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From: julie@eddie.jpl.nasa.gov (Julie Kangas)
Subject: Re: Blast them next time
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Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
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In article <1r19l9$7dv@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> oldham@ces.cwru.edu (Daniel Oldham) writes:
>What happened in Waco is not the fault of the BATF. If they would of
>had the proper equipment and personal then they could of captured the
>compound on the initial assault and none of this would of happened.
>
>The BATF needs more people, better weapons and more armored
>transports. When they meet hostile fire they should be able to use
>more force instead of retreating to a stand off. If you are going to
>do a job then do it right. The BATF is there to protect us and they
>must have the proper equipment and people to do the job.
>
>With the WoD and the increased crime in the streets the BATF is needed
>more now then ever. If they blast away a few good fokes then that is
>the price we all have to pay for law and order in this country. Look
>at all the good people that died in wars to protect this great country
>of ours.
>
>With the arms build up in Waco they needed to hit that compound with
>mega fire power. They could of gone in there blasting and killed a few
>women and kids but it would of been better then letting them all burn
>to death 51 days later.
>
Well, it's said that people get the government they deserve.
Don't worry, you'll get yours. You'll sleep much better when
everyone with thoughts not on the government 'approved' list
is rounded up and executed.
Julie
DISCLAIMER: All opinions here belong to my cat and no one else
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From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar)
Subject: Re: BDI Experience
Nntp-Posting-Host: bmdhh299
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
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Sebastian C Sears, on the Tue, 13 Apr 1993 02:32:13 GMT wibbled:
: ... Came around a right hand sweeper (going around
: 45 mph) only to find a cager going around 30 mph, calmly driving
: along, with no other traffic around, in *my* lane. Not crossing
: the line, not swerving, fully and totally within the south-bound
: lane of 9W (one lane each direction).
And I haven't even got there yet. Must have been some other Brit...
--
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M'Lud.
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From: aruit@idca.tds.philips.nl (Anton de Ruiter)
Subject: ??? TOP-30 MOTIF Applications ???
Organization: Digital Equipment Enterprise bv, Apeldoorn, The Netherlands.
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From: boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle)
Subject: Re: Looking to buy Dodge Stealth, have questions
Keywords: questions
Article-I.D.: cactus.1993Apr6.041810.17295
Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx
Lines: 88
In article <1993Apr5.203719@usho0b.hou281.chevron.com> hhtra@usho0b.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock) writes:
>In article <1993Apr2.030031.15691@cactus.org>, boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) writes:
>|> In article <1993Apr1.104746@usho72.hou281.chevron.com> hhtra@usho72.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock) writes:
>
> I found a Mopar spec sheet this weekend:
>
> model wgt hp
> Stealth 3086 164
> Stealth ES 3186 222
> Stealth RT 3373 222
> Stealth RT TT 3803 300
>
> Okay, I'll take "their" word for it.
These arethe numbers I have been stating in the past 5-10 messages. It
really angers me that you insisted you were right, and that you had
no clue what your own car weighed. Why didn't you check when I first
told you that your figures were implausible?
>
>
>> I am giving every chance to retract figures widely known. The Mustang is
>> rated at 205. 222-205 is 17. You have a 17hp advantage over a Mustang
>
> Seems that the 1993 Mustang 5.0 is rated at 205 hp ONLY because Ford
> changed its testing procedures. Under the older procedures, it still
> rates closer to 225 hp. That means that the Mustang has 3 hp more.
>
I'd like to hear a better explanatin of how you come to that
conclusion from the above data.
>
>> Big threat. You are KO'd by a Civic, acording to C+D
>
> Yeah, sure, in your wet dreams. And that's probably where you got
No, sorry your wrong again. *You* quoted the del Sol as doing 0-60 in
8.1 according to C+D. Interestingly, the Stealth ES, which is
*faster* than your RT does the samerun in 8.5 seconds according to
C+D. Kind of embarassing isn't it? Why didn't you check the figures
before posting? It only makes you look stupid when you are caught out
twice with *your own* figures.
> that 11.2 second 0-60 for the Stealth.
>
>
>>> I'll check C&D's 5/91 issue. Strange that you claim to have that
You really should have checked.
>>
>> Go ahead and check asshole, you'll realize what an idiot you are for not
>> checking data beforeposting. Car+ Drive, may 91. Stealth ES, 222hp,
>> automatic.
>
> For 3 posts now you've been harping on this May 1991 issue of Car & Driver
*2*
> without posting any numbers. Why not? Because they prove me right and you
> ain't got the guts to admit it? Yeah, thought so.
>
If you insist, I gave you every chance to retract, but:
Dodge Stealth ES Auto does an 8.5/16.4 - Wonder why you couldn't find it?
Do you realize that a 9k Sentra (C+D) will run a 16.7, that a Sentra SE-R or Saturn
will run in the 15's? Don't you think it is kind of strange that your
222hp sports car is so easily beaten.
A Mustang 5.0, which weights about the same (according to *your* numbers),
has less power and is much quicker? Care to explain. Don't be abusive,
just try and come up with a rational explanation of where those 222hp
went to, its a mystery to me.
>> The Sentra SE-R really is alot quicker than the 222hp FWD Sports car.
>> You are close to the 9k sentra-e. Go look up the numbers in C+D - and
>> report please.
>
> No, I'm going to play your game -
>
> No way, Sentra's are SLOW! I took a test drive and it took
> 21.7 to go 0-50! Why, even the Hyundai Excel blows it doors
I guess you drove a 5 speed and couldn't shift/
Craig
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From: caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX)
Subject: Re: My New Diet --> IT WORKS GREAT !!!!
Organization: Omen Technology INC, Portland Rain Forest
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In article <1qk6v3INNrm6@lynx.unm.edu> bhjelle@carina.unm.edu () writes:
>
>Gordon Banks:
>
>>a lot to keep from going back to morbid obesity. I think all
>>of us cycle. One's success depends on how large the fluctuations
>>in the cycle are. Some people can cycle only 5 pounds. Unfortunately,
>>I'm not one of them.
>>
>>
>This certainly describes my situation perfectly. For me there is
>a constant dynamic between my tendency to eat, which appears to
>be totally limitless, and the purely conscious desire to not
>put on too much weight. When I get too fat, I just diet/exercise
>more (with varying degrees of success) to take off the
>extra weight. Usually I cycle within a 15 lb range, but
>smaller and larger cycles occur as well. I'm always afraid
>that this method will stop working someday, but usually
>I seem to be able to hold the weight gain in check.
>This is one reason I have a hard time accepting the notion
>of some metabolic derangement associated with cycle dieting
>(that results in long-term weight gain). I have been cycle-
>dieting for at least 20 years without seeing such a change.
As mentioned in Adiposity 101, only some experience weight
rebound. The fact that you don't doesn't prove it doesn't
happen to others.
--
Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX ...!tektronix!reed!omen!caf
Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, and DSZ
Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software"
17505-V NW Sauvie IS RD Portland OR 97231 503-621-3406
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From: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu (George Ferguson)
Subject: Re: ABC coverage
Reply-To: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu (George Ferguson)
Organization: University of Rochester Hockey Science Dept.
Distribution: usa
In article <cfoy0MW00Uh_41JndV@andrew.cmu.edu> Anna Matyas <am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Thorne is good and I've always been a fan of Clement (but I miss
>Mike Emrick!). My boyfriend, who is not a hockey fan, even looked up
>at one point and said, "These guys are pretty good announcers." (This
>is the same guy who said that Rick Tocchet looks like Charles Bronson...:)
Did your boyfriend comment on the fact that Clement looks like a
walking ad for Brillo pad hair replacement therapy? The guy's just a
stuffed shirt who thinks he's the greatest hockey analyst since Howie
Meeker (for gosh sakes). I'll take Schoenie any day.
George
--
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Dept. of Computer Science UUCP: rutgers!rochester!ferguson
University of Rochester VOX: (716) 275-2527
Rochester NY 14627-0226 FAX: (716) 461-2018
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From: andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman)
Subject: Re: Insane Gun-toting Wackos Unite!!!
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Distribution: na
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In article <1576@heimdall.sdrc.com> crrob@sony1.sdrc.com (Rob Davis) writes:
> Do you know how many deaths each year are caused by self-inflicted gun-
> shot wounds by people wearing thigh holsters?
No, but I have several other breakdowns of accidental shootings.
I've never seen one that specifically provides the info that Davis insists
that he has, so I'd love to have a cite.
>If you fall, for example,
> and land on the handgun or cause a sudden blow, the gun will discharge.
Wrong. There's one gun design where that can happen, and it is
supposed to be carried with the hammer over an unloaded chamber.
(Cocking the gun turns the cylinder so that a loaded cylinder is under
the hammer. In other words, it can be usefully carried in a safe
manner.) Other handgun designs don't have that property; if their
trigger isn't pulled, the hammer can't hit the firing pin.
> The number of people killed in this manner far outweighs the number of
> deaths caused by animal attacks or "wacko" attacks combined.
The breakdowns that I do have include the above category. From them I
can safely say that if Davis is right in ALL of his claims, a large
negative number of people are killed by animals, because we know that
the number of killings by wackos is reasonably large and that the
number of accidents due to gun failures (which is a superset of the
described circumstance) is near zero.
>I can find the figures if you don't believe me.
Please do. Include a cite for those of us who like looking at
context. Make sure that your source excludes other types of
accidents and suicides that are misreported. ("Gun cleaning
accident" is police-speak for "the family needs the insurance
money.")
-andy
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From: bw662@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill Cray)
Subject: Re: Thinking About Buying Intrepid - Good or Bad Idea?
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu
I bought an Intrepid about two months ago and am very happy with
it. Lots of room inside and even with the smaller engine it has
enough power for me. The only problem I found was a small
selection on the dealer's lots. They are hot sellers around here.
--
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From: csulo@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr M J Brown)
Subject: 600RPM Floopy drives - UPDATE!
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
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Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk
Many thanks to those who replied to my appeal for info on a drive I have
which is 3.5" 600RPM!!
I now have some information on how to modify this for use with a BBC B
computer. Not only do you have to change the speed from 600 to 300 rpm
(tried that) but also change 8 components in the Rec/Play section to allow
for the lower data rate (250kbit, not 500kbit as it was designed for) and also
change the Recording Current to allow for the low data rate/rev speed!
Hopefully this should sort it all out .... not bad for 9 quid (normally 32
quid and upwards ....)
The drive is a JVC MDP series drive ...
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_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ |
_/_/ _/_/ _/ _/_/ _/ | Michael Brown
_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/ |
_/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ | csulo@csv.warwick.ac.uk
_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ | mjb@dcs.warwick.ac.uk
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Lost interest ?? It's so bad I've lost apathy!
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From: gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Graeme Harrison)
Subject: Re: r.m split (was: Re: insect impacts)
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Lines: 30
/ hpcc01:rec.motorcycles / cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) / 2:02 pm Apr 2, 1993 /
All right people, this inane bug wibbling is just getting to much. I
propose we split off a new group.
rec.motorcycles.nutrition
to deal with the what to do with squashed bugs thread.
--
| Dean Cookson / dcookson@mitre.org / 617 271-2714 | DoD #207 AMA #573534 |
| The MITRE Corp. Burlington Rd., Bedford, Ma. 01730 | KotNML / KotB |
| "If I was worried about who saw me, I'd never get | '92 VFR750F |
| nekkid at all." -Ed Green, DoD #0111 | '88 Bianchi Limited |
----------
What?!?!? Haven't you heard about cross-posting??!?!? Leave it intact and
simply ignore the basenotes and/or responses which have zero interest for
a being of your stature and discriminating taste. ;-)
Yesterday, while on Lonoak Rd, a wasp hit my faceshield with just
enough force to glue it between my eyes, but not enough to kill it as
the legs were frantically wiggling away and I found that rather, shall
we say, distracting. I flicked it off and wiped off the residue at the
next gas stop in Greenfield. :-) BTW, Lonoak Rd leads from #25 into
King City although we took Metz from KC into Greenfield.
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350 W Trimble Rd, San Jose, CA 95131 (gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com) DoD#649
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From: mcovingt@aisun2.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington)
Subject: Re: Nature of God (Re: Environmentalism and paganism)
Organization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens
Lines: 18
In article <Apr.13.00.08.44.1993.28424@athos.rutgers.edu> heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath) writes:
>
> Fortunately, my own personal theology, which will probably not
>fall into line with a lot others, recognized God as a being both
>without gender and posessing qualities of both genders, as being both
>a masculine and feminine force.
That is not necessarily unorthodox. When Christians call God 'Father',
we are using a metaphor. The Bible in one place refers to God as being
like a mother. God is neither a father nor a mother in the literal
sense; God has some of the attributes of both; the father metaphor is
usually used because (for most people at most times) it is the less
misleading of the two possibilities.
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From: toml@miles.ca.boeing.com (Tom Locke)
Subject: $22600 Subaru SVX - Good deal?
Organization: BoGART Graphics Development
Lines: 20
Hi netters,
My friend is seriously thinking of getting the Subaru SVX. There is
a local dealer here in Seattle selling them for $22600, with
Touring package, that's $7400 off from MSRP. He thinks it's a
very good deal (and I think so too). Since he knows I have access to
the net, he would like to get anyone's opinion about this car, especially
in the area of reliability and maintenanability.
Please send e-mail to me as my friend doesn't have access to the net.
My opinion about this car is, you get a lot for $22600:
auto everything (tranny, climate control, windows, locks, folddow rear seet),
full wheel drive, 2+2, fast (143 top spped), heavy (3580lb);-)
Thanks in advacne!
--
Tom Locke Work: (206) 865-6568
Boeing Computer Services E-mail: toml@voodoo.boeing.com
P.O. Box 24346 M/S 7K-20 or: uunet!bcstec!voodoo!toml
Seattle, WA 98124-0346
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From: karish@gondwana.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish)
Subject: Re: Living
Organization: Mindcraft, Inc.
Lines: 31
In article <C4rz4J.4q9@odin.corp.sgi.com> amc@crash.wpd.sgi.com
(Allan McNaughton) writes:
>In article <1993Mar27.040606.4847@eos.arc.nasa.gov>, phil@eos.arc.nasa.gov
(Phil Stone) writes:
>|> Alan, nothing personal, but I object to the "we all" in that statement.
>|> (I was on many of those rides that Alan is describing.) Pushing the
>|> envelope does not necessarily equal taking insane chances.
Moreover, if two riders are riding together at the same speed,
one might be riding well beyond his abilities and the other
may have a safety margin left.
>Oh come on Phil. You're an excellent rider, but you still take plenty of
>chances. Don't tell me that it's just your skill that keeps you from
>getting wacked. There's a lot of luck thrown in there too. You're a very
>good rider and a very lucky one too. Hope your luck holds....
Allan, I know the circumstances of several of your falls.
On the ride when you fell while I was next behind you,
you made an error of judgement by riding too fast when
you knew the road was damp, and you reacted badly when
you were surprised by an oncoming car. That crash was
due to factors that were subject to your control.
I won't deny that there's a combination of luck and skill
involved for each of us, but it seems that you're blaming
bad luck for more of your own pain than is warranted.
--
Chuck Karish karish@mindcraft.com
(415) 323-9000 x117 karish@pangea.stanford.edu
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From: pmolloy@microwave.msfc.nasa.gov (G. Patrick Molloy)
Subject: Re: Eco-Freaks forcing Space Mining.
Nntp-Posting-Host: 128.158.30.103
Reply-To: pmolloy@microwave.msfc.nasa.gov (G. Patrick Molloy)
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Lines: 40
In article <1993Apr21.212202.1@aurora.alaska.edu>, nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu
writes:
> Here is a way to get the commericial companies into space and mineral
> exploration.
>
> Basically get the eci-freaks to make it so hard to get the minerals on earth..
> You think this is crazy. Well in a way it is, but in a way it is reality.
>
> There is a billin the congress to do just that.. Basically to make it so
> expensive to mine minerals in the US, unless you can by off the inspectors or
> tax collectors.. ascially what I understand from talking to a few miner friends
> of mine, that they (the congress) propose to have a tax on the gross income of
> the mine, versus the adjusted income, also the state governments have there
> normal taxes. So by the time you get done, paying for materials, workers, and
> other expenses you can owe more than what you made.
> BAsically if you make a 1000.00 and spend 500. ofor expenses, you can owe
> 600.00 in federal taxes.. Bascially it is driving the miners off the land.. And
> the only peopel who benefit are the eco-freaks..
>
> Basically to get back to my beginning statement, is space is the way to go
> cause it might just get to expensive to mine on earth because of either the
> eco-freaks or the protectionist..
> Such fun we have in these interesting times..
>
> ==
> Michael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked
The current mining regulations and fees were set in the 1800's!
What the so-called "eco-freaks" want to do is to simply bring those
fees in line with current economic reality. Currently, mining companies
can get access to minerals on public lands for ridiculously low prices --
something like $50! The mining lobby has for decades managed to block
any reform of these outdated fees. In fact, the latest attempt to reform
them was again blocked -- President Clinton "compromised" by taking the
mining fee reforms out of his '94 budget, and plans to draft separate
legislation to fight that battle.
If you want to discuss this further, I suggest you take this to talk.environment.
G. Patrick Molloy
Huntsville, Alabama
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From: PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal)
Subject: Re: Propaganda Re: re: fillibuster
Lines: 213
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
In article <C5otox.BJI@dscomsa.desy.de> hallam@dscomsa.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker) writes:
>
>In article <VEAL.740.735074621@utkvm1.utk.edu>, VEAL@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) writes:
>
>|>In article <C5n4wH.Izv@dscomsa.desy.de> hallam@dscomsa.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker) writes:
>|>>
>|> Or are they simply propogranda? We can't know what Phill *really*
>|>means because he's obviously using arguments designed to convince.
>
>I make no secret of what I am up to, I have stated explicitly in posts
>that I am a political propagandist on numerous occasions. Anyone posting
>to this group who is not probably has the wrong group.
>
>For example I have on numerous occasions stated quite clearly that I
>beleive that certain factions of the gun lobby are the worst possible
>advocates of their cause and I am prepared to do anything in my power
>to provide them with a platform because they can convince people far
>better than I could hope that many people with a fixation on lethal
>weapons are dangerous and derranged.
If you happen to know a political position which does not
have people advocating it who do more harm than good, please point it
out.
>Some people have even accused me of inventing such advocates purely
>for the purpose of having them trash a set of political views. In
>fact this would be a futile tactic because I could never hope to
>invent a character as dangerous as sybok.athena.edu, a man who I
>quite seriously believe to be mentaly ill and a potential psychopath.
>Unfortunately the local sherifs office have informed me that they
>are unable to act untill he attacks someone.
One of the advantages and draw-backs of requiring proof
on the part of the government before they may take action against
citizens. (and part of the reason some of us believe weapons should
be available.)
>So if you were to ask me what is the point that I am trying to make
>from this current argument on the absolute sanctity of the US
>constitution what would I answer?
We are not arguing the absolute sanctity of the U.S.
Constitution. In fact, the fillibuster we're talking about isn't
*in* the Constitution. I objected to your suggestion that the Senate
wasn't intended to exercise the power it was clearly given.
>Firstly I see that the current US political scene like the UK political
>scene has become tied to special interests. Rather than chase the
>convenient caricatures put about by the media and polititians themselves
>for this - Gay rights cmapaigners, environmentalists, zionists (i.e.
>Jews), "foreign lobbyists" - whatever voting power they have etc. I
>sugest that you look at who is really benefiting. The inevitable conclusion
>is that it is the major corporations owned by the ultra-wealthy that
>have benefited. Regan and Bush created what can only be described as a
>welfare state for the rich.
I'll point out again that Reagan only had a Republican Majority
in the Senate during his first term, and his coalition in the House
came apart at about the same time. Bush never had any real support in
Congress.
The real point is that everybody, *everywhere* got their pork,
from the big corporations to the guy I saw last night leaving a
convenience store with an armful of junk-food he'd bought with
food stamps. (He spent more in food stamps on junk than I *make* in a week
and I'm not on government assitance.)
>Money was diverted from programs addressing
>social needs and poured into the weapons industry in the form of cost
>plus profits contracts.
Lessee, let's pull out the old Almanac.
In 1980, total U.S. government budget outlays were 590.9 billion
dollars. In 1992 (est) they were 1.4754 trillion dollars, an increase of
approx. 884 billion dollars.
In 1980, National Defense cost 133.9 billion dollars. In
192 it was 307 billion dollars, and increase of 174 billion dollars.
That leaves an increase of 710 billion dollars unaccounted
for. (This represented an increase of 230%)
In 1980, Income Security (which includes retirement programs,
Housing Assitance, and unemployment benefits, and I believe welfare)
cost 86.5 billion dollars. In 1992 it was 198 billion dollars, or
more than national defense started. (This represented an increase
of 230%)
In 1980, the Federal Government spent 32 billion dollars on
Medicare. In 1992 they spent 118 billion dollars. (an increase of
368%)
In 1980, the Feds spent 9 billion dollars on housing
credits and subsidies of that like. In 1992 it was 87 billion.
In 1980, Health care services and research was 23 billion
dollars. In 1992, it was 94 billion dollars.
Agriculture, up 9 billion to 17 billion.
Science, up 11 billion to 16 billion.
Resource conservation up 7 billion to 20 billion.
Education up 14 billion to 45 billion.
Veteran benefits up 12 billion to 33 billion.
Trasnportation up 13 billion to 34 billion.
About the only things I see which was seriously decreased was under
the Energy category, primarily under "Supply," and "Community Development,"
in the area of "disaster relief," and between the two of them
represent a loss of less than 11 billion dollars.
Where *was* this huge diversion?
>In order to rectify this situation there must
>be constitutional revision.
Not that's a stretch. If the current government was pushed by
the President to create this mess, wouldn't one expect it to begin to
equalize once the pressure is gone?
>Secondly the form of this revision must take account of the changed
>circumsatnces of the role of the Federal government.
Only assuming that the new role is a positive role we want
to continue. I see very little positive about it.
>The constitution
>cannot be used to frustrate the democratic process.
The Constitution was *designed* to frustrate the democratic
process, so that the voters could be absolutely sure they were getting
what they wanted by the time it happened. Nor do I see putting the
brakes on the "democratic process" an inherently bad thing. Califronia's
riding the edge and every time they pull their ballot initiative nonsense
it gets worse.
>If the peoplr want
>to have welfare spending by the federal government they will have
>it.
Sometimes, or perhaps most of the time, the people should be
told, "no," and pointed to their local government.
>Attempting to prevent this through constitutional trickery only
>leads to the constitution being brought into disrepute.
Phill, would you do me the very great favor of repeating that
in talk.politics.guns?
>Methods will
>always be found to bypass such provisions and once the government gets
>used to bypassing those provisions they will bypass the others up to
>the first ammendment.
Cute. We can eliminate violations of the law by eliminating
the law.
>This is a major reason why the right to own
>guns should be excluded, the implication that this right is equal to
>the right to free speech is dangerous.
Free speech alone is dangerous, Phill.
>People know that mass ownership
>of lethal weapons causes thousands of murders a year, the dangerous
>conclusion they may reach is that the first ammendment may also be
>the same dangerous mistake.
OK, Phill. All you gotta show me is a clear pattern of
*reduction* in homicide rates across several countries and that'll
be it. (Not current, mind, you, reduction.)
>Note however that this is not the slippery
>slope argument. It is because the right freedom of speech has been
>chained to the privilege to own weaponry that the danger arises. The
>advocates of this pivilege must not be allowed to chain freedom of
>speech to their cause such that if they fall freedom of speech falls
>as well. Such actions are not the actions of people genuinely interested
>in freedom.
Who's chaining anything to freedom of speech? By *calling*
it a freedom?
>Thirdly and most importantly I want to discover a mechanism wherby I can
>engender intellectual debate as opposed to totemic debate. I consider
>the grave threat to civilisation to be the loss of the ability to
>reason about the political debate at anything other than the superficial
>level. The objection I raise to your basing your case entirely on the
>assertion of the supremacy of the US constitution is that the currency
>of your argument is limited to the currency of the totem upon which it
>is based. The danger of totems is that they can be reinterpreted in
>different ways by different people.
Phill, you're a master of subtly changing the subject. I haven't
*based* my argument against raw democracy on the Constitution. I've
tried to explain why it isn't a good idea. The only time I've referred
to the Constitution is to point out it doesn't contain the restrictions
on the veto and the Senate you appear to believe were "meant," but
just didn't make it in there.
The Constitution doesn't *contain* the 41% fillibuster rule.
I only believe that the rule is a good idea. You cn't dismiss that
as venerating the Constitution because it isn't *in* the Constitution.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
David Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group
PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu - "I still remember the way you laughed, the day
your pushed me down the elevator shaft; I'm beginning to think you don't
love me anymore." - "Weird Al"
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From: MWEINTR@auvm.american.edu
Subject: Re: Trade rumor: Montreal/Ottawa/Phillie
Article-I.D.: auvm.93095.210625MWEINTR
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Lines: 38
Also sprach slegge@kean.ucs.mun.ca ...
>TSN Sportsdesk just reported that the OTTAWA SUN has reported that
>Montreal will send 4 players + $15 million including Vin Damphousse
>and Brian Bellows to Phillidelphia, Phillie will send Eric Lindros
>to Ottawa, and Ottawa will give it's first round pick to Montreal.
>
>If this is true, it will most likely depend on whether or not Ottawa
>gets to choose 1st overall. Can Ottawa afford Lindros' salary?
>
>Personally, I can't see Philli giving up Lindros -- for anything.
>They didn't give away that much to Quebec just to trade him away
>again. Not to mention that Lindros seems to be a *huge* draw in
>Phillie -- and that he represents a successful future for the
>franchise.
>
>Ottawa may be better off taking the 4 players +$15 from Montreal
>for the pick.
>
>Stephen Legge
>SLEGGE@kean.ucs.munc.ca
Two things:
1. Didn't the trade deadline pass two weeks ago?
2. The FLYERS would never ever EVER give up Lindros, simple as that.
Go Flyers, Cup in '94...
Mike
---
***Yes-Rush-Marillion-ELP-Genesis-King Crimson-Dream Theater-Beatles***
* Mike Weintraub, aka Jvi on IRC "Courageous convictions *
* mweintr@american.edu will drag the dream *
* jedi@wave.cerf.net into existence" *
* The American University, Washington DC - Rush (NOT Limbaugh) *
***Go Philadelphia Flyers, Vancouver Canucks & Philadelphia Phillies***
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Subject: AutoCAD -> TIFF Can it be done????
From: cvadrmaz@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu
Organization: California State Polytechnic University, Pomona
Nntp-Posting-Host: acvax2
Nntp-Posting-User: cvadrmaz
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Hello, I realize that this might be a FAQ but I have to ask since I don't get a
change to read this newsgroup very often. Anyways for my senior project I need
to convert an AutoCad file to a TIFF file. Please I don't need anyone telling
me that the AutoCAD file is a vector file and the TIFF is a bit map since I
have heard that about 100 times already I would just like to know if anyone
knows how to do this or at least point me to the right direction.
Any help greatly appreciated,
Matt Georgy
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From: mdgoodma@apgea.army.mil (Malcolm D. Goodman <mdgoodma>)
Subject: Sale -- Fiber Optic Modems, RF Modem, etc -- Best Offer
Distribution: na
Organization: APG-Edgewood, MD, USA
Lines: 26
PLease take these and use them. Take advantage of me... I really
don't know what they are worth.
Qty 2 - Canoga Perkins Fiber Optic Modems, Model 2250, RS-422
Interface, appear new. I have powered up but that's all,
I have not used them and I cannot tell you whether they
work or not.
Make Offer.........
Qty 1 - ISC Datacom RF Modem, Model 1056-TX1-RX5-SM-120, Interface
RS-449, Internal Fan, powers up fine but otherwise condition
unknown, Phone # for the company is 408-747-0300.
Make Offer ............
Qty 1 - Motorola UDS 212 A/D Modem, RS-232 interface appears to work
but I have not and cannot check it.
Make Offer .............
Thanks and please buy this stuff or it goes out the door
Mack
mdgoodma@cbda8.apgea.army.mil
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From: graham@sparc1.ottawa.jade.COM (Jay Graham)
Subject: Mix GL with X (Xlib,Xt,mwm)
Organization: The Internet
Lines: 38
NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu
To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu
I am developing an X (Xt,Xm) application that will include a graphics window
of some sort with moving symbols among other things. A pure X application
could be implemented with Motif widgets, one of which would be an
XmDrawingArea for drawing with Xlib. But I would like to take advantage of
the Graphics Library (GL) available on our IBM RS/6000 (SGI's GL i believe).
Is it possible to mix X and GL in one application program?
Can I use GL subroutines in an XmDrawingArea or in an X window opened by me
with XOpenWindow?
I have never used GL before, but the doc on GL winopen() says that the first
time winopen() is called it opens a connection to the server. Also, most of
the GL calls do not require a Display or GC, unlike most X calls. From this
initial information it appears that X and GL cannot be mixed easily. Is this
true?
Does PEX (graPHIGS?) have the same functionality of GL?
Environment:
AIXwindows X11R4
Motif 1.1
GL is available
AIX Sys V 3.2
IBM RS/6000 360
Thanks in advance.
Jay Graham
Jade Simulations International Corp.
14 Colonnade Road, Suite 150
Nepean, Ontario, Canada
613-225-5900 x226
graham@ottawa.jade.com
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From: johnh@macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au (John Haddy)
Subject: Re: Help wanted
Organization: Macquarie University
Lines: 54
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au
In article <1993Apr20.071549.24839@csc.canberra.edu.au>, u934132@student.canberra.edu.au (Ogawa / Taro Stephen (ISE)) writes:
|> Could someone please tell me if a 1/4 decoder is the same as a 1 to 4
|> demultiplexer. I know how to link 2 of these to get an 8 output circuit,
|> but how do I link 5 of these to make a 1/16 multiplexer. Sorry if this
|> seems like a lame question, but I'm only a newbie to electronics, and I
|> have to do this circuit. Please make any mail as droolproof as possible.
|>
|> Thanx,
|> Taro Ogawa
|> (u934132@student.canberra.edu.au)
A 1 of 4 decoder need not be the same as a 1 to 4 demultiplexer, although
many commercial SSI implementations allow you to use one as such. Strictly,
a 1 of 4 decoder need only take two lines in and make one output change
state, according to the inputs.
A demux, on the other hand, uses two control inputs to determine which
of four outputs will reflect the state of the input signal. So there are
three inputs required.
A decoder can be used as a demux if it is equipped with an output enable
input, since this can be used as the data input (e.g. when high, all
outputs are high; when low, only the selected (by control inputs) output
will be low).
An eight way decoder is created by using the high order bit (bit 2) to
select which of two four way demuxes is enabled. Thus you achieve your
aim of having only one output of eight reflecting the input bits. Note
that this method cannot be used to create a true eight way demux, since
you have no data input (the enable line on a four way decoder) left
once you commit the enable lines to their intended purpose.
A sixteen way decoder obviously requires four, four-way decoders, plus
a mechanism to enable only one of the four at a time. Therefore, use
the fifth decoder, attached to the two high order bits, to provide the
four enable lines.
Of course, the two low order bits must be connected in parallel to the
four final stage decoders.
Please give me the credit when you submit your homework.
JohnH
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From: smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith)
Subject: Re: Part 1 and part 2 (re: Homosexuality)
Organization: Colorado Springs IT Center
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NNTP-Posting-Host: fajita19.cs.itc.hp.com
hudson@athena.cs.uga.edu (Paul Hudson Jr) writes:
> In article <m0njXCg-0000VEC@juts.ccc.amdahl.com> rich.bellacera@amail.amdahl.com writes:
>
> >Why don't we just stick to the positive and find ways to bring people
> >to Jesus istead of taking bullwhips and driving them away?
>
> Certainly we should not use a bullwhip to drive people from Jesus.
> But we shouldn't water down the gospel to draw people in.
Very well put. And, in the case of someone who calls himself a Christian
brother yet continues in his sin (and claims that his sin is not a sin at
all, but perfectly acceptable), what should be done? Should Christians
just ignore a sinful lifestyle in order to not offend the person? By
reaffirming that the lifestyle is sinful according to the Bible, are
they using "a bullwhip to drive people from Jesus"?
Frankly, I find the occurance of a homosexual Christian attempting to
pass himself off as a 'straight' Christian in order to have other
Christians accept his chastisement better a *lot* more serious than
people reaffirming that the Bible teaches homosexuality is a sin.
Walter
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From: kjetilk@stud.cs.uit.no (Kjetil Kolin)
Subject: Protected Mode ?
Organization: University of Tromsoe
Lines: 6
Is there anybody who has (or can point me in the right direction) any
information about protected mode? Also interested in protected mode viewed from
a OS point of view.
Thanks in advance
Kjetil Kolin
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From: Donald Mackie <Donald_Mackie@med.umich.edu>
Subject: Re: options before back surgery for protruding disc at L4-L5
Organization: UM Anesthesiology
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Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.214.86.38
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9
X-XXDate: Fri, 16 Apr 93 15:37:39 GMT
Subject: options before back surgery for protruding disc at L4-L5
From: Alex Miller, amiller@almaden.ibm.com
Date: 13 Apr 93 18:30:42 GMT
In article <2241@coyote.UUCP> Alex Miller, amiller@almaden.ibm.com
writes:
>After two weeks of limping around with an acute pain in my low back
>and right leg, my osteopath sent me to get an MRI which revealed
>a protruding (and extruded) disc at L4-L5. I went to a neurosurgeon
>who prescribed prednisole (a steroidal anti-inflamitory) and bed
rest
>for several days. It's been nearly a week and overall I feel
>slightly worse - I take darvocet three times a day so I can
>deal with daily activities like preparing food and help me
>get to sleep.
>
>I'll see the neurosurgeon tomorrow and of course I'll be asking
>whether or not this rest is helpful or if surgery is the next
>step. What are my non-surgical options if my goal is to resume
>full activity, including competitive cycling. I should add this
>condition is, in my opinion, the result of commulative wear and
>tear - I've had chronic low-back pain for years - but I managed
You don't say whether or not you have any symptoms other than pain.
If you have numbness, weakness or bladder problems, for example,
these would suggest a need for surgery. If pain is your only symptom
you might do well to find a reputable, multi-disciplinary pain
clinic in your area. Chronic low back pain generally doesn't do well
with surgery, acute on chronic pain (as only symptom) doesn't fare
much better.
e correlation between MRI findings and symptoms is controversial.
Don Mackie - his opinions
UM will disavow...
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From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Subject: Re: Too fast
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA
Lines: 43
In article <1qh61m$b6l@armory.centerline.com> jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes:
>It's a bit hard to "prove" a point like this, but I can compare the
I was hoping for something like "The chassis exhibits X
degrees of flex when subjected to forces of more than Y units.
Forces of more than Y units begin to manifest at Z miles per hour."
Not "Well, gee, it wasn't designed to go fast because, uhh,
well, gee, it wasn't designed to go fast. It's not a Porsche, you
know".
>come with better seatbelts, more supportive seats, a stronger
>passenger compartment cage, better brakes, a stiffer suspension,
>different tires, and a body design that takes advantage of aero
>effects to keep the car on the ground. What *do* they come with?
Well, as compared to the normal Taurus, the SHO comes
with more supportive seats,better brakes,a stiffer suspension,
different tires, and a body design that takes advantage of aero
effects to keep the car on the ground (or at least I think that's
what all that boy-racer plastic is for). You're kidding yourself if
you think any car on the road has a passenger compartment made to
withstand 130 MPH impacts.
>Compare either to the Porsche 911 and you tell me which was designed
Oh, right. Only 120,000 dollar cars should be driven fast.
They drive goddamn Rabbits at 120 MPH in Europe, pal, and I reckon
a Taurus is at least as capable as a Rabbit.
>certainly haven't convinced me.
Of course not. "Speeding-is-bad. Speeding-is-illegal.
I-will-not-speed. I-love-Big-Brother." You had your mind made up
already.
It's interesting that lots of the roads out west had *NO*
speed limits until 1975.
wr
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From: dennisn@ecs.comm.mot.com (Dennis Newkirk)
Subject: Re: Proton/Centaur?
Organization: Motorola
Nntp-Posting-Host: 145.1.146.43
Lines: 31
In article <1r54to$oh@access.digex.net> prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes:
>The question i have about the proton, is could it be handled at
>one of KSC's spare pads, without major malfunction, or could it be
>handled at kourou or Vandenberg?
Seems like a lot of trouble to go to. Its probably better to
invest in newer launch systems. I don't think a big cost advantage
for using Russian systems will last for very long (maybe a few years).
Lockheed would be the place to ask, since you would probably have to buy
the Proton from them (they market the Proton world wide except Russia).
They should know a lot about the possibilities, I haven't heard them
propose US launches, so I assume they looked into it and found it
unprofitable.
>Now if it uses storables,
Yes...
>then how long would it take for the russians
>to equip something at cape york?
Comparable to the Zenit I suppose, but since it looks like
nothing will be built there, you might just as well pick any
spot.
The message is: to launch now while its cheap and while Russia and
Kazakstan are still cooperating. Later, the story may be different.
Dennis Newkirk (dennisn@ecs.comm.mot.com)
Motorola, Land Mobile Products Sector
Schaumburg, IL
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From: battle@cs.utk.edu (David Battle)
Subject: ChemLab EyeoftheBeholder2 ClueBook EthernetTransceiver NintendoControl
Summary: Miscellaneous Items For Sale
Keywords: Chemistry IBM PC Games Clue Book Ethernet Transceiver Nintendo
Reply-To: battle@cs.utk.edu
Distribution: us
Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville - CS Department
Lines: 50
NNTP-Posting-Host: hydra1b.cs.utk.edu
I have the following items for sale. The highest bid for each to arrive
in my email box by 5:00 pm EDT Wednesday April 21, 1993 gets the item.
1] Skillcraft Senior Chemlab Set 4581
Safe for Ages 10 and Up
Used little
25 bottles of different Chemicals, Plastic Balance, Alcohol Lamp,
Test Tube, Litmus Paper
Manual with "Over 1100 Experiments"
$4 shipping will be added to your bid
2] Eye of the Beholder II
Fun game for the IBM PC
In original box, with original media and Manual
$3 shipping will be added to your bid
3] Clue Book for Eye of the Beholder II
Solve your dilemmas in a hurry and find all the loot
$1 shipping will be added to your bid
Free shipping on this item if you bid highest on this and item 2].
4] Ethernet Transceiver (ST-500 With LanView (AUI to 50 Ohm coaxial))
Works fine
Has nifty blinking leds for send/receive/collision/power, etc.
Built-in T
Includes one 50 Ohm terminator
$2 shipping will be added to your bid
5] Super Nintendo Super Controller
Auto Repeated Fire
Hands-Free Continuous Fire
Slow Motion (accomplished by automatically pausing/unpausing)
Add to a one-controller console to allow two players
$2 shipping will be added to your bid
Be sure to include a *SHIPPING ADDRESS* with *ALL* bids.
Be sure to include an *EMAIL ADDRESS* with *ALL* bids.
Send bids to battle@cs.utk.edu (David Battle).
You will be informed by email if your bid is the highest by 5:30 pm EDT
Wednesday April 21, 1993.
Items will be shipped US Postal Service First Class COD on Thursday morning.
A money order for your bid plus the indicated shipping amount will be needed
to receive the item. Please keep this fact in mind when bidding.
-David
battle@cs.utk.edu
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From: neil@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Neil Williams)
Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...
Keywords: BRICK, TRUCK, DANGER
Organization: Boeing Computer Services
Lines: 51
larose@austin.cs.utk.edu (Brian LaRose) writes:
>This just a warning to EVERYBODY on the net. Watch out for
>folks standing NEXT to the road or on overpasses. They can
>cause SERIOUS HARM to you and your car.
>(just a cliff-notes version of my story follows)
>10pm last night, I was travelling on the interstate here in
>knoxville, I was taking an offramp exit to another interstate
>and my wife suddenly screamed and something LARGE hit the side
>of my truck. We slowed down, but after looking back to see the
>vandals standing there, we drove on to the police station.
>She did get a good look at the guy and saw him "cock his arm" with
>something the size of a cinderblock, BUT I never saw him. We are
>VERY lucky the truck sits up high on the road; if it would have hit
>her window, it would have killed her.
>The police are looking for the guy, but in all likelyhood he is gone.
>I am a very good driver (knock on wood), but it was night-time and
>I never saw the guy. The police said they thought the motive was to
>hit the car, have us STOP to check out the damage, and then JUMP US,
>and take the truck.
>PLEASE BE AWARE OF FOLKS. AND FOR YOUR OWN GOOD, PLEASE DON'T STOP!!!!
>peace.
>--
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>brian larose larose@cs.utk.edu #12, 3103 Essary Rd. Knoxville, TN 37918.
>{}
As long as we're on the subject... Several years ago myself and two others
were riding in the front of a Toyota pickup heading south on Interstate 5
north of Seattle, WA. Someone threw a rock of an overpass and hit our
windshield. Not by accident I'm sure, it was impossible to get up to the
overpass quickly to see who did it. We figured it was kids, reported it and
left.
A couple of years ago it happend again and killed a guy at my company. He was
in his mid-fourties and left behind a wife and children. Turned out there was
a reformatory for juviniles a few blocks away. They caught the 14 year old
that did it. They put a cover over the overpass, what else could they do?
I don't think I'll over forget this story.
Neil Williams, Boeing Computer Services, Bellevue WA.
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From: mserv@mozart.cc.iup.edu (Mail Server)
Subject: Re: phone number of wycliffe translators UK
Lines: 37
> I'm concerned about a recent posting about WBT/SIL. I thought they'd
>pretty much been denounced as a right-wing organization involved in
>ideological manipulation and cultural interference, including Vietnam
>and South America. A commission from Mexican Academia denounced them in
>1979 as " a covert political and ideological institution used by the
>U.S. govt as an instrument of control, regulation, penetration, espionage and
>repression."
> My concern is that this group may be seen as acceptable and even
>praiseworthy by readers of soc.religion.christian. It's important that
>Christians don't immediately accept every "Christian" organization as
>automatically above reproach.
>
> mp
Good heavens, you mean my good friend Wes Collins, who took his wife and two
small children into the jungles of Guatemala, despite dangers from primitive
conditions and armed guerillas, so that the indigenous people groups their
could have the Bible in their native languages--the young man who led Bible
studies in our church, who daily demonstrated and declared his deep abiding
faith in the Lord of Love--you mean he really was a sneaky imperialistic *SPY*
whose _real_ reason for going was to exploit and oppress the ignorant and
unsuspecting masses? Imagine my surprise! I never would have thought it of
him.
How was this terrible deceit discovered? What exactly was the "cultural
interference" they were caught committing? Attempting to persuade the locals
that their ancestral gods were false gods, and their sacrifices (including
human sacrifices in some cases) were vain? Destroying traditional lifestyles
by introducing steel tools, medical vaccines, and durable clothes? Oh and by
the way, who did the denouncing?
I am terribly shocked to hear that my friend Wes, who seemed so nice, was
really such a deceitful tool of the devil. Please provide me with specific
documentation on this charge. There is some risk that I may not believe it
otherwise.
- Mark
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From: mlevis@lonestar.utsa.edu (Mike Levis)
Subject: 3rd CFV and VOTE ACK: comp.os.os2.{programmer.porting,setup,multimedia,bugs}
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
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NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net
* Attention voters:
*
* I had a problem with my mailbox on the first day of voting.
* Please check the Vote Acknowlegement (ACK) at the end of this CFV.
* If your name/address is not there, please send your vote again.
* (Actually, check even if you voted after the first day)
Introduction:
This is the third (and final) Call For Votes (CFV) for the creation
of four OS/2 newsgroups and the renaming of one:
(a) create comp.os.os2.programmer.porting (unmoderated)
(b) renaming of comp.os.os2.programmer to
comp.os.os2.programmer.misc (unmoderated)
(c) comp.os.os2.setup (unmoderated)
(d) comp.os.os2.multimedia (unmoderated)
(e) comp.os.os2.bugs (unmoderated)
This is the second attempt at creating comp.os.os2.programmer.porting
and comp.os.os2.setup, and renaming comp.os.os2.programmer to
comp.os.os2.programmer.misc. The first attempt failed in the summer
of 1992 (the voting deadline was August 31, 1992). The voting rules
state that another attempt for creating newsgroups can be started
after a six month waiting period (in this case, it is March 1, 1993).
This is the first attempt at creating comp.os.os2.multimedia and
comp.os.os2.bugs.
This document contains:
* the background showing the need for these proposals
* the proposed charters for these proposals
* voting instructions
* a voting ballot
* some example ballots
* the voting rules
* the voting schedule
* the Mass Acknowledgement
Background:
The creation of two, free, 32-bit compilers for OS/2 2.x (gcc/2
and emx/gcc; read comp.os.os2.programmer for details) has spurred
a continuing deluge of software ported from UNIX platforms, such
as emacs, less, awk, grep, sed, xscheme, ispell, flex, yacc, and
much more. Borland has released its C/C++ compiler for OS/2 2.x,
allowing for easier porting of DOS and Windows software.
Much of the PC hardware and drivers were written for DOS, and
later, Windows. As more people are discovering OS/2 2.x, the
number of people asking questions about OS/2's compatibility
with their hardware increases, as does the questions on the
availability of drivers for their hardware, installation
procedures, etc.
Multimedia is becoming popular. OS/2 2.0 supports Windows
Multimedia Extensions using Win-OS/2 3.0. Furthermore, IBM is
including direct multimedia support in OS/2 starting with version
2.1 (in addition to using Win-OS/2 3.1).
Any non-trivial software will have bugs -- OS/2 is not exempt,
especially since IBM is constantly adding new features to OS/2.
So far, IBM has issued system patches and corrective service disks
(e.g. the Service Pak) for free (free from BBSs and ftp sites, or
for free plus a small media charge for diskettes -- read
comp.os.os2.misc for details).
Proposed Charters:
(a) create comp.os.os2.programmer.porting (unmoderated)
It will provide a forum for developers of ported software so
as to coordinate efforts, avoid duplication of effort, and
spur additional development. The group will also cover
topics such as porting from other platforms (such as DOS,
Windows, UNIX, etc), toolkits which aid in program
portability (including porting tools such as Mirrors), and
so forth.
(b) rename: comp.os.os2.programmer.misc (unmoderated)
To keep the structure of the OS/2 newsgroup heirarchy
orthogonal, comp.os.os2.programmer should be renamed to
comp.os.os2.programmer.misc.
comp.os.os2.programmer.misc will still be the newsgroup
for OS/2 programmers to discuss programming issues and
technical aspects of OS/2 in an unmoderated setting.
(c) create comp.os.os2.setup (unmoderated)
It will be devoted to OS/2 system setup topics, including the
availability of device drivers, compatibility information,
installation procedures, system requirements, and overall
performance optimization.
(d) create comp.os.os2.multimedia (unmoderated)
It will provide a forum for discussion of multi-media issues.
(e) create comp.os.os2.bugs (unmoderated)
It will provide a forum for OS/2 system bug reports, bug
diagnosis and work arounds, the availability of system
patches and corrective service disks, and so forth.
[Note that discussion of bugs in applications belong in other
newsgroups, and discussion of bugs in OS/2 betas belong in
comp.os.os2.beta]
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Ballot:
----------------cut here----------------cut here----------------cut here----
(a) comp.os.os2.programmer.porting:
(b) comp.os.os2.programmer.misc:
(c) comp.os.os2.setup:
(d) comp.os.os2.multimedia:
(e) comp.os.os2.bugs:
(f) voter's last, first name:
e-mail ballot to mlevis@lonestar.utsa.edu by April 24
----cut here----------------cut here----------------cut here----------------
Example Ballot #1:
(a) comp.os.os2.programmer.porting: yes
(b) comp.os.os2.programmer.misc: yes
(c) comp.os.os2.setup: no
(d) comp.os.os2.multimedia:
(e) comp.os.os2.bugs: no
(f) voter's last, first name: Smith, John
In this example, John Smith favors comp.os.os2.programmer.porting
to be created, and comp.os.os2.programmer to be renamed to
comp.os.os2.programmer.misc. He also opposes the creation of
comp.os.os2.setup and comp.os.os2.bugs. He does not have a view
on the creation of comp.os.os2.multimedia.
Example Ballot #2:
(a) comp.os.os2.programmer.porting: yes
(b) comp.os.os2.programmer.misc: yes
(c) comp.os.os2.setup: yes
(d) comp.os.os2.multimedia: yes
(e) comp.os.os2.bugs: yes
(f) voter's last, first name: Doe, Jane
In this example, Jane Doe favors the creation or rename of all
the proposals.
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In other words, a proposal passes if:
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From: gt7122b@prism.gatech.edu (boundary, the catechist)
Subject: Re: Atheists and Hell
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology
Lines: 54
>>"We look for the resurrection of the dead, and the
>>life of the world to come." - Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed.
>I always took the 'resurrection' in this statement to mean the
>resurrection of the soul, but I guess resurrection does strictly mean
>the raising of the physical body. I have some questions on this point:
The next time you go to church, you can check the better creed, that is,
the Apostles' Creed. It says: "the resurrection of the body." Should
have learned that on the first go around. But what's a body without
a little bit a'soul?
>1. I always thought that Christians believe the descent into hell was
>pretty much immediate, and that there are people burning in hell right
>now. Where will my "soul"
>(which, by the way, I don't believe in) exist until that time?
At the risk of offending everybody, I will interject the 13th century
point of view. Christ descended immediately into the bosom of Abraham
to set captives captive. He preached to the saved for three days before
drawing them with Him back to this earth. I'm no expert on this part,
but Matthew (27:52-53) says about the death of Jesus: "tombs were opened,
and the bodies of many saints who had fallen asleep were raised. And
coming forth from the tombs after his resurrection, they entered the
holy city and appeared to many." (NAB) Regarding the hell of the
damned, of which you speak, Christ did not see it (Ps 16:10, Acts 2:27),
although it saw Him (cf. Is 45:2).
Concerning the abodes of the dead, I don't want to subject my brethren
to further anguish, so I will direct you to contact me through e-mail
if you are genuinely concerned.
>2. Will the new body I will have be created out of the same atoms
>that my body now is made of, or will it be built from scratch?
Your new body might be something like Adam's before his fateful encounter
with the Just One (Acts 7:52, CR trans. Vulgate): filled with infused
knowledge, absent of concupiscence, and immortal. It would probably be
a little glorified, too.
>3. Since I will have a physical body, I assume it will need a physical
>place to exist in -- where is this hell? In the center of the earth?
>Do you think we could find it if we dig?
I wouldn't recommend it. It's really hot down at the center of the earth!
You know, the normal geothermal gradient, and all that.
Regards.
--
boundary, the catechist
no teneis que pensar que yo haya venido a traer la paz a la tierra; no he
venido a traer la paz, sino la guerra (Mateo 10:34, Vulgata Latina)
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From: jimg@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Jim Gorycki)
Subject: Panther's President
Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida
Lines: 46
As I promised, I would give you the name of the Panther's president.
After Huizenga announced the team name, he announced that Bill
Torrey is named the first president of the Panthers.
A little Bio from _Sun-Sentinel_
Torrey, the architect of four consecutive Stanley Cup champions as
persident and general manager of the New York Islanders.
Throughout his 27 years in the NHL, Bill Torrey's bow ties have become
as much of a signature as Andre Agassi's hair.
The Panthers will introduce a uniform, insignia, and ticket-price
information in early next month. In the meantime, Huizenga leaves the
day-to-day operation in the hands of Torrey and Bob Clarke, the VP and
GM.
The Florida Panthers was chosen as the name of South Florida's NHL team
to focus attention on an endangered species. There are 30 to 50 Florida
Panthers in the Everglades National Park, the Big Cypress National
Preserve and other parts of southwestern Florida.
"The Panther is the quickest-striking of all cats," Torrey said.
"Hopefully that's the way we'll play on ice."
More BIO:
In Torrey, Huizenga has the first man hired by the expansion Islanders
in 1972 and the one most responsible for guiding the Islanders to four
consecutive Stanley Cup championships (their first after only eight
seasons) and 14 consecutive winning seasons. As executive vice president
of the California Golden Seals, Torrey watched the Seals go to the play-
offs in 1968, only their second NHL season.
"I guess this completes my own personal hat trick", said Torrey, 58, a
native of Montreal but a resident of Bear Lakes Country Club in Palm
Beach.
Jim G.
other accounts:
gorycki@sol.cse.fau.edu
jimg@cybernet.cse.fau.edu
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From: dowdy@tochtli.biochem.nwu.edu (Dowdy Jackson)
Subject: Re: Swimming pool defense
Nntp-Posting-Host: tochtli.biochem.nwu.edu
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois
Lines: 23
In article <kbanaian.488.735081194@bernard.pitzer.claremont.edu> kbanaian@bernard.pitzer.claremont.edu (King Banaian) writes:
>In article <1993Apr17.201310.13693@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:
>>In article <dasmith.734719640@husc.harvard.edu> dasmith@husc8.harvard.edu (
>David Smith) writes:>>Granted, the simple fact of holding down a job will
>improve these kids' chances>>of getting another job in the future, but what
>inner city kid would want to hold>>down just one more minimum wage job when
>there is so much more money to be made>>dealing drugs?
>>
>>What suburban kid would want to hold down a minimum wage job when there is so
>>much more money to be made dealing drugs?
>>
>>Yet, somehow, surburban kids do hold down minimum wage jobs. So do inner
>>city kids, when give the chance. Any reason you think that inner city kids
>>are incapable of doing legitimate work?
>
>I suppose the correct answer is not "family values"?
>
>S'pose not. Never mind. Sorry.
>
Are you assuming that families in the inner city don't have family values ?
I sure hope not.
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From: Nabeel Ahmad Rana <rana@rintintin.colorado.edu>
Subject: RFD: soc.religion.islam.ahmadiyya moderated
Organization: UUNET Communications
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Reply-To: rana@rintintin.colorado.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net
Dear Netters:
A new religious newsgroup "soc.religion.islam.ahmadiyya" was pro-
posed on Oct 16, 1992. The discussion about this new proposed
newsgroup went on in various related groups. The proposal, was
supposed to enter a vote during the last week of November 92. Due
to a false Call For Votes, by some opponent, the voting had to be
canceled. I quote here a statement from the moderator of
new.announce.newgroups:
"The current Call For Votes (CFV) for an Ahmadiyya newsgroup
is being canceled. A new call for votes will be issued within
a few weeks, possibly with a new impartial vote taker. Discus-
sion on the proposal is still open until the new vote is called..."
-- by Lawrence, Nov 20, 1992.
A lot of confusion arose among the netter as to whom to vote.
Therefore it was decided to give a cool down period, so that all
confusions are over. It has been over 4 months of that instant
and now we are again attempting to create this newsgroup. A fresh
RFD is hereby being issued. Please! take part in the discussion
under the same title heading and in "news.groups" or at least
cross-post it to "news.groups".
****************************************************************
REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION
****************************************************************
NAME OF PROPOSED NEWSGROUP:
==========================
soc.religion.islam.ahmadiyya
CHARTER:
=======
A religious newsgroup, which would mainly discuss the be-
liefs, teachings, philosophy and ideologies of all major reli-
gions of the world as they exist to foster better religious
knowledge and understanding among followers of all religions as
they share common basis. This newsgroup will be devoted to build
a peaceful mutual understanding of the Ahmadiyya branch of
Islam, its peacefull beliefs, ideology and philosophy and how it
is different from other branches of Islam in fostering world
peace and developing better understanding among religious people.
It may also be used to post important religious events within the
World Wide Ahmadiyya Islamic Community in general.
PURPOSE OF THE GROUP:
====================
The following are some of the main purposes this group will
achieve:
i) To discuss the common beliefs of all major religions as
they relate to Ahmadiyya Muslim Community.
ii) To discuss the doctrines, origin and teachings of this
puissant spiritual force on earth.
iii) To examine Islamic teachings and beliefs in general in
light of the Quran and established Islamic traditions
of 15 centuries from Ahmadiyya perspective.
iv) To discuss the similarities between Ahmadi Muslims and
people of other Religions of the world and discuss how
religious tolerance and respect to other's faiths can
be brought about to eliminate inter-religion rivalries
and hatred among people of religions.
v) To discuss the origin and teachings of all religions in
general and Islamic and Ahmadiyya Muslims in particular
to foster better understanding among Ahmadi Muslims and
other religious people.
vi) To discuss current world problems and solution to these
problems as offered by religion.
vii) To exchange important news and views about the Ahmadiyya
Muslim Community and other Religions.
viii)To add diversity in the religious newsgroups present
on Usenet.
ix) To discuss why religious persecution is on the rise in
the world and find solutions to remedy the ever deter-
iorating situation in the world in general and in the
Islamic world in particular.
x) To discuss the contributions of founders of all reli-
gions and their people for humanity, society and world
peace in general and by the International Ahmadiyya Mus
-lim Community in particular.
TYPE:
====
The group will be MODERATED for orderly and free religious dialo-
gue. The moderation will NOT prevent disagreement or dissent to
beliefs, but will mainly be used to prevent derogatory/squalid
use of dialect and irrelevant issues. The moderators have been
decided through personal e-mail and through a general consensus
among the proponants by discussion in news.groups. The following
moderators have been proposed and agreed upon:
Moderator: Nabeel A. Rana (rana@rintintin.colorado.edu)
Co-Moderator: Dr. Tahir Ijaz (ijaz@ccu.umanitoba.ca)
A BRIEF DESCRIPTION ABOUT AHMADIYYA/ISLAM:
=========================================
The Ahmadiyya Movement in Islam, an international organi-
sation, was founder in 1989 in Qadian, India. The founder of this
sect, Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (1835-1908), proclaimed to be the
Promised Reformer of this age as foretold in almost all the major
religions of the world today (Islam, Christianity, Judiasm, Hin-
duism). He claimed to be the long awaited second comming of
Jesus Christ (metaphorically), the Muslim Mahdi, and the Promised
Messiah. He claimed that the prophecies contained in almost all
the great religions of the world about the advent of a messenger
from God have been fulfilled.
The claims Hazrat Ahmad raised storms of hostility and
extreme oposition from many priestlike people of Muslims, Chris-
tians, Jews and Hindus of that age. Such opposition is often wit-
nessed in the history of divine reformers. Even today this sect
is being persecuted specially in some of the Muslim regimes.
Dispite the opposition and persecution, this sect has won many
adherents in 130 countries. It has over 10 million followers, who
come from a diverse ethnic and cultural background.
The sect is devoted to world peace and in bringing about
a better understanding of religion, and the founders of all reli-
gions. Its mission is to unite mankind into one Universal broth-
erhood and develop a better understanding of faith. Ahmadi
Muslims have always been opposed to all kind of violence and spe-
cially religious intollerance and fundamentalism.
Among its many philanthropic activities, the sect has es-
tablished a network of hundreds of schools, hospitals, and clin-
ics in many third world countries. These institutions are staffed
by volunteer professional and are fully financed by the sect's
internal resources.
The Ahmadiyya mission is to bring about a universal moral
reform, establish peace and justice, and to unite mankind under
one universal religion.
NEWSGROUP CREATION:
==================
When the Call For Votes is called, the discussion will
officially end. Voting will be held for about three weeks. If
the group gets 2/3rd majority AND 100 more "YES/Create" votes
than "NO/don't create" votes; the group shall be created. Any
questions or comments may be included in the discussion or
directly sent to: rana@rintintin.colorado.edu
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From: tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock)
Subject: Re: Final Solution for Gaza ?
Nntp-Posting-Host: orion.oac.uci.edu
Organization: University of California, Irvine
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In article <1483500354@igc.apc.org> Center for Policy Research <cpr@igc.apc.org> writes:
>
>From: Center for Policy Research <cpr>
>Subject: Final Solution for Gaza ?
>
>While Israeli Jews fete the uprising of the Warsaw ghetto,
"fete"??? Since this word both formally and commonly refers to
positive/joyous events, your misuse of it here is rather unsettling.
>they repress by violent means the uprising of the Gaza ghetto
>and attempt to starve the Gazans.
I certainly abhor those Israeli policies and attitudes that are
abusive towards the Palestinians/Gazans. Given that, however, there
*is no comparison* between the reality of the Warsaw Ghetto and in
Gaza.
>
>The right of the Gazan population to resist occupation is
>recognized in international law and by any person with a sense of
>justice.
Just as international law recognizes the right of the occupying
entity to maintain order, especially in the face of elements
that are consciously attempting to disrupt the civil structure.
Ironically, international law recognizes each of these focusses
(that of the occupied and the occupier) even though they are
inherently in conflict.
>
>As Israel denies Gazans the only two options which are compatible
>with basic human rights and international law, that of becoming
>Israeli citizens with full rights or respecting their right for
>self-determination, it must be concluded that the Israeli Jewish
>society does not consider Gazans full human beings.
Israel certainly cannot, and should not, continue its present
policies towards Gazan residents. There is, however, a third
alternative- the creation and implementation of a jewish "dhimmi"
system with Gazans/Palestinians as benignly "protected" citizens.
Would you find THAT as acceptable in that form as you do with
regard to Islam's policies towards its minorities?
>Whether they have some Final Solution up their sleeve ?
It is a race, then? Between Israel's anti-Palestinian/Gazan
"Final Solution" and the Arab World's anti-Israel/jewish
"Final Solution". Do you favor one? neither?
>
>I urge all those who have slight human compassion to do whatever
>they can to help the Gazans regain their full human, civil and
>political rights, to which they are entitled as human beings.
Since there is justifiable worry by various parties that Israel
and Arab/Palestinian "final solution" intentions exist, isn't it
important that BOTH Israeli *and* Palestinian/Gazan "rights"
be secured?
>
>Elias Davidsson Iceland
>
--
Tim Clock Ph.D./Graduate student
UCI tel#: 714,8565361 Department of Politics and Society
fax#: 714,8568441 University of California - Irvine
Home tel#: 714,8563446 Irvine, CA 92717
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From: ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu (Eli Brandt)
Subject: Re: Estimating Wiretap Costs/Benefits
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
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In article <rlglendeC5t133.En3@netcom.com> rlglende@netcom.com (Robert Lewis Glendenning) writes:
>First, what the fuck is NASA doing wasting my tax dollars doing
>policy papers on stuff far outside of their purvew/mission?
I don't think they're paying for it.
>Do us a favor. Resign rather than right this paper for NASA. Go
>do useful work for the society.
Useful? I find his estimate of the annual value to law enforcement
of $5 million quite useful, if rough (e.g. wiretaps may be
preferentially used on otherwise-hard-to-catch criminals, resulting
in an underestimate). This comes to twenty cents a head over the
U.S. population. I would find some rigorous numbers on this quite
useful -- it would make for nice slogans: "Your privacy is worth
$0.37", or whatever it turns out to be.
>Lew Glendenning rlglende@netcom.com
PGP 2 key by finger or e-mail
Eli ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu
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From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Subject: Re: Flames Truly Brutal in Loss
Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
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This game would have been great as part of a double-header on ABC or
ESPN; the league would have been able to push back-to-back wins by
Le Magnifique and The Great One. Unfortunately, the only network
that would have done that was SCA, seen in few areas and hard to
justify as a pay channel. )-;
gld
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Gary L. Dare
> gld@columbia.EDU GO Winnipeg Jets GO!!!
> gld@cunixc.BITNET Selanne + Domi ==> Stanley
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From: noye@midway.uchicago.edu (vera shanti noyes)
Subject: Re: tuff to be a Christian?
Reply-To: noye@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
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In article <Apr.17.01.10.58.1993.2246@geneva.rutgers.edu> mdbs@ms.uky.edu (no name) writes:
>bissda@saturn.wwc.edu (DAN LAWRENCE BISSELL) writes:
>>same. Hey we can't do it, God himself inspires us to turn our lives
>>over to him. That's tuff and most people don't want to do it, to be a
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>real Christian would be something for the strong to persevere at. But
>
> So you think it is easy to be a Muslim? Or be a Buddhist?
[good points on buddhism, etc. deleted]
just because one says christianity -- true christianity -- is hard to
follow faithfully does NOT mean that one discounts the validity and
difficulty of other religions. i admire those of any religion who are
willing to make the kind of sacrifices and dedicate themselves
spiritually in the way you are talking about.
[more deleted]
>And perhaps some more. But leave the crap in it out ("woman was created
>after man, to be his helper" etc).
do you think this is what christianity is all about? not all
christians believe in this particular story literally. it sounds
above like you are supporting a policy of "to each his own" -- here is
another example of that. if it helps someone's faith to take every
word of the bible literally, i support and respect that, too.
>>time. We don't rush it in one day, Christianity is your whole life.
>>It is not going to church once a week, or helping poor people once in
>>a while. We box everything into time units. Such as work at this
>>time, sports, Tv, social life. God is above these boxes and should be
>
> When ever I turn on my TV there is this Pat Robertson and
>other brain washers (Oh boy, what an act they put on!) with an
>1-800 number to turn in your pledges.
>God it seems is alive and well inside these boxes.
please don't judge all of christianity by one man. the only man one
can truly judge all of christianity by is jesus (makes sense, right?).
i think his point about how we put our lives into little boxes is very
true -- what does your comment about robertson have to do with that?
>>carried with us into all these boxes that we have created for
>>ourselves.
> Parting Question:
> Would you have become a Christian if you had not
>been indoctrinated by your parents? You probably never learned about
>any other religion to make a comparative study. And therefore I claim
>you are brain washed.
i was raised agnostic -- my father was never baptised and was raised
atheist. he is not an atheist because he found a close-mindedness
present in the viewpoint of his parents equal to the close-mindedness
he found in the viewpoint of the christians he came in contact with.
thus i was _free_ to choose how to live my life, and he supported the
decision i made to join the episcopal church, although he emphasized
to me that his respect for my beliefs should result in my not
intruding on his beliefs, ie, i should not try to convert him, as that
is his decision. (please, no flames or advice on how to convert him!)
one of my good friends is hindi and i greatly respect her
beliefs and the culture surrounding her religion. my best friend is
jewish and i have always held a profound resepct for the jewish
religion (chaim potok and isaac bashevis singer are two of my favorite
authors). i really do not think you can make that kind of
generalization about how christians choose -- and i do mean CHOOSE--
their faith. if they have not consciously accepted the faith in their
adult lives (which is what confirmation represents), THEN you can talk
about their being brainwashed.
vera
"if you choose not to decide,
you still have made a choice!"
- rush, "freewill"
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From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)
Subject: Re: <<Pompous ass
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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Andrew Newell <TAN102@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>>I think you should support your first claim, that people will simply
>>harass me no matter what, as I doubt this is true. I think *some* of the
>>theists will be at a loss, and that is enough reason for me.
>Because "IN GOD WE TRUST" is a motto on the coins, and the coins
>are a representation of the government, christians are given
>ammunition here to slander atheists as unpatriotic.
So, we should ban the ammunition? Why not get rid of the guns?
>And yes, I have heard this used in conversation with christians.
>Sure, they may fall back on other things, but this is one they
>should not have available to use.
It is worse than others? The National Anthem? Should it be changed too?
God Bless America? The list goes on...
>Imagine if the next year's set of coins were labeled with
>the motto: "GOD IS DEAD".
>Certainly, such a statement on U.S. coins would offend almost
>every christian. And I'd be tempted to rub that motto in the
>face of christians when debunking their standard motto slinging
>gets boring.
Then you'd be no better than the people you despise.
>Any statement printed on an item that represents
>the government is an endorsement by the government.
Oh?
>The coin motto is an endorsement of trusting in god.
An endorsement, or an acknowledgement? I think gods are things that people
are proud of, but I don't think the motto encourages belief.
>I don't particularly feel like trusting in god,
>so the government IS putting me down with every
>coin it prints.
Is it?
[...]
>For the motto to be legitimate, it would have to read:
> "In god, gods, or godlessness we trust"
Would you approve of such a motto?
>Whether the motto was intended to be anti-atheist or not,
>it turns up as an open invitation to use as an anti-atheist tool.
And removing the tool will solve the problem?
Or will it increase the problem?
keith
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From: smhanaes@gpu.utcc.utoronto.ca (D. Wigglesworth)
Subject: freely distributable public key cryptography c++ code: where?
Summary: Do you know?
Organization: UTCC Public Access
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Do you know of any freely distributable c++ (or c) code for public
key cryptography (such as RSA)?
I've tried various archie searches to no avail.
Thanks,
Dan
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From: oj@world.std.com (Oliver Jones)
Subject: Re: A Question I Do Not Found In FAQ
Organization: Shawsheen Software
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In article <1993Apr26.122007.25760@relay.nswc.navy.mil> rchui@opal.nswc.navy.mil writes:
>I created a pixmap or drawable window, then used XDrawLine() function
>to draw a [clipped] line ... = 300
...
>I created the pixmap or drawable window only with size 300x300.
>But I draw line from p1(x1=270,y1=100) to p2(x2=500,y2=800).
>My question is, dose the XDrawLine function can finger out that correct
>p3(x3 and y3) for me? If you calculate x3 and y3.
If you're asking, "does the X server perform clipping
correctly when drawing lines," the answer is "yes."
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From: ad994@Freenet.carleton.ca (Jason Wiggle)
Subject: PCX
Organization: National Capital Freenet, Ottawa, Canada
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Hello
HELP!!! please
I am a student of turbo c++ and graphics programming
and I am having some problems finding algorithms and code
to teach me how to do some stuff..
1) Where is there a book or code that will teach me how
to read and write pcx,dbf,and gif files?
2) How do I access the extra ram on my paradise video board
so I can do paging in the higher vga modes ie: 320x200x256
800x600x256
3) anybody got a line on a good book to help answer these question?
Thanks very much !
send reply's to : Palm@snycanva.bitnet
Peace be
Blessed be
Stephen Palm
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From: alird@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Subject: Re: cubs & expos roster questions
Article-I.D.: Msu.0096B0F0.C5DE05A0
Reply-To: alird@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Organization: Montana State University
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In article <1993Apr15.003015.1@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu>, cvadrnlh@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu writes:
>Today (4/14) Cubs activated P Mike Harkey from DL, whom did they move to make
>room for Harkey?
>Also, are Delino Deshields & John Wetteland of the Expos on the DL?
>Thanks for anyone who can give me more info!
>/===
>Ken
>Cal Poly, Pomona
>
Wetteland is on the DL effective March 26 or something like that.
rick
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Subject: Re: Christians above the Law? was Clarification of pe
From: NUNNALLY@acs.harding.edu (John Nunnally)
Distribution: world
Organization: Harding University, Searcy, AR
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> When are we going to hear a Christian answer to this question?
>
> In paraphrase:
>
> On what or whose authority do Christians proclaim that they
> are above the Law and above the Prophets (7 major and 12 minor) and not
> accountable to the Ten Commandments of which Jesus clearly spoke His opinion
> in Matthew 5:14-19? What is the source of this pseudo-doctrine? Who is
> the pseudo-teacher? Who is the Great Deceiver?
OK, here's at least one Christian's answer:
Jesus was a JEW, not a Christian. In this context Matthew 5:14-19 makes
sense. Matt 5:17 "Do not think that I [Jesus] came to abolish the Law or
the Prophets; I did not come to abolish, but to fulfill." Jesus lived
under the Jewish law. However, He was the culmination of the promises
of the Prophets. He came to *fulfill* the prophecies and fully obey
God's purposes.
Verse 18 says "For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass
away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass away from the Law,
until all is accomplished." The key to this verse IMHO is the last
phrase. Jesus, as the fulfillment of the law, "accomplished" what the
Law was supposed to accomplish.
Verse 19: "Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments,
and so teaches others, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven;
but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the
kingdom of heaven." Taken in the context of Jesus teaching Jewish
people about living lives under the law, this makes sense.
In general, it appears that Jesus is responding to some criticism he
must have received about "doing away with the Law." That was not
Jesus' intent at all. He had come to earth to live the Law as it
should be lived and fulfill the promises made by God to his
people all the way back to Eve [Gen 3:15-The serpent will bruise your
heel, but *He* will bruise his head.] Jesus appeared to be "doing
away with the Law" because he did not honor the traditions of men as
equal to the Law of God. He regularly locked horns with the religious
leaders of the day because he would not conform to *their* rules, only
God's Law.
In the Matthew passage Jesus is defending his dedication to the Law
and defending himself against his accusors. Almost the entire Sermon
on the Mount (Matt. 5-7) is dedicated to helping the Jewish people
understand the true intent of the Law, sweeping away the clutter which
had been introduced by the Pharasees and their traditions.
In Galatians 3:23-26, Paul describes the relationship of Jesus to the
Law in this way:
[23] But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law, being
shut up to the faith which was later to be revealed. [24] Therefore
the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, that we may be
justified by faith. [25] But now that faith has come, we are no
longer under a tutor. [26] For you are all sons of God through faith
in Christ Jesus.
I believe this says that after Christ was revealed, the Law had
served it's purpose, i.e. "our tutor to lead us to Christ," and
now, "we are no longer under a tutor." The law has been "fulfilled"
as Christ said he would do.
God, the author of the old Law, and the Christ/Man, Jesus, are the same
personality. Therefore, the old Law and the new Testament (the "last
will and testament" of Jesus) are based on the same moral principles.
It makes sense that many of the principles in the old Law are
re-expressed in Christianity.
On the other hand, now that the Law has fulfilled it's purpose and
Christians relate to God through Christ, not the Law, it also makes
sense that new practices and new symbolisms were established to
represent the "mysteries" of this new relationship. i.e. Baptism
representing Christ's death, burial, and resurrection (Rom. 6:3-8),
The Lord's supper as a memorial to His sacrifice (I Cor. 11:26), and
Sunday as a day of worship commemorating His resurrection (Matt 28:1ff,
Acts 20:7)
OK, That's one Christian's explanation. I don't claim to have all
these issues completely settled even in my own mind and I welcome
other Christians to offer other alternatives.
Please excuse the long posting. Thanks for your interest if you have read
this far...
John Nunnally
Nunnally@acs.Harding.edu
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From: Feng.Qian@launchpad.unc.edu (Feng Qian)
Subject: IRWIN 250 owners: don't miss this deal on tapes
Article-I.D.: samba.1993Apr6.152232.28010
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
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Nntp-Posting-Host: lambada.oit.unc.edu
IRWIN suggests the use of pre-formatted tapes for their tape drives, as
you often can't successfully format a tape and need bulk-erase it before
you can format it again. Anyway, I have some new, preformatted tapes for
IRWIN 250 tape drives.
IRWIN accuTRAK series 120-250MB, $16/ea. New never used.
3M DC2120, RHOMAT Format. $16/ea. Wraped.
Email if interested.
Feng
--
The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of
North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
internet: laUNChpad.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80
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From: music@erich.triumf.ca (FRED W. BACH)
Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...
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In article <1993Apr15.173851.25846@convex.com>, tobias@convex.com (Allen Tobias) writes...
#In article <1993Apr15.024246.8076@Virginia.EDU> ejv2j@Virginia.EDU ("Erik Velapoldi") writes:
#>This happened about a year ago on the Washington DC Beltway.
#>Snot nosed drunken kids decided it would be really cool to
#>throw huge rocks down on cars from an overpass. Four or five
#>cars were hit. There were several serious injuries, and sadly
#>a small girl sitting in the front seat of one of them was struck
#>in the head by one of the larger rocks. I don't recall if she
#>made it, but I think she was comatose for a month or so and
#>doctors weren't holding out hope that she'd live.
#>
#>What the hell is happening to this great country of ours? I
#>can see boyhood pranks of peeing off of bridges and such, but
#>20 pound rocks??! Has our society really stooped this low??
Yes. Nobody is watching them. If they get caught, there is no punishment
at all. In the old days such behaviour would be rewarded with a whipping
with a good-sized belt, and then taken into some hospital to see first hand
what kind of damage such accidents cause. Of course this doesn't happen
any more. That whipping would probably save the kid's life by teaching
him some respect for others. A person with that little respect would
inevitably wind up dead early anyway.
The problem is creeping gradualism. If you put a frog into hot water,
he just jumps out. But if you put him into cold water and then ever-so-
gradually heat it, the frog will cook. This is what the entertainment
industry and lack of religious, moral, and educational standards in our
modern North American society have done to us over the years. Now that
we are about to be 'cooked', we may have woken up too late.
#>
#>Erik velapold
#
#Society, as we have known it, it coming apart at the seams! The basic reason
#is that human life has been devalued to the point were killing someone is
#"No Big Deal". Kid's see hundreds on murderous acts on TV, we can abort
#children on demand, and kill the sick and old at will. So why be surprised
#when some kids drop 20 lbs rocks and kill people. They don't care because the
#message they hear is "Life is Cheap"!
And the education system and the Religious Leaders aren't doing much
about it, either. With both parents working in this society, where is
the stabilizing influence at home? Latchkey children are everywhere!
And these latchkey kids can watch whatever rotten videos and listen to
whatever violent hate-promoting "music" and videos they like because no
one is home to stop it.
This day and age, when there is about 100 times more things to learn
than when I went to school, our answer to this increased knowledge is
shorter school hours and more leisure time! I say keep the kids in
school longer, feed them good food and teach them something, and when
they get home, have a parent there to interact and monitor them. There
is a very old and now forgotten proverb: a child left on his own will
bring a parent to grief. Daycare systems are not the answer. This is
just shifting the parents' own responsibilities off on someone else to
whom it's not a life-long committment, but rather just a job.
#
#AT
Followups should go to alt.parents-teens
Fred W. Bach , Operations Group | Internet: music@erich.triumf.ca
TRIUMF (TRI-University Meson Facility) | Voice: 604-222-1047 loc 327/278
4004 WESBROOK MALL, UBC CAMPUS | FAX: 604-222-1074
University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., CANADA V6T 2A3
These are my opinions, which should ONLY make you read, think, and question.
They do NOT necessarily reflect the views of my employer or fellow workers.
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From: glang@slee01.srl.ford.com (Gordon Lang)
Subject: Please help find video hardware
Article-I.D.: fmsrl7.1pqf9oINN88e
Organization: Ford Motor Company Research Laboratory
Lines: 19
NNTP-Posting-Host: slee01.srl.ford.com
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
[ Article crossposted from comp.sys.hp ]
[ Author was Gordon Lang ]
[ Posted on 5 Apr 1993 23:25:27 GMT ]
[ Article crossposted from comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware ]
[ Author was Gordon Lang ]
[ Posted on 5 Apr 1993 23:19:01 GMT ]
I need a device (either an ISA board or a subsystem) which will
take two RGB video signals and combine them according to a template.
The template can be as simple as a rectangular window with signal
one being used for the interior and signal two for the exterior.
But I beleive fancier harware may also exist which I do not want
to exclude from my search. I know this sort of hardware exists
for NTSC, etc. but I need it for RGB.
Please email and or post any leads....
Gordon Lang (glang@smail.srl.ford.com -or- glang@holo6.srl.ford.com)
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From: rgasch@nl.oracle.com (Robert Gasch)
Subject: Overriding default WM Behaviour
Organization: Oracle Europe
Lines: 48
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
I posted this about tow weeks ago but never saw it make it (Then again
I've had some problems with the mail system). Apologies if this appears
for the second time:
Usually when I start up an application, I first get the window outline
on my display. I then have to click on the mouse button to actually
place the window on the screen. Yet when I specify the -geometry
option the window appears right away, the properties specified by
the -geometry argument. The question now is:
How can I override the intermediary step of the user having to specify
window position with a mouseclick? I've tried explicitly setting window
size and position, but that did alter the normal program behaviour.
Thanks for any hints
---> Robert
PS: I'm working in plain X, using tvtwm.
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From: rgasch@nl.oracle.com (Robert Gasch)
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From: revdak@netcom.com (D. Andrew Kille)
Subject: Re: Easter: what's in a name? (was Re: New Testament Double Stan
Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Lines: 40
Daniel Segard (dsegard@nyx.cs.du.edu) wrote:
[a lot of stuff deleted]
: For that matter, stay Biblical and call it Omar Rasheet (The Feast of
: First Fruits). Torah commands that this be observed on the day following
: the Sabbath of Passover week. (Sunday by any other name in modern
: parlance.) Why is there so much objection to observing the Resurrection
: on the 1st day of the week on which it actually occured? Why jump it all
: over the calendar the way Easter does? Why not just go with the Sunday
: following Passover the way the Bible has it? Why seek after unbiblical
: methods?
:
In fact, that is the reason Easter "jumps all over the calendar"- Passsover
itself is a lunar holiday, not a solar one, and thus falls over a wide
possible span of times. The few times that Easter does not fall during or
after Passover are because Easter is further linked to the Vernal Equinox-
the beginning of spring.
[more deletions]
:
: So what does this question have to do with Easter (the whore
: goddess)? I am all for celebrating the Resurrection. Just keep that
: whore out of the discussion.
:
Your obsession with the term "whore" clouds your argument. "Whore" is
a value judgement, not a descriptive term.
[more deletions]
Overall, this argument is an illustration of the "etymological fallacy"
(see J.P. Louw: _Semantics of NT Greek_). That is the idea that the true
meaning of a word lies in its origins and linguistic form. In fact, our
own experience demonstrates that the meaning of a word is bound up with
how it is _used_, not where it came from. Very few modern people would
make any connection whatsoever between "Easter" and "Ishtar." If Daniel
Seagard does, then for him it has that meaning. But that is a highly
idiosyncratic "meaning," and not one that needs much refutation.
revdak@netcom.com
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From: cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton)
Subject: Re: Ban All Firearms !
Reply-To: cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton)
Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH
Lines: 24
As quoted from <1993Apr14.184448.2331@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> by jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu:
> Firearms tend to fall into this low dollar/pound area.
> It would not be economic to smuggle them in. All production
> would have to be local. There are not all that many people
> who have both the skill AND motivation to assemble worthwhile
> firearms from scratch. High-ranking crime figures could
> obtain imported Uzis and such, but the average person, and
> average thug, would be lucky to get a zip-gun - and would
> pay through the nose for it.
You don't know much about modern automatic weapons, do you? Just about ANYBODY
with basic manufacturing skill can turn out HIGH QUALITY submachineguns. A
couple of high school shop teachers were recently arrested for building
submachineguns in the school shop.
I suggest that you go to the library and find a copy of "Smallarms of the
World". Your entire premise is based on non-factual assumptions.
--
===================================================================
"You're like a bunch of over-educated, New York jewish ACLU lawyers
fighting to eliminate school prayer from the public schools in
Arkansas" - Holly Silva
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From: icop@csa.bu.edu (Antonio Pera)
Subject: Hockey & Hispanic market
Distribution: na
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Lines: 10
Originator: icop@csa
In article <saross01.734885336@starbase.spd.louisville.edu>, saross01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu (Stacey A. Ross) writes:
|> In <C5I2s2.3Bt@odin.corp.sgi.com> rickc@wrigley.corp.sgi.com (Richard Casares) writes:
|> >You'll have a hard time selling any sport to a community that
|> >can't play it on account of availability or financial reasons.
|> >Hockey is pretty much a sport for the white and well off.
What is this crap? I'm only interested in intelligent discussion. If you
can't answer my question, just say so. Can anyone else answer the ques.?
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From: jon@chopin.udel.edu (Jon Deutsch)
Subject: NEC P5200 Printer question!
Nntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu
Organization: University of Delaware - What state is that in?
Lines: 14
I just picked up a second-hand "color option" for the NEC P5200
24pin dot matrix printer. Alas, there were no installation instructions,
so I am totally confused on WHY it WON'T GO IN!
Do I have to remove the actaual print head? It seems *almost* to fit,
but not quite.
Please... any info would be most appreciated!
X-------------------+--------------+-----------------------X
| | |\ |>jon@chopin.udel.edu<| "For my 2 cents, |
| \|on |/eutsch |>>-----------------<<| I'd pay a dollar" |
X------+--------------------+--------------------+---------X
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From: eldar@fraser.sfu.ca (Danny Eldar)
Subject: PBS Frontline documentary : "Memory of the camps"
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Lines: 13
Yesterday, I watched an outstanding documentary on PBS prepared for Frontline
by the documentary consortia. It is called "Memory of the camps" and shows some
"un-censored" pictures taken immediately after the liberation of Bergen-Belsen
and other death camps.
I recommend it to everybody. Check with your PBS station for re-broadcast.
IT IS A MUST SEE documentary.
In the Seatle, Vancouver area KSTS-9 will re-broadcast the documentary
on Monday 01:30 am.
You can also order a copy from PBS Video 1-800-3287271. The cost is $59.95.
Danny
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Subject: Re: Exploding TV!
From: xhan@uceng.uc.edu (Xiaoping Han)
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Lines: 12
In article <1qk4hj$qos@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> prasad@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Prasad Ramakrishna) writes:
>... Why would the picture tube explode or even smoke?
It's not the picture tube. More likely the flyback. Emerson? can't admire.
Han
>Prasad
>prasadr@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu
>
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From: maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard)
Subject: Re: div. and conf. names
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON
Distribution: na
Lines: 50
In <1993Apr19.191126.27651@newshub.ists.ca> dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (Deepak Chhabra) writes:
>However, that aside, the real question is whether you like the idea of
>changing the names based on the reasons given for it (making it easier for
>the 'casual fan'), or whether you like the idea of unique divisional names
>based on individuals who do deserve the honour. IMO, the latter is a nice
>and unique touch that differs from other sports. In addition, I do not
>think that changing divisional names will have an effect on the number of
>people that are interested in hockey, so it's a pointless exercise anyway.
There are several problems with the way the game is being presented to the
fans. I feel that geographical names would enhance regional loyalties
more than names honouring personages. And of course, they would not appear
nearly as confusing to one approaching the sport for the first time.
Another thing that bothers me is the points system. Percentages, as used in
the other major sports are clearly more informative. When I look at the
NHL standings the first thing I have to do is make a quick calculation to
account for games in hand (which is almost always the case). Some will
object to percentages, claiming perhaps, that it is an "Americanization"
of the sport but I feel that using percentages is more informative and
whether it is "American" or not is irrelevant.
>If the current names are inappropriate, then that is a separate issue, not
>central to the original article. Something to consider additionally is
>whether or not players like Orr who 'contributed to the glory of the sport'
>would have been able to do so _without_ an organized professional league to
>play in. In this case, honouring builders of the _league_ as opposed to
>builders of the _sport_ becomes a chicken-and-egg type question. (although
>it was the chicken.....)
Even if Orr couldn't have contributed without the likes of Norris, you would
have to agree that Norris couldn't have contributed without the likes of Orr.
And taking a poll of most fans would quickly tell you who the fans feel made
the more meaningful contribution.
>>Exactly true. Naming divisions and trophies after Smythe and the bunch
>>is the same kind of nepotism that put Stein in the hall of fame. I have
>>always thought that this was nonsense.
>Dunno if the Stein comparison is justifiable, since it doesn't look as though
>his 'unanimous acceptance' to the Hall will hold up.
It doesn't look as if the division names are going to hold up either does it?
--
cordially, as always, maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca
"So many morons...
rm ...and so little time."
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From: mls@panix.com (Michael Siemon)
Subject: Re: Homosexuality issues in Christianity
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC
Lines: 25
In <May.7.01.08.16.1993.14381@athos.rutgers.edu> whitsebd@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu (Bryan Whitsell) writes:
>Any one who thinks that Homosexuality and Christianity are compatible should check
>out:
> Romans 1:27
> I Corinthians 6:9
> I Timothy 1:10
> Jude 1:7
> II Peter 2:6-9
> Gen. 19
> Lev 18:22
>(to name a few of the verses that pertain to homosexuality)
Homosexual Christians have indeed "checked out" these verses. Some of
them are used against us only through incredibly perverse interpretations.
Others simply do not address the issues.
You would seem to be more in need of a careful and Spirit-led course
in exegesis than most of the gay Christians I know. I suggest that
you stop "proof-texting" about things you know nothing about.
--
Michael L. Siemon I say "You are gods, sons of the
mls@panix.com Most High, all of you; nevertheless
- or - you shall die like men, and fall
mls@ulysses.att..com like any prince." Psalm 82:6-7
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From: gtd597a@prism.gatech.EDU (Hrivnak)
Subject: Goalie mask poll
Article-I.D.: hydra.93158
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology
Lines: 31
Here is an update on the Goalie mask poll...
First, since so many people gave me their 3 best, I decided to
give 3 pts for their favorite, 2 pts for 2nd, 1 for 3rd. If you e-mailed
a response with only one, I gave it 3 pts. Please feel free to send me
your 2 other favorites, if you only sent one before.
Also, votes are still welcome! Any mask you like will do, as I
have received votes for players not in the NHL. Please mention what team
they play for, though.
So here are the up-to-date results so far:
Player Team Pts Votes
-------------------------------------------------------
1. Ed Belfour Chicago 8 4
Andy Moog Boston 8 3
3. Curtis Joseph St. Louis 5 2
4. Brian Hayward San Jose 4 2
5. Grant Fuhr Buffalo 3 1
Ron Hextall Quebec 3 1
7. Clint Malarchuk Buffalo 2 1
Manon Rheaume Atlanta (IHL) 2 1
9. John Casey Minnesota 1 1
Rick Wamsley Toronto (retired) 1 1
Thanks to all that voted, and keep 'em coming!
--
GO SKINS! ||"Now for the next question... Does emotional music have quite
GO BRAVES! || an effect on you?" - Mike Patton, Faith No More
GO HORNETS! ||
GO CAPITALS! ||Mike Friedman (Hrivnak fan!) Internet: gtd597a@prism.gatech.edu
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From: sab@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu
Subject: Info needed: 2D contour plotting
Lines: 16
Hi Everyone--
It's spend-the-money-before-it-goes-away time here at U.Florida
and we need to find some PC-based software that will do contour
plotting with irregular boundaries,i.e., a 2-D profile of a soil
system with a pond superimposed
/----------------- on it. We've given SURFER a
POND / | trial run but it interpolates
/ | contours out into the pond and/or
----------/ | creates artifacts at the borders.
| SOIL | If anyone out there knows of a
| | product, I'ld appreciate hearing
|________________________________| about it. If there is enough of
a response, I'll post a summary. Thanks -- (and now back to lurking).
Steve Bloom, Soil & Water Science, U.Fl (SAB@GNV.IFAS.UFL.EDU)
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From: rchui@nswc-wo.nswc.navy.mil (Raymond Chui)
Subject: Re: A Question I Do Not Found In FAQ
Reply-To: rchui@opal.nswc.navy.mil
Organization: NAVSWC DD White Oak Det.
Lines: 72
comp.windows.x
In article <1993Apr26.122007.25760@relay.nswc.navy.mil>, rchui@nswc-wo.nswc.navy.mil (Raymond Chui) writes:
Please igore my previouse calculation mistaked. Please see the correct
calculation. Sorry!
|> I created a pixmap or drawable window, then used XDrawLine() function
|> drawed a line as below fingure:
|>
|> width = 300
|> ================================
|> | |
|> | |
|> | p1 |
|> | \ |
|> | \ | height = 300
|> | \ |
|> | \ |
|> | \ |
|> | \ |
|> | \ |
|> | \|p3
|> | |
|> |===============================| \
|> \
|> p2
|>
|> I created the pixmap or drawable window only with size 300x300.
|> But I draw line from p1(x1=270,y1=100) to p2(x2=500,y2=800).
|> My question is, dose the XDrawLine function can finger out that correct
|> p3(x3 and y3) for me? If you calculate x3 and y3.
|>
x3 = 300;
@ = art tan (500 - 270)/(800 - 100)) = 18.19 degrees;
y3 = 100 + (300 - 270)/tan(@) = 191.29 ~= 191 integer
|>
|> How do I prove XDrawLine() give me the right x3, y3 or not?
|> Please don't ask me why I don't created a 900x900 pixmap. No, I don't
|> wan to.
|>
|> Thanks in advance!
|> --
|> Raymond H. Chui
|> NSWC N62
|> 10901 New Hampshire Ave.
|> Silver Spring, MD 20903-5000
|> U.S.A.
|> Voice:1(301)394-3807 Ext. 45
|> FAX:1(301)394-4483
|> EMail:rchui@opal.nswc.navy.mil
|> _ __ _ , __
|> ' ) ) / ' ) / / ) /
|> /--' __. , , ____ ______ __/ /--/ / /_ . . o
|> / \_(_(_(_/_/) ) )_(_) /) )_(_(_ / ( o (__/ / /_(_/_(_
|> /
|> '
--
Raymond H. Chui
NSWC N62
10901 New Hampshire Ave.
Silver Spring, MD 20903-5000
U.S.A.
Voice:1(301)394-3807 Ext. 45
FAX:1(301)394-4483
EMail:rchui@opal.nswc.navy.mil
_ __ _ , __
' ) ) / ' ) / / ) /
/--' __. , , ____ ______ __/ /--/ / /_ . . o
/ \_(_(_(_/_/) ) )_(_) /) )_(_(_ / ( o (__/ / /_(_/_(_
/
'
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From: vgalvez@itesocci.gdl.ITeso.MX (Virginia Galvez)
Subject: (none)
Organization: The Internet
Lines: 7
NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu
To: XPERT@Athena.MIT.EDU
I am working on a problem of scheduling classroom, and I will like to know if
you have some software, papers or articles about it. If you have something
relate it, please let me know.
thanks
Lorenza Illanes
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From: donb@netcom.com (Don Baldwin)
Subject: Re: 2ND AMENDMENT DEAD - GOOD !
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Lines: 14
In article <1qrn3aINN4rq@clem.handheld.com> jmd@cube.handheld.com
(Jim De Arras) writes:
>> The 2nd amendment is dead. Accept this. Find another way.
>
>It ain't dead, yet. And even if it were repealed, remember, it just protects
>our RKBA, it does not grant any rights. There would then have to be
>additional laws passed to outlaw gun possession.
Even if they outlawed private posession of firearms, there would be no moral
force behind that law; I imagine compliance would be low.
don
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From: rwf2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ROBERT WILLIAM FUSI)
Subject: Re: Best Radar Detector ???
Organization: Lehigh University
Lines: 38
In article <1993Apr10.013011.808@lrc.edu>, burnside_br@lrc.edu writes:
>In article <1993Apr6.225034.7184@opencon.com>, giand@opencon.com (Deepak S. Gia
nchandani) writes:
>> Mubashir Cheema:
>>
>> Don't buy one, that is the best way to avoid tickets,
>> I used to have one and whenever a cop would pull me over, see
>> the thing, give me a ticket. One time my sister was driving,
>> and had it in the glove compartment, it was broken, and she
>> got a ticket. In 1987, I had received 4 tickets because of
>> it, one for my sister (so a total of five).
>>
>> That was five years ago, now I don't have one and Have not
>> gotten a ticket. My driving habits have not changed
>> drastically. Only two days ago I was going 77 MPH on Highway
>> with 55 MPH limit, cop saw me, I break a little, nothing
>> happened (I was driving a Mini-Van, with my family in it).
>> Otherwise, I have Cutlass Supreme, which I do 70 most of the
>> times on the highway.
>>
>> So basically my opnion is not to get one, if you do get pulled
>> over, The cop will hear your excuse, but if you have a radar
>> detecter, he will NOT. (again, this has been my experienc
>
>
>Just get a remote model that is not visible to the cop. But, be sure to get
>front AND rear sensors...
>
You can also just put the detector off to the side on the dash so the cop
doesn't see it right away...Valentine is the best detector by far (as stated
by Car and Driver) and even tells you what direction the radar is coming from.
It also gives the amount of "threats" it is picking up, so if you go through
the same place everyday, and it always goes off there, you can glance at the
number of "threats" the Valentine is detecting to see if it is a genuine cop.
It's about $300 and you can only get it factory direct..one problem.
Rob Fusi
rwf2@lehigh.edu
--
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Distribution: world
From: David_A._Schnider@bmug.org
Organization: BMUG, Inc.
Subject: DESI PB upgrade
Lines: 9
Does anyone know exactly how Digital Eclipse does their upgrades? Someone was
suggesting to me that some chips may not be able to perform at 33MHz. Is this
true, and if so, how does DESI deal with that?
-David
**** From Planet BMUG, the FirstClass BBS of BMUG. The message contained in
**** this posting does not in any way reflect BMUG's official views.
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From: dthumim@athena.mit.edu (Daniel J Thumim)
Subject: Re: 20" or 21" grayscale displays
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Lines: 14
NNTP-Posting-Host: marinara.mit.edu
> A quick look through the Computer Shopper gave the following companies
>that sell 20"+ monochrome monitors for less than $2000 (PC or PS/2 compatible):
> Cornerstone Technology, Digital Technology, Hardware That Fits,
> IBM, Ikegami, Image Systems, Nanao, Radius,
> Ran-Ger Technologies, Sampo, Samsung, Sigma Designs.
Most of these are single-scan monitors, which are useless for most
PC users. I posted requests for information in other newsgroups which
were mostly fruitless, but I have managed to track down two multisync
grayscal monitors in the 17-21" range, one 20" and one 21". I am still
looking into it, and I will post the results when I get more info.
I am looking into a group purchase as well.
-- |)aniel Thumim
dthumim@mit.edu
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From: ygoland@wright.seas.ucla.edu (The Jester)
Subject: Re: Don't fight Clipper Chip, subvert or replace it !
Distribution: na
Lines: 44
The Clipper chip is just the culmination of Dorthy Denning et all.
But lets ignore that for the moment.
The fundamental question is:Can the government stop me from using
encryption?
Ignoring for the moment the question of patented processes (such as
Public Keys), can the government stop me from using an encryption
process?
If the answer is yes then what freedom we have in this country is
truly gone and its time to get out the guns or the lawyers
(depending upon which causes more damage and to whom).
However assuming that I can still encrypt things as I please, who
cares about the clipper chip? As far as I'm concerned a phone line
is insecure PERIOD. I don't care if they encrypt it 10 ways from
sunday, if I didn't do the encrypting, I don't trust it. This is the
attitude that everyone else should have. Instead of worrying about a
clipper chip, simply connect your handset to your computer and feed
the voice single through, process, encrypt, and transmit over the
phone. The guy on the other hand then does the same in reverse.
Can't work you say? No Standard you say? Obviously you have never
uses PGP.
Anyone who expects the government to protect their freedoms is
kidding themselves. Only you can protect your own freedoms.
One final thought addressed to EFF:
1.Do you support the implementation of ANY form of
encryption where the encryption key must be revealed?
2.If you do, why? If not, why?
3.What SPECIFIC actions are you planning to take to either
support or stop this proposal?
4.If you do not support this proposal, what alternatives do
you offer?
The Jester
--
Proof Windows is a Virus:It is very widespread, It eats up your disk
space, It slows down your computer, It takes control over your
computer, It performs disk access at random times, It displays silly
messages on your screen, It randomly crashes the computer-Vesselin
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From: John Michael Santore <jsbh+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: NHL Team Captains
Organization: Sophomore, Mathematics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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<1993Apr19.022113.12134@ann-arbor.applicon.slb.com>
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>Michael Collingridge writes:
>
>>And, while we are on the subject, has a captain ever been traded,
>>resigned, or been striped of his title during the season? Any other
>>team captain trivia would be appreciated.
>
>Wasn't Ron Francis captain of the Whalers when he was traded to
>Pittsburgh?
>
>Mom.
Rick Tocchet was captain of the Flyers for several years before he was
traded to the Pens...
-John Santore
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/ \ "We break the surface tension
\_________ ____ \ with our wild kinetic dreams"
/ / \ \ -Rush, Grand Designs
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/ / /\___/ / Go Philadelphia Flyers!
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/ / \_______/ John Santore (jsbh@andrew.cmu.edu)
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From: C604223@mizzou1.missouri.edu (Cho Chuen Wong)
Subject: Performa Plus monitor
Nntp-Posting-Host: mizzou1.missouri.edu
Organization: University of Missouri
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I would like to know if a Performa Plus monitor is compatible with Apple 14in
Color Display, or it is just a VGA moniro. Any help will be appreciate.
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From: pjs269@tijc02.uucp (Paul Schmidt)
Subject: Re: Employment (was Re: Why not concentrate on child molesters?
Organization: Advocates for Self-Government - Davy Crockett Chapter
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
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sys1@exnet.co.uk (Xavier Gallagher) writes:
:
: No. I make a distinction between working for yourself to survive and
: paying dues to Mother Nature in the form of labour and working for
: Joe propertyowner because you do not have the option of working for
: yourself. Joe propertyowner stands between you and the earth you
: work and expects you to pay him *and* mother nature for the right
: to survive. The property laws create a layer of parasites that get
: fat on the fact that people have *no option* except to work in
: factories.
:
I want people to be able to get the things they need in life. Property
ownership may not be ideal, but it is far better at letting people get
what they need to live a productive, fulfulling life.
The first experiment in America, where property ownership was denied,
caused, starvation, hunger, and death. Few people know that the
Pilgrims originally tried to have common property to grow food and a
common food store. Many people know the hardships they suffered the
first few winters because of it. After arriving, the Pilgrims made all
property common. They all shared in the work and the resulting crops
went into a common store. After much debate the new Governor Bradford
privitized the land; assigning plots to each family. According to Perry
D. Westbrook: "The change was immediately justified by the increased
industry of the inhabitants and by the larger acreage planted."
Bradford himself acknowledged this failure of communism. He wrote: "The
experience that was had in this common course and condition, tried
sundry years and that amongst godly and sober men, may well evince the
vanity of that conceit of Plato's and other ancients applauded by some of
later times; that the taking away of property and bringing in community into
a commonwealth would make them happy and flourishing; as if they were wiser
than God. For this community (so far as it was) was found to breed much
confusion and discontent and retard much employment that would have been
to their benefit and comfort."
Bradford did not blame this failure on the "strangers", but on the basic
selfishness in all men. He wrote "seeing all men have this corruption in
them, God in his wisdom saw another course fitter for them." In other
words, according to Westbrook, "Bradford found private enterprise to be
the most suitable economic policy for mankind in its fallen state."
Let's not make the same mistake that the Pilgrims made. Private
property allows a society to flourish, the alternative brings
starvation, poverty and discontent.
--
Paul Schmidt: Advocates for Self-Government, Davy Crockett Chapter President
706 Judith Drive, Johnson City, TN 37604, (615)283-0084, uunet!tijc02!pjs269
"Freedom seems to have unleashed the creative energies of the people -- and
leads to ever higher levels of income and social progress." -- U.N. report
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From: kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rick Pavek)
Subject: VISION-3D site and email unavailable
Organization: Boeing
Lines: 21
I used the information provided in the recent resource listings and
tried to ftp to:
ccu1.aukland.ac.nz [130.216.1.5]: ftp/mac/architec - *VISION-3D facet
and received an 'unknown host' message.
mail to Paul D. Bourke (pdbourke@ccu1.aukland.ac.nz) bounces with basically
the same problem.
Where'd he go????
Rick
--
Rick Pavek | Never ask a droid to outdo its program.
kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com |
Seattle, WA | It wastes your time
| and annoys the droid.
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Subject: Convertibles
From: bouton@gertrude.cms.udel.edu (Katherine Bouton)
Reply-To: bouton@gertrude.cms.udel.edu
Organization: U of Delaware, College of Marine Studies / Lewes
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I was wondering if someone could point me to somewhere I could
find a list (and hopefully comparison) of all the convertibles that are
out these days. Seems like they are making a big comeback - but I'm not
sure where to look
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From: pjtier01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: Phills vs Pirates
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Organization: University of Louisville
>>>$ mlb -m pit phi
>>> Monday, 5/10 Pittsburg at Philadelphia (5:35 pm)
>>> Tuesday, 5/11 Pittsburg at Philadelphia (5:35 pm)
>>> Wednesday, 5/12 Pittsburg at Philadelphia (5:35 pm)
>>> Friday, 6/25 Philadelphia at Pittsburg (5:35 pm)
>>> Saturday, 6/26 Philadelphia at Pittsburg (5:05 pm)
>>> Sunday, 6/27 Philadelphia at Pittsburg (11:35 am)
>>> Friday, 7/30 Pittsburg at Philadelphia (5:35 pm)
>>> Saturday, 7/31 Pittsburg at Philadelphia (5:05 pm)
>>> Sunday, 8/ 1 Pittsburg at Philadelphia (11:35 am)
>>> Monday, 9/27 Philadelphia at Pittsburg (5:35 pm)
>>> Tuesday, 9/28 Philadelphia at Pittsburg (5:35 pm)
>>> Wednesday, 9/29 Philadelphia at Pittsburg (5:35 pm)
>>> Thursday, 9/30 Philadelphia at Pittsburg (5:35 pm)
>>
>>
>> Are these times correct??
>>
>> They seem as if they are 2 hrs ahead of the usual tiems
>> for these two teams.
>>
>
> The origin of that first message was Boise, which is on Central time.
>
> P. Tierney
Whoops! I meant Mountain Time.
P. Tierney
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From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Subject: Re: Will CS burn or explode
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Lines: 21
rcanders@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mr. Nice Guy) writes:
>The FBI released large amounts of CS tear gas into the compound in
>Waco. CS tear gas is a fine power. Is CS inflammable. Grain dust
>suspended in air can form an explosive mixture, will CS suspended in air
>form an explosive mix? Could large quantities of CS have fueled the
>rapid spread of fire in the compound?
No chance. If that CS ignited at all, it would have been
quite similar to a grain bin explosion. Explosion, I note. The
entire compound would have been leveled, not merely burned. As
there was no explosion, there was no CS ignition causing the fire.
Note: at five miles a decent grain elevator explosion will
knock you on your butt and your ears will ring for days. I speak
from experience here.
< Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu >
< ISU only censors what I read, not what I say. Don't blame them. >
< USENET: Post to exotic, distant machines. Meet exciting, >
< unusual people. And flame them. >
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From: andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman)
Subject: Re: Catalog of Hard-to-Find PC Enhancements (Repost)
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
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>andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) writes:
>> >In article <C5ELME.4z4@unix.portal.com> jdoll@shell.portal.com (Joe Doll) wr
>> >> "The Catalog of Personal Computing Tools for Engineers and Scien-
>> >> tists" lists hardware cards and application software packages for
>> >> PC/XT/AT/PS/2 class machines. Focus is on engineering and scien-
>> >> tific applications of PCs, such as data acquisition/control,
>> >> design automation, and data analysis and presentation.
>> >
>> >> If you would like a free copy, reply with your (U. S. Postal)
>> >> mailing address.
>>
>> Don't bother - it never comes. It's a cheap trick for building a
>> mailing list to sell if my junk mail flow is any indication.
>>
>> -andy sent his address months ago
>
>Perhaps we can get Portal to nuke this weasal. I never received a
>catalog either. If that person doesn't respond to a growing flame, then
>we can assume that we'yall look forward to lotsa junk mail.
I don't want him nuked, I want him to be honest. The junk mail has
been much more interesting than the promised catalog. If I'd known
what I was going to get, I wouldn't have hesitated. I wouldn't be
surprised if there were other folks who looked at the ad and said
"nope" but who would be very interested in the junk mail that results.
Similarly, there are people who wanted the advertised catalog who
aren't happy with the junk they got instead.
The folks buying the mailing lists would prefer an honest ad, and
so would the people reading it.
-andy
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From: nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu
Subject: Re: DC-X: Vehicle Nears Flight Test
Article-I.D.: aurora.1993Apr5.191011.1
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
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Nntp-Posting-Host: acad3.alaska.edu
In article <C4zHKw.3Dn@zoo.toronto.edu>, henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes:
> In article <2736@snap> paj@uk.co.gec-mrc (Paul Johnson) writes:
>>This bit interests me. How much automatic control is there? Is it
>>purely autonomous or is there some degree of ground control?
>
> The "stick-and-rudder man" is always the onboard computer. The computer
> normally gets its orders from a stored program, but they can be overridden
> from the ground.
>
>>How is
>>the transition from aerodynamic flight (if thats what it is) to hover
>>accomplished? This is the really new part...
>
> It's also one of the tricky parts. There are four different ideas, and
> DC-X will probably end up trying all of them. (This is from talking to
> Mitch Burnside Clapp, who's one of the DC-X test pilots, at Making Orbit.)
>
> (1) Pop a drogue chute from the nose, light the engines once the thing
> stabilizes base-first. Simple and reliable. Heavy shock loads
> on an area of structure that doesn't otherwise carry major loads.
> Needs a door in the "hot" part of the structure, a door whose
> operation is mission-critical.
>
> (2) Switch off pitch stability -- the DC is aerodynamically unstable at
> subsonic speeds -- wait for it to flip, and catch it at 180
> degrees, then light engines. A bit scary.
>
> (3) Light the engines and use thrust vectoring to push the tail around.
> Probably the preferred method in the long run. Tricky because
> of the fuel-feed plumbing: the fuel will start off in the tops
> of the tanks, then slop down to the bottoms during the flip.
> Keeping the engines properly fed will be complicated.
>
> (4) Build up speed in a dive, then pull up hard (losing a lot of speed,
> this thing's L/D is not that great) until it's headed up and
> the vertical velocity drops to zero, at which point it starts
> to fall tail-first. Light engines. Also a bit scary, and you
> probably don't have enough altitude left to try again.
> --
> All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology
> - Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry
Since the DC-X is to take off horizontal, why not land that way??
Why do the Martian Landing thing.. Or am I missing something.. Don't know to
much about DC-X and such.. (overly obvious?).
Why not just fall to earth like the russian crafts?? Parachute in then...
==
Michael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked
Please enlighten me... Ignorance is easy to correct. make a mistake and
everyone will let you know you messed up..
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From: eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A Shnekendorf)
Subject: Re: was:Go Hezbollah!!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
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mafifi@eis.calstate.edu (Marc A Afifi) writes:
>Let's not forget that the soldiers were killed not murdered. The
>distinction is not trivial. Murder happens to innocent people, not people
>whose line of work is to kill or be killed. It just so happened that these
>soldiers, in the line of duty, were killed by the opposition.
That still doesn't mean we should cheer their deaths. Policemen are also in
the line of fire and their job includes the possibility of getting killed.
Should we be happy when they die? As I said before, the question is not
whether or not you agree with the policies of Israel. You may wish for the
Israelis to cease occupation, but don't rejoice in death.
>-marc
Ed.
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From: robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson)
Subject: Krypto cables (was Re: Cobra Locks)
Organization: Institute of Cognitive Studies, U.C. Berkeley
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Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: cogsci.berkeley.edu
In article <1993Apr20.184432.21485@research.nj.nec.com> behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes:
> For the same money, you can get a Kryptonite cable lock, which is
>anywhere from 1/2" to 7/8" thick steel cable (looks like steel rope), shielded
>in a flexible covering to protect your bike's finish, and has a barrel-type
>locking mechanism. I don't know if it's adjustable, but my source says it's
>more difficult to pick than most locks, and the cable tends to squish flat
>in bolt-cutter jaws rather than shear (5/8" model).
>
> FYI, I'll be getting a Krypto cable next paycheck.
A word of warning, though: Kryptonite also sells almost useless cable
locks under the Kryptonite name.
When I obtained my second motorcycle, I migrated one of my Kryptonite
U-locks from my bicycle to the new bike. I then went out shopping for
a new lock for the bicycle.
For about the same money ($20) I had the choice of a Kryptonite cable lock
(advantages: lock front and back wheels on bicycle and keep them both,
Kryptonite name) or a cheesy no-name U-lock (advantages: real steel).
I chose the Kryptonite cable. After less than a week, I took it back in
disgust and exchanged it for the cheesy no-name U-lock.
First, the Krypto cable I bought is not made by Kryptonite, is not covered by
the Kryptonite guarantee, and doesn't even approach Kryptonite standards of
quality and quality assurance. It is just some generic made-in-Taiwan cable
lock with the Kryptonite name on it.
Secondly, the latch engagement mechanism is something of a joke. I
don't know if mine was a particularly poor example, but it was often
quite frustrating to get the latch to positively engage, and sometimes
it would seem to engage, only to fall open when I went to unlock it.
Thirdly, the lock has a little plastic door on the keyway which serves
the sole purpose of frustrating any attempt to insert the key in the
dark. I didn't try it (obviously), but I have my doubts that the
lock mechanism would stand up to an "insert screwdriver and TORQUE"
attack.
Fourthly, the cable was not, in my opinion, of sufficient thickness to
deter theft (for my piece of crap bicycle, that is). All cables suffer the
weakness that they can be cut a few strands at a time. If you are patient
you can cut cables with fingernail clippers. Aviation snips would go
through the cable in well under a minute.
--
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Michael Robinson UUCP: ucbvax!cogsci!robinson
INTERNET: robinson@cogsci.berkeley.edu
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From: norris@athena.mit.edu (Richard A Chonak)
Subject: Re: Interfaith weddings
Reply-To: norris@mit.edu
Organization: l'organisation, c'est moi
Lines: 10
Bill Burns was looking for a description of the differnces between the
Catholic and Lutheran churches.
I'd recommend Prof. William Whalen's book "Separated Brethren". It's
an overview of common US denominations, intended for a Catholic
audience.
--
Richard Aquinas Chonak, norris@mit.edu
Seeking job change: sys-mgr: VAX, SIS, COBOL; programmer; UNIX, C, C++, X
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From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)
Subject: Re: japanese moon landing?
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology
Lines: 21
In article <1qnb9tINN7ff@rave.larc.nasa.gov> C.O.EGALON@LARC.NASA.GOV (CLAUDIO OLIVEIRA EGALON) writes:
>> there is no such thing as a stable lunar orbit
>
>Is it right??? That is new stuff for me. So it means that you just can
>not put a sattellite around around the Moon for too long because its
>orbit will be unstable??? If so, what is the reason??? Is that because
>the combined gravitacional atraction of the Sun,Moon and Earth
>that does not provide a stable orbit around the Moon???
Any lunar satellite needs fuel to do regular orbit corrections, and when
its fuel runs out it will crash within months. The orbits of the Apollo
motherships changed noticeably during lunar missions lasting only a few
days. It is *possible* that there are stable orbits here and there --
the Moon's gravitational field is poorly mapped -- but we know of none.
Perturbations from Sun and Earth are relatively minor issues at low
altitudes. The big problem is that the Moon's own gravitational field
is quite lumpy due to the irregular distribution of mass within the Moon.
--
All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology
- Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry
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From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)
Subject: Re: <Political Atheists?
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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mmwang@adobe.com (Michael Wang) writes:
>>Well, I have typed in the OED definitions. As you will note upon reading
>>them, a punishment, being an inanimate object, is incapable of "showing
>>mercy." So, you can not say that a merciless punishment is a cruel one.
>Sorry, you must have missed the stuff in parens when you read the
>definition (where transf. = transferred sense and fig. =
>figurative,-ly). "Things" can be cruel. Samples of text from the first
>definition include, "Because I would not see thy cruell nailes Plucke
>out his poore old eyes," and "The puniness of man in the centre of a
>cruel and frowning universe."
Sure nails can be cruel. I'd imagine nails in your eyes would be
*very* painful. But, this does not imply that a painless death is
cruel, which is what you are supposed to be trying to show.
keith
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From: goudswaa@fraser.sfu.ca (Peter Goudswaard)
Subject: Re: Why is my mouse so JUMPY? (MS MOUSE)
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Lines: 40
ecktons@ucs.byu.edu (Sean Eckton) writes:
>I have a Microsoft Serial Mouse and am using mouse.com 8.00 (was using 8.20
>I think, but switched to 8.00 to see if it was any better). Vertical motion
>is nice and smooth, but horizontal motion is so bad I sometimes can't click
>on something because my mouse jumps around. I can be moving the mouse to
>the right with relatively uniform motion and the mouse will move smoothly
>for a bit, then jump to the right, then move smoothly for a bit then jump
>again (maybe this time to the left about .5 inch!). This is crazy! I have
>never had so much trouble with a mouse before. Anyone have any solutions?
Try this: flip your mouse over, and open up the cover that holds the
mouse ball in place. Remove the ball, and inside you should see
(probably) 3 rollers. If any of the rollers have a tiny layer of
caked-on dirt, dust, or otherwise unidentifiable scum on them, carefully
scrape it off with a small knife (Xacto works great). *Be Careful*
You do not want to gauge the rollers, just clean off the dirt.
Put the ball back in, put the cover on, and there you are.
I clean a couple of dozen of these every month here. Another symptom
is that when you move the mouse, it seems to "click" along. If this
doesn't solve your problem, at least you have a clean mouse. I highly
recommend using a proper _soft_ mouse pad, and if you are a clean freak,
place it in your drawer every night or when you don't use it to keep
the dust off.
Personally I prefer track balls. Oh, which brings me to another point:
if your mouse or trackball tracks optically, and the sunlight is
streaming through the window onto your mouse/trackball, you may notice
that it will stop working. If this happens to you, close the curtains
or blinds, or simply shade your pointing device, and see if that helps.
--
Peter Goudswaard _________ _________
goudswaa@sfu.ca (preferred) | | __/^\__ | |
pgoudswa@cln.etc.bc.ca | | \ / | |
pgoudswa@cue.bc.ca | | _/\_\ /_/\_ | |
| | > < | |
"There's no gift like the present" | >_________< | |
- Goudswaard's observation |_________| | |_________|
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From: arc@cco.caltech.edu (Aaron Ray Clements)
Subject: Re: ACLU (was Re: Waco Shootout ...)
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) writes:
>In article <1993Mar31.140529.10843@news.cs.indiana.edu> "Paul Hager"
><hagerp@cs.indiana.edu> writes:
>>
>> As an old post of mine came up in a collection of posts about
>> the ACLU's position on gun-control, I would like to note that my
>> own position has been evolving. But, I'm still not sure how to
>> answer the question, "does the 2nd allow me to have my own nuclear
>> device?"
>The second amendment does not prohibit it, but it can probably be argued that
>there is no way you can operate one without severely impacting on the safety
>and rights of others, and so might not be permitted on that basis.
The existence of the weapon in and of itself (and this is also
true for biologics and chemical weapons, but for slightly different
reasons) poses a threat to living critters. Can you say "neutron
and other radiation flux due to radioactive decay", boys and girls?
aaron
arc@cco.caltech.edu
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From: bressler@iftccu.ca.boeing.com (Rick Bressler)
Subject: Re: "Proper gun control?" What is proper gun control? (was Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card)
Organization: Boeing Commercial Airplane Group
Lines: 16
/ iftccu:talk.politics.guns / hays@ssd.intel.com (Kirk Hays) / 3:31 pm Apr 13, 1993 /
>Some of the pro-gun posters in this group own no guns. The dread
>"Terminator", aka "The Rifleman", owned no firearms for several years
>while posting in this group, as an example. There are others.
Good point, Kirk.
He's still around too. He's responded by email to a couple of my posts,
and gosh darn, he's gotten down right civil! This happed about the time
he got his first firearm. Wonder if there is a relationship here? Turns
out that MOST people (at least the ones who are not criminals to start
with) act responsibility once given the chance.
Rick.
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From: wcd82671@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (daniel warren c)
Subject: Splitfire Plugs... Kinda Offical...
Summary: Supposed "Higher power output".
Distribution: rec.motorcycles
Keywords: Using Splitfire plugs for performance.
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Lines: 54
Yo, Whaz up!!!
Earlier, I was reading on the net about using Splitfire plugs. One
guy was thinking about it and almost everybody shot him to hell. Well,
I saw one think that someone said about "Show me a team that used Split-
fires...." Well, here's some additional insight and some theories
about splitfire plugs and how they boost us as oppossed to cages.
Splitfires were originally made to burn fuel more efficiently and
increased power for the 4x4 cages. Well, for these guys, splitfires
increased performance by increasing TORQUE. They weren't focusing
on horsepower numbers.
Now how does this related to us high performance pilots? Well, that
depends. Do you pilot a high performance 2- or 4-cylinder machine?
In the case of 4-cylinders, splitfires would increase overall torque,
but 4's make more top end horsepower with its torque packed down low.
So for 4's, splitfires would not significantly increase power.
But what about twins?... Many of you 4 guys laugh at some of us twins,
but many times we carry less weight which sometimes can make up for
the hp loss (see Doug Polen vs. Scott Russell, Daytona 1992). However,
twins make more torque thoughout their powerbands. So how does this
translate? Increased torque should "theoretically" help twins make
more power. Splitfire claims that there should be not extra mods
or anything made, just stick 'em in.
Now I don't know about all of this (and I'm trying to catch up with
somebody about it now), but Splitfires should help twins more than
4's.
As far as racing teams.... Ducati team "Fast by Ferraci" used
splitfires in the 1989 season (this is when they had Jamie James
running for em), but I don't know why they stopped since then.
Also, somebody check to see if they had them in 88.....
Peace.
Warren
wcd82671@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
"Have Suzuki, will travel..."
At a local "fix-er-up-er" shop, the bike repairest looked at a
dumped ZX-7. Then he asked the guy...
"What happened..." "I dumped the clutch..."
"How fast..." "Pretty fast..."
"Insurance..." "Nope."
The fixer smiled.....
"What do you know about bikes?" "Not much....."
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From: Danny Weitzner <djw@eff.org>
Subject: Re-inventing Crypto Policy? An EFF Statement
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A7F49385AC03AC80@harding.eff.org>
X-Xxdate: Fri, 16 Apr 93 21:47:01 GMT
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Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d17
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April 16, 1993
INITIAL EFF ANALYSIS OF CLINTON PRIVACY AND SECURITY PROPOSAL
The Clinton Administration today made a major announcement on
cryptography policy which will effect the privacy and security of
millions of Americans. The first part of the plan is to begin a
comprehensive inquiry into major communications privacy issues such as
export controls which have effectively denied most people easy access to
robust encryption, and law enforcement issues posed by new technology.
However, EFF is very concerned that the Administration has already
reached a conclusion on one critical part of the inquiry, before any
public comment or discussion has been allowed. Apparently, the
Administration is going to use its leverage to get all telephone
equipment vendors to adopt a voice encryption standard developed by the
National Security Agency. The so-called "Clipper Chip" is an 80-bit,
split key escrowed encryption scheme which will be built into chips
manufactured by a military contractor. Two separate escrow agents would
store users' keys, and be required to turn them over law enforcement upon
presentation of a valid warrant. The encryption scheme used is to be
classified, but the chips will be available to any manufacturer for
incorporation into its communications products.
This proposal raises a number of serious concerns .
First, the Administration has adopted a solution before conducting an
inquiry. The NSA-developed Clipper Chip may not be the most secure
product. Other vendors or developers may have better schemes.
Furthermore, we should not rely on the government as the sole source for
the Clipper or any other chips. Rather, independent chip manufacturers
should be able to produce chipsets based on open standards.
Second, an algorithm cannot be trusted unless it can be tested. Yet, the
Administration proposes to keep the chip algorithm classified. EFF
believes that any standard adopted ought to be public and open. The
public will only have confidence in the security of a standard that is
open to independent, expert scrutiny.
Third, while the use of the use of a split-key, dual escrowed system may
prove to be a reasonable balance between privacy and law enforcement
needs, the details of this scheme must be explored publicly before it is
adopted. What will give people confidence in the safety of their keys?
Does disclosure of keys to a third party waive an individual's Fifth
Amendment rights in subsequent criminal inquiries? These are but a few
of the many questions the Administrations proposal raised but fails to
answer.
In sum, the Administration has shown great sensitivity to the importance
of these issues by planning a comprehensive inquiry into digital privacy
and security. However, the "Clipper Chip" solution ought to be
considered as part of the inquiry, and not be adopted before the
discussion even begins.
DETAILS OF THE PROPOSAL:
ESCROW
The 80-bit key will be divided between two escrow agents, each of whom
hold 40-bits of each key. The manufacturer of the communications device
would be required to register all keys with the two independent escrow
agents. A key is tied to the device, however, not the person using it.
Upon presentation of a valid court order, the two escrow agents would
have to turn the key parts over to law enforcement agents. According to
the Presidential Directive just issued, the Attorney General will be
asked to identify appropriate escrow agents. Some in the Administration
have suggested that one non-law enforcement federal agency (perhaps the
Federal Reserve), and one non-governmental organization could be chosen,
but there is no agreement on the identity of the agents yet.
CLASSIFIED ALGORITHM AND THE POSSIBILITY OF BACK DOORS
The Administration claims that there are no back doors -- means by which
the government or others could break the code without securing keys from
the escrow agents -- and that the President will be told there are no
back doors to this classified algorithm. In order to prove this,
Administration sources are interested in arranging for an all-star crypto
cracker team to come in, under a security arrangement, and examine the
algorithm for trap doors. The results of the investigation would then be
made public.
The Clipper Chipset was designed and is being produced and a sole-source,
secret contract between the National Security Agency and two private
firms: VLSI and Mycotronx. NSA work on this plan has been underway for
about four years. The manufacturing contract was let 14 months ago.
GOVERNMENT AS MARKET DRIVER
In order to get a market moving, and to show that the government believes
in the security of this system, the feds will be the first big customers
for this product. Users will include the FBI, Secret Service, VP Al
Gore, and maybe even the President. At today's Commerce Department press
briefing, a number of people asked this question, though: why would any
private organization or individual adopt a classified standard that had
no independent guaranty of security or freedom from trap doors?
COMPREHENSIVE POLICY INQUIRY
The Administration has also announced that it is about to commence an
inquiry into all policy issues related to privacy protection, encryption,
and law enforcement. The items to be considered include: export
controls on encryption technology and the FBI's Digital Telephony
Proposal. It appears that the this inquiry will be conducted by the
National Security Council. Unfortunately, however, the Presidential
Directive describing the inquiry is classified. Some public involvement
in the process has been promised, but they terms have yet to be specified.
FROM MORE INFORMATION CONTACT:
Jerry Berman, Executive Director (jberman@eff.org)
Daniel J. Weitzner, Senior Staff Counsel (djw@eff.org)
Full text of the Press releases and Fact Sheets issued by the
Administration will be available on EFF's ftp site.
Danny Weitzner Senior Staff Counsel, EFF
+1 202 544 3077
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From: jingyao@rainier.eng.ohio-state.edu (Jinyao Liu)
Subject: Home base and Car CB units, Motorola Beeper for sale
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering
Distribution: na
Lines: 31
(1) Uniden 40 Channel CB Transceiver, Model Pro 710e.
This is a home base unit, with connectors for external speaker and
PA speaker. 3.5"x3" internal speaker, chanel 9/10 button, NB/ANL/PA
selector buttons, Volume, Squelch, RF Gain, Tone and Mic Gain controls,
Comes with Mic. Side mount for mic. measures 14"x8"x3". Plugs into
110v. Black
Like new. (actually brand new) Asking $105, shipping included
(2) Midland International Model 77-101C, 40 chanel, car unit
This one is well used. black w/silver front. comes with mic, power
cord for 12v cigarette lighter socket, gutter mount antena is also
included (easy to install and remove).
Asking $45, shipping included
Or both for $130, including shipping. The Uniden alone is about
$150 in Kmart. These two will work nicely together, have one in
the garage and one in your truck.
(3) Motorola Beeper. I can't quite figure out what is the model number
Cost is $133 to buy from USAMobile. Don't use this no more, $65
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From: thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Kyle K. on Rodney King
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Distribution: usa
Lines: 12
In article <C5Lp0y.FDK@news.cso.uiuc.edu> kkopp@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (koppenhoefer kyle cramm) writes:
> How about the fact that you have a bunch of cops putting their lives on
>the line day in and day out who are afraid as hell of a large black guy that
^^^^^
>took a large amount of punishment and refused submit?
I'm curious why you think that particular adjective is important.
--
ted frank |
thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu | I'm sorry, the card says "Moops."
the u of c law school |
standard disclaimers |
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From: msprague@superior.mcwbst311b (Mike Sprague)
Subject: Re: Soundblaster IRQ and Port settings
Organization: Xerox
Lines: 20
> My solution was to switch the interrupt to IRQ 5, which is
> unreserved in contemporary computers (using IRQ 5 for the
> drives went out with the XT architechture ... )
Not completly true. For AT class and later machines, IRQ5 is
reserved for LPT2. Since it's rare to have a second parallel
port in a PC, it's usually a good safe choice if you need an
interrupt.
On the other hand, we just ran into a problem with that here
at work on a Gateway computer (4DX-33V). It has a Modem on COM1,
a Mouse on COM2, and the other serial port was set to COM3 (which
normally uses the same interrupt as COM1). We had a real fight
with a board when trying to use IRQ5, and discoverd the problem
was that Gateway had set it up such that COM3 used IRQ5. As soon
as we disabled COM3, our problems went away. Grumble ... after
several days of trying to figure out why the interrupt didn't work.
~ Mike (sprague.wbst311@xerox.com)
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Subject: Joe Venuti Record Wanted
From: rbrooks@eis.calstate.edu (Richard J. Brooks)
Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services
Lines: 7
If anyone has Joe Venuti's record "Fiddle on Fire" and would like to sell it
please contact me.
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Richard J. Brooks (El Cerrito, CA) Internet: rbrooks@eis.calstate.edu
CompuServe: 71121,3406 Internet: 71121.3406@compuserve.com
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From: chuck@eng.umd.edu (Chuck Harris - WA3UQV)
Subject: Re: CNN for sale
Organization: University of Maryland, Department of Electrical Engineering
Lines: 11
Distribution: usa
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In article <C5soMx.HMD@boi.hp.com> kde@boi.hp.com (Keith Emmen) writes:
>If anyone is keeping a list of the potential contributors,
>you can put me down for $1000.00 under the conditions above
Seems to me folks, that if you are so interested in acquiring CNN, just
buy your $1000 worth of stock today. It's being traded everyday. After you
own your piece, we can work on the proxy votes later. It's probably even a
good investment.
Chuck Harris - WA3UQV
chuck@eng.umd.edu
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From: mkagalen@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (michael kagalenko)
Subject: Some thoughts on Clipper proposal
Organization: Division of Academic Computing, Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115 USA
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I envision incorporation of new standart into
various communication systems, thus making it prevalent on the market &
therefore cheap. The way to do that may be detaching crypto chip from
communication equipment. It seems logical to provide Clipper chip
to the end-user not as a part of phone, fax, modem & like but in the
form of smart-card compatible with various telecomm. products. Banks
will encourage extensive use of new cards to make transactions by phone.
Natural step will be to cross-reference this card to the person in the
government databases - or else this new version of "wiretap proposal"
make no sence at all; one wish to eavesdrop (spell.) on the particular
person, not on the particular modem or phone.
As a side note, I disagree with one poster, who said he won't care about
ability of the government to eavesdrop, since they can do that now
anyway. Clipper will take away electronic survelliance from citizens,
making it monopoly of the government. May be, we can find examples when
interceptions made by (unauthorised) people uncovered crimes of
state officials ?
--
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For PGP2.1 public key finger mkagalen@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu
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From: mwchiu@tigr.org (Man-Wai Chiu)
Subject: Xm1.2.1 and OW server
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
Lines: 43
Distribution: inet
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu
We have a program written with X11R5 and Motif 1.2.1. It runs fine on the Sun
X11R5 server and MacX. When that program is run under the Sparc 2 and the
OW server, the program crashed itself along with the server. It crashed before
the first window had showed up.
I got the following error from X.
XIO: fatal IO error 32 (Broken pipe) on X server "perot:0.0"
after 62 requests (59 known processed) with 0 events remaining.
The connection was probably broken by a server shutdown or KillClient.
I have run the program with xmon and below is the last twenty lines or so from
xmon before both the program and server crashed.
............REQUEST: GetProperty
delete: False
window: WIN 00900001
property: ATM 00000074
type: ATM 00000074
long-offset: 00000000
..............REPLY: GetProperty
format: 00
type: <NONE>
bytes-after: 00000000
............REQUEST: GetInputFocus
..............REPLY: GetInputFocus
revert-to: Parent
focus: WIN 0040000d
............REQUEST: ChangeProperty
mode: Replace
window: WIN 00900001
property: ATM 00000074
type: ATM 00000074
format: 08
data: 42 00 00 01 00 00 00 10 00 00 00 75 00 00 00 00
............REQUEST: GetInputFocus
Please email to me if you have any idea of the above problem.
Thanks in advance.
--
MW Chiu
mwchiu@tigr.org
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From: bcwhite@sunee.uwaterloo.ca (Brian C. White)
Subject: Re: SCSI on dos
Keywords: SCSI, DOS, streamer
Organization: University of Waterloo
Lines: 15
In article <1993Apr19.132748.18044@julian.uwo.ca> wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes:
>It was the Seagate 296N and the ST-02 controller. I found that the
>controller couldn't keep up with a 1:1 interleave, so the best I could do
>with the drive was a 2:1 interleave and a data transfer of about 450 k/sec.
According to what others have told me, the ST-296N is difficult to run at
the 1:1 interleave even though Seagate claims it. I have a non-pc system
(don't ask what it is, you probably haven't heard of it) that is built
around SCSI and it can't do 1:1, either.
Brian
( bcwhite@sunee.uwaterloo.ca )
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In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they're not.
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From: Clinton-HQ@Campaign92.Org (Clinton/Gore '92)
Subject: CLINTON: Press Availability With Russian Press 4.4.93
Organization: Project GNU, Free Software Foundation,
675 Mass. Ave., Cambridge, MA 02139, USA +1 (617) 876-3296
Lines: 220
NNTP-Posting-Host: life.ai.mit.edu
THE WHITE HOUSE
Office of the Press Secretary
(Vancouver, British Columbia)
_________________________________________________________________
For Immediate Release April 4, 1993
PRESS CONFERENCE BY THE PRESIDENT
WITH RUSSIAN PRESS
Canada Place
Vancouver, British Columbia
2:46 P.M. PDT
Q I had two questions for both Presidents, so you
could probably answer for Boris, too. (Laughter.)
THE PRESIDENT: I'll give you my answer, then I'll
give you Yeltsin's answer. (Laughter.)
Q The first is that this is the meeting of the
Presidents, so the money that's being promised is government
money, and naturally it's going to be distributed through the
government. But you've indicated that three-quarters are going
to be going to businesses. So the question is how the Russian
businesses themselves are going to be consulted, if ever? What
are the priorities, because there are several association of
Russian businessmen existing already, so will they be invited to
participate in setting up priorities for investment?
This is the first. And second, to you. We know
that polls, public polls in America do not show that Americans
are very enthusiastic about giving this aid. Like Newsweek polls
say that about 75 percent don't approve it, and New York Times
published that 52 percent support if it just prevents civil war;
42 percent if it fosters democratic reform; and only 29 percent
if it just personally supports Yeltsin. How are you going to
sort of handle this problem that Americans themselves are not
very enthusiastic? Thank you.
Q I have a question, I'm sorry -- is there going
to be a translation of everything into Russian? No, just the
answers. Just the answers. Okay.
THE PRESIDENT: The answer to the first question is,
it depends on what kind of aid we're discussing. For example,
the funds that will be set up for financing new businesses will
obviously go to those businesses who apply and who seem to be
good risks and make the application. The privatization fund will
be used to support the privatization of existing public
enterprises. Then there are some other general funds in the
Democracy Corps and other things which people in Russia will have
some influence over the distribution of.
With regard to your second question, let me say that
I would think that there would be people in both countries who
would not feel too warmly toward simply the American government
giving money to the Russian government. There's opposition to
that in Russia. And in our country, throughout our whole history
there has been an opposition to foreign aid of all kinds. That
is, this has nothing to do with Russia. If you look at the whole
history of America, any kind of aid program has always been
unpopular.
What I have tried to tell the American people is, is
this is not an aid program, this is an investment program; that
this is an investment in our future. We spent $4 trillion --
trillion -- on armaments on soldiers and other investments
because of the Cold War. Now, with a democratic government in
Russia, with the newly independent states, the remainder of them
working on a democracy and struggling to get their economies
going, it seems to me very much in our interest to make it
possible to do whatever we can for democracy to survive, for the
economy of Russia to grow because of the potential for trade and
investment there, and for us to continue the effort to reduce
nuclear weapons and other elements of hostility on both sides, on
our side and on the Russian side.
So I don't see this as an aid program; this is an
investment for the United States. This is very much in the
interest of the United States. The things I announced today, the
second stage of the program, which I hope to put together next
week, in my view are things that are good for my country and for
the taxpayers and workers of my country.
Russia is a very great nation that needs some
partnership now, some common endeavor with other people who share
her goals. But it would be a great mistake for anyone to view
this as some sort of just a charity or an aid issue. That's not
what it is, it's an investment for America and it's a wonderful
investment.
Like all investments, there is some risk. But
there's far less risk with a far greater potential of return than
the $4 trillion we spent looking at each other across the barrier
of the Cold War.
Q Mr. President, first of all thank you very
much, indeed, for coming here and talking to us. In the memory
of the living correspondents, this is the first time an American
President is doing this to the Russian press corps, so it's kind
of a very measured breakthrough.
I have two questions. One, in your introductory
remarks of the other press conference, you mentioned in brief
that you discussed the START II and START I issues. Could you
tell us: Did you reach an agreement with President Yeltsin as to
what might be done in order to have Ukraine join the ratification
of START I and the NPT regime? And my second question is, how
confident you are that the United States Congress would be eager
to support you in lifting Jackson-Vanik and other restrictions
inherited from the Cold War?
PRESIDENT CLINTON: First, we discussed the issue of
Ukraine with regard to START I and NPT, and generally, with
regard to the need to proceed to have the other independent
states all be non-nuclear; but also to have the United States
develop strong relationships with them. We know that one thing
that we could do that would increase, I think, the willingness of
the Ukraine to support this direction is to successfully conclude
our own negotiations on highly enriched uranium, because that
would provide not only an important economic opportunity for
Russia, but also for Ukraine, and it would show some reaching out
on our part. But we agreed that basically the people who signed
off on the Lisbon Protocol have got to honor what they did, and
we agreed to continue to press that.
I, myself, have spent a good deal of time trying to
reassure Ukraine's leaders, specifically the President and the
Foreign Minister, that I want strong ties with Ukraine, that the
United States very much wants a good relationship with Ukraine,
but that, in order to do what we need to do together to
strengthen the economy of Ukraine and to have the United States
be fully supportive, the commitment to ratify START I and to join
the NPT regime is critical.
What was the second question?
THE PRESIDENT: With regard to Jackson-Vanik and
COCOM, I would make two points: First, I have agreed with the
Republican and Democratic leaders in the Congress that we will,
as soon as I return, have a list of all the legislative and other
restrictions, some of them are regulatory in nature, imposed on
relations between the United States and Russia, that are legacies
of the Cold War. And we will see whether they're -- how many of
them we could agree to do away with right now, at least among the
leadership of the Congress.
With regard to Jackson-Vanik, I think there will be
an openness to change the law if the Congress is convinced there
are, in fact, no more refusniks, no more people who wish to
emigrate who are not being allowed to. If the fact is that there
is no one there who would have been -- who the law was designed
to affect, then I think that the desire to keep the law will be
much less.
With regard to COCOM, my guess is, and it's nothing
more than a guess, that the leadership of Congress and indeed my
own advisers, might prefer to see some sort of phased movement
out of the COCOM regime. But I think they would be willing to
begin it in the fairly near future.
Q Mr. Clinton, when I read your speech in
Annapolis, I got the impression that you have a completely
different personal -- and I stress that -- personal, not
political approach towards Russia, compared to the approach of
Mr. Bush. Could you formulate in a few words, what is the
difference between you as a personality and your approach -- the
difference between your approach to Russia and the approach of
Mr. Bush? And who made you -- why did you cite Akhmatova in the
last part of your speech?
THE PRESIDENT: Let me say, first, I do not wish to
compare myself with President Bush or anyone else. I can't say
what was in his heart about Russia. I can say that since I was a
boy, I have been personally fascinated with the history, the
music and the culture, and the literature of Russia. I have been
thrilled by Russian music since I was a serious student of music
for more than 30 years now. I have read major Russian novelists
and many of your poets and followed your ballet and tried to know
as much as I could about your history.
And I went to the Soviet Union -- but it was then
the Soviet Union -- you may know it was a big issue in the last
presidential campaign that I spent the first week of 1970 alone
in Moscow and did not return again until three days before Mr.
Yeltsin was elected President. But all that time I was away, I
was following events there very closely and hoping for the day
when we could be genuine partners. So I have always had a
personal feeling about Russia.
I remember, for example -- a lot of you know I like
music very much. One of the most moving experiences for me as a
musician was when Leonard Bernstein took the New York
Philharmonic to Moscow and played Shostakovich's Fifth Symphony
to the Russians. And he played the last movement more rapidly
than anyone had ever played it before because it was technically
so difficult. That is something I followed very closely when it
occurred.
These are things that have always had a big impact
on my life. And I had just always hoped that someday, if I ever
had the chance to, I could play a role in seeing our two
countries become closer partners. (Applause.)
THE PRESS: Thank you.
END3:06 P.M. PDT
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From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight)
Subject: Re: An Open Letter to Mr. Clinton
Organization: DSI/USCRPAC
Lines: 14
Here's a simple way to convert the Clipper proposal to an unexceptionable
one: Make it voluntary.
That is--you get high quality secure NSA classified technology if you agree
to escrow your key. Otherwise you are on your own.
David
--
David Sternlight Great care has been taken to ensure the accuracy of
our information, errors and omissions excepted.
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From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
Subject: Re: Yet more Rushdie [Re: ISLAMIC LAW]
Organization: sgi
Lines: 31
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In article <115565@bu.edu>, jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:
|> In article <1qi3l5$jkj@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
|>
|> >I hope an Islamic Bank is something other than BCCI, which
|> >ripped off so many small depositors among the Muslim
|> >community in the Uk and elsewhere.
|>
|> >jon.
|>
|> Grow up, childish propagandist.
Gregg, I'm really sorry if having it pointed out that in practice
things aren't quite the wonderful utopia you folks seem to claim
them to be upsets you, but exactly who is being childish here is
open to question.
BBCI was an example of an Islamically owned and operated bank -
what will someone bet me they weren't "real" Islamic owners and
operators? - and yet it actually turned out to be a long-running
and quite ruthless operation to steal money from small and often
quite naive depositors.
And why did these naive depositors put their life savings into
BCCI rather than the nasty interest-motivated western bank down
the street? Could it be that they believed an Islamically owned
and operated bank couldn't possibly cheat them?
So please don't try to con us into thinking that it will all
work out right next time.
jon.
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From: bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB)
Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM
Lines: 49
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: dante.nmsu.edu
DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>SCSI-I ranges from 0-5MB/s.
>SCSI-II ranges from 0-40MB/s.
>IDE ranges from 0-8.3MB/s.
>ESDI is always 1.25MB/s (although there are some non-standard versions)
The above does not tell the proper story of SCSI:
SCSI-I: 8-bit asynchronous {~1.5MB/s ave}, synchronous {5MB/s max} transfer
base.
SCSI-1{faster} this requires a SCSI-2 controller chip and provides
SCSI-2 {8-bit to 16-bit} speeds with SCSI-1 controlers.
SCSI-2: 4-6MB/s with 10MB/s burst{8-bit}, 8-12MB/s with 20MB/s burst {16-bit},
and 15-20MB/s with 40MB/s burst{32-bit/wide and fast}. 16-bit SCSI can be
wide or fast, it depends on how the port is designed{The Quadras will support
fast SCSI but not wide when the OS SCSI manager is rewritten since the
Quardas use a SCSI-1 {non-wide} port}.
The article in PC Mag 4/27/93:29 was talking about SCSI-1 {SCSI-2 uses
TEN (10) devices in it native mode, outside its native mode it behaves a
lot like SCSI-1 (7 devices, slower through put}
From your own figures SCSI-1 is indeed twice ESDI as the article pointed out
as for "20% faster then IDE" that seems to be 8-bit SCSI-1 using a SCSI-2
contoler chip {The Mac Quadra uses a SCSI-2 controler chip for its SCSI-1
and gets 6MB/s through put for asynchronous {8-bit} SCSI-1, far in excess of a
normal SYNCHRONOUS SCSI-1 output} 120% of 8.3 is 9.96 which is near
the burst of a SCSI-1 machine with a SCSI-2 controller chip.
The PC world seems to have SCSI-1 and SCSI-2 mixed up. Fact is SCSI-2
controler chips allow near SCSI-2 speeds through a SCSI-1 device
{As shown in the Mac Quadra} which skews some of the data of SCSI-1 vs
IDE or ESDI test. I agree that the article COULD have stated that the "20%
faster then IDE" came off a SCSI-1 device with a SCSI-2 chip. Maybe it
was there and the EDITOR killed it because the article was dealing with
SCSI-1 NOT SCSI-2 and he did not understand the effect of a SCSI-1 device
with a SCSI-2 controller chip.
SCSI-1 chips are limited to 5/MB max. SCSI-1 devices with SCSI-2 chips
{becoming common} produce up to 10Mb/s in 8-bit mode and 20MB/s in 16-bit
mode {the fast version, SCSI-1 ports cannot use wide SCSI}. Of cource
the prime piece of wierdness is that SCSI-1 devices HAVE SCSI-2 chips
{or more accurately the machine does}. This allows the best of BOTH
worlds: high SCSI-2 speeds and cheeper SCSI-1 costs {FULL SCSI-2 hardware
(port, electronic controller, etc) is VERY expensive. It ALSO creates
a logistic NIGHTMARE as to how fast SCSI-1 goes.
When one knows the FACTS behind the numbers then one realizes that the
article knows what it is talking about {even if it does not tell HOW the
figures came about} while DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu is throwing out
ranges that don't tell SQUAT {Since he IGNORES SCSI-1 devices with
SCSI-2 chips his ranges tell even LESS then intended.} }
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Subject: good book
From: RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg)
Distribution: world
Organization: Philosophy Dept., Wesleyan University
Nntp-Posting-Host: wesleyan.edu
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20Lines: 48
Lines: 48
Having been gone for 10 days, I'm way behind on my News reading, so many
pardons if I am repeating something that has been said already.
I read a good book while I was away, THE ANTIBIOTIC PARADOX: HOW MIRACLE DRUGS
ARE DESTROYING THE MIRACLE, Stuart B. Levy, M.D., 1992, Plenum Press,
ISBN:0-306-44331-7.
It is about drug resistant microorganisms & the history of antibiotics. It
is interesting & written at a level which I think many sci.med readers would
appreciate -- which is: it assumes an intelligent reader who is capable of
understanding scientific concepts, but who may not yet have been exposed to
this particular information. I.e., it assumes you are smart enough to
understand it, but it does not assume that you already have a degree in
microbiology or medicine. Table of contents:
Chapter 1
From Tragedy the Antibiotic Age is Born
Chapter 2
The Disease and the Cure: The Microscopic World of Bacteria and
Antibiotics
Chapter 3
Reliance on Medicine and Self-Medication: The Seeds of Antibiotic
Misuse
Chapter 4
Antibiotic Resistance: Microbial Adaptation and Evolution
Chapter 5
The Antibiotic Myth
Chapter 6
Antibiotics, Animals and the Resistance Gene Pool
Chapter 7
Further Ecological Considerations: Antibiotic Use in Agriculture,
Aquaculture, Pets, and Minor Animal Species
Chapter 8
Future Prospects: New Advances Against Potential Disaster
Chapter 9
The Individual and Antibiotic Resistance
Chapter 10
Antibiotic Resistance: A Societal Issue at Local, National, and
International Levels.
Includes bibliography and index.
I personally found that it made very good Airplane-Reading.
-rg
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Ruth Ginzberg <rginzberg@eagle.wesleyan.edu>
Philosophy Department;Wesleyan University;USA
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From: huot@cray.com (Tom Huot)
Subject: Re: Bruins-Pens: the Ulf-Neeley fight
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Nntp-Posting-Host: pittpa.cray.com
Organization: Cray Research Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Oh, excuse me for wasting the bandwidth, but I was referring to
the original incident, not the recent skirmish which occurred
this past month.
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Tom Huot
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From: seth@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (peter.r.clark..jr)
Subject: FLYERS notes 4/17
Organization: AT&T
Keywords: FLYERS/Whalers summary
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The FLYERS closed out the season last night with their 8th straight victory,
a 5-4 OT winner over the Hartford Whalers. The OT game winner came from Dimitri
Yushkevich, just his 5th of the season and his first game winner. The FLYERS
never led up until that point in the game. For the Whalers, the loss marked an
NHL record 9th OT loss this season.
Roster move:
Gord Hynes was called to to play in place of Ryan McGill
Injuries:
Ryan McGill injured his hand in a fight 4/15 and was scratched.
Lines:
Eklund-Lindros-Recchi
Beranek-Brind'Amour-Dineen
Lomakin-Butsayev-Conroy
Faust-Acton-Brown
Galley-Bowen
Yushkevich-Hawgood
Carkner-Hynes
Dominic Roussel
Game Summary:
I didn't get TV coverage of the game, and since it was stormy in these parts
I didn't have the best radio coverage either. Here's the box score followed by
a few things I did pick up:
First Period:
Hartford, Nylander 10, 8:51
Philadelphia, Recchi 53 (Lindros, Brind'Amour), 19:59.8 (pp)
Penalties - Verbeek, Har (holding), :55; Carkner, Phi (roughing), 13:53; Houda,
Har (interference) 18:43
Second Period:
Hartford, Burt 6 (Cunneyworth, Kron), 2:00
Philadelphia, Bowen 1 (Eklund, Recchi), 7:09
Hartford, Nylander 11 (Zalapski, Sanderson), 9:38
Penalties - Galley, Phi, major-game misconduct (spearing) :58; Verbeek, Har
major-game misconduct (spearing), :58; Brown, Phi (tripping), 3:22; Zalapski,
Har (tripping), 15:51; Brind'Amour, Phi (slashing), 19:50
Third Period:
Hartford, Kron 14 (Sanderson, Cassels), 1:24 (pp)
Philadelphia, Beranek 15 (Lomakin, Yushkevich), 3:11
Philadelphia, Faust 2 (Brind'Amour, Roussel), 3:38
Penalties - Houda, Har (tripping), 4:20; Hawgood, Phi (holding), 5:30
Overtime:
Philadelphia, Yushkevich 5 (Faust), 1:15.
Penalties - None
Power Play:
Philadelphia 1 of 4, Hartford 1 of 4
Goalies:
Philadelphia, Roussel 14-11-5 (30 shots - 26 saves)
Hartford, Lenarduzzi, 1-1-1 (38 - 33)
On the first Hartford goal, Gord Hynes misplayed the puck at the FLYERS blue
line and Nylander stripped him and took off.
The Recchi goal was a 2 on 1 with Lindros.
The Bowen goal was just a puck he threw at the net, got a good carom and it
ended up behind the goalie.
On the second Nylander goal he got three whacks at the puck before it went in.
This is the most frustrating part of the FLYERS defense. Take the body, and if
they get one shot and beat you fine. Don't give them another chance. Carkner,
Galley and McGill are all terrible about this, I'll bet money at least one of
them was the closest FLYER to the play.
That's all I have, my radio got bad after that and I was lucky to know who it
was that scored, much less how.
From what I heard, Roussel had a very strong game. After the game, Gene Hart
asked Bobby Taylor to pick the three stars of the season rather than of the
game. It was Garry Galley #3 for his career high point total (I'm surprised
that a former goalie wouldn't look closer at his defensive play), Tommy
Soderstrom #2 for his team record tying 5 shutouts in only about 1/2 a season
and, Mark Recchi #1 for his all time high team single season scoring mark.
But here's the odd part. He couldn't decide between Lindros and Recchi for
number 1. If he picks Recchi as #1 after he had a hard time choosing between
him and Lindros, doesn't that make Lindros #2????
What? You wanna know my three stars of the season? Well, since you asked...
#1 Eric Lindros. Eric dominates a game simply by stepping out onto the ice.
The difference between the team's record with him and without him is no
accident. I believe that the team could have been almost as successful without
Recchi. There is no question that this team is significantly better with Eric
Lindros on it, and I think that he will deservedly wear the 'C' on his jersey
next season.
#2 Tommy Soderstrom. 5 shutouts was second in the league to only Ed Belfour,
and Tommy didn't have a Chris Chelios (booo) in front of him. He also didn't
play a complete season due to heart problems (sentimental edge here, my family
has a history of heart problems). There's no question in my mind that Tommy
Soderstrom is this teams goalie of the future, and if Roussel complains again
about being number 2 look for him to be traded within 2 years.
#3 Mark Recchi. Again, you can't argue with an all-time team high single season
scoring mark. There are an awful lot of teams that didn't have a single player
get as many points. Plus, Mark is the only FLYER to play the entire season.
Not a tough choice.
Honorable mentions: Rod Brind'Amour topped his single season high point total
which he set last year. The difference was that he wasn't on the top line
this year and didn't get as much playing time. Then again, he didn't get the
defensive attention that he got last year from the other team either.
Dimtri Yushkevich was the teams most consistent defenseman. Yes, he made rookie
mistakes, but he was usually fast enough to make up for them. I have a feeling
that with his shot he'll score a few more points next year without giving up
anything in his own zone, and I suspect that he'll be the teams top defenseman
in years to come.
Garry Galley was the team's point leader from defensemen. Again, there are some
things you just can't argue with. And he battled with chronic fatigue syndrome,
he certainly deserves kudos for only missing one game, and that was against his
wishes under doctors orders. But his defensive play often negates his offensive
contribution. A little more caution, and a little bit smarter in his own end
will make him a much more important part of the team next year.
Brent Fedyk was the leagues biggest improvement over last years point total.
But consistency became a problem for him.
A couple misc notes mostly for mailing list members:
Tom Misnik, a member of the mailing list, would like to exchange E-mail
addresses with any list members who want to keep in touch over the summer.
If you're interested, you can send him mail at:
att!ACR.ORG!TMISNIK
The FLYERS end the season 1 game below .500 in 5th place, their best winning
percentage since going .500 in 1988-89. 14-20-3 within the division (4th in
Patrick), 23-14-5 at home. They finished 17th overall, will draft 10th in
next years entry draft (Quebec had the 1st rounder, though). They scored as
many goals as they allowed, 319.
The 8 straight wins is the most since they won 13 in a row in 1985.
I will be sending out final stats as soon as I get the issue of the Hockey
News that contains them, since there are no more games for me to go to I have
no other way of getting them.
I hope you've all enjoyed this years hockey season as much as I have. Knowing
the future that we have coming to us made missing the playoffs one more time
almost bearable.
FLYERS team record watch:
Eric Lindros:
41 goals, 34 assists, 75 points
(rookie records)
club record goals: club record points:
Eric Lindros 40 1992-93 Dave Poulin 76 1983-84
Brian Propp 34 1979-80 Brian Propp 75 1979-80
Ron Flockhart 33 1981-82 Eric Lindros 75 1992-93
Dave Poulin 31 1983-84 Ron Flockhart 72 1981-82
Bill Barber 30 1972-73 Pelle Eklund 66 1985-86
Mark Recchi:
53 goals, 70 assists, 123 points.
club record goals: club record points:
Reggie Leach 61 1975-76 Mark Recchi 123 1992-93*
Tim Kerr 58 1985-86,86-87 Bobby Clarke 119 1975-76
Tim Kerr 54 1983-84,84-85 Bobby Clarke 116 1974-75
Mark Recchi 53 1992-93* Bill Barber 112 1975-76
Rick Macliesh 50 1972-73 Bobby Clarke 104 1972-73
Bill Barber 50 1975-76 Rick Macliesh 100 1972-73
Reggie Leach 50 1979-80
*More than 80 games.
FLYERS career years:
Player Points Best Prior Season
Mark Recchi 123 113 (90-91 Penguins)
Rod Brind'Amour 86 77 (91-92 FLYERS)
Garry Galley 62 38 (84-85 Kings)
Brent Fedyk 59 35 (90-91 Red Wings)
That's all for now...
pete clark jr - rsh FLYERS contact and mailing list owner
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From: reedr@cgsvax.claremont.edu
Subject: Re: DID HE REALLY RISE???
Organization: The Claremont Graduate School
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In article <Apr.13.00.08.56.1993.28439@athos.rutgers.edu>, eggertj@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41) writes:
> I disagree with your claim that Jews were not evangelistic (except in
> the narrow sense of the word). Jewish proselytism was widespread.
> There are numerous accounts of Jewish proselytism, both in the New
> Testament and in Roman and Greek documents of the day.
Jim,
Please feel free to correct me and give me some texts. As far as I can see the
only text which vaugely relates to jewish evangelism is found in Mt. 23:15.
However since this is found only in Mt. it cannot be dated before 90CE which
makes it unusefull for understanding Second Temple Judaism.
randy
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From: rjc@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Ray)
Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more.
Distribution: na
Organization: /etc/organization
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In article <C5pGFu.IA4@dscomsa.desy.de> hallam@zeus02.desy.de writes:
>views would be to recruit them as spooks. They can be guaranteed to give
>the government line when it counts. In US history it has been the
>socialists such as myself who have been persecuted.
And in Russia, capitalists were persecuted for trading goods on the
black market. And in the US, capitalist minded types are imprisoned and killed
for things such as selling drugs, guns, pornography, and other victimless
activities. It doesn't matter whether you are socialist or capitalist,
power and control are central to government. Since citizens can't be trusted to
run their own affairs, the government must watch them. (for their
own good of course. I mean, with strong cryptography, citizens might <gasp!>
start to hide things from the IRS, sell drugs/guns/pornography, and
that cannot be allowed!)
>trials. Ever seen Ed Meese pissed? I have, it was when he said that socialism
>and communism were the same thing and brought the house down with laughter.
>It took several minutes before we realised that he was serious.
Not very surprising to anyone who believes in "hands off" government. If
you believe that your private life (both social and financial) are none of
anyone else's business, the difference between socialism and communism is
like the difference between murder by lethal injection or by
chainsaw. The more centralized the economy is, the more potential
abuses for accumulation of information on individuals. If you think
credit companies are bad, ... Well, I'm sure a democratic socialist society
would vote for absolute privacy of all citizens -- NOT!
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