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From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Subject: Re: migraine and exercise
Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science
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In article <C4Iozx.7wx@world.std.com> rsilver@world.std.com (Richard Silver) writes:
>I have two questions. Is there any obvious connection between the
>flushed appearance and the migraine? Was I foolish to play through
>the migraine (aside from the visual disturbance affecting my play)?
>I just prefer to ignore it when possible.
>
The flushing is due to vascular dilation, part of a migraine attack.
Some people event get puffy and swollen. As long as you are careful
you can see well enough to avoid getting hit in the face or eye by
the ball, migraine will not hurt your health.
--
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From: aidler@sol.uvic.ca (E Alan Idler)
Subject: Re: Mormon Temples
Organization: University of Victoria
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mserv@mozart.cc.iup.edu (Mail Server) writes:
>saw8712@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Steve A. Ward) writes:
>>dan@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>[Dan's question about Mormon Temple rituals deleted for brevity]
>>
>>Just thought I would interject this, and I believe you Dan when you say
>>that you don't mean to offend: For us LDS temple goers, the temple
>>ceremonies are very sacred. So much so that anyone who goes there
>>promises never to divulge them. So how much can you trust someone
>>who is telling you about the cerermony?
>One thing I don't understand is why being sacred should make the
>temple rituals secret. There are lots of sacred things in
>Christianity, including the Sacred Scriptures themselves, but there is
>nothing secret about these things.
Is it appropriate for the Lord not to reveal certain
things before the world (i.e., publish them widely)?
These things sacred to Himself. He may place any
pre- or post-conditions He feels are necessary.
Moreover, there are precedents in scripture where
knowledge of sacred things is withheld:
1. After the Transfiguration Jesus instructed
Peter, James, and John to "tell the vision to no
man, until the Son of man be risen again from
the dead" (Matt. 17:9).
If we were living at the time of Savior, there
would be no (public) record of this event.
2. A faithful friend of Paul experiences a vision
of "paradise" when he "heard unspeakable words,
which it is not lawful for a man to utter"
(2 Cor. 12:4).
This person heard something which Paul can not
write to the Corinthians (and us).
3. There is an incident recorded in the Book of
Mormon where words uttered by "babes" were
"forbidden that there should not any man write
them (3 Nephi 26:16, the entire text follows
for those of you without access to the BOM).
3 Nephi 26:16
Behold, it came to pass on the morrow that the
multitude gathered themselves together, and they
both saw and heard these children; yea, even
babes did open their mouths and utter marvelous
things; and the things which they did utter were
forbidden that there should not any man write them.
Some LDS scholars speculate that these words
which could not be written are the sacred
portions from temple we are to withhold from
the world (but it could be something else).
>I
>can understand why Mormons would limit temple access to only faithful
>Mormons, but I have never understood the emphasis on shrouding temple
>ritual in mystery.
There is much we can discuss about the temple
ordinances. We can discuss regarding baptisms
and other vicarious ordinances for the dead.
We can discuss certain concepts regarding the
endowment ("the ritual").
However, there are certain elements I can not
discuss with anyone (including other saints)
outside of the temple.
As a portion of the endowment, we receive the
tokens and signs that will permit us access
to Heaven. I must keep this knowledge sacred
and respect the conditions under which it is
revealed to me.
A IDLER
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From: casper@vxcrna.cern.ch (CASPER,DAVI./PPE)
Subject: Re: American Jewish Congress Open Letter to Clinton
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN
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In article <C5vBnv.CJ@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>, arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes...
>In article <22APR199300374349@vxcrna.cern.ch> casper@vxcrna.cern.ch (CASPER,DAVI./PPE) writes:
>> [I complained about the US taking the point in Bosnia, when the Europeans
>> should be doing it]
> [Ken says the Bosnians are morally superior to the Serbians...]
>This implies both sides are equal. True, it may sometimes be difficult or
>impossible to determine which side is the victim, but that does not mean that
>victims do not exist.
Yes, victims exist. There are a staggering number of victims in the world and
more each day. I think on balance, intervention would create more victims,
including American ones. Since the first responsibility of the US government
is to protect Americans, I think they serve that role best by staying away
from Bosnia and other regional conflicts.
>Would you, in WWII have said that there were atrocities
>on the sides of both the Jews and the Germans?
Of course not. The Jews were not trying to carve a territory out of Germany
either, and except for small-scale resistance and a few larger uprisings, did
not have an army or a government.
>>These people have been butchering each other for centuries. When one
>>side wins and gets what it wants, it will stop.
>
>Yes, but both sides want different things. The Muslims chiefly want to not
>be "ethnic cleansed". The Serbians want to "ethnic cleanse" the Muslims. It
>is indeed true that each side will stop when it gets what it wants, but the
>things that the two sides want are not equivalent.
I see the pattern of atrocities as a fairly often practiced tactic of a
colonizing power - driving away and/or eliminating the population of an
area they want to control. The US tried basically that in Vietnam, the Iraqis
in Kuwait, the Israelis in Palestine, South Africa, etc, etc, etc. It sucks,
it's ugly, and it's saddening. But it is not genocide.
It is not my impression that the Serbs want to eliminate every Muslim in
Yugoslavia. I still say the Bosnians are getting their asses kicked; they
should surrender and evacuate the areas they can't hold.
> [I said the fixation on Bosnia is due to it being in a European country,
> rather than the third world]
>
>I recall, before we did anything for Somalia, (apparent) left-wingers saying
>that the reason everyone was more willing to send troops to Bosnia than to
>Somalia was because the Somalis are third-worlders who Americans consider
>unworthy of help. They suddenly shut up when the US decided to send troops to
>the opposite place than that predicted by the theory.
I am a staunch Republican, BTW. The irony of arguing against military
intervention with arguments based on Vietnam has not escaped me. I was opposed
to US intervention in Somalia for the same reasons, although clearly it was
not nearly as risky.
>For that matter, this theory of yours suggests that Americans should want to
>help the Serbs. After all, they're Christian, and the Muslims are not. If
>the desire to intervene in Bosnia is based on racism against people that are
>less like us, why does everyone _want_ to help the side that _is_ less like us?
>Especially if both of the sides are equal as you seem to think?
Well, one thing you have to remember is, the press likes a good story. Good
for business, don't you know. And BTW, not "everyone" wants to help the
side that is less like us.
I never said the two sides were morally equivalent, I said neither one is
innocent.
There are just too many good reasons to stay away:
1) The Europeans are perfectly able to deal with this dispute on their borders
in any way we do it. Put another way, we have no assistance to offer the
Europeans which they do not already possess themselves. It is not good to
promote the idea in anyone's mind that the United States is responsible
for cleaning up every bloody mess in the world.
2) Clinton is not the man to lead this country into a military adventure. Full
stop.
3) It is by no means clear what intervention would accomplish, nor that it
would necessarily help the victims. It is not clear what the goal is and
at what point any commitment could be ended.
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From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Subject: Re: EIGHT MYTHS about National Health Insurance (Pt II)
Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: PhDs In The Hall
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v140pxgt@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Daniel B Case) writes:
>gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes...
>>The difference in the litigation environment is reflected in the fees.
>>
>>Lack of defensive medicine and near-absence of malpractice is really
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>why we spend less using the most expensive approach of pure insurance
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>And maybe that's not such a good thing. I also read somewhere that
>it is next to impossible in Canada to litigate against the health
>system-class action suits are nearly impossible, and you can't sue
>the provincial health officials at all.
Since our doctors are private and the "system" is just an insurance
plan, litigation would not involve the insurance fund. Our lawyers
do not work on contingency, so that if you were to sue for malpractice
then you'd better be sure of winning to cover your fees ... likewise,
if you were a doctor and subject of a suit, it's time to sweat.
>>Since the provincial wings of the CMA are the ones that go to bat when
>>the fee schedule hikes are presented, the politically-bent doctors
>>were just cackling when they realized the CMA would grow in strength
>>rather than diminish, especially when unopposed unlike in socialized
>>medicine approaches like Britain's National Health Service.
>
>Oh no. Don't let the AMA know about this. They have enough power as it
>is. Ask most Americans whether they'd like the doctors' lobby to get
>more powerful.
A few weeks ago, the president of the Canadian MA wrote a letter to
the NYT to decry a lobbyist's advert repeating the same old trash.
This is significant because the AMA and the CMA are interlinked
organizations and he would not have done it without the approval
of his AMA cronies.
>Well, yeah, tell us about the National Defense Medical Centre outside
>Ottawa. Theoretically it's limited to service personnel, but some
>studies I've heard about have suggested that about half the patients
>there are civilians who not only have connections but aren't "urgent"
>at all.
It serves the same purpose as the Bethesda Naval Hospital ... since
not all hospitals can provide everything, maybe they have some stuff
that others don't? (Ottawa's population is only a quarter million,
if you include the surrounding counties.)
>The problem is, in a system where hospitals' annual budgets are
>>approved by the government, how do you keep political considerations
>out of medical decisions? I bet that if you're an MP or MPP, or good
>friends with one, you're put on any hospital's "urgent" care list no
>matter how minor your problem. Which is OK unless you're someone who
>gets bumped off the list for some bigshot.
People of influence will get their way in any system, American or
European. It's the "Golden Rule" - he who has the gold makes the
rules. (-;
As for annual budgets, those are actually annual grants for facilities
(e.g., mops, pans, etc.) given to hospitals of which most are private
nonprofit foundations (btw, I have no problem with having aggressive
for-profit hospitals like the French, who use our approach ... but in
the Paris region they have almost as many people as Canada does so
their market is much more diverse). The rest has to be made up for
by billings from patients who use their services.
>>>WOULDN'T NATIONAL HEALTH INSURANCE MEAN THAT AMERICANS WHO ARE NOW
>>>FULLY INSURED MIGHT HAVE TO SETTLE FOR LESS?
>>>
>>>In Canada, provincial insurance covers all health costs except dental
>>>care, eyeglasses, prescription drugs, ambulance service, and private
>>>hospital rooms, -- so many Canadians do end up buying some private
>>>insurance. A policy to cover all of these things runs about #40 to $40
>>>a month.
>
>Hmm. How much difference would it make in the figure of percentage
>of GNP spent on health care if dentistry and optometry were included
>in the accounting? Maybe Canada spends proportionately just as much
>on health care as we do.
The GDP figures are combined public and private expenditures for total
outlay, and are compiled use the same methods by the OECD that yield
the 13-14% figure for the U.S.
>So what happens if the health care systems financially collapse.
How? They are collecting premiums ... and I'm an advocate of having
copayments like the French do in their system in order to make it look
more like the real insurance that it is. The private doctors and
hospitals will still be there after the insurance (hypothically)
disappears, as they were there before it appeared.
>Bob Rae, the second least popular man in Ontario, warned Ontarians a
>few years ago that if they didn't stop cross-border shopping in such
>huge numbers, "the services they expect from the province just won't
>be there in a few years"
For one thing, I think that Bob Rae is an idiot ...
>He didn't say so, but I knew he meant the OHIP.
Most of OHIP comes from separate premiums on your paycheck if you are
a player ... he wants to spend our money on other things than the
health insurance. Our high taxes are high for other spending but
health insurance, which is separate and optional, and it is being
spent in a nonpartisan manner by every party. )-;
OHIP is just a health insurance plan; it does not provide any kind
of health care, that is up to you and your private doctors.
>Would the private insurers take up the slack? They'd be under no
>obligation to. Of course, they could eventually make money again,
>but if what you say is true, they'd be loathe to do so (and out of
>practice in handling such basic services, too).
Some of the companies providing extra insurance are subsidiaries of
American companies, and their parents provide full insurance down
here. Regardless, all firms up north can easily turn on cable TV
to see how well the American firms are doing by being involved in
basic coverage. The private firms are making too much money after
having gotten rid of basic coverage. They run around patting them-
selves on the back for their own cooperation in providing extras
for those people who "deserve it".
>>When private insurance realized how much money they'd make without the
>>risks involved in basic insurance (e.g., neurosurgery) versus deluxe
>>amenities (e.g., having to call Granada TV to replace a rental set on
>>the fritz in someone's private hospital room), they started to pat
>>themselves on the back for their social responsibility. In Quebec
>>last spring, a consortium of private insurers publicly warned against
>>any thoughts of privatizing routine, low cost parts of that province's
>>public health insurance plan.
>
>Again, I doubt Americans would like giving the insurance companies that
>much power. I half wonder if the Canadian health insurers didn't go
>along with the provinces and the federal government years ago because
>they knew that there was a good chance of the public system going bust
>in the long run, and then afterwards they could clean up (Okay, this
>sort of contradicts what I said higher up. But it's another possibility).
>They'd have an added bonus when arguing against government
>involvement in their industry-as they could then point to its failure
>instead of just citing theoretical principles.
I agree ... they were in a win-win situation. But right now, it seems
that they have won bigger, when you look at how full their coffers
are. Friends from my sisters' MBA class were still being flown out
for job interviews individually with insurance firms in London, ON,
(Canada's insurance capitol a la Hartford) along with generous expense
privileges this year despite the ongoing post-recession blues.
gld
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Gary L. Dare
> gld@columbia.EDU GO Winnipeg Jets GO!!!
> gld@cunixc.BITNET Selanne + Domi ==> Stanley
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From: dla@se05.wg2.waii.com (Doug Acker)
Subject: Re: build X11R5 with xlc 1.2.1 (Aix 3.2.3e)
Organization: western geophysical exploration products
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NNTP-Posting-Host: se05.wg2.waii.com
In-reply-to: dla@se05.wg2.waii.com's message of 22 Apr 1993 01:02:41 GMT
>>>>> On 22 Apr 1993 01:02:41 GMT, dla@se05.wg2.waii.com (Doug Acker) said:
Doug> NNTP-Posting-Host: se05.wg2.waii.com
>>>>> On 21 Apr 1993 03:49:16 GMT, dla@se05.wg2.waii.com (Doug Acker) said:
Doug> NNTP-Posting-Host: se05.wg2.waii.com
Doug> I am having a big problem trying to build MIT X11R5 with xlc 1.2.1
Doug> (the one bundled with AIX 3.2.3e). Its almost the linker is not
Doug> working properly with shared libraries.
Doug> I've built X11R5 with no problem before .. but now its all headaches.
Doug> For example, the xset client complains that libXmu doesnt have a bunch
Doug> of Xt routines and shr.o is missing (or something like that). The
Doug> build of libXmu DOES link in libXt so I am really perplexed what is
Doug> going on.
Doug> ....following up on this, the specific error I get is:
Doug> Could not load program ./xset
Doug> Symbol XtVaSetValues in ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.a is undefined
Doug> Symbol XtName in ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.a is undefined
Doug> Symbol XtWindowOfObject in ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.a is undefined
Doug> Symbol XtGetConstraintResourceList in ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.a is undefined
Doug> Symbol XtDisplayToApplicationContext in ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.a is undefined
Doug> Symbol XtAppSetTypeConverter in ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.a is undefined
Doug> Symbol XtScreenDatabase in ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.a is undefined
Doug> Symbol XtResolvePathname in ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.a is undefined
Doug> Symbol XtCvtStringToFont in ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.a is undefined
Doug> Symbol XtCallConverter in ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.a is undefined
Doug> Symbol XtDisplayStringConversionWarning in ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.a is undefined
Doug> Could not load library libXmu.a[shr.o]
Doug> Error was: Exec format error
.... a search on IBMLINK revealed that this is similar to IX33890
(howervre this was closed USE).
--
Douglas L.Acker Western Geophysical Exploration Products
____ ____ ____ a division of Western Atlas International Inc.
\ \ / /\ / /\ A Litton / Dresser Company
\ \/ / \ / / \ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
\ / / \ / /\ \ Internet : acker@wg2.waii.com
\/___/ \/___/ \___\ Voice : (713) 964-6128
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From: cpr@igc.apc.org (Center for Policy Research)
Subject: Re: From Israeli press. Madness.
Lines: 8
Nf-ID: #R:cdp:1483500342:cdp:1483500347:000:151
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cpr Apr 17 15:37:00 1993
Before getting excited and implying that I am posting
fabrications, I would suggest the readers to consult the
newspaper in question.
Tahnks,
Elias
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From: thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Hate Crimes Laws
Article-I.D.: midway.1993Apr6.043935.27366
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Lines: 40
In article <1993Apr5.050127.22304@news.acns.nwu.edu> dmeier@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Douglas Meier) writes:
>In article <1993Apr4.011042.24938@isc-br.isc-br.com> steveh@thor.isc-br.com
>(Steve Hendricks) writes:
>>In article <1993Apr3.211910.21908@news.acns.nwu.edu>
>>dmeier@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Douglas Meier) writes:
>>>...
>>>If someone beats up a homosexual, he should get charged for assault and
>>>battery. Why must we add gay bashing to the list? Isn't this a sort of
>>>double jeopardy? Or am I just being a fascist again?
>>
>>() To deter an epidemic of "gay bashing" that has not been deterred by
>> assault laws.
>
>So we ought to make beating up a homosexual more illegal than beating up a
>straight?
And who's advocating that? Hate crimes laws are aimed at the motivations
of the acts. Just like premeditated homicide is treated stricter than
heat-of-passion homicide.
>>() No, it is not "double jeopardy." A single act may lead to multiple
>> charges and multiple crimes.
>
>I think what you meant to say here was, "With the current mutation of the US
>Constitution under the current police state, someone may be charged multiple
>times for one act if the victim in question is of the right shade." A single
>act should never merit more than on charge.
So if I set off a bomb in the World Trade Center, I can only be charged with
more than one murder, and not the other five deaths and extensive property
damage? After all, the bomb was a single act.
>Douglas C. Meier | You can't play Electro-magnetic Golf
--
ted frank | "However Teel should have mentioned that though
thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu | his advice is legally sound, if you follow it
the u of c law school | you will probably wind up in jail."
standard disclaimers | -- James Donald, in misc.legal
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From: merlyn@digibd.digibd.com (Merlyn LeRoy)
Subject: Re: 14 Apr 93 God's Promise in 1 John 1: 7
Nntp-Posting-Host: digibd.digibd.com
Organization: DigiBoard, Incorporated, Eden Prairie,MN
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brian@lpl.arizona.edu (Brian Ceccarelli 602/621-9615) writes:
>In article <bskendigC5Ku3C.6Dx@netcom.com> bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) writes:
>>I've asked your god several times with all my heart to come to me...
>Brian K., I am pleased with your honesty. And to be honest as well, I
>believe you have not asked my god to come to you. Why do I say this?
Because that would contradict your religious beliefs; therefore,
you feel more comfortable simply accusing his sincerity, so you will
not have to critically examine your religious beliefs.
---
Merlyn LeRoy
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From: brown@NCoast.ORG (Stan Brown)
Subject: Re: Program manager ** two questions
Organization: Oak Road Systems, Cleveland Ohio USA
Lines: 25
In article <1993Apr22.204406.20330@vpnet.chi.il.us> lisbon@vpnet.chi.il.us (Gerry Swetsky) writes:
>
>(1) Is it possible to change the icons in the program groups? I'd like
> to give them some individuality.
Do you mean the icons _of_ the program groups, or the icons of the
individual programs _in_ the program groups? I assume you mean the
latter, and the answer is: sure you can. Just click once (not double)
on the application icon, then Alt-F P (File | Properties). Click on the
Change Icon box and tell it the icon filename. Or use the Browse
sub-selection.
>(2) Can you set up a short-cut key to return to the Program Manager?
> I know <CTL><ESC>, <ESC> will do it, but I'd rather set it up so I
> can avoid the task list and get back to the P/M with <ALT><F1>.
I use Alt-Tab. Hold the Alt key and repeatedly press Tab until you see
Program Mangler up. Then release the Alt key.
--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems brown@Ncoast.ORG
English is my native language and I love it. But don't try to tell me
that it's easy to learn or that it makes sense. If it were, "baseline"
would rhyme with "vaseline".
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From: jeffh@ludwig.cc.uoregon.edu (Jeff Hite )
Subject: Re: Monitor Shut-down on 13" Hi-Res
Organization: University of Oregon Network Services
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NNTP-Posting-Host: ludwig.cc.uoregon.edu
In article <1993Apr15.183527.3365@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu>
hew@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu writes:
> THere is a defect in the 13" hi-res monitors, bring it to a dealer and
> they will replace the flyback for free, I think.
>
>
> I just heard of this problem at work today and we are fixing
> them for free.
>
>
> ________________
> - / o r r
The service notice on the 13" hi-res monitors expired 3/23/93 after this
date Apple will NOT reimburse service providers for the fix (replacement
of the hi-voltage capacitor). All you folks that have been putting up with
intermittant shutdowns without getting it to your service provider missed
out on the freebie. It was in force for a year. If you got it free after
3/23, you got a deal...
Jeff Hite
Computing Center
U of Oregon
jeffh@ludwig.cc.uoregon.edu
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From: shavlik@cs.wisc.edu (Jude Shavlik)
Subject: Program & Reg Forms: 1st Int Conf on Intell Sys for Molecular Biology
Keywords: computational biology, artificial intelligence
Organization: U of Wisconsin CS Dept
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[For those attending the AAAI conf this summer, note that
this conference is immediately preceding it.]
PRELIMINARY PROGRAM AND REGISTRATION MATERIALS
First International Conference on
Intelligent Systems for Molecular Biology
Washington, D.C.
July 6-9, 1993
Sponsored by:
The National Institutes of Health,
National Library of Medicine
The Department of Energy,
Office of Health and Environmental Research
The Biomatrix Society
The American Association for Artificial Intelligence (AAAI)
Poster Session and Tutorials:
Bethesda Ramada Hotel
Technical Sessions:
Lister Hill Center Auditorium, National Library of Medicine
For more information contact ISMB@nlm.nih.gov or FAX (608)262-9777
PURPOSE
This, the First International Conference on Intelligent Systems
for Molecular Biology, is the inaugural meeting in a series
intended to bring together scientists who are applying the
technologies of artificial intelligence, robotics, machine
learning, massively parallel computing, advanced data modelling,
and related methods to problems in molecular biology. The scope
extends to any computational or robotic system supporting a
biological task that is cognitively challenging, involves a
synthesis of information from multiple sources at multiple levels,
or in some other way exhibits the abstraction and emergent
properties of an "intelligent system."
FACILITIES
The conference will be held at
Lister Hill Center
National Library of Medicine
8600 Rockville Pike
NIH, Building 38A
Bethesda MD 20894
Seating in the conference center is strictly limited, so
registrations will be accepted on a first-come, first-serve basis.
Accomodations, as well as a reception and poster session, will be
at the
Bethesda Ramada Hotel
8400 Wisconsin Avenue
Bethesda MD 20814
A special room rate has been negotiated with the hotel, of $92/day
(expires 6/21). Attendees must make their own reservations, by
writing the hotel or calling (800)331-5252 and mentioning the
ISMB conference. To participate in a roommate-matching service,
e-mail opitz@cs.wisc.edu.
TRANSPORTATION
The two facilities are within easy walking distance, convenient to
the subway (Metro Red Line, Medical Center stop), and from there
to the Amtrak station. Nearby airports include Dulles, National,
and Baltimore-Washington International.
PROCEEDINGS
Full-length papers from both talks and posters will be published in
archival proceedings. The citation is:
Proceedings of the First International
Conference on Intelligent Systems for
Molecular Biology (eds. L. Hunter,
D. Searls, and J. Shavlik) AAAI/MIT
Press, Menlo Park CA, 1993.
Copies will be distributed at the conference to registered
attendees, and will be available for purchase from the publisher
afterwards.
TALKS
Wednesday, July 7, 1993
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8:00-9:00am Continental Breakfast
9:00-9:15am Opening Remarks
9:15-10:30am Invited Talk
"Statistics, Protein Cores, and Predicted Structures"
Prof. Temple Smith (Boston University)
10:30-11:00am Break
11:00am "Constructive Induction and Protein Structure Prediction"
T.R. Ioerger, L. Rendell, & S. Surbramaniam
11:30am "Protein Secondary-Structure Modeling with Probabilistic
Networks" A.L. Delcher, S. Kasif, H.R. Goldberg, & W. Hsu
12:00-1:30pm Lunch
1:30pm "Protein Secondary Structure using Two-Level Case-Based
Reasoning" B. Leng, B.G. Buchanan, & H.B. Nicholas
2:00pm "Automatic Derivation of Substructures Yields Novel
Structural Building Blocks in Globular Proteins"
X. Zhang, J.S. Fetrow, W.A. Rennie, D.L. Waltz, & G. Berg
2:30pm "Using Dirichlet Mixture Priors to Derive Hidden Markov
Models for Protein Families" M. Brown, R. Hughey, A. Krogh,
I.S. Mian, K. Sjolander, & D. Haussler
3:00-3:30pm Break
3:30pm "Protein Classification using Neural Networks"
E.A. Ferran, B. Pflugfelder, & P. Ferrara
4:00pm "Neural Networks for Molecular Sequence Classification"
C. Wu, M. Berry, Y-S. Fung, & J. McLarty
4:30pm "Computationally Efficient Cluster Representation in
Molecular Sequence Megaclassification" D.J. States, N. Harris,
& L. Hunter
7:00-7:30pm Poster Setup
7:30-10:00pm Reception & Poster Session
Thursday, July 8, 1993
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8:00-9:00am Continental Breakfast
9:00-10:15am Invited Talk
"Large-Scale DNA Sequencing: A Tale of Mice and Men"
Prof. Leroy Hood (University of Washington)
10:15-10:45am Break
10:45am "Pattern Recognition for Automated DNA Sequencing:
I. On-Line Signal Conditioning and Feature Extraction for
Basecalling" J.B. Bolden III, D. Torgersen, & C. Tibbetts
11:15am "Genetic Algorithms for Sequence Assembly"
R. Parsons, S. Forrest, & C. Burks
11:45am "A Partial Digest Approach to Restriction Site Mapping"
S.S. Skiena & G. Sundaram
12:15-2:00pm Lunch
2:00pm "Integrating Order and Distance Relationships from
Heterogeneous Maps" M. Graves
2:30pm "Discovering Sequence Similarity by the Algorithmic
Significance Method" A. Milosavljevic
3:00pm "Identification of Human Gene Functional Regions Based on
Oligonucleotide Composition" V.V. Solovyev & C.B. Lawrence
3:30pm "Knowledge Discovery in GENBANK"
J.S. Aaronson, J. Haas, & G.C. Overton
4:00-4:30pm Break
4:30pm "An Expert System to Generate Machine Learning
Experiments: Learning with DNA Crystallography Data"
D. Cohen, C. Kulikowski, & H. Berman
5:00pm "Detection of Correlations in tRNA Sequences with
Structural Implications" T.M. Klingler & D. Brutlag
5:30pm "Probabilistic Structure Calculations: A Three-
Dimensional tRNA Structure from Sequence Correlation Data"
R.B. Altman
Friday, July 9, 1993
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8:00-9:00am Continental Breakfast
9:00-10:15am Invited Talk
"Artificial Intelligence and a Grand Unified Theory of
Biochemistry" Prof. Harold Morowitz (George Mason University)
10:15-10:45am Break
10:45am "Testing HIV Molecular Biology in in silico Physiologies"
H.B. Sieburg & C. Baray
11:15am "Identification of Localized and Distributed Bottlenecks
in Metabolic Pathways" M.L. Mavrovouniotis
11:45am "Fine-Grain Databases for Pattern Discovery in Gene
Regulation" S.M. Veretnik & B.R. Schatz
12:15-2:00pm Lunch
2:00pm "Representation for Discovery of Protein Motifs"
D. Conklin, S. Fortier, & J. Glasgow
2:30pm "Finding Relevant Biomolecular Features"
L. Hunter & T. Klein
3:00pm "Database Techniques for Biological Materials and
Methods" K. Baclawski, R. Futrelle, N. Fridman,
& M.J. Pescitelli
3:30pm "A Multi-Level Description Scheme of Protein
Conformation" K. Onizuka, K. Asai, M. Ishikawa, & S.T.C. Wong
4:00-4:30pm Break
4:30pm "Protein Topology Prediction through Parallel Constraint
Logic Programming" D.A. Clark, C.J. Rawlings, J. Shirazi,
A. Veron, & M. Reeve
5:30pm "A Constraint Reasoning System for Automating Sequence-
Specific Resonance Assignments in Multidimensional Protein
NMR Spectra" D. Zimmerman, C. Kulikowski, & G.T. Montelione
5:30-5:45pm Closing Remarks
POSTER SESSION
The following posters will be on display at the Bethesda Ramada
Hotel from 7:30-10:00pm, Wednesday, July 7.
[1] "The Induction of Rules for Predicting Chemical
Carcinogenesis in Rodents" D. Bahler & D. Bristol
[2] "SENEX: A CLOS/CLIM Application for Molecular Pathology"
S.S. Ball & V.H. Mah
[3] "FLASH: A Fast Look-Up Algorithm for String Homology"
A. Califano & I. Rigoutsos
[4] "Toward Multi-Strategy Parallel Learning in Sequence
Analysis" P.K. Chan & S.J. Stolfo
[5] "Protein Structure Prediction: Selecting Salient Features
from Large Candidate Pools" K.J. Cherkauer & J.W. Shavlik
[6] "Comparison of Two Approaches to the Prediction of Protein
Folding Patterns" I. Dubchak, S.R. Holbrook, & S.-H. Kim
[7] "A Modular Learning Environment for Protein Modeling"
J. Gracy, L. Chiche & J. Sallantin
[8] "Inference of Order in Genetic Systems"
J.N. Guidi & T.H. Roderick
[9] "PALM - A Pattern Language for Molecular Biology"
C. Helgesen & P.R. Sibbald
[10] "Grammatical Formalization of Metabolic Processes"
R. Hofestedt
[11] "Representations of Metabolic Knowledge"
P.D. Karp & M. Riley
[12] "Protein Sequencing Experiment Planning Using Analogy"
B. Kettler & L. Darden
[13] "Design of an Object-Oriented Database for Reverse Genetics"
K.J. Kochut, J. Arnold, J.A. Miller, & W.D. Potter
[14] "A Small Automaton for Word Recognition in DNA Sequences"
C. Lefevre & J.-E Ikeda
[15] "MultiMap: An Expert System for Automated Genetic Linkage
Mapping" T.C. Matise, M. Perlin & A. Chakravarti
[16] "Constructing a Distributed Object-Oriented System with
Logical Constraints for Fluorescence-Activated Cell Sorting"
T. Matsushima
[17] "Prediction of Primate Splice Junction Gene Sequences with
a Cooperative Knowledge Acquisition System"
E.M. Nguifo & J. Sallantin
[18] "Object-Oriented Knowledge Bases for the Analysis of
Prokaryotic and Eukaryotic Genomes"
G. Perriere, F. Dorkeld, F. Rechenmann, & C. Gautier
[19] "Petri Net Representations in Metabolic Pathways"
V.N. Reddy, M.L. Mavrovouniotis, & M.L. Liebman
[20] "Minimizing Complexity in Cellular Automata Models of
Self-Replication" J.A. Reggia, H.-H. Chou, S.L. Armentrout,
& Y. Peng
[21] "Building Large Knowledge Bases in Molecular Biology"
O. Schmeltzer, C. Medigue, P. Uvietta, F. Rechenmann,
F. Dorkeld, G. Perriere, & C. Gautier
[22] "A Service-Oriented Information Sources Database for the
Biological Sciences" G.K. Springer & T.B. Patrick
[23] "Hidden Markov Models and Iterative Aligners: Study of their
Equivalence and Possibilities" H. Tanaka, K. Asai, M. Ishikawa,
& A. Konagaya
[24] "Protein Structure Prediction System Based on Artificial
Neural Networks" J. Vanhala & K. Kaski
[25] "Transmembrane Segment Prediction from Protein Sequence
Data" S.M. Weiss, D.M. Cohen & N. Indurkhya
TUTORIAL PROGRAM
Tutorials will be conducted at the Bethesda Ramada Hotel on
Tuesday, July 6.
12:00-2:45pm "Introduction to Molecular Biology for Computer
Scientists" Prof. Mick Noordewier (Rutgers University)
This overview of the essential facts of molecular biology is
intended as an introduction to the field for computer scientists
who wish to apply their tools to this rich and complex domain.
Material covered will include structural and informational
molecules, the basic organization of the cell and of genetic
material, the "central dogma" of gene expression, and selected
other topics in the area of structure, function, and regulation as
relates to current computational approaches. Dr. Noordewier has
appointments in both Computer Science and Biology at Rutgers, and
has extensive experience in basic biological research in addition
to his current work in computational biology.
12:00-2:45pm "Introduction to Artificial Intelligence for
Biologists" Dr. Richard Lathrop (MIT & Arris Corp.)
An overview of the field of artificial intelligence will be
presented, as it relates to actual and potential biological
applications. Fundamental techniques, symbolic programming
languages, and notions of search will be discussed, as well as
selected topics in somewhat greater detail, such as knowledge
representation, inference, and machine learning. The intended
audience includes biologists with some computational background,
but no extensive exposure to artificial intelligence. Dr.
Lathrop, co-developer of ARIADNE and related technologies, has
worked in the area of artificial intelligence applied to
biological problems in both academia and industry.
3:00-5:45pm "Neural Networks, Statistics, and Information Theory
in Biological Sequence Analysis" Dr. Alan Lapedes (Los Alamos
National Laboratory)
This tutorial will cover the most rapidly-expanding facet of
intelligent systems for molecular biology, that of machine
learning techniques applied to sequence analysis. Closely
interrelated topics to be addressed include the use of artifical
neural networks to elicit both specific signals and general
characteristics of sequences, and the relationship of such
approaches to statistical techniques and information-theoretic
views of sequence data. Dr. Lapedes, of the Theoretical
Division at Los Alamos, has long been a leader in the use of such
techniques in this domain.
3:00-5:45pm "Genetic Algorithms and Genetic Programming"
Prof. John Koza (Stanford University)
The genetic algorithm, an increasingly popular approach to highly
non-linear multi-dimensional optimization problems, was originally
inspired by a biological metaphor. This tutorial will cover both
the biological motivations, and the actual implementation and
characteristics of the algorithm. Genetic Programming, an
extension well-suited to problems where the discovery of the size
and shape of the solution is a major part of the problem, will
also be addressed. Particular attention will be paid to
biological applications, and to identifying resources and software
that will permit attendees to begin using the methods. Dr. Koza,
a Consulting Professor of Computer Science at Stanford, has taught
this subject since 1988 and is the author of a standard text in
the field.
3:00-5:45pm "Linguistic Methods in Sequence Analysis"
Prof. David Searls (University of Pennsylvania)
& Shmuel Pietrokovski (Weizmann Institute)
Approaches to sequence analysis based on linguistic methodologies
are increasingly in evidence. These involve the adaptation of
tools and techniques from computational linguistics for syntactic
pattern recognition and gene prediction, the classification of
genetic structures and phenomena using formal language theory, the
identification of significant vocabularies and overlapping codes
in sequence data, and sequence comparison reflecting taxonomic and
functional relatedness. Dr. Searls, who holds research faculty
appointments in both Genetics and Computer Science at Penn,
represents the branch of this field that considers higher-order
syntactic approaches to sequence data, while Shmuel Pietrokovski
has studied and published with Prof. Edward Trifinov in the area
of word-based analyses.
REGISTRATION FORM
Mail, with check made out to "ISMB-93", to:
ISMB Conference, c/o J. Shavlik
Computer Sciences Department
University of Wisconsin
1210 West Dayton Street
Madison, WI 53706 USA
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Name____________________________________________
Affiliation_____________________________________
Address_________________________________________
________________________________________________
________________________________________________
________________________________________________
Phone___________________________________________
FAX_____________________________________________
Electronic Mail_________________________________
Registration Status: ____ Regular ____ Student
Presenting? ____ Talk ____ Poster
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TUTORIAL REGISTRATION
____"Molecular Biology for Computer Scientists"
or
____"Artificial Intelligence for Biologists"
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
____"Neural Networks, Statistics, and
or Information Theory in Sequence Analysis"
____"Genetic Algorithms and Genetic Programming"
or
____"Linguistic Methods in Sequence Analysis"
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PAYMENT (Early Registration Before June 1)
Registration: Early Late $___________
Regular $100 $125
Student $75 $100
Tutorials: One Two $___________
Regular $50 $65
Student $25 $35
Total: $___________
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Registration fees include conference proceedings,
refreshments, and general program expenses.
ORGANIZING COMMITTEE
Lawrence Hunter NLM
David Searls U. of Pennsylvania
Jude Shavlik U. of Wisconsin
PROGRAM COMMITTEE
Douglas Brutlag Stanford U.
Bruce Buchanan U. of Pittsburgh
Christian Burks Los Alamos National Lab
Fred Cohen U.C.-San Francisco
Chris Fields Inst. for Genome Research
Michael Gribskov U.C.-San Diego
Peter Karp SRI International
Toni Kazic Washington U.
Alan Lapedes Los Alamos National Lab
Richard Lathrop MIT & Arris Corp.
Charles Lawrence Baylor
Michael Mavrovouniotis U. of Maryland
George Michaels NIH
Harold Morowitz George Mason U.
Katsumi Nitta ICOT
Mick Noordewier Rutgers U.
Ross Overbeek Argonne National Lab
Chris Rawlings ICRF
Derek Sleeman U. of Aberdeen
David States Washington U.
Gary Stormo U. of Colorado
Ed Uberbacher Oak Ridge National Lab
David Waltz Thinking Machines Corp.
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From: bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner)
Subject: Re: Allah Akbar and Praise the Lord.
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Organization: Okcforum Unix Users Group
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Maddi Hausmann (madhaus@netcom.com) wrote:
:
: And thank the Lord that Bill Connor has returned to set
: us straight! Now I know I can die happy when my Lexus
: SE400 wipes out on that rain-slick curve in 1997. The
: rest of you had best straighten up, because your time
: is even more limited. Most of you are going in the Flu
: of 1994.
Maddi,
You know you're glad to have me visit ...
But I won't stay long this time, just shopping around.
Bill
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From: kozloce@wkuvx1.bitnet
Subject: Re: Thumbs up to ESPN
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY
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I agree. It was great for the ESPN people to show the Detroit game. (My
roommate just about sh*t when they threw the octopus on the ice. (Thanks
for explaining the significance of that BTW)) The only problem I had was
when they blotted out the local commentators with the baseball ads and
music. Especially when the wings player hit the rut and went into the
boards injuring his shoulder and they blotted out the injury report. Other
then that, hats off to ESPN. Now if they'll only make a habit of this. Yeah
right! Baseball seasons started (Zzzzzz.....) =)
KOZ
LETS GO CAPS!!
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From: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca
Subject: Fortune-guzzler barred from bars!
Organization: BC Systems Corporation
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Saw this in today's newspaper:
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FORTUNE-GUZZLER BARRED FROM BARS
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Barnstaple, England/Reuter
A motorcyclist said to have drunk away a $290,000 insurance payment in
less than 10 years was banned Wednesday from every pub in England and Wales.
David Roberts, 29, had been awarded the cash in compensation for
losing a leg in a motorcycle accident. He spent virtually all of it on cider, a
court in Barnstaple in southwest England was told.
Judge Malcolm Coterill banned Roberts from all bars in England and
Wales for 12 months and put on two years' probation after he started a brawl in
a pub.
--
Bruce Clarke B.C. Environment
e-mail: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca
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From: galway@chtm.eece.unm.edu (Denis McKeon)
Subject: Re: How to act in front of traffic jerks
Organization: Connemara - Computing for People
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To:
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Status: OR
In article <nielsmm-150493114522@nanna.imv.aau.dk> nielsmm@imv.aau.dk (Niels Mikkel Michelsen) writes:
>The other day, it was raining cats and dogs, therefor I was going only to
>the speed limit, on nothing more, on my bike. This guy in his BMW was
>driving 1-2 meters behind me for 7-800 meters and at the next red light I
>calmly put the bike on its leg, walked back to this car, he rolled down the
>window, and I told him he was a total idiot (and the reason why).
>
>Did I do the right thing?
Well, I used to get mad, and either try to communicate my anger to jerks,
or to, uhm, educate them in how to improve their manners in traffic.
Now I just try to get them off my tail.
In heavy traffic I slow down a bit, mostly so I have more buffer zone in
front to balance the minimal buffer behind, but I also often find that the
jerk behind will notice traffic moving faster in other lanes, switch
into one of them, and pass me - which is fine, because then I can keep a
better eye on the jerk from behind, while looking ahead, rather than
from in front, while splitting my attention between ahead and the mirrors.
In traffic so heavy that there is no way for the jerk to pass,
I might pull over, as if to look for a street number or name,
(still ignoring the jerk) just to get the jerk off my tail.
If this all sounds, well, wimpy or un-Denizenly or pessimistic, or perhaps
(for any psych types) passive-aggressive, consider that I prefer to get
my adrenaline jollies from riding, rather than from yelling at jerks.
A ride can improve my whole day, while yelling at a jerk is likely (for
me) to ruin my ride or my day with my own anger. In the worst case,
yelling at the jerk could ruin my life - since even a tiny jerk in a
cage behind me is better armed (with the cage) than I am on a bike.
On the other hand, you might try subtly arranging to be the last
vehicle to legally cross one or more intersections, leaving the jerk
waiting for cross traffic (and thus off your tail), or crossing
illegally (hopefully in front of the waiting police).
Like almost everything here, your choices and mileage will vary.
--
Denis McKeon
galway@chtm.eece.unm.edu
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From: r8102009@ccms.ntu.edu.tw (Chia-Yi Lee)
Subject: Re: ?? DOS font size in windows??
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Organization: NTUTaiwan
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S. Alavi (ssa@unity.ncsu.edu) wrote:
:
: I have an 8514/A card, and I am using windows in 1024x768 mode
: (normal 8514/A font, not small). In the 386 enhanced mode
: the DOS window font is too small for my 14" monitor. Is there a
: way to spacify the font size for the DOS window? You'll have to
: excuse me if there is a trivial answer, since I am fairly new to
: MS Windows world.
:
: Thanks.
:
: (Please include this message for reference)
: ====== S. Alavi [ssa@unity.ncsu.edu] (919)467-7909 (H) ========
: (919)515-8063 (W)
As I can recall, you can click on the upper left button of dos window, then
choose font to change. Also there is a demo window to show you in advance how
the font you choose will affect the size of dos window. Make a try!
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From: scott@asd.com (Scott Barman)
Subject: Re: Best Homeruns
Organization: American Software Development Corp., West Babylon, NY
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Darryl Strawberry's moon shots were fun! He can hit those high and far
home runs that if he actually ran them out he'd be rounding second base
by the time they landed. We used to say that he should have to file a
flight plan at LaGuardia for some of them. Then _Bull_Durham_ came out
and that was changed. :-)
On homers he pulled that didn't go high, they were microwave home runs.
Microwave, as in they got outta there in a hurry! In a game in 1988, he
came off the bench with the flu and on the second pitch send a rocket
down the right field line that didn't even allow Bob Murphy the "luxury"
of a home run call. The story went he stayed in the clubhouse, the with
the Mets down by two and two on Davey Johnson sent for him to pinch hit.
He came out of the clubhouse saying "one swing and we go home." He hit
the homer, ran the bases, then went straight for the clubhouse to shower
and go home.
Those were the days....
--
scott barman | Mets Mailing List (feed the following into your shell):
scott@asd.com | mail mets-request@asd.com <<!
| subscribe
Let's Go Mets! | !
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From: cbruno@wpi.WPI.EDU (Christopher James Bruno)
Subject: Coil
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Lines: 11
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu
Hey everyone, I'm new to this newsgroup so please excuse me if this is a
dumb question....I want to build a crossover for my stereo and I need
a coil with an inductance of 6.8mH (actually I need 4). I was wondering
if anyone knew where I could buy these or how to make these. I've called
many places and no one I can find sells them. If you have the answers just
E - mail me....
Thanks in advance....
Chris
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From: J056600@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: Lindros will be traded!!!
Article-I.D.: LMSC5.93096.46336.J056600
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
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In <1993Apr5.163209.576@r-node.hub.org>, Jay Chu writes:
>True rumor. Fact! A big three way deal!
>Eric Lindros going to Ottawa Senators. And Senators get $15mill from
>Montreal.
>Montreal gets Alexander Daigle (the first round pick from Senators)
>Philly gets Damphousse, Bellow, Patrick Roy and a draft pick.
Sheesh. The rumor mill strikes again. But let's just assume this were true.
My question is this:
What would Montreal give San Jose if the Sharks got first pick and took Daigle?
Tim Irvin
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From: dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (Deepak Chhabra)
Subject: Re: Potvin's new goalie mask
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Stephen Legge (SLEGGE@kean.ucs.munc.ca) writes:
>I was wtahcing RIGHT GUARD HOCKEY WEEK on TSN yesterday and they had
>a feature on this guy that does a lot (most?) of the masks for NHL
>goalies. They talked about how they are made, what they are made of,
>and the designs that are put on them, etc.
Actually, this part was really interesting. It turns out that the mask is
custom-fit to the goalie's face. The goalie puts his/her face through a
piece of wood (or was it plastic?) with a hole in it that allows only the face
and forehead to show. Hair is covered by a cap, eyes are covered by a plastic
wrap-type material, and vaseline is put on the goaltender's face. Then, a
plaster is spread on their cheeks, forehead, and chin which takes about 12
minutes to dry sufficiently. When it dries, it is effectively a mold of the
goalie's face. This is used as the basis of the mask (the rest involves
padding the inside, hardening the exterior, fitting the cage, etc. etc.
John Blue of the Bruins actually demonstrated the procedure on the show.
>He exhibited a couple masks he is currently working on, namely, a
>new mask for Andy Moog which is a basic re-working of his current
>mask with the bear on it, and new mask for Bob Essensa which was
>*really* cool -- the Jets logo was on the chin, and there were two
>fighter jets on either side on the forehead with an air-brushed
>back-ground.
Yeah, Essensa's mask looked really good.
>The best one of all was one he never talked about, he just held it up.
>It has the current Leafs crest on the chin and an awesome looking
>black panther on the forehead -- it *has* to be a new mask for Felix
>Potvin, but he never said whose it was.
Actually, I thought I heard him say that it _was_ Potvin's for certain. I
would bet money on it either way...and it did look awesome!
dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca
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From: psyrobtw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss)
Subject: 21 Apr 93 God's Promise in 2 Chronicles 15:2
Organization: University at Buffalo
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And he went out to meet Asa,
And said unto him,
Hear ye me, Asa,
And all Judah and Benjamin;
The LORD is with you, while ye be with him;
and if ye seek him, he will be found of you;
but if ye forsake him, he will forsake you.
2 Chronicles 15:2
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From: bjones@convex.com (Brad Jones)
Subject: Re: Letter to the President
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Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
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not necessarily those of CONVEX.
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kdw@icd.ab.com (Kenneth D. Whitehead) writes:
>the dismissal or resignation of Lloyd Bensen, Secretary of the Treasury,
In case you haven't sent it yet, it's "Bentsen", not "Bensen".
Brad
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From: eyc@acpub.duke.edu (EMIL CHUCK)
Subject: Re: Bill 'Blame America First' Clinton Strikes Again.
Summary: Repost from alt.rush-limbaugh
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jeddi@next06pg2.wam.umd.edu (Anheuser Busch) writes:
>This argument sounds very stupid.. if the ability to make guns from
>"simple metalworking" was easy, then Drug dealers would make their own
>wouldn't they???.. why spend hundreds of dollars buying a gun that
>somebody else made cheap and is selling it to you at an
>exorbitant markup???... The simple truth of the matter is, that regardless
>of how easy it is to make guns, banning guns will reduce the
>the number of new guns and seriuosly impede the efforts of a
>killer intent on buying a weapon....
>To show why the tools argument is the silliest i have ever seen.. take an
>analogy from computer science... almost every computer science major
>can write a "wordprocessor" yet we(comp sci majors) would willingly pay 3
>to 400 bucks for a professional software like wordperfect... why don't we
>just all write our own software???...... Because it is highly
>inconvinient!!!..
>Same with guns... secondly.. how does one get this gunpowder for the
>"home made gun" ??? Take a quick trip to the local 7-eleven???.
> If guns were really that simple to make... the Bosnian muslims would
>be very happy people (or is it the case that metalworking tools are
>banned in bosnia??? (deep sarcasm) ).
>
>well this is my two cents..
> i will now resume reading all these ridiculus post from people
> who must make their living doing stand-up comedy.
** END OF FORWARDED MATERIAL **
--
And so, the rubber spheroid arced beneath the brilliant lights.
Headed for a hoop of dreams he'd dreamt of all those nights.
The crowd gasped as the ball descended; Would it grant their fondest wish?
There was no doubt in Casey's mind, He knew it was a *SWISH*!
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From: vida@mdavcr.mda.ca (Vida Morkunas)
Subject: Inner Ear Problems from Too Much Flying?
Organization: MacDonald Dettwiler, 13800 Commerce Parkway, Richmond, BC, Canada V6V 2J3
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Can one develop inner-ear problems from too much flying? I hear that pilots
and steward/esses have a limit as to the maximum number of flying hours --
what are these limits? What are the main problems associated with too many
long-haul (over 4 hours) trips?
Frequent Flyer.
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From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen)
Subject: Re: 1993 Infiniti G20
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
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>In article <78834@cup.portal.com> carl_f_hoffman@cup.portal.com writes:
>>2) There is a special deal where I can get an Infinity G20, fully
>> loaded, at dealer cost (I have check this out and the numbers match
>> up). They are doing this because they are releasing and update mid-1993
>> version (includes dual air-bags) and want to get rid of their old 1993's.
is this really the dealer's cost? did you get the dealer's cost by
looking at the invoice? there may be factory to dealer incentives.
i'd check this out, since i have trouble believing that a dealer would
sell a car to me at his cost.
dealer invoice is not necessarily the dealer cost.
-teddy
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From: ingles@engin.umich.edu (Ray Ingles)
Subject: Re: Concerning God's Morality (was: Americans and Evolution)
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
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Distribution: world
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In article <1993Apr2.155057.808@batman.bmd.trw.com> jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com writes:
[why do babies get diseases, etc.]
>What God did create was life according to a protein code which is
>mutable and can evolve. Without delving into a deep discussion of
>creationism vs evolutionism,
Here's the (main) problem. The scenario you outline is reasonably
consistent, but all the evidence that I am familiar with not only does
not support it, but indicates something far different. The Earth, by
latest estimates, is about 4.6 billion years old, and has had life for
about 3.5 billion of those years. Humans have only been around for (at
most) about 200,000 years. But, the fossil evidence inidcates that life
has been changing and evolving, and, in fact, disease-ridden, long before
there were people. (Yes, there are fossils that show signs of disease...
mostly bone disorders, of course, but there are some.) Heck, not just
fossil evidence, but what we've been able to glean from genetic study shows
that disease has been around for a long, long time. If human sin was what
brought about disease (at least, indirectly, though necessarily) then
how could it exist before humans?
> God created the original genetic code
>perfect and without flaw. And without getting sidetracked into
>the theological ramifications of the original sin, the main effect
>of the so-called original sin for this discussion was to remove
>humanity from God's protection since by their choice A&E cut
>themselves off from intimate fellowship with God. In addition, their
>sin caused them to come under the dominion of Satan, who then assumed
>dominion over the earth...
[deletions]
>Since humanity was no longer under God's protection but under Satan's
>dominion, it was no great feat for Satan to genetically engineer
>diseases, both bacterial/viral and genetic. Although the forces of
>natural selection tend to improve the survivability of species, the
>degeneration of the genetic code tends to more than offset this.
Uh... I know of many evolutionary biologists, who know more about
biology than you claim to, who will strongly disagree with this. There
is no evidence that the human genetic code (or any other) 'started off'
in perfect condition. It seems to adapt to its envionment, in a
collective sense. I'm really curious as to what you mean by 'the
degeneration of the genetic code'.
>Human DNA, being more "complex", tends to accumulate errors adversely
>affecting our well-being and ability to fight off disease, while the
>simpler DNA of bacteria and viruses tend to become more efficient in
>causing infection and disease. It is a bad combination.
Umm. Nah, we seem to do a pretty good job of adapting to viruses and
bacteria, and they to us. Only a very small percentage of microlife is
harmful to humans... and that small percentage seems to be reasonalby
constant in size, but the ranks keep changing. For example, bubonic
plague used to be a really nasty disease, I'm sure you'll agree. But
it still pops up from time to time, even today... and doesn't do as
much damage. Part of that is because of better sanitation, but even
when people get the disease, the symptoms tend to be less severe than in
the past. This seems to be partly because people who were very susceptible
died off long ago, and because the really nasty variants 'overgrazed',
(forgive the poor terminology, I'm an engineer, not a doctor! :-> ) and
died off for lack of nearby hosts.
I could be wrong on this, but from what I gather acne is only a few
hundred years old, and used to be nastier, though no killer. It seems to
be getting less nasty w/age...
> Hence
>we have newborns that suffer from genetic, viral, and bacterial
>diseases/disorders.
Now, wait a minute. I have a question. Humans were created perfect, right?
And, you admit that we have an inbuilt abiliy to fight off disease. It
seems unlikely that Satan, who's making the diseases, would also gift
humans with the means to fight them off. Simpler to make the diseases less
lethal, if he wants survivors. As far as I can see, our immune systems,
imperfect though they may (presently?) be, must have been built into us
by God. I want to be clear on this: are you saying that God was planning
ahead for the time when Satan would be in charge by building an immune
system that was not, at the time of design, necessary? That is, God made
our immune systems ahead of time, knowing that Adam and Eve would sin and
their descendents would need to fight off diseases?
>This may be more of a mystical/supernatural explanation than you
>are prepared to accept, but God is not responsible for disease.
>Even if Satan had nothing to do with the original inception of
>disease, evolution by random chance would have produced them since
>humanity forsook God's protection.
Here's another puzzle. What, exactly, do you mean by 'perfect' in the
phrase, 'created... perfect and without flaw'? To my mind, a 'perfect'
system would be incapable of degrading over time. A 'perfect' system
that will, without constant intervention, become imperfect is *not* a
perfect system. At least, IMHO.
Or is it that God did something like writing a masterpiece novel on a
bunch of gum wrappers held together with Elmer's glue? That is, the
original genetic 'instructions' were perfect, but were 'written' in
inferior materials that had to be carefully tended or would fall apart?
If so, why could God not have used better materials?
Was God *incapable* of creating a system that could maintain itself,
of did It just choose not to?
[deletions]
>In summary, newborns are innocent, but God does not cause their suffering.
My main point, as I said, was that there really isn't any evidence for
the explanation you give. (At least, that I'm aware of.) But, I couldn't
help making a few nitpicks here and there. :->
Sincerely,
Ray Ingles || The above opinions are probably
|| not those of the University of
ingles@engin.umich.edu || Michigan. Yet.
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From: kkeach@pomona.claremont.edu
Subject: three homer games and Padres notes
Reply-To: kkeach@pomona.claremont.edu
Organization: Pomona College
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To all those out there wondering about who holds the record for three
homer games ina career, the answer is Johnny Mize in his career with the
Cards and the Yanks. He hit three 6 times. I am almost sure about this. In
case anyone is wondering, the record for two homer games is held by Babe
Ruth and is 72. Mize's record may not last for much longer because of Juan
Gonzalez. He has at least three games with three and maybe 4. I know that
he had at least two last year and one as a rookie. I don't have any record
books at college for me to check on though. Please let me know, okay, if I
am wrong.
Onto the Padres. Is there anyone out there who follows them?- especial-ly those with access to local news? I don't here anything in Los Angeles and I
can't get McPaper consistently around here.
comment: It looks as though San Diego has gotten the better of the two deals
that brought Bell and Plantier to the Padres. It has also forced the team to use Darrell Shermann. Of course, Plantier could get injured again or he could
hit with the power of 91 but with a lower average. Bell always could finish
with .240 and 15-18 hrs-essentially Jerald Clark's numbers.
leadoff comment: Craig Shipley?????? I get on base 29% of the time if I'm
lucky at leadoff? Hell, of the usual starters, use Gwynn. He's got 4 steals
already. Is Shipley starting because of an injury to Stillwell, though? I
haven't seen Stillwell's name in any box scores. Anyway unless you are going
to use Shermann at leadoff then use Gwynn. He at lesat gets on base and this
year is stealing bases.
Sheffield comment: Though the season is early and stats mean nothing.
Witness Phillips batting .500+ currently. But does Sheffield have an injury,
or anythingelse wrong with him. I just don't hear anything.
Andy Benes: Is he pitching like he did in the second half of '91? or is
this a flash of promise that he throws out evrey now and then? Has anyone
seen him pitch the two good games?
score for today, Sunday april 18: Padres 10, St Louis 6. Padres sweep the
Cardinals as Gwynn goes 5 for 5 with a homer. Sheffield and Tueful also homer
in a winning cause.
Thanks for listening-reading
any comments????
Kelly Keach
kkeach@pomona.claremont.edu
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From: Rich.Rubel@launchpad.unc.edu (Rich Rubel)
Subject: PS/2 Appletalk card question
Nntp-Posting-Host: lambada.oit.unc.edu
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Lines: 17
I have a chance to buy a used PS/2 Appletalk card to create a network with
my home machines. However, the guy who has the card tells me there's a
DB-9 or DB-15 (can't remember now) on the back of the card, rather than
the 8-pin (or 4-pin) mini-din that I expect. This sounds more like a
Thicknet ethernet card. Should there be a transciever on it, like on the
Quadras? What would be a reasonable price to expect to pay for one of
these cards, keeping in mind that it's Micro-Channel Architecture, which
means take your best guess and double it.
Email replies would be appreciated, to here or to rrr@ideas.com
Thanks.
[RICHR]
--
The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of
North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
internet: laUNChpad.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80
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From: vwelch@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Von Welch)
Subject: Re: MOTORCYCLE DETAILING TIP #18
Organization: Nat'l Ctr for Supercomp App (NCSA) @ University of Illinois
Lines: 22
In article <1993Apr15.164644.7348@hemlock.cray.com>, ant@palm21.cray.com (Tony Jones) writes:
|>
|> How about someone letting me know MOTORCYCLE DETAILING TIP #19 ?
|>
|> The far side of my instrument panel was scuffed when the previous owner
|> dumped the bike. Same is true for one of the turn signals.
|>
|> Both of the scuffed areas are black plastic.
|>
|> I recall reading somewhere, that there was some plastic compound you could coat
|> the scuffed areas with, then rub it down, ending with a nice smooth shiny
|> finish ?
|>
In the May '93 Motorcyclist (pg 15-16), someone writes in and recomends using
rubberized undercoating for this.
--
Von Welch (vwelch@ncsa.uiuc.edu) NCSA Networking Development Group
'93 CBR600F2 '78 KZ650 '83 Subaru GL 4WD
- I speak only for myself and those who think exactly like me -
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From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Subject: Re: Migraines
Article-I.D.: pitt.19398
Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science
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In article <DRAND.93Mar26112932@spinner.osf.org> drand@spinner.osf.org (Douglas S. Rand) writes:
>So I'll ask this, my neurologist just prescribed Cafergot and
>Midrin as some alternatives for me to try. He stated that
>the sublingual tablets of ergotamine were no longer available.
>Any idea why? He also suggested trying 800 mg ibuprophen.
>
I just found out about the sublinguals disappearing too. I don't
know why. Perhaps because they weren't as profitable as cafergot.
Too bad, since tablets are sometimes vomited up by migraine patients
and they don't do any good flushed down the toilet. I suspect
we'll be moving those patients more and more to the DHE nasal
spray, which is far more effective.
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From: kjk3@po.CWRU.Edu (Kathleen J. Kelly)
Subject: Re: Protective gear
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
Lines: 6
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu
I second the boots... oil spots from cars are particularly
slippery when parking the bikes, and good boots help here as
well.
--
Squid
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From: ragee@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu (Randy Agee)
Subject: Radar detector DETECTORS?
Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Richmond)
Lines: 50
Here's one I hope some knowledgeable readers will make a comment or
contribution to:
In the State of Virginia radar detectors are illegal, period. If
you are caught with one it will be confiscated on the spot and will
not be returned until after you appear in court and pay your fine.
The fine for having a radar detector accessible in a motor vehicle
(even if it is not on) is $250.00. Sorry, tourist, ignorance of
the law is no excuse - they will get you too!
It used to be that the only way the law could be enforced was for
an officer to actually see the radar detector. Not any more! Many
law enforcement agencies are now using radar detector detectors.
Right, a super sensitive receiver that is capable of picking up RF
from the radar detector itself. My first reaction was "no way!"
But, guess again, these little buggers really work and the police
are writing citations right and left for people using radar
detectors. One news story quoted an officer as saying that he had
found the radar detector in all of the cars he stopped except one,
and he could never figure out where it was - but he knew it was
there. This tends to make one assume there are few false arrest.
Now, before I get flamed, please understand that I do drive at or
near the speed limit. I do not need a radar detector to keep me
from getting a speeding ticket. But, I do like to know when my
speed is being clocked or a speed trap is functioning. My radar
detector now stays locked in my trunk when I am in Virginia (which
is what they want - and yes, what the law says, and I intend to
obey the law!) and is only used in states where it is legal.
For my fellow hams, I am not a microwave person - my mind only
works in the HF spectrum between 10 and 80 meters. Microwave
enlightment may be necessary.
So, the questions are -
What do the radar detector detectors actually detect?
Would additional shielding/grounding/bypassing shield stray RF generated by
a radar detector, or is the RF actually being emitted by the detector
antenna?
Are any brands "quieter" than others?
==============================================================================
Randy T. Agee - ARS WB4BZX | At some point, you probably pondered The
P.O. Box 2120 - 20th floor | Meaning of Life, and you came up with a
Virginia Department of Education | satisfactory answer, which has or has not
Richmond, VA 23216-2120 | stood the test of time, or you shrugged
Phone (804) 225-2669 | mightily, muttered "Beats the heck out of
ragee@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu | me," and ordered a cheeseburger.
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From: scottj@magic.dml.georgetown.edu (John L. Scott)
Subject: Luser!
Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site
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Awesley wrote:
That was the entire point to *you*. What exactly did I claim?
--------------------------------------------------
"I've heard eye-witness descriptions of tanks using their main guns
to respond to sniper fire. Quite effectively."
--------------------------------------------------
I wasn't wrong . . . I've heard those descriptions. If you're
paying attention, I've mentioned that I saw the tanks with my own
eyes, but the main gun firing was an account I heard. That helps
people judge whether or not to kick in the, to use your words,
"bullshit filters". Stating that I *claimed* this is a falsehood.
Later in the same post:
Another part of my memories was that while most damaged building
were burnt, some were in rubble. Based on what I remember, I was and
am inclined to believe an old sarge or two.
Fine, *now* you are stating that you believe their claims (or that you are
"inclined" to. See below for a stronger statement of your beliefs). Those
claims are still ludicrous, however.
Previously Awesley had written:
You can also read of the troops using grenade launchers.
Prompting me to write:
To fire fragmentary grenades? I doubt that as well. To fire concussion
grenades? Perhaps. To fire tear gas? Certainly. But you would be
perfectly willing to let us believe they fired frags, wouldn't you, since
it makes your other claim seem more plausible.
To which Awesley replied:
John, again, strawman techniques. Do you feel you're losing it so you
have to stretch what I said and knock that down? What I read said
nothing about what they fired. And so I put nothing in there. If you
need some help, let me know and I'l take your side of this for a
while. You're not scoring here, you're boring here.
But why did you mention grenade launchers at all? Because it supports the
notion that the tanks shelled buildings. And it supports that notion
because it conjures images of troops launching fragmentary grenades. But
that too is ludicrous.
I wrote:
If tanks had fired their main guns in Detroit, people would have been
screaming about it for the past two and half decades. I would know about
it.
Awesley relied:
Glad to know you're such an expert. Nice to hear some an
authority. I especially appreciate your basis of knowledge -- if it
had happened, you would have know it. Since you are such an
authority, you probably know that people did scream about an alleged
massive cover-up in the number of people killed in the Detroit riot.
Some claimed 100+ dead, others said 300. The offical number is 43 but
the Concise Columbia Encyclopedia says it was "several". I've also
heard some things about that but I won't dare repeat them. You'd
assert that I claimed they were truth.
Yes, if it happened I would have heard about it. Everybody would have.
Army tanks don't fire their cannons in American cities in the 1960's
without it becoming common knowledge, without minority leaders seizing on
it and condemning it over and over again, without civil libertarians saying
"this has gone far enough." So, yes, my never hearing of it was the basis
for my disbelieving the claim. Now I have more reasons to disbelieve it.
Not one poster has written to say, yes, I lived in Detroit at that time and
everybody knew that the tanks had fired shells. This is the UseNet. If it
had happened, somebody here would remember it. Furthermore, your own
research failed to come up with any support for the claim. The claim is
extraordinary and it has no supporting evidence, extraordinary or not.
Unless you count the brags of a couple of guardsmen shooting the shit. I
do not.
I wrote:
Unless you also claim that the National Guard managed to cover it up.
Awesley wrote:
Taking the tour after the riots, it was pretty easy to tell the
difference between Army and Guard troops. Or so I recall from 26
years ago. And I seem to recall it was the Army running the tanks.
So it would have been an Army cover-up.
Quibble. Fine, it was an Army cover-up. Six years in the Reserves has
taught me the difference also. But do you think that in two and half
decades not one guilt-ridden participant has come forward and said "yes, I
shelled Americans," or "I gave the orders to fire the cannons," or "I
helped cover it up"?
I wrote:
If your mind is open enough to believe that, well, good for you. I
prefer
to live in reality. And here in reality, I find it hard to believe that
those tanks even had any shells, much less fired them.
Awesley replied:
Given the level in destruction in Detroit, I'm quite willing to believe
that they did fire their guns.
Good. Then we can drop the junk about you not claiming that they did.
Your belief fails a basic reality check: why isn't it known?
Awesley concludes:
Now then, we've bored the shit out of anyone whose bothered to read
this far and all you've managed to say is that you don't believe the
account I cited.
Actually, now we have established that I don't believe what you believe, as
well as why I don't believe it. And if it's boring, then I yield the last
word to you, if you want it. You may say anything you like with
impunity--I am dropping the subject.
--John L. Scott
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From: cpr@igc.apc.org (Center for Policy Research)
Subject: Re: Investment in Yehuda and Shomron
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Nf-ID: #R:horenC5LDuz.5sE@netcom.com:1074830076:cdp:1483500346:000:733
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cpr Apr 16 17:02:00 1993
Aryans who do not base their reasoning on Nazi ideology are racists...
Thus spoke an American citizen in the name of Judaism. If this is Judaism,
I think Judaism should be combatted as any extremist and dangerous
philosophy.
I suspect however that Martin Buber, Albert Einstein and other Jewish
scholars would have rather converted to Christianity than stay Jews, if
they would have perceived Judaism as such a perverted philosophy.
Those who wish to learn something about the perversion of Judaism,
should consult the masterly work by Yehoshua Harkabi, who was many
years the head of Israeli Intelligence and an opponent of the PLO. His
latest book was published in English and includes a very detailed analysis
of Judeo-Nazism.
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From: terziogl@ee.rochester.edu (Esin Terzioglu)
Subject: Re: ARMENIA SAYS IT COULD SHOOT DOWN TURKISH PLANES
Organization: Univ of Rochester, College of Engineering and Applied Science
Lines: 33
In article <1993Apr19.155856.8260@kpc.com> henrik@quayle.kpc.com writes:
>In article <1993Apr17.185118.10792@ee.rochester.edu>, terziogl@ee.rochester.edu (Esin Terzioglu) writes:
>|> In article <1993Apr16.195452.21375@urartu.sdpa.org> dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) writes:
>|> >04/16/93 1045 ARMENIA SAYS IT COULD SHOOT DOWN TURKISH PLANES
>|> >
>|>
>|> Ermenistan kasiniyor...
>|>
>|> Let me translate for everyone else before the public traslation service gets
>|> into it : Armenia is getting itchy.
>|>
>|> Esin.
>
>
>Let me clearify Mr. Turkish;
>
>ARMENIA is NOT getting "itchy". SHE is simply LETTING the WORLD KNOW that SHE
>WILL NO LONGER sit there QUIET and LET TURKS get away with their FAMOUS
>tricks. Armenians DO REMEMBER of the TURKISH invasion of the Greek island of
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>CYPRESS WHILE the world simply WATCHED.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Your ignorance is obvious from your posting.
1) Cyprus was an INDEPENDENT country with Turkish/Greek inhabitants (NOT a
Greek island like your ignorant posting claims)
2) The name should be Cyprus (in English)
next time read and learn before you post.
Esin.
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From: apland@mala.bc.ca (Ron Apland)
Subject: Re: Telephone # of Cirrus Logic
Organization: Malaspina College
Lines: 14
In article <C63M1s.M86@news.Hawaii.Edu>, chen@galileo.ifa.hawaii.edu (Hua Chen) writes:
> Is there anybody who knows the telephone number of Cirrus Logic Co.,
> maker of a graphic card? Please reply to chen@cfa.harvard.edu
> Thank you very much.
>
> Hua Chen
> Center for Astrophysics
>
BBS number
510-226-2365
Ron
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From: pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Crowley)
Subject: Re: Organized Lobbying for Cryptography
Reply-To: pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Crowley)
Organization: Edinburgh University
Distribution: inet
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Quoting jgfoot@minerva.cis.yale.edu in article <1r3jgbINN35i@eli.CS.YALE.EDU>:
>Perhaps these encryption-only types would defend the digitized porn if it
>was posted encrypted?
>These issues are not as seperable as you maintain.
In fact, since effective encryption makes censorship impossible, they
are almost the same issue and they certainly fall into the brief of the
EFF.
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\/ o\ Paul Crowley pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk \\ //
/\__/ Trust me. I know what I'm doing. \X/ Fold a fish for Jesus!
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From: jr0930@eve.albany.edu (REGAN JAMES P)
Subject: Re: Pascal-Fractals
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
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Apparently, my editor didn't do what I wanted it to do, so I'll try again.
i'm looking for any programs or code to do simple animation and/or
drawing using fractals in TurboPascal for an IBM
Thanks in advance
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From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Subject: Re: Blindsight
Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science
Lines: 18
In article <werner-240393161954@tol7mac15.soe.berkeley.edu> werner@soe.berkeley.edu (John Werner) writes:
>In article <19213@pitt.UUCP>, geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) wrote:
>>
>> Explain. I thought there were 3 types of cones, equivalent to RGB.
>
>You're basically right, but I think there are just 2 types. One is
>sensitive to red and green, and the other is sensitive to blue and yellow.
>This is why the two most common kinds of color-blindness are red-green and
>blue-yellow.
>
Yes, I remember that now. Well, in that case, the cones are indeed
color sensitive, contrary to what the original respondent had claimed.
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From: oecjtb@oec4.orbital.dialix.oz.au (John Bongiovanni)
Subject: Re: Date is stuck
Organization: Orbital Engine Company
Lines: 29
bsardis@netcom.com (Barry Sardis) writes:
>kevin@kosman.uucp (Kevin O'Gorman) writes:
>>Anybody seen the date get stuck?
>>I'm running MS-DOS 5.0 with a menu system alive all the time. The machine
>>is left running all the time.
>>Suddenly, the date no longer rolls over. The time is (reasonably) accurate
>>allways, but we have to change the date by hand every morning. This involves
>>exiting the menu system to get to DOS.
>I've started to notice the same thing myself. I'm running DOS 5 and Win 3.1 so
>I can fix it from the Windows Control Panel. At times it is the date, at
>others the clock seems to be running several minutes behind where it should
>be.
Did I once hear that in order for the date to advance, something, like a
clock, *has* to make a Get Date system call? Apparently, the clock
hardware interrupt and BIOS don't do this (date advance) automatically. The
Get Date call notices that a "midnight reset" flag has been set, and then
then advances the date.
Anybody with more info?
--
John Bongiovanni, Systems Analyst, Orbital Engine Company, Perth, Australia
oecjtb@oec4.orbital.dialix.oz.au, bongo@alumni.caltech.edu
Opinions expressed are my own and not those of my organisation.
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From: fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer)
Subject: Re: Rumours about 3DO ???
In-Reply-To: archer@elysium.esd.sgi.com's message of 6 Apr 93 18:18:30 GMT
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University
<C51Eyz.4Ix@optimla.aimla.com> <1993Apr6.144520.2190@unocal.com>
<h48vtis@zola.esd.sgi.com>
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>>>>> "Archer" == Archer (Bad Cop) Surly (archer@elysium.esd.sgi.com)
Archer> How about "Interactive Sex with Madonna"?
or "Sexium" for short.
/Lars
--
Lars Fischer, fischer@iesd.auc.dk | It takes an uncommon mind to think of
CS Dept., Aalborg Univ., DENMARK. | these things. -- Calvin
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From: jayne@mmalt.guild.org (Jayne Kulikauskas)
Subject: re: Pantheism and Environmentalism
Organization: Kulikauskas home
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KEVXU@cunyvm.bitnet writes:
[deleted]
> first paragraph and the mention of pantheism. Is pantheism "perverted"
> and "dangerous", or just not one's cup of tea? None of this is clear.
I can't speak for Mr. Cavano, but I understood his comment to refer to
the idea that unrecognized pantheism is dangerous to Christians. If we
unthinkingly adopt pantheistic ideas that are opposed to Christianity,
we can pervert our faith. When we clearly recognize pantheism when we
encounter it we have the opportunity to embrace what is consistent with
Christianity and reject what isn't.
We need to be alert, always thinking and questioning. We must examine
the underlying assumptions of every book we read, tv program we watch
and socio-political movement we participate in. Ideas are important.
Philosophies and doctrines are what give form to the events of our
lives. They are the basis from which we live our lives of love and
service. The command to love God with all one's mind means no fuzzy-
headed drifting from idea to idea.
> and that consumerism and our rapacious style of living
> are so rarely called by their appropriate name: Greed.
One Christian who acknowledges this is the Pope. It is a frequent theme
in his writings. Indeed, thoughtful Christians from most traditions
recognize that consumerism has no place in the lives of Christians. It
too is a perversion and dangerous to our faith. Thank you, Jack, for
pointing out the parallel.
Jayne Kulikauskas/ jayne@mmalt.guild.org
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Subject: Organized Lobbying for Cryptography
From: kubo@zariski.harvard.edu (Tal Kubo)
Organization: Dept. of Math, Harvard Univ.
Nntp-Posting-Host: zariski.harvard.edu
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In article <4014.Apr2003.03.4093@silverton.berkeley.edu>
djb@silverton.berkeley.edu (D. J. Bernstein) writes:
>
>I want to see an organization which will combat such statements.
>Encryption does _not_ threaten the public safety, any more than ski
>masks do. Every American _is_ entitled to use strong encryption which
>ensures his own privacy and is _not_ crippled by a key-escrow system.
>I guess I'm looking for a ``League for Cryptographic Freedom.'' Or a
>``National Cryptography Association.''
An excellent idea.
>
>To what extent does the EFF serve this purpose? Is a new organization
>necessary? Does it already exist?
While I don't know the full scope of the activities of the EFF,
from what little I've seen I think it would be better to lobby for
strong cryptography through a distinct organization.
The EFF has been associated with efforts to prevent the banning of sex
and pictures newsgroups at various universities. Horror stories about the
contents of those groups (e.g. exploitative pictures of possibly underaged
models) have already surfaced in the press. The White House bulletin
already raised the specter of drug-dealing and terrorism, which is only one
step removed from the old "crypto-wielding child molester" argument. An
EFF lobbying effort for cryptography would be too easily derailed by the
connection to child pornography and the like.
Similarly, LPF is connected with Stallman and his Gnu project. In
light of, say, the Gnu Manifesto, this means that in a public debate it
stands to be labelled as "communist", "anarchist hackers", radical, etc.
I don't know about CPSR, but if it is an offshoot of Physicians for Social
Responsibility (best known for Helen Caldicott and her hysterical
antinuclear lobbying) then it probably also carries unwelcome political
baggage.
Perhaps for practical reasons a lobbying organization for cryptography
would best be formed under the umbrella of EFF or some other existing
group, but its charter should then be distinct, independent, and limited to
advocacy for the right to cryptography. To reiterate Dan Bernstein's
question: does any suitable organization exist? If not, what are you going
to do about it?
Having mentioned the possible dangers of unwelcome political associations,
I would be remiss not to suggest something in the opposite direction:
gathering the support of the NRA by emphasizing the RKBA side of the
issue as well as the First-Amendment side.
Tal kubo@math.harvard.edu
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From: phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone)
Subject: Re: A Rational Viewpoint ---> was Re: New Study Out On Gay Percentage
Organization: Generally in favor of, but mostly random.
Lines: 27
In article <1qn57cINNabv@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> stephen@orchid.UCSC.EDU () writes:
>It is very difficult for a young person to develop and build
>a positive view of themself when they are constantly being
>told implicitly and explicitly that they are wrong and
>immoral.
Yes, that is most certainly true. However, the paragrapgh reflects a value-less
position and infers that what is more important than anything else is to
have "a positive view" of one's self.
This of course, is foolish.
Should a mass murderer, a pedophile, a 10-year old pyromaniac have a "positive
view" of themselves?
Of course not.
A person that engages in behaviour that a large number of people condemn,
and IF you believe in the concept of "society", then your only choice is
to expect that person to have a negative view of themselves.
--
There are actually people that STILL believe Love Canal was some kind of
environmental disaster. Weird, eh?
These opinions are MINE, and you can't have 'em! (But I'll rent 'em cheap ...)
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Subject: Re: What do Nuclear Site's Cooling Towers do?
From: ganter@ifi.unibas.ch (Robert Ganter)
Organization: Institut fuer Informatik
Nntp-Posting-Host: schroeder.ifi.unibas.ch
Lines: 34
In article <1qlg9o$d7q@sequoia.ccsd.uts.EDU.AU> writes:
>
>
> I really don't know where to post this question so I figured that
> this board would be most appropriate.
> I was wondering about those massive concrete cylinders that
> are ever present at nuclear poer sites. They look like cylinders
> that have been pinched in the middle. Does anybody know what the
> actual purpose of those things are?. I hear that they're called
> 'Cooling Towers' but what the heck do they cool?
> I hope someone can help
>
This is definitely the wrong newsgroup for this, but never mind.
Any machine powered by heat (motor, steam- or gasturbine, steamengine,
thermoelement,etc) work the better, the bigger the temperature difference
between input and output is. Because You never get all thermic energy out of
the powering medium (steam, burning gaz, etc), You have to eliminate the rest
of the energy to keep the efficency high. A thermal electric power plant (coal,
oil or atomic power) works just the same way. You heat water (steam) to power
the turbine and generators. Because You don't get the whole energy out of the
steam (efficency is never 100%) You have to cool down this steam again by
something else. Most power plants use cooling towers for this purpose (some
type of mega-refrigerator...). Others use water of a river (ecologically not
unobjectionable). Got it ?
Cheers Robert (HB9NBY)
--
Robert Ganter /------------\
Universitaet Basel | I am a fan |
Institut fuer Informatik | of my plan |
Basel/Switzerland \------------/
ganter@ifi.unibas.ch
amateurradio: HB9NBY packet: HB9NBY@HB9EAS.CHE.EU
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From: w1gsl@athena.mit.edu (Steven L. Finberg)
Subject: New England Ham - Electronic Fleamarket Dates ** 1 April update **
Keywords: Fleamarkets Swaps Ham Radio Computers Electronics
Article-I.D.: senator-.1peffgINNarc
Expires: 6 May 1993
Distribution: na
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Lines: 112
NNTP-Posting-Host: e40-008-5.mit.edu
New England Area Major Flea Market *** DATES *** 1993 P 1 of 2
All events are Ham Radio/ Electronic related except ~_____~
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1993 Contact Source
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3 April Upper Saddle River NJ CRRC 9-3 sell @8 Jack W2EHD 201 768 8360 D
4 April Southington CT SARA @HS $20@6:3 $10@8:3 $3@9 N1GCV 203 621 6191 F
17 April Nashua NH NE Antique RC $5@8 $1@9 @ Res Ctr Church Ray 508 865 1290
18 April Cambridge MA FLEA at MIT Nick 617 253 3776 F
buy $2@9A sellers $10/sp@7A $8in adv $35 for season pass
3rd Sunday Each Month April thru October
18 April Webster MA ECARA @ Pt Breeze Rest $3 tables $10 Gary 203 974 2564 F
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23,24,25 April Dayton OH adm $11 sell $30/50++ evenings 513 767 1107 F
2 May Yonkers NY @Lincoln HS Otto WB2SLQ 914 969 1053 A
7-8 May Rochester NH Hoss Traders @FG ex13 off rt 16 $5 noon fri WA1IVB sase
15 May N Smithfield RI RIFMRS @VFW Main St 8A Rick K1KYI 401 725 7507
16 May Cambridge MA FLEA at MIT Nick 617 253 3776 F
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21-22-23 May Rochester NY ARRL-NY Conv @ Monroe FG Harold K2HC 800 724 8515 F
5 June S Burlington VT Mitch WB2JSJ 802 879 6589
6 June Newington CT @HS Flea Les KA1KRP 203 523 0453
12 June Bangor ME Pine St ARC @Hermon ES 146.34/94 8AM-$2 Roger 207 848 3846
20 June Cambridge MA FLEA at MIT Nick 617 253 3776 F
17 July Nashua NH NE Antique RC $5@8 $1@9 @ Res Ctr Church Ray 508 865 1290
17 July Union ME @ Fairground $3@7AM State Conv Skeet KA1LPW 207 622 2915
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3rd Sunday Each Month April thru October
24 July Manchester NH NHARA @HI 8A$4 NE DC 300Ts (no TG) WB1HBB 603 432 6011 F
8 Aug White Planes NY WECAfest Sarah N2EYX 914 962 9666 D
8 Aug Wellseley MA WARS+BARS @Babson College Barry WN1N 508 877 4947 T
14 Aug St Albans ME @ Snow Mobile Club Hitch K1HHC 207 796 2282
15 Aug Cambridge MA FLEA at MIT Nick 617 253 3776 F
29 Aug Fall River MA BCRA Tom WA1LBK 508 674 4163 T+
11 Sept Windsor ME @ Fairground $3@7AM Skeet KA1LPW 207 622 2915
12 Sept Gaithersburg MD FAR @Mg Cty FG $5@6A- $7TG Nancy Drahim 703 691 0078 J
12 Sept S Dartmouth MA SE Mass ARA 8A- Dan N1HCV 508 933 0678 +
19 Sept Cambridge MA FLEA at MIT Nick 617 253 3776 F
19 Sept Sandy Hook CT Candlewood ARA Harold KB1US A
25 Sept Greenbush ME WCSN/BARC @WCSN xmtr Ed Cockburn 207 732 4366
26 Sept Framingham MA @ HS $12@8 $5@9 $2@10 Barry WN1N 508 877 4947 F
26 Sept Yonkers NY Metro 70 ARC Otto WB2SLQ 914 969 1053 A
15,16 Oct Rochester NH Hoss Traders @FG ex13 off rt 16 $5 noon fri K1RQG
17 Oct Cambridge MA FLEA at MIT Nick 617 253 3776 F
13 Nov Plymouth MA Mayflower RC @Mem Hall 9-3 sell@8 Jim NM1F 508 747 2224
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From: swick@news.Colorado.EDU (Ross Swick)
Subject: Books on I.C.C other than I.C.C.M.
Nntp-Posting-Host: nsidc2.colorado.edu
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: cu
Lines: 21
Can anyone recomend a good book or article on inter-client communications
BESIDES I.C.C.M.?
I've looked everywhere I can and it seems everyone tells you how to do it
but nobody SHOWS you how. O'Reilly has no examples, ICCM has no examples,
Asente & Swick give no examples - in fact most of the books I've looked at,
if they discuss ICC at all, simply give a condensed version of the ICCM and
then refer you to the ICCM. I did find one example of how to use Atoms and
Properties in Young's book and five hours after I bought Young's book I had
my applications talking to each other.
I am not sure, however, if thats the best way. I'd like to stay independent
of Unix so pipes and/or sockets probably aren't the way to go. But within X
one can also use messages, the clipboard, and perhaps window groups.
I need a text that discusses the various methods, discusses which method is best
for which purpose, and gives examples. Without examples it's all just words.
Thanks in advance
Ross
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From: hambidge@bms.com
Subject: Re: Gun Control (was Re: We're Mad as Hell at the TV News)
Reply-To: hambidge@bms.com
Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb
Distribution: na
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In article <C4tM1H.ECF@magpie.linknet.com>, manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes) writes:
>
>For chrissakes, take out your calculator and work out the numbers.
>Here... I've preformatted them for you to make it easier:
>
> handgun homicides/population
> ----------------------------
> Switzerland : 24 / 6,350,000
> UK : 8 / 55,670,000
>
>.... and then tell me again how Switzerland is safer with a more
>liberal handgun law than the UK is without...by RATE or TOTAL NUMBER.
>Your choice.
Please, PAY ATTENTION.
I, and others, were referring to TOTAL HOMICIDE DEATHS, NOT JUST
HANDGUN HOMICIDES. In terms of how likely are you to be killed,
(regardless of how it's done, 'cause DEAD is DEAD), the UK has a
higher homicide rate. Period. You are more likely to be killed in the
UK than in Switzerland. If you were to be murdered with a handgun,
then yes, Switzerland has a higher rate. But, to belabor the point,
you are MORE LIKELY to be murdered in the UK. In that sense, the
weapon is irrelevant. The UK is more violent, period.
Al
[standard disclaimer]
>
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From: raymaker@bcm.tmc.edu (Mark Raymaker)
Subject: graphics driver standards
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
Lines: 21
NNTP-Posting-Host: bcm.tmc.edu
Keywords: graphics,standards
I have a researcher who collecting electical impulses from
the human heart through a complex Analog to Digital system
he has designed and inputting this information into his EISA
bus HP Vectra Computer running DOS and the Phar Lap DOS extender.
He want to purchase a very high-performance video card for
3-D modeling. He is aware of a company called Matrox but
he is concerned about getting married to a company and their
video routine library. He would hope some more flexibility:
to choose between several card manufacturers with a standard
video driver. He would like to write more generic code-
code that could be easily moved to other cards or computer operating
systems in the future. Is there any hope?
Any information would be greatly appreciated-
Please, if possible, respond directly to internet mail
to raymaker@bcm.tmc.edu
Thanks
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From: aa894@Freenet.carleton.ca (Terry MacLean)
Subject: How Do I Modify Key Map?
Organization: National Capital Freenet, Ottawa, Canada
Lines: 35
Hello folks,
I'm seeing these errors when I try to modify my key map:
mwm: invalid accelerator specfication, line x
I've added a line in the start up file before the line
that starts mwm. It looks like the following:
xmodmap keymapfile
mwm
I think that the problem has to do with a conflict between
function keys F1 through F7 which already have assigned
functions (e.g. Move, Minimize, etc).
The odd thing is that I don't see these errors if I run
xmodmap keymapfile
from an xterm.
Can anyone suggest a way to modify the key map, specifically
F1 through F7 AND not have mwm (Motif Window Manager) complain.
I realize this is a bit stupid, but we only have time to
implement, not time to learn how to implement.
Terry
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From: joe@rider.cactus.org (Joe Senner)
Subject: Re: So That's Where the Oil in my K75 Went
Reply-To: joe@rider.cactus.org
Distribution: world
Organization: NOT
Lines: 10
tim@intrepid.gsfc.nasa.gov (Tim Seiss) writes:
]Just wanted to say "Thanks" to everyone who sent me e-mail or
]posted a reply to my question on the oil consumption in my K75S
so what did _you_ decide?
--
Joe Senner joe@rider.cactus.org
Austin Area Ride Mailing List ride@rider.cactus.org
Texas SplatterFest Mailing List fest@rider.cactus.org
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From: bartmich@cwis.isu.edu (BARTA_MICHAEL_D.)
Subject: 1989 Honda Accord LX
Organization: Idaho State University, Pocatello
Lines: 16
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: cwis.isu.edu
************* 1989 HONDA ACCORD LX ***************
Light Brown, Four Door Power Windows, Power Brakes
Power Locks, Power Steering, Power Antenna
AM/FM Cassette, Totally Cloth Interior. VERY NICE!
70,000 miles but excellent condition!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Must Sell, quit my job to go back to school.
Blue book $9,200 in IDAHO
Asking only $8,000 OBO
email bartmich@cwis.isu.edu Phone 208-233-8039
Pocatello, Idaho
--
:-> From Michael Barta's AMIGA2000 <-: send email to
:-> I.S.U. Electronics Student <-: bartmich@cwis.isu.edu
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From: tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock)
Subject: Re: How many Mutlus can dance on the head of a pin?
Article-I.D.: news.2BC0D53B.20378
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Lines: 28
Nntp-Posting-Host: orion.oac.uci.edu
In article <1993Apr5.211146.3662@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Joel Furr) writes:
>In article <3456@israel.nysernet.org> warren@nysernet.org writes:
>>In <C4xKBx.53F@polaris.async.vt.edu> jfurr@polaris.async.vt.edu (Joel Furr) writes:
>>>How many Mutlus can dance on the head of a pin?
>>
>>That reminds me of the Armenian massacre of the Turks.
>>
>>Joel, I took out SCT, are we sure we want to invoke the name of he who
>>greps for Mason Kibo's last name lest he include AFU in his daily
>>rounds?
>
>I dunno, Warren. Just the other day I heard a rumor that "Serdar Argic"
>(aka Hasan Mutlu and Ahmed Cosar and ZUMABOT) is not really a Turk at all,
>but in fact is an Armenian who is attempting to make any discussion of the
>massacres in Armenia of Turks so noise-laden as to make serious discussion
>impossible, thereby cloaking the historical record with a tremendous cloud
>of confusion.
DIs it possible to track down "zuma" and determine who/what/where "seradr" is?
If not, why not? I assu\me his/her/its identity is not shielded by policies
similar to those in place at "anonymous" services.
Tim
D
D
D
Very simpl
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From: pmetzger@snark.shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)
Subject: Re: Fifth Amendment and Passwords
In-Reply-To: caronni@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch's message of Tue, 20 Apr 1993 00:03:59 GMT
Reply-To: pmetzger@lehman.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers
<1993Apr19.180049.20572@qualcomm.com>
<1qv83m$5i2@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>
<1993Apr20.000359.20098@bernina.ethz.ch>
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In article <1993Apr20.000359.20098@bernina.ethz.ch> caronni@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch (Germano Caronni) writes:
Just a question.
As a provider of a public BBS service - aren't you bound by law to gurantee
intelligble access to the data of the users on the BBS, if police comes
with sufficent authorisation ? I guessed this would be a basic condition
for such systems. (I did run a bbs some time ago, but that was in Switzerland)
You are obliged to let the police search the equipment if they have a
proper court order. You are under no legal obligation to keep the data
intelligble. If you wish to run your BBS entirely with all data
encrypted such that if the police show up they cannot read anything,
well, thats their problem. There are no legal restrictions on domestic
use of cryptography in the United States -- YET.
--
Perry Metzger pmetzger@shearson.com
--
Laissez faire, laissez passer. Le monde va de lui meme.
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From: kolstad@cae.wisc.edu (Joel Kolstad)
Subject: Re: Dumb Question: Function Generator
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
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In article <C5J845.3B8@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> dgj2y@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (David Glen Jacobowitz) writes:
>
> I have a new scope and I thought I'd save a few bucks by
>buying one with a function generator built in.
Hmm... now where was that ad for the combination radio/hand cranked
generator/flashlight/siren I saw? :-)
[function generator has a 50mV offset, and the amplitude's too high]
> Is there any way I could make myself a little box that could
>solve this little problem. The box would tkae the function generator
>input, lower the voltage and give an output impedance that is some
>low, unchanging number. I would want to lower the voltage by a factor
>of one hundred or so. I could just build a little buffer amp, but I'd
>like to have this box not be active.
Sure, you've already got the right idea.
Ignoring the 50 ohm internal resistance of the generator for a second, just
run it into, say, a voltage divider made of 990 ohms in series with 10
ohms. This new circuit is the Thevenin equivalent of one that puts out
1/100 of the original voltage, and has an output impedence of negligibly
less than 10 ohms. You may want to monkey with the values a little
depending on whether you care more about the _exact_ dividing ratio or
the availability of parts.
Hows that sound?
---Joel Kolstad
P.S. -- This is why those 1000:1 high voltage probes for multimeters can be
accurate but still cheap. They have something like 100 megs in series with
100k, which doesn't load the (often high impedence) source much, as well as
keeping the (probably 10 meg impedance) multimeter happy.
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From: ranjan@cs.ubc.ca (Vishwa Ranjan)
Subject: Complex (i.e. with real and imaginary parts) bio-medical images..
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Lines: 7
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: ironduke.cs.ubc.ca
Are complex bio-medical images available anywhere on the net for
experimentation? By complex I mean that every sampled data point has
a magnitude and phase information both.
Thanks for any pointers,
--Vishwa
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From: jet@netcom.Netcom.COM (J. Eric Townsend)
Subject: Re: Stolen AARGHHHH.....
In-Reply-To: dam9543@ritvax.isc.rit.edu's message of Wed, 14 Apr 1993 21:53:17 GMT
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Service
Lines: 17
"dam9543" == dam9543 <dam9543@ritvax.isc.rit.edu> writes:
dam9543> I get back drom work today, look at me bike before
dam9543> proceding in-side. I nearly shit, my new DRY RIDER cover is
dam9543> gone! Barely two weeks old, and already gone, GOD-AM
Somebody stole my trashed old Honda red/white/blue cover off a
KZ440LTD in residential Palo Alto a couple of weeks ago. The cover
had *holes* burnt in it around the exhaust, etc etc. I figured it was
just kids, but maybe not...
--
jet@netcom.com -- J. Eric Townsend -- '92 R100R, DoD# (hafta kill you...)
This is my fun account -- work email goes to jet@nas.nasa.gov
"You got to put down the ducky if you wanna play saxophone."
Skate UNIX or die, boyo.
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From: jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Josh Hopkins)
Subject: Re: Space Advertising (2 of 2)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Lines: 24
Wales.Larrison@ofa123.fidonet.org writes:
>the "Environmental
>Billboard" is a large inflatable outer support structure of up to
>804x1609 meters. Advertising is carried by a mylar reflective area,
>deployed by the inflatable 'frame'.
> To help sell the concept, the spacecraft responsible for
>maintaining the billboard on orbit will carry "ozone reading
>sensors" to "continuously monitor the condition of the Earth's
>delicate protective ozone layer," according to Mike Lawson, head of
>SMI. Furthermore, the inflatable billboard has reached its minimum
>exposure of 30 days it will be released to re-enter the Earth's
>atmosphere. According to IMI, "as the biodegradable material burns,
>it will release ozone-building components that will literally
>replenish the ozone layer."
^^^^^^^^^ ^^^ ^^^^^ ^^^^^
Can we assume that this guy studied advertising and not chemistry? Granted
it probably a great advertising gimic, but it doesn't sound at all practical.
--
Josh Hopkins jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
"Find a way or make one."
-attributed to Hannibal
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From: dbrooks@osf.org (David Brooks)
Subject: Re: Q: Colormaps with dialog shells
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Lines: 29
dyoung@media.mit.edu (David Young) writes:
|
| I have an applicationShell which uses a colormap created with
| XCreateColormap() and uses all of the colors available for my 8-bit
| display....When I popup a dialogShell to prompt the user for
| some input I want the XmNdialogStyle to be set to
| XmDIALOG_PRIMARY_APPLICATION_MODAL. The result is that if my cursor is
| over the dialogShell I get my colormap, but if the cursor is over the
| applicationShell (or any window other than the dialogShell) I get the
| default colormap. But I'd like it so that if my cursor is over _any_
| window of my application, I get my colormap.
I *think* this is correct behavior. Remember the default
colormapFocusPolicy is keyboard (meaning the cmap focus follows the
keyboard focus). Since the dialog is modal, mwm won't allow keyboard
focus onto your main shell, and so it won't allow cmap focus either.
Since it sounds as though you have keyboardFocusPolicy:pointer, I
suggest you set colormapFocusPolicy:pointer also. That way, the cmap
focus won't slavishly follow keyboard focus, but will beat its own path.
(if you have keyboardFocusPolicy: explicit, you can set cmap focus
explicit also, but you then need a binding to f.focus_color, probably on
MB1).
--
David Brooks dbrooks@osf.org
Open Software Foundation uunet!osf.org!dbrooks
Showres soote my foote
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From: ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea)
Subject: Re: OTO, the Ancient Order of Oriental Templars
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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Reply-To: ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu
In a previous article, Thyagi@cup.portal.com (Thyagi Morgoth NagaSiva) says:
>
>"It is known only to a few that there exists an external visible
>organization of such men and women, who having themselves found
>the path to real self-knowledge, and who, having travelled the
>burning sands, are willing to give the benefit of their experience,
>and to act as spiritual guides to those who are willing to be
>guided.
>"While numberless societies, associations, orders, groups etc.
>have been founded during the last thirty years in all parts of
>the civilised world, all following some line of occult study,
>yet there is but ONE ancient organization of genuine Mystics
>
Up to that point I thought you were talking about the
Rosicrucian Order... :-) [No offense intended!]
Tony
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From: alvin@spot.Colorado.EDU (Kenneth Alvin)
Subject: Re: Certainty and Arrogance
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Lines: 66
In article <Apr.13.00.08.33.1993.28409@athos.rutgers.edu> kilroy@gboro.rowan.edu (Dr Nancy's Sweetie) writes:
>Dean Velasco quoted a letter from James M Stowell, president of
>Moody Bible Institute:
>
>> We affirm the absolutes of Scripture, not because we are arrogant
>> moralists, but because we believe in God who is truth, who has revealed
>> His truth in His Word, and therefore we hold as precious the strategic
>> importance of those absolutes."
>
>There has been a lot of discussion, but so far nobody seems to have hit on
>exactly what the criticism of "arrogance" is aimed at.
>
> <lots of stuff deleted>
>
>This is where the "arrogance of Christians" arises: many people believe
>that their own personal research can give them absolute certainty about the
>doctrines of Christianity -- they are implicitly claiming that they are
>infallible, and that there is no possibility of mistake.
>
>Claiming that you CANNOT have made a mistake, and that your thinking has led
>you to a flawless conclusion, is pretty arrogant.
I agree with what Darren has to say here, but would like to add a
personal observation. What I see as arrogance and the problem I have
with it is not a sense of personal certainty, but a lack of respect for
others who come to differing conclusions. Clearly, this is not just
Christian vs. Non-Christian; there is a whole spectrum of belief systems
within Christianity. I do not tend to argue with others about matters
of personal faith because, like aesthetics, it is not demonstable by
objective means.
Choosing what to believe and rely on are important areas of personal
sovereignty. What bothers me is when others suggest that, in these
matters of faith, their specific beliefs are not only true to them
but are absolute and should be binding on others. It follows from this
that God must give everyone the same revelation of truth, and thus
anyone who comes to a different conclusion is intentionally choosing
the wrong path. This is the arrogance I see; a lack of respect for the
honest conclusions of others on matters which are between them and God.
Even a personal certainty leaves room for the beliefs of others. It is
universalizing those matters of personal faith, coupled by a proud
notion that one's relationship with God is superior to other's, that
leads to arrogance. In my honest (and nonuniversal) opinion. :-)
>Darren F Provine / kilroy@gboro.rowan.edu
>"At the core of all well-founded belief, lies belief that is unfounded."
> -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
comments, criticism welcome...
-Ken
alvin@ucsu.colorado.edu
[It is certainly reasonable to ask for some humility about our own
ability to know the truth. There are also different paths in some
areas of practice. But I'd like to see more clarification about what
you mean when you reject the idea of saying "their specific beliefs
are not only true to them but are absolute and should be binding on
others." If something is true, it is true for everyone, assuming that
the belief is something about God, history, etc. Of course something
of the form "I believe that it's best for me not to xxx" could be true
for some people and not others. I have suggested in the past that God
may be less concerned about doctrinal agreement than many people are.
But that doesn't mean I doubt that there is a difference between
true and false, nor that I think there is no benefit in finding out
what is true. --clh]
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From: jhart@agora.rain.com (Jim Hart)
Subject: Screw the people, crypto is for hard-core hackers & spooks only
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Lines: 37
Since the AT&T wiretap chip is scheduled to be distributed
internationally, allowing the U.S. government to spy on foreign
governments, companies and people as as well as to wiretap domestic
citizens, this is a world-wide issue. Thus Distribution: world.
ygoland@wright.seas.ucla.edu (The Jester) writes:
>However assuming that I can still encrypt things as I please, who
>cares about the clipper chip?
Why do we hackers care about the Clipper chip? Do we give a shit
about anybody's privacy accept our own? And perhaps not even our
own; are we so smart that we always know when we're talking to
somebody who has a wiretap on their phone?
I find the "call thru your computer" ideas may reflect this attitude.
Ideas that are of, by, and for hackers, and don't help anybody in the
real world, aren't going to do anybody much good, including ourselves
where voice phones are concerned.
We *do* need an alternative to NSA-bugged telephones, but
we're talking inexpensive *telephones* here, including hand-sized
cellulars, that need strong crypto, real privacy. Make-shift
computer hacker rigs that require living by your computer to
talk privately over the phone are just a dumb stunt that doesn't
do anything for anybody's privacy in the real world.
What we need is a true *privacy chip*. For example, a real-time
voice-encryption RSA, silicon compile it and spit out ASIC.
Put this chip on the market as a de facto standard for international
business, diplomats, and private communications. If the U.S. bans
it, we make it somewhere else and import it. The Japanese, German,
Dutch, Taiwanese, Korean, etc. electronics companies don't want the
NSA spying on them. U.S. workers lose more jobs to government fascist
stupidity.
jhart@agora.rain.com
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From: ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich)
Subject: Why does US consider YIGAL ARENS to be a dangerous to humanity
Organization: Math department, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, ISRAEL
Lines: 20
In article <ARENS.93Apr13161407@grl.ISI.EDU> arens@ISI.EDU (Yigal
Arens) writes:
>Los Angeles Times, Tuesday, April 13, 1993. P. A1.
> ........
The problem if transffering US government files about Yigal Arens
and some other similar persons does or does not violate a federal
or a local American law seemed to belong to some local american law
forum not to this forum.
The readers of this forum seemed to be more interested in the contents
of those files.
So It will be nice if Yigal will tell us:
1. Why do American authorities consider Yigal Arens to be dangerous?
2. Why does the ADL have an interest in that person ?
3. If one does trust either the US government or the ADL what an
additional information should he send them ?
Gideon Ehrlich
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From: david@ganglion.ann-arbor.mi.us (David Hwang)
Subject: Re: SHO and SC
Organization: D.J. Services
Lines: 21
In article <5214@unisql.UUCP> wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:
>In article <chrissC587qB.D1B@netcom.com> chriss@netcom.com (Chris Silvester) writes:
>
>>WAGON, which I have heard is somehow slightly faster than the Coupe.
>
> Wagon has an automatic, it's slower.
>
Could be due to the rear-end ratio also.
Usually automatics have different rear-ends than manuals, from
my limited experience anyways.
David
>
>
--
David W. Hwang, M.D. // University of Michigan Medical School
1050 Wall Street, Suite 10C // Telephone: 313/663-5557
Ann Arbor, Michigan 48105 // Internet: david@ganglion.ann-arbor.mi.us
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From: u96_averba@vaxc.stevens-tech.edu
Subject: Arythmia
Lines: 11
Organization: Stevens Institute Of Technology
I don't know if anyone knows about this topic: electrical heart
failure. One of my friends has had to go to the doctor because
he had chest pains. The Doc said it was Arythmia. So he had to
go to a new york hospital for a lot of money to get treated. His
doctors said that he could die from it, and the medication caused
cancer ( that he was taking). Well, I suggested that he run, excersize
and eat more, ( he is very skinny) but he says that has nothing
to do with it. Does anyone know what causes arythmia and how
it can be treated?
Thanks
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From: kingoz@camelot.bradley.edu (Orin Roth)
Subject: Re: PHILS, NL EAST NOT SO WEAK
Nntp-Posting-Host: camelot.bradley.edu
Organization: Bradley University
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In <1993Apr15.214133.3371@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu> apanjabi@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu writes:
>I Love it how all of these people are "blaming" the Phillies success
>on a weak division. Why don't we look at the record of the teams in
>each division (READ: Inter-Divisional Play), we'll see that the East
>is really kicking the shit out of the West. I know it is early, but
>that is all we have to go on. Atlanta is just so strong with their
>.188 BA, Cincinnati is 2-7 coming off a sweep at Veteran's Stadium in
>Philadelphia, and Houston was swept in it's first three games by the
>Phillies in the Astrodome. That, my Western Division friends, shows
>that the three best teams in your division may not be as strong as you
>think!!
Or you may be posting this WAY TOO EARLY and be eating your words by
mid-season. C'mon, the Phillies haven't proved anything yet. Atlanta
was similar to the Phils 2 years ago. They sucked. They started having
a good year, but didn't get any respect until they actually won the
division. (which is how it should be) So until the Phils AT LEAST
have a good year, not just a good 2 weeks, they won't get any respect
either. BTW, Atlanta's .188 BA is actually a compliment to how good
the Braves really are. Their record is 6-3. Can you imagine the Phils
record if they were batting .188? hahahaha. And Atlanta's hitting will
improve dramatically.
No, I'm not a Braves fan. Just defending a good team.
Orin.
Bradley U.
>PHILS ALL THE WAY IN '93
>BRAVES HIT LIKE A AAA CLUB
>REDS NEED MARGE
> -BOB
--
I'm really a jester in disguise!
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From: joslin@pogo.isp.pitt.edu (David Joslin)
Subject: Re: Language and agreement
Organization: Intelligent Systems Program
Lines: 59
I responded to Jim's other articles today, but I see that I neglected
to respond to this one. I wouldn't want him to think me a hypocrite
for not responding to *every* stupid article on t.r.m.
m23364@mwunix.mitre.org (James Meritt) writes:
>From my handy dictionary:
[dictionary definitions of "not" "disagree" and "agree" deleted]
>Please operationally differentiate between "not disagree" and "agree".
Oh, but I'm weary of trying to wade through Jim's repertoire of
red herrings and smoke screens.
Let's see what we get when we run all four articles posted by Jim today
through the 'discord' filter (a Markov chain program that Steve Lamont
was kind enough to send me):
Taking action? A white geese be held
as an accomplice to be held as
a decision upon the door
A black and white goose waddles past
the eyes of the door.
Hits it with the confidence interval for
that individual is held responsible
for that, that individual
may be held as a
getaway car may be held
as an uncountably large number
of the driver of something
and agree.
A black goose
waddles past the person imprisoned?
White goose waddles past the
confidence interval for the population
of geese be axed,
fine.
And white goose
waddles past the door.
Does running Jim's articles through 'discord' make them more
coherent? Less coherent?
Or has 'discord' turned Jim's articles into an angst-ridden poem
about making choices in a world filled with uncertainty, yet being
held responsible for the choices we make? Do the geese symbolize
an inner frustration with ambiguity, a desire that everything be
black and white, with no shades of gray? Does the "getaway car"
tell us that to try to renounce the existential nature of our
being is not to "get away" from responsibility for our actions,
but rather to take the role of the passive accomplice, the
"driver" of the getaway car, as it were? Does the juxtaposition
of man and machine, car and driver, reveal a subtext: an internal
conflict between determinism and moral responsibility?
Or am I reading too much into a collaboration between Jim and
a random number generator?
dj
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From: erics@netcom.com (Eric Smith)
Subject: Re: Infield Fly Rule
Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Lines: 31
jrogoff@scott.skidmore.edu (jay rogoff) writes:
>One last infield fly question that has always puzzled me and hasn't
>yet been addressed. I believe the rule also does *not* deal with this
>situation:
>If Infield Fly is declared and the ball is caught, runners can tag up
>and advance at their own risk, as on any fly ball.
>However, if the Infield Fly is *not* caught, at what point can a
>runner legally leave his base w/o fear of being doubled off for
>advancing too early? When the
>ball hits the ground? When a fielder first touches the ball after it
>hits the ground?
>Enlightenment would be appreciated.
I'm not sure I understand this question. When the IF rule is invoked,
the batter is automatically out. This relieves the runners from being
forced to advance to the next base if the ball is not caught. Other
than that, isn't it just the same as any situation in which a runner on
a base is not forced to the next base on a dropped fly ball? That is,
if the ball is caught he can tag up and run (or decide to stay), and
if the ball is dropped he can have left the base at any time.
-----
Eric Smith
erics@netcom.com
erics@infoserv.com
CI$: 70262,3610
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From: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Vesselin Bontchev)
Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption
Reply-To: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de
Organization: Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg
Distribution: na
Lines: 268
clipper@csrc.ncsl.nist.gov (Clipper Chip Announcement) writes:
> The President today announced a new initiative that will bring
> the Federal Government together with industry in a voluntary
> program to improve the security and privacy of telephone
> communications while meeting the legitimate needs of law
> enforcement.
A nice formulation for the introduction of the first encryption
devices with built-in trapdoors - just like the Feds wanted...
> For too long there has been little or no dialogue between our
> private sector and the law enforcement community to resolve the
> tension between economic vitality and the real challenges of
> protecting Americans. Rather than use technology to accommodate
> the sometimes competing interests of economic growth, privacy and
> law enforcement, previous policies have pitted government against
> industry and the rights of privacy against law enforcement.
Bla-bla.
> protect electronic mail and computer files. While encryption
> technology can help Americans protect business secrets and the
> unauthorized release of personal information, it also can be used
> by terrorists, drug dealers, and other criminals.
Indeed, and the current proposal does nothing to prevent the latter.
> an ordinary telephone. It scrambles telephone communications
> using an encryption algorithm that is more powerful than many in
> commercial use today.
This doesn't say much. There are many incredibly weak encryption
algorithms in commercial use today...
> This new technology will help companies protect proprietary
> information, protect the privacy of personal phone conversations
> and prevent unauthorized release of data transmitted
> electronically.
Except from the government.
> At the same time this technology preserves the
> ability of federal, state and local law enforcement agencies to
> intercept lawfully the phone conversations of criminals.
Nope. The criminals won't be stupid enough to use the new chip,
they'll use something secure. This technology provides only means to
intercept the phone conversations of people who are stupid enough to
use it.
> agencies to decode messages encoded by the device. When the
> device is manufactured, the two keys will be deposited separately
> in two "key-escrow" data bases that will be established by the
> Attorney General. Access to these keys will be limited to
> government officials with legal authorization to conduct a
> wiretap.
That is, the government has the keys. It doesn't matter much if they
are in one or in two of its hands...
> The "Clipper Chip" technology provides law enforcement with no
> new authorities to access the content of the private
> conversations of Americans.
Correct. It does, however, provide those Americans with the false
sense of privacy.
> devices. In addition, respected experts from outside the
> government will be offered access to the confidential details of
> the algorithm to assess its capabilities and publicly report
> their findings.
If the screening is not public, it cannot be trusted. Some people do
not trust DES even today, after all the examinations - only because
some parts of its design were kept secret.
> The chip is an important step in addressing the problem of
> encryption's dual-edge sword: encryption helps to protect the
> privacy of individuals and industry, but it also can shield
> criminals and terrorists. We need the "Clipper Chip" and other
> approaches that can both provide law-abiding citizens with access
> to the encryption they need and prevent criminals from using it
> to hide their illegal activities. In order to assess technology
So they'll use a different technology to hide their illegal
activities. So will those law-abiding citizens, who do not trust their
government not to misuse its abilities to decrypt their conversations.
> -- the privacy of our citizens, including the need to
> employ voice or data encryption for business purposes;
Except from the government.
> -- the need of U.S. companies to manufacture and export
> high technology products.
Huh? Later it says that the new technology will be export restricted.
> Since encryption technology will play an increasingly important
> role in that infrastructure, the Federal Government must act
> quickly to develop consistent, comprehensive policies regarding
> its use. The Administration is committed to policies that
> protect all Americans' right to privacy while also protecting
> them from those who break the law.
In short, the new technology can:
1) Protect the law abiding citizen's privacy from the casual snooper.
It cannot:
1) Protect him from the government, if it decides to misuse its
ability to decrypt the conversations.
2) Protect him from the criminals who succeed to break the new
encryption scheme or to steal the keys, or to bribe the people who
handle them, etc.
3) Prevent the criminals from using secure encryption for
communication.
> Q: Does this approach expand the authority of government
> agencies to listen in on phone conversations?
> A: No. "Clipper Chip" technology provides law enforcement with
> no new authorities to access the content of the private
> conversations of Americans.
Correct. However, it does not provide them that much privacy as it
claims.
> Q: Who will run the key-escrow data banks?
> A: The two key-escrow data banks will be run by two independent
> entities. At this point, the Department of Justice and the
> Administration have yet to determine which agencies will
> oversee the key-escrow data banks.
Two candidates: the NSA and the Mafia.
> Q: How strong is the security in the device? How can I be sure
> how strong the security is?
> A: This system is more secure than many other voice encryption
> systems readily available today.
That is, "trust us".
> While the algorithm will
> remain classified to protect the security of the key escrow
"Security through obscurity".
> system, we are willing to invite an independent panel of
> cryptography experts to evaluate the algorithm to assure all
> potential users that there are no unrecognized
> vulnerabilities.
If it's not entirely open to public examination, it cannot be
trusted. Besides, who can prove that the devices used for examination
and the ones built into your phones will be the same?
> Q: Whose decision was it to propose this product?
> A: The National Security Council, the Justice Department, the
The NSA and the FBI?
> Q: Who was consulted? The Congress? Industry?
> A: We have on-going discussions with Congress and industry on
> encryption issues, and expect those discussions to intensify
> as we carry out our review of encryption policy. We have
> briefed members of Congress and industry leaders on the
> decisions related to this initiative.
Why did they "forget" the Academia?
> Q: Will the government provide the hardware to manufacturers?
> A: The government designed and developed the key access
> encryption microcircuits, but it is not providing the
> microcircuits to product manufacturers. Product
> manufacturers can acquire the microcircuits from the chip
> manufacturer that produces them.
Doesn't this smell to monopolism?
> Q: Who provides the "Clipper Chip"?
> A: Mykotronx programs it at their facility in Torrance,
> California, and will sell the chip to encryption device
> manufacturers. The programming function could be licensed
> to other vendors in the future.
Like the Mafia?
> Q: If the Administration were unable to find a technological
> solution like the one proposed, would the Administration be
> willing to use legal remedies to restrict access to more
> powerful encryption devices?
This is the main question, why was it buried at the end?
> A: This is a fundamental policy question which will be
> considered during the broad policy review. The key escrow
"We'll see".
> mechanism will provide Americans with an encryption product
> that is more secure, more convenient, and less expensive
> than others readily available today, but it is just one
"Trust us".
> The Administration is not saying, "since encryption
> threatens the public safety and effective law enforcement,
> we will prohibit it outright" (as some countries have
In short, "If we decide to outlaw strong crypto, we'll tell you".
> effectively done); nor is the U.S. saying that "every
> American, as a matter of right, is entitled to an
> unbreakable commercial encryption product." There is a
Since the US government seems to consider strong crypto as munitions
and since the US constitutions guarantees the right to every American
to bear arms, why is not every American entitled, as a matter of
right, to an unbreakable commercial encryption product?
> A: It indicates that we understand the importance of encryption
> technology in telecommunications and computing and are
> committed to working with industry and public-interest
> groups to find innovative ways to protect Americans'
> privacy, help businesses to compete, and ensure that law
> enforcement agencies have the tools they need to fight crime
> and terrorism.
Bullshit. The proposed technology provides a false sense of security,
encryption devices with built-in capabilities for breaking the
encryption, does not prevent the criminals to use strong crypto, and
is a step to outlaw strong crypto.
> Q: Will the devices be exportable? Will other devices that use
> the government hardware?
> A: Voice encryption devices are subject to export control
> requirements. Case-by-case review for each export is
> required to ensure appropriate use of these devices. The
Who was the optimist who believed that the new administration will
leave the export controls on strong crypto devices?
OK, I'm not American, it's not my business, but I just couldn't resist
to comment... The whole plot looks so totalitaristic... It's up to
you, Americans, to fight for your rights.
Regards,
Vesselin
P.S. Now is the time for David Sternlight to pop up and claim that the
new system is great.
--
Vesselin Vladimirov Bontchev Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg
Tel.:+49-40-54715-224, Fax: +49-40-54715-226 Fachbereich Informatik - AGN
< PGP 2.2 public key available on request. > Vogt-Koelln-Strasse 30, rm. 107 C
e-mail: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de D-2000 Hamburg 54, Germany
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From: wild@access.digex.com (wildstrom)
Subject: Re: Windows 3.1 keeps crashing: Please HELP
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Lines: 17
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net
>In article <1993Apr16.155637.15398@oracle.us.oracle.com> ebosco@us.oracle.com (Eric Bosco) writes:
>>From: ebosco@us.oracle.com (Eric Bosco)
>>Subject: Windows 3.1 keeps crashing: Please HELP
>>Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 15:56:37 GMT
>>
>>As the subjects says, Windows 3.1 keeps crashing (givinh me GPF) on me of
>>late. It was never a very stable package, but now it seems to crash every
>>day. The worst part about it is that it does not crash consistently: ie I
There is a way in SYS.INI to turn off RAM parity checking (unfortunately,
my good Windows references are at home, but any standard Win reference
will tell you how to do it. If not, email back to me.) That weird memory
may be producing phony parity errors. Danger is, if you turn checkling off,
you run the slight risk of data corruption due to a missed real error.
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From: pebi@aem.umn.edu (Peter A. Bidian)
Subject: Re: Cache card for IIsi
Nntp-Posting-Host: zephyr.aem.umn.edu
Organization: University of Minnesota
Lines: 5
Hi, I bought a while ago a Cache Card w/ FPU from Techworks. It was 219$.
I think that was the cheapest I ever saw.
Peter
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Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more.
From: a_rubin@dsg4.dse.beckman.com (Arthur Rubin)
<a_rubin.735242424@dsg4.dse.beckman.com> <1993Apr20.151718.2576@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Distribution: na
Organization: Beckman Instruments, Inc.
Nntp-Posting-Host: dsg4.dse.beckman.com
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In <1993Apr20.151718.2576@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jebright@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (James R Ebright) writes:
>In article a_rubin@dsg4.dse.beckman.com (Arthur Rubin) writes:
>>I wouldn't trust the NSA. I think I would trust the President on this, but
>>I'm not certain he would be told.
>"I am not a crook." President Richard M. Nixon
> ^^^^^^^^^
THIS President. (And I could easily be wrong.)
--
Arthur L. Rubin: a_rubin@dsg4.dse.beckman.com (work) Beckman Instruments/Brea
216-5888@mcimail.com 70707.453@compuserve.com arthur@pnet01.cts.com (personal)
My opinions are my own, and do not represent those of my employer.
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From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
Subject: Re: How to act in front of traffic jerks
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View
Lines: 19
In article <1qmvutINN3he@lynx.unm.edu> galway@chtm.eece.unm.edu (Denis McKeon) writes:
}In heavy traffic I slow down a bit, mostly so I have more buffer zone in
}front to balance the minimal buffer behind, but I also often find that the
}jerk behind will notice traffic moving faster in other lanes, switch
}into one of them, and pass me - which is fine, because then I can keep a
}better eye on the jerk from behind, while looking ahead, rather than
}from in front, while splitting my attention between ahead and the mirrors.
This is pretty damned complicated. I just make a "back off" motion with
my hand/arm, and the second or third time even the most braindead cager
backs off. If they don't back off then, I find a way to get the hell out
of there -- the cager is either psychotic, drunk, or just a complete
asshole. In any case, I don't want to be anywhere near, and especially
not in front.
--
Curtis Jackson cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com '91 Hawk GT '81 Maxim 650
DoD#0721 KotB '91 Black Lab mix "Studley Doright" '92 Collie/Golden "George"
"There is no justification for taking away individuals' freedom
in the guise of public safety." -- Thomas Jefferson
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From: SITUNAYA@IBM3090.BHAM.AC.UK
Subject: Any good Morphing Anims...
Organization: The University of Birmingham, United Kingdom
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Has anyone created any interesting animations using Dmorph
I seem to be unable to create anything that looks remotely
realistic although this is probably due to the crappy GIF's
at I am using (One of Captain Kirk and One of Spock), i'm a
bit of a 'Trekker'. What are the best type of pictures to use.
thanks........
A.Situnayake
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From: dscy@eng.cam.ac.uk (D.S.C. Yap)
Subject: Re: This year's biggest and worst (opinion)...
Keywords: NHL, awards
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smale@healthy.uwaterloo.ca (Bryan Smale) writes:
> Team Biggest Biggest
>Team: MVP: Surprise: Disappointment:
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
>Washington Capitals Hatcher Bondra/Cote Elynuik
>Winnipeg Jets Selanne Selanne Druce
^^^^^^^^
weren't these two
traded for each
other? Poetic justice.
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From: rwf2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ROBERT WILLIAM FUSI)
Subject: Re: Most bang for $13k
Organization: Lehigh University
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In article <1993Apr17.014638.56998@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, rwf2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (R
OBERT WILLIAM FUSI) writes:
>In article <23056.74.uupcb@cutting.hou.tx.us>, david.bonds@cutting.hou.tx.us (D
a
>vid Bonds) writes:
>>In rec.autos, CPKJP@vm.cc.latech.edu (Kevin Parker) writes:
>> I'd like to get some feedback on a car with most bang for the buck in the
>> $13000 to 16,000 price range. I'm looking for a car with enough civility to b
e
>> driven every day, or even on long trips, but when I hit the gas, I want to fe
e
>l
>>
>>Take a look at a '91 Taurus SHO - they can be found for ~13k, and are the
>>ultimate in 4 door sports cars. Performance similar to a Mustang, but
>>quite civil and comfortable... Try to get a late model 91 for the better
>>shifter.
>>
>>
>
>>----
>>The Cutting Edge BBS (cutting.hou.tx.us) A PCBoard 14.5a system
>>Houston, Texas, USA +1.713.466.1525 running uuPCB
>
>>Well, you could always go with a 5.0 Mustang LX with a pleasant V8, but the
>diamond star cars (Talon/Eclipse/Laser) put out 190 hp in the turbo models,
>and 195 hp in the AWD turbo models, These cars also have handling to match
>the muscle, and are civil in regular driving conditions, rather than having a
>harsh, stiff ride....The AWD Turbo is clearly the better choice of the two
>(because of all that torque steer on the front drive model), but you may have
>to go with a leftover or "slightly" used model for that price range....tough
>decision...
>
> Rob Fusi
> rwf2@lehigh.edu
>
>--
> Car and Driver did a test with the same basic idea and chose the Ford Probe
GT (5sp of course)
>
--
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From: abea@az.stratus.com (Art Beattie)
Subject: Re: Quadra SCSI Problems???
Organization: Stratus Computers, Inc.
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In article <katinka@FenK.wau.nl> (Katinka van der Linden) writes:
} I would like more info on this if anybody has it. Our Exabyte
} 8500 tapedrive has never been working from the Quadra 950.
} We have been trying it since September 1992, replaced cabling,
} inits, I don't know what all. All the "industry experts" we
} phoned (the tapedrive dealer, our Apple dealer, the software
} dealer) all say it's our fault, or they don't know. The last
} thing they said was that we needed a special Quadra SCSI terminator
} (???). Anybody know more? Thanks,
In article <1993Apr19.131311.25871@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu>, nodine@lcs.mit.edu
(Mark H. Nodine) wrote:
>
> In article <C5L39p.2qz@news.udel.edu>, johnston@me.udel.edu (Bill Johnston) writes:
> |> In article <1993Apr16.144750.1568@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> nodine@lcs.mit.edu (Mark H. Nodine) writes:
> |> >I don't know about the specific problem mentioned in your
> |> >message, but I definitely had SCSI problems between my
> |> >Q700 and my venerable Jasmine Megadrive 10 cartridge
> |> >drives. My solution was to get Silverlining. None of
> |> >the loops that involved blind writes worked to the drives;
> |> >in fact the only loop that worked was the "Macintosh
> |> >Software" loop (whatever that means).
> |>
> |> I doubt this is a Quadra-specific problem. I had to get
> |> rid of my "venerable" Bernoulli 20 last year (with enough
> |> cartridges purchased at ~$90 each to make the whole thing
> |> worth more than my whole computer ;). The tech support guys
> |> at Ocean Microsystems suggested that some third-party drivers
> |> might fix the problem - in my case the cartridges wouldn't
> |> format/mount/partition for A/UX.
>
> All I know is that the Megadrives worked perfectly on both my
> Mac Plus and my Powerbook 140. It was for this reason I assumed
> the problem had something to do with the Quadra. Even with the
> Quadra, they mostly worked OK. The problem occurred when I ejected
> a cartridge from a drive: it would start popping up dialog boxes
> saying "This cartridge must be formatted with Jasmine Driveware"
> even though there was no cartridge in the drive.
>
> --Mark
I have been using the PLI (SONY) 3.5" MO drive and now a Sharp color
scanner using standard SCSI cables and STANDARD $20 terminator on my Q700.
No problems. If you were using a IIfx, that might be another story.
Make sure there is only one terminator in the cabling and it must be at the
end. Some boxes have internal terminators; some can be switched out and
others are socketted. These count. If the box with internal terminations
cannot be put on the end to terminate the cabling, they have to be
disabled, ie, switched out or pulled out of their sockets. If you have 2
boxes with internal terminations, the terminations in one box has to be
disabled...., etc. I am sure that this has been covered by the "experts".
My experience with SCSI boxes that connect to the Mac indicates that they
must have some software package for the Mac to 'talk' to them. My PLI MO
drive and Sharp scanner has one for each.
Good luck.
Art Beattie
==============================================================
I only speak for myself.
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From: cmmiller@iastate.edu (C. M. Miller)
Subject: Re: LCIII vs. Centris 610?
Article-I.D.: news.C51s6w.9nr
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
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In article <1993Apr5.221603.17245@nctams1.uucp> tomj@pnet16.cts.com (Tom Jenkins) writes:
>Title says it all. I'd be particularly interested in the performance
>difference. Just how much faster (50%?) is the Centris 610 over the LCIII?
>
>--Tom
>
>UUCP: humu!nctams1!pnet16!tomj
>ARPA: humu!nctams1!pnet16!tomj@nosc.mil
>INET: tomj@pnet16.cts.com
When Apple came with their demos to Iowa State, I got a chance to run
Speedometer3.1 on some of the new Macs. Both machines were running
System7.1, had a 14" RGB. Don't know what the caches were set to.
Neither machine had an FPU It appears that the Centris610 is quite a
bit faster than the LC III:
Centris610 LCIII
CPU 13.01 6.92
Graf 15.67 7.69
Disk 2.22 2.44
Math 25.57 10.19
P.R. Rating 12.91 6.58
So, there is a comparison. There is definitely a very noticable speed
difference between these two machines according to Speedometer3.1.
Chad
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From: Iris_-_Smith@cup.portal.com
Subject: Re: Drawing Lines (inverse/xor)
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
<1993Apr21.111919.5281@alf.uib.no> <DRAND.93Apr21114830@spinner.osf.org>
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You can also set the Foreground to the XOR of the foreground and background
colors: XSetForeground(..., fg ^ bg); This works great for me (at least
with TrueColor visuals).
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From: pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto)
Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption
Distribution: na
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In article <1qnpjuINN8ci@gap.caltech.edu> hal@cco.caltech.edu (Hal Finney) writes:
>brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) writes:
>
>>Their strategy is a business one rather than legal one. They are
>>pushing to get a standard in place, a secret standard, and if they
>>get it as a standard then they will drive competitors out of the market.
>>It will be legal to sell better, untapable encryption that doesn't have
>>registered keys, but it will be difficult, and thus not a plan for
>>most phone companies.
>
>If Brad's analysis is correct, it may offer an explanation for why the
>encryption algorithm is being kept secret. This will prevent competitors
>from coming out with Clipper-compatible phones which lack the government-
>installed "back door." The strategy Brad describes will only work as long
>as the only way to get compatible phones is to have ones with the government
>chips.
>
>(It would be nice, from the point of view of personal privacy, if Brad
>turns out to be right. As long as people still have the power to provide
>their own encryption in place of or in addition to the Clipper, privacy
>is still possible. But the wording of several passages in the announcement
>makes me doubt whether this will turn out to be true.)
Even if what Brad says turns out to be accurate, you can bet that the
Administration will have made it "very clear" to the vendors that "it
would very much be in their best interests" to institute a "voluntary"
policy of refusing to sell anything but Clinton Cripple equipped equipment
to anyone other than "Authorized government agencies and Law Enforcement",
or individuals and corporations who "have been been determined by the
Administration to have a valid need on a case-by-case basis" for an
effective system.
Note that this is very much like the language used in many gun control
bills/laws the Administration is pushing for, or otherwise supporting.
The logic and actual rationale (as opposed to the excuses that get fed
to the media) is the same in both cases, only the items or technology
in question are different.
I think this is no accident. It comes from the same philosophy that
the government rules/controls the people, not the people controlling
the government, that the unconnected citizens are not sophisticated enough
to know what is best for them, so the government must tell the people
what they need or do not need ... "we know best...". And the idea that
that a commoner can defend himself against government eavesdropping
or unlawful attack is totally unacceptable to people with this outlook.
>
>Hal Finney
Combine this all with pushing for national identity cards with 'smart
chips' to encode anything they please (internal passport) under the
guise of streamlining the State People's Health Care System, and with
(you can be certain) more jewels yet to come, and one sees an extremely
ominous trend. So what if "1984" will be ten years late... it still is
turning out to be an amazingly accurate prophecy... unless a LOT of
people wake up, and in a hurry.
One should ALWAYS have every red warning light and bell and danger flag
come up when the government seeks to set itself apart in regard to
rights, etc. from the unconnected/unprivileged citizen (or should we
now be saying 'subject' instead?)... Why SHOULDN'T the average person
have a good, secure system of data security, not dependent on nebulous
'safeguards' for maintaining that security? Why SHOULDN'T the average
person be able to defend himself from an agency gone rogue? 0I am sure
the Feds could break into any data they really wanted to (but it would
take some WORK), and using the same logic, one should not be allowed to
have a good safe, unless a duplicate of the key(s) or combination are
submitted for 'safekeeping' by the government? I don't really see a
difference, philosophically. Encrypted data sure won't evaporate, not
with such high-tech tools as a TAPE RECORDER...
--
pat@rwing.uucp [Without prejudice UCC 1-207] (Pat Myrto) Seattle, WA
If all else fails, try: ...!uunet!pilchuck!rwing!pat
WISDOM: "Only two things are infinite; the universe and human stupidity,
and I am not sure about the former." - Albert Einstien
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From: wild@access.digex.com (wildstrom)
Subject: Re: Win NT - what is it???
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
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rmohns@vax.clarku.edu writes:
>Chicogo is what I want to use. It is, like NT, a true OS with thrue
>multitasking and multithreading, but has much smaller hardware requirements,
>and does not meet DOD security specs (but that's okay since it will probably
>be more of a client OS). there are a few otehr differences, but those are the
>main ones. There was an article about Chicogo in PC Week last August.
> The Chicogo and NT development groups at Micro$oft are in intense
>competition, so it is said. However, I think a different relationship will
>arise: NT will be the server (*N*etowrk *T*echonology), Chicogo will be the
>client machine. It is entirely possible for different OS's to work together,
>partly because Chicogo is just a small NT (think of it that way, anyway).
>(Novell Netware creates an OS on the server that is truly not DOS, so don't
>scorn the concept.)
> Anyway, don't expect it soon. Windows 4 and DOS 7 are supposed to be
>released next year (read: see it in 95), so I expect that Chicogo won't be out
>til '96.
How does Chicago differ from the (sort of) announced Windows 4. My understand-
ing, at least from the InbfoWorld accound of Windows 4 is that it's sort
of NT Lite--a full-fledged operating system but lacking server and security
features that make NT such a bear. Is W4 not true multithreading?
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From: shz@mare.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude)
Subject: Re: Live Free, but Quietly, or Die
Organization: Office of 'Tude Licensing
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In article <1qegpf$d0i@sixgun.East.Sun.COM>, egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:
> I know it sounds ludicrous for a biker to advocate restrictions on
> biking in a biking forum,
Don't you mean "former motorcyclist?"
- Roid
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From: ivan@erich.triumf.ca (Ivan D. Reid)
Subject: Re: Carrying crutches (was Re: Living
Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility
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News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41
In article <1pqhkl$g48@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>,
ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant) writes...
> When I got my knee rebuilt I got back on the street bike ASAP. I put
>the crutches on the rack and the passenger seat and they hung out back a
>LONG way. Just make sure they're tied down tight in front and no problemo.
^^^^
Hmm, sounds like a useful trick -- it'd keep the local cagers at least
a crutch-length off my tail-light, which is more than they give me now. But
do I have to break a leg to use it?
(When I broke my ankle dirt-biking, I ended up strapping the crutches
to the back of the bike & riding to the lab. It was my right ankle, but the
bike was a GT380 and started easily by hand.)
Ivan Reid, Paul Scherrer Institute, CH. ivan@cvax.psi.ch
GSX600F, RG250WD. "Beware drainage ditches on firetrails" DoD #484
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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Subject: Armenians serving in the Wehrmacht and the SS.
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
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In article <735426299@amazon.cs.duke.edu> wiener@duke.cs.duke.edu (Eduard Wiener) writes:
> I can see how little taste you actually have in the
> cheap shot you took at me when I did nothing more
> than translate Kozovski's insulting reference
> to Milan Pavlovic.
C'mon, you still haven't corrected yourself, 'wieneramus'. In April
1942, Hitler was preparing for the invasion of the Caucasus. A
number of Nazi Armenian leaders began submitting plans to German
officials in spring and summer 1942. One of them was Souren Begzadian
Paikhar, son of a former ambassador of the Armenian Republic in Baku.
Paikhar wrote a letter to Hitler, asking for German support to his
Armenian national socialist movement Hossank and suggesting the
creation of an Armenian SS formation in order
"to educate the youth of liberated Armenia according to the
spirit of the Nazi ideas."
He wanted to unite the Armenians of the already occupied territories
of the USSR in his movement and with them conquer historic Turkish
homeland. Paikhar was confined to serving the Nazis in Goebbels
Propaganda ministry as a speaker for Armenian- and French-language
radio broadcastings.[1] The Armenian-language broadcastings were
produced by yet another Nazi Armenian Viguen Chanth.[2]
[1] Patrick von zur Muhlen (Muehlen), p. 106.
[2] Enno Meyer, A. J. Berkian, 'Zwischen Rhein und Arax, 900
Jahre Deutsch-Armenische beziehungen,' (Heinz Holzberg
Verlag-Oldenburg 1988), pp. 124 and 129.
The establishment of Armenian units in the German army was favored
by General Dro (the Butcher). He played an important role in the
establishment of the Armenian 'legions' without assuming any
official position. His views were represented by his men in the
respective organs. An interesting meeting took place between Dro
and Reichsfuehrer-SS Heinrich Himmler toward the end of 1942.
Dro discussed matters of collaboration with Himmler and after
a long conversation, asked if he could visit POW camp close to
Berlin. Himmler provided Dro with his private car.[1]
A minor problem was that some of the Soviet nationals were not
'Aryans' but 'subhumans' according to the official Nazi philosophy.
As such, they were subject to German racism. However, Armenians
were the least threatened and indeed most privileged. In August
1933, Armenians had been recognized as Aryans by the Bureau of
Racial Investigation in the Ministry for Domestic Affairs.
[1] Meyer, Berkian, ibid., pp. 112-113.
Need I go on?
Serdar Argic
'We closed the roads and mountain passes that
might serve as ways of escape for the Turks
and then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
(Ohanus Appressian - 1919)
'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists
a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)
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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center
From: Jason Kratz <U28037@uicvm.uic.edu>
Subject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card
Distribution: usa
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In article <1qie2rINN1b9@cae.cad.gatech.edu>, vincent@cad.gatech.edu (Vincent
Fox) says:
>
[stuff deleted. all mine]
>Define "armed better". Go shoot a revolver and a semi-auto like the
>Colt .45. Does one fires faster than the other? Nope. Aside from which
>faster rate of fire is usually not desirable. Sure it makes the other
>guys duck for cover, but just *YOU* trying hitting anything with a Thompson
>in hose-mode. This is why the military is limiting it's M-16 now to
Aw come on. It worked great in the 1920's (or the movie version of the '20s
anyways) :-)
>3-round burst-fire. Simple semi-auto would be better, but the troops
>like to be able to rock and roll even if it is wasteful of ammo (something
>often in short supply when the enemy is plentiful).
>
>A revolver is equally capable as a semi-auto in the same caliber.
>
[stuff deleted about how revolvers are just as good as semi-autos]
All your points are very well taken and things that I haven't considered as
I am not really familiar enough with handguns.
>Some police departments switched to Glocks, and then started quietly
>switching many officers back to the old revolvers. Too many were having
>accidents, partly due to the poor training they received. Not that Glocks
>require rocket scientists, but some cops are baffled by something as complex
>as the timer on a VCR.
Hell, a Glock is the last thing that should be switched to. The only thing
that I know about a Glock is the lack of a real safety on it. Sure there is
that little thing in the trigger but that isn't too great of a safety.
>
>Anyone who goes anyone saying that the criminals obviously outgun
>the police don't know nothing about firearms. Turn off COPS and Hunter
>and pay attention. I do not seek here to say "semi-autos are junk"
>merely that assuming they are better for all jobs is stupid. A cop
>with a revolver on his hip and a shotgun in the rack is more than
>equipped for anything short of a riot.
>
Actually I don't watch those shows :-) And you're right (at least partially).
I don't know much about handguns. I'm more familiar with rifles.
>Gun control is hitting what you aim at. If you whip out a
>wonder-nine and fire real fast you may find you don't hit anything.
>Good controlled fire from a revolver is more likely to get you a hit.
>I own a 9mm Beretta myself but consider it inferior as a carry weapon
>to something like the Ruger Security Six revolver. If I haven't hit
>what I'm aiming at in the first 5 shots, something is quite seriously
>wrong somewheres. While I might like having the backup capacity of those
>extra shots in certain cases, overwhelmingly the # of shots fired in
>criminal encounters is less than 5.
>
>What do crooks overwhelmingly use in crime? Why the same nice simple
>.38 revolvers that the police often use. Well actually some police
>prefer the much heftier .357 Magnum, but anyway.....
>
>ObPlea: Don't flame me, I prefer semi-autos for most things. But they
> introduce unneccessary complications to something as nerve-wracking
> as an abrupt encounter with a lone criminal.
>
>--
>"If everything had gone as planned, everything would have been perfect."
> -BATF spokesperson on CNN 3/2/93, regarding failed raid attempt in TX.
No flames here. All your points are well taken. Guess I still have a
lot to learn but thanks to this discussion I already am :-) Guess I
assume too many things like more bullets are better and that sort of
thing. Of course you know what happens when you assume ......... :-)
Jason
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From: cab@col.hp.com (Chris Best)
Subject: Re: Uninterruptible Power Supply
Organization: your service
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I'm no expert at UPS's, but you said something that made it sound like
you didn't realize something. On a typical UPS (well, on ours, anyway),
there is NO switchover from AC to DC. All the protected equipment is
ALWAYS running from the batteries (via an inverter), with the usual
condition of also having them on charge. If the power fails, big deal -
the computers never see it (until the batteries start to droop, but
there's something like 60 car-sized batteries in that cabinet, so it
takes a while).
If you were gonna run the guts on straight DC instead of an inverter,
why not do it all the time? Then there'd be no switchover to screw
things up, and no having to sense the failure fast. Just keep the DC
on charge when the power is on, and it'll be there in zero time when
you "need" it.
Just some ideas. Can't guarantee what'll work or not, but hope at least
SOME of this helped.
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From: wright@duca.hi.com (David Wright)
Subject: Re: Name of MD's eyepiece?
Organization: Hitachi Computer Products, OSSD division
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In article <19387@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes:
>In article <C4IHM2.Gs9@watson.ibm.com> clarke@watson.ibm.com (Ed Clarke) writes:
>>|> |It's not an eyepiece. It is called a head mirror. All doctors never
>>
>>A speculum?
>
>The speculum is the little cone that fits on the end of the otoscope.
>There are also vaginal specula that females and gynecologists are
>all too familiar with.
In fairness, we should note that if you look up "speculum" in the
dictionary (which I did when this question first surfaced), the first
definition is "a mirror or polished metal plate used as a reflector in
optical instruments."
Which doesn't mean the name fits in this context, but it's not as far
off as you might think.
-- David Wright, Hitachi Computer Products (America), Inc. Waltham, MA
wright@hicomb.hi.com :: These are my opinions, not necessarily
Hitachi's, though they are the opinions of all right-thinking people
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From: steel@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Nick Steel)
Subject: Re: F*CK OFF TSIEL, logic of Mr. Emmanuel Huna
Keywords: Conspiracy, Nutcase
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In article <4806@bimacs.BITNET> huna@bimacs.BITNET (Emmanuel Huna) writes:
>
> Mr. Steel, from what I've read Tsiel is not a racist, but you
>are an anti semitic. And stop shouting, you fanatic,
Mr. Emmanuel Huna,
Give logic a break will you. Gosh, what kind of intelligence do
you have, if any?
Tesiel says : Be a man not an arab for once.
I say : Fuck of Tsiel (for saying the above).
I get tagged as a racist, and he gets praised?
Well Mr. logicless, Tsiel has apologized for his racist remark.
I praise him for that courage, but I tell Take a hike to whoever calls me
a racist without a proof because I am not.
You have proven to us that your brain has been malfunctioning
and you are just a moron that's loose on the net.
About being fanatic: I am proud to be a fanatic about my rights and
freedom, you idiot.
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From: victor@inqmind.bison.mb.ca (Victor Laking)
Subject: Re: Info on NEC 3D Multisync monitor
Organization: The Inquiring Mind BBS 1 204 488-1607
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myers@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Myers) writes:
> > I am looking for any info I can get on the NEC 3D monitor.
> > I know that it is a multisync but that is about all.
> > I plan on buying one second-hand in a while depending on its specs.
> >
> > Does anyone know the min/max frequencies, whether it is interlaced,
> > non-interlaced, or both, video compatability, etc?
> > I have seen a reference to it being .28 pitch with 1024 X 720 resolution
> > and that it supports SVGA from one source and that it doesn't support
> > SVGA from another source. (Neither source seemed to have much reliable
> > info so I don't want to take a guess.)
>
> I'm at home right now, and so am away from my monitor files; the following
> is off the top of my head, subject to revision, worth-what-ya-pay-for-it
> sort of info. If you don't hear from anyone who has spec sheet in hand,
> e-mail me and I'll look it up.
>
> If I'm remembering correctly, the 3D is a 14" 0.28 mm pitch multisync that
> covers at least VGA (31.5 kHz horizontal, 60 Hz vertical) to 1024 x 768
> 60 Hz (which is going to be about 48 kHz horizontal). It may go somewhat
> higher than that on the horizontal, but you won't be happy with anything
> beyond 1024 x 768 on a 14" 0.28 tube; you probably won't be too thrilled
> with the 1024 x 768 on this tube, but it *will* sync up and display it.
> (I prefer at least a 16" 0.28 for this resolution.) Since SVGA is 800x600,
> it'll do that too. The horizontal range probably goes lower than 31.5, but
> I don't know if it goes all the way down to straight NTSC-rate TV (which need
> about 15.75 kHz sweep). As far as "video compatibility" (if I'm reading
> the question right: it won't take anything but analog RGB inputs. In other
> words, it has no way to decode NTSC or Y/C video inputs. You would need
> some sort of board to to this conversion - like the sorts of things that
> let you display NTSC on a VGA display.
>
> Hopefully, now, I'll see this response of mine, and it'll remind me to
> look this stuff up and confirm it. (Or force me to post a hasty retraction!)
Ok, I was under the impression that it accepted digital input.
I still don't know for sure if it accepts BOTH interlaced and
non-interlaced as I have gotten conflicting info.
victor@inqmind.bison.mb.ca
The Inquiring Mind BBS, Winnipeg, Manitoba 204 488-1607
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From: mmm@cup.portal.com (Mark Robert Thorson)
Subject: Eumemics (was: Eugenics)
Article-I.D.: cup.79700
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
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> Probably within 50 years, a new type of eugenics will be possible.
> Maybe even sooner. We are now mapping the human genome. We will
> then start to work on manipulation of that genome. Using genetic
> engineering, we will be able to insert whatever genes we want.
> No breeding, no "hybrids", etc. The ethical question is, should
> we do this? Should we make a race of disease-free, long-lived,
> Arnold Schwartzenegger-muscled, supermen? Even if we can.
Probably within 50 years, it will be possible to disassemble and
re-assemble our bodies at the molecular level. Not only will flawless
cosmetic surgery be possible, but flawless cosmetic PSYCHOSURGERY.
What will it be like to store all the prices of shelf-priced bar-coded
goods in your head, and catch all the errors they make in the store's
favor at SAFEWAY? What will it be like to mentally edit and spell-
check your responses to the questions posed by a phone caller selling
VACATION TIME-SHARE OPTIONS?
Indeed, we are today a nation at risk! The threat is not from bad genes,
but bad memes! Memes are the basic units of culture, as opposed to genes
which are the units of genetics.
We stand on the brink of new meme-amplification technologies! Harmful
memes which formerly were restricted in their destructive power will
run rampant over the countryside, laying waste to the real benefits that
future technology has to offer.
For example, Jeremy Rifkin has been busy trying to whip up emotions
against the new genetically engineered tomatoes under development at
CALGENE. This guy is inventing harmful memes, a virtual memetic Typhoid
Mary.
We must expand the public-health laws to include quarantine of people
with harmful memes. They should not be allowed to infect other people
with their memes against genetically-engineered food, electromagnetic
fields, and the Space Shuttle solid rocket boosters.
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From: tom@CapMgtSci.COM (Thomas Tulinsky)
Subject: MANUAL unsubscribe REQUEST
Organization: The Internet
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NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu
To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu
I am on the list under two addresses, I think:
tom@capmgtsci.com
and
zuma!tom@netcomsv.netcom.com
Please delete the second one,
zuma!tom@netcomsv.netcom.com
Thanks. Sorry for the screw up.
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From: earlw@apple.com (Earl Wallace)
Subject: Re: "Proper gun control?" What is proper gun control?
Distribution: usa
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In article <C5JAtz.5G4@cbnewsc.cb.att.com> rats@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Morris the Cat) writes:
>...
>Let's prohibit arms carrying by police when off-duty. Or, if they make
>the assertion that "Well, I need to maintain my gun" let's make it
>regulation that they can carry an UNLOADED firearm home, that it's
>only fair that they be just as helpless as poor schmuck coming home
>from his computer operator job...
>
>NRA Director/ex-San Jose cop Leroy Pyle states in the latest SWAT
>magazine that anti-cops better watch out for this schism between
>RKBA folks and the police. He asks the rhetorical question of 'What
>if what's left of the gun lobby starts demanding the disarmament
>of the police?"
>
>Well, I guess anti-gun cops who think only they should be armed,
>along with the wealthy and politically connected, should be made
>to realize that screwing can cut in ways they have yet to imagine.
>...
We all know this will never happen. Because the Police are under the wings
of Government, they will always be considered more important than Citizens.
Government pens, pencils and paper are considered more important than
Citizens.
I think we have a problem with our Government.
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From: felixg@coop.com (Felix Gallo)
Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more.
Organization: Cooperative Computing, Inc.
Distribution: na
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pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto) writes:
>If the Clinton Clipper is so very good, [...]
Please note that Bill Clinton probably has little if anything to do
with the design, implementation or reasoning behind this chip or behind
any "moves" being made using this chip as a pawn.
Remember, when you elect a president of the united states, it's not
the case that all the Republicans, etc. in the NSA and FBI and CIA
immediately pack their bags and get replaced by a team of fresh young
Democrats. Most of the government -- say, 96% -- is appointed or
hired rather than elected. Since this Clipper device has been in
production for over six months, it probably has little or no
foundation in the currently elected Democratic Executive body.
>BTW - those who suggest that this is just an attack on Clinton, believe
>this: I would be going ballistic reagardless WHO seriously proposed
>this thing. It is just another step in a gradual erosion of our rights
>under the Constitution or Bill of Rights. The last couple of decades
>have been a non-stop series of end-runs around the protections of the
>Constitution. It has to stop. Now is as good a time as any, if it
>isn't too late allready.
Could be. However, the sky hasn't fallen yet, Chicken Little.
>--
>pat@rwing.uucp [Without prejudice UCC 1-207] (Pat Myrto) Seattle, WA
> If all else fails, try: ...!uunet!pilchuck!rwing!pat
>WISDOM: "Only two things are infinite; the universe and human stupidity,
> and I am not sure about the former." - Albert Einstien
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From: rdippold@qualcomm.com (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold)
Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more.
Originator: rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com
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geoff@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Geoffrey Kuenning) writes:
>Bullshit. The *Bush* administration and the career Gestapo were
>responsible for this horror, and the careerists presented it to the
>new presidency as a fait accompli. That doesn't excuse Clinton and
>Gore from criticism for being so stupid as to go for it, but let's lay
>the body at the proper door to start with.
The final stages of denial... I can hardly imagine what the result
would have been if the Clinton administration had actually supported
this plan, instead of merely acquiescing with repugnance as they've so
obviously doing. I don't believe the chip originated with the Clinton
administration either, but the Clinton administration has embraced it
and brought it to fruition.
Both of the major parties have what they consider excellent reasons
for limiting your freedoms and violating your privacy, and even seem
to feel that they're doing you a favor. If this is really surprising
to anyone it means they've been willfully ignoring quite a bit of
previous evidence. There's only one political party (not calling
anarchists a party) that considers your freedom and privacy goals
worthy in and of themselves. If you're voting for the big two, you're
supporting a reduction of those rights (given their goals and their
histories), regardless of whether you personally support that
reduction. To paint Clinton and Gore as unwitting tools is really
stretching things.
--
When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite. -- Churchill
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From: lindae@netcom.com
Subject: Re: MORBUS MENIERE - is there a real remedy?
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Lines: 87
In article <19392@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes:
>In article <lindaeC4JGLK.FxM@netcom.com> lindae@netcom.com writes:
>
>>
>>My biggest resentment is the doctor who makes it seem like most
>>people with dizziness can be cured. That's definitely not the
>>case. In most cases, like I said above, it is a long, tedious
>>process that may or may not end up in a partial cure.
>>
>
>Be sure to say "chronic" dizziness, not just dizziness. Most
>patients with acute or subacute dizziness will get better.
>The vertiginous spells of Meniere's will also eventually go
>away, however, the patient is left with a deaf ear.
All true. And all good points.
>
>>To anyone suffering with vertigo, dizziness, or any variation
>>thereof, my best advice to you (as a fellow-sufferer) is this...
>>just keep searching...don't let the doctors tell you there's
>>nothing that can be done...do your own research...and let your
>
>This may have helped you, but I'm not sure it is good general
>advice. The odds that you are going to find some miracle with
>your own research that is secret or hidden from general knowledge
>for this or any other disease are slim. When good answers to these
>then, spending a great deal of time and energy on the medical
>problem may divert that energy from more productive things
>in life. A limited amount should be spent to assure yourself
>that your doctor gave you the correct story, but after it becomes
>clear that you are dealing with a problem for which medicine
>has no good solution, perhaps the best strategy is to join
>the support group and keep abreast of new findings but not to
>make a career out of it.
Well, making a career out of it is a bit strong. I still believe
that doing your own research is very, very necessary. I would
not have progressed as much as I have today, unless I had spent
the many hours in Stanford's Med Library as I have done.
And 5 years ago, it was clear that there was no medicine that
would help me. So should I have stopped searching. Thank
goodness I didn't. Now I found that there is indeed medicine
that helps me.
I think that what you've said is kind of idealistic. That you
would go to one doctor, get a diagnosis, maybe get a second
opinion, and then move on with your life.
Just as an example... having seen 6 of the top specialists in
this field in the country, I have received 6 different diagnoses.
These are the top names, the ones that people come to from all over
the country. I have HAD to sort all of this out myself. Going
to a support group (and in fact, HEADING that support group) was
helpful for a while, but after a point, I found it very
unproductive. It was much more productive to do library research,
make phone calls and put together the pieces of the puzzle myself.
A recent movie, Lorenzo's Oil, offers a perfect example of what
I'm talking about. If you haven't seen it, you should. It's not
a put down of doctor's and neither is what I'm saying. Doctors are
only human and can only do so much. But there are those of us
out here who are intelligent and able to sometimes find a missing
piece of the puzzle that might have otherwise gone unnoticed.
I guess I'm biased because dizziness is one of those weird things
that is still so unknown. If I had a broken arm, or a weak heart,
or failing kidneys, I might not have the same opinion. That's because
those things are much more tangible and have much more concise
definitions and treatments. With dizziness, you just have to
decide to live with it or decide to live with it while trying to
find your way out of it.
I have chosen the latter.
Linda
lindae@netcom.netcom.com
>
>--
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Gordon Banks N3JXP | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and
>geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Subject: The Armenian architect of the genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people.
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world
Lines: 55
In article <1993Apr15.160145.22909@husc3.harvard.edu> verbit@germain.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky) writes:
>My personal problem with Romanian culture is that I am
>not aware of one. There is an anecdote about Armenians
Troglodytism does not necessarily imply a low cultural level.
The image-conscious Armenians sorely feel a missing glory in
their background. Armenians have never achieved statehood and
independence, they have always been subservient, and engaged
in undermining schemes against their rulers. They committed
genocide against the Muslim populations of Eastern Anatolia
and Armenian Dictatorship before and during World War I and
fully participated in the extermination of the European Jewry
during World War II. Belligerence, genocide, back-stabbing,
rebelliousness and disloyalty have been the hallmarks of the
Armenian history. To obliterate these episodes the Armenians
engaged in tailoring history to suit their whims. In this zeal
they tried to cover up the cold-blooded genocide of 2.5 million
Turks and Kurds before and during World War I.
And, you don't pull nations out of a hat.
Source: Walker, Christopher: "Armenia: The Survival of a Nation."
New York (St. Martin's Press), 1980.
This generally pro-Armenian work contains the following information
of direct relevance to the Nazi Holocaust:
a) Dro (the butcher), the former Dictator of the Armenian Dictatorship and
the architect of the Genocide of 2.5 million Turks and Kurds, the most
respected of Nazi Armenian leaders, established an Armenian Provisional
Republic in Berlin during World War II;
b) this 'provisional government' fully endorsed and espoused the social
theories of the Nazis, declared themselves and all Armenians to be members
of the Aryan 'Super-Race;'
c) they published an Anti-Semitic, racist journal, thereby aligning themselves
with the Nazis and their efforts to exterminate the Jews; and,
d) they mobilized an Armenian Army of up to 20,000 members which fought side
by side with the Wehrmacht.
Serdar Argic
'We closed the roads and mountain passes that
might serve as ways of escape for the Turks
and then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
(Ohanus Appressian - 1919)
'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists
a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)
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From: ho@cs.arizona.edu (Hilarie Orman)
Subject: Re: Licensing of public key implementations
Organization: U of Arizona, CS Dept, Tucson
Lines: 6
With regard to your speculations on NSA involvement in the creation of
PKP, I find that it fails the test of Occam's butcher knife. Never
attribute to conspiracy what can be explained by forthright greed.
Hilarie Orman
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From: hambidge@bms.com
Subject: Re: The 'pill' for Deer = No Hunting
Reply-To: hambidge@bms.com
Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb
Lines: 81
In article <1993Apr14.182610.2330@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu>, jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes:
>In article <1993Apr14.120958.11363@synapse.bms.com>, hambidge@bms.com writes:
>>
>> The Second Amendment is about sovereignty, not sporting goods.
>
> Perfectly correct, but it won't make any difference.
Hmm. I beg to differ. It will probably make a big difference at some
point.
>
>> Self defense is a valid reason for RKBA.
>
> The vast majority get through life without ever having to
> own, use or display a firearm. Besides, there are other
> means of self-protection which can be just as effective
> as firearms.
Thankfully, it is true that the majority go through life without
having to use a firearm. Howver, there are situations where firearms
are the most effective means of self protection. What other means do
you propose as equally effective?
>
>> Freedoms and rights are not dependent on public opinion, necessity, or
>> scientific scrutiny.
>
> New to this planet ? EVERYTHING is dependent on either public
> or political opinion, usually political. To imagine that
> inalienable 'rights' are somehow wired into the vast cold
> cosmos is purest egotism and a dangerous delusion.
New to this country? New to political theory?
Alas, I was speaking of principle. Without principle, all attempts at
republican forms of gov't are futile. There are times when public and
political opinion are contrary to principle, which is why we have a
Constitution which enumerates gov't powers and presumes certain
rights. A major reason for this was to prevent a tyranny of the
majority.
>
>> No arguments against RKBA can withstand scientific scrutiny.
>
> They don't have to. Like so many other things, the issue
> is one of -perception- rather than boring statistics.
> Every time some young innocent is gunned-down in a drive
> by, every time some kid is murdered for a jacket, every
> time a store clerk is executed for three dollars in change,
> every time some moron kills his wife because she took the
> last beer from the fridge, every time someone hears a 'bang'
> in the night .... the RKBA dies. The stats are not all *that*
> clearly behind firearms - the protection factor does not
> strongly outweigh the mindless mayhem factor. Given society
> as we now experience it - it seems safer to get rid of
> as many guns as possible. That may be an error, but enough
> active voters believe in that course.
This is exactly why law should be based on reasoned thought, not
immediate perception. Of course, it doesn't always work that way.
Fortunately, while there are no guarantees, logic sometimes does
prevail. And, if not, there are still means for correction.
As far as "enough active voters" are concerned, that is still
an open question until the vote is made.
>
>> How do you intend to 'silence' RKBA supporters?
>
> Talk all you want. Talk about the "good old days" when
> you used to own firearms. After a while, such talk will
> take on the character of war stories ... and no one will
> be very interested anymore.
You portray a possible scenario for the future. But, how will you
silence RKBA supporters right now? As long as public debate is
allowed, such debate will continue. If we allow public debate to be
restricted or denied, then we will get a gov't we deserve.
Al
[standard disclaimer]
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From: yozzo@watson.ibm.com (Ralph Yozzo)
Subject: Re: How to Diagnose Lyme... really
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM.
Nntp-Posting-Host: king-arthur.watson.ibm.com
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center
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In article <19688@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes:
>
>In article <1993Apr12.201056.20753@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> mcg2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Marc Gabriel) writes:
>
>>Now, I'm not saying that culturing is the best way to diagnose; it's very
>>hard to culture Bb in most cases. The point is that Dr. N has developed a
>>"feel" for what is and what isn't LD. This comes from years of experience.
>>No serology can match that. Unfortunately, some would call Dr. N a "quack"
>>and accuse him of trying to make a quick buck.
>>
>Why do you think he would be called a quack? The quacks don't do cultures.
>They poo-poo doing more lab tests: "this is Lyme, believe me, I've
>seen it many times. The lab tests aren't accurate. We'll treat it
>now." Also, is Dr. N's practice almost exclusively devoted to treating
>Lyme patients? I don't know *any* orthopedic surgeons who fit this
>pattern. They are usually GPs.
>--
Are you arguing that the Lyme lab test is accurate?
The books that I've read say that in general the tests
have a 50-50 chance of being correct. (The tests
result in a large number of both false positives and
false negatives. I am in the latter case.)
We could get those same odds by "rolling the dice".
--
Ralph Yozzo (yozzo@watson.ibm.com)
From the beautiful and historic New York State Mid-Hudson Valley.
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From: nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu
Subject: Blow up space station, easy way to do it.
Article-I.D.: aurora.1993Apr5.184527.1
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
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This might a real wierd idea or maybe not..
I have seen where people have blown up ballons then sprayed material into them
that then drys and makes hard walls...
Why not do the same thing for a space station..
Fly up the docking rings and baloon materials and such, blow up the baloons,
spin then around (I know a problem in micro gravity) let them dry/cure/harden?
and cut a hole for the docking/attaching ring and bingo a space station..
Of course the ballons would have to be foil covered or someother radiation
protective covering/heat shield(?) and the material used to make the wals would
have to meet the out gasing and other specs or atleast the paint/covering of
the inner wall would have to be human safe.. Maybe a special congrete or maybe
the same material as makes caplets but with some changes (saw where someone
instea dof water put beer in the caplet mixture, got a mix that was just as
strong as congret but easier to carry around and such..)
Sorry for any spelling errors, I missed school today.. (grin)..
Why musta space station be so difficult?? why must we have girders? why be
confined to earth based ideas, lets think new ideas, after all space is not
earth, why be limited by earth based ideas??
==
Michael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked
going crazy in Nome Alaska, break up is here..
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