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just a couple. What do you have Uh, I've got an Omega and I've got a, uh, generic three eighty, or four eighty-six machine. Oh, yeah? Yeah, it's very, very generic. What did you do, put it together? Yeah, and, and, uh, upgraded it and put things in there and dibbled and dabbled and now, now it's, now it's a fast machine Well, that's, Yeah. That's all I got to say for it. Yeah. What do you use it for? Huh? What do you use it for? Uh, work, uh, I'm a contract programmer.
Oh, yeah? What kind of programs do you, Uh, anything Okay, I mean like business programs or, Man. Uh, I've done business programming, you know, scientific applications like, you know, petroleum science stuff and, Uh, uh, test equipment and I did the, I, I did one that was, the demonstration of a touch, touch screen for a company that sells, uh, touch screens. It was kind of fun. Uh-huh, Put a little bitty portable computer in there and a plasma display. And make it look like things like, uh, you know, attack simulators and , and all sorts of little things you'd want to put your finger on the screen for. Huh. Well, that's, Well, that sounds interesting. Matter of fact, uh, I guess you do, uh, you get a lot of graphics in there, I imagine, huh. Oh, yeah, definitely. That's where the speed helps out. Uh, yeah, unfortunately the little portable P C that was plugged on the back was only a seven and a half megahertz, eighty, eighty-six.
It's like slow out the Yep, that will, that will, slow you up Huh? Well, I, I do, uh, uh, programming for C N C turret presses and uh, cat cam system type things Uh-huh. and, uh, really need a faster system. Uh, I got a new line that I, I sell metal fabricating equipment, and cat cam systems, and tooling, et cetera. Uh-huh. Uh, I know a guy that upgrades, uh, for a reasonable cost. Who is that? Uh, his name is T Q or something like that. And my notebook is somewhere around here See if I can make my telephone cord stretch far enough. I've tried to do is get this outfit to give me one Uh, he's, uh, up in, Huh? That's how I got my other ones by selling their product for them. They not only give me a demonstrator, but the hardware as well as the software.
Uh-huh. And as they, And as they go to the next one I just keep the, Oh, that works. that's why I have so many different levels of P C around at the moment. Uh, here it is. A T S Computers. A T S? Uh-huh. And where are they at? Uh, do you know where, uh, Custer is? Oh, yeah. Okay, he's, uh, uh, south of Renner on, on Custer. And there is a little bitty mall that looks kind of like, or, strip kind of center. In Richardson there. Huh? In Richardson? Uh-huh. I know where you mean. There is a Mobil and all that kind of uh, on that one corner,
that's about Lookout there, I think, isn't it. Right, it's, it's, it's just south of there. Yeah. It's a little place, looks like a castle. Yeah. Kind of, uh, little guy in there. He, he, uh, gives reasonable prices. Oh. Like I, I traded my, uh, three eighty-six for the four eighty-six for about six hundred. Really? Well, that's a good deal. Yeah, it was pretty reasonable. Yeah. But, uh, uh, he, and he does a good job and he, he, he, uh, guarantees everything he sells. Uh, there is a lot, you ever go by Lucky Computer there?
Uh-huh, yeah. I used to, when I was putting shop floor computers together for guys, I'd go and get their units and put them together and go and interface the stuff with our systems. Uh-huh. Haven't been doing much of that for the last year or so. So I, I don't know where those guys are at these days. But I, , Uh, they, they're up there in that mall. Uh, just below Campbell. Or that strip, strip, center. Yeah. Yeah. They're still doing business. Big business, apparently. I tell you, those prices have just, unbelievably come down. Uh-huh, oh, yeah, I was amazed I was able to get this four eighty-six for six hundred even with a trade in, you know, it's like, wow Yeah. That works, I'll go do that
I, And boy that thing screams now. Yeah, I was kind of surprised how rapidly they bypassed, the three eighty-six. That wasn't alive for but maybe two years. Uh-huh. Well, I thought was funny that they kept pushing the three eighty-six S X even though the, the price difference is about ten dollars. Is that right? That's it? Yeah, it, when it comes on the manufacturing floor it's about ten bucks. I'll be darned. Yeah. Huh, well, you've done. Our most recent series of projects I guess, was, inside was, uh, we remodeled a bathroom recently. Well, how did it go? Well, it went pretty well, uh, other than the fact that we encountered some, uh, problems that you run across in older homes with plumbing, which one thing led to another, and eventually we ended up replacing all the pipes from the sink clear back to the main drain. Which meant you needed to take the wall out and start all over. Gee, like starting over, I guess.
Uh. It wasn't one of those, it started out as a Sunday project Uh-huh and by, by the next Sunday it was done. It wasn't a one dayer. Believe me. Boy, that sounds like, uh, course, uh, I don't know, once you get it done, then you probably won't have that problem again. Yeah, it's good for another thirty years. Um, you've got an older house? Yes. They are built a little bit more sturdy than Well, that's the thing that surprised me, because once I got into the plumbing everything in there was copper, Right. and it was all soldered. Oh, is that right. That's what drove me bananas, because, you know, I'm going to the hardware store saying give me plastic pipe and and cement to fit them together
Yes. and nothing wanted to go, so it was like I had to go all the way back to the main drain and start all over. And just start at square one. Really. Uh. That was an all day job, just to get it plumbed. Well, and then if you do it wrong Fortunately, I was very fortunate, uh, in the fact that, uh, when I made the installation of the sink and everything bolted up and we turned the water on nothing leaked, Everything went all right. everything worked. And I just said, that's marvelous. I appreciate it. That's the type of thing you cross your fingers and are glad when that happens. Well, I expected something to leak, you know left a fitting loose, or didn't use teflon tape on one of them or something like that. Right. Yes. Right. But it all came together, so I, I felt pretty fortunate about that.
All worked out all right, huh. How about you? Well, um, well probably the last thing I did was, uh, paint and wallpaper kids room Uh-huh. and, uh, I learned to, I used the wrong kind of paint. This wasn't, must have not been a very good quality, because it just hasn't stood up very well. What kind of paint? It was a latex paint, paint, it was flat Uh-huh. and I wonder if maybe I should have used a gloss. Uh, but they say you ought to use your gloss mainly in your kitchens, and things like that. Yeah, that, and semigloss for trim work, and usually flat for walls. Yeah, but I think maybe, uh, I don't know if it was just the. Was it not washable paint? Well, it, it is a latex paint,
but it just kind of is, is, so, you know, so it's supposed to wash, you're supposed to be able to wash it Uh-huh. but it, um, just looks dingy. I don't know how else to explain it. What color is it? It's pink. Pink, okay. It's kind of got, uh, oh, just kind of a worn look to it. I don't know even how to say, just didn't turn out quite as nice as I would have liked but, Did you, uh, require more than one can of paint? I, we put two coats on it, and it's a small room, but I think it only took one, uh, can. You didn't have to mix paint then, right. No. Okay.
We did, uh, oh, you do mix the color as far as you start with, uh, white and then they add the color. Uh-huh. Yeah. You know what I'm saying but, Yeah. But you only had one can of paint that you did the entire room with. Yes. Right. And then I wall papered a couple of walls, and, uh. How'd that go? Well, that was the first time I've ever wallpapered, and, uh, Kind of fun, isn't it. That's an education in itself. Really. But, uh, the dye lots, uh, must have been a little bit different from,
first of all it takes quite a few rolls, even a small room, if you're trying to match a design. Repeating patterns is what you have to check for when you, when you buy your paper. Yes. That's what I needed, and I didn't think about that. I got a Mickey Mouse print is what I got. Yeah. And so a lot is wasted. Normally it will tell you on the roll how often a pattern repeats. So you know how. See, I didn't even think to look for that. Yeah. And then the, one of them was just a different color, different color pink, is what it ended up being. Um. And . When you did your papering did you start in the middle of the wall? No I didn't. Or did you start at the edge?
Is that how you're supposed to do? I started at one edge and went over, then you had to cut around the closet and cut around a window Uh-huh. Uh-huh. but, uh, I've had my best luck in papering when I start in the middle of a wall, and I'll start with a plumb line. And start in the middle of the wall, and, and go from there, and go all the way around the room. And start right there. Do you seem to get it straighter, is that the advantage, or what's the, Well, you, you, Do you have any children? Yeah, I have two, two boys, twelve and sixteen. Twelve and sixteen. Uh-huh, how about you? Well, I have three,
and, uh, they're five and three and nineteen months. Oh. So we kind of got different ball game but, uh. Right What, uh, do you feel like you have any time, to spend with them? Well. They're probably at an age where they don't want to spend any time with their parents. That's true You actually, of course, spend less time with them when they get older, but it's, of course, still really important. Right. I have a kind of a fortunate situation, I think, right now with my sixteen year old. Um, I work two nights a week at a, I'm a librarian Oh, uh-huh. and I work two nights a week at the Senior High School library. They keep it open, you know, for kids to do their work Right.
and he, um, and then they, the school district hires an aide, you know, to work for me. Sure. Well, my son is my aide. Oh, well, that's nice. So, two nights a week for four hours we're stuck together You're stuck together. and there's usually not very much business. No. I mean, some nights it's just real, real quiet. So. I would suspect your nights would be pretty quiet for the most part. So we, I have sort of a captive audience, so I really do spend probably more time with him than, than most, you know. Right. But, uh, of course I'm away from my other son those hours, too. But his dad's at home pretty much that time. And so that kind of gives him, uh, time with his dad, then. Yeah, that's true, yeah.
Gives him a little bit of that individual time. But, but it is hard, once they get that age, I mean, their friends are the most important thing there is. Right, and they want to be able to spend, uh. That's right. Well, I've even noticed that with my five year old. She started kindergarten this year, and every day that she's not at school, uh, she thinks we need to have someone over and play Uh-huh. Uh-huh and that kind of Yeah, it's kind of hard. yeah, it's hard, I think, uh, I find myself getting my little projects going and not taking the time that I should Yeah. I'm more worried about, Oh, I didn't this done, I didn't get,
the kitchen needs to be cleaned Uh-huh. this needs to be done, and and I need to remind myself to slow down Uh-huh. and it'll still be there tomorrow. Right. Yeah, that's true. But that's kind of hard to do, you know. Yes, it is hard to do, right, yeah. You don't see yourself getting. Well, if you're kind of a person that likes things, you know, organized or neat Uh-huh. or, you know Right. then I think it, it is hard.
It's, um, I think one of the nice things about holidays is that, you know, it does give you the opportunity to spend more time yeah, with family. Slow down a little bit. We have, we often go to Illinois for Christmas, Oh, uh-huh. and we're not this year, and it's just really nice because we can do, you know, the things you want to do. You can do, uh, more than than when you travel. Yeah. Yeah, that's right. This is the first year we're staying home, too, and, uh, I think it's going to be real quiet but, uh, that's an opportunity to get out the games and, Yeah, right. See, we usually do that, my, my kids even have already gotten out, um, my twelve year old got out the Legos which of course he hasn't touched since last summer
Right. Of of course. but, you know, but every now and then, I mean, he's got a lot of those technic, those hard kind, you know, and he wants to be an engineer, so he still likes all that kind of building stuff Oh, yeah. and, um, we have the train, and we haven't had that Lego train together for years, and, um, so he sat down, and I told him I really wanted him to build the train, and we would put it under the tree, and that I would keep it together, I wouldn't take it apart Wouldn't take it apart after that. yeah, and every year I'd have the Lego train under the tree. That'd be kind of fun. And, um, so he worked on that for the longest time, ever since school was out on Friday, and, um, then his sixteen year old brother started helping, too, you know. you know, these are kind of things like during the normal rat race Right,
right. those kinds of things never happen No but. no. In fact in, I think if people would learn to turn off the T V and Uh-huh. Yeah. I think that's a lot of the breakdown of the communication and the communication that would take place in a family, Yes, yeah. Which is, usually people are not sitting in front of that. Uh-huh, and there's always a few people in the family that, when they stare at it, you know, they're totally turned off to everything else. The rest of. Yes, and you can't communicate while you're doing that, right? No
That's right. Whereas, uh, I'm the type of person, I could not sit, well, I shouldn't say I could not, but be very hard for me to sit down and watch a program all the way through without doing something. Yeah, yeah, me too. Yeah, Because they talk so much, isn't that the, they talk about T V shows, and I, huh, you know, how can you watch that, you know You're kind of like, what are you talking about and, uh, it's the best show on, I don't know. You feel like you're a little bit out of it, don't you. They need to have a highlight in the newspaper or something tell us what's, Okay,
all set, then. Uh, what do you think about it? Uh, I think it's a real good concept. Uh, drug testing procedures would have to be refined. Uh-huh. From what I've seen on the news there's a, a pretty good size problem with poor accuracy, poor procedure in, uh, drug testing. Oh, I didn't realize that. Yeah. Uh, there have been people who have been turned down for jobs because there was a drug showed up in their, in their, uh, test, but they didn't know for sure what it was, but it was a drug, so they got turned down and, uh, turns out it was a prescription. Or people getting somebody else's blood test. Uh-huh. Same sort of problem that happens sometimes is these, some of these, uh, like AIDS tests and such. Okay. Uh-huh, yeah, that's right, I have heard,
uh, I don't remember what they call it, sort of like a positive, negatives or some, some kind of word they use when a, uh, you get a, uh, a positive indication of drugs, but there's not really, there weren't really any there. Yeah. Uh, every now and then there's an error and people are really upset about that when it comes to their rights and their rights being violated. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I, I work here at Texas Instruments so, uh, we, we do a, let me think, do we, yeah, everyone coming in. I guess I did three years ago. Yeah. Everyone coming in, uh, goes through the drug testing procedure and they talk about it as a, you know, as, as better for the country and better for the working conditions. Uh-huh. So if they, uh, they test for drugs. Yeah. I, I'm, I can't even remember if we do random sampling anymore. I know we did in the military, but I don't know if once your in they continue to do it, Yeah
but I guess you're always on call for it. Yeah, I not very long ago worked for Wal-Mart Uh-huh. and about a year and a half ago they instituted a, uh, a, uh, drug testing program, uh, well drug and alcohol testing program. It's, it's not a random Uh-huh. through the it, as each employee comes in part of the hiring procedure is a, a blood test Uh, Uh-huh. but I think the big problem, though, is, is they send these off to large labs Uh-huh, right. and then they have thousands and thousands of samples that, uh, going through it in a day and bottles get mixed up, things like that. So your big beef with it is the, uh, It's . Is, is, it's a good idea, but like you said the drug testing procedures need to be defined a little better. Yeah.
Make sure it's a lot safer because a couple of people are going to be discriminated against unfairly or whatever. Yeah, I I, I tend to agree with you David. Yeah. Yeah, my brother, uh, brother used to work for Wal-Mart and then, I don't know if he still does or what because I don't know if Sam's is actually part of it, but he, you know is working at Sam's now. Yeah. Yeah, Sam's is part of Wal-Mart. Okay, yeah, then he's been working for the company for a while, too. He, uh, Yeah. Good company, uh, Oh, yeah. You all, uh, have some, he's telling me about good profit sharing and all that,
Company's, that was a great place to work. so. Uh-huh. It's good news Yeah, they got to had two or three years in with them you can start buying stock and you have a, have a little taken out of your check each, each payday to put against, uh, uh, stock portfolio. Uh, not portfolio, just, you know, against Wal-Mart stock. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. But, uh, you can build a pretty fair amount of stock after a while. Yeah, that's what my brother was telling me. That's good, good good deal. Well, uh, how long were we I haven't done this in a couple months. How long were we supposed to discuss for? Uh, you're supposed to get five minutes. Okay, we got a couple more minutes then, I guess Uh, think what else I can say about that. Uh,
Uh, do you have any idea, uh, let's see, you were, you were tested for drugs as you got into T, as, as you got into T I? Right, uh, everyone coming in gets, goes through the drug test. Yeah. Uh, now, uh, were you asked to wait before starting to work until the drug test came through or, Uh, no, well, let me think about that. Yeah, it was after, I I had already been hired. Uh, Okay Yeah, you get hired, then you come in the first, I, seems to me I remember that, uh, I was hired, came in and went through some orientation and I thought I, boy, I can't remember. That would seem strange to already be working here in the first week of the drug test.
Maybe it was during the interview. I came up a couple times for an interview, so it's hard for me to remember where I was when all that happened. But, uh, I guess, just like other companies, other friends I've been hearing about that have been moving around, it's, it's before. They have to wait for the drug test to come in before you actually get employment, so I'm sure that happened to me, too. Yeah. Yeah. What, what about, oh, they just instituted it there at Wal-Mart Yeah. so, They, they, it was after I was already working there and they weren't testing any of those who were already working. Right. So, Okay, now then you heard the question, what what do you like to do for yourself in car automobile repairs?
Uh-huh. Well, I'll tell you, I used to do a lot more repairs when cars were easy to work on, than I do now. Okay. I do, uh, I do the easy stuff now. I change oil, uh, and then what some people would consider a little more difficult, I, I'll change spark plugs and I'll change, you know, points and, you, you know, do air filters, that kind of stuff. Um. Well. But, uh, I can't do as much as I used to, um, I used to do a whole lot more, but not any more, they're just too weird to work on now. Is that the reason you're not doing it, or are you so busy you don't have time to do it? Well, that's part of it Uh. yeah, part of it is, like you said, I don't have time. Okay. Well being a female and being alone, you, I don't do anything but put gasoline, in my car, and let someone else check the oil even.
Uh-huh. But, uh, have you had any major repairs recently? Well, um, on this car I've got now, no, but I had a van before, and it was only two years old, and it had transmission go out on it. Oh. But fortunately that was covered under the warranty. Okay. Well, you should be, feel very fortunate. I had to have a transmission replaced in an eighty-six automobile Um. and I'll declare, that's an expensive. Oh, yeah. Yes, uh-huh. Maybe I should have just traded the car in. Yeah, sometimes it makes you wonder. Oh, it just,
well, I have a very comfortable car and I have a health problem that I need a large comfortable car. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. So, um, anyway, I have a new transmission, and I'm sure that any of them would have cost or charged me almost the same amount. But Yeah. it hurts, it hurts real bad. Did you take it to a dealership? No, I took it to an independent out in Garland. Uh-huh. Oh, I see. I had, um, these people were recommended by a neighbor Uh-huh. and, you know, that's the only thing, I am not a native of Dallas. Oh, I see. So that means I have to depend on, on trustworthy friends
Right. and that's. Anyway, it's fixed, it's running, and I pray that I get my thirteen hundred dollars out of it. Oh, gosh. Uh-huh. It's going to run for a for a while yet. Oh, I know it. It certainly is frightening. What work are you in? Uh, I, I work for T I. Oh. I, I work in the networking area. Okay, okay. Do you work for T I? No. No, okay.
No, I have just retired from, um, the Southwest Medical Center. Oh. Yeah, where there are a lot of people down there that could help me with my car, but they're all too busy. So. Yeah. I have to do it the other way, and that's find someone and pay them to do it. Yeah, yeah. So I certainly hope you have a nice New Year. Oh, yeah, I'm, I'm planning on it. Oh, it can't be any worse than last year, that's for sure. Oh, it could be, but I don't much think so Yeah. That's true,
that's true. I'm, well, we're starting out a new one, so let's make it a good one. Yeah, I'm going to try and plan on it. Okay. All right, well, I enjoyed the conversation. Thank you. All right, thank you. Bye. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. Okay, what, um, do you watch much T V or, you know. Um, no, I don't watch much T V. Sometimes, um, usually the reason I will turn it on is to hear the news. The news,
yeah. But I don't think of that every day, even. Uh-huh. Um, I think I get most of my current events, well, I get them from everywhere. I sometimes watch T V if I, I guess I watch T V if I haven't read the paper that day. We don't get a paper but I work, um, at a, I teach a college class and, uh Oh, uh-huh. there's a, the library has a paper. And so I often drop in on a break and and read it. Yeah. And I keep the radio on quite a bit when I'm home. Uh-huh. And then I, I figure if there's big, big news, I'll hear it from my husband when he gets home or, someone else, you know. Yeah,
yeah. Now I also, I get it from all over. I watch the news every day, and I we have a news, you know, we get the newspaper, and, uh um, magazines, anything. Uh-huh. You know, I'm, I read a lot, so I get, um, you know, I'm, I'm really up on, uh, current affairs. I get, you know the news and, and everything. Uh-huh. Yeah, what's your favorite news, do you get a news magazine or, Um, well, I'm not getting no, I'm not getting any news magazines
Uh-huh. but, um, you know, as, as I said, I do, it's, uh, it's easy to keep up on current you know on you know, especially when you, um you know, you get a paper every day. Yeah. Yeah, we've got. Uh-huh. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And, uh. Are you satisfied with the quality of coverage? Uh, I don't know Is there anything missing? I, you know, Yeah, it's kind of hard to know. And I don't know, you know, what, what's, I mean, what are we supposed to, uh, compare it to you know, I mean, the quality, uh, Uh-huh. whatever they tell you,
you know, I, uh, I guess I, I, you know, I'm satisfied. I mean, I, uh, you know, they, they're supposedly covering everything that happens, so Yeah, yeah. you know. Well, I do feel like, a little bit like, being from California and wanting to hear like I've heard through the grapevine sometimes that there's been an earthquake or sliding or something, and Oh, really? I don't ever hear it in the news here. Oh. Um. Well, uh, sometimes it's such a, you know, it's, it's so, um, slight, you know like the tremors are so slight that they don't even bother putting it in the paper. Yeah. Yeah. But most of the the times I find that even if there are, you know, they do have like tremors out there, you know, there'll be a small article in the paper about it.
Yeah But, uh. yeah, yeah. I sometimes feel like, um, the Dallas paper and the DALLAS NEWS, um, the top headlines are always a murder, you know. Oh, well. That's what sells papers. That that's because there's a high crime rate. Yeah. Yeah. That's, um, that's been like that since they, the first newspaper, you know Yeah, yeah, I'm sure. You know, but, um, I don't know. I, I guess I'm satisfied, I don't, uh. Uh-huh. I mean, what basis, you know, of comparison do we have really? Yeah, really.
We don't get a, you know. That's true. We certainly get enough coverage. I mean, we, we can get news, you know, I mean, there's even the C N N channel where we can get world news twenty-four hours a day. Oh, yeah, I was going to. Sure, yeah. Sometimes you don't even want to be bothered with the news because it's all so bad Yeah It's all so negative, you know. Yeah, often times. But. So. Yeah. Well, we have to keep talking, I guess Well, no, I guess we can end. Oh.
Yeah, it's just whenever we're, um. Oh, is it really? Yeah. Have you always gone until the recording? Well, yeah, I don't, I don't, uh, Uh-huh. I guess we're not supposed to I don't know, we're I guess we're supposed to wait or I don't know. Yeah. Uh-huh. I, you know, like one, uh, well, was it last week, we were supposed to talk about gardening Uh-huh. uh, and it was really funny, I, I, I mixed it, made the call,
and it happened to be my friend who lives a few blocks away. Oh, really. Yeah, and it was really. We were laughing, I mean. But, you know, we don't really do any gardening, so like, that took like a minute Uh-huh. and then we just talked about, you know, whatever, I mean. Uh-huh. Interesting. Yeah. You know, I mean, some topics, really now, you know, now, this topic, this is, I mean, there really isn't much to say after you know, you, uh, you know, you, you tell the person what, uh, news there, uh, you know, where their, where they find their sources of information from Uh-huh. Yeah. and then, you know, if it's, uh, if they're satisfied, and that's about it, really. Uh-huh.
It's hard to talk for five minutes on this Yeah So, um. Yeah. Well, I guess I can just say I, it bothers me that I hear a lot about, um, you know, on the news that, well, it seems like, I don't know, some things are sensationalized or some things are, um, you know, you'll hear one report and then you'll hear that it, you know, they didn't, um. Okay. So, what are your favorite shows? Um, I like watching COLOMBO and, um, MATLOCK and QUANTUM LEAP, Oh, really? yeah. QUANTUM LEAP? Uh-huh. Did you see it the other night? Um, uh-huh. That was, that was pretty good. Yeah, that one was.
What about, What do you, with the psychic and everything? Uh-huh, yeah. Okay. Yeah, I like, uh, I like NORTHERN EXPOSURE and, uh, HOME IMPROVEMENT. Oh, I, well I haven't seen either of those You've never seen NORTHERN EXPOSURE? Huh-uh. Oh, it's a great show. Um, I also like to watch STAR TREK, but it's on so late here, that I don't always get to see it Really? Yeah, we like it, too. Have you seen the movie? Uh, I haven't seen any of the movies because I just barely, just like in the last year or so got interested in it, and they're, you know, already out with number six by now,
but. So I haven't seen any of the movies, yet, but I. Oh, you haven't seen any of them. No. Oh, well, they're good, they're real good. They're, uh, they're getting rid of the old cast for the movies, though. Uh-huh. Which ones are you watching, the new ones? Yeah, I've seen quite a few of the older ones. I haven't seen really the new generation that much. Oh, okay. Yeah. Is there one you prefer better, the older one or the the newer one? Well, they're, they're a lot different. But, I like, I like the older ones because at that time, you know, they were really futuristic, you know. Oh, yeah. And the newer ones are, I guess the newer ones are real futuristic, too, but I like, I like both of them.
Yeah, I do too. I have a brother-in-law who really likes the old ones a lot, I mean, he almost hates the new ones Really? Yeah, because he, he thinks the newer ones is like a soap opera and the other one isn't or something, but, I don't No. Not really. It's not really like a soap opera, Oh, I think, Yeah. but, but it's, but that's true, I mean, you, you learn more about the characters and stuff, but that's the way all shows are now. Yeah, sure. Well, let's see.
Um, I like to watch COLOMBO because it's like a mystery thing. Yeah. That's sort of how Matlock is, but COLOMBO is way tricky Yeah. I mean he doesn't even try to let the person know he's getting onto them. Well, it seems like they always show COLOMBO, the same ones over and over, though you know what I'm saying, like that one where he goes to college, Well, did you see the one. Um. or is this, is there a series on. Um, yeah, there's like one on, well we see it Thursdays at seven, and it was, Okay. this last time it was about this, um, movie director, did you Yeah, I saw that one. did you see that?
See, that was a rerun. Really? Oh, I guess I Yeah, I wondered if that's Huh. see I don't know if that's a, the movie of the week or, or what, but it seems like there's only about four or five different ones, and then, then they keep showing them over and over. Oh, I guess I've, I haven't seen it before. He was a movie director, and he had that gal killed. Yeah Okay. yeah, on the set or something. That was pretty good though Yeah, it was. But, yeah,
I like COLOMBO probably the best of any of those mystery things. Uh-huh. But, um, there's no, never anything good on Saturdays, though No kidding. I don't think so. Well, STAR TREK'S on at five, but I'm never home so, What is it that, there's something I watch, something I watch on Saturdays, and I can't remember what it is. Now I used to watch TWIN PEAKS. Oh. You never saw that? I've heard of it a lot, I've heard of, a lot of people somehow or something They'll say, so and so from TWIN PEAKS, or something, you know. Yeah, yeah
that was a different soap opera. Oh. But, it was, it was a different type of show. Uh-huh. I didn't like the way it ended, though. Oh, did they end the whole series? Yeah. Oh. Yeah, they didn't, they only did it for, I think, two years. Oh. But it's all over now. Oh, another show I like to watch is MASH. So. How's your products been? Um, I really haven't had, uh, too many problems. Uh, seems to me that everything that I buy goes bad just after the warranty runs out. I hear that one. Have you had any lately go out? Yeah, I've had a dryer, an ice maker, a microwave, all three,
and they, unfortunately I bought them all three at the same time, when I bought my new house, and, uh, I really don't have any recourse, so I had to call and have them all repaired and that. Oh, wow. Yeah, it was a hassle. So you didn't get anything, even, all the, all the warranties were out? Yeah, the warranty on the refrigerator, uh, the the refrigerator warranty's still good, but the ice maker itself, passed its three years, and it was three years and two months. You're kidding. No. Yeah, we just moved into a new house, too, so we had to buy all those, too.
Uh, watch out. Yeah, the only thing I've had problems with is, um, I buy a lot of wood working equipment through the mail Uh-huh. and I bought this paint stripper where they advertise that it's nontoxic and such, and when you get the product it ends up being toxic and all these warnings. So. Um. I didn't return it because it'd probably cost me more than, I just ended up using it. But, that's about the only thing I've had gone wrong. But. I usually have pretty good luck with appliances, but I just, uh, it was within two days that all three of these stopped working, and the the ice maker was, uh, had to have a new pump, That's incredible. and the, uh, microwave had to have, uh, some kind of something I can't even pronounce, and they, uh,
the dryer had to have a new heating element, so it was about, almost three hundred dollars for all three of them. And they all went out at the same time? Uh, within two days of each other. Or two days. Wow. I was, it wasn't a good week. I was pretty mad. And plus the place that I'd bought them all had gone out of business, so even if I, I think even if I had, uh, had kept the warranty, the service agreements were with the companies that, that manufactured, but still they were through that retailer, so I don't know if I could have taken it to another retailer or not. Wow, it's frustrating. But I didn't have to worry about all that, because they weren't under warranty. So. It was a call to the local appliance dealer who came out and fixed them all, Uh-huh. but, I, the only other things that I've ever had trouble with, uh,
I seem to have a real bad trouble with electric hair dryers, blow dryers. Uh-huh, they go out a lot? Yeah, I've had two or three of those go out. One was under warranty, and the other two weren't, but, I just, other than that, you know, T V and things like that, I haven't ever had any trouble with. I don't think products are getting much better though. Yeah. See I'm in the manufacturing home from work and make, um, automotive air bags, the safety air bags. Oh, really? Yeah. That's interesting. At Morton International, and, I well, it's, it's changed a lot with the manufacturing environment.
We test everything after each assembly process, and so our testing is pretty thorough, but. Do you, do you test each individual one Um. or do you just test, like if you've got ten, you test one, and by the test results of the one you assume that the other nine are okay? Um, the tests that, well, we test every one electrically. We don't, I think they test four or five a day, actually exploding the air bags Uh-huh. and, but we do test after, during the assembly project, product, um, after we assemble each part of the inflator or what explodes the bag, we check to make sure it's there after we install it, so, each assembly process has an inspection right after it's done, and then we do electrical tests on them during the process, so. Well, that's something I've never had to use, it's never, I've never been involved in an automobile accident, so, luckily that's a product that I haven't had to test.
Yeah. But I think it's a great idea. I'm, I'm, seems like all the good logical ideas take forever to come about but that. Well, they do the, all the testing that we have to do through the government, it's incredible how much testing they have to do. Oh, I'm sure they want to be thorough before they. But, uh, even, you know, I don't mind spending the extra money on the car if, you know, even if they pass the savings, the cost onto the consumer, because it just seems like a real worthwhile thing. Uh-huh. I'm not a real big seat belt, my, uh, Well Jackie, uh, on taxes, I, I guess I would have to say, that I, that my opinion is that I do think Americans are paying too much in taxes. Uh, what's your feeling about that? I agree. I think taxes are high. Right, uh, where you live do you have a state income tax and a sales tax both? Oh, yes.
Uh-huh. Uh, uh-huh. In New Hampshire we have, uh, uh, no, no, what we call broad base taxes. No income tax and no sales tax. Huh. Uh, we tax business, uh, eight percent, businesses are taxed eight percent and we have what we call the five B s. Uh, for our taxes. Booze, uh, butts, cigarettes, beds, uh, hotel room tax bellies, a meal tax and bets, gambling. Uh-huh. Oh. So, uh, we do have a very low tax rate, but you know, combined with the federal income tax. I think that Americans generally do pay too much in taxes and . Right. Yeah, I, I agree and I, think it's about the time of the year when you just start getting, well if you do get money back from like jobs, I'm still a student so, uh, I only work part time, Uh-huh
so I, I get a check back so Well that's nice. from, from taxes but, Nice, nice to get a refund. Yeah It is, but it's not much. So. Uh-huh. Do you think that, uh, for whatever taxes we do pay that, uh, we are getting value for it? No. Yeah. Uh, my, my opinion of taxes is that we just send money to Washington or to the state and they say they are going to send some back, it's like giving yourself a it's like one arm giving the other a transfusion. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah.
Uh, it, it really, uh, I should say one arm giving another arm a transfusion through a leaky tube because, Right because, uh, there's an old saying in amongst taxes and politicians that there's a fly paper effect Yeah. There you go and that is that money tends to stick where it lands first and when you send it to Washington or send it to your state capitol, uh, a lot of it stays there and not that much comes back to you. Right, yeah. I don't know. I, don't seem like they are doing much with it, I mean there's plans there and now that they are voting and people, you know, getting into drug and that stuff. Uh-huh. They have nice plans and, uh, but, they don't always work and then you know they try to raise taxes more and I don't what happens with all the money because if their plans don't work, you know, but taxes get raise so. I don't know.
I'm not really into politics, uh That it, I don't really understand it Uh-huh. but it's just you know Well, it does it, it does seem that the more taxes that are raised the more the politicians spend. Uh, it's almost like they will spend as much as the, they're allowed to collect. You know. Right. Uh, there is an interesting proposal that's been going around now for a few years of having a flat tax. Uh, ten percent or thirteen percent. There would be no figuring. I mean you would take your income tax, you would have a certain amount, I mean you would take you total salary Uh-huh. those who made under a certain amount wouldn't owe any taxes, and then there would be a set amount for however many people, you know, dependent you have, and you would just pay a flat tax. No exemptions, no deductions or anything else after you know, after you figure up who's in your family. Right. Huh. And that would eliminate a lot of the bureaucracy in the I R S
and it would eliminate all these loop holes that the fat cats get away with. Yeah. The could be nice Yeah. Huh. I, I'd like to see something like that. I think it would be fairer and it would put a, you know, a lot of the tax attorneys our of business and I am sure they will fight it tooth and nail, but I really think a flat tax would be a lot fairer for all Americans. Right, yeah. I mean it doesn't seem right that somebody that makes twenty-five or thirty thousand dollars pays four or five thousand dollars in taxes while somebody that makes two hundred and fifty thousand dollars might pay nothing in taxes. Right, huh. It doesn't seem fair to me. Yeah, it isn't, there is not much out there that is fair, that's for sure.
Right. Huh. I will agree to that. I think your taxes in Wisconsin are pretty high. I, I, if I am not mistaken, aren't they? I mean for your state. Uh, What is, do you know what your state income tax rate is? Um, no Twenty percent? I, I have no idea, I just. My dad does it all for me Just, you just pay it, huh I use, You're like, you're like my daughter who is in college down in Massachusetts and, uh, she works as a waitress and she is attending college full time also Uh-huh. and she sends her taxes to me and I figure them up. She really has no idea.
She gets a refund check and, Okay. How do you keep up with current events? Um, well actually, usually, uh, in the mornings I am getting ready to either go to work, uh, usually catch the news in the morning. Yeah, what what channel do you watch or what station? Uh, N B C. That's the one I watch. I usually keep up with T V. I don't, I am a student so I really don't have much time to like read the newspapers and stuff Uh-huh. so I get a lot of stuff through the grapevine which is really isn't too great sometimes Yeah. Yeah, I usually tend to just, you know, rely on, you know, T V, uh, again, you know, just through the grapevine just, just to know like, you know like what today's stories are and I usually like go out an buy a newspaper if you know I'm interested in any particular one.
Yeah. The radio doesn't really have much news sometimes. The stations I listen to are just mainly music. Yeah, I think you pretty much have to listen to all news station to get any news at all. Yeah. Do you think that T V is, uh, pretty accurate. I mean sometimes do you think it gets pretty commercialized or, Well, what I really don't like about T V, especially local news as compared to like national news is just, uh, it seems, it seems like everything is very spoon feed and you know it's, it's more like the news shows is now is now you know an entertainment show like a sitcom or like the news, because they would always have like the wonderful investigative reports, you know, is your kid's bus driver smoking crack, on the way to school, you know? Yeah. Yeah, it's they mainly go with like popular topics just not like basic news. Uh-huh. Yeah. Also, also I have the observation of, uh, with the press is that, like any any stories that I had any first hand knowledge of that I see in the press, you know, which only happened like ten times in my life you know first thing you know for anything of you know or anything that actually had, had more than just a blurb about it. That the press has managed to just mess up some aspect of the story Huh. Yeah.
it's something wrong. Going, they're, looks like they're going more for ratings than for you know actual news. Uh-huh. I think, you know the probably the best source of just plain journalism would be newspapers Uh-huh. they typically have a better. I am from a small town too here in Texas and so that then like local news is really who grew the biggest tomato Uh-huh. and, Yeah, the farm report. Yeah, farm report and oil reports. That's pretty pretty sad or who killed who. Uh-huh. Also I have found that newspapers probably aren't as bad as television . Read the story and just found it so incredibly watered down and,
Yeah. Well, in, uh, in Dallas, I don't know if you heard about the killing where the guy drove into Luby's and the story was, uh, Was that like he started shooting people, people in this cafeteria or something? Yeah. And the news covered it right, you know, hours after it happened Uh-huh. and they were taping people who were crying who had everything Uh-huh. and then like three days later this, uh, local news station was using as as their promo to promote themselves. Uh-huh. I just thought that was really that's kind of cold, Oh yeah, I have seen that happen lots of times. You know, uh, Channel X gives you the best coverage you know we were on the scene with our team players and, Yeah and it was just, they were showing like these dead people
Uh-huh and they were showing people crying Uh-huh I mean just taking advantage of you know. Uh-huh. They are trying to get the, you know, most emotional response for, Yeah, it didn't seem like there was much coverage of the story, but just the play on people's emotions It's just gotten so, I mean, somewhere there's, it's lost a lot of the quality that they use to have like in Walter Cronkite that if you know Yeah and everything. Yeah, yeah. You know, I've pretty much stopped watching local news totally you know Yeah. uh, you know even the national news I just find it to be you know very watered down, Yeah. very,
What did you think of the coverage of the war? Uh, I I found it very one sided. Did you? Uh, you know, it, it just seemed to lack any sort of debate. Yeah. Uh, you know, not saying that we that we actually should have been there or shouldn't have been there, but it just seemed like, you know. They kept just showing, you know, how great we were doing and it never really showed what actually the damage that really happened that's Uh-huh. Uh-huh. a lot of times like the news coverage showed all the, you know, the guys who didn't get hurt coming home and all the big parties Uh-huh. and they kind of you know, if they were going to show that why didn't they show the guys who you know got really hurt and everything. Uh-huh. Yeah, and I really think that you know in the involvement that the press states, you know that the the military basically sets the press, Think about, uh, taxes. Well, I think they're a necessary evil.
Uh, I wish the government would operate on the same premise that, uh, businesses operate on and that is, uh you, you don't spend more than you, than you bring in. You spend what you have and, Yeah, I think that, the general idea is to you know, spend, uh, during a time of recession that, you know, for the deficit spending to help pick up the economy, but they're running under the you know, the way they're running it now, they're you know, running it under a deficit spending, you know, while we're not under a recession, so there's never any surplus coming in to counter the deficit that we're running, so that's kind of a basic thing of economics, I guess, keep spending, keep going into debt, you're not going to payoff what you owe, but, so, I guess the, the question was more like, uh, do you get what you pay you know, get what you pay for. Well, I, it just depends. Uh, uh, roads are very expensive, uh, commodity and so is, uh, utilities they supply and police and fire department, uh, you know, they need to make a living. Yeah. There's, So I think for, for, for many years, uh, we've paid teachers and police officers and firemen who are, uh, to a great extent, public servants uh, we have not paid them really what they're worth in what they contribute to society. Uh-huh.
I agree with that. But, uh, then again, uh, it's the, hard to justify with all the wastefulness of money that the government spends on all levels of, of, uh, government, including municipalities as well as state and federal governments. I guess, I'm, I'm a student right now and I don't make a whole lot of money and, so, I, I kind of don't pay a proportionate amount of taxes to, I guess, uh, compared to what I get, because I, you know, all my, my education is state sponsored. I go to a state sponsored school and, uh, my education all up through high school and stuff, so I guess I'm kind of in debt, I, I suppose, because I don't, you know, been paying taxes all that, all that long. My parents, I guess, however, have contributed to that, you know, for the education side of it and everything, but, uh, I usually end up getting money back. I will this year anyway from a, Uh, you're very fortunate. Yeah, I am I need it, too, otherwise, We just try not to pay any more in than we have to, uh, we pay in a substantial amount. Uh, Uh-huh.
We don't regret paying taxes. We do think that, uh, sometimes, uh, we have a reverse of a regressive tax, a progressive tax. Uh-huh. And progressive tax, I think, uh, does not give people incentive to make more money, and what I mean by that, the more income you make, the more tax you pay. More taxes you pay. It should be, I think, a flat percentage and, uh, that percentage ought to be an equitable amount. Uh-huh. Isn't, Uh, last year when they passed the tax laws for the, uh, nineteen ninety, ninety-one, whatever, nineteen ninety-one uh, I added up all the taxes that we were going to pay on all these different specific luxury items and travel expenses and everything else, Uh-huh. Uh-huh. and I totaled them all up and basically, uh, we were going to be paying seventy or eighty percent tax. Wow. Now, that was the assumption that you spent that same dollar for every, for every item on there even though there's, uh, taxes on different things. Uh-huh. Well isn't, But, you know, there's there's a lot of taxes you pay that you're not even aware of that you're paying, uh,
like when you buy a tire, you pay a federal excise tax. Uh-huh, there's a lot, yeah, lot of hidden taxes. You pay gasoline taxes every time you pump something into your, your tank. Uh-huh. The taxes that people don't think about that, yeah, the, the, the income tax is a lot more visible portion of the taxes you pay, I guess. But you probably pay more percentage wise in other taxes. Uh-huh. There was that, which was it Jerry Brown, one of the democratic candidates had a proposal for doing away with all the, the tax codes they have now and implementing a I think a flat percentage, something like that. Yeah if you implemented a flat percentage, it would encourage people, uh, to make more money and the, what people need to understand in my opinion, now this is just my opinion, okay, uh, is that businesses create jobs and jobs create income and income pays taxes. Uh-huh. And, so, if they penalize businesses, business people are smart enough to say, here's my break point, I'm not going to work any harder and make any more or create any more jobs. Right.
Exactly. That's, because until, like eight, And so, Based on that, who do you think you're talking to, you're talking to an employer. Up until, like, eighty-five or something was the, Well, actually, uh, I, I don't think I'm in the, uh, majority of, in, in Texas I don't think I agree with, Oh really. No. You don't believe in it? Uh, I wouldn't say that. I think I would have said that a few years ago. When I was younger I thought it was, uh, a sign of a civilized society if you didn't have, uh, capital punishment but, um, uh, maybe slowly changing my opinion. Yeah. I'm not thoroughly opposed to it. I still think it's sort of true that a more civilized society wouldn't have to use capital punishment but I'm beginning to believe this is less civilized society than I thought
You sound a lot like a friend of mine. A a girl I hang out with. Uh-huh. She has very, very black and white opinions, you know. There's no gray in her opinions, you know. She, she probably would agree more with you but, but I don't know. I think I would rather a person go ahead and be put down than give them the opportunity to get out and do it again. I've never had a, a punishment or a, a crime like a murder touch my immediate family Uh-huh. but I still feel very strongly that capital punishment is a good way to, to punish, especially criminals who seem to have absolutely no remorse for what they've done. Yeah. And we see that more and more. Like in our state right now, there's a fourteen year old boy who raped and then killed a seven year old girl Uh-huh. you know, that's fourteen years old. What's he going to be doing when he turns into an adult. Yeah. I certainly don't, uh, advocate turning people like that loose. Yeah. I'm not sure executing them, uh, does anymore than keeping them in jail,
but, uh, No it doesn't but, it costs less. Yeah. That, that's a factor. And, yeah, to me it is. I mean, I work and I pay my taxes and I lived out in Texas for a little while and they're and that's a pretty heavy state compared to Georgia I mean you guys are, are a lot more, uh, for to each his own even than we are in Georgia. Right. But even in Georgia that's the attitude for the most part. If I work and pay my dues you work and pay your dues and we'd get along just fine. Uh-huh. Yeah. But when I've got to work to pay my dues and your dues then I don't like you very much anymore. Yeah.
Yeah. Well, I, the cost is something but it's, but I think it's relatively unimportant compared to what's the most effective way of, dealing with crime and I guess I would like, I don't know, the European countries certainly, uh, none of them have capital punishment and they they don't have a crime problem either. Oh, really. No, you can't, they don't execute anybody in Britain or France and I don't believe they do in Germany or Italy either and they don't have the crime problems we do. I don't really think that there is too much of a relationship between the two. Yeah. I guess what worries me about capital punishment is, uh, when I see people enthusiastic about it and, uh, uh, sort of bloodthirsty. I think it brings out the worst in the, in the people who do the punishing and the, that, that bothers me. You might be right. But it,
but, uh, I mean I, I'd hate to be the person to pull the switch, you know, I would never in a million years want that job Huh. but I do believe it's necessary and I, Yeah. On the one hand I, I guess I admire the person who has the guts to do it because I couldn't I couldn't stand behind a gun and shoot somebody for nothing Huh. and I couldn't pull the switch but, uh, Well actually I, the other thing that bothers me is when it becomes a political issue because I don't really think it, uh, I don't really think it's a very important aspect of fighting crime or law and order or anything else. I think it just becomes a, uh, symbolic I'm tougher than you are type of emotional issue for politicians so Yeah. I would like for it to be settled once for all and, uh, get in the background while the more important issues get discussed, uh, uh, Right. Like I said, some years ago, I think I would have said there's no place for capital punishment in the, civilized western country. Uh-huh.
Now I'm, I'm not so sure of that. I'm, I, I wouldn't vote against somebody just because it was for capital punishment and nor the other way around. What what's making you become more convinced that it might be a good way of punishing Uh, I guess I'm, I'm, my view of uh, my, I'm beginning to believe that some people are simply not rehabilitatable and, uh, that, uh, uh, costs and other factors justify, uh, uh, executing people. Yeah. Maybe it's more a symbolic gesture that, uh, uh, than anything else and, uh, I've also never been a victim although I have some, I have two friends whose wives were murdered and, uh I can imagine that, uh, uh, for some people it would be the only form of justice in that case. Oh, gosh Oh yes, if it ever touched my I don't know what you drive now. I mean, what do you drive now? Uh, I have a Ford pickup and, uh, the family car is a, uh, a Dodge Caravan. And, uh, because we have three kids and they're under thirteen Oh, okay. so, uh
Throw them in the back. they sort of fit our requirement. Yeah, I have a, one of those, uh, pickups with the, uh, seat with a seat in the back. Cab. Oh, yeah? And so they just fit in there. When they get to be teenagers with long legs, it may not work. Yeah Right now, I can, right now, I can throw them all in the back when we have room and, uh and since I do a lot of projects, I throw things in the back There you go. and I kind of like having a pickup truck. Yeah, Actually, I think of it as a as a car that'll last Right, yeah, I know. I like the way trucks are built and I don't care about comfort.
So, I'm pretty happy. Yeah, you're looking at, I got a Toyota Four Runner. I wanted a truck that I, I wanted something that I could throw people in the back too, so I got a Four Runner. So I wouldn't hesitate to get another one. I, I never buy new so I wouldn't hesitate to get another used truck. You're just like me. I've never bought a new vehicle in my life. And, uh, yeah, I don't, I don't need to pay for the glitz. I'll let somebody else, uh, have the showroom shine No. and I'll pay for the rest of it. Let somebody else break it in, right Right. And, uh, the van we're
we might go again on a, on a van. We, we could probably do with a, a, something just a little bit larger than a compact in a sedan next time. I'm not sure. Yeah. We have to, we, we'll have to face it in a couple of years but, uh, I, I guess, we had a small Toyota wagon Right. and we were real happy with that because, uh, my, my second requirement after price is, uh, low maintenance. Right. And, uh, it certainly had that. We didn't do much to it at all. Yeah. So. Yeah, my, my, pretty much the same. I, I got a, like I say I got one of those Toyota Four Runners Uh-huh. and, uh, it pretty much does everything I need it to. I mean, it, it'll tow three thousand pounds
so I can tow everything and it, I can throw, I've had eleven people in it before Believe it or not. Uh-huh. And, uh, it's real reliable, I, I mean I've had it for almost four years now and up until, oh, say two weeks ago, it had never had anything wrong with it. Uh-huh. And then, of course, two weeks ago, it decided, I don't know, it's the strangest, weirdest thing in the world, but it blew a head gasket. Uh-oh. Didn't do any damage to it. Uh, I caught it real early. How, at how at how many miles? Uh, oh ninety-seven thousand. Huh.
So it's not real early You didn't overheat it? No. Never overheated it. I smell, I smelled the, uh, I smelled the coolant Uh-huh. Went out and looked. Saw it was, saw where it was coming from. Drove it right to the shop and left it off. Huh. Well that was, , And that was it because I, I have that and then I have a, a Kawasaki motorcycle. Which is, actually, the, usually my preferred mode of transportation if I can take it and it's not raining. Uh-huh. Yeah. I mean that's, that's sort of my, hobby though more than a vehicle. It, it's a I don't know, people who buy motorcycles for transportation I think are kidding themselves
I have one colleague that, uh, commutes to work on one when it's not raining and, uh, uh, he's a, it's, he's pretty conservative guy. I don't think it's much of a sport for him. I guess, uh, I know but I bet you he really enjoys riding it. I'm sure he does, yeah. Yeah. So, you know, when was the last time you took out, took your truck out just to, just to go driving? Yeah. No And I go out twice a week on the bike, so. At least. Just for the enjoyment. Yeah. Uh . Yeah But, yeah, I, I mean, the only thing I think I might get, a new car or, not necessarily a new car but, a, another car,
uh, I would consider going to a, a non, to a normal pickup rather than a, a covered pickup like the one I've got. Just because there's a lot of times I wished I had, just an open bed to throw stuff in. Right. I'm sure, I'm sure that that's very, I mean you got one. It's, that's really convenient to be able to throw that sort of stuff in the back and, If I only had some place that I could store the, uh, camper top, I would have it off most of the time. Right. I really leave it on there just for, just to have it out of the way because you put it on the ground it gets dirty. To have it out of the way. Right. But, uh, they're solid. Uh, trucks are built, uh, I mean, I think they last a lot longer than anything else. They're the only things Americans still know how to build and, uh Yeah, yeah, the trucks do. Uh, even though, you know, the Jap, the little Jap trucks are, are good there too.
But so are the, though I think the Chevies, I don't think the I don't like the Chevies as much as I like the Fords. Yeah. I think they, I think the Fords tend to last a little longer. At least until recently Right. I I kind of like mine, yeah, so, mine's a Ford A friend of mine just bought , bought like a year ago. It, it's a really nice truck. I mean, I don't like Dodges at all but one of the Dodges they have out now has a, uh, the Cummins turbo diesel on it. Oh, I heard about that, yes. Oh, it's beautiful. Yeah. That thing, that thing will last forever I mean , That, that's a serious truck. Oh, yeah,
that thing's, uh, it's got a boat engine in it Right, this, uh, I, I know a contractor who just got one of those. Uh-huh. He's pleased with it. Well I haven't had an awful lot of, uh, incidents regarding child care. When my two year old was in New Orleans, she got bit on the cheek and, uh, but, uh, that's about the, the, uh, the extent of it. But, but, but when, I really am, am concerned about is that, uh, so many of these child care places are, are coming under, uh, uh, you know, investigation for, for, uh, you know, child molestation. Uh-huh. And I, and I, and I'm saying to myself, well, you know, you dump your, your, your little turnip off to, uh, you know, this child care place and they don't pay very much and why, why would they be interested in, in your little turnip unless, you know, one of the motivations in the hidden agenda is well that's somebody to molest, you know. Uh-huh. And, uh, that's a terrible kind of thing and I don't think my children have ever been subject to that but my wife didn't work
and so we really didn't have that much exposure to it. Uh-huh. Well I am a working mother I have three children and my children, since I, uh, since they were very young, I've had various, um, different alternatives, child care arrangements and like most working mothers I'm really not defensive about it. I personally feel, uh, in our particular situation, I'm a much better mother when I work out of the home and my kids, I think, are very, very secure, well raised children. My comment on this is that we paid an absolute fortune over the years for a variety of opportunities. Huh. So I, I, I, you know, it is a problem. And, but as you pointed out, I, I think the real problem is the low pay child facilities and that is sometimes what some women who have to work, that is all they can afford. When our children were very young, we had a pay, a live in paid baby-sitter that was wonderful. Huh. And then as they got older, they went to, uh, I preferred to call them schools and they were really all day preschools and they were wonderful.
And I think they got exposed to a lot of neat things. Oh, well that's interesting. But we did, we really truly did pay a fortune. I mean we were paying at one point, well about, about a, close, about five hundred dollars a week for two children. Oh, my God. So. Well you must have a, just one hero ace professional job to support something like that. Well, I I'm a physician. Uh and, as is my husband. Oh, well, yeah And, and I felt, uh, very good about working. I'm a pediatrician actually. Uh-huh. So, uh, but I think there are some wonderful child care opportunities out there for children but, and we all know the kind of things that you're supposed to look for. I think, Well, not, not all of us. You know what the kind of things you're supposed to look for. I'm an engineer. Oh. Well And,
I think it's real important that you have a place that, first of all parents have a lot of input into and that they're always welcome and that they have a lot of activities where parents come in during the day and that at any time you can drop in. And we had a really wonderful arrangement, uh, I'm with the university actually Uh-huh. and they had a wonderful, uh, program that started at age three and it was about a block away from the hospital where I work. And so, many times, at lunchtime, I would go over and visit the children and eat with them and see what they were doing. And they had wonderful, they had things like gardens and lots of pets and just, they had a four to one uh, teacher student ratio. Yeah. So that, that sort of an, most of the teachers had degrees. Uh, Five hundred dollars a week. For two kids. Yeah. That's incredible. It was incredible actually Oh, oh. But it was good. I mean it was, it,
at that time there were two children and they were in special programs and each one was a little over two hundred a week and then, in addition, I paid a little bit extra. But the kids were, Well. I mean they really had some great opportunities. But, what you were alluding to earlier is, you know, women who work for minimal wage and, and really have feel they have to put their children, Yeah. sometimes they do put them in, uh, fairly low paying situations. You know, they could, somebody will have a job at three hundred a week to get off welfare and you know, that's a good starting wage Uh-huh. but boy three hundred dollars a week doesn't go very far on child care. Uh-huh. No, even that, that really, I think, I don't,
it's been awhile since I've looked at, my youngest child is eight. So it's been a little while since I've looked into, actually daycare centers. But they are Huh. you know, the good ones do cost maybe sixty dollars a week since . I mean we used to pay, pay fifty cents an hour to baby-sit. But mine are twenty-two, twenty-three and twenty-seven so you know, that, Uh-huh. I guess baby-sitters now are up at, what, five dollars an hour? Something like that. Oh my. Well, you know, but you made the comment earlier, why would someone be interested in children. I mean it has been a real, uh, there have been some good entrepreneurial type experiences. And I think, I think they have captured a certain market. Again the, but then there are baby-sitting groups. As a pediatrician, one of the things we've been real concerned about is the infections.
Uh-huh. As you start putting lots of little kids together, the infection rates that go around Oh, yeah. Hi, Cynthia. What did you wear to work today? Um, let's see. What did I wear to work today? Um, actually I wore corduroy shorts with a white blouse, um, and flat shoes. So, can you dress pretty casually? Um, on occasion. On occasion. Yeah. Um, I do vary. Um, you know, I wear suits, I wear skirts and sweaters. On occasion I can wear jeans. Um, how about you? Well, I, um, run a business out of my home. Uh-huh. So I tend to get up in the morning, put on, sweats, um, do whatever I want to do with the kids, then whenever I have a meeting with a client, I'll put a suit on. And then come home and get back into regular clothes again Yes.
Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Um, you know, there's real no, no real dress code where I work. Um, you see people wearing, you know, all different attire. I, um, don't like to wear heels, that really tires me out. I work in a big building. Yeah. So, I predominantly wear flat shoes. Um, you know, in the winter I wear sweaters, in summer I, you know, I like one piece dresses, short sleeves, things like that. I've recently, um, tried to update my wardrobe, trying to put suits together that I can interchange, the, jackets and the blouses and all that a lot. Right. Right. That's helped me a lot with having, I can only have a, a limited wardrobe, since I'm only, working part-time right now. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Um, but still, it gives it some variety. Add different blouses and scarves and belts and things like that. Uh-huh.
Right, right, accessories, uh-huh. What about your casual wear? Do you like to wear jeans most of the time? Um, yeah mostly. I mean, at home I predominantly wear laughs while saying remainder of sweatpants and things like that, also. Yeah. It's nice you can wear shorts, especially on a day like today when it's so hot. Yeah, well, they're, um, you know, they're like Dress shorts. yeah, they're like black corduroy Bermuda shorts. Yeah. And sometimes I wear a blazer with them, and I get really a lot of compliments on them. Um, where I work is predominantly male.
Yeah. So, you know, they, their attire is always the same, you know. Suits or slacks, you know, jeans, whatever. Yeah, but , And, um, but I'm really the only woman, I guess, at work that does that, but seems to work for me Yeah, but . In fact, I just bought, I, I just got a new outfit as a gift that, um, it's one of those skorts, you know, it's shorts but it looks like a skirt. Uh-huh. So, I think that'll be good for work, too. Oh, yeah. It'll be comfortable. Yeah. Yeah. So,
I guess down here, uh, we just recently moved to Texas, so my wardrobe has changed quite a bit. Uh-huh. Um, we moved from Colorado where, and I have a closet full of sweaters. Uh-huh. That, Well, see, I live in Virginia. You live in Virginia, now? Uh-huh. Oh, that's interesting. Yeah. Yeah. So, I'm, you know, like right now, today was in about, you know, the fifties. Uh-huh. But, um, you know, I, I do wear a lot of sweaters and things like sweater dresses. Yeah. I'd like to be able to wear those here.
Today it's eighty-eight degrees. Oh, my So Uh-huh. Needless to say, my sweaters have been hung in the closet for quite a while now Uh-huh. Today was, uh, definitely a shorts day around here. Uh-huh. Yeah, we're still pretty much, you know, in winter, as far as that goes here. This is pretty unseasonal, but, uh, at least, we, you know, it, it, it feels good, it gets, uh, everybody doesn't have cabin fever today. It's nice to get, out and about. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. I guess we've discussed everything there is about clothing Okay.
Sounds good. Okay? It was nice talking to you. Okay, it was nice talking to you, also. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. Hi. Hi, um, okay what, now, uh, what particularly, particularly what kind of music do you like? Well, I mostly listen to popular music. I, uh, listen to it all the time in, in my car, so, I, I tend to be one of those people who switches stations a lot because I don't like commercials. But, uh, I find myself listening to popular music, Yeah. and, uh, quite honestly, I, I have some little children and I, unfortunately, found myself listening to a lot of nursery rhyme music here lately, but that's not by my choice. Oh, really.

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