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and you can't, the American government you can't trust them either, because you think, you don't know how corrupt they are. I mean they keep people in power like the Shah of Iran and, things like that, Uh-huh. I mean, it's the lesser of two evils, they will probably say this is the lesser of two evils. Yeah. But I don't know how corrupt the Honduran government is. But the, Yeah, they need to have more checks and balances in their government to get rid of the corruption. But I think first though, I don't know, they need to, I think they need the repentance on the leadership of the different nations for all their, uh, you know the atrocities that they commit and the drug dealings, and in the, just in the drug crimes, because I feel like a lot of the leadership in those nations are so engrossed in the drug crimes that until they repent or they are moved from power, that you know, because there are so many of them that the next one to come up, if you just knock one off and then have another one, and I know a lot of those nations, there's, uh, Brazil, I know, is like forty percent evangelical Christian. Not just go to church but, you know, really on fire for God, and they are just surpassing America, Latin America by the drugs. You know, it's just incomprehensible, and, uh, so I just think that, I think that God is going to honor that and that he is going to put in some good leadership, and I know, the president of, I believe Costa Rica is a Christian. And he goes to, no Guatemala, because he goes to virgo church in Guatemala City. The church is in real close relationship with him.
And he is a former president of Guatemala. He's an elder at virgo church and, you know that, that God is doing something and he is raising up some leaders and the people want him back as president bad, but they have a rule in Guatemala that he can't have another term and so the, the people are trying to override that, I mean not just the Christians, but all the people because they see when a righteous man is in authority, the people rejoice. Yeah, good. See, that's the thing, that it's going, have to, Yeah. that's the undoing of everything, and it's the, we have no morals, when we, talk about the crime and all that in the city, it's just the kids have no morals. Right. That's the thing that will eventually, you know, if anyone is going to be saved. Uh-huh.
It is having a good moral background. And it's funny you mention Costa Rica, because they are just, they are one of the most successful and peaceful countries, in Central America. Uh-huh, yeah. So, I was reading an article in the, uh, National Geographic and, I don't know, I don't think they have any more money than any of the other countries, Uh-huh. they don't have oil or anything, and they don't have big tourism. So maybe it is their faith that enables them to keep the crime out. Uh-huh. I know that Costa Rica, they don't allow anybody to come that, uh, to come any, uh, what do you call, what do you call immigrants? They don't allow anything like that like I could not go to Costa Rica and live as an American citizen. They would not permit me to live there to work. They wouldn't. Their jobs are there for Costa Ricans. They don't allow people to move in, like less nations, you know, They don't, they don't probably take a lot of refugees from other countries either.
take the job. No they don't take any. I mean I couldn't even go there. My husband had to receive all this special permission to go, so even with, uh, you know, in, uh, inner company, you know, transfer, or something, and I have another friend in, uh, Costa Rica that, she was born there. She's Costa Rican. I guess I do know a little bit. I went to Mexico City one time and stayed. I have been there twice and stayed and, that, aw, that was just really sad. But, a lot of it though is their debt. I think that we should not loan them anymore money, that if we still want to give them money, give them money, quit loaning it to them. You're not going to get it back. Don't be indebted to anybody. Don't be the loaner or borrower. It's just not good.
We need to, if we feel like we need to give them money then give it to them, but quit loaning all the money out. Which I don't think we are loaning anymore now, but that's how we got into a problem. If we got, the, we have, we went in the hole by us loaning them all of these billions of dollars. That's common sense, you could just look at it and say they're not going to be able to pay us back. Yeah also, uh, uh, Mexico, uh, we will loan the money in uh, a lot of the higher, the higher people, were just stealing it and, building these beautiful homes, and nice ranches and things. Uh-huh. Right. Uh-huh. So we are, we're suckers. Yeah, we, we are, it's like we are partly responsible for their problems by loaning them all that money, that was really stupid on our part to even loan it to them. You don't loan money to people like that. I mean if you feel like you need to give them something to help them out, fine,
but you don't go making billions of dollars of loans in, to people that you can just look at the situation, They know they're not going to pay it back. Yeah, and know that they are going to be capable of paying us back, and that puts a bondage on them. It makes, you know, pressure on the nation, and on the people, and on the leadership, and makes their inflation go up, and it's just a big mess. Did you go to Mexico City, uh, anywhere near when the earthquake hit. No, but I knew people, I was there before that, but I knew people, I got a letter from a friend of mine that I had met there, that who, who the apartment building was destroyed and they were living in a tent, so it's kind of weird, you know. To these people who were on U S dive, the Mexican diving, we went to the pool together, and watched them dive and all this, so they were you know, just normal people, weren't squatters or poor people or anything that, uh, I did, I knew all of my friends there, but none of them that I know of, got killed in it. But, uh, they're all Christians though.
God really protected them. See that broke out a revival in Mexico City. That C B S news and A B C never told you about. There's been a real revival in Mexico City since that earthquake, because there's a lot of, you know there's a lot of sin in those nations and a lot, lots of witchcraft, a lot of witchcraft. A whole lot of witchcraft. So, a lot of it in the name of Christianity. Oh, I can imagine. Oh, really. Oh, yeah. There's a lot, you know they call themselves Christians, but you know they are over there doing witchcraft and stuff, and just a whole lot of the generational things too, like the Mayans and the Incas. You can't find a trace of them because God totally destroyed them for how wicked they were. And yet, they are revered and honored and almost worshiped by so many people, even now in America, you know, we wouldn't know the truth with all of Indian groups that were totally removed from the face of the earth, because of how wicked they were. I've been down to the pyramids and I have climbed to the top of the pyramid where they used to take a beating heart out of a young thirteen year old boy, and they hold it up to the sun God, and that's pretty of heavy duty. Yeah, is, is there still blood stains on the altar or has it worn away through the years?
I don't think so. The little box is black on the top of the pyramid in the sun. It's black, so yeah, you can't really tell, but it was kind of weird, you know, you think, wow there is where they did sacrifices to false Gods. Do you get spooked, you feel, or do you get butterflies in your stomach when you go there? Because, Uh, at that time, I kind of did. It really impressed me, just you know, feeling but I wasn't a Christian when I went there, but, uh, I think that a lot of those, those you know, generational things I think, that God sees I'm praying, you know, that keeps the Christians that are beginning to rise up there to be able to pray, because that does affect that things, you know, in your background. Hi, Maureen. How are you? All right.
Well do you have a family budget? No, we probably should, but we haven't. So why don't you explain to me some good tips about what you've done, which you've found useful and workable. Okay. We do a few things, and I have to say we're, my husband and I are both from financial backgrounds. I, I'm an accountant. Uh-huh. And, uh, he has an M B A, so, uh, we were sort of, you know, keyed in on expenses and things like that. So Um, okay. Um, coming from that background, what we pretty much do is we, in our household, as far as living expenses, we live on a cash budget. Every month, my husband, uh, goes to the credit union and withdraws, you know, X amount of dollars for the month, and then that money is used during that month. We have a certain budget. Uh-huh. Excuse me. For instance, I control all the household expenses, the groceries, uh, the haircuts, the gasoline for my car, any miscellaneous expenses, baby-sitting, things like that.
Uh-huh. And, uh, excuse me, if, uh, it comes the end of the month and I don't have any money, uh, we don't buy any more milk Uh-huh But, uh, we've gotten pretty good at it, we've been doing it a couple of years now. Uh-huh. So, we, our budgets are realistic and they are not so stringent and, you know to make us feel uncomfortable. Hm. And I, I really try to stretch my, my dollars here and there, shopping, uh, at warehouses sometimes, like at Sam's and things like that. Uh-huh. But, uh, we live, we live on, on a cash budget and it, sometimes it's tight come the end of the month, but generally, we always make it. What do you do for the surprise things that you don't necessarily plan for, the, you know are sometimes several hundred dollars, like, uh, tires for the car or car repair of some sort, or, like a, a dental bill or something that you're not prepared for? Right. Well, uh, most of our medical things, we don't, uh, have to worry about, because of insurance and they're, they're relatively small. Uh, we've been lucky.
In the past we didn't have that problem but right now we don't. For the other things, the things that crop up, that we aren't really expecting, we have different funds set aside for different things. Like we have a car fund and we put a certain amount of money into that every single month whether we need to or not. Oh. So, I mean, and I, I can't really remember what it is. Do you kind of continue, call this like, a part of savings account or a different savings account or, It's all part of the savings account. We just keep track of it on paper. Uh, you know a certain amount goes straight to the savings account. We decide, okay, you know, let's say it's a hundred dollars. You know, every month fifteen dollars is for car fund. You know, Oh. Ten dollars is for vacation fund whatever. Uh, and we just, we constantly do that, so that there's a buildup of money for those things if something does come up. Like I know that my washing machine is going to go any day. Oh, okay.
So, but, we have the money set aside, so if it does it's not going to kill us. Hm. Uh, so we're, we're actually, we're pretty disciplined, so it makes those surprises not so difficult to get through. Okay, then, so like your pay, what kind of a percentage do you basically keep out that you think that, you know, will cover all of the expenses, kind of thing? Well, in. Or like what, what percent, do you then save or something? Uh, we have a lot of different things. Right now, we save about twenty-five percent of our, of our pay. Hm, okay. It, and it goes toward different things, it's for, you know, for vacations like I said, for, you know, emergencies like for car, uh, breaks down, something like that. Uh-huh. Uh, and we also put money aside for our kids college. Uh-huh. Neither of us had any help with our college degrees, and just this last month we paid off my final school loan. So
Oh. We're starting our kids a little bit early. Okay. Do you, uh, use a lot of credit cards or your checking account when you go out and buy things? Checking account a lot, uh, not so much credit cards. Sure. and so pretty much now, uh, we don't use them too much. If we travel or something, yeah. But, you know. Standard, we usually don't. Uh-huh. Or if it, it is a purchase, uh, then it's paid off when the bill comes. You know, so it isn't any extended, uh, it may be that I picked up something at the store, but then when the bill comes we always pay it off then, so it's not any, you know, uh, build up on the charge cards at all. That's good. And, but that hasn't always been the case So, I'm kind of, I feel at least better now that I have finally gotten some of those things, uh, you know, in the past, and I don't have, you know, big cumulative amounts due to those charge cards, because that interest rate just is a killer. Oh, and it's not deductible anymore.
Yeah, well, I've never been in the situation of itemizing anyhow. But, uh, pretty much when I always, I go to the grocery store or something I just always write checks. Yeah. We did, we did that for a long time and it got to the point where we had no idea how much we were spending on things. Hm. And it seemed like we didn't have enough money when things cropped up, you know, Uh-huh. so we decided to put ourselves on a cash budget. Well the first time we did it, we just took some arbitrary amount that we estimated it would be, Uh-huh. and then we kept track of everything for a month. You know, how much we spent on food, how much we spent on gasoline, how much we spent on everything, and from that built, you know, a cash budget. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. So now, I mean, I have, I don't remember what it is now, four hundred dollars for the month, let's say. Uh-huh. And, uh, I mean some months I may spend three hundred on groceries and a hundred on everything else, and some months it may be different.
Uh-huh. It's not as though we feel like we have to keep ourselves, you know, down to the dollar or the penny in certain categories kind of thing, but the way we set up, you know the amount that we want to save and the amounts that we have to spend for, you know, uh, utilities and, uh, the house payment and all that. Yeah. those are things you don't really have much control over. Uh-huh. Uh, the cash budget just fits right in there like I said if we don't have, we also set aside money for entertainment. I mean, but again it's a set amount every month. And, uh, on special occasions, I mean birthdays and things like that. Uh-huh. We, we don't, we still have fun on things Yeah. Uh, we are in the process of trying to buy a house, do you know, how did your budget work or did you have a budget to, uh, get your down payment going to get a house? Well, no not originally, because when we, we did buy, when we bought our first house, it was at a time where you and the kind of loan we got, you really didn't have to put down anything. Huh. So, we got into it fairly cheaply,
and then, uh, after we sold the first house, we were left with enough cash that there was enough to make the down payment on this house. Oh, okay. So, we, we got out of that one pretty easily Okay, uh, yeah, I just keep thinking all the time I mean, it, it's really rough to keep yourself on a strict budget for a long long time when your, you know, your priority, at least mine is to save for the house. But then it's awful hard to really scrimp for a long, long time and keep putting all the money into that down payment. You feel like you want to live a little bit in the meantime. Sure, I know. That's how I feel sometimes about my kids' education, I mean jeez, they are one and four We have got a long time to save, my husband, he's the real, he's the real disciplinarian when it comes to that money usually. Uh-huh. Oh, no, no Well, I know, but there are times when I sit there and I think, wow, you know we make X amount of money and where is it.
I mean you look around and you go, where is it, What do you do with it, I know. you, you haven't made, uh, big purchases and that's the easier thing to see, if you can see a big purchase and you go okay, well this is the year that we bought the couch or the T V, or something like that. Uh-huh, But, all those, just monthly payments and stuff that just go out the door and there's big chunks of your money to pay like the utilities and the gas and the groceries, and stuff. That you don't have tangible, I mean the perishable kind of things that's gone, used and gone. Yeah, it's, it's amazing how much we spend on some things. My husband cut himself down to ten dollars a week for his lunch at work. Oh. And that's all he has, he has a ten dollar bill. Huh. And, I mean, so I'd say at least, two usually three times a week he takes his lunch. Uh-huh.
The other times, he'll, uh, I don't know go out somewhere, eat in a cafeteria or whatever. Uh-huh. But, but he keeps himself on that, I mean, he found it's, it's so easy to spend five dollars a day on lunch. Uh-huh. That's a hundred dollars a month on lunch. Uh-huh. That's, that's twelve hundred dollars a year just on lunch. Yeah. When he can take a sandwich, you know. Well, how about you, are you an exercise fanatic? No. Me either I'm definitely I do like to walk. Do you? Yes. Since T I has, uh, uh, instituted that, um, walkabout, I have gone out and started walking even more, bought me the, you know, the proper shoes and everything to get started, and, uh, park out there, you know, way out there in the boondocks. Yeah. Wonderful. Uh-huh.
It was so funny the other day, I took some guys to, to lunch and when we came back they said "Oh, there's a parking space real close," and I parked way out in the boonies, Way. *what is this? and I said "you can walk off your lunch." That's the way to do it. Yeah. I'm kind of like you, I've never really gotten into it, it's just a, it's just a chore, you know, Um, um. Oh. and I finally decided one semester, I'm in college and I'm taking night classes and I still don't have any of my P E classes, and so one semester I thought, okay, that's what I'm going to do and that will get me where I'll have to do it, you know, Uh-huh. and they were offering a, a walking class, where you, you know, you have to walk, you know, that like for every mile you walk and every so many minutes, you get, you get points, you know, Um, um. Um, um. and then you have to go in once a week and log your points so it's not like you can do the class like anytime you want, you know, and, at the end of the semester you go back in and your, like your final exam is a three mile walk.
Oh. And if you walk it in this many minutes, you get an A, this many minutes you get a B, Uh-huh. and, I thought, oh, this will be an easy class. and, you know, and I did it, and I did it for a long time like about the middle of the semester I ended up having to have surgery on my foot, Oh, no. and this has been a couple of years ago, Uh-huh. and, you know, I had, I did that, and I just ended up having to drop the class. Oh. you know, by the time the final came around, I wasn't even where I could wear a shoe yet, let alone walk three miles, you know. Oh, no. Yeah. But, that was the only time I have ever been able to like start an exercise program and really stick to it, because then I had to, I had to go every week and log in what I had walked, Um, um. Right. and, my teacher looked at it every week, you know. Uh-huh.
But, other than that I just, you know, I kind of get in the mood every once in awhile, say, okay, I'm going to start going to aerobics now, you know, Uh-huh. There you go. and, I'll go for like two weeks and go, this is for the birds, this is too much work. Well, you know, I have noticed too that, uh, when I started the exercise, uh, not the exercise but the walking program, uh, that I did tone up, you know, like all over, Uh-huh. but it didn't get the upper part of my body, Uh-huh. and, uh, so, what I do, is I bowl. I am a fanatic when it comes to bowling, and I used to bowl five times a week, Wow. so, I really loved it, Yeah. and I still bowl at least once a week now, on a league, on, on a, and I'm bowling on the T I league. Uh-huh. Um, but I've noticed that what I do is that I have my towel that sits on the floor, so that every time I get up to bowl, I have to bend over to pick up my towel and that way I get the little extra exercise. Uh-huh.
I'm always explaining to people, I do little things like that, like, you know, take the stairs instead of the, um, the elevator, Yeah. and, I do silly things like that versus a, a regular program that you would have. But that's, you're amazed at how much that adds up. It sure does. I was on, uh, Nutri Systems for a while, Uh-huh. and, that is one of the things that they really stressed doing, you know, when you come to your Nutri System meeting, don't park in the parking place outside the front door, park at the other end, you know, Yeah Right. I mean, and they stretched, stressed things like that too. You know, during, when you're sitting watching T V at night, during every commercial get up off the couch, go to the living room and get a glass of water, go to the bedroom and make the bed, go do something, but get up during every commercial. And, things like that. Uh-huh. There you go. And, you'd be surprised at how much just that little bit adds up, you know, just gives you a little more activity so, That's true. especially when you're like us and don't really want to do it anyway.
No, I used to, I really did, uh, years ago and, uh, I was thinking about that not too long ago that I used to walk and not only did I walk but, I used to watch all those exercise programs on T V, and I would tape them, Yeah. and then I would do them like two times a day, but I don't do any of that kind of stuff anymore. I think having children everything just kind of, everything goes by the wayside. Well, I can't use that as an excuse because I didn't do it before I had mine either. I've never been, I just, I'm more into, you know, sitting, than I am Yeah, yeah. Me too. so, but, you know, I have found that with, I have a two year old,
Uh-huh. and I have found really though, I'm kind of the opposite, I'm more active now with him, than I was before, because now, you know, he'll "I want to go outside" and I'll go outside with him Yeah. and we'll walk up and down the street, and we'll go to the park and I'll run around with him and stuff like that, that, so I'm getting more, you know, more exercise that way than I ever did before I had him, you know. Um, um. Um, um. so, I think, I think that has helped a little bit, I don't know. Yeah, yeah, Just chasing him around the house, you know, will be plenty for you. that's enough. Well, mine are older now, doing, uh, their own things so, Right, right. You've kind of gotten out of that little stage there.
Oh, yes. Yes, I have a thirteen year old and an eleven year old, so. Oh, lucky you, Yes. you're getting into even more interesting stages. Yeah, yeah. We're actually going through the same stages the two year old and the teenager Uh-huh, yeah, yeah Yeah, you watch it'll be exactly the same Same thing, huh, it repeats, the terrible twos repeat at about thirteen It does, it, it absolutely does, so. How interesting, I can hardly wait
Yeah, I, I, I know, I just know you can't. But, no, I don't get as much exercise as I used to but, I at least, since T I has implemented that program, I do, I'm more aware of it, Yeah. and, you know, that I'm need to do this, that and the other and, uh, so, I try to do combinations of things but not, like go down to the President's Health Club, like I see all these people do. Right. That, that walkabout's a good program. It is, it is. It really is, you know, when they first started it, I, I got all the information, of course, but just like everything else, I was real gung ho with a friend of mine, "Oh, we're going to do this, we're going to do this," and we did do it for a long time, Yeah. and then I started school, you know,
Um, um. and like two nights a week I was going to school and then the other two nights a week my husband worked, so I had to pick Ryan up, you know, Oh, yeah. there's always an excuse, you know, to not do it Oh, yeah. so, And, it gets worse, it doesn't get any better. Yeah, oh, I'm sure, I'm sure. Yeah, because I'm constantly running my children around someplace and that's where I actually get my exercise, is running them from here to there, in the car. Yeah. here to here, here, Yeah,
yeah, to the mall, to the movies, to the friends, to the, There you go, that's it, that's it. Sounds like fun. Well, it was nice talking to you. Well, it was really good to talk to you. Yeah, well okay, we'll talk to you later. Take care, talk to you later. Um, um. Bye-bye. So, do you fish? Oh, yeah. My dad has a lake cabin, and so we go there for the small lake, uh, just outside of the Dallas Fort Worth area. It takes us about three hours to get there.
And we go, and we fish, and we catch a bunch of junk Nothing, nothing to talk about for the most part, but it's fun. Uh, from a boat or from shore? From the dock, from shore. Oh, that's nice. Uh, mostly catfish or, Oh, mostly we catch carp. If we're doing good, we catch a catfish or two once in a while. And, you know, we go ahead and eat those. But we've never caught enough to really have what you'd call a fish fry. What we normally do is just, uh, go ahead and clean it up, and then, uh, you know, put it in a bag and freeze it. And, and somebody takes it home and eats it then when there's just a couple people instead of a whole crowd. Usually, there's a pretty good crowd there, so we don't ever catch enough to eat. Carp is usually pretty much fun. Because I've caught up to about an eight pound carp on a little, you know, a little pole with twenty pound test line. And that, that's a pretty good fight. So that's a lot of fun.
Yeah. A real light line, real light rig? Yeah. Well, that sounds like fun. They fight hard. Fish in Colorado different than that. Yeah? Mostly trout in the mountains. Yeah, and in the rivers and stuff? Yeah, yeah, mountain streams and rivers. Are they good to eat? Uh, yeah, very. Yeah, very much there, you know. Oh, you mean size wise they're not very big? Um, by and large, no. But, but they're big fun. Yeah.
Well, I've been, is that mostly, uh, fly fishing when you're doing that or, What? Are you fly fishing or are you using a bobber? I, I, I'm a fly fisherman. Yeah. Yeah, I, I cast a ways. I'm not highly proficient, but it's fun. I've never even tried that. My, if I don't have a reel with a button on it, I tend to get so much backlash, it's not worth the trouble Well, let me explain fly, fly fishing to you then. You're not casting a weight on the end of the line? Uh-huh. You're casting the weight of the line. With the little thing on the end.
Yeah, well, the fly on the end weighs nothing. Yeah, I thought it had a weight. It weighs less than the line. Oh. So what you do is, you strip off, oh, four, five, six little rolls, coils, of line into your hand. Uh-huh. And you whip the line. Um. As you whip it, over your head, or side to side, you slowly feed out more and more. Uh-huh. Um. So you're fishing downstream so it will carry some? Well, no, no. You fish upstream. Oh, you fish upstream? Right. And then you let it carry it downstream. Uh-huh.
And then you reel it in, and you do it again. You hope that they think it's a bug and, and eat it. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Jump at it. Uh, from what I'm seeing and hearing and all, the, the big pattern that's really looking forward for spring is the grub pattern. That's a fish? No, no. It, it looks like a grub. Yeah. Oh, it's a, it's a lure. Okay, whenever you, yeah, a lure, a fly. I see.
Whenever you have a, something that looks like something else Uh-huh. and it's a fly, you call it a pattern. Oh. All right, uh, you know, there's bumble bee patterns there's excuse me. Uh, there's bumble patterns, there's mosquito patterns, there's wasp patterns, there's grub patterns. Uh-huh. Um. Uh, Did someone just come up with this design, and, and you're going to make one for yourself, Uh, or are you going to buy it? You can buy them. Uh, I've got some. And, They seemed to have been hitting real heavy on it in Fall. Uh-huh. Oh, it's just, that, that just happens to be what the fish like this year, huh? Yeah, yeah.
Um. You know how that changes, the phase of the moon and, I guess so. We tend to use just bait. And, a few lures, Yeah. Yeah, I, I, You see, I'm from west Texas. but bait tends to work the best, just some blood bait. Oh, are you? Yeah. Where are you from? Lubbock. Oh, I'm from Midland. Oh, another west Texan. I went to college at Tech, so. You've been out to Buffalo Gap fishing. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
I've been up there. It, It, it's kind of nice way to get away from everything for the day. I didn't catch anything, but I've been up there Yeah, it's fun. It's lazy. Take a picnic lunch. I used to do that with my dad. Every once in a while we'd go out on a Saturday and just spend the day. Before it got too hot. Yeah. Well, there you fish mornings and evenings. And nights. Yeah. Yeah, we do most of our fishing at night. Yeah. Just from the heat of it all. That's one advantage you've certainly got on us. It, at times, gets incredibly hot here. It does?
I've only been up there once. In the summer. Well, no, I've been up there twice in the summer. But both times it was really pleasant. In fact, it snowed on us in, in, gosh, when was that? June? We were in Mesa Verde Park, and it was like the end of It was just before July fourth. Oh. And it was twenty-eight, twenty-nine degrees. We were out in this silly tent with regular little sleeping bags, not knowing any better And here it went and it froze, and it snowed on us. Yeah. We did not know what to do about it. Fishing is not just, just dragging fish out of the water. It's, it's a total experience, you know, getting out in nature and, hearing the crickets, and listening to the birds and, seeing the squirrels and, camping out, and eating out, of doors Yeah. Uh-huh.
Do, Yeah. and, Do you have to, do you wear waders when you fish? Uh, I probably ought to. I just freeze. Oh. Goodness, it must be a little bit cold. Yeah, yeah, well, you know, ankle deep or standing on the bank, and slipping it out there. That's cold water around there. Um. Do you have any, You know, I always intend to just stand on the bank and just kind of slip it, out there, Oh, I see. and you know how it is. The water's kind of, Yeah. And you get, you get a little more carried away with it,
and you move a little closer. And then you're in to it just a little bit, and then you splash in and, the next thing you know, your knees are wet. Yeah. Do you have any kids that you take fishing? Uh, got a stepdaughter. Uh-huh. She's real sweet. And, uh, at times she enjoys it, at times not. Yeah. A fuzzy little dog. I have a three and a half year old and a one and a half year old. Oh. And the little one, of course, is, could care less. Yeah. The, uh, three and a half year old has just gotten to the point, we got him a little pole last year, and just put, uh, his big thing last year was throwing it in the water and reeling it up That was what he considered fishing
This year, he's gotten to where he can. We, we were at a friend's, uh, stock pond, we were out at their farm, and, and they had been fishing and let him use the pole while we we all walked off a healthy hundred yards or so and let him fish. Yeah. And he started trying to cast it. So, he, he was kind of getting there but he's, He's at a dangerous point right now Yeah, you guys sure want to be out of range. He understands the mechanics of pushing the button and throw, but not necessarily the direction it's going to go in. It takes time. Yeah. Yeah. Last year, we had a, oh, just a wonderful trip up to Travers Lake. * Trapper's Lake in Colorado? Oh, it was cold, and rain the whole time. And we still had a good time out, of the deal. Yeah. Well, that's good. Uh, and Colorado is a beautiful place to live. Oh, yeah.
My husband would like to live there, but I don't know. All of our family is here so, Well, and you've got to have, you've got to work for a living. Well, yeah, but T I is up there, so that part of it would probably work out What division you all in? I'm sorry, what? What division are you all in? We're both, uh, I was, uh, military, but he's division three. It goes back and forth. Division, well, maybe division one right now. He's in computers. Oh. So,
Well, the only thing up here, is division one. And he's in school, and everything else. I have some friends who work up there. Oh, yeah? Kathy and Kevin Guy. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. And they like to fish. They've been inviting us to come up there in the summer. Her dad has a cabin, and they go fishing, up there. Oh, fishing's, fishing is fun up here. So that would be neat to, try it some time. It's not, It seems like the success ratio, the success rate here is not as good as on some of the better lakes there. But it is fun. Yeah, You know, The, the experience is, is better up here, I think. long as you have a good time, that's the main point
so, Uh-huh. You know, it seems more relaxing, there's more to look at. Definitely more to look at. And, and there's something about listening to water run that's relaxing to the soul You know, if you're, if you're just sitting on a nice hot lake, Yeah. Yeah. The only thing you've got to watch is when that creek comes up. We camped next to one, one time when we were there a couple of summers ago. And we figured we were up a long way off. And then it rained that night, and we thought, well, wonder how far off we are? And we got up the next day, and that creek that had been fifty or sixty feet from our site of our tent was now about three feet away And it's like, oh, well, maybe we ought to move just a touch. So, that was kind of funny. Yeah, it, it is interesting to watch that water rise all of a sudden. Yeah, I just love the way it looks.
I could almost just watch the we, in fact, we have gotten out on, on trips before and just stopped and watched it because there was so much, and if you were there. I mean, it was, one time we were there, and I guess it was late May, so it was really your spring almost, you know, at, even though it was, it was really summer down here. Uh-huh. And, and the, I guess the creek, the mountains were really starting to melt, and the creek was just wild, just running. And, and all the white water and noise and the, it was just beautiful. Yeah. it gets foamy almost. Uh-huh. And you know it's just pure and pristine. And the froth Yeah. and, Okay, um, I have two children
and they're older now, but, um, I found it very difficult to find good child care when I was looking for a place to for stay while I thought school, Uh-huh. and, um, I wanted when they were very young when they were babies say till they were about two years old I preferred that they had an individual take care of them in a home and that's what I looked for and I was lucky enough to find one right across from my school, and that worked. Well, that's good. Yeah, that worked out real well but when they got older I wanted them to be in a school type situation, three, I think they were both three when they started where they could learn to interact with kids and, and be around kids their own age because I think that's that, that would prepare them for school also, it's real important , that they do that, um, that they get that preparation for school, Uh-huh. Yes, yeah. Uh-huh. so but I had, I have switched schools several times because I, I really didn't care for what was going on at that the school. I wanted them to learn to play I didn't academics forced on them at an early age. Yeah,
I, um, that, that's, oh, oh, you mean you switched schools for the kids. Yeah, for the for the kids. Uh-huh. Yes. well, I'm just recently married. Uh-huh. So I don't have any children. Though we plan on having them soon Okay. but I think, um, that I, that that's probably one of the biggest difficulties, uh, I think, um, I'm lucky though that, um, my wife will probably not have to work while our children, are under four, or five. Oh. Wonderful. Yeah, I'm a college professor, Oh, so, great.
and that's also, and it's nice for me because, um, most of the time you have so, so much flexible hours so that I could probably work two or three days a week, and then one or two evenings, so that if my wife does, um, does go back to work part time, um, there probably will be a possibility that I could stay home two days that she would go to work and that I would have to teach at night. Um. Great. Oh that's, wonderful. Yeah, so it will probably workout real nice for us, uh, Yeah. I think we're very lucky because just my job sort of builds in flexible schedules, That's wonderful. I can even teach on Saturdays and, and things, like that. Oh, great, Yeah, um, I do know that my brother and his wife have a terrible time finding, uh, child care, Right. and one of the things they made in, um, uh, real they're number one priority was that, um, they're children didn't have to leave their home *transcript error--spelling of initial "they're" should be "their" Oh, that's, wonderful too,
So, they, um, um, my sister-in-law is a, uh, um, a clinical speech pathologist, Uh-huh. so, she is I guess her most recent position after she returned back to work, she applied for a director's position and got it. So, I guess she's very well qualified for her field I guess and even though she took off two years for, um, I guess four years all together, Uh-huh. it would be three years, how old's Kayla three, yeah, I guess she took off three years all together, um, for cause I guess they have a four year old, and yeah, and my nephew is two, almost two, Uh-huh. so I guess she took off three all together and then when she decided to go back to work, um, she was able to find good position and pay for somebody to come into their home. Oh, that's wonderful. Yeah, I think they were really lucky there,
but I think they've lost this woman she she will not continue. Oh, dear. And, and she won't do it in the summer because her kids are home from school. Sure, yeah. So I don't know what they are going to do. Oh, you know that's an ideal situation, Uh-huh. but not many people can afford, something like, Yeah, I think, I think they they're both, they were both professionals unlike me they're, um, they were married, my brother's five years younger then she is, Uh-huh. so she was probably twenty-seven when they were married, Uh-huh. so she already had, had gotten bachelors and masters and established herself in a, in a practice almost. Um, where, you know, he then they waited a couple years Sure. Uh-huh. and, and he got himself pretty far along, I guess they didn't have kids until he was about, twenty twenty-six so by that time she was so well established, you know, I guess it made it a lot easier. Right.
Sure. but, uh, I think the longer you wait the easier, the easier it is, if you have that, that professional occupation where you can change. Oh, I do to. Oh, yeah, Yeah. but they're they're are just so many people out there that aren't that, uh, lucky, uh, Yeah. That's right, that's true, yeah. uh, because I'm a single parent, Uh-huh. and I, uh, you know, my husband and I, ex-husband and I got a divorce, um, when the children were small and so I, uh, was a teacher I, uh, still am teacher, Uh-huh. and it was really difficult to find affordable child care that was that was what I wanted, where I could, have piece of mind and when I taught school * transcriber spelling error--"piece" should be "peace" Yep. Yeah, and I knew my kids were being taken, care of. Yeah.
Yeah, and, uh, plus I, I, uh, wanted them to get something out of it, I just didn't want it to be a day where they went and slept and ate cookies and, that's it . Uh-huh. Yeah that, yeah, that's, you know, that's so important I, um, I, I guess it's so funny now with schools, you know, they don't take kid into kindergarten, and when, I guess when they're five, Uh-huh. and sometimes they flunk kindergarten now. Right. They don't let them into kindergarten unless they can count to ten and know their A B C and I think that's so funny because, um, I don't, I don't know if I want Sure. and I, it's a very important part of your life and I hope to read with my kids, but I don't know if I want my kids to go to school. At four, or three, Well. I agree with that. you know, I can see that when you make that point.
Well, the thing is, I teach this grade and I, I can see very readily the kids that didn't never learn socially how to get along with other, children Yeah. Uh-huh. and they're the ones that are having problems not only getting along with the other kids but academically, because they were not, they're should be, there's to many things in their way, *to should be too Uh-huh. Yep, uh-huh. and so I want my I wanted my children and they did learn to get, to get along with other people. Uh-huh, that's a really important point. Yeah, and I mean I feel a lot of maladjusted adults and I bet if we trace back to their, early childhood we could see some, you know, times they didn't get to play or be with other kids their own age really learn how do get along with, people. Yep. I think that's really, that's important I, I've seen the same thing I, I think you're exactly right because, you know, I've gone or
before I was married I went out with a girl, and you know, um, boy, after, you know, after about two months I realize this girl really has some deep set emotional problems. Uh-huh. And I bet, and they could be traced back to just not being, uh, you know, being moved between day care centers when she was one and two and three years old, and never, always being a bit snippy and spiteful. Uh-huh. I bet you could trace all the way back I bet you could too, because it, you know, kids have to learn how to get along with other people, Yeah. Uh-huh. and if they don't they just don't turn out to be really, you know, good adults or, successful adults I should say, That's true, yeah. Uh-huh. you know, really but, uh, it is a big problem and you I have lot of friends right now that, uh, have young children and they daily have problems with, with whoever is taking care of the child, Uh-huh. or they switch a lot, which is not good for the child either.
Yep, that's true. Yeah, that's really true. So you need, cause you need that consistency when they're young like that, and it would be ideal like you, you hope when you have children, your wife gets to stay home, Uh-huh. Yeah. I would have, have given anything if I would have been able, to stay home with my children. Yeah, I, I think I'm, I'm very lucky. Yeah, you. Um, because of having, you know, flexible higher education provides a flexible schedule. Right. I teach a computer classes so, it's, it's one of things where I'm paid a little bit better then a History or an English professor Oh, great. and I'm also, um, you know,
they have vocational type courses on weekends, almost everywhere, Uh-huh. Uh-huh. and, you know, you can take you can teach two three hours classes on a Saturday, which means, that, you know, whole week's worth of courses Oh, that's, wonderful. so that lets you be available three days during the week, you know, Oh, great. so you be will home with your kids I you know it's really funny is that I, I picked this career when I was in college because, uh, I think with my commitment to family and, um, wanting to spend more time with my children, because my dad had very, um, nine to five type job, with, uh, forty-five minute commute into the city, and a forty-five commute home, Um. You're very wise. Uh-huh. so, by the time he got home he was so tired and he was all rung out from the day, Sure. and I think he, he missed a lot of, um, our up bringing. Sure. You know, my mother I, I came from a family, that my mother stayed home until we started school. Uh-huh. thirteen and a sixteen year old. Um, and I, I don't, uh,
It's probably costing you a fortune. Oh it is, they really are expensive, yeah. My goodness, if, if you want them to be able to drive the car, the insurance bill. Exactly. um, Well, and they most of the area where we live in most of the kids have cars. Oh. So, you know, right now I'm looking for a little truck for my for my son, Uh-huh. so that you know an older, older, older, truck so I can afford it, Yeah. but, you know, I, I just look forward to him helping me out because I for years just car, drove in carpools all over the place Carpools, uh, and, And it will be nice just to be able to have him say will you go to the store, will you take his sister somewhere, something like that. Yeah, my parents did a lot of that.
That's right. Yep. And just to save you trips to and from, you know, uh, ball games and athletic events, and activities at the school. Right, exactly. Right. That's right. Yeah, isn't that something how, you know, you think about child care and it lasts along time. *along a long It, does for ever. It, it lasts a long time. And then when you get through with your own you've got grandchildren, so It's not ending is it You think we've talked a long, a long enough time? Oh, they come in, see this is the first time I've done this. Oh, in ten minutes, you have to talk that long. Well, you don't have to but they, they,
Uh-huh. um, you go the length and sometimes if it's a very busy time period you'll go about seven minutes. Oh. Depends on how old the tapes are at that time. I see. Uh-huh. I see. Yeah. Are you from the, where are you from? This is Baltimore, Maryland. Oh, my gosh, I'm from, uh, Plano, Texas which is, which is outside of Dallas. Yeah, well, most of most of the people I talk to are from Texas. Yeah because that's where T I is Uh-huh, yeah, and I've discussed, I've discussed, um.
That makes sense. Okay. Guess we can go ahead. Uh, well, I guess you know it's, you know, since living in Dallas it's always so hot, so in the summertime, I just, I wear lots of shorts, so because I don't work during the day. Uh-huh. So, do you work? Yes, uh-huh, yeah, I do work. Oh. Uh, and, but I work at a manufacturing plant, so I wear a lot of blue jeans, and T-shirts. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. But occasionally I have to get dressed up and wear panty hose and a dress, and high heel shoes Uh-huh. and I feel really uncomfortable doing that
and, in the plant so, uh, it's, it's a problem for me. Yeah. Uh-huh. But, normally I just wear blue jeans and a T-shirt. Uh-huh. Very, very, comfortable. I like that so much better than having to wear dress clothes. Yeah, yeah, and buying suits and stuff, yeah, because just being at home and, I work at home, so, I just have, you know, I just wear my, you know, my shorts and stuff like that. Uh-huh. I don't go out and spend lots of money on, uh, different, you know, suits and stuff, you know. Uh-huh, uh-huh. But when I, before I got married, you know, I was working so I, uh, you know, I had more suits and stuff then but,
Right Worry about all that kind of stuff Well, I have plenty of suits and dress clothes because I'm like you, when I first started working, uh, I have all these suits and blouses and skirts and mix and match, and that kind of stuff Uh-huh. Uh-huh. but now that I, you know, work in the manufacturing plant, then it's just, it's so much more difficult for me to, to actually get dressed up to come in to work like that. Right. Uh, but occasionally I have to because, uh, part of my job is teaching, and training, Uh-huh. and, uh, so you have to look just a little bit nicer than your normal, garb When you're training, right. Yeah. Than your normal garb But I'm like you, too, uh, I moved from Ohio down to here Uh-huh, moved from, Winter. and I had mostly polyesters and, wools and winter clothes and buying all these cotton clothes, Uh-huh. and then, of course, you have to iron them all the time. Uh-huh.
That's really, that's been a problem for me. Yeah, because I came from Wyoming and I had wool suits and wool skirts and, You know, I've got all these clothes that I never wear, because you can't wear them here. Right. Right. And, uh, the seasons are just so much different. You have so much summer. Uh-huh. And, uh, so then when I, you know, I finally get a chance to go out with my husband it's like a real chore to find something nice to wear That's true, that's true. Yeah Well, I know, I was just now, uh, uh, putting away a lot of my winter clothes, Uh-huh. and I was going through here and I was thinking, I haven't worn this in three years. Yeah. And, because it's a wool skirt
and there's just not that many opportunities to wear it. Yeah. And I have five or six wool skirts, Uh-huh. so I was thinking well, maybe, you know, I need to think about getting rid of them, but no, I folded it up neatly and put it away maybe next year Yeah. You hate to get rid of it, because you know how much you spent on them. Uh-huh, uh-huh. And it's real hard to get rid of some of that stuff, I know. So, Well, I know last year, uh, well, this past winter, it wasn't that cold. Uh-huh. But the previous winter we had more, uh, cold weather where I was able to actually wear, your double and triple layerings of, uh, clothes yeah, like you would when you're up north. Uh-huh. Clothes, yeah. So that's really interesting. Uh-huh.
Yeah, yeah, and I, I just don't spend, you know, right now my clothes come from Target, you know Yes, yes, yes, and they're all one hundred percent cotton and Yes, and they, you take them out of the drier and they're wadded up in a ball. Yes, yes, I know. Oh I'm so glad to meet somebody that, that their iron board is their permanent fixture in their house. It is, it is. You know, I have very little furniture,
but my ironing board is part of my decor so, That's true, and, and I've been looking at these, uh, uh, like in Home Depot where you can go and they've got, that ironing boards that will just flip right down off of the uh, uh, what, the, the, the door. Uh-huh. And, uh, and then you can actually have one where you can put it inside of a wall, you know, to have it, permanently attached, Uh-huh. and that's what I'm thinking I'm going to have to do because mine's sitting right out in front of my bedroom and it's just, it's just an eyesore, I think, with all the, Yeah, well, yeah it is, it is, but it's like, uh, I just don't want to do it Uh-uh, uh-uh. Yeah. No. I've been thinking about putting the ironing board in the closet, and, and running, you know, a line in there for my iron so I could do it in there Uh-huh.
and I wouldn't have to have that eyesore Yeah that's an idea. Yeah. Yeah. So, I have a big closet. Yeah, I, you know, if I have, if I know I'm having somebody come over to the house and there's a possibility they might be going back into my room, I will put it away, Uh-huh. Yeah but I iron our clothes as we go along, Uh-huh. so, you know, I no longer do that weekly thing, because I have so many, Right, no. and I'm like you, I, the night before or that day, I will iron whatever it is that we need Uh-huh.
and that's it. Uh-huh. Because it's too many, hundred percent cotton. Uh-huh. You can't iron it all and, Uh-huh. Yeah. And then with my kids, they're always getting into, you know, they can't decide what they want to wear so they, change their minds, you know, I know, I mean my oldest is only four, Uh-huh. but she's still changes her mind two or three times, before she figures out what she's going to wear Right. so, Right. Oh, I know, I know. And then they never put anything back. No, no
of course not. No, that, uh, that would be too simple. Uh-huh. Yeah, Absolutely not That's right. Our lot in life is to make her life miserable so, Uh-huh, absolutely, absolutely. Uh. Oh. Yeah, well that's, it's been good talking to you, to see somebody, hear somebody that does the same thing I do because I tell people what I do and they just go, oh, how do you do that? It's like, it's easy, you just do it, you know. That's right Uh-huh.
So, uh, but, yeah, I, uh, I know several of my girlfriends, though, we, uh, we all keep our ironing boards out and just, uh, an ever present thing in our household so, Yeah, yeah. I don't think I'd know what to do if it wasn't there, you know. My husband wouldn't know where to hang his dirty clothes. There you go. You know. Things that need to be mended, things that have to get ironed, Yeah. He wouldn't know where to put things so, Uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh. That's true. Yeah so,
Oh, well, it was nice talking with you. Oh, it was nice talking with you, too. Okay, take care. Take care. Bye-bye. Uh-huh, bye-bye. So eating out. What are you interested in in restaurants? Right, uh. So. Uh, once a week, twice a week? Oh, at least once a week. We're, we're retired now. When we working out we ate out more than that Yeah, I understand. Uh, but we both work and we have a daughter,
and we normally manage to eat out once a week anyway. Well, what type of restaurant do you like, Richard? Uh, really, I'm kind of open on food. I'm what you might call a culinary adventurer. I'll, uh, try anything once. Right. Been on a real barbecue kick lately. Oh have you? Yeah. We like Chinese. We eat, a lot of Chinese food. Excuse me. Uh, yeah, we usually have Chinese once a month. What do you look for in a restaurant? I hate franchised restaurants. You what? You, I despise franchised restaurants. Oh I, I, I, I always prefer to go to something that seems more family run. Uh, some place where you seem to have the attitude like you're going into their home for dinner almost.
Right. I know what you mean. I like some ambiance, and I like good food. I don't like fast food hamburgers and all of that. I don't, but I don't like something fake or put on either. Uh-huh. You know, if I could have a good small restaurant or a good large restaurant I'd go to the good small restaurant. Uh-huh. And I don't know why that is. I think it's probably due to pricing, often. Right, uh-huh. I don't care to go to a place just for the price of it Well, yeah, yeah, I mean, it's like continental French restaurant or something really with high prices Yeah. and seven courses isn't what I usually look for
It is what you look for? Oh, isn't, isn't. Uh, I try to get my money's worth. Right And not just that, I try to, well, that's a big part of it. I try to get my money's worth. You know, and not just in quantity, you know, but quality, and, and flavor and texture and care. Uh-huh. Presentation and, Well, presentation's not always all of it either. Well, like we, we've been eating some in a restaurant that that just changed hands recently, It's, it's important. and we're trying to give them a little patronage. But Sunday we went there, and I had a pretty good meal of grilled pork chops and a baked apple and potatoes. Uh-huh. So I said if they would just add a little bit of cranberry sauce, something like that Yeah, yeah, something a little extra Yeah,
that's what I mean by, and just for color if nothing else. Right, uh-huh. It would mean a lot to the looks of the plate. Yeah, yeah. What I miss up here is, I'm originally a Texan, and I miss home cooked Mexican. Tex-Mex, Tex-Mex. Yeah, home cooked Tex-Mex. Uh, Mexican restaurants where it's not owned by an Anglo or a corporation. Right, I know. Uh, we have a daughter in Texas and one in New Mexico, and we've really gotten to like, we like the real Mexican food better than Tex-Mex. Yeah. Well, there's real Mexican food and there's real Tex-Mex Mexican, you know, by third or fourth generation Americans of Hispanic heritage.
Right. It's all pretty good, isn't it? Oh, yes, and, and there's big differences, of course, and, of course, when you talk about Mexican cuisine you, that's kind of like talking about American food or Chinese food, in because its regional, too. Right, uh-huh, that's true. So. I'm originally from Maine, so we like seafood, too. And that's something we don't get here, and we're in the mountains in Virginia. Oh. And most of the seafood's frozen. Uh, yeah that's the way it is here in Colorado, also. No fresh, or almost no fresh seafood Right. and in Texas we got it from the Gulf.
Uh-huh, that's true. Lots of shrimp. And, yeah, here a couple years ago my wife and I went to Seattle on vacation. And I think everything except breakfast was seafood for almost a week. I know it And it was, I was like a man starving at every meal. I know the feeling. We do the same thing. My son-in-law is a Texan, and when he goes to Maine, he eats lobster, I guess, at least twice a day, all the time he's up there It's a lot cheaper there, isn't it? Lobster? Oh, yeah, yeah. It's like two ninety-eight a pound for a pound lobster. It's like shrimp on the Gulf. Two ninety-eight a pound.
Yeah. That's as cheap as steaks some places I mean in a grocery store. Oh yeah, cheaper, right. Right, yeah. A lot of the restaurants you can get two two one pound lobsters for like ten ninety-nine. Oh, my gosh. I've got to go to Maine then rattling in You may have sold a trip for some time. Yeah, it's a good place to go. Uh, it sounds wonderful. Uh, so, Lots of little restaurants, too, with home cooked food, that's up there. That sound good. Uh, down in the Gulf I've eaten a bunch of those little uh, seafood shacks, we've called them. Right, uh-huh.
And, uh, it's just so much different than to eat something that's been frozen. You know Uh-huh. We went to shrimp straight out of the bay. We were in Galveston last year right well, the first of this year, actually. Hm. And, ate in a restaurant, and they claimed to have the best shrimp on the Gulf coast. Was it true? No. It wasn't. On the way across Louisiana, we pulled off, we saw a billboard and just pulled off taking a chance on a place. And they had, it was a small restaurant, just kind of out of the way, and they were set up with two buffets, one for their regular Sunday chicken and roast beef and vegetables and everything. And then one complete seafood buffet. Hm. Huh. That was the best shrimp I have ever had in my life. They had shrimp fixed probably six different ways. Uh, yes,
the cajuns. Uh-huh, right. It was wonderful. They can, they can do things to shrimp that, that no one else can. Uh-huh. So, have you eaten crawfish yet? Uh, I tried it, but I didn't care for it. Not there, but at my brothers I tried it. Oh, as with anything, it's preparation. That's probably true. It, We just, he went down and bought some at a local place that steams them, just so we'd try them. Uh. Uh-huh. It, there's all kinds, Probably needed some cold beer with it
and So you do eat out a lot. Quite a bit. One of our other real problems with going out to eat, Sunday morning brunches. Oh. You know, Sunday brunch, all, all you can eat brunches. Right. We used to do that, once in a while, but we don't anymore. Uh, we still find it fun. Uh-huh. It's fun, but it's just so much food Hate to come away feeling uncomfortable Well, I work in machine shop and do a lot of physical labor. Do you, well that makes a difference. And so, Where do you go to brunches? Like at hotels, or restaurants there?
Yeah, uh, actually one of our, one of our favorites is a chain. Shoney's. Oh, yeah, uh-huh. We eat at Shoney's. Yeah, in spite of the fact I've spoken so badly about chains, chain restaurants, uh, we, uh, do like Shoney's pretty well, but then there's a place up the pass, up in the mountains that we pretty reliably like to go to on some Sunday mornings, drive, drive up to, I think it's about eight thousand foot elevation. And, and drive through Woodland Park and go for a short drive in the mountains and have breakfast. Oh. Uh-huh, that sounds nice. It, it, it's the way to spend a nice Sunday morning. Right, I imagine it is. I think it's as much the, the trip to the mountains as it is the breakfast brunch. You know, and it's not that far. It's thirty miles. out of, which direction? Colorado Springs. Out of, which direction from there?
West Uh-huh. west out of Colorado Springs. What are your favorite programs? Uh, it's kind of hard to put my finger on a, on a favorite T V program, however, uh, one that I've been watching for a number of years is DALLAS. And, uh, And, uh, it's going to be going off the air, uh, let's see, a week from a week from tonight. Oh, how funny. It's going to be its last show. So I've, I've kind of enjoyed watching over the years. I've been disappointed in it and also pleased in it. And, uh, I was, uh, greatly disappointed, uh, when I did move down to Plano to, uh, find out that the, uh, the, uh, great South Fork Ranch was really only a one bedroom house. I've seen the sign that goes to there. I've, well I think I've seen it in the distance. Uh-huh. But I have not even seen it. And I have not seen the program. Oh well, That's a shame. So
And, and, uh, I know when we went to London, it was really funny. Uh, people recognized Dallas, Texas, by the, the Texas, uh, the, the cowboys and by that program. Uh-huh. Yes. And that's, that's the two things they associate with Dallas, Texas. So, I, and I, they asked me, uh, several times, several times they ask me, why are there two bridges? And I didn't know what they were talking about. It took me a long time, they're talking about the viaducts. Uh-huh. Is that, that is right, isn't it? Yeah. Because they ask me, why are there two bridges going into Dallas? Darned if I know I was blank looking, you know. I felt really dumb.
Well, it's, it's, uh, when you look at the, uh, you know, route seventy-five, coming down there. I mean, it's actually a bridge, but it's a bridge over top of roadway. There's no water there. I mean, uh, Well, there's water in the Trinity. I thought it was to, going to Oak Cliff over the Trinity. Yeah. Well there's, there, uh, well they, I think when they open the show up they give you two different views of Dallas. Oh, do they? One from the east and one from the west. Uh. And that's why. Oh, I see. But it kind of confuses people. But, uh, uh, I enjoy, uh, uh, a lot of different comedies. Um, I think it's mainly for an escape, um, you know, you, uh, my job is not the most thrilling in the world and, uh, I enjoy laughing and, uh, some of the shows that, uh, are on the air, some are just purely, you know, brain drainers. Uh-huh.
And then there's other ones that, uh, deal with, uh, in a funny manner, uh, socially relevant things. And, uh, one show that comes to mind is like DESIGNING WOMEN. Uh, I think that is just a hoot. That's one of those few that I do watch when the television is on. My husband likes to watch T V. It's on. I usually read and watch T V. Uh-huh. Yeah. Uh-huh. But that's one of the few that I just actually watch. Because it's funny. Yes. I really enjoy that one. Yes. It, uh, it has been very entertaining and, and also, uh, the, the issues they deal with, uh, really tends to open, open your eyes as well as your mind to some of the problems. And, uh, I've, I've really enjoyed that one since it came on. Um, I don't like the politics surrounding the program though, but, I mean, other than that, you know, there seems to be a little in fighting going on between the producers and one of the actresses.
But, uh, and then, uh, I've kind of gotten hooked on P B S stuff, uh, public, uh, T V. Uh, I like things like NOVA and, uh, some of the, the special programs they come up with on nature and stuff. I just enjoy watching that stuff. Now, we watch a lot of those. Uh, and the ones that sometimes will hook me, to put down my book, will be the one, there was one, uh, recently about the Gettysburg Address. Uh-huh. And they wrapped a fictional story around it. Uh-huh. And I thought that was well done. Uh-huh. And, and it, it caught my attention. I wound up watching the whole thing. Uh, I guess the awards ceremonies, and there seems to be dozens of them per year. Maybe I've spent two minutes watching to see what they on and if they make a fool of themselves or not But they could take that whole collection and it would disappear Yeah. I, I, particularly take issue with those. I, I really dislike those.
Well I'm one of those rare guys, who, I, I rarely ever sit down and watch a whole sporting event, um, if ever watch one. Uh, there's just not that much I'm, I'm interested in. Um, for a while, I, I, I watched some football, but I've just got too many more important things in my life now than to sit around and, and watch a baseball game. You know, my husband used to just be riveted to the Dallas Cowboys. And now, we're out running around, and if they're, if they're playing, he'll turn it on while we're in the car to see what the score is, and he'll listen. But, even I've said, hey look, you're fascinated with this, you sit and listen to the Cowboys. Let me run in here, and I'll do some things and I'll come back and you don't have to miss, he'll say, na, na, na. And he doesn't, he doesn't watch it. He like I say, if it's convenient he'll listen to it. Uh-huh. But he just doesn't watch them on T V like he used to. Well I think it was great when they were, you know, like world champs and they were doing real well. I, uh, I
personally, I, I came from the Washington area. And so I was a big Washington Redskins fan. Uh. Oh, those people. Yeah And, uh, when I came down to Dallas, it was, uh, you know, I found myself rooting for the home team. I, uh, in fact I have a, uh, a baseball hat that was signed by Tony Dorsett and Hershel Walker the only year they played together on the Dallas Cowboys. Oh, how neat. Well, I actually got to go see them win in the Super Bowl when they went down to New Orleans. Oh, wow. And, I, I, I make the trip and did the whole New Orleans before the game and the game and everything and, uh, that was, that was a lot of fun. But, I don't know, I haven't been as, I'll tell you what I love to watch. And this is not, this is rarely on television. But what is a lot of fun to go attend, is this arena football. Huh. Yeah, I like it so much better than straight football. No,
I haven't seen that. It, it doesn't, it has a lot of different rules. Uh-huh. The field is half the size Uh-huh. and there's no, they can't call time and things like that. It moves a lot faster. uh. Gee, I'll have to try to catch that sometime. It's, Uh, again I think it may be on cable more than anything else. Yeah, We don't have cable. that's probably true. Yeah, we don't either. I, uh, I couldn't rationalize paying, you know, it's like if I pay for a movie channel, then I have watch what movies they want me to watch when they want me to watch them. And if I, you know, if I didn't use cable for anything else other than the basic, well I can get that for free.
And well, I really don't need C N N, I see enough bad news all the time. I don't need to see more of it. So I, I've kind of, uh, rationalized that it's, it's probably a lot more economical for us to just go rent the movies we want to see. Well, And of course when we were living in Texas, it was real convenient with Tom Thumb. Oh. You know, having movies, uh, back then it was ninety-nine cents. I mean, go, They're everywhere, they're on every corner. Yeah. Everything you've ever wanted to see. Um. You can see them a lot sooner than you can see them on any of the stations like H B O or Cinemax. Well, and I like to rent tapes because you can put the thing on hold if you get a telephone call or something like that. Uh-huh. Or it becomes snack time for various reasons. You can put, you know, the only thing, this DANCE WITH WOLVES, I want to see it in a theater. Oh, yes. I do too. Because I understand that, that your, you'll lose fifty percent of it if you don't.
Yeah. And I, uh, I've been trying to get my wife to go with me to go see it. She, she doesn't like going to movie theaters because usually they're dirty, and, uh, you know, she just doesn't like them. And, um, she doesn't think that she could sit still for three hours and watch the movie. And I've told her, you know, everybody I know that has seen it has said that the three hours go really quick. That's what I hear too. And, uh, so I'm, I'm hoping I can get her talked into it soon. Well, my husband smokes. He's one of the dinosaurs that still smokes. Um. And you can't smoke in movie theaters. And that has really slowed down the forward progress of going to movies. But I haven't really cared up until this point. But I, we are this weekend going to go see DANCE WITH WOLVES. It's, that's it. We will do it. Um.
So, That's great. Yeah, finally. Yeah. But as, as far as, uh, regular T V shows, I mean, I've got some, some shows that, that, that I would be afraid to admit to you that I've actually sat down and watched And then there's, there's others that, uh, uh, I wish I had time to see. It's like I enjoy watching CHEERS. It's very funny. Some of the things in it are mindless, but I, I just don't have time to watch it. Um, I think about the only night that I really sit in front of the T V set all night long probably is on Monday night. Because, um, I work so hard over the weekend, doing other things with the kids and stuff and going to work on Monday. Monday night I'm just worn out. So I kind of use it as the time to catch up on correspondence and, and look over things. And I can sit in front of the T V set and look at, you know, do, go through my mail and, and watch T V at the same time. Well, I tend, my job tends to be very demanding. Uh-huh. And to sit down and to mindlessly either read or just mindlessly stare in absolute comfort isn't as bad as it used to,
I'm actually at work. Oh, I'm in facilities and happen to have, uh, weekend duty here. Oh, okay. What building do you work in? I'm in the South Building. Oh, okay. Okay. We, we pull mostly evenings. We are having, there's three of us, uh, facilities' managers are covering the off shifts. Just to have somebody here, uh, from management to, uh, see if they need anything. Oh, okay. Okay. Oh, the, how many calls have you made? I've only made a few. Okay. Um, I'm, uh, getting close to twenty. This is the,
yeah, hopefully you have a lot to talk about in this one, but I don't really have a lot in this one. Usually I can talk for hours on most of the subjects they pick . Go ahead, you first Okay, our topic for today is invasion of privacy. So, I got a good one. Okay, good. When the phone rings and you've got a recording, and this always happens like around five or six o'clock, at night. It rings and you get this recording Okay, yeah. and then it won't go away and any, any of the type of solicitation that, where they call all the time, you know. There are evenings especially Friday nights, Thursday and Friday nights. Well, we must get in the neighborhood of anywhere from three to six calls about that time of night. More people call, that's where you want to jerk the phone out of the wall, you know, your sitting down to eat and the phone rings and, it's like, I don't want anything, thank you very much Right. Yeah, I,
the worst one, I guess, is like you, when it's a recording. I I don't mind so much someone calls and it's a, and it's a salesperson, at least you can chat or whatever and say, okay, now, we want to go and then when, when they actually start off with a, a computer, and expect you to talk to a computer, uh, that's where I draw the I just hang up immediately, you know. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Oh, yeah. Uh, shut my other radio off here Yeah, that's, that's real irritating to me. Uh, I guess they get their I'm, I'm amazed the question about that the, my concern would be everyone seems to have an answering machine and I have one too, Uh-huh. and they say that they can tie up your answering machine and just have a big long, if they catch your answering machine, They can leave their whole spiel on it. Yeah, they, they can erase all your others, you know, because if you have, I think that's the way it is, no, mine, I guess, if it's full, it will not take it, I'm not sure. But they can certainly, uh, block your answering machine so someone else calls you, uh, and your answering machine is full, you know, it won't erase.
Huh. Yeah I, But your right. *your you're That was a good one. yeah, that's, that's a high irritant for me. Drives me crazy. And it doesn't matter if you have an unlisted number or not because a lot of times these computer things will just make up numbers at random and just call them. Uh-huh. And so it really, really doesn't make much difference as to whether or not, you know, you have a unlisted number or not. And they pass around, uh, cards that have everybody's name on it. Like if you order something through a mail order catalog, you know, then you'll start getting a bunch of stuff in. And a bunch of stuff and a bunch of stuff because they sell their customer list, Uh-huh. or they sell their catalog list of people, to different companies and everything. Yeah. but it's, uh, annoyance for me in the office with, uh, speaker phones. You know, I, they're great for an office but this one guy next to me, who's not here just so I could talk about him, he uses his speaker phone all the time,
and it carries over and so not only would you hear, it seems to me that you talk longer from you kind of yell into it. Right. Right. Uh, and so he yells into it, and you hear the other person too, so it's kind of a double annoyance. He actually, uh, ruins my privacy you might say because the, the T I offices are so open anyway. Uh, that I'm amazed that, the fact that I'm about ready to say something, uh, if he's even thought of that that's a real uncourteous thing, an, an invasion of everyone else's time and, and concentration to just be loud. Uh-huh, uh-huh. I don't know whether that's an invasion of privacy just being loud and, and annoying, you know. Uh, that's, perhaps not quite an invasion of privacy Uh-huh. but I think it is, and we both picked phone items there. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Let's see, I'm trying to think.
Oh, have you heard that, that, I'm trying to think of what company it was, there was a company that was going to, uh, be giving out information about your financial status. Oh, yeah, I heard something about, not that exactly, but go ahead. Well, um, I work in the computer science center and so we hear a lot about things that are, that computers are capable of doing. Yeah. And, uh, this was a software program that a company was developing that was going to have X amount of million peoples financial history and information on it. And they were going to sell it to companies who would up in turn solicit you for business et cetera, et cetera. Uh-huh. And, uh, they finally, uh, stopped production of it because of all the hullabaloo it caused, because it was such a big deal. Uh-huh. And I wouldn't have been too thrilled about it either. I mean, there was a lot of stuff going on about it. Well, I, uh, heard something similar to that. I listen to, I'm a, uh, uh, talk show person. And there was, Okay. when I, when I do my chores up at the
I'm a radio person I guess is what I mean. Uh-huh. And so I listened to, was it five seventy, which has continuous talk on the weekends, and Neil Sperry and everybody, I mean, the lawyers and veterinarians and all that. Uh-huh. And, uh, I don't know if it was a lawyer or whatever it was talking about when you make out a a financial application, all that information on there is really not necessarily, even a, your Social Security number, you know, they, you should just put down the basics and put N A, where you don't want to answer. Huh. Uh-huh. Whether it's your personal salary or whatever. Uh, if your just making out a credit card application you don't need to put down and I was curious as to you know, what specific things you, you did have to put down. Huh. But he says Social Security, you don't need to put that down there. Which I thought was surprising. So maybe there's something along that same line where, you know, in all these financial, uh, applications that you make out, you don't have to put all that stuff down there. It would be nice to know what's, what was, of course, of course, they could say, well, I can't give you a card, and you could say, fine, but, you know, some things will be private, you know, but he said just put N A and he said usually you'll get approved anyway because they just want your money they want your card.
But if you don't feel like putting it down, just put N A, you know. Uh-huh. Well, that's real interesting. I know that a lot of times they ask for information that they don't really need, on several things and, you know, your credit ap and all, all they ever need you to do is give them permission to, to pull a credit thing on, on yourself Yeah, yeah. and there it is. That's all they really care about. Yeah. They just want that credit history to see if you're a person. If you're going to go ahead and pay your bills on time and things like that. I haven't, I don't have any friends down at the, the Austin plant, but I heard that they were really upset about the drug thing, and we seem to up here have just breezed through that and apparently some other companies are having trouble that, I don't have any trouble with it. Uh, it's kind of unusual here we are in Dallas, you know, the biggest location and, and it just breezed through and wasn't really, no one was, I guess, was really too concerned about it, uh, yet in Austin, there, there were, whether it was a class action or how far it got, I don't really know because T I only had a few things on T I NEWS I think about it, that they were objecting to Uh-huh.

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