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really, that's television I don't know in general on this project we're suppose to talk about so I mean, Yeah I'm sorry. That's okay, don't, I mean, I, I always . Well, it's hard to talk about something, it's like me talking about taxes or something, Yeah. I feel bad cause I mean, I should know something about T V shows. Oh, that's okay. I had one lady one time they called in I just signed up my husband had been on this project, um, and I, I, she called in and it was all about, we don't have children and it was all about, um, sending your kids to college, and why you would advise them.
And she was from Boston, and she, I shouldn't talk about this but she was, pretend she was a television show, and she was very snooty and, uh, her kids were going to places like Amherst and B U and I said I didn't know what that was I she went, oh, and I thought, um, so I know, I mean it's like don't worry about it television at least, you know, everybody's, at least seen television. During the war did you laugh when they had that man on, uh, what was his name Wolf Blitzer? What was that? That guy that was a reporter for C N N. Uh-huh. His name is Wolf Blitzer. Did you see it, him when he was doing the coverage of the Gulf? Um, I might of. I forget. Was he the guy that got captured? Uh, no,
that was the other guy from C B S, oh, what was his name, uh, Oh. I can't remember his name. Yeah, but what about this Wolf guy? Yeah, but just , they made jokes about him like on the CARSON SHOW and all of that, Oh. Jay Leno. You know, what my absolutely favorite show is? Uh-huh. DAVID LETTERMAN. I love that guy. Yeah, he's funny. And SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE, I use to watch that like I'd come home from second shift and watch him like for an hour and a half,
he's great. Yeah, SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE has changed a lot if you haven't seen it in about a year. Huh-uh. I mean I haven't seen it in a couple of months but, Has it gotten better? Uh, yeah, actually I think it has, I mean they finally like and some of those people they really have funny characters on there. Really. Yeah, they have one character on there they just call it Pat and they, you don't know if it's a man or a woman And they say well, they're trying to deduce what he or she is, Uh-huh. so to see if it's a female they say well do you carry a purse
and Pat says no I carry a fanny pack So you still don't know because a fanny pack is man, or now days, you know. Yeah. Yeah it's weird That's funny. Yeah, it's, yeah it is pretty funny I mean they do some crazy things. Like when WAYNE'S WORLD, I love that. Yeah, WAYNE'S WORLD, hey man And what's that other one where they, where they do the, um, skits, well, you've must have seen it recently? Well, I don't know, I've seen it off and on, I think. You probably have some friends that have television
Uh? I said you probably have some friends that have television Yeah, yeah. That's where I've seen it because I've seen it off and on probably. You know, I mean you're not totally out of the loop. Yeah. I mean, yeah. We, we bug our we, you know, one friend of ours got rid of his because we motivated him because we, you know, cause we were getting along out ours so he sold his. But the rest of our friends we go and watch them. Yeah, I mean you really, you can do without one but after awhile it will start, um, you know, I mean you just kind of all of sudden cause you're going well jeez you hear about something that somebody else talked about, Uh-huh.
and you just end up doing it but if you haven't been married that long, you know, you're doing other things Is that on tape? Is that on tape, there you go, yeah. That's funny. Oh, my what else is on I don't know what did they watch in college when you where in, where did you go to school? Oh, Purdue. Oh, that's a good school. Yeah. Yeah, I know about that. They don't have a southern accent up there though. No. You must be native Texan?
Why do I, Do I have a southern accent? Well your from Indiana, yeah. *your should be you're Oh, real southern, yeah. Are you serious? Uh-huh. I've been here three years. Deep one, you have a deep one, yeah Oh, wow, that's scary. It is, um, at Purdue I'm trying to think, I went to high school in Chicago, I'm trying to think what Purdue kids watch. We watch, uh, M T V twenty four hours a day and then every now and then they'd DAYS, they taped DAYS, you know, and watch it like four or five times a day. Uh-huh. Okay. That's the girls I lived with
and, you know, other then that I'm sure they watched, Do you know that I've never, I think other then accept on a commercial or on news coverage or something, like entertainment tonight I've never seen M T V? Yeah. You aren't missing anything That's kind of what I've heard It's pretty bad. I mean that's, yeah. Especially if you have kids. Don't let them watch it. Yeah. No we don't and I wouldn't even I mean I don't even have cable I don't think it's worth ten to thirty bucks a month to pay, somebody, uh, to, you know, give me a hundred and fifty, um channel access to something I'm never going to, No. I mean my neighbor her husband sits in front of the television all of time and they've only been married five years have a cute one year old kids I swear to God he works from eight, Okay.
Well, I heard Dallas is pretty bad with the crime. Well, you know, you know last night I was listening to the, uh, ten o'clock news. Uh-huh. And for the first five to seven minutes of a news broadcast all they were talking about was the number of shootings, the number of drug deals that were going on, and crime and, and it's so depressing just to even listen to the news anymore. Uh-huh The same way here in Dennison. Uh-huh. I mean, uh, back a couple weeks ago they found, uh, some people I don't remember at some fast food restaurant. They had been, I can't remember if they had been shot or if they had just been thrown in the freezer but I'm pretty sure they'd been shot and put the freezer at the fast, food restaurant. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. And I've worked, worked in fast food restaurants. They don't have that much money on hand, Yeah. they really don't. Yeah. I did too. I remember I used to work at, uh, Kentucky Fried Chicken.
Uh-huh. And, and I just couldn't believe, um, you know, that now I would hate to work at a fast food restaurant or even have my children work in one. Uh-huh. And, uh, because of, uh, the crime that they would, um, kill people just for the few couple hundred dollars that they would have in there, uh, in their cash drawer. Yeah. Right. My husband worked at a gas station when he was a teenager. Uh-huh. And he, well I don't know, he decided not to work one night or something and one of the guys that was working was shot, Uh-huh. and, Kenny quit the next day. Uh-huh. He just, he couldn't deal with it. Yeah. yeah. Oh, I understand what your talking about. So, yeah,
I have, uh, uh, you know, a real problem, uh, even though I live further out in the suburbs, the crime follows you anywhere, Uh-huh. Everywhere. it, it doesn't matter if you live in a small town or if you live in a small town or if you live in a large city like this. Uh-huh. Um, so, but, I just think about the all the different ways that we have to protect ourselves from, It just seems like a lot of people are attracted to the bigger cities though, Uh-huh. the worst part of it. Uh-huh. Um, I lived in Louisville, Kentucky for a while, Uh-huh. but, I lived on the outskirts too, but Louisville was pretty bad especially during like the, uh, Kentucky Derby. Yeah. At this time of the year it's horrible to live in Louisville. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. But, uh.
Yeah. So, I don't know, um, you know, it's asking about what kind of steps we can take, um, uh, you know, just as citizens to try and, um, uh, protect ourselves. I know I have, uh, um, home security system. Uh-huh. Plus, I have the, uh, the special lights on, on the outside. And I have, The ones that blink off and on. Yeah, that, uh, By themselves I mean. yeah, yeah. By themselves if you if there's some kind of movement, then they'll automatically come on. Um, Right. but, I mean it's just I'm constantly think about keeping us safe and protected, verses, um, Uh-huh. How many kids do you have? Two.
Two. Oh a boy or? One of each. Oh, that's what I've got, Yeah. Yeah. It is scary, are your are they babies or, No, no, there teenagers now. Oh, well good. That they're a comfort to you. I've still got babies. Okay Yeah I've got a, a four year old. He'll be four. And a three month old. Oh, wow. And it's scary sometimes. Yeah.
That's a problem. Yeah. I'm used to living in, uh, which we don't live in the city, Uh-huh. but we just. It's still more crowded than what I'm used to, Uh-huh. I'm used to having, you know, eight or ten houses on one street and this one's got houses on either side and, you know, real close together, Yeah. Yeah. and just, Yeah. It's different, yeah, living down here. Now, now the nice thing, uh, I feel a little bit more comfort since we're so close together like this. Um,
I, I feel like that there's going to be, uh, less crime or your neighbors going to be watching out for you, um, because it's, it's practically, it's in their backyard, too, Right. Oh, oh well, we think our neighbors are stealing from us, actually my husband. They, uh, well, the one of them's a teenager that lives next door and her friends are pretty wild. They've stolen gas out of our vehicles. Oh goodness. And so he went and got a locking gas cap for his. Uh-huh. They weren't stealing it out of mine so much, because my car, the gas thing is kind of weird where it's hard to, syphon gas out. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. So he, he went and got a locking cap and they tried to break that off. Oh my goodness. And you excuse me. He went down to Uba , and noticed that it was hanging off where, where they had tried to break it off. Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
And they stole our tailgate off his truck Oh goodness. Well, we can't say they did but, Someone did, We're pretty, yeah, Yeah. it had to be somebody that, you know, could do it in the middle of the night and, you know, they'd seen it earlier. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Yeah I know that it's a real problem. It doesn't matter where you are anymore. Uh-huh. It's, uh, more of a matter of what you, the steps that you do to keep yourself safe, and um, so that's, that's why I try and, uh, do, Well, the only thing that we can do as citizens is, you know, like, uh, watch groups that they'll have. Uh-huh,
uh-huh. But they can be dangerous too. Really. I've thought about it. Uh-huh. You know, that this isn't like walking around and looking for somebody you can get yourself into trouble. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I was going home the other day and I saw, um, a guy who, who looked like he was breaking into a window, Uh-huh. and I thought, gee whiz, you know, I don't know if he's really doing that or not or if he's, he's the person who lives there. Uh, you know, and, and I was thinking well, I need to call the police when I get back home and because it was about oh about four or five blocks from where we live and, uh, and I thought no, you know, because I wouldn't know if that was really a robber or not because it was in broad daylight. But anymore, you know, the crime happens in daylight, as it does in, in night, Yeah. Well, I watched it on T V, oh, I guess last year sometime. They'll break in at the day, in the daytime,
Uh-huh. and, I hear that, you know, it's if you lock yourself out of your house and you try to get in your house Uh-huh. it will you give that half the time it takes you to break in. Uh-huh. Uh, a professional could break in, in, half that time. Half that time, wow. I mean that's so scary. Yeah. It is. So scary you, you think you've got yourself all locked in and safe, and, and, uh, somebody could break in, uh, oh I have a dog, Uh-huh. that's the one thing that I like. I'm getting me, uh, I want a German Shepherd.
Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Um, I don't want any of those ones that will up the kids, Right. but I do want a German Shepherd. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Because my husband will leave every once in a while, for, Uh-huh. he works on the railroad. Uh-huh. And I'm scared here by myself. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. So that's uh, we have a little dog now but he is just as vicious as is, you know, if you, And loud. And loud, yeah,
and I thought that, uh, you know, we'd have to have a big dog but we doesn't need a big dog. We got this little bitty dog that, uh, part Dachshunds and part Cocker Spaniel. Uh-huh. And he, um, ease very protective, The Cocker Spaniels are loud Well that's, now that's one of the best deterrents for a robber is a noisy neighbor even if the neighbor's got a noisy dog. yeah. Very protective, Uh-huh. That's a deterrent. Uh-huh. Because they know that that dog's going to bark. That's right. But it's easy to fool a dog too. Yeah. you know, throw them meat or Uh-huh. um, a a real intense burglar can just get another dog that's in heat.
Right. From what I've you know, saw it on T V. Oh, wow, gosh. Well, it was nice talking to you. Yeah, it was. Okay. And I, maybe we'll meet up again. Okay. All righty. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. Okay, there's one, uh, I meant living in Texas, where you at? I'm in Rome, New York. In where Rome , New York? Rome, New York,
yeah. Rome, New York, okay, well, Texas, let me look at my husband and ask him, to some one else in Yes, they do He's reminding me of where I live, yeah. Yeah, I, I, New York does not Uh-huh. but, uh, they're, they're trying to reinstate it and the governor's opposed to it being that, uh, the Democrat that he is, and Mario Cuomo Uh-huh. Yes. but the state legislatures are more and more coming to supporting it. Yeah, I, uh, I ethically don't like the idea but, or I should say morally I don't like the idea,
but, uh, social and ethics, socially and ethically I think it's a good idea, in certain crimes. I'd, I would agree, with that even more, I don't know if this is cold and too pragmatically but I'm really offended, by the thought that I have to support, uh, just the existence of, you know, murder, rapist, you know, right, that, uh, after they've gone and done horrible things, molested children, and kill, them whatever, that, society has to pay, uh, upwards , uh, thirty thousand dollars a year to incarcerate them. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Right, any , on the street, no, I know. Uh-huh. Yeah, and Texas is having a problem right now and it's, the, the, the, the, the I think that's the, the repeat crimes and the repeat offenders is happening down here where they're, they're patrol, the state patrol board is letting people walk that have done, oh, heinous things from from killing police officers to, I mean just multiple, you know, molestations to murders of children, just, you know, really bad things and they're get, these people are getting out like three to five years before they're even suppose to be considered, Right. and now, they can't find them and they're finding bodies in you know, I mean, you think why they say it's because you're over crowd, it's over crowded, and you think how is, is everybody that stupid
or is the world really that rotten I, I don't know, I know. it's a hard question, you look at the United States, we have the largest murder rate of any developed, uh, And then, or, uh, I don't know how Americans are about handguns but, uh, yesterday a lady I work with just told me today that, uh, in the state capitol here in Austin, Texas, they had been, uh, looking at a bill, uh, making it easier to accept the bill to access, to access handguns and they passed it, which basically means without an F B I check any person here in this state over twenty-one can get a gun Here in New York it's a lot harder than that, uh Is it, that's good. it takes, uh, it takes almost six months to get, uh, handgun permit, in this state. Say, that good, I think that's, like the state of Virginia, yeah, that's great. Now, the, the,
and that's with, uh, you have to have, uh, oh, a police investigation, you have to, have references, Uh-huh. and I know, because a friend of mine wanted to get one and listed me as a reference uh, Uh-huh. and I know it, there is, it's very easy to get, uh, uh, you know, there's no restrictions, whatsoever, on hunting rifles and shotguns and things like that, which aren't the, I, I don't consider to be the kind of crime, uh, weapon, you know, Uh-huh. Right, they're no, the cattiness behind, right, yeah, uh, so, I mean I don't like guns in general but when I think about, uh, this topic like capital punishment I look at somebody, I mean, I just remember when I was in college in a dorm and I think if he'd been around one of my family members probably would have killed him but in Florida, in the state of Washington when they had the Ted Bundy case
Right. and how they just well, it hasn't been just but it was in the, I think the second or third quarter of last year, nineteen ninety Right. and I had, you know, I knew some people that said, why are you glad, you you know, this is nothing, and I said just maybe because he got a lot of media hype and all that but I actually, I mean in there should be more cases like that where they flip a I might be too cold too, but they flip a switch, Yeah, yeah, I don't know, well, and the thing with Bundy was though he escaped I mean, and then So many times. yeah Yeah. and did it again
and, uh, Yeah, I mean, and that's just maybe because of the little more, they said celebrated that, uh, he's not the only one, you know, No. you, you see somebody's mini series and you hear about somebody's crime, there was something on, and this gets back to capital punishment, but the man had stolen, uh, not stolen but kidnapped, uh, some wealthy ex-athlete's daughter somewhere in Florida and they changed all the facts that they said it was true Uh-huh. and they buried her alive Oh, God. and Peter Strauss had played the lead role and the man, and, and at the end of, you know how they have these mini dramas, at the end they said, this set person was paroled like six months ago and you're thinking oh, that's nice. Great. I mean, you know, I'm not sure that capital punishment serves as a deterrence but it does serve as a uh, definite, you know, lasting
Surely, there's and end to, the situation. Right, in that particular instance, uh, but I, but I don't, but I know it's on a and all and be all, Right. that's the problem I have with it, in Texas they think it's and all and be all, they think that if they electrocute or slip, or do something, or gas somebody, uh, that they're not going to have the crimes that they do have and we happen to live in Dallas which is extremely crime, ridden, Uh-huh. and we just moved here, uh, we've been here before, lived in Minneapolis, Saint Paul, uh, which has an exceedingly low crime rate, and then we were transferred back here, and when you're gone from some place like it for about six years as we were, you really begin to see, uh, just how problematic just living is, even suburban, no matter where you are, Right. and how, you're in, Rome, New York, Rome, New York,
it's up state it it's, uh, near Syracuse is that and, and, is that like near Albany or Syracuse, it's about, uh, well, I, I actually live in a Village of Sylvan Beach, I work in Rome, uh, What, what type of area is that, It's more rural, is that in term, uh, it use to be use to be a, uh, uh, have a lot of heavy industry, Uh-huh. Uh-huh. but it's kind of, uh, all the industry has gone south, Sure. and, uh, now the Air Force is the largest employer in the, uh, area and, uh, uh, so it's, Not too bad, How would, how is the situation in there in terms of crime and, and things that would, it, you know, you still have the, uh, more drug problems and typical, uh, small city type problems,
not too bad. Yeah. Uh-huh. but I don't know that there's a real, uh, Not the harsh criminality, that you find in, no there isn't the harsh crime and all. yeah, now, Dallas is a I'm being very sarcastic, it's just a great, uh, on some days, uh, it's, uh, I don't know the good ole boy network here is, uh, very strange, like I said they believe that, if they kill somebody, you know, tit for tat and, deed for deed that, that does something, uh, Uh-huh. Uh-huh. but yet they want spend the money to build the new jails that, I mean, they really are over, crowded, Right. I mean, that's, that's just not a cop out, uh,
and I just, you know, I'm originally from Pennsylvania which I think is basically like New York these days, I'm not sure if they, I don't think they have capital punishment there. I think, I think Pennsylvania may have just reenacted it because I'm from, uh, from Pennsylvania also, just, uh, just outside, of Philadelphia, Uh-huh. Yeah, and I'm from Pittsburgh so, oh, well, we'll forgive each other Yeah. Uh, because they use to be very, very conservative when I was growing up I and I can't, I haven't lived there in twenty, years Right. but, uh, The west part of the state is and then the east part of the state has got all the bleeding hearts and all the welfare cases so. There you go I don't know that's a different subject, altogether Right.
but, uh, I don't know I think everybody would feel it is same way if they were touched by crime. I think everyone would, you and I think are honest and candid because we could do it on, in this, vehicle, uh, Right. but I think everybody if they were touched by it would say, if they had any sense of rage that could be brought out, I think every human does, I think they'd say, yeah, Sure. do it if somebody in my family or if it happened it me, you know, Yeah, uh, if your friends or family got, uh, had that happen to them I think everyone would, I, they'd, probably pull the trigger themselves or flip the switch themselves and with a smile on their face, as they did it. Uh-huh. Yeah, I just, don't think that, uh, you can rehabilitate, I mean I just don't, uh, oh, I did a paper back in college a long time ago for criminal justice class, and I just, the subject, I remember we drew things out of a hat
and it was something, uh, it was basically the essence was does the crime fit the punishment and when you see how many repeat offenders there are, uh, check, check fraud cases where they go to jail for five to ten years and, uh, rape, rapist getting their hand, just slapped, you know, and how it is based on the judge and if the time of day that the court is in session, you know, all these, uh, intangible things Yeah. Right. and you're thinking, oh, you would not only would you not want to be a victim you wouldn't want to be a criminal either because you wouldn't know what you're getting, uh Right. Right. but, I don't know, methods of capital punishment I have no opinions on that either I just Well, uh, I, uh, yeah, I don't know I think the old gas chamber seems to be about the most painless because I guess it's a pretty, pretty rough thing to be, uh, electrocuted. Uh-huh. Is it, uh, how about the injection, Oh, yeah, an injection,
is that suppose to be. yeah, that would be even, yeah, I didn't even, think about that. Yeah. I'm not even sure, in the split among the fifty states, do you know which way it is the ratio, it's more than, aren't, uh, it's more that don't have it, I think, isn't that correct. yeah, there's more that don't have it but amazingly it's like, uh, Massachusetts went back, and reinstated capital punishment, oh, maybe six or seven years ago, Uh-huh. Uh-huh. I don't know if they've used it since then since they've reinstated it but, uh, it's on the books.
Yeah, I don't know if they've, they did something about I'm not sure if Texas, Minnesota, I, they didn't, they didn't, they were well, did they have it, they were against it, uh, Texas, as I said, has it but I haven't been back here long enough to, to realize whether or not, if they've done it in the last, Right. Well, I guess it depends on what age. I am in the thirty something, so I know, I mean I lived through it. Uh, are you old enough to know about the war? Uh, just barely. Uh-huh. Yeah, I am, uh, twenty-nine. Okay.
So, uh, Well, yeah, you are old enough. Yeah. But But it was on the fringe. just, uh, yeah, exactly. Had some friends that were, that were in it. It ended, uh, when I was in, uh, college. In, uh, when I turned nineteen in nineteen seventy, I cannot even remember at this point. Uh, when I turned nineteen it was the year that, uh, the draft was still going on. If I had been a male or in Israel, I would have been number two. Really? Yeah Wowie! So I learned a lesson in gender Uh-huh. Uh, in terms of the war, I do not know. Uh, actually I do not really know that much about it.
I just know socially the impact it had here and what you hear in the media, you know. Uh, I guess I think it was, uh, uh, not that great that we were in there, uh, in terms of for how long it lasted. Right. You know. Uh-huh. What do you think? Well, I think it is, uh, basically the same way. It is certainly has affected, uh, U S policy though. There is, there is no question it had an overwhelming effect of how we approached the, the thing in, uh, Iraq. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Because, uh, the whole thing that was bad about Vietnam, it was no different from Iraq. I mean it was, uh, one country picking on a smaller, weaker one. Right. The devastation, yeah. Yeah. The only difference was that the government said, okay if we were going to support this smaller country, then we are going to support it a hundred percent. And we are going to consider ourselves against, in war, against these people as well.
Uh-huh. Yeah. And in full faction, Which, uh, yeah. Right. Which really was not the attitude with Vietnam. It was sort of, of a president's war rather than a country's war. Yeah, it just kind of dragged on. Uh, I do not know how you were historically. But I was a little bit older before I realized just how long it had been going on since L B J and Right. Yeah. It seemed to me like it was, it seemed like it was going on forever, I mean, I Yeah. yeah. It really, well, yeah,
in fact, because in terms of when your, there is at least ten years between us, so in terms of when you were in school, I am sure that it was, you know, the majority of your high school and junior high years. Uh-huh. Uh, one of the things I did not like was the weapons, the weapons, I can't even say it, the weaponry systems that they used. Yeah. Uh, it just did not seem that, uh, I do not know, technically we knew what we were doing either. Right. And then you heard about the things like agent orange, et cetera, and you would think, you know, just, uh, how could the government or the Pentagon, uh, or whomever is in charge there been so careless. Yeah, right. Uh, Of course now uh, now everyone's more, uh, you know, environmentally uh, intelligent than they were back then. Conscious, yeah. I mean back then it was not commonly known that saccharin was bad for you and all these other things that people that people know about themselves now. Nutrisweet, yeah, and all these other things.
That is true, uh, Uh, monetarily too, I just do not think we have done enough for the, uh, Vietnamese people as a whole. Uh, in South Vietnam, in general, in helping them restore themselves. Uh-huh You know, and I don't know if it is because there are not any oil fields there Yeah. I do not know if they, uh, I do not know if they have that resource or not. Yeah. I mean I do not think they do. But I just think it is kind of a shame that, uh, you still hear things about the children that are orphans there and, Yeah. uh, so on a whole, I do not know, war is not good. And that one I probably, uh, my main opinion would be we should not have done it. Right. Well, that is what I know about the Vietnam War Yeah. Unless you, Yeah, well, you know a little, uh, a little bit more than I do,
explain it. I did not, uh, get to live through it. That the people that I know that it did, uh, felt very strongly. Uh-huh. Most of, I work for a government contractor. Uh-huh. So most of the guys I work with, are, uh, oh, at least some of the guys I work with rather are veterans. Uh-huh. Oh, Vietnam? And, uh, from Vietnam. Jeez, yeah. And, I have not talked to any of them that, that were not, you know, glad that they went or, or rather thought that the reason they went was a good one. Uh-huh. You know, most of them are very strongly that, that the reason for America to be there was a good one. And that, that, Uh-huh. They just felt that the way America backed them up was not, was not at all right. In terms of the personal.
Yeah. In term of, uh, Yeah. The bitterness is more on a personal level than on a, Yeah. Personal level and, and the finances, how they started. You know, like air attacks and stuff like that dropped off like crazy. Uh-huh. Because the Congress would not approve, you know. The money is So, Yeah. after, yeah. I mean, I think it started actually like, like in the late fifties. I mean like in fifty-eight, fifty-nine. Huh. I, I, So it really, I mean, because I know, in nineteen sixty-three, I mean I was nine years old, when Kennedy was shot. Uh-huh.
So, I mean I remember, uh, right around then that's when I first started hearing about Vietnam. But then as I got older and studied in school, I realized it was even going on before that. Yeah. You know, and you think to yourself, oh, my goodness, Eisenhower Yeah, right. That sounds ancient, yeah. And I know, I know, you know, a lot of the Vietnam vets that are my age in their later thirties, uh, guys that I know, that, they are just kind of bitter, you know. They, they, you know, I hate to that movie BORN ON THE FOURTH OF JULY, but it is that kind of idea. Uh-huh. You know, they just do not feel that socially they were given, like a friend of mine called it the yellow ribbon syndrome. Right, Yeah. They were not given the, right, the ticker tape parade and all that.
Yeah. So, well, I won't keep you any more. Okay. That is probably as about as much as we both know But thanks for talking to me. Yes. Uh, were you calling from Texas? Uh, yes, is that where you are at? No, I am in Falls Church, Virginia. Oh, I know where that is. That is beautiful where you are at. Yeah, right in, right near D C. D C, yeah. Are you a native of there? Uh, pretty much, yep.
Been, Yeah, uh, Dallas, it is, uh, ninety-two degrees here today, but at least the humidity is, uh, below forty percent, which makes it kind of like Phoenix. Yeah. It is about the same weather here. Really? Little bit, little bit cooler, like eighty-nine. Well, you, But, basically the same thing. Yeah, well you are not missing too much then Yeah. Right. Really. Well, take it easy. Okay. Okay. Bye-bye. Bye-bye.
Uh, do you want to give a start on it? Well, I think for me, I, I'm from Alabama. Uh-huh. South Alabama, and so I grew up in the midst of civil rights movement. Uh, in a pretty liberal family for, for that area at the time. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. And so I was very much a part of all the, uh you know, what was going on there. Uh-uh. Uh, my parents are pretty active and, uh, it was very scary and, but now we've seen, you know, uh, black people have a lot more civil rights in that area and I guess all over than they did, you know, twenty years ago. Oh, definitely. There's still a lot to be you know, to be accomplished, but for me, when I think about social change, that's what I first think of Uh-huh. because I can remember, you know, separate public restrooms and separate water fountains and sitting in the back of the bus and everything. Uh-huh. You can relate to that.
Now see, we didn't, we don't have any of that because, well, like, we live in the country in Clarion County Uh-huh. and, uh, we really didn't have things like that going on that we, you know, uh, ran into. Uh-huh. So we kind of, uh, I guess when I think of social changes, I think, think more of, uh uh, visiting habits of families and such. Yeah. Well, that's true. Uh, That's a good one right there. Yeah, that there's less visiting done, I think, on a whole than there used to be. Used to be that you took the family whether the kids wanted to go or not, you went visiting And, uh, today, you know, people, they do visit, but it's not quite the same as, uh, what it was, say, twenty years ago, thirty years ago. Right. And I grew up in, out in the country, too, basically, in a rural area and with lots of family. Uh-huh. Uh-huh,
uh-huh. And so we were always at family in different family members' homes. Right. Uh-huh. But even now, you know, they don't even do that. Well, they're so spread out, I think has a lot to do with it. Well, and they're so busy. Uh-huh, uh-huh. People, people's personal schedules are so busy. Uh-huh, uh-huh. Mainly because, I, a lot of it has to do, I think with more women working Right, right. in our family, you know, twenty years ago, not that many of the women worked. That's right, yeah. And now, uh, almost all the women work.
The majority, yeah. And, so that means, you know, a lot of a lot of the social visiting and all was, I think, probably instigated by women at that time. Probably, because when you work you don't really care to go out and visit as much. Right. And now, That's right. And, uh, And now, uh, I mean my mother does not work and, and she, you know, she's finds herself pretty alone a lot because most of her friends are working women. Uh-huh, uh-huh. Uh-huh. But even just social visits, people don't do that anymore. You're right. No, huh-uh, they don't do as much.
And people don't feel comfortable just to drop in on people anymore. Uh-huh. There's a real, You have to make arrangements or have an invitation or, Right, you know, you don't want to, You want to make sure it's okay or, Yeah, yeah. I guess we don't not to make, invade people's privacy or whatever. Well, that could be part of it. I don't know for sure what it is. I know our children mostly are scattered out at a distance, so we really don't have that even. We don't, Well, out of, out of fifteen grandchildren in my family, only two of us don't live within fifty miles. Oh, really? And and most live within ten or, or twenty. Oh, that's pretty good. So, but that's, you know, that is rural, it's a rural family and most people didn't go away.
Uh-huh, uh-huh. I'm just one of the two out of fifteen that don't live in the, you know, even in the same state. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Well, apparently there must be work available, for those that are, Yeah. There is in that area. Uh-huh. Because around here, there's really nothing for the young people, no good, I mean there's jobs. There's minimum wage jobs, but, uh, to make a good living, there really, around here, there just isn't too much. Uh-huh. And I guess, you know, that would greatly affect social i. e., social change. Uh-huh, uh-huh. Probably the job market has and the, the economy has always affected, uh, social change. Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
Probably. So, well, there's the main things I can think of. I really tried to think of some other things and I couldn't really, Well, I think just, also, you know, the women's movement, too, has affected a lot of social change. Yeah, definitely. Uh, people marry, Some good and some bad Yeah. People marry later. Uh-huh. I mean basically, I think, now, again, where I'm from in, in Alabama that's not necessarily true because people do still get married right out of high school. Uh-huh. Uh-huh, uh-huh. But now out here in Texas where I am now, that's very unusual. They'd rather get their life started first before, Most people get I mean get, go to college or at least get a job
and even, you know, people are, seem to, a lot of people seem to be engaged for a long time before they get married because they do want to be financially set up. Uh-huh. Yeah, well, even to get school finished, I think, a lot of times it's better if they do finish their schooling before they settle in. Because a marriage takes a lot of effort and concentration and if you're busy with school it's, I think it's really difficult for a family. Right. But probably, uh, you know, more women being in, in the work force also greatly, greatly affects social change. Uh-huh, uh-huh. Because it affects child care and, Right, right. Uh Yeah, I know my, my daughter that lives in Pittsburgh, she has two little boys and they, they've been in day care since, you know, one's four
and one's one Right. and they've done well Now, I wouldn't want to do it that way, but, uh, she's quite happy and the children seem quite adjusted. Well, and they're, you know, they're, they're saying right now, we don't know what, we just now are seeing the effects of day care on the generation that's just now coming into the work force and in their twenties. Uh-huh. That's right, yeah. Yes, uh-huh. They are the first generation that basically grew up with day care. That's right, yeah. And so, you know, it remained to be seen exactly what that, what that does. Uh-huh. Now, I'm going to baby-sit my granddaughter. She's just eight weeks old, so this will be new for me
Uh-huh. So, uh, but the others I'm too far away to help them out at all. Where do they live? Uh, well, I have a son and daughter that live in Pittsburgh. One in Maryland and one in Connecticut. A son in Connecticut. Well, they're not too far, though. No, but like Connecticut takes eight hours to drive home and, uh, it's too far to, you know, really go too often. Uh-huh. Pittsburgh's not quite so bad. It's just a couple hours. Maryland, maybe five hour drive. Well, I live like fourteen hours from home. Uh-huh. That's worse yet. In fact I'm, I'm driving I'm, I'm driving home tomorrow, so, Oh, are you really? To go be there for the Fourth of July. Do you, uh, stay overnight on the way,
or you, No, I can drive it all. It's just me, You're young. So I can make it. How old are you? I'm thirty-five. Okay, well you're young enough yet to Although it's, it's, it is pretty, I don't know, I don't enjoy it that much. Uh-huh. It's pretty much like get there and, It's work to get there. Yeah. It's just not that pleasant. Yeah.
Even with other people, I basically just don't like to drive that far. Uh-huh. Now my son, they, they, flew, he rebuilt a Aranca Chief, airplane, and they flew down last weekend. They came down in it. And it still took a long time because it's not a fast, it's not a high-speed airplane. Uh-huh. But they enjoyed in thoroughly. So, When you say you're in the second phase of this project, what is the second phase of it? I'm not sure, but you have to change phones. You have to call from another, a different, Oh. Wondering how you keep up on the news. Primarily with our local newspaper and T V. Uh-huh. I listen to the radio but not, um, not like I did when I was working.
I am recently retired to that means I have a lot of time to watch the news on T V. How do you gain your news? I guess the, I get the WASHINGTON POST Okay. and that is a pretty big newspaper and I think that's almost exclusive me, my first of the news. Though I have the radio on when I go to work, I don't think the news usually hits, because I'm not going right on the hour. Oh, I see. You know. Well, that's, that is one of the handicaps with both T V and, and radio. If you're not available on the hour or half hour, then you lose out on an awful lot. Well, what is your newspaper? That is the WASHINGTON POST Right. is that correct? I have read that when we were in that area, and it is a splendid newspaper. Uh-huh.
So, what more do we need to discuss tonight? That seems like a very short one. Right. I think that, you know, we, we've resolved the issue and that's what we were asked to do. Well, I can discuss a lot of the news that we have, but, uh, I feel that that's not part of our responsibility. Right. Right. So thank you for calling. Oh, okay. Well, thanks for discussing it. All right. Bye-bye. Good-bye. Okay. Well, Carolyn, the, uh, one of the main things I'd like, like to know is, uh, how do you feel about the, knowing about the environment of a nursing home before you would send someone there to live and so forth. Well. What do you think would be required, and so forth? Uh, I'll tell you,
I, I watched what went on, um, with the TWENTY TWENTY show, I don't know if you saw that a few days ago that, that talked about nursing homes, and actually they specifically talked about some in the area where I am, here in Texas, and Oh, you knew of the homes, then. Pardon? You knew of the homes themselves? Well, I, no, I'm not familiar with those homes per se Uh-huh but, um, they were in the area where I live uh, Oh, okay. and it was really revealing to see some of the, you know, the things that go on, I guess, in some of these homes, so I would definitely, you know, want to really check things out and, uh, go, I guess that the big thing would be once you got someone in a home like that, to, to make sure that you went daily, you know and made sure that they were cared for, Yeah. and, Well, from your point of view, how would you feel about actually sending someone that, that's, you know, means something to you to one of those homes. I realize that you indicated you wanted to check out as much as you can about it Uh-huh.
and, of course, that makes sense, but how do you think they would feel, I should say, about moving from where they have lived most of their life into a whole new, new home situation? Well, actually, I have that kind of situation, because my mother lives with me, and she's eighty-seven Uh-huh. Oh, okay. and, uh, from the time that we were tiny, she said, you know, I want you to promise that you'll never put me in a rest home. Uh-huh. So I know how she feels about it. You know, if I, uh if I ever had to put her there, I think, uh, it would be probably when I just could not handle it any more, you know, if I she got to the point where she was totally bedridden, and, and I mean, I just didn't have the skills or the strength to lift her or whatever it needed, Yes. Uh-huh. I think that would be the, Well, how do you find that your, your personal relationship is with her, know that you're both together all the time and you are having to do a lot more for her than normal? Does that, does that cause any problems between the two of you? Uh, I wouldn't say any more than usual. Uh-huh. Is she, I think it's very hard for her, um, to be waited upon, so to speak, I mean, I think it's hard for her to have that role of not being able to do as much as she used to.
It's hard to accept the fact that you're unable to pursue life, at the level that you did before, isn't it? Yeah, I think that's very true. Yeah. Um, on the other hand, it takes on almost a, a switch of a mother child relationship. It is different. Uh. I had that almost similar situation. My mother lives in an apartment with my sister Oh. and, uh, so I, except for the three or four months this summer, that's the only time I ever spent with my mother, and, of course, since I see her only once or twice a year, I was just thrilled to have her here with me, Uh-huh. and I spent every minute I could to be with her and, uh, cooking foods for her, you know, just to make her, her life as though she were on vacation. Uh-huh. But somehow another, it, that doesn't work between my mom and my sister, and they, they find they, they are, in speaking they,
I don't know, my mother feels uncomfortable around my sister, and my sister's uncomfortable because her mother's there Uh-huh. and I guess it's just because they're there all the time. Yeah. So it's, it puts, has put pressure on both of them from that point of view. So that's, that's kind of bad news. And by the same token, my wife's mother is now moved into a nursing home, and after all she has been a farmer's wife for sixty years Um. and now all of a sudden she's had to move off of her farm, into another home where the environment is totally different. Uh-huh. She's relatively happy, but she doesn't like the food. And when she complains about the food then they kind of get angry with her. Huh. Uh-huh. So, that's another one of those things you have to solve. Yeah.
Well, that's got to be a big adjustment for someone that's, as you say, lived on a farm for sixty years, and then go to something like that. Yeah, after all, their, their life is so totally different because in those early days, the food, they had to make it from scratch, so to speak. Uh-huh. I mean, you raised your own chickens, and you killed your own hogs, I suppose, and then they they had to store the meat in, uh, Yeah. I don't want to say barns, but they had regular little places they, they would hang it, you know to cure it and so forth. Uh-huh. And, and now, all of a sudden, it, uh, comes in differently, it tastes differently. That's right. Yeah. Do you have a, do you have any, uh, major preferences as far as television? T V, uh, trying to think.
I was trying to think of some while they were calling you. Uh, I like Friday, what is it, is it Friday or Saturday night shows I think it's Friday night. Uh-huh, yeah. All the, uh, the one with the two little girls in it, what's it called. Yeah, uh, oh, Or three little girls. Yeah, the, the two twins play the, the twins play that one that the youngest girl. Right. Oh, yeah. I really like that. What's it called? Uh, I don't know, all I can think of is the name of ALL IN THE FAMILY but that's not it.
FULL HOUSE. Yeah, there you go. Yeah. Yeah, I really like that show. Yeah, that is good. I, I like, uh, we have cable. I really like watching the old NICK AT NITE shows, you know. Where you get to watch DRAGNET and MISTER ED Oh. and, uh, we, we can watch those all night sometimes if, DONNA REED Oh, really? Yeah. Uh, lately I've been getting into talk shows and Oh, yeah? Yeah,
just, you know, controversy and, Which which one does, which ones do you like? Just really whatever. Uh-huh. Just as long, it depends on the subject actually. Right. Where, where it's more interesting. Uh-huh. Some of them get pretty boring but, Yeah. Yeah, uh, there's that guy, I think it's out of Dallas, his name is, uh, oh, I wish I could remember his name. Is he one of the talk show guys? Yeah, he's, he's black
Maury Povich? no, he's black and has a bald head and his first name starts with an M. Huh, let's see. Oh, it's like, his first name's like Marlo or Marlin, I can't remember his name. Anyway, he always has like really strange shows like, uh, uh, male strippers or female strippers or just really sensationalistic, you know, like what Geraldo used to be. Yeah. Yeah, see, I don't, I don't like those, I like more controversial subjects, I think. I don't either. Uh-huh. But, I mean, yeah Do you watch cartoons a lot? No. No.
I'm, I don't watch T V that much, uh, anymore. It seems like, uh, I'm going to school right now so, Oh, yeah, where do you go to school? B Y U. Oh, really? Yeah, so, and I'm working, too, so everything keeps me pretty busy. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. But, I'm going to U T D here in Dallas. Oh, really? Yeah. My dad taught there for a while, Oh, really? yeah.
What did he teach? Uh, speech pathology. Oh, that's what I'm majoring in. I'm a graduate student in speech. Oh, wow! Yeah, yeah. No way. How long have you been there? Uh, this is my first semester. Oh, okay, so you wouldn't know him. Yeah. Who, Who, who, who, what, when did he teach? He, Uh, he taught about a year ago. He used to work at, uh, uh, University of Texas at what, no, uh, oh, shoot, I can't remember what it's even called now,
but, uh, he worked there for like fifteen years and then part time U T D at night. Oh, yeah. And, and then they stopped funding the program there. Uh, Uh-huh. and so now he's at Texas Women's University. Oh, really? Yeah. Oh, is he teaching speech pathology there? Uh-huh. Okay, what's his name? Allen Bird. Bird? Uh-huh. B I R D? Right. Yeah, he published a paper, uh, couple of years ago, I think, didn't he, well, one that I read. Does he publish a little, quite a bit? Uh, somewhat
and he has, he has some like different programs out, like I don't know what they're called, but they're like, and he has like little stuffed animals with them and like little cards and stuff. Uh-huh. I don't know that, Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, he has a test, he has a testing, yeah, a testing battery. He uses real, yeah, Right. I I remember. Yeah, well, that's interesting. Yeah. Uh, what are you studying?
Uh, I was, I am studying nursing but I'm thinking about changing right now Uh-huh. I just, I don't know, and it's really tough to get into the program down here so if I don't do that, if I decide to stay in nursing I'll probably come and go to T W U. Oh, yeah? Yeah. Yeah, I'm living in the T W U dorm across from Collier, uh, Oh, really? Yeah and, uh, My dad used to teach at Collier, too. Yeah, yeah, that's, that's where the speech program is. Uh, I'm living in that dorm and there, all those nursing majors. I, I tell you what,
that's, that's a tough, that's a tough, uh, field, though. Yeah. Nursing is. I, I have a lot of respect for those people. I mean, they've spent a lot of hours studying Uh-huh. So, you're at Baylor? No, I'm at B Y U, in Utah Oh, okay. Yeah. Brigham Young. Yeah. I see, all right. So, but, I get to come home at, on the nineteenth and I'm so excited Oh, really? I'm so homesick. Do you like
it's in Salt Lake City, right? It's in Provo actually. Oh, is it? But yeah, I really, I really like it out here. Do you? But, I've been, I, I've been away too long. Uh-huh. I'm from Colorado, so I, I've been away from there too long Uh, how, how, Okay, all set. Good morning Good morning. Let's see, music, um, well, I play a couple of instruments. Uh-huh. I try to.
What do you play? Um, clarinet is my primary instrument, and I also play a little bit of saxophone, flute and piano when I get the opportunity, which isn't very often. Uh-huh. Really, that's too bad How about yourself? I play, uh, the violin and play trumpet Uh-huh. Uh. and I run a municipal band and I sometimes conduct. Oh, wow. So, I'm pretty busy too. I play in three different symphony orchestras. Wow. We have a nice big one here in State College, called the Nitny Valley Symphony. That's great. Uh-huh. I play in the Altoona Symphony,
was about forty-five miles away Uh-huh. and I play in a slightly smaller one called the Lockhaven Symphony and Community Orchestra. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. So are you a professional musician? No, I'm, uh, just retiring from Penn State University Uh-huh. only I, I should, should have been. I spend about half my time playing music or preparing for it somewhere. Uh-huh. But, uh, I've been working at, uh, Penn State and using up all my nighttimes, and weekends uh, going to these orchestra rehearsals and, and concerts and so forth. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh, I understand, yeah. I'm in one community band here, and that's just,
well, we rehearse once a week. We generally have a concert every other week and, You have one that often. Yeah That's amazing because I, I, I have it set up here that we have at least six to seven rehearsals per concert. That's a lot. No, we sure don't. Wow. Well, one thing is, we have a summer summer series, and every single Sunday night we play at the library to have a little out, outdoor stage set up Uh-huh. Oh. and so we do that every Sunday night during the summer, You are busy. yeah, and then, I don't know. We just have an awful lot of engagements, and we're just having to turn a lot of people down, um, because, you know, uh, we don't want to do things like have a concert back to back or even two days in a row. Where do you get all this music,
I mean, you, you must back up and play some of the music twice. Oh yes, definitely, we really do. You know, you get your little Sousa book and you just flip through it, and that sort of thing. Oh, okay. So your, you don't play pretty well a full concert band music most of the time then. It really depends on who shows up. Uh-huh. Um, and it's always a mystery, because it actually doesn't matter who shows up, it matters what instruments they brought, because so many people switch instruments so often. Right. Uh-huh. But, um, yeah, in the winter we do more concert stuff and, How many people in your band? Um, I think there's about seventy.
Seventy. Yeah, there's a lot. Holy mackerel, that's. But, on any given night there's not seventy you know, Uh-huh. it alternates quite a lot. Boy, that is a huge organization, that's great. Yeah, it really is. Because about the best I can normally hope for is about fifty in, in the band I have here. Oh. Yeah, well. But that fills a stage and keeps us busy, but they were, half have been professionals from, uh, a lot of them are from, uh, faculty at Penn State here. Oh, okay.
And so they want to play things that, uh, push them to do. So that's why we have to work real hard when we get a concert together. Uh-huh. We have about four concerts per year indoors and two or three that we play outside. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. And the last one we did was in a large, uh, mall close here, we played Christmas about an hour out in this mall. Uh-huh, uh-huh. So that worked out very nicely. Yeah, that's fun. Yeah. Well, let's see. Well, there's another band around here. Someone at work is trying to get me to join that one, because they need clarinet players Uh-huh. and their concert schedule isn't as heavy, but they have more in the summer,
I think they have ten in the summer, you know, one, one week after the other. I think they're like Monday nights and they don't have rehearsals during that time period. Wow, that. Are you just saying you, you sight read every concert? Uh, well, it's not really sight reading when you've done it, you know, again and again and again, but some people are, Okay. yeah Uh-huh. some of them are. And where, where does this happen, Laurie, is this in Dallas? Well, they're in the suburbs of Dallas, in Richardson and Plano. Uh-huh. We're real close to Dallas. Well, I declare. Yeah. That's amazing. Yeah,
well, it's more of a, I think it's very much more of a social group than anything else, you know. Okay. And, and people always bring refreshments for after rehearsal and hang around for an hour or so Okay. and, That's probably why we get so many people. Uh-huh. Do any of your, you, in your group get paid for any of this? Um, well, the conductor gets paid a little bit, you know, we do get some money from the city because we do play at a lot of city events. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Um, I think he's the only one that gets paid. Uh-huh. And you do have to buy your music. Who, who sponsors you basically, the city? The city, uh-huh. Yeah, uh, my band is sponsored through what they call Parks and Recreation. Yeah,
it's a similar thing. Yeah. I can't remember what they call it, but the same type of thing. Uh-huh. Um, but we do get an awful lot of music, you know, we can borrow music from any of the area colleges Yes. or, you know, if some, some group just isn't going to play any more, they'll just give us their music, and that type of thing. Uh-huh. And we do an awful lot of, you know, we don't charge for any of our performances, but we get a lot of donations. Well, I, I work the same way Yeah Well, I'll be darned. It's amazing. Hi. Well, what do you think? Well, providing universal health care insurance for the whole country is a pretty big task
and I, uh, personally, I don't approve of it for two reasons. Number one is that I think that, uh, the federal government has a problem with the deficit right now, and if they were to administer this, they would, uh, get us more and more into debt, further than we can ever get out ourselves. Number two I think that the quality of health care would go down because the competition would, would be dried up and really no one would be, would only answer to, to the government to a big bureaucratic mess. And, uh, I've seen what it has done in other countries and so I don't think, uh, I don't think we should head in that direction. Although that we have problems right now and I do agree that they exist because health care insurance for, for everyone is skyrocketing and it's become to a point where basically no one can afford it anymore. Uh-huh. How do you feel about the whole ordeal? Well, I agree that it's a big task, but I think that, I think that the U S should move toward some kind of national health care plan. At least as a long term kind of goal. Uh-huh. And possibly, just starting with more regulation of health insurance and that sort of thing, but I think that ultimately it would be a good idea to, uh, and not have a completely socialized, medical system in the country, maybe something about halfway between that and what we have now. Uh-huh.
Okay. It, uh, just because it seems that, uh, health insurance costs are sky rocketing, well, as fast as the national deficit perhaps Oh, yeah. and so that, and that's a that's a vicious cycle, of course. But what, What you're Yeah, so what you're saying though, is instead of having the national government, uh, government administer, giving health insurance to every man, woman and child with, throughout the whole company, you see more of them as regulating the high costs, uh, that people are forced to pay for it right now. Because, Is that is that correct, Um, or do you think that, Well, I, uh, well, I wouldn't exclude the possibility of the government actually administrating it ultimately. I don't think that that would necessarily be such a bad idea. And, uh Well, with the, with the costs as they are right now, do you think that the government, uh, because what that would require is for us to pay, uh, more taxes and the, the the people that can afford taxes, the middle income and the upper income will be paying more taxes to, to pay for health insurance for everyone, whereas right now the, the public themselves get health insurance Right. and they provide their own health insurance.
The, well, as it is now, the middle and upper classes are paying more than their share for the health care of the whole country because they're the only people that can afford health insurance and so that the other people have no health insurance and, you know, they'll get medical care anyway at least in emergencies and somebody winds up paying for that and basically the people paying for it are the people who are buying health insurance so I don't see that anything, that this situation would get any worse. That way it might get better. You think it might get better, huh? I, I kind of disagree Uh-huh. The reason being is, uh, we have, I don't know, I guess it's my, my fear of the national government and also because the bureaucratic rules that it would take to administer it Uh-huh. and, uh, the, the health insurance companies right now pretty much regulate and are pretty picky and, and, uh, don't allow cases where they might throw them out of business, whereas the federal government if they took over everything, they wouldn't care because they'll never go out of business. People would still have to pay taxes, the money would have to come from somewhere and so you'd I, I feel that the cost would increase dramatically also. But in the same sense the, the care and the, the attitude of the doctors and the professionals within the medical, uh, field would, would diminish.
Uh-huh. Uh, Yeah, well, I think, Okay Yes. First off, speaking of air pollution I'm coughing . Um, I'm not sure what contributes to air pollution exactly. I find it hard to believe that a lot of the hair sprays and things that we use cause the air pollution. Yeah, it, it. It doesn't seem like, but I guess when you think of it everybody has some sort of aerosol in their home you know, Yeah. and it's kind of dangerous. Yeah, that's true. Uh-huh. Uh, I don't know. We live, um, well, I'm close to Salt Lake
Uh-huh. and there's mountains, uh, you know, all around. But sometimes I think tend to hold a little bit of it in, you know. Oh, yeah. Really, it's, it's fairly clean, um, I think it's a fairly clean city compared to some, but, you know how quite a, But you think the mountains and the, are kind of a barrier? Yeah Oh . I think sometimes it seems to be but, But, uh, anyway, I don't know. That's an interesting thought. I know there's a lot of plants here, when I drive down you know, along the, just along the freeway, there's a lot of plants that they're burning things Uh-huh. and, Here in Texas I know a lot of the, pretty much every place here is relatively flat, and so I would think that that would probably contribute to us not having that big of a, like a smog problem or something like that. Oh, uh-huh.
Yeah. We, we have a real fog problem. Um. Um. The last few years just in, through December and January it, it really is foggy and, and seems to just, um, it's kind of like it, it just stays for a month quite foggy. Uh-huh. But, uh, gee, I don't, I don't know what else. I I know cars I yeah, I guess I've never really, uh, thought about the fact, like in California they, they have a lot of smog problems. Uh-huh. And it's real hilly there. Yeah. So that is probably something that plays a big factor. I think probably just, uh, a lot of factories, um, you know, they have the smoke stacks, I guess you call them and different things like that. Uh-huh. Yeah,
that's, that's what I see burning a lot. I'm not exactly sure what they're burning. I know, uh-huh, there are some oil companies, and I'm sure that that contributes a lot Uh-huh. just the burning of the Aren't they supposed to be coming out with some sort of, uh, special gas or something that doesn't emit certain chemicals or something? Oh, I don't know. I haven't, I haven't heard that. Um. I know, uh, I don't know how your emissions test is on your cars or anything, but I know I think they, they differ from state to state. Oh, okay. But, um, you know, that's been a new thing in the last few years, Uh-huh. and I guess some cars are a lot worse than others. I think those, uh, what are they, the,
I know, a Rabbit's one, diesel Uh-huh, the diesel. the diesel cars. Oh, yeah. Yeah, they seem to put out quite a bit I know a lot of people with diesels Huh. truck, you know. Oh. But, um. Well, do you, um, are you working for T I? No, I don't. Oh, okay. I, I work in Waco at a T V station. Oh. My mother works at T I.
Oh, uh-huh. That's why, And that's how you got involved. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. You work at T I? No Oh, okay. we, we have, um, my husband's sister lives in Dallas actually. Okay. And they kind of got it, us involved that way. Oh, okay. Yeah That's interesting. but. Well, I don't, I don't know. What else causes air pollution? Um, Noise. Yeah,
noise. Noise causes air pollution I've got, speaking of noise, you can probably hear my little. Yeah, that's why I thought of it. Yeah, he is quite noisy. Yes, gee, I don't know. I know that, um, don't dumps, you know, where you dump all your trash in the, uh. Oh. Yeah. Landfills. Yeah, I'm sure that does. I know they're always churning that up We just.
and I, I think they burn a lot there, too. Yeah. We just had a big, uh, thing here in Waco. They're needing to open a new landfill, or to expand onto the old landfill. And, uh, it's, it's really been a big fight because a lot of the people that live by the landfill don't want it expanded, because they're thinking that they're water is going to be contaminated somehow. Oh. And so they, Well, I don't think I'd, I'd like that. You know, we, um Yeah. when we've taken things to the dump, just the dump, uh, that is, uh, you know, closest to us, there's some houses around there, Uh-huh. and I know that on windy days, you know they're always moving the, the trash over to different spots, Oh, yeah. and they've got those big bulldozers, and you can see the dust flying, Uh-huh. and, and I'm sure that their homes are really quite dusty One one of the big concerns is they have a, there's a school right across the highway from the landfill.
and, Oh, is there. Yeah. So the parents were really, really upset. Worried about their their kids getting, huh. Yeah. They, they've been fighting over it for the last year, and they just now approved it. So they're going to try an appeal or something. We could talk about my favorite subject Cooking and food, huh. Food What do you like to cook? Uh, I don't cook a lot actually. I have just started baking, so, uh, I am kind of interested in cakes and, uh, muffins and stuff like that, but I can't seem to get them exactly right. So, I am just trying to perfect some things. Uh-huh. I tried to make an applesauce cake. Which I will never ever try to make again.
It was horrible Oh dear. I don't know if the cake was horrible or if I made it horrible. Oh, probably not. I, uh, have, uh, a bread recipe that is real easy that everyone always really does like. That, uh, doesn't require kneading the dough. Uh. Oh. Hey And, it is always, it is wonderful. It is, and what is funny is that you use, uh, bran, all bran Uh-huh. and it looks like it is a wheat bread. Uh. But, it is actually all bran flour Uh-huh. and, uh, you know, it is just regular the type that, you know, yeast and that sort of thing Uh-huh. and you let it rise
and you can let it rise in the refrigerator and then punch it down, and then, uh, make your rolls. They really are good Wow. and they are so easy to do. Uh-huh. That is seems like every time that we have a dinner party, or that we are going some place where everybody is suppose to bring something and they have had my rolls before. They always ask me to, bring those rolls Uh-huh. They request it. I have not gotten any requests yet. Last year, I had a Christmas party, at, uh, my office, and I, uh, made the tuna fish sandwiches. And everyone, uh, I mean, I think, everyone knows how to make tuna fish, so I thought that would be easy for me to make and I can not go wrong with that, and so I made it and, uh, I used celery seed in my, Do you use celery seed in your tuna fish? No I haven't.
And I just thought it was so strange, because I never, I thought that that was what celery seed was for. Was for tuna fish. Oh, how funny. And so, but everyone really, really loved the tuna fish and they just couldn't get over the fact that I used celery in it and it just surprised me. Celery and onion and, Well, see I, I have always used celery, I mean, I have used celery before. Uh-huh. But I never used the celery seed in it. Oh. Yeah. Well, what else do you put in it besides the celery seed. Just like, uh, really fine onions and green pepper and the celery seed and I use like, uh, Miracle Whip salad dressing instead of the actual mayonnaise because I really don't like the Helman's Mayonnaise. Uh-huh. But if you use salad dressing with kind of, uh, you know, kind of, I guess a tart taste. Then it comes out real good. Uh-huh. But, I, uh, it was the first time I have I have ever found out that the, the, nobody else used celery seed.

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