to fund the (to my mind) more
important research data that would be gained by this WITHOUT SPENDING
ANY MORE OF MY MONEY TO DO IT. In other words, put up or shut up.
>I guess we really
>deserve being wiped out by uv radiation, folks. "Stupidity wins". I
>guess that's true, and if only by pure numbers.
Probably so. I'm just not sure we agree about who the 'stupid' are.
> Another depressed planetary citizen,
> hoover
Yeah, me too.
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| 14sci.space |
Why do spacecraft have to be shut off after funding cuts. For
example, Why couldn't Magellan just be told to go into a "safe"
mode and stay bobbing about Venus in a low-power-use mode and if
maybe in a few years if funding gets restored after the economy
gets better (hopefully), it could be turned on again.
For that matter, why exactly were the Apollo lunar experiments
"turned off" rather than just "safed". Was it political (i.e.
as along as they could be used, someone would keep bugging
congress for funds)? Turning them off keeps them pesky
scientists out of the bureaucrat's hair....
I've heard the argument that an active but "uncontrolled"
spacecraft causes "radio noise." I find that hard to believe
that this could be a problem in a properly designed "safe" mode.
This safe mode could be a program routine which causes the
spacecraft to go to least fuel using orientation, and once a
(week, month, year, whatever) attempts a signal lock on Earth.
At that time, if funding has been restored, the mission can
continue. If no signal is recieved, the spacecraft goes back to
the safe mode for another time period. As we would know when the
spacecraft is going to try to contact Earth, we could be
prepared if necessary.
As another a spacecraft could do at the attempted contact is
beam stored data towards Earth. If someone can receive it,
great, if not, so it's lost and no big deal.
By making the time and signal location generally known, perhaps
someone in the world might be able and willing to intercept the
data even if they're not willing to contact the spacecraft.
I see this as being particularly useful for spacecraft which
could have an otherwise long life and are in or are going to
places which are otherwise unaccessible (Jupiter/Saturn Orbit,
exiting the solar system, etc).
Perhaps those designing future spacecraft (Cassini, Pluto Flyby,
etc) should consider designing in a "pause" mode in case their
spacecraft gets the ax sometime in the future after completion of
the primary mission. Perhaps Mars Observer and Galilleo could
have some kind of routine written in for the post mission
"drift" phase.
So any holes in all this?
/~~~(-: James T. Green :-)~~~~(-: jgreen@oboe.calpoly.edu :-)~~~\
| "I believe that this nation should commit itself to achieving |
| the goal, before this decade is out, of landing a man on the |
| Moon and returning him safely to the Earth." |
| <John F. Kennedy; May 25, 1961> |
| 14sci.space |
To: Newsgroups: sci.space
From: jim.mcnelly@hal9k.com (Jim McNelly)
Message-ID: <C5wAnC.7rB@cck.coventry.ac.uk>
Organization: The McNelly Group, Composting Consultants
@mojo.eng.umd.edu>
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1993 17:16:24 CDT
Marvin Batty dfj@uk.ac.cov.cck writes:
MB>Also, what about bio-engineered CO2 absorbing plants instead of many LOX bot
MB>?
I wonder why the term "bio-engineered" was added to the comment? As I
review the problems of Space Biosphere2 in Arizona, and work on
modelling a new composting/vermiculture system to propose for the next
generation of closed system environments, I believe that biological
carbon sinks are essential to help regulate CO2. In my models, humus is
an optimum carbon repository that can help buffer increases in
atmpospheric CO2. Why consider "bio-engineering" some mythical plant
when the existing organisms are well suited to the task if managed
properly?
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| 14sci.space |
In article <strnlghtC5t3nH.Is1@netcom.com> strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes:
>In article <1993Apr20.032623.3046@eff.org> kadie@eff.org (Carl M. Kadie) writes:
>
>
>>So, don't just think of replacements for clipper, also think of front
>>ends.
>
>This only makes sense if the government prohibits alternative non-escrowed
>encryption schemes. Otherwise, why not just use the front end without
>clipper?
Because everyone but you expects that making alternative methods of
encryption illegal is the next step. Otherwise the Cripple chip is
utterly worthless. It should be obvious that
a) the Cripple Chip is aimed at spying on ordinary citizens
OR
b) that other forms of encryption will soon be illegal.
smg
| 11sci.crypt |
In article <nielsmm-150493114522@nanna.imv.aau.dk>
nielsmm@imv.aau.dk (Niels Mikkel Michelsen) writes:
>From: nielsmm@imv.aau.dk (Niels Mikkel Michelsen)
>Subject: How to act in front of traffic jerks
>Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1993 08:54:34 GMT
>The other day, it was raining cats and dogs, therefor I was going only to
>the speed limit, on nothing more, on my bike. This guy in his BMW was
>driving 1-2 meters behind me for 7-800 meters and at the next red light I
>calmly put the bike on its leg, walked back to this car, he rolled down the
>window, and I told him he was a total idiot (and the reason why).
>Did I do the right thing?
It works for me. I avoid obscenities, and try to remain calm cool and
collected, and try something like, "You almost just killed me, and I'm not
moving until you apologize." or something more or less benign like that. I
haven't been shot a single time, but I don't do it in Texas, and I do only
do it when there are plenty of witnesses around.
Steve
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Microbiology SC-42 Phone: (206) 543-2820
University of Washington FAX: (206) 543-8297
Seattle, WA 98195
| 8rec.motorcycles |
In article <20APR93.15151474@vax.clarku.edu>, hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu
writes...
>nflynn@wvnvms.wvnet.edu writes:
>>However, what is with this policy of trying to speed up the games.
>I agree with Nick. What's the big deal about long games? If you want
>to watch baseball, there's that much more baseball to watch. And yes,
>baseball includes the space between plays as well as the plays themselves.
I hesitate to make assumptions about other people when they write, but
neither of you two *sound* as though you have kids, and you may not have
spouses either.
Consider a night game starting at 7:05 PM EST. (It was 7:35 last year,
but Cleveland showed what I thought was good sense in pushing it back.)
I go, and I'm into it until 11 PM minimum. Extra innings could put me
well past midnight. Even without extra innings, if the score is beyond
2-1 I can't see my family that night at all. If the next day is a workday,
I may have to bag that as well. Further, the later the game goes, the
colder it gets on the shore of Lake Erie.
All that stuff enters into my consideration of even going to a game. If
you say you don't care about whether the game is sped up, IMPO you are
saying you don't care where the time goes, and that the game is for people
who don't have families and don't have to get up for work the next day.
RG
"I can play me better than anyone. There's only one of me."
- Barry Bonds, on playing himself in two movies
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
In article <3090@shaman.wv.tek.com>, andrew@frip.WV.TEK.COM (Andrew Klossner) wr
ites:
>[]
>
> "Can I ask. Have any of you been at the speed of 130? It's a
> rush."
>
>So is cocaine. What's your point?
>
> -=- Andrew Klossner (andrew@frip.wv.tek.com)
>Don't know about the cocaine, but....
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Jesus was born a Jew. We have biblical accounts of
both his mother's ancestry and his father's, both tracing back
to David. It seems reasonable to assume, therefore, that Jesus
was Semitic.
As an interesting aside, Jesus' being semitic makes him
neither "white" nor "black," and in some sense underscores the
point made earlier that his color was not important, it was his
message, his grace, and his divinity that we should concentrate
on.
Finally, I would direct anyone interested in African
involvement in the church to the account of the conversion of
the Ethiopian eunuch in Acts chapter 9 (I think it's chapter
9). This is one of the earliest conversions, and the eunuch,
treasurer to the queen of the Ethiopians, was definitely
African. Because "Ethiopia" at that time indicated a region
just south of Egypt, many also speculate that this man was not
only the first African Christian, but the first black Christian
as well.
God bless,
Charles Campbell
| 15soc.religion.christian |
(MODERATOR: THIS IS A REPLACEMENT FOR AN EARLIER, MORE CLUMSILY WORDED
SUBMISSION ON THE SAME TOPIC WHICH I SUBMITTED A FEW MINUTES AGO.)
I think we need to distinguish etymology from meaning. Regardless of
how the word 'Easter' *originated*, the fact is that it does not *now*
mean anything to Christians other than 'the feast day of the Resurrection
of Jesus Christ'.
The meaning of a word is _only_ what people understand it to mean.
And the same goes for other cultural practices. The festival of Easter
may possibly have some historical association with some pagan festival,
but *today* there are, as far as I know, no Christians who *intend* to
honor any kind of "pagan goddess" by celebrating Easter.
It is nonsense to say "this word (or this practice) 'really' means so-
and-so even though nobody realizes it." Words and practices don't mean
things, people do.
(This is basic semantics; I'm a linguist; they pay me to think about
things like this.)
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[Further, Easter is specific to English. In many other languages,
the word used is based on Passover or resurrection. Is it OK to
celebrate it in countries using those languages, but not in those
using English? --clh]
| 15soc.religion.christian |
In article <C5yqDE.Cq0@ecf.toronto.edu> gladman@ecf.toronto.edu (GLADMAN AVIV) writes:
>
>In order to emit blue light, a semiconductor must have a band gap energy
>within the region of 2.6 to 2.8 electron Volts. According to my physical
>electronics prof, you can't get an LED with that band gap. That's why you
>don't find blue LEDs or, for that matter, some other colour of LEDs. That
>is not to say that blue LEDs can't be found. I've seen 'blue' LEDs sold,
>but they were just your typical visible light LED in a blue plastic covering.
>They didn't emit very much light...
Um...
1) Your Professor if just plain wrong. Although blue LEDs are one heck of
a lot less efficient than red ones.
2) "Typical visible light LEDs" don't really exist. LEDs have a fairly
narrow region of transmittence. (Since the Fermi energy around either side
of the band gap falls off exponentially, blah, blah...)
>Source: Solid State Electronic Devices (Ben G. Streetman, 3d ed., Prentice
>Hall)
You might want to check the copyright date on that. :-)
Blue LEDs most certainly do exist, I've got a bunch at work. Cree Research
makes them (probably along with other companies... Cree is big in
materials science, though; they advertise in the stuff like Physics Today,
etc.). You can buy them from JameCo (I think), DigiKey (definitely), and
plenty of other distributors.
Actually, these days you _can_ get a "typical visible light" LED -- it's
called a "rainbow LED", and I've forgotten who makes it (they advertise in
EDN and many of the other trade rags, though). It combines a reg, green,
and blue LED all on one chip (and has four leads). Nifty device, although
it's probably fairly expensive.
---Joel Kolstad
| 12sci.electronics |
When riding in a group, generally speaking, do most people mind when
another rider tags along?
I had the distinct feeling I may not have been welcome when I tagged
along with a group last weekend.
Jon
Faults are like car headlights. Those of others seem more glaring than our own.
| 8rec.motorcycles |
In article <C5G1CE.8Is@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> achar@ecn.purdue.edu (Lakshminarayana Achar) writes:
<Could some tell me how to print characters over ASCII 127 on a laser
<printer? After being thrilled on being able to create them on my
<screen, my enthusiasm has somewhat died down due to this setback.
Well, more information is required...
1) What computer are you using?
2) What operating system are you using?
3) What kind of printer are you using?
a) PostScript?
b) HP-PCL?
etc.
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russest@ampex.com (Steve Russell) writes:
{deletions}
> the "attached" fans look slick and work well but I'm bothered by the potential
> loss of cooling if the fan goes out. at least with the power supply fan you
> can reach back there every few days and feel the fan blowing.
>
Yes, this is a valid concern IMHO. With the directly attached fan units I've
seen, it looks like if the fan were to stop the chip cooling would be
a good bit worse than no heat sink at all. In other words, if the fan stops
the unit turns into an insulator and the chip might get hot enough to
suffer permanent damage, not just stop working temporarily.
> I prefer to put a stock fan off the drive brackets or front panel
> to blow air across the cpu - depends a lot on case and board layout, though.
>
My Zeos 486DX2/66 (tower case) has a passive heat sink on the cpu, and it's
located so the front fan, which sucks air into the case, blows right on the
heat sink. If that fan stops the heat sink is still cooled by convection air
flow so should not see too dramatic a temperature rise. Essentially the
arrangement you're talking about and a good idea IMHO.
> on-chip fans from Fry's Electronics in the SF Bay Area are about 30.00. I
> get the stock power supply fans for about 11.00.
>
> -steve
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In article <1r67ruINNmle@ctron-news.ctron.com> king@ctron.com (John E. King) writes:
>> ... Am I correct, then, in assuming that that Josephus did in
>> fact write about Jesus, but Christian copists embellished it?
In article <1993Apr23.134601.377@ulysses.att.com> mls@ulysses.att.com (Michael L. Siemon) writes:
> "Correct" overstates the case. The whole point of the discussions
> has been that it is *reasonable* to assume that there was some brief
> reference to Jesus that has been doctored. By consensus, this is
> the *most* reasonable of the proposed solutions -- but not so much
> so as to rule out complete fabrication.
It is worth noting that the dozen or so references to Jesus
outside of Christian scripture provide us *no* evidence of what
he taught or what he did beyond the fact that the early
Christians claimed him as their founder. All of the writers must
have received their information from the early Christians,
perhaps second or third hand. None of these references give any
hint that the writers had any independent information about
Jesus.
These references do show that the early Christians were having an
influence, at least enough to earn a few lines here and there in
other peoples' writings. But the typical use to which they are
put by some Christian apologists, in making psuedo-historical
arguments a la Josh, is totally specious.
Russell
| 19talk.religion.misc |
In article <1r76v3$64f@transfer.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes:
>In article <1r6oim$3qk@network.ucsd.edu>, spl@szechuan.ucsd.edu (Steve Lamont) writes:
>> In article <1r6a50$ln4@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aj359@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Christopher C. Morton) writes:
>
>> >In a previous article, spl@pitstop.ucsd.edu (Steve Lamont) says:
>
>> >>The Comsymp ZOG wants you to think that it is the only legitimate
>> > ^^^
>> >>possessor of nuclear weapons.
>
>Funny. The only two anti-semitic slurs I've ever seen on this newsgroup
>(t.p.g) were this one, and one from Holly Silva, the gun control advocate.
>
>This is neither wit or satire. The point it succeeds in making is not one
>I suspect that the poster intended to make.
Sigh.
The use of the term ZOG (which, I understand, stands for Zionist
Occupation Government, or some such bullshit) was used for satiric
purpose. Since the posting I was responding to was on alt.conspiracy,
among other crossposted groups, I composed a satiric message
using jargon sometimes found on that group. I figured that the
content (and context) of the message was so absurd that no one would
take any part of it completely seriously.
If anyone believes that I am an anti-semite, it will be news to my
Jewish boss and his Israeli wife, both of whom I am on cordial terms
with as well as as the many Jews that I have been friends, companions,
and co-workers with over the years. Not to mention, news to me.
As far as guns go... I support the Bill of Rights -- all of it -- and
if you wish to arm yourself to the teeth, by all means, do so.
However, the concept of a .50 calibre machine gun as a sporting weapon
(for target practice or otherwise) struck, and continues to strike me
as moderately absurd, even if constitutionally protected.
To each their own.
spl
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- Bumper strip seen on I-805
| 18talk.politics.misc |
In article <222834@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com>, maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes:
|>
|> One of those "morning, just getting the coffee in me" thoughts:
|>
|> Waving at other bikers makes more sense than just "Hey, how's it going,
|> nice to meet you on the road, have a good ride"
|>
|> 1) If you're watching for other bikes to wave to, it means your attention
|> is on the road, where it should be, and you're more likely to see cages.
|>
|> 2) It keeps you in the habit of watching really carefully for bikes when
|> you're IN a cage. This is a Good Thing.
The down side is that when I'm in my cage, I have on numerous occasions
slammed my hand into the rolled up window in an effort to wave at
a passing biker. Ow.
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ab4z@Virginia.EDU ("Andi Beyer") writes:
> I have just started reading the articles in this news
>group. There seems to be an attempt by some members to quiet
>other members with scare tactics. I believe one posting said
>that all postings by one person are being forwarded to his
>server who keeps a file on him in hope that "Appropriate action
>might be taken".
> I don't know where you guys are from but in America
>such attempts to curtail someones first amendment rights are
>not appreciated. Here, we let everyone speak their mind
>regardless of how we feel about it. Take your fascistic
>repressive ideals back to where you came from.
Freedom of speech does not mean that others are compelled to give one
the means to speak publicly. Some systems have regulations
prohibiting the dissemination of racist and bigoted messages from
accounts they issue.
Apparently, that's not the case with virginia.edu, since you are still
posting.
--
Alan H. Stein astein@israel.nysernet.org
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
In article <1993Apr5.182411.7621@midway.uchicago.edu> dsoconne@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>First of all as far as I know, only male homosexuality is explicitly
>mentioned in the bibles, so you're off the hook there,
Actually, there is one condemnation of lesbian acts in the Bible, Romans
1:26.
I think. In
>any event, there are *plenty* of people in many denominations who
>do not consider a person's sexual identification of gay/lesbian/bisexual
>as an "immoral lifestyle choice"
There are plenty who don't read the Bible.
Or pray for that matter.
Link Hudson.
| 19talk.religion.misc |
I envision incorporation of new standart into
various communication systems, thus making it prevalent on the market &
therefore cheap. The way to do that may be detaching crypto chip from
communication equipment. It seems logical to provide Clipper chip
to the end-user not as a part of phone, fax, modem & like but in the
form of smart-card compatible with various telecomm. products. Banks
will encourage extensive use of new cards to make transactions by phone.
Natural step will be to cross-reference this card to the person in the
government databases - or else this new version of "wiretap proposal"
make no sence at all; one wish to eavesdrop (spell.) on the particular
person, not on the particular modem or phone.
As a side note, I disagree with one poster, who said he won't care about
ability of the government to eavesdrop, since they can do that now
anyway. Clipper will take away electronic survelliance from citizens,
making it monopoly of the government. May be, we can find examples when
interceptions made by (unauthorised) people uncovered crimes of
state officials ?
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| 6misc.forsale |
news@cbnewsk.att.com writes:
>Arrogance is arrogance. It is not the result of religion, it is the result
>of people knowing or firmly believing in an idea and one's desire to show
>others of one's rightness. I assume that God decided to be judge for our
>sake as much as his own, if we allow him who is kind and merciful be the
>judge, we'll probably be better off than if others judged us or we judged
>ourselves. ^^^^^^ ^^^ ^^ ^^ ^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^
1 Cor 11:31-32 "But if we judged ourselves, we would not come under judgment.
When we are judged by the ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^ Lord, we are being discipled so
that we will not be condemned with the world."
1 Cor 5:3 "Even though I am not physically present, I am with you in spirit.
And I have already passed judgment on the one who did this, just as if I were
present." ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^
1 Cor 2:15-16 "The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he
himself is not ^^^^^^^^^ subject to any man's ^^^ judgement: 'For
who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct him?' But we have the
mind of Christ."
Jude :14-15 "Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men: 'See,
the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones to judge
everyone, and to ^^^^ convict all the ungodly of ^^^ ^^^^ ^^^^ ^^ ^^^^^ all
the ungodly acts they have done in the ungodly way, and of all the harsh words
ungodly sinners have spoken against him.'"
Arrogance is a sin. Although a desire to show others of one's rightness may
be a sign of arrogance in some cases, it may be only a sign that they are
following the Bible in others:
Jude :22-23 "Be merciful to those who doubt; snatch others from the fire and
save them; to others show mercy, mixed with ^^^^^^ fear -- hating ^^^^ even
^^^^ the clothing stained by corrupted flesh."
>If I find someone arrogant, I typically don't have anything to do with them.
I hope you don't find me arrogant, then. This sounds like a bad practice --
ignoring what certain people say because you perceive them as arrogant.
James 1:19 "My dear brothers, take note of this: Everyone should be quick to
listen, slow to speak and slow to become angry,"
- Aaron
| 15soc.religion.christian |
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| 6misc.forsale |
In article <1ppsceINNdsr@aludra.usc.edu> sgoldste@aludra.usc.edu (Fogbound Child) writes:
>
>Jack, I happen to be Jewish and have some serious problems with the whole
>situation in Israel. But your exaggerations and commentary certainly don't help
>to support your viewpoint. Here, for example, you are conflating two separate
>stories, and exaggerating both of them.
If I have confused two different stories, it was an honest mistake but I do
not see why it becomes an exageration of either. They both took place and
are both equally disgusting behavior for any country, let alone one that
brags constantly about democracy.
If more of YOU PEOPLE would speak out instead of just hiding your disgust
in the closet, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
Having said, you have my heartfelt thanks and admiration for even saying
what you have said already. I suspect, you will be getting more hate
mail than support.
Thanks,
js
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
In article <C5wKx1.Frv@news.iastate.edu> schauf@iastate.edu (Brian J Schaufenbuel) writes:
>What tube does the Viewsonic 17 use? Does is support 1600x1280? I've been
>looking a a Philips 1762DT which uses a Sony Trinitron tube, has digital
>controls, supports up to 1280x1024NI, and has .25mm dot pitch - It can be
>found for under $1000.
Do you mean the ViewSonic 7? It uses a Matsushita tube. The Computer
Shopper review faults it for having below average sharpness and for
lacking some controls (pincushioning, degaussing, convergence and color).
It was the lowest priced monitor in the test, and did have good center
to edge focus.
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
In article <1r0fpv$p11@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de>
frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes:
(Deletion)
># Point: Morals are, in essence, personal opinions. Usually
>#(ideally) well-founded, motivated such, but nonetheless personal. The
>#fact that a real large lot of people agree on some moral question,
>#sometimes even for the same reason, does not make morals objective; it
>#makes humans somewhat alike in their opinions on that moral question,
>#which can be good for the evolution of a social species.
>
>And if a "real large lot" (nice phrase) of people agree that there is a
>football on a desk, I'm supposed to see a logical difference between the two?
>Perhaps you can explain the difference to me, since you seem to see it
>so clearly.
>
(rest deleted)
That's a fallacy, and it is not the first time it is pointed out.
For one, you have never given a set of morals people agree upon. Unlike
a football. Further, you conveniently ignore here that there are
many who would not agree on tghe morality of something. The analogy
does not hold.
One can expect sufficiently many people to agree on its being a football,
while YOU have to give the evidence that only vanishing number disagrees
with a set of morals YOU have to give.
Further, the above is evidence, not proof. Proof would evolve out of testing
your theory of absolute morals against competing theories.
The above is one of the arguments you reiterate while you never answer
the objections. Evidence that you are a preacher.
Benedikt
| 0alt.atheism |
In article <C5owvs.pr@world.std.com>, Internet Surfer writes:
> Does any one know if the 6551 is timing/pin compatible with the 6551..
No, the 6551A is able to operate in a 2 MHz system, the 6551 can only
take 1 MHz without problems.
If you see a 8551 made by MOS or CSG, take it, its a 6551A.
> It seems the 6551 has in iheirent bug with cts/rts handshaking and i need
> a suitable pin replacement to put in my serial card... possibly a buffered
> version perhaps?
I know no fixed version of the 6551. There are different possibilities
to work around this bug. The easiest is to tie _CTS to GND and
use _DSR or _DCD as _CTS. It should be easy to fix the software,
_DSR is bit 6 and DCD ist bit 5 of the Status Register (Read 6551
with RS1 = low and RS0 = high).
Using the _CTS-line can lead into big trouble. The 6551 _instantly_
stops transmission if _CTS goes high. This means, that you may
get only a half byte...
Gerrit
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| 12sci.electronics |
Intel also makes some neat memory and peripheral chips:
Old technology (early 1980's)
8155 ram plus IO (slow ram as I recall)
8755 eprom plus IO (expensive and slow)
Intel does make Eproms with built in address latches.
I fear that you would need a very flexible and up-to-date eprom
programmer to write to them.
give them a call. I am not able to locate their memory products book
yet.
Sigh... Now, who borrowed it...
Robert
| 12sci.electronics |
Hi,
I have a problem, I hope some of the 'gurus' can help me solve.
Background of the problem:
I have a rectangular mesh in the uv domain, i.e the mesh is a
mapping of a 3d Bezier patch into 2d. The area in this domain
which is inside a trimming loop had to be rendered. The trimming
loop is a set of 2d Bezier curve segments.
For the sake of notation: the mesh is made up of cells.
My problem is this :
The trimming area has to be split up into individual smaller
cells bounded by the trimming curve segments. If a cell
is wholly inside the area...then it is output as a whole ,
else it is trivially rejected.
Does any body know how thiss can be done, or is there any algo.
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Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks,
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| 1comp.graphics |
In article <1993Apr21.182127.23528@advtech.uswest.com>
steven@advtech.uswest.com ( Steve Novak) writes:
>> = "David R. Sacco" writes:
>>Some
>>people even raised protests when we had a moment of silence for a class
>>member who had tragically died, saying this implied endorsing religion.
>Because, of course, that possibility existed. Meaning any student who
>really gave a shit could have a moment of silence on his/her own, which
>makes more sense than forcing those who DON'T want to participate to
>have to take part. What other reason is there for an organized "moment
>of silence"?
A "moment of silence" doesn't mean much unless *everyone*
participates. Otherwise it's not silent, now is it?
Non-religious reasons for having a "moment of silence" for a dead
classmate: (1) to comfort the friends by showing respect to the
deceased , (2) to give the classmates a moment to grieve together, (3)
to give the friends a moment to remember their classmate *in the
context of the school*, (4) to deal with the fact that the classmate
is gone so that it's not disruptive later.
Blindly opposing everything with a flavor of religion in it is
utterly idiotic.
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Abortions should be safe, legal, early, and rare.
| 19talk.religion.misc |
On a Los Angeles radio station last weekend, the lawyers for the
family of the MURDERED rancher said that the Los Angeles Sheriff's
Department had an assessment done of the rancher's property before
the raid.
This strongly implies that the sheriff's department wanted the property;
any drugs (which were not found) were only an excuse.
In Viet Nam, Lt Calley was tried and convicted of murder because his
troops, in a war setting, deliberately killed innocent people. It is time
that the domestic law enforcement agencies in this country adhere to
standards at least as moral as the military's.
Greed killed the rancher, possibly greed killed the Davidian children.
Government greed.
It is time to prosecute the leaders who perform these invasions.
Fred Franceschi (These are my own opinions!)
| 16talk.politics.guns |
Jenny Anderson (jennya@well.sf.ca.us) wrote:
: medtronic.COM (Dale M. Skiba) entirely missed my point in my previous
: posting, in which I wrote:
: : firmly on the western coast of the Med. You can bet IUm gonna keep this
: baby
: >My my my, such double standards. You neglected to give any primary sources
: >for your book, _Encyclopedia of the Bible_. Are we to expect that source
: >to be as unbiased as the other sources... MR. Butler *DID* give at least
: >one source, you have given none.
: REPLY
: It was a JOKE. The Readers digest _Encyclopedia of the Bible_ was the most
: outrageously bogus *authority* I could dredge from my shelves.
: I was trying to point out that going to some encyclopedia, rather than
: original or scholarly sources is a BIG MISTAKE in procedure. I am glad
: to note that Butler and DeCesno are arguing about substance now,
: rather than about arguing.
I guess the joke was on me... I am so used to seeing bogus stuff
posted here that I assumed that yours was necessarily the same.
--
Dale Skiba
| 19talk.religion.misc |
...hm, I've found the DTK customer support BBS - anyone
know if Magitronic run one too?
(Hands up all those that have possibly useful cards made by
either manufacturer and no docs or drivers! <g>)
Please Email me directly if you happen to have a number.
Lee (lee@tosspot.sv.com)
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
In article <C5n1Mu.I2q@dscomsa.desy.de> hallam@zeus02.desy.de writes:
>The bombing of Tripoli was justified on the grounds that the Lybians had
>arranged the bombing of a German nightclub, This bombing is now recognised
>as having been arranged by Syria. Surely this makes the bombing of Tripoli
>itself a terrorist action since it was a reprisal taken out against a
>civilian population in order to intimidate their government into a change
>of policy?
Roughly one-half of Noam Chomsky's slim volume "Pirates and Emperors" is
devoted to pointing out the terrorist nature of the (legally and morally)
unjustified bombing of Libya, in just these terms. Alas, Chomsky is too
truthful to be permitted to write for the major US newspapers.
>One of the lessons we should have learned from the second world war is
>that supporting one dictator against another is a not a solution.
>
>Phill Hallam-Baker
Chomsky has also been saying this for many years, but it is far too moral a
principle for the US government to follow.
--
Dave Kohr CS Graduate Student Univ. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Work: 3244 DCL, (217)333-6561 Home: (217)359-9350 E-mail: drk@cs.uiuc.edu
"One either has none or not enough."
| 18talk.politics.misc |
> Nonsense! I wasn't asked if Larry O'Brien should trust Nixon with his keys,
>but whether I would.
Well, that explains it. The government has no real need to spy on people
who already love Big Brother; it's the people who are inclined to talk
back who need to be watched.
| 11sci.crypt |
rickc@wrigley.corp.sgi.com (Richard Casares) writes:
>In article <115331@bu.edu>, icop@csa.bu.edu (Antonio Pera) writes:
>|>
>|> The presence of the new team in Miami(I can't say South Florida;
>|> it's too long) makes me think of an interesting question. Can you sell
>|> the Hispanic community on Hockey? Miami is 60-70% Hispanic. This
>|> community
>|> has no experience and no previous exposure to Hockey that I know of.
>|> The
>|> teams in NY and LA which also have big Hispanic groups do not seem to
>|> try
>|> to woo this group. What will Miami do? Could they get Spanish-language
>|> tv and radio coverage?
>|>
>You'll have a hard time selling any sport to a community that
>can't play it on account of availability or financial reasons.
>Hockey is pretty much a sport for the white and well off.
Well, suffice to say that it is a sport for those able to make the
substantial investment in equipment, etc. But here's something, do
you think that the availability of in-line skates and road hockey
could contribute to a rise in awareness of ice hockey? I would
argue this is having an effect here. Kids play ice hockey in the
winter and road hockey in the summer with in-line skates.
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
noah@apple.com (Noah Price) writes:
>In article <1qm2hvINNseq@shelley.u.washington.edu>,
>tzs@stein2.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith) wrote:
>>
>> > ATTENTION: Mac Quadra owners: Many storage industry experts have
>> > concluded that Mac Quadras suffer from timing irregularities deviating
>> > from the standard SCSI specification. This results in silent corruption
>> > of data when used with some devices, including ultra-modern devices.
>> > Although I will not name the devices, since it is not their fault...
>That's fine, but would you name the "industy experts" so I can try to track
>this down?
Who knows... I just quoted what was "written" in SCSI Director...
>> This doesn't sound right to me. Don't Quadras use the 53C96? If so, the
>> Mac has nothing to do with the SCSI timing. That's all handled by the
>> chip.
>Yup. That's why I'm kinda curious... most SCSI problems I've encountered
>are due to cabling.
I've tried calling Transoft Corp about this and have either gotten the
response "Huh?" to "Yep" to "Nah"... You would expect that a damaging state-
ment like this would have _some_ "data" to back it up...
Anyone want Transoft's phone number?
--
Jim Jagielski | "And he's gonna stiff me. So I say,
jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov | 'Hey! Lama! How about something,
NASA/GSFC, Code 734.4 | you know, for the effort!'"
Greenbelt, MD 20771 |
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
The good news is we just got two Sparc10's. The bad news is
that /dev/cgtwelve0 is apparently not supported in X11R4 or
X11R5. Does anyone know of a patch (and how I can obtain it)
to either X version that will enable us to use X11 on our
Sparc10's?
adTHANKSvance
Gina
| 5comp.windows.x |
In article <1993Apr26.204319.11231@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, eas3714@ultb.isc.rit.edu (E.A. Story) writes:
=In article <1rgrsvINNmpr@gap.caltech.edu> carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU writes:
=>Greg:Flame definitely intended here. Bill was making fun of the misspelling.
=>Go look up the word "krill." Also, the correct spelling is Kirlian. It
=>involves taking photographs of corona discharges created by attaching the
=>subject to a high-voltage source, not of some "aura." It works equally well
=>with inanimate objects.
=
=True.. but what about showing the missing part of a leaf? Is this
="corona discharge"?
Yup. The demonstration to which you refer consists of placing a leaf between
the plates, and taking a Kirlian photograph of it. You then cut off part of
the leaf, put the top plate back on, and take another Kirlian photograph. You
see pretty much the same image in both cases. Turns out the effect isn't
nearly so striking if you take the trouble to clean the plates between
photographs. Seems that the moisture from the leaf that you left on the place
conducts electricity. Surprise, surprise!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL
Disclaimer: Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS. That's what I get paid for. My
understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below). So
unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my
organization responsible for it. If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to
hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it.
| 13sci.med |
I've recently moved from Unix to a DOS box and have a number of files
that I used crypt to "protect". Does anyone know of a DOS version of
crypt? I've found one, but it insists on six letter keys and I used
some shorter ones. Thanks for your help. -- Doug
| 11sci.crypt |
In article <C5nz60.99z@scraps.uucp>, Frank Holden KA3UWW writes:
> >I'm looking for an IC that will convert RS232 voltage levels to TTL voltage
> >levels. Something relatively inexpensive would be nice, too. Anyone have
> >a suggestion?? Thanks.
>
> Well it looks as if Digi-Key sells a chip with the number ICL232 that does what
> you want. They are selling it for about $3.50...
Are you sure that he needs a two way converter? If he wants only
RS232->TTL I would suggest the MC1489, its very cheap (0.80 DM in
Germany). This chip needs only +5V. The MC1488 TTL->RS232-Converter
uses +12V and -12V.
BTW... The MAX232 and compatibles seem to be expensive in the USA...
I paid 2.95 DM for a ITS80272 (made by Harris), its absolutely
compatible with the MAX232 or the ICL232.
Gerrit
--
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Logical adresses: UUCP: gerrit@laosinh.stgt.sub.org FIDO: (2:2407/106.9)
If we will ever be visited by Aliens, it will be very hard to explain, why a
lifeform, that is intelligent enough to build atomic weapons can be stupid
enough to do it. (taken from GEO special about space, page 88-91)
| 12sci.electronics |
visser@convex.com (Lance Visser) writes:
>In <1993Apr19.223257.24652@teetot.acusd.edu> jerry@teetot.acusd.edu (Jerry Stratton) writes:
>happen. It seems that what they were trying to do was get the
>children out. The idea was that ramming the compound with the
>tank and pouring in tear gas was supposed to send all the "mothers"
>fleeing outside with their children.
If any reliance was put on women's "mothering instinct" in an official
explanation of a govt. action during a Republican administration, would
it generate so few complaints? (as opposed to complaints about the action
itself)
--
"Spending programs are now 'investments,' taxes are 'contributions,' and
these are the same people who say _I_ need a dictionary?" - Dan Quayle 2/19/93
My employer is not responsible for ANYTHING that may appear above.
| 18talk.politics.misc |
slc@a2.cim.cdc.com (Steve Chesney x4662) writes:
>* if I create a windowed MS-DOS session (386 mode), when the text starts
> to scroll, rather than printing characters it starts to print
> horizontal lines that spill out to the desktop and trash the entire
> display. Ctrl-alt-del terminates the dos window and restores the
> desktop
It is a bug in the driver (the first driver (containing _many_ other bugs)
didn't had this problem). You can work around by disabling the hardware
scroll of the card.
Just type "24xmode scrolloff" before starting windows.
Jan
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| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
In article <79895@cup.portal.com>, Thyagi@cup.portal.com (Thyagi Morgoth
NagaSiva) wrote:
> They are considered different and largely unrelated by a number of
> sources. I've seen documentation which links them through the figure
> of H. Spencer Lewis. Lewis was apparently involved with Reuss, who
> was the O.H.O. of Ordo Templi Orientis for many years. Apparently it
> is also true that Lewis had a charter to form an O.T.O. body and then
> created A.M.O.R.C. (as a subsidiary? an interesting question).
If anyone is interested in the history of AMORC, I do think Spencer
Lewis published books about the beginning and his mission. The
Alexandria bookstore (that's the name of the book store operated
by AMORC) should have a selection that should provide the interested
reader more insight).
Cheers,
Kent
---
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| 19talk.religion.misc |
It did it again. This morning, my 88 Ford Ranger was idling at 10,000 RPM.
Ok, so I exaggerated a little, but it was idling very fast. It has a 2
liter carburated engine in it, and no blipping of the throttle would
cause the idle to drop back to normal (I don't think the linkage is stuck).
What can I do to fix this problem? This has been a problem from time to
time, but has straightened itself out - until now. I don't have a tach,
but by gauging by the sound of the engine, it is idling about twice as fast
as it should be. This is down from what it was idling at when I pulled up
at a stop light.
Many thanks for any suggestions.
- les
--
Les Bartel I'm going to live forever
Intergraph Corporation ... or die trying
Electronics Division
ljbartel@ingr.com
or ljbartel@naomi.b23b.ingr.com
(205) 730-8537
| 7rec.autos |
In article <C5yDwp.6G0@ncube.com> bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) writes:
>
>Curiously (and consider these are test
>vehicles), I found the Mercury higher
>in build quality than the Nissan.
>
This is very curious being that they are both built by Mercury in the
very same factory.
Steve
Stephen Yavorski internet - yavo@ivy.paramax.com
NEXRAD Integration phone - (215) 443 - 7500
Paramax Systems Corporation
Ivyland, Pennsylvania
| 7rec.autos |
In article <1993Apr5.213032.26844@pmafire.inel.gov> russ@pmafire.inel.gov (Russ Brown) writes:
>In article <1pq6bl$9rj@news.ysu.edu> ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) writes:
>>Has anybody noticed that Toyota has an uncanny knack for designing horrible
>>ugly station wagons? Tercels, Corollas, Camrys. Have their designers no
>>aesthetic sense at all?
>>--
>The new Camry Wagon may just be even uglier than my Tercel. :-)
toyota has cornered the market on ugly station wagons.
after seeing the new camry sedan, i had thought toyota would
finally turn out something nice-looking. the new camry station
wagon bears a strong resemblance to a hearse, and a weird looking
one at that.
-teddy
| 7rec.autos |
---
[I'm taking talk.abortion out of the newsgroups line, because
this thread seems to have veered totally away from abortion.]
markp@elvis.wri.com (Mark Pundurs) writes:
|In <930415.112243.8v6.rusnews.w165w@mantis.co.uk> mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew) writes:
|>There's no objective reality. LSD should be sufficient to prove that.
|Speaking as one who has taken LSD, I say:
|Bullshit.
Oh, lawdy. If that experience didn't teach you that your
perceptions are always going to get between you & "reality",
I don't know what will. Have you read anything about how
your brain works? About various sensory illusions you can
be tricked by?
---
C J Silverio cj@sgi.com ceej@well.sf.ca.us
"Last Friday, April 16, 1943, I was forced to interrupt my work in the
laboratory in the middle of the afternoon and proceed home, being affected
by a remarkable restlessness, combined with a slight dizziness."
--Albert Hofmann
| 19talk.religion.misc |
Living things maintain small electric fields to (1) enhance certain
chemical reactions, (2) promote communication of states with in a cell,
(3) communicate between cells (of which the nervous system is a specialized
example), and perhaps other uses. These electric fields change with location
and time in a large organism. Special photographic techniques such as applying
external fields in Kirillian photography interact with these fields or the resistances
caused by these fields to make interesting pictures. Perhaps such pictures will
be diagonistic of disease problems in organisms when better understood. Perhaps not.
Studying the overall electric activity of biological systems is several hundred
years old, but not a popular activity. Perhaps, except in the case of a few
tissues like nerves and the electric senses of fishes, it is hard to reduce the
investigation into small pieces that can be clearly analyzed. There are some
hints that manipulating electric fields is a useful therapy such as speeding
the healing of broken bones, but not understood why.
Bioelectricity has a long association with mysticism. Ideas such as Frankenstein
reanimation go back to the most early electrical experiments on tissue such as
when Volta invented the battery. I personally don't care to revert to supernatural
cause to explain things we don't yet understand.
| 13sci.med |
I have win 3.0 and downloaded several icons and BMP's but I can't figure out
how to change the "wallpaper" or use the icons. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanx,
-Brando
PS Please E-mail me
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
my 14" compacq vga monitor id dead due to the transformer's failure.
if you have this part and would like to get rid of it, pls
let me know.
thanks.
eric
| 6misc.forsale |
Well folks, after some thought the answer struck me flat in the face:
"Why would Apple release a Duo Dock with a processor of its own?"
Here's why- People have hounded Apple for a notebook with a 68040 processor
in it. Apple can't deliver that right now because the 040 saps too much
power, radiates far too much heat, and is too large for a notebook. How
does one get around that without designing a new chipset? Use existing
PowerBook technology to your best advantage. The Duo Dock gives Apple a
unique ability to give users that 040 power in a "Semi-Portable" fashion.
By plunking the 040 into the Dock, you've got "quadra" power at your desk.
On the road, that 33mhz 68030 should be able to handle most of your needs.
Okay, not the BEST solution, but its an answer to a no-win situation. :-)
So, does this mean one will be able to use the PowerBook's processor in
parallel to the dock's processor? Okay, we're getting REALLY hypothetical
now...
--
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Contributing Editor, | News & Reviews of Gaming Software and the Gaming
MacGames Digest | Industry in the Macintosh Community. Reply
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| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
In article <C5L4rp.EBM@news.iastate.edu> jrbeach@iastate.edu (Jeffry R Beach) writes:
>In article <1993Apr15.165139.6240@gordian.com> mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) writes:
>>> I really don't want to waste time in
>>> here to do battle about the legalization of drugs. If you really want to, we
>>> can get into it and prove just how idiotic that idea is!
>>
>> Read: I do not know what the fuck I'm talking about, and am
>>not eager to make a fool of myself.
>
>Oh, you foolish person. I do know what the fuck I'm talking about
>and will gladly demonstrate for such ignorants as yourself if you
>wish.
>
>The legalization of drugs will provide few if any of the benefits
>so highly taunted by its proponents: safer, cheaper drugs along
>with revenues from taxes on those drugs; reduced crime and reduced
>organized crime specifically; etc, etc
Ahhh, the classic Truth By Blatant Assertion technique. Too bad it's
so demonstrably false. Take a look at Great Britain sometime for a
nice history on drug criminalization. The evidence there shows that
during periods of time when drugs (such as heroin) were illegal, crime
went up and people did die from bad drugs. During times when drugs
were legalized, those trends were reversed.
>
>If you would like to prove how clueless you are, we can get into
>why - again a lot of wasted posts that I don't think this group
>was intended for and something easily solved by you doing a little
>research.
Now this is a great example of an ironclad proof. Gosh, I'm convinced.
( :-} for the humor impaired). First, assert something for which you
have no evidence, then dodge requests for proof by claiming to know
what this group was intended for. As to research, if you'd done any
at all, you'd realize that there is plenty of reason to believe that
legalizing drugs will have many benefits to society. There are some
plausible arguments against it, too, but they aren't enough to convince
me that criminalization of drugs is the answer. I'm willing to be
convinced I'm wrong, but I seriously doubt the likes of you can do it.
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...Dale Cook "Any town having more churches than bars has a serious
social problem." ---Edward Abbey
The opinions are mine only (i.e., they are NOT my employer's)
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| 18talk.politics.misc |
In article <1r6uojINN94b@barney.cs.city.ac.uk>, lionel@cs.city.ac.uk (Lionel Tun) writes:
>
> I think you have are addressing the wrong issue. The situation
> is more like: we both see some elves. This is established as
> fact since we can both touch them etc. Then one of us says, the
> elves have always been with us. The other says, no no there was
> a time before elves were here. Which is the positive argument?
I think you are using the wrong analogy. A better one would be:
you see some elves. I don't. Where is the burden of proof there?
Karl
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| "Lastly, I come to China in the hope | "All you touch and all you see |
| of fulfilling a lifelong ambition - | Is all your life will ever be." |
| dropping acid on the Great Wall." --Duke | --Pink Floyd |
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| 0alt.atheism |
Apologies if this gets posted twice, but I don't think the first one
made it.
--------------------------------------------------------------------
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact: OASIS (310) 364-2290
15 April 1993 Los Angeles, CA
LOCAL NATIONAL SPACE SOCIETY CHAPTERS SPONSOR TALK BY L.A.
ADVOCATE OF LUNAR POWER SYSTEM AS ENERGY SOURCE FOR THE WORLD
On April 21, the OASIS and Ventura County chapters of the National
Space Society will sponsor a talk by Lunar Power System (LPS) co-
inventor and vice-president of the LPS Coalition, Dr. Robert D.
Waldron. It will be held at 7:30 p.m. at the Rockwell Science
Center in Thousand Oaks, CA.
Dr. Waldron is currently a Technical Specialist in Space
Materials Processing with the Space Systems Division of Rockwell
International in Downey, California. He is a recognized world
authority on lunar materials refinement. He has written or
coauthored more than 15 articles or reports on nonterrestrial
materials processing or utilization. Along with Dr. David
Criswell, Waldron invented the lunar/solar power system concept.
Momentum is building for a coalition of entrepreneurs, legal
experts, and Soviet and U.S. scientists and engineers to build
the Lunar Power System, a pollution-free, energy source with a
potential to power the globe.
For the past three years members of the coalition, nearly half
from California, have rejuvenated the commercial and scientific
concept of a solar power system based on the Moon.
The LPS concept entails collecting solar energy on the lunar
surface and beaming the power to Earth as microwaves transmitted
through orbiting antennae. A mature LPS offers an enormous
source of clean, sustainable power to meet the Earth's ever
increasing demand using proven, basic technology.
OASIS (Organization for the Advancement of Space
Industrialization) is the Greater Los Angeles chapter of the
National Space Society, which is an international non-profit
organization that promotes development of the space frontier.
The Ventura County chapter is based in Oxnard, CA.
WHERE: Rockwell Science Center Auditorium, 1049 Camino
Dos Rios, Thousand Oaks, CA.
DIRECTIONS: Ventura Freeway 101 to Thousand Oaks, exit onto
Lynn Road heading North (right turn from 101
North, Left turn from 101 South), after about 1/2
mile turn Left on Camino Dos Rios, after about 1/2
mile make First Right into Rockwell after Camino
Colindo, Parking at Top of Hill to the Left
| 14sci.space |
For discussion of Nikolai Tesla (who else??)
--
--russ <nelson@sun.soe.clarkson.edu> Businesses persuade; Governments force.
| 12sci.electronics |
I'm interested in find out what is involved in processing pairs of
stereo photographs. I have black-and-white photos and would like
to obtain surface contours.
I'd prefer to do the processing on an SGI, but would be interested
in hearing what software/hardware is used for this type of
image processing.
Please email and/or post to comp.sys.sgi.graphics your responses.
Thanks,
Dane Hendrix | email: dane@wizard.dt.navy.mil
DTMB (a.k.a. Headquarters, Carderock Div.,| or hendrix@oasys.dt.navy.mil
Naval Surface Warfare Center) | or hendrix@nas.nasa.gov
Code 1542, Bethesda, MD 20084-5000 | phone: (301)227-1340
| 1comp.graphics |
In article <jhesseC5Ltt5.IMC@netcom.com> jhesse@netcom.com (John Hesse) writes:
Stupid me. I believed the Democrats stood for principles of personal
privacy while it was the Neanderthal Republicans that wanted into every
aspect of our lives.
Clinton is just more clever than the other guy. Looks like gun control for
privacy technology. One small step at a time.
Remember "Defend Firearms - Defeat Dukakis", followed by Bush's soon-after-
election support for gun-control? This is the Democrats' version
"Defend Free Speech - Reject Republicans" followed by speech control.
Wait a minute.... Let me think about this.
Hmmm, I feel better now. I believe the White House when they tell us
this first step is, in fact, the final step. All is OK. We've nothing to fear.
They're here to help us. God bless America.
Hey, like the grrreat J.R. "Bob" Dobbs says, you've got to pull the
wool over your *own* eyes!
--
# Pray for peace; Bill
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# No, I'm *from* New Jersey, I only *work* in cyberspace....
# White House Commect Line 1-202-456-1111 fax 1-202-456-2461
| 11sci.crypt |
I would like to see Christians devote a bit less effort to _bashing_
paganism and more to figuring out how to present the Gospel to pagans.
Christ is the answer; the pagans have a lot of the right questions.
Unlike materialists, who deny the need for any spirituality.
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| 15soc.religion.christian |
I am selling a Western Digital 212 meg IDE HD, the Caviar 2200 model. The
access time is <15 ms, and it has a built in cache. It is BRAND NEW, still
in the original static bag. Asking $275, obo.
| 6misc.forsale |
If you wanted to send your own letter to the NHL where would you send it?
Brett E. Ball
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
> >You know, I'm a Ford fan, I must say, so I'm looking forward to the next
> >Mustang. I have faith that it will be a fine product, more desireable
> >than the Camaro is now. You know, that's MHO.
>
> True...thats your opinion.
>
> >They beat Ford to the market with the Camaro/Firebird, but really only
> >in words. Production of these vehicles will be limited until the
> >end of the year, keeping selling prices above MSRP for the most part
> >since there are so many twitching Camaro fans out there. I wouldn't
> >press Ford to hurry the Mustang since the final wait could be worth it.
> >Besides, no bow-tie fanatic is gonna buy the Mustang anyway.
>
> True again.. I wouldn't take a free Mustang...honest.
>
> >The next Mustang will be Ford's highest profile car. It attracts
> >way more attention than the Camaro/Firebird because it's heritage
> >is more embedded in the general public. Don't lie to yourself and
> >believe Ford will forfeit that.
>
> FYI: they already did.
> Too bad that the current Mustang can't even compete with the new
> Camaro without using an active imagination.
> Right now few cars can compare with the '93 Camaro, Think about it..
> 20,000 for a car that will out perform all but a few exotics.
> If you are now swearing at me look at the stats...they don't lie.
> There are NO comparable cars in it's class, certinaly not for its price.
>
> > You know,intelligent, critical spews like, "The Mustang bites, man!"
> Some of you are already beginning. I predict that the Mustang and Camaro
> >will be comparable performers, as usual.
> >
> I also agree, This subject is one that will never be setteled....
> Except maybe at the track :-)
>
> >Unless the Ford gets the 32v, 300hp Romeo. You don't seriously believe
> >that it was designed for the Mark VIII only, do you?
> >
> Hey, can you imagine the potential of a MODIFIED LT-1!!!!!!!
> Folks in a few years we will surpass the levels of performance
> achieved in the late '60's, thats scary.
You Ford vs Chevy people must live in the planet of Detroit or Droid.
Like they say in the airforce, with enough horsepower anything will fly.
I can put a 32valve V-8 with twin Garret-4s on Yugo and get 7.7sec QM.
Thats useless ... Its still a Yugo that will loose any race on a track,
or on the street.
Have you Detroit beings compared the ultra-long-throw stick shifts of
the 5.0 with the 93 MR2 turbo or 93 RX7 (I ll buy it in 6 mos) ?
Or the Torsen differential of the RX7 compared to the Differential of
the 5.0 that sounds in every hairpin turn ?
And bythe way 5.0 and Camaro both have drums on the rear breaks ...
Hello , this is the 90 's ?
Vlasis Theodore
Software Engineer
-Just say no to signatures-
| 7rec.autos |
Where can you get info (brochures...) on Differential GPS Systems and where to
buy them?
BobC
| 12sci.electronics |
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AND OWNERS MANUALS
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--
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Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Pasadena, California DISCLAIMER: No, I don't speak for JPL!
| 6misc.forsale |
In article <Apr.21.03.25.03.1993.1292@geneva.rutgers.edu>
salaris@niblick.ecn.purdue.edu (Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrabbits) writes:
>I like those lyrics,
>since whenever I am approached by judgemental, pharisitical,
>evangelical fundamentalists who throw the Bible at me because
>I have long hair, wear a black leather jacket, and listen to Black
>Sabbath, I have something to throw back....
>It just goes to show that there are more important evils in the
>world to battle than rock lyrics...........
It just goes to show that not all evangelical fundamentalists are pharisitical!
I wear a black leather jacket, like classic rock, but no longer have the long
locks I once had. However, I too rely upon the Bible as a basis for Christian
ethics.
a fundamentalistic evangelical,
--Rex
| 15soc.religion.christian |
jagst18+@pitt.edu (Josh A Grossman) writes:
>Somebody was kind enough to post the Prez's compuserve email address.
>I was smart enough to write it down somehwere on some small scap of paper
>I can not find. If you've got it please email it to me.
CompuServe - "75300.3115@CompuServe.com"
America On-Line - "Clintonpz@AOL.com
Both are accessible from the InterNet.
When you send a not to Slick Willie, you will need to have you US Mail
address on the note if you want a response. The White House does not
reply by E-Mail.
| 16talk.politics.guns |
In article <1993Apr15.151202.3551@Virginia.EDU> jja2h@Virginia.EDU ("") writes:
>Does any one out there listen to WFAN? For those of you who do
>not know what I am talking about, it is an all sports radio
>staion in New York. On a clear night the signal reaches up and
>down the East coast. In particular, I want to know how Len
>Berman and Mike Lupica's show is. I go to school in Virginia
>so I can't listen when there are on during the day. Just
>wondering.
The FAN is an okay Sports Radio station, but doesn't come close to
the ULTIMATE in Sports Radio, 610 WIP in Philadelphia. The signal
might not be as powerful, but then again only stations in New York
feel "obligated" to pollute everyone else's airwaves with a bunch of
hoodlum Mets fans complaining 24 hours a day. WIP took two of your
best sports jockeys too, Jody MacDonald and Steve Fredericks. 610
WIP is rockin with sports talk from 5:30 AM till midnight, check it
out anytime your within a few hours of Philadelphia. If I'm not
mistaken, WIP has the highest sports talk ratings in the nation?
-Rob
p.s the only nice thing about the FAN is that they talk sports all
night. hopefully 610 will begin to do that somewhat soon
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
Has anybody noticed that Toyota has an uncanny knack for designing horrible
ugly station wagons? Tercels, Corollas, Camrys. Have their designers no
aesthetic sense at all?
--
DoD #650<----------------------------------------------------------->DarkMan
The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of
thinking we were at when we created them. - Albert Einstein
___________________The Eternal Champion_________________
| 7rec.autos |
In article <May.7.01.09.59.1993.14571@athos.rutgers.edu> Bill Mayne,
mayne@pipe.cs.fsu.edu writes:
In article <May.7.01.09.59.1993.14571@athos.rutgers.edu> Bill Mayne,
mayne@pipe.cs.fsu.edu writes:
>In article <May.5.02.50.42.1993.28665@athos.rutgers.edu>
>Fil.Sapienza@med.umich.edu (Fil Sapienza) writes:
>>I am interested in finding out why people become
>>atheists after having believed in some god/God.
>>In conversing with them on other groups, I've
>>often sensed anger or hostility. Though I don't
>>mean to imply that all atheists are angry or hostile,
>>it does seem to be one motivation for giving up
>>faith. Thus, some atheism might result from
>>broken-ness.
>
>This is condescending at best and a slightly disquised ad hominem
>attack. This attitude on the part of many theists, especially the
>vocal ones, is one reason for the hostility you sense. How do you
>like it when atheists say that people turn to religion out of
>immature emotionalism?
I wouldn't and don't. I thought I did a pretty good job of
qualifying my statement, but apparently some people
misinterpreted my intentions. I apologize for my part in
communicating any confusion. My intent was more to
stir up discussion rather than judge. It seems to
have worked.
[rest of post noted - by the way, I did not originally post this to
alt.atheism. If it got there, I don't know how it did.]
--
Filipp Sapienza
Department of Technology Services
University of Michigan Hospitals - Surgery
Fil.Sapienza@med.umich.edu
| 15soc.religion.christian |
cmtan@iss.nus.sg (Tan Chade Meng - dan) writes: >
>Somebody forgotten me................
>
>"No Nickname" Tan Chade Meng
>(Chinese have nicknames in the front)
>
>--
>
>The UnEnlightened One
I thought your nickname was "UnEnlightened"
--
Maddi Hausmann madhaus@netcom.com
Centigram Communications Corp San Jose California 408/428-3553
Kids, please don't try this at home. Remember, I post professionally.
| 0alt.atheism |
In article <1r9dd7INNqfk@ctron-news.ctron.com>, king@ctron.com (John E. King) writes:
>
>scharle@lukasiewicz.cc.nd.edu (scharle) writes:
>
>> For your information, I checked the Library of Congress catalog,
>>and they list the following books by Francis Hitching:
>
>
>I believe I've just discovered an anthopological parallel. In my many
>"discussions" with the fundies, their main tactic is to discredit
>my sources. They shrilly bleat:
>
> "Barclay's claims are bogus; McKenzie's arguements are a sham,
>Oehler position is specious, Jouon's ideas are fiction, Darby is a
>fraud, Howard is a counterfeit, Rotherham's claims are vapid."
>
>Ahha...Now with the Branch Athiests zealots we have the following:
>
> "Hitching`s claims are bogus, Gorman argument's are a sham,
>Jastrow's position is specious, Stanley's ideas are fiction, Durant
>is a fraud, Thorpe is a counterfeit, Hoyle's claims are vapid."
>
>Are we witnessing the founding of a new major religion.... or has
>it really been there all along?!
>
>
>Let me try again.
>
>"The doubt that has infiltrated the previous, smugly confident certitude
>of evolutionary biology has inflamed passions. There is lack of agreement
>even within warring camps. Sometimes it seems as if there are as many
>variations on each evolutionary theme as there are individual biologists."
>
>Niles Eldridge (yes he's a paleontologist); Natural History; "Evolutionary
>Housecleaning"; Feb 1982; pg. 78.
>
>Jack
Ooooops! Jack, you forgot to expunge one part of your new ripped-out-of-context
quote. That's the last line. Here Eldridge is talking about disagreement over
the various theories (themes). We all know about that. We also know that
nobody in the "warring camps" doubts the fact of evolution. You see, if you
had clipped the last line, you could have made it look like even evolutionary
biologists are doubting the fact of evolution. That's what you wanted to do,
isn't it? Boy oh boy!, do you need to sharpen up your quote clippers or what?
By the way, what's an "anth[r]opological parallel?"
Rich Fox, Anthro, Usouthdakota
| 19talk.religion.misc |
Viewing from the net's initial reaction to the self-immolation of the
Branch Davidians, it would appear that this human tragedy is too flagrant
for some folks to keep from using it to push their peevish little ideologies.
(Others could not help but exercise comic relief, but given the tension, I
think this reaction is understandable.) My rasberry award goes to Dave Palmer
who makes the following benediction after spewing out the facts,
"Score another one for the forces of ignorance and superstition"
as if the public deaths of over 80 people were not a clear and definite
warning as to what happens to people who follow false prophets.
From where I set, looks like Satan has a three-bagger going.
In article <1993Apr20.051902.9472@gw.wmich.edu> x86carnell@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>In article <C5rLps.Fr5@world.std.com>, jhallen@world.std.com (Joseph H Allen) writes:
>> In article <1qvk8sINN9vo@clem.handheld.com> jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) writes:
>>>I'm short of patience tonite, but rabid dogs deserve and get better treatment
>>>than the BDs got.
>>
>> Although I'm an atheist, the events in Waco have really sickened me. It's
>> truely a sad day for religious freedom in this country. The Branch
>> Dividians may have been nutty (my general opinion of all religious people),
>> but tax evasion and illegal possesion of firearms are certainly not grounds
>> for destroying a people.
>
>The government sure gets a lot of mileage out of the word "cult".
>
>Koresh's lawyers is most articulate on this point, I think. The BATF
>originally had a search warrant based on information that indicated
>BD members converted semi-automatic weapons to full-auto. A
>search warrant is a right to search, not a right to bring a small
>army for an Iwo Jima style assault. Everything the BATF did from
>the start seemed designed to maximize the reaction they would get
>from Koresh.
One thing that should be made clear is that neither the FBI nor
the BATF is responsible for what happened yesterday. One can argue about
the initial raid, but it would be worth mentioning, before the facts get
lost, that
1. The Branch Davidians were tipped off that the BATF was coming
during the initial raid.
2. The Branch Davidians opened fire first.
It is also worth noting that the Branch Davidians, according to
the FBI's statements, opened fire immediately when the FBI issued the warning
over the phone, and that the vehicle which launched the tear gas grenades
did so under fire from the compound.
>
>>
>> The killing of the four BATF agents was surey a dispicable act, but that was
>> an escalation of the confrontation which the BATF started. War is bad
>
>Even this seemingly obvious issue is far from settled. According to
>"Newsweek" (4/5/93), "some federal law-enforcement officials
>now believe that at least some ATF agents were brought down by
>friendly fire." The articles goes on to say how "sources" close to the
>Justice Department claim that some agents were caught in "heavy crossfire."
Clearly, no one in the government wanted a repeat of the initial
shootout, That's why they went in with riot control gas. This would have worked
with minimal casualties (The Branch Davidians apparently did not have gas
masks) if Koresh had not had a very different reaction in mind.
>
>
>> precisely because of humanity's tendancy for escalation. That principle
>> applies to all cases of warfare- whether it's between nuclear superpowers,
>> feuding families or fledgling religious groups and our federal govt. Why
>> was warfare chosen as the course of action when patience and subtlety would
>> also have worked? Why is the petty letter of the law more important than
>> peoples' lives and religious beliefs? Perhaps the supposed professionals in
>> our federal law inforcement agencies are just plain stupid.
>
>Actually from a tactical standpoint the original raid on the BATF was
>horribly planned. Sources in the FBI have been quoted extensively
>criticizing the BATF plan. The BATF raid does make sense, however, if
>it was timed and planned to garner maximum media exposure for the BATF.
>which is always in danger of losing funding.
>
>Go in, bust a few cultist heads, wind up on the 6 p.m. news and you
>don't have to worry about the budget for the next 4 years.
The question is whether yesterday's raid was wired tightly enough.
Reno and Sessions both made statements to the press indicating that the
experts had not indicated that such a reaction was (possible ?) (likely ?).
They both indicated that they had no idea that a Masada-like mass suicide
could result from the introduction of non-lethal agents into the compound.
Some of these issues are highly technical - the impression I have
is that the "Ranch Apocalypse" represented a Rubrik's cube for the
counterterrorist types. The Branch Davidians were too well armed for
for a simple assault (the BATF found this out the hard way). The complex
was probably to big for the kind of "surgical" Delta Force coup de main
that the Bundesgrenschutz did in the 1970s when one of their airliners
was highjacked by "Black September". The reason this seige had gone on
as long as it had was that the government really didn't have any good options,
and to wait it out was the safest and most logical choice.
>
>Similarly, why the raid yesterday? Reno has a bunch of different
>answers she's shopping around, none f which make much senOn
>Nightline tonight, she tried the "we were concerned about child abuse"
>card, and then it was pointed out that the info. on the child abuse
>was over two weeks old. Then she switched to the "It couldn't go
>on any longer"-style stuff until that kind of played out.
My own theory is that something was supposed to have happened
on Easter. Koresh had made some statements building that idea up, and
Easter came and went with nothing happening. It may be that the authorities
felt emboldened to move for this reason. IT IS just a theory.
>
>Why yesterday? Because this was turning into a huge embarassment for
>the Clinton administration.
I don't believe this is a valid argument. Obviously, hindsight
is 20/20, but the risks of doing anything to provoke the Davidians
were clear enough to warrant caution and to delay action.
>
>> > It was interesting to watch the 700 club today. Pat Robertson said that the
>> "Branch Dividians had met the firey end for worshipping their false god." He
>> also said that this was a terrible tragedy and that the FBI really blew it.
>> However, I still feel that he's forgetting that every major religion in the
>> world had a similarly humble 'cult-status' beginning- even, and perhaps
>> especially, christianity. It is perhaps worthwhile to consider that the
>> Branch Dividians' apocalyptic prophecies have been fulfilled. Maybe David
>> Koresh really was Jesus Christ (sure sounds like a neat opening epic for a
>> new major religion to me).
>
>Ever notice how quickly Christians adopt atheist arguments when it comes
>to other religious groups...like every other denomination/religion is
>irrational except their own particular one.
I imagine there are a good many people who are having some problems
processing the reality of this affair now.
1. This matter ties in with the infamous "social scientists are not
really scientists" brouhaha on sci.skeptic. Here is a case where, if
one believes the Attorney General and the Director of the FBI, the
predictions of psychological experts were proven false, not under
laboratory conditions, but in the cauldron of practical application.
2. Koresh's actions (or the actions of whoever started the fire -
we're not likely to know what went on in there) contrast so violently
with the example of Christ that I'm sure many Christians find it
difficult to understand why or how this happened. Under such
conditions, the search for scapegoats is only too natural a human
reaction, even though that is not a particularly Christian response
either.
3. Koresh's mother apparently had some false hopes that the cult
members had sought refuge in a bunker somewhere in the complex. Her
grief must be monumental at this time, and the search for a way to
escape moral responsibility for her family's destruction is likewise
real. We may not have seen the end to the self depravation.
4. The fact, simply stated, is that a good number of innocent children
and not-so-innocent adults died horribly for no good reason. It is
exceptionally hard for us, as human beings, to accept this fact.
We can hope for some ultimate salvation, some panacea to make it
better, but even though hope is a wonderful thing, that doesn't
make it so. There is no meaning to this thing. It just is.
Bill R.
--
"When up a dangerous faction starts, "My opinions do not represent
With wrath and vengeance in their hearts; those of my employer or
By solemn League and Cov'nant bound, any government agency."
To ruin, slaughter, and confound; - Bill Riggs (1993)
To turn religion to a fable,
And turn the Government to a Babel;
Pervert the law, disgrace the gown,
Corrupt the senate, rob the crown;
To sacrifice old England's glory,
And make her infamous in story.
When such a tempest shook the land,
How could unguarded virtue stand ?"
- Jonathan Swift (1732)
| 18talk.politics.misc |
In article <1993Apr16.153330.12087@hpcvca.cv.hp.com> scott@hpcvccl.cv.hp.com (Scott Linn) writes:
>While playing around with my Gateway 2000 local-bus machine last
>night, it became apparent that Windows 3.1 didn't give the option
>for 32-bit access for virtual memory.
>
>I am using a permanent swap file, and the disk drive is on the local
>bus interface.
>
>Is this expected, or should I be investigating further why no 32-bit
>option appears?
you need to massage few switches in your system.ini.
in the virtual memory section, flip the 32bitaccess switch on and the
associated driver (wdctl or some such) switch on. this will enable
32bit access, but be sure you can use it, as not all hard drives
and controllers support it !
...for seriously fast disk access:
1) throw out WINDOZE
2) install OS/2
i did this weekend - OS/2 is incredible. finally a REAL OS for
the humble PC :)
-- tim
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
>From: denning@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu
> THE CLIPPER CHIP: A TECHNICAL SUMMARY
> Dorothy Denning
> Revised, April 21, 1993
>The chips are programmed by Mykotronx, Inc., which calls them the
>"MYK-78." The silicon is supplied by VLSI Technology Inc.
>All Clipper Chips are programmed inside a SCIF (Secure Compartmented
>Information Facility), which is essentially a vault. The SCIF contains
>a laptop computer and equipment to program the chips. About 300 chips
>are programmed during a single session. The SCIF is located at
>Mykotronx.
>ACKNOWLEDGMENT AND DISTRIBUTION NOTICE. This article is based on
>information provided by NSA, NIST, FBI, and Mykotronx. Permission to
>distribute this document is granted.
So, who is Mykotronx, Inc.? It would be nice to know that they were
not a front company used by an intelligence or other agency of the
U.S. government. Trusting the fox to guard the chickens, and all that.
Seems suspicious when the rest of the sources are foxes.
While we are at it, the chip design(s) should be examined and verified
against silicon to insure no trap doors or hidden protocols exist in silicon,
regardless of the security level of the encryption algorithm. It would be a
shame if some three letter agency had the ability to interrogate my chip, when
all I'd know is that someone rang, and when I attempted to go off hook the
line went dead. Could be even worse if the chip were intended to connect
directly to a modem.
The design examination should be done to the gate level. Does anyone have
a good idea how to tell if there is a piggyback design on silicon? The model
would be extra logic sharing pins with the advertised function. Tip offs
would be circuitry that would ignore incoming data if formats or sequence
is not right. I can think of only two ways an output pin could be used,
and its possible that might be noticed, but could be edited from the netlist.
I think the silicon itself needs to be investigated. Imagine a design
done in two layer metalization, yet finding a third layer under the
microscope.
The government is asking for a lot of blind trust: the encryption algorithm,
operating protocols, the agency having physical control of the devices, the
silicon implementation. I'd feel like keeping one hand on my wallet.
| 11sci.crypt |
I am new to X programming, so please bear with me....
I am trying to have a dialog box that returns it's value upon the
user entering a new value and hitting the <return> key. (don't want
to have a "done" button). The piece of code below will work if
I exclude the XtNvalue argument but will not work as is. Can someone
shed some light on this or suggest a better way? Ultimately I will
have several areas active at the same time to allow a user to modify
parameters in the program.
Thanks for your help,
Karen Rogers
Dupont
rogerskm@pluto.es.dupont.com
######### Code starts here ################
void doit()
{
printf("Entered the doit function\n");
exit();
}
main(argc, argv)
int argc;
char **argv;
{
Widget toplevel;
Widget outer;
XtAppContext app_con;
Widget samples;
Arg args[3];
static XtActionsRec key_actions[]=
{
{"doit", doit},
};
toplevel = XtVaAppInitialize(&app_con, "TEST", NULL, 0,
&argc, argv, NULL, NULL);
outer = XtCreateManagedWidget( "paned", panedWidgetClass, toplevel,
NULL, ZERO);
XtAppAddActions(app_con, key_actions, XtNumber(key_actions));
XtSetArg(args[0], XtNlabel, "Enter value");
XtSetArg(args[1], XtNvalue, "0");
samples = XtCreateManagedWidget("samples", dialogWidgetClass,outer,args,2);
XtOverrideTranslations(samples,
XtParseTranslationTable("<Key>Return: doit()"));
XtRealizeWidget(toplevel);
XtAppMainLoop(app_con);
}
| 5comp.windows.x |
In article <1993Apr26.172836.1@vms.ocom.okstate.edu> banschbach@vms.ocom.okstate.edu writes:
>Neither of these bacteria are obligate anaerobes with are
>much more important in dealing with the diarrhea problem.
THE diarrhea problem? WHAT diarrhea problem? First, candidal overgrowth is
not a frequent problem during antibiotic therapy, and not all cases of
antibiotic-related diarrhea have anything to do with candida. But a case
of vaginal candidiasis or oral thrush after antibiotic therapy isn't going
to surprise anyone either. That's not what people are disagreeing with.
>Anti-fungals, a low carbohydrate diet and vitamin A
>supplementation may all help to minimize the local irritation until the
>good bacteria can take over control of the food supply again and lower the
>pH to basically starve the candida out.
Oh, really? Where'd you come up with this? You know, it's really
appalling to see you try to comment authoritatively on clinical matters
in a bizarre synthesis from reading reports in the literature.
Bobbing for citations in the research literature isn't medicine.
I hope you're not giving the wrong idea to your medical students.
--
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
| 13sci.med |
I have the following CD's for sale at $6 each ($5 for 3 or more) except
where a special price is noted.
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Sinead O'Connor I do not want...
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Bobby McFerrin Simple Pleasures
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Electric Light Orchestra Greatest Hits
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chick Corea Play
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Mehta and N.Y. Phil. Wagner - The Ring (highlights)
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--
Walter G. Seefeld | By the dawn's early light,
940 N. Jackson St. #1A | By all I know is right,
Starkville, MS 39759 | We're going to reap what we have sown.
N5QXR | -Jackson Brown
| 6misc.forsale |
In article <LANCER.93Apr15150228@oconnor.WPI.EDU> lancer@oconnor.WPI.EDU (Stephe Lewis Foskett) writes:
>
>I'm doing sound for a couple of bands around here and we need Direct
>Input boxes for the keyboards. These are the little boxes that take a
>line level out of the keyboard and transform it into low-Z for the run
>to the mixer. Sadly they cost like $50 (or more) each and I'm going
>to need like 5 or 10 of them! I looked inside one (belonging to
>another band) and it looks like just a transformer. Does anyone have
>any plans for building them?
>
$50 each!! Don't bother trying to make one yourself, just shop around a
little. I've found DOD brand DI boxes for as cheap as $20 each. You can
get higher end ones for more, but for PA use for bands, I wouldn't bother.
Making one yourself might work, but getting a sturdy enough enclosure might
be hard (they're made of heavy guage metal, since they're always on the floor,
being kicked around a lot). For any additional questions on this topic, you
might want to post to rec.audio.pro
Lukas Zahas
lzahas@bu.edu
| 12sci.electronics |
This might be better directed to s.r.c.bible-study, which I have begun
reading, but since my earlier notes were posted to this forum, I will
conclude here as well. A week ago, I managed to find time to consult
a Septuagint Concordance and a LXX text with apparatus at the library,
and I can now usefully conclude my look at the Greek words for love as
used in the Christian background of the Septuagintal translation of the
Jewish scriptures.
The principal result is that there is a cluster of uses of the verbal
noun from _erao:_, _eraste:s_ meaning "lover." This cluster occurs just
where one might most expect it, in the propethic image (and accusation)
of Israel as faithless spouse to YHWH. The verses in question are Hosea
2:5,7 & 10; Jeremiah 4:30, 22:20 & 22; Lamentations 1:19; and Ezekiel
16:33, 36 &37 and 23:5, 9 & 22.
[ Hosea seems to have originated this usage, which Jeremiah and
Ezekiel picked up; Lamentations is dependent on, though not
likely written by, Jeremiah. ]
The "erotic" meaning (in its allegorical use, not at all literally) is
evident. So too in English, unless you complement it with a phrase like
"of the arts" the word "lover" is going to have an overtone of sexual
relationship. There is no surprise here, but it is worthwhile to see
that standard Greek usage *does* show up in the translations from the
Hebrew! :-)
More interestingly, and some confirmation of my guess that later Koine
usage avoided the verb _erao:_ because of its homonymy to _ero:_ (say),
_eromai_ (ask), there is an error in Codex Vaticanus (normally, a very
valuable witness) where a form of _erao:_ is used in a completely absurd
context -- 2 Samuel 20:18, where the meaning *must* be "say."
In addition to the above (and the uses I have already mentioned in Proverbs),
Esther 2:17 uses the verb in its most natural application,
kai e:rasthe" ho basileus Esthe:r -- and the King loved Esther
and, rather more interestingly, 1 Samuel 19:2 supplies a modest degree of
support to the gay appraisal of the relationship of David and Jonathan:
kai Io:nathan huios Saoul e:[i]reito ton Dauid sphodra
-- and Jonathan, Saul's son, loved David intensely
[ I'm using the bracketed [i] for io:ta subscript, which I
don't yet have a reasonable ASCII convention for. ]
(The relevance of this to the gay issue is not anything implicit about
the "historical" facts, but just that a quasi-official translation of
the Hebrew text in the Hellenistic period makes no bones about using the
"erotic" verb in this context. Given the quite general usage of _agapao:_
for erotic senses, this need not mean anything "more" than _agapao:_ alone
would mean, but it DOES disambiguate the relationship, as far as this
translator goes!)
--
Michael L. Siemon I say "You are gods, sons of the
mls@panix.com Most High, all of you; nevertheless
- or - you shall die like men, and fall
mls@ulysses.att..com like any prince." Psalm 82:6-7
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