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In article <1993Apr21.223541.2353@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu>
jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes:
>Everyone is complaining about the debacle in Waco. It is hard to
>understand all this angst. What happend there is nothing less than
>what we wanted to happen. Why all the sour grapes ?
Cute word angst. Conveys volumes.
I'd be interested in this particular definition of "we." It's
such a fluid pronoun.
>BATF was looking for a propaganda event to counteract their impending
>budget cuts ... the attendance of the press at the initial big
>commando raid is proof. It would have been ever so easier to grab
>Koresh and his central followers as they shopped in Waco. Alas, no
>propaganda value there.
>
>The FBI screwed-up big time, all the time. They should have never allowed
>the situation to drag out like that. A quick second assault, before the
>BDs could decide on a strategy, would have been the better plan.
>
>The BDs themselves were the biggest screw-ups though. They imagined
>that US law and US law-enforcement had no jurisdiction within their
>little 'country'. WRONG !
The BD were a paranoid little cult out in the middle of nowhere,
which all of a sudden had their worst paranoid fears reinforced.
Joy.
>They had no right whatsoever to fire on
>the BATF, and if they mistook their identity initially, they should
>have surrendered at once when they did realize who they were.
Yes, they probably should have, although how many paranoid
nuts can say they held off the feds for 51 days?
>If the
>BDs had a problem with the warrants, they take it to court, just like
>the rest of us. If they wanted full-auto weapons, they could have
>obtained the proper permits, just like the rest of us would need to
>do. What they may NOT do is decide for themselves what US law applies
>to themselves and which does not. They get their chance like the rest
>of us - at the voting booth.
The voting booth is highly over-rated. People need to get up
off their lazy butts more than every year or every two years. Hell,
most don't even do that.
>If the BATF and FBI have become latter-day Gestapo, then they have
>become that way because WE have desired them to be so.
No, because "we" have decided that it doesn't make enough
difference to "us" to get up and do something. That's something,
for instance, a lot of people who go speak against gun control
bills at their local government. Dozens of "pro-gun" speakers
show up and few if any antis do, but they often win anyway.
Why? Because it doesn't matter who shows up, it matters
who's willing to scream afterwards. And it isn't that most people
give a damn one way of the other, but that they don't. Nobody
gives a damn about anybody beyond their own little worlds.
>We get to
>vote on laws, and on the lawmakers. By our choices over the years,
>we have approved the creation and form of the BATF and FBI. When
>the FBI was out chasing 'pinkos', the general public didn't seem
>to mind a bit of extra-constitutional activity.
The general public's usually not even read the constitution.
And what they have learned is a distorted picture of the whole thing.
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PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu - "I still remember the way you laughed\
When you pushed me down the elevator shaft\ ... Sometimes I get to
thinking you don't love me anymore." - "Weird Al" Yankovic.
| 16talk.politics.guns |
Don't assume a conspiracy, when the evidence can be adequately explained
by stupidity. (FBI, or BD--it doesn't matter).
--
Harry Erwin
Internet: erwin@trwacs.fp.trw.com
Have found some interesting work...
| 19talk.religion.misc |
sjg3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (STEVEN JAY GIBBLE) writes:
> The tv coverage of the playoffs is fucking ridicules. Overtime time games
> that are not shown? What the hell kind of shit is this? If that would
> have happened to the Flyers(if they were in the damn playoffs to begin
> with) while I was watching, I would have gone throught the roof!
For those of you who read TV Guide, there's an article in next week's
SPORTSVIEW concerning the NHL and major network broadcasting. Pretty
interesting.
- Jennifer
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
tvervaek@col.hp.com (Tom Vervaeke) writes:
>My wife and I looked at, and drove one last fall. This was a 1992 model.
>It was WAYYYYYYYYY underpowered. I could not imagine driving it in the
>mountains here in Colorado at anything approaching highway speeds. I
>have read that the new 1993 models have a newer, improved hp engine.
>I'm quite serious that I laughed in the salesman face when he said "once
>it's broken in it will feel more powerful". I had been used to driving a
>Jeep 4.0L 190hp engine. I believe the 92's Land Cruisers (Land Yachts)
>were 3.0L, the sames as the 4Runner, which is also underpowered (in my
>own personal opinion).
>They are big cars, very roomy, but nothing spectacular.
>( ___ )-----------------------------------------------------------( ___ )
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The Land Cruiser has a L6 4.5 engine which has 200 hp and 280 torgue, when I
drove it here in california, power is more than enough. The high price is
the only reason I did not buy it.
| 7rec.autos |
WANTED:
I have to produce a "Rolling Demonstration" of some X Window/Motif software.
Does anybody know if there is some Public Domain software to record/playback X
Window events or similar ?
Thanks in advance ...
Paul Bamborough bamboroughp@logica.co.uk
I must protest captain - I am NOT a merry Man !!!! - Worf STTNG
| 5comp.windows.x |
In article <1993Apr20.131452.23310@cs.nott.ac.uk> eczcaw@mips.nott.ac.uk (A.Wainwright) writes:
>Clayton, babe, please define the word `molest`. Are you using
>a legal term or a proper dictionary term? Molest, as far as I
>can remember, means `to do damage to person(s)`. My mate,
>Mike, was lured into a woman's parlour when he was 14. Is
>that molestation? A number of my friends (straight) lost
>their virginity before that. Were they 'molested'? They told
>me that they thoroughly enjoyed the experience. I see no
>damage.
>
>Please stop pushing your objective morality on others. If you
>push, people won't fall over and say 'Ye gads, you're
>right!', they'll just push back.
>
>Have you signed up for that logic course yet?
Yep -- and the child that "Tree Frog Johnson" adbucted for 6 months reportedly
"enjoyed" her experiences as well. They trained her using food. As an FBI
agent reported (on his disciplinary action for beating up "Tree Frog") "when
you see a 2&1/2 year old baby cheerfully tell you she wants a peanut butter
sandwich and she'll suck your pee-pee, you lose control".
You are quite sick.
--
There are actually people that STILL believe Love Canal was some kind of
environmental disaster. Weird, eh?
These opinions are MINE, and you can't have 'em! (But I'll rent 'em cheap ...)
| 18talk.politics.misc |
kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis) writes:
> Perhaps 1%, but most likely not more than 2%. A new study
> (discrediting Kinsey) says so.
> --
> The views expressed herein are | Theodore A. Kaldis
> my own only. Do you seriously | kaldis@remus.rutgers.edu
> believe that a major university | {...}!rutgers!remus.rutgers.edu!kaldis
> as this would hold such views??? |
My understanding from my psycology classes is that the percentage is
more like 10-12% world wide. I would really like to know your source
for the 1-2% figure.
Riyadh Moosa.
SDSU-Chemistry.
cosc0000@ucssun1.sdsu.edu
| 18talk.politics.misc |
In <1993Apr27.072512.439@bby.com.au> Gregory N. Bond writes:
>I wouldn't even begin to expect that
>in Australia, and we don't have institutionalised corruption like you
>do.
Wanna bet ??? You must be too young to remember Bob Askin :-)
Read the Costigan commision report if you want to know about corruption
in OZ.
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| 14sci.space |
good job to whoever posted the article. I'd
been saving that NYTimes edition for a while, planning to ytpe it
in myself, but now I don't have to.
For all of those people who were worried about whether or not
the media would even question the raid, we owe it to the
NY Times (despite their rabidly anti-gun editorials) for
being willing to talk to these 4 BATF agents.
-Case Kim
| 16talk.politics.guns |
In article <30192@ursa.bear.com> halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat) writes:
>>>> > There's no objective physics; Einstein and Bohr have told us that.
>>>> Speaking as one who knows relativity and quantum mechanics, I say:
>>>> Bullshit.
>>>Speaking as someone who also knows relativity and quantum mechanics, I say:
>>>Go ahead, punk, make my day. My degree can beat up your degree.
>>Simple. Take out some physics books, and start looking for statements which
>>say that there is no objective physics. I doubt you will find any. You might
>>find statements that there is no objective length, or no objective location,
>>but no objective _physics_? (Consider, for instance, that speed-of-light-in-
>>vacuum is invariant. This sounds an awful lot like an objective
>>speed-of-light-in-vacuum.)
>Or, you can try not confuse a construct with the constructor. If you take
>a look at Quantum Mechanics, many objective observations can be made
>as well. However, Physics is not objective. Bohr said the randomness
>of atomic motion is inherent in the motion itself. Einstein said that
>nature is deterministic; it is our method of observation that inserts the
>randomness. They were talking about the exact same results.
That some results are not "objective" means neither that all results are
non-objective, nor that "physics" is non-objective.
--
"On the first day after Christmas my truelove served to me... Leftover Turkey!
On the second day after Christmas my truelove served to me... Turkey Casserole
that she made from Leftover Turkey.
[days 3-4 deleted] ... Flaming Turkey Wings! ...
-- Pizza Hut commercial (and M*tlu/A*gic bait)
Ken Arromdee (arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu)
| 0alt.atheism |
In article <1qovj8$74m@ni.umd.edu> louie@sayshell.umd.edu (Louis A. Mamakos) writes:
In article <tcmayC5M2xv.JEx@netcom.com> tcmay@netcom.com (Timothy C. May) writes:
>But is it any worse than the current unsecure system? It becomes much
>worse, of course, if the government then uses this "Clinton Clipper"
>to argue for restrictions on unapproved encryption. (This is the main
>concern of most of us, I think. The camel's nose in the tent, etc.)
Excuse me? This has *already* happened. There's a couple of humps in
the tent already. Ask the folks at Qualcomm what became of the
non-trivial encryption scheme they proposed for use in their CDMA
digitial cellular phone standard? There *already* are restrictions in
place.
You have it slightly wrong. They dumped the encryption system because
they could not export it -- not because they could not produce it for
U.S. use. There are no legal restraints on citizen use of strong
cryptography -- yet.
--
Perry Metzger pmetzger@shearson.com
--
Laissez faire, laissez passer. Le monde va de lui meme.
| 11sci.crypt |
This is an outrage! I don't even own a dog.
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
I was wondering if any one knew how the various hard drive compression utilities work. My hard
drive is getting full and I don't want to have to buy a new one. What I'm intrested in is speed
,ease of use, amount of compression, and any other aspect you think might be important as I've never
use one of these things before. thanks Morgan Bullard mb4008@coewl.cen.uiuc.edu
or mjbb@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
cbrooks@ms.uky.edu (Clayton Brooks) writes:
> Do any Honda gurus know if I can replace the
> the front sprocket on my 1979 Honda CB750K with a slightly larger one?
> (I see this as being preferable to reducing the size of the rear one)
>
> Just wanting ride at a more relaxed RPM.
It can be done, contact Chaparell cycle supply, they ought to have
the sprocket you need/want for cheap, well much cheaper than your average
dealership. Hey they even had sprockets for my VF1000R which is hard to find
accesssories for.
-Craig.
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| 8rec.motorcycles |
Komrade EMIL,
How many times need we point the obvious OUT to you.
As LONG as the Patriarchy has been Decimated by
ModernSeXularHumanism and ITS imposition that only
the STATE is authorized to Wield Capital Punishment,
We can NEVER restore WholeSomeGodFearingBibleBelievingTraditionalFamilyValues!
Now Just Imagine Father Abraham in the Modern Era?
God Comes unto him and demands that he take his son up
to the Hills to be sacrificed unto the Lord.
Now Abraham being a devout man leads out his son for a
sacrifice to God On High, and BANG!!!! Out Comes the BATF
with Tanks and Air Support to cover the Child Protection Agency
with a Warrent for Abraham's arrest as a Moral Deviant and a
Child Abuser!!!! The BATF Lays SIEGE to Father Abraham's home
for months on END and will NOT LISTEN to the VOICE of GOD!!!!
As LONG as ModernSeXularHumanism is allowed to DENY the
God Given Rights of the Patriarchy we CAN NOT be SAFE!!!!!
ciao
drieux
ps: please, and none of this "Know two things" Party
Platform about knowing about a bust of George Washington
and the shortest verse in the bible as some basis for
a Civil Governing of the People.....
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All Hands to the Big Sea of COMedy!"
-Last Call of the Wild of the Humour Lemmings
| 18talk.politics.misc |
In article <C5y9wt.Gpw@news.udel.edu>
philly@ravel.udel.edu (Robert C Hite) writes:
>
>In article <1993Apr23.123208.1@tesla.njit.edu> slutsky@tesla.njit.edu writes:
>>I am curious to known if there are any professional sports teams whose
>>games are regularly broadcast on an FM station. The only one I am
>>aware of is WYSP in Philadelphia who carries the Eagles' games.
>>
>>If you respond to me I will summarize for the list.
>>
>
>WIP is the REAL home of the Eagles. Merril Reese and the Birds on
>FM radio...what a joke.
>
At least we can hear the "joke" more than 100 yards outside city limits now.
Will WIP ever strngthen their signal????????
>
Ken
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
In <4916@master.CNA.TEK.COM> mikeq@freddy.CNA.TEK.COM (Mike Quigley) writes:
|>>|> Excerpts from "Insight" magazine, March 15, 1993
| *Paranoia part deleted.*
| Isn't Insight magazine published by the Mooneys?
I don't remember the article that you removed so I can't comment on it.
What I can comment on though is your response.
Do you really believe that what you wrote is sufficient to refute the article?
Do have any facts in addition to your opinion?
--
Mob rule isn't any prettier merely because the mob calls itself a government
It ain't charity if you are using someone else's money.
Wilson's theory of relativity: If you go back far enough, we're all related.
Mark.Wilson@AtlantaGA.NCR.com
| 18talk.politics.misc |
> Not everything that goes in comes out, and personaly I don't mind giving
> my body a hand once in a while.
>
> Just my experience,
>
> George Paap
I've got a very nice collection of historical books on medical quackery,
and on the topic of massage this is a recurring theme. Ordinary massage
is intended to make a person feel better, especially if they have muscular
or joint problems. But -- like chiropracty -- there are some practitioners
who take the technique to a far extreme, invoking what seems to me to be
quack science to justify their technique.
In the case of massage, there is a technique called "deep abdominal massage"
in which the masseur is literally attempting to massage the intestines!
The notion is that undigested food adheres to the inner surface of the
intestines and putrifies, releasing poisons which cause various disease
syndromes. By this vigorous and painful procedure, it is alleged that
these deposits can be loosened up and passed out.
I just can't believe this idea has any truth behind it! The human intestine
is not a New York City sewer pipe! And even if it were, you eat half of
a small box of Triscuits, and there ain't gonna be nothin' sticking to the
inner surface of your intestine :-)
| 13sci.med |
In article <1993Apr14.140642.19875@cbnewsd.cb.att.com> hhm@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (herschel.h.mayo) writes:
>
>Well, I guess I know for sure what I meant, and it is this: I don't know where
>you drive, but around here freeways are often clogged solid with large packs
>of semis, trucks, and cars of all descriptions. When I close on one of these
>rolling clusterf***s on the highway, I have no desire to add my vehicle to this
>rolling accident looking for a place to happen. If there were any way to pass it
>I WOULD BE PASSING MYSELF, however I can't. As I posted before, all it
>takes is a blown tire, or some moron tramping on the brakes to turn this pack
>into a cloud of shredded metal, flying glass, and burning vehicles. I want to
>maintain enough free space between myself and this mess to at least have a
>minimal chance to avoid a mass crash. That means maintaining a clear space
>between me and it.
>However, there is no end of shortdriving morons who are dying to pass so they
>can add themselves and their car to the bodycount. That wouldn't bother me so
>much except that after letting enough of these morons pass me and glue themselves
>to the pack ahead, my interval is filled up. Trying to back off further does not
>work because the road behind me has filled up, trapping my car right into an ever
>increasing pack. Now, if there was any slight possibility that there was a lane
>open ahead, I'd be glad to move over. But, there usually is no way in hell that
>anybody is going anywhere. So, I block the would-be passers. Not only for my own
>good , but theirs as well even though they are often too stupid to realize it.
>
Just an comment: I don't like it when people decide what's good for me...
If you think you're going to decide anything for me, you'd better be
carrying a badge and a gun. Who made you capable of determining if there
is "no way in hell that anybody is going anywhere"? Why do you find
it necessary to add to the problem instead of just minding your own
business? If someone is minding their own business, I will give them
all the room they want, and I'll try to make things easy for them, even
letting them in in front of me if they ask politely (with a directional).
On the other hand, if someone like you decides they want to block me and
be a general asshole, you can bet your ass that I'll make life as
miserable as possible for you, as long as it doesn't affect anyone else
who's minding their own business.
They have a phrase to describe someone like you:
Self Appointed Traffic Police.
Just mind your own business and stay in the right lane where you belong.
>As a rule of philosophy, I don't feel particularly sorry when somebody gets
>offed by his own stupidity, but It does worry me when some idiot is in a position
>to cash in my chips, too.
>
> H.H. Mayo
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| 7rec.autos |
Brian Kendig first states:
> I am my own master.
I ask:
> Are you truly the master of yourself?
Brian Kendig states:
> Not yet . . .
Make up your mind.
> . . . but my life is the ground I use to practice on. The fun is
> in the getting there! We don't start out perfect . . . .
And we do not end perfect either. We are never perfect. Can you name
one person, young or old, past or present, that you deem perfect?
Good luck.
> I know my shortcomings, and I know my strengths, and I live
> my life according to the decisions I make, and I am content to abide
> with the consequences of my decisions as easily as I'll accept the
> +praise for them. There have been times in my life when I've made
> mistakes, yes; I try to never make the same mistake twice.
Then you lie to yourself. You do not know your shortcomings. I have clearly
shown one of your shortcomings, if not two. That is, ignorance of the Bible
and the arrogance you demonstrate butchering it without even knowing its
contents.
> I regard Christ as a myth.
Because you have been too prideful to examine the record of him for yourself.
And to demonstate your lack of support for your conclusion, I bet you do not
even know what the word "Christ" means. Or which prophet used "Christ" to
describe the "Son of Man".
> I feel that there are far too many people
> offering far too many interpretations of what he supposedly said and
> did. The only person who can really judge me is *me*.
Yes. I agree with that. So we must learn first. Read the Bible. Come
up with our own interpretation. Evaluate what is being said
and by whom. Check the history books as well. Compare someone else's
interpretation with your own. Then make a judgment. But I tell you the
truth, 99% of what is being said in the Bible needs interpretation as
much as a coffee cup needs interpretation.
And remember, the Bible isn't a Guru's Esoteric Guide to Metaphysics.
It doesn't take a theologian to understand what is being said. The
Bible is a bunch of testimonies from people like you and I addressed
to people like you and I. These guys wrote down what they saw and heard. Is it
their open diary--and they want to tell you something. And because they
want you to know something, they make it very clear what they want you to
know. They didn't encouch their ideas in esoteric rhetoric, but in simple
straight-forward language.
> I choose the
> roads I travel, and I decide whether or not I want to reach the end of
> any given road or turn back -- and as long as I don't *always* turn
> back, there's no shame in it. When I need help, I seek out my friends.
You have chosen the road that avoids the Bible. You have chosen the
road that avoids a confrontation with the living God because that
road doesn't look appealing to you. You rather build your own road. One
that goes far away from that confrontation. But be assured of this,
you will have to confront him one day willingly or unwillingly.
>And you don't have a clue about what I'm saying, either. Open your
>eyes and SEE; open your ears and LISTEN. I'm not just spouting off
>empty words. This is my LIFE, this is what gives me MEANING.
I see what you mean. I hear what your saying. I am not degrading your
life. But I have heard the same irrational excuses for years. There is nothing
new in what you are saying. And by your own words, you are "spouting off"
contradictions. If contradictions give you meaning, then your life must
be sad.
> I say my mother loves me. How do I know, you ask? I can point to
> definite things she's done for me, and I can even just bring her to
> you so you can ask her, face-to-face.
> You say your deity loves you. How do you know, I ask?
Bingo. For God so loved the world, he GAVE his only begotton to son
so that whososever belives in him will have ever lasting life. I look
what God *did*. He has given his Son, even to his death, so that I can have
hope in his resurrection and know that life isn't for nothing, but has
glorious purpose.
> You can't even convince me that it exists!
Because you turn your eyes away from testimony and history. You choose to
lie to yourself that he doesn't exist, for you ignore what has been said for
thousands of years. You sound exactly, almost verbatim, like the Lazarus of
Jesus's story starting in Luke 16:19. And the conclusion of that story is a
bleak one. Lazarus wound up in hell. The story ends like this:
"For if Lazarus doesn't even listen to Moses and the Prophets,
he won't even believe if a man rose from the dead."
> If any god dangles 'heaven' before me like a carrot, promising untold
> pleasures to me if I'll only suspend my disbelief and ignore my
> rationality for just this once, then I would choose 'hell'. I can
> *not* lie to myself to placate another being, no matter how powerful
> it is.
Arrogance at its best. The fact is, you are not rational. Several specific
cases have already been cited. And again with this new statement, you show more irrationality with regards to heaven. Jesus does tell you something of what to expect
in heaven. Jesus expects you to use your brain to believe in him. Jesus does
not expect you to placate either. Jesus wants you to willingly come to him, but not
as his grovelling slave, but rather as his brother who will share in his
glorious riches. Why do you not pick up the Bible and read it for yourself.
You maintain you have an open mind. See whether you are lying to yourself for
yourself.
>>Why would you want to live a good life?
>>To you, you die and that's it. Don't contradict yourself. You have
>>no reason to live a good life. It doesn't do you any good in the
>>end. Your life doesn't do anybody else any good either because
>>everyone dies anyway. So you have no reason to lead a good life. Leading
>>a good life is meaningless. Why do you do such a meaningless thing?
>That paragraph demonstrates that you haven't listened to a single word
>I've said.
I do understand what you said. But that's is not what I feel went amiss here.
You missed the point. Living a "good life" has no eternal consequences.
Once they close the amusement park of life, to you that is the end. To you, it
is over. To you, therefore, your time spent in the amusement park is meaningless.
It has no eternal consequences to you nor to anyone left on earth.
But then you contradict yourself. From a previous post, you said doing evil things
is bad. To you, it shouldn't matter if you do evil things or good things. It is
all meaningless in the end anyway. So go rob a bank. Go tell someone
you dislike that he is a dirty rotten slime bag. What's restraining you?
Life after all, has no eternal consequences and accountability is irrelevant.
> In the same way, I think life is fun. And I don't intend to leave the
> amusement park of life until they close down for the night! :-D
At which time, you are truly not the master of yourself.
>>I'm sorry, I don't feel that sacrificing Jesus was something any god
>>I'd worship would do, unless the sacrifice was only temporary, in
>>which case it's not really all that important.
>
>Has the resurrection sunk in? Jesus is alive. Jesus is NOT dead.
So you (and your holy book) say. By the same token, therefore, Santa
Claus delivers toys every xmas. Don't you see? I have NO REASON to
believe that what you say is true. Please give me some reason that I
can't similarly apply to Santa Claus.
You have EVERY reason to believe that what Jesus says and the witnesses
of Jesus say are true. But you choose to be unreasonable and "ignore" the
reasons. By definition, "ignorance".
Santa Claus is said to live at the North Pole and have a squad of elves
and flying reindeer. Ever see a flying reindeer? Has anyone in human
history seen a flying reindeer? Has anyone seen a reindeer whose nose
blinks red?
On the other hand, are people born in Bethlehem? Was Nebuchandezzar really
a king? Was Daniel really one of his court officials? Were David and Solomon
really kings of Israel and Judah? Was their really a king called Jehoachin?
Did Sennecherib really attack Jerusalem 600 years before Christ? Did
Sennacherib really lose his battle--and badly? Was there really a
Caiaphas who interrogated Jesus? Yes, yes, yes . . . history verifies
it. It is NONFICTION.
Do you have a problem discerning truth from fiction? Perhaps you
can't evaluate the context of Grimm's Fairy Tales apart from
that of the Scientific American. I suppose you treat both with equal
truthfulness or equal falsity. Is this what you are telling me? Or
is it that just do want to read the Scientific American and find out
that it's not a fairy tale?
>Are you thereby inferring that your deity is nothing more than a
>collection of verses in a book, and cannot be supported without
>invoking them?
Get real. Have you ever been to Zaire? Do you have to go there
to be assured that there really is such a place? Given your
irrationality, I take it you have never used a map in your life.
> Why do you believe what you believe?
Given the overwhelming evidence as well as my personal experience with the living
God, I'd be an irrational unreasoning ignorant fool if I didn't follow Jesus.
| 19talk.religion.misc |
muttiah@thistle.ecn.purdue.edu (Ranjan S Muttiah) writes:
>Mr. Clinton said today that the horrible tragedy of the Waco fiasco
>should remind those who join cults of the dangers of doing so.
>Now, I began scratching my head thinking (a bad sign :-), "don't the
>mainstream religions (in this case Christianity...or the 7th day
>adventist in particular) just keep these guys going ? Isn't Mr. Clinton
>condemning his own religion ? After all, isn't it a cult too ?"
A good point. What helps to keep such things going is the public
attitude that one should have "faith""; that some authority from
on high should not be subjected to mere reason. Couple this with a
variety of personality quirks, mojor and minor mental illnesses, and
ego of would-be leaders, and you get all the variety of cults and
religions that people subscribe to.
.
| 19talk.religion.misc |
suopanki@stekt.oulu.fi writes:
> On 5 Apr 93 11:24:30 MST, jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com said:
> :> God is eternal. [A = B]
> :> Jesus is God. [C = A]
> :> Therefore, Jesus is eternal. [C = B]
>
> :> This works both logically and mathematically. God is of the set of
> :> things which are eternal. Jesus is a subset of God. Therefore
> :> Jesus belongs to the set of things which are eternal.
>
> Everything isn't always so logical....
>
> Mercedes is a car.
> That girl is Mercedes.
> Therefore, that girl is a car?
Unfortunately your phrasing is ambiguous. Re-writing more carefully, we have
(at least) two possibilities. The first:
Things called "Mercedes" are cars
That girl is called "Mercedes"
Therefore that girl is a car
That is entirely valid as a piece of logical deduction. It is not sound,
because the first statement is false. Similarly, I would hold that Jim's
example is valid but not sound.
Another possible interpretation of what you wrote is:
There exists at least one car called "Mercedes"
That girl is called "Mercedes"
Therefore that girl is a car
-- which isn't valid.
mathew
| 0alt.atheism |
Two URGENT requests:
1. I need the latest update and description of MA bill S-897. From
what I gather this bill takes the Hunter Safety Courses from
Law Enforcement and places them under Fish & Game control.
2. Has someone out there compiled a list of all MA Senate & House
Bills under consideration? If they have, please e-mail me
the list. If not, is there a database I can access?
Thanx,
Yours in the fight,
Mike P.
P.S. My wife and I thought Nancy B. was great on Street Stories.
--
Mike Procanik (617) 466-4126 mjp1@gte.com
*** I'm the NRA ***
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| 16talk.politics.guns |
Neal (neal@magpie.linknet.com) wrote:
: Once the National Guard has been called into federal service,
: it is under the command of the present. Tha National Guard, though
: defined as the "Militia" in the statutes, is actually a reserve component
: of the United State Army, and was formed pursuant to the power of Congress
: to raise and support Armies.
: Neal
Correction to the above: "present" should be "President", "Tha
National Guard" should be "The National Guard".
Excuse the typos.
Neal
| 16talk.politics.guns |
In article <1rhb58$9cf@hsdndev.harvard.edu>, rind@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu (David Rind) writes:
> In article <1993Apr26.103242.1@vms.ocom.okstate.edu>
> banschbach@vms.ocom.okstate.edu writes:
>>are in a different class. The big question seems to be is it reasonable to
>>use them in patients with GI distress or sinus problems that *could* be due
>>to candida blooms following the use of broad-spectrum antibiotics?
>
> I guess I'm still not clear on what the term "candida bloom" means,
> but certainly it is well known that thrush (superficial candidal
> infections on mucous membranes) can occur after antibiotic use.
> This has nothing to do with systemic yeast syndrome, the "quack"
> diagnosis that has been being discussed.
>
>
>>found in the sinus mucus membranes than is candida. Women have been known
>>for a very long time to suffer from candida blooms in the vagina and a
>>women is lucky to find a physician who is willing to treat the cause and
>>not give give her advise to use the OTC anti-fungal creams.
>
> Lucky how? Since a recent article (randomized controlled trial) of
> oral yogurt on reducing vaginal candidiasis, I've mentioned to a
> number of patients with frequent vaginal yeast infections that they
> could try eating 6 ounces of yogurt daily. It turns out most would
> rather just use anti-fungal creams when they get yeast infections.
>
>>yogurt dangerous). If this were a standard part of medical practice, as
>>Gordon R. says it is, then the incidence of GI distress and vaginal yeast
>>infections should decline.
>
> Again, this just isn't what the systemic yeast syndrome is about, and
> has nothing to do with the quack therapies that were being discussed.
> There is some evidence that attempts to reinoculate the GI tract with
> bacteria after antibiotic therapy don't seem to be very helpful in
> reducing diarrhea, but I don't think anyone would view this as a
> quack therapy.
> --
> David Rind
Yogurt contains Lactobacillus acidophilus and L. bulgaricus. L.
acidophilus is the major bacteria in the vaginal tract and is primarily
responsible for keeping the vaginal tract acidic and yeast free. Most of
the commercial yogurt sold in the U.S. has a very low L. acidophilus and L.
bulgaricus count. Neither of these bacteria are obligate anaerobes with are
much more important in dealing with the diarrhea problem. Gordon R. has told
me through e-mail that he gives his patients L. acidophilus and several
different obligate anaerobes(which set-up shop in the colon) but he hasn't
told me which ones yet. The Lactobacillus genera are mostly facultative
anaerobes and will set-up shop where they have access to oxygen if given a
chance(mouth, anus, sinus cavity and vagina). Having these good bacteria
around will greatly decrease the chance of candida blooms in the anal
region or the vagina. I have not proposed a systemic action for candida
blooms. I know that others swear that all kinds of symptoms arise from
the evil yeast blooms in the body. I'm not ready to buy that yet. I do
believe that complications at specific sites(vagina, anal and maybe lower
colon, sinus and mouth) can result from antibiotic use which removes the
competing bacteria from these sites and thus lets candida grow unchecked.
Restoring the right bacterial balance is the best way(in my opinion) to get
rid of the problem. Anti-fungals, a low carbohydrate diet and vitamin A
supplementation may all help to minimize the local irritation until the
good bacteria can take over control of the food supply again and lower the
pH to basically starve the candida out.
Marty B.
| 13sci.med |
Brian Kendig says:
> And since I felt reasonably sure of myself, I decided to start analyzing the
> Bible very closely. That was the catalyst to my break with my faith,
> though it was a long and difficult effort.
Brian Kendig also declares:
> "Christ" means "chosen", the person chosen to fulfill the prophesies
> of the Old Testament and bring about a new age of hope and spiritual
> growth for mankind.
"Christ" is Greek for "Messiah". "Messiah" means "Annointed One".
"Annoint" means "to rub with oil, i.e. to anoint; by impl. to
consecrate" The major prophet Daniel uses the word "Messiah"
in Daniel chapter 9.
How "closely" did you analyze the Bible? Looks as if you didn't
get past the first word. So was the catalyst to break your faith the
"priests" who interpreted the Bible for you? Did you ever do what
the Bereans did to Paul's teachings in Acts 17?
| 19talk.religion.misc |
In article <C5t41s.8nz@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> lfoard@hopper.Virginia.EDU (Lawrence C. Foard) writes:
>In article <15427@optilink.com> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes:
>>
>>In article <C5K5LC.CyF@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, lfoard@hopper.Virginia.EDU (Lawrence C. Foard) writes:
>>> In article <15378@optilink.com> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes:
>># #From the Santa Rosa (Cal.) Press-Democrat, April 15, 1993, p. B2:
>># #
>># # Male sex survey: Gay activity low
>># #
>># # A new natonal study on male sexual behavior, the most thorough
>># # examination of American men's sexual practices published since
>># # the Kinsey report more than four decades ago, shows about 2
>># # percent of the men surveyed had engaged in homosexual sex and
>># # 1 percent considered themselves exclusively homosexual.
>
>The politicians will have plenty to be scared of in one week be it 1% or
>90%.
>
>># 2) It will be interesting to see the reaction when 2.5million queers
>># gather in Washington DC. After all if there are only 6million of
>># us then this is an event unprecidented in history...
>>
>>But many of the people who will be marching aren't homosexuals, but
>>other members of the leftist agenda.
>
>I'm sure there will be a few non queers, but the vast majority are
>queer.
I find it very interesting that you say there will be 2.5 million
queers in the march on Washington. The largest figure I've seen in
the press is 1 million and we all know how liberal the press is with
their numbers. :)
For another thing, 1% of 250 million is 2.5 million not 6. Maybe
that's where you got the 2.5 million number. Also, the number cited
in the actual report is 1.5% so that would be about 3.75 million.
As for this march on Washington, I wonder how much the media is
going to inflate the numbers this time. Last time, for the
pro-abortion rally, they more than doubled the actual number of
people who showed up. That and all the stories coming out of how
the press "slants" the news really makes one wonder who's watching
the watchers.
BCNU.
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| --> Jon Schell <-- | Life is something to do when you can't |
| The Master | get to sleep. -- Fran Lebowitz |
| tm@ucsd.edu | Anything that is good and useful is |
| jhschell@ucsd.edu | made of chocolate. -- Fortune |
| jonschell@aol.com | "RE-boot to the head." -- me |
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| 18talk.politics.misc |
In article <1993Apr14.173428.12056@Princeton.EDU>, roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig) writes:
>
> >In article <1993Apr13.115313.17986@bsu-ucs>, 00mbstultz@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
> > writes...
>
> >>I've recently been working on project to determine the greatest
> >>players at their respective postions.
>
> >>2B Career
What about U. Johnny Hodapp, the greatest 2nd baseman in Cleveland Indians
history? 225 hits in 1930, consistantly over .300. A great, great second baseman.
Jon "Johnny" Hodapp
jmhodapp@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu
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| 9rec.sport.baseball |
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In article <1993Apr19.182341.7516@tijc02.uucp> pjs269@tijc02.uucp (Paul Schmidt) writes:
>sys1@exnet.co.uk (Xavier Gallagher) writes:
>: >
>:
>: So? What does this prove? I do not object to *property ownership* I
>: just think property ownership should be limited to what an individual
>: person/family *needs*. I do not *need* 200,000 acres to survive, I
>: need about 3 acres at most and could get by on less. I argue that
>: by having *all* property tied up and thus cutting people off form
>: the basic level of subsistance that the property owners must bribe
>: the rest of us to respect their ownership rights by providing
>: alternative means of subsistance. When we are expected to give
>: these peoperty owners (lets call them thieves) bribes in order to
>: be able to subsists then we have a sick situation. The property owners
>: are then parasites.
>
>I want people to be able to live happy and prosperous lives. Property
>owners cannot maintain a monopoly in the free enterprise system unless
>they have help from a coercive government. When a few land owners get
>together and try to control all the land without selling, land prices
>will go up. At some point it will be to the advantage of the land owner
>to sell some of his property. Trying to put a group of people to
>distribute land "fairly" would give them "monopoly control" over the
>land, and would have the consequences you speak of. Let's keep the land
>out of the grasp of a monopoly and let it exist in the free market.
-------------------------------------------
It's already in the hands of a monopoly of the rich because of capitalism
of land. Other than government land, saved for posterity and the eco-system
as well as government function, the remaining land is owned by a smaller
percentage of the people than ever before. The game of capitalism is almost
won. The game has only to be declared over and we will have to take matters
into our own hands and redistribute it again fairly, or else be enslaved in
return for a place to live. Here in central California, already, fewer than
30% own all the property and 5% of them own 90% of it. That's twice what it
was twenty years ago. Rents are so high that you pay 60% of your income for
rent. If you just have a McJob, all you can afford is one room, if that.
Some 30% of minimum wage workers are homeless. Unless you both have degrees
in technical fields and are working in them, (in the midst of 30%
unemployment in high tech jobs!), you will never own anything but a used
car if you choose to have more than one child!!! And everywhere else you
could afford there are no jobs. The only way to get there is to save and
not consume any more than you have to, clothing used, food poor. No movies,
no entertainment,, ect. for about five to seven years, and then, if you've
saved $20,000, if you can get together that much, and that's ignoring your
kids and working two jobs, then you can buy a home in Arkansas or Missouri
outright and live somewhere where they flood every other year! That's an
exaggeration if you pay close attention to the flood lines on other
people's houses and find a sturdy hill, then you can buy one up there! Also
buy a rowboat. Missouri's not so bad, if you like the sensation of sleeping
in a sweatbox in summer and your car freezing solid in winter. They really
do put those heaters into the dipstick hole to keep them warm enough to
start with ether!:) Shit, kill the rich and redistribute the livable
property. Kill all of them!
-RSW
>I want people to be able to work and gain a basic subsistance and more.
>Is there a workable system for what you suggest? I am always looking
>for improvements on the way we can coexist in this world and will give
>people happy, meaningful lives, where each individual can reach their
>highest potential. Are you asking for the forced redistribution of
>land? Any system I imagine will lead to unfairnes, pollution, over
>popullation, and land mismanagement. If you know of such a system,
>please describe it. Please be specific, since my imagination cannot
>comprehend such a system. Specifics that I am interested in:
> 1. Does someone get land assigned them when they are born?
> 2. What happens to someone's land when they die? Can they pass
> it on to their children?
> 3. Can someone sell land?
> 4. Can someone leaase their land?
> 5. What governmental restrictions will be put on land use?
> 6. Who will administer such a system?
> 7. How much will it cost to administer such a system?
>I know that this is alot to ask and will understand if you do not have
>the time to answer these questions. I think I will be better able to
>understand what you are proposing, if you can answer these quesitons.
>Paul Schmidt: Advocates for Self-Government, Davy Crockett Chapter President
---------------------------------------------
The land is simply granted to people who live on it now. Extra is kept for
the future. You get to stay where you are without paying rent. Land that
supports others becomes property of the state. Farmers are welcome to plant
crops that people need according to demand and ability and soil quality. If
you want to grow sourgum because you always did, and you aren't doing a
good job, then we let another farmer grow sorghum, and you grow something
else. When people die the land they were entitled to use goes into the
public holdings. No one can sell land, but they can trade places with
anybody. No one can lease land. The government will locally distribute the
use of the land not used for residences. Residences that are insufficient
to the families living there can be traded to the public for a larger house
and yard according to need and availability. The local land council who vow
to live on their land till death to avoid profit ties will decide fairness
subject to review by the state and federal land councils. It will cost no
more than any fucking thing costs now with fucking assed rent going down a
deep dark hole to the owners! Anyone can submit a request for a larger
house or land to start a business on, depending on a valid business plan
and community needs. Heavy equipment is subject to seizure for the public
good or as needed. Heavy equipment operators are encouraged to keep and
maintain their own machine and to operate it at a reasonable salary in
service to the community. Companies who own many machines are to be divided
among the appropriate equipment operators and the rest to be let to valid
operators on a need basis. Cost of upkeep is charged. A guild of heavy
machine operators is recognized for safety and training's sake. Their
council is a subcouncil to the community council. Etc. Etc. Etc. It isn't
so hard to think of a better system than we have. All you have to do is
realize that the system we have now is not sacrosanct, in fact it's a
rigged game that steals you blind and is the most unfair any system could
be already!!!!!!!! The trick is to realize that the old rich have been
making the rules behind your back and that it's time to kick them off the
merry-go-round. Tax the rich to death. They are the ones that converted
your 60's school lunch program into the joke it is today. They are the ones
who always cut education. They are the ones who always raise the rent when
you get a raise. They are the ones who should be not just dislodged but
killed for their abuse. I have trouble justifying the death penalty for a
poor kid who killed and didn't know why not. I have no trouble justifying
the death penalty for the rich who steal countless human lives to feed
their greed! Have you paid rent most of your life? Then you have been
enslaved, percentage wise, most of your life. We used to be serfs. Now we
are called renters, and we are still enslaved to somebody who claims to own
land they don't use and make us pay them for it when they did nothing to
own it. Most rents in California are enough to buy the apartment house,
paynthe taxes and the insurance and have a little left over to travel with!
I have seen the books! I know what my landlord pays and to whom! I know
what I pay her. I am being forced to buy her a building and then I will be
let out at the other end with nothing, when I had as much right as her to
live on this planet! And her child will have the money to likewise
enslave my child. I hope I find out when I am going to die. I can make
things just a little happier form me to be able to destroy her life as she
destroyed mine. And maybe I can take a few other landlords with me, and
their heirs. That would be worth it. Then to be able to die before they can
do anything to me. That's a poor man's dream. Sleep tight, bastard
landlords. You don't know the trouble you are buying yourself as you sleep
on my heirs money in your mattress!
-RSW
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* 515 Maple Street #1 * Without safe and free abortion women are *
* Santa Cruz, CA 95060 organ-surrogates to unwanted parasites.* *
* Real Men would never accept organ-slavery and will protect Women. *
| 18talk.politics.misc |
In article <9304280923.AA26702@sun4nl.nluug.nl>, bultman@dgw.rws.nl (G.W.Bultman) writes:
|> Hi,
|>
|> I'm looking for RGB (cube) --> HLS (double hexcone) --> HSV (cylinder)
|> conversion routines. I have RGB <--> HSV, but miss the HLS <--> RGB/HSV.
|>
Have you checked Foley's book? The solutions are in chapter 13.
Yeh
USC
| 1comp.graphics |
In article <1993Apr16.174436.22897@midway.uchicago.edu> pkgeragh@gsbphd.uchicago.edu (Kevin Geraghty) writes:
>wrong about the whole guns-for-protection mindset, it ignores the
>systemic effects of cumulative individual actions. If you want fire
>insurance on your house that's prudent and it has no effect on me; but
>if you and a bunch of other paranoids are packing handguns in the
>backcountry it makes me, and anyone else who doesn't chose to protect
>himself in this manner, pretty f**king nervous.
Why? If you're not a threat, you're not affected at all.
>I mean, take this to its logical conclusion, suppose we all carried
>handguns all the time, for protection from all the other people
>carrying handguns. Would we collectively be, or feel, safer? Hell no.
>We'd feel a lot more insecure.
Why? I note that the available psych info says that feelings of
security INCREASE. The victimization stats say that that increase
is rational.
>Another systemic effect of all the "good" people protecting themselves
>is that the "bad" people are going to modify their behavior in
>response:
Yes, they are, but how?
>they're going to be much itchier and much more willing to
>kill people in the course of routine muggings if they think their
Nope - that doesn't happen. Instead the switch (among those who
change behaviors) to property crimes. That's an improvement even if
the economic take is unchanged. Sure - not everyone switches, but
they were killing before.
-andy
--
| 16talk.politics.guns |
In article <1993Apr18.192508.12442@isc-br.isc-br.com>, steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes:
|> In article <1993Apr8.200326.27560@infonode.ingr.com> albeaj@jima.b17d.ingr.com (Jim Albea) writes:
|> >In article <1993Mar24.235606.15959@isc-br.isc-br.com>, steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes:
|> >|> >> Steve proposes a system of checking what other nations are in to
|> >|> >> as criteria for what our government should try.
|> >|> > I counter that the limits of the constitution might be a better
|> >|> > place to check.
|>
|> >|> Gee, Jim, if you'll check the Constitution you'll find "in order to...
|> >|> promote the general welfare...do ordain and establish this Constitution..."
|> >|> I'm surprised you missed it. It's right there in the first paragraph. I
|> >|> would have thought you would have made it at least through the preamble.
|> >
|> >You almost got it right, and it was a good try, but you should follow your
|> >own advice. The PREAMBLE to the CONSTITUTION does read as you have quoted
|> >but let us not forget that after all it is only the preamble. It is not
|> >a binding part of the Constitution and carries no weight in the law. That
|> >poor tortured paragraph has got to be one of the most unfortunate passages
|> >in the English language - witness the legions of blowhards like yourself who
|> >think those vague flowery phrases are part of the law of the land. Do you
|> >really believe that a politician only has to give lip service to "promoting
|> >the general welfare" to be within the limits of the constitution?
|>
|> Sorry, buddy, but some other "blowhards" managed to include the "general
|> welfare" in another portion of the constitution.
|>
|> Article I Section 8: "The Congress shall have the power to lay and collect
|> taxes...to pay the debts and provide for the common defence and GENERAL
|> WELFARE of the United States..."
|>
|> I guess they wanted to make sure everyone understood they meant what they
|> said in the preamble.
|>
|> >Just to make sure you've got the point, let's do a little experiment. What
|> >if the constitution read as follows?
|> >Preamble: We the people, to promote the general Welfare, do ordain
|> > and establish this Constitution for the United States of
|> > America.
|> >Constitution: The Federal Government shall have one function and one
|> > function only - to provide for the defense of the nation.
|> >The government would not then have two functions: defense and Welfare.
|>
|> But since it explicitly includes both the general welfare and defense
|> in Article I, Section 8, I guess you'll grant that botha are constitutional
|> functions. Right?
Steve I'm glad to see that you abandoned the preamble thing. What; did
you do a word search to find Welfare somewhere else in the constitution?
[my comments and paraphrases in brackets]
Article I Section 8: [in some ways the guts of the constitution]
The Congress shall have the Power:
1. To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises,
to pay the Debts [indebtedness as defined in the document]
and provide for the common Defence [Defence as precisely defined]
and general Welfare [as defined through the document, mostly in ways
[that limit the government.]
of the United States; [but the above taxes shall be uniform through-
[out the U.S.]
[so far the congress has been given the power to collect taxes uniformly]
[ then ... ]
2. To borrow Money [...]
3. To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, [interstate and Indian tribes]
4. To [do uniform Naturalization and Bankruptcies]
5. To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and [etc.]
6. To [punish counterfeiters]
7. To establish Post Offices and post Roads
8. To [provide patents and copyrights]
9. To constitute Tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court;
10. To define and punish Piracies and [etc.]
11. To declare War, [and etc.]
12. To raise and support Armies,[but for no longer than two years at a stretch]
13. To provide and maintain a Navy, [notice no time limit on this one]
14. To [make the rules for the army and navy]
15. To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws [etc.]
16. To provide for [training of the army except for some state stuff]
17. To exercise exclusive Legislation [in D.C]
18. To make all Laws [necessary to execute the foregoing "Powers"].
Your original instinct was right. Looking to other nations for precedents
that support an expansive liberal agenda is much easier than looking to the
slim pickins found in the constitution.
--
Jim Albea jwalbea@jima.b17d.ingr.com
| 18talk.politics.misc |
In article <1993Apr20.154658@IASTATE.EDU> kv07@IASTATE.EDU (Warren Vonroeschlaub) writes:
> Let's say that we drop a marble into the black hole. It races, ever faster,
>towards the even horizon. But, thanks to the curving of space caused by the
>excessive gravity, as the object approaches the event horizon it has further to
>travel. Integrating the curve gives a time to reach the event horizon of . . .
>infinity. So the math says that nothing can enter a black hole.
Is this Zeno's Paradox? Nothing can get out of a black hole because
the escape velocity is the speed of light. I don't know how time dialation
can prevent matter spiraling in from getting to the event horizon. Can any-
one explain how matter gets in.
I hope that it was clear that a black hole can lose mass to its
surroundings via the so-called Hawking rediation. This is the idea that
virtual partical pairs can form so close to the event horizen that one
of the pair is trapped and the other goes free. The conservation of
energy requires that the black hole lose mass, albeit very slowly, that
that if primordial black holes were formed, the ones about the size of
small asteriods should be evaporating about now in the history of our
universe. The story goes that we should be able to see the flashes caused
by the explosions that result at the end of these black holes. Does this
idea still hold promise, or has it been debunked.
Bruce Salem
| 19talk.religion.misc |
wrote:
: In article <1r6p8oINN8hi@clem.handheld.com>, jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De
: Arras) wrote:
: >
: > I have not made up my mind about Waco, but there sure seems to be a group of
: > devoted government following fanatics willing to believe whatever that
: > government wants to tell them, without any shred of doubt, nor thought of thier
: > own. They sure get shrill whenever their belief structure is being shaken.
: >
: > Kinda reminds you of the BDs, doesn't it?
: >
: > Jim
: Go to hell. I'm no "government [-] following fanatic." Your sweeping
: generalizations evince your own ignorance. What were they supposed to do?
: Just let him be?
Yes. Given the history of the BD's and the fact that they were just
peacefully minding their own business, I think this would have been
the correct course of action in the very beginning. Everything that
followed was a direct result of the major media fuck-up that the BATF
perpetrated just over 51 days ago.
:Fuck him. Fuck the ATF, too. They should've done it right
: the first time.
: joe.kusmierczak@mail.trincoll.edu
Yep, no doubt about it. They should have just bombed those kooks
right from the git-go. Yeah, sure! So much for any resemblence
to an America that abides by the Constitution. So much for feeling
safe in your home. So much for any of the rights enumerated in the
Bill of Rights being upheld. Why bother? They just get in the way
of an effective government. That is, a government of the elite, by
the elite, for the elite.
Joe, attitudes like yours frighten me. You have very few facts about
what actually happened, and what information you do have came from a
single source, the FBI/BATF. Yet you are more than happy to pronounce
the BD's guilty-as-charged based on this one-sided testimony. Scary!
--
Keith Marchington
| 16talk.politics.guns |
In article <1993Apr21.090638.6253@titan.ksc.nasa.gov> rodger-scoggin@ksc.nasa.gov (Rodger C. Scoggin) writes:
>In article <DZVB3B6w164w@cellar.org>, techie@cellar.org (William A Bacon) says:
>>
>The Earth may spew alot of substances into the atmosphere, but the quality
>of your toxic output can easily make up for the lack of quantity.
Excuse me? Quality? As in grade A CO2 and grade B CO2? I may not have
this quite right but I was under the impression that CO2 was CO2.
Furthermore,
>the planet is a system of carbon, sulfur and other chemicals which have been
>acting for billions of years, we are but newcomers to the system - we must adapt
>and control in order to bring about stability. Also, two wrongs do not make a right,
>so continuing our practices despite overwhelming data is just ignorance in (non)action.
A) There is no reason to believe this system is inherently stable-
The Ice ages occured without any help from humans.
B) The point was that the human contribution of CO2 and other
greenhouse gasses is insignificant and it won't really make a difference if
we make more or less.
C) What overwhelming data? I see lots of 'projections' of the future,
which is fascinating, considering they can't predict the weather two weeks
in advance.
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* William Everett Tan, Rested, and ready *
* Harvey Mudd College NIXON in '96 *
* *
* These opinions are mine- you can't have them *
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| 18talk.politics.misc |
In article <1qk0tf$or9@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> friedenb@silver.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg) writes:
>Absolutely. If Yoni and Bibi Natanyahu are "typical jew leader"s,
>then I personally am proud to aspire to such a status (disregarding
>Hamaza H. Salah's negative connotation of Jews). Yoni was a great
>man and a Harvard grad who died for his country and people.
Let's not forget that Yoni Netanyahu died while freeing civilian
hostages from PLO terrorists who had hijacked a passenger airliner to
Uganda. Mrs. Dora Bloch apparently died in Uganda though I don't
believe that her body has ever been found. This is the very same PLO
that both Rabin and Netanyahu refuse to negotiate with. This should
not be surprising.
--
Jake Livni jake@bony1.bony.com Ten years from now, George Bush will
American-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the
My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President.
| 18talk.politics.misc |
[stuff deleted]
>
>For example, I subscribe to 2 magazines, "ABC news" and "XYZ products".
>I give my name as "Joseph X. Cool" for the first, and "Joe Q. Cool" for
>the 2nd. When I get junk mail addressed to "Joseph X. Cool", I know
>where they bought my name.
>
>This doesn't help NOT getting junk mail, but you at least know who's
>selling your name. And if you ask companies to NOT sell your name to
>mailing lists/tele-marketeers, they are not supposed to (as in, it's
>illegal.)
>
>And in case you haven't guessed, I don't really use Joe Cool.
>
>--
My company maintains a 20,000+ mailing list which is regularly rented for
one time use by the major software companies. The method you are using to
"seed" your junk mail, isn't really effective. Bulk mailers regulary
either send their databases to be "cleaned" by the NCOA, which if you've
moved recently, will revert back to the original "xxx Cool", and in large
mailings, there will likely be a dupe of you, and they'll pick the first, and use the
others for future mailings.
BTW, our list is currently one of the hottest lists for actual buyers of
a MS Windows utility product in the $100 range, and is available through
Direct Media in CT., at $0.10 per name. Please let your direct mail
marketing rep. know about this.. Thanks.
TEd
>
> --- Matthew Caprile || Hey, I only speak for myself ! Even I ---
> --- || won't admit to the opinions expressed ---
> --- caprile@apple.com || here, so don't expect my employer to. ---
| 6misc.forsale |
slc@a2.cim.cdc.com (Steve Chesney x4662) writes:
>* if I create a windowed MS-DOS session (386 mode), when the text starts
> to scroll, rather than printing characters it starts to print
> horizontal lines that spill out to the desktop and trash the entire
> display. Ctrl-alt-del terminates the dos window and restores the
> desktop
It is a bug in the driver (the first driver (containing _many_ other bugs)
didn't had this problem). You can work around by disabling the hardware
scroll of the card.
Just type "24xmode scrolloff" before starting windows.
Jan
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In article <Apr.21.03.26.39.1993.1370@geneva.rutgers.edu>
lfoard@hopper.virginia.edu (Lawrence C. Foard) writes:
[ -and many others mailed me. Here is a reply to one of the letters. Seems to
me that atheist do not like the doctrine of hell!]
>There's nothing like a preacher to put fear into an
> ignorant man...
>If God hadn't created Hell in the first place, there'd be no
> no need to "die" and save us. Isn't it also a bit paradoxical
> to say "God died" when, in fact, no such thing is remotely
> possible. Can the infinite die?
Your using 20th century concepts to interprete 1st century writers. Of course,
in your termonology, God could not "cease to exist." However, that is not what
death ever means in the Scriptures. If you will study the word, you will see
that it signifies "separation." Death is separation, not ceastation. This is
the reason for the agony of the cross. For the first time in eternity, one
member of the Godhead was separated from the other two.
I once met a young lady that was as beautiful as any model that ever lived.
She was as personable as any saint ever imagined. She was to become my
"girlfriend" for several years. However, having been drafted, we were
separated by distance. To me that was a form of death. Later, she decided
that she couldn't wait for me to come home and bid me adue. That to me was
death. It was separation from that which had made me whole. Death is
separation and eternal death is eternal separation from His fellowship, not
because He chose to send you into outer darkness, but because you chose to go
there.
>> did you know that Jesus talked more
>> about hell than He did about heaven!
>Thank you for this info. What respect I had for the man now
> has been diminished tenfold. I promise never again to
> say how wise or loving this man was...
When I rebelled against my earthly father, he spanked me. I found no wisdom in
that until I had grown older and especially until I had my own children. He
was trying to guide me away from hurt that would enter my life if I continued
on my suicidal course. He did it in love though I interpreted it as harsh and
unloving. If God warns of impending danger, that is love. If choose to let us
do as we please, and then at the end tell us the rules, that would be harsh.
You have a conscience, no matter how calused or fallen it is, that witnesses to
you that a thing is wrong and that there is cause for fear.
>Being Jesus was allegedly God, I doubt he could honestly feel
> the pinpricks man dealt him...
This may give light to the error of your understanding. One must have correct
knowledge in order to have correct faith. Faith and knowledge are inseparable.
Jesus most certainly felt the "pinpricks" of life. As the Scripture say:
Heb. 4:15 For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our
weaknesses, but One who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without
sin.
The kenosis passage of Phil 2 states that He gave up His Godhead attributes
when He took upon Himself humanity. It has been a favorite meditation of mine
to think about this. It was to be my PhD thesis. "The Consciousness of
Christ." I have talked at length with a great many people about this
interesting study, including clh.
It is my conclussion that as Jesus, the 2nd member of the Trinity, actually
suffered as we do. He became part of the human race and experienced it as we
do. He "grew in knowledge." He chose not to grasp His omniscience, but chose
to be taught. It is my understanding that He was "led of the Spirit" to such
an extent that sometimes it is hard to distinquish between Jesus the man and
Jesus as God. But in Jn 8 where the adulterous women was thrown before Him,
the tenses are quite clear in that the whole situation took Him by surprise.
That is, He was not aware that this event was to take place in time. He was
living sequential history as you or I.
Maybe some other time we can discuss this, but it is a very lengthy discussion
and one that causes the curcuit breakers of the brain to pop more often than
not.
>Thanks again for the info. Just so you know, some friends and I
> are starting a Freethinkers organization-- and I'm going to
> use some of the info you provided for an organization intro-
> duction... :-)
I was once a member of that club. THe "free thinker" is a glorious ideal. By
contrast, of course, you believe that the believer is the unforunate repository
of everything that is dogmatic, inhibited, reactionary and repressive. I find
such a stance to be as amusing as it is absurd. If the liberal humanist
wishes to criticize a Christian or a Buddhist or a Marxist, that is his right.
But what he must not pretend is that he was led to this solely by his "rational
doubt" when in fact he was led to it by his "faith". He must acknowledge that
while it is rational doubt for him as a "free thinker" to criticize the
Christian, it might equally be a rational doubt for the Christian to criticize
him as a humanist. If there is no faith, there can be no dout. There is no
faith which cannot choose to cast doubt on some other faith.
Pascal pointed out that "sceptical arguments allow the positive to be positive.
Few. . .speak dubiously of scepticism." The fact that skeptics are not
skeptical about skepticism is further evidence that to doubt anything we must
believe in something else! THe person who is skeptical toward one faith or
even most faiths, will be the devoted adherent of another. In fact, it is a
measure of his poverty both that he is unaware of it and that he can define
himself only in negative terms, hence the term "a"-theist.
Some people claim otherwise and argue vociferously for complete skepticism. In
my campus ministry I ran across this more times than I care to remember.
However, they disproved their own argument with every thought, every word,
every point of logic that they used. Every moment of shared communication
speaks against their total skepticism. Their very insistence of trying to make
sense is eloquent testimony to assumptions that are powerful though silent.
That is to say, that complete skepticism is impossible and limited skepticism
is arbitrary. Next time you're in a room of skeptics, yell out "Look, your fly
is undone!" Each person chooses what he is skeptical about and what he
believes without skepticism. To stress this is to belabor the obvious, but it
underlines the point that no one can know exhaustively how he knows what he
knows. Pure objectivism is a myth and complete skepticism an impossiblity.
The answer to this impasse lies in a 3rd way of knowing, one which is based on
presuppositions. But if knowledge proceeds on what must be presupposed before
it is proved, the cover is blown on the pretentions of critical doubt, and
critical doubt depends on the idea that human knowledge is totally objective
and neutral. In other words, another myth.
Presuppositions my friend. It is impossible to doubt anything unless there is
something we do not doubt -our own assumptions/presuppostions. Even these can
be criticezed only upon the basis of other assumptions. Presuppostitons are
our silent partners in thought but their silence must not be mistaken for
absence.
> I tell you what-- if God condemns me for being honest, He is
> unworthy of my worship. Better to burn in Hell than to
> serve a tyrant in Heaven..
Of course that is hardly an original statement. Milton coined it but it had
been in use for millenia. It was even used in the first "Highlander" movie.
But again, your presuption is based on a faulty knowledge of the character of
God. You are operating off of a presuppositional premise of humanistic
theology, not what He has revealed of Himself through history, through His
prophets, through His Word, and lastly, but most of all, thru His Son. If you
are to reject God's annointed savior, then reject Him from a correct
understanding of Himself.
--Rex
| 15soc.religion.christian |
In a previous article, guyd@austin.ibm.com (Guy Dawson) says:
>Something to bear in mind is what the V in VLB stands for!
>
>V for Video - the origional intention of the bus was to speed up
>the bus so that large memory to memory transfers would be faster.
>This is espically useful in transfering data from main memory to
>video memory.
Well, not to be picky, but the V in VLB stands for VESA.
While the V in VESA stands for video, saying the V in VLB stands
for video is not entirely correct.
--
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
In article <1993Apr21.152327.7651@hemlock.cray.com>, ant@palm21.cray.com (Tony Jones) writes:
|> Has anyone any experience with the (new?) Yamaha Cyclelok ?
Oooo,I hope it's nothing like I had on my Seca turbo.
I had locked up the back wheel and forgot about it.
When I took off I heard a 'clunk', but I just drove away
leaving the lock broken on the ground. Real security
in action.
--
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= The Beav |Mike Beavington| Dod:9733 =
= V65Sabre mbeaving@bnr.ca =
= My employer has no idea what I'm talking about! =
===================================================
| 8rec.motorcycles |
I am currently searching for old video tapes of music groups of the early
80's to the late 80's. At first I requested VHS formats, but now i'm accepting
either VHS, 8MM, OR BETA. The type of format i'm interested in are the
type that most nite clubs or trendy clothing stores play. If you do have any
of these tapes just send me a reply with a few groups listed, i'll reply back
if the groups listed are the type i'm searching for. I'll gladly pay you what
they are worth or trade for other movie or music videos, thanks.
Tom.
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| 6misc.forsale |
Hello,
I am interested in trying this "desensitization" (?) method
against hay fever.
What is the state of affairs about this. I went to a doctor and
paid $85 for a 10 minute interview + 3 scratches, leading to the
diagnostic that I am allergic to (June and Timothy) grass.
I believe this. From now on it looks like 2 shots per week for
6 months followed by 1 shot per month or so. Each shot costs
$20. Talking about soaring costs and the Health care system, I would
call that a racket. We are not talking about rare Amazonian grasses
here, but the garbage which grows behind the doctor's office.
Apart from this issue, I was somewhat disappointed to find out
that you have to keep getting the shots forever. Is that right?
Thanks for information.
Ej
| 13sci.med |
In article <1993Apr14.184448.2331@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes:
> If alcohol were again banned today, it would be MUCH more
> difficult to manage a large-scale smuggling operation.
> The cops now rank just a narrow notch below the military
> in communications, intelligence gathering and firepower.
Proof by assertion! I love it! Uh, please explain why the smugglers
do not also rank a notch below (or above) the military in terms
of communications, intelligence gathering (e.g., why fight officials
when you can bribe them..."I'll give you a hundred grand to let that
semi past..."), and firepower.
> In a similar vein, the amount of marijuana smuggled into
> this country has greatly decreased. This is because its
> value-per-pound is very low when compared to cocaine or
> heroin. It's simply not worth the risk, it's uneconomical.
> Now, most reefer is domestic. There is less pressure on
> the domestic producer (showy raids notwithstanding) and
> thus it is economical. Of note though ... domestic reefer
> is now very strong, so a small volume goes a long way.
> You cannot make alcohol stronger than 200 proof - not a
> good dollar/pound deal.
>
What's the point here? You're arguing that the black market
WORKS (which it does, of course).
> Firearms tend to fall into this low dollar/pound area.
This is the wrong way to quantify things. The smuggler would
be concerned about value/cubic foot. Go to a gun show and
price out a crate of good quality handguns.
> It would not be economic to smuggle them in. All production
> would have to be local. There are not all that many people
What's "local?"
> who have both the skill AND motivation to assemble worthwhile
> firearms from scratch. High-ranking crime figures could
What is a worthwhile firearm? Hell, anything that WORKS! Go
get yourself a copy of the Army's 1969 Improvised Munitions Manual.
See how easy it is to make a functional firearm.
> obtain imported Uzis and such, but the average person, and
> average thug, would be lucky to get a zip-gun - and would
> pay through the nose for it.
If paying $10 for inconspicuous parts at the local K-Mart is
"through the nose."
Drew
--
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*** when you outlaw rights, only outlaws will have rights ***
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| 16talk.politics.guns |
Here's a suggestion for the logical argument FAQ. I don't think it's covered,
though the fallacy probably has a better name than the one I used: How about
it, mathew?
INCONSISTENCY AND COUNTEREXAMPLE
This occurs when one party points out that some source of information takes
stand A, which is inconsistent with B. There are two variations in which B is
either a mutually-agreed-on premise or else a stand elsewhere from the same
source. The second party fallaciously responds by saying "see, the source
really does say B, it's right here!"; this reply does not refute the allegation
of inconsistency because it does not show that the source _only_ says B.
Example of the first type: "The Koran says unbelievers should be treated in
these ways. We can both agree these are immoral." "The Koran clearly says in
this other passage that unbelievers are not to be treated that way."
Example of the second type: "There are two Biblical creation stories." "You're
wrong, since the Bible clearly describes the creation as [description]."
--
"On the first day after Christmas my truelove served to me... Leftover Turkey!
On the second day after Christmas my truelove served to me... Turkey Casserole
that she made from Leftover Turkey.
[days 3-4 deleted] ... Flaming Turkey Wings! ...
-- Pizza Hut commercial (and M*tlu/A*gic bait)
Ken Arromdee (arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu)
| 0alt.atheism |
If anyone has the current Moto Guzzi National Owners Club
address please e-mail it to me. Thanks in advance!
T.K.
--
| 8rec.motorcycles |
In article <1993Apr21.131510.3215@memex.co.uk> peter@memex.co.uk writes:
>I thought it was quite difficult to record a modem session at some
>intermediate point on the line. Maybe they have taken a crash course
>in data comms and have a unit that demodulates the tones and stores the
>digital stream for decryption later. This would still suffer from the
>called BABT. It has been stated, either here or in the uk.telecom group,
>that they will not approve equipment that does encryption. I don't know
>if this is true or not, but this would make a good test case.
>
> Peter Ilieve peter@memex.co.uk
You forget the obvious! If it is an *authorised* tap then it can be done at
the exchange. If the exchange is *digital* then I suspect that you can
auto-monitor a line and pickup the full link. Therefore syncing a piggyback
modem on the line would not be impossible - I suspect.
--
Mike H. (mike@avon.demon.co.uk)
| 11sci.crypt |
I have a Fostex X-26 4-Track Recorder for sale. It is in excellent condition
and includes Dolby Noise Reduction, sub-mixing, 6 inputs and uses normal cassettes. If you are interested, make me an offer. Please respond to:
zmed16@trc.amoco.com
Thanks,
Mike
| 6misc.forsale |
In article <1993Apr13.213527.3706@ultb.isc.rit.edu> snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu (S.N. Mozumder ) writes:
> How about people who are not religous? Take the inner city. There are
> many people that care little for religion. Lot of crime. Lot of
> murder. This is the other end- lack of religion- that allows wrong to
> happen.
I lived in Tokyo for a year and a half, and one of the many reasons why
I intend to go back indefinitely is the freedom one enjoys when one can
walk anywhere (and I mean *anywhere*) at any time of day or night and not
feel uneasy, even if one's from an ethnic minority as I was.
Clues for Bobby (why do I bother?): (i) Tokyo is a city, and inner Tokyo
is an inner city; (ii) there is a negligible level of violent crime, and
a street murder will be a lead item on *national* TV news; (iii) the
population is almost universally atheistic.
Next time I go for a stroll around Beirut at night, I'll let you know how
it compares.
> Bobby Mozumder
Cheers
Simon
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University of Warwick FAX (+44) 203 525714
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| 0alt.atheism |
In article <1993Apr27.190648.26436@walter.bellcore.com> deaddio@ski.bellcore.com (Michael DeAddio) writes:
>
>Basically, I am looking for something to operate in the
>ranges of accelerations found in an automobile environment.
>I would like the device to operate as a trigger for other
>systems when the car's deceleration reaches a threshold value
>(which is how I assume some seat belt lock mechanisms and air
>bag deployment systems work?).
Open up one of the airbag control boxes. They have inexpensive piezoelectric
accelerometers in them. I know that the GM cars use the Setra units. The
cheapest way to get such an accelerometer is to cannibalize an existing
automotive unit.
Incidentally, these things aren't very linear, but for the application they
would do a fine job.
--scott
| 12sci.electronics |
In article <1993May13.202224.28950@urartu.sdpa.org> dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David
Davidian) wrote:
[DD] Not taking sides leaves one in a state of perpetual indecision because
[DD] both sides in this issue have their own logic at any given time. As an
[DD] Armenian I am partisan -- by definition. However, this does give me the
^
|
obviously a "not" goes here--+ as
evidenced by the context.
[DD] license to lie, cover-up, or revise events under question as we have read
[DD] on UseNet in postings by agents of the Turkish government. I understand
[DD] both sides of the issue, but this does not mean I will advocate both sides
[DD] when it suits me. Such a position would make me a hypocrite. I am also not
[DD] being paid by agents of Turkey nor Azerbaijan as are many proponents of
[DD] the Azeri side. I refer to agents such as Captioline International Group,
[DD] Ltd., being paid in excess of $30,000/month by Azerbaijan. I state my case
[DD] unencumbered by such advocacy or prostitution.
Thanks to Mr. CG.
--
David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | "Armenia has not learned a lesson in
S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | Anatolia and has forgotten the
P.O. Box 382761 | punishment inflicted on it." 4/14/93
Cambridge, MA 02238 | -- Late Turkish President Turgut Ozal
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
I think somebody posted some info about a biobliography program one or
two months ago. I don't rember the detail. What I'd like to have is one
software to organize the literature I'm refereing for scientific
publications. The functions I'd like would be
a. able to do data-base managment
b. able to print with special formats for different journals
Any info would be appreciated.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Yi-Ming Wang Radiation Laboratory, University of Notre Dame
wang.29@nd.edu
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| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
Yes, it is possible to add a second hard drive to a mac IIcx internally. This
is definitely not a recommended procedure by Apple but I have done the equivalent to my CX after upgrading it to a Quadra 700. The power supply is still the
stock CX's and it was able to power two Quantum LPS drives, a PLI SCSI
accelerator, a Micron technologies 24 bit video board, Daystar QuickCache,
New Technologies Overdrive and 20 meg of RAM simultaneously.
I added a new mount for the drive by attaching angle brackets to the drive
tower. The internal SCSI cable was changed to a longer flat ribbon cable onto
which I added an extra connector about midway. The final HD was internally
terminated and the drive between the motherboard and final HD had its terminator resistor packs removed. Cooling has not been a problem and no SCSI problems
occur with either the PLI SCSI chain or motherboard SCSI hooked into the two
internal hard drives.
It works very well for me, but proceed cautiously if you wish to do the same.
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
I need to write an application which does annotation notes
on existing documents. The annotation could be done several
times by different people. The idea is something like having
several acetate transparencies stacked on top of each other
so that the user can see through all of them. I've seen
something like this being done by the oclock client.
Could someone please tell me how to do it in Xt?
Thank you very much.
| 5comp.windows.x |
/ hpcc01:rec.motorcycles / groverc@gold.gvg.tek.com (Grover Cleveland) / 9:07 am Apr 14, 1993 /
Shop for your bike in Sacramento - the Bay area prices are
always much higher than elsewhere in the state.
GC
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Affirmative! Check Sacramento Bee, Fresno Bee, Modesto, Stockton,
Bakersfield and other newspapers for prices of motos in the
classifieds...a large main public library ought to have a
number of out-of-town papers.
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Maddi Hausmann (madhaus@netcom.com) wrote:
: But how do we know that you're representing the REAL Christians?
: ;-)
: Bill, you're an asshole. Get lost.
Maddi,
I see that you still can't grasp the obvious, is it because your are devious
by nature, or can you only find fault with an argument by
misrepresenting it?
I plainly said that I was stating the Christian position as I
understand it, I did not say whether I agree with it since my point
was that the only flaws in that position are those atheists invent.
I have never claimed to be an expert on anything and especially
Christianity, but I have made it an object of pretty intense study
over the years, so I feel qualified to discuss what its general
propositions are.
What offends you is that I have exposed the distortions and
misrepresentations of Christianity you contrive and then rail against,
(which seems more like the classical strawman dodge than what I said)
This leaves you with nothing but to attack but me. As usual, you
avoid the larger issues by picking away at the insignificant stuff, why not
find one particular thing in my post that we can discuss, or can you
even tell me what the issues are?
Bill
| 0alt.atheism |
>In article <1qcaueINNmt8@axon.cs.unc.edu> Andrew Brandt writes:
>|> I looked into getting a/c installed on my 1987 Honda CRX Si.
>|> The unit is $875 plus shipping, installation is like 5 1/2 hours on
>|> top of that. This is a hunk of change.
>|>
>|> Does anyone know *any* place that does aftermarket a/c installation
>|> (not with a Honda a/c unit, but some third party unit).
>|>
>|> I cannot seem to find anyone who can put a third party a/c unit in a
>|> Honda. I am in No Carolina, so I would prefer some place nearby, but
>|> any references would be handy.
>|>
>|> Thx, Andy (brandt@cs.unc.edu)
>
Les Bartel's comments:
>>>Sorry I can't help you with your question, but I do have a comment to
>make concerning aftermarket A/C units. I have a Frost-King or Frost-Temp
>(forget which) aftermarket unit on my Cavalier, and am quite unhappy with
>it. The fan is noisy, and doesn't put out much air. I will never have
>an aftermarket A/C installed in any of my vehicles again. I just can't
>trust the quality and performance after this experience.
>>
> - les
>
>--
>Les Bartel I'm going to live forever
Let me add my .02 in. I had a A/C installed by the Ford garage and it did not
work as well as the A/C that was installed by the factory in pickups
identical to mine. I have talked to other people that have had the same
result. Don't know if this is just a probable with Ford or what??
Ernie Smith
| 7rec.autos |
jagst18+@pitt.edu (Josh A Grossman) writes:
>Somebody was kind enough to post the Prez's compuserve email address.
>I was smart enough to write it down somehwere on some small scap of paper
>I can not find. If you've got it please email it to me.
CompuServe - "75300.3115@CompuServe.com"
America On-Line - "Clintonpz@AOL.com
Both are accessible from the InterNet.
When you send a not to Slick Willie, you will need to have you US Mail
address on the note if you want a response. The White House does not
reply by E-Mail.
| 16talk.politics.guns |
Smith Corona Typewriter for sale,
Model SCM 70 electric.
Great for forms, envelopes, labels, small things, etc. that you just
can't do with your microcomputer.
Built like a tank, but not big nor that heavy. A classic compact
electric, with padded storage bag. No scratches, enamel paint chips
or dents. Cloth ribbon, 2 colours. Will accept best offer near $70.
(Selling for a friend, so these are her instructions not mine.
RSVP to this account, though. Make any other offers anyways,
I'll pass them along. A single sheet-feeder for the Macintosh
Imagewriter II would be acceptable in trade, for example.)
gld
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Gary L. Dare
> gld@columbia.EDU GO Winnipeg Jets GO!!!
> gld@cunixc.BITNET Selanne + Domi ==> Stanley
| 6misc.forsale |
brandon@caldonia.nlm.nih.gov (Brandon Brylawski) writes:
>mryan@stsci.edu writes:
>: Am I justified in being pissed off at this doctor?
>:
>: Last Saturday evening my 6 year old son cut his finger badly with a knife.
>: I took him to a local "Urgent and General Care" clinic at 5:50 pm. The
>: clinic was open till 6:00 pm. The receptionist went to the back and told the
<: ....other good stuff about the Drs idiocy
Ok, much as I hate to do it, here I am posting an EVEN BETTER "Dr. Idiot"
story.
I was in my 18th hour of labor, had been pushing for 4.5 hours and was
exhausted. My OB and I decided to go for a csec. The OB called in
the anesthisiologist (sp?) and asked him to help prep me for surgery.
AFTER, watching me go through a couple contractions, the anes (or anus as
I like to refer to him) said, "Well, I am off duty now." (still staring
between my legs at that). The OB asked to go call whomever it was who
was on duty and ask him/her how long it would take...and if it was going
to take more than a few minutes, to please stay even though he was off duty.
The anes. went out, supposedly to call the on-call anes. In a couple of
minutes the nurse came running in to tell the OB that the anes. had left
without even trying to get ahold of the on-call. It was the only time
during my labor that I swore. The on-call anes. took 20 minutes to get
there.
Come to find out, the anes. had only just gone off duty (about 2 minutes
before) and technically was supposed to stay in the hospital until the
next on-call got there. Good thing for all of us (especially him) that
it was not a critical emergency. But boy would I love to knock that
fellow's ouchie places ...just to let him be in pain a
few little minutes.
I have run into "Dr. Idiots", "Mechanic Idiots", "Clerk Idiots" and "Etc.
Idiots" in my time, but this fellow I would like to have words with.
Deantha
| 13sci.med |
In article <1r3qab$o1v@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de>, frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes:
>In article <930421.102525.9Y9.rusnews.w165w@mantis.co.uk> mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk> writes:
>#frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes:
>#> In article <930420.100544.6n0.rusnews.w165w@mantis.co.uk> mathew
>#> <mathew@mantis.co.uk> writes:
>#> #This is complete nonsense. Relativism means saying that there is no absolut
>#> #standard of morality; it does NOT mean saying that all standards of morality
>#> #are equally good.
>#>
>#> Presumably this means that some moral systems are better than others?
>#> How so? How do you manage this without an objective frame of reference?
>#
Either Frank O'Dwyer or mathew said:
[...stiff deleted...]
>#Which goes faster, a bullet or a snail? How come you can answer that when
>#Einstein proved that there isn't an objective frame of reference?
[...stiff deleted...]
Speed is a quantifiable measure resulting from a set of methods that
will result in the same value measured no matter the reference. A
bullet with zero velocity sitting on a table on a train moving 60mph
will be moving at a speed of
(a) 0mph to someone on the train.
(b) 60mph to someone stationary next to the train.
The reference frame makes the speed relative. But what's interesting
here is that every person on the train will see a stationary bullet.
Every person off, a bullet moving 60mph.
I know of no train where all the people on it, every time it is
filled, will see a moral problem in exactly the same way.
--
jim halat halat@bear.com
bear-stearns --whatever doesn't kill you will only serve to annoy you--
nyc i speak only for myself
| 19talk.religion.misc |
Can you aswer me one question? How did you get to be so retarded?
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|In hallam@dscomsa.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker) writes:
|> The founding fathers of the US were hardly great on religious freedoms. At
|> least one history I have read formed the opinion that they left for the
|> US not to practice religious freedom but to practice religious intolerance.
Maybe I should take Phill out of my kill file, it looks like his rantings
are starting to get amusing.
Phill, once again you are demonstrating your extreme ignorance. The founding
fathers were for the most part born in the area that was to become the US.
They did not leave anywhere to come here.
--
Mob rule isn't any prettier merely because the mob calls itself a government
It ain't charity if you are using someone else's money.
Wilson's theory of relativity: If you go back far enough, we're all related.
Mark.Wilson@AtlantaGA.NCR.com
| 18talk.politics.misc |
Woops. I'm not sure if I screwed up, but this is either forgery or some
sort of mistake (aborted post that didn't abort) on my part.
Bogus article below if seen in another post should be ignored..
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/ iftccu:talk.politics.guns / bressler@iftccu.ca.boeing.com (Rick Bressler) / 3:29 pm Apr 13, 1993 /
/ iftccu:talk.politics.guns / papresco@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod) / 1:49 am Apr 12, 1993 /
In article <92468@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6511a@prism.gatech.EDU (COCHRANE,JAMES SHAPLEIGH) writes:
>
>I certainly hope this is somebody's idea of a joke, as poor as it it...
>My earlier posting mentioning an illegal firearms MANUFACTURING site being
>searched for by the Feds in the Florida area was evidently ignored..
Let's look at this critically:
1.How many guns did this illegal manufacturing site make compared to
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<and so on...>
Sorry.
Rick.
| 16talk.politics.guns |
Paul Fortmann submitted a sermon by Peter Hammond on PRAYING FOR
JUSTICE that spoke of the positive value of the Imprecatory
(Cursing) Psalms.
In this connection, I recommend to the membership the book
REFLECTIONS ON THE PSALMS, by C S Lewis, with special reference to
the chapter on "Cursing in the Psalms."
Yours,
James Kiefer
| 15soc.religion.christian |
From article <1993Apr20.210651.5687@gn.ecn.purdue.edu>, by mechalas@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (John P. Mechalas):
>>Although I'm an atheist, the events in Waco have really sickened me. It's
>>truely a sad day for religious freedom in this country. The Branch
>>Dividians may have been nutty (my general opinion of all religious people),
>>but tax evasion and illegal possesion of firearms are certainly not grounds
>>for destroying a people.
>
> Excuse me? WHO destroyed the BD's? Last I knew, they burned themselves...
> Prove to me that the FBI, ATF, or the Government in general either burned
> the compound themselves, or that the BD's had no choice but to commit
> mass suicide rather than coming out peacefully (a promise that was made
> twice by Koresh himself, which he broke both times).
At this point in time we don't who destroyed the BDs. Maybe it was the
government; maybe it was Koresh. I wouldn't immediately rule out the
government just because the FBI said that a couple of cult members
torched Koresh's wood-frame house. I think that the credibility of the
FBI and the cigarette cops is questionable at best; at worst they are
bald-faced liers. I read in a newspaper today that one of the BDs that
survived the fire said that one of the tanks that crashed through their
wood-frame house knocked over a lantern which later on caused the
compound to errupt in flames. Also, I have heard that one of the cult
members who earlier said that he and another individual started the fire
is no longer claiming that he did it. Moreover, he and possibly the
other person may not have even really said that they did it in the
first place---we only have the FBI's WORD ON THIS. I'll believe it when
I hear from a cult member's own mouth and not before then.
The FBI claims that they saw two cult members starting the fire. They
claimed that the two were clad in black clothing and were wearing gas
masks. Hmmm... Sounds like they might have been describing an ATF
agent to me. Weren't the cigarette cops wearing black? Note: this
is just speculation on my part. Still, it is something to think about.
Here's something else to ponder upon: the two agents that were planted
in the compound might have done something to start that fire. I don't
know if they did it deliberately or not---if they did at all---but I
would like to see statements from these two agents on the events that
transpired during that day. I think that they would be rather
enlightening don't you think? They were inside the compound so they
ought to have a real good idea of what went on in there. Of course if
they did help burn down the house then I doubt that they would be
very forthcoming with any information.
The FBI also mentioned that fire errupted in multiple locations in the
compound. They *may* have said this so that people might be more
likely to be convinced that the BDs started the fire. However,
consider that if the FBI did light-up that house would they admit to
it? I think not. Imagine the public outrage that would ensue if
people discovered that the FBI killed 86 people. Obviously, the FBI
would do its best to suppress the truth and make people think the BDs
started the fire. Fire can spread in unusual ways in a wood house---
fires burning in more than one location in a house isn't inconsistent
with a house fire. The tear gas cannisters---which do produce heat
despite what you may have been told by the media---may have contributed
to starting the blaze. Also, it was very windy on the day of the
fire. Flames and burning debri might have floated over to parts of
the house that weren't already on fire. Like I said the verdict isn't
in yet. The FBI may very well be guilty of a holocaust.
> --
> John Mechalas "I'm not an actor, but
> mechalas@gn.ecn.purdue.edu I play one on TV."
> Aero Engineering, Purdue University #include disclaimer.h
Scott Kennedy, Brewer and Patriot
Before: "David Koresh is a cheap thug who interprets
the Bible through the barrel of a gun..." --ATF spokesman
After: "[The ATF] is a cheap thug who interprets
[the Constitution] through the barrel of a gun..." --Me
| 18talk.politics.misc |
>One of the reasons I originally liked my current guythingy so much was
>becase he had a BMW. :)
Sigh. That's music to my ears, after all the complaining Lois did
about the seat on my BMW...
>The best passengers are those which are unobtrusive. Echo the movements
>and lean of your rider. Look over the shoulder thats most comfortable,
>but during turns look over the shoulder on the inside of the turn.
I've found that the phrase "sack of potatoes" works pretty well in
describing to a passenger how s/he should act.
>Switch your hands to the guardrail to stretch your shoulders, but be
>sure and squeeze your thighs while you're doing it so your rider knows you're
>still there. :) The guard rail isn't as safe as holding onto your rider.
On a long ride with my ex-girlfriend Nancy, I would notice her
drifting off every so often (we were droning down highway 101 to LA).
I probably wouldn't have been aware of this if she hadn't been in the
habit of squeezing my butt with her knees to hold on. Good advice.
_MelloN_
--
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Member of the League for Programming Freedom. To find out how software
patents may cost you your right to program, contact lpf@uunet.uu.net
| 8rec.motorcycles |
In article <47974@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> wsun@jeeves.ucsd.edu (Fiberman) writes:
>Is erythromycin effective in treating pneumonia?
It depends on the cause of the pneumonia. For treating bacterial
pneumonia in young otherwise-healthy non-smokers, erythromycin
is usually considered the antibiotic of choice, since it covers
the two most-common pathogens: strep pneumoniae and mycoplasma
pneumoniae.
--
David Rind
rind@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu
| 13sci.med |
In article <C5ztEt.Dwz.1@cs.cmu.edu> anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed) writes:
>In article <C5u4qI.Mz4@apollo.hp.com> nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:
>>
>> BTW, with Bosnia's large Moslem population, why have nations like
>> Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Egypt, and others with either money
>> or strong military forces not spoken out more forcibly or offered
>> to help out Bosnia?
>
>Obviously, you really don't know.
>
>They *have* spoken out (cf Sec'y of State Christopher's recent trip to the ME),
Note the clause "more forcibly", above. My point is that they have
made a few pro-forma, perfunctory remarks, and sent in a few C-130's and
so forth, but it's clearly not something they're losing much sleep over.
They're just going through the motions, while Moslems are being "ethnically
cleansed" out of what used to be Yugoslavia. The US has been speaking
out far more loudly than the Moslem nations in the UN and other world
forums.
>> Besides, there's no case that can be made for US military involvement
>> there that doesn't apply equally well to, say, Liberia, Angola, or
>> (it appears with the Khmer Rouge's new campaign) Cambodia. Non-whites
>> don't count?
>
>Hmm...some might say Kuwaitis are non-white. Ooops, I forgot, Kuwaitis are
>"oil rich", "loaded with petro-dollars", etc so they don't count.
Precisely. Humanitarian concerns were not the primary justification
for US involvement in the Gulf - oil and geopolitics were. If the
the Kuwaitis didn't have oil (and assuming Iraq still saw fit to
invade them) I doubt you would have seen Operation Desert Storm.
---peter
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
In article <lv6sh3INNr0e@dimebox.cs.utexas.edu>
spatel@cs.utexas.edu (Semir Patel) writes:
|> OK, I am looking for a decent X based text editor for the the following
|> reasons:
|> o I hate emacs
|> o I hate vi
|> o I hate Xedit
|>
|> Coming from a PC based environment having been brought up on
|> Borland's excellent Turbo C/Pascal environments, something with the
|> following properties would fit the bill
|>
|> o Pull down menus
|> o Accelerator Keys
|> o Multiple windows
|> o Mouse Aware
|> o Regular Exp support
|> o Mappable Key Bindings
|> o Easy to use
|> o and most important of all....FREE
|>
|> Does such a beast exist?
Sure sounds like aXe to me.
--
Michael Salmon
#include <standard.disclaimer>
#include <witty.saying>
#include <fancy.pseudo.graphics>
Ericsson Telecom AB
Stockholm
| 5comp.windows.x |
In article <visser.735260518@convex.convex.com> visser@convex.com (Lance Visser) writes:
>In <bskendigC5qyJ2.GEw@netcom.com> bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) writes:
>
>+>b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (Stephen Tice) writes:
>+>>
>+>>One way or another -- so much for patience. Too bad you couldn't just
>+>>wait. Was the prospect of God's Message just too much to take?
>
>+>So you believe that David Koresh really is Jesus Christ?
>
> They cut off the water, there were no fire trucks present and
>the FBI/ATF go blasting holes into the builing and firing gas munitions.
>The building burns, almost everyone dies. It probably doesn't bother
>you much, but it bothers many other people.....most of whom dont believe
>particularly in Koresh or his message.
>
> Four ATF agents and 90 branch Davidians are now dead because of
>crazy tactics on the part of the ATF and FBI.
>
> Attorney General Vampira tells us that todays events were suppose
>to "save" those in the compound. Blowing holes in a building and
>gassing those inside was supposed to "save" them?
Give me a break! What fireman should have to deal with a blaze like that
AND get shot at at the same time.
These people were breaking the law. I agree these weren't the best tactics,
they probably should have backed off, pulled the perimeter way back, and let
them sit there with no media attention until they decided to come out. The
only other alternative I see would have been to send in a couple of special
forces guys to capture or assassinate Koresh. But remember, these fruit-
loops were putting their lives on the lines voluntarily. Why should
law-abiding citizens have to put themselves in any more danger than necessary
when dealing with a nut? Look at the man who jumped out of his Bradley to
grab a flaming women who was running back into the building. Yeah, I would
have to say they were trying to save those people. I don't think I would
risk my life that much to save someone that stupid that obviously didn't
even want to be saved.
-Tim
| 19talk.religion.misc |
russotto@eng.umd.edu (Matthew T. Russotto) writes:
> The idea that kerosene lamps would be all over the place (with
> electricity cut off) makes sense. The idea that ramming tanks into the
> building would spill them and cause a fire makes sense.
As does the idea that a CS gas canister can get hot enough to ignite dry
baled hay.
--
Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)
| 18talk.politics.misc |
dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>In article <21APR199308571323@ucsvax.sdsu.edu> mccurdy@ucsvax.sdsu.edu (McCurdy M.) writes:
>>Dyer is beyond rude.
I'll drink to that.
>Yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't threaten to rip your lips off, did I?
>Snort.
>>There have been and always will be people who are blinded by their own
>>knowledge and unopen to anything that isn't already established. Given what
>>the medical community doesn't know, I'm surprised that he has this outlook.
>Duh.
Nice to see Steve still has his high and almighty intellectual prowess
in tact.
>>For the record, I have had several outbreaks of thrush during the several
>>past few years, with no indication of immunosuppression or nutritional
>>deficiencies. I had not taken any antobiotics.
>Listen: thrush is a recognized clinical syndrome with definite
>characteristics. If you have thrush, you have thrush, because you can
>see the lesions and do a culture and when you treat it, it generally
>responds well, if you're not otherwise immunocompromised. Noring's
>anal-retentive idee fixe on having a fungal infection in his sinuses
>is not even in the same category here, nor are these walking neurasthenics
>who are convinced they have "candida" from reading a quack book.
Yawn...
>>My dentist (who sees a fair amount of thrush) recommended acidophilous:
>>After I began taking acidophilous on a daily basis, the outbreaks ceased.
>>When I quit taking the acidophilous, the outbreaks periodically resumed.
>>I resumed taking the acidophilous with no further outbreaks since then.
>So?
Exactly my question to you, Steve. What's your point? This person had
one, you didn't
>--
>Steve Dyer
Nice to see that some things never change, Steve, if you aren't being
ignorant in one group [*.alternative] you're into another. One positive
thing came out of it, you are no longer bothering the folks in
*.alternative, it's just a shame that these people have to suffer so
that others may breath freely.
Sorry for wasting bandwidth folks. Don't forget to bow down once
every second day, and to offer your first born to the almight
omniscient, omnipotent, Mr. Steve.
| 13sci.med |
jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com writes:
> The problem with most peace-niks it they consider those of us who are
> not like them to be "bad" and "unconscionable". I would not have any
> argument or problem with a peace-nik if they held to their ideals and
> stayed out of all conflicts or issues, especially those dealing with
> the national defense. But no, they are not willing to allow us to
> legitimately hold a different point-of-view. They militate and
> many times resort to violence all in the name of peace.
<Yawn> Another right-wing WASP imagining he's an oppressed minority.
Perhaps Camille Paglia is right after all.
"I would not have any argument or problem with a peace-nik if they [...]
stayed out of all conflicts or issues"? I bet you wouldn't. You'd love it.
But what makes you think that sitting back, saying nothing about defense
issues, and letting people like you make all the decisions is anything to do
with "their ideals"?
mathew
| 0alt.atheism |
> Does anybody know if stacker has a e-mail address and if
> so, what it is? I know they have a BBS and something on
> compuserve, but I'm hoping someone know's their e-mail
> address.
John White from STAC Electronics can be reached at compuserv as 72370,1005.
For me 72370.1005@compuserve.com would as email address work from Internet.
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A delightful message, interesting, and so kindly written. Thanks.
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| 17talk.politics.mideast |
In a prior article, lmvec@westminster.ac.uk (William Hargreaves) writes:
>
> Now I am of the opinion that you a saved through faith alone (not what you do)
> as taught in Romans, but how can I square up in my mind the teachings of James
> in conjunction with the lukewarm Christian being 'spat-out'
If you agree that good works have a role somewhere, you will
generally find yourself in one of two camps:
(1) Faith + Works --> Salvation
or (2) Faith --> Salvation + Works
Either (1) works are required for salvation, or (2) faith will
inevitably result in good works.
I am also of the opinion that salvation is by faith alone, based on
Ephesians 2 and Romans 3:21-31. I also conclude that James 2, when
read in context, is teaching bullet (2) above. When James speaks of
justification, I would claim that he is not speaking of God declaring
the believing sinner innocent in His sight (Paul's use of the word).
Instead he is speaking of the sinner's profession of faith being
"justified" or "proven" by the display of good works. Also according
to James 2, the abscence of such works is evidence for a "dead" or
"useless" faith which fails to save.
James 2 is not a problem for the doctrine of salvation by faith if it
is teaching (2). Works would have their place, not as merit toward
salvation, but as evidence of true faith.
Regards,
---
Dave Weaver | "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to
weaver@chdasic.sps.mot.com| gain what he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot (1949)
[There are of course a number of other possibilities. The Reformers
believed
salvation --> faith --> works
Some of us suspect that the three things are tied up together in such a way
that no diagram of this form can do it justice.
--clh]
| 15soc.religion.christian |
In article <16BB1B92B.DAK988S@vma.smsu.edu.Ext> DAK988S@vma.smsu.edu writes:
>You think that you all have it bad....here at good ol' Southwest Missouri
>State U., we have 2 parties running for student body president. There's the
>token sorority/fraternity faces, and then there's the president and vice
>president of NORML. They campaigned by handing out condoms and listing
>their qualifications as,"I listen really well." It makes me sick to have
>a party established on many of the things that are ruining this country like
>they are. I think I'll run next year.:(
Well, a student body president can't exactly campaign on the stand
that he's "tough on crime". Their job is to listen to what people want
and fund things that make sense.
Condoms and marijuana aren't exactly the worst things to have available
either...
don
| 18talk.politics.misc |
mdw33310@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael D. Walker) writes:
> Often times (most recently on this list in the last few days) I've
>heard the passage from revelation:
> "...whoever adds to the sacred words of this book...whoever removes
> words from this book..."
> I feel this is ridiculous for two reasons:
[ 2 good reasons deleted. AI]
> If one takes the translation of "this book" in REV 18:22 (or somewhere
> around there) to mean "all of scripture", then all of us are likely
> holding something that is in violation of this command.
It's even worse than that --
"Ye shall not add unto the word which I
command you, neither shall ye diminish
from it" (Deut. 4:2).
Shall we rip out every page from our
Bibles beginning from Joshua through
Revelation?
A IDLER
| 15soc.religion.christian |
In article <6130331@hplsla.hp.com>, kens@hplsla.hp.com (Ken Snyder) writes:
|>
|> > Any other bikes sold long distances out there...I'd love to hear about
|> it!
|>
|> I bought my VFR750 from a guy in San Jose via the net. That's 825 miles
|> according to my odometer!
|>
mark andy (living in pittsburgh) bought his RZ350 from a dude in
massachusetts (or was it connecticut?).
axel
| 8rec.motorcycles |
In a previous article, bmoss@grinch.sim.es.com (Brent "Woody" Moss) says:
>
>I was worried about someone stealing my oil once also. I finally
>decided to just have my drain plug welded shut. It works great !
>I figure that when I add three or four quarts when the oil light
>comes on every month or so that it's just as good or better than
>the old wives tale of changing the oil AND filter every 3000 miles.
>Works for me, I must say.
>
I did the same thing to my drain plug for the same reasons. I was wondering
how you filled your crankcase though as I welded my hood shut also out of fear
that somebody might steal my air-filter.
--
DoD #650<----------------------------------------------------------->DarkMan
The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of
thinking we were at when we created them. - Albert Einstein
___________________The Eternal Champion_________________
| 7rec.autos |
Amanda Walker (amanda@intercon.com) wrote:
: uni@acs.bu.edu (Shaen Bernhardt) writes:
: [deletions]
:
: > How can you reconcile the administrations self proclaimed purpose of
: > providing law enforcement with access to encrypted data without making
: > the clipper system the only crypto available in the U.S... ?
:
: The Second and Fourth Amendments do come to mind.
:
I think i heard someplace (misc.legal?, comp.org.eff.talk?) that the courts
have pretty much eliminated the fourth amendment already.
--
allen@well.sf.ca.us Words got me the wound
ethridge@bnr.ca and will get me well,
my opinions are my own if you believe it.
-- Jim Morrison
| 11sci.crypt |
> Not clear to me at all. I'd certainly rather have a team who was winning
> 4-1 games than 2-1 games. In the 2-1 game, luck is going to play a much
> bigger role than in the 4-1 game.
But you still need the pitching staff to hold the opposing team to
one run.
Sam
>
> Sherri Nichols
> snichols@adobe.com
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
Hi, I just test installed kanjitalk 6.07 on my IIci
and got a black screen, a way sick looking mac icon, and when hitting the
programmers reset, a tone sequence that I guess is the infamous "tones of
death."
I was able to reboot off a floppy, removed the japanese system, and
set up the system folder on the hard drive to get system 7.01 back.
Now have no overt problems with the mac.
Any idea what caused the tones? I forget the numbers but 7fff comes to mind.
If it is some self diagnostic, why would an older system version catch it,
and not 7. ?
(I'll be moving up to 7.1 and worldscript by-and-by)
Thanks in advance,
Hiroki
--
Hiroki Morizono
Department of Biochemistry 612.624.4938
University of Minnesota 612.625.5780 (fax)
1479 Gortner Avenue hiroki@limerick.cbs.umn.edu
St Paul MN 55108
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
Here are two quotes from the White House.
``The Administration is not saying, "since encryption threatens the
public safety and effective law enforcement, we will prohibit it
outright" (as some countries have effectively done); nor is the U.S.
saying that "every American, as a matter of right, is entitled to an
unbreakable commercial encryption product."''
``In making this decision, I do not intend to prevent the private
sector from developing, or the government from approving, other
microcircuits or algorithms that are equally effective in assuring
both privacy and a secure key-escrow system.''
These quotes bother me in three ways. (1) Many people will read and
remember that ``encryption threatens the public safety and effective
law enforcement.'' (2) The Administration is explicitly failing to
acknowledge that every American is entitled to use strong encryption
to ensure his own privacy. (3) The President, by implication, may
intend to outlaw any cryptographic devices which ensure privacy but
do not have a key-escrow system.
I want to see an organization which will combat such statements.
Encryption does _not_ threaten the public safety, any more than ski
masks do. Every American _is_ entitled to use strong encryption which
ensures his own privacy and is _not_ crippled by a key-escrow system.
I guess I'm looking for a ``League for Cryptographic Freedom.'' Or a
``National Cryptography Association.''
To what extent does the EFF serve this purpose? Is a new organization
necessary? Does it already exist?
---Dan
| 11sci.crypt |
In article <05APR93.13661642.0023@lafibm.lafayette.edu>, VB30@lafibm.lafayette.edu (VB30) writes:
|> Does anyone know where I can get a list of nationally televised
|> games, such as ESPN and TBS? I live on the East coast and I'd
|> like to catch as many Giants games as I possibly can!
This list is published every week in Baseball Weekly.
--
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"That was not swimming. That was bathing."
- A German reporter, after watching 1972 Olympic superstar swimmer
Mark Spitz get badly beaten during a 1991 comeback race
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
I am so tired about all this debate on how many gays there
are! Such arguments are basically worthless, imho. Would it
really matter if it were millions of people who are regularly
denied access to housing, employment, and personal security or
even only one?
As for death threats, I happen to know from personal
experience that gay people are far more likely to receive
them based on political veiws or even personal philosophies
related to the issue of sexual orientation than are heterosex
uals. Not a week goes by that I personally or one of my friends
is not physically or verbally harrassed for even appearing to
be gay.
Everyone is garaunteed certain unalienable rights under
our current form of government in theory, yet every day
gay people are victimized by their local governments, by
the police force, and by (for the most part) an uninformed
and ignorant public. Is this democracy? I don't think so.
A society's sense of justice is judged on the basis of
the treatment of the people who make up that society.
All of those people. And yes, that includes gays, lesbians,
and bisexuals whose "crimes" have no victims, and who
are as varied and diverse as the society of wich they are
a part.
--
Frank Jordan [D[D[D[C[C[C
Gay Arab Bassoonists UNITE!!!
| 18talk.politics.misc |
marion@humboldt.kent.edu (Lou Marion) writes:
>Can someone point me in the direction of this file. Thanks.
>Lou Marion
>Dept. of Geography
>Kent State University
>marion@humboldt.kent.edu
Sure! -------->
OH! Sorry. This is not rec.humor!
Try cica in pub/pc/win3. Get INDEX to see where it is.
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| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
In article <1993Apr5.173853.14752@umiami.ir.miami.edu> ,
f2ehg786@umiami.ir.miami.edu writes:
> It seems to me that reconditioned hardware should be sold as
reconditioned at a
> discounted price, and that replacements for new hardware gone bad
(still
> covered under a 90-day warranty) should be new.
>
Well, sounds like we need some kind of a Lemon Law on the hardware
industry. After all it does sound unfair to me for someone that has
paid the price of a new drive for a reconditioned one. What do you
guys think?
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
ajjb@adam4.bnsc.rl.ac.uk (Andrew Broderick) writes:
>In article <1993Apr15.051746.29848@news.duc.auburn.edu> snydefj@eng.auburn.edu writes:
>>
>>I am looking for any information concerning projects involving Solar
>> Sails
>I was at an interesting seminar at work (UK's R.A.L. Space Science
>Dept.) on this subject, specifically on a small-scale Solar Sail
>proposed as a student space project. The guy giving the talk was keen to
>generate interest in the project. I'll typein the handout he gave out at
>the meeting. Here goes :
[Stuff deleted]
>However it is more difficult to design a practical solar sail than most
>people realize. The pressure of sunlight is only about one kilogram per
>square kilometer. ^^^^ ^^^^
I'm glad to see that someone is working on this. However, it would be nice if
he got his units right.
--
Josh Hopkins jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
"Find a way or make one."
-attributed to Hannibal
| 14sci.space |
In <1993Apr26.143902.24502@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>So what's stopping Pocklington from going to a bank and borrowing $41
>million dollars to pay off his Treasury Branch loans...I was reading
According to the recent TSN report Peter Puck is not paying any interest
on the Treasury Branch loans. That's a lot of green.
>somewhere than Pocklington business have gross revenues of about
>$500 million per year...I don't think he would have much problem
>"borrowing from his VISA to pay off his Mastercard" if he wanted to.
Again, according to TSN, virtually everything that Peter Puck has already
has liens against it. Of course we can't really be sure of this.
>Pocklington is at the point of maximum advantage right now...and
>he is basically right in that Northlands (which is a creature of the
>City of Edmonton) must give him a better deal in the era of escalating
>salaries. Northlands and the city benefitted as much as he did during
>the eighties from the Oilers...and wealth generated by the Oilers
>success was shared...but the finanical viability of small market teams
>has radically changed in the space of a couple of years, and for
>the Oilers to remain viable and competitive, they need much more of
>the revenue stream from concessions, parking, and building advertising
>as most every other professional sports franchise in North America
>has. What was once a fair agreement that shared the wealth is now
>Northlands sucking the blood out of the Oilers franchise.
The Oiler rationale regarding the renegotiation of player contracts is
that a deal is a deal. Sather has spouted this repeatedly. Pocklinton
has a contract with Northlands until 1999. A deal is a deal. Perhaps
if he included the income he has received from his sale of assets (players
such as Gretzky) and the income he has received in expansion fees with
his revenues he wouldn't be losing money. He has admitted pulling this
money out of the Oiler franchise to put into his other businesses.
>The Oilers have paid several times over what the Coliseum cost to
>build, and bring Edmonton prestige and recognition throughout the
>world that is essentially priceless...to nickel-and-dime the Oilers
>just so Northlands can use revenue sucked out of the Oilers to
>subsidize their horse-racing operations is insanity.
I think that Pocklington has received ample provincial subsidization.
I can't really blame him for going after municipal subsidization but
he is certainly not entitled to it. Pocklington has "sucked" revenue
out of the Oilers in order to prop up his failing business interests.
Pocklington is not to be trusted. I doubt very much that any Oiler
team will ever again make the playoffs under Pocklington's stewardship.
As soon as a player shows himself to be a competent NHL'er and expects
to be paid accordingly he is shipped off for younger players and or
draft picks.
--
cordially, as always, maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca
"So many morons...
rm ...and so little time."
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
The European Space Agency has involvement with remote earth
observation, and I presume this includes surveillance (optical etc.).
So it's not just the US/USSR(ex) who are in the game.
But what *is* the game? What can be done with space observation?
The military functions of missile spotting, troop spotting etc. are well
documented, but what about anything else?
The biggest eg I can think of is to get a metal sensing sat over a
paying country and scan their territory for precious metals.
More importantly, if radar can spot water vapour (clouds), presumably
a radar based sat will be capable of spotting rivers,open water and
*underground water* from space. This would be a positive life saver
for African or other drought affected countries. Implementing a
clean water and irrigation program would be of imense benifit to such
countries and should cut down mortalities considerably.
So how about it? Is there a charity or government agency that would
pay for a third world country to have their minerals and water deposits
mapped?
Or is this still sci-fi?
Mail replies would be great.
Thought for the day: Thermal energy needs water to make steam so sstick
it in the ocean!
--
****************************************************************************
Marvin Batty - djf@uk.ac.cov.cck
"And they shall not find those things, with a sort of rafia like base,
that their fathers put there just the night before. At about 8 O'clock!"
| 14sci.space |
arc@cco.caltech.edu (Aaron Ray Clements) writes:
>Yes, I am pro-gun, and yes, I do disagree with this statement.
>Nuclear weapons in and of themselves are dangerous. Radioactive
>decay of plutonium and uranium, as well as the tritium in the
>weapon, tends to be somewhat dangerous to living things.
>(Can you say "neutron flux"?)
Can you say, "I get more background radiation from living in
Denver or having an office in a limestone building than I do standing
next to a power reactor at full power or standing next to a nuclear
warhead that is armed?" Look up "shielding" in your dictionary. You
don't need six feet of lead to make decent shielding; your dead skin
cell layer does an excellent job on alpha particles, and neutrons
are slowed by mere *water*. What do you think 75% of you is?
> Plus these things have no self-
>defense purposes. It's kinda hard to justify their use as
>a militia weapon when at best they are meant for battlefield use
>(low-yield weapons) or at worst for industrial target obliteration
>(translation: cities and population centers).
If the militia has as its job the overthrow of an illegal
government, they are indeed useful weapons to the militia. They
won't be too useful in certain areas, but leveling the Pentagon
would be a "good thing" for said overthrow and it's likely one man
carrying a backpack would stand a better chance than one thousand
armed with Colt Peacemakers. Don't let self-defense become the
only reason you can have a gun and your sole means of justification.
Myself, I won't overthrow my government until it ceases to be my
legal government, but if I need to I want every weapon I can get.
One can just as easily say no rifle larger than a .22 is
needed to kill a human being. They are right. When that human
being is wearing armor and riding in an APC, things get a bit
different. I don't see where the weapon is a problem. It's not.
Only the manner of use is in contention here.
> Not to mention that
>for it to be used as a militia weapon and expect the user to live
>requires some sort of launch vehicle . . .
I guess you either don't have an alarm clock or have never
heard the terms "timer" or "martyr" either. Don't forget remote
detonation devices. That CB radio in the pickup next to you can
easily transmit ten miles in decent weather. That's out of the
blast radius of many portable nuclear devices.
Just what is it about radioactive decay that has you worried?
< Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu >
< ISU only censors what I read, not what I say. Don't blame them. >
< USENET: Post to exotic, distant machines. Meet exciting, >
< unusual people. And flame them. >
| 16talk.politics.guns |
In <C5JJrJ.EM3@cs.uiuc.edu> steph@cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson) writes:
>Compiled from the last five Defensive Average reports, here are the career
>DAs for the individual players in the reports. Stats are courtesy of
>Sherri Nichols. Players are listed in descending order.
And some comments, with some players deleted.
>Third Basemen
>-------------
>Name 1988 1989 1990 1991 1992 88-92
>Mitchell, Kevin .690 ---- ---- ---- ---- 0.690
Yep, that Kevin Mitchell. I never would have expected him in the
#1 spot.
>Gonzales, Rene .685 ---- ---- ---- ---- 0.685
It's no accident that the first two names are 1988 only. As with first
and second base, 1988 was the year of the glove. Average DA was 20 points
higher in both leagues than any other year.
>Leius, Scott ---- ---- ---- .653 .680 0.672
Looks good. Too bad he's moving to short.
>Pendleton, Terry .692 .685 .631 .689 .634 0.667
Highest five-year regular, though he's only had one year as good as Kevin
Mitchell :->.
>Ventura, Robin ---- ---- .641 .647 .677 0.657
>Wallach, Tim .728 .674 .600 .630 .665 0.657
>Gruber, Kelly .717 .657 .580 .630 .664 0.650
The other elite fielders in the league.
>Pagliarulo, Mike .631 ---- .575 .744 ---- 0.649
This is an interesting line. His 1988 figure was slightly below average.
His 1990 was pathetic, and his 1991 was the next best year by anybody. Part of
that may be his mobility. 1988 was with the Yankees. 1990 was with the
Padres, who appear to have a rotten infield. 1991 was with the Twins, and
judging by Leius and Gaetti, the Metrodome may be a good place to play
third.
>Williams, Matt ---- ---- .633 .653 .656 0.647
Add another to the elite fielders list.
>Caminiti, Ken ---- .675 .630 .653 .596 0.642
>Sabo, Chris .751 .626 .616 .613 .575 0.642
Too fielders whose career average may overstate their value. I don't know
what happened to Caminiti -- judging by the three previous years, his low
1992 may be a fluke. Sabo is merely average, however. His incredible 1988
(best year ever) brings his average up a lot.
>Buechele, Steve .647 .616 .647 .681 .599 0.635
Strange last two years.
>Schmidt, Mike .628 ---- ---- ---- ---- 0.628
According to reputation, one of the best fielders ever at third base.
But at the end, he was below average. (Average in 1988 was .643).
>Boggs, Wade .643 .659 .550 .653 .634 0.626
Boggs has been pretty good. I don't know what happened in 1990, but every
other year he has been above average, usually by quite a bit.
>Martinez, Egdar ---- ---- .621 .645 .599 0.624
Last year -- a fluke or a portent?
>*NL Average* .643 .625 .602 .623 .603 0.619
>Seitzer, Kevin .654 .583 .593 ---- .635 0.616
>*AL Average* .641 .612 .604 .620 .602 0.615
Why is it that the two leagues usually have defensive averages very close
to one another, but very different from year to year? Any ideas?
>Jacoby, Brook .624 .621 .600 ---- .597 0.613
Brook is declining.
>Hansen, Dave ---- ---- ---- ---- .611 0.611
>Magadan, Dave ---- ---- ---- ---- .609 0.609
>Jefferies, Greg ---- ---- ---- ---- .606 0.606
Three first-time regulars, above average in 1992. I'm not sure why Jefferies
gets all the grief about his fielding. He's never had a good year, but while
at second he improved to become an average fielder, and is an average fielder
at third.
>Zeile, Todd ---- ---- ---- .614 .593 0.605
Zeile, on the other hand, is a below average fielder. Each year he's about
10 points below average. And it's probably not just the park, since Terry
Pendleton had excellent DAs in the three years before this.
>Baerga, Carlos ---- ---- ---- .604 ---- 0.604
Moving back to second was a good idea.
>Hayes, Chris ---- .601 .622 .606 .574 0.602
So why is Hayes supposed to be good defensively? He's had a grand total
of one year above the league DA, and was pretty bad last year.
>Johnson, Howard .628 .549 .611 .573 ---- 0.588
>Lansford, Carney .620 .578 .594 ---- .550 0.587
Howard Johnson and Carney Lansford -- separated at birth. To his credit,
HoJo did have one above average year (1990). Lansford couldn't even break
the .600 mark without the help of the year of the glove.
>Hollins, Dave ---- ---- ---- ---- .577 0.577
Good hitter, but his fielding needs work.
>Sheffield, Gary ---- ---- .584 ---- .567 0.575
Not a good fielder.
>Blauser, Jeff ---- .573 ---- ---- ---- 0.573
>Fryman, Travis ---- ---- ---- .571 ---- 0.571
Both are better off at shortstop.
>Gomez, Lee ---- ---- ---- .551 .542 0.546
Two consecutive horrible years for Leo. Camden Yards doesn't seem to
have helped his fielding any.
>Palmer, Dean ---- ---- ---- ---- .520 0.520
Texas slugger debuts with not only the lowest career DA, but the lowest
DA at third ever. Congratulations, Dean.
--
Dale J. Stephenson |*| (steph@cs.uiuc.edu) |*| Grad Student At Large
"It is considered good to look wise, especially when not
overburdened with information" -- J. Golden Kimball
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"(7.5) -- respect the right of citizens to seek political or public
office, individually or as representatives of political parties or
organizations, without discrimination."
RELEVANT SECTIONS OF THE
INTERNATIONAL COVENANT OF 5 OCTOBER 1977
REFERENCED ABOVE
The States Parties to the present Covenant. . . Recognizing
that. . . the ideal of free human beings enjoying civil and
political freedom and freedom from fear and want can only
be achieved if conditions are created whereby everyone may
enjoy his civil and political rights, as well as his economic,
social, and cultural rights, Considering the obligation of
States under the Charter of the United Nations to promote
universal respect for, and observance of, human rights and
freedoms. . . Agree upon the following articles. . .
Article 2. (1) Each State Party to the present Covenant
undertakes to respect and to ensure to all individuals within
its territory and subject to its jurisdiction the rights
recognized in the present Covenant, without distinction of
any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion,
political or other opinion, national or social origin, property,
birth, or other status.
(2) Where not already provided for by existing legislative or
other measures, each State Party to the present Covenant
undertakes to take the necessary steps, in accordance with its
constitutional processes and with the provisions of the
present Covenant, to adopt such legislative or other measures
as may be necessary to give effect to the rights recognized in
the present Covenant. . .
Article 3. The States Parties to the present Covenant
undertake to ensure the equal right of men and women to
the enjoyment of all civil and political rights set forth in the
present Covenant. . .
Article 25. Every citizen shall have the right and the
opportunity, without any of the distinctions mentioned in
article 2 and without unreasonable restrictions: (a) to take
part in the conduct of public affairs, directly or through
freely chosen representatives; (b) to vote and to be elected at
genuine periodic elections which shall be by universal and
equal suffrage and shall be held by secret ballot,
guaranteeing the free expression of the will of the electors; (c)
to have access, on general terms of equality, to public service
in his country.
Article 26. All persons are equal before the law and are
entitled without any discrimination to the equal protection of
the law. In this respect, the law shall prohibit any
discrimination and guarantee to all persons equal and
effective protection against discrimination on any ground
such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other
opinion, national or social origin, property, birth, or other
status.
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There will be no peace without freedom.
Think Globally -- Act Locally.
Resist Much. Obey Little.
Question Authority.
Comments from Bob Waldrop are the responsibility of Bob
Waldrop! For a good time call 415-457-6388.
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Disclaimer: I speak for myself, except as noted; Copyright 1993 Rich Thomson
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| 17talk.politics.mideast |
In article <1993Apr18.041741.6051@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> kayman@csd-d-3.Stanford.EDU (Robert Kayman) writes:
>
>Hello fellow 'netters.
>
>I am asking for your collected wisdom to help me decide which printer I
>should purchase, the Canon BJ200 (BubbleJet) vs. the HP DeskJet 500. I
>thought, rather than trust the salesperson, I would benefit more from
>relying on those who use these printers daily and use them to their fullest
>potential. And, I figure all of you will know their benefits and pitfalls
>better than any salesperson.
>
>Now, I would greatly appreciate any information you could render on the 360
>dpi of the Canon BubbleJet vs. the Hewlett-Packard DeskJet 500 (300 dpi).
>Which is faster? Is there a noticeable print quality difference,
>particularly in graphics? Which will handle large documents better (75
>pages or more) -- any personal experience on either will be appreciated
>here? Which works better under Windows 3.1 (any driver problems, etc)?
>Cost of memory, font packages, toner cartridges, etc? Basically, your
>personal experiences with either of these machines is highly desirable,
>both good and bad.
>
>Advance kudos and thanks for all your input. E-mail or news posting is
>readily acceptable, but e-mail is encouraged (limits bandwidth).
>
>--
>Sincerely,
>
>Robert Kayman ---- kayman@cs.stanford.edu -or- cpa@cs.stanford.edu
>
>"In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not."
>"You mean you want the revised revision of the original revised revision
> revised?!?!"
Sorry for the followup, but I couldn'y get email through on your addresses.
I, too, am trying to decide between these two printers, and I would like to
hear what users of these printers have to say about the questions above.
Thank you.
Randy randy@msc.cornell.edu
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
In article <martinb.735590895@brise.ERE.UMontreal.CA> aurag@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Aurag Hassan) writes:
Are you trying to say that there were no massacres in Deir Yassin
or in Sabra and Shatila? If so then let me tell you some good jokes:
There is not and was not any such thing like jewish killing in WWII
Palestinians just did what Davidians did for fourty years and more.
In fact no one was killed in any war at any time or any place.
People die that is all. No one gets killed.
Maybe also vietamiese didn't die in Vietnam war killed by american
napalm they were just pyromaniacs and that's all.
Maybe jews just liked gas chambers and no one forced them to get in there.they
may be thought it was like snifing cocaine. No?
What do you think of this ? Isn't it stupid to say so?
Well it is as stupid as what you said .Next time you want to lie do it
intelligently.
Sincerely yours.
Hassan
Arab civilians did die at Dir yassin. But there was no massacre. First
of all, the village housed many *armed* troops. Secondly, the Irgun
and Stern fighters had absolutely no intentions of killing civilians.
The village was attacked only for its military significance. In fact,
a warning was given to the occupants of the village to leave before
the attack was to begin.
By all rational standards, Dir Yassin was not a massacre. The killing
was unintentional. The village housed Arab snipers and Arab troops.
Thus it was attacked for its military significance. It was not
attacked with intentions of killing any civilians.
To even compare Dir Yassin, in which some 120 or so Arabs died, to the
Holocaust is absurd. The Irgun did not want to kill any civilians. The
village had almost 1000 inhabitants, most of whom survived.
Harry.
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
Hi,
has anybody implements an RPC server in the HP Xwindows? In SUN Xview, there
is a notify_enable_rpc_svc() call that automatically executes the rpc processes
when it detects an incoming request. I wonder if there is a similar function in
HP X/motif that perform the same function.
any help is appreciated.
nui chan
nchan@ctr.columbia.edu
| 5comp.windows.x |
In <1993Mar31.013034.27070@ultb.isc.rit.edu> snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu (S.N. Mozumder ) writes:
>My case is that everything wrong in the world will end if people start
>believing in Islam. And that horrors to mankind are all caused by the
>lack of belief- Atheism.
For the last time, Bobby. Lack of belief in YOUR god does NOT imply
atheism. Just because some moslems aren't moral does not mean they don't
believe in a god named Allah, although their Allah may not do the things
your Allah does. If a moslem says he/she believes that a god exists, he/she
is a theist (though maybe not a TRUE follower of islam).
>30,000 murder victims a year caused by atheism. Poverty. Massive hate crimes.
>Such low respect for the human body. Distrust among people. Everything
>wrong, all caused by atheism.
>Peace,
Jerk.
>Bobby Mozumder
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| 0alt.atheism |
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