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Anyone in Europe got any advice for a US citizen whose going to be living
and working in Italy for a year and wants to buy a motorcycle there? An
Italian friend just arrived here in Washington State to work for two years,
and she's finding it very very difficult to obtain car insurance. So I
thought I'd ask...
I have a US license, with motorcycle endorsement (unlimited displacement),
and have had for 30 years. I am also a Washington State Motorcycle Safety
instructor, if that info might help.
I will post a summary, even if it's just of my own personal experience in
buying a bike and getting it insured after I get to Italy.
--
H. Marc Lewis | "There are two kinds of people in the world --
Olivetti North America | those who divide everything in the world into
marcl@mail.spk.olivetti.com | two kinds of things and those who don't"
| 8rec.motorcycles |
I have 2 OMTI 3527 SCSI adapters for sale. These make an ST-506 RLL drive
look like a SCSI disk drive. Each adapter will support two RLL drives. I
have used this model OMTI adapter with my Amiga A500 and a C-Ltd SCSI host
adapter without problems. I'm selling these because I got them about the
same time I decided to sell instead of expand my Amiga so I have never even
used them. I can't guarantee they will work with every SCSI host adapter.
They are essentially new in box. I paid $150/ea, make me an offer.
Regards,
Todd
(708) 202-1030
little@pecan.enet.dec.com
| 12sci.electronics |
Yes, it's possible... in fact, there's some gl widget code in
/usr/lpp/GL somewhere... (it's named Glib.c; my IBM's down right now
though, so I can't find the exact location :)
WARNING: this code feels quite bogus. It does things like calling
noport() before winopen(), and then extracting an X window id from it
anyway. It worked just fine under aix 3.1; I spent last weekend trying
to port it to 3.2 (gl under 3.2 doesn't seem to like it), and it's
turning into a Hard Job.
Check out your "info" pages; it has some pretty good documentation on
whan you can and can't do when mixing gl and X, and how to go about
doing so.
)Rob
| 5comp.windows.x |
I need as much information about Cosmos 2238 and its rocket fragment (1993-
018B) as possible. Both its purpose, launch date, location, in short,
EVERYTHING! Can you help?
-Tony Ryan, "Astronomy & Space", new International magazine, available from:
Astronomy Ireland, P.O.Box 2888, Dublin 1, Ireland.
6 issues (one year sub.): UK 10.00 pounds, US$20 surface (add US$8 airmail).
ACCESS/VISA/MASTERCARD accepted (give number, expiration date, name&address).
(WORLD'S LARGEST ASTRO. SOC. per capita - unless you know better? 0.033%)
Tel: 0891-88-1950 (UK/N.Ireland) 1550-111-442 (Eire). Cost up to 48p per min
| 14sci.space |
OK, OK, OK. First, my apologies for perhaps being untimely with this subject material and perhaps overly optimistic in my request, but here goes anyhow:
I'm *very* interested in finding out how I might be able to get two tickets for the All Star game in Baltimore this year. My very aged folks live about 50 miles away and I know it would be a great thing for them to attend the game. I went with them, and my grandfather who got me into baseball as a small child, to the All Star game in DC many years ago. Although I'm now in the SF Bay Area, I'd *love* to be able to treat my folks to this game; it's absolutely the last chance they'd ever have to attend this g
ame locally.
Any info would be greatly appreciated!!!!
Mary Cole
mcole@informix.com
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
Hello to everybody,
I write here because I am kind of desperate. For about six weeks, I've been
suffering on pains in my left head side, the left leg and sometimes the left
arm. I made many tests (e.g. computer tomography, negative, lyme borreliosis,
negative, all electrolytes in the blood in their correct range), they're
all o.K., so I should be healthy. As a matter of fact, I am not feeling so.
I was also at a Neurologist's too, he considered me healthy too.
The blood tests have shown that I have little too much of Hemoglobin (17.5,
common range is 14 to 17, I unfortunately do not know about the units).
Could these hemi-sided pains be the result of this or of a also possible
block of the neck muscles ?
I have no fever, and I am not feeling entirely sick, but neither entirely
healthy.
Please answer by direct email on <ghilardi@urz.unibas.ch>
Thanks for every hint
Nico
| 13sci.med |
>> Does anyone have a reference (something I can look up, not just your own
>> recollections -- I have a few of those myself) on the temperature of the
>> (night) sky as seen from space?
>>
>> Note, I am *not* talking about the temperature of the Microwave Background
>> Radiation. There are more things in the sky than just the MBR; what I'm
>> after is total blackbody temperature -- what a thermal radiator would see,
>> disregarding (or shielding against) the Sun and nearby large warm objects.
>
>
I'm not sure if this will help you, but the (local) interstellar
radiation field has been measured and modeled by various groups. If I
remember things correctly, the models involved contributions from three
different BB sources, so there's no obvious "temperature" of background
radiation in our local area. However, the following references give the
interstellar radiation density as a function of wavelength, and you can
integrate and average in an appropriate manner to get an "effective"
temperature if you like:
Witt and Johnson (1973) Astrophys. J. 181, 363 - 368
Henry et al. (1980) Astrophys. J. 239, 859 - 866
Mathis et al. (1983) Astron. Astrophys. 128, 212 - 229
As you can see, the references are out of date, but they might get you
started.
Hope this helps,
Julie
| 14sci.space |
In article <1qkhju$43c@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes:
> Truth is better than falsehood,
So, if you were housing a Jew in your home in Holand, 1942; and
the SS troopers asks if you are housing a Jew, is it objectively better to
tell the truth, " I am holding a Jew ", than a falsehood, " No I am not
holding a Jew"?
In this case, let us assume that if you lie, the SS trooper leaves,
never to bother you. Either way, nothing is ever done to you- no prison,
trouble, etc.
Of course, if you tell the truth, then the Jew will be executed.
Is it better to tell the truth, or lie?
[ In this case, I would consider not saying anything to be a lie.
Or, at the very least, it implies that falsehood is on the same level of
telling the truth. Or, we can stipulate that the SS have methods to make you
say something: only they can not control whether or not you say "yes" or
"no". Only that you will say one or the other. ]
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Only when the Sun starts to orbit the Earth will I accept the Bible.
| 19talk.religion.misc |
Does anyone know of a fractal terrain generator for Mac, something
I could hopefully import into a 3D program like Swivel or Stratavision?
I know Infini-D has built in capabilities, but I don't have access to
Infini-D. I downloaded two programs from Umich, in graphics/fractals,
but both were from 1990-91 and crashed under System 7. I think they
were Black and white anyway. Please, email me if you know of anything,
as I don't check the newsgroups very often.
Thanks in advance.
Dan Bradley deb47099@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
| 1comp.graphics |
Isn't there a differentiation, though, between improper use or definition or
practice as regards objective morals and whether they actually exist?
MAC
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With new taxes and spending cuts we'll still have 310 billion dollar deficits.
| 0alt.atheism |
In <1993Apr4.200253.21409@ennews.eas.asu.edu> guncer@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Selim Guncer ) writes:
>You might not like what Bernard Lewis writes about, label him
>as a Zionist or such to discredit him etc.
You misrepresent me, Selim. The hard evidence for my statements about
his lack of objectivity are presented quite clearly in the book
"Orientalism" by Edward Said. Edward Said, by the way, is a Christian,
not a Muslim.
>I think he is
>pretty much objective in his treatment in "Race and Slavery in
>the Middle East", since he clearly distinguishes between
>slavery under Islam, and the practice of slavery in other countries,
>like the US prior to the civil war. He also does not conceal
>that there are verses in the Quran which promote the liberation
>of slaves. What he doesn't, and I don't think nobody can,
>deduce from these verses is that slavery will eventually be
>abolished in Islamic countries. Now you might, rather conveniently,
>blame the practice of slavery on Muslims, but the facts are out
>there. I also fail to see the relevance of the claim of Lewis being
>a "Zionist" to what I wrote.
Regarding Bernard Lewis:
Him being a Zionist gives him a political motive for his
giving misrepresentations and half-truths about Islam.
Read "Orientalism" by Edward Said -- see the evidence for yourself.
In fact, I may post some of it here (if it isn't too long).
>They were encyclopaedic information
>which anybody can access - that slavery was abolished at certain
>dates some 1200 years after Muhammed, that this was the cause
>of tensions in the Ottoman empire between the Arab slave traders
>and the government etc.. We also have in the ASU library volumes
>of British documents on slavery where reports and documents
>concerning slavery all around the world can be found, which I
>checked some of the incidents Lewis mentions. So I don't think
>ones political stance has anything to do with documentary evidence.
I haven't read Lewis's article, so I can't comment directly upon it, and
have only spoken about his writings _in general_ so far, that his
political motives make him a biased writer on Islam. His anti-Islamic
polemics, as I understand it, are often quite subtle and are often based
on telling half-truths.
Again, read "Orientalism" by Edward Said. I am _not_ asking you to take
what I say on trust, in fact I am urging you not to do so but to get
this book (it is a well-known book) and check the evidence out for
_yourself_.
>The issue I raised was that slaves WERE USED FOR SEXUAL PURPOSES,
>when it was claimed that Islam prohibits extra-marital sex.
>I wrote that the Prophet himself had concubines, I wrote an
>incident in which the prophet advised on someone who did not
>want his concubine to get pregnant etc., which is contrary
>to the notion that "sex is for procreation only". In other
>words, such claims are baseless in the Quran and the Hadith.
If slavery is _in reality_ (as opposed to in the practice of some
Muslims) opposed by Islam, then using slaves for sexual
purposes is necessarily opposed too.
>I seem to be unsuccesful in getting through to you. Islam is
>not "advocating" slavery. Slavery was an existing institution in the
>7th century. It advised on slaves being freed for good
>deeds etc., which is nothing new. Many cultures saw this as a
>good thing. What is the problem here? But I can argue rightfully
>that slaves were discouraged about thinking about their statuses
>politically - the Quran rewards the good slave, so obey your
>master and perhaps one day you'll be free. But, it is very
>understandable that I do not communicate with Muslims, since
>they assume the Quran is from a "God", and I think it is a rule-based
>system imposed on the society for preservation of the status quo.
>Slaves are a part of this system, the subordination of women
>so that their function in society boils down to child-making
>is a part of this system, etc.
I understand your point of view, Selim -- I think, rather, it is _us_
who are not getting through to _you_.
Some of the points you repeat above I have already answered before.
Regarding women, I have made posting after posting on this subject,
showing that Islam is not anti-woman, etc. However, have you been
completely ignoring my postings or just missing them? I just reposted a
very good one, under the title "Islam and Women", reposted from
soc.religion.islam. If this has already disappeared from your site,
then please email me telling me so and I will email you a copy of this
excellent article.
IMHO, your understanding of the issue of women in Islam is sadly deficient.
Regarding slaves, _my_ posting on slavery -- the second one I made,
which is a repost of an article I wrote early last year -- is based
completely on the Qur'an and contains numerous Qur'anic verses and
hadiths to support its point of view.
Our approaches are different -- you are arguing from a historical
standpoint and I am arguing directly from the teachings of the Qur'an
and hadiths. Now, just because people say they are Muslims and perform
a particular action, does that automatically mean that their action is
part of Islam, even if it is opposed by the Qur'an and Sunnah? No! Of
course not.
Let me give you a concrete example, which might help clarify this for
you. The Qur'an prohibits drinking. Now, if a person says "I am a
Muslim" and then proceeds to drink a bottle of beer, does this now mean
that Islam teaches that people should drink beer? Of course not, and
only an idiot would think so.
Do you see my point?
>It is very natural to think that
>the author/authors of the Quran had no idea that the socio-economic
>structure they were advocating would experience at least two paradigm
>shifts in 1400 years in the western cultures - first with the end of
>the feudal era and the rise of commerce, second with the industrial
>revolution. Well, rules have changed and the status quo has driven
>Muslim countries into misery trying to survive in a "heathen" world.
>Muslim countries have failed economically, they were unable to
>accumulate any wealth - directly due to the uncomprimising economic
>rules in the Quran. In fact, the rise of Islam can easily be modeled
>after the pyramid effect - you do not produce any wealth at home,
>but increase your wealth by conquering places.
You are judging Islam here on capitalist terms. Capitalism is an
ideology based largely on the assumption that people want to maximise
their wealth -- this assumption is in opposition to Islamic teachings.
To say Islam is bad because it is not capitalist is pretty unthinking --
Islam does not pretend to be capitalist and does not try to be
capitalist. (This does not mean that Islam does not support a
free-market -- for it does in general -- but there are other parts of
capitalism which are opposed to Islam as I understand it.)
>When this stopped,
>you (and I) were left bare in the open for emperialists to devour.
>No capital, no industry, very poor social services - the education
>level in Muslim countries are the lowest in the world, the health
>statistics are miserable etc..
One can postulate numerous reasons for this. Your theory is that it is
because Islam is not secularist and capitalist, etc. etc.
Selim, I will give you a clear historical example to show you the
fallacy of your views if you think (as you obviously do) that
Islam => lack of education and power.
For a large part of history, the Islamic world was very powerful. For a
significant section of history, the Islamic world was the foremost in
the sciences. So to say that Islam is, for example, anti-education is
completely absurd. You try to blame this situation on Islam -- history
shows that your conclusion is false and that, instead, there must be
other reasons for this situation.
>You blame Muslims for not following the Quran, but I blame Muslims
>for following the Quran.
Well, Selim, your viewpoint on women in Islam makes me question the extent
of your knowledge of Islam. I really think you are not
knowledgeable enough to be able to judge whether the Muslims are
following the Qur'an or not.
>Your idea is baseless from historical
>facts, it is a poor utopia,
The Islamic world was at the forefront of the world in science at one
stage -- yet somehow, in your theory, it is by "following the Qur'an"
that Muslims are backwards in education. Selim, it is _your_ thesis
that is anti-historical, for you conveniently overlook this historical
fact which contradicts your theory.
>while my ideas are derived from social
>and economic history.
You have certainly not shown this; you have merely stated it.
So far, it seems to me that your view on Islam being anti-education is
quite contrary to history. That you are so convinced of your views
makes me wonder just how objectively you are trying to look at all of
this.
>My solution to all Muslims is simple:
>CUT THE CRAP,
I think, Selim, you should consider taking your own advice.
>GET THE FACTS STRAIGHT
Here too.
>AND WORK HARD TO REVERSE
>THE EFFECTS OF 1300 YEARS OF IGNORANCE.
Selim, you have such conviction of your viewpoint, yet you demonstrate
ignorance, not only of Islam but also of Islamic history (particularly
with respect to Muslims being leaders of science till about 1400 or so I
think). Yet you say that your viewpoint is based on history!
Selim, if I remember right, you say in one of your earlier posts that
you are an apostate from Islam. I think you should slow down and start
thinking clearly about the issues, and start _reading_ some of our
postings about Islam rather than ignoring them as you so obviously
have.
Fred Rice
darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au
| 0alt.atheism |
Well everybody,
After reading tons of notes by Serdar, I have come to the following conclusion.
Turkey is PERFECT, and no Turk has ever made a mistake. He has proved to me at
least that the land occupied by Turkey today, was ALWAYS lived in peacefully by
Turks. (Including Istanbul AKA Constantinople) They treat their minorities
like gods and have only done good while all of their evil neighbors attacked
them. Somehow, despite these evil neighbors capable of nothing but murder
their population has exploded to almost 60 million in Turkey alone. (Note,
Armenian worldwide population is approximately 7 million total) I want to go
to this heaven on earth and meet the race that has made Serdar possible, that
has persevered, and has become a mecca for human rights lovers. (Amnesty
International must have bad sources, Turkey would never torture its citizens,
treat minorities badly, or kidnap 7 foreign journalists last year alone, who
incidentally are still missing), what I am trying to say is I WANT TO BE A
TURK!!!!
Now back to reality. I have once again been astounded by Serdars ability to
ignore all truth, all truly difficult questions, and go on to his encyclopedia
of quotes and sources that can be pasted into any note BY THE PAGE! Anybody at
all who has believed ANYTHING he has said, please step forward. Let him know
he hasn't been wasting his time, that SOMEBODY out there can be convinced by
the volume of e-mail you can produce, not the quality of the content. Well I am
off now. I will go dream some more about that perfect place, that nirvana,
that utopia, that xanadu, that TURKEY!
n_w$$h
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
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> This is actually the law that David Irving
> will hopefully be found guilty under due to his denial of the Holocaust.
> It's too bad that this useless "Centre for Policy Research" isn't in Canada.
> It'd set a nice precedent to how the law applies in Cyberspace.
>
> Steve
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> | <<My opinions are not associated with anything, including my head.>> |
Well canada is wrong. If it was in the US the ACLU would have
made sure that such repressive laws are found unconstitutional.
Do you think the Church didn't find Galileo's perception of the
universe offensive.
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
halsall@murray.fordham.edu (Paul Halsall) writes:
> But recently I read Peter Brown's _Body and Society_. It is very
> well researched, and well written. But is raises some very upsetting
> questions. The early Christians were weird - even more so than today's
> carzy fundies. They had odd views on sex, odder views on the body,
> totally ludicrous views about demons, and distinctly uncharitable
> views about other human beings.
If possible (last I heard, it was out of print but they were considering
reprinting) read Barbara Hambly's _Search the Seven Hills_. It is
historical fiction, set in Rome at the time of the early Church. She
captures the weirdness of the early Christians and yet gives glimpses of
the holiness too. Some of their odd views make a lot more sense in the
context of the society they lived in. I found it a remarkably positive
view of Christianity considering that the author is not a Christian
herself. Another plus is that each chapter begins with an
original-source quote so that it makes a good starting point for serious
research.
Jayne Kulikauskas/ jayne@mmalt.guild.org
| 15soc.religion.christian |
>
> Here's one I remember: (sort of)
> Yogi's asleep in a hotel room late at night and gets a call from someone.
> After he answers the phone the person at the other end asks if he woke Yogi
> up. Yogi answered, "No, the phone did."
>
> Kevin
One of my favorites came back in the seventies when two
streakers interupted a game Yogi was at, dashing across the
field unclad. Later someone who wasn't present asked Yogi
if they were men or women. He replied, "I couldn't tell,
they had bags over their heads."
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
I have a question about digital communications encryption:
The Fact Sheet mentioned encryption/decryption microcircuitry with
special "keys" for law enforcement for wire tapping purposes.
If I wanted to, couldn't I develop encryption of my own? That
is, if me and a partner in crime had unique Encryption/decryption
devices installed before the "tappable" one, couldn't we circumvent
the "keys" system? Or replace it?
I'd be really interested in knowing how the E/D microcircuits might
be made to prevent such befuddlement! (Laymans' Language, please! maybe a bit
technical...)
Please E-mail to me, as I'm not in Net News as much as I'd like to be!
Pete
deuelpm@craft.camp.clarkson.edu
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| 11sci.crypt |
In article <1993Apr15.132741.11322@scott.skidmore.edu> jrogoff@scott.skidmore.edu (jay rogoff) writes:
>While we're on the multipurpose subject, let's not forget Shea, which
>was designed to accommodate both the Mets & Jets. It was the first
>stadium (I think) to have the box seats on rollers so they could be
>oriented at right angles for baseball & in parallel for football.
Minor point: Shea Stadium was designed as a multi-purpose stadium but
not with the Jets in mind as the tennant. The New York Football Giants
had moved to Yankee Stadium (from the Polo Grounds) in 1958 and was
having problem with stadium management (the City did not own Yankee
Stadium until 1972). The idea was to get the Giants to move into Shea.
When a deal was worked out between the Giants and the Yankees the
new AFL franchise, the New York Titans, approached the City about using
the new stadium. The Titans were playing in Downing Stadium (where the
Cosmos played soccer in the 70s). Because Shea Stadium was tied into
the World's Fair anyway, the city thought it would be a novel idea to
promote the new franchise and the World's Fair (like they were doing
with the Mets). So the deal was worked out.
>Of course, with the Jets gone to Jersey (and a truly good football
>stadium), the Mets are saddled with a multipurpose stadium where,
>because it's circular, the seats are almost always too far from the
>action. The Mets announcers--Kiner & Murphy in particular--have
>always hyped it as "beautiful Shea
>Stadium," a tipoff to how unbeautiful it truly is.
I'm under the impression that when Murph says it, he means it! As a
regular goer to Shea, it is not a bad place since they've cleaned and
renovated the place. Remember, this is its 30th Year!
--
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scott@asd.com | mail mets-request@asd.com <<!
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| 9rec.sport.baseball |
sanjay@kin.lap.upenn.edu (Sanjay Sinha) writes:
>As summer approaches, the usual preparations are being made...
>Me was thinking of going for some overnite camping trips in the local
>state forests. For that I was planning to get a backpack/rucksack.
>The next question is how shall I carry the thing on the bike, given
>the metal frame and all. I have a big backrest (approx 12" high) and
>was hoping that I would be able to bungee cord the backpack to the backrest.
>Any one have any experiences on such experimentation?
>Taking the idea further, what would happen if the backpack was fully
>loaded with a full load (40lbs). Is the load distribution going to
>be very severly affected? How will the bike perform with such a load
>clinging to the back rest. If I really secure it, with no shifting,
>do I still increase my chances of surfing?
I ride my bike regularly to classes with my book bag. I take
the shoulder straps on the bag, and hook them around the rear turn
signals. I works fine. You probably will want to attach it with
a bungee cord to keep it from shifting to one side or another.
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I wonder how many atheists out there care to speculate on the face of the world
if atheists were the majority rather than the minority group of the population.
It is rather a ridiculous question in some ways, I know, but my newsreader is
down so I am not getting any new postings for a bit, so I figure I might as
well post something new myself.
Also, how many atheists out there would actually take the stance and accor a
higher value to their way of thinking over the theistic way of thinking. The
typical selfish argument would be that both lines of thinking evolved from the
same inherent motivation, so one is not, intrinsically, different from the
other, qualitatively. But then again a measuring stick must be drawn
somewhere, and if we cannot assign value to a system of beliefs at its core,
than the only other alternative is to apply it to its periphery; ie, how it
expresses its own selfishness.
Idle thoughts...
Adam
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* acooper@macalstr.edu they had no claws." *
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| 0alt.atheism |
In article <1qehi6$ork@armory.centerline.com>, jimf@centerline.com (Jim
Frost) writes:
> Ok, I'll give you a few reasons:
>
> 1. Neither car was designed to turn at those speeds.
> 2. Neither car was designed to stop quickly from those speeds.
> 3. Safety mechanisms were not designed for impacts at those speeds.
> 4. An uncontrolled environment leads to unpredictable circumstances
> where you might need to turn or stop with no notice.
Do you, by any chance own an SHO or have access to one, such that you
would have any idea what it is designed for or how it handles?
Just wondering...
Tom Pickett
tpickett@auspex.com or 74616.2237@compuserve.com
SHO GOZE
| 7rec.autos |
Jeff Haferman (haferman@icaen.uiowa.edu) wrote:
> Can somebody point me to source code for dumping the contents of
> an X-window into a color postscript file? I have written
> an app which brings up an X-window, and I want (at the click
> of the mouse) to dump the window into a postscript file.
> Thanks.
> Jeff Haferman internet: haferman@icaen.uiowa.edu
> Department of Mechanical Engineering DoD 0186 BMWMOA 44469 AMA 460140
> The University of Iowa
> Iowa City, IA 52242 '76 R90S
I use xwd and xwd2ps. To do it from within a program I use
xwd -id xxxxx where xxxxx is the window id obtained from XtWindow(widget).
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In article <1993Apr5.165122.19860@cs.cornell.edu> tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Theodorus RedSox Fannus] Fischer) writes:
>
>Sorry, this doesn't fly. The good players have *always* been ready
>for the majors early. How many HOFers were *not* contributing major
>leaguers by the time they were 22?
That brings up an interesting point. Anyone else catch ESPN's piece about
prospects and the relationship between age, career length, MVPs and Hall of
Fame members? It was part of their preseason special. Basically, they looked
at players that had amassed 1000 plate appearances (or ABs) by the time they
were 24, and noticed some interesting things.
For starters, they found out such players comprised the majority of MVPs in
the history of the game. They also found out such players represented the
majority of the players in the hall of fame. The kicker, though, was that
they actually did some number-crunching and found that such players' careers
lasted much longer than the careers of players not in that group. They also
found that these players produced at both a greater level of performance and
produced over twice the raw totals (HRs, etc) of the other players. The first
group outhit the second something like .282 to .260 in raw BA, and blew away
the second group in such categories as HRs, 2Bs, RBIs, etc.
It was the most impressive thing I've seen on ESPN in recent memory.
I guess Ray Knight makes his rebuttal tonight.
--
Dave Hung Like a Jim Acker Slider Kirsch Blue Jays - Do it again in '93
kirsch@staff.tc.umn.edu New .. quotes out of context!
"Not to beat a dead horse, but it's been a couple o' weeks .. this
disappoints me..punishments..discharges..jackhammering.." - Stephen Lawrence
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
Two years old Crate Guitar Amplifier model G80XL.
- Handles upto 80 Watts.
- Dual Input.
- Two channels.
- Reverb.
- Three band eq.
- Distortion.
I am asking $150.
(send me a mail to "thssjxy@iitmax.acc.iit.edu" if you are interested.)
Prices maybe negotiable.
| 6misc.forsale |
In article <1993Apr3.200829.2207@galaxy.gov.bc.ca> bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca writes:
>In article <C4wKFs.BC1@eskimo.com>, maven@eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes:
>> What protective gear is the most important? I've got a good helmet (shoei
>> rf200) and a good, thick jacket (leather gold) and a pair of really cheap
>> leather gloves... What should my next purchase be? Better gloves, boots,
>> leather pants, what?
IF you can remember to tuck properly, the bits that are going to take most
punishment with the gear you have will probably be your feet, then hips and
knees. Get boots then trousers. The gloves come last, as long as you've the
self control to pull your arms in when you tuck. If not, get good gloves
first - Hands are VERY easily wrecked if you put one down to steady your
fall at 70mph!! The other bits heal easier.
Once you are fully covered, you no longer tuck, just lie back and enjoy the
ride.
Best of all, take a mean of all the contradictory answers you get.
| 8rec.motorcycles |
In article <9753@blue.cis.pitt.edu> jagst18+@pitt.edu (Josh A Grossman) writes:
>In article <C5v9Du.D76@acsu.buffalo.edu> v111qheg@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (P.VASILION) writes:
>>Not necessarily. If the body had been denatured (cooked) or dehydrated due
>>to the heat, a projectile needs only a minimal kinetic force to penetrate.
>>In fire aftermaths, bodies tend to fall apart or loose large chunks of
>>meat with little effort. Medical Examiners tend not to like cleaning up
>>such scenes.
>>
>>As such, if the body had been suitably cooked, a bullet comming from a
>>magazine explosion would more than likely have enough force to enter and
>>thus it would be difficult to determine whether a bullet entered at the
>>time of death, or much later, unless you were trained to look for the
>>evidence. Texas Rangers are not pathologists.
>>
>>P.Vasilion
>
>This is quite corect, but a bullet hitting a burned body with little energy
>will show virtually no deformation, ie a hollow point probably would not
>expand, an FMJ would be "pristene". Also the bullets will not be marked
>with the lands ang grooves of a barrel, because they didn't come out of
>one. A good pathologist should be able to notice this right away.
>
>Let us hope that the ME's that handle these bodies are more competent
>then the ones who did JFK's body.
>
>JAG
>
Speaking of ME's. The FBI said the fire victims were found face-up
<fire victims, apparently, are usually found face down>
suggesting they died prior to the fire. The ME says, in a word,
BULLSHIT, the victims WERE face down. The FBI says they sent a body
of a victim that was shot, supposedly by BD guards, the ME
says, in a word, BULLSHIT, the body showed NO evidence of gunshot
wounds. Can the ATF/FBI tell the difference between CYA and truth?
--
+ Wayne J. Warf -- WWARF@ucs.indiana.edu -- I speak for myself only +
|*Clinton*Gore*CIA*FBI*DEA*Assassinate*Bomb*WoD*BoR*ATF*IRS*Resist*NSA* |
|*Christian*God*Satan*Apocalypse*ZOG*Nazi*Socialist*Communist*Explosive*|
+*fundamentalist*revolution*NSC*Federal Reserve*Constitution*gold*FEMA* +
| 16talk.politics.guns |
In article <ofnmaO_00iV1A6kYd2@andrew.cmu.edu> Young-Soo Che <yc25+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>All these people who send in their polls should take a closer look at
>NJD, they are a very deep team, with two very capable goalies, and
>excellent forwards and defensemen. Shooter in Richer, an all around do
>it all in Todd, chef Stasny-master of a thousand dishes, power play
>captain-Stevens. Take a look at the numbers, or play with them and see
>for yourselves.
Yup. I agree with ya. I think Devils can beat Red Wings easily. SO I think
all those who send in their votes should try all these diffrent teams
before voting. I think Islanders and Quebec are much better then I had
expected.
COBRA
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** ___ ____ ____ ____ ____ ** **
** / / / /___/ /___/ /___/ ** Sex is not the answer, sex is the **
** /___ /___/ /___/ / \_ / / ** question. Yes is the answer. **
** ** **
** E-mail: cobra@chopin.udel.edu ** **
** ** **
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| 10rec.sport.hockey |
The European version is called 200 SX and have a 1.8 liter engine with
turbo and have more power than the US version ( 169 HP ); it goes from
0 to 100 Km/h in 7.5 sec and have a top speed of 225 Km/h ( 140 miles/h ).
I just purchased one ( new ) and I am looking for a repair book. I could
not find one in FRANCE and GERMANY; does anybody knows where to find one ?
Is there one in the UK ?
Probabaly no use to look in the US as the 240 SX have here a different motor.
I am very pleased with the car and have no problem with it; but like to have
good technical documentation about the car I own.
Regards
| 7rec.autos |
***** FORSALE *****
Intel i486DX-33 CPU
Price: $300
Must sell immediately.
Andie Wei-Ku Lin
----------------
awlin@eagle.wesleyan.edu
| 6misc.forsale |
Todays New York TImes just wrote about a pact being negotiated
between us and the Russians to develope High Temperature
Gas Cooled Fission Reactors using Re-Cycled Weapons Grade plutonium
from Warhead stockpiles. THe fuel will be pelletized in ceramic
for safety, and then after depletion will be sufficiently
contaminated with by-products to make extraction of the remaining
plutonium hazardous enough to deter re-use.
Apparently the project will be led by General Atomics of San Diego
with funding from the US GOvernment. THe pilot plant will be built
and operated by the russians.
pat
| 14sci.space |
FOR SALE:
Orchid Fareheit 1280 24bit color card
-1 meg
-almost new
$200 or best offer
This is a post for a friend
Call him (Thuan Pho) at 314-368-3624
T.J. Houchin
| 6misc.forsale |
In article <1993Apr16.142935.535@cs.yale.edu> karage@scus1.ctstateu.edu (Angelos Karageorgiou Greek and Macedon the only combination) writes:
>
> Ok. My Aykut., what about the busload of Greek turists that was
>torched, and all the the people in the buis died. Happened oh, about 5
>years ago in Instanbul.
> What about the Greeks in the islands of Imbros and tenedos, they
>are not allowed to have churches any more, instead momama turkey has
>turned the church into a warehouse, I got a picture too.
> What about the pontian Greeks of Trapezounta and Sampsounta,
>what you now call Trabzon and Sampson, they spoke a 2 thousand year alod
>language, are there any left that still speek or were they Islamicised?
> Before we start another flamefest , and before you start quoting
>Argic all over again, or was it somebody else?, please think. I know it
>is a hard thing to do for somebody not equipped , but try nevertheless.
> If Turks in Greece were so badly mistreated how come they
>elected two,m not one but two, representatives in the Greek government?
>How come they have free(absolutely free) hospitalization and education?
>Do the Turks in Turkey have so much?If they do then you have every right
>to shout, untill then you can also move to Greece and enjoy those
>privileges. But I forget , for you do study in a foreign university,
>some poor shod is tiling the earth with his own sweat.
> BTW is Aziz Nessin still writing poetry? I'd like to read some
>of his new stuff. Also who was the guy that wrote "On the mountains of
>Tayros." ? please respond kindly to the last two questions, I am
>interested in finding more books from these two people.
>
>
>-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>Yeian kai Eytyxeian | The opinions expressed above are nobody else's but
>Angelos Karageorgiou | mine,MINE,MIIINNE,MIIINNEEEE,aaaarrgghhhh..(*&#$$*((+_$%
>Live long & Prosper | NO CARRIER
>-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>> Any and all mail sent to me , can and will be used in any manner <
>> whatsoever. I may repost or publicise parts of messages or whole <
>> messages. If you disagree, please exercise your freedom of speech <
>> and don't send me anything. <
Dear Mr. Karageorgiou,
I would like to clarify several misunderstandings in your posting. First the bus incident which I believe was in Canakkale three years ago, was done by a mentally ill person who killed himself afterwards. The Pontus Greeks were ex- changedwith Turks in Greece in 1923. I have to logout now since my Greek friend
Yiorgos here wants to use the computer. Well, I'll be back.Asta la vista baby.
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
Greetings!
Sorry for the typos.
clipper hooks.
Al
The plugs are supposed to have a black and a red mini-
| 6misc.forsale |
SOMEONE PLEASE BUY THESE BOOKS!!!!! I AM NOT ASKING MUCH!!!!!!
JUST MAKE ME AN OFFER AND I WILL PROBABLY TAKE IT!!!!!
* Writing good software in Fortran, Graham Smith.
* The Holt Handbook by Kirszner & Mandell (copyright 1986) 720+ page writing guide.
* General Chemistry Principles & Modern Applications, R. Petrucci, fourth
edition. Big Book! Very good condition!
* Solutions manual for Chemistry book. Paperback.
* Study guide for Chemistry book. Paperback.
Send me your offers via email at 02106@chopin.udel.edu
Sam
02106@chopin.udel.edu
| 6misc.forsale |
The Institute for Historical Review is lying again. They have
claimed that this memorial was paid for with taxpayer money. The
memorial was paid for with private donations, not tax money.
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
For sale : Red Honda Scooter (150cc)
Need m/c license
Max speed - 63 mph
Gas mileage - 74 mpg
Max wt - 250 lbs
Odo. reading - 3000 miles
- it has only been out of the factory for 3 years
- very low mileage
Original Owner - all paperwork available
Very thorough tune-ups quarterly
Year - 1986
Body - Not a scratch, garaged and covered always
Cover and 2 helmets included
Good for student or light commuter or for fun :)
$1300 or best offer
e-mail or call in evenings
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(919)833-8431
I live in North Carolina (Raleigh) and will be moving to Indiana
May 15th, so I could drop it off somewhere inbetween.
| 6misc.forsale |
Andrew Bulhak (ins559n@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au) wrote:
: Jim Kasprzak (kasprj@isaac.its.rpi.edu) wrote:
: : In article <=4z5wqc@rpi.edu>, weinss@rs6101.ecs.rpi.edu (Stephen Andrew Weinstein) writes:
: : So what is Kibology? Chopped liver?
: Kibo Himself summed it up by saying "Kibology is not just a religion, it is
: also a candy mint ... and a floor wax." I personally think that it is more
: like Spam Clear.
: :
I'm presently searching for enlightenment, answers to the unanswerable,
a certain amount of direction without actually going anywhere.
Could Kibology be it? I don't know enough about Kibology and wish that
someone can help me.
After I've spread my ninth tube of anchovy paste on my living room
wall to creat my own form of art I need some higher authority to
turn towards to give my life some meaning. Maybe Kibology is the
answer. It's either that or I go out to the store and buy up another
case of anchovy paste.
| 19talk.religion.misc |
In article <16BB28ABD.DSHAL@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu>, DSHAL@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu writes:
> It seems that President Clinton can recognize Jerusalem as Israels capitol
> while still keeping his diplomatic rear door open by stating that the Parties
> concerned should decide the city's final status. Even as I endorse Clintons vie
> w (of course), it is definitely a matter to be decided upon by Israel (and
> other participating neighboring contries).
> I see no real conflict in stating both views, nor expect any better from
> politicians.
> -----
> David Shalhevet / dshal@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu / University of Illinois
> Dept Anim Sci / 220 PABL / 1201 W. Gregory Dr. / Urbana, IL 61801
I was trying to avoid a discussion of the whether Clintons views
should be endorsed or not. All I was trying to find out was
whether the newspaper article was correct in making these
statements about the President by obtaining some information
about when and where he made these statements.
Thank you.
Ben.
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
Archive-name: Xt-FAQ
Version: $Id: FAQ-Xt,v 1.28 93/04/02 12:41:12 ware Exp $
The X Toolkit Intrinsics F.A.Q
A monthly posting
This article contains the answers to some Frequently Asked Questions
(FAQ) from comp.windows.x about the X Toolkit Intrinsics. To submit
questions (preferably with an answer) send email to: ware@cis.ohio-state.edu
Many FAQs, including this one, are available on the archive site
rtfm.mit.edu in the directory pub/usenet/news.answers. The name
under which a FAQ is archived appears in the Archive-name
line at the top of the article. This FAQ is archived as Xt-FAQ.
All code fragments are public domain.
Contents
0. Xt Glossary
1. Software Versions
2. Related FAQ's
3. Why does my application core dump when I use signals/alarms/cthreads?
4. How do I use a different visual than the default?
5. Which visual should an application use?
6. Why do only Shell widgets have a Visual?
7. Which visual, depth and colormap do Shells inherit?
8. I've done all the above and I still get a BadMatch error. Why?
9. Why doesn't my widget get destroyed when I call XtDestroyWidget()?
10. How do I exit but still execute the DestroyCallbacks?
11. How do I resize a Shell widget?
12. Why can't XtAppAddInput() handle files?
13. What good books and magazines are there on Xt?
14. What Widgets are available?
15. What alternatives to the Intrinsics are there?
16. How do I pass a float value to XtSetValues?
17. How do I write a resource converter?
18. How do I open multiple displays?
19. What changed from R3 to R4 to R5?
20. Where are the resources loaded from?
21. What order are callbacks executed in?
22. How do I know if a widget is visible?
23. How do I reparent a widget in Xt, i.e. XtReparentWidget()?
24. Why use XtMalloc, XtFree, etc?
25. How to debug an Xt application?
26. Why don't XtAddInput(), XtAddTimeout() and XtAddWorkProc() work?
27. What is and how can I implement drag and drop?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
0. Xt Glossary
----------------------------------------------------------------------
o The Xt Intrinsics implement an object oriented interface to C code
to allow useful graphical components to be created. Included with
this are classes that provide the base functionality: Object,
RectObj, Core, Composite, Constraint, Shell, OverrideShell, WMShell,
etc. The terms "Xt" and "Intrinsics" are used interchangeably,
however, they are used very precisely to mean a specific library of the X
window system. In particular, it does not include the Athena,
Motif, OLIT or any other widget set. Without further widgets the
Intrinsics are not especially useful.
o A widget refers to a user interface abstraction created via Xt. The
precise use, is any object that is a subclass of the Core class. It
is used loosely to refer to anything that is a subclass of the
Object class although these are more accurately called windowless
widgets or gadgets.
o Xlib is the C interface to the X11 protocol. It is one layer below
the Xt Intrinsics. Typically a widget uses relatively few Xlib
functions because Xt provides most such services although an
understanding of Xlib helps with problems.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
1. Software Versions
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The following are the latest versions of Xt based software:
_____________________________________________________________
Software Version Released Next Expected
_____________________________________________________________
X11R4 patch 18 (none)
X11R5 patch 21 12/18/92 ??
Athena Widgets (see X11R5)
Motif 1.2.1 9/92 ??
OLIT ?? ?? ??
Xtra 2.5 6/15/92 ??
Xw X11R4 (none)
Xcu X11R5 (none)
fwf 3.4 1/11/92 4/93
_____________________________________________________________
----------------------------------------------------------------------
2. Related FAQ's
----------------------------------------------------------------------
David B. Lewis (uunet!craft!faq) maintains the FAQ on X. It
is posted monthly on comp.windows.x and located on export in contrib/FAQ.
Liam R. E. Quin (lee@sq.sq.com) posts an FAQ list on Open Look to
comp.windows.x.
Jan Newmarch (jan@pandonia.canberra.edu.au) posts an FAQ list on Motif
to comp.windows.x.motif.
Peter Ware (ware@cis.ohio-state.edu) posts an FAQ list for
comp.windows.x.intrinsics; it is on export in contrib/FAQ-Xt.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
3. Why does my application core dump when I use signals/alarms/cthreads?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
In brief, Xlib, Xt and most widget sets have no mutual exclusion for
critical sections. Any interrupt handler is likely to leave one of
the above libraries in an inconsistent state -- such as all the
appropriate flags not yet set, dangling pointers, in the middle of a
list traversal, etc. Note that the ANSI C standard points out that
behavior of a signal handler is undefined if the signal handler calls
any function other than signal() itself, so this is not a problem
specific to Xlib and Xt; the POSIX specification mentions other
functions which may be called safely but it may not be assumed that
these functions are called by Xlib or Xt functions.
The only safe way to deal with signals is to set a flag in the
interrupt handler. This flag later needs to be checked either by a
work procedure or a timeout callback. It is incorrect to add either
of these in the interrupt handler. As another note, it is dangerous
to add a work procedure that never finishes. This effectively
preempts any work procedures previously added and so they will never
be called. Another option is to open a pipe, tell the event loop
about the read end using XtAppAddInput() and then the signal handler
can write a byte to the write end of the pipe for each signal.
However, this could deadlock your process if the pipe fills up.
Why don't the Intrinsics deal with this problem? Primarily because it
is supposed to be a portable layer to any hardware and operating
system. Is that a good enough reason -- I don't think so.
Note: the article in The X Journal 1:4 and the example in O'Reilly
Volume 6 are in error.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
4. How do I use a different visual than the default?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This requires a more complicated answer than it should. A window has
three things that are visual specific -- the visual, colormap and
border pixmap. All widgets have their own Colormap and BorderPixmap
resource; only shell widgets have Visual resources (another questions
deals with why shells have a Visual). The default value of these
resources is CopyFromParent which does exactly what it says. In the
shell widget CopyFromParent gets evalulated as DefaultVisualOfScreen
and DefaultColormapOfScreen. When any one of the three resources is
not properly set, a BadMatch error occurs when the window is
created. They are not properly set because each of the values depends
on the visual being used.
How to get this to work? There are two parts to the answer. The
first is if you want an application to start with a particular visual
and the second is if you want a particular shell within an application
to start with a different visual. The second is actually easier
because the basic information you need is available. The first is a
little harder because you'll need to initialize much of the toolkit
yourself in order to determine the needed information.
/*
* Some sample code to start up an application using something other
* than the default visual.
*
* To compile:
* cc -g visual.c -o visual -lXaw -lXmu -lXt -lXext -lX11 -lm
*
* To run:
* ./visual -geometry 300x300 -depth 24 -visual StaticColor -fg blue -bg yellow
*
* you need to move the mouse to get the particular visuals colormap
* to install.
*/
#include <X11/Intrinsic.h>
#include <X11/StringDefs.h>
#include <X11/Shell.h>
typedef struct
{
Visual *visual;
int depth;
} OptionsRec;
OptionsRec Options;
XtResource resources[] =
{
{"visual", "Visual", XtRVisual, sizeof (Visual *),
XtOffsetOf (OptionsRec, visual), XtRImmediate, NULL},
{"depth", "Depth", XtRInt, sizeof (int),
XtOffsetOf (OptionsRec, depth), XtRImmediate, NULL},
};
XrmOptionDescRec Desc[] =
{
{"-visual", "*visual", XrmoptionSepArg, NULL},
{"-depth", "*depth", XrmoptionSepArg, NULL}
};
int
main (argc, argv)
int argc;
char **argv;
{
XtAppContext app; /* the application context */
Widget top; /* toplevel widget */
Display *dpy; /* display */
char **xargv; /* saved argument vector */
int xargc; /* saved argument count */
Colormap colormap; /* created colormap */
XVisualInfo vinfo; /* template for find visual */
XVisualInfo *vinfo_list; /* returned list of visuals */
int count; /* number of matchs (only 1?) */
Arg args[10];
Cardinal cnt;
char *name = "test";
char *class = "Test";
/*
* save the command line arguments
*/
xargc = argc;
xargv = (char **) XtMalloc (argc * sizeof (char *));
bcopy ((char *) argv, (char *) xargv, argc * sizeof (char *));
/*
* The following creates a _dummy_ toplevel widget so we can
* retrieve the appropriate visual resource.
*/
cnt = 0;
top = XtAppInitialize (&app, class, Desc, XtNumber (Desc), &argc, argv,
(String *) NULL, args, cnt);
dpy = XtDisplay (top);
cnt = 0;
XtGetApplicationResources (top, &Options, resources,
XtNumber (resources),
args, cnt);
cnt = 0;
if (Options.visual && Options.visual != DefaultVisualOfScreen (XtScreen (top)))
{
XtSetArg (args[cnt], XtNvisual, Options.visual); ++cnt;
/*
* Now we create an appropriate colormap. We could
* use a default colormap based on the class of the
* visual; we could examine some property on the
* rootwindow to find the right colormap; we could
* do all sorts of things...
*/
colormap = XCreateColormap (dpy,
RootWindowOfScreen (XtScreen (top)),
Options.visual,
AllocNone);
XtSetArg (args[cnt], XtNcolormap, colormap); ++cnt;
/*
* Now find some information about the visual.
*/
vinfo.visualid = XVisualIDFromVisual (Options.visual);
vinfo_list = XGetVisualInfo (dpy, VisualIDMask, &vinfo, &count);
if (vinfo_list && count > 0)
{
XtSetArg (args[cnt], XtNdepth, vinfo_list[0].depth);
++cnt;
XFree ((XPointer) vinfo_list);
}
}
XtDestroyWidget (top);
/*
* Now create the real toplevel widget.
*/
XtSetArg (args[cnt], XtNargv, xargv); ++cnt;
XtSetArg (args[cnt], XtNargc, xargc); ++cnt;
top = XtAppCreateShell ((char *) NULL, class,
applicationShellWidgetClass,
dpy, args, cnt);
/*
* Display the application and loop handling all events.
*/
XtRealizeWidget (top);
XtAppMainLoop (app);
return (0);
}
----------------------------------------------------------------------
5. Which visual should an application use?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is a point that can be argued about but one opinion is there is
no way for an application to know the appropriate visual -- it has to
be specified by the user. If you disagree with this then your
application probably falls into the category of always using the
default visual or it is hardware specific and expects some particular
visual such as 24bit TrueColor with an OverlayPlane extension (or some
such).
Why? No application runs in isolation. Depending on the way a server
allocates resources I may not always want your application to run in
TrueColor mode if it is going to mess up my other applications. I may
be very upset if it chooses to run in GreyScale instead of PsuedoColor
or just monochrome.
As an example, on a low end color Sun server there are many different
possible visuals: monochrome, 256 entry colormap, static gray, static
color, and a 3/3/2 TrueColor. The SGI Iris's offer all the above
plus 12 bit TrueColor, 24 bit TrueColor, an Overlay Plane.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
6. Why do only Shell widgets have a Visual?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is strictly by convention. It makes it possible for an arbitrary
widget to know that the visual it uses can be found by looking for the
shell widget that is its ancestor and obtaining the visual of that
shell.
A widget can have its own visual resource. If it does, it must have
its own realize method to use the visual when it calls
XCreateWindow(). You should also make this a resource that can be
obtained with XtGetValues() so other widgets can find it. A
reasonable value is probably XtNvisual.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
7. Which visual, depth and colormap do Shells inherit?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The default value for these resources are set to CopyFromParent. This
is interpreted as the DefaultColormapOfScreen(), DefaultDepthOfScreen()
and the default visual of the screen if the widget has no parent -- i.e.
it is an applicationShellWidgetClass and the root of your widget tree.
If the parent of the widget is not null, then the shell copies
colormap and depth from its parent and uses CopyFromParent as the
visual.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
8. I've done all the above and I still get a BadMatch error. Why?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Some resource converters improperly cache references. This was
especially true of X11R3 and earlier versions of Motif.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
9. Why doesn't my widget get destroyed when I call XtDestroyWidget()?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
See section 2.8 of the Xt specification.
It eventually does get destroyed, just not immediately. The
Intrinsics destroy a widget in a two-phase process. First it and all
of its children have a flag set that indicate it is being destroyed.
It is then put on a list of widgets to be destroyed. This way any
pending X events or further references to that widget can be cleaned
up before the memory is actually freed. The second phase is then
performed after all callbacks, event handlers, and actions have
completed, before checking for the next X event. At this point the
list is traversed and each widget's memory is actually free()'d, among
other things.
As some further caveats/trivia, the widgets may be destroyed if the
Intrinsics determine that they have no further references to the
widgets on the list. If so, then the phase 2 destruction occurs
immediately. Also, if nested event loops are used, widgets placed on
the destroy list before entering the inner event loop are not
destroyed until returning to the outer event loop.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
10. How do I exit but still execute the DestroyCallbacks?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The problem is if a simple and entirely reasonable approach to exiting
an application is used, such as calling exit() directly, then a widget
may not have a chance to clean up any external state -- such as open
sockets, temporary files, allocated X resources, etc. (this code for
simplicity reasons assumes only a single toplevel widget):
Widget
ToplevelGet (gw)
Widget gw; /* widget to find toplevel */
{
Widget top;
for (top = gw; XtParent (top); top = XtParent (top))
/* empty */;
return (top);
}
void
ExitCallback (gw, closure, call_data)
Widget gw; /* widget */
XtPointer closure; /* data the app specified */
XtPointer call_data; /* widget specific data */
{
Widget toplevel;
toplevel = ToplevelGet (gw);
XtUnmapWidget (toplevel); /* make it disappear quickly */
XtDestroyWidget (toplevel);
exit (0);
}
One can see that the above code exit's immediately after destroying
the toplevel widget. The trouble is the phase 2 destruction may never
occur.
This works for most widgets and most applications but will not work
for those widgets that have any external state. You might think that
since it works now it will always work but remember that part of the
reason an object oriented approach is used is so one can be ignorant
of the implementation details for each widget. Which means that the
widget may change and someday require that some external state is
cleaned up by the Destroy callbacks.
One alternative is to modify ExitCallback() to set a global flag and
then test for that flag in a private event loop. However, private
event loops are frowned upon because it tends to encourage sloppy, and
difficult to maintain practices.
Try the following code instead.
#include <X11/Intrinsic.h>
extern Widget ToplevelGet (
#if NeedFunctionPrototypes
Widget gw
#endif
);
extern Boolean ExitWorkProc (
#if NeedFunctionPrototypes
XtPointer closure
#endif
);
extern void ExitCallback (
#if NeedFunctionPrototypes
Widget gw,
XtPointer closure,
XtPointer call_data
#endif
);
Widget
ToplevelGet (gw)
Widget gw; /* widget to find toplevel */
{
Widget top;
for (top = gw; XtParent (top); top = XtParent (top))
/* empty */;
return (top);
}
void
ExitCallback (gw, closure, call_data)
Widget gw; /* widget */
XtPointer closure; /* data the app specified */
XtPointer call_data; /* widget specific data */
{
Widget toplevel;
toplevel = ToplevelGet (gw);
XtUnmapWidget (toplevel); /* make it disappear quickly */
XtDestroyWidget (toplevel);
XtAppAddWorkProc (XtWidgetToApplicationContext (gw),
ExitWorkProc, (XtPointer) NULL);
}
Boolean
ExitWorkProc (closure)
XtPointer closure;
{
exit (0);
/*NOTREACHED*/
}
ExitCallback() adds a work procedure that will get called when the
application is next idle -- which happens after all the events are
processed and the destroy callbacks are executed.
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11. How do I resize a Shell widget?
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After it is realized, one doesn't resize a Shell widget. The proper
thing is to resize the currently managed child of the Shell widget
using XtSetValues(). The geometry change is then propagated to the
Shell which asks the window manager which may or may not allow the
request. However, the Shell must have the resource
XtNallowShellResize set to True otherwise it will not even ask the
window manager to grant the request and the Shell will not resize.
To change the position of a Shell, use XtSetValues() on the Shell, not
the child, and within the limits of the window manager it should be granted.
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12. Why can't XtAppAddInput() handle files?
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It does, however Unix semantics for when I/O is ready for a file does
not fit most peoples' intuitive model. In Unix terms a file
descriptor is ready for reading whenever the read() call would not
block, ignoring the setting of optional flags that indicate not to
block. This works as expected for terminals, sockets and pipes. For
a file the read() will always return but the return indicates an EOF
-- i.e. no more data. The result is the code in the Intrinsics always
calls the input handler because it always thinks something is about to
be read. The culprit is the select() system call or on SYSV based
OS's it is the poll() system call.
How to get around this on a Unix system? The best approach is to use
another process to check for available input on the file. Use a pipe
to connect the application with this other process and pass the file
descriptor from the pipe to XtAppAddInput(). A suitable program on
BSD systems is "tail -f filename".
It's rumored that select() on some systems is not _completely_
reliable. In particular:
- IBM AIX 3.1: this is one where it would work for a while
(several thousand times) and then stop until some other
event woke it up. This seemed to be the result of a race
condition in the Kernel. IBM claims to have a fix for this.
- Pyramid, doesn't work at all.
- Ultrix (and possibly others where pipes are implemented as
sockets), wasn't completely broken, but although the writing
side wrote in 512 byte blocks the reading side received it
all broken up as if it was being put into the pipe a byte at
a time. You can waste a lot of time by reading small blocks
(get raound it by detecting the situation and having
select() ignore the pipe for 10 mseconds - by then it had
been given the whole block).
Note that all the above descriptions used Unix terminology such as
read(), file descriptor, pipes, etc. This is an OS dependent area and
may not be identical on all systems. However the Intrinsic designers
felt it was a common enough operation that it should be included with
part of the toolkit. Why they didn't also deal with signals at this
point I don't know.
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13. What good books and magazines are there on Xt?
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I have a favorite that is the definitive reference. To my perspective
it offers a reasonable introduction but also goes into the full
details of the Intrinsics. When I started using it I was already
familiar with Xt and the concepts behind it, so newcomers may or may
not find it useful. I've always found it accurate and complete, which
means its a 1000 pages.
Asente, Paul J., and Swick, Ralph R., "X Window System Toolkit, The
Complete Programmer's Guide and Specification", Digital Press,
1990, ISBN 1-55558-051-3, order number EY-E757E-DP; and by
Prentice-Hall, ISBN 0-13-972191-6. Also available through DEC
Direct at 1-800-DIGITAL.
The other book I commonly recomend to novices is:
Young, Doug. "The X Window System: Applications and Programming with
Xt (Motif Version)," Prentice Hall, 1989 (ISBN 0-13-497074-8).
(ISBN 0-13-972167-3)
And of course O'Reilly has an entire series of manuals on X and Xt.
O'Reilly ordering is 800-998-9938. In particular, Volume 5 is an Xt
reference done in manual page style. The 3rd edition is extensively
overhauled and goes far beyond the MIT manual pages. I'm finding it
very useful. In particular, the permutted index and references to
other manual pages help a great deal in chasing down related
information.
I read two periodicals, "The X Resource" and the "The X Journal".
These are the only two dealing specifically with X. "The X Resource"
is published quarterly, by O'Reilly, with one of the issues being the
MIT X Consortium Technical Conference Proceedings. There is no
advertising. I've found it informative with pretty good depth. For
orders, call 1-800-998-9938, or email cathyr@ora.com. For editorial
matters, email adrian@ora.com. Table of contents are posted at
math.utah.edu in ~ftp/pub/tex/bib in TeX form and on ftp.uu.net in
~ftp/published/oreilly/xresource in ASCII form.
"The X Journal" is a bimonthly trade rag with lots of advertising.
The articles are informative and oriented toward a less technical
audience. I read it more to see what's going on then with an
expectation of learning a great deal (but remember, I represent a
fairly small percentage of people). Also, they have a pretty good
collection of people on the advisory board and as columnists. Call
(908) 563-9033.
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14. What Widgets are available?
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There are three popular widget sets:
Athena - The set provided with X11. This is sufficient for most
purposes but is on the ugly side. Recently, a 3d look is
available for ftp on export.lcs.mit.edu:/contrib/Xaw3d.tar.Z.
Motif - From OSF available for a license fee and commonly shipped on
many workstation vendors platforms (almost everyone but
Sun). It looks good and works well but personally I think
it is poorly implemented.
OLIT - The Open Look Intrinsics Toolkit is a set of widgets
implementing Sun's Open Look specification. Developed by
AT&T. I've never used it so can't comment on its quality.
I've heard rumours that it is a pain to actually get.
In addition the following collection of widgets are also available:
Xtra - a library of widgets for sale from Graphical Software
Technology (310-328-9338). It includes bar graph, stacked
bar graph, line graph, pie chart, xy plot, hypertext, help,
spreadsheet, and data entry form widgets. I've never seen
them so I can't comment.
FWF - The Free Widget Foundation is attempting to collect a set of
freely available widgets. Included are a Pixmap editor,
FileDialog, and a few others. The current set of widgets
can be obtained via anonymous ftp from the machine
a.cs.uiuc.edu (128.174.252.1) in the file pub/fwf.shar.Z.
Xcu - The Cornell University widgets from Gene Dykes. One of the
early widget sets released. Provides a nice appearance for
buttons and has a mini command language. Probably not so
widely used.
Xs - The Sony widget set. This was around during R3 days but
seemed to disappear. It looked like it had promise.
Xw - The HP widgets. The precursor to Motif. Originally written
for R3 there exists diffs to get it to work under R4 & R5.
Again, a pretty good widget set but has more or less died.
The precursor to this was the Xray toolkit which was
originally implemented for X10R4 and apparently provided
much experience for the designers of Xt.
Xo - A widget set I'm working on. It's still primitive but you
can give it a try in archive.cis.ohio-state.edu:pub/Xo/*
The following specialized widgets are also available:
Tbl - Implements a tabular layout of widgets. Supports Motif
widgets as children. Part of Wcl.
Plots - The Athena Plotting widgets (not the Athena widgets).
Contact gnb@bby.oz.au or joe@Athena.MIT.EDU.
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15. What alternatives to the Intrinsics are there?
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__________________________________________
Name Language Vendor
__________________________________________
Xview C Sun
OI C++ ParcPlace
Interviews C++ Stanford
Tcl/tk C sprite.berkeley.edu
__________________________________________
However much I like C and admire the skill in both designing and
implementing the Intrinsics, hopefully some alternative will develop
in the next 3-5 years that uses an object oriented language. Keep
your eyes open and expect some change about the same time a language
other than C _starts_ gaining acceptance.
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16. How do I pass a float value to XtSetValues?
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First, what is going wrong is the structure for an Arg is (essentially)
typdef struct
{
String name;
long value;
} Arg;
and the code:
Arg arg;
XtSetArg (arg, "name", 3.2)
expands to
Arg arg;
arg.name = "name";
arg.value = 3.2;
you can see that with normal C type conversions, the arg.value
gets the integer "3" instead of the floating point value "3.2". When
the value is copied into the widget resource, the bit pattern is
wildly different than that required for a floating point value. So,
how to get around this?
The following macro is from the Athena widgets document and I am now
recomending it over the previous suggestions.
#define XtSetFloatArg(arg, n, d) \
if (sizeof(float) > sizeof(XtArgVal)) { \
XtSetArg(arg, n, &(d)); \
} else { \
XtArgVal *ld = (XtArgVal *)&(d); \
XtSetArg(arg, n, *ld); \
}
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17. How do I write a resource converter?
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Courtesy of Rich Thomson (rthomson@dsd.es.com):
The following discussion of resource converters assumes R4 (or R5)
Intrinsics. Resource converters changed between R3 and R4 to allow
for destructors and caching of converted values.
There are several main types of resource converters:
string to data type
data type to string
data type to data type
i) string to data type
Usually a string to data type converter has a fixed set of strings
that will be converted to data type values. This is most often
used to map enumerated names to enumerated values:
Name Value
"True" 1
"False" 0
In this case, the string to data type converter needs to compare
the resource value to the list of fixed strings. This is most
readily accomplished by the use of the "quark" mechanism of the
resource manager. The resource value is turned into a quark,
which is a unique representation of the string that fits into a
single word. Then the resource quark is compared against the
quarks for the fixed strings representing the enumerated values.
If there are many enumerated strings in the converter (or many
converters, each with a small number of enumeration strings), then
a global initialization routine might be used to turn all the
resource strings into quarks. That way, the first time one of
these converters is used, the strings will be turned into quarks
and held in static variables for use in the next invocation of one
of the converters.
ii) data type to string
This type of converter is slightly easier than the string to data
type converters since the use of quarks isn't necessary. Instead,
the data type value is simply converted to a string value,
probably by the use of sprintf.
Data type to string converters are useful for applications that
wish to convert an internal data type value into a string so that
they can write out a valid resource specification to a file. This
mechanism can be used to provide a "snapshot" of application state
into a file. This snapshot can be used to restore the program to
a known state via the usual X resource database mechanisms.
If you are taking the trouble to write a string to data type
converter, it isn't much extra effort to write the data type to
string converter. Writing both at the same time helps to ensure
that they are consistent.
iii) data type to data type
This type of converter is used to convert an existing data type
value to another data type. For instance, an X pixel value can be
converted to an RGB data type that contains separate fields for
red, green and blue.
The type signature for a resource converter is as follows:
typedef Boolean (*XtTypeConverter)(Display *, XrmValuePtr, Cardinal *,
XrmValuePtr, XrmValuePtr, XtPointer *);
Display *dpy;
XrmValuePtr args;
Cardinal *num_args;
XrmValuePtr fromVal;
XrmValuePtr toVal;
XtPointer *converter_data;
When the converter is invoked, the "fromVal" argument points to the source
X resource manager value and the "toVal" argument points to the
destination X resource manager value. The "converter_data" argument
is an opaque pointer to some converter-specific data that is specified
when the converter is registered. The "args" and "num_args" arguments
allow extra information to be passed to the converter when it is
invoked. For instance, the Pixel to RGB structure converter discussed
above would need colormap and visual arguments in which to lookup the
Pixel to obtain the RGB values corresponding to that pixel.
Care must be taken with the "toVal" argument. An XrmValue has the
following type definition and specifies a size and location for a
converted value:
typedef struct {
unsigned int size;
caddr_t addr;
} XrmValue, *XrmValuePtr;
When the converter is invoked, the address may point to a location of
the given size for the converted value or the location can be NULL.
In the former case, the converter should ensure that the size of the
destination area is large enough to handle the converted value. If
the destination area is not large enough, then the converter should
set the size to the amount of space needed and return False. The
caller can then ensure that enough space is allocated and reinvoke the
converter. If the size is large enough, then the converter can simply
copy the converted value into the space given and return True.
If the location is NULL, then the converter can assign the location to
the address of a static variable containing the converted value and
return True.
When writing a group of converters, this code is often repeated and it
becomes convenient to define a macro:
#define DONE(var, type) \
if (toVal->addr) \
{ \
if (toVal->size < sizeof(type)) \
{ \
toVal->size = sizeof(type); \
return False; \
} \
else \
*((type *) toVal->addr) = var; \
} \
else \
toVal->addr = (caddr_t) &var; \
toVal->size = sizeof(type); \
return True;
#define DONESTR(str) \
if (toVal->addr && toVal->size < sizeof(String)) \
{ \
toVal->size = sizeof(String); \
return False; \
} \
else \
toVal->addr = (caddr_t) str; \
toVal->size = sizeof(String); \
return True;
Inside the converter, it is a good idea to perform a little safety
checking on the "num_args" and "args" arguments to ensure that your
converter is being called properly.
Once you have written your converter, you need to register it with the
Intrinsics. The Intrinsics invokes resource converters when creating
widgets and fetching their resource values from the resource database.
To register a converter with a single application context, use
XtAppSetTypeConverter:
void XtAppSetTypeConverter(context, from, to, converter, args, num_args,
cache, destructor)
XtAppContext context;
String from;
String to;
XtTypeConverter converter;
XtConvertArgList args;
Cardinal num_args;
XtCacheType cache;
XtDestructor destructor;
To register a converter with all application contexts, use
XtSetTypeConverter:
void XtSetTypeConverter(from, to, converter, args, num_args,
cache, destructor)
String from;
String to;
XtTypeConverter converter;
XtConvertArgList args;
Cardinal num_args;
XtCacheType cache;
XtDestructor destructor;
In the R3 Intrinsics, there were the routines XtAppAddConverter and
XtAddConverter; these have been superseded by XtAppSetTypeConverter
and XtSetTypeConverter. Whenever possible, the newer routines should be
used.
When a converter is registered with the Intrinsics, a "cache" argument
specifies how converted resource values are to be cached:
XtCacheNone Don't cache any converted values
XtCacheAll Cache all converted values
XtCacheByDisplay Cache converted values on a per display basis
Caching converted values that require a round-trip to the server is a
good idea (for instance string to Pixel conversions).
The "destructor" argument is a routine that is invoked then the
resource is destroyed, either because its cached reference count has
been decremented to zero or because the widget owning the value is
being destroyed. XtDestructor has the following type definition:
typedef void (*XtDestructor)(XtAppContext, XrmValuePtr, XtPointer,
XrmValuePtr, Cardinal *);
XtAppContext context;
XrmValuePtr to;
XtPointer converter_data;
XrmValuePtr args;
Cardinal *num_args;
The destructor is invoked to free any auxiliary storage associated
with the "to" argument, but does not actually free the storage pointed
to by the "to" argument itself (to->addr). The destructor is passed
the extra arguments that were passed to the converter when the
conversion was performed (for instance, colormap and visual arguments
for the string to Pixel converter since the destructor would need to
free the allocated Pixel from the colormap) as well as the private
data passed in when the converter was registered.
Sample converter code can be found in the following files in the MIT
R5 distribution:
mit/lib/Xt/Converters.c
contrib/lib/PEXt/Converters.c
contrib/lib/PEXt/Converters.h
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18. How do I open multiple displays?
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See "Multi-user Application Software Using Xt", The X Resource, Issue 3,
(Summer 1992) by Oliver Jones for a complete coverage of the issues
involved. Most of this answer is based on that article. In a
nutshell, one uses XtOpenDisplay() to add each display to a _single_
application context and then XtCloseDisplay() to shutdown each display
and remove it from the application context.
The real problems occur when trying to close down a display. This can
happen 3 ways:
1. User selects a "quit" button on one of the displays,
2. User has window manager send a WM_DELETE_WINDOW message,
3. Server disconnect -- possibly from a KillClient message,
server shutdown/crash, or network failure.
I'll assume you can deal gracefully with 1 & 2 since it is _merely_ a
problem of translating a Widget to a display and removing that
display. If not, then read the Oliver Jones article.
The third one is difficult to handle. The following is based on the
Oliver Jones article and I include it here because it is a difficult
problem.
The difficulty arises because the Xlib design presumed that an I/O
error is always unrecoverable and so fatal. This is essentially true
for a single display X based application, but not true for a
multiple display program or an application that does things other than
display information on an X server. When an X I/O error occurs the
I/O error handler is called and _if_ it returns then an exit()
happens. The only way around this is to use setjmp/longjmp to avoid
returning to the I/O error handler. The following code fragment
demonstrates this:
#include <setjmp.h>
jmp_buf XIOrecover;
void
XIOHandler (dpy)
Display *dpy;
{
destroyDisplay (dpy);
longjmp (XIOrecover, 1);
}
main ()
{
...
if (setjmp (XIOrecover) == 0)
XSetIOErrorHandler (XIOHandler);
XtAppMainLoop (app_context);
}
The destroyDisplay() is something that given a Display pointer can go
back to the application specific data and perform any necessary
cleanup. It should also call XtCloseDisplay().
For those of you unfamiliar with setjmp/longjmp, when setjmp() is
first called it returns a 0 and save's enough information in the
jmp_buf that a latter execution of longjmp() can return the program to
the same state as if the setjmp() was just executed. The return value
of this second setjmp() is the value of the second argument to
longjmp(). There are several caveats about using these but for this
purpose it is adequate.
Some other problems you might run into are resource converters that
improperly cache resources. The most likely symptoms are Xlib errors
such as BadColor, BadAtom, or BadFont. There may be problems with the
total number of displays you can open since typically only a limited
number of file descriptors are available with 32 being a typical
value. You may also run into authorization problems when trying to
connect to a display.
There was much discussion in comp.windows.x about this topic in
November of 91. Robert Scheifler posted an article which basically
said this is the way it will be and Xlib will not change.
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19. What changed from R3 to R4 to R5?
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This addresses only changes in the Intrinsics. First, the general
changes for each release are described. Then a, certainly incomplete,
list of new functions added and others that are now deprecated are
listed. Brevity is a primary goal.
Much of the following information is retrieved from Chapter 13 of the MIT
Xt Intrinsics Manual and from O'Reilly Volume 5, 3rd edition.
From R3 to R4
- Addition of gadgets (windowless widgets)
- New resource type converter interface to handle cacheing and
additional data.
- Variable argument list interface.
- #define XtSpecificationRelease 4 (added with this release)
- WMShellPart, TopLevelShellPart & TransientShellPart changed
incompatibly.
- core.initialize, core.set_values added ArgList and count parameters
- event handlers had continue_to_dispatch parameter added
- core.set_values_almost specification changed.
- core.compress_exposure changed to an enumerated data type from Boolean
- core.class_inited changed to enumerated data type from Boolean
- constraint.get_values_hook added to extension record
- core.initialize_hook obsolete as info is passed to core.initialize
- shell.root_geometry_manager added to extension record
- core.set_values_hook obsolete as info is passed to core.set_values
- Calling XtQueryGeometry() must store complete geometry.
- Added UnrealizeCallback.
- XtTranslateCoords() actually works under R4.
From R4 to R5:
- Psuedo resource baseTranslation added.
- Searching for app-default, and other files, made more flexible
- customization resource added.
- Per-screen resource database.
- Support permanently allocated strings.
- Permanetly allocated strings required for several class fields.
- The args argument to XtAppInitialize, XtVaAppInitialize,
XtOpenDisplay, XtDisplayInitialize, and XtInitialize were changed
from Cardinal* to int*
- Many performance improvements (this is summarized from the article
"Xt Performance Improvements in Release 5" by Gabe Beged-Dov in "The
X Resource", Issue 3):
- XrmStringToQuark() augmented with XrmPermStringToQuark() to
avoid string copies. Several fields in the class record are
indicated as needing permanent strings.
- Using an array of Strings for resources
- Callback lists redesigned to use less memory
- Translation manager redesigned and rewritten so it takes
less memory, translation tables merges are faster, cache of
action bindings
- Keycode to Keysyms are cached.
- Better sharing of GC's with modifiable fields
- Window to Widget translation uses less space and faster
- Does not malloc space for widget name since quark is available
- Widget space is allocated to include the constraints
- Over several example programs, about a 26% reduction in
memory usage.
Functions new with R5:
----------------------
XtAllocateGC() - sharable GC with modifiable fields
XtGetActionList() - get the action table of a class
XtScreenDatabase() - return resource database for a screen
XtSetLanguageProc() - register language procedure called to set locale
Functions new with R4:
----------------------
XtAppAddActionHook() - procedure to call before _every_ action.
XtAppInitialize() - lots of initialization work.
XtAppReleaseCacheRefs() - decrement cache reference count for converter
XtAppSetFallbackResources() - specify default resources
XtAppSetTypeConverter() - register a new style converter
XtCallCallbackList() - directly execute a callback list
XtCallConverter () - invoke a new style converter
XtCallbackReleaseCacheRef() - release a cached resource value
XtCallbackReleaseCacheRefList() - release a list of cached resource values
XtConvertAndStore() - find and call a resource converter
XtDirectConvert() - Invoke old-style converter
XtDisplayOfObject() - Return the display
XtDisplayStringConversionWarning() - issue a warning about conversion
XtFindFile() - Find a file
XtGetActionKeysym() - Retrieve keysym & modifies for this action
XtGetApplicationNameAndClass() - return name and class
XtGetConstraintResourceList() - get constraints for a widget
XtGetKeysymTable() - return keycode-to-keysym mapping table
XtGetMultiClickTime() - read the multi-click time
XtGetSelectionRequest() - retrieve the SelectionRequest event
XtGetSelectionValueIncremental() - obtain the selection value incrementally
XtGetSelectionValuesIncremental() - obtain the selection value incrementally
XtInitializeWidgetClass() - initialize a widget class manually
XtInsertEventHanlder() - register event handler before/after others
XtInsertRawEventHandler() - register event handler without modify input mask
XtIsObject() - test if subclass of Object
XtIsRectObj() - test if subclass of RectObj
XtKeysymToKeyCodeList() - return list of keycodes
XtLastTimestampProcessed() - retrieve most recent event time
XtMenuPopdown - Action for popping down a widget
XtMenuPopup - Action for popping up a widget
XtOffsetOf - macro for structure offsets
XtOwnSelectionIncremental() - make selection data availabe incrementally
XtPoupSpringLoaded() - map a spring-loaded popup
XtRegisterGrabAction() - indicate action procedure needs a passive grab
XtRemoveActiohHook() - remove function called after every action
XtResolvePathname() - find a file
XtScreenOfObject() - return screen of object.
XtSetMultiClickTime() - set the multi-click time
XtSetWMColormapWindows() - set WM_COLORMAP_WINDOWS for custom colormaps
XtUngrabButton() - cancel a passive button grab
XtUngrabKey() - cancel a passive key grab
XtUngrabKeybard() - release an active keyboard grab
XtUngrabPointer() - release an active pointer grab
XtVa*() - varags interfaces to a bunch of functions
XtWindowOfObject() - return Window of nearest widget ancestor
Deprecated Replacement When
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XtAddActions() XtAppAddActions() R3
XtAddConverter() XtAppAddConverter() R3
XtAddInput() XtAppAddInput () R3
XtAddTimeout() XtAppAddTimeout() R3
XtAddWorkProc() XtAppAddWorkProc() R3
XtConvert() XtConvertAndStore() R4
XtCreateApplicationShell XtAppCreateShell() R3
XtDestroyGC() XtReleaseGC() R3
XtError() XtAppError() R3
XtGetErrorDatabase() XtAppGetErrorDatabase R3
XtGetErrorDatabaseText() XtAppGetErrorDatabaseText R3
XtGetSelectionTimeout() XtAppGetSelectionTimeout R3
XtInitialize() XtAppInitialize() R3
XtMainLoop() XtAppMainLoop() R3
MenuPopdown(action) XtMenuPopdown(action) R4
MenuPopup(action) XtMenuPopup(action) R4
XtNextEvent() XtAppNextEvent() R3
XtPeekEvent() XtAppPeekEvent() R3
XtPending() XtAppPending() R3
XtSetErrorHandler() XtAppSetErrorHandler() R3
XtSetErrorMsgHandler XtAppSetErrorMsgHandler() R3
XtSetSelectionTimeout() XtAppSetSelectionTimeout() R3
XtSetWarningHandler() XtAppSetWarningHandler() R3
XtSetWarningMsgHandler() XtAppSetWarningMsgHandler() R3
XtWarning() XtAppWarning() R3
XtWarningMsg() XtAppWarningMsg() R3
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20. Where are the resources loaded from?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The resources of a widget are filled in from the following places
(from highest priority to lowest priority):
1. Args passed at creation time.
2. Command line arguments.
3. User's per host defaults file
4. User's defaults file.
5. User's per application default file.
6. System wide per application default file.
Note that 2-6 are read only once on application startup. The result
of steps 3-6 is a single resource database used for further queries.
The per host defaults file contains customizations for all
applications executing on a specific computer. This file is either
specified with the XENVIRONMENT environment variable or if that is not
set then the file $HOME/.Xdefaults-<host> is used.
The user defaults file is either obtained from the RESOURCE_MANAGER
property on the root window of the display or if that is not set then
the file $HOME/.Xdefaults is used. Typically, the program "xrdb" is
used to set the RESOURCE_MANAGER property. Please note that this
should be kept relatively small as each client that connects to the
display must transfer the property. A size of around 1-3KByte is
reasonable. Some toolkits may track changes to the RESOURCE_MANAGER
but most do not.
A user may have many per application default files containing
customizations specific to each application. The intrinsics are quite
flexible on how this file is found. Read the next part that describes
the various environment variables and how they effect where this file
is found.
The system wide per application default files are typically found in
/usr/lib/X11/app-defaults. If such a file is not found then the
fallback resources are used. The intrinsics are quite flexible on how
this file is found. Read the next part that describes the various
environment variables and how they effect where this file is found.
[Thanks to Oliver Jones (oj@pictel.com) for the following, 6/92]
You can use several environment variables to control how resources are
loaded for your Xt-based programs -- XFILESEARCHPATH,
XUSERFILESEARCHPATH, and XAPPLRESDIR. These environment variables
control where Xt looks for application-defaults files as an
application is initializing. Xt loads at most one app-defaults file
from the path defined in XFILESEARCHPATH and another from the path
defined in XUSERFILESEARCHPATH.
Set XFILESEARCHPATH if software is installed on your system in such a
way that app-defaults files appear in several different directory
hierarchies. Suppose, for example, that you are running Sun's Open
Windows, and you also have some R4 X applications installed in
/usr/lib/X11/app-defaults. You could set a value like this for
XFILESEARCHPATH, and it would cause Xt to look up app-defaults files
in both /usr/lib/X11 and /usr/openwin/lib (or wherever your
OPENWINHOME is located):
setenv XFILESEARCHPATH /usr/lib/X11/%T/%N:$OPENWINHOME/lib/%T/%N
The value of this environment variable is a colon-separated list of
pathnames. The pathnames contain replacement characters as follows
(see XtResolvePathname()):
%N The value of the filename parameter, or the
application's class name.
%T The value of the file "type". In this case, the
literal string "app-defaults"
%C customization resource (R5 only)
%S Suffix. None for app-defaults.
%L Language, locale, and codeset (e.g. "ja_JP.EUC")
%l Language part of %L (e.g. "ja")
%t The territory part of the display's language string
%c The codeset part of the display's language string
Let's take apart the example. Suppose the application's class name is
"Myterm". Also, suppose Open Windows is installed in /usr/openwin.
(Notice the example omits locale-specific lookup.)
/usr/lib/X11/%T/%N means /usr/lib/X11/app-defaults/Myterm
$OPENWINHOME/lib/%T/%N means /usr/openwin/lib/app-defaults/Myterm
As the application initializes, Xt tries to open both of the above
app-defaults files, in the order shown. As soon as it finds one, it
reads it and uses it, and stops looking for others. The effect of
this path is to search first in /usr/lib/X11, then in /usr/openwin.
Let's consider another example. This time, let's set
XUSERFILESEARCHPATH so it looks for the file Myterm.ad in the current
working directory, then for Myterm in the directory ~/app-defaults.
setenv XUSERFILESEARCHPATH ./%N.ad:$HOME/app-defaults/%N
The first path in the list expands to ./Myterm.ad. The second expands
to $HOME/app-defaults/Myterm. This is a convenient setting for
debugging because it follows the Imake convention of naming the
app-defaults file Myterm.ad in the application's source directory, so
you can run the application from the directory in which you are
working and still have the resources loaded properly.
NOTE: when looking for app-default files with XUSERFILESEARCHPATH,
for some bizarre reason, neither the type nor file suffix is
defined so %T and %S are useless.
With R5, there's another twist. You may specify a customization
resource value. For example, you might run the "myterm" application
like this:
myterm -xrm "*customization: -color"
If one of your pathname specifications had the value
"/usr/lib/X11/app-defaults/%N%C" then the expanded pathname would be
"/usr/lib/X11/app-defaults/Myterm-color" because the %C substitution
character takes on the value of the customization resource.
The default XFILESEARCHPATH, compiled into Xt, is:
/usr/lib/X11/%L/%T/%N%C:\ (R5)
/usr/lib/X11/%l/%T/%N%C:\ (R5)
/usr/lib/X11/%T/%N%C:\ (R5)
/usr/lib/X11/%L/%T/%N:\
/usr/lib/X11/%l/%T/%N:\
/usr/lib/X11/%T/%N
(Note: some sites replace /usr/lib/X11 with a ProjectRoot in this
batch of default settings.)
The default XUSERFILESEARCHPATH, also compiled into Xt, is
<root>/%L/%N%C:\ (R5)
<root>/%l/%N%C:\ (R5)
<root>/%N%C:\ (R5)
<root>/%L/%N:\
<root>/%l/%N:\
<root>/%N:
<root> is either the value of XAPPLRESDIR or the user's home directory
if XAPPLRESDIR is not set. If you set XUSERFILESEARCHPATH to some
value other than the default, Xt ignores XAPPLRESDIR altogether.
Notice that the quick and dirty way of making your application find
your app-defaults file in your current working directory is to set
XAPPLRESDIR to ".", a single dot. In R3, all this machinery worked
differently; for R3 compatibilty, many people set their XAPPLRESDIR
value to "./", a dot followed by a slash.
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21. What order are callbacks executed in?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
(Courtesy of Donna Converse, converse@expo.lcs.mit.edu; 5/10/92)
The Intrinsics library do not guarantee an order. This is because
both the widget writer and the application writer have the ability to
modify the entire contents of the callback list. Neither one
currently knows what the other is doing and so the Intrinsics cannot
guarantee the order of execution.
The application programmer cannot rely on the widget writer; the
widget writer is not required to document when the widget will add and
remove callbacks from the list or what effect this will have;
therefore the functionality contained in a callback should be
independent of the functionality contained in other callbacks on the
list.
Even though the Xt standard in the definition of XtAddCallback
says:
"callback_name: Specifies the callback list to which the
procedure is to be appended."
you may not infer from the word "appended" that the callback routines
are called in the same order as they have been added to the callback
list.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
22. How do I know if a widget is visible?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
(Courtesy of Donna Converse, converse@expo.lcs.mit.edu; 5/14/92)
> I am building a widget needs to know if it is visible. I set the visible
> interest field in Core and if my window is completely obscured, the Core
> visible flag goes FALSE. However, if my window is iconified, the flag
> stays set to TRUE.
Right, everything is implemented correctly. This demonstrates a "deficiency"
in the X protocol, and the Core widget is reflecting the capabilities of the
protocol. (The "deficiency" is that the information is available in one way,
in this case an inconvenient way.) The Xt specification is accurate, in
the second and third paragraphs of section 7.10.2, so read this section
carefully. The visible field will not change in response to iconification.
A VisibilityNotify event will not be received when the window goes from
viewable to unviewable, that is, when the widget or an ancestor is unmapped;
that is, when iconification occurs. This is the protocol deficiency.
Visibility state and viewable state have specific meanings in the X protocol;
see the glossary in your Xlib and X protocol reference manual.
> Is this a problem with "mwm" or is there something
> else which needs to be done?
You'll see this with any window manager, with no window manager.
> If the problem is "mwm", what is the fastest
> way to determine if a window is iconified?
As an application writer, keep track with a global Boolean in an action
routine with translations for MapNotify and UnmapNotify on the Shell widget
which contains your custom widget. As the custom widget writer, see the
map_state field returned by a call to XGetWindowAttributes. These are
suggestions.
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23. How do I reparent a widget in Xt, i.e. XtReparentWidget()?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You can't.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
24. Why use XtMalloc, XtFree, etc?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Unfortunately, most code that calls malloc(), realloc() or calloc()
tends to ignore the possibility of returning NULL. At best it is
handled something like:
ptr = (type *) malloc (sizeof (type))
if (!ptr)
{
perror ("malloc in xyzzy()");
exit (1)
}
To handle this common case the Intrinsics define the functions
XtMalloc(), XtCalloc(), XtNew(), XtNewString() and XtRealloc() which
all use the standard C language functions malloc(), calloc() and
realloc() but execute XtErrorMsg() if a NULL value is returned. Xt
error handlers are not supposed to return so this effectively exits.
In addition, if XtRealloc() is called with a NULL pointer, it uses
XtMalloc() to get the initial space. This allows code like:
if (!ptr)
ptr = (type *) malloc (sizeof (type));
else
ptr = (type *) realloc (ptr, sizeof (type) * (count + 1));
++count;
to be written as:
ptr = XtRealloc (ptr, sizeof (ptr) * ++count);
Also, XtFree() accepts a NULL pointer as an argument. Generally, I've
found the Xt functions conveniant to use. However, anytime I'm
allocating anything potentially large I use the standard functions so
I can fully recover from not enough memory errors.
XtNew() and XtNewString() are conveniant macros for allocating a
structure or copying a string:
struct abc *xyzzy;
char *ptr;
char *str = "abcdef";
xyzzy = XtNew (struct abc); /* takes care of type casting */
ptr = XtNewString (str);
A strict interpretation of the Intrinsics reference manual allow an
implementation to provide functions that are not exchangable with
malloc() and free(). I.e. code such as:
char *ptr;
ptr = XtMalloc (100);
/* ... */
free (ptr);
may not work. Personally, I'd call any implementation that did this
broken and complain to the vendor.
A common error for Motif programmers is to use XtFree() on a string
when they should really be using XmStringFree().
----------------------------------------------------------------------
25. How to debug an Xt application?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
First, I'd recomend getting "purify" from Pure Software. This is a
great package for tracing memory problems on Sun's. It's a bit pricey
at $2750 but I'd still recomend it. Excuse the marketing blurb
(contact support@pure.com for more info).
Purify inserts additional checking instructions directly into
the object code produced by existing compilers. These
instructions check every memory read and write performed by
the program under test and detect several types of access
errors, such as reading unitialized memory, writing past
malloc'd bounds, or writing to freed memory. Purify inserts
checking logic into all of the code in a program, including
third party and vendor object-code libraries, and verifies
system call interfaces. In addition, Purify tracks memory
usage and identifies individual memory leaks using a novel
adaption of garbage collection techniques. Purify's nearly
comprehensive memory access checking slows the target program
down typically by a factor of two to five.
An alternative package that isn't as pricey ($395 for a Sun), runs on
many Unix's and has pretty similar features is "The SENTINEL Debugging
Environment". This replaces malloc() and several other C library
functions to add additional checks. (contact cpcahil@virtech.vti.com
for more info)
Next, if you are getting any sort of Xlib error, you'll need to run in
synchronous mode, easily accomplished with the "-sync" command line
argument or by setting the variable Xdebug to 1 with your debugger. Then
set a break point in exit(). This will let you trace back to the
original Xlib function being called. If you don't run in synchronous
mode, then the actual error may have occured any number of calls to
Xlib previously since the Xlib calls are buffered and replies from the
server are asynchronous.
Next, if you are having trouble with window layout, you can use the
undocumented resource "xtIdentifyWindows" or the class resource
"XtDebug" to cause the widget name to be identified with each window.
For example:
example% xload -xrm '*XtDebug:true' &
example% xwininfo -tree
<click in new xload window>
will give the normal information but the widget name and class of each
window is included. This can help for checking the location and size
of errant widgets.
Next, if you are having trouble with geometry managers or you want to
test the way a widget manages it's children, you can try
export.lcs.mit.edu:contrib/libXtGeo.tar.Z. This acts as a filter
between any children and a geometry manager and checks the behaviour
of both. It's a very clever idea.
The most unfortunate problem is debugging a callback while the
application is executing a grab of the keyboard or mouse (such as from
a pulldown menu). The server effectively locks up and you'll need to
go to another machine and kill the debugger manually. The server
locks up because the application being debugged has said no one else
can have access to the keyboard but the application is not stopped
waiting because the debugger is waiting for your commands.
Unfortunately you can't give them because all the input is going to
your application which is stopped.
The best way to debug this kind of problem is with two machines on
your desk, running the program under a debugger (or other environment)
on one machine, and running the application on the other, possibly
using a command sequence like this:
othermachine% xhost +thismachine
thismachine% setenv DISPLAY othermachine:0;
thismachine% gdb application # Your favorite debugger.
or this:
othermachine% xhost +thismachine
thismachine% gdb application
(gdb) set environment DISPLAY othermachine:0
(gdb) run ...
I believe CodeCenter, a C interpreter/graphical debugger has a method
of dealing with this by explicitely calling the Xlib functions to
release any grabs during breakpoints.
Debugging widget problems requires pretty good debugging skills and
knowledge of how widgets work. You can go a long way without knowing
the internals of a particular widget but not very far without
understanding how a widget works. Judicious use of conditional
breakpoints and adding print statements with the debugger help a great
deal.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
26. Why don't XtAddInput(), XtAddTimeout() and XtAddWorkProc() work?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I have got a delicate problem with the three routines XtAddInput,
XtAddTimeOut and XtAddWorkProc. The problem I have is that when
I use them in my application they seem not to be registred properly.
I have made a handy little testprogram where everything works
perfect, but in my "real" application nothing happens.
The introduction in R3 of the XtApp*() functions obsoleted those
routines (see Q19 for other changes in R3, R4, and R5). What happens is
they use a default application context different then the one you may
have created. Since events and timeouts are distributed on a per
application context basis and you are using two application contexts,
you won't get those events.
For example:
...
cnt = 0;
toplevel = XtAppInitialize(&app, class,
Desc, XtNumber (Desc),
&argc, argv,
Fallback, args, cnt);
XtAddTimeOut (...)
XtAddWorkProc (...)
XtAppMainLoop (app)
would never invoke the timeout.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
27. What is and how can I implement drag and drop?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
(Courtesy of Roger Reynolds, rogerr@netcom.com; 19 Feb 93)
Drag-n-drop is a buzzword for moving data between clients, in an
``intuitive'' fashion.
Motif Version 1.2 supports drag-n-drop capabilities, OpenLook has
supported d-n-d all along. The two protocols are not compatable with
each other, and so far as I know, they are not published.
I wrote a package called RDD which is designed to be a flexible public
protocol for doing drag 'n drop operations between clients. My
intention was to provide a tool which would make it easy for people to
support a "standard" drag-n-drop protocol in the programs they develop
and contribute or sell, regardless of what widget set is used (as long
as it is based on Xt).
The implementation is based upon my understanding of the ICCCM
conventions, for more details read the code.
I have heard from dozens of people using RDD who like it and feel that
it works a whole lot better than Motif 1.2 stuff. Also, there seem to
be many who think that it is neat but are constrained to use Motif
anyway.
The latest RDD (and some other stuff) is available for ftp from
netcom.com, in /pub/rogerr. A (possibly older) version is also
available on export.lcs.mit.edu in /contrib.
--
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CIS Dept, Ohio State University w/ (614) 292-7318
228 Bolz Hall, 2036 Neil Ave. h/ (614) 538-0965
Columbus, OH 43210
| 5comp.windows.x |
I am trying to build and use imake (X11R4) on an IBM RS/6000 running AIX V3.2.
I am having the following 2 problems.
(1) Many of my Imakefile's have contructs like
/**/#This is a makefile
at the start of lines to pass Makefile comments thru the C
preprocessor and into the Makefile. Most of the C preprocessors that
I have used will not treat such a # as appearing at the start of the
line. Thus the C preprocessor does not treat the hash symbol as the
start of a directive.
However the IBM cpp strips the comment and treats the hash symbol
as the start of a directive. The cpp fails when it determines
that "This" is not a known directive. I have temporarily hacked my
imake to handle this situation but would like to come up with a better
fix.
(2) Several Imakefiles use /**/ as a parameter to a macro when a particular
use of the macro does not need a value for the parameter. The AIX cpp
gives warnings about these situations but continues to work OK.
If you are familiar with these problems and have solutions, I would appreciate
information about on your solutions. (Perhaps, this is solved in a later
version of imake that I have not reviewed.) Also, do you know of other cpp's
that behave similarly?
Since I do not have easy access to News, a response to
'white_billy@po.gis.prc.com' would be appreciated.
| 5comp.windows.x |
Used, good condition:
Hitachi V-422 40MHz Dual-Channel Portable Analog Oscilliscope
o 1mV/div
o DC offset
o alternate magnification (10x magnified & non-magnified waveform)
o VERT mode trigger
o TV sync separation circuit
List price $910.00 (...and the price Fry's electronics just quoted!) :-(
Sells for $699.99 (JDR MicroDevices current price)
$745.95 (Products International)
Your price used $425.00 obo
JDR 2000 20MHz Dual-Channel Portable Analog Oscilliscope
o 5mV/div
o Component Tester (resistors/caps/diodes/coils)
o TV video sync filter
o z-axis input (intensity modulation)
List price $479.95 (I think...but who pays retail?)
Sells for $389.95 (JDR MicroDevices)
$299.95 (JDR floor sample...hurry, it's in their showroom!)
Your price used $210.00 obo
I'd prefer a local (Bay Area, California) buyer, so (a) I don't have to ship
it and (b) she or he can examine the scope prior to purchase.
rbn@apple.com
| 12sci.electronics |
In article <C5t7Gs.7v3@news.iastate.edu> schauf@iastate.edu (Brian J Schaufenbuel) writes:
>In article <id.XNFZ.VJ8@nmti.com> korenek@nmti.com (gary korenek) writes:
>>
>>I believe that any VL/EISA/ISA motherboard that uses the HINT chipset
>>is limited to 24-bit EISA DMA (where 'real' EISA DMA is 32-bit). The
>>HINT EISA DMA has the 16 mb ram addressing limitation of ISA. For this
>>reason I would pass. I own one of these (HAWK VL/EISA/ISA) and am look-
>>ing to replace it for exactly this reason.
>>Please double-check me on this. In other words, call the motherboard
>>manufacturer and ask them if the motherboard supports true 32-bit EISA
>>DMA.
>>Other than this limitation, the motherboard works quite well (I am using
>>mine with DOS 5, Windows 3.1, and UNIX S5R3.2). Also with Adaptec 1742a
>>EISA SCSI host adapter.
>>Gary Korenek (korenek@nmti.com)
>
>
>You are correct! The motherboard manufacturer where I usually buy boards says
>that they will have this problem fixed in about two weeks...
>| Brian J Schaufenbuel
I don't see this as a problem with the chip-set (a mistake), I see this
as something that was designed-in intentionally.
So it would seem that to enhance the design (from 24 to 32-bit EISA DMA)
would require an update to the chipset. An update to the chipset may
begat an update to the motherboard board design.
What I'm saing is: The motherboard manufacturer seems to be passing this
off as a simple fix. In my mind the fix is a updated chipset from HINT
along with a possible motherboard layout update. This is not simple.
If I were you I would be cautious about this.
You might look into the Advanced Integration Research (AIR) VL/EISA
motherboard. All slots are EISA/ISA capable. 2 (or 3) of the slots are
VL-bus capable. The AIR people confirmed this board supports 'real'
32-bit EISA DMA (I called them). Pentium/P5 (?) capable. Less expensive
than equivalent AMI or Micronics VL/EISA board.
Look in Computer Shopper (April '93). The ZENON ads show the AIR mother-
board. A associate bought the AIR board and is pleased with it. I'm
attempting to get the local dealer to trade out the HAWK board for the
AIR board.
Model number of AIR board (with 486-33DX) is B433EI2. You can call
Motherboard Warehouse (for example) for a price. Phone #'s included
below.
AIR (408)-428-0800
Motherboard Warehouse (800)-486-9975
--
Gary Korenek (korenek@nmti.com)
Network Management Technology Incorporated
Sugar Land, Texas (713) 274-5357
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
I.D. Benham, on the Wed, 21 Apr 1993 17:11:39 GMT wibbled:
: Hi,
: I'm now in the market for buying a BMW.The ideal would be an R80 RS but I'd be
: interested to here of any R80 for sale .Age is not a problem - I'm more
: interested in a good example without a massive amount of miles and one which has
: been well maintained as I intend to keep it well and for some time.
: I would also like to know if anyone has any sound advice as regards to
: INSURANCE - 27yr old,licence for 9 years,no accidents/claims/convictions.Am I old
: enough to get BMW owners club insurance yet or will I have to wait until next
: year?
: Ian
: Future Beemer Owner
My best advice would be to contact a local dealer (see the yellow
pages under "Motorcycle Dealers") and ask for the address of the local
section BMW Owners Club. The local BMW dealer will give you details
of the BMW Insurance terms and the club will help you with all
details. Getting a bike from the dealer is the best bet, if you can
afford it. The warranty is fairly handy as BM bits are made from
solid gold, apart from the parts made from ruby and platinum. Apparently.
--
Nick (the perpetually broke BMW Biker) DoD 1069 Concise Oxford No Loot
M'Lud.
Nick Pettefar, Contractor@Large. /~~~\ "Teneo tuus intervallum"
Cuurrently incarcerated at BNR, {-O^O-} npet@bnr.ca '86 BMW K100RS "Kay"
Maidenhead, The United Kingdom. \ o / Pres. PBWASOH(UK), BS 0002
(-
| 8rec.motorcycles |
Hi,
Wonder how much money is being spent at Waco by BATF ?
Are we paying because BATF messed up and have made this
a prestige issue ??
Girish
--
Girish Kumthekar Unix Technical Support
E mail address : s5ugxk@fnma.com
| 18talk.politics.misc |
In article <nielsmm-150493114522@nanna.imv.aau.dk> nielsmm@imv.aau.dk (Niels Mikkel Michelsen) writes:
> The other day, it was raining cats and dogs, therefor I was going only to
> the speed limit, on nothing more, on my bike. This guy in his BMW was
> driving 1-2 meters behind me for 7-800 meters and at the next red light I
> calmly put the bike on its leg, walked back to this car, he rolled down the
> window, and I told him he was a total idiot (and the reason why).
>
> Did I do the right thing?
Absolutely, unless you are in the U.S. Then the cager will pull a gun
and blow you away.
==================================================================
| Bob Mugele (Jungle Bob) | Email: rmugele@oracle.com |
| Senior Computational Linguist | Phone: 214-401-5875 |
| Oracle Corp. | Moto: '81 GS450ES '87 Concours |
| Irving, Texas | DoD#: 283 |
| If vegetarians eat vegetables, beware of the humanitarians |
| --Dr. Bob |
==================================================================
| 8rec.motorcycles |
Hi folks
I'm planning to buy a LCIII but need advice on choosing a monitor.
What do people recommend for a decent 14"/15" monitor?
I'v looked at some ads and the spec for NEC 4FG/4FGe and the price is
within my budget, but could LCIII be able to use the various resolutions
available on 4FG (specifically the 1024x768 resolution)? Does LCIII only
support one resolution?
Also any recommendations for a reliable mail order place for LCIII or
monitors? Does anyone have experience with the following mail-order places?
SYEX EXPRESS (Houston, Tx)
USA FLEX (Bloomingdale, Il)
Thanks,
jeff
--
Jeff Lian lian@mti.sgi.com - or - lian@mips.com
MIPS Technologies, Inc.
2011 N. Shoreline Boulevard
P.O. Box 7311 M/S 10L-175
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
In article <C6BGzv.7MK@uceng.uc.edu> bferrell@ant.occ.uc.edu (Brett Ferrell) writes:
>In article <1993Apr30.172938.6386@samba.oit.unc.edu> dil.admin@mhs.unc.edu (Dave Laudicina) writes:
>>>Microsoft is the largest software company on the planet, yet I cannot think
>>>of even *ONE* computing concept that they innovated and brought to market
>>>before anyone else. Xerox-PARC/Apple, Osborne, NeXT, GNU and others have
>>>been pioneers and led the way to the future of computing. What has
>>>microsoft done to be a technological leader? I posted this question before,
>>>but I got nary a reply. I make the challenge now to anyone who can come up
>>>with something-especially Microsoft employees. I get no response this time,
>>>I guess it pretty much assures me that there is none--which is what I
>>>suspect anyway.
>>>
>>Really when you come down to it who cares. I just hope MS keeps doing
>>what they do best getting usable productive software to the masses.
>>Thx Dave L
>If you think that windows is useable, you must not use it much. Windows
>version of "crash protection" is wearing a helmet while computing. The arir
>(air) bag is an expensive add-on.
>Brett
Ladies & Gentlemen... Please keep this discussion in
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy where it belongs.
Thank you.
John A. Grant jagrant@emr1.emr.ca
Airborne Geophysics
Geological Survey of Canada, Ottawa
--
John A. Grant jagrant@emr1.emr.ca
Airborne Geophysics
Geological Survey of Canada, Ottawa
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
In article <1993Apr23.121316.1564@news.columbia.edu> Rob Castro writes:
>When/How do you decide that it is too windy to ride?
Isn't that one of those self-evident things like, "how do you decide that
you're out of gas"?
I have never experienced wind so severe it physically precluded operation
of a motorcycle. It's more a matter of deciding whether the aggravation
is more trouble than it's worth. This of course, depends entirely on your
own particular circumstances and personal disposition.
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| 8rec.motorcycles |
frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes ...
> ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer) writes:
>#frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes ...
>#>Plus questions for you: why do subjectivists/relativists/nihilists get so
>#>het up about the idea that relativism is *better* than objectivism?
>#
>#To the degree that relativism is a more accurate decription of the
>#truth than is objectivism, it provides more power and ability to
>#control events.
>
>I think you lose the right to talk about THE truth once you say values are
>relative. Accuracy is a value judgement, too. It so happens I agree with
>the substance of what you say below, but it's clear to me that at least
>*some* values are objective. Truth is better than falsehood, peace is
>better than war, education is better than ignorance. We know these things,
>if we know anything.
While I'll agree that these are generally held to be "good things", I
question whether they come very close to being objective values.
Especially considering that at one time or another each has been
viewed as being undesirable. I doubt you could even come up with
anything that could be said to be universally "good" or "bad".
And when I referred to "the truth" I was using the term
hypothetically, realizing full well that there may not even be such a
thing.
>#Assuming, for the moment, that morals _are_ relative, then two
>#relativists can recognize that neither has a lock on the absolute
>#truth and they can proceed to negotiate a workable compromise that
>#produces the desired results.
>
>No they cannot, because they acknowledge up front that THE desired
>results do not exist. That, after all, is the meaning of compromise.
>
>Plus some problems: If the relativists have no values in common, compromise
>is impossible - what happens then? Who, if anyone, is right? What happens
>if one relativist has a value "Never compromise?". A value "plant bombs in
>crowded shopping areas"? After all, if morals are relative, these values
>cannot *meaningfully* be said to be incorrect.
True enough. But they cannot be said to be anything more than
personal morals. One thing notably lacking in most extremists is any
sense of _personal_ accountability - the justification for any
socially unacceptable behaviour is invariably some "higher authority"
(aka, absolute moral truth).
>#Assuming that there is an absolute morality, two disagreeing
>#objectivists can either be both wrong or just one of them right; there
>#is no room for compromise. Once you beleive in absolute morals,
>#you must accept that you are amoral or that everyone who disagrees
>#with you is amoral.
>
>Untrue. One can accept that one does not know the whole truth. Part
>of the objective truth about morality may well be that flexibility is
>better than rigidity, compromise is better than believing you have a lock
>on morals, etc. In the same way, I can believe in an objective reality
>without claiming to know the mechanism for quantum collapse, or who shot
>JFK.
An objective truth that says one cannot know the objective truth?
Interesting notion. :-)
Certainly one can have as one's morals a belief that compromise is
good. But to compromise on the absolute truth is not something most
people do very successfully. I suppose one could hold compromise as
being an absolute moral, but then what happens when someone else
insists on no compromise? How do you compromise on compromising?
>#Given a choice between a peaceful compromise or endless contention,
>#I'd say that compromise seems to be "better".
>
>And I would agree. But it's bloody to pointless to speak of it if it's
>merely a matter of taste. Is your liking for peace any better founded
>than someone else's liking for ice-cream? I'm looking for a way to say
>"yes" to that question, and relativism isn't it.
Almost invariably when considering the relative value of one thing
over another, be it morals or consequences, people only consider those
aspects which justify a desired action or belief. In justifying a
commitement to peace I might argue that it lets people live long &
healthy and peaceful lives. While that much may well be true, it is
incomplete in ignoring the benefits of war - killing off the most
agressive member of society, trimming down the population, stimulating
production. The equation is always more complex than presented.
To characterize relative morals as merely following one's own
conscience / desires is to unduly simplify it.
--
Ray Fischer "Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth
ray@netcom.com than lies." -- Friedrich Nietzsche
| 0alt.atheism |
Hi netters,
I am currently doing some investigations on "Developable Surface".
Can anyone familiar with this topic give me some information or sources
which can allow me to find some infomation of developable surface?
Thanks for your help!
Abel
h8902939@hkuxa.hku.hk
| 1comp.graphics |
In article <afgE02Wb3dVu01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>,
dws30@p1ps110cd.amdahl.com (David Sharpe) writes:
> There are a few more details to radar and some
> rumors that are not true. A common one is that two beams are sent one
> reading the car speed and one the ground speed. If this were true then
> calabration would be murder. Hope this helps (Flame On)
Gee, then I guess the extra horn that's mounted in the floor of some SDPD cars,
firing at the ground at a shallow angle, is just for show, huh?
(For calibration, they simply turn off one horn or the other.)
--- Jamie Hanrahan, Kernel Mode Systems, San Diego CA
Internet: jeh@cmkrnl.com Uucp: uunet!cmkrnl!jeh CIS: 74140,2055
| 12sci.electronics |
In article <pdb059-160493111229@kilimanjaro.jpl.nasa.gov>, pdb059@ipl.jpl.nasa.gov (Paul Bartholomew) writes:
# Mr. Cramer, I am still waiting for your response to my requests regarding
# the information you claim to have. I respectfully request that you either
# provide the information or withdraw the various assertions you make below.
#
# Item number 1: in a previous posting, you stated that you had found
# "overwhelming support for child molestation" in soc.motss:
#
# You have (finally) responded to this one. I have read your complete file
# of postings to soc.motss and to put it bluntly, it does not support your
# assertion. In short, this claim is bogus. Thank you for confirming this.
All those postings in defense of adults having sex with children, and
you just choose to claim that they don't say anything of the sort.
There's no point in discussing this any further, then. You are clearly
a liar, without morals of any sort, prepared to justify child molestation.
--
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine!
Relations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all.
| 18talk.politics.misc |
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brian@gab.unt.edu (Brian "Drakula" Stone) writes:
>>The article also contains numbers on the number of sexual partners.
>>The median number of sexual partners for all men 20-39 was 7.3.
>>Compared to the table I have already posted from Masters, Johnson,
>>and Kolodny showing male homosexual partners, it is apparent that
>>homosexual men are dramatically more promiscuous than the general
>>male population. It's a shame that we don't have a breakdown for
>>straight men vs. gay/bi men -- that would show even more dramatically
>>how much more promiscuous gay/bi men are.
>>--
>Isn't is funny how someone who seems to know nothing about homosexuality
>uses a very flawed (IMHO) source of information to pass jusgement on all
>homosexual and bisexual men. It would seem more logical to say that since
>the heterosexual group of men is larger then the chances of promiscuity
>larger as well. In my opinion, orientation has nothing to do with it.
I don't understand what you are getting at here. If the chances of
promiscuity are larger, yet the rate of promiscuity is lower in the heterosexual
community, doesn't that imply that the homo/bi sexual population is then
even more promiscuous than the raw statistics imply?
(No axe to grind here I'm just a scientist and I hate to see statistics abused.)
>Men are men and they all like sex. I am a gay male. I have had sex three
>times in my life, all with the same man. Before that, I was a virgin.
I am a hetero man and have had sex with one woman in my life (my wife). It is
very pleasing to me to be able to say that. I hope you have the same feeling
as I do. I also wish that you could (if you wanted) experience the joys and
trials of being committed to someone for life (there is something about marriage
that makes the commitment much greater than one might expect).
>So... whose promiscuous?
>Just because someone is gay doesn't mean they have no morals. Just because
>someone is heterosexual doesn't mean they do. Look at the world....
>Statistics alone prove that most criminals are by default hetero...
Don't forget about the culture. Sadly, we don't (as a society) look upon
homosexuality as normal (and as we are all too well aware, there are alot
of people who condemn it). As a result, the gay population is not encouraged
to develop "non-promiscuous" relationships. In fact there are many roadblocks
put in the way of such committed relationships. It is as if the heterosexual
community puts these blocks there so as to perpetuate the claim that gays
are immoral. "My, if we allowed gays to marry, raise children ... we might
just find out they're as moral as we are, can't have that can we?"
Just some thoughts. Flame away. :)
Dan
| 18talk.politics.misc |
In article <1qif1g$fp3@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes:
>In article <1qialf$p2m@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
>|In article <1qi921$egl@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de>, frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes:
[stuff deleted...]
>||> To the newsgroup at large, how about this for a deal: recognise that what
>||> happened in former Communist Russia has as much bearing on the validity
>||> of atheism as has the doings of sundry theists on the validity of their
>||> theism. That's zip, nada, none. The fallacy is known as ad hominem, and
>||> it's an old one. It should be in the Holy FAQ, in the Book of Constructing
>||> a Logical Argument :-)
>|
>|Apart from not making a lot of sense, this is wrong. There
>|is no "atheist creed" that taught any communist what to do "in
>|the name of atheism". There clearly are theistic creeds and
>|instructions on how to act for theists. They all madly
>|conflict with one another, but that's another issue.
>
>Lack of instructions on how to act might also be evil.
That's like saying that, since mathematics includes no instructions on
how to act, it is evil. Atheism is not a moral system, so why should
it speak of instructions on how to act? *Atheism is simply lack of
belief in God*.
Plenty of theists
>think so. So one could argue the case for "atheism causes whatever
>I didn't like about the former USSR" with as much validity as "theism
>causes genocide" - that is to say, no validity at all.
I think the argument that a particular theist system causes genocide
can be made more convincingly than an argument that atheism causes genocide.
This is because theist systems contain instructions on how to act,
and one or more of these can be shown to cause genocide. However, since
the atheist set of instructions is the null set, how can you show that
atheism causes genocide?
--
David Choweller (davec@silicon.csci.csusb.edu)
There are scores of thousands of human insects who are
ready at a moment's notice to reveal the Will of God on
every possible subject. --George Bernard Shaw.
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| 0alt.atheism |
In article <1993Apr15.165139.6240@gordian.com> mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) writes:
>In article <C5IJ7H.L95@news.iastate.edu>, jrbeach@iastate.edu (Jeffry R Beach) writes:
>> In article <1993Apr15.021021.7538@gordian.com> mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) writes:
>> >In article <C5HuH1.241@news.iastate.edu>, jrbeach@iastate.edu (Jeffry R Beach) writes:
>> I really don't want to waste time in
>> here to do battle about the legalization of drugs. If you really want to, we
>> can get into it and prove just how idiotic that idea is!
>
> Read: I do not know what the fuck I'm talking about, and am
>not eager to make a fool of myself.
Oh, you foolish person. I do know what the fuck I'm talking about
and will gladly demonstrate for such ignorants as yourself if you
wish.
The legalization of drugs will provide few if any of the benefits
so highly taunted by its proponents: safer, cheaper drugs along
with revenues from taxes on those drugs; reduced crime and reduced
organized crime specifically; etc, etc
If you would like to prove how clueless you are, we can get into
why - again a lot of wasted posts that I don't think this group
was intended for and something easily solved by you doing a little
research.
> From a pragmatic standpoint, there certainly is some justification
>if it is a vice people will commit anyway. Shall we criminalize
>alcohol again? If the re-legalization for alcohol were done from
Making you look bad is too damn easy. The vast social and historical
differences between alcohol and other drugs make this comparison
worthless.
>Vice statutes serve
>only to make it more expensive for the rich and more dangerous
>for the poor, as Tim so eloquently put it. People will, however,
And so it shall be if the government (by the people) decides that
these vices are detrimental to the society as a whole.
> And why, pray tell, is AIDS "victim" in snear quotes? Are you of
>the revisionist sort that thinks there is no such thing as the AIDS
>plauge? Or do they just deserve it?
The overwhelmingly vast majority (get the point)
of AIDS cases are contracted thru behavioral CHOICES. Nuff said.
| 18talk.politics.misc |
You may find it useful.
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From: eeharvey@cybaswan.UUCP (i t harvey)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Best way to lock a bike ?
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Date: 15 Jul 92 09:47:10 GMT
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These are the figures from the Performance Bikes lock test, taken without
permission of course. The price is for comparison. All the cable locks
have some sort of armour, the chain locks are padlock and chain. Each
lock was tested for a maximum of ten minutes (600 secs) for each test:
BJ Bottle jack
CD Cutting disc
BC Bolt croppers
GAS Gas flame
The table should really be split into immoblisers (for-a-while) and
lock-to-somethings (for-a-short-while) to make comparisons.
Type Weight BJ CD BC GAS Total Price
(kg) (sec) (sec) (sec) (sec) (sec) (Pounds)
========================================================================
=========
3-arm Folding .8 53 5 13 18 89 26
Cyclelok bar
Abus Steel-o- Cable 1.4 103 4 20 26 153 54
flex
Oxford Cable 2.0 360 4 32 82 478 38
Revolver
Abus Diskus Chain 2.8 600 7 40 26 675 77
6-arm Folding 1.8 44 10 600 22 676 51
Cyclelok bar
Abus Extra U-lock 1.2 600 10 120 52 782 44
Cobra Cable 6.0(!) 382 10 600 22 1014 150
(6ft)
Abus closed Chain 4.0 600 11 600 33 1244 100
shackle
Kryptonite U-lock 2.5 600 22 600 27 1249 100
K10
Oxford U-lock 2.0 600 7 600 49 1256 38
Magnum
Disclock Disc .7 n/a 44 n/a 38 1282 43
lock
Abus 58HB U-lock 2.5 600 26 600 64 1290 100
Mini Block Disc .65 n/a 51 n/a 84 1335 50
lock
========================================================================
=========
Pretty depressing reading. I think a good lock and some common sense about
where and when you park your bike is the only answer. I've spent all my
spare time over the last two weeks landscaping (trashing) the garden of
my (and two friends with bikes) new house to accommodate our three bikes in
relative security (never underestimate how much room a bike requires to
manouver in a walled area :( ). Anyway, since the weekend there are only two
bikes :( and no, he didn't use his Abus closed shackle lock, it was too much
hassle to take with him when visiting his parents. A minimum wait of 8
weeks (if they don't decide to investigate) for the insurance company
to make an offer and for the real haggling to begin.
Abus are a German company and it would seem not well represented in the US
but very common in the UK. The UK distributor, given in the above article
is:
Michael Brandon Ltd,
15/17 Oliver Crescent,
Hawick,
Roxburgh TD9 9BJ.
Tel. 0450 73333
The UK distributors for the other locks can also given if required.
Don't lose it
Ian
--
_______________________________________________________________________
Ian Harvey, University College Swansea Too old to rock'n'roll
eeharvey@uk.ac.swan.pyr Too young to die
'79 GS750E
| 8rec.motorcycles |
In article <ePVk2B3w165w@mantis.co.uk>
Tony Lezard <tony@mantis.co.uk> writes:
(Deletion)
>> In other words, if there were gods, they would hardly make sense, and
>> it is possible to explain the phenomenon of religion without gods.
>>
>> The concept is useless, and I don't have to introduce new assumptions
>> in order to show that.
>
>Yes I fully agree with that, but is it "I don't believe gods exist", or
>"I believe no gods exist"? As MANDTBACKA@FINABO.ABO.FI (Mats Andtbacka)
>pointed out, it all hinges on what you take the word "believe" to mean.
>
For me, it is a "I believe no gods exist" and a "I don't believe gods exist".
In other words, I think that statements like gods are or somehow interfere
with this world are false or meaningless. In Ontology, one can fairly
conclude that when "A exist" is meaningless A does not exist. Under the
Pragmatic definition of truth, "A exists" is meaningless makes A exist
even logically false.
A problem with such statements is that one can't disprove a subjective god
by definition, and there might be cases where a subjective god would even
make sense. The trouble with most god definitions is that they include
some form of objective existence with the consequence of the gods affecting
all. Believers derive from it a right to interfere with the life of others.
(Deletion)
>
>Should the FAQ be clarified to try to pin down this notion of "belief"?
>Can it?
>
Honestly, I don't see the problem.
Benedikt
| 0alt.atheism |
|> >In article <1993Apr19.024222.11181@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca> cs902043@ariel.yorku.ca (SHAWN LUDDINGTON) writes:
|>
|> >
|> Where did Acker get a ring from? I would have to say that they are about
|> even.
|>
I believe Acker got a ring from his wife when they were married
|>
|> >the Blue Jays had such a strong offense? Don't tell me that Morris has this
|> >magical ability to cause the offensive players to score more runs.
|>
I don't know why you guys keep bickering about Morris. The stats show he
is a mediocre pitcher at best (this year is another case), he just happened
to win 21 games. I saw many of his games last year, he did pitch some good
games. But this crap about being a clutch pitcher is nonsense, he was
constantly giving up go ahead runs in the 6-8th innings (the clutch innings)
and the Jays would somehow scrape a win for him. Another major factor in
his 21 wins, is that Cito 'I dont realize i have a bullpen' Gaston would
leave Morris in for ever, therefore giving him many more chances to win
games (i believe this is the major reason he won 21 games last year).
Barry Walker
BNR
Ottawa
Canada
My opinions
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
In article <May.10.05.07.52.1993.3559@athos.rutgers.edu> mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) writes:
>
>I have a strong preference for editions that do _not_ indent the beginning
>of each verse as if verses were paragraphs. The verse numbering is a
>relatively modern addition and should not be given undue prominence.
>
Does anyone know of an English language edition that does not show the
verse (or even chapter) numbers. I have always thought that such an
edition would be very useful - although hard to navigate around.
I have a Scots NT that doesn't show verse numbers, and it is great to
read, particularly longer narrative passages, but my Scots isn't quite
up to doing proper study from this edition - I tend to use it to get a
"feel" for a story, particularly in the gospels, and then use an
English edition to look for details.
Alison
[The original NEB put verse numbers only in the margin. The
Jerusalem Bible does the same, though they put a dot to mark the
boundaries between verses. --clh]
| 15soc.religion.christian |
If the Islanders beat the Devils tonight, they would finish with
identical records. Who's the lucky team that gets to face the Penguins
in the opening round? Also, can somebody list the rules for breaking
ties.
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
In article <C5y4t4.LA6@ccu.umanitoba.ca> klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger) writes:
>In <1r7pli$hoc@agate.berkeley.edu> robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson) writes:
>>Andy, when are you ever going to get it straight? All Yanks are
>>self-satisfied gits. It's the Canadians that are parochial ostriches.
>
> No, the Yanks are. We are are midway through our insipid invasion of
>Florida and they aren't even aware of it yet.
Typical. Their first attempt at foriegn-policy adventurism, and no one even
notices.
Canadians. They can even make balkanization boring.
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| 8rec.motorcycles |
In article <visser.735260518@convex.convex.com> visser@convex.com (Lance Visser) writes:
> Attorney General Vampira tells us that todays events were suppose
>to "save" those in the compound. Blowing holes in a building and
>gassing those inside was supposed to "save" them?
Well it may not have saved them (but they were Xians so they were
already "saved"). But it did save the taxpayers the expense of a
nasty trial (there's a budget deficit on, you know!). Not to mention
the costs of extending the seige any longer. And it saved the local
fire depratment the trouble of having to be on station when the feds
started their little action. And it saved the BATF/FBI the embarrassment
of a lot of nasty testimony and accusations by BD's. And let's not
forget how it saves future job-seekers and college-admission-seekers
from having to compete with all those kids in the compound who won't
be growing up to work or go to school. <sarcasm mode off>
But it doesn't save you guys on the net from having to hear me say,
"I told you so!" Whether Koresh started the fire or the feds did
the bottom line is the same: there's a whole lot of dead children
who would be alive today if they had been released back when we were
debating this a few weeks ago.
---peter
| 19talk.religion.misc |
Wanted restaurant equipment for starting a new restaurant
1) 4-6 Burner Stove
2) Hot Plate
3) Fryer
4) Stainless Steel tables, Shelves etc
5) Pots n Pans
and a number of other items
If interested, pl. email
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Member of Technical Staff |Center, West Virginia University
| 6misc.forsale |
>>>Can men get yeast infections? Spread them? What kind of symptoms?
My ENT doctor told me that it is not uncommon for the wife to get a vaginal
yeast infection after the husband takes antibiotics. In fact this recently
happened to my wife. Explanation is that the antibiotics kill the yeast's
competition, they then thrive and increased yeast around the penis spread
the infection during intercourse. I was on ceclor for 30 days, then my wife
got the yeast.
Jay Keller
badboy@netcom.com
| 13sci.med |
Sheesh! I must say Bill, that I am answering a lot of your BS today. I reckon
you should have an award for it. Isn't it about time that you started supporting
your arguements or shut up?
And now on with the show:
---------------------------------------------------------->
In article <1993Apr15.231515.19982@rambo.atlanta.dg.com>, wpr@atlanta.dg.com (Bill Rawlins) writes:
|> In article <C5FtJt.885@sunfish.usd.edu>, rfox@charlie.usd.edu (Rich Fox, Univ of South Dakota) writes:
|>
|> The problem is that most scientists exclude the possibility of the
|> supernatural in the question of origins. Is this is a fair premise?
|> I utterly reject the hypothesis that science is the highest form of
|> truth.
Then forward your reasons and your evidence.
|
|> Good deeds do not justify a person in God's sight.
|> An atonement (Jesus) is needed to atone for sin.
This is a non-sequiteur. For a start, if God (tm) exists, how do you know what
he is thinking?!
|
|>
|> My point: God is the creator. Look's like we agree.
Proof please.
|>
|> I'll send you some info via e-mail.
Please post it to the net. We could all do with a laugh.
|> Regards, Bill.
|>
|> --
|> ==========================================================
|> // Bill Rawlins <wpr@atlanta.dg.com> //
|> // "I speak for myself only" //
|> ==========================================================
Hwyl fawr,
Adda
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| eczcaw@mips.nott.ac.uk | 8o) Mae .sig 'ma ar werth! |
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| 19talk.religion.misc |
In article <1993Apr17.080321.18675@daffy.cs.wisc.edu>, mccullou@snake2.cs.wisc.edu (Mark McCullough) writes:
|> In article <1ql9a6$afp@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
|> >In article <1ql0ajINN2kj@gap.caltech.edu>, keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes:
|> >|> Well, chimps must have some system. They live in social groups
|> >|> as we do, so they must have some "laws" dictating undesired behavior.
|> >
|> >Ah, the verb "to must". I was warned about that one back
|> >in Kindergarten.
|> >
|> >So, why "must" they have such laws?
|> >
|> >jon.
|> Hey, must is a verb in some languages. Just happens it is only a modifier
|> in English. But, the verb of the sentence is to have. This is modified
|> by "must".
I know that "must" is a verb in some languages. I'm complaining
about the assertion containing the word must.
jon.
| 0alt.atheism |
In article <19604@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes:
|In article <1993Apr6.165840.5703@cnsvax.uwec.edu> mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:
|> The biggest reason why the cost of medical care is so EXTREMELY high and
|>increasing is that NATURAL methods of treatment and even diagnosis are still
|>being SYSTEMATICALLY IGNORED and SUPPRESSED by the MONEY-GRUBBING and POWER-
|>MONGERING "medical" establishment.
|That's not the half of it. Did you realize that all medical doctors have
|now been replaced by aliens?
Yup. By the way, what planet are you from, and once you got here, did
you encounter those prejudices against foreign medical graduates?
-- David Wright, Hitachi Computer Products (America), Inc. Waltham, MA
wright@hicomb.hi.com :: These are my opinions, not necessarily
Hitachi's, though they are the opinions of all right-thinking people
| 13sci.med |
In article <C5K177.BoK@world.std.com> rogerw@world.std.com (Roger A Williams) wrote:
>mdonahue@amiganet.chi.il.us (Mike Donahue) writes:
>
>
>>I do NOT know much about Adcom Mobil Audio products, but I DO know for a fact
>>that ADCOM does NOT make its own "High End" Home Audio Equptment and that 80%+
>>of it comes directly out of Tiawan...
>
>Like most high-volume manufacturers, Adcom has most of its PC boards
>assembled off-shore (in their case, mostly in the far east). Final
>assembly _and testing_ are done in East Brunswick.
>
and of course you older folks on the net will remember
way back when Adcom got its RAVE reviews and kudos (ca
1985 or so) their 555 amp and preamp WERE not only
designed here but built here in the USA. then they
went to mexico and then to taiwan right after their
sales skyrocketed because of their Stereopile
review!!! if you have units that old look for MADE IN
--- stickers on your unit.
| 12sci.electronics |
In article <1993Apr27.075011.12624@wuecl.wustl.edu>
eah1@gauguin.wustl.edu (Edward Anthony Hutchins) writes:
>[modify] pgp to allow it to compress/decompress 144 bit frames
>every 30msec...
>As part of the project I'm working on now, we're trying to get CELP up and
>running in realtime full duplex mode... I gotta find the source to pgp and
>see how tough it would be to integrate the en/decryption parts into the code.
I presume you are just going to use IDEA for the session encryption and
transmit the session key with RSA?
David R. Conrad "No his mind is not for rent/To any god or government"
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| 11sci.crypt |
Any clue? Some times when I enter Win 3.1 ProgMan says that I need to rebuild
a group! It's quite annoying!
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
I have an addition to the FAQ regarding "why are there no atheist
hospitals."
If I recall correctly, Johns Hopkins was built to provide medical
services without the "backing" of a religious group...thus making it a
hospital "dedicated to the glory of [weak] atheism."
Might someone check up on this?
--
Brian Evans | "Bad mood, bad mood...Sure I'm in a bad mood!
bevans@carina.unm.edu | I haven't had sex...*EVER!*" -- Virgin Mary
| 0alt.atheism |
I've done a bit of looking, and havn't been able to
come up with a mailing list or newsgroup for users
of Adobe Photoshop. Assuming I've just not missed
it, I'll go ahead and see if there is enough interest
to start a mailing list (and/or alt. newsgroup).
Drop me a note if you might be interested in subscribing.
THANKS!
--Bob Wier (NOT of the Grateful Dead :-)
======== insert usual disclaimers here ============
Bob Wier, East Texas State U., Commerce, Texas
Historic Image Processing Project
wier@merlin.etsu.edu (watch for address change)
| 1comp.graphics |
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| 6misc.forsale |
In article <C4zvvG.50D@unix.amherst.edu> nwbernst@unix.amherst.edu (Neil Bernstein) writes:
: Pardon me? Here is to an amherst-clown:
:
: "Your three chiefs, Dro, Hamazasp and Kulkhandanian are the ringleaders
: of the bands which have destroyed Tartar villages and have staged
: massacres in Zangezour, Surmali, Etchmiadzin, and Zangibasar. This is
: intolerable.
>This is about Armenia.
Were you expecting a different response? Here is another one:
Source: K. S. Papazian, "Patriotism Perverted," Baikar Press, Boston, 1934,
(73 pages with Appendix).
p. 25 (third paragraph)
"Some real fighters sprang up from among the people, who struck terror
into the hearts of the Turks."
"Within a few months after the war began, these Armenian guerrilla
forces, operating in close coordination with the Russians, were
savagely attacking Turkish cities, towns and villages in the east,
massacring their inhabitants without mercy, while at the same time
working to sabotage the Ottoman army's war effort by destroying roads
and bridges, raiding caravans, and doing whatever else they could to
ease Russian occupation. The atrocities committed by the Armenian
volunteer forces accompanying the Russian army were so severe that the
Russian commanders themselves were compelled to withdraw them from the
fighting fronts and sent them to rear guard duties. The memoirs of many
Russian officers who served in the east at this time are filled with
accounts of the revolting atrocities committed by these Armenian
guerrillas, which were savage even by relatively primitive standards of
war then observed in such areas.[1]"
[1] "Journal de Guerre du Deuxieme d'Artillerie de Forteresse Russe
d'Erzeroum," 1919, p. 28.
: >honored me by reproducing my text. Unfortunately, he has still not produced
: >the "documents" on "Jews in LATVIA." Instead, he asks for my views on the
: >"Turkish Genocide." Well, that debate seems to be going on in a few hundred
: >other threads. I'll let other people bring the usual charges, try to debunk
: >Mutlu/Argic/Cosar (a net-wide Terrorism Triangle?) and their spurious evidence.
:
: When that does ever happen, look out the window to see if there is a
: non-fascist x-Soviet Armenian Government in the East. Now, where is
: your non-existent list of scholars? What a moronian. During the First
: World War and the ensuing years - 1914-1920, the Armenian Dictatorship
: through a premeditated and systematic genocide, tried to complete its
: centuries-old policy of annihilation against the Turks and Kurds by
: savagely murdering 2.5 million Muslims and deporting the rest from
: their 1,000 year homeland.
>This paragraph is well-written and interesting, Serdar baby, but it has nothing
>to do with Jews in LATVIA. I have not presented a list of scholars.
How could you? Because there is none.
>I am not
>interested in an ex-Soviet (why do you write x-? It's very cute) Armenian
>Government, non-fascist or otherwise. You are not responding to what I am
>writing. Instead, you are autoposting your own particular brand of bullshit.
Like conversing with a brick wall. And you are not responding to what I
am writing. By the way, that "bullshit" is justly regarded as the first
instance of Genocide in the 20th Century acted upon an entire people.
For nearly one thousand years, the Turkish and Kurdish people lived
on their homeland - the last one hundred under the oppressive Soviet
and Armenian occupation. The persecutions culminated in 1914: The
Armenian Government planned and carried out a Genocide against its
Muslim subjects. 2.5 million Turks and Kurds were murdered and the
remainder driven out of their homeland. After one thousand years,
Turkish and Kurdish lands were empty of Turks and Kurds.
The survivors found a safe heaven in Turkiye.
Today, x-Soviet Armenian government rejects the right of Turks and
Kurds to return to their Muslim lands occupied by x-Soviet Armenia.
Today, x-Soviet Armenia covers up the genocide perpetrated by its
predecessors and is therefore an accessory to this crime against
humanity.
x-Soviet Armenia must pay for its crime of genocide against the Muslims
by admitting to the crime and making reparations to the Turks and Kurds.
>You have now done so four times in a row. May I legitimately conclude that
>you are not, indeed, a regular net-user, but an auto-posting computer program?
>(which, for convenience, I have called MUTLU.EXE.)
You may assert whatever you wish.
>Here we go with MUTLU.EXE's famed list of sources:
Ditto.
: The attempt at genocide is justly regarded as the first instance
: of Genocide in the 20th Century acted upon an entire people.
: This event is incontrovertibly proven by historians, government
: and international political leaders, such as U.S. Ambassador Mark
: Bristol, ...
>(and on and on for 46 lines)
And still anxiously awaiting...
: .......so the list goes on and on and on.....
:
: >I'm still trying to find out about those Jews in LATVIA. Can you post those
: >documents PLEEEEEEEASE, Mr. Argic? Puh-leeze could you? C'mon, it's my
: >birthday in three weeks... post them for me as a birthday present.
:
: Remember, the issue at hand is the cold-blooded genocide of 2.5 million
: Muslim people by the Armenians between 1914-1920, and the Armenian-Nazi
: collaboration during World War II. Anything to add?
>No, darling, READ what I post! Other people are asking you about the Turkish
>genocide. I am asking you to produce the documents on Jews in Latvia. No
>matter how many times you erase what I post, I will still post the same
>question. Post the documents on Jews in Latvia. Do not autopost the same
>block of text about the Turkish genocide.
Remember, the issue at hand is the Armenian-Nazi collaboration during
World War II and the Turkish Genocide. And I still fail to see how
you can challenge the following western sources.
Source: John Dewey: "The New Republic," Vol. 40, Nov. 12, 1928, pp. 268-9.
"Happy the minority [Jews] which has had no Christian nation to protect it.
And one recalls that the Jews took up their abode in 'fanatic' Turkey
when they were expelled from Europe, especially Spain, by Saintly Christians,
and they have lived here for centuries in at least as much tranquility and
liberty as their fellow Turkish subjects, all being exposed alike to the
rapacity of their common rulers. To one brought up, as most Americans have
been, in the Gladstonian and foreign-missionary tradition, the condition of
the Jews in Turkey is almost a mathematical demonstration that religious
differences have had an influence in the tragedy of Turkey only as they
were combined with aspirations for a political separation which every
nation in the world would have treated as treasonable. One readily
reaches the conclusion that the Jews in Turkey were fortunate..."
He also stated that:
"they [Armenians] traitorously turned Turkish cities over to the Russian
invader; that they boasted of having raised an army of one hundred and
fifty thousand men to fight a civil war, and that they burned at least
a hundred Turkish villages and exterminated their population."
: >I want the documents of Jews in Latvia. I think several other
: >people on soc.culture.greek are already disputing with you about the Turkish
: >Genocide.
:
: Is this the joke of the month? Who, when, how, where? What a clown...
>No, sweetie, the joke of the month is that you have now posted the same
>block of text four times, but you still have not produced the documents on
>Jews in Latvia. Instead, you post the same text you post in every other
>message, that same old McCarthy table: (how appropriate it's named "McCarthy!")
How about Prof Shaw, a Jewish scholar?
Source: Stanford J. Shaw, on Armenian collaboration with invading Russian
armies in 1914, "History of the Ottoman Empire and Modern Turkey (Volume
II: Reform, Revolution & Republic: The Rise of Modern Turkey, 1808-1975)."
(London, Cambridge University Press 1977). pp. 315-316.
"In April 1915 Dashnaks from Russian Armenia organized a revolt in the city
of Van, whose 33,789 Armenians comprised 42.3 percent of the population,
closest to an Armenian majority of any city in the Empire...Leaving Erivan
on April 28, 1915, Armenian volunteers reached Van on May 14 and organized
and carried out a general slaughter of the local Muslim population during
the next two days while the small Ottoman garrison had to retreat to the
southern side of the lake."
"Knowing their numbers would never justify their territorial ambitions,
Armenians looked to Russia and Europe for the fulfillment of their aims.
Armenian treachery in this regard culminated at the beginning of the First
World War with the decision of the revolutionary organizations to refuse
to serve their state, the Ottoman Empire, and to assist instead other
invading Russian armies. Their hope was their participation in the Russian
success would be rewarded with an independent Armenian state carved out of
Ottoman territories. Armenian political leaders, army officers, and common
soldiers began deserting in droves."
"With the Russian invasion of eastern Anatolia in 1914 at the beginning of
World War I, the degree of Armenian collaboration with the Ottoman's enemy
increased drastically. Ottoman supply lines were cut by guerilla attacks,
Armenian revolutionaries armed Armenian civil populations, who in turn
massacred the Muslim population of the province of Van in anticipation of
expected arrival of the invading Russian armies."
Source: Stanford J. Shaw, "History of the Ottoman Empire and Modern Turkey,"
Vol II. Cambridge University Press, London, 1979, pp. 314-317.
"...Meanwhile, Czar Nicholas II himself came to the Caucasus to make final
plans for cooperation with the Armenians against the Ottomans, with the
president of the Armenian National Bureau in Tiflis declaring in response:
'From all countries Armenians are hurrying to enter the ranks of the
glorious Russian Army, with their blood to serve the victory of Russian
arms...Let the Russian flag wave freely over the Dardanelles and the
Bosporus. Let, with Your will, great Majesty, the peoples remaining
under the Turkish yoke receive freedom. Let the Armenian people of Turkey
who have suffered for the faith of Christ receive resurrection for a new
free life under the protection of Russia.'[155]
Armenians again flooded into the czarist armies. Preparations were made
to strike the Ottomans from the rear, and the czar returned to St. Petersburg
confident that the day finally had come for him to reach Istanbul."
[155] Horizon, Tiflis, November 30, 1914, quoted by Hovannisian, "Road to
Independence," p. 45; FO 2485, 2484/46942, 22083.
"Ottoman morale and military position in the east were seriously hurt, and
the way was prepared for a new Russian push into eastern Anatolia, to be
accompanied by an open Armenian revolt against the sultan.[156]"
[156] Hovannisian, "Road to Independence," pp. 45-47; Bayur, III/1,
pp. 349-380; W.E.D. Allen and P. Muratoff, "Caucasian Battlefields,"
Cambridge, 1953, pp. 251-277; Ali Ihsan Sabis, "Harb Hahralaram," 2 vols.,
Ankara, 1951, II, 41-160; FO 2146 no. 70404; FO 2485; FO 2484, nos.
46942 and 22083.
"An Armenian state was organized at Van under Russian protection, and it
appeared that with the Muslim natives dead or driven away, it might be
able to maintain itself at one of the oldest centers of ancient Armenian
civilization. An Armenian legion was organized 'to expel the Turks from
the entire southern shore of the lake in preparation for a concerted
Russian drive into the Bitlis vilayet.'[162] Thousands of Armenians from
Mus and other major centers in the east began to flood into the new
Armenian state...By mid-July there were as many as 250,000 Armenians
crowded into the Van area, which before the crisis had housed and fed
no more than 50,000 people, Muslim and non-Muslim alike.[163]"
[162] Hovannisian, "Road to Independence," p. 56; FOP 2488, nos. 127223 and
58350.
[163] BVA, Meclis-i Vukela Mazbatalari, debates of August 15-17, 1915;
Babi-i Ali Evrak Odasi, no. 175, 321, "Van Ihtilali ve Katl-i Ami,"
Zilkade 1333/10 September 1915.
: Muslim population exterminated by the Armenians:
>(31 lines deleted)
Why?
: Who gives a thunder about your pseudo-scholar jokes? I'am arguing about
: the Armenian-Nazi colaboration during World War II. Any comment?
>Argue it with someone else or do not reply to my posts, Argic my love. I
>am not arguing about the Armenian-Nazi collaboration. I do not give a
>thunder about it. I want you to do one of three things:
>a) admit that you are not a regular user, but a computer autoposting Turkish
>propaganda, or,
>b) post the documents on Jews in Latvia, or,
>c) run away, like the coward without a real address that you are, and do not
>reply to my posts.
It could be, perhaps, your head wasn't screwed on just right. In 1941,
while the Jews were being assembled for their doom in the Nazi concentration
camps, the Armenian volunteers in Germany formed the first Armenian
battalion to fight alongside the Nazis. In 1943, this battalion had
grown into eight battalions of 20,000-strong under the command of the
former guerilla leader Dro (the butcher), who was the former dictator of the
short-lived Armenian Dictatorship (1918-1920) and the architect of the
cold-blooded genocide of 2.5 million Turks and Kurds between 1914-1920.
An Armenian National Council was formed by the notorious Dashnak Party
leaders in Berlin, which was recognized by the Nazis. Encouraged by
this, the Armenians summarily formed a provisional government that endorsed
and espoused fully the principles of the Nazis and declared themselves as the
members of the Aryan super race and full participants to Hitler's policy of
extermination of the Jews.
This Armenian-Nazi conspiracy against the Jews during WWII was an "encore"
performance staged by the Armenians during WWI, when they back-stabbed and
exterminated 2.5 million Turks by colluding with the invading Russian army.
Furthermore, as McCarthy put it, the Armenian dictatorship was granted
a respite when the Ottomans admitted defeat and signed the Mudros
Armistice with the Allies (October 30, 1918). The Allies had decided
to create a Greater Armenia, including the old Russian province
of Yerevan and adjoining areas, as well as most parts of Anatolia
claimed by the Armenian fanatics. Only the area called Cilicia
(around the Ottoman province of Adana) was to be excluded, as it
had already been claimed by the French. The Allies quickly set
about attempting to disarm Ottoman soldiers and other Turks, who
could be expected to oppose their plans.
On April 19, 1919 the British Army occupied Kars, gave civilian
and military power over to the Armenians, then withdrew. The British
planned for Kars to be included in the Armenian Dictatorship, even
though the Russian pre-war census had shown Kars Province to be over
60% Muslim. The Turks of Kars were effectively disarmed, but the
British could not disarm the Kurds of the mountains. The fate of
the Turks was almost an exact replica of what had occurred earlier
in Eastern Anatolia. Murder, pillage, genocide and the destruction
of Turkish homes and entire Turkish villages drove the Turks of
Kars to the mountains or south and west to the safety afforded
by remaining units of the Ottoman Army. The British had left
the scene to the Armenian genocide squads. Therefore, few
Europeans were present to observe the genocide. One British
soldier, Colonel Rawlinson, who was assigned to supervise the
disarmament of Otoman soldiers, saw what was occurring.
Rawlinson wired to his superiors,
"in the interest of humanity the Armenians should not be left in
independent command of the Moslim population, as, their troops
being without discipline and not being under effective control,
atrocities were constantly being committed."
>Instead, you post more Armenian nonsense:
Come again?
: "These European Dashnags, with headquarters in Berlin, appealed to...
>(34 lines deleted)
Why?
: No wonder you are in such a mess. Here are the Armenian sources on the
: Turkish Holocaust.
>(30+ lines deleted)
Why?
>(list of dead Armenians, 100+ lines, deleted):
Obrother. Spell it out, "list of dead Muslims":
Source: Documents: Volume I (1919).
"Document No: 64," Archive No: 1/2, Cabin No: 109, Drawer
No: 4, File No: 359, Section No: 103(1435), Contents No: 3-20.
(To Acting Supreme Command - Socialist Salah Cimcoz, Socialist
Nesim Mazelyah)
"Armenian gangs have been murdering and inflicting cruelties on
innocent people of the region. This verified information, supported
by clear statements of reliable eyewitnesses, was also confirmed by
General Odishelidje, Commander of the Russian Caucasian Army.
Armenians are entering every place evacuated by Russians carrying out
murders, cruelties, rape and all kind of atrocities which cannot be
expressed in writing, murdering all the women, children, aged people
who happen to be in the street. These barbarous murders repeated
every day with new methods continue and the Russian Army has been urged
to intervene to terminate these atrocities. Public opinion is appalled
and horrified. Newspapers are describing the happenings as shocking.
We have decided to inform all our friends urgently about the situation."
"Document No: 65," Archive No: 4/3671, Cabin No: 163, Drawer
No: 5, File No: 2947, Section No: 628, Contents No: 3-1, 3-3.
(To Acting Supreme Command - Commander, 3rd Army General)
"The situation in the cities of Erzincan and Erzurum which we have
recently taken over is given below:
These two beautiful cities of our country which are alike in the
calamities and destruction which they suffered, have been destroyed,
as the specially designed and built public and private buildings of
these cities were deliberately burnt by Armenians apart from the
destruction suffered during the two-year Russian occupation.
All barracks buildings of Erzincan, the cavalry barracks in Erzurum,
the Government building and Army Corps Headquarters are among those
burnt. In short, both cities are burnt, destroyed and trees cut down.
As to the people of these cities:
All people old enough to use weapons rounded up, taken to the Sarikamis
direction for road building and were slaughtered. The remaining people,
were subject to cruelties and murder by Armenians following the
withdrawal of Russians and were partly annihilated the corpses thrown
into wells, burnt in houses, mutilated by bayonets, their abdomens
ripped open in slaughterhouses, their lungs and livers torn out, girls
and women hung up by their hair, after all kinds of devilish acts.
The few people who were able to survive these cruelties, worse than
those of the 'Spanish Inquisition,' are in poverty more dead than alive,
horrified, some driven insane, about 1500 in Erzincan and 30,000 in
Erzurum. The people are hungry and in poverty, for whatever they had
has been taken away from them, their lands left uncultivated.
The people have just been able to exist with some provisions found in
stores left over from the Russians. The villages round Erzincan and
Erzurum are in the worst condition. Some villages on the road, have
been leveled to the ground, leaving no stone, the people completely
massacred.
Let me submit to your information with deep grief and regret that
history has never before witnessed cruelties at such dimensions."
: (a long list)
: (a long list)"
And still anxiously awaiting...
Serdar Argic
'We closed the roads and mountain passes that
might serve as ways of escape for the Turks
and then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
(Ohanus Appressian - 1919)
'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists
a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
In <1993Apr18.153820.10118@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>In article <93106.082502ACPS6992@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca> Raj Ramnarace <ACPS6992@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca> writes:
>>did anyone else see this game last night ? just like a playoff game!!
>>lots of hitting...but I was disappointed by the video goal judge...
>>on all replays, joe murphy's goal shouldn't have counted ! it didn't go in net
>>!! and according to the tsn broadcasters, the video goal judge said that he
>>saw the water bottle on top of the cage move so he assumed the puck went in!
>>this is terrible...hope crap like this doesn't occur in the playoffs!
>>the game would have ended in 2-2 tie !
>I thought the red light went on...thus, in the review, the presumption
>would be to find conclusive evidence that the puck did not go in the
>net...from the replays I say, even from the rear, the evidence wasn't
>conclusive that the puck was in or out...in my opinion...
It seemed pretty conclusive to me. The puck clearly hit the crossbar
and then came down on the line. And the announcers, admittedly homers,
kept harping about how they "must have had a different view upstairs"
because it was obvious to them, and, I would have thought, to anyone who
saw the replay, that the puck didn't go in. The referee originally
signalled no goal but the video replay "judges" initiated contact with
the referee to claim that a goal was in fact scored. This, to me, is
unheard of. Seeing stuff like this happen gives me a bad feeling about
the Leaf chances this year.
cordially, as always,
rm
--
Roger Maynard
maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
Hi *,
Has anyone out there compile a list of X security holes?? If
yes, will you please send me a copy of this?? If this is a
wrong group, please point me to a right one. Thanks!!
BTW, the list doesn't have to contain the info "How to use
the holes?". Instead, I need the info of how to detect
the holes, how to seal the holes, and how to monitor the
activities if possible.
Any info is welcomed. Thanks!!
--Eric
--
***************************************--- Grad. student ---*
* Obviousness is always the enemy of * \ Jui-Lin Lu (Eric) / *
* correctness. -- Bertrand Russell * / jlu@cs.umr.edu \ *
***************************************--- Univ. of Missouri-Rolla ---*
| 5comp.windows.x |
> - Mike Walker
>
>[If you are using the standard formula of fully God and fully human,
>that I'm not sure why you object to saying that Jesus was human. I
>think the usual analysis would be that sin is not part of the basic
>definition of humanity. It's a consequence of the fall. Jesus is
>human, but not a fallen human. --clh]
The proper term for what Mike expresses is Monophysitism. This was a
heresy that was condemned in the Council of Chalcedon in 451 AD. It
grew up in reaction to Nestorianism, which held that the Son and Jesus
are two different people who happened to be united in the same body
temporarily. Monophysitism is held by the Copts of Egypt and Ethipoia
and by the Jacobites of Syria and the Armenian Orthodox. It believes
that Jesus Christ was God (which is correct), that he was man (which is
correct), that he was one person (which is correct), but that he had
only one nature and one will and oen energy (which is heretical, the
orthodox position is that he had two natures and two wills and two
energies, both divine and human, though the wills were in perfect
harmony). That is what Mike is trying to get across, that while Jesus
came in human form, Mike says He did not have a human nature or a human
will. In reality, he had both, though neither made him subject to
original sin.
It is interesting to note that the Monothelites were a reaction to this
conflict and attempted to solve the problem by admitting two natures but
not two wills or two energies. It also was condemned, at a late council
in Constantinople I believe.
Andy Byler
[These issues get mighty subtle. When you see people saying different
things it's often hard to tell whether they really mean seriously
different things, or whether they are using different terminology. I
don't think there's any question that there is a problem with
Nestorius, and I would agree that the saying Christ had a human form
without a real human nature or will is heretical. But I'd like to be
a bit wary about the Copts, Armenians, etc. Recent discussions
suggest that their monophysite position may not be as far from
orthodoxy as many had thought. Nestorius was an extreme
representative of one of the two major schools of thought. More
moderate representatives were regarded as orthodox, e.g. Theodore of
Mopsuestia. My impression is that the modern monophysite groups
inherit the entire tradition, not just Nestorius' version, and that
some of them may have a sufficient balanced position to be regarded as
orthodox. --clh]
| 15soc.religion.christian |
In article <1993Apr23.210109.21120@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> brian@lpl.arizona.edu (Brian Ceccarelli 602/621-9615) writes:
>> Kent, I am not accusing you of evil things. Jesus is accusing you.
>> And it is not only you that He is accusing. He is accusing everyone.
>> Me, you and everyone in the world is guilty. Whether one
>> sees the light or does not seen the light has nothing to do with
>> whether we do evil things. We do them regardless.
>Have you ever made a mistake? Have you ever lied to someone? Even a
>little white lie? Have you ever claimed to know something that you really
>didn't know? Have you ever hated someone? Have you ever been selfish?
>Are you guilty of any one of these? The answer is of course, YES. You
>are guilty. Period. That is it what Jesus is getting at. No big surprise.
>Feelings do not even enter the picture. Consider Jesus's use of the word
>"guilt" as how a court uses it.
You said everyone in the world. That means *everyone* in the world, including
children that are not old enough to speak, let alone tell lies. If Jesus
says "everyone", you cannot support that by referring to a group of people
somewhat smaller than "everyone".
--
"On the first day after Christmas my truelove served to me... Leftover Turkey!
On the second day after Christmas my truelove served to me... Turkey Casserole
that she made from Leftover Turkey.
[days 3-4 deleted] ... Flaming Turkey Wings! ...
-- Pizza Hut commercial (and M*tlu/A*gic bait)
Ken Arromdee (arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu)
| 19talk.religion.misc |
Well, just got all the parts replaced that needed replced
(sprokets+chain) and notice that engine still taps like it did before.
All our local 'experts' say it's the tappits that need some adjusting so
I am soon to attempt that. I would like any advice anyone had. I do
not have a shop manual but have read about the procedure in Chiltons and
in a few other places. Is there anything I need to be particularaly
carful of? Any problems anyone else has encountered?
I ride a 1981 Yamaha Exciter 250cc (stop laughing, it's tiny, but it's
shiny)
--
| Matthew Sheppard CLARKSON UNIVERSITY sheppamj@sun.soe.clarkson.edu |
| I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.ANoN |
| I don't want a pickle. DoD#477 TEP#477 RIDE FREE (8^]..etcetera.. |
| 8rec.motorcycles |
BLUES PLAYOFF SCORING THROUGH END OF NORRIS SEMIFINALS
------------------------------------------------------
PS # NAME GP G A Pts. +/- PIM PP SH GW EN
-- -- ---- -- -- -- ---- --- --- -- -- -- --
RW 16 Brett Hull 4 5 3 8 +2 0 4 0 2 0
C 15 Craig Janney 4 2 4 6 +1 0 1 0 2 0
D 21 Jeff Brown 4 1 5 6 +1 4 0 0 0 0
LW 19 Brendan Shanahan 4 2 3 5 0 6 2 0 0 0
C 7 Nelson Emerson 4 1 2 3 +1 2 0 0 0 0
RW 9 *Denny Felsner 4 1 1 2 +2 2 0 0 0 0
LW 10 Dave Lowry 4 1 0 1 +2 2 0 1 0 0
LW 17 Basil McRae 4 0 1 1 +1 2 0 0 0 0
LW 14 Kevin Miller 4 0 1 1 -1 2 0 0 0 0
RW 23 Rich Sutter 4 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 0
C 28 Bob Bassen 4 0 0 0 -1 6 0 0 0 0
LW 36 *Philippe Bozon 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
C 18 Ron Wilson 4 0 0 0 -2 4 0 0 0 0
D 5 Garth Butcher 4 0 0 0 +1 2 0 0 0 0
D 33 Stephane Quintal 4 0 0 0 +1 0 0 0 0 0
D 44 *Bret Hedican 4 0 0 0 0 8 0 0 0 0
D 34 Murray Baron 4 0 0 0 -1 8 0 0 0 0
D 4 Rick Zombo 4 0 0 0 -1 10 0 0 0 0
G 31 Curtis Joseph 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
D 6 Doug Crossman 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
C 22 Ron Sutter 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
RW 38 *Igor Korolev 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
RW 39 Kelly Chase 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
D 2 Curt Giles 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
G 29 *Guy Hebert 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
* Rookie
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31 Curtis Joseph 4 251 6 1.43 4 0 0 2 140 .957
29 *Guy Hebert 0 00 0 0.00 0 0 0 0 00 ---
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Team Totals 4 251 6 1.43 4 0 0 2 140 .957
SO -- Shutouts ; SA -- Shots Against.
Goals 13 6
1st Period 4 1
2nd Period 3 4
3rd Period 5 1
Overtime 1 0
Power-play goals 7/29 1/24
Short-handed goals 1 0
Empty-net goals 0 0
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% \ \_)____________/ A L L E Z L E S B L U E S ! ! ! *
* \ __________/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ %
% \ ________/ *
* \ _______/ Joe Ashkar %
% \ \ Contact for the Blues *
* \ \ SAINT LOUIS jca2@cec1.wustl.edu %
% (___) BLUES *
*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
I predict that the outcome of the study of what went wrong with the
Federal Assault in Waco will result in future assaults of that type
being conducted as full-scale military operations with explicit
shoot-to-kill directives.
--
Dave Feustel N9MYI <feustel@netcom.com>
I'm beginning to look forward to reaching the %100 allocation of taxes
to pay for the interest on the national debt. At that point the
federal government will be will go out of business for lack of funds.
| 16talk.politics.guns |
In article <C5Kys1.C6r@panix.com> dannyb@panix.com (Daniel Burstein) writes:
>A short story in the newspaper a few days ago made some sort of mention
>about how the Japanese, using what sounded like a gravity assist, had just
>managed to crash (or crash-land) a package on the moon.
Their Hiten engineering-test mission spent a while in a highly eccentric
Earth orbit doing lunar flybys, and then was inserted into lunar orbit
using some very tricky gravity-assist-like maneuvering. This meant that
it would crash on the Moon eventually, since there is no such thing as
a stable lunar orbit (as far as anyone knows), and I believe I recall
hearing recently that it was about to happen.
--
All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology
- Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry
| 14sci.space |
In article <1993Apr16.173252.7393@asd.com>, scott@asd.com (Scott Barman) says:
>
>Wasn't Ron Bloomberg, the former Yankee who got the first base hit
>by a Designated Hitter, Jewish??
i have no idea, nor do i care. however, i'd like to point out that
blomberg got the first plate appearance by a designated hitter, and
the first walk by a designated hitter. i am not sure, but i do not
think that he also got the first hit by a designated hitter.
bob vesterman.
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
Hi folks!
Recently saw one post about KREME being a *bad idea*, but that was only
one man's opinion.
Any one else have any experience with the stuff?
| 8rec.motorcycles |
kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov (Hey, that's me!) wrote:
: I have 19 (2 MB worth!) uuencode'd GIF images contain charts outlining
: one of the many alternative Space Station designs being considered in
: Crystal City. [...]
I just posted the GIF files out for anonymous FTP on server ics.uci.edu.
You can retrieve them from:
ics.uci.edu:incoming/geode01.gif
ics.uci.edu:incoming/geode02.gif
ics.uci.edu:incoming/geode03.gif
ics.uci.edu:incoming/geode04.gif
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ics.uci.edu:incoming/geode17.gif
ics.uci.edu:incoming/geodeA.gif
ics.uci.edu:incoming/geodeB.gif
The last two are scanned color photos; the others are scanned briefing
charts.
These will be deleted by the ics.uci.edu system manager in a few days,
so now's the time to grab them if you're interested. Sorry it took
me so long to get these out, but I was trying for the Ames server,
but it's out of space.
-- Ken Jenks, NASA/JSC/GM2, Space Shuttle Program Office
kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov (713) 483-4368
"The earth is the cradle of humanity, but mankind will not stay in
the cradle forever." -- Konstantin Tsiolkvosky
| 14sci.space |
In article <nyikos.735335582@milo.math.scarolina.edu>, nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:
>In <syt5br_@rpi.edu> rocker@acm.rpi.edu (rocker) writes:
>
>>In <1qk73q$3fj@agate.berkeley.edu> dzkriz@ocf.berkeley.edu (Dennis Kriz) writes:
>
>>>If one is paying for a PRIVATE health insurance plan and DOES NOT WANT
>>>"abortion coverage" there is NO reason for that person to be COMPLELLED
>>>to pay for it. (Just as one should not be compelled to pay for lipposuction
>>>coverage if ONE doesn't WANT that kind of coverage).
>
[...stuff deleted...]
There's a very good reason for it. The insurance industry sets it's premiums
through a spread-the-cost-of-risk approach. (Yes, even though
non-smokers pay less, they still pay more than if there were no smokers
at all. And smokers pay for CEO quadruple bypass operations. And it
just goes on and on.) Insurance is capitalist-socialism at its very best.
And if you don't like it, you're only choice right now is not to
participate at all, else start up your very own firm that ignores the
risks you don't like.
--
jim halat halat@bear.com
bear-stearns --whatever doesn't kill you will only serve to annoy you--
nyc i speak only for myself
| 18talk.politics.misc |
In article <93131.085451BAV2@psuvm.psu.edu> Boris A. Veytsman <BAV2@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>Maybe the following example helps. It is understandable that the
>views of A-gic are his alone. Nevertheless any independent or
'Alone'? Sorry, but the following western scholars are forced to disagree
with you. During the First World War and the ensuing years - 1914-1920,
the Armenians through a premeditated and systematic genocide,
tried to complete its centuries-old policy of annihilation against
the Turks and Kurds by savagely murdering 2.5 million Muslims and
deporting the rest from their 1,000 year homeland.
The attempt at genocide is justly regarded as the first instance
of Genocide in the 20th Century acted upon an entire people.
This event is incontrovertibly proven by historians, government
and international political leaders, such as U.S. Ambassador Mark
Bristol, William Langer, Ambassador Layard, James Barton, Stanford
Shaw, Arthur Chester, John Dewey, Robert Dunn, Papazian, Nalbandian,
Ohanus Appressian, Jorge Blanco Villalta, General Nikolayef, General
Bolkovitinof, General Prjevalski, General Odiselidze, Meguerditche,
Kazimir, Motayef, Twerdokhlebof, General Hamelin, Rawlinson, Avetis
Aharonian, Dr. Stephan Eshnanie, Varandian, General Bronsart, Arfa,
Dr. Hamlin, Boghos Nubar, Sarkis Atamian, Katchaznouni, Rachel
Bortnick, Halide Edip, McCarthy, W. B. Allen, Paul Muratoff and many
others.
J. C. Hurewitz, Professor of Government Emeritus, Former Director of
the Middle East Institute (1971-1984), Columbia University.
Bernard Lewis, Cleveland E. Dodge Professor of Near Eastern History,
Princeton University.
Halil Inalcik, University Professor of Ottoman History & Member of
the American Academy of Arts & Sciences, University of Chicago.
Peter Golden, Professor of History, Rutgers University, Newark.
Stanford Shaw, Professor of History, University of California at
Los Angeles.
Thomas Naff, Professor of History & Director, Middle East Research
Institute, University of Pennsylvania.
Ronald Jennings, Associate Professor of History & Asian Studies,
University of Illinois.
Howard Reed, Professor of History, University of Connecticut.
Dankwart Rustow, Distinguished University Professor of Political
Science, City University Graduate School, New York.
John Woods, Associate Professor of Middle Eastern History,
University of Chicago.
John Masson Smith, Jr., Professor of History, University of
California at Berkeley.
Alan Fisher, Professor of History, Michigan State University.
Avigdor Levy, Professor of History, Brandeis University.
Andreas G. E. Bodrogligetti, Professor of History, University of California
at Los Angeles.
Kathleen Burrill, Associate Professor of Turkish Studies, Columbia University.
Roderic Davison, Professor of History, George Washington University.
Walter Denny, Professor of History, University of Massachusetts.
Caesar Farah, Professor of History, University of Minnesota.
Tom Goodrich, Professor of History, Indiana University of Pennsylvania.
Tibor Halasi-Kun, Professor Emeritus of Turkish Studies, Columbia University.
Justin McCarthy, Professor of History, University of Louisville.
Jon Mandaville, Professor of History, Portland State University (Oregon).
Robert Olson, Professor of History, University of Kentucky.
Madeline Zilfi, Professor of History, University of Maryland.
James Stewart-Robinson, Professor of Turkish Studies, University of Michigan.
.......so the list goes on and on and on.....
As for the genocide of the Azeri people by the Armenians:
Source: Channel 4 News at 19.00, Monday 2 March 1992.
2 French journalists have seen 32 corpses of men, women and children
in civilian clothes. Many of them shot dead from their heads as close
as less than 1 meter.
Source: BBC1 Morning news at 07.37, Tuesday 3 March 1992.
BBC reporter was live on line and he claimed that he saw more than 100
bodies of Azeri men, women and children as well as a baby who are shot
dead from their heads from a very short distance.
Source: BBC1 Morning news at 08:12, Tuesday 3 March 1992.
Very disturbing picture has shown that many civilian corpses who were
picked up from mountain. Reporter said he, cameraman and Western
Journalists have seen more than 100 corpses, who are men, women,
children, massacred by Armenians. They have been shot dead from their
heads as close as 1 meter. Picture also has shown nearly ten bodies
(mainly women and children) are shot dead from their heads. Azerbaijan
claimed that more than 1000 civilians massacred by Armenian forces.
Serdar Argic
'We closed the roads and mountain passes that
might serve as ways of escape for the Turks
and then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
(Ohanus Appressian - 1919)
'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists
a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
Does anyone know if any of Currier and Ives etchings have been digitized for
use in desktop publishing? I am particularly interested in their riverboat
scenes. Does anyone know who can get me (for a fee) a good, digitized river-
boat image?
Thank you,
David Dumas
--
David Dumas
dmd2@Isis.MsState.Edu
--
David Dumas
dmd2@Isis.MsState.Edu
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In article <C5rEKJ.49y@darkside.osrhe.uoknor.edu> bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner) writes:
>James Felder (spbach@lerc.nasa.gov) wrote:
>
>: Logic alert - argument from incredulity. Just because it is hard for you
>: to believe this doesn't mean that it isn't true. Liars can be very pursuasive
>: just look at Koresh that you yourself cite.
>
>This is whole basis of a great many here rejecting the Christian
>account of things. In the words of St. Madalyn Murrey-O'Hair, "Face it
>folks, it's just silly ...". Why is it okay to disbelieve because of
>your incredulity if you admit that it's a fallacy?
It isn't. And I wasn't aware that this O'Hair chick was a reader of
a.a., so that doesn't support your assertion that the argument is
"the whole basis of a great many HERE rejecting...".
Dan
| 0alt.atheism |
Mr. Nice Guy (rcanders@nyx.cs.du.edu) wrote:
: The Branch Davidians were not violent and were not planning to start
: violence.
:
: When the BD compound was assaulted by the ATF the BD did fire back.
: But they agreed to a cease fire and they allowed the ATF to care for
: their wounded. The BD even released the ATF agents they captured. It
: is clear from the release of the agents and allowing the ATF medical
: attention that the BD were not looking for trouble.
This is the first I've heard of the BD capturing and releasing ATF agents.
Is there any more info about this?
Rob P.
| 16talk.politics.guns |
In article <1993Apr15.193603.14228@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> rscharfy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ryan C Scharfy) writes:
>In article <stevethC5JGCr.1Ht@netcom.com> steveth@netcom.com (Steve Thomas) wri
>tes:
>
>>
>>Just _TRY_ to justify the War On Drugs, I _DARE_ you!
>>
>
>A friend of mine who smoke pot every day and last Tuesday took 5 hits of acid
>is still having trouble "aiming" for the bowl when he takes a dump. Don't as
>me how, I just have seen the results.
>
>Boy, I really wish we we cut the drug war and have more people screwed up in
>the head.
>
I'll answer you're sarcasm with more sarcasm:
Boy, it looks like the WOD is WORKING REALLY GOOD to stop people from
being screwed up in the head, given that example!
(Issue: your friend _got_ his drugs--legal or not legal, he'll continue to
get them. Issue #2: why should _I_, as somebody who does NOT use illegal
drugs and who IS NOT "screwed up" have to PAY for this idiot's problems? He's
not doing anybody any harm except himself. The WOD, on the other hand, is an
immediate THREAT to MY life and livelyhood. Tell me why I should sacrafice
THIS to THAT!).
--
_______
Steve Thomas
steveth@rossinc.com
| 18talk.politics.misc |
Does anybody know anything about the chips D6275A/D6235A/D6205A chips from
DSP Telecommunications Inc?
I'd greatly appreciate information about price, pinouts and peripherals.
Regards,
Henrik Bohre
@>-+--
| 12sci.electronics |
In article <1993Apr21.174553.812@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>responds well, if you're not otherwise immunocompromised. Noring's
>anal-retentive idee fixe on having a fungal infection in his sinuses
>is not even in the same category here, nor are these walking neurasthenics
>who are convinced they have "candida" from reading a quack book.
Speaking of which, has anyone else been impressed with how much the
descriptions of neurasthenia published a century ago sound like CFS?
--
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geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."
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| 13sci.med |
I am looking at the honda shadow 11000 and the intruder 800 or 1400? what have you heard about these bikes?
also, if I plan on doing long-time riding are these twin-V cruisers the best bikes to get, if I dont want something massive like the goldwings?
| 8rec.motorcycles |
In article <MS-C.735160298.1147902781.mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM>, mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (Mark Crispin) writes:
>
> With a hostile dog, or one which you repeatedly encounter, stronger measures
> may be necessary. This is the face off. First -- and there is very important
> -- make sure you NEVER face off a dog on his territory. Face him off on the
> road, not on his driveway. If necessary, have a large stick, rolled up
> newspaper, etc. (something the beast will understand is something that will
> hurt him). Stand your ground, then slowly advance. Your mental attitude is
> that you are VERY ANGRY and are going to dispense TERRIBLE PUNISHMENT. The
> larger the dog, the greater your anger.
This tactic depends for its effectiveness on the dog's conformance to
a "psychological norm" that may not actually apply to a particular dog.
I've tried it with some success before, but it won't work on a Charlie Manson
dog or one that's really, *really* stupid. A large Irish Setter taught me
this in *my* yard (apparently HIS territory) one day. I'm sure he was playing
a game with me. The game was probably "Kill the VERY ANGRY Neighbor" Before
He Can Dispense the TERRIBLE PUNISHMENT.
Chuck Rogers
car377@torreys.att.com
| 8rec.motorcycles |
I think it was Lewis who said that in a wedding, it's the principals
that marry each other; the church and the state are present merely as
witnesses.
------------------------------------------------------------
Rob Steele In coming to understand anything
MIT Lincoln Laboratory we are rejecting the facts as they
244 Wood St., M-203 are for us in favour of the facts
Lexington, MA 02173 as they are.
617/981-2575 C.S. Lewis
[This is not just Lewis -- it's a summary of standard Catholic
theology. However this doesn't mean that the presence of those
witnesses is optional, except in odd situations like the standard
desert island. --clh]
| 15soc.religion.christian |
In article <1993Apr24.125621.7311@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> bqueiser@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Brian J Queiser) writes:
>There are two crank configurations for
>the flat 4; the most common one is probably the crank that is very
>similar to the I4 crank.
which flat 4 engines have I4 style cranks?
> Comparing those two engines, the I4 and the
>flat 4 have no first order shaking forces or rocking moments. The
>I4 has a second order shaking force, while the flat 4 has a second
>order rocking moment. The significant thing about the flat 4's
>second order moment is that it can be easily balanced out by adding
>mass at the ends of the crank. The I4, however, requires a counter
>rotating shaft with mass to balance out the second order forces.
i am 99.99% sure that subaru (and porsche) use the boxer configuration
and not the inline 4 crank that you analyzed and compared. would you
care to re-evaluate the other case of a flat four? i think that this
configuration is perfectly balanced as far as primary, secondary
forces and couples are concerned. i have an article in front of me
that says so.
>Bottom line: the biggest difference between the engines would probably
>be their intended use. The flat 4 is easier to fit under low hoods
>and in rear compartments (for mid or rear mounting). The I4 can be
>mounted transversely to reduce hood length (read: cab forward).
>Other than that, there isn't much fanfare to the differences between
>them, no matter what Subaru ads say. (Technology shared with
>Porsche. Indeed.)
the flat four is also shorter than an inline 4, so even if it is mounted
longitudinally it will not take up lots of length.. and a longitudinal
placement is easier for a 4 wheel drive drivetrain.
i think that subaru's ads hold water. in practice, their flat fours
are noticeably smoother than inline 4s and completely buzz free,
though some may not like its peculiar note. but as alfa has shown, a
boxer four can produce a spine tingling scream that only the likes of
recent hondas can approach.
eliot
| 7rec.autos |
We have a LAN where we are doing development on product for multiple platforms.
For the moment we are only working on MAC and DOS/Windows. The department has
always used sneaker net to transport files to the MAC, since it requires a
filter to strip out the <LF> characters.
Until recently no one concidered using any version control to mediate, and as
a result, the 5 programmers spent a great deal of time merging files together
at the end of each week so that a new system could be build. We are now trying
to streamline this process, but are hampered by the lack of software that will
allow us to share files across PC and MAC platforms.
I understand that PVCS used to do this, but that they no longer support the MAC
product (anyone know why ?? Polytron ?).
I have seen people ask about development in multiple platforms, so I assume that
ours is not a new problem. Who has had to deal with it ? What solutions have
you come up with?
thanks in advance for any and all suggestions via posting or EMAIL. If there are
enough EMAIL responses then I will post a synopsis of the knowledge.
-Charles Emmons
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| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
I'm looking to buy a 100% working keyboard for a 286 system (preferably
a 101 layout.) I'm looking to spend about $20.
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David
| 6misc.forsale |
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