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So, so he had to have a work visa there. Yeah. Oh. And of course they had a lot of musicians from, from other countries and, uh, in the Mexico City Symphony. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. But I think, um, like three out of the four other people in the trumpet section are from Mexico now. Oh, really. But I think the conductor, I don't know, or one of the conductors is, is from another country. Uh-huh. It's like any other symphony. Yeah You know, and then, and Eduardo Mana's from Mexico so he had to, Well, I, um, I haven't really lived in a lot of big cities. I mean, I'm living in Dallas now. Plano is outside of Dallas, but, um, so I don't really have a lot of experience with air pollution. Huh-uh. But, I know when I lived down in Houston, on the outskirts of Houston, there were some towns like Pasadena that had oil refineries,
Huh-uh. And, um, if you would drive by there, like on your way to the beach or something, there would just be dumping this huge amounts of smoke, into the air Huh-uh. Huh-uh. and it always smelled really bad. We know that, that was really, really, really bad for the atmosphere. What have you got up there? Well, I, I live out in the country, Huh-uh. so that part is good. Uh, we're maybe one hundred miles from Pittsburgh, which has a lot of pollution from their plants, Huh-uh. and right now in our area were fighting against a toxic waste incinerator. sp: we're Oh, no. And, uh, it won't be too for from where we live. sp: far And everybody really has been, you know, fighting against it, because we, we do not want it. Well, we don't want one any place Sure. we would like the, uh, industry to do more to take care of the waste products before they turn to incineration, because we feel that, uh, the small percentage that they're going to be putting into the air is too much. Huh-uh.
Yeah. It's just, I mean, it's just so bad that there is just so much going into the air and, and the little bit you say that there putting in here and there, and everywhere, it all adds up. *there they're Huh-uh. Plus all the problems in the Middle East. With all that smoke and, Oh, that has to be terrible over there. Yeah. So it's just, um, why are we doing this to ourselves Huh-uh. I just don't know, but, um, I, you know, what really amazes me about, like that Pasadena area and the oil refineries, is that there would be houses and people living just really close to it. Huh-uh. Yeah. I mean, between the freeway and the oil refinery, you would see a neighborhood. Huh-uh. and you just thought, well, it's obvious that there's a lot going up in the air there, and what comes up, must come down Yeah. Yeah.
Breathing it, we're breathing it all the time. Yes. And, and how, if they have all of those, um, toxicity, I mean, it, there's signs around saying how dangerous it is and here you are living ... Huh-uh That just doesn't make too much sense. No. And I figure we're paying to take care of this toxic waste, no matter who does it. and they have shown, some of the industries have been real good at, uh, uh, doing their part in, uh, reducing the amount that they have, *sd Huh-uh. Huh-uh. Uh, they've reused some of it, uh, it can be recycled, a lot of their things, Huh-uh. and that they've shown, that it, uh, to begin with, apparently it does cost more, Huh-uh. but, once they get started, it's really, it saves them money in the end, and it cuts down on the end product that has to be dealt with some other way. Huh-uh. And if they would all,
that's what, that's what we want done. Is, we want industry to take, you know, more responsibility in taking care of it. Well, um, individual companies and things are so selfish, Huh-uh. And their desires to save a few dollars and, and that they don't care about the environmental impact, that they make. Huh-uh. they're greedy. It's money, is what is. It's, it's the money Yes. They're making fantastic amounts on these things and, uh, even the incinerator, the money and the income that they're going to make off this, is, you know, just astronomical. Huh-uh. Well, have you ever visited, um, like Los Angeles or any place that's ever, it's kind of known, that it has, uh, pollution in it's air? We've never been, we went as far as, as, uh, like Las Vegas, and Yellow Stone Park, Huh-uh. Huh-uh. We did go, we should have gone the whole way over,
but we didn't. But, I understand that, we have an aunt that lives out there and, When she was visiting here, she would look up at the stars Huh-uh. and she said how wonderful it was to be able to look into the sky and see some of the things that she saw. Huh-uh. She said they couldn't see those things out there, because of the smog and everything. Huh-uh. That's so awful. Well, what about in New York. I guess you've gone that way, maybe. No. Never been in New York I don't want to go there Pretty funny. Have you been there? Well, I've been to New York. I have relatives that direction. Oh.
We have, it's, um, is it close to Phoenixville, Pennsylvania? Um, no, I never heard of that one. Because I have family there and, We're near Pittsburgh, Clarion University. Oh, huh-uh. It's pretty neat. It's, it's kind of northwest part of Pennsylvania. That's beautiful country up that way. I know, it's, um, very lush and pretty, Up in the, back in the east. It's really, Are you a young person? Well, I'm thirty-one. Thirty-one. You're, you're young Seems kind of old to me.
No, you're young. You have a lot of life yet, and, and these, we have some people who say, well, this isn't going to affect me, this air pollution, Huh-uh. uh, older people, or they think they're far enough away from something, that it's, Huh-uh. and they don't realize these things are going to affect everybody. And if you're older it's not going to affect you that way. You have grandchildren, you have children, uh, Yes. Nieces, nephews, whatever, friends. Uh, everybody is going to be affected by it. That's really true. And we all, you know, need to be willing to help pay a little bit. Like, I've heard some people, uh, grumble about their, uh, cars passing their emission tests, and things, Huh-uh.
and how they've had to, how it's more expensive and things. Huh-uh. And I thought, well, it's so much better. They say it has really made a difference, though. Huh-uh. Now, see, we don't have that here, yet. Oh, you don't. No, we don't have that testing in that down here, yet. Huh-uh. But they, I have read that, that, that it has really helped where the problem is greater, where the population is greater, Huh-uh. and that it has made a difference. Well, I really think it must. I think every, I mean, well, think about how many automobiles there are. Huh-uh. Huh-uh. And each is putting out,
like we have a car, an older, one of our cars is an older car, Huh-uh. and every time you start it, from the tail pipe, it makes a black spot, on the cement, Huh-uh. Huh-uh. And you know that, that is a sign. Something is coming out, yeah. Yeah. And that's, all cars are doing that. Yeah. And it's really polluting the air. Yeah. If you have to put a price on it. Which is more valuable, life or paying a little more. Huh-uh. And it's also, it's causing of lot of the real terrible suffering like cancer, and things, Huh-uh. Huh-uh. We sure wouldn't want, so much more people suffering from that.
Huh-uh. Yeah. And like I said, I think you have to pay for it no matter what you do you with it, because it's industry. We're paying industry to make the products and, we're helping pay for there making these end products that are, toxic waste. Huh-uh. Huh-uh. Then, we have to pay for them to pay somebody to carry it away someplace, then they put it in the dump some place and they find out, well, this dump doesn't work so we have to clean this up and move it someplace else. We end up paying for it again. Now we're going to end up paying for it again by having it burned in these large incinerators. Huh-uh. And we're paying to have our air polluted and our water streams polluted. Pretty sad. Or the, where they want to put, the one area they want to put the incinerator is right in the middle of the Clarion, the two water sheds that feed Clarion river. Oh, no. And, you know, it just boggles our mind that they can consider even putting it there, because, if that water gets contaminated, it will go on down to Pittsburgh.
Huh-uh. It will, you know, it affects so many people. Huh-uh. And it's just hard to think that they could allow them to do things like this. No. No. It's scary Huh-uh. It's scary. It really is. Huh-uh. It's really awful. Well, I've really enjoyed the conversation. It's helped me to think more about some issues that I need to be thinking more about It is really a concern. Huh-uh. Huh-uh. And it's, instead of waiting until it directly affects me, like you say, it's important to be involved ahead of time. Well, you have a good day. Well, you, too.
Thank you. Huh-uh. Bye-bye. Bye. Uh-huh, I have got two. One is, uh, two and the other one's four and, uh, this is my first year of staying home. I've always had them in child care. Oh, well, then you are familiar with it? Uh-huh. Okay, I, uh, I have grandchildren and I know, uh, one has gone to a, well, two of them have gone to preschool. Uh-huh. And I know what the experience my daughter has faced with that. Why don't you tell me what you have found. Well, uh, the, with our second sitter, the first one didn't quite work out, there were some things going on that I wasn't really happy with
and so I felt that, that I need to move on with them and so I found another baby-sitter and she was wonderful except I thought that there were too many in the home and it just seemed like it was so hard to find, uh, really good child care. She was wonderful, it's just that I felt that there were too many in the home. It was in home child care. Okay, Okay, so it was in home child care. You took them to someone's home? Uh-huh. Well, both times? Uh-huh, right. Uh-huh. And, uh, and then I worked in, in the child care centers and I wasn't really happy with the particular one that I was working in so I just always had a fear about, you know, child care centers. Oh, uh-huh.
And then I just decided that I was just missing a lot of their time whether they were so little and, and I couldn't get off of work as often as I wanted to when they were ill so I just decided it was probably best just to stay home for a while until they were a little more, uh, independent and, uh, I could go back to work. I know that in raising my children, uh, I was fortunate, I didn't have to work, we didn't necessarily have a lot of things Yeah That's how it's going now. But, uh, and, I know my daughter, because she has three Uh-huh. I mean it's so expensive. Oh, yeah. You have to really make a lot of money. Yeah. And I'm glad that she gets to stay home so that she can then participate with what's going on in their life. Yeah. Uh, bosses don't always seem to understand getting off to go to Christmas programs in the middle of the day or something. Oh, no,
yeah. You know, and I know that one of the day cares and it's a, a well-known chain, uh, she was not at all happy with. It was, there was too many children per person. They were just kind of left to play, there was no structure to, and the middle grandson went there as a, uh, like a preschool thing. Uh-huh. She was wanting him actually to start getting a certain amount of, of learning and training and stuff. Not just there, you know, so he went like, uh, I think he went, well, five mornings a week, if I remember correctly. Wow. And, uh, you know, and it was supposed to be a base, you know, starting to learn the colors and, and learning to associate with children so that when he went to, you know, school and stuff, Uh-huh. Uh-huh. and, uh, she was most unhappy with it. Huh. There was no structure, there was nothing to it. You know, and, uh, she pulled him out of that one and put him in a, another one that was excellent.
It was, it was like a little kindergarten. Uh-huh. And, uh, they had hot lunches and, and they had classes that, you know, one class they'd do art. They even familiarized the children with computers. Oh. Uh, it was just, it was really a very excellent one. Uh-huh. And how old was he? He's now five and a half. He's in kindergarten. Oh. This was last year. Uh-huh. And, uh, so, you know, it helped him and, and the first one, uh, he went to a, uh, church preschool that was very good. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. The Methodist Church in Richardson. Oh. The big one
and it was a excellent, they, very good. My little boy goes to the Methodist, uh, in Garland. Oh, does he? Uh-huh. I'm real happy with that one. Yeah, they, uh, the church ones, church ones seem to be very well run. Well, I've, I've heard that the Methodist ones are excellent. Oh, really? Uh-huh. Even the even the Mother's Day Out programs, I heard, are real good. Oh. I had, uh, I just assumed that most churches, going by, you know experience there, that, you know, that they were good. Yeah. I I didn't know that, uh, you know, Uh-huh. I'm not that familiar. I just know that, you know, First United Methodist of Richardson was just a great program. Uh-huh.
Yeah, because this is First United Methodist in Garland that he goes to Uh-huh. and I'm real happy with that. Yeah, it's a pretty good size church, too, isn't it? Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Yeah. So, Well, are you enjoying staying home? Well, that's a, Yes, I am Uh, I taught for Richardson School District Oh, uh-huh. and, uh, I taught early childhood and I really enjoyed it, but it was just, it was taking a lot of my time and I noticed I was spending less and less time with them and it just seemed like they were sick more often
Uh-huh. and I just couldn't get the time off to, so, Well, isn't it very hard to teach young children and then come home and deal with young children. And have enthusiasm. Yeah, it is. It really is. Yeah, it really is. And I felt, Okay, uh, could you tell me what you think contributes most to, uh, air pollution? Well, it's hard to say. I mean, while it's certainly the case that things like automobiles and factories, uh, pollute a lot, uh, if you look at how much pollution is say kicked up by an active volcano, uh, it's certainly less than clear that anything man can do in this sort of scale of things has much effect at all. What do you think? Um, well, you talked about, uh, volcanos. I'm not sure how many active volcanos there are now, and, and what the amount of material that they do, uh, put into the atmosphere. I think probably the greatest cause is, uh, vehicles, especially around cities. Uh-huh. Um, uh, do you live right in the city itself?
No, I'm more out in the suburbs, but I certainly work near a city. Okay, so Can you notice, How about you? well it's, it's, I live in a rural area. Uh-huh. It's mainly farms and, uh, no heavy industry. Attleboro, itself, I live in Rhode Island. Oh, I see. And, it's in the north, I live up in the, uh, northeast corner and Attleboro sits in just over the line, where T I's plant is, Uh-huh. but there isn't a lot of heavy industry. There's the freeways and we get an occasional,
it depends which way the wind's blowing from Boston, cause we're like forty miles south of Boston, so we'll pick up that. And, uh, I've noticed over the past say, maybe five or six years, uh, we live about twenty miles away from the state airport and I notice that the fly patterns now of the jets are getting bigger, they're swinging wider so that now they are coming over, over our homes. Uh-huh. And, it seems like, uh, we're catching all that residue. I'm not sure if it's kerosene or what that's dropping. But, other than that, you know, we don't have the, unless we're catching it from the midwest, the emissions. You know from the power plants. Um. Yeah. You mean like from the coal. Yeah, yeah, we generate, one of our, our biggest electrical plants in Rhode Island uses coal to, uh, generate electricity. Um, Um, there doesn't seem to be much emission from them, but I'm not sure about the rest of the country. Yeah,
I notice locally a major problem is Kodak. Um, it's interesting because in order to, uh, keep with the E P A standards which, which tend to be visible, uh, what's coming out of your smokestack, they do all their emissions at night. Uh, so people get up, Okay, well, is that right? Yeah, people get up in the morning in that neighborhood and they've got this black ash on their cars, which, you know, seems to be, Yeah, surprise, surprise. Yeah, I mean, I really think that if the E P A had anything on the ball they'd go in there with a few phosphorous grenades, light up the sky, photograph the emissions at that point, and, uh, you know, Yeah. There, there must be, uh, uh, some of the, some of the, uh, larger plants up, uh, up around one hundred twenty-eight. Uh-huh. Um, we've got reports that, uh, during the night seems like they'd blow off their, their stacks from, uh, the warehouses, for powerhouses, Right. Uh-huh.
and, they do that at night too, because, employees been complaining that the cars have been pitted, and, you know, spots all over them. Right. Yeah, yeah. So, you're right, they could do something about, about that, I guess. Yeah. That seems a little ridiculous. How are your, uh, your lakes, and, uh, Oh they've been getting cleaner. They have? Sure. But, um, yeah, I'm not sure how much the water pollution is, is directly related to the air pollution, other than acid rain, yeah, Acid rain, yeah, that's, that's what I was, uh, I mean the stuff I've read recently in Technology Review basically indicates that acid rain may be a little bit, uh, overstated. That a lot of the die off they've seen in forests may not really be due to acid rain at all.
Um, I'm not an expert. Yeah, no. Didn't they just have an article, oh, on, uh, they were dumping lime. Up here? Up, upstate New York somewhere, over huge areas, I haven't read that. Oh yeah. and they thought that was more beneficial because, you know it, it, some of it does soak in and some of it runs off right away into the, in to the streams and rivers and some of the fish were supposedly making a comeback. Uh-huh. I can't remember where I, I read that recently somewhere, and I can't remember where. Yeah, that's But I, I thought it was up there.
So, that's interesting because New Hampshire, and parts of Vermont, um, they showed pictures of, of extensive tree damage that they attributed to acid rain. Uh-huh. Um. Um, you kind of think it's something else then? Well, that's what the environmentalists were claiming in this article. So that, Oh, they didn't say, they didn't say what though, they just said they thought it was, They didn't say what, they just said they thought acid rain's contribution may be less than was previously suspected. Um, that it may be other natural things at work. Um, Uh, natural disease, Yeah, so it's, it's less than clear. Like I said, I don't remember the article that well. Yeah, yeah. But, um, I don't know, I mean, what do you think we can, uh, I guess as individuals or as a group, do about, uh, air pollution? Uh, we can demand, uh, more efficient automobiles for one thing. I still think that's, that's, uh, one of our major causes of pollutants.
Uh-huh. Uh, how we go about that, it's uh, uh, it's a little bit difficult. I think it's up to individuals too, to ask automakers for, for less pollutant vehicles. Yeah, Yeah, you I think you need a, a vehicle something like, uh, Ralph Nader, Nader's Raiders, or, where, uh, or, uh, uh, A A R P, which has a lot of members. Uh, if you can get those types of groups. Yeah. Uh-huh. Do you really think that new vehicles though is a big problem. I mean, I remember reading an article that said like, it's, uh, the older polluters, the, the twelve and fifteen year old cars, you know, contribute like ninety percent, of the automobile pollution Yeah, and the new cars it's hardly is, hardly anything. Yeah, they're better, but how about all the trucks and buses that are out there. Uh, when was the last time you saw a truck that didn't belch, smoke, or, uh, Yeah, but doesn't that just mean they're out of tune. Uh, I'm not really sure.
You think that, that, that the, uh, the trucking industry is that, uh, incompetent, that they wouldn't, you know, fuel is, is one of their biggest costs. Right. So, you would, But diesel engines. Yeah, diesel engines. It, you know, it's, it, I mean, they do generate a lot of soot but that at least, that kind of particulate comes out of the air pretty quickly. Yeah. Yeah. We could also, uh, push for legislation for, uh, rapid transit systems. This country seems to be a little behind on that. Yeah. On the other hand most people don't use rapid transit because it's so inconvenient. Um, yeah, but only because we got used to, uh, single person, single car, driving. Uh-huh. A lot of people don't even like to carpool.
Uh-huh. But we could that. That'll help, pollution, air pollution, Uh-huh. The, uh, United States and Canada are I guess, is, is, going into, uh, some types of agreements to limit, uh, what's being given out by power plants, Uh-huh. I guess Canada's quite concerned that we're sending a lot of our stuff up there, Yeah, sure. So that's helping. Well, what do you think about like a device, a meter right on a tail pipe and you pay the tax based on how much you polluted? Now that's an idea. don't say that too loud though because, uh, every city and town will have a meter on your tail pipe generating generating revenue, Well, it just means if you don't pollute, right, or you pollute very little you don't have to pay any tax or you just buy one of these things and it, it, uh, maybe you, you could probably devise them so it slowly closed off your tail pipe and, uh, the less you pollute the longer the devise lasts and if you pollute a lot then it closed off your tail pipe
and you couldn't start your car anymore. That's a, that's an interesting concept. Is that your idea? Yeah, but, uh, you know, it's, uh, I guess the difficulty would be to, that somebody could obviously just take it right off the tail pipe again so you probably would have to build it right into the muffler or something. Well I was going to say, right. You could put it in, you could, you could, it could be installed like a catalytic converter. Right. I mean I guess you could take those off too but, You could take but mufflers would be a little more obvious if you took that off. Yeah, if you can take a muffler off and only replace, well not unless it was built into every muffler. Right. And that's .
But if you was talking about something which was more or less universal that, uh, busses and any kind of vehicle, had to pay a pollution tax, uh, this would penalize the heavy polluters and not penalize the light polluters, That's a, that's quite a concept. You should, uh, pursue that I think, or patent it, you know. Yeah, patent it, that's a good idea. If you could come up with a device that's the thing. Right. But it shouldn't be too hard to do something like that. But that's a, that's a thought. No, Uh-huh. you're right and that will solve, uh, a lot of problems. I don't know if you, uh, if you approached the automobile industry if they would be too keen on installing something like that. Uh-huh. Uh, but you know a proposal to, uh, uh, I guess the proper authorities, Uh-huh. well you might, uh, generate some Yeah,
the automobile regulatory agencies or something. yeah, you might generate some interest in it. But that's, that's a good idea. Other than that I'm not sure what, what individuals can do other than like I said get involved through a group or an organization. Uh-huh. What are your music interests? Uh, just about any kind of music except acid rock I, I don't care, for acid rock, Me, too. Oh. but, uh, I grew up with country and western, Yeah, I did, too, but, uh, and then, just about any kind of music. I even like classical music. Yeah, uh, I'm pretty diversified, too.
I, I don't, I don't like acid rock either. I, I grew up in a small town so, uh, the only, we only had one radio station so it was country music, Yeah. but then, uh, when I, Yeah, I grew up with Hank Snow, and Lefty Frizzell and Hank Williams and all of those old country and western songs. Oh, really. You're older than I am But, uh, I, did you happen to see last night the special on Channel Two with James Galway? We don't get Channel Two. My, uh, our cable doesn't, Oh. I wish we got that what, but, That is fabulous. Was it? Well, we don't get Channel Two.
We, Yeah, when he played DANNY BOY it just almost brought, tears to your eyes, because he can make that flute sing. Oh, really? Yeah, and, uh, it was tremendous. Now, he, he is a, uh, actually, I did, I played flute for, almost ten years Yeah. and, and, uh, so, I, I, I appreciate his too, his, his Yeah. he, he, he's from Ireland isn't he? Yeah, uh-huh, and it was, uh, mostly all Irish tunes, Was yeah. they had a band with him that, uh, had a harpist and another flute and then a guy that played the bagpipes plus the, uh, tin whistle, and a couple of violins and, uh, drum, Yeah.
Uh-huh. and they, they played all the Irish jigs and so forth, it was just fabulous. Yeah, I, he, he is really good. Yeah, I, I, I come from a musical background, Yeah. so, uh, uh, I've played flute, flute and piano, so, I, I, I have a big appreciation for music, up to a point. Yeah. Yeah. I, I'm getting now to the age where I don't like the new stuff that's coming and much of the new stuff that's coming out, Yeah. Yeah. my husband says I'm getting old Yeah I love, uh, I, I especially like instrumentals. Do you? Yeah.
I love to just lay back on the couch and, and turn a good, good instrumental got on and just close my eyes and listen. Yeah, that's, that's nice to do, that is. I've got a, I've got a, I've got a two year old who's now getting, I'm getting well versed in, in kiddy music Yeah. I'm, I've never played an instrument in my life, I've always wanted too, Yeah. I've always wished my parents had forced me to learn the piano or something, Yeah but, uh, I was one of the forced ones but I, I'd just love to be able to go to a party or something and sit down at the piano and bang out music Oh, I could never do that and, I was never that brave but, uh, yeah. I guess the closest I've ever come to participating in music is singing in the choir. Yeah,
oh, yeah, I've, I've done, I've done that at church too. Yeah. I haven't done that in a long time. Yeah. So, let's see what . Well, what kind of music do you not like? Well, like I say the acid rock, I just do not an I don't care for rap music either. Oh, that's not music Uh-huh, no. that is not, I don't know what that is, but that's not music If I can't understand the words I don't want to listen to it. Well, it's, it's, it's not, it's not music,
it's just, it's just, uh, uh, talking in a beat, it is just, it's not exciting at all Yeah. it doesn't, it doesn't give you relaxation, Yeah. you can't dance to it, you can't do anything to it Right. But, I, and I love, I like orchestra music too. Like the, Boston Pops or, or anything. Yeah. Yeah. Have you ever been to the, to, to the Dallas Symphony? Uh-huh. Have you? Is are, are they good? Yeah. Yeah, they're good. Are they?
I, I have, I have, never been. And, uh, we went and saw, uh, LES MISERABLES Oh, really? oh, the music in that was fantastic. I, I've heard, I've heard that that is a really, Yeah. I heard that was hard to get tickets to. Yeah, it, it, uh, I can't remember how far in advance we reserved, tickets but it was out, you know, out at the State Fair Music Hall and, uh it was well worth the price. Yeah. Yeah, that was a real, Was it? Yeah, I, I bet it was, Yeah. I, I really bet it was
Is that the only, uh, musical, do you go see a lot of musicals? Just, just ever so often you know, a real, a real good one like that one Yeah. and, That, that would be, that would be nice I went and saw, uh, I think it was, uh, SUGAR BABIES, that was good, that had good music in it. Was it? How, how, I can't, I don't know what that's about. Uh, that was the one with Mickey Rooney and, uh, oh, what's that real, oh, not real old, my wife she is old too, dancer, uh, I can't think of her name. I got it right on the tip of my tongue and can't say it, Helen something. Uh, uh, uh, I think I know who you're oh, I know who you're talking about, real long legs, and dark hair. she's got black hair, Yeah,
okay, I know who your talking about. I can't think ever her name either. I can't think of it. Yeah, that that was, that was, I remember that being, uh, here a few years ago. Yeah, but, uh, Oh, oh, the last country music, my, my parents still, uh, really like country, music Yeah. and they, they like, uh, they like the Oak Ridge Boys and the Statler Brothers, Oh, yeah, yeah. and, and, uh, well, my, my, my, my parents, The Blackwoods. yeah, my husband likes, uh, country music real well and he, he likes some of the new groups like Shenandoah,
Yeah. and, yeah, he really likes Shenandoah. Alabama. Yeah, yeah, well, yeah, Alabama, Uh, I think, I think they're a bit over exposed Yeah I get kind, of get tired of every other song being Alabama on the, radio. Yeah, either Alabama or Hank Williams, Junior. Oh, I, I've never cared for Hank, Williams, Junior. I never have either, and I never have figured out how he won, uh, entertainer of the year for about, three or four years in a row. Oh Oh, we, we watch those award shows too, we enjoy watching the country and the Grammies and stuff
but I just, I just don't care for him, Yeah. I just never have. I don't, I guess probably my favorite all time country and western song or singer is, uh, probably Eddy Arnold. Is, is it? Uh-huh. Okay, I, I think, I, I know who that is, uh-huh. I think my parents have have, uh, some of his records. But, uh, I got a, I've got about a hundred and, or had a, uh, some, uh, I sold some of them, I had about a hundred and fifty old seventy-eight R P M records of country and western, songs, Yeah. Wow. Smiley Burnette, I don't know if you were old enough to remember him him. I've heard the name. He was, uh, played in the old western movies. He was the sidekick of Gene Autry I believe Huh. or they,
I think his name in, in the movie was Froggy and, I've, I've never seen a Gene Autry movie, had a real raspy voice, Huh. and, uh, No, I never have some of those old ones, of course, Bob Wills, Miss Texas Playboys Ernest Tubbs and Red Foley an, Yeah. Yeah, those go back quite a way Yeah. I took them up here to Collectors Records and was able to get a little money for them Yeah. but, uh, my mother and dad use to, uh, own a restaurant, It's hard to, Oh, yeah. and he had, uh, they had a, uh, nickelodeon, of course, in the restaurant, Yeah.
and when they would come and change the records the guys would, the guy would give her the old records Well, that that's neat. so, that's where I got my, that would be great if they weren't too worn out, at the time. Yeah. Of course, there's not a whole lot of market for seventy-eight R P M records. Is there not? You, you'd, well you'd think there would be. Well, the problem is most of the record players now will not play them because, you have to have that needle, that, uh, particular kind of needle Well, that's true. Oh, yeah. and, uh, they, just won't play on a modern day, uh phonograph. Well, that's a shame because I, I, we go to antique stores a lot and you see seventy-eights, a, a lot at, at the stores, at record stores, Yeah. you'd, think there'd be a market for, Yeah. I'm, I'm sure you could find old players for them
but that would cost a fortune, if you could find them that worked Yeah. Yeah. Oh. Of course, they, you know, just don't have the quality of records nowadays either because, you, you get that scratchy sound. No. Uh-huh. Well, those things were big and thick weren't they? Yeah, yeah. You could kill somebody with them Yeah, warped real easy. And the ones you buy, go out and buy one now and they're just so thin and, flimsy Yeah. and they just, they're not meant to last, at all, Yeah. neither are tapes.
I, I we buy cassette tapes, Yeah. and machines will eat them, Yeah. and so, the best bet, any, these days are compact disk, those things are practically indestructible But, I, I guess, you know, the old country and western music you, back then when I was a kid, there wasn't that much T V, Oh, no. so that's all you had to listen to was the, radio, Radio. and, uh, that's just what, just what you had, plus, Yeah. I think it was better back then to, there's too much T V now Yeah. and the radio is, you know, more exciting, really, than, than television, Yeah.
your imagination Yeah. kept and it just didn't vegetate your mind like television does Yeah, I remember mother and dad always turned on the Grand Ole Opera. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Was it on the radio every week? Yeah. what day, what day was that on, do you, can you recall. Uh, uh, seems like it was on a Friday, Uh. Friday or, Okay. Okay. Well what do you think about the idea of, uh, kids having to do public service work for a year? Do you think it's a
Well, I, I think it's a pretty good idea. I think they should either do that, or, or afford some time to the military, or, or helping elderly people. Yes, yes, I, I, you know, I think that we have a bunch of elderly folks in the country that could use some help and I think that before we expend all our young talent overseas and, and helping other countries we ought to perhaps give a little bit of our help to our own folks at home and I'm not sure that that's not a bad idea That's true. and, or the military for a year or two, wouldn't be bad for, Yeah. I think it teaches kids how to grow. How about yourself? Uh, I agree with you. Uh, uh, what I'm thinking about is back well, when I was a kid, and much earlier than that, kids were kind of, you know, the parents kind of pushed them to join, like the Boy Scouts or Girl Scouts and they did, do, do do a lot of public service activities, but these days they're not, uh, parents aren't encouraging their kids to do things like that. Because when I was in the Girl Scouts, we did a lot of public service things, because that's just part of, of the scouting, and, you know. Yeah,
I've, I've, that's really great. I, I really think that both the Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts is a excellent, two excellent organizations. They are but parents, You know, kids seem like when they get ten or twelve years old they fall out of that, Yeah, they do. and they don't follow it at all, you know. There are very few Scouts go on, and become Eagle Scouts. Oh, no. And, and I don't know what the high rank is for the gals but, I, I, uh, senior. Oh. Senior, okay. So, there's not, uh, Oh, they're just not,
once they get into junior high it just, not done anymore Yeah, they, they lose interest. and then when they young, young adults, there's even less interest there. Uh-huh. They're more for, I Me Not, not, yeah. Grab, grab, grab, walk out Yeah, you're absolutely right Yeah I think it's a really a good thing. I, I like to see, of course, there's, you know, third world countries that can use all kind of help Yeah,
but there's a lot that can be done right here in this country, too. But I think, we ought to start right here at home. I'm, you know, Yeah, uh, I'm not, I'm not so sure that overseas help, helping overseas would be such a hot idea for, for, uh, a lot of young people. No, it, it, But, since there is much that needs to be done here. I think that, yeah, I think that we need to really address what we've done here and, and then perhaps even a six month tour overseas that gives them much broader outlook. Uh-huh. Well, it's been really good. We talked about this for a few minutes, and, uh, hopefully, we'll have other good topic maybe another call someday, but I, I don't really have too much more to say on this topic, I guess. No, I, I agree with you It, we, I guess we both agree that it's a good thing, that they should do sometime. Yeah. Okay.
Well you take care, and, and, enjoy the day. You, too. You, too. Thank you, ma'am. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. Do are you on a regular exercise program right now? Yes, and I hate it How about you? Oh, well, I'm kind of off and on. Off and on well, I guess I've been kind of off and on I've, uh, Had some health problems that have led me to, uh, Right now I'm kind of off. I'd say more on than off Okay, what type of exercise do you do? Uh, I do walking on the treadmill,
and then I do low impact aerobics. Okay. I guess you don't enjoy that very much. Not, not really. Do you find that, uh, to be boring? Yeah, and time consuming, I mean it's not just the exercise that's boring and time consuming, it's, uh, you know, afterwards, you know, then you have to take a shower and get cleaned up, you know. Yeah. Well, I'm trying to get back in shape for softball this spring. Oh, yeah. But I, Do you go through this, is this something that you go through every year Yeah, I haven't decided whether, whether I want to play yet or not I just bought myself a solo flex machine, I don't know if you've seen those advertised on T V. Uh-huh.
It's one of those, uh, universal type machines, exercise machines. But I haven't really sat down and used it match yet, so it's collecting dust right now. Yeah, a lot of things do that. I had an, I had an exercise bike I used to jog somewhat. I use to have one, and I finally got rid of sit cause I never used it, but I do use my treadmill Uh-huh, well, that's good. Yeah, my parents have a treadmill it's, when I go visit them, uh, I get on that thing every now and then. Yeah, it's nice because when the weather's bad you can't, you don't have any excuse. Uh-huh, I just got the bicycle out today,
and it was real nice outside, had to get out to do something. Yeah, I can't ride a bike so. I've been sitting in here in the house all weekend with a cold so thought I, better, better get outside and do something and not waist the day. Oh. Yeah, it's too nice, it's been too nice all weekend. But, uh, yeah, I need to start jog something again. I've always of that to be, uh, really one of the best forms of exercise, but it's terribly boring, and so I really don't ever keep a program up consistently. Have you ever had any injuries from jogging? No, I never have. Well, I don't job enough I think to develop any injuries
I usually only go about a mile or two. I guess it worries me about jogging it's that I hear that it's very hard on your body and, and that, you know, you can end up getting hurt, worse. Yeah, it's, it's tough on the joints if you jog on concrete, or on asphalt. Uh-huh. Suppose to be much better if you find grass, uh, or, or dirt to jog on. Yeah, that's not quite so so easy. You have to have the right, type of shoes too, that's, very important. Yeah. Yeah. I found that, true especially from walking on toe and fronts . But, Yeah, I don't have to buy jogging shoes all to often my don't get very much use Well, I guess my breakdown about, they say about every six months. Uh-huh. I usually enjoy the exercise I do
but, uh, like I said I'm just not very consistent about maintaining a, a program. So I'll, I'll bicycle I get into that for, for a little while and maybe go out, uh, on a consistent basis every couple of days and ride a bike for awhile, but then I'll get tired of doing that, and maybe start jogging again and go out about three or four nights a week. But, uh, that gets old too in a very short order, Yeah. I'm, I'm hoping that this, uh, solo flex will, uh, uh, change things a little bit, I really need to get on a regular type of program and use that thing on a consistent basis. Yeah, well, don't let it collect dust. At least exercise while dusting it off Yeah. well. Maybe if I can get interested in playing softball again this string I can, uh, start some type of, uh, regular program. Yeah, that, that'll be good. I've always found that, uh, when you write things down and set goals it's a lot easier to keep, uh, keep something going. Uh-huh. Uh, when I was in high school we had a choice of, uh, taking, uh, physical education courses on exercise, an, uh, one of those involved a six weeks session on a universal machine, lifting weights and, uh, working out like that.
Oh. And that was very helpful we kept charts of our progress, and, uh, consistently increased the empty of resistance so you could see how much you improved over the weeks. Uh-huh. I found that to be, uh, very helpful. Are you going to do that? Uh, I need to, I haven't started yet but, uh, it's a thought. Well, that sounds like something good to do then. Sounds like something I should do. Yeah, nice way to start off this spring. Get back in shape. How often do you, uh, uh, go out each week on your walking? Well, I do, I switch every other day one day I walk and one day I do the aerobics. Okay, how far, about how far do you go walking?
Well, I'm trying to get my tolerance now I just had surgery, um, less then two months ago, and right now I'm just a little over about a mile and a half, Okay. but I'm trying to workup to three miles. Well, that's good. Well they say that walking is just as good if not better then jogging. Yeah, It, it takes, it's just that it takes longer to get to the same effect. Sure. Yeah, but. Well, if you keep up with a consistent pace just to, uh, keep the heart rating going, uh, My walkman broke, Yeah. so I'm upset and I just have to turn to stereo up real loud Yeah. But it's a lot less stressful on the joints then jogging is.
Yeah, it is and this doesn't, you know, my treadmill has an incline and, you know, you can get a really good workout on it. Um, do you go to an aerobics class or do you watch, on T V? No, I, I just do it on T V, Okay. I have a cassette. Which, uh, shows do you watch on T V? Um, it's a, it's a I use tapes. Oh, okay, okay, like a Cathy Smith workout, Or, or Richard Simmons, or Jane Fonda. Okay
Sweating to the oldies Right. I, every now and then I'll watch E S P N, I get cable on T V, Uh-huh. and they have, uh, a couple of shows called basic training, and, uh, what is the other one called. There was one guy I use to watch on E S P N, I don't know if he's still on any more or not, I I don't know if I get E S P N or not Uh-huh. But, uh, one, you know, I use to watch one, watch one on the air, but that was back, BODIES IN MOTION that's, that's the name of the one I was thinking of. With Gill. That's was, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I watched that cause he was cute
Yeah, he's not bad his assistants usually aren't either. But, uh, They're always in, in Hawaii some place. On, on the beach. Yeah, yeah. But then that was back when, uh, you know, the high impact and, Yeah, well, they, they do low I pact stuff now, Do they. Are yeah they're still, they're still, he's still doing it then, uh. Yeah, every morning. I'll have to tune in. It's on E S P N, uh, at what time, I can't remember what time.
It's, uh, you know, I can't remember offhand what time. I'll have to check it, check, check, check it back up, Yeah and, but the thing is everybody always looks so good on that show, at least on Yeah, every now and then. Not everybody has a picture perfect body. Uh-huh, well, I found that they, they have just a much better program than the other shows that are on T V. I haven't watch any other ones on T V. watch=watched Just on some of the tapes. They're on weekdays at eleven o'clock every day. Monday through Friday incase you're interested in that. Okay, thanks. but, uh, I haven't done so much as, uh, watch the tape that I made. Now, that's a thought. So I'm kind of bad about that myself. Well, that's thought, I haven't thought about that, well they're going to beep us pretty soon.
Okay, well, I sure enjoyed, to you about exercise and fitness. Nice talking to you too. Okay, thanks. So, all right. Talk to you later. Good night. Bye. Bye. Uh, well what would you say your opinion is on gun control? Well, I don't know. I've, I've had mixed emotions, I guess, when I listen to, uh, the radio and, and watch T V about the different, uh, things that are happening. Uh, I'm against it but on the same token, uh, I went out and purchased a gun just because I wanted the right to do that So I, I have a rifle in the house. Uh, the ammunition is probably so old I'm afraid to use it. But, uh, I bought it for target practicing and, uh, and also because I wanted a weapon. Uh, how do you feel about it? Well, I think, uh, down here in Texas they don't have a waiting period on handguns.
Huh. And, I think they need that. Uh, and I do have a, I have a pistol. It's a little twenty-two and I have a twenty-two or a twelve gauge shotgun. Uh-huh. you know, I do like to have my guns. Uh, I don't know if I'll ever use it, you know. And like you, my bullets to my little pistol's probably, uh, about three years old Uh, my gun hasn't been shot in a year or two. Uh-huh. But, uh, I like to have them where handy. Well, up, uh, up in New England where I'm from, uh, you had to get a permit before you could buy any ammunition. And I thought that was really good. And I think if they, uh, takes two weeks for that system to process, uh, your request for, uh, not as a gun permit but, uh, but to buy ammunition. You have to get a permit from the police station in your local area to do that. I've never heard of anything like that. Yeah. Uh, That would be nice.
But, you know, the criminals that are going to get their guns one way or the other. I I, I agree. I think, you know, one of the things that, that, that needs to happen is, uh, to, to stop the impulse buyer from, uh, buying it quickly and, and, uh, maybe putting a week's waiting period or something on it. But if someone's really determined to, to pick up a firearm you can pick it up any place. Yeah And you can get them really cheap. I know I, I had a waiting period on my pistol because I was down in, uh, Tennessee. And, uh, they had a waiting period Uh-huh. and, uh, we bought it there. And, How long was the waiting period out there? About nine days. Huh. That wasn't too, too bad. No. No Because if, if you're going to go buy something, uh, uh, of that nature, I think you, you're going to have some idea as to what you're going to do with it. You're not going to react that quickly.
In other words, you know, you don't have a need to go buy a gun to go shoot it the next day. somebody wants to do that, I, I, at times I think they ought to have a waiting period on all firearms. Yeah. I do too. Uh, because it doesn't make any difference, uh, uh, whether it's a pistol or a shotgun, I suppose. They both do the same kind of job. A shotgun hurts worse than a pistol does. Uh, yeah. I suppose. I never got shot with either one. But I don't know, uh, I think you could recover from a pistol but not from a shotgun No, a shotgun's got too much of a spread. Or at least ours does. Yeah. Uh, it's, you know, you have a little, uh, thing on the bottom of on top of the barrel where you, you turn it, Uh-huh. you can make it either tight or as loose as loose can get.
Oh. And the spread changes. Uh, I've got a manual single shot and I guess it doesn't have any, any automatic features to it. The further away I get, the, the, uh, wider the shot gets from the target. Yeah. And the closer that I get, the tighter that it gets. It's got a hell of a kick to it. Yeah. My husband had a, uh, a police gun at one time. And I shot that thing one time. Almost knocked me down. And it just a I I forget, I think it was a three fifty-seven. I'm not sure. Do you belong to a gun club or you? He belonged to one awhile back. Uh, since we moved, we've only been here in Texas for about a year
Uh-huh. and, uh, we can't even find a place to shoot. Just for target practice. No kidding. I'd love to get used to that shotgun. We traded his pistol for that shotgun. Huh. Well the, the, uh, clubs that we've got around here are kind of expensive but, uh, it's well worth it. You can go down and shoot up against a sand bag and some targets and have, uh, competition. Uh, I've never really joined a club because I haven't got the time. Not because I haven't got the desire. Uh, there's an annual membership fee, uh, that's, that's fairly high. Plus there's an initiation fee that you have to pay because of first time, uh, uh, member. So the whole process can cost you a hundred fifty dollars to join the club. Plus you have to pay for the, the ammunition in any tournaments that you would join in. Yeah. Well, that's what my husband, when he was in that gun club where he was doing that tell if it's a cough or something was It, you know, he went mostly just to, uh, shoot at paper targets. Uh-huh. Uh, but, you know, they used speed and accuracy and all that.
I think that, that the gun clubs serve a useful purpose. In fact, I'd like to see somehow they tie the legislation into not only when you buy a weapon you have to, uh, show that you've gone to school or gone to some class to know how to handle that weapon. That's a good, I've never thought of that. That's a good point. And, you know, it, it, even after you wait your nine days, if you don't know how to handle it, it's just like putting someone in an automobile that doesn't know how to drive. And you give him a license because he waited nine days. Yeah. That's, and, yeah. He could, he could not only, uh, uh, shoot himself. He could, he could, uh, mishandle a weapon. Leave it at home and let a child get at it. It, well we, uh, we was living on a navy base down in Memphis and, uh, this one guy decided to play, uh, lonesome cowboy or something. And he was twirling his gun around and shot himself in his foot. Wow. He was fortunate. He could, he could of hit something else
Well, he went tumbling down the steps along with, uh, shooting his foot almost off. He broke his leg and collar bone and a couple of other things I'm sure, being, Mister Cowboy. Wow. I can't remember what the the term was going around. It was about four or five years ago. But. Now, I guess that would be a good idea About, uh, private citizens selling a weapons? Like if you wanted to sell your pistol to me. How do you feel about that? Do you believe there ought to be legislation guiding the, uh, buyer and the seller? And, or do you believe that you ought to be able to sell your system, uh, because you own it? Uh, that's a hard one because we did that. But, uh, I think there ought to be some rule against it. I'll, uh, you know, the person who sells the gun ought to protect themselves because if that gun's registered to them and somebody else uses that gun in something, the cops are going to come to you. Yeah. isn't there a way to, uh, to deregister yourself after you register a gun? Uh, I have no idea. I've only had one gun
Because I have, and I've kept it, you know, the one gun that was in my name. Yeah. Is it registered? Yeah. The, uh, the rifle that I've got is not registered, and, uh, I don't know why I never registered it but the, uh, I don't think you have to register a shotgun Um, I, I think it's, it's voluntary The, uh, the, Well, see, uh, my husband has a thing. If they go to, uh, regulating, uh, all right, uh, banning guns. private citizens Yeah. this, my kid is jumping on me. I can't hardly talk. My husband feels that they'll come and collect everybody's guns. Yeah. I guess that could happen.
It's just like the, uh, the social security system Once they, uh, they gave everybody a number and now they're making you, uh, uh, get one at, at birth. And once they have your number, they have your identification. Yeah. And if you try to do anything, uh, like, uh, not identify yourself to the government, they know who you are. Yeah. And everything about you. And , that's true Uh, I, you know, they know so, how much money you make a week to, uh, probably your, uh, my kid is banging. I was seeing what they was banging on. Uh, I've lost my train of thought. I'm sorry That's all right. You, you were talking about, uh, uh, what the Federal government knows about people. Oh, the Yeah. They, they probably know everything from, half the time what time you go to the bathroom.
They probably do. No, that's that's a little bit extreme. But they could know anything and everything about you. And, uh, I'd like to have my gun. If they go to banding, banning them, I'd lose my gun but we wouldn't lose our our, uh, shotgun. Yeah. And, uh, we're wanting to get a couple of more that no one knows about. Uh-huh. But I don't, I don't, uh Do you find it difficult picking up, uh, guns that, that are not registered? No. No. I don't either. I can, I can buy some, uh, today if I wanted to. Just you know, put up the money. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you can look in the, uh, the,
we got a thing down here called A SHOPPER. Uh-huh. It's a, a it's a, it's a bargain thing. Uh, you go and you know, always see guns in there. Five to seven guns a day. Yeah. It comes out every Tuesday. And there's, there's no waiting period on that. No. None whatsoever You call, we sold a refrigerator through it and it took us all of twelve hours. To sell the refrigerator? Yeah. Yeah. You know. And I'm sure it'd be even less for somebody with a good gun. Huh. And I think the Federal government is, uh, is really far away from, uh, uh, control. I, I don't believe in, uh, I'm I shouldn't probably say control. I mean regulation.
Control is something that I wouldn't want the Federal government to have. Uh, but I would like to see them have a monitoring capability so that they know who has what weapons. Yeah. Well, I agree with you there. They do have too much control over us already. Yeah. Uh, we could look at our paychecks and see how much control they have. Unfortunately, we, uh, we vote for the, the people who spend the money, so I can't complain too much. Yeah, I guess so. I don't know. They're Well, I haven't heard anything about the proposal myself, but, uh, Uh, I don't know if its their proposal or one that's being seriously kicked around. No, I haven't either. I've, I've always felt for a long time that I, I think that all young kids ought to do a stint, uh, primarily in the military. Yeah. Uh.
Most countries require that now, they you know, they have, uh, it mandatory for, for the, the uh at least the young men, Yeah, yeah. Uh-huh. I don't know about the young women, I don't know if they have to serve in the military, too. Yeah, a lot, yeah, well, you take Israel I mean, everybody does. Yeah. I don't think it's a bad idea, teaches, teaches a lot. I mean, I went in the service when I was eighteen, And, uh, stayed in for ten years. Uh-huh. Is that right? Yeah, uh, did a lot of growing up.
I bet. You have to. Yeah. Yeah, my father had been in the military. I didn't do it myself. My father had and that's, uh, how he put himself through school basically. Yeah. He came from a poor immigrant family, and he didn't have a chance to, uh, you know, the family wasn't wealthy, so he had to do something to, put himself through school, Do it himself. and he did. And he was very successful. Well, my parents wanted to send me to college, and I was dead set against it You know, I had wanderlust, you know. Yeah.
And I got in, and after, after wasting the first six years, partying and everything else, I decided, uh-huh, time to settle down and do something. So I started to work on my education. Yeah. Course my job was such that I didn't, I couldn't do it as much as I wanted Uh-huh. and still I ended up going two semesters when I got out just to get my degree. That's pretty good. But, I've been in school ever since That's good. Yeah, I guess. Yeah, that's, uh, I don't know. There's other kinds of service to the country that could be done, you know, Yeah, I mean if you don't like, I mean, working in the national parks, Uh, working, clean up the roadsides Sure.
Exactly. I mean, I've always felt that people on welfare should be required to spend at least part of their time, *why no slash? not all the time because that takes away from their opportunity to look for a job, but at least some of their time to look for, to go out and clean up the roads. You know, Oh yeah, Absolutely. I mean, All these, all this money that we're throwing away to pay people to go out and do things when we're paying all these welfare recipients, and if they're able-bodied people, I don't see any problem at all with having them go out there and, and, if nothing else, get a group of them together and take them around to old folks places and let them cut the yards, paint the houses. Yeah. Yeah, we'd learn service to other people in this country. Sure , sure. So I'm, get something out of that money. Country would benefit, Yeah I've, I mean, uh, yeah, yeah, my next door neighbor when I was growing up, worked for the unemployment division,
and his sole job was just tracking down people who were getting benefits and able-bodied and, That right. Yeah, and he, he had all kinds of horror stories. You know, these guys go down there and get their unemployment checks, and, back, back in those days they also use to give you, uh, booklets good for, uh, clothing and gas, and things like this Yeah. They get all this stuff together and sit down and have poker games you know, Yeah. and I'm, I I have a hard time dealing with that. What I hear one time, I think it was on Paul Harvey's, uh, radio segment, that he said that if the money that goes into welfare each year was to be given directly to the people without all the middle people in the government bureaucracy, each person would receive like forty-five thousand dollars. Uh-huh. I mean, I was astounded. I don't even make that. No, I know. I, you, you think about, you think about the layer of bureaucracy between the money and the recipient, Yeah, and somebody's taking that away.
and, and there's probably, there's easily probably six or seven times that amount being spent on the bureaucracy. Yeah, no doubt. You know, it's, it's, it's totally ridiculous, and now, I, I, I, uh, started out when I first got in graduate school I was going into public administration, and, uh, quite honestly I just got so fed up with it I just couldn't stand it any more. Is that right, Yeah, I mean, this is the kind of thing you look at. Yeah. You sit there and when you're writing up budgets, you wonder, okay, how much money do we need. Well, you need X number dollars for the recipients but you need X number dollars to administer the program. Well just ridiculous. Yeah. This is ridiculous. It's sad. It is,
it's pathetic. I mean, there's got to be a different way. There's got to be a better way. But it'll never happen. I mean, these these people out here getting that money are big voting blocks. Yeah. Yeah. What would happen if the required young people to do service to the country, what should they get in return, I wonder. Like, uh, I think, I think there ought to be some kind of assistance as far as, uh, and I would limit it strictly to something like tuition assistance. Yeah. Give an incentive. Educational or vocational training or something. Yeah. Something that's going to help them along the way. And they'll help the country eventually, too, because rather than having a bunch of uneducated people we can have educated people, Sure, I mean,
Well, this, I mean I mean, look at the statistics, and that's only going to help. I mean, it's sad. One in five Americans can't read Yeah. adults, that is, can't even read. And, and we've got the lowest rates of the civilized countries in science and math. Yeah. I mean, what are we, what are we becoming? We're becoming a service country. As opposed to what we were twenty years ago. Yeah, we were an industrial giant, and now we're we're not going to do it because everybody is beating us at the game. We taught them how to do it, and they, they did it better than we do. Yeah Simple as that. because they have the ambition, I guess.
yeah, simple as that. Yeah, which is good for them, but on the other hand, we kind of lose out. Yeah, it's terrible for us. I think that if, uh, young people had service to the country might give them more ambition. Because they learn that serving other people is a good thing. Yeah. Yeah, and, and it can be good for them, too. Yeah, oh yeah. I mean, even, even the greedy kids that we've got now ... Oh god, you go to the mall and you see, you know, fourteen year old kids flaunting money, because the parents give them money to go down and play video games all night, you know I know. for what. I know. Give me the money
and I'll, I'll teach them something good Well, you know, you know why they do it is so they can get them out of the house. Yeah. Yeah, uh, that's my other complaint. Parents aren't parents any more. No. They've, they've relinquished their parenting. Yeah. One of the other subjects is do you think the public school systems are in trouble? Yeah. Well, as a substitute teacher for a year, I, I can say yes. Yeah, I mean, I talked with somebody else about that another time, and, you know, when I's in graduate school working on my master's degree in math, I was, uh, teaching as part of my, part of the program. And I just love teaching. That was a lot, that's probably the most fun I had. And, uh, it helped me out because I learned things and learned how to do things differently. Yeah. Uh-huh.
And when, uh, when come time to get out of school, I thought, Boy, I'd like to teach. But you know, for, for what. Yeah. You know, I don't want to live in a little one bedroom apartment the rest of my life. Exactly. I mean, that, that's a sad thing to think, and that's kind of selfish on my part, and I admit that, Well, in a way it is, but you have to look out for yourself you know, Yeah, that's right. I mean, that's and when we pay garbage men more than we pay teachers, That's wrong. Yeah, gosh, I mean, I'm not saying that garbage men should be paid less, I saying teachers should be paid more.
No, I mean yeah. They do an absolutely necessary job, I mean, I, I have a great deal of admiration for these people who can go out there and do that. Yeah. But, uh, I mean, there's, there's a sense of priorities here, too. Yeah. You know, we need, what's more important, picking up the garbage or educating our kids. Yeah They both have their place. Yeah, they, they, sure. But, you know, when it gets right down to it, I mean, one's I mean, on the other hand, I mean, you take a garbage man in New York City starts out at twenty-six thousand dollars. That's pretty good. Well I bet you there's a whole bunch of homeless people up there who would take that job for thirteen thousand dollars a year. Yeah.
I mean, my other pet peeve is unions. Yeah, oh yeah. You know, it's just, it's, it's ridiculous the way unions have gone. There was a time when unions were needed. And they served a good function. And they served a good function, but there are enough laws on the books now that unions are outdated, and they're only there to perpetuate their own, their own power structure. I remember, the company my dad worked for, the people there went on strike against the management. It was a steel manufacturing place, and they, uh, this was during a time when the import steel was so cheap, and they were having a hard time. And they told the strikers there, look, we need you to come back and get this stuff done. Or else we're going to be out of business. And they wouldn't come back, so they went bankrupt. Yeah.
And, and they all lost their jobs. Sure, and, and and that's really what happened to the steel industry in this country. And it's like , you know. Yeah. So many times, I mean, you had the, uh, the coal miners and steel workers going out at the same time. And, well, that took care of that industry That's right. and, and, then, and I'll tell you, Detroit worked awfully hard on, on stopping car manufacturing in this country. And they're trying to do that now with the imports. Yeah, I mean, you know, we've never caught up, and I don't think we ever will. It'll be a tough road, though. Yeah, I mean, here it is, and we've got, we've got to go into partnership with the Japanese to build cars. Yeah. You know And they only did it because they, I guess they were embarrassed that they're so good at it
Yeah. That's about right. Gosh. Yeah, well, back to the original subject, yeah, I think youngsters ought to go out and do some public service, I don't care what kind it is. It teaches them pride in their country. Yeah, and pride in themselves, too. That's right. They could, they could, I mean, you could organize something just within your community. same old thing. Yeah, I mean, that's right. That's like Eagle Scouts. Sure. Uh-huh. And that's a great idea.
I think they ought to take them and, I don't know, just have sort of like a, a, a manpower pool and say Okay, look, we need somebody ... Okay, we're going to talk about the public school system, What's wrong with it, an, or if anything is wrong with it and what we can do about it, what should be done about it. Okay. Fantastic. Well one thing that pops into my mind real quick is, uh, about the, uh, funding of, the, the school system right now. Yeah. Evidently, uh, that's, that's a big problem. Yeah, it's amazing, uh, I always thought that teachers never got paid nearly enough, I mean, to be doing what they're doing, uh. Right. When I was in college I, I enjoyed teaching, 'cause I did some teaching part-time and I really enjoyed that but I wouldn't want to go teach high school or junior high, it just, you know, all the problems. Oh, Lord, I mean, yeah, an, you talk about stress and pressure,
I tell you what, it's, uh, Yeah, they're putting in fifty, sixty hours a week, I'm sure, because they've got to grade papers and get class stuff ready. Do, right. And, you know, and they're being paid, probably half what most people being paid. Exactly, and, And we're paying basketball people, you know, millions of dollars a year for, for what, you know. That's right, and then they, uh, poof it off, you know, do like Tarpley. Yeah. But, uh, I what gets me is I can't believe that Congress, uh, or, our state legislature can't come up with, uh, some kind of workable means to have funds for the school. You know, it's, uh, I just don't understand that. Yeah, it's, uh.
Now do you have little kids, or what? No, uh, sure don't, my wife and I've just been married about two years but I have a sister that's a, uh, school teacher, and, uh. Yeah, yeah, my wife and I have a, a three year old, almost four and a, a two year old. Okay. So we're looking at the, the older one going to school next year. Not, not, well not this coming fall but the year after that. Okay, so it's getting close. Yeah, he's going to be going to kindergarten, so. Right. So, you know, we're, we're thinking about that. What's that going to be like. Are they going to be taught nothing,
or they going be taught something, we're going to, we're going to be involved in our child's education. We're going to be teaching him what we can at home, of course, because, uh, I guess we don't trust the school system, which is very sad, uh, Right. but. But if it doesn't start at home, it's not going to go anywhere. You know, Exactly. Right, that's true. and we're going to try to teach him good values, because, you know, when, when they get to upper level school and they start teaching them, well hey, if you can play football or basketball that's what's important. Not if you can read or write, or do, or understand some science. You know, Exactly. I mean give me a break, that's, that's, that's bogus. Right, right. Well and, uh, you know, one thing my wife and I've talked about, are, uh, private schools. You know whether, uh, uh, we would want to invest in, in private schools as they're growing up, because, you know, just in the Dallas area, um, we're not real comfortable with the, with the public schools. Yeah. And Dallas, uh, school district just recently got an advised status because of their low quality schooling. Right. I couldn't believe that. Right.
You know, one, that's one reason we bought a house here in Plano. We were hoping, you know, well the school district's going to be good, you know, for resale value, and, so on and so forth, Yeah. but, uh, I can definitely, uh, see on down the road, you know, where we do have kids and are getting to that age, that's going to be a definite concern. Yeah, we talked, you talked about before, about the school funding. I think there's only going to be one solution to school funding which I don't think will be necessarily the best way but I think what's going to have to happen is there's going to have to be tuition for grade school and junior high and high school kids. That's the only way they're going to fund it, because if they start raising taxes for property, and people are going to throw a fit. That's, yeah, and, you know, that's, taxes right now are political suicide. You know, Oh, yeah. and I don't think any politician's going to do that, so. Yeah, and the only thing, they, they would think of would be tuition, you know, if it works at colleges it will work down below. Right.
And, you know, that's going to, that's going to affect the people that are having kids in school, of course, which is probably the only fair thing to do. But, it will be hard for those that people, that have, have in school because they have to pay out even more. Exactly. And, you know, it's going to really hurt the, the middle class, uh, people, I think. Because, uh, they're the ones that will probably have to, to carry the brunt of the load. Oh, yeah. That's right. So, uh, And most of the problems with kids in school carrying guns and, and knives and everything, I mean, good grief what's . Yeah now, that's, that's just unbelievable to me, you know. I can't believe that. I mean when I was in junior high and high school that never happened. You never heard about that. Well yeah, we didn't, we didn't even think about it, you know No. And now, you know, what do we have now. You know, got kids that, either got a, you know, a Magnum gun school, like good grief.
right. I mean, I'd, I'd be afraid to be in school, I mean teaching, or even being a student and think what, what's it going to be like for my, my youngest, an my oldest son, when he goes to school. What's going to happen? I mean I, I'm afraid for him to go. Exactly, right. But there again , you can't hold them back. Another reason, and you want to encourage them, you know, to, to be active and everything in school, but, uh, you know, with all the peer pressure that's going on, with all the negative things, it is, uh, it's a tough environment to be growing up in. Yeah, and lot tougher than it was when I was going to school, and that was, well I was, I graduated high school in nineteen seventy-nine, so. Okay. That was what, twelve years ago, I guess. Right. So, you know, it's lot different now.
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