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No, not really, they were pretty much thugs, they weren't scared very much, you know Well, that's good, well, they're Brooklyn boys, I guess. Yeah You don't expect them to be, uh, much of anything but thugs. Really. Yeah, I, I was, I was also born in Brooklyn, so I can call myself a Brooklyn thug, although I'm really not. Okay, okay. Well, I'm not to say that all folks from Brooklyn are thugs, but these two were definitely thugs, and they were from Brooklyn So I'm kind of hoping, I, I, I guess, uh, any more
I pretty much pull for the Rangers though. They're, uh, they're, they're they, they have, I think they have the best facilities in the major leagues. Yeah. I love going to watch a game in Arlington stadium. It's great. Well, that, that's actually, I think I make something, because I think, and, and, and in as much as sort of fan support helps. Yeah. You know, it's good to have, um, The only problem is it's not large enough. It only holds about, I think they, when Ryan struck out his five thousandth player, they squeezed about forty thousand people in there. Yes, it is kind of small. Yeah, so they're, they, they have plans, I mean, the owner tried to move them to Florida Right. but, uh, they ended up sticking around in Arlington,
and they're going to build a new stadium in Arlington, as a matter of fact, not even in Dallas, Oh, that's great. So, So that's, that's something that we're looking forward to. Yeah, that'll be nice, I mean, that, that, I think, tends to keep, I think stadiums work tend to keep people happy. Oh, case in point, Toronto. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, have you seen a game up there? Uh, I haven't been to any Toronto games yet. But, um, Oh, boy, I saw it, I was up there on business, uh, last June and watched a game in the sky dome. It was just phenomenal. That's, that's probably the pattern for the future of stadiums, I think. Of stadiums, yeah, well, I, I mean to get up there.
I mean, the, the best I've been up here so far, you know, up, in up state New York is, uh, is, um, Rochester Red Wings game. Uh-huh. Now is Rochester, where, where is Cornell University. Oh, Cornell is in Ithaca. Ithaca. Uh, yeah, so Cornell is about, um, somewhere, uh, about two and a half hours south of, south and east of us. Okay. So if you know where Lake Ontario is sort of. Yeah, well Rochester is like right on the shores, isn't it? Yeah, we're about ten miles south of Lake Ontario. Yeah, okay. Actually whoever built the city was an idiot, in my opinion, because they built it, they built it far enough from the city that it actually couldn't be a port city. Oh, Um, but they, Well, they say that from that space needle up in Toronto you can see the lights of Rochester on a clear night.
Oh, really, I I hadn't actually known that. Yeah. Well, um, but we have our own, um, our own triple A team here Yeah. the Redwings, which are they're a farm team for the Orioles. Yeah, okay. Yeah. So everybody hopes that, uh, they go all the way around here. There's the, they're the big team in Rochester. Those games are fun to watch. You, you, you watch those games? Oh, yeah, I actually, we, we, we make a point of going to a bunch of them every year because they're fun. Yeah. Lots of really big, you know, lots of local fans, you know, small stadium, you know, um, and they'll get a crowd of less than ten thousand sometimes, you know
Uh-huh, uh-huh. um, especially, you know, I'll make a day game or something. Yeah. But they really seem to, uh, people really get into it. I mean, I can't, I, I, again, I can't make any predictions about them, Yeah, we used to like watching, my, my folks lived down in Beaumont, and, uh, on the campus of Lamar University they used to house the Beaumont Golden Gators who were a double A team for the Padres, I think, but, uh, they, they were fun games to watch. Those are, those are, uh, I think those are more fun than major league games sometimes. well, there's definitely a lot more hitting Yes, it's true. One of the advantages of not having pitchers who are Yeah. uh, uh, you know, I guess, I guess when you start pitching real well, well, move them up. Bam .
Yeah. Yeah, but um. So as far as the major league teams, I don't know, the Rangers have been, you know, every year they always knock on the door early, and then just go into their skid about, you know, the end of June. But they, they've got so much young, raw talent, it's just amazing, and then they just haven't been able to put anything together. Well, the way I, the way I see it, is, I mean, um, you know, I can use a Met analogy here. Uh-huh. If you'll think back a few years to when the Mets were just all this sort of young bunch of guys who really were raw talent but weren't very sort of, well trained Yeah. you know, back to, you know, maybe eighty, eighty-four or eighty-three or eighty-five, you know, when they were first, when they weren't quite the eighty-six team that, that, that they were. Uh-huh. Right. I, I, that probably gives the readers a good shot for you this year or next year, I think, if, I think, the young talent really just has to build itself up. Yeah, I mean, they've been, they've been young for a while,
and they're almost starting to age a little bit here, I just, um. Yeah, yeah, they, they really hurting pitching wise. I mean, they've got Ryan, but, you know, who knows what he'll be able to do. He's been, last year he started having some nagging injuries, and but, it'll, it'll be interesting to watch. Right, but. I hope to get up there. We, we usually try to get to opening day game. There's several guys from our church try to go up there. Oh, that must be nice. Yeah, well, I, I guess we're probably, oh, maybe a hundred fifty miles south of Dallas. No, not too bad,
but it takes about two hours, two and a half hours to get there. Yeah, well it takes me a good seven hours to get to Shay Stadium. So, I don't know. That's probably because of the roads. You just don't have, we, we've just got a freeway. We just get right on the freeway and just go north. Yeah, well, actually, we can, we can, I can take a highway the whole way down, but it's still, it's some it's, it's almost four hundred Well, it's so crowded up there. I mean, I mean, it's almost four hundred, you know, barring traffic, it's four hundred hours, I mean, four hundred four hundred hours, right, four hundred miles barring traffic, Golly. so, it's, um, it's, it's, you know, it's a heck of a drive.
We are substantially north of New York enough that, uh we don't get to go play too often. Yeah. you're, you're like a boat ride from, how far is it across the lake to Canada? Toronto. Toronto? Oh Toronto's only about two hours, yeah. Yeah. Toronto, I mean, I want to go see. Do, do you drive there, or do you take the ferry, or what? Um, I can, I've actually I've driven, but I've heard about the ferry as well. Yeah. Haven't taken it yet, though. Have you taken it? Yeah, it's a, it's a beautiful city.
Yeah, um, I, I really love, I think that's one of the most, uh, enjoyable things about being up here. I'm only up here for school. Uh-huh. So, and then, I mean, you go back to New York after school? Uh, no, probably south, maybe Texas Oh, really. Some place south, and warm, I don't, I'm not a big, uh, I'm not a big, uh, cold fan. Well, what kind of weather are you having right now? Uh, right now we're actually having, uh, it's getting nice. I mean, it was in the high fifties today, but three and a half weeks ago, we had an ice storm Oh, boy, yeah, we've been up in the, oh, seventies, eighties, even up in the nineties a couple of weeks ago.
Oh, that's great. You know, about that same time branches were falling off everywhere, and we were actually in a state of emergency for two weeks. Golly. Because of the ice? Because it, didn't make the national news too much, which I find really weird Um. but, um, we were, I mean, um, you know, all schools were closed for almost, for over, for a week. Golly. There were certain parts of town where it was illegal to drive. Huh, illegal, Yeah, because they had so many power lines down Oh, yeah. and so many, uh, things like that, so they were ... Okay, we, we can, uh, be recorded while we talk about it. Okay,
well is your, does your city have mandatory, uh, recycling? No, we don't have mandatory. We, actually, we're kind of slow up here, and we've just started doing recycling probably last summer. And it's all voluntary. So that's interesting. Cities have a mandatory recycling? Um, there, there're some places that are strongly encouraging it, and that they city will pick it up. That's been one of the arguments here. I'm just sitting here looking. We've got four bins of glass and plasticine stuff. But we have to carry it, uh, some distance, and some places, um, you can sell your, uh, recyclables, and, for example, our church was collecting newspapers. Yeah, when I was a kid we used to collect newspapers and bring them to a recycle thing. We got like a penny a pound for them. Well, it turns out that so much,
the problem in Texas is that, uh, they've got so much paper now from people recycling that they've got no way to, uh, reprocess it. Oh, my, It requires an it requires essentially a paper mill to recycle it, and so the value has gone down. It turns out it wasn't worth for the church to do. Oh, I didn't realize, you would think, now up here, I, I suppose they send it all back to the mill and there are paper mills within a couple of hundred miles of, uh. Actually there is one in northern Vermont. So there's probably a paper mill that's sixty miles from here. I didn't think that, you know, in the large city that if the next recycling, if the next mill is more like five hundred miles away it's a lot of money to transport. Well, Yeah, well see, that's, in, in Dallas there no plan to build, I think there, there's some in East Texas there's some pulp mills, but, uh, you have to go to Houston, and, it's interesting,
and then there's places that will buy metal and they still buy aluminum can and likes that. *can cans ? likes like? Do you have to buy metal, like copper is a very good one to collect. Even aluminum, yeah, so. Well, do you do, do you do recycling? Uh, we do the recycling, and our city will pick up our recyclables. Oh. They have these little blue bins. Um, I don't recycle personally. I, I'm saying I want to do it, but, I don't get a lot of magazines, I don't get a, I don't buy the newspaper, but I do have a lot of, uh, my trash has a lot of tin cans and a lot of a lot of different papers and cardboards. Well, do you drink soda and such in aluminum cans?
Yes, but we have a bottle return. A lot of the northern states and a lot of the Eastern states have bottles. We've had five cent deposits on our bottles for years. Oh, so it's worth taking them back. Well, see, we don't have. We have, we have most of our soft drinks are in plastic liter or two liter bottles. Oh, they should definitely get, um, the nickel returnable. It's great for the kids, because see, a lot of the kids get the money from it, and it's great for the boy scouts running around, they knock door to door and the collect the bottles sometimes. Oh, that's it, you'll, you'll, there is a down side to all this, you know, about no good deed going unpunished, that, uh, my mother sells, um, trees that they make paper out of, and so every time I recycle newspapers, in fact there's a, there's a, uh, Kimberly and Clark, the makers of kleenex and such has a, uh, a big paper mill. Yeah. In fact I almost went to work for them. I was offered a job and turned it down because my mother got it for me. It's twenty or thirty miles from my house.
Every time you recycle, that's one less tree my mother can sell, and, uh. So, it's a question should I be diligent and, um, and, and recycle, and put my mother out of her livelihood. And recycle. Oh, yes, I see that. But, it's an interesting point, though, that, you know, everybody's so anxious to recycle, and I suppose it does provide some gainful employment, but, But it takes away employment from the resource and its . Well, but in general I think it's a good idea because like the glass, you can't argue that the glass, I do, too. it doesn't biodegrade, and, and, uh, the plastics obviously, They don't either So we might as well recycle those. Yeah, like I say, it's not a very controversial thing. Everyone thinks we should do it. It's just that we're so lazy, I mean, like personally, I don't want to clean my,
I just have can cat food. I don't want to clean the can and take the label off it, and put it in a separate bin. Yeah. You know, I'd just rather get rid of that thing and throw it in the trash. Well, that's what we've got. We started about, New Year's we decided we'd get ambitious. Well, we took one load over there, and now we've got these containers filling up with stuff, and, you know, it's not a very high priority thing to go haul these containers over there. Yeah, I think I would be like, when I bring my bottles back. If they're pretty clean and stuff, so they can sit in my cellar for a couple of months, and I get a whole bunch of them and bring them and bring them over. Now, if I had a recycling center and I kept it clean, like if I washed all the cans and things, I wouldn't mind if it sat around too much, but if, if it stunk or something I wouldn't like doing it. But, um, I produce quite a bit of trash, my, you know, house, and I see it, but I don't see so much that I can recycle. Yeah.
Like I say, it's a lot of different type paper and cardboard. I'm not a real plastic person user, but a lot of paper, um, pretty much, and I don't know how they sort that. But if, if I used a lot of can goods and I do use a lot of laundry detergent and a lot of plastic bottles, I would think that I I would have a recycling center. But now, it's just me and my husband, so, I don't know. But every little bit helps, right. Yeah, I know what you're saying. But we have, we have a very aggressive recycling at work, and I'm the one who will pick the newspaper out of the trash and bring it to the recycle bin. See, some people, it's, the recycle bin is on their way out. Instead of carrying your newspapers, when they get done with them at the end of the day, they throw them in the trash. Well, do you have separate trash cans at your desk. Um, no, we don't, but other, other offices do. They have a box for papers. Well, we have, we have one that's recyclable and, and then for uh, lunch sacks and waste food
and they gave us a list of things that aren't and it turns out it's not so bad. I, I get a lot of reports that, that are covered in plastic or like saran wrap or something, anyway, and then, uh, cardboard, there's a few, it's interesting that we're, we're recycling computer type paper. Yeah. And, and, uh, one day they'll pick up, uh, the cleaning people come through and they'll pick up recycled paper, and then the next day they'll pick up the other, so. Oh. Depending on how much, you know, and there's a lot of, actually, it works pretty well, and then we have a, uh, waste, uh, cans for aluminum in the, in the break areas at work. Well, that's, that's a really good idea, because, um, like our, uh, fruit juices for some reason when they're in a can don't come with a deposit. Yeah. And they're thinking about putting a deposit on them, because pretty much you have to, you're having a whole separate recyclable bin just for these fruit cans, where they're so much easier just to put a deposit on it, because most, probably ninety percent of the aluminum cans do have deposits, because they're beer and soda, Yeah, but when they sell juice, it's some strange quirk in the law, you don't have to have a deposit on it. And even like, the, a very fine juice jar does not have to have a deposit on it,
but if it's got soda in it, it does. So, it's a strange. That's an interesting distinction. Yeah, they should, they should clean, clear that up. It wouldn't take them much to put a stamp on the, uh, juice cans as easily as the soda. Yeah. So, but redemption centers are a big thing up here, they get a penny a can they handle. They give you five cents when they return the can to the distributor. I think they either get a penny or two pennies a can. Well, see, well, see, those of us that don't have state income taxes, yet that's the big debate here in Texas, that the legislature wants to put one in, Yeah. and, it's interesting what people get upset about, uh, it really is. Is is bottle return down there a heated debate? Well, no, Oh, yeah. Well, we,
well, here you can't drink, We're not civilized now, you can no longer, you cannot drink beer and drive, but but it was, it was actually legal. Well. Yes, well, I know, I was in Atlanta, and you could walk out the bar with your drink in your hand. But here, Let me put that in a paper cup for you. So that was strange. But, I think, if some people they have, they say, well, we're not going to start a can deposit because you have to get all these, um, the, the recycle center, you have to deal with the can and then you have to, to recycle it, and, their problem's already solved because they can just come to states that do have bottle deposits see how they handle it, Yeah. and see if it's a good way, and then do it that way. Because, as, like I say, people are making money on it. Well, you know, the other, Well the other thing is, it also is, is a, is a, a good habit, uh, to, uh, just to conserve resources, you know, where they, you know, because you get in the habit of that, you think in terms of, of, uh, of, of things like saving The cans do, are worth something. Well, do you exercise regularly, Judy? Um, I try to ride the stationary bicycle every day about five miles
Uh-huh and I love to walk, so if I have a lunch hour with nice weather I get out and, and walk. What about you? Well, um, I, uh, exercise regularly. I work at a university, and I swim almost every day upwards of a mile, Uh, very good. but Washington is one of my favorite places to visit. Uh, my daughter lives in Arlington, and when I go to visit her, I love to get out on that bike trail, and either ride the bike, oh, gosh, you can ride a bike practically all the way to Southern Virginia or just get out and walk, uh, or even jog a little, although I don't do that regularly. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. But Washington's a great place to do that. Yeah, there are, there are lots of bike paths. I know, my son is a biker and he, he's done the whole canal, I think it's a hundred and eighty miles, with the scouts. Uh-huh.
And so, but that somehow takes, organization. For me, it's much easier just the stationary bike, you know, it's at home, I can, I can do some of my reading, Right. Um, but, Do you live in the District? No, I live in Maryland. Because I think there're so many parts of the District where it's not very safe to get out and walk. Right, right, and that's it, um, at work we have a, a nice campus, Uh-huh. I mean, we're within walking distance of, of stores and shops so I do. Now, I think, um, basically, is your motive simply, um, health or because you enjoy it? Well, it's, uh, it's really both. I'm certainly driven by the desire to maintain my weight and be healthy and be in shape,
and, uh, and most of the time I enjoy it. Sometimes I don't, but I feel that, uh, that the discipline it affords me when I do it when I don't want to is also worth something. Uh-huh, right. I think pretty much you summed up my, my, my motivations also. And I often find that even when I don't feel that much like exercising, like I'll be really tired, and I'll start swimming, and I'll, and I'll actually get energy. And I'll be, have much more energy when I'm done than when I started, I mean, I just feel great. That happens to me probably one in four or five times that I swim. Oh, well, that's great, that's great. And that's really a terrific feeling, because you just go there at the end of the day, and you figure, God, I'm ready for bed and you exercise and then, it's sort of painful for a while, Uh-huh. but by the time you get done you feeling really terrific. Right. And actually in, in summer I like to swim.
We don't have facilities for swimming in winter, but, um, and, and that's true, when I go home from work at the end of the day, if I go up for an hour in the pool, I'm much, much more awake, I'm ready to work in the garden or whatever in the evening. Yeah, yeah. So. So, can I just ask you, are you Canadian? No, I'm not. Philadelphia? No. I'm trying to because you have a, you have one funny vowel that's probably going to drive the T I people crazy. Oh, really. Say out, instead of out you say out. Did you know that? No, I don't know that. But, I, I must say, that, um, when, when I did do a linguistics course in, in school, ages ago, um, the professor had a lot of trouble with my accent. Huh. And it's probably because I, I, I was born in the Chicago area and grew up in California,
and at that point that was sort of the limit but since then I've been abroad a lot, Huh. I see. I know this isn't on our topic, but where did you grow up in California? In Santa Barbara. Oh, okay, because I grew up in North Hollywood, California went to U C L A and all that. Oh, I see. Uh-huh. Well, very good, I think we've probably know, know each other's exercise habits Yes. and, uh, it was nice talking to you. Well, same here. Thanks for calling. Oh, okay. Bye. Bye-bye. So, um, well, I'll tell you, my situation is, uh, I have an elderly grandmother that we did just recently put in a nursing home.
And, um, her son, which is my father is also elderly, and this is one of the reasons why she had to go to the nursing home, is that she was literally driving him nuts in his later years. Now my father's almost eighty. My grandmother's almost ninety-seven. Jeez. So, um, it's strange, because it, it so, hit so close to home that um, my father's an only child, and really me and my sister are the only ones that will deal with my grandmother. She had many sisters, and a couple of them took care of her. And then one, her last sister died, and it was probably seven or eight months after that she had to go in a nursing home. Because I was pretty much giving up my life, my sister was, and plus she was driving my father crazy. She went through three housekeepers, live-in housekeepers. So, she's kind of cranky to get along with. There's nothing physically wrong with her, except she's very, very old, but her personality is, is very grating. I mean, I hope I don't get like that when I get old. So. Yeah. I'm, I'm, I have some great concerns about, uh, my parents and my relatives reaching that age. Um, around here, where I live in Maryland in the Washington area, there's, there's,
and, uh, I used to live down in Dallas, there was just so many stories about, uh, rest homes where the people are being abused, where the people are being kept in filthy conditions. In fact, here in Baltimore they've actually shut a couple of them down and taken all the people out of them because they were so, uh, bug infested and rat infested. And, uh, I, it really concerns me, that, um, first of all, that anyone could let someone live like that, but if you have to, you know, how do you make sure, I mean, I'm sure when you make your appointment and go by, everybody puts on a happy face, um, you know, how are you sure that the home is really as good as it is, because once you put someone into there, you know, they may not like the fact that they've been put in there, and they might complain about the place all the time even though it's the best place in the whole world they could be, just because they want to make you feel guilty for putting them in there, and, you know. Yeah, you don't know if their complaints are legitimate. Yeah. Um, we don't have that problem up here. We might maybe in a rural, uh, maybe there's a bad, uh, a bad home in a rural area, but it would be a very small one. Um, the one my grandmother's in is very, um, hospital like. There were some really nice ones here. All the, a lot of the nursing homes around here have very good reputations.
Um, this one is more or less for someone who's poor and can't go there, and my father's, is, he's no by no means wealthy, but he's quite well off. Uh-huh. And he could easily have put her into a nicer, um, home, but up here there's waiting lists. And that was the first one that opened. And I suggested to him, Why don't you change. Um, he said, Well, these people here are, they are very nice to her. And he was saying his excuses, if you move her some place else, the people might not be so nice. So, the, the professionals in the nursing homes really have to want to do what their doing, because it's a really trying job. I mean, I go up twice a week to see my grandmother, and I know the staff very well. So they couldn't, they can't hide anything on you or anything like that. Uh-huh. But I have heard of really awful conditions, especially down the southern part of the the country which is. Yes, uh, that's true. My, uh, my grandmother's, um, last time my mother went down there to visit the, the place where my grandmother was staying at was so overrun with roaches that, uh, she even you know, they went in and she had roaches crawling on her.
There were roaches even in her alarm clock. Um, Oh, that's terrible. Yes, it was absolutely horrible. They took her immediately out of there, and they just threw everything away that, that she had from there. I mean, they wouldn't even take the, uh, the, uh, the dresser that she had that was her own dresser, because it was just, you know, full of bugs. They just left everything. And, uh, bought her all brand new stuff, and they, they had called a home where they, you know, where they were on a waiting list to get into there and explained to the person that was in charge, you know, what had happened, and that they had they had to take her out of the home because of the conditions. And amazingly enough, the very next day they had an opening, and they put her into that opening. Well, that's good. So is your grandmother, um, impaired? Is she of Alzheimer's or something like that? I'm not sure, um, what exactly is wrong with her. Up until nineteen eighty-two, uh, actually, I'm sorry, not until, yeah, I guess it was around eighty-two, eighty-three, I found out I had a grandmother. Oh.
Prior to that I was told that she was dead, and, um, apparently what had happened was that I had a grandfather who, um, put her into a mental institution. Oh, that does happen. Yeah. And, uh, you know, it was a real hush-hush thing Yeah. and then, I was wondering why my mother always referred to, you know, his second wife as that hussy. You know, my neighbors across the street, their mother was sick at times, and they, they couldn't handle her. So they put her in a home, and then, uh, the old Frenchman, he'd get a little drunk look round at his kids, Oh, you still need your mother. And that happens a lot when people are sick or they just real manic-depressants, they end up being put in homes, and it's like, oh, well. Yeah. But that's, it's, it's, I'm really glad that I come from an area where, um, that there's good people in the homes. But it's just as, it doesn't matter if it is, like you say, the best place, they still don't want to go to these homes. And my grandmother's real, there,
I mean, she cries every day. This has been over a year, and she tries to make me feel really guilty. But I have to, you know, I have to put my foot down, where, where my life begins. I mean, if that was my mother, I would really feel a lot more responsible. I would probably take care of my mother. I don't really, um, when my father, when something, if anything happens to him, I don't want him put in a nursing home just for the fact I don't really want to go and visit him at a nursing home. And hopefully that he can, uh, get along with, uh, in-house help. So, he's going to probably, hopefully set it up so that he will be able to pay someone to come in and stay with him probably for sixteen hours a day, because I think that's the best situation, is when you're, you get that old and you've been independent your whole life, you don't want to go into a home, because, like I say, my father's eighty, and he's really active. He still has his driver's license here, I mean, you wouldn't believe what he does. He actually tows cars. And, as the years go on, the tow trucks got better, more easier, and he went out and bought himself a flat bed one so he won't have to do very much work. So someone like that, they, I really don't want to see them go in a home. He's got two dogs that are his constant companions,
and he always replaces them. You know, I've had like, over the past thirty years I've had, you know, about seven or eight different dogs all the time. And it's like, you know, it's oops, Dad's got these two and the old dies and the young one goes for a while, and he gets another one. So I can't see him without his animals. Even though it's very expensive to stay at home mentally it's just the best thing for you. Yes. I know. I mean, when you get on in your years it's the only thing you really have, and I'm thinking when I get older, I, I, I think if brought all my precious belongings with me, I think I could live in a home. I don't want to be a selfish, you know, a burden on anyone. That's what I think, because I see what my grandmother puts me through, and I'm saying that when I get older I could probably make the best of this place, I mean. And of course, it's institutional food, and everybody hates it, and it's so ironic is that they go in there and they lose weight.
Yeah. It's really, it's a bad thing, but when they go into the homes they lose weight, and, because of the institutional food, you know. I think it's fine, but, you know, my taste buds are pretty, uh, flexible, and here they are, they're always used to these old fashioned foods. They're very set in their ways and used to have what they could get at home, and now they're feeding them, um, quiche and all kinds of strange food that we would eat. Yeah. Just, they don't feed them the old people food, the chicken and biscuits, and things like that. That's, that's the thing my grandmother really misses, I mean, really growls about. Yeah, my mother has made similar statements, that she doesn't want to become a burden to the family. You know, Just put me out to pasture, or shoot me, or something, you know. are the lines that come from her. And, uh and I tell her, you know, No problem, Mom, always got a place for you. Oh. Yeah, I know, if, if, if people would think ahead of time and do things like that, like build the in-law apartment and have it on, you know, one floor and really easy access.
Well, that's what I'm telling my father now. He needs a new floor in his bathroom, so you can get in and out ... Okay, what kind of books do you like to read, for enjoyment? Uh, mainly, the, the books I read are, uh, business related, or self improvement. Uh-huh Um, I've got a, a, uh, small company on the side that I, that I do things with, so, uh, a lot of the reading that I, I do has to do with, um, how can I, uh, do better at, at my small-time business uh, important issues such as a, you know taxes and, business expenses and all those kind things. What kind of business is it? Uh-huh. Well, that sounds that sounds fun What kind of business is it? Um, I've got a, uh, small distributorship, uh. Uh-huh. I, uh, sell a, uh, healthy cookie on the side. Really? And, uh, I have a few health food stores that I send it to. I can buy the cookies in a larger quantity than they can, Uh-huh.
so I can get a deal from the, uh, from the from the supplier, Well, that's interesting. and then I distributed them and then I I get, I can sell them at a cheaper price. Plus I've got a, uh, drinking water system business that I've had on the side for years that I've done. A what? A drinking water business, uh, yeah Oh, really? Yeah. Well that sounds interesting My mom always wants me to open a health food store but, I'll, I'm not really into it, I don't know the I don't know that much about it, so anyway but, well that's interesting. I, personally, I like mostly um, if I had a book of my choice, I like books, I go to the library a lot and it seems like I always, I never go to the fiction section, I mean that to me is just ridiculous, it's like, life is to interesting to read fiction
Uh-huh. but I always get books like, um, I like to quilt, well I'm not into quilting but I check a lot of books out to learn how. I just haven't done it yet because it seems to monstrous to do with a book, but I like to, um, can and do food preservation, and mostly canning just for fun to go pick the things and just to have fun doing it and to give them as gifts and stuff, and I like to check books out like that and I always come away with, I'm a Christian and I enjoy reading books about um, I have a real heart for people involved in cults Uh-huh. and, so I have a real, you know, heart for them, and I'm going to bring my Mormon neighbors some Amish bread today and that's just where my heart is so, I read a lot of books on that and, you know Christian books written by people about, you know to help you out and stuff and I read the Bible.
I don't read the Bible as much as I should but but I think I would always think that no matter what I did so, but I do enjoy reading that and, so pretty much we have different interests, I think, in reading, like a but, and I have a neighbor with a big motorbike Sounds like it. and he likes to run down the street with it and you, you can probably hear him. But, um, I don't know so. Do you enjoy reading anything like that? Um. Um, I haven't really read anything like that in, in, in years. There was a time when I was really into the home things, Uh-huh. and I did, uh, had my own garden and I did canning, all those kind of things. That was when I was about, uh, ten years younger and uh, I had, Thirty or younger, Is that what you said? About ten years younger, yeah.
Oh, ten years younger, oh, that's funny. And, uh, uh, the problem that I've had in the past with, uh, my children growing up and moving out of the house and, and still having three left at home, out of the five, Uh-huh. um, I've tried to devote more time to them and trying to get them interested in, in reading more and, and spending more time at the library and it, I've been moderately successful, uh, with my daughter and with my son, they both have different interests in books Uh-huh. but, um, they, they, uh, they do read them. Um, I have some books on, on health that I read all the time. One's on vitamins that are good for you and that kind of thing, Oh, really? Yeah, Yeah, Maureen Solomon . I had a, a friend of mine has a book by her right now called FOODS THAT HEAL. They eat a lot of it, you know, you can take your vitamins and she was telling me to take zinc, so, anyway I've been taking enough zinc, you know to kill a horse probably I hope it doesn't hurt me
but, anyway, I did read one chapter of that There's a, uh, a couple called, um, oh, Uh-huh. um, and, uh, there's a book called LIFE EXTENSIONS, I don't know if you've ever heard of it, No, I haven't. Okay. It's a book called LIFE EXTENSIONS. There's also a book called THE LIFE EXTENSION COMPANION, Uh-huh. Uh, Dirk Pearson and, oh, I forgot Sally's last name, anyway it's a couple. I've, I've seen them on T V, and, uh, they they are pretty down to earth about uh, what you can take and, and what you can't take The quantities and, and, What's the name of it again? Um, LIFE EXTENSIONS.
LIFE EXTENSIONS? Uh, yeah, he's probably about forty years old now, Uh-huh. I saw him probably seven years ago, on Johnny Carson show Uh-huh. Oh, really? and, uh, I was pretty impressed. He had a, he, before he started out on his experiments he had a battery of tests done on his body to determine the age of each one of his organs you know based on how well it was performing, Uh-huh. Uh-huh. and then he embarked on this, uh, vitamin treatment and then every year he had the same tests run, Uh-huh. and at the age of thirty-two, I think it was, his, um, heart was that of a fourteen year old Really? and all the rest of his organs were all greatly, you know, all tested out greatly below his actual age. And, of course, Sally, uh, isn't a very big woman,
Uh-huh. I mean, she's, you know, she appeared to me to be very petite and um, she took a horse shoe and, and turned it, turned it into an S, Oh, really? and, uh, it was all from taking the right vitamins and things that, that give you the strength, and, of course, doing Isometric exercises, uh, together they both exercised about five minutes a day, doing Isometrics rather than, you know physical strenuous exercises. Really? I know there's not any food that you can get, and it's grown on good soil hardly anymore, and I know my, my husband's uncle owns some acreage in, a, Eastland, Texas, which is in West Texas, owns Uh-huh. and he owns a lot of acreage that's been farmed properly, you know Yes. and, uh, we get black-eyed peas off of it and stuff but, I know that, you know, the further we go from Adam the worse the food is for you, but God still somehow makes us all be able to still live. I think it's a miracle we're all still alive after so many generations, well the last couple of processed foods, you know, I mean, but, I don't know.
I like to, I like to, my, I like to be able to eat really healthy, Uh-huh. you know, I think Jesus is the only one that can make this earth be restored to what it should be, but, uh, in the meantime we pray over our food because I'm always looking down my plate and I think man this stuff was probably grown in who knows what, you know, kind of environment but I do take some vitamins on the side and, I do like reading books like that I just, I have a hard time, a lot of the books are real new age oriented like Mother Earth and we're going to restore the earth. I just don't see that. I think, I mean, I think to think that is almost, it's hopeless to think that man can do anything with the, you know what I'm saying? Yes. It's and I think God's in charge and God's going to restore it when he wants to so sometimes I get bogged down in the, you know, in the ideology that motivates a lot of health food and motivates a lot of vitamin taking, but, you know there's a balance in it sometimes I read stuff like that
and then I just chunk off like water off your back, some of it, and, you know, and try and do what's, what I can do out of it that's practical, Yeah, there's, I've, I've read a lot of things, um, since I got involved in the water business back in eighty-three, Uh-huh um, and it's amazing that the, the legislation they have, um, for food that doesn't apply to water, they don't consider water a food Uh-huh. and, uh, the basics premise is that if water was a food it would be, you know, they wouldn't be able to sell it to you through your pipes because it's toxic Um, chlorine, Because it's what? It's toxic. It's a, Oh. I don't know if your on city water, city water has chlorine in it, chlorine, causes cancer, Uh-huh. Uh-huh. they know that,
they've proven that. Um, yet their saying well we're putting such low doses in there, that, well, you don't have to worry about dying from it. Uh-huh The problem is that I've, that I've read books that, uh, have proven that there is a link between the ingestation of chlorine and arteriosclerosis, which is heart attack, Uh-huh Um. and if you look at the history of hear attacks, heart attacks were nonexistent prior to nineteen twenty, *typo hear heart Really? and we started doing, um, large quantities of chlorination of water starting around, uh, where we experimented with it in nineteen oh three and nineteen thirteen most of the major cities had chlorinated water. Really? You know I bet that's why we have some friends that eat only, I just took this Amish bread out of the oven, man, it's going to be good. I had a starter that friend of mine made, anyway, uh, I had a friend that read a book on that and, um, I've, all my relatives my you know, you probably read BACK TO EDEN or something, I don't know, we read a lot,
I know people have read all those books but, the, um, they they drilled a well, I don't know how many feet but it's three or four times deeper than it needed to be, Uh-huh. and so their water comes out, they live in Grand Prairie, but it's, they live kind of in a, the planes go right over from D F W, so it's not real developed, and so they have a, probably half an acre, Yeah, I'm very familiar with the area. and, yeah, and they drilled this well and the water comes out at thirty-two degrees, so it's kinds of neat. Would that be healthier do, to do that, to drill your own fresh water well like that? It depends, a lot of, uh, a lot of things were thought that, uh, as, you know, the farmers thought, okay, we got chemicals, we're putting chemicals on the field,
well the ground will naturally filter out the of ... Uh, what kind of house do you live in? Uh, we live in a one story, just like a style home, you know, the standard Texas, uh, Fox and Jacobs. Oh, yeah. With, with a yard and fence. How about you guys? Are you in a apartment or a home? I'm in an apartment in, uh, Plano. Well, they say those are easy to or difficult to find. Yeah, they are, if, uh, kind of depends on what you're looking for. Mine's just a one bedroom place, that's, uh, How are rents doing? I haven't looked at rents in a long time. Uh, it's hard for me to tell, because I haven't rented in, uh, probably twenty, twenty-five years Uh-huh. and, uh, just, I'm getting back into apartment life,
and it's, What's a, what's a one bedroom, are you in a, um Yeah, well, Plano, most, most complexes in Plano are pretty nice, so you're probably in a, you know, Well, they vary, from place to place, it's hard to tell, you know, how well they've been kept up how old they are, Uh-huh. and these are probably, oh, one of the nicest that I found, and, uh, they're almost five hundred a month for a one bedroom place. Ooh that does get high, yeah, I mean, Yeah, it does, considering that, you know, uh, house payments are, not a whole lot more than that, Yeah, I was going to say, our mortgage is, is between, depending on, you know, it drops, um,
seems like in the last six months we, um, got lucky and we refinanced, and it, but it was like eight hundred and something, but it went down to like seven hundred and twenty Yeah. so that's really not, I have friends that pay about nine hundred dollars for a town house in, Wow, that's a lot for a townhouse. yeah, in, actually they're near Plano in North Dallas too, but I couldn't believe it, but, you know, But that's what happens when you get up in this area, you know, you got all these companies are up here, and these Yeah. and, I guess they know they're going to get it, And then I think that, um, nobody was really buying houses there for a long time there because of just, I mean, we've been in ours for about ten years,
but, uh there's no investment in it, you know all it allows you to do is itemize, on your on your taxes yeah, Yeah. Yeah, that's true, you just take off your mortgage interest and that's about it, that's really about it, it's, uh, have you ever owned your own home, Yeah, I've owned, uh, several, built several, So you know what it's like, yeah, it's like, when you first, this is our third one, it's not, um, and it's not that exciting after a while Well and especially around North Dallas, or at least in Plano area, they, they basically all look alike because Fox and Jacobs, Yeah,
suburban tract, yeah, we, uh, we lived out of state for a while and came back and, uh, we lived in a smaller city, and now we say, Gee, Dallas really is big and polluted Isn't it. I can remember, I've only been here eight years, but I can remember coming to work from, I used to live in Wylie Uh-huh. and I could see downtown Dallas, and now there's this brown haze over it, and it's moving north. Yeah, it's really it's really sad because they're not doing anything, well we're getting off the subject, I guess, but just like with housing, I mean, they're not doing anything about pollution, they're not doing anything about, it's going to look like,
have you ever been to Houston? Oh, yeah. You know, um, I used to think that Dallas was better than Houston because their zoning for where you can put a house next to a, Yeah, now it looks just like Houston to me. Yeah, it does. How long have you been in this house? We've been in here ten years. Ten years. Yeah, so we've got, you know, got some investment in it, but, you really don't get anything out of it. No, you really don't. Were, you said you were out of state for a while, was that a smaller town than Dallas area. Yeah, smaller, we were up in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. How was it
My home town. how were the house prices up there? The prices, actually, a lot better, because Pittsburgh is about the size, I've been trying to think, like a Louisville, or Minneapolis, that type of size. Yeah. And the prices, what you get here for about a hundred thousand you could get there for about seventy-five, eighty. Wow. Yeah, it's really, and we didn't think it was that clean, but then after you're gone for a while, it looks cleaner, you know Oh, yeah uh, well, you know, a lot of these people that I've talked to that are coming down from, uh, like what I call, the back East especially from J C Penney, uh, are selling two and three hundred thousand dollar houses up there and buying a hundred and fifty, hundred and seventy-five thousand dollar houses down here, Yeah, and they've wound up getting better houses here than they had there so in a way, I guess it works both ways. I guess it's, yeah, but, and here I guess it depends on what you want, you know, here, I got a lot of people that work for J C Penney in marketing
Yeah. and a lot of the people that came from that area, probably like what you're talking about, they had no, um, they had a lot of property but not a lot of house, and now they have a lot of house and hardly any yardage around it That's a fact, but, but they love it. I mean, they, they, they think they're getting, you know, you say, sun room to them, and you enclose and you can sell it I guess that's true. Yeah. And they don't have to worry about yard upkeep if they don't hardly have any. Yeah, and a lot of them I know, a couple women that work there, and they don't miss, in Public Relations, and they don't miss having a basement to run up and down to, you know, That's true, there's not too many basements in Texas. And I said, You haven't heard about tornados How about those, you know, Yeah, gosh I remember when I was little, uh, we didn't have a,
I lived, grew up in southern Oklahoma Uh-huh. and, uh, people across the street had a cellar, and we never did, and it's just like Dallas area, it was tornado alley up there, and every spring mom would drag me up at three o'clock, four o'clock in the morning and pajamas and teddy bear across the street, and we'd go into the cellar, and I to this day, I don't care if I go or not, Yep. you know, if it's going to get me, it's get me. That's exactly, uh, growing, I grew up in western Pennsylvania, near Pittsburgh, and, uh, we used to call the basements actual cellars, so it's funny to hear that word, because I never hear it, you know, it's like the back porch used to be a stoop, you know Yeah. but, uh, um, the housing is just, we like the older houses, and I don't know if we're going to stay here or not, depends,
you know, I mean, You ever thought about building a house? Pardon me? Have you ever thought about building a house? Yeah, actually when we were up north, um, but some family things changed so we ended up come back down here, and all that, because it helped my husband's work, but, um, we really would like to, but we don't know if we're going to do it unless we stay here, you know. Yeah, that's true, especially when, with T I it's like anybody else, you never know how long you're going to be here, be in one place, you know, Yeah, it's real tough, I mean, the economy any more, I mean, I think everybody just lives under an umbrella, the uncertainty with housing and everything, Yeah. you know, it's,
Do you work? Pardon me? Do you work? Yes, I do. Well, how do you handle, do you have kids? No, we don't. So you got, he's working and working to get this big house to take care of, how do you manage both of those? Uh, how do we take care of the house. Well, I don't have a I don't, shouldn't say that, I don't have an ethnic maid Yeah. I don't have, we have some friends that live near North Dallas off of Campbell Road, and they have like a four thousand square foot home,
and she's got a, uh, a live out nanny. Um, but any rate, I don't have any of that, um, I don't know, it's really not too difficult with no children and just two people, you know. You basically can take care of everything yourself, We have a, Yeah, we have a dog, and we're pretty, I mean, we're not fanatically neat, but, um, we keep things up, you know not like where there is three feet of weeds or anything in the yard by the time you need to, um, get around to fertilizing and cutting in the spring. Yeah, Yeah. What about home repairs and stuff, do you have to do all that yourself, or, Um, no, we're pretty much, um, we, we've been around long enough as a couple that we learned a long time ago not to wall paper together and things like that. Oh, you too.
Uh, we pretty much hire, we subcontract mostly everything I mean other than anything that's not a, um, Yeah. I mean, I know how to fix a running toilet Oh, yeah. he does what he needs to, but mostly if it's something major, um, you know, cleaning out the air conditioning ducts or something like that, we just hire out to do that, Sounds like you've already got the makings for being a general contractor, Yeah, no thanks, I, If you don't wall paper it well together, you should probably not build a house together. Have you ever done that, Yeah, I built three houses in my life And how'd that go? the building process was a lot of fun Uh-huh. but puts a lot of strain on things. Getting to agree to things, I'm sure,
and I also think that once you get to be, um, you know, certain, when you get to be thirty something and thirty something gets to be a little bit older you start, um, Yeah. the dollar value on things I, You bet. you know, I think people that own homes a lot in North Dallas are very materialistic. Oh, you bet. I know I'm supposed to talk about homes, but people that, the people that own them are the homes themselves, and you know, um, spending sixteen dollars a yard for custom draperies, for custom drapes just doesn't Oh, yeah. Well, to some of them I guess it doesn't matter, you know, that maybe they've got enough coming in to take care of it, Yeah, that's, I mean, and, and you know, you see a lot of these people that came east from, uh, west, from, uh, from New York with Exxon or J C Penney, and it's just a hoot to watch them. Are they, they, as far as they're concerned, they've come to the promised land, you know, they've got it made, Right,
right, exactly, so, well was it hard to adjust living in an apartment after being in a house. Oh, yeah, because you're uh, confined by space, you know, I had a, I came out of a thirty-one hundred square foot two story house. Oh, my goodness yeah. And I had room for everything, in fact I had more room than knew what to do with. I don't know Uh-huh. just seems like room, stuff always expands to fill available space, uh. Yeah. Well, in a way you can travel light. you can, you know, you you adjust, you figure out, How is, how is apartment dwelling living in terms of general privacy and noise and things like that? It's not as bad as I thought it was
Uh-huh. it's not as bad as I remembered, especially going to college and living in apartments there, you know how noisy that can be. Yes, I do. Uh, there seems to be more a mature crowd in, uh, apartments, at least where I am, uh, even though, you know, there's kids all around and there's, there's traffic and there's people running up and down the sidewalks and stuff like that, but still, uh, Everybody pretty much keeps to their own turf, so to speak. Yeah, pretty much, and, uh, there's never really any, oh I remember in school, there's just, seem like there was a fight or a party or something going on every night Yeah. You don't run into that up here, I think, I think because there's so many, uh, professional people, if you want to call them that that go spend all day at work Uh-huh. and they want to come home and they want some quiet,
Relax and try to go to sleep, really, yeah. You see a lot of activity outside, people riding bikes, playing ball, or jogging or they're doing this and that, and they, they're trying to, to unwind. I think Plano in general is getting a little more, well it's gotten so big it's almost a town in it's own right. Oh, yeah, it's a hundred and what, eighty thousand, something like that. Or something, yeah, the price of home, now we paid, oh, we paid, um about seventy-eight nine for our house like I said, about a decade ago, not even, about nine years ago, and, I'd say they appraised it, it's gone up, you now, maybe like five percent Oh, yeah. so it's an investment, but it's something that, you know, when you're first married or starting out, you think if you really have something,
but you really, it's just real, nowadays, with the way the income tax, I think housing is strictly to itemize. Oh, you bet, and the thing that, that gets me is, uh, you never really catch up, you never really finish doing things, and, uh you're always paying for something. Yeah, exactly, we, Yeah, and even, you know, I mean, like we had, I called them prefabs, just a tract home, you know, I mean, we, we had one of their homes that was nicer in Pennsylvania, but, um, it was an older home, but then, you buy an older home and you're always fixing things up, Oh, you are, constantly, there's always something going wrong, So, you know, So, uh, tell me about changes from say twenty years ago, since you were an adult, twenty years ago. Well, let's see, well, we assume I was an adult twenty years ago, Um,
Well, you're, you're able to, you're able to, uh, vote and go to war and things like that so, Yeah, definitely able to go to war twenty years ago but not vote. Oh, that's right, that's one of the changes Not vote. That was one of the changes that came about in the last twenty years. Um, yeah, twenty years ago is nineteen seventy, uh, nineteen seventy I had been married two years. Uh-huh. Um, we had all the great civil rights legislation of nineteen sixty-eight, Uh-huh. And, uh, around here on the, uh, east coast, uh, we were heavy into affirmative action. Uh-huh. Yes. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh,
uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh, the problem was that my hair was too long. Uh-huh. and, uh, you weren't allowed to have a, uh, mustache or a beard, if you wanted to get ahead with the company, Uh-huh, uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. well if you were a, uh, black female you were destined to be store manager in six to nine months, if you were white male you're talking six years. Huh. And that's basically where I ended up. Uh-huh, uh-huh. And is the company now, uh, well represented, uh, demographically, at the higher echelons? Um, Did it work? I think so,
I, I, I, I stopped working for them in, uh, seventy-eight, seventy-nine. Uh-huh. And, uh, it's, I think they're, they're like all companies, well represented. Uh-huh. And, uh, you know, everything seems to be fine. Uh-huh. I, I've kind of lost touch with the company, we had a falling out, Uh-huh, uh-huh. but, uh, as far as, uh, as their management goes, um, I'm not sure they're any, any better off than they were, were before management wise. Uh-huh. But, uh, other changes, um, just people seem to be more outspoken now individually, rather than collectively. Uh-huh. Um, back in the seventies we had, uh, a lot of, uh, protests against the war, and, uh, bring our troops home and things were, more organized. Uh-huh. And, uh, I've noticed, that now, more and more individual people are speaking out for their own rights rather than massing together. Uh-huh,
uh-huh. Um, Yeah, I'm not sure if that was because, you know, eighties was like the, uh, the me decade. The me decade. Uh-huh. And, uh, everybody was into me, and then we are getting back into us. But, um, it, it, it's I've seen, uh, uh, a great deal of change as far as, um, corporate responsibility and things, um, Uh-huh, uh-huh. and, people's response to that, you know, at first not trusting and now, expecting more. Uh-huh, uh-huh. And what what about the last ten years that you've been aware. Well, that I've been aware of, I've, at least in my own circles I've been aware of an increasing from my generation, I don't know if I can quite call myself a distinct generation from you, but half generation off, I guess.
Um, I've noticed, uh, a certain increase, um, pessimism with America no longer being sort of on top. I had the impression, well, I mean, there was the quote, unquote losing of the Vietnam war, which was a blow, and it was right around that time when I started becoming socially, you know, a socially conscious adult. And, I realize that people of my age have no, um, no major success in the sense that, uh, you saw the passage of the Civil Rights Act, and, um, major social change in that sense, and I, and all the changes that have happened in the last, uh, even during my adulthood, have been more incremental. They've been continual perhaps and good gains have been made, but there hasn't been the same sort of fiery speeches of Martin Luther King or whatever, that has really, uh, galvanized the population. And there's just, instead there's been sort of an increasing, oh, I don't know, Japan bashing and things like that. Uh-huh. And, uh, a lot of, I see among some of my friends and even more among some of my students, who are, you know, maybe twenty, a real sense of, you know, America's losing it. Yes. And losing it in the competitive market, and a real uh, a lack of understanding how that could be. In the sense that how could America have gone from being number one, to possibly being number two, to, you know, our former enemies and things like that
and, uh, so I see, I see a lot of, uh, a lot of pessimism growing, um, and at the same time I think there's, there's, there's a growing environmentalist movement and sense of corporate increased corporate responsible towards, uh, you know, environmental safety and things like that. And that might potentially be sort of the civil right, the equivalent of the Civil Rights Act in, in the near future, in terms of, you know, some real landmark bills passing and things like that. Such that, you know, people. The thing about civil rights is people take it for granted now. I mean my generation doesn't, can't rest on the, the glow of having achieved civil rights because we were born into an assumption that, you know, yes there's still some racism but, you know, basically things are, the assumption, things are basically kind of taken care of and there's a notion of fairness. Yes. That's, um, while still far from perfect, is much more established, I think. But even, uh, I think, uh, along the line of the, uh, goals of civil rights, um, there always seems to be some prejudice to someone by anyone. Uh-huh. Oh, of course I mean, you know It's human nature You know, don't like the way you look, don't like the way you dress, don't like your hair, don't like, you know it's just something that always sets people off. You know, you either like someone or you don't like someone or you're just completely indifferent Yeah,
yeah And the problem is that ideally you they, you know, the world would like you to be completely indifferent. So, um, but I, I, I understand what you say about the environmental movement, um, it's, it's been a long time coming, Uh-huh. Yeah, yeah. And I, I just, I've seen a lot of changes, I mean, from the original earth day Uh-huh. and, um, I'm heavily involved in, you know, my own personal recycling. We recycle paper, and cans here at work Uh-huh, uh-huh. and, you know, I do the newspaper and cardboard and paper and, you know, all that stuff at home Uh-huh, uh-huh. and I'm starting to see more and more recycling centers, cropping up all over the place here, on the, east coast, Uh-huh. Right.
And that's a real change, except it sort of, brings back to the nineteen forties more than anything else Yeah, like, I mean, all this recycling used to be in tact, *typo in tact should be 'intact' or not all of it, Yeah. but much of it did. I mean, recycling was a, was a wartime thing. And then they turned around and called them junkyards, and, started making profits off, them after the war. Yes. Yes And now we got to the point where the junkyards, you've got to pay them to take something there, Uh-huh. so, things have really changed a lot. I think the, uh, the other part about, uh, America's decline I think has to do with, A perceived decline anyway, yeah. yeah, the perceived decline, has to do with, uh, um, the attitudes and the educational system, uh, I have children in, in, I have three children in school right now, and I'm not impressed with the teachers that are teaching them. Uh, I had,
when I was down in Dallas for two years, I had, uh, my children come home from school with papers that were corrected by the teacher that had words spelled correctly marked wrong, and words spelled wrong not marked as such. Uh-huh. Yeah. And this person's teaching my children? Uh-huh. You know, I had a real problem with that. Yeah. Well, I'd, I'd say actually I mean as someone who's involved in education I'd say that maybe one of the changes is that the, role of the teacher has incrementally gotten lower and lower value and society. I mean, relative pay which is a major way we value people, has been poorer and poorer over the years. Uh, you know, that there's been cost of living increases but not quite in proportion to cost of living and, you know it's just more and more, uh, a real low income sort of job and very low prestige. I mean, there's that, that old saying those who can do it and those who can't teach, this is the way of let's make fun of the teachers those are the people who can't do anything. Yeah. And if you have that kind of social attitude it's hard to get sufficient numbers of people who are going to overlook all of that work for lower pay, work for low social prestige, just because they care about good education. Yeah. And you get more and more people and up there because it's, uh, it's the safety net of those of, you know, average intelligence or something, they can always teach. Um, I'm not sure if your familiar with the movement they have here in Maryland,
but they're trying to get a, uh, a, uh, a merit system here in Maryland rather than a, uh, tenure system, Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Yeah, so, uh, what are your favorite T V shows? One that I can't find anymore which is GABRIEL'S FIRE. Oh, I haven't watched that very much, is that, do you like that? Yes. When was that on? It was usually on, um, Thursday nights. On A B C? I don't know Oh, oh, yeah, well, um, um, it may be that, um, it was recently replaced, by actually by, um, by what may be my favorite T V show of, because sort of, uh, um, TWIN PEAKS. It was same time period, yes. Yeah, so, TWIN PEAKS, um, what happened was, I think, TWIN PEAKS, um, went, went off, they moved to a Saturday night for a while. And then put, and then put something, I guess, GABRIEL'S FIRE on it, and at Thursday nights,
and then they moved, um, no, GABRIEL'S FIRE was on C B S, I think, I, I take that back. I'm not sure, but anyway they moved it back and forth and that's when PEAKS was back in that time slot as well. So, I don't know. You don't know what happened to GABRIEL'S FIRE then? No, I have no idea. I don't think, I don't think that was on A B C, anyway I don't know what happened to it though. I don't remember one, from one station to another. I keep forgetting one station. What's your second favorite? Um, it's hard to say I'm sort of a very big TWIN PEAKS fan, and beyond that I just sort of watch anything that happens to be on. I'm, I'm, half the time I'm a T V addict and the other half the time I just ignore it
it's really bad. Yeah, there's some new shows that I sort of like, um, have you seen this SHANNON FIELD SHOW or, uh, it's about a lawyer, it's one of these lawyer shows, you know, they seem to be popular these days. And there's a lot of those Blair shows floating around. Oh, is he the reformed, um, gambler? Yeah. Yes, yes, yes. I just like I just finished watching that a few minutes ago, Um, and it and, that, that's a interesting one. I, I, I like that, because there's, there are , I've noticed that every, every major station now has their own law show. There's L A LAW, and there's, um, EQUAL JUSTICE, some other one, LAW AND ORDER or something. Do you like the law shows
or, I really don't watch that much T V, what I do is I tape the programs I want to watch, and then on the nights I can watch, I'll pick out something. That, that makes logic , But, um, also saves a lot of time with commercials. you're not kidding. Do you ever watch AMERICAN GLADIATORS? Oh, I have. I've, I've, I watched that late, um, I guess it's on late Saturday nights or something, Midnight. that's entering the day as well. Midnight. Have you, have, have you seen this often? I tape it. Oh, really? Yeah, I tape it because I don't stay up that late to watch it,
Yeah. I tape it. But I understand, uh, that in England, they play it at normal times because they don't consider that violent, and the reason they have it on here so late is because they consider it a violent program. Really? I, And, I'm like, I don't believe this. That don't, it , it, it seems like, I mean, if wrestling is prime time, professional wrestling, it seems like it's just, just, just like pros in a wrestling to me, I don't, I don't see any difference though, I don't either. I, I don't understand it, they consider it violent. I have so ever , I have seen it on, where we are , I live in, uh , Rochester, New York, and I think a, You're in New York? Yes.
Oh. Where are you? I'm in Dallas, Texas. You're, uh, everybody I speak to is in Texas, oh, oh, yeah, but I'm, I'm in New York and, uh, we seem, we seem to have, um, I think the AMERICAN GLADIATORS is on Sunday afternoons actually around here as well, sometimes. Oh, really? I think it's been on, I think I've seen it during the day. Oh. Definitely seen it on, on, during the day down there , and I don't think it's a very violent show, I think it's funny. I think it's a real good concept, I think it's something completely new. I think it's great. I love watching a microbiologist fighting off with a policemen or something else,
and competition. I'm going oh, great, you know, it's a, it's a great role model for everybody. I think so, I think because people sort of get through, you know, um, I think that people sort of learn the importance of sort of physical fitness as well as the, as well as, you know, some mental fitness and I think that people sort of learn good sportsmanship and so forth. Oh, yes, I mean, when I had, uh, I was watching it, the, first time I ever saw a microbiologist on there I thought well, it just goes to prove it has nothing to do with your physical capabilities. And, uh, there she was terrific, she was really terrific. Well, don't they take people who have some sort of, um, big abilities like and, and at least they used to when it, when it, the first ones I saw they had, um, a man on who was, uh, he played college football and almost went pro, and they had a, a woman who was a black belt in karate and she was the, uh, she was in the junior Olympics or something or they seem to have people who have very, very big sports backgrounds. To have they, leaned away from that sort of, They hold competitions in Los Angeles in, um, Florida and Minneapolis, um,
trying to think of, I think it's in four places around the United States. They hold competition and the only requirement is, of course, your skill of passing these tests, Oh, that's how they do it. and that's it. And we had a bar man from here in Dallas area that made it. Really? There is a woman that, uh, made, well, she called herself a craft person so, I'm not quite sure what she made. And, uh, she made it. I mean there is no, your occupation has nothing to do with it. Yeah, okay, I just thought they had some, Strictly your skill. yeah, I thought they had some sort of,
I mean, I thought they were just poor people like us I guess not, that's great. Huh-uh. But, maybe I'll try it one day. I'll get on there one day and see if I can, uh, um, what, what do they win, they, they win money I think, don't they? I think the last I heard was it's up to about a hundred fifty thousand dollars. Really? Uh-huh. Wow. All that for getting tennis balls shot at you at a hundred miles an hour. Yeah, that's, you know, just minor. Just minor little ball here or there, you know. One little ball here and there, yeah, and this guy's beating you up, so, I don't know the beating up part. I, I actually feel the tennis balls would hurt.
Oh, well, they, they come out with a lot of bruises too. They look like, Yeah, they seem like a tennis ball but it almost doesn't look like it's almost livable yeah, the best I, I don't think I could, I, I could handle those tennis balls. So, what else to you tape besides AMERICAN at, there anything else? Hey, Huh? see I tape MURDER SHE WROTE. Okay. I like mysteries. Oh, okay. I like mysteries. I tape, um, FATHER DOWLING, because that's another mystery, Uh-huh. and I don't have to concentrate too hard on them.
But, I'm sure that's fun. Um, most of the lawyer programs like, uh, LAW AND ORDER, they're not on the times that I've got, that I've watched because I haven't had T got, T V GUIDE around here in ages. Uh-huh. Oh, okay, well, they seem to be on later, Yeah. all, always right, right before the news is when I catch them. I, I tend to, if nothing else is in the town television at eleven o'clock just to watch the news, and or, or NIGHTLINE or something, just sort of get a good, you know, a good, a good think for the day. Your news is on at eleven? Yes. When is yours on? Ten, I was just in the middle of watching it. Oh, gosh, well, I'm sorry I interrupted, um, Oh, that's okay. Yeah, ours is on, No problem.
actually it, ours is on at eleven it, it's, um, eleven o'clock now here or eleven twenty-five now here in New York. Um, I think they they do that, I think they put things on at, um, eleven o'clock here and I think they put it like eleven o'clock, um, California time, like in California but in the middle they sort of, um, like central time or mountain time they, they push things back. So, I was actually, actually I'm not sure , I was in, I was in Iowa awhile ago, and noticed that everything was an hour earlier, so, does your prime time start at seven o'clock? No, well, they have it at six and they have it at nine, Wait, no, no, and they have one at ten. not, not even the news
but do they have like, um, do like sort of all the regular sitcoms and so forth, start at seven o'clock? You, so, like, you know, the regular television shows that are, that are very popular, do they start at, seven or, or at eight? I'm trying to think. Both, um, let's see they start, um, EVENING SHADE at seven and then it goes to, um, what is it after EVENING, um, Right, because that would the eight o'clock here. that's MAJOR DAD at eight I think it is. Yeah, that, that would all start at, at, um, that would all start at, at eight o'clock here, that wouldn't start at seven. We have, um, at seven o'clock we just have, um, the, they'll play, you know, they have old reruns of CHEERS or something from seven to seven thirty, and then something else from seven thirty to eight
Huh. and ours start at, at, at, at eight and end at eleven, that's why we . I, I would actually like it better if everything started at seven and ended at ten. Yeah, it's, it's stopped around here at ten and it goes into night programs, at that point which could be one of, you know, many different night programs but it goes into night programs. Oh, that's great. But, uh, do you ever watch CHEERS? Oh, all the time. Do you watch CHEERS Oh, yeah, oh, yeah. it's at, that was actually a big dilemma for me now because, um, CHEERS, CHEERS and TWIN PEAKS are now on the same time, So, Jan, how do they recycle in Texas? Well, I, the biggest, uh, way it's going right now, uh, lot, most of the grocery stores have got, uh, things set up where you can bring in your, uh, plastic, and your cans, and newspapers. Uh-huh.
And then they've just got different barrels setting out , I shouldn't say barrels, like big John Doors or, whatever they're, called. Gondolas Uh-huh. Yeah. Yeah. Um, they've got them set outside and, Is it, is it all voluntary? uh, Yes. It's all voluntary. Now, they do have some places where you can take things and get cash Right. Uh-huh. You know, they just want to, uh, help recycle. Which is, what we do. You know, Yeah. Uh-huh. we, probably the only thing, sometimes we'll take cash or the cans in and we let the kids get the money for that.
Right. Yeah. But, uh, There's, a lot of projects where the, the Boy Scouts and things, and that will, collect your cans Right. Right. Yeah. That's true, but, but that's really the, the biggest thing around here is the grocery stores participating. Uh-huh. You know but, I guess, I, you see, I guess it depends on your landfill space. Uh-huh. I know, I, we're in Maryland, but, my, I from Pennsylvania *missing copula? and my parents how, are forced recycling, Oh, really?
uh, Yeah. Oh, wow. Uh, Pennsylvania, Ohio, and New York are some of the, uh, they're using their landfills up faster than they can get new ones. Yeah. So, it's really, uh, it's, uh, really hard on them. Now, up here in Maryland, though, we're just in a voluntary recycling stage right now. So, uh, so my wife and I, you know, we save our bottles, and we save our newspapers, and we save all our plastic, and all of our tin cans. And just like you say, we go to, uh, a community area where they have it set up and we dump them off there. So, it's Yeah. It's still voluntary, though I think, I think we're supposed to have something implemented by nineteen ninety-three, though where some aspects will be mandatory. you say it is all voluntary. Do they, Will it be mandatory? Uh-huh.
Is it all, um, is there any place at all where you do get cash for this stuff or is it all, Mostly just the cans. Okay. And I, Yeah. And that's, and most of the time, like I said, that's, that's a sort of like fund raiser things that, the schools do, or that the Boy Scouts do, or whatever. Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. That's true. That's, Cans are the only thing I think you really get money for. Well, they do have places around here where you can get money for your newspapers, and stuff like that. Uh-huh. But, you know, I think a lot of people, like I said, are more concerned, with, you know, right now, you know, the aspects of saving the earth Right.
Uh-huh. Yeah, I think that's mostly, well, you know, we, even before, as soon as the community said, you know, We're going to put up bins for recycling, you know, we automatically started, doing it. It was, it's one of those things, Right. you know, and just going and taking the time to go and read the signs and the brochures on what they accept and how it should be, separated, you know. Uh-huh. That's, Well, I tell you, it's kind of funny now at, even at T I, I don't, do you work for T I? No. Huh-uh. Okay. Um, at T I they're doing recycling. I mean, for a long time they didn't do this, but now they're, they're recycling cans and paper. We have separate bins uh, separate wastebaskets in our offices for paper.
Yeah. Uh-huh. Yeah. You know, and they, I mean it's tremendous how much money they have saved and even saving all these trees and, you know it's really, Right. I can't believe that you know. Because they've got it all posted all over the place how much, they're saving and how Yeah. How much, how well they're doing. yeah. We do, I, um, I, I work in a, uh, speech interface lab, at a, at a, at a college. Oh, okay. And we do basically the same thing. The state of Maryland has lost, asked all the colleges and universities, and some of the large organizations, you know, if they would definitely recycle their office paper. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. But, you know, in the giant bins around, and it's surprising how much you never realize, because that janitor comes around and empties your garbage, can every night.
Yeah. Right. Yep. You don't notice until, you start leaving, you know, they don't pick up your recycling until it's full you just can't believe how much paper that you, uh, Right. I know Reams of paper come, out of an office every day That , took us to recycle. Well, you think about, the waste, even. Uh-huh. I mean, you know, cost wise and and, you know, like you saving trees and stuff like that. Right. I mean, it's just amazing, you know, the difference. Yeah. So, I think, Hopefully, if, you know, I guess a lot of the large organizations, probably T I, did they advertise on television how successful they are? I haven't seen, anything. Yeah. Uh, but that doesn't mean that they don't. I don't watch much T V,
Yeah. but, I haven't really seen anything advertise publicly. Uh-huh. And then, like I said, they do a lot of internal, advertising on that kind of stuff. Internal. Uh-huh. But, I haven't seen anything. Yeah. But see, I don't see a lot of T I advertisements on T V anyway. I think they advertise more, um, other places where they're not located. Right. Yeah. That would probably, be true. You know. So, So, I don't see a lot of advertisements for T I. Yeah. Because I know that some of the large industries here will advertise on television, you know, they'll come up and say, you know, they'll show you to encourage to encourage recycling. They'll, say, Right.
And here, those of us that Dumavra Power, which is our power company, that, Uh-huh. we now recycle forty-five percent of our solid waste, Right and they, and that, we do this for the community, they put those on. So I, so I think, you know, we're probably reaching a successful stage and, and just with voluntary, I think. Right. Well, even, I mean, in the kid's schools, I mean they do things to try and recycle. Uh-huh. And, I know my kids, um, like if they see litter on the ground they pick it up and say, Oh, look at that. Somebody is not saving the earth, you know. Right. Yeah. So, I mean, the kids, I mean, they really try to educate all ages, you know, and it's good to start the kids real young on, I think so, too. Yeah. I mean, it's like nobody was concerned about it.
Right. Yeah. We weren't, concerned. You know, and it's like, Yeah. That's true. You know, it's like all of a sudden when there's noticeable things, saying, Hey, you know, we're ruining the earth, Huh. you know. And now everybody is doing something about, which is good. Uh-huh. But how come we weren't doing this, say, twenty years ago you know? Yeah. I, I think really probably what hit peoples, you know, I know that here in the, up in the, uh, uh, the, the New Englands area and also in, in Pennsylvania, Ohio, and New York, the, just run, all of a sudden we're out of landfill. Uh-huh. And, and they're saying, We estimate this landfill be will be full in two years unless we cut back. Uh-huh. So, I think that, that became, that all of a sudden really hit home that there's no longer landfill space, in some of the more crowded states. This is, So, what,
you know, and no other state, I'm sure Texas probably still has some landfill space. They're not going to voluntarily say, Hey, ship your garbage here. Right Yeah. That's true. It's really, tough. I think, that it, it really surprises me because of the cost savings. I mean, this is such a tremendous, amount of cost savings. Uh-huh. I mean, why, I can't understand why nobody saw that before. I mean, even, even not even the aspects of not saving the earth Uh-huh. I, mean, it's, so cost, you know, Right. Yeah. But, well, Well, in some ways, I guess, it, it doesn't become really cost saving until you have an industry around it, you know. Because, I know that, like in, Pennsylvania, they require them to, um, put their newspaper for recycling. But, the de-inking process that they have to, they use, to take the ink out of the newspaper so it can be reused um, is very expensive,
Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Oh. and also, it it produces a, a waste, a, um, a, liquid waste that they don't know what to do with yet. they still have cost, yeah, cost efficient, yet. Oh. I see, okay. Is not real cost efficient. Oh, okay, okay. Oh, Yeah. I, understand that though. So, but others, you know, like tin cans and plastics, are, are really, uh, efficient, you know. Uh-huh. They, they melt on quickly and can be, you know, just because of the, heating and things, getting glass. Right. and glass. Right. Yeah. Uh-huh. So,

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