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Really. It just seems so sad to have to only rely on, you know, college football. Is that all they're going to have to make money, you know. Yeah. But I didn't think that was the objective, to make money. But it seems like it is. Huh. It really is. I know there's a lot of pressure on schools to have a winning program. To get the best athletes so they can keep their seats full. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. You went to Indiana University? Uh, Purdue. Oh Purdue, okay. Yeah. Well, good. So. You're, you're a T I up in Sherman? Uh-huh. Oh, very good.
Are you from Dallas area? Yeah, yeah, I'm in the facilities there, down here in Dallas. Yeah, I guess football is the big sport down here, isn't it. Uh, certainly high school football, and college football, but again high school football is just so much fun to watch, because, uh, you know, not everybody plays of course, but they're still, it's good and it's still, you know the kids, and there's absolutely no money involved whatsoever, Yeah. and you know they're going to class, you know. You heard of, Have you heard of Damon Bailey. The I U white guard that plays. It, it's, it's real amateur sports. Huh-uh. Huh-uh. Well, last year, when he was in high school, they drew a crowd of like forty-one thousand for the state finals, when he played.
Is that right? I never heard , that's, uh, I never been in a football game in high school that had that many. Yeah, so that's, I mean, that's pretty big. Like he's from Indiana, and he plays for Indiana now. And, Indiana him to be a lot bigger than pro basketball up there. The Pacers don't really draw that big of a crowd You know, the high school games, I mean, that seems to be the big attraction, and college. Well, my office mate here, Earl, he, he goes to all the Maverick games and he loves that. He, he would be, this is a great question for him, uh, to talk about Like he's got, I'm looking at his calendar, he's got all over the place, and he goes to a lot of the Maverick games and everything. But, I, I, I can't get interested at all,
zero. I, I listen to him, and occasionally I'll watch them on channel eleven, but gee, I can't, uh, more than five minutes of a basketball game, just seems about, that's it, of, uh, pro anyway. Yeah, seems like you could set the score at a hundred and then give them five minutes to play, Yeah. then it'd be the same result. Yeah. Because they, they start, they shoot so much, and then the last, what, five minutes they decide who's going to be the winner, I guess. Uh-huh. Yeah, I'm surprised a little bit when you're talking about basketball how some players work. Mavericks had, oh two players this year that they got rid of last year.
I'll think of them in a minute. Perkins, Sam Perkins, can't think of the other one. They're both. Tarpley, is he one? Pardon me? Tarpley? Yeah, Tarpley, and they both left this past year, and both of them were on playoff teams, uh, so, they benefitted tremendously by leaving the Mavericks. Yeah. And Sam Perkins, here, he's one guy I did follow from, think he was in Virginia, I can't think of what school he went to, but from. I guess he's been here about five, six, seven years in the pros.
And he was, he never quite achieved the, you know, the super stardom that he had in, in college, Uh-huh. but, uh, basketball, they have a nice, I don't know if you've down to the sports for Reunion Arena. It's, Well, what kind of garden do you have? Well, we've tried having, let me turn the T V off, we've tried having a vegetable garden, and I'm from Chicago, and the way that, uh, bugs and weeds grow down here is very different from Chicago. And we have tried several years in a row, and we've given up, between the fire ants, the pill bugs, the weeds, the drought, and a hundred and ten degree heat all Summer, and we just kind of, uh, decided to go with a few flowers and give up on the vegetable garden Oh. We had to put so much poison out on everything that we thought, Who'd want to eat that stuff. Uh-huh, uh-huh. You know, so we have really been frustrated by our gardening attempts here,
and, uh, if you really water a lot, you can do it, but, you know, when you have to pay for water, it really gets to be an annoyance to have to water constantly. Uh-huh. So, right now we're just, Do you have a lawn? Yeah, we, we just try to maintain the lawn and the shrubs right now, and the trees. We have a peach tree. That's the extent of our, um, contributing to our food supply. But that's nice to have Oh, yeah. yeah. So what do you do up there? Well, um, actually it, we've sort of had an ideal Spring. Um. And, um, the, the peonies have been out for now about three weeks Oh, wow. and the roses have been blooming for two weeks, and the grass is, uh, this lush green,
and of course I've got lots of weeds in mine because, I don't use any poison either. Yeah. But, um, you know, I just keep looking at, and I say, Jeez, you know, this is the first year it's been so perfect. Really. Gosh. But, and my garden, you know, my tomatoes are two and a half feet tall Oh, boy the plants and, that sounds wonderful. you know, I'm I'm going, Gee, this can't, you know, we'll have a freeze. If you don't have a frost you'll be all right That's what I remember from living up north, is that you'd get everything set and then you'd have a frost and half the stuff would get frostbitten, and you'd have to. Well, that's it. Last year, I think it was, you know, my peonies were, were, budding in January, and, you know, there was no way that was going to make it,
and sure enough, you know, we had really mild weather until I think it was May or something Wow. Uh-huh. and then, you know, everything just got hit hard Oh, boy, that's frustrating. So, but yeah, it, it's interesting, and I enjoy gardening. My son does the mowing of the grass. Oh, yeah, my husband does that, thank goodness, because I, that's not a pleasure for me I don't think that's a pleasure for anybody, the the mowing. I love gardens that are well tended, and I just, there's been a few different places I've lived where I've just I don't know whether it's little old ladies living there or what, but you could just tell that they had a love, uh, a love affair with their gardens, with beautiful wild flowers, and just, I love the host of colors that just keep coming all, you know, year long. And, uh, I, I was in England once,
and that's one thing that impressed me so much is no matter what size yard somebody had, they had a beautiful garden in it. You know, it could be three feet by four feet or something. Uh-huh. So I do admire that, but I haven't really put, uh, too much energy into it. Course we have two little kids that are two and three years old Oh, they help you. So that has put a crimp in my every activity other than diapers and laundry, I'll tell you Oh dear. Oh but that's nice, you know, I mean the peach tree is, is a start and, yeah, that's really lovely. I would love to have different fruit trees. It's, it's been wonderful to have the peaches. They're just delicious. And, we, we we have, still have to spray some, but we don't have to just asphyxiate ourself with the poison, which is good, because I just, I can't see the point in doing that and eating anything out of it afterwards.
Right. What about tomatoes, aren't they pretty hardy? Um, we've tried them, but again, it's just like the sun scorch. Oh. We've tried them in kind of halfway in the shade and halfway in the I mean it's just, you really, really have to be prepared to water constantly during the Summer. Uh-huh. People that have been successful out here have done this drip irrigation and installed that, Oh. and um, that's really what makes the most sense, because you don't have to use so much water, and Uh-huh. it really does the job. But it's just amazing how hot and dry and for how long it gets out here. And if you're not really committed to it, I mean, me, I'm, you know, I'm real committed to it for about a week, and then I forget about it for a week,
and then I go, Oh, yeah, I need to do something, and by then it's burned up, you know. Uh-huh. It's just too distracting right now with these little ones in our lives, so maybe when I get older I'll find, uh, some joy in that Well, I would assume, too, I mean, you've got three or four months you're talking about of, of bad weather. Yeah. Yeah, it just gets so hot so fast here. We don't have really a Spring or a Fall Uh-huh. and it just, uh, immediately heats up. So, that's one thing I miss about living up north, as I remember, um, you know, the long Springs and long Falls and the cooler weather. It was really nice. Uh-huh. We always had gardens when I was, uh, living in Chicago. In fact, my mother once tore up our entire back yard and redid it. I'll never forget. Got my stepfather to put in, uh, a waterfall and a little pond in one corner.
I mean, that was like the most energy invested in anything in the whole time I ever knew him They remodeled the entire back yard. Then they sold the house and got divorced, so I don't know what that says about it all Oh, dear. Oh, but she used to love to do stuff like that. Sounds like it would have been pretty. Yeah, it really was. I enjoyed it there. But maybe when the boys get a little older, we'll do some more planting, because they like to see things grow. They've done a couple of little seed projects, and so I think it would be fun for them. Oh, sure, sure. Yeah, yeah. Well, it sounds like you, you've got your hands full Oh, yes
They're both running around now. And, you know, gardening isn't, isn't high on the list, but it's not off the list. Yeah, well, it's very therapeutic, I think, really to get out there and dig in the dirt, you know. Uh-huh. They certainly enjoy that part of it It's just trying to keep anything. I planted bulbs last, uh, Fall on the side guard, and when I went out there in the Spring and the first day they came out the little one went and pulled all the flowers off, and the flower petals were scattered all over the walk Oh. He thought, what are these fun toys that mommy put out here with all these colors for me to play with? At least he didn't eat them, I mean, I guess I could be thankful for that. Right. Maybe next year they'll do better. Yeah, really.
If they survive this year. Oh, well, good luck to you. Okay, well, thanks. Nice talking to you. It was nice talking to you too. Bye-bye. Okay Have you ever, uh, organized a family reunion? Uh, no I have never organized one. But we are, we have one, uh, we are going to have one on Memorial Day, I guess. Uh-huh. They have had one the last two years. We go out to the, my dad's farm and, uh, and, you know, it is just a picnic and spend the night. Go fishing and stuff like that. Uh-huh. How many people usually show up? Oh, about ten. Oh, it is not that big. Huh-uh. Because, uh, we have had sort of weekends like that too.
It, But I never thought of it really as a reunion. Uh-huh. I sort of think of a reunion with my, uh, all the extended family Everybody, yeah. Yeah. That would be hard for us because most of the family is out in California. And some is in New York and North Carolina, Uh-huh. and it gets, it is kind of hard to get get everybody organized. Uh, is there someone, do you all just sort of chip in and help out with stuff when you are there? Or, Uh, yes. Yeah. My, my, uh, dad has a house out there anyway. And there is, there is, uh, he keeps a uh, food out there, year round.
Uh-huh. So, so he does not live there though? Uh, no. It is, it is, it is like a country, country home. Vacation home. Uh-huh. Yeah. It sounds nice. Uh, are there kids that are there too, or mostly adults? Yeah. The grandchildren. Uh-huh. Just a few. It just depends, uh, uh, all my grandparents are dead so, uh, there is, there are not, you know, none of them are there. And, and, uh, then an uncle is dead. So the, the big family is a lot smaller that it used to be. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Are you all located in Texas?
Uh, yeah. We are in, we are all, uh, like they live up in Sherman. It is near Lake Texoma. Uh-huh. And, Uh-huh. Yeah. uh, all of his children live in the Dallas area too. So, Yeah. That to me is, yeah, Dallas I know of, Houston I know of, and that is about it In Texas. Uh-huh. The rest of it is sort of a big void to me. Yeah. But, uh, you know, we have, uh, well,
we all got together, it was about two years ago for, I was, I had graduated from college. And, uh, I was going to live in France for a year. And so my parents invited, it was not just family, it was friends too. But, uh, we all got together for just a party. And that was kind of fun. Uh-huh. Nice to have everybody together at once and things like that. French reunion? Well, not quite French, Yeah. but, uh, it was sort of a reunion before leaving. It was fun. It was on, uh, New Year's Day. So it was almost a celebration of the new year too at the same time. Uh-huh.
Yeah. It was kind of fun. But, uh, but who was it? A friend of mine had a big family reunion a couple of years ago and, you know, everybody flew in from all over the place for the weekend. And it really sounded like it was fun. But, I am not quite sure what I would do. I think it would be fun to like rent a big mansion or house someplace, and have everybody meet someplace where they do not really know. And have different areas to explore and things like that. Uh-huh. Yeah. So that would be kind of fun. Yep. Where nobody lives Right. But at least that way it is at nobody's house, so nobody one, no one person is responsible for everything. Yeah. And they do not have to clean up afterwards. Yep. Yeah. That is for sure.
The cleaning up can be a mess. Uh-huh. But uh, do you have horses or anything at your dad's farm? I am, I am sorry? Does, does your dad have horses there? Uh, no, he does not really have any, any, uh, uh, domestic livestock anyway. Uh-huh. But, he leased, uh, to his neighbor for the cattle to feed on. I see, so it's, so he really does use it as a vacation home. It is not like a farm that he has somebody else run for him or something like that. Yeah. Pretty much. He has a garden and, uh, a lot of fruit trees and blueberry bushes and things. Uh-huh. Well, that sounds nice. Do people actually pick the fruit and things? Uh-huh.
And then there is wild blackberries there too. Uh-huh. So, Yeah. I, used to, we used to go pick wild blackberries at my friend's property, he gets, but we never got enough. I used to make jam, but I never had enough to really make, you know, more than a jar or something. Huh. So it was not so worth it. Yeah. It is kind of, they're kind of off and on it seems like. Uh-huh. Depends on the rain. That sounds, is, does he have a lot of land to go walking around and things there? Uh, it is, uh, it is, uh, eighty acres.
Well, that is pretty big Uh-huh. I do not know how they do scale down there. You know, here it would be a huge amount of land. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Because they, is this house here that has a lot of space is three or four acres. As opposed to tens of acres. Yeah. And, uh, and most of it, you know, you just spend time on maybe ten acres of it. Uh-huh. And, uh, because that is where the ponds are and where everybody fishes. Uh-huh. We kind of have a, an informal contest. My uncle, uh, put some bass in, uh, his pond a few years ago. Well, he put some crappie too.
But the bass, we have not been able to catch any of the adult bass yet. So, Uh-huh. they are in there, but they are real spooky. Yeah. I think my dad put some. We have a little pond at our, at his vacation home too. And, I mean really little. Uh-huh. And they were having problems with too many goldfish because we had put some goldfish in, and there were too many little goldfish, and so the big ones never got bigger. Oh, yeah. And, uh, somebody suggested to get a bass. Uh-huh. And so they went fishing and caught a bass near some place and put it in there and never saw it again Never saw the bass? No.
Oh. So we do not know whether it is living or, Oh, it is probably in there just burping goldfish. Yep. Yeah. We still have lots of little goldfish. They propagate pretty well, those little fish. Yeah, Yeah, they really do. because we started, we have got hundreds in there now, and we started with, I think, ten or twenty little feeder fish that I picked up for a dollar, you know, no matter how many it was for a dollar. Uh-huh. And, and some of them are probably eight inches long. Uh-huh. But he wants your really big ones, you know, the ones that get to be like a foot and a half long. Oh, And,
yeah. It, They there is a, uh, you might put some, like some yellow catfish in there. I do not know if they would live very well up in New York, but they get huge. And, uh, they routinely use them for bait for, uh, goldfish for bait for yellow catfish. Oh, okay. Well, we would want to put some small ones in so they do not eat the big guys, the goldfish too Uh-huh. But, yeah. We could see. I do not know if yellow catfish live up this way. But catfish do, I think. Yeah. They live in the Mississippi River all the way through Minnesota and up into Canada. Uh-huh. So, that, you mean,
well, we could try it. That is a good idea. Uh-huh. Because he was trying to catch them, you know, using little, uh, I forget, there's little, uh, nets you can use to catch fish to use as feeder fish and things like that. Minnow nets or something. Uh-huh. My father was taking those and trying to catch the goldfish. And it was really funny, because, uh, one time he left the net in the pond, and he like would put some tuna fish or things in the middle of it to attract the fish. And, uh, he left it in the middle of the pond And that night he came out, and the trap was gone. And it was a raccoon that had taken it. So it was really funny. And you could see that, you know, you could see where the trap, the trap was dragged and things like that. Uh-huh. And so, Yeah.
That is what happens But do you guys have fishing competitions while you are there? Yeah And, uh, we feed the catfish. They feed the catfish like, uh, every couple of weeks. And, uh, and sometimes that is the best time to catch them. Yeah. Because they will just, they will just come after anything then. Uh-huh. And you could catch a couple anyway during that time. What do you feed them? Uh, mixed Purina, uh, it is, uh, cat food, uh, catfish food. Really? Yeah. And it is especially made for catfish. But, Yeah. Well, I do not know how much different it is from dog food but, you know, it is, uh, it looks like Purina High Pro. Uh-huh.
Yeah. That is funny. But they come up to the top. And it is the best time to take pictures, because they come up to the top, and you can see their whiskers come through the water. And they're, Uh-huh. the the big catfish just kind of vacuum the top of the water. Uh-huh. I have never seen catfish, you know, except in filleted on a plate, I think maybe. I think I have seen once or twice in like the museum. Uh-huh. But I have never seen them, just alive someplace. That would be fun to see. Well, they are really funny fish. Uh-huh. When you catch them, they make a kind of a, a burping, growling sound at you. Uh-huh. And they try to hit you with their tails. How big do they get?
Oh, well, the channel catfish get up to, uh, I think the world record is fifty some pounds. Uh, Do you know? that, that is only about three and a half feet long. That is pretty big though. Yeah, Yeah. they get real fat. Uh-huh. Uh, from the time, they, they stay slender until they get to be, uh, eighteen inches long, and then they start to widen out. Uh-huh. Uh, my daughter, we were up there one time and my daughter was fishing And I think that was when she was three. And she caught a catfish by accident. She was fishing for sunfish. Uh-huh. And she said, "Here," and she handed me her rod and reel And, and, uh, you know, it was just pulling drag out.
Uh-huh. And it swimmed wherever it wanted to. Yeah. That sounds amazing. I will have to see them sometime. But, all righty. Okay. It was nice talking to you. Nice talking to you too. Okay. Bye-bye. Enjoy your, uh, weekend. Yeah. Have a nice Memorial weekend. Okay. You too. Bye-bye. Bye. Okay, now you can tell me what you do.
Uh, well, I work with computers, just like your son Uh-huh. and I actually do research in speech recognition Oh, great. part of the reason I'm participating in the project is to see how the stuff goes. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. But, um, I was working well, actually I haven't worked for any large companies per se uh, recently Uh-huh. but hopefully the job that I will have will have lots of benefits namely lots of vacations not real good salary but lots of vacations. Uh-huh. Yeah Well, the one John works for seems to have a you know, good benefits, and the pay is decent. Yeah the, uh, well actually, where I was working the company one of the companies I was working for actually had very good health care benefits which these days I think are really important Uh-huh.
Uh-huh. because health care is so ridiculously expensive. Because we're, we're paying our own insurance right now. uh-huh, uh-huh. But and I'm, we actually had a little baby so I'm taking a little bit of a time off from work. Oh, Great, I had, I had a granddaughter Oh, congratulations. And so one thing that I'm very concerned with now is first of all health benefits because it's more important with a family Right. and you know, our doctor's routine doctor's visits covered, my health insurance only covers, um, the emergency care. Uh-huh. Do you have major medical benefits? Right, yeah, but I don't,
That, that helps some, if, it depends on what your deductible is how high it is. Right. Well, my, our deductible's five hundred but it's for each event. Each person. Yeah, that's pretty that's pretty high, Right but, you know, so it covers the emergency things but it doesn't cover if you get sick Right. it doesn't cover doctor's visits, things like that. That's, that's right. And five hundred dollars is a lot to come up with for each person to be able to start using your major medical, too. Oh, yeah, it certainly is. Uh. Yeah,
I know where my daughter works, now she, she, course we live in a, a rural sort of setting Uh-huh. and where she works she has no benefits at all. Wow. And her wage is not, not very good Uh-huh. But it's, it's the type of area we live in. Of course, living expenses aren't as bad either, though, which makes a difference. And probably the medical care is less expensive, too. Well, she has to pay for it herself Uh-huh. you know, they have to pay for their own insurance. But, uh So I think that in general the doctor's fees are probably lower there, and so the insurance would cost lower, Uh, well, from what I've seen, from my aunt and uncle really from Florida up to here, they're not that much different.
Well, I know that friends of mine had a baby up in Boston Uh-huh. and their costs were about fifty percent of what it cost to have it in Manhattan. Is that right? And they were at one of the better hospitals, you know Uh-huh. and, you know, good doctors in Boston. Wow that's a big difference. And I was at one of the big hospitals in New York. Uh-huh. But that's a huge difference just between Uh-huh. you know, and it's two big cities that I think of as somewhat comparable. Oh, yeah, should be. So I was pretty shocked at that. But the other thing that I'm really concerned about, and most companies don't have, some are starting to have, is day care
because it would be really nice to be able to have, you know, someone that could watch my daughter at work. And I'd go to work, and if she were sick I could go down and see her, if she needs to be fed, whatever. And it would be much more convenient. Yeah And I, it would be more convenient, too. It would be more convenient, more productive I think, Oh, yeah. My other daughter works and has, they have to take their two children to day care, you know. Uh-huh. And, uh, it, it's, I don't know how they do it, I really don't. You know, getting them there and then, and going to work, and then picking them up and, all the preparations. And, and your hours are, much more constrained and things like that. Uh-huh, uh-huh. And, that, to me, well, that, you know,
those three things, the health care, vacation, and day care are probably the most important benefits. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. I suppose I should be concerned with life insurance and, uh, retirement plans but, Oh, I don't know, I think those benefits you mentioned, sometimes they're even more important than the wage itself. Yeah. If you can get those benefits even, uh, they, they come out to much, a much better benefit than, than an increase in your wage a lot of times. Right because you're, you know, certainly something like day care at the work place would make life so much simpler that it's worth paying, you know, having a lower salary. Uh-huh. Uh-huh, uh-huh. I would certainly accept a lower salary for that. You know, everything else being equal Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, it would make it a lot better.
because your life would be so much easier. Uh-huh. And there's a question of quality of life also. Uh, well, and if it was there, you would really have a little more, uh, knowledge on what's going on probably, you know, with your child. Yeah. Right, and, you, you, you don't feel like you're a half hour away if she something happened. And, you're less preoccupied with it, I think. Right. Yeah. Right, yeah. But unfortunately, there aren't, I think I B M has started having that in certain locations. I don't know, my daughter, one daughter works for M C I, and they don't, they, where she works they don't have anything like that. Uh-huh. Is that locally? Uh, Pittsburgh. Uh-huh.
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Yeah because Pittsburgh's a big enough city, too. Uh-huh. But you know, I wouldn't be surprised if thing's like that didn't happen more in smaller communities before they happen in bigger ones. Just because people might be more flexible in smaller locations and things like that. Uh-huh. Yeah, Because many times small companies offer better benefits in terms of quality of life than larger companies. Uh-huh. Like, uh, one company had proposed to me that I could come back to work after having the baby, um, any where between ten and forty hours a week. And, um, call my own days, call my own hours, Uh-huh. Oh, so they were very flexible Yeah, and that, that would be great, yeah. and which many times at a large company it's almost impossible to do things like that. Uh-huh, uh-huh. They say you're going to do it this way, and that's the way it's going to be.
Right. Yeah. And if you get two weeks off, you get two weeks off and you're not allowed two weeks and one day. Uh-huh. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it all depends on what your position is there, too. True, well, that's true in any, any company, I think. Yeah. I've, I've never, well I can't say I've never, I've maybe worked five years out of our married life out of the you know, out of the home Uh-huh. Uh-huh. but, uh, the rest of the time I've been an Avon lady and a lady. Was that when you were, um, well, those have its pluses and minuses, too. I've been a consultant recently and so I don't have any benefits at all Uh-huh.
and, Uh-huh, and you have to take care of any benefits you want yourself, yeah. Right, and the same thing my husband is unfortunately being paid as a consultant Uh-huh. and we tried to argue that he should get more salary for that than what he is Uh-huh. and, um, they, they, they, Usually consultants make very good income. Right, and they, they refuse to give him more salary. Is that right? Because they say they can't pay more than this and that, and they're not allowed to pay him more than what his previous salary was and things like that Oh. Uh-huh. and, you know, times are rough now, so it's, new,
it's harder to get the, uh, you know, increases and things Uh-huh. Uh-huh. but, um, A consultant really is, should be more knowledgeable than everybody else, you know Yeah, well he's, so it stands to reason they should really have more benefits. Right, well, he's been doing a long term, he's being called a consultant, and he's really sort of a temporary employee at a place. Uh-huh, uh-huh. And, they, they pay him as a consultant but he doesn't get any health benefits, he doesn't get, well Um. we don't care about retirement benefits. He doesn't get, um, vacation benefits and he does a lot of things that get factored into somebody else's salary.
Uh-huh. Uh-huh. So really his salary should be, you know, twenty percent or thirty percent higher just based on that, not including the fact that you know, it's a less, long term commitment for the company and all that sort of stuff. Uh-huh. Yeah. Uh-huh. Yeah, and they'll do it, Do you or your husband work for T I, or I'm a contract person at T I in fact involved with, uh, Data Switchboard Oh, are you, Oh, I see. Well, that's neat. and, uh, do you work for T I? Uh-huh. Uh-huh. So, I've worked for them for several years, like twelve now, I guess. Oh, you sound very young like just out of college Right,
I try to, I try to think of myself as young, but, uh, well, have you seen any movies recently? Uh, I'm trying to think, we saw, uh, DANCES WITH WOLVES Oh, did you? and, uh, have you seen that one? No, I haven't, I have, have a hard time with movies that are real long. That was excellent. I don't know. Well, so oddly enough, I do too, I get tired of sitting there, and so does my husband, Yeah. but we both just thoroughly, you know enjoyed it, just really liked it Yeah. Well, I've heard a lot of good things about it. and, uh, I'm trying to think, we went to see a, uh, a real funny one,
I can't think now what the name of it was I've gone blank. We saw THE NAKED GUN, TWO AND A HALF Oh, we have not seen that, we want to see that one. and that was, that was pretty funny, and then we saw, what was the spoof on TOP GUN, it's Oh, I haven't seen that one. oh, I can't think of what that was called. We saw that too, I was pretty disappointed in that one. Were you. Yeah, but, uh, so, you know, through the summer, we have small children, so we don't get to see too many, but we've seen I guess two or three movies this past summer. My husband doesn't enjoy the shows as much going to them, he likes to rent them Uh-huh.
and so we watch a lot of them, you know, at home as they come out, Right. and, uh, Have you seen GHOSTS yet? Yes, yes. I really, I enjoyed that movie, Did you? Now I, I was real disappointed Really. I'm a real big Patrick Swayze fan Uh-huh. and, uh, I was really disappointed in it, it one, I don't think it was as funny as what I was anticipating, and I guess I was expecting it to be kind of funny and, uh, and it wasn't you know, at all, Oh, yeah, well, Yeah.
it was, it was more of a love story Yeah, and, uh, so I was really disappointed in that because I like him real well. Uh-huh. We just got through watching one with, uh, uh, is it Claude Van Damme yeah, and, uh, enjoyed it, Uh, Van Damme, yeah, I think, I can't think what the name of it was a, uh, of course, one of the typical you know, kicking, fighting lots of blood and guts and all that type movie, Right. Right. Uh-huh. and, and we enjoyed that, and, uh, the, uh, uh, the one with Jody Foster, did you see it? Oh, SILENCE OF THE LAMBS? Yes. Yes, I did. Wasn't that excellent?
Yeah, I really enjoyed that a lot. Yeah, that was one that, that stayed with me you know, for a month, Uh-huh. I just, I kept thinking about it, you know, Yeah, well, it's amazing, but really, I mean, when you stop and think about it, Anthony Perkins didn't have that big a role in the movie No. and yet it was his character that was so intriguing, Oh, it was excellent, and, and, of course, he's such a, uh, very good actor anyway Yeah. and, I think he made the movie, Yeah, I do too, I really did Yeah,
you know, Jody Foster was good, too, but I think, I think Anthony Perkins was the one that, that really made the movie, I agree with you. Is it Anthony Perkins or Anthony Hopkins? Oh, Hopkins, I'm sorry Hopkins, uh-huh. Hopkins, yeah. I always get those mixed up. I know I know. It, uh, well, I'm not a real big Jody Foster fan, but I thought she was good in that. Well, I well, I haven't been, I'm, I saw her in THE KEYS, and I thought that was a pretty good movie, but I thought she,
Now, I didn't see that one. That was, that was pretty interesting movie, and, uh, but, you know, I, I did, I really liked the SILENCE OF THE LAMBS, that was really intriguing, and it, it didn't scare me all that much, you know, and I, I don't like to go to movies to be scared, that's not why I go No, no so, I like a good suspenseful story, Right, and that one was. and that one very definitely kept you on the edge of the seats, in fact, I want to, uh, rent it when it comes out for my husband to see, because, he didn't Oh, he didn't see it? he won't go see that, no,
Oh. I went with, uh, our daughter and, uh, so, you know, saw it with her, and, uh, enjoyed it. Uh-huh. My all time favorite is WEEKEND AT BERNIE'S. Oh, really? Did you see it? Yeah, I've seen it. Oh, I've seen it, you know, we saw it at the movies, and then we've rented it several times Uh-huh. and, we just love it, in fact we have a ten year old grandson that, he and my husband and I, we just sit there and cackle you know, just get hysterical. Uh-huh. Yeah, I've seen that. It's pretty, it's pretty cute. I guess, you know, as far as comedies go, probably my favorite is YOUNG FRANKENSTEIN.
Uh, yes, yes, I love that movie, My husband liked that Yeah, so, uh, he's a big Gene Wilder fan, Yeah, well, Gene Wilder doesn't do that much for me, but I'm a big, uh, Mel Brooks fan Uh-huh, uh-huh. all his movies, I really, really . He has a new one out. He does? Yeah, uh-huh. Uh, I have seen it advertised. I don't know what the name of it is. Oh, is that the one with, that's he's starring in?
Uh-huh, uh-huh. Oh, yeah, that came out, like early in the summer or something like that. Yes, yes. Yeah, I haven't seen that one either. Yeah, my husband wants to see that one, and, uh, did you see that one that he made years and years ago about the, uh, the sheriff Oh, BLAZING SADDLES. BLAZING SADDLES. Yeah, uh-huh. Oh, that's my husband's all time favorite, I think. Oh, uh-huh. I like, I like that one too, but I thought YOUNG FRANKENSTEIN was better. Did you? Yeah,
that, that was just, you know, had all kinds of things throughout the whole movie, I just really enjoyed it, and, uh, um, I'm trying to think, because we saw another one that we thought was really good, early this summer, that was a suspenseful movie. I'm trying to remember what it was, because it, you know, it's, Okay. All right. Capital punishment. Okay, what's your views on it? Um, for myself, I'm personally against it, but we seem to have a duality of, in this country where most states in theory have it, but, but, but do not use it. Correct. Okay, well, I'm for it. I think there are certain crimes that definitely, uh, call for it. I, I feel like that child molestation and murder I don't see any sense in someone living that does things like that. I, I don't feel like they're a benefit to society in any way,
and of course Texas has it, but they very seldom, you know, put it into effect. So instead all of our prisons are full of people on, you know a lot of people on death row. Okay, well, Uh, Texas uses it as, about as much as any other state. Well, uh, yeah Texas is a big state, which is not very often. Right. Um, here in Maryland to the capital punishment law, people are sometimes sentenced to capital punishment, but no one, no one has, actually has the sentence carried out. Uh, I'd certainly, What do they do, just keep them on death row for the rest of their life. Uh-huh. I think so. Uh-huh. I, uh, or affair number Uh-huh. uh, in fact, I think that, it, it affected the sentence though capital punishment is available, the sentence of life without possibility of parole, uh, has become a common one, and is being, being used much more.
Do you have the overcrowding in your prisons that we are facing down here? Uh, I don't know the exact numbers, but, but yes, prisons are overcrowded. I know that we have, you know, really in fact they're, they're releasing people, uh, that are in there for, you know, not major crimes, but, uh robberies and assault and things like that, and, because they don't have room, which then they're coming back on the streets and of course, doing it again, and um, you know, so we're having problems in, in that way, and I know that there are some cases that, uh, you know, capital punishment does not fit the crime, and there are extenuating circumstances on certain types, um, but I have to say that I'm honestly for it Um. uh, almost that eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. Okay, you're, you're certainly in the majority uh, at least in this country. Yes. Uh, we are, I guess, the only one of the major Western nations currently with capital punishment. I know they use it very, um, they do not have it in Europe, as I understand. No, at least not in Western Europe.
Probably not in Eastern Europe these days either. Um, there are many reasons for it, but they, they certainly have lower crime rates and lower murder rates. Yes, you wonder what their, you know, how they manage to do that. Well, in part it's, uh, it's the nature of societies, perhaps more homogenous society, in many cases, uh, arguably, if arguably is because of, of, uh, of, uh, welfare state benefits. Though I tend to be, we tend to be skeptical. Well, England has, uh, don't they have a large, fairly large welfare? Yes, oh there's no question that, that they, that, uh, you know, they have, you know, all kinds of cradle to grave, uh, programs, welfare programs providing for everyone some way. I, I, I, however the question is is that making the difference. Oh, I, I don't know. But we have a lot of welfare programs and Oh. if both do and they tend to have less crime, you wonder if that has anything to do with it then, you know, or is it,
in our society, people are brought up over here thinking that, you know, everybody owes them something. Um, I think, I think that idea is even, even more common in Western Europe. Oh, do you? Uh-huh. Well, that's interesting. I would not have, I would not have said that. I would have said that it was more prevalent here in the United States. That's an interesting theory. I'm not that familiar, you know, I've only been over there a couple of times and I'm not that familiar with, that, Me, too. all I know is that, for instance we were in Germany in, uh, Okay. Why don't you go ahead and start. Okay, well, we subscribe to PEOPLE magazine and to TIME, and, of course I like the PEOPLE magazine because it's gossipy and it's fast reading, Uh-huh. and, uh, the TIME of course, is, uh, you know, more newsworthy
and, uh, it has more world affair type things, of course. And then I will purchase a GOOD HOUSEKEEPING occasionally, especially around the holiday time because of recipes and ideas and and things like that Uh-huh. Uh-huh. and, uh, do you subscribe to any magazines? Yeah, I, well, I have, in a for a while I haven't gotten any because I just find that I'm not reading what I'm getting because, uh, I have so much going on in my life that seems to be the last thing I pick up, so I found that I was wasting my money. As much as I enjoy them, uh, when I do subscribe I, I've gotten in the past the PARENTS magazine and, uh, the HOUSEKEEPING magazine Uh-huh uh. you probably have smaller children younger children. Yes, yeah, My children, our children are grown Yeah, yeah, and, uh, I'm letting their mother read on the grandchildren Right,
well, I found that after a couple of years of having a PARENTS magazine it was getting repetitious, so I kind of canceled it anyway for that reason. Uh, the HOUSEKEEPING magazines I do like because they, like you say, they have nice, uh, recipes in them and ideas, but, uh, lately they've just been piling up on me, so I figured it wasn't, uh, something I needed at this point in time. Well, do you think that people subscribe to magazines as much as they used to? I don't know, I, I, well, my husband would love to have more. Now he's the type who will get the, uh, INC. magazine and MONEY magazine and all the financial type magazines, Yes, now my husband does that, and Yeah, you know, and of course, uh, naturally WALL STREET JOURNAL, you know and, or SPORTS ILLUSTRATED, Uh-huh, but I don't know, I know a few people leafing through them at the store but you just don't hear people talk about them, and I know years ago, when, uh, my children were young and stuff, I just loved LADIES HOME JOURNAL, McCALL'S, GOOD HOUSEKEEPING, and I took them all
Uh-huh. and, uh, then, oh, I don't know what in the seventies, maybe, late seventies they changed their format Uh-huh. and I haven't, I don't think there's been a magazine as they used to be Well even GOOD HOUSEKEEPING I don't, yeah, and some of those have had what, what I consider or what I get the idea that they are maybe the, the more pricier type magazines, as far as women's magazines. They seem just to be so chocked full of, of ads. Oh, they are. My sister, uh, takes, uh, TOWN AND COUNTRY and VOGUE Uh-huh. and she sends them to me, and there's really nothing in them but advertisements for very expensive clothes, very expensive jewelry things that the average middle class citizen is not going to be purchasing Yeah, yeah, Yes.
Right you know, and if I want to drool or if I want to see how the other half is living you know, then I can, I look through them Yes. Yeah. and I do, I just, what I do is I flip through them and, and pitch them then, you know, they're not something I, you know, take any length of time over. Uh-huh, uh-huh. I have discovered that, you know, with my available time, I would rather actually read a book than a magazine. Yes I enjoy books a lot more Yes that's true. and, uh. Well So, but. now I have certainly stopped subscribing as much as I used to, other than my children have gotten.
You know, they get tons of magazines it seems Yes they're always getting something in the mail and, and, uh, so between reading to them and, uh, reading the newspaper, and then I have a book that I'm occasionally reading when I get a chance, but I just don't get a chance for those, uh, newsy magazines, the ones that are full of ads, unless you just want to skim through while you're, I, I read them when I'm at a doctor's office or, you know, waiting on something like that. Yes, yes, I will read them in a doctor's office, too. Yeah, As I said, I, I subscribe to, uh, to PEOPLE and to TIME, and, uh, and I will go through the TIME, but, usually not cover to cover, you know, I'll glance through it. I like reading, uh, you know, the PASSAGE OF PEOPLE or something you know, Uh-huh, uh-huh. and, uh, but I do like the PEOPLE magazine. It, it reminds me of the old time movie magazines when I was young
Oh, uh-huh. and, uh, that's one, and you know, I really like that, I enjoy that. It's quick reading you know, Uh-huh. it doesn't require a lot of thinking, and sometimes after I've worked all day and have things to do at night, I just, I want fluff Yeah. Uh-huh, uh-huh. I don't want a lot of thinking That's true, that kind of is a good way to do it. It, uh, you know, it's, it's much more relaxing. Sometimes when I read TIME magazine, after I've read an article I'm real depressed over the situation of the world so. Well, it seems like we both kind of agree on the subject of magazines Yeah, yeah. and, uh Okay.
so, uh, I think that probably I will end the call. I've enjoyed, Okay. Um, I very seldom read a newspaper. I get most of my news information from T V. Mainly, um, if I'm really wanting an in-depth thing I'll watch C N N. Uh-huh. And I find it one of the best. Uh-huh. And, uh, otherwise it's just one of the regular, uh, channels eight or five. Uh-huh. And, uh, where do you get yours? Uh, mostly from T V too. I usually start watching the news at five and watch it at five thirty and six sometimes and, and then again at ten maybe just the headlines. Uh-huh. Um, we do take the DALLAS MORNING NEWS and, uh, once in a while I'll sit down and read, read it, you know, but not very often do I read the whole thing. Quite often just scan through the headlines and,
Uh-huh. Well, I take the DALLAS MORNING NEWS and, and my husband, uh, he reads it cover to cover. Uh-huh. And, uh, if he thinks there's something that I need to know about he'll say, you know, here you need to read this and, uh I don't know Uh-huh. it, I kind of quit reading it, oh, I don't know several years ago when the kids were teenagers. It just seems like I was so busy all the time, and if I wanted to read, I wanted to read something light and relaxing and and, uh, things like that Yeah. and so I and it got so depressing Yeah Seems like it wasn't anything but bad news Yeah. If there's something, you know, that I want to know more about or might be the Killeen murders. I've been kind of intrigued.
I guess it's kind of the sadist in everyone You just, Yes, yes. I, I will pick up if there's something really gruesome in there I'll go through and read it. Uh, but I find that I do better with, oh, remembering it and everything if I watch, uh, the T V you know, Yeah. and, and they kind of capsize it and everything Yeah. and watch, and I think sometimes it's, you know maybe a little biased, you know Right. Oh, yeah. and sometimes. You don't, you get the sensationalism as opposed to just pure facts. Yeah. That's true. You know. I wanted a little more detail like, you know, they would tell more about the people that were killed, where they were from and how old they were.
And I guess you just, you know, you you just want to know and with interest, you know I found some people that were members of our church which was different. And that made you even feel a little more kin to, to what was going on. Well, you know, of the same, same type of church that we belong to. Oh, the same type of church. Uh-huh. Uh-huh, uh-huh. Yeah, so that made it a little more and that they were from Utah also so. Oh, uh-huh, uh-huh. So that was interesting, but I enjoy the news. I, I think our seven year old even once in a while will sit down and watch it with us, Uh-huh. so. I used to, uh, or I didn't used to
but, uh No. when my grandchildren had, uh, have stayed over before and even maybe when our kids were younger one of the channels used to give brief inserts of news at a child's level. Uh-huh. And I thought that was very interesting, and I thought that was very important for kids. Like they brought down something that had happened like if there was something going on, uh, in the war, they would bring it down to a child's level in words you know, that they could understand what was going on. Huh. Uh-huh. And, uh, I noticed that my grandchildren seemed to kind of enjoy that. The oldest one he's nine Right. and, uh, he would particularly enjoy this been a couple of years ago. Yeah. And, uh, I thought, I think that's really interesting. Actually I even understood it better Yeah, that's nice sometimes when they they pull it down a little bit like that. Yeah
Yeah, you know. And, uh, but as I said, uh, I you know, Right. Nobody should get that way about the news. And what's going on in the world. Right. Oh, do you have a certain station you like to watch when you watch it or, Yes. We like channel eight. Do you? We like it. It's the best. Um, channel five for some reason has always been the one I watch. Is that been your favorite? Uh-huh. I, I don't know it's probably the anchors. They just kind of catch you. I don't, I don't know. Yeah,
I very and I thought it was very interesting, uh, channel nine watching it when the murders were in Killeen Uh-huh. and, and going on. They were having news coverage and, The C N N, is that what that is? No, it was channel nine. Huh. And, you know they have that hour that nine to ten of an evening. Oh. And so we had the T V on and we were trying to catch all of it, and they were showing some and I was watching, my husband and I were watching it, and then we switched over to channel eight, and the difference in coverage was unbelievable.
Yeah. I can understand why channel eleven is, uh, you know, why they're kind of behind. Yeah. Did I say channel nine to begin with? Yeah That's why I wondered. No Okay. No, channel eleven I meant. I don't get that channel Yeah. I was thinking nine to ten. Yeah, yeah. But channel eleven, That is if you, if you want to go to bed early it's nice to, to, to watch that early news sometimes, Uh-huh. so. It, uh,
but the coverage wasn't near as good as when we, you know, switched over to channel eight and they didn't Okay, would you, uh, like to begin or would you like me to start? Uh, oh, I can start. Okay. I, I think one of the, the biggest, uh, improvements in women is that finally you're starting to see them get into, uh, management Yes. and you're seeing them, uh, get, uh, elected to, uh, political offices. Uh, not near enough. Uh-huh. I know there's still a long way to go especially in top management Yes, I agree. You're not seeing, you know, looking at T I, you see them in management, but you're not seeing them up there as V P Right. And I have a sister that's an attorney in Oklahoma City, and I know the company that she was with, uh, the women didn't have near the positions, the levels that the men attorneys had. And were not, uh, given the same respect. Right.
I agree with that. I, I think you do see more and more women out there in politics, too, as mayors or, uh, you know, in, in helping to maybe, uh, get some legislation passed to, to have women have more rights. Yes. I think still, even with that whole, um, thing with Judge Thomas and, and, uh, you, you still felt like the woman was the one that you would maybe discredit first before the man or something the way they had the trial and uh, I just think that it's, it's still going to take another generation or so before, before the women really, could really feel that they're really equal in the business world and that they work just as hard or harder Uh-huh, uh-huh. Right, right. Uh, but it's still, uh, going from, from homemakers into, uh, corporate leaders is still a big step. Right, I also think that, uh, uh, women as homemakers are beginning to get more respect than they used to be. Used to be people would say, do you work, and you'd say, no, I work in the home and Right. it was, it was, then it was almost like a put down, particularly, particularly even by women in the work force. But, I think now, I think people are realizing that the roles women play in the home are very, very important. Yes.
And it's getting the respect and, which is about time. I think it's true. I think also people are having children at a older age Yes, very definitely. so it's maybe like, uh, you know, you go through college and then you maybe work for a few years and then you have your first child and, uh, you know, you, you know both sides of the coin. That's right. You know what it's like and how much work it takes to keep the house running smoothly, and to take care of the kids. And, and then, uh, maybe people that are just working and think, oh, you just stay at home. But then when they're in their thirties and have their first and second kid, it's like, they lose it Right. They say, wow! This is harder than I thought Yes Well, you know. And, and, to those that have never worked and had, you know, and have stayed home with the kids, kind of does your heart good
I know it, I know. Because I know I stayed home with mine and didn't start working until mine were in high school. Uh-huh. And, uh, so, you know, it, it kind of does me good. I think also one of the things that, that's really tremendous and, it doesn't necessarily have to do with women, but the fact that the fathers are so involved with families. Are so involved. Yes. Which, again, I think it helps a woman's role. Right, right. You know, Their role has to change to kind of accommodate us, too. Uh-huh, uh-huh. I know, I have three children and my oldest is eleven and I've pretty much been home, uh, since Brian was born and, uh, just recently I went back to work, uh, last school semester to tutor, uh, high school age students with learning disabilities
and I was just out of the house two days a week Uh-huh. but, I thought, wow, this is really hard, only, and it was only two days and I was home before three. But getting the baby to day care, getting the kids off to school, I still did everything I always do, you know, my husband still got up and went to work Uh-huh. but, uh, it, it, only those two, it made a big difference. I thought, wow, full time, I don't think I could swing that personally. Well, I had to, course, I work full time, but my daughter and her husband were out of town so I had my grandchildren for four days during, uh, football, soccer season Oh. Oh, boy.
and so I would work and her, some friends would take care of the kids, but I would have to get them picked up from there get them fed, get them to practices get homework done, get baths. Pick up. Dinner. Right. I was absolutely exhausted. I bet, I bet. And, and these women that are waiting until they're in their late thirties, or early forties to have their first children, I think are absolutely crazy. Well, I, I know a lot of people, I know I had my first child when I was twenty-five, and that's not considered really young these days, that's almost, you know Uh-huh. but, uh, I have friends that, that have kids just starting kindergarten and they're, they're forty years old. And, and then like maybe a two year old at home, and I think, boy, I, I'm, I'm in my Okay,
do we just go ahead? Uh-huh. Okay. Do you want to start? Uh, well, we're supposed to talk about vacations Right. and, uh, I'm trying to think of the ones that I've been on that I liked the most and probably the one I liked most was Hawaii Oh, did you get to go to Hawaii? Yes. Yeah, we went there for our twenty-fifth wedding anniversary. It's lovely, isn't it? Yes. We went, uh, six months after we were married. Uh-huh. And we just went to, uh, two islands. What islands did you go to? We went to Oahu and Kauai. Kauai,
uh-huh. We went to Kauai, and then we also hit Maui, and then, of course, uh The big one. uh, the big one, uh-huh. Oh. With, uh, the big one I thought was very commercialized. Oh, yeah. It was. But the other two were just lovely. Yes, I enjoyed Kauai better, too. Uh-huh, it was quiet and restful, and, and so beautiful. It wasn't commercialized. Oh, it was rainy Yeah was it?
Rainy, but, you know, we don't like to spend the money to go over there and sit on the beach anyway so, That's right. Well, it wasn't real rainy. We had a few showers, but, uh, nothing that really got in the way with anything and just very brief ones and, and, when, uh, now we went to Nassau and my husband liked it better than he did Hawaii. Oh, really? Uh-huh. Oh. Yeah, he really did. I don't know why. You know, he didn't like Oahu at all He thought Uh-huh. Oh. Did you go there?
Uh-huh. That was wonderful Yeah. and we both enjoyed it very much. That was That was nice, uh-huh. You know, I've been to Nassau, too. Have you? I went on a cruise. Oh, neat. Uh-huh, and, uh, to tell you the truth, I, I think I'd rather just go to the island. Yeah, uh, our son and daughter-in-law just, uh, they got married last January and they won a cruise. And I know they didn't like it. Now, we have several friends that, uh, have been on, and just love them. But James and I like, I don't know, I think we would get bored on the boat all the time. Well, I, got sick.
Oh, did you? Yeah, I did the first night. I went with my sister just, uh, a couple years ago Ooh. Uh-huh. and, and we both, the first night, just had to leave dinner. Um. It was bad, but, and then after that it was, it got better, but we just, it was a four day Uh-huh. and we were both ready to get off the boat. Were you? Yeah. Well, I think if we ever go, it will only be for a three day. Now we've been real lucky. We've been to Europe twice. Oh, have you?
Yeah. We went, the first time we went to London, Europe and touched a little bit of Scotland And second time we went to Munich, Germany and were there a week, and loved Germany. Oh. It is just absolutely gorgeous with the mountains Wow. I'll bet it is. and we were there in the fall before the snows, you know, started and it was wonderful. It, uh it was just, it was marvelous. Oh. And we would love to go back there and we'd love to go back to London. You haven't been to Spain? No Oh. have not been to Spain. I was born there. Were you? Yes
How old were you when you left? Uh, just ten months. Oh, ten months, uh-huh. Yeah, so, Have you ever got to go back? No, no, and I would like to. Would you? My, uh, my sister, we went with them to Germany and, uh, she would like to go to Spain. I'm not sure whether I would like to or not. Huh. And, uh, I would like to go to Ireland. Would you? Uh-huh. Now, now I don't know if I'd like to go there just from the the problems.
Well, the there is uh-huh, is, is a little scary, but I would still like to see it. I'd like to see, uh, Italy. Oh, yeah, yeah. I would love to go there. That would be nice. And, course, there is a lot of places in the United States I still want to come, you know, go to. Now, have you been to Yellowstone? Uh, Yellowstone, Yes, yes. Have you? We have been there. We, I was there as a child and then we, we went to California and came back through Yellowstone with our kids. Uh-huh.
And they loved it. Well, I was in Utah, in Salt Lake City when I was a, uh, youngster. Oh, uh-huh. So, uh, you know, I've touched on that. Yeah, now I'm just about, oh, a half hour, uh, north of Salt Lake. Oh. So, uh, it's at Yeah. my husband works in Salt Lake, so Uh-huh. we're real close and, yeah, we, Now that's a pretty city. Yes, we, we like it. Very clean. You know.
Yeah. It is. Utah is a pretty state from what I remember of it. Well, we kind of like it Uh-huh Well, do you like to camp, those kind of trips? We, no, we used to We used to camp a lot with our Uh-huh. Oh, you like the motels? We like the motels, yes Oh, oh, well. We have, we've gone past the camping stage. We lived in Chattanooga, Tennessee for two years. Oh, did you? And we did a lot of camping out there in the Smokeys and it was beautiful
and our kids loved it and everything and then we moved to, uh, uh, the Dallas area Uh-huh. and, uh, it's hot down here and camping is not near as much fun. Oh. And, uh, so, and then the kids were getting older and, and were involved in activities so the camping sort of went by the wayside. And, uh, although our son loves to fish Huh. and, uh, and our daughter and her husband are talking now about starting camping with their boys now that they have gotten older. Uh-huh. So I've been concerned about crime lately. Uh-huh. Uh, it's really scary to listen to the news every night and to hear about all the problems. Uh-huh. I wondered if you were taking any special precautions in your neighborhood? Well, I, I think we have a neighborhood watch Uh-huh. I think. I'm not real, we don't get real involved.
We're never home, so Uh-huh uh, uh, well, I know they were going to start one, but, uh, I haven't heard any more since, so I don't really know. But as far as personally doing something, no. No, um. How about you? Well we moved in, when we moved in, there, there wasn't any outside lights and so we've been trying to install some, uh, outside lights Uh-huh. and we put up a fence in the backyard. Uh-huh. Mostly, you know, not so much thinking that we would deter someone to break in, but that our children would be safe playing in the yard. You know. Yeah. Yeah. Huh. And I guess most of the crime that I'm concerned about generally is against my kids. To let them go play with someone and because of what you hear about people getting picked up and everything Oh, I'm sure it is.
Uh-huh. Uh-huh. and so I have to spend a good deal of time watching them walk down the street and, say, call me before you leave and come back Uh-huh. and, We don't have any. We did install a, a a, uh, motion detector light back in our driveway. Uh-huh. And that was, mainly it was so when we pulled up, the light would come on, but also we have a boat back there Uh-huh. and we have neighborhood kids that like to get into mischief, so we thought with that light, you know, it would maybe keep them from doing something to the boat Yeah so, Well, we've been real lucky that, I don't believe there's been, you know, much trouble in our neighborhood, but it but it does seem there, that there is a lot more here in Plano of, uh, just bored teenagers Uh-huh.
Yeah, yeah, that's Vandalism. what it is. We live in, Coppell and, and that's pretty much what it is, is you know, kids that are bored, like you say. Uh-huh. Yeah, and they don't, uh, I know my sister-in-law who lives in our neighborhood they've had their, Uh-huh. they parked their car out on the street before and it's been spray painted and a few things like that Oh, no. and, course, you know, I don't know I'm getting scared for kids to get older, because you don't know if it's someone their teenagers know who, and, or is it just random crime, Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
but, uh, we've been real lucky that no one in my family with the, anywhere that they live has had, been a victim of, you know, a serious crime. Yeah, yeah. But, uh, it's really scary to know that you can live a normal life and try to be a good citizen but it doesn't mean you'll be safe Uh-huh. and, But, I guess I take a lot of, uh, little bit of, uh, safety in knowing that a lot of the crimes that they report are, like drug related or uh, things that, Uh-huh, places usually that I wouldn't be going. And things I usually wouldn't be involved in. Uh-huh, uh-huh. Yeah. And, uh, there's not so much of it completely innocent victims compared to, Yeah. but it is scary. Yeah, it is. Were you raised in this area? Really is Yeah. I'm originally from Chicago, but I've been in this area, in the Lewisville area for, uh, let's see, about twenty-three years.
Uh-huh. So, has it been getting worse that you noticed, or about the same? Oh definitely. Um. In the last few years, I think, and, uh, like I say, now I don't think necessarily in this area here, but just Dallas in general. Uh-huh. I don't know, I think back of when I was, uh, younger and in my party days, some of the things I did, you know, I wouldn't be caught dead, like, being out that late at night. Right. In the dark parking lot Right. Take a lot of chances. Well, I noticed that, uh, that, uh, when we, we moved here from Houston not too long ago. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. And so, of course, we were interested in schools Uh-huh.
and, uh, but the schools in Houston all have big, tall fences around them and they're not really very safe Uh-huh. and so it's been interesting to come to the Plano area where the schools don't have fences at all around them, and it's just a whole different idea that, that, at least the people here feel that their kids are pretty safe at school. Uh-huh. And in Houston that there was the mentality that they weren't safe at school. Huh. And so that's been something that's been good for the, you know, in this area that you feel like, uh, you know, there's not going to be too many knifings or shootings at school today. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. And I guess, I don't know how people live with that every day. Um. I don't either. Pretty scary. Yeah, um. But, anyway, well, I guess I won't take up more of your Well, I am new to Texas, so I don't even know what the law is, in the state,
Uh-huh? do you? Well, yes, of course, we do have capital punishment. And we've, you know, done away with our, quote, fair share number. Oh, that's right, I think now, that I recall, reading about it in the paper. Yes. Um, you know, different things, is it restricted to certain crimes? Or just, Yes, it's certain crimes, uh, capital crimes, murder, of course, uh, rape, this sort of thing. Uh-huh. Um. Well. It seems to be a disproportionate number of blacks, you know, that get into the system. Yes, I know, the one thing that I think is really sad about it, as I recall, from the articles that I've read, is that if, if people who have been there, are going to be killed. Um, there's people that come to the prisons and they're very violent and, they want,
I mean they're anxious for someone to be killed Uh-huh. Yes. I just, I can't see that. That happens on occasion, it sure does, maybe it just depends on, you know, how closely the crime, you know, has affected you personally. Uh-huh. You know, I don't know, or a person personally. No. I think I would be, you know, I guess, really if I had to say yes or no, I guess I would say, you know, that I am in certain cases, in favor of the death penalty, I don't know that it's a big deterrent really. I don't know that it is. I don't know how we'd ever find out, you know, really whether it is or not. Well, there is so many chances for appeal, that it Oh, yeah, oh, absolutely,
yeah, it goes on for years and years, and costs hundreds of thousands of dollars, taxpayer money. it's really sad. Yeah. I don't know, I just think, um, somehow I hoped that as a people we could be better than, than, um, expecting, the feeling that it Yes. with, someone is calling for someone else to be killed, you know. Is really kind of bad Yes it is. It's a tough, tough question. It really is. I suspect I would be, uh, you know, a lot more favor of it if, you know, one of my children were, you know, brutally killed, or something like that. Like I say, I think it depends on how personally affected, you know, you might be by it. and there really are criminals that are hard-core and, repeat, and never have any chance for, Oh, absolutely. that's right.
Oh, I don't know, is it, do you feel at all like, it's a religious issue? Not with me personally. It is with a lot of other people. Uh-huh. It's not, not to me personally, no. Um. No. I don't know, sometimes I feel, I mean I do go to church and things. I don't know how I would feel about it. But like you say, if it hit you personally, closer at home you would feel, feel differently. Uh-huh. Yes. That's a, it's a tough, tough question, it really is. Do you think most states have that

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