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In article <1993Apr10.195513.17991@csi.uottawa.ca> misrael@csi.uottawa.ca (Mark Israel) writes:
>In article <cocoaC5797E.43y@netcom.com>, cocoa@netcom.com (little 'e') writes:
>
[deleted]
>> Here tis. Someone just told me that the Old Testament books were translated
>> into Greek a long time ago
>
> Yes, that's a famous version called The Septuagint. It was a translation
>made by Greek Jews.
>
>> and that the originals were destroyed in a fire soon afterward.
>
> I don't know what you're referring to here. When the Jersusalem Temple was
>destroyed, some manuscripts may have been lost, but I think our extant Hebrew
>manuscripts are as good as our Greek ones. I don't know about any "originals".
The person who was telling me about the Septuagint version said that the Greeks
had a wonderful library in Alexandria that was full of manuscripts/scrolls
and that it was burned soon after the Septuagint version was translated
(perhaps to conceal some changes in the different versions, or perhaps just
as part of the typical burning of valuable things that occurs during changes
in power groups, he/I dunno).
>> So, I was just wondering, since I imagine some Jewish people somewhere must
>> have had copies of the earlier Hebrew versions, is the Hebrew version of the
>> Old Testament very different from the Greek derived version?
> No. There are a few famous discrepancies (Isaiah's prophecy about a "young
>woman" was changed into a "virgin", which was how the New Testament writers
>read it), but not many.
Well, perhaps this is the answer then.
[deleted]
> If you go to a Jewish bookstore, you'll get a Bible translated by Jews, so
>there will be some differences in interpretation, but the text they're
>translating *from* is basically the same.
>
> If you want to read "the original", you can buy an Interlinear Bible. That
>contains the Hebrew Old Testament and the Greek New Testament, with an English
>translation written underneath each word.
>
> If you want a Bible with a possibly-more-original basic text, you can try
>to find a Samaritan bible. (Good luck! I've never seen one.) The Samaritans
>(no, not the Good Samaritans) have their own version of the 5 Books of Moses.
>They claim the Jewish bible was altered by Ezra.
Thanks for the tips. Now I just have to find someone to teach me Samaritan :)
Just me,
little 'e'
(so, is a "good Samaritan hard to find?" or "is a hard... " Oh, finish this
yourself.)
--
* * * Chocolatier at Arms, and Castle Wetware Liason * * *
* * * e-mail: cocoa@netcom.com - voicemail: 415-337-4940 * * *
| 19talk.religion.misc |
Yeah, the news is true...the Leafs lost to the Wings 6-3.
Wish I could say I'd seen the whole game but my husband wanted
to watch "Young Guns II" on another channel. Sometime between
the first time I tuned in and d saw the Leafs tie and the next time
I tuned in and heard the score was 5-1, something happened.
Please no woofing from Red Wings fans. They're my third
favourite team, and if they make it past the Leafs I'll wish them
luck. As for Potvin...well, it WAS his fist playoff game.
Susan Carroll-Clark
Who likes ANYONE Doug Gilmour plays for
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
In rec.autos, CPKJP@vm.cc.latech.edu (Kevin Parker) writes:
> I'd like to get some feedback on a car with most bang for the buck in the
>$13000 to 16,000 price range. I'm looking for a car with enough civility to be
>driven every day, or even on long trips, but when I hit the gas, I want to feel
>some acceleration. Handling is important also, as are reliability and pretty
>low maintenance costs. A stylish appearance is nice, but I don't want a car
>that is all show and not much go. Even though many of the imports are fast, I
>don't really want a turbo, and I never have cared for the song sung by a four
>clyinder. I'd prefer a v6 or v8 for the engine. If you have any suggestions,
>Kevin Parker
There's only one car that really fits your needs. It's spelled:
5.0 LITER MUSTANG
| 7rec.autos |
In article <1993May15.021746.9527@seas.smu.edu> pts@seas.smu.edu (Paul
Thompson Schreiber) posted:
[PTS] ARMENIA AND AZERBAIJAN: TWO VIEWS
[PTS] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
[PTS] Washington Report On Middle East Affairs
[PTS] April/May 1993, Vol. XI, No. 9
[PTS]
[PTS] ----------------------------------------------------------------------
[PTS]
[PTS]
[PTS] Life Under Blockade In Yerevan
[PTS] ------------------------------
[PTS] By Nancy Najarian
Ms. Najarian wrote on her personal observations. If somebody wishes to
counter the reality she described, fine.
[PTS] ----------------------------------------------------------------------
[PTS]
[PTS]
[PTS] The Conflict Over Nagorno-Karabakh: An Azeri Perspective
[PTS] --------------------------------------------------------
[PTS] By Alec Rasizade
[PTS]
[PTS]
[AR] Western readers have learned of the Nagorno (Upper) Karabakh
[AR] controversy through reports from that remote area by Western
[AR] correspondents and from commentaries by member of the long-established
[AR] Armenian-American community. Azeri views on this dispute have
[AR] appeared rarely if at all in the Western news media. Therefore let me
[AR] present _Washington Report_ readers with some basic truths about the
[AR] origins of the conflict.
During the past two years, if one reads all the commentaries on the subject,
a small minority of the writers have been Armenia or Azeri.
The following should be interesting.
[AR] Armenian leaders claim that Azerbaijan was the first to oppress and
[AR] expel the Armenian minority from the Azerbaijani Republic. Actually,
[AR] the initiative to banish the Azeri minority and convert the Armenian
[AR] Republic into a homogeneous state began in the winter of 1987-1988,
[AR] when 165,000 Azeris were driven out of Armenia. Following that move,
[AR] there were massacres of Armenians in the Azerbaijani cities of Sumgait
[AR]in February 1988 and two years later, in Baku in January 1990.
This not true. Other than simply checking the newspapers, I will quote from an
independent human rights report. In the _PAX Cristi Netherlands_, 29 September
1991, page 28, we read:
"By mid-november, many incidents took place in several places in
Azerbaijan. The APF [Azeri Popular Front] challenged the Communist Party
for power. ... After ten days, the authorities came in with tanks to
reimpose their power. In Nakhitchevan, the last Armenian villages were
deported. In Ganja, Armenians were attacked and killed. All 40,000
Armenian inhabitants fled the city..."
Between 22 November and 8 December 1988, refugees from Ganja arrived in
Armenia while all 167,000 Azeris in Armenia were chased away."
In this part of the world February 1988 [start of organized anti-Armenian
pogroms in Azerbaijan] come before November and December of 1988!
[AR] Azeri parliamentary committees have compiled evidence indicating that
[AR] both events were inspired from Moscow to secure Russian imperial rule
[AR] in the Transcaucasus, according to the Roman principle of "divide and
[AR] rule." Similar conspiracies are evident throughout the five-year
[AR] history of the conflict.
It is interesting that the Azeris killed, burnt, raped the Armenians but the
perpetrators blame Russians, and Armenians themselves on other occasions.
[AR] Each time the parties have been about to reach an agreement (in
[AR] Zheleznovodsk, Moscow, Tehran, Rome, Geneva and Alma-Ata), an
[AR] invisible hand provoked further bloodshed. Those interested in
[AR] maintaining the Azeri-Armenian conflict, as well as the Georgian
[AR] turmoil, are imperialist forces in Russia, and probably in Iran.
Incorrect! When were the people of Nagorno-Karabakh ever involved in an
agreement? Never. Until Azerbaijan sits down with the Armenians of Nagorno-
Karabakh there will never be an end to this conflict.
[AR] The Armenian offensive last spring created more than 100,000 new Azeri
[AR] refugees from the captured towns of Upper and Lower Karabakh and
[AR] adjacent rural districts. Today 500,000 Azeri refugees throng the
[AR] city of Baku and environs, providing more problems for the newly
[AR] elected Popular Front government, which is opposed by the rigidly
[AR] nationalistic National Independence Party.
It's called war. If the Azerbaijanis didn't try to deport and allow the
Armenians of Nagorno-Karabakh to live in their ways, keep their Armenian
culture, these Armenians would not have had to defend their existence. The
Azeris should not have assumed that Armenians were going to roll over and
play dead.
[AR] How can a Western-style democracy survive in a small Muslim country
[AR] where 1 million of the 7 million inhabitants are unemployed? In the
[AR] absence of any international effort to help Azeri refugees, as Kurdish
[AR] and Bosnian refugees have been helped, how can the Azeri government
[AR] reject the demand of these exiles to recapture their lands, homes and
[AR] possessions?
The Azeri government should have thought about such thnings before they
attempted to deprive Armenians of "lands, homes, and possessions".
[AR] Such simple realities must be understood in the West.
[AR] Misunderstanding Caucasian politics leads both Western and Russian
[AR] public opinion to imagine a permanent, and therefore irreversible,
[AR] ethnic and religious rivalry in the Caucasus.
True, and you, Dr. Alec Rasizade, should practice what you preach!
[AR] I think Western reluctance to interfere derives from this idea.
[AR] Meanwhile, continuation of the war could draw both Eastern and Western
[AR] states into the conflict through activation of various security
[AR] alliances. These include, on the Armenian side, the Moscow-led
[AR] Commonwealth forces under the Tashkent mutual security pact, signed
[AR] May 15, 1992. On the Azeri side, should Turkey get involved as the
[AR] guarantor of the Nakhichevan autonomy through the Kars Treaty of Oct.
[AR] 13, 1921, these include the North Atlantic Treaty forces.
Western interference! Turkish intervention! The moment Turkey dares step into
this conflict it will close the doors of any chance of Turkey being part of
Europe (as if it ever will) and will destroy the eastern third of Anatolia!
Dr. Rasizade, international realpolitik is not as simple-minded as you would
have us believe.
[AR] Upper Karabakh generally is described in Western press reports as an
[AR]"Armenian enclave within Azerbaijan." The truth is that the Armenians
[AR] began to appear there only in the middle of the last century.
Incorrect once again. A brief scan of history addresses such a foolish
claim.
Armenians today, refer to the area of Nagorno-Karabakh as "Artsakh", which
comes from the Urartian term "Urtekhe-Urtekhini". NO Azeris yet!
Ancient Greeks referred to Artsakh as "Orkhistena". NO Azeris yet!
In the first half of the 6th century B.C., Artsakh, as part of Ervandid
Armenia of Media. NO Azeris yet!
From the end of the 4th century B.C., Artsakh was part of the Armenian Kingdom
of Ervan. NO Azeris yet!
Artsakh was still part of the Armenian Empire of Tigran. Orkhistena, or
Artsakh is refereed to by Strabo, as part of Armenia. NO Azeris yet!
After Armenia was divided between the Persian and Byzantine Empires in 387
A.D. until 428, Artsakh was part of Armenia. NO Azeris yet!
End of the 5th century, Utik and Artsakh became principalities of the
Aranshakhiks. NO Azeris yet!
By the 7th century an Artsakh dialect of Armenian formed. NO Azeris yet!
Emperor Konstantin (913-959) addressees a letter to the Prince of Khachen "To
Armenia". Khachen was the central principality of Artsakh. NO Azeris yet!
In the decree of Paul I (1797), the number of Armenian families in this area
was stated as 11,000.
It was from the 16th to the 18th centuries that non-Armenians from Central
Asia, Asia Minor, and Kurdistan first began to be exercise political influence
in the planes of Artsakh. Caucasian Muslims around Karabakh!
In 1813 Karabagh becomes part of Russia. Officiallt part of Russia 1828. Some
Muslims in Karabakh!
In 1914, the number of Armenian churches in Nagorno-Karabagh was 224, 188
priests, 206,768 parishioners in 224 Armenian towns and villages. The Armenian
percentage of the population was over 90%. MAX: 10% Azeris in Karabakh --
assuming no Kurds!
Consider the following statement by the Azerbaijani Revcom on December 1, 1920:
"The Worker-Peasant Government of Azerbaidzan, having been informed of the
proclamation of Armenia a Soviet Socialist Republic, sends its greetings
to the brother people. From this day the previous boundaries between
Armenia and Azerbaidzan are annulled. Nagornyi Karabakh, Zangezur, and
Nakhichevan are recognized as integral parts of the Armenian Socialis
Republic.
Long live the brotherhood and union of the workers and peasants of Soviet
Armenia and Azerbaidzan!
Chairman of the Revcom of Azerbaidzan
N. Narimanov
People's Commissar for Foreign Affairs
Guseinov"
[AR] A few years ago they celebrated the 150th anniversary of their
[AR] resettlement from Persia to Karabakh, after it came under Russian
[AR] rule.
No, incorrect. The 1988 celebration was the 150th anniversary of Russian rule
in the Caucasus, including Karabakh!
[AR] At the same time the Russian colonial administration also drew
[AR] in Russian and German settlers, who were welcomed by Azeris. How
[AR] would Americans react if the large numbers of Armenians living in
[AR] southern California suddenly claimed an Armenian homeland, and
[AR] demanded separation from California?
Non-sequitur.
[AR] Armenian historians insist that before the Armenian resettlement
[AR] Karabakh was inhabited by aboriginal Christians. That is correct.
Armenian historians don't say this!
[AR] The people of medieval Caucasian Albania adopted Christianity in the
[AR] fourth century. But those ancient residents had no link to and
[AR] nothing in common with Armenians.
Considering the Caucasian Albans were of the Armenian Apostolic faith, and
their utilization of the Armenian language in their liturgy, makes such an
argument totally invalid!
[AR] Azeris would have a better claim to
[AR] be successors of Albania, since Azeris have for centuries inhabited,
[AR] dominated, and developed the Karabakh part of the Azeri nation.
Wishing to be part of a people non-existent for nearly a millennium for geo-
political advantage is rather outrageous. In addition to such absurdity,
Azeris claim to be Turks, Persians, and all the while are Azerizing their
minorities, such as the Lezgians, Kurds, Tat, Talish, and a host of other
nationalities which may amount to nearly half the population of Azerbaijan.
[AR] Both Armenia and Azerbaijan last year signed the Final Act of the
[AR] Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe of 1975, and the
[AR] Paris Charter for New Europe of 1990, confirming their mutual
[AR] adherence to the principle of inviolability of existing borders. This
[AR] principle means that the borders and territorial integrity of the
[AR] Republic of Azerbaijan are to be guaranteed by all of the signatory
[AR] nations, not just by Turkey.
Such agreements do not give Azerbaijan the right to de-populate Karabakh of
Armenians.
[AR] This is one key to intervention on behalf either of the U.N., the
[AR] CSCE, the Commonwealth, NATO or Iran. The second key to untying the
[AR] Caucasian knot is to determine who is the aggressor, according to the
[AR] U.N. definition of 1974.
Fine, so why has Azerbaijan refused to allow UN troops into the Armenian
enclave? What is Azerbaijan afraid of? Perhaps the fact that the territory
is the home of Armenians, the UN, would by definition, support the local
population!
[AR] When that is accomplished, the international community can and should
[AR] apply to the aggressor in the Caucasus international sanctions such as
[AR] those presently being employed against Serbia and Montenegro in the
[AR] former Yugoslavia. Such decisive collective international action can
[AR] halt further aggression in Karabakh, and prevent the Armenian-Azeri
[AR] conflict from growing and spreading.
Azerbaijan's refusal to allow the Armenians of Karabakh to determine their
own future the is issue, not viewing isolating events out of context are
actions that will address the Karabakh conflict. Viewing events in a war
in isolation and out of context is like viewing the landing at Normandy as
an act of Allied aggression!
[AR] Dr. Alec Rasizade, senior research officer at the Academy of Sciences
[AR] of Azerbaijan, is a visiting researcher at the Harriman Institute of
[AR] Columbia University in New York.
Ha!
--
David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | "Armenia has not learned a lesson in
S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | Anatolia and has forgotten the
P.O. Box 382761 | punishment inflicted on it." 4/14/93
Cambridge, MA 02238 | -- Late Turkish President Turgut Ozal
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
Too many newsgroups. 'nough said? Thanx.
--
Edward Reid Greensboro FL ed@titipu.resun.com or nosc!blkhole!ed
(looking for programming contracts, especially Unisys A-Series)
| 11sci.crypt |
In article <1993Apr20.031840.18636@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes:
>In <DREIER.93Apr19195132@durban.berkeley.edu> dreier@durban.berkeley.edu (Roland Dreier) writes:
>
>>The San Francisco Bay area media is reporting tonight that the Detroit
>>Red Wings beat the Toronto Maple Leafs 6-3. Can someone who is not
>>part of the media conspiracy against the Leafs tell me how the game
>>really went (I am expecting a 4-0 win for the Leafs, shutout for
>>Potvin, hat trick for Andreychuk and a goal and 3 assists for
>>Gilmour). If the Leafs really lost, how many penalties did whichever
>>biased ref was at the game have to call against the Leafs to let the
>>Red Wings win?
>
>Ah yes. California. Did the San Francisco Bay area media report that
>Joe Montana is rumoured to be the leading candidate to replace fired
>San Jose Sharks coach George Kingston? Apparently Montana is not only
>coveted for his winning attitude, but as a playing coach he will be
>expected to quarterback the powerplay.
Close Roger, but no banana, er avocado or is it artichoke ?!?
Geracie in the Murky News said Kingston will be the new 49ers
quarterback. I'm still trying to determine if he is kidding
or not :). If I happen to pound down enuff pints sometime
this week I'll go back and check what stooper idiot Purdy
said in his column. That ought to be worth a few Leafs, I
mean Laughs. If I'm really depressed I'll read the SF Comicle.
mark
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Mark Spiegel spiegel@lmsc.lockheed.com Cow Palace:108/K/8 Epicenter: ?
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
In article <1993Apr26.023650.16749@spang.Camosun.BC.CA>, ua256@freenet.Victoria.BC.CA (Tom Moffat) writes:
|>
|>
|>If the Oilers move to Hamilton what division will they play in .
|>--
|>Tom Moffat
|>Victoria B.C.
|>Canada
|>
As a guess, Hamilton would be put into the Midwest, with either
Winnipeg or Dallas moving to the Pacific.
Bill
b_hart@macsch.com
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
Well, it really isn't this cut and dry, but as a Jay fan the thing I feared
worst has happened. The Yanks sent down Williams G and are going to start
Williams B in CF.
I also believe they kept Wickman and Millitello in their rotation, which is
much nicer than that Kaminiecki and Mike Witt combo I thought they'd throw
out their to the slaughterhouse because of their "experience". Granted, Witt
"might" be good, but I think that they used rationale to keep the youngsters
up and not given the job to Witt because he was a good pitcher and has
experience.
The Yanks are showing that they are taking positive strides forwards; the
Jays with the loss of Dave Stewart are looking at gigantic holes in their
pitching staff.
The Orioles should also be there in the end.....
Gord Niguma
(to salvage the season,
let JJ Olerud win MVP)
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
Shamim Zvonko Mohamed (sham@cs.arizona.edu) wrote:
: BULLSHIT!!! In the Gulf Massacre, 7% of all ordnance used was "smart." The
: rest - that's 93% - was just regular, dumb ol' iron bombs and stuff. Have
: you forgotten that the Pentagon definition of a successful Patriot launch
: was when the missile cleared the launching tube with no damage? Or that a
: successful interception of a Scud was defined as "the Patriot and Scud
: passed each other in the same area of the sky"?
:
: And of the 7% that was the "smart" stuff, 35% hit. Again - try to follow me
: here - that means 65% of this "smart" arsenal missed.
I used to have full figures on this including the tons of bombs dropped
and the number of cluster bomblet munitions used. I had heard the 90% of
the laser-guided weapons hit, which is an unprecedented rate of success.
25% of the iron weapons hit, again unprecedented. The following is a rough
estimate, but this means of the 80,000 tons of bombs dropped by US aircraft
around 56,000 tons *missed*. I'm not sure what proportion of this was
dropped of Baghdad rather than troop concentrations in Iraq and Kuwait.
Much of the tonnage dropped was cluster munitions, as were all the MRLS
rounds and many of the artillery rounds. Napalm and fuel air explosives
were also used (Remember how we were told that weapons of mass destruction
such as FAE were very naughty indeed?)
| 0alt.atheism |
In article <ng4.733990422@husc.harvard.edu>, ng4@husc11.harvard.edu (Ho
Leung Ng) wrote:
>
>
> When I was a kid in primary school, I used to drink tons of milk without
> any problems. However, nowadays, I can hardly drink any at all without
> experiencing some discomfort. What could be responsible for the change?
>
> Ho Leung Ng
> ng4@husc.harvard.edu
You became older and your intestine normalized to the weaned state. That
is, lactose tolerance is an unusual state for adults of most mammals
except for h. sapiens of northern European origin. As a h. sapiens of
asian descent (assumption based on name) the loss of lactase is normal
for you.
Steve Holland
gila005@uabdpo.dpo.uab.edu
| 13sci.med |
>However, Bowman is really not a modern coach, and
>Patrick's solution of having him only run the team on game days, and
>delegate most of the day-to-day responsibity to the assistants is
>a shrewd managerial decision on Patrick's part.
I would argue Gerald, that Bowman is the first "modern" coach.
Bowman's Canadiens were the first NHL team to have a weight-room
in the 70s. He is the first coach I have seen, that manipulates
the press into spreading false game plan rumours. (During important games
listen to the pre-game interview will Bowman and compare that to
what is on the ice!) I agree Bowman is a master of the lineups.
Remember last year in the SC when he benched Jagr only to set him free
in OT. When Jagr banged in the winning goal I thought this was
trademark Bowman and also a sign of a modern coach!
I am left asking "What is a modern coach if not Bowman?"
-jake.
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
It seems that, to keep the peace talks going, Israel has to keep
making goodwill gesture after goodwill gesture, while Palestinian
Arabs continue to go around hunting Jews.
If the peace talks are going to have any realistic chance of success,
the Arabs are going to have to start reciprocating, especially since
they are the ones who will be getting tangible concessions in return
for giving up only intangibles. If they keep trying to change the
already agreed upon rules, which seems to be one of their favorite
games, the Israelis are not likely to be very confident that the
intangibles they will receive at the bargaining table will be worth
the parchment they're written on.
It takes two to negotiate a peace. It's time for the Arabs to start
doing their share.
--
Alan H. Stein astein@israel.nysernet.org
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
v111qheg@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (P.VASILION) writes:
>hallam@zeus02.desy.de writes...
>
>>The B.B.C. are also reporting that bodies of B-D members were found
>>with bullet wounds in a manner that suggests they may have been shot
>>attempting to leave the compound during the fire.
>
>Can you imagine what happens when a magazine explodes? Bullets go flying every
>where. IMHO, these "gunshot wounds" were actually caused when the magazines
>went up.
Unlikely. Ammunition is not as dangerous when simply burned as it
is when fired from a gun. The brass case is not capable of holding
the pressure generated by burning powder, and will (unless supported
by the walls of a gun barrel or chamber) simply split open. While
this may cause small pieces of brass to fly around, it will not
propel the bullet with any significant velocity.
In fact, it was not uncommon in years past to dispose of old loaded
cartridges by burning them. As long as you were not close enough
to take a piece of flying brass in the eye, you were reasonably safe.
Thus, the detonation of loaded magazines or loose rounds might cause
slight injury but would be unlikely to cause fatal bullet wounds.
-- Alane --
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/ especially not my employer | -- President John F Kennedy \
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| 16talk.politics.guns |
In article <1r17j9$5ie@sbctri.sbc.com>, netd@susie.sbc.com () writes:
> In article <20APR199301460499@utarlg.uta.edu> b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (stephen) writes:
>>For those who think David Koresh didn't have a solid structure,
>>or sound Biblical backing for his hour long tape broadcast,
>
> I don't think anyone really cares about the solid structure of his
> sermon. It's the deaths he's responsible for that concern most people.
I assume you have evidence that he was responsible for the deaths?
> Koresh was a nut, okay?
Again, I'd like to see some evidence.
> I'll type this very slowly so that you can understand. He either set
> the fire himself or told his followers to do so. Don't make him out to
> be a martyr. He did not "get killed", he killed himself.
Once again, where's your proof? Suicide is considered a sin by Branch
Davidians. Also, Koresh said over and over again that he was not going to
commit suicide. Furthermore, all the cult experts said that he was not
suicidal. David Thibedeau (sp?), one of the cult members, said that the fire
was started when one of the tanks spraying the tear gas into the facilities
knocked over a lantern.
> The evil was inside the compound.
Evidence please?
> All that "thou shalt not kill" stuff.
I'd like to point out that the Bible says "Do not commit murder." The NKJ
translation mistranslates. Self-defense was never considered murder. The
reason why they were stockpiling weapons is because they were afraid the
government would try something. Their fears were obviously well founded.
--Ray Cote
There's no government like no government.
| 19talk.religion.misc |
sbp002@acad.drake.edu said:
>> In article 2482@adobe.com, snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) writes:
>>>Every single piece of evidence we can find points to Major League Baseball
>>>being 50% offense, 50% defense. A run scored is just as important as a run
>>>prevented.
>Of course a run scored is just as important as a run prevented.
>Just as a penny saved is a penny earned. Enough with the cliches.
It's not a cliche, and (unlike your comments below) it's not a tautology.
It needn't have been true. If every pitcher in baseball were essentially
the same in quality (i.e. if the variance of pitching ability were much
smaller than the variance of batting ability), then scoring runs would be
much more important than preventing them, simply because the *ability* to
actively prevent runs would be much weaker.
>My point is that IF the Braves starters are able to live up to
>their potential, they won't need much offensive support.
If that's your point, you should have said so. What you in fact said was
"Pitching and defense win championships", and later "Pitching is the essence
of baseball". Neither of which says what you are now claiming was "your
point", and neither of which is true.
>It seems to me that when quality pitchers take the
>mound, the other teams score less runs. The team that scores the most
>runs wins.
And you accuse Sherri of mouthing cliches!?
>This puts the team with the better pitching at the advantage
>(providing they can stop the opposing team from scoring runs). A low
>scoring game would clearly benefit the Braves.
It's not clear to me at all that this is true. In high-scoring games, the
team with the better offense wins a high percentage of the time. In low-
scoring games, the split is essentially 50/50 regardless of team ability.
>They should have many
>low scoring games due to their excellent pitching and below average hitting.
>On the flip side, if you had a starting lineup of great offensive players,
>I would be arguing that this team would not need great pitchers.
I thought you said "pitching and defense win championships" and "pitching is
the essence of baseball".
--
David M. Tate (dtate+@pitt.edu) | Greetings, sir, with bat not quick
member IIE, ORSA, TIMS, SABR | Hands not soft, eye not discerning
| And in Denver they call you a slugger?
"The Big Catullus" Galarraga | And compare you to my own Mattingly!?
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
In article <1993Apr15.170731.8797@isc-br.isc-br.com> steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes:
>In article <1993Apr15.013651.11353@tijc02.uucp> pjs269@tijc02.uucp (Paul Schmidt) writes:
>>steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes:
>>:
>>: As noted in another thread (Limiting govt), the problem libertarians face
>>: is insuring that the "limited government" they seek does not become the
>>: tool of private interests to pursue their own agenda.
>>:
[...]
>It is a failure of libertarianism if the ideology does not provide any
>reasonable way to restrain such actions other than utopian dreams.
You seem to be saying that a LIMITED government will provide MORE
opportunities for private interests to use it to pursue their own
agendas, and asking libertarians to prove that this will NOT happen.
While I can't offer such a proof, it seems pretty damn plausible that
if the government does not regulate a particular area, it cannot become
a tool of private interests to pursue their own agendas in that area.
I rather suspect that it's the sort of government we have NOW that is
more likely to become such a tool, and that it IS such a tool in many
instances.
>Just
>as Marxism "fails" to specify how pure communism is to be achieved and
>the state is to "wither away," libertarians frequently fail to show how
>weakening the power of the state will result in improvement in the human
>condition.
I suspect that this is because "improvement in the human condition" as
you define it is not the primary goal of libertarianism, and would not
be the primary goal of a libertarian government. My impression of
libertarianism is that its primary goal is the elimination of
government coercion except in a very limited cases.
--
Ian Sutherland
ian@eecs.nwu.edu
Sans Peur
| 18talk.politics.misc |
In article <1993Apr18.201811.28965@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, dmoney@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dean R Money) writes:
> The subject line says it all. Is it terribly difficult to get tickets
> to Penguins games, especially now that they are in the playoffs? Would
> it be easy to find scalpers outside of the Igloo selling tickets?
>
> Dean Money
> dmoney@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Here is my traditional experience with tickets, playoffs and otherwise,
at the Civic Arena.
Scalping is illegal but nonetheless present outside the Arena. Best
strategy, given that you don't mind missing the Anthem (which is OK if B.E.
Taylor decides to come back ever again :) ) is to wait until 7:40 or 7:45,
when the game is rolling; the scalpers are at this point desperate to sell
and will reduce to near or at face value to get rid of their tickets.
Playoffs are a little different in that good seats will go early on;
what's left at 7:45 may be nosebleed material (D, E sections).
Others can add on their opinions as well.
Kevin L. Stamber
Purdue University
PENGUINS 6 DEVILS 3 -- Pens lead series 1 game to none
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
In the Boston area, you can hear the Rangers on WFAN and the Devils
on WABC, the Whalers on WTIC and the Red Wings on WJR. This of course is in
addition to the Bruins who are currently on WEEI but may move to WHDH because
the fools at WEEI are owned by the Celtics and thus will show them over the
Bruins every time there is a conflict. You can also get WBAL Baltimore but
I don't think they have hockey. BTW, I once got a station from Indiana that
had Fort Wayne Comets games.
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
In article <1rd1g0$ckb@access.digex.net> prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes:
>
>My guess is why bother with usingthe shuttle to reboost?
>
>why not grapple, do all said fixes, bolt a small liquid fueled
>thruster module to HST, then let it make the re-boost. it has to be
>cheaper on mass then usingthe shuttle as a tug. that way, now that
>they are going to need at least 5 spacewalks, then they can carry
>an EDO pallet, and sit on station and even maybe do the solar array
>tilt motor fix.
>
As Herny pointed out, you have to develop the thruster.
Also, while much lighter, you still have to lift the mass of
the thruster to orbit, and then the thruster lifts its own
weight into a higher orbit. And you take up room in the payload
bay.
>pat
| 14sci.space |
In article <1993Apr24.011729.1@uwovax.uwo.ca> 35002_2765@uwovax.uwo.ca writes:
>Hooray, I hear on TSN that the Jets have won a game, Selanne
>getting a hat-trick!
>
>Of course, here in GOD'S COUNTRY (read Ontario!) I couldn't
>see that game, nor any other in the VAN-WPG series so far,
>because our beloved CBC figures no one out here cares about
>this series (which has looked pretty competitve so far...
>
>On Monday and Wednesday nights, CBC could have shown the Toronto-
>Detroit game, done the news, then picked up Winnipeg-Vancouver.
>They didn't. Tonight? You guessed it, Toronto-Detroit, the
>news (not the end of the Jets game), then Calgary-LA.
>
>SO, if it's "Hockey Night in Canada", why can't this Ontarian see
>one of the two series with two Canadian teams? Is this too much to
>ask?
>
>Paul Badertscher
>35002_2765@uwovax.uwo.ca
I'd like to echo these sentiments. This is the worst coverage I can
ever remember seeing on CBC. As soon as the game ends, I can count to 30,
and by that time, they've signed off the air. No post game interviews,
no updating of late scores, nothin'. TSN is really putting CBC to
shame. I only hope the later round coverage improves, I mean, who
really wants to see CBC PrimeTime News instead of hockey.
My $.02,
Darren
--
Darren Reiniger reiniger@ug.cs.dal.ca || arishem@ac.dal.ca
Centre For Marine Geology, Dalhousie University, Halifax, N.S., Canada
| People who wonder where this generation is going should remind themselves |
| where it came from in the first place. |
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
In article <C5t14M.Ku2@acsu.buffalo.edu> v111qheg@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (P.VASILION) writes:
> Well, this is still the land of the free for the time being. Individuals
>are supposed be able to do what they please unless it infringes upon the rights
>of someone else. Owning FULLY automatic machine guns is also permitted by
>law if you have a CLASS III FEDERAL FIREARMS LICENSE and have paid the transfer
>tax. If you are refering to the .50 cal the feds claim the BD to have had,
>I have used .50 cal for 3000 yard target shooting. It a legitimate and
>challenging sport.
I'm getting tired of these wimpy Liberals whining about gun control,
too! Ya know, the Second Amendment says
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a
free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms,
shall not be infringed.
Now, notice, it says *arms*. Not guns. Arms.
The Comsymp ZOG wants you to think that it is the only legitimate
possessor of nuclear weapons. Unconstitutional! You and I have just
as much right to a kilogram or two of nice weapons grade plutonium as
any cruddy little pointy headed liberal Los Alamos pinkos.
Support your right to keep and bear short range nuclear weapons. It's
a legitimate and challenging sport.
And screw the limit.
spl
--
Steve Lamont, SciViGuy -- (619) 534-7968 -- spl@szechuan.ucsd.edu
San Diego Microscopy and Imaging Resource/UC San Diego/La Jolla, CA 92093-0608
"My other car is a car, too."
- Bumper strip seen on I-805
| 16talk.politics.guns |
In article <1r1ml5$b27@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> jlove@ivrit.ra.itd.umich.edu (Jack Love) writes:
>>We will see what will happen to the "survivors". Don't forget however
>>that the members of the cult are responsible for the deaths of 4 ATF
>>agents. Do you really expect Koresh (dead or alive) to take sole
>>responsibility for this? I can just see it now, survivior at trial
>>"I was just following orders". Where have we heard that before???
>The point of my article was that it
>is inappropriate to compare Massada and the fate of the Jewish rebels
>to Waco.
>Once again, my point was quite simple--any comparison between the
>situation of the Branch Davidians and the Jews of Massada is absurd.
Fine, I never took issue with this, only your assertion that only Koresh
would be held responsible for the events in Waco.
--
Two wrongs don't make a right,
but three rights make a left.
| 16talk.politics.guns |
In article <1993Apr23.220259.12375@Pacesetter.COM> lynn@pacesetter.com (Lynn E. Hall) writes:
>>Nudity, fine...loud noise, fine...party all night, fine... but at the right
>>place and time. Please, let's not trample over other's rights and then bitch
>>because they don't treat us like gods.
>>
>>Michael Menard
>
> You know, I wasn't EVEN going to respond to this typical anti-party
>attitude message. Trash was everywhere - reason? Not enough dipsy
>dumpsters for the massive crowd. Oatman wasn't prepared for the vast
>number of PEOPLE that showed up.
I don't think Michael's response was anti-party but rather pro-environmental.
I agree that you gotta let us Hogs out to roam every once in awhile. Let's
hope that next year Oatman will be better prepared and that we all pick up
after ourselves.
>an asshole. I've already admitted I'm an asshole many times on the net.
>All my friends are assholes too (lyrics to a new song?). So, you want a
>dime to call someone that cares?
Well, I for one thought you told a good story, even if you say you are an
a**hole!:-) We need more biker experiances written to news. It's unfortunate
that you got flamed for telling it, but we all know this is a controversial
group.
At any rate, keep up the good work and continue to post stories.
- Jerry ('93 FXDL)
| 8rec.motorcycles |
In article <C5HIEw.7s1@portal.hq.videocart.com> dfuller@portal.hq.videocart.com (Dave Fuller) writes:
>
> Hello. I just started reading this group today, and I think I am going
>to be a large participant in its daily postings. I liked the section of
>the FAQ about constructing logical arguments - well done. I am an atheist,
>but I do not try to turn other people into atheists. I only try to figure
>why people believe the way they do - I don't much care if they have a
>different view than I do. When it comes down to it . . . I could be wrong.
>I am willing to admit the possibility - something religious followers
>dont seem to have the capability to do.
>
> Happy to be aboard !
>
>Dave Fuller
>dfuller@portal.hq.videocart.com
Welcome. I am the official keeper of the list of nicknames that people
are known by on alt.atheism (didn't know we had such a list, did you).
Your have been awarded the nickname of "Buckminster." So the next time
you post an article, sign with your nickname like so:
Dave "Buckminster" Fuller. Thanks again.
Jim "Humor means never having to say you're sorry" Copeland
--
If God is dead and the actor plays his part | -- Sting,
His words of fear will find their way to a place in your heart | History
Without the voice of reason every faith is its own curse | Will Teach Us
Without freedom from the past things can only get worse | Nothing
| 0alt.atheism |
We have received a number of requests for a reposting of the
International Obfuscated C Code Contest rules and guidelines. Also
some people requested that these rules be posted to a wider set of
groups. Sorry for the cross posting.
Some technical clarifications were made to the rules and guidelines.
(See the diff marks at the right hand edge) The rules and guidelines
for this year remain the same, so people who have already or are
in the process of submitting entries for the 1993 IOCCC need not worry
about these changes.
chongo <Landon Curt Noll> /\cc/\ chongo@toad.com
Larry Bassel lab@sun.com
=-=
#!/bin/sh
# This is part 02 of a multipart archive
# ============= mkentry.c ==============
echo "x - extracting mkentry.c (Text)"
sed 's/^X//' << 'SHAR_EOF' > mkentry.c &&
X/* @(#)mkentry.c 1.25 4/5/93 15:58:08 */
X/*
X * Copyright (c) Landon Curt Noll & Larry Bassel, 1993.
X * All Rights Reserved. Permission for personal, education or non-profit use
X * is granted provided this this copyright and notice are included in its
X * entirety and remains unaltered. All other uses must receive prior
X * permission in writing from both Landon Curt Noll and Larry Bassel.
X */
X/*
X * mkentry - make an International Obfuscated C Code Contest entry
X *
X * usage:
X * mkentry -r remarks -b build -p prog.c -o ioccc.entry
X *
X * -r remarks file with remarks about the entry
X * -b build file containing how prog.c should be built
X * -p prog.c the obfuscated program source file
X * -o ioccc.entry ioccc entry output file
X *
X * compile by:
X * cc mkentry.c -o mkentry
X */
X/*
X * Placed in the public domain by Landon Curt Noll, 1992.
X *
X * THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED ``AS IS'' AND WITHOUT ANY EXPRESS OR IMPLIED
X * WARRANTIES, INCLUDING, WITHOUT LIMITATION, THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF
X * MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
X */
X/*
X * WARNING:
X *
X * This program attempts to implement the IOCCC rules. Every attempt
X * has been made to make sure that this program produces an entry that
X * conforms to the contest rules. In all cases, where this program
X * differs from the contest rules, the contest rules will be used. Be
X * sure to check with the contest rules before submitting an entry.
X *
X * FOR MORE INFORMATION:
X *
X * You may contact the judges by sending Email to the following address:
X *
X * ...!{apple,pyramid,sun,uunet}!hoptoad!judges (not the address for
X * judges@toad.com submitting entries)
X *
X * Questions and comments about the contest are welcome.
X *
X * The rules and the guidelines may (and often do) change from year to
X * year. You should be sure you have the current rules and guidelines
X * prior to submitting entries. To obtain them, send Email to the address
X * above and use the subject 'send rules'.
X *
X * One may obtain winners of previous contests (1984 to date), via ftp from:
X *
X * host: ftp.uu.net (192.48.96.9)
X * user: anonymous
X * pass: yourname@yourhost
X * dir: ~/pub/ioccc
X *
X * As a last resort, previous winners may be obtained by sending Email
X * to the above address. Please use the subject 'send YEAR winners',
X * where YEAR is a single 4 digit year, a year range, or 'all'.
X *
X * Because contest rules change from year to year, one should only use this
X * program for the year that it was intended. Be sure that the RULE_YEAR
X * define below matches this current year.
X */
X
X#include <stdio.h>
X#include <ctype.h>
X#include <time.h>
X#include <sys/types.h>
X#include <sys/stat.h>
X
X/* logic */
X#ifndef TRUE
X# define TRUE 1
X#endif /* TRUE */
X#ifndef FALSE
X# define FALSE 0
X#endif /* FALSE */
X#define EOF_OK TRUE
X#define EOF_NOT_OK FALSE
X
X/* global limits */
X#define RULE_YEAR 1993 /* NOTE: should match the current year */
X#define START_DATE "1Mar92 0:00 UTC" /* first confirmation received */
X#define MAX_COL 79 /* max column a line should hit */
X#define MAX_BUILD_SIZE 256 /* max how to build size */
X#define MAX_PROGRAM_SIZE 3217 /* max program source size */
X#define MAX_PROGRAM_SIZE2 1536 /* max program source size not counting
X whitespace and {}; not followed by
X whitespace or EOF */
X#define MAX_TITLE_LEN 12 /* max chars in the title */
X#define MAX_ENTRY_LEN 1 /* max length in the entry input line */
X#define MAX_ENTRY 8 /* max number of entries per person per year */
X#define MAX_FILE_LEN 1024 /* max filename length for a info file */
X
X/* where to send entries */
X#define ENTRY_ADDR1 "...!{apple,pyramid,sun,uunet}!hoptoad!obfuscate"
X#define ENTRY_ADDR2 "obfuscate@toad.com"
X
X/* uuencode process - assumes ASCII */
X#define UUENCODE(c) (encode_str[(int)(c)&0xff])
X#define UUENCODE_LEN 45 /* max uuencode chunk size */
X#define UUINFO_MODE 0444 /* mode of an info file's uuencode file */
X#define UUBUILD_MODE 0444 /* mode of the build file's uuencode file */
X#define UUBUILD_NAME "build" /* name for the build file's uuencode file */
X#define UUPROG_MODE 0444 /* mode of the program's uuencode file */
X#define UUPROG_NAME "prog.c" /* name for the program's uuencode file */
X
X/* encode_str[(char)val] is the uuencoded character of val */
Xchar encode_str[256+1] = "`!\"#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\\]^_ !\"#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\\]^_ !\"#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\\]^_ !\"#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\\]^_";
X
X/* global declarations */
Xchar *program; /* our name */
Xlong start_time; /* the startup time */
X
X/* forward declarations */
Xvoid parse_args();
Xvoid usage();
XFILE *open_remark();
XFILE *open_build();
XFILE *open_program();
XFILE *open_output();
Xvoid output_entry();
Xvoid output_remark();
Xvoid output_author();
Xvoid output_info();
Xvoid output_build();
Xvoid output_program();
Xvoid output_end();
Xint get_line();
Xvoid output_till_dot();
Xint col_len();
Xvoid check_io();
Xvoid uuencode();
X
Xmain(argc, argv)
X int argc; /* arg count */
X char **argv; /* the args */
X{
X FILE *remark=NULL; /* open remarks stream */
X FILE *build=NULL; /* open build file stream */
X FILE *prog=NULL; /* open program stream */
X FILE *output=NULL; /* open output stream */
X char *rname=NULL; /* file with remarks about the entry */
X char *bname=NULL; /* file containing how prog.c should be built */
X char *pname=NULL; /* the obfuscated program source file */
X char *oname=NULL; /* ioccc entry output file */
X struct tm *tm; /* startup time structure */
X
X /*
X * check on the year
X */
X start_time = time((long *)0);
X tm = gmtime(&start_time);
X if (tm->tm_year != RULE_YEAR-1900) {
X fprintf(stderr,
X "%s: WARNING: this program applies to %d, which may differ from %d\n\n",
X argv[0], RULE_YEAR, 1900+tm->tm_year);
X }
X
X /*
X * parse the command line args
X */
X parse_args(argc, argv, &rname, &bname, &pname, &oname);
X
X /*
X * open/check the input and output files
X *
X * We open and truncate the output file first, in case it is the same
X * as one of the input files.
X */
X output = open_output(oname);
X remark = open_remark(rname);
X build = open_build(bname);
X prog = open_program(pname);
X if (output==NULL || remark==NULL || build==NULL || prog==NULL) {
X exit(1);
X }
X
X /*
X * output each section
X */
X output_entry(output, oname);
X output_remark(output, oname, remark, rname);
X output_author(output, oname);
X output_info(output, oname);
X output_build(output, oname, build, bname);
X output_program(output, oname, prog, pname);
X output_end(output, oname);
X
X /*
X * flush the output
X */
X if (fflush(output) == EOF) {
X fprintf(stderr, "%s: flush error in %s: ", program, oname);
X perror("");
X exit(2);
X }
X
X /*
X * final words
X */
X printf("\nYour entry can be found in %s. You should check this file\n",
X oname);
X printf("correct any problems and verify that the uudecode utility will\n");
X printf("correctly decode your build file and program.\n\n");
X printf("This program has been provided as a guide for submitters. In\n");
X printf("cases where it conflicts with the rules, the rules shall apply.\n");
X printf("It is your responsibility to ensure that your entry conforms to\n");
X printf("the current rules.\n\n");
X printf("Email your entries to:\n");
X printf("\t%s\n", ENTRY_ADDR1);
X printf("\t%s\n\n", ENTRY_ADDR2);
X printf("Please use the following subject when you Email your entry:\n");
X printf("\tioccc entry\n\n");
X /* all done */
X exit(0);
X}
X
X/*
X * parse_args - parse the command line args
X *
X * Given the command line args, this function parses them and sets the
X * required name flags. This function will return only if the command
X * line syntax is correct.
X */
Xvoid
Xparse_args(argc, argv, rname, bname, pname, oname)
X int argc; /* arg count */
X char **argv; /* the args */
X char **rname; /* file with remarks about the entry */
X char **bname; /* file containing how prog.c should be built */
X char **pname; /* the obfuscated program source file */
X char **oname; /* ioccc entry output file */
X{
X char *optarg; /* -flag option operand */
X int flagname; /* the name of the -flag */
X int i;
X
X /*
X * Not everyone has getopt, so we must parse args by hand.
X */
X program = argv[0];
X for (i=1; i < argc; ++i) {
X
X /* determine the flagname */
X if (argv[i][0] != '-') {
X usage(1);
X /*NOTREACHED*/
X }
X flagname = (int)argv[i][1];
X
X /* determine the flag's operand */
X if (flagname != '\0' && argv[i][2] != '\0') {
X optarg = &argv[i][2];
X } else {
X if (i+1 >= argc) {
X usage(2);
X /*NOTREACHED*/
X } else {
X optarg = argv[++i];
X }
X }
X
X /* save the flag's operand in the correct global variable */
X switch (flagname) {
X case 'r':
X *rname = optarg;
X break;
X case 'b':
X *bname = optarg;
X break;
X case 'p':
X *pname = optarg;
X break;
X case 'o':
X *oname = optarg;
X break;
X default:
X usage(3);
X /*NOTREACHED*/
X }
X }
X
X /*
X * verify that we have all of the required flags
X */
X if (*rname == NULL || *bname == NULL || *pname == NULL || *oname == NULL) {
X usage(4);
X /*NOTREACHED*/
X }
X return;
X}
X
X/*
X * usage - print a usage message and exit
X *
X * This function does not return.
X */
Xvoid
Xusage(exitval)
X int exitval; /* exit with this value */
X{
X fprintf(stderr,
X "usage: %s -r remarks -b build -p prog.c -o ioccc.entry\n\n", program);
X fprintf(stderr, "\t-r remarks\tfile with remarks about the entry\n");
X fprintf(stderr, "\t-b build\tfile containing how prog.c should be built\n");
X fprintf(stderr, "\t-p prog.c\tthe obfuscated program source file\n");
X fprintf(stderr, "\t-o ioccc.entry\tioccc entry output file\n");
X exit(exitval);
X}
X
X/*
X * open_remark - open/check the remark file
X *
X * The remark file should be indented by 4 spaces, and should not extend
X * beyond column MAX_COL. These are not requirements, so we only warn.
X *
X * This function returns NULL on I/O or format error.
X */
XFILE *
Xopen_remark(filename)
X char *filename;
X{
X FILE *stream; /* the opened file stream */
X char buf[BUFSIZ+1]; /* input buffer */
X int toolong=0; /* number of lines that are too long */
X int non_indent=0; /* number of lines not indented by 4 spaces */
X
X /*
X * open the remark input file
X */
X stream = fopen(filename, "r");
X if (stream == NULL) {
X fprintf(stderr, "%s: cannot open remark file: %s: ",
X program, filename);
X perror("");
X return(NULL);
X }
X
X /*
X * look at each line
X */
X while (fgets(buf, BUFSIZ, stream) != NULL) {
X
X /* count lines that do not start with 4 spaces */
X if (buf[0] != '\n' && strncmp(buf, " ", 4) != 0) {
X ++non_indent;
X }
X
X /* count long lines */
X if (col_len(buf) > MAX_COL) {
X /* found a line that is too long */
X ++toolong;
X }
X }
X
X /* watch for I/O errors */
X check_io(stream, filename, EOF_OK);
X
X /* note long lines if needed */
X if (toolong > 0) {
X fprintf(stderr,
X "%s: WARNING: %d line(s) from %s extend beyond the 80th column\n",
X program, toolong, filename);
X fprintf(stderr,
X "%s: This is ok, but it would be nice to avoid\n\n",
X program);
X }
X
X /* note non-indented lines, if needed */
X if (non_indent > 0) {
X fprintf(stderr,
X "%s: WARNING: %d line(s) from %s are not indented by 4 spaces\n",
X program, non_indent, filename);
X fprintf(stderr,
X "%s: This is ok, but it would be nice to avoid\n\n",
X program);
X }
X
X /* return the open file */
X rewind(stream);
X return(stream);
X}
X
X/*
X * open_build - open/check the build file
X *
X * The how to build file must not be longer than MAX_BUILD_SIZE bytes.
X *
X * This function returns NULL on I/O or size error.
X */
XFILE *
Xopen_build(filename)
X char *filename;
X{
X FILE *stream; /* the opened file stream */
X struct stat statbuf; /* the status of the open file */
X
X /*
X * open the how to build input file
X */
X stream = fopen(filename, "r");
X if (stream == NULL) {
X fprintf(stderr, "%s: cannot open how to build file: %s: ",
X program, filename);
X perror("");
X return(NULL);
X }
X
X /*
X * determine the size of the file
X */
X if (fstat(fileno(stream), &statbuf) < 0) {
X fprintf(stderr, "%s: cannot stat how to build file: %s: ",
X program, filename);
X perror("");
X return(NULL);
X }
X if (statbuf.st_size > MAX_BUILD_SIZE) {
X fprintf(stderr,
X "%s: FATAL: the how to build file: %s, is %d bytes long\n",
X program, filename, statbuf.st_size);
X fprintf(stderr,
X "%s: it may not be longer than %d bytes\n",
X program, MAX_BUILD_SIZE);
X return(NULL);
X }
X
X /* return the open file */
X return(stream);
X}
X
X/*
X * open_program - open/check the program source file
X *
X * The program source file must be <= 3217 bytes. The number of
X * non-whitespace and }{; chars not followed by whitespace must
X * be <= 1536 bytes.
X *
X * This function returns NULL on I/O or size error.
X */
XFILE *
Xopen_program(filename)
X char *filename;
X{
X FILE *stream; /* the opened file stream */
X struct stat statbuf; /* the status of the open file */
X int count; /* special count size */
X int c; /* the character read */
X
X /*
X * open the program source input file
X */
X stream = fopen(filename, "r");
X if (stream == NULL) {
X fprintf(stderr, "%s: cannot open program source file: %s: ",
X program, filename);
X perror("");
X exit(7);
X }
X
X /*
X * determine the size of the file
X */
X if (fstat(fileno(stream), &statbuf) < 0) {
X fprintf(stderr, "%s: cannot stat program source file: %s: ",
X program, filename);
X perror("");
X return(NULL);
X }
X if (statbuf.st_size > MAX_PROGRAM_SIZE) {
X fprintf(stderr,
X "%s: FATAL: the program source file: %s, is %d bytes long\n",
X program, filename, statbuf.st_size);
X fprintf(stderr,
X "%s: it may not be longer than %d bytes\n",
X program, MAX_PROGRAM_SIZE);
X return(NULL);
X }
X
X /*
X * count the non-whitespace, non {}; followed by whitespace chars
X */
X count = 0;
X c = 0;
X while ((c=fgetc(stream)) != EOF) {
X /* look at non-whitespace */
X if (!isascii(c) || !isspace(c)) {
X switch (c) {
X case '{': /* count if not followed by EOF or whitespace */
X case '}':
X case ';':
X /* peek at next char */
X c = fgetc(stream);
X if (c != EOF && isascii(c) && !isspace(c)) {
X /* not followed by whitespace or EOF, count it */
X ungetc(c, stream);
X ++count;
X }
X break;
X default:
X ++count;
X break;
X }
X }
X }
X
X /* watch for I/O errors */
X check_io(stream, filename, EOF_OK);
X
X /* look at the special size */
X if (count > MAX_PROGRAM_SIZE2) {
X fprintf(stderr,
X "%s: FATAL: the number of bytes that are non-whitespace, and\n",
X program);
X fprintf(stderr,
X "%s: that are not '{', '}', ';' followed by whitespace\n",
X program);
X fprintf(stderr,
X "%s: or EOF must be <= %d bytes\n",
X program, MAX_PROGRAM_SIZE2);
X fprintf(stderr,
X "%s: in %s, %d bytes were found\n",
X program, filename, count);
X return(NULL);
X }
X
X /* return the open file */
X rewind(stream);
X return(stream);
X}
X
X/*
X * open_output - open/check the entry output file
X *
X * This function returns NULL on open error.
X */
XFILE *
Xopen_output(filename)
X char *filename;
X{
X FILE *stream; /* the opened file stream */
X
X /*
X * open the ioccc entry output file
X */
X stream = fopen(filename, "w");
X if (stream == NULL) {
X fprintf(stderr, "%s: cannot open ioccc entry file for output: %s: ",
X program, filename);
X perror("");
X exit(8);
X }
X
X /* return the open file */
X return(stream);
X}
X
X/*
X * output_entry - output the ---entry--- section
X *
X * Read the needed information form stdin, and write the entry section.
X */
Xvoid
Xoutput_entry(output, oname)
X FILE *output; /* entry's output file stream */
X char *oname; /* name of the output file */
X{
X char title[MAX_TITLE_LEN+1+1]; /* the entry's title */
X char buf[MAX_COL+1+1]; /* I/O buffer */
X int entry=0; /* entry number */
X int ret; /* fields processed by fscanf */
X int ok_line=0; /* 0 => the line is not ok */
X char skip; /* input to skip */
X FILE *date_pipe; /* pipe to a date command */
X time_t epoch_sec; /* seconds since the epoch */
X char *p;
X
X /*
X * write the start of the section
X */
X fprintf(output, "---entry---\n");
X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);
X
X /*
X * write the rule year
X */
X fprintf(output, "rule:\t%d\n", RULE_YEAR);
X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);
X
X /* determine if this is a fix */
X printf("Is this a fix, update or resubmittion to a ");
X printf("previous entry (enter y or n)? ");
X while (get_line(buf, 1+1, 0) <= 0 || !(buf[0]=='y' || buf[0]=='n')) {
X printf("\nplease answer y or n: ");
X }
X if (buf[0] == 'y') {
X fprintf(output, "fix:\ty\n");
X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);
X printf("\nBe sure that the title and entry number that you give\n");
X printf("are the same of as the entry you are replacing\n");
X } else {
X fprintf(output, "fix:\tn\n");
X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);
X }
X
X /*
X * write the title
X */
X printf("\nYour title must match expression be a [a-zA-Z0-9_=] character\n");
X printf("followed by 0 to %d more [a-zA-Z0-9_=+-] characters.\n\n",
X MAX_TITLE_LEN-1);
X printf("It is suggested, but not required, that the title should\n");
X printf("incorporate your username; in the\n");
X printf("case of multiple authors, consider using parts of the usernames\n");
X printf("of the authors.\n\n");
X printf("enter your title: ");
X do {
X /* prompt and read a line */
X if ((ok_line = get_line(title, MAX_TITLE_LEN+1, MAX_COL-9)) <= 0) {
X printf("\ntitle is too long, please re-enter: ");
X continue;
X }
X
X /* verify the pattern, not everyone has regexp, so do it by hand */
X if (!isascii((int)title[0]) ||
X !(isalnum((int)title[0]) || title[0] == '_' || title[0] == '=')) {
X printf("\ninvalid first character in the title\n\n");
X printf("enter your title: ");
X ok_line = 0;
X } else {
X for (p=(&title[1]); *p != '\0' && *p != '\n'; ++p) {
X if (!isascii((int)*p) ||
X !(isalnum((int)*p) ||
X *p == '_' || *p == '=' || *p == '+' || *p == '-')) {
X printf("\ninvalid character in the title\n\n");
X printf("enter your title: ");
X ok_line = 0;
X }
X }
X }
X } while (ok_line <= 0);
X fprintf(output, "title:\t%s", title);
X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);
X
X /*
X * write the entry number
X */
X printf("\nEach person may submit up to %d entries per year.\n\n",
X MAX_ENTRY);
X printf("enter an entry number from 0 to %d inclusive: ", MAX_ENTRY-1);
X do {
X /* get a valid input line */
X fflush(stdout);
X ret = fscanf(stdin, "%d[\n]", &entry);
X check_io(stdin, "stdin", EOF_NOT_OK);
X /* skip over input until newline is found */
X do {
X skip = fgetc(stdin);
X check_io(stdin, "stdin", EOF_NOT_OK);
X if (skip != '\n') {
X /* bad text in input, invalidate entry number */
X entry = -1;
X }
X } while (skip != '\n');
X
X /* check if we have a number, and if it is in range */
X if (ret != 1 || entry < 0 || entry > MAX_ENTRY-1) {
X printf(
X "\nThe entry number must be between 0 and %d inclusive\n\n",
X MAX_ENTRY-1);
X printf("enter the entry number: ");
X }
X } while (ret != 1 || entry < 0 || entry > MAX_ENTRY-1);
X fprintf(output, "entry:\t%d\n", entry);
X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);
X
X /*
X * write the submission date
X */
X /* returns a newline */
X epoch_sec = time(NULL);
X fprintf(output, "date:\t%s", asctime(gmtime(&epoch_sec)));
X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);
X
X /*
X * write the OS/machine host information
X */
X printf(
X "\nEnter the machine(s) and OS(s) under which your entry was tested.\n");
X output_till_dot(output, oname, "host:");
X}
X
X/*
X * output_remark - output the ---remark--- section
X *
X * Read the needed information form stdin, and write the entry section.
X */
Xvoid
Xoutput_remark(output, oname, remark, rname)
X FILE *output; /* entry's output file stream */
X char *oname; /* name of the output file */
X FILE *remark; /* stream to the file containing remark text */
X char *rname; /* name of the remark file */
X{
X char buf[BUFSIZ+1]; /* input/output buffer */
X
X /*
X * write the start of the section
X */
X fprintf(output, "---remark---\n");
X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);
X
X /*
X * copy the remark file to the section
X */
X while (fgets(buf, BUFSIZ, remark) != NULL) {
X fputs(buf, output);
X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);
X }
X check_io(remark, rname, EOF_OK);
X
X /* be sure that the remark section ends with a newline */
X if (buf[strlen(buf)-1] != '\n') {
X fputc('\n', output);
X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);
X }
X}
X
X/*
X * output_author - output the ---author--- section
X *
X * Read the needed information from stdin, and write the author section.
X * If multiple authors exist, multiple author sections will be written.
X */
Xvoid
Xoutput_author(output, oname)
X FILE *output; /* entry's output file stream */
X char *oname; /* name of the output file */
X{
X char buf[MAX_COL+1+1]; /* I/O buffer */
X int more_auths; /* TRUE => more authors to note */
X int auth_cnt=0; /* number of authors processed */
X
X /*
X * prompt the user for the author section
X */
X printf("\nEnter information about each author. If your entry is after\n");
X printf("%s and before the contest deadline, the judges\n", START_DATE);
X printf("will attempt to Email back a confirmation to the first author\n");
X
X /*
X * place author information for each author in an individual section
X */
X do {
X
X /* write the start of the section */
X fprintf(output, "---author---\n");
X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);
X
X /* write the author */
X printf("\nAuthor #%d name: ", ++auth_cnt);
X while (get_line(buf, MAX_COL+1, MAX_COL-9) <= 0) {
X printf("\nname too long, please re-enter: ");
X }
X fprintf(output, "name:\t%s", buf);
X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);
X
X /* write the organization */
X printf("\nEnter the School/Company/Organization of author #%d\n",
X auth_cnt);
X printf("\nAuthor #%d org: ", auth_cnt);
X while (get_line(buf, MAX_COL+1, MAX_COL-9) <= 0) {
X printf("\nline too long, please re-enter: ");
X }
X fprintf(output, "org:\t%s", buf);
X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);
X
X /* write the address */
X printf(
X "\nEnter the postal address for author #%d. Be sure to include\n",
X auth_cnt);
X printf("your country and do not include your name.\n");
X output_till_dot(output, oname, "addr:");
X
X /* write the Email address */
X printf(
X "\nEnter the Email address for author #%d. Use an address from\n",
X auth_cnt);
X printf(
X "a registered domain or well known site. If you give several\n");
X printf("forms, list them one per line.\n");
X output_till_dot(output, oname, "email:");
X
X /* write the anonymous status */
X printf("\nShould author #%d remain anonymous (enter y or n)? ",
X auth_cnt);
X while (get_line(buf, 1+1, 0) <= 0 || !(buf[0]=='y' || buf[0]=='n')) {
X printf("\nplease answer y or n: ");
X }
X fprintf(output, "anon:\t%s", buf);
X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);
X
X /* determine if there is another author */
X printf("\nIs there another author (enter y or n)? ");
X while (get_line(buf, 1+1, 0) <= 0 || !(buf[0]=='y' || buf[0]=='n')) {
X printf("\nplease answer y or n: ");
X }
X if (buf[0] == 'y') {
X more_auths = TRUE;
X } else {
X more_auths = FALSE;
X }
X } while (more_auths == TRUE);
X return;
X}
X
X/*
X * output_info - output the ---info--- section(s)
X *
X * Read the needed information from stdin, and write the info section.
X * If multiple info files exist, multiple info sections will be written.
X */
Xvoid
Xoutput_info(output, oname)
X FILE *output; /* entry's output file stream */
X char *oname; /* name of the output file */
X{
X char infoname[MAX_FILE_LEN+1]; /* filename buffer */
X char yorn[1+1]; /* y or n answer */
X char *uuname; /* name to uuencode as */
X FILE *infile; /* info file stream */
X
X /*
X * prompt the user for info information
X */
X printf("\nInfo files should be used only to supplement your entry.\n");
X printf("For example, info files may provide sample input or detailed\n");
X printf("information about your entry. Because they are supplemental,\n");
X printf("the entry should not require them to exist.\n\n");
X
X /*
X * while there is another info file to save, uuencode it
X */
X printf("Do you have a info file to include (enter y or n)? ");
X while (get_line(yorn, 1+1, 0) <= 0 || !(yorn[0]=='y' || yorn[0]=='n')) {
X printf("\nplease answer y or n: ");
X }
X while (yorn[0] == 'y') {
X
X /* read the filename */
X printf("\nEnter the info filename: ");
X while (get_line(infoname, MAX_FILE_LEN+1, 0) <= 0) {
X printf("\nInfo filename too long, please re-enter: ");
X }
X
X /* compute the basename of the info filename */
X /* remove the trailing newline */
X uuname = &infoname[strlen(infoname)-1];
X *uuname = '\0';
X /* avoid rindex/shrrchr compat issues, do it by hand */
X for (--uuname; uuname > infoname; --uuname) {
X if (*uuname == '/') {
X ++uuname;
X break;
X }
X }
X
X /* attempt to open the info file */
X infile = fopen(infoname, "r");
X if (infile == NULL) {
X fprintf(stderr, "\n%s: cannot open info file: %s: ",
X program, infoname);
X perror("");
X continue;
X }
X
X /*
X * write the start of the section
X */
X fprintf(output, "---info---\n");
X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);
X
X /* uuencode the info file */
X uuencode(output, oname, infile, infoname, UUINFO_MODE, uuname);
X
X printf("\nDo you have another info file to include (enter y or n)? ");
X while (get_line(yorn, 1+1, 0) <= 0 || !(yorn[0]=='y' || yorn[0]=='n')) {
X printf("\nplease answer y or n: ");
X }
X };
X return;
X}
X
X/*
X * output_build - output the ---build--- section
X *
X * Read the needed information from stdin, and write the build section.
X */
Xvoid
Xoutput_build(output, oname, build, bname)
X FILE *output; /* entry's output file stream */
X char *oname; /* name of the output file */
X FILE *build; /* open build file stream */
X char *bname; /* name of the build file */
X{
X /*
X * write the start of the section
X */
X fprintf(output, "---build---\n");
X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);
X
X /*
X * uuencode the program file
X */
X uuencode(output, oname, build, bname, UUBUILD_MODE, UUBUILD_NAME);
X return;
X}
X
X/*
X * output_program - output the ---program--- section
X *
X * Read the needed information form stdin, and write the program section.
X */
Xvoid
Xoutput_program(output, oname, prog, pname)
X FILE *output; /* entry's output file stream */
X char *oname; /* name of the output file */
X FILE *prog; /* open program stream */
X char *pname; /* name of program file */
X{
X /*
X * write the start of the section
X */
X fprintf(output, "---program---\n");
X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);
X
X /*
X * uuencode the program file
X */
X uuencode(output, oname, prog, pname, UUPROG_MODE, UUPROG_NAME);
X return;
X}
X
X/*
X * output_end - output the ---end--- section
X *
X * Read the needed information form stdin, and write the 'end section'.
X */
Xvoid
Xoutput_end(output, oname)
X FILE *output; /* entry's output file stream */
X char *oname; /* name of the output file */
X{
X /*
X * write the final section terminator
X */
X fprintf(output, "---end---\n");
X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);
X return;
X}
X
X/*
X * get_line - get an answer from stdin
X *
X * This function will flush stdout, in case a prompt is pending, and
X * read in the answer.
X *
X * This function returns 0 if the line is too long, of the length of the
X * line (including the newline) of the line was ok. This function does
X * not return if ERROR or EOF.
X */
Xint
Xget_line(buf, siz, maxcol)
X char *buf; /* input buffer */
X int siz; /* length of input, including the newline */
X int maxcol; /* max col allowed, 0 => disable check */
X{
X int length; /* the length of the input line */
X
X /* flush terminal output */
X fflush(stdout);
X
X /* read the line */
X if (fgets(buf, siz+1, stdin) == NULL) {
X /* report the problem */
X check_io(stdin, "stdin", EOF_NOT_OK);
X }
X
X /* look for the newline */
X length = strlen(buf);
X if (buf[length-1] != '\n') {
X int eatchar; /* the char being eaten */
X
X /* no newline found, line must be too long, eat the rest of the line */
X do {
X eatchar = fgetc(stdin);
X } while (eatchar != EOF && eatchar != '\n');
X check_io(stdin, "stdin", EOF_NOT_OK);
X
X /* report the situation */
X return 0;
X }
X
X /* watch for long lines, if needed */
X if (maxcol > 0 && (length > maxcol || col_len(buf) > maxcol)) {
X /* report the situation */
X return 0;
X }
X
X /* return length */
X return length;
X}
X
X/*
X * output_till_dot - output a set of lines until '.' by itself is read
X *
X * This routine will read a set of lines until (but not including)
X * a single line with '.' is read. The format of the output is:
X *
X * leader:\tfirst line
X * \tnext line
X * \tnext line
X * ...
X *
X * This routine will not return if I/O error or EOF.
X */
Xvoid
Xoutput_till_dot(output, oname, leader)
X FILE *output; /* entry's output file stream */
X char *oname; /* name of the output file */
X char *leader; /* the lead text for the first line */
X{
X char buf[BUFSIZ+1]; /* input buffer */
X int count; /* lines read */
X int done=FALSE; /* TRUE => finished reading input */
X
X /* instruct the user on how to input */
X printf("\nTo end input, enter a line with a single period.\n");
X
X /* read lines until '.' or EOF */
X count = 0;
X while (!done) {
X /* issue the prompt */
X printf("%s\t", (count>0) ? "" : leader);
X fflush(stdout);
X
X /* get the line */
X if (get_line(buf, BUFSIZ, MAX_COL-9) <= 0) {
X printf("\nline too long, please re-enter:\n\t");
X continue;
X }
X
X /* note if '.' was read */
X if (strcmp(buf, ".\n") == 0) {
X done = TRUE;
X }
X
X /* write line if we read something */
X if (!done) {
X fprintf(output, "%s\t%s", (count++>0) ? "" : leader, buf);
X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);
X }
X }
X
X /* if no lines read, at least output something */
X if (count <= 0) {
X fprintf(output, "%s\t.\n", leader);
X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);
X }
X return;
X}
X
X/*
X * col_len - determine the highest that a string would reach
X *
X * Given a string, this routine returns that a string would reach
X * if the string were printed at column 1. Tab stops are assumed
X * to start at 9, 17, 25, 33, ...
X */
Xint
Xcol_len(string)
X char *string; /* the string to examine */
X{
X int col; /* current column */
X char *p; /* current char */
X
X /* scan the string */
X for (col=0, p=string; *p != '\0' && *p != '\n'; ++p) {
X /* note the column shift */
X col = (*p=='\t') ? 1+((col+8)/8*8) : col+1;
X }
X if (*p == '\n') {
X --col;
X }
X
X /* return the highest column */
X return col;
X}
X
X/*
X * check_io - check for EOF or I/O error on a stream
X *
X * Does not return if EOF or I/O error.
X */
Xvoid
Xcheck_io(stream, name, eof_ok)
X FILE *stream; /* the stream to check */
X char *name; /* the name of this stream */
X int eof_ok; /* EOF_OK or EOF_NOT_OK */
X{
X /* test for I/O error */
X if (ferror(stream)) {
X fprintf(stderr, "%s: error on %s: ", program, name);
X perror("");
X exit(1);
X
X /* test for EOF */
X } else if (eof_ok == EOF_NOT_OK && feof(stream)) {
X fprintf(stderr, "%s: EOF on %s\n", program, name);
X exit(1);
X }
X return;
X}
X
X/*
X * uuencode - uuencode a file
X *
X * Perform the uuencoding process identical to the process performed
X * by the uuencode(1) utility.
X *
X * This routine implements the algorithm described in the uuencode(5)
X * 4.3BSD Reno man page.
X */
Xvoid
Xuuencode(output, oname, infile, iname, umode, uname)
X FILE *output; /* output file stream */
X char *oname; /* output filename */
X FILE *infile; /* input file stream */
X char *iname; /* input filename */
X int umode; /* the mode to put on the uuencode file */
X char *uname; /* name to put on the uuencode file */
X{
X char buf[UUENCODE_LEN+1]; /* the uuencode buffer */
X int read_len; /* actual number of chars read */
X int val; /* 6 bit chunk from buf */
X char filler='\0'; /* filler uuencode pad text */
X char *p;
X
X /*
X * output the initial uuencode header
X */
X fprintf(output, "begin %o %s\n", umode, uname);
X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);
X
X /*
X * clear out the input buffer
X */
X for (p=buf; p < &buf[sizeof(buf)/sizeof(buf[0])]; ++p) {
X *p = '\0';
X }
X
X /*
X * We will process UUENCODE_LEN chars at a time, forming
X * a single output line each time.
X */
X while ((read_len=fread(buf,sizeof(buf[0]),UUENCODE_LEN,infile)) > 0) {
X
X /*
X * the first character is the length character
X */
X fputc(UUENCODE(read_len), output);
X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);
X
X /*
X * We will convert 24 bits at a time. Thus we will convert
X * 3 sets of 8 bits into 4 sets of uuencoded 6 bits.
X */
X for (p=buf; read_len>0; read_len-=3, p+=3) {
X
X /* bits 0 to 5 */
X val = (p[0]>>2)&0x3f;
X fputc(UUENCODE(val), output);
X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);
X
X /* bits 6 to 11 */
X val = ((p[0]<<4)&0x30) | ((p[1]>>4)&0x0f);
X fputc(UUENCODE(val), output);
X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);
X
X /* bits 12 to 17 */
X val = ((p[1]<<2)&0x3c) | ((p[2]>>6)&0x03);
X fputc(UUENCODE(val), output);
X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);
X
X /* bits 18 to 23 */
X val = p[2]&0x3f;
X fputc(UUENCODE(val), output);
X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);
X }
X
X /* end of UUENCODE_LEN line */
X fputc('\n', output);
X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);
X
X /*
X * clear out the input buffer (don't depend on bzero() or memset())
X */
X for (p=buf; p < &buf[sizeof(buf)/sizeof(buf[0])]; ++p) {
X *p = '\0';
X }
X }
X
X /* check the last read on the input file */
X check_io(infile, iname, EOF_OK);
X
X /* write end of uuencode file */
X fprintf(output, "%c\nend\n", UUENCODE(filler));
X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);
X}
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if test "$Wc_c" != "34482"; then
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X1993 Obfuscated contest information
X
XCopyright (c) Landon Curt Noll & Larry Bassel, 1993.
XAll Rights Reserved. Permission for personal, education or non-profit use is
Xgranted provided this this copyright and notice are included in its entirety
Xand remains unaltered. All other uses must receive prior permission in writing
Xfrom both Landon Curt Noll and Larry Bassel.
X
XThe International Obfuscated C Code Contest (IOCCC), in the sprit of
Xco-operation, is willing mention other programming contents, as space
Xpermits.
X
XHow to have your contest included in this file:
X
X If you wish the IOCCC judges to include your contest in this file,
X send a request to:
X
X judges@toad.com
X
X We request that contest descriptions be limited to 50 lines and to
X not exceed 2500 bytes. We typically request that your contest
X include a current description of the IOCCC.
X
X In order to be included in this file for given year, we must
X receive a current description no EARLIER than Jan 1 00:00:00 UTC and
X no LATER than Feb 15 00:00:00 UTC. Agreement to publish your
X contest must also be obtained prior to Feb 15. Annual contests
X that fail to submit a new entry will be dropped from this file.
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X
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X with the IOCCC, nor are they endorsed by the IOCCC. We reserve the
X right to refuse to print information about a given contest.
X
X The information below was provided by the particular contest
X organizer(s) and printed by permission. Please contact the
X contest organizer(s) directly regarding their contents.
X
XWith that official notice given, we present for your ENJOYMENT, the following
Xinformation about contents:
X
X---------------------------------------------------------------------------
X
X 10th International Obfuscated C Contest
X
X "The original obfuscated contest"
X
X Obfuscate: tr.v. -cated, -cating, -cates. 1. a. To render obscure.
X b. To darken. 2. To confuse: Their emotions obfuscated
X their judgment. [LLat. obfuscare, to darken : ob(intensive) +
X Lat. fuscare, to darken < fuscus, dark.] -obfuscation n.
X obfuscatory adj.
X
X GOALS OF THE CONTEST:
X
X * To write the most Obscure/Obfuscated C program under the rules below.
X * To show the importance of programming style, in an ironic way.
X * To stress C compilers with unusual code.
X * To illustrate some of the subtleties of the C language.
X * To provide a safe forum for poor C code. :-)
X
X The IOCCC is the grandfather of USENET programming contests. Since
X 1984, this contest demonstrated that a program that simply works
X correctly is not sufficient. The IOCCC has also done much to add
X the arcane word 'obfuscated' back into the English language.
X (see "The New Hacker's Dictionary" by Eric Raymond)
X
X You are strongly encouraged to read the new contest rules before
X sending any entries. The rules, and sometimes the contest Email
X address itself, change over time. A valid entry one year may
X be rejected in a later year due to changes in the rules. The typical
X start date for contests is in early March. Contest rules are normally not
X finalized and posted until the beginning of the contest. The typical
X closing date for contests are in early May.
X
X The rules and the guidelines may (and often do) change from year to
X year. You should be sure you have the current rules and guidelines
X prior to submitting entries. To obtain them, send Email to the address
X above and use the subject 'send rules'.
X
X One may obtain winners of previous contests (1984 to date), via ftp from:
X
X host: ftp.uu.net (192.48.96.9)
X user: anonymous
X pass: yourname@yourhost
X dir: ~/pub/ioccc
X
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X to the above address. Please use the subject 'send YEAR winners',
X where YEAR is a single 4 digit year, a year range, or 'all'.
X
X---------------------------------------------------------------------------
X
X 0th International Obfuscated Perl Contest
X By: Landon Noll & Larry Wall
X
X This content is being planned. Someday when Landon & Larry are not too
X busy, they will actually get around to posting the first set of rules!
X
X Landon says: "Yes, I know that I said we would have a contest in 1993,
X but other existing projects got in the way. Hopefully
X something will be developed after Nov 1993."
X
X---------------------------------------------------------------------------
X
X 2nd International obFUsCaTeD POsTsCripT Contest
X Jonathan Monsarrat (jgm@cs.brown.edu)
X Alena Lacova (alena@nikhef.nl)
X
X A contest of programming skills and knowledge, exclusively for the
X PostScript programming language. Its purpose:
X
X * To spread knowledge of PostScript and its details.
X * To applaud those with the best tricks.
X * To prove that humans can beat those damnable machine generators at
X their own game by writing the most obscure and mysterious PostScript
X programs ever.
X
X Winners will receive the fame and attention that goes with having their
X program entry posted as a winner to programmers world-wide.
X
X The 1993 contest rules and results are available by ftp as
X ``wilma.cs.brown.edu:pub/postscript/obfuscated*.shar'', or individually
X in the obfuscated directory. The judges will post the 1994 rules
X in November to comp.lang.postscript on Usenet, and other places.
X Send questions to jgm@cs.brown.edu.
X
X Categories include: Best Obfuscated PostScript, Best Artwork,
X Most Compact, Best Interactive Program, Most Useful, and
X anything so unusual and creative that it deserves an award.
X
X The judges will choose the winners of each category.
X
X Alena Lacova is a system administrator at NIKHEF (Institute for High
X Energy and Nuclear Physics) in the Netherlands. She is the author of
X The PostScript Chaos Programs, which draw Julia sets, Mandelbrot sets
X and other kinds of fractal functions.
X
X Jonathan Monsarrat is a graduate student from MIT and Brown University
X in the U.S.A. He is the FAQ maintainer for the Usenet newsgroup
X comp.lang.postscript and the author of The PostScript Zone and LameTeX.
X .
X
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if test "$Wc_c" != "6418"; then
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| 5comp.windows.x |
In article <2003@tecsun1.tec.army.mil> riggs@descartes.etl.army.mil (Bill Riggs) writes:
> One thing that should be made clear is that neither the FBI nor
>the BATF is responsible for what happened yesterday. One can argue about
>the initial raid, but it would be worth mentioning, before the facts get
>lost, that
>
> 1. The Branch Davidians were tipped off that the BATF was coming
> during the initial raid.
>
> 2. The Branch Davidians opened fire first.
See, this is what really bugs me about this whole incident, and
also about Usenet: Here we are almost two months after the original
raid, a raid witnessed by several members of the press, and there is
STILL no agreement about the basic facts. Riggs, here, and others,
are claiming that the BD's shot first, while others on the net claim
that the feds did, in the form of concussion grenades.
I suggest that before ANY of you make any claims about who shot
first, you DOCUMENT your claim with actual evidence, and not just
FOAF or "he said / she said". Otherwise don't use words like
"fact" above - it just makes you all look stupid.
---peter
| 19talk.religion.misc |
weidlich@arb-phys.uni-dortmund.de (Weidlich) writes:
: I'm searching for a phonetic TrueType font for Windows 3.1. If
: anybody knows one, please mail me!
:
: Thanks.
:
: dw
:
:
: ##################################################################
: Dipl.-Inform. Dietmar Weidlich # IfADo, Ardeystr. 67 #
: weidlich@arb-phys.uni-dortmund.de # D-4600 Dortmund 50 #
: Phone ++49 231 1084-250 # >> Dr. B.: "Koennten Sie das #
: Fax ++49 231 1084-401 # MAL EBEN erledigen?" << #
Yes, I'm looking for phonetic font(s) too! So if you know one,
please mail me too!
Thanks in advance
Patrick Hudepohl
VU Amsterdam
The Netherlands
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
In article <1r1j1l$4t@transfer.stratus.com>, cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes:
> In article <1993Apr20.143255.12711@mcs.kent.edu>, mhamilto@Nimitz.mcs.kent.edu (The Lawnmowerman) writes:
>
> Oh, then, I guess that shooting THOSE kind of babies is all right.
>
> You sick bastard.
> --
>
> cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company,
> OR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors' Packet...
>
Why thanks for your reply to my post. By the way, I never, never ever said
that it was right to shoot "THOSE kind" of babies. However it was the Branch
Davidian people in there that insisted on staying there with their "savior"
(yeah right budy boy) because he had brain-washed them into believing that
what ever he says is the truth, even if means that they are to give up their
lives for <<<<HIS>>>> cause. Therefore it is Davids fault and not the ATF's
who gave them 50 to 51 days to get out, this was 50 days to many for me and
for many of the rest of the U.S. I am however sad to hear of the death of any
child unlike the sick bastard I supposedly am.
--
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| CS/ Physics Major | 1499h751@ksuvxb.kent.edu | (The Lawnmowerman) |
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| 16talk.politics.guns |
In article turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin) writes:
>I hope Gordon Banks did not mean to imply that notions such as
>hard-to-see candida infections causing various problems should not
>be investigated. Many researchers have made breakthroughs by
>figuring out how to investigate things that were previously thought
>"virtually impossible to test for."
>
>Indeed, I would be surprised if "candida overbloom" were such a
>phenomena. I would think that candida would produce signature
>byproducts whose measure would then set a lower bound on the
>extent of recent infection. I realize this might get quite
>tricky and difficult, probably expensive, and likely inconvenient
>or uncomfortable to the subjects, but that is not the same as
>"virtually impossible."
I recall reading in the recently revised edition of the "Yeast Connection"
that there is indeed work by researchers to do this. Of course, they are
working on the theory that candida overbloom with penetration into mucus
membrane tissue with associated "mild" inflammatory response can and does
occur in a large number of people. If you reject this "yeast hypothesis",
then I'd guess you'd view this research as one more wasteful and quixotic
endeavor. Stay tuned.
Jon Noring
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Who are you? Read alt.psychology.personality! That's where the action is.
| 13sci.med |
In article <C5Mv3v.2o5@world.std.com> rsilver@world.std.com (Richard Silver) writes:
>
>Some recent postings remind me that I had read about risks
>associated with the barbecuing of foods, namely that carcinogens
>are generated. Is this a valid concern? If so, is it a function
>of the smoke or the elevated temperatures? Is it a function of
>the cooking elements, wood or charcoal vs. lava rocks? I wish
>to know more. Thanks.
From THE TUFTS UNIVERSITY GUIDE TO TOTAL NUTRITION: Stanley Gershoff,
Ph.D., Dean of Tufts University School of Nutrition; HarperPerennial, 1991
(ISBN #0-06-272007-4):
"The greatest hazard of barbecuing is that the cook will not use
enough caution and get burned. Some people suggest that the
barbecuing itself is dangerous, because the smoke, which is
absorbed by the meat, contains benzopyrene, which, in its pure form,
has been known to cause cancer in laboratory animals. However,
in order to experience the same results, people would have to
consume unrealistically large quantities of barbecued meat at a
time."
-Rich Young (These are not Kodak's opinions.)
| 13sci.med |
Bill Conner (bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu) wrote:
: There are a couple of things about your post and others in this thread
: that are a little confusing. An atheist is one for whom all things can
: be understood as processes of nature - exclusively.
This definition does not include all atheists (see the FAQ). However,
I (for one) do think there is no need to invoke any divine or
spiritual explanations.
It makes a big difference to claim that all things can be understood
as natural processes, and to claim that our observations do not
require us to postulate any divine intervention, or anything spiritual,
for that matter. Humans are not omnipotent, and neither is science.
However, science has one advantage theology doesn't: it is self-
correcting, with nature as its judge.
It is delightful to see how scientific inquiry is revealing a self-
consistent, simple picture of our universe. Science is no longer
a bunch of separate branches, it is one. From particle physics to
psychology. And no aspect of our life, or our universe, is safe
from its stern and stony eye. Not even our consciousness.
There is no need
: for any recourse to Divnity to describe or explain anything. There is
: no purpose or direction for any event beyond those required by
: physics, chemistry, biology, etc.; everything is random, nothing is
: determnined.
Actually, determinism vs. indeterminism is a philosophical question,
and science cannot say whether the whole thing is actually somehow
superdeterministic or not. I think the question does not have
any meaning, as far as individual human beings go. If their apparent
free will is an illusion, it does not appear to be so from their
perspective. Bill, can you say _for sure_ whether you have a free
will or not?
: This would also have to include human intelligence of course and all
: its products. There is nothing requiring that life evolve or that it
: acquire intelligence, it's just a happy accident.
Maybe. Who are we to tell? It seems intelligence is useful - when
during the history of Earth has _one species_ been able to control
one third of the whole biosphere? This can still be a result of
numerous happy accidents our genetic machinery blindly replicates
and preserves. Even that machinery can be result of the same
principle - only the systems that can start replicating will
survive, those which don't don't make it. (Recommended reading: t.o)
: For an atheist, no
: event can be preferred to another or be said to have more or less
: value than another in any naturalistic sense, and no thought -about-
: an event can have value.
From whose perspective? I value events and things subjectively, from
my perspective. Nature does not have values, because it does not have
a perspective - values arise from awareness. If I have a subjective
perspective, it is easy to assume that other people also do, and if
I think about what it would it be like in their position, I will
eventually discover the Golden Rule. Morality is not necessarily
a gift from heavens, in fact, it may be a product of evolution.
Perhaps we are aware of ourselves because a sense of identity
is helpful, allows us to play the roles of others and make us respect
others who seem to have identity, too.
Bill, have you ever read Aristotle? Try his Ethica Nikomakhea (sp.)
for starters.
: How then can an atheist judge value? What is the basis for criticizing
: the values ennumerated in the Bible or the purposes imputed to God? On
: what grounds can the the behavior of the reliogious be condemned? It
: seems that, in judging the values that motivate others to action, you
: have to have some standard against which conduct is measured, but what
: in nature can serve that purpose? What law of nature can you invoke to
: establish your values.
C.S. Lewis tells us that this argument was the main reason why
he abandoned his atheism and became Christian. The argument is
severely flawed.
Some values, such as the Golden Rule, can have a rational basis. Some
others, like the basic idea of wanting to live, has probably its
roots in the way our brains are wired. Lewis ignored the very real
possiblity that natural selection could also favour altruistic
behaviour, and morality as well. Indeed, as humans evolved better
and better in building and using tools, they also became better
at killing each other. It is a logical necessity that evolution could
only favour those who knew how to use tools, but not against one's
own people.
The Bible reveals quite nicely that the morality of the early Jews
was not beyond this. A simple set of rules to hold the people
together, under one god. Their god did not care much about people
of other nations.
At the time of the NT, things were quite different - the Jews
were under rule of an _empire_, and could no longer simply ignore
the Gentiles. A new situation required a new morality, and along
with it a new religion was born. (A mutation in a meme pool.)
: Since every event is entirely and exclusively a physical event, what
: difference could it possibly make what -anyone- does, religious or
: otherwise, there can be no -meaning- or gradation of value. The only
: way an atheist can object to -any- behaviour is to admit that the
: objection is entirely subjective and that he(she) just doesn't like it
: - that's it. Any value judgement must be prefaced by the disclaimer
: that it is nothing more than a matter of personal opinion and carries
: no weight in any "absolute" sense.
It looks like you haven't bothered to read philosophy. Whenever there
is an observer, there is a subjective point of view, which may
value its existence and happiness (even if that were just a result
of some physical event), and other's happiness, too, if the observer
comes to think about it. In an absolutely objective sense, that is,
without any observers or subjects, moral judgments lose their
meaning.
It is not possible for a value to simply exist without a point of
view. This includes gods, too, their values are only _their_
personal judgments, not absolute truths, since such truths
do not exist.
The fact that most people do not deliberately want to hurt others
is a manifestation of the way we have fought for our existence
by becoming social beings who can think and value others'
existence.
Morality is not property of humans alone - chimps, dolphins and
many other species show great care for each other. Dolphins have
sometimes saved humans from drowning, a good deed indeed.
: That you don't like what God told people to do says nothing about God
: or God's commands, it says only that there was an electrical event in your
: nervous system that created an emotional state that your mind coupled
: with a pre-existing thought-set to form that reaction. That your
: objections -seem- well founded is due to the way you've been
: conditioned; there is no "truth" content. The whole of your
: intellectual landscape is an illusion, a virtual reality.
The last statement does not logically follow. In fact, there is
every reason to believe our thoughts can model reality very
well, and our senses can convey reliable information. Solipsism
is still a logical possibility, but not a very likely one.
You are continuously mixing two different views: the subjective
point of view (which we all share) and an objective point of view,
_which does not exist_. Any observer or thinker, any personal being,
has its own point of view. It does not matter whether this point
of view is a result of some physical events or not, it does not
cease to be subjective.
From a non-observers non-point of view, values do not exist. Neither
does pain, or pleasure, or beauty, or love. Such things are
inherently subjective.
Once again, if god wants wives to submit to their husbands, or even
to make a leap of faith into the unknown, or wants to punish us if
we don't, I disagree with his morals. I do not think my morals come
from any supreme being - to remove my morals means the same than
to make me a zombie, a machine without a single thought. If god
gave us morality to judge, but I disagree with him, it is not my
fault. He is free to replace my morals. I cannot see what is the
point of giving someone a moral system which disagrees with one's
own and then to get mad at this.
God must be schizophrenic.
: All of this being so, you have excluded
: yourself from any discussion of values, right, wrong, goood, evil,
: etc. and cannot participate. Your opinion about the Bible can have no
: weight whatsoever.
Neither can the opinion of any god, for that matter. I cannot understand
why a subjective opinion of a thing made of matter is in any way
less credible than an opinion of a thing made of something else.
Bill, take note: Absolute values must be independent of _any_ being,
_including_ gods. If god has a subjective viewpoint, it is his
own point of view, and his morals are his own.
Petri
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| 0alt.atheism |
In article <1993Apr25.222120.3411@Virginia.EDU> ab4z@Virginia.EDU ("Andi Beyer") writes:
>waldo@cybernet.cse.fau.edu writes:
>> ALL Jews suffered during WWII, not just our beloved who perished or were
>> tortured. We ALL suffered.
> All humans suffered emotionally, some Jews and many
>others suffered physically.
I'm just waiting for Andi to tell us that African Americans should
start paying compensation to White Americans who "suffered" from being
slave owners.
--
Jake Livni jake@bony1.bony.com Ten years from now, George Bush will
American-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the
My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President.
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea) writes:
>The Royals are darkness. They are the void of our time.
>When they play, shame descends upon the land like a cold front
>from Canada. They are a humiliation to all who have lived and
>all who shall ever live. They are utterly and completely
>doomed.
>Other than that, I guess they're OK.
You must not be old enough to remember the A's in KC!
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| 9rec.sport.baseball |
> > The electricy consumption will go down if you turn them off overnight,
> > along with heat.
>
> I wonder how hard it would be (i.e. what it would add to the cost)
> to design desktop machines with a power saver feature built in which would
> reduce power consumption automatically if the machine is idle for more than
> some amount of time.
Apple and several other manufacturers have already committed to a monitor
design that does just that. It was announced along with the new
administration's efforts to cut waste and fuel consumption. I know that
in the buildings where I work, gigawatts are wasted by unused, always-on
machines and monitors.
-Kelley-
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| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
Sci med people:
Can I sell my TENS unit or does it have to be sold by a physician or
other liscened person?
Doug
opdbs@vm.cc.latech.edu
| 13sci.med |
In <Z2442B4w164w@cellar.org> tsa@cellar.org (The Silent Assassin) writes:
>> I'm building a CAD package and need a 3D graphics library that can handle
>> some rudimentry tasks, such as hidden line removal, shading, animation, etc.
>>
>> Can you please offer some recommendations?
I think APDA has something called MacWireFrame which is a full
wire-frame (and supposedly hidden-line removal) library.
I think it weighs in at $99 (but I've been wrong on an order
of magnitude before)
>Libertarian, atheist, semi-anarchal Techno-Rat.
I can relate to that
/h+
--
-- Jon W{tte, h+@nada.kth.se, Mac Hacker Deluxe --
"On a clear disc, you can seek forever."
| 1comp.graphics |
DN> I think I took on this 'liar, lunatic, or the real thing'
DN> the last time. Or was it the time before? Anyway, let
DN> somebody else have a turn. I can't debate it with a
DN> straight face. Or perhaps for something completely
DN> different we could just ridicule him or gather up all the
DN> posts from the last two times we did this and email them to
DN> him. As an aside, can you believe that somebody actually
DN> got a book published about this? Must have been a vanity
DN> press.
I would recomend to anyone out there to visit your local Christian bookstore
and become aware of the stuff they sell. Quite
interesting. Most of the stuff is far from intelectual. (About the level of
Chick pamphelets...) If it is a common fundie bookstore, it should have at
least one section about how you should hate Wiccans, Pagans, Catholics,
Mormons, rock musicians, and anyone else who is not as fanatical as them.
(Hate for the "Love of God(tm)"!) It is even more interesting watching the
people who frequent such places. Very scary people. They hear voices from
"God" telling them whatever they want to hear. (If they were not Christians,
most of them would be locked away. Maybe this is why Federal money was
reduced to Mental institutions by the reagan administration... Had to get
their religious leaders out...)
"Where would Christianity be if Jesus got eight to fifteen years, with time
off for good behavior?"
New York State Senator James H. Donovan on Capitol Punishment
Alan
- "Beware! To touch these wires is instant death! Anyone found doing
- this will be prosecuted!
| 0alt.atheism |
For a very long time I've had a problem with feeling really awful
when I try to get up in the morning. My sleep latency at night is also
pretty long, ranging from 30 min to an hour. I get about 7 hours of
bedtime (maybe 6 of actual sleep) a night and more on the weekends. I
will spend two or three hours laying in bed after this if I can, because
I feel so tired when I wake up, even more tired than I was when I
went to bed, which is usually too tired to work.
Anyway, I recently had a really bad flu, so I called a friend to
get me some cough syrup with both an expectorant and a nasal decongestant;
but he got Vicks formula 44M which has everything but an expectorant. So
I used that anyway, and the three nights I used it, I fell asleep rapidly
and felt that I got really good quality sleep -- that is, I actually
felt refreshed the next morning.
So, I am now trying to look into, both in the literature and
experimentally, the use of antihistamines as sleep aids, since I am
presuming that it was the antihistamine that caused the effect. The
antihistamine in Vicks formula 44 is Chloriphenamine maleate, so I bought
some generic tablets of that, and tried one last night and didn't
notice any improvement. I might try one with a little alcohol (about
1 beer) to see if it is a synergism effect. Also, library research
seems to show that Benadryl is the antihistamine with the strongest
sedative effect of what is availible OTC. So I might also buy a generic
form of that and try that; the PDR seems to suggest that 50 mg is a good
dosage level to try.
For other medical information, I have allergies but rarely have
an allergic reaction living in New Mexico. I also have chronically dry
eyes, which get horrible if I try to use most underarm deoderants. I did
guess that my problem might be caused by hypoglycemia, so I made some
changes in my diet consistent with that, and it didn't help, so I
went back to a normal diet (Pretty diverse, also taking vitamin supplements)
Anyway, I am looking for advice for the use of
antihistamines as sleep aids, and if there are any dangers of such use
(Seems safe to me since they are used chronically for allergies by
millions). I don't want to try BZs, because BZ addiction seems to be
a serious threat, and from what I hear, BZ sleep quality is not good,
whereas antihistamine sleep quality seems to be better for me. I have
tried some dietary tryptophan loading stuff, and that also seems to
lower sleep quality, I seem to wake up around 4:00 or so and be in some
kind of mental haze until 7:00 or 8:00. Also, I would be interested in
any other advice for helping my problem. (Although I've already tried
many of the non-pharmacological solutions)
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| 6misc.forsale |
Mr DeCenso, in spite of requiring Scholarly opinion on the hanging of Judas,
rejects that the scholarly opinion of the those scholars and then rephrases
those scholars opinion on the subject:
> ...we do know from Matthew that he did hang himself and Acts probably records
> his death. Although it's possible and plausible that he fell from the hanging
> and hit some rocks, thereby bursting open, I can no longer assume that to be
> the case. Therefore, no contradiction. Matthew did not say Judas died as a
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> result of the hanging, did he? Most scholars believe he iprobably did, but..?
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> I quoted all that to show that I highly regard the scholars' explanations, but
> in looking at the texts initially, we can't assume Judas died. It is,
> however, highly probable. ^^^^^^
and
> Also, there is nothing in the Greek to suggest success or failure. It simply
> means "hang oneself".
Actually, if you do further research as to the Greek word "apacgw," you will
find that it does denote success. Those scholars did indeed have an excellent
reason to assume that the suicide was successful. As I pointed out, I
recently checked several Lexicons:
"Greek English Lexicon of the New Testament," Louw and Nida
"Robinson's Greek and English Lexicon of the New Testament"
"Greek English Lexicon of the New Testament," Grimm
"Word study Concordance," Tynsdale
"A Greek English Lexicon of the New Testament and other
early Christian Writings," Bauer-Arndt-Gingrich
"The New Analytical Greek Lexicon," Perschbacher
A couple simply stated "hanged oneself", and a couple were more explicit
and stated that "apacgw" means specifically "kill yourself by hanging." A
couple also noted that the meaning of one the root words for "apacgw" is
"strangle, throttle or choke" (which pretty much invalidates the guy who
suggested to David Joslin that Judas was hung upside down). One of the best
references though, "Robinson's Greek and English Lexicon of the New
Testament," not only stated the translation, it gave both the root words, the
literal translation, related greek words which use the same roots, and also
other presented specific examples of the word in greek literature (to give
further context).
The word "apagchw" has two root words: "gchw" is the "to strangle" root, and
the root word "apo" means literally "away." This root words is included in
words which denote a transition. It can mean a transition in place (eg: the
greek word "apagello" means to send a message). "Apo" can also denote a
change in state and specifically the change from life to death. Robinson
specifically makes comparison to the word "apokteiuo," which means "to kill."
In literal meaning the word "apacgw" means "to throttle, strangle to put out
of the way," and implicitly denotes a change in life state (ie: away from
life, to death). So while the word "apacgw" does mean "to hang," it
specifically denotes a death as well. Thus Robinson is quite specific when he
state that it means "to hang oneself, to end one's life by hanging." He then
notes the the use of "apacgw" in Homers Odessy 19:230 to denote context. He
presents that example of "apacgw" as being used to explicitly mean "suicide by
hanging." Now since there is a perfectly good word for strangling, without the
added denotation of "death," and as you insist that the Bible was written by
God, and every word is precicely correct, you are stuck with the complete
meaning of "apacgw" (ie: Since the word "apacgw" was used, then death is
denoted as the result).
By the way, I note that Mr DeCenso also presents an example of "apacgw":
> In the Septuagint (the Greek translation of the OT used at the time of Jesus),
> it's only used in 2 Samuel 17:23 : "Now when Ahithophel saw that his advice
> was not followed, he saddled a donkey, and arose and went home to his house,
> to his city. Then he put his household in order, and hanged himself, and
> died; and he was buried in his father's tomb." ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> ^^^^
> Notice that not only is it stated that Ahithophel "hanged himself" [Gr. Sept.,
> APAGCHO], but it explicitly adds, "and died". Here we have no doubt of the
> result.
> In Matthew, we are not explicitly told Judas died.
Note Mr DeCenso, as you say, the Septuagint was a translation from Hebrew to
Greek, and you have not shown the original meaning of the Hebrew (ie" the the
Hebrew say "and died"), and thus whether it was simply echoed in the Greek.
It should also be pointed out that, regardless of the added "and died", the
correct translation would still be "apacgw," as the man did indeed die from
strangulation (redundant, but correct). Further, we have evidence that the
Septuagint was repeatedly rewritten and reedited (which included versions
which contradicted each other), and such editing was not even necessarily
executed by Greeks. Thus I am not sure that you can use the Septuagint as it
now stands, as a paragon of ancient greek. So, what you really need to prove
your point Mr DeCenso, is an example, in ancient greek, of someone committing
"apacgw" and surviving. Otherwise I would see you as simply making worthless
assertions without corresponding evidence.
Now I would note Mr DeCenso, that everytime I go out of my way to research it
one of your apparently contrived exegisis, I pretty much find it false. Thus,
I think that if you are going to add to the text, something over and above
what the source clearly says, then you had better have an explicit Greek or
historical source to justify it.
By the way, as to Mr Rose's statement about trees around the Potter's Field:
> There are still trees around the ledges and a rocky pavement at the bottom.
Unless Mr Rose can show that these trees are two thousand years old, or that
there are 2000 year old stumps there, or has a 2 thousand year old description
of the area which mentions such trees, then it is inappropriate for him to
assert that the present placement of trees prove the location of the trees two
thousand years ago (after all, things change).
Now as to your other argument, ie: that the money Judas used is not the same
as the 30 silvers:
> As to your second question Mr DeCenso, you ask how we could be sure that the
> money with which Judas purchased the land, was indeed for the betrayal, rather
> than some other source. I would point out that in Acts, where it specifically
> mention "the reward of iniquity" [Acts 1:18], it also specifically mentions
> what act of iniquity they were talking about (ie: Acts 1:16 "...concerning
> Judas who was guide to those who arrested Jesus."). Now I would point out
> that when the Bible describes an act of "iniquity," and then immediately
> discusses "*the* reward of iniquity," it would be rather inane to suggest that
> it was an action of iniquity other than the one discussed."
>
>
> Notice that in verse 16, the word "iniquity" is not used. Rather, it states
> that Judas "became a guide to those who arrested Jesus".
> But the writer DID NOT stop there...vs. 17, "for he was numbered with us and
> obtained a part in this ministry." What part did Judas play in their ministry?
> ^^^^^^
True, Peter (or the author of Acts) does not specifically call Judas' betrayal
"an iniquity," but for that matter, neither does John specifically call Judas'
actions "an iniquity" either. Further John 13:29 did not say that Judas took
the money box, but rather said:
"Some thought that because, Judas had the money box, Jesus was telling
him "Buy what we need for the feast"; or that he should give something
to the poor, So after receiving the morsel he immediately went out, and
it was night."
Note that it is said that Judas left, it does not say that he took the money
box. Thus when I see your explanation it still seems to me you would choose
the a an unproven iniquity, mentioned by another author, in a different
book, written at a different time, over the iniquity explicitly mentioned by
the author of acts. I find this forced and contrived.
Of course this particular argument becomes moot, since we have have seen
evidence that "apacgw" means suicide. You see, since Judas' hanging was
successful, he could not have spent the money mentioned in John 13:29, because
Matthew and Mark explicitly say the betrayal was on the high holy day (ie:
Passover), and thus he could not have spent the money before killing himself
the next day. Thus the money which bought the "Field of Blood" would have to
have been the 30 pieces of silver (Of course he got the 30 pieces of silver
that night as well, and thus couldn't have spent that either. Oh dear, I
believe that the house of cards is comming down).
Maybe we should at this point, discuss now whether Jesus was crucified on
Friday or Saturday as that is now part of the argument about Judas.
By the way, as to where the prophesy of the Potter's field came from (ie: the
mention of it in Matthew), you say:
> Please, when we are done with this study on his death, remind me to discuss
> this with you.
I am reminding you now to discuss it now. It's all part of the same verse we
are discussing, and I wish you would quit procrastinating and sidestepping
these issues.
Later,
Dave Butler
A wise man proportions his belief to the evidence.
David Hume, Philosopher
An Inquiry Concerning Human Understanding
PS. I would note again, that you are not stating that that Bible
is not possibly inerrant; you are stating that it *IS* inerrant.
Since you have been, by your own admission, presenting merely "possible"
reconciliations (I of course don't rate them that highly), then the
best you can do is say that the Bible is "possibly" inerrant, not that
it *is* inerrant.
| 19talk.religion.misc |
fombaron@ufrima.imag.fr (FOMBARON marc) writes:
>Is there a more recent version of umbdr522.zip because it doesn't
>work on my machine.
>My motherboard has Symphony SL82C362 chips and they say it will be
>supported in the later versions, so is it out ?
>Thank you for helping.
>Marc.
The last I heard, the author was having some problems in his immediate
family and had delayed the continuation of development for a time.
This was some months ago.
It's a shame. The driver is the best memory manager I have found
ANYWHERE. It doesn't require V8086 mode (like QEMM) so it works with
Ultima 7. It doesn't take ANY memory (runs, then exits).
If only the EMM provider were a little faster and more stable.
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creek-tm@aza.csc.ncsu.edu \ Even I won't claim them. / are here
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#include "std_funny_stuff.h" /* This is where I include some witty tripe */
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
In Space Digest V16 #487,
hathaway@stsci.edu writes:
...about the protests over proposals to put a giant billboard into orbit,
>I'd like to add that some of the "protests" do not come from a strictly
>practical consideration of what pollution levels are acceptable for research
>activities by professional astronomers. Some of what I would complain about
>is rooted in aesthetics.
>Regards,
>Wm. Hathaway
>Baltimore MD
Mr. Hathaway's post is right on the money, if a little lengthy. In short,
an orbiting billboard would be trash, in the same way that a billboard on
the Earth is trash. Billboards make a place look trashy. That is why there
are laws in many places prohibiting their use. The light pollution
complaints are mainly an attempt to find some tangible reason to be against
orbiting billboards because people don't feel morally justified to complain
on the grounds that these things would defile the beauty of the sky.
Regular orbiting spacecraft are not the same in this respect, since they are
more like abstract entities, but a billboard in space would be like a beer
can somebody had thrown on the side of the road: just trash.
_____________
Dale M. Greer, whose opinions are not to be confused with those of
The Center for Space Sciences, University of Texas at Dallas
UTSPAN::UTADNX::UTDSSA::GREER or greer@utdcss.utdallas.edu
"Let machines multiply, doing the work of many,
But let the people have no use for them." - Lao Tzu
| 14sci.space |
Adam Shostack writes:
> Sam Zbib writes
>>I'm surprised that you don't consider the acquisition of land by
>>the Jews from arabs, for the purpose of establishing an exclusive
>>state, as a hostile action leading to war.
> It was for the purpose of establishing a state, not an
> exclusive state. If the state was to be exclusive, it would not have
> 400 000 arab citizens.
Could you please tell me what was the ethnic composition of
Israel right after it was formed.
> And no, I do not consider the purchase of land a hostile
> action. When someone wants to buy land, and someone else is willing
> to sell it, at a mutually agreeable price, then that is commerce. It
> is not a hostile action leading to war.
No one in his right mind would sell his freedom and dignity.
Palestinians are no exception. Perhaps you heard about
anti-trust in the business world.
Since we are debating the legality of a commercial
transaction, we must use the laws governing the guidelines
and ethics of such transactions. Basic ANTI-TRUST law says
that, while you can purchase IBM stocks for the purpose of
investing, you can not acquire a large number of those
shares with the intent or controlling IBM. You can do so
only if you make your intentions CLEAR apriori . Clearly,
the Jews who purchased properties from palastenians had some
designs, they were not buying a dwelling or a real estate.
They were establishing a bridgehead for the European Jews.
The palastenians sold their properties to the Jews in the
old tradition of arab hospitality. Being a multi-ethnic /
multi-religious society, accepting the jews as neighbours
was no different, just another religion. Plus they paid fair
market value, etc... They did not know they were victims of
an international conspiracy. (I'm not a conspiracy theorist
myself, but this one is hard to dismiss).
>>As to whether the Jews wanted to live in peace, maybe.
>>However they wanted and still want an exclusively Jewish
>>state, where Jews are in control and Jews are the masters of
>>the land. Living in peace is meaningless unless it means
>>living *WITH* someone else, as equal. For a native arab, this
>>does not leave many options.
> Oh, you mean like both Jews and Arabs being citizens? The
>arabs who stayed are now citizens, with as much right to choose who
>they vote for as the Jews.
Again Adam, the devil is in the details. I don't want to get
on a tangent here but its the same reasonning that says its
OK to return 100 deportes and leave the rest. Because 100 is
a nice number that you can devide by 10, 100 and besides, it
has an integer square root.
>>Those palestinians who stayed, actually stayed despite of what
>>happened, and their number was somewhat tolerated as a defenseless
>>and ineffective minority.
>>If I were wrong, you'd have Israel recall all the
>>palestinian refugees (we're talking millions). After all,
>>they are civilians.
> Huh? The people who left, did so voluntarily. There is no
>reason for Israel to let them in.
Do you actually believe this? My experience tells me that
every palestinian I knew still keeps the key to his home, in
Palestine. Besides they often refer to their exodus as an
escape from hell (so to speak). I know none that agrees with
you. Did you sample their opinions? I know you don't care,
just being rethorical.
>>Israel gave citizenship to the remaining arabs because it
>>had to maintain a democratic facade (to keep the western aid
>>flowing).
> Israel got no western aid in 1948, nor in 1949 or 50...It
>still granted citizenship to those arabs who remained. And how
>is granting citizenship a facade?
Don't get me wrong. I beleive that Israel is democratic
within the constraints of one dominant ethnic group (Jews).
Israel probably had a few options after 1948: ethnic
cleansing Serbian style, and deserve the wrath of the
international community, or make the best out of a no win
condition: show the world how good Israel is towards the
'bad' arabs. Personaly, I've never heard anything about the
arab community in Isreal. Except that they're there. So
yes, they're there. But as a community with history and
roots, its dead.
>> Tell me something, Sam. What makes land "arab?"
>How shall I explain, Its a contract between the man and the
>land. Control isn't it. The Ottomans ruled 400 years, and
>then left with barely a trace. The concept of Land identity
>is somewhat foreign to the mobile and pragmatic West. It is
>partly the concept of 'le sol natal', native soil. I know
>that jews had previous history in the region, but none in
>recent memory. I'm talking everyday life not archeology.
> Try again, you tell me what its isn't, but you fail to
> establish what it is.
> Also, Jews did have history in Israel for over a thousand
>years. There were lots of Jews slaughtered by Crusaders in Israel.
>There was a thriving community in Gaza city from roughly 1200-1500.
>Jews were a majority in Jerusalem from 1870 or so onwards. Does that
>make the land Jewish?
I stand corrected. I meant that the jewish culture was not
predominant in Palestine in recent history. I have no
problem with Jerusalem having a jewish character if it were
predominantly Jewish. So there. what to make of the rest
Palestine?
> Adam Shostack adam@das.harvard.edu
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| 17talk.politics.mideast |
-> Does that mean that they're gonna bring back the Biscayne and Bel
-> Air?
Or how about the 210?
george.howell%goucher@wb3ffv.ampr.org
George
| 7rec.autos |
I also suffer from these video "artefacts". My configuration is a
Centris 610, 4/160, 1MB VRAM with a NEC 4FG. It only happens at
832x624, in 8bit colour with virtual memory off during scrolling. This
occurs when the VRAM SIMMS are installed as well as removed.
It seems that the 610 does not like 832x624.
Does anyone *not* have these problems in the above mentioned
conditions?
-Gersham Meharg
SFU Canada.
--
Gersham Meharg : meharg@sfu.ca : SFU-Vancouver-Canada
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
d88-jwa@hemul.nada.kth.se (Jon Wtte) writes ...
>But the interesting comparision is how fast clock-cycle chips
>you can get - an Alpha is WAY slow at 66 MHz, but blazes at
>200 MHz.
The only problem is going to be finding someone who can make a 200MHz
computer system. Could be tough.
--
Ray Fischer "Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth
ray@netcom.com than lies." -- Friedrich Nietzsche
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
In article <C5JCCG.3Bn@tsoft.net> you write:
>[stuff deleted]
>
>My company maintains a 20,000+ mailing list which is regularly rented for
^^^^^^^^^^
>one time use by the major software companies. The method you are using to
>"seed" your junk mail, isn't really effective. Bulk mailers regulary
>either send their databases to be "cleaned" by the NCOA, which if you've
>moved recently, will revert back to the original "xxx Cool", and in large
>mailings, there will likely be a dupe of you, and they'll pick the first, and use the
>others for future mailings.
>
>BTW, our list is currently one of the hottest lists for actual buyers of
>a MS Windows utility product in the $100 range, and is available through
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Direct Media in CT., at $0.10 per name. Please let your direct mail
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ !!!!!!^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>marketing rep. know about this.. Thanks.
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>TEd
It is my impression that net etiquette does not allow companies to
use the net to directly advertise their products.
In addition to improper etiquette, this product is a mailing list
used for generating junk mail.
Am I correct in assuming this is improper, and if so, what can be
done to penalize such an improper use?
Dale Thompson
| 6misc.forsale |
wquinnan@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Malcusco) writes:
>Especially as we approach a time when Scientists are trying to match God's
>ability to create life, we should use the utmost caution.
I question the implications of this statement; namely, that there are certain
physical acts which are limited to God and that attempting to replicate these
acts is blasphemy against God. God caused a bush to burn without being
consumed--if I do the same thing, am I usurping God's role?
Religious people are threatened by science because it has been systematically
removing the physical "proofs" of God's existence. As time goes on we have to
rely more and more on faith and the spiritual world to relate to God becuase
science is removing our props. I don't think this is a bad thing.
Alan Terlep "Incestuous vituperousness"
Oakland University, Rochester, MI
atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu --Melissa Eggertsen
Rushing in where angels fear to tread.
| 15soc.religion.christian |
Don't know who scored, but the Isles (28-7 franchise record in
playoff OT games) took game four by a score of 4-3 for their
third consecutive OT win over the Capitals tonight at Uniondale.
If you know, please post who scored for a Isles fan living in
Atlanta:Hockey Hell.
Lord Stan's a Uniondale Man! GO ISLES!
JSM.
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
In article <1993Apr26.163627.11364@csrd.uiuc.edu> g-skinner@uiuc.edu writes:
#I find myself unable to put these two statements together in a
#sensible way:
#
#>Abortion is done because the mother can not afford the *pregnancy*.
#
#[...]
#
#>If we refused to pay for the more expensive choice of birth, *then*
#>your statement would make sense. But that is not the case, so it doesn't.
#
#Are we paying for the birth or not, Mr. Parker? If so, why can't the
#mother afford the pregnancy? If not, what is the meaning of the
#latter objection? You can't have it both ways.
Birth != pregnancy. If they were the same, the topic of abortion would
hardly arise, would it, Mr. Skinner?
--
Frank O'Dwyer 'I'm not hatching That'
odwyer@sse.ie from "Hens", by Evelyn Conlon
| 19talk.religion.misc |
My boss is considering the purchase of a Powerbook or Duo. He is leaning
towards a 180, because of the math coprocessor (for Mathematica), but would
get a Duo if he could find a Mini-Dock with a coprocessor. Have any
third-parties announced such a beast?
--
Alan A. DeGuzman "Genius is never understood in it's own time."
Calculus&Mathematica
DISCLAIMER: "The University - Calvin to Hobbes from
can't afford my opinions." 'The Indispensible Calvin and Hobbes'
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
In article <C5w7GF.M5o@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade) writes:
>if you want to annoy geico, call them up...give fake name...but real car
>specs..get a quote and then tell them they are more expensive than your
>current state farm/allstate insurance. they will still send you quote etc.
>then you can tear up their quote and stuff it in the prepaid return
>envelope and mail it back to them. actually they were $12 more than my current
>state farm rates.
Actually, I've had a bad habit of stuffing a whole bunch of other garbage
junk mail in along with whatever else into *anybody's* prepaid envelopes
until they almost burst. I believe they pay postage by weight.
heh, heh, heh...
Anyways, don't tear up the quotes just yet...I sometimes use their
quotes or other insurance quotations as leverage to haggle for a
lower rate elsewhere. Usually it works to *your* advantage if
they are lower.
aaron
| 7rec.autos |
In <gmichael.28.736186695@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu> gmichael@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu (Gary R. Michael) writes:
>Can anyone tell me where to find a standard VESA display driver that will
>support the on-the-motherboard XGA video of a 486 50Mz DX2 IBM Model 95
>(8595-0LF)? I need to use 640 x 480 and higher resolutions under both
>Windows 3.1 and MS-DOS. Minimum colors 256 at highest resolution, with 64K
>colors needed at 640 x 480.
The IBM XGA SVGA VESA driver is on the 2.02 reference diskette, available
from the IBM BBS. It's also on Compu$erve, or you can bang on your sales
rep to get you a later version.
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IBM XGA Development | they'd make me wear a suit if I were to speak for IBM.
Boca Raton, FL | "The use of unnecessary violence in the apprehension
kaul@vnet.ibm.com | of the Blues Brothers has been approved."
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
Michael Trofimoff (tron@fafnir.la.locus.com) wrote:
: Hi All,
: Would anyone out there in 'net-land' happen to have an
: authentic, sure-fire way of making this great sauce that
: is used to adorn Gyro's and Souvlaki?
: Thanks,
I have a receipe at home that was posted to me by one of our fellow
netters about a month ago. I am recalling this from memory but
I think I'm fairly close (by the way it was GREAT!)
1 pint of plain yogurt
1/2 med. sized cucumber finely shredded
3 cloves of garlic (more or less by taste)
1/4 tsp dill weed
The yogurt is dumped into a strainer lined with a coffee
filter and allowed to drain at least 2 hours (you can
adjust the consistancy of the sauce by increasing this time
up to 24 hours)
The shredded cuc is drained the same way
Mix it all together and let it steep for at least
2 hours (it's better the next day) and enjoy!
Steve
| 13sci.med |
jhan@debra.dgbt.doc.ca (Jerry Han) writes:
> Somebody asked me what was wrong about overreacting in cases such as this.
That was probably me.
I meant only that nobody has overreacted yet. It seemed to me that
Jerry was suggesting that people are currently overreacting, and I
vehemently disagree. I see a lot of talk, but not much action.
I see now that I misunderstood Jerry's position.
> The reason is very simple: How many people do you want to die in a riot?
> In a new Civil War?
>
> Everybody is jumping up and down and screaming about it, and I'm worried
> that people are going to reach for their hammers and rifles before their pens
> and paper.
Not this bunch. They'll just bitch on the Net for a while, and
then go back to lurking.
> Can people work within the system before trying to break it? Examine your
> history books, and find out how many armed revolutions led to Democratic
> (or Democratic style) governments. I think you'll only find one in over
> five thousand years of written history.
Actually, it's not quite that bad, but it's close.
Look, we (collectively) have the power to throw the bums out, but we
don't use it. We clearly don't need to go burning things down, but we
clearly do need to throw at least some of the bums out.
Unfortunately, the bums have learned to target only small groups of
people at a single time, so the masses won't react and throw them out.
Eventually, the masses will react, unless the bums cease their
relentless encroachment on liberty and despoilment of the economy.
The sooner it happens, the less the damages will be. I don't want to
live in a war zone, either -- I want to see the bums thrown out before
they do some *real* damage.
Lyle Transarc 707 Grant Street
412 338 4474 The Gulf Tower Pittsburgh 15219
| 11sci.crypt |
Well, the Opel deal fell through...
Now i'm looking at a Datsun 240Z for sale in our local buy&sell. Any
previous owners have any experience with these cars? Besides looking
for rust,good compression,low miles, and all the other usual car
things one looks for, is there anything special about these cars that
I should watch out for?
How about things like handling,performance,mileage,etc. These cars
look hot, to my eyes at least, and bear more than a passing
resemblance to the Aston Martin DB4 Zagato(sp?), which has to be one
of the most beatiful cars ever made.
What is the difference between 240Z, 260Z, 280Z? The 280ZX is rather
unappealing IMHO, but the other cars are decent.
Thanks again...
Darren Gibbons
gibbonsa@sfu.ca
| 7rec.autos |
I am auctioning off the following comics. These minimum bids are set
below what I would normally sell them for. Make an offer, and I will
accept the highest bid after the auction has been completed.
TITLE Minimum/Current
--------------------------------------------------------------
Alpha Flight 51 (Jim Lee's first work at Marvel) $ 5.00
Aliens 1 (1st app Aliens in comics, 1st prnt, May 1988) $20.00
Amazing Spider-Man 136 (Intro new Green Goblin) $20.00
Amazing Spider-Man 238 (1st appearance Hobgoblin) $50.00
Archer and Armstrong 1 (Frank Miller/Smith/Layton) $ 7.50
Avengers 263 (1st appearance X-factor) $ 3.50
Bloodshot 1 (Chromium cover, BWSmith Cover/Poster) $ 5.00
Daredevil 158 (Frank Miller art begins) $35.00
Dark Horse Presents 1 (1st app Concrete, 1st printing) $ 7.50
H.A.R.D. Corps 1 $ 5.00
Incredible Hulk 324 (1st app Grey Hulk since #1, 1962) $ 7.50
Incredible Hulk 330 (1st McFarlane issue) $15.00
Incredible Hulk 331 (Grey Hulk series begins) $11.20
Incredible Hulk 367 (1st Dale Keown art in Hulk) $15.00
Incredible Hulk 377 (1st all new hulk, 1st prnt, Keown) $15.00
Marvel Comics Presents 1 (Wolverine, Silver Surfer) $ 7.50
Maxx Limited Ashcan (4000 copies exist, blue cover) $30.00
New Mutants 86 (McFarlane cover, 1st app Cable - cameo) $10.00
New Mutants 100 (1st app X-Force) $ 5.00
New Mutants Annual 5 (1st Liefeld art on New Mutants) $10.00
Omega Men 3 (1st appearance Lobo) $ 7.50
Omega Men 10 (1st full Lobo story) $ 7.50
Power Man & Iron Fist 78 (3rd appearance Sabretooth) $25.00
84 (4th appearance Sabretooth) $20.00
Simpsons Comics and Stories 1 (Polybagged special ed.) $ 7.50
Spectacular Spider-Man 147 (1st app New Hobgoblin) $12.50
Star Trek the Next Generation 1 (Feb 1988, DC mini) $ 7.50
Star Trek the Next Generation 1 (Oct 1989, DC comics) $ 7.50
Web of Spider-Man 29 (Hobgoblin, Wolverine appear) $10.00
Web of Spider-Man 30 (Origin Rose, Hobgoblin appears) $ 7.50
Wolverine 10 (Before claws, 1st battle with Sabretooth) $15.00
Wolverine 41 (Sabretooth claims to be Wolverine's dad) $ 5.00
Wolverine 42 (Sabretooth proven not to be his dad) $ 3.50
Wolverine 43 (Sabretooth/Wolverine saga concludes) $ 3.00
Wolverine 1 (1982 mini-series, Miller art) $20.00
Wonder Woman 267 (Return of Animal Man) $12.50
X-Force 1 (Signed by Liefeld, Bagged, X-Force card) $20.00
X-Force 1 (Signed by Liefeld, Bagged, Shatterstar card) $10.00
X-Force 1 (Signed by Liefeld, Bagged, Deadpool card) $10.00
X-Force 1 (Signed by Liefeld, Bagged, Sunspot/Gideon) $10.00
All comics are in near mint to mint condition, are bagged in shiny
polypropylene bags, and backed with white acid free boards. Shipping is
$1.50 for one book, $3.00 for more than one book, or free if you order
a large enough amount of stuff. I am willing to haggle.
I have thousands and thousands of other comics, so please let me know what
you've been looking for, and maybe I can help. Some titles I have posted
here don't list every issue I have of that title, I tried to save space.
--
Geoffrey R. Mason | jrm@elm.circa.ufl.edu
Department of Psychology | mason@webb.psych.ufl.edu
University of Florida | prothan@maple.circa.ufl.edu
| 6misc.forsale |
In article <1993Apr19.144427.17399@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>, kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov writes:
> Gene Wright (gene@theporch.raider.net) wrote:
> : Announce that a reward of $1 billion would go to the first corporation
> : who successfully keeps at least 1 person alive on the moon for a year.
> : Then you'd see some of the inexpensive but not popular technologies begin
> : to be developed. THere'd be a different kind of space race then!
>
> I'm an advocate of this idea for funding Space Station work, and I
> throw around the $1 billion figure for that "reward." I suggest that
> you increase the Lunar reward to about $3 billion.
>
> This would encourage private industry to invest in space, which
> should be one of NASA's primary goals.
>
> -- Ken Jenks, NASA/JSC/GM2, Space Shuttle Program Office
> kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov (713) 483-4368
>
> "Better. Faster. Cheaper." -- Daniel S. Goldin, NASA Administrator
Also would maybe get the Russians Involved. After all they do have the resources
to do it in part.. But they need the capital and the goal..
I wonder if renting the russians resources would be a disqualification?
==
Michael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked
| 14sci.space |
In article <C5yypo.EI2@dscomsa.desy.de>
hallam@dscomsa.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker) writes:
>In article <1993Apr22.041542.11054@a.cs.okstate.edu>, kennejs@a.cs.okstate.edu (KENNEDY JAMES SCOT) writes:
>
>|>From article <C5t9IA.6F9@dscomsa.desy.de>, by hallam@dscomsa.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker):
>|>Just what the hell do you base that ludicrous claim on? There are
>|>*plenty* of fine, decent people people who read/post to t.p.g. If
>|>any of these people are paranoid it is because of people like you.
>
>Hey dude you are making me paranoid! What an argument!!!
While I wouldn't be too terribly impressed with anybody who got
to be paranoid based on either Usenet in general or Phill Hallam-Baker's
comments in general, you'd be surprised.
For most people, if you accuse them of something long enough and
loud enough, to enough people, they start to ask why they're bothering
to fight it.
If nothing you do will be considered right, why bother to do right?
It's pretty basic human nature.
>|>I'd have a spot of tea with them. :) You probably gave up on arguing the
>|>case for arms control directly long ago because posters who *know*
>|>what they are talking about (e.g., Frank Crary) disproved all your
>|>arguments for why more gun control is needed. So, you gave up because
>|>you know they are right and you couldn't refute their answers.
>
>No, Frank Crary's arguments are based on the assumption that most people
>are sane, normal people. tpg disproves this of gun owners.
What an amazing thing. I didn't realize that over a hundred million
gun owners all posted to tpg.
Even if *all* the posts in talk.politics.guns illustrated what
you say they illustrate, it would still only reflect the written
personas (which is often different from face-to-face) of a very, very
small and select group.
Anybody who seriously generalizes any attitudes or positions on
Usenet to the general population of any country either doesn't care
about accuracy or needs to have a few realities explained to them.
>USEnet as a whole
>disproves it of humanity as a whole.
Speaking of which...
Most of the "readership" posts I've seen put the most read
newsgroups at about 160,000 readers, a number I have a feeling is
fairly inflated. The posters, rare and regular, are themseleves a
very tiny minority of that group. And the whole of Usenet readers
are themselves a very distorted sample of humanity.
If anything, the only real thing you can get out of the relative
sample of Usenet readers is that we've got too much equipment and too
much time available to us.
>We now have proof positive that guns don't make you safer. Buy a lot of
>guns and you either get shot in the no knock raid or get the FBI to burn
>down your house.
Proof that guns don't make you safer is that if you buy one the
government will show up and kill you?
Tell me, if the government took away the voting rights of
everybody who exercised their free speech, would that then be proof
that free speech squelches political activity?
You are equating two things with each other that don't.
>See even in the paranoid mindset of tpg there are good reasons
>to support gun control.
Phill, if you really believe that the various posts on
computer nets represents *either* most of the poster's in person
personalities *or* the general public's general opinions, then
I have some serious reservations about your grasp on reality.
But don't expect you really do believe that. It's simply
a convenient way to make your point, and hopefully make those
people you don't like look bad.
>Cuddles 'n kisses
>
>Phill
Have a nice day, Phill.
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PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu - "I still remember the way you laughed\
When you pushed me down the elevator shaft\ ... Sometimes I get to
thinking you don't love me anymore." - "Weird Al" Yankovic.
| 16talk.politics.guns |
In article <1993Apr5.171143.828@batman.bmd.trw.com>, jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com writes:
|> In article <2942949719.2.p00261@psilink.com>, "Robert Knowles" <p00261@psilink.com> writes:
|> >>DATE: Fri, 2 Apr 1993 23:02:22 -0500
|> >>FROM: Nanci Ann Miller <nm0w+@andrew.cmu.edu>
|> >>
|> >>
|> >>> > 3. Can god uncreate itself?
|> >>>
|> >>> No. For if He did, He would violate His own nature which He cannot do.
|> >>> It is God's nature to Exist. He is, after all, the "I AM" which is
|> >>> a statement of His inherent Existence. He is existence itself.
|> >>> Existence cannot "not-exist".
|> >>
|> >>Then, as mentioned above, he must not be very omnipotent.
|> >>
|>
|> What do you mean by omnipotent here? Do you mean by "omnipotent"
|> that God should be able to do anything/everything? This creates
|> a self-contradictory definition of omnipotence which is effectively
|> useless.
|>
|> To be descriptive, omnipotence must mean "being all-powerful" and
|> not "being able to do anything/everything".
|>
|> Let me illustrate by analogy.
|> Suppose the United States were the only nuclear power on earth. Suppose
|> further that the US military could not effectively be countered by any
|> nation or group of nations. The US has the power to go into any country
|> at any time for any reason to straighten things out as the leaders of the
|> US see fit. The US would be militarily "omnipotent".
Did you check with the Afghans before posting this? They
might disagree.
jon.
| 0alt.atheism |
From article <1r1i7mINN4n4@cronkite.cisco.com>, by kmac@cisco.com (Karl Elvis MacRae):
>
>
> I just read articals on this in Road and Track and Car and Driver
> (Is that one mag or two? =B^), and I was wondering if people out
> there have any opinions that differed from what these mags have to
> say...
>
>
> I'm looking at the following three SUV's; anyone who's driven all
> three have any strong opinions?
>
>
> Ford Explorer
> Toyota 4Runner
> Nissan Pathfinder
>
>
> Currently I'm leaning toward the Toyota, 'cause I've had big success
> with Toyota trucks in the past, and 'cause I think it's the best
> looking of the three. But I thought I'd see if anyone has any strong
> opinions....
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> -Karl
>
I agree that the Toyota is the best looking I just didn't fit plus it is the
highest cost of all the ones you mentioned. I have good friends who have all
three of the trucks you talked about, the ones with kids all went to the
ford because of the room required to carry a couple of kids and all the junk
you need. The single ones went for the Toyota and the Nissan. Every one has
been happy with what they bought. Although no one is into serious four wheel
off road driving.
>
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| 7rec.autos |
In article <1993Apr19.221331.26203@pony.Ingres.COM>, garrett@Ingres.COM writes:
> One of you said "Nixon didn't use the office of the presidency
> for personal gain."
>
> This is a lie. The Senate committee issued an indictment that listed
> Nixon's crimes. The relevant ones were:
> 1) Violating his oath of office.
> 2) ABUSING HIS PRESIDENTIAL POWERS
"Personal gain": for his own monetary advantage. I don't think
anyone would dispute that he both violated his oath of office, and
abused his powers. But that's not for personal gain.
> "Nothing is as inevitable as a mistake whose time has Garrett Johnson
--
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine!
Relations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all.
| 18talk.politics.misc |
In article <1993Apr15.163043.12770@pb2esac.uucp> prahren@pb2esac.uucp (Peter Ahrens) writes:
>In article <1095@rider.UUCP> joe@rider.cactus.org writes:
>>>vech@Ra.MsState.Edu (Craig A. Vechorik) writes:
>>>...good ol boys that have been there too long.
>>
>> [...] while I agree with you that the current
>>board is garbage, voting you in would simply be trading one form of trash
>>for another...do the opponents of your selections get equal time...?
>
>Yo' Joe, why don't you post what you really think?
>
>If there are any rational BMWMOA folks left out there, may the rest of
>us please have a brief summary of the current state of affairs in your
>esteemed organization, together with an historical outline of how you
>got to the above contretemps?
>
Now you know why I am just a DOD member. I like bikes and clubs but
the politics and other b*llsh*t is a real turn-off.
--
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| 8rec.motorcycles |
renner@adobe.com (John Renner) writes:
> In article <19930420.090030.915@almaden.ibm.com> capelli@vnet.IBM.COM (Ron Ca
> >In <ia522B1w165w@oeinck.waterland.wlink.nl> Ferdinand Oeinck writes:
> >>I'm looking for any information on detecting and/or calculating a double
> >>point and/or cusp in a bezier curve.
> >
> >See:
> > Maureen Stone and Tony DeRose,
> > "A Geometric Characterization of Parametric Cubic Curves",
> > ACM TOG, vol 8, no 3, July 1989, pp. 147-163.
>
> I've used that reference, and found that I needed to go to their
> original tech report:
>
> Maureen Stone and Tony DeRose,
> "Characterizing Cubic Bezier Curves"
> Xerox EDL-88-8, December 1988
>
First, thanks to all who replied to my original question.
I've implemented the ideas from the article above and I'm very satisfied
with the results. I needed it for my bezier curve approximation routine.
In some cases (generating offset curves) loops can occur. I now have a
fast method of detecting the generation of a curve with a loop. Although
I did not follow the article above strictly. The check if the fourth control
point lies in the the loop area, which is bounded by two parabolas and
one ellips is too complicated. Instead I enlarged the loop-area and
surrounded it by for straight lines. The check is now simple and fast and
my approximation routine never ever outputs self-intersecting bezier curves
again!
Ferdinand.
| 1comp.graphics |
In article <bitzm.124.0@columbia.dsu.edu>, bitzm@columbia.dsu.edu (MICHAEL BITZ) writes:
|>
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|> ********
|>
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|>
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|> * (2) IDE hard drives
|> * (2) floppy drives (3.5" or 5.25", high
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|> * (2) serial ports
|> * (1) parallel port
|> * (1) game port
|>
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|>
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|> less used at all).
|>
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|> Research and Development bitzm@dsuvax.dsu.edu
|> Dakota State University Bitnet: s93020@sdnet.bitnet
|>
A friend of mine is selling the same thing for $25.00!!! ( NEW )
| 6misc.forsale |
In article <1993Apr21.222016.18990@leland.Stanford.EDU>, arc@leland.Stanford.EDU (Andrew Richard Conway) writes:
> I must protest your "...in a Communist country". How do you know?
> There haven't been any, and are unlikely to ever be any. In some Socialist
> dictatorships, you can't, whilst in some socialist democracies
> (such as France or Australia)
> you can. Of course, some people may disagree about France & Australia being
> socialist...
>
> >it, (or rather, you're complaining about it) and nobody is shooting at us.
>
> Yet.
>
> >GUESS WHAT PEOPLE? You live in one of the few countries in the world
> >where a person can complain without getting shot at.
>
> In some circumstances. I was at a public meeting last night (in the USA), where
> a protester, who was very nice and calm, and just said before the
> speaker started to beware of his opinions, was forced out of the meeting by
> two armed policemen.
>
> There are a lot of things that one cannot do in the USA. You may not
> notice them, but as an Australian visitor, I notice them.
>
>
> Of course don't over react --- but don't under react.
>
Thank you Andrew. Not only for the firm rebuttal, but for understanding the
difference between communism and socialism (even though this is off topic).
Why do people just not understand that just because all those pretty songs about
the land of the free and so on sound nice, that they may not be true?
Take off those rose colored glasses and get a clue (to use two of the better
cliches around)
thanks you again
jamie
| 11sci.crypt |
and A VGA monitor..
e-mail
| 6misc.forsale |
ajc@philabs.philips.com (Alec Cameron) writes:
>FOR SALE:
>Norelco hot curlers. Asking: $10.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Contact Alec Cameron (x6361).
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I know this is the '90s but what is a man doing with hot curlers?
:-)
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| 6misc.forsale |
julie@eddie.jpl.nasa.gov (Julie Kangas) writes:
|> In article <C50FnH.Cvo@news.udel.edu> roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes:
|> > [With a tip of the hat to David Letterman for making the Top Ten format
|> > so popular]
|> >
|> >Top Ten Reasons that Conservatives don't want to aid Russia:
|>
|> <looking around> Who? Where?
|> Don't look at me. I want to send aid to Russia. Many other
|> conservatives do as well.
|>
|> Julie
|> DISCLAIMER: All opinions here belong to my cat and no one else
Yes, it was Nixon who was most vocal about giving money to Russia. It
makes me proud to be a libertarian. It appears both conservatives and
liberals prefer to cold war until you win, then nurse the enemy back to
health for another go around.
It's like subsidizing the wealthy countries (Japan, Germany, etc.) with
free defense, and then trade-warring with them because of the economic
competition. It's like subsidizing tobacco farmers while paying
bureaucrats to pursuade people not to smoke.
I ask myself, what law could we pass to prevent government from doing
stupid, frivilous things with OUR money? Then I think, the Constitution
was supposed to do that. Could someone please tell me what legitimate
constitutional power the federal government is using when it takes money
from my paycheck and gives it to needy countries? Seriously.
Roger Collins
"If we were directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap,
we would soon want bread."
-- Thomas Jefferson
| 18talk.politics.misc |
In article <1993Apr20.192905.13633@Princeton.EDU> niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent) writes:
>In article <2943640103.10.p00421@psilink.com> "Dennis G Parslow" <p00421@psilink.com> writes:
>
>>To beat a dead horse, I seem to remember a fair amount of sympathy for
>>some black fringe player named Roberto Clemente. And for Roy
>>Campanella. And for Thurman Munson. And for just about anyone else
>>who we may not even have liked as players, but mourned for dying too young.
>Wiggins, Alan?
I believe he was well out of baseball by the time he died.
>But that's besides the point. I'm sure people would feel slightly
>sympathetic for Rickey if he were killed. But, they would also be
>criticizing him a lot more for his actions.
>
>Example?
>
>How about Jose Canseco? He gets a couple of speeding tickets, and all
>of the sudden his attitude is awful. What the hell do speeding tickets
>have to do with clubhouse influence anyway? So why do sportswriters
>talk about it all the time.
Uh, he also has been charged with chasing his wife in a car, and smashing it
into a tree, as well as carrying a loaded firearm in his car. And the
speeding reported was over 100 mph; reckless driving.
>Or Brian Hunter and Keith Mitchell? Both of whom had DWI problems
>towards the end of last year. (Two years ago?) It was cited as a sign
>of their immaturity, etc.
Actually, I hadn't heard about this; thanks.
>Meanwhile, Dykstra almost killed both himself and Daulton, and I didn't
>read any sportswriter complaining about that. They may have talked
>about how bad it was for the Phillies, but I NEVER read anywhere
>criticism of Dykstra's character (or Daulton's intelligence, for that
>matter) based on this incident.
I don't know what you were reading or watching, but I sure saw a LOT about
that, and about Dykstra's poker games. Most of the writing was along the lines
of how incredibly stupid and selfish it was, and how he'd hurt the team by
wracking himself and the catcher up, etc. ESPN raised questions about his
judgement, etc. The print media here in the SF area questioned why disciplinary
action wouldn't be taken against Dykstra, and one article pointed out that if
Lenny wanted to kill himself, there were ways that wouldn't endanger other
people's lives. Then there was Dykstra himself being quoted on how stupid it
was, etc.
Mike
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>In <tvartiai.734823058@vipunen.hut.fi> tvartiai@vipunen.hut.fi (Tommi Vartiainen) writes:
>>According to the inside information, Alpo Suhonen won't be the next headcoach
>>of Jokerit. It's pretty sure that Boris Majorov will continue, although owner
>>of the team previously said that he will chance the coach.
>>Tommi
>Wrong information. They just announced that Suhonen has made a deal with
>Jokerit.
>
>Tommi
And Boris Majorov has made a 1+1 year deal with Tappara.
Svante
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
In <1t7529$agf@agate.berkeley.edu> miyamoto@ucsee.Berkeley.EDU (Carleton
A. Y. Miyamoto) writes:
>>>In article <1t6efv$1pj@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca> gel@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca
>>>(Gilles KHOUZAM) writes:
>>>Macsee.zip on ftp.cica.indiana.edu is supposed to read and write Mac
>>>disks. I've never tried it, though. Good luck
>>I just tried it, but I can't say that it works, 'cause it doesn't read 800K
>>disks, it only reads 1.44Mb. If there a program that does read 800K disks,
>>please let me know.
>I'm not sure that this is possible due to the way the Mac writes the 800k
>disk. I think the way the sectors are set up are different enough that a
>PC 3.5" can't read it. This is a hardware problem which software cannot
>correct. Hope this helps and correct me if I'm wrong.
You're right.
You cannot read or write a Mac or Apple II 800K 3.5" disk or Apple II
5.25" disk without extra hardware. However, Mac 1.44MB disks can be read
and written in a PC 3.5" HD drive with software only.
This should probably be added to every PC and Mac FAQ file. It sure gets
asked enough.
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
In article <bskendigC5rCBG.Azp@netcom.com>, bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) writes:
|>
|> They used a tank to knock a hole in the wall, and they released
|> non-toxic, non-flammable tear gas into the building.
|>
Before you go absolving the BATF & FBI of all blame in this incident, you should
probably be aware of two important facts.
1. There is no such thing as non-toxic tear gas. Tear gas is non-breathable
remaining in it's presence will cause nausea and vomiting, followed eventually
by siezures and death. Did the FBI know the physical health of all the people
they exposed?? Any potential heart problems among the B-D's??
2. Have you ever seen a tear gas canister?? Tear gas is produced by burning a
chemical in the can. The fumes produced are tear gas. The canister has a
warning printed on the side of it. "Contact with flamable material can result
in fire." Now, how many of these canisters did they throw inside a building
they admited was a fire-trap??
This whole thing was a case of over-reaction by the officials at every step.
I hope it is thoroughly investigated and the responsible parties are held
accountable. But that is highly unlikely when you figure they are going to
be investigating themselves.
bill
--
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bill@cs.uofs.edu | said softly, "except one; the refusal to think."
University of Scranton |
Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include <std.disclaimer.h>
| 19talk.religion.misc |
In article <C5pvp5.82L@chinet.chi.il.us> dhartung@chinet.chi.il.us (Dan Hartung) writes:
>Just had the opportunity to watch this flick on A&E -- some 15 years
>since I saw it last.
Wow, the WWII channel did something not-WWII?
>I was very interested in the technology demonstrated in this film
>for handling infectious diseases (and similar toxic substances).
>Clearly they "faked" a lot of the computer & robotic technology;
>certainly at the time it was made most of that was science fiction
>itself, let alone the idea of a "space germ".
The graphics capabilities of the computers were very faked for movie
audiences who have not ability or patience with numbers. The book was more
realistic in that respect. In all respects, actually. The robotics are
still out of range, but not impossible.
>Quite coincidentally [actually this is what got me wanted to see
>the movie again] I watched a segment on the otherwise awful _How'd
>They Do That?_ dealing with a disease researcher at the CDC's top
>lab. There was description of the elaborate security measures taken
>so that building will never be "cracked" so to speak by man or
>nature (short of deliberate bombing from the air, perhaps). And
>the researchers used "spacesuits" similar to that in the film.
SF (and I"ve always wondered how Crichton escapes this classification) is
usually ahead of science in both prediction and precaution. NASA's
decontaimination processes were supposedly taken to prevent SF story
disasters. I mean, NASA scientists were often SF readers (and
sometimes writers) and felt pre-warned by their reading.
>I'm curious what people think about this film -- short of "silly".
>Is such a facility technically feasible today?
I think the film still holds up among the best of SF films, but that isn't
saying a whole lot.
>As far as the plot, and the crystalline structure that is not Life
>As We Know It, that's a whole 'nother argument for rec.arts.sf.tech
>or something.
Yep.
| 13sci.med |
I first heard it about academic politics but the same thought seems to
apply to the BMWMOA
"The politics is so dirty because the stakes are so small."
Who cares? I get my dues-worth from the ads and occasional technical
articles in the "News". I skip the generally drab articles about someone's
trek across Iowa. If some folks get thrilled by the power of the BMWMOA,
they deserve whatever thrills their sad lives provide.
BTW, I voted for new blood just to keep things stirred up.
Henry Prange
Physiology/IU Sch. Med., Blgtn., 47405
DoD #0821; BMWMOA #11522; GSI #215
ride = '92 R100GS; '91 RX-7 conv = cage/2; '91 Explorer = cage*2
The four tenets of all major religions:
1. I am right.
2. You are wrong.
3. Hence, you deserve to be punished.
4. By me.
| 8rec.motorcycles |
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| 6misc.forsale |
>True, Congress has said that possesion of an unlicensed automatic
>weapon is a violation of the law. Congress did not, however, say
>that such possesion was a capital offense or a transgression worth
>getting four good government agents killed and 16 others wounded.
Even if it were a capital offense, the warrant was not even an arrest warrant,
but a search warrant. In other words, there was no evidence of illegal
arms, just enough of a suggestion to get a judge to sign a license to
search for illegal evidence.
Question: As in the Rodney King case, will the US DOJ institute
criminal civil rights proceedings against the BATF? Or at least an
investigation? OK, sorry I asked.
| 16talk.politics.guns |
In article <1993Apr2.180451.15428@exu.ericsson.se>, ebuwoo@ebu.ericsson.se (James Woo 66515) writes:
|> Hi,
|> I wonder if anyone has had a chance try out Norton Desktop for Windows
|> version 2.2 yet. I understand the upgrade cost from 2.0 to 2.2 is about
|> $20.00 but I have no idea what the new version has.
|>
I got the offer to upgrade this weekend. It's $19 + $8.50 shipping and
handling. The S+H seem way too steep for just a couple of disks. Sounds
like ripoff city. Can this purchased at vendors?
--
======================
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| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
In article <May.2.09.48.32.1993.11721@geneva.rutgers.edu>, db7n+@andrew.cmu.edu (D. Andrew Byler) writes:
|> Beyt (BCG@thor.cf.ac.uk) writes:
|>
|>
|> 4) "Nothing unclean shall enter [heaven]" (Rev. 21.27). Therefore,
|> babies are born in such a state that should they die, they are cuf off
|> from God and put in hell,
Oh, that must explain Matthew 18:
1) In that hour came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, "Who then is greatest in
the kingdom of heaven?"
2) And he called to him a little child, and set him in the midst of them,
3) and said, "Verily I say unto you, Except ye turn, and become as little
children, ye shall in no wise enter into the kingdom of heaven.
14) Even so it is not the will of your father who is in heaven, that one of these
little ones should perish.
Nice thing about the Bible, you don't have to invent a bunch of convoluted
rationalizations to understand it, unlike your arguments for original sin. Face
it, original sin was thought up long after the Bible had been written and has no
basis from the scriptures.
Anthony
| 15soc.religion.christian |
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Critierias
Pick 9 forwards ( as long as they are forwards LW=RW=C is okay)
Pick 6 defensemen
( arrange them in a lines, 3 forwards and two defense = 1 line
( and arranged them in line order , which of your players would
( play in the first line and which plays in the second line
Pick 1 designated playmaker
( can be any positions...try a defensemen )
Pick 1 designated scorer ( can be any positions )
Pick 1 goal-tender
Pick a team ( the one you think may win the cup )
*note: players can only be chosen once !
ie Cannot have Sakic as forward and again as designated passer
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1 assist = 1 pt IXI 1 goal = 1 pt II
( for players in line 1, their pt totals will be *2 )
line 1 = pts * 2
line 2 = pts * 1.5
line 3 = pts * 1
1 win = 2 pt ( for goalies)
The team that wins the Cup = 10 pts
For the designated playmaker Designated
Calculation will be as follows Scorer:Goal = 3 pts
Every goal scored = 0.5 points Assists = 0.5 pts
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In the event of a tie, the tie will be broken by unmodified
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----SAMPLE-------------------------------------
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.
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.
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| 10rec.sport.hockey |
Cross-posted to talk.politics.guns from can.politics:
Mark G. Salyzyn (mark@ve6mgs.ampr.org) wrote:
# cmk@world.std.com (Charles M Kozierok) writes:
# >been to Waco, Texas lately? yes, the government takes care of us
# >all, doesn't it? as long as you belong to a government-sanctioned
# >religion.
#
# Excuse me, but didn't these gun-ladden cult members threaten, shoot and kill
# some people?
They threatened no one. Their neighbours thought they were a little
strange but all in all the kind of people you would want to live
next door to.
One version has the BATF serving a *search* warrant by jumping out
of a horse trailer with guns and tossing concussion grenades. If
this is the true order of events then the 'cult' could not know
that a search warrant was being served and since there was no proof
that these guys were police, the 'cult' had every right to defend
themselves.
: Torching themselves shows briliant tactics, and convinces me
: they *realy* belong in society ...
If you watch actual footage of the fire from start to finish it
is not at all clear that fire wasn't started by the tanks. The
people who survived are claiming that the fire was started by
the tanks knocking over some kerosene lanterns. The FBI is
claiming that the 'cult' started the fire.
'they *realy* belong in society' is a catchy phrase but
I'm personally waiting to see what the Texas Rangers have to say
about it all before I pass judgment. Why don't you do the same.
Some more interesting facts about the Waco incident:
1) The original assault was conducted by BATF officers wearing
an assorted types of camouflage. I saw, on CNN, at least
three different types. I would be hard pressed to identify
a bunch of guys in 'bring-your-own' battle fatigues as
uniformed officers of the law even if they were claiming to
be police.
2) The BATF has been lying from the beginning:
+ "We only had handguns" - the original footage showed 4 BATF
officers on a roof top getting shot at, one had an MP-5
assault sub-machine gun.
+ "We were out gunned" - sub-machine guns and shotguns are the
BEST in quarters weapon, you can't be out gunned when you
have the best guns available for the job.
+ "We didn't know they had guns that would shoot through doors!" -
this one is the best, there are very few guns that won't shoot
through a household door, or through a house WALL for that
matter. Since officers from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and
*Firearms* should know that, they are either lying or incredibly
incompetent. Not to mention criminally negligent if they are
shooting bullets that they think will stop when the encounter
plywood.
+ "We had a search warrant. Actually, we had an arrest warrant.
No, wait, we had both. Yeah, that's the ticket.
Oh, and they're child molesters too. And they make *drugs*.
Did we mention we think they have rocket launchers."
- The story from BATF and FBI spokespeople has changed daily
and their claims were getting increasingly outrageous.
3) Throughout the siege the FBI and BATF have be claiming that one
of their biggest concerns was that Koresh and his followers would
mass suicide. Now they are claiming that that's what he did
AND that they are surprised that he did. Huh?
All in all I think that anything the FBI and BATF say should be
taken with a grain or two of salt.
Rob.
--
Robert A. Osborne ...!uunet.ca!isgtec!robert or robert@isgtec.com
| 16talk.politics.guns |
Pat sez;
>Oddly, enough, The smithsonian calls the lindbergh years
>the golden age of flight. I would call it the granite years,
>reflecting the primitive nature of it. It was romantic,
>swashbuckling daredevils, "those daring young men in their flying
>machines". But in reality, it sucked. Death was a highly likely
>occurence, and the environment blew.
Yeah, but a windscreen cut down most of it. Canopies ended it completely.
Of course, the environment in space continues to suck :-)
-Tommy Mac
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| 14sci.space |
In <sasrer.735576383@cinnamon> sasrer@unx.sas.com writes:
> services we offered was an engine cleaning (remove all that oil BEFORE you
> sell the car... ;-}). Unfortunately, we did not have a high pressure
> washer so we would use one several miles from the shop. On more than one
> occasion after washing the engine, it would not start as water would have
> gotten under the distributor (I would put a plastic bag around it to try and
> minimize this), around the spark plug wires, etc and it would be nearly
> IMPOSSIBLE to try and wipe all these areas down with a dry rag. The usual
> solution was to carry a can of WD-40, and when the car wouldn't start to spray
> all the likely areas and it would then start on the very first time.
>
This definately gets the car going, but... WD-40 is highly flammable. Explosive
even in the right conditions, like a vapour sealed inside a distributor for
eg. And contact points tend to arc a tiny bit :)
I once saw the alternator/points cover blow completely off a motorcycle after
it had been restored to life with WD-40... fun to watch
(It was a Honda MR-50 minibike and the cover is only held on by large rubber
grommet, so it wasn't really a big blast.)
Graham B
PS As a more serious aside, it is apparently also conductive, so it is best
to exercise caution with it around mains wiring.
| 12sci.electronics |
ML> From: libman@hsc.usc.edu (Marlena Libman)
ML> I need advice with a situation which occurred between me and a physican
ML> which upset me.
ML> My questions: (1) Should I continue to have this doctor manage my care?
That's easy: No. You wouldn't take your computer into a repair
shop where they were rude to you, even if they were competent in
their business. Why would you take your own body into a "repair
shop" where the "repairman" has such a bad attitude?
---
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| 13sci.med |
NeXTstation 25MHz 68040 8/105
Moto 56001 DSP
Megapixel (perfect - no dimming or shaking)
keyboard/mouse (of course :)
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Network and System Administration
User's Reference
Applications
The NeXT Book, by Bruce Webster (New Copy)
Black NeXTconnection modem cable
30 HD disks (10 still in unwrapped box, others for backing up
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I NEED to sell this pronto to get a car (my engine locked up)!
Machine runs great... only used in my house. Has been covered when
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| 6misc.forsale |
Has anybody gotten this BMP to work? I try to uudecode it, but
I get "input file error" and no picture. Anybody?
--Casey
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
In article <1993Apr5.005204.29158@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark A. Cochran) writes:
>kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes:
>>In article <1993Apr2.155820.16998@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark A. Cochran) writes:
>>>
>>>The SC allows restrictions after 'viability' (a term never medically defined)
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>>Any physician who can't make a reasonable stab at determining whether a given
>>fetus is viable or not is not qualified to perform an abortion.
>
>Kebbin shows that he does not know the difference between determining
>the viability of an *individual* fetus, and providing the "universally
>accepted medical definition[s] of viability"
I was not discussing "universal" definitions in this post, Mark. Please
refrain from dragging in irrelevancies.
Do you agree with my statement above about physicians being unqualified if
they can't determine viability?
>>Since we know
>>that there are SOME physicians out there who are qualified to perform
>>abortions, then obviously SOME medical definition of "viability" is being
>>employed.
>
>On an case by case basis, viability is relatively easy to determine.
And that's good enough for the law, Mark. So why do you keep whining that
viability "isn't defined"? What purpose does your whining serve?
- Kevin
| 18talk.politics.misc |
gwm@spl1.spl.loral.com (Gary W. Mahan) writes:
>>Why should a good driver be terrified at 130mph? The only thing I fear
>>going at 130 are drivers, who switch to the left lane without using
>>either rear-view-mirror or flashers. Doing 130 to 150 ain't a rush
>>for me, but it's fun and I get where I want to go much faster.
>In defense of the drivers, who are in the right lane. Here in the states, people simply do not expect when they are driving to be overtaken at a speed differential of 50+mph. I don't think this is because they are stupid (of course, there are exceptions), they are just programmed because of the 55mph limit. Do you (in the states) when you look in the rear-view ALWAYS calculate future positions of cars based on a 50+ speed differential.
>Dont get me wrong, I love to drive in the left lane fast but when I overtake
>cars who are on the right, I slow down a tad bit. If I were to rely on the judgement of the other car, to recognize the speed differential, I would be the stupid one.
>BTW, If no one else is around, then GO FOR IT!.
Keep up the good work guys.
Afterall the cops need to be occupied with someone so that lesser
mortals like us can be left alone.
Bhaskar@orion.me.uiuc.edu
| 7rec.autos |
Mark 'Mark' Sachs (MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu) wrote:
: Oh? Then why did the smoke and flames start from three different places?
: In particular, three different places where there were no APV's?
The crushed remains of a PRESSURIZED propane tank were found in the ruins
of the BD compound. The key word is PRESSURIZED. When that baby was
crushed, the gas would have gone all over the place. And when ignited,
would look just like the pictures of the explosion we saw on the TV
news. Ammo doesn't go up all at once - kind of like fireworks going off.
Propane gas goes off in a big fireball. Gee, that's kind of consistent
with what the pictorial history shows. Hmmmmm...
: And if the government did start the fire, then why weren't people trying
: to get out of the compound?
Remember, PRESSURIZED gas. People all over the building.
Conflagration in less than a minute. Huge explosion. Gas masks being
worn by the inhabitants. Makes a lot of sense that very few of those
on the inside would even know that the tank was damaged. If they
thought it was just a normal fire, they would probably be trying to
put it out. Then - BOOM - the fireball. After that explosion and
concussion, I doubt anybody on the inside of the building was capable
of moving.
: And besides... oh, I don't know why I'm even bothering.
Good question. Take an objective look at what happened, listen to the
things that the FBI said ("The BD's started the fire." "The BD's bodies
were found with gunshot wounds.") that are now being refuted by the
evidence being recovered. Seems that the FBI is deliberately making
statements that have no rational basis in fact, and trying to make
them sound like fact.
: I find it tremendously chilling that so many people seem eager to believe
: a murderous, heavily-armed religious cult, despite much evidence to the
: contrary. Thought Experiment: Suppose this exact same thing happened under
: the Bush administration. What would your answer be then? Would you still
: prefer to believe the cultists?
Yes, I would still believe that the FBI and the BATF were on a non-stop
string of lies and half-truths. This is consistent with their operations
on numerous occasions.
And as for the BD's being murderous, they did not cause any problems until
they were assaulted by the BATF. So now a thought experiment for you: If
the BATF had never stormed that farm, would four agents and 90 BD's be
dead today?
: (No, I don't really expect a response to that challenge.)
: >But then
: >again, that is how Mr. Clinton was elected, by people who believe that
: >his campaign promisses would be respected by him once he got into office.
: Um, isn't that how all politicians are elected?
Yes. That is how politicians are elected. Kind of scary, isn't it. Now
if we as a people actually held Mr. Clinton to his promises instead of
apologizing and denying that he ever made them, and actually expected
accountability by our government, I doubt that debacles like Waco would
happen as often as they do.
: So is there any particular reason the gummint decided to slaughter eighty
: people? Are they, like, just plain evil, or what? Did they just wake up
: one day, stretch and yawn, and throw a dart at a map of the United States
: to figure out who to oppress that day? I'm eager to know.
Acutally, no. THe BATF has a rather checkered history of staging raids of
this sort just prior to the time when their budget comes up for review.
Oddly enough, their budget was about to be reviewed just two weeks after
the initial raid on the BD's. "Coincidence? I think not!"
And as for the fire, what happened was caused by the act of knocking over
walls with an armored vehicle of destruction. The FBI tried to convince
the world it was suicide, but all of the facts that are coming out by
the investigation of the Texas rangers and medical examiners point to
a gas explosion and quick fire that decimated all of the occupants of the
building. Sounds to me like a law enforcement agency that is trying to
cover its ass.
: And does Bill Clinton have cooler theme music than Darth Vader? How is he
: on diabolical laughter? Does he look good in a cape? These things MUST be
: investigated. You first.
Oh, please. If you want to argue, argue. If you merely want to demean those
who see this differently than you, then please go somewhere else.
: Mark Sachs IS: mbs110@psuvm.psu.edu
Keith Marchington
| 16talk.politics.guns |
In a previous article, mlipsie@rdm09.std.com (Mike Lipsie MPU) says:
>In article <C54yFD.6LD@sunfish.usd.edu> pwiseman@salmon.usd.edu (Cliff) writes:
>>
>>Your swap file is purged every time you exit windows. If you shut off your
>>computer without exiting windows your swap file remains. 20 Mb is on the large
>>side, are you running more applications than you really need to at the same time?
>
>This is, of course, not true. The *temporary* swap file is purged
>every time you exit windows. The permanent file is permanent and
>can only be changed by adjusting the virtual memory.
>
>I suspect that either the original poster was "tinkering" and
>adjusted the swap file to 20MB (and then forgot about it) or
>somebody "helped" him.
>
>--
>Mike Lipsie (work) mlipsie@ca.merl.com
>Mitsubishi Electronic Research Laboratory (home) mikel@dosbears.UUCP
>
When I first setup windows using the self load mode It grabbed about
20 megs of swap file space, my 120 meg HD was nearly empty at that time.
I deleted windows for a time and recently reloaded, now my HD is nearly full
and windows just took 4 megs.
I have read somewhere that the best rule of thumb is have your
permanent swap file the same size as your regular RAM size. I have 4 megs
of RAM and windows took 4 meg perm swap file. Works very well.
In fact with my available HD space, about 20 megs it won't let me make
the swap file any bigger.
You should change your virtual mem swap file to 8 megs I think
that is what you said your RAM was.
C-ya..... /\/\artin
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>>>>> On 25 Apr 93 23:26:20 GMT, bobbe@vice (Robert Beauchaine;6086;59-323;LP=A;YAyG) said:
...execellent examples of Luther's insane rantings deleted...
Gee, I'm *sooooo* surprised that they don't teach this part of his
ideology in high schools today.
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Ed McCreary ,__o
edm@twisto.compaq.com _-\_<,
"If it were not for laughter, there would be no Tao." (*)/'(*)
| 0alt.atheism |
In article <1qfkqhINN1s7@rodan.UU.NET> smm@rodan.UU.NET (Steve Mansfield) writes:
>Yes, my front tire is all but dead. It has minimal tread left, so it's
>time for a new one. Any recommendations on a good tire in front? I'm
>riding on an almost brand new ME55A in back.
Stick an ME33 on the front. I've got a Laser on the front of my GPz,
and it has been a fantastic tire. Best front tire I've ever had.
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Does anybody know what is going on with Lankford? I know he was
out for a few games with a slight injury, but since he has
beenback (and before the injury for that matter) he has been
really struggling at the plate and on the basepaths.
Whereis the Ray Lankford we saw last year???
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"One likes to believe in the freedom of baseball" - Geddy Lee
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
I have the task to program a X application for the first time and have some severe difficulties creating a window in which I can draw something.
Unfortunately some basic books on the topic of X application programming are not available to me for the moment.
I am running a hp720 with hpux 8.07, VUE and X11R4 using Xt anbd Xaw.
What I did until now:
I initialized the X Intrinsics cxreating a top level widget with XtAppInitialize. I passed as a application_class name 'commandWidgetClass'.
Then I set the argument values for window height and width using XtSetArg and
passed it to the toplevel widget with XtSetValues.
When I call XtRealizeWidget, I get a window of the specified size, but I have no idea how I can draw something in it.
Can anybody send me some help and perhaps some basic information how to use the widgets ?
In which situation it is useful to use them and in which not ?
Thanks very much in advance
Soenke
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Soenke Voss Faculty of Economics
soenke@wiwi12.uni-bielefeld.de University of Bielefeld
Germany
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ccdarg@dct.ac.uk (Alan Greig) writes:
>or the cultists...) I think I'll quote the BBC quoting (actually voice
>interview) one of the two British survivors. He claimed that the fire
>started when the tanks caused an internal wooden wall/roof to collapse
>knocking over kerosene lamps and that they had no suicide plan.
If the FBI started the fire, why didn`t people flee the
burning building?
James Dusek
| 16talk.politics.guns |
In the hopes of adding a little life to, what seems to be, the
same old debates, I would like to add a few bits of info and ask for
comments.
1) A couple days ago the headlines were splashed with stories of proof
that the North Vietnamese had held U.S. hostages after the war ended.
Way back in today's newspaper (Page A7 of San Francisco Chronicle)
there is an article about the document that held the proof.
[used without permission]
"The document, which was discovered in the archives of the Soviet
Communist Party in Moscow, is a Russian translation of what is described
as a September 1972 report prepared for the Vietnam Politburo by General
Tran Van Quang, who is identified as the deputy chief of staff of the
North Vietnamese army."
[later on in the article after it talks about the claim of 1,205
Americans in North Vietnamese prisons]
"Phong said the easiest way to prove that the document is a
fabrication is to review Quang's career. In 1972, he said, Quang was
not deputy chief of staff; he was the army commander in Military Region 4
in central Vietnam."
2) I heard on the radio that the Church of Scientology has filed for
bankrupcy becuase the employees of Cocolat , owned by CoS, filed a
class action suit against them for requiring the employees to pay dues
to become members of the Church. Anyone heard more about this?
3) Micheal Jackson went into business with Micheal Milken. No lie.
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The Angels won their home opener against the Brewers today before 33,000+
at Anaheim Stadium, 3-1 on a 3-hitter by Mark Langston. J.T. Snow and
Gary Discarcina hit home runs for the Angels.
Daniel
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
The tongue that brings healing is a
tree of life,
but a deceitful tongue crushes the
spirit.
Proverbs 15:4 (NIV)
| 19talk.religion.misc |
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