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From: banschbach@vms.ocom.okstate.edu
Subject: How To Prevent Kidney Stone Formation
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Nntp-Posting-Host: vms.ocom.okstate.edu
Organization: OSU College of Osteopathic Medicine
I got asked in Sci. Med. Nutrition about vitamin C and oxalate production(
toxic, kidney stone formation?). I decided to post my answer here as well
because of the recent question about kidney stones. Not long after I got
into Sci. Med. I got flamed by a medical fellow for stating that magnesium
would prevent kidney stone formation. I'm going to state it again here.
But the best way to prevent kidney stones from forming is to take B6
supplements. Read on to find out why(I have my asbestos suit on now guys).
Vitamin C will form oxalic acid. But large doses are needed (above 6 grams
per day).
1. Review Article "Nutritional factors in calcium containing kidney
stones with particular emphasis on Vitamin C" Int. Clin. Nutr. Rev.
5(3):110-129(1985).
But glycine also forms oxalic acid(D-amino acid oxidases). For both
glycine and vitamin C, one of the best ways to drastically reduce this
production is not to cut back on dietary intake of vitamin C or glycine,
but to increase your intake of vitamin B6.
2. "Control of hyperoxaluria with large doses of pyridoxine in
patients with kidney stones" Int. Urol. Nephrol. 20(4):353-59(1988)
200 to 500 mg of B6 each day significasntly decreased the urinary
excretion of oxalate over the 18 month treatment program.
3. The action of pyridoxine in primary hyperoxaluria" Clin. Sci. 38
:277-86(1970). Patients receiving at least 150mg B6 each day
showed a significant reduction in urinary oxalate levels.
For gylcine, this effect is due to increased transaminase activity(B6 is
required for transaminase activity) which makes less glycine available for
oxidative deamination(D-amino acid oxidases). For vitamin C, the effect is
quite different. There are different pathways for vitamin C catabolism.
The pathway that leads to oxalic acid formation will usually have 17 to 40%
of the ingested dose going into oxalic acid. But this is highly variable
and the vitamin C review article pointed out that unless the dose gets upto
6 grams per day, not too much vitamin C gets catabolized to form oxalic
acid. At very high doses of vitamin C(above 10 grams per day), more of the
extra vitamin C (more than 40% conversion) can end up as oxalic acid. In a
very early study on vitamin C and oxalic production(Proc. Soc. Exp. Biol.
Med. 85:190-92(1954), intakes of 2 grams per day up to 9 grams per day
increased the average oxalic acid excretion from 38mg per day up to 178mg
per day. Until 8 grams per day was reached, the average excreted was
increased by only 3 to 12mg per day(2 gram dose, 4 gram dose, 8 gram dose
and 9gram dose). 8 grams jumped it to 45mg over the average excretion
before supplementation and 9 grams jumped it to 150 mg over the average
before supplementation.
B6 is required by more enzymes than any other vitamin in the body. There
are probably some enzymes that require vitamin B6 that we don't know about
yet. Vitamin C catabolism is still not completely understood but the
speculation is that this other pathway that does not form oxalic acid must
have an enzyme in it that requires B6. Differences in B6 levels could then
explain the very variable production of oxalic acid from a vitamin C
challenge(this is not the preferred route of catabolism). Increasing your
intake of B6 would then result in less oxalic acid being formmed if you
take vitamin C supplements. Since the typical American diet is deficient
in B6, some researchers believe that the main cause of calcium-oxalate
kidney stones is B6 deficiency(especially since so little oxalic acid gets
absorbed from the gut). Diets providing 0 to 130mg of oxalic acid per day
showed absolutely no change in urinary excretion of oxalate(Urol Int.35:309
-15,1980). If 400mg was present each day, there was a significant increase
in urinary oxalate excretion.
Here are the high oxalate foods:
1. Beans, coca, instant coffee, parsley, rhubarb, spinach and tea.
Contain at least 25mg/100grams
2. Beet tops, carrots, celery, chocolate, cumber, grapefruit, kale,
peanuts, pepper, sweet potatoe.
Contain 10 to 25 mg/100grams.
If the threshold is 130mg per day, you can see that you really have a lot
of latitude in food selection. A recent N.Eng.J. Med. article also points
out that one good way to prevent kidney stone formation is to increase your
intake of calcium which will prevent most of the dietary oxalate from being
absorbed at all. If you also increase your intake of B6, you shouldn't
have to worry about kidney stones at all. The RDA for B6 is 2mg per day for
males and 1.6mg per day for females(directly related to protein intake).
B6 can be toxic(nerve damage) if it is consumed in doses of 500mg or more
per day for an extended peroid(weeks to months).
The USDA food survey done in 1986 had an average intake of 1.87 mg per day
for males and 1.16mg per day for females living in the U.S. Coupled with
this low intake was a high protein diet(which greatly increases the B6
requirement), as well as the presence of some of the 40 different drugs that
either block B6 absorption, are metabolic antagonists of B6, or promote B6
excretion in the urine. Common ones are: birth control pills, alcohol,
isoniazid, penicillamine, and corticosteroids. I tell my students to
supplement all their patients that are going to get any of the drugs that
increase the B6 requirement. The dose recommended for patients taking
birth control pills is 10-15mg per day and this should work for most of the
other drugs that increase the B6 requirement(this would be on top of your
dietary intake of B6). Any patient that has a history of kidney stone
formation should be given B6 supplements.
One other good way to prevent kidney stone formation is to make sure your
Ca/Mg dietary ratio is 2/1. Magnesium-oxalate is much more soluble than is
calcium-oxalate.
4. "The magnesium:calcium ratio in the concentrated urines of
patients with calcium oxalate calculi"Invest. Urol 10:147(1972)
5. "Effect of magnesium citrate and magnesium oxide on the
crystallization of calcium in urine: changes producted by food-magnesium
interaction"J. Urol. 143(2):248-51(1990).
6.Review Article, "Magnesium in the physiopathology and treatment
of renal calcium stones" J. Presse Med. 161(1):25-27(1987).
There are actually about three times as many articles published in the
medical literature on the role of magnesium in preventing kidney stone
formation than there are for B6. I thought that I was being pretty safe in
stating that magnesium would prevent kidney stone formation in an earlier
post in this news group but good old John A. in Mass. jumped all over me. I
guess that he doesn't read the medical literature. Oh well, since kidney
stones can be a real pain and a lot of people suffer from them, I thought
I'd tell you how you can avoid the pain and stay out of the doctor's office.
Martin Banschbach, Ph.D.
Professor of Biochemistry and Chairman
Department of Biochemistry and Microbiology
OSU College of Osteopathic Medicine
1111 W. 17th Street
Tulsa, Ok. 74107
"Without discourse, there is no remembering, without remembering, there is
no learning, without learning, there is only ignorance". From a wise man
who lived in China, many, many years ago. I think that it still has
meaning in today's world.
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From: tgardner@athena.mit.edu (Timothy J Gardner)
Subject: Re: another Taurus SHO question
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
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In article <1993Apr14.064702.26925@reed.edu> rseymour@reed.edu writes:
>The Taurus SHO (for those who can get it straight, it is S-H-O as in Super
>High Output, not SHO as in show) has a Yamaha 3.0L DOHC (24 valves) SHO V-6.
Having spoken to technical staff from Ford many times, I can assure you that
internally at Ford this car is always called the Taurus "Show" or just
"the Show". As in long "o" sound. I still refer to it as the "S-H-O",
however, because it sounds better to me. I assume many purist fans and owners
prefer using the Ford lingo.
Tim Gardner
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From: pgf@srl03.cacs.usl.edu (Phil G. Fraering)
Subject: Re: Comet in Temporary Orbit Around Jupiter?
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern Louisiana
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msb@sq.sq.com (Mark Brader) writes:
>Thanks again. One final question. The name Gehrels wasn't known to
>me before this thread came up, but the May issue of Scientific American
>has an article about the "Inconstant Cosmos", with a photo of Neil
>Gehrels, project scientist for NASA's Compton Gamma Ray Observatory.
>Same person?
No. I estimate a 99 % probability the Gehrels referred to
is Thomas Gehrels of the Spacewatch project, Kitt Peak observatory.
Maybe in the 24th century they could do gamma ray spectroscopy on
distant asteroids with an orbiting observatory, but here in the
primitive 20th we have to send a probe there to get gamma ray
spectroscopy done.
>Mark Brader, SoftQuad Inc., Toronto "Information! ... We want information!"
>utzoo!sq!msb, msb@sq.com -- The Prisoner
You have the info on Mayan Television yet?
>This article is in the public domain.
--
Phil Fraering |"Seems like every day we find out all sorts of stuff.
pgf@srl02.cacs.usl.edu|Like how the ancient Mayans had televison." Repo Man
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From: clintp@world.std.com (Clinton a Pierce)
Subject: Need help setting PIF for games
Summary: Can't seem to get the settings right for a few things
Keywords: WINDOWS PIF
Organization: VERSYSS Incorporated, Westwood MA
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HI there! I have a few games that I'd like to run under Windows 3.1 and can't
get the PIFS adjusted right. For example Wing Commander. In my DOS Prompt, I
have more than 620K available for programs. This is enough to run WC.
So I build a PIF giving WC a couple of megs of extended memory etc.. and run
it. WC prompts: "Loading Wing Commander..." and then a message about
"Using extended memory..." etc... and then my screen goes black (just before
the opening scene-the orchestra-would have appeared.)
I also have a pool game that does almost the same thing. It opens up and
prompts me for what kind of video driver I have. (CGA, EGA, etc...) I
respond EGA and the screen goes black.
On both of these a ctrl-alt-del getss me back to Windows.
Has ANYONE run Wing Commander under Windows? Or has had the problems I
describe and fixed them? HEre's the rest of my setup:
400MB Disk Free
8MB memory ~5 free during WIN session
386DX-25
Respond here or on E-Mail. If anyone else needs this info, send me mail in
a couple of days, and I'll forward the replies to you.
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Clinton A. Pierce | Cartesian Bear = Polar Bear after coordinate transform
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From: wjhovi01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: tuff to be a Christian?
Organization: University of Louisville
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Someone writing anonymously asks:
> Would you have become a Christian if you had not
> been indoctrinated by your parents? You probably never learned about
> any other religion to make a comparative study. And therefore I claim
> you are brain washed.
I *did* become a Christian without having been indoctrinated by my parents, and
having studied Buddhism fairly carefully and other religions to a lesser
degree. I made a decision to accept the truth-claims of Christianity after
having given it a lot of thought. (I have to point out that the process was not
purely a cold, rational one: there was a powerful experiential element as well.
Also, my Calvinist should rest assured that I don't lay any of the
responsibility for the outcome [my conversion] on anyone but God.)
It took me years and years for this all to happen, because I had many of the
objections that this poster puts forward. I grew up in the shadow of [generic
authoritarian conservative denomination], and I *knew* that that wasn't a way
of life that I could adopt. But I gradually learned not to tar all of
Christianity with the same brush, and realized quite suddenly one cold winter
night that I accepted what I had heretofore rejected. I am quite certain that
I was not "brain-washed".
bill hovingh
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From: grp@Unify.com (Greg Pasquariello)
Subject: Re: Anyone have experience with Visix' Galaxy?
Organization: Unify Corporation (Sacramento)
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In article <C56M19.17r@world.std.com>, grier@world.std.com (The Political Crony) writes:
>
> The title line says it. The Galaxy package was just recently announced, and
> includes a GUI-builder and portable toolkit. I'm interested in any
> feedback from those who may have used it thus far.
We've been using it for a year on Unix (Sun and HP) and Windows platforms. In my
opinion, it is the best toolkit on the market. It supports a rich API to a high
level IPC mechanism, file system abstraction, memory management, command driven
application development, drawing, geometry management, and, oh yeah, Open Look,
Motif, MS-Windows and Mac (at the flip of a switch).
>
> Thanks
> Jim Grier
> grier@world.std.com
>
--
--
Greg Pasquariello grp@unify.com Hobnobbing with the ancients
Unify Corporation or
(916) 928-6258 ...!uunet!unify!grp
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From: phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone)
Subject: Temper tantrums from the 1960's
Organization: Generally in favor of, but mostly random.
Distribution: usa
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In article <1993Apr5.193616.14521@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> gadfly@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (Gadfly) writes:
>Now let me get this straight. After a nice, long rant about
>how people need to take personal responsibility for their
>economic and social lives, all of a sudden 1960's radicals
>(such as me, I guess) are responsible for poor people's
>lifestyles? Tell me how that works--or do you think that poor
>people are just too dumb to think for themselves?
>
>There are many reasons for the disintegration of the family
>and support systems in general among this nation's poor.
>Somehow I don't think Murphy Brown--or Janis Joplin--is at
>the top of any sane person's list.
>
>You want to go after my generation's vaunted cultural
>revolution for a lasting change for the worse, try so-called
>"relevant" or "values" education. Hey, it seemed like a good
>idea at the time. How were we to know you needed a real
>education first--I mean, we took that for granted.
The 1960's generation were the most spoiled and irresponsible.
The Depression had create mothers and fathers that were determined that their
kids would not want for anything -- going overboard and creating a nation of
brats.
Consider the contrast between two famous events in July of 1969.
Apollo 11 and Woodstock.
Which group had large numbers of people that could not feed themselves and
reverted to the cultural level of primitives (defecation in public etc.).
And which group assembled, took care of itself, and dispersed with no damage,
no deaths, no large numbers of drug problems ....
--
There are actually people that STILL believe Love Canal was some kind of
environmental disaster. Weird, eh?
These opinions are MINE, and you can't have 'em! (But I'll rent 'em cheap ...)
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From: moffatt@bnr.ca (John Thomson)
Subject: Re: What is Zero dB????
Nntp-Posting-Host: bcarhdd
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
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marrevola@rediris.es wrote:
: In article <1993Apr6.132429.16154@bnr.ca>, moffatt@bnr.ca (John Thomson) writes:
: > Joseph Chiu (josephc@cco.caltech.edu) wrote:
: >
: > : And the measure of current, Amp, is actually named after both the AMP company
: > : and the Amphenol company. Both companies revolutionized electronics by
: > : simulatenously realizing that the performance of connectors and sockets
: > : were affected by the amount of current running through the wires.
: >
: > Sorry. The unit for current is the AMPERE which is the name of a french-man
: > named AMPERE who studied electrical current. The term AMP is just an abbreviation
: > of it. The company AMP came after the AMPERE unit was already in use.
: >
: > : The Ohmite company was the first to characterize resistances by numbers, thus
: > : our use of the Ohms...
: >
: > I don't know about this one, but it doesn't sound right.
: Are you (two) joking?
: Is the entire Internet flaming you (two)?
: Ahh!, now I remember that Ohmite company was the first introducing "the pink
: colored resistor", only for electronics working females ;-)
: --
: Manuel Arrevola Velasco ||||| True e-mail: manolo@taf.fundesco.es |||||
: DoD #1033
:
Yes, I have taken a bit of flame on this one. I must've been half asleep when
I posted a response to Joseph.
Greggo.
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Greg Moffatt moffatt@bnr.ca
Bell-Northern Research Inc., Ottawa Canada
"My opinions; not BNR's"
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From: eifrig@beanworld.cs.jhu.edu (Jonathan Eifrig)
Subject: Re: Pgp, PEM, and RFC's (Was: Cryptography Patents)
Organization: The Johns Hopkins University CS Department
Lines: 70
In article <1993Apr16.001321.3692@natasha.portal.com> bob@natasha.portal.com
(Bob Cain) writes:
> Check your facts first and grow up.
>Why is there such a strong correlation between interest in cryptography
>and immaturity I wonder.
Hmmm. "Check your facts." Good advice. Let's check Mr. Cain's
facts a bit, shall we?
>Charles Kincy (ckincy@cs.umr.edu) wrote:
>: Some limitation. Let me guess: don't use the code in any way PKP or
>: RSA doesn't like....such as...providing secure communications for the
>: average citizen.
>
>That was exactly its purpose if you know anything about it. There is
>nothing at all preventing the average citizen using it, only selling
>it.
FACT: It is unlawful to distribute code implementing RSA without a license
to do so from PKP, whether or not one is charging for it. Furthermore,
any use of RSA, other than for research purposes allowed under US patent
law, is similarly unlawful. Therefore, the "average citizen" cannot use
RSA to encrypt message traffic in the US without a license from PKP.
There is no licensed, freely available product in the US that uses RSA
encryption other than RSAREF (and hence RIPEM), at least as far as I am
aware. If you know of another, please post it here.
>: All I have to say is...yeah, right. If you're willing to pay them
>: mucho big bucks and/or use the routines *they* tell you to do.
>: Doesn't sound very reasonable to me.
>
>All I have to say is this is full of shit. I have negotiated a license
>and the bucks are incredibly reasonable with an upfront charge on a
>sliding scale depending on your capitalization. If you are a startup
>and can't afford it you can't afford to start up in the first place.
>Why do people insist on making unequivocal statements about that which
>they know nothing.
FACT: The last contact I had with RSA Data Security, Inc was with some
guy trying to sell me a license (unsolicited, I might add) for TIPEM.
Cost: $15K plus 2-5 percent royalties.
I suppose it is a matter of opinion as to whether or not these terms count
as "mucho bucks" or "incredibly reasonable." Either way, however, this
definitely falls into the "routines *they* tell you to (use)".
>: But I don't guess PKP and RSA are interested in big bucks. Maybe
>: they have some other agenda? Secure communications only for
>: government agents, perhaps?
>
>Have you considered treatment for paranoia? The government is the
>single biggest thorn in RSA's side.
FACT: There are no restrictions (yet!) on the use of cryptography under
US law, although this is beginning to look like it will change. The only
impediments to widespread use of RSA cryptography in the US are PKP's
patents.
Mr. Cain, please shut up until you get your facts straight.
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
"Better than the whole world be destroyed and crumble to dust than
a free man deny one of his desires."
-Benito Mussolini, Italian anarchist and poet.
Jack Eifrig (eifrig@cs.jhu.edu) The Johns Hopkins University, C.S. Dept.
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From: bigjoe@netcom.com (g perry)
Subject: 1956 Elvis autograph
A friend requested that I post the following:
Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Distribution: World
Lines: 9
" For sale: 1956 Elvis Prestly autograph. Autogaph is one of two, the
othere being Elvis's friend Red West and were obtained by the seller in the
spring of 1956 in Jacksonville , Fla the afternoon following the incident
when Elvis collapsed during a concert at the Gaterbowl in Jacksonville.
Request offers.
Ellen T. (408) 978-7716 (San Jose, CA.)"
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From: Petch@gvg47.gvg.tek.com (Chuck Petch)
Subject: Daily Verse
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA
Lines: 4
For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister
and mother."
Matthew 12:50
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From: fist@iscp.bellcore.com (Richard Pierson)
Subject: Re: Observation re: helmets
Nntp-Posting-Host: foxtrot.iscp.bellcore.com
Organization: Bellcore
Distribution: usa
Lines: 40
In article <211353@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com>,
maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes:
|>
|> Grf. Dropped my Shoei RF-200 off the seat of my bike while trying to
|> rock
|> it onto it's centerstand, chipped the heck out of the paint on it...
|>
|> So I cheerfully spent $.59 on a bottle of testor's model paint and
|> repainted the scratches and chips for 20 minutes.
|>
|> The question for the day is re: passenger helmets, if you don't know
|> for
|> certain who's gonna ride with you (like say you meet them at a ....
|> church
|> meeting, yeah, that's the ticket)... What are some guidelines? Should
|> I just
|> pick up another shoei in my size to have a backup helmet (XL), or
|> should I
|> maybe get an inexpensive one of a smaller size to accomodate my
|> likely
|> passenger?
My rule of thumb is "Don't give rides to people that wear
a bigger helmet than you", unless your taste runs that way,
or they are family.friends.
Gee, reminds me of a *dancer* in Hull, just over the river
from Ottowa, that I saw a few years ago, for her I would a
bought a bigger helmet (or even her own bike) or anything
else she wanted ;->
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There are only two types of ships in the NAVY; SUBMARINES
and TARGETS !!!
#1/XS1100LH DoD #956 #2 Next raise
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Internet: fist@iscp.bellcore.com,|| UUNET:uunet!bcr!fist
#include <std.disclaimer> My opinions are my own!!!
I Don't shop in malls, I BUY my jeans, jackets and ammo
in the same store.
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From: donb@igor.tamri.com (Don Baldwin)
Subject: Re: Good Neighbor Political Hypocrisy Test
Organization: TOSHIBA America MRI, South San Francisco, CA
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In article <C5HuH1.241@news.iastate.edu> jrbeach@iastate.edu (Jeffry R Beach)
writes:
>>I would be upset that, although abortions would continue, they would be
>>a lot more expensive for the rich, and a lot less safe for the poor.
>
>So now things are supposed to be legal just to keep their cost down
>and the safety factor high??
In the case of victimless crimes yes, I think so.
Think about it. If I rob or beat up or rape or kill someone, it's very
clear to anyone not a sociopath that I've done something immoral. On the
other hand, if I smoke grass or have sex with a consenting adult in a
manner illegal in that state, the morality or immorality of that act is
merely a lifestyle choice; it doesn;t clearly hurt anyone else. IMO, if
such an act doesn;t hurt another person it should not be interfered with.
>Think about it -- shouldn't all drugs then be legalized, it would lower
>the cost and definitely make them safer to use.
I think so. And I don't use drugs, outside of the legal ones (alcohol
and coffee).
don
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From: degroff@netcom.com (21012d)
Subject: Re: Venus Lander for Venus Conditions.
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Lines: 8
I doubt there are good prospects for a self armoring system
for venus surface conditions (several hundred degrees, very high
pressure of CO2, possibly sulfuric and nitric acids or oxides
but it is a notion to consider for outer planets rs where you might
pick up ices under less extream upper atmosphere conditions buying
deeper penetration. A nice creative idea, unlikly but worthy of
thinking about.
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From: kayman@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Robert Kayman)
Subject: Re: Why is my mouse so JUMPY? (MS MOUSE)
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
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In article <C638zs.pr@cs.vu.nl> wlieftin@cs.vu.nl (Liefting W) writes:
>ecktons@ucs.byu.edu (Sean Eckton) writes:
>
>>I have a Microsoft Serial Mouse and am using mouse.com 8.00 (was using 8.20
>>I think, but switched to 8.00 to see if it was any better). Vertical motion
>>is nice and smooth, but horizontal motion is so bad I sometimes can't click
>>on something because my mouse jumps around. I can be moving the mouse to
>>the right with relatively uniform motion and the mouse will move smoothly
>>for a bit, then jump to the right, then move smoothly for a bit then jump
>>again (maybe this time to the left about .5 inch!). This is crazy! I have
>>never had so much trouble with a mouse before. Anyone have any solutions?
>
>>Does Microsoft think they are what everyone should be? <- just venting steam!
>
>I think I have the same problem. I think it is caused by the rubber ball
>in the mouse, which doesn't roll so smooth. The detectors in the mouse
>notice this and whoops, I hit a mine (using minesweeper :-) ).
>
>I think the solution will be buying a new mouse, and/or using a mouse pad.
>
>Wouter.
And/or taking the rubber ball out of the mouse (should be directions
in the manual or on the bottom of the mouse) and cleaning it with
alcohol (isopropyl, I believe - the same alcohol as used for cleaning
your cassette deck). This is good to do every so often, even if you
have a mouse pad. Dust still gets caught in the mouse and on the
rubber ball. As well, lint and other garbage may find it's way onto
the rubber ball and get into the mouse damaging the horizontal and
vertical sensors.
Hope this helps. Good luck.
--
Sincerely,
Robert Kayman ---- kayman@cs.stanford.edu -or- cpa@cs.stanford.edu
"In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not."
"You mean you want the revised revision of the original revised revision
revised?!?!"
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From: boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell)
Subject: Re: Best Homeruns
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Lines: 5
I'd have to say the most impressive HRs I've ever see came from Dave Kingman
and his infamous moon-raker drives...
Don Boell
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From: mau@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Mau Napoleon)
Subject: RFD: comp.databases.access
Organization: UUNET Communications
Lines: 25
NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net
Oganization: uiowa.edu
This is an official RFD for the creation of a new newsgroup for the
general discussion of the Microsoft Access RDMS.
NAME: COMP.DATABASES.ACCESS
MODERATION: UNMODERATED. At this time, no need for a moderator has been
assertained. Future evaluation will determine if one is needed.
PURPOSE:
Access is a new RDBMS for the Windows Operating System. It includes WYSIWYG
design tools for easy creation of tables, reports, forms and queries and a
database programming language called Access Basic.
THe purpose of the group will be to provide help to people who use Access's
WYSIWYG design tools to create simple databases as well as to people who use
Access Basic to create complex databases.
RATIONALE:
Eventhough Access is a new RDBMS, it is very popular because of its Graphical
Development enviroment and its initial low price.
Been a version 1.0 product means that all Access users are Novices.
For that reason a newsgroup is needed where Access users can discuss
their experiences with the product and answer each other's questions.
--
Napoleon
mau@herky.cs.uiowa.edu
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From: jimc@tau-ceti.isc-br.com (Jim Cathey)
Subject: Re: few video questions
Organization: Olivetti North America, Spokane, WA
Lines: 28
In article <7480224@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> myers@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Myers) writes:
>situation sometimes called "block" sync). You can generate such a combined
>(or "composite") sync in two simple ways - OR the H. and V. syncs together,
>which gives you the non-serrated "block" sync, or EXOR them, which makes
>serrations. (Try it!) Actually, the EXOR doesn't really do kosher serrated
>sync, since it puts the rising (and falling, for that matter) edge of the H.
>sync pulse off by a pulse width. But that usually makes no difference.
Sometimes. It depends on your monitor and your timing. If you don't
have enough vertical front porch and you use XOR composite sync you can
get even/odd tearing at the top of the screen, which is very sensitive
to the HHOLD control. It looks like what you would expect if you
scanned the even fields (say) onto a sheet of mylar and had pinched the
upper left corner with your fingers and started to tear it off the tube.
With proper composite sync (equalizing pulses) the interlace is rock
solid.
--
+----------------+
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! II SSSSCC ! ISC-Bunker Ramo
! II CC ! TAF-C8; Spokane, WA 99220
! IISSSS CC ! UUCP: uunet!isc-br!jimc (jimc@isc-br.isc-br.com)
! II CCCCCC ! (509) 927-5757
+----------------+
One Design to rule them all; one Design to find them.
One Design to bring them all and in the darkness bind
them. In the land of Mediocrity where the PC's lie.
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From: rlward1@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Robert Ward)
Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption
Organization: National Computer Security Center
Distribution: na
Lines: 11
In article <bontchev.734981805@fbihh> bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de writes:
>and since the US constitutions guarantees the right to every American
>to bear arms, why is not every American entitled, as a matter of
Have you read the applicable part of the Constitution and interpreted it IN
CONTEXT? If not, please do so before posting this misinterpretation again.
It refers to the right of the people to organize a militia, not for individuals
to carry handguns, grenades, and assault rifles.
Robert L. Ward
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From: mirsky@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (David Joshua Mirsky)
Subject: LCIII->PowerPC?
Organization: dis
Lines: 9
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: hal.ai.mit.edu
Hi. I own an LCIII and I recently heard an interesting rumor.
I heard that the LCIII has a built in slot for a PowerPC chip.
Is this true? I heard that the slot is not the same as the PDS
slot. Is that true?
Thanks
David Mirsky
mirsky@gnu.ai.mit.edu
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From: Clinton-HQ@Campaign92.Org (Clinton/Gore '92)
Subject: CLINTON: Press Release on USIA Appointments
Organization: Project GNU, Free Software Foundation,
675 Mass. Ave., Cambridge, MA 02139, USA +1 (617) 876-3296
Lines: 101
NNTP-Posting-Host: life.ai.mit.edu
THE WHITE HOUSE
Office of the Press Secretary
_________________________________________________________________
For Immediate Release April 15, 1993
AMERICAN UNIVERSITY PRESIDENT JOSEPH DUFFEY NAMED TO HEAD USIA,
MICA TO CHAIR BOARD FOR INTERNATIONAL BROADCASTING
Washington, D.C. - President Clinton today announced his
intention to nominate American University President and former
State Department Assistant Secretary Joseph Duffey to be Director
of the United States Information Agency. The President also
designated Daniel Mica Chairman of the Board for International
Broadcasting.
"Joe Duffey's expertise in the fields of education,
communications and foreign affairs is vast and will serve him
well as he takes the helm at USIA and works to promote the ideals
of democracy and freedom abroad," the President said.
President of American University in Washington, D.C. since
1991, Duffey previously served nine years as Chancellor and
President of the University of Massachusetts at Amherst. In 1977
he served as Assistant Secretary of State, Education and Cultural
Affairs in the State Department. Duffey served as Chairman of the
National Endowment for the Humanities under both Presidents
Carter and Reagan.
In 1978 and 1980, Duffey served as a United States delegate
to the General Conference of the United Nations Educational,
Scientific and Cultural Organization. In 1991, Duffey served as
joint head of the U.S. Delegation observing national elections in
Ethiopia.
USIA, which celebrates its 40th anniversary this year, is an
independent foreign affairs agency within the executive branch
that explains and supports U.S. foreign policy and national
security interests abroad through a wide range of information
programs. Among the agency's programs are the Fulbright academic
program, Voice of America, the Worldnet satellite television
system and a network of overseas libraries and cultural centers.
The agency has more than 210 posts in more than 140 countries.
(more)
Press Release
pg. 2
Mica becomes Chairman of the Board for International
Broadcasting after serving as a member of the board since 1991.
"Dan Mica has done an excellent job on the Board of
International Broadcasting and I expect he will continue as
chairman to promote the cause of democracy abroad," the President
said.
Biographical sketches of the appointees follow:
Joseph Duffey has served as President of American University
since 1991. Prior to his tenure at American, Duffey served as
Chancellor and President of the University of Massachusetts at
Amherst (1982 - 91) and as a Guest Scholar at the Brookings
Institution (1982). He served as Chairman of the National
Endowment for the Humanities from 1977 - 82 and as Assistant
Secretary of State, Education and Cultural Affairs with the
Department of State in 1977. Duffey holds 14 honorary degrees
from American colleges and universities. In 1980 he was named
Commander of the Order of the Crown by the King of Belgium and he
has been a member of the Council of Foreign Relations since 1979.
Duffey received a BA from Marshall University in 1954, a BD from
the Andover Newton Theological School in 1958, a STM from Yale
University in 1963 and a Ph.D. from the Harvard Seminary
Foundation in 1969. Duffey is a member of the National Business-
Higher Education Forum and a founder and co-chairman of the
Western Massachusetts Economic Development Conference. Duffey is
married to Anne Wexler and has four sons.
Daniel Mica is a former U.S. Representative from the 14th
District of Florida and has served on the Board of International
Broadcasting since 1991. During his tenure in Congress from 1979
- 89 he served on the House Committee on Foreign Relations and
was appointed by President Reagan as the Congressional
Representative to the United Nations.
-30-30-30-
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From: swiers@chaos.aqeng.cdc.com (Aaron Swiers)
Subject: Re: Increasing the number of Serial ports
Organization: Control Data Systems Inc.
Lines: 16
slang@bnr.ca (Steven Langlois) writes:
>Does anyone know if there are any devices available for the Mac which
>will increase the number of serial ports available for use
>simultaneously? I would like to connect up to 8 serial devices to my
>Mac for an application I am working on. I must be able to access each
>one of the independently.
Applied Engineering makes a NuBus card called the QuadraLink which is
a board that contains 4 serial ports, which I believe can be used
simultaneously. I'm not a user of one of these, but I have installed
a couple for people at work (I'm a technician). Hope this helps.
--
Aaron Swiers
Control Data Corporation, Arden Hills MN swiers@chaos.aqeng.cdc.com
Electrical Engineering student, U of ND swiers@plains.nodak.edu
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From: mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson)
Subject: Re: Supply Side-revenue
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA
Distribution: na
Lines: 22
In <9460@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM> ssoar@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Steven E Soar) writes:
|In article <C5217t.J5B@newsserver.technet.sg>, ipser@solomon.technet.sg (Ed Ipser) writes:
|>
|> The result is that Clinton now HOPES to reduce the deficit to a level
|> ABOVE where it was when Reagan left office.
|Which, considering the amount Bush&congress added to it, would be a
|not-inconsiderable achievement.
|While we're on the subject, I also believe that the supply-side claim that
|reducing taxes raised revenue is also false, because they typically factor in
You need to hop over to talk.politics.misc. Wee have been chewing on this gem
for awhile. The challenge has been made to name a single supply sider who
ever said this. For the last three weeks the challenge has gone unmet.
I issue the same challenge to you.
--
Mob rule isn't any prettier merely because the mob calls itself a government
It ain't charity if you are using someone else's money.
Wilson's theory of relativity: If you go back far enough, we're all related.
Mark.Wilson@AtlantaGA.NCR.com
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From: bkline%occs.nlm.nih.gov (Bob Kline)
Subject: X11 load on the Network
Organization: National Library of Medicine
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Lines: 12
Can someone point me in the direction of any papers (not necessarily
formally conducted studies) discussing how much traffic X apps generate
for the network, particularly in comparison with curses-bases apps
over telnet? Also, does an X server typically buffer up user keyboard
input a line at a time? Can the X client control this, asking for
keystrokes immediately? Thanks in advance for any feedback!
--
/*----------------------------------------------------------------------*/
/* Bob Kline Phoenix Systems, Inc. */
/* bkline@occs.nlm.nih.gov voice: (703) 522-0820 */
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From: saz@hook.corp.mot.com (Scott Zabolotzky)
Subject: Re: the hawks WILL return to the finals!!!!!
Organization: Motorola, Inc.
Nntp-Posting-Host: 129.188.122.164
Lines: 24
In article <1qk0k4$itg@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> cubrj@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Brian Johnson) writes:
>Well now that the hawks have won the division the road is a little
>easier for the playoffs. Let toronto and detroit beat the hell out of
>each other while Chicago sweeps st.louis. That just makes it easier in
>the second round with all the rest they will get and tor/det getting
>none. For the conf. champ they will have a hard time versus the division
>but that div. will be pretty battered also so the advantage goes to the
>Hawks again. Then bring pitt. and sure the Hawks will probably lose but
>its better to get that far and lose than to not go.
>
>brian
>
Hopefully, a miracle (o.k. not quite a miracle, but close!) will occur and
Pittsburgh will be elminated prior to the finals. If they make it again,
they will probably keep the Cup. If they don't, it's the Hawks' turn!
GO BLACKHAWKS!!
CONGRATS TO JEREMY ROENICK FOR BEING ONLY THE 2ND HAWKS PLAYER TO POST
BACK TO BACK 50 GOAL SEASONS!!
Scott
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From: billj@b11.b11.ingr.com (Bill Jones)
Subject: Re: Need specs/info on Apple QuickTime
Keywords: quicktime
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Lines: 16
add@sciences.sdsu.edu (James D. Murray) writes:
>I need to get the specs, or at least a very verbose interpretation of the
>specs, for QuickTime. Technical articles from magazines and references to
>books would be nice too.
>I also need the specs in a format usable on a Unix or MS-DOS system. I can't
>do much with the QuickTime stuff they have on ftp.apple.com in its present
>format.
Apple just released the Quicktime volume of the new Inside Macintosh series.
Any bookstore with reasonable technical stock should have it.
Bill Jones
billj@beowulf.b11.ingr.com
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From: marka@hcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com (Mark Ashley)
Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI
Organization: Ft. Lauderdale, FL
Lines: 17
NNTP-Posting-Host: hcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com
>: >>I almost got a hernia laughing at this one.
>: >>If anything, SCSI (on a PC) will be obsolete-> killed off by Vesa Local
>: >>Bus IDE. It must be real nice to get shafted by $20-$100 bucks for the
>: >>extra cost of a SCSI drive, then pay another $200-$300 for a SCSI controller.
First off, with all these huge software packages and files that
they produce, IDE may no longer be sufficient for me (510 Mb limit).
Second, (rumor is) Microsoft recognizes the the importance of SCSI
and will support it soon. I'm just not sure if it's on DOS, Win, or NT.
At any rate, the deal is with Corel who makes (I hear) a good
cohesive set of SCSI drivers.
--
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Mark Ashley |DISCLAIMER: My opinions. Not Harris'
marka@gcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com |
The Lost Los Angelino |
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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Subject: Keeping the silent memory of 2.5 million Muslim people alive.
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world
Lines: 34
Source: "Men Are Like That" by Leonard Ramsden Hartill. The Bobbs-Merrill
Company, Indianapolis (1926). (305 pages).
(Memoirs of an Armenian officer who participated in the genocide of 2.5
million Muslim people)
p. 193.
"Their [Muslim] villages were destroyed and they themselves were slain or
driven out of the country."
p. 218.
"We Armenians did not spare the Tartars. If persisted in, the slaughtering
of prisoners, the looting, and the rape and massacre of the helpless become
commonplace actions expected and accepted as a matter of course.
I have been on the scenes of massacres where the dead lay on the ground,
in numbers, like the fallen leaves in a forest. They had been as helpless
and as defenseless as sheep. They had not died as soldiers die in the
heat of battle, fired with ardor and courage, with weapons in their hands,
and exchanging blow for blow. They had died as the helpless must, with
their hearts and brains bursting with horror worse than death itself."
Serdar Argic
'We closed the roads and mountain passes that
might serve as ways of escape for the Turks
and then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
(Ohanus Appressian - 1919)
'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists
a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)
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From: dudek@daeron.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (Gregory Dudek)
Subject: Re: IIci -> Q700 upgrade?
Nntp-Posting-Host: daeron.mcrcim.mcgill.edu
Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines
Lines: 28
In article <C5HA0x.11oq@austin.ibm.com> $LOGIN@austin.ibm.com writes:
>
>A while ago I posted a note asking for specs on the Quadra 700, and opinions on
>the Q700 upgrade of a IIci vs. an accelerator card. So far no responsed that
>I've noticed. Please let me know what you think of these possible upgrade
>paths: Cost, efficiency, pros/cons, etc.. Thanks!
Complete Q700 are best obtained from your dealer or some recent
copy of MacWorld or MacUser. My foggy memory suggests that the most relevant
comparison factors vis-a-vis a IIci are as follows:
25 MHz 68040
16 Mhz data path (don't recall this for sure, but it's slower
than Q 950 style machines for sure).
Ethertalk card on-board
Audio in/out
4 MB RAM on motherboard
4 SIMM slots
2 NuBus slots.
More flexible build-in video than the CI. Uses VRAM.
In comparison, a IIci with an accelerator won't give you
audio or ethernet or the same video options.
With a 68040 accelerator, CPU performance can be comparable but I
think it ends up costing more.
Greg Dudek
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Subject: prozac
From: agilmet@eis.calstate.edu (Adriana Gilmete)
Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services
Lines: 3
Can anyone help me find any information on the drug Prozac? I am writing
a report on the inventors , Eli Lilly and Co., and the product. I need as
much help as I can get. Thanks a lot, Adriana Gilmete.
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From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Subject: Re: Gun Talk -- Legislative Update for States
Keywords: gun talk, ila
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Distribution: usa
Lines: 15
lvc@cbnews.cb.att.com (Larry Cipriani) writes:
>IOWA: All firearm related bills are dead. Senate File 303
>dealing with off-duty police officers carrying concealed remains
>viable.
The *POWER* of the word processor and a stamp at work.
The fact that around here the state rep generally lives no more than
nine miles from any constituent doesn't hurt, either.
< Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu >
< ISU only censors what I read, not what I say. Don't blame them. >
< USENET: Post to exotic, distant machines. Meet exciting, >
< unusual people. And flame them. >
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From: wsun@jeeves.ucsd.edu (Fiberman)
Subject: erythromycin
Organization: University of California, San Diego
Lines: 4
Nntp-Posting-Host: jeeves.ucsd.edu
Is erythromycin effective in treating pneumonia?
-fm
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From: cab@col.hp.com (Chris Best)
Subject: Re: Need help with car stereo....
Organization: your service
Lines: 16
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpctdkz.col.hp.com
Just a shot here, but ya never know:
I once bought a (REAL) cheap equalizer / power amp for my car tape player
at one of those motel-room truckload sales, and it sounded great. For a
while, that is. Then one channel quit entirely. I opened it up, and the
amplifier chip for the bad channel had simply melted some of its solder
joints attaching it to the PCB. I soldered them back and it worked fine.
I just had to keep the volume a bit lower than I did before. Probably
lousy heat sinking.
You said "a nice Alpine" which I'm sure is a few orders of mag higher
in quality than the P.O.S. I had. But the point is - look inside before
you scrap it, since you OCCASIONALLY find something you can repair.
Maybe even the same thing I found.
Good luck!
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From: duvvuri@flashflood.cs.odu.edu (D.V.Prakash)
Subject: Pointer/Cursor
Article-I.D.: cs.1993Apr6.151347.2339
Organization: Old Dominion University, Norfolk, Va
Lines: 25
Nntp-Posting-Host: flashflood.cs.odu.edu
Hi
I am trying to implement a pointer feature in Xlib
I have multiple windows and all can take input and
show output simultaneously on all other displays
I want to implement a pointer feature
I would like to get the pointer to come up on all windows once
I choose pointer in the menu and every one should be able
to see it
Can you give me some hints as to how I should proceed
I am new to Xlib
replies will be greatly appreciated
Thank you
Prakash
< duvvuri@cs.odu.edu >
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From: markz@ssc.com (Mark Zenier)
Subject: Re: Can I use a CD4052 analog multiplexer for digital signals?
Organization: SSC, Inc., Seattle, WA
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Lines: 13
Tall Cool One (rky57514@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu) wrote:
: As the subject says - Can I use a 4052 for digital signals? I don't see
: why it couldn't handle digital signals, but I could be wrong. Anyone have
: any advice? Thanks.
The switches have a non-negligable on resistance (up to 1k ohm when
powered by 5 volts) and a maximum current and a Maximum Static
Voltage Across Switch. Not a good bet for TTL. Should work for
CMOS, but slow things down a bit. There are 74HC versions that
have better specs. but lower max voltage.
Mark Zenier markz@ssc.wa.com markz@ssc.com
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From: halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat)
Subject: Re: The Inimitable Rushdie (Re: An Anecdote about Islam
Reply-To: halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat)
Lines: 33
In article <115288@bu.edu>, jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:
>
>He'd have to be precise about is rejection of God and his leaving Islam.
>One is perfectly free to be muslim and to doubt and question the
>existence of God, so long as one does not _reject_ God. I am sure that
>Rushdie has be now made his atheism clear in front of a sufficient
>number of proper witnesses. The question in regard to the legal issue
>is his status at the time the crime was committed.
I'd have to say that I have a problem with any organization,
religious or not, where the idea that _simple speech_ such
as this is the basis for a crime.
-jim halat
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From: shadow@r-node.hub.org (Jay Chu)
Subject: Lindros will be traded!!!
Organization: Lindros traded!
Summary: Babe Lindros going to Ottawa!
Lines: 14
True rumor. Fact! A big three way deal!
Eric Lindros going to Ottawa Senators. And Senators get $15mill from
Montreal.
Montreal gets Alexander Daigle (the first round pick from Senators)
Philly gets Damphousse, Bellow, Patrick Roy and a draft pick.
--
______ shadow@r-node.gts.org
| |__| | If it's there and you can see it - it's real
| () | If it's there and you can't see it - it's transparent
|______| If it's not there and you can't see it - you erased it!
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From: infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew Infante)
Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.
Lines: 37
Nntp-Posting-Host: north1.acpub.duke.edu
In article <05APR93.02678944.0049@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA> C70A@UNB.CA (C70A000) writes:
>In article <C4zKCL.FGC@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> Eric@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (93CBR900RR) writes:
>>Would someone please post the countersteering FAQ...i am having this awful
>>time debating with someone on why i push the right handle of my motorcycle
>>foward when i am turning left...and i can't explain (well at least) why this
>>happens...please help...post the faq...i need to convert him.
>
> Ummm, if you push on the right handle of your bike while at speed and
>your bike turns left, methinks your bike has a problem. When I do it
Really!?
Methinks somethings wrong with _your_ bike.
Perhaps you meant _pull_?
Pushing the right side of my handlebars _will_ send me left.
It should.
REally.
>on MY bike, I turn right. No wonder you need that FAQ. If I had it
>I'd send it.
>
I'm sure others will take up the slack...
>
>
>
--
Andy Infante | I sometimes wish that people would put a little more emphasis |
'71 BMW R60/5 | upon the observance of the law than they do upon it's |
DoD #2426 | enforcement. -Calvin Coolidge |
==============| My opinions, dammit, have nothing to do with anyone else!!! |
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From: Isabelle.Rosso@Dartmouth.edu (Isabelle Rosso)
Subject: Hunchback
X-Posted-From: InterNews 1.0b15@dartmouth.edu
Organization: Dartmouth College
Lines: 14
I have a friend who has a very pronounced slouch of his upper back. He
always walks and sits this way so I have concluded that he is
hunchback.
Is this a genetic disorder, or is it something that people can correct.
i.e. is it just bad posture that can be changed with a bit of will
power?
Isabelle.Rosso@Dartmouth.edu
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From: kempmp@phoenix.oulu.fi (Petri Pihko)
Subject: Re: DID HE REALLY RISE???
Organization: University of Oulu, Finland
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Lines: 19
I must correct the following in my previous posting:
: If you are trying to be objective, you must also recognise that
:
: 1) the gospels are not independent sources, on the contrary, they
: share much of the same material
I should have been a bit more careful here - the gospels not only
tell us about the same events, they usually use the same wordings.
Textual analyses show that Matthew and Luke probably had a common
source, which may have influenced Mark, too.
Petri
--
___. .'*''.* Petri Pihko kem-pmp@ Mathematics is the Truth.
!___.'* '.'*' ' . Pihatie 15 C finou.oulu.fi Physics is the Rule of
' *' .* '* SF-90650 OULU kempmp@ the Game.
*' * .* FINLAND phoenix.oulu.fi -> Chemistry is The Game.
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From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik)
Subject: Re: Clarification of personal position
Organization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau
Lines: 21
In article <C5MuIw.AqC@mailer.cc.fsu.edu>, dlecoint@garnet.acns.fsu.edu
(Darius_Lecointe) wrote:
> I will repeat my position here. Worshipping on Sunday has never been a
> sin. As a child I attended services on Saturday and Sunday--at the SDA
> church and at the Pentecostal church across the street. I might even go to a
> Baptist church next week. I worship God every day, and every Christian
> should. Even if we can prove that Christians should meet on Sunday (and
> we can't) we can never prove that violation of the Sabbath is not a sin
> any longer. Nor can we prove that violation of Sunday is a sin. We
> cannot use the Sabbath commandment for that purpose.
My online Bible is on a CD, but I don't own a CD-ROM system for the
time being, so I can't search for the famous cite where Jesus explicitly
states that he didn't want to break existing (Jewish) laws. In other
words technically speaking Christians should use Saturday and not Sunday
as their holy day, if they want to conform to the teachings of Jesus.
Cheers,
Kent
---
sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net.
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From: devil@loki.HellNet.org (Gil Tene)
Subject: COSE GUI - Just what is it they agreed on?
Lines: 31
Nntp-Posting-Host: loki
The COSE announcement specifies that Motif will become the common
GUI. But what does this mean exactly?
- Do they mean that all "COSE-complient" apps will have the Motif
look and feel?
- Do they mean that all "COSE-complient" apps will use the Motif
toolkit API?
- Do they mean both of the above?
- Is it possible that there will be a Motif-API complient toolkit with
an OpenLook Look & Feel?
- How about an OLIT/XView/OI/Interviews API toolkit with a Motif L & F?
(I know OI already does this, but will this be considered COSE-complient?)
- Will there be more than one "standard" toolkit API or L & F supported?
- How does using ToolTalk fit in with Motif?
This is my attempt to start a discussion in order to pull as much
knowledge about these questions off the net... Feel free to e-mail
or followup.
--
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-- devil@imp.HellNet.org to go to sleep in the morning." -
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From: mcdonald@aries.scs.uiuc.edu (J. D. McDonald)
Subject: Re: jiggers
Article-I.D.: aries.mcdonald.895.734049502
Organization: UIUC SCS
Lines: 13
In article <78846@cup.portal.com> mmm@cup.portal.com (Mark Robert Thorson) writes:
>This wouldn't happen to be the same thing as chiggers, would it?
>A truly awful parasitic affliction, as I understand it. Tiny bugs
>dig deeply into the skin, burying themselves. Yuck! They have these
>things in Oklahoma.
Close. My mother comes from Gainesville Tex, right across the border.
They claim to be the chigger capitol of the world, and I believe them.
When I grew up in Fort Worth it was bad enough, but in Gainesville
in the summer an attack was guaranteed.
Doug McDonald
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From: tzs@stein2.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith)
Subject: Re: The state of justice
Organization: University of Washington School of Law, Class of '95
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NNTP-Posting-Host: stein2.u.washington.edu
demon@desire.wright.edu (Not a Boomer) writes:
> A judge denied GM's new trial motion, even though GM says it has two
>new witnesses that said the occupant of the truck was dead from the impact, not
>from the fire.
>
> Thoughts?
How can a witness tell that someone in a burning truck is dead rather than
unconscious?
> It's kind of scary when you realize that judges are going to start
>denying new trials even when new evidence that contradicts the facts that led
>to the previous ruling appear.
>
> Or has the judge decided that the new witnesses are not to be believed?
>Shouldn't that be up to a jury?
What kind of witnesses? If we are talking about witnesses who were at
the accident, or were otherwise directly involved (e.g., paramedics,
emergency room doctors, etc.), then they should have been used at the
first trial. You don't get a new trial because you screwed up and
forgot to call all of your witnesses.
If we are talking about new expert witnesses who will offer new
interpretations of the data, note that the loser can *ALWAYS* find
such witnesses. If this were grounds for a new trial, then the loser
could *ALWAYS* get a new trial, and keep doing so until the loser
becomes a winner (and then the other side would come up with new
expert witnesses).
--Tim Smith
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From: jchen@wind.bellcore.com (Jason Chen)
Subject: Re: LH Workmanship
Nntp-Posting-Host: wind.bellcore.com
Organization: Bellcore
Lines: 28
In article <1ql178INN51q@tamsun.tamu.edu> dlb5404@tamuts.tamu.edu (Daryl Biberdorf) writes:
>In article <1993Apr15.203750.25764@walter.bellcore.com> jchen@ctt.bellcore.com writes:
>>I just visited the NY Auto Show, and saw two LH cars on the floor: Eagle
>>Vision and Dodge Intrepid.
>>at a competitive price. ...
>>
>>Unfortunately, the workmanship is quite disappointing. On BOTH cars,
>>the rubber seals around the window and door fell off. It turns out
>>the seals are just big grooved rubber band. It goes on just by pressing
>
>
>"Through a single data point, you can draw any line you want."
>-- Dr. S. Bart Childs, Professor, Texas A&M Dept. of Computer Science
>
Wrong. I got two points, which were the 100% sample space on the show
floor. By the previous quote, I guess I may drow a determinstic line?
>
>Both my pastor's late model Corolla and my father's 1987 Stanza
>have demonstrated the "falling door seals" problem.
>
As unfair as it may seem, the difference between Chrysler and Toyota is
that Chrysler needs to prove that it can build quality cars. Toyota can
afford make a few small mistakes without hurting the image.
After all, door seal failing on a 6-year old Stanza is not comparable to
the same problem on a brand new Intreprid.
Jason Chen
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From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda)
Subject: Re: Happy Easter!
Nntp-Posting-Host: corolla18
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Lines: 14
In article <1qt0jo$2fj@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) writes:
|
|Hey! I wasn't picking on Morgan. They use old technology. That's all
|I said. There's nothing wrong with using old technology. People still
|use shovels to dig holes
Well, you really can't dig a hole with a stock Shovel; you at least need some
performance mods like stroking and cams. Besides, it's REAL bad on the
rear tire.
Dave Svoboda (svoboda@void.rtsg.mot.com) | "I'm getting tired of
90 Concours 1000 (Mmmmmmmmmm!) | beating you up, Dave.
84 RZ 350 (Ring Ding) (Woops!) | You never learn."
AMA 583905 DoD #0330 COG 939 (Chicago) | -- Beth "Bruiser" Dixon
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From: r_turgeo@oz.plymouth.edu (Randy S. Turgeon)
Subject: Re: Ottawa/Montreal/Philly trade
Article-I.D.: oz.1993Apr6.023843.9689
Reply-To: r_turgeo@oz.plymouth.edu (Randy S. Turgeon)
Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, N.H.
Lines: 13
Here we go again. Is this the same idiot who posted the Gretzky
trade to Toronto???? Sheeeesh! You should have waited until we got
over that one before this garbage, maybe we would have believed it for
half a second (NOT!).
By the way, I just heard from Mother Goose that Mario Lemieux was
traded to Winnpeg for Tie Domi!!!!!
Randy
PSC (I know noone has heard of it, it's a tiny college in Hicksville
New Hampshire. Plymouth State College)
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From: gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal)
Subject: Re: Secret algorithm [Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow]
Lines: 23
: The cops/feds do *not* need to be able to get hold of your private key to
: listen in to cellular conversations. Encryption is not end-to-end, but
: cellphone to base-station - it *has* to be this way so that cellular users
: and fixed installations can talk to each other. For cellular to cellular
: calls, the transmission is decrypted at the base-station, passed to another
: base-station and re-encrypted. The cops/feds can listen to the unscrambled
: call *provided* they get a warrant to tap into the cellular provider's
: equipment. The only reason for wanting a crackable system is so they can
: listen without having to obtain a warrant.
: But, maybe the Clipper system is secure, and they really do need a warrant
: to get the key out of escrow before they can listen in using a scanner (see
: above - they don't *have* to go down this route anyway). I have my doubts,
: but even if true once they have the key they will *never* again need a
: warrant to tap into that particular phone whenever they want. `Well, Judge,
: it appears he wasn't a drug-dealer after all, so naturally we'll stop
: listening in'...
That was true for the UK Paul, but I'm fairly sure they're talking about
building end-to-end encryption phones out of this chip. It's *not* for
cellular (though it certainly could be used there in the way you suggest)
G
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Subject: Re: Israeli Terrorism
From: amoss@shuldig.cs.huji.ac.il (Amos Shapira)
<1993Apr24.203620.6531@Virginia.EDU><2BD9C01D.11546@news.service.uci.edu> <1rd7eo$1a4@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>
Organization: Inst. of Comp. Sci., Hebrew University, Jerusalem, Israel
NNTP-Posting-Host: shuldig.cs.huji.ac.il
In-reply-to: cy779@cleveland.Freenet.Edu's message of 25 Apr 1993 05:26:48 GMT
Lines: 14
cy779@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Anas Omran) writes:
The Israelis
used to arrest and sometimes to kill some of these neutral reporters.
Eh???? Could you please give me details about an event where a "Neutral
Observer" was killed by purpose by an Israeli soldier?
--Amos
--
--Amos Shapira (Jumper Extraordinaire) | "It is true that power corrupts,
C.S. System Group, Hebrew University, | but absolute power is better!"
Jerusalem 91904, ISRAEL |
amoss@cs.huji.ac.il | -- the Demon to his son
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Subject: Let it be Known
From: <ISSBTL@BYUVM.BITNET>
Organization: Brigham Young University
Lines: 10
I would like to make everyone aware that in winning the NL West the Atlanta
Braves did not lead wire-to-wire. Through games of 4/14/93 the Houston
Astros are percentage points ahead of the "unbeatable" Braves.
Go Astros!!!!!
Byron T. Lee
A Native Texan
Stuck in Utah
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From: aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer)
Subject: Re: Eco-Freaks forcing Space Mining.
Organization: Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow
Lines: 16
In article <1993Apr21.212202.1@aurora.alaska.edu> nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu writes:
>Here is a way to get the commericial companies into space and mineral
>exploration.
>Basically get the eci-freaks to make it so hard to get the minerals on earth..
If raw materials where to cost enough that getting them from space would
be cost effective then the entire world economy would colapse long
before the space mines could be built.
Allen
--
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Lady Astor: "Sir, if you were my husband I would poison your coffee!" |
| W. Churchill: "Madam, if you were my wife, I would drink it." |
+----------------------55 DAYS TO FIRST FLIGHT OF DCX-----------------------+
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From: neal@magpie.linknet.com (Neal)
Subject: Re: rnitedace and violence
Organization: Manes and Associates, NYC
Distribution: usa
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]
Lines: 28
I am glad that you recognize that people should not engage in denial
and repression, and should acknowledge such. The United States, with
its people, have recognized that repression has taken place, with the
loss and outright abrogation of civil liberties and constitutional
protections of citizens. This recognition has taken the form of the
civil rights law (let's just discuss the federal level for now), such
as 18 USC 241 et. seq., 42 USC 1981 et. seq, et. al.
With this recognition of repression, at times manifested in the
form of collective guilt, I want people to recognize denial.
Though it can be said that white people numerically commit more
crimes in the United States, because white people are a majority,
it can also be said that black people commit a disproportionate
amount of crime in the United States, in their relation to their
numbers in population.
My views are out of experiences when I was a police officer
in a large metropolitan area, and of a citizen. Unless people
account for their behavior, and for the behavior of their immediate
community, nothing will improve.
Regards,
Neal
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From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares)
Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!!
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.
Lines: 13
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.com
In article <1r19tp$5em@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, mfrhein@wpi.WPI.EDU (Michael Frederick Rhein) writes:
> >napalm, then let the wood stove inside ignite it.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> As someone else has pointed out, why would the stove be in use on a warm day
> in Texas.
Do YOU eat all your food cold?
--
cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company,
OR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors' Packet...
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From: ST002649@brownvm.brown.edu (Alex Gottschalk)
Subject: Re: 666, THE NUMBER OF THE BEAST, VIEWER DISCR
Organization: Brown University - Providence, Rhode Island USA
Lines: 15
NNTP-Posting-Host: brownvm.brown.edu
X-News-Software: BNN via BNN_POST v1.0 beta
In article <C4J571.K3D@rice.edu>, swaim@owlnet.rice.edu (Michael Parks Swaim)
said:
>Posted on 27 Mar 1993 at 00:16:13 by Michael Parks Swaim
>In article <C4HIM1.BrF@cs.psu.edu> jdh@math.psu.edu (Jeremy D Hall) writes:
>>Well, I *WILL* do the math, and I get: (6^6)^6=2,189,739,336
>>
>>This mean anything to anyone? :^)
5*1=5 thus fitting in neatly with something else.
_________________________________________________________________________
º...and everything under the sun is in tune... º "What was Jabba the º
ºnd the sun is eclipsed by the moon." º Hut smoking?" º
º --Pink Floyd º --Alex º
º "Eclipse" º curious º
º_________________________________________________º_____________________º
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From: as16@quads.uchicago.edu (adam shah)
Subject: Re: When Is Melido Due Back?
Reply-To: as16@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Distribution: na
Lines: 18
In article <nittmo.734981173@camelot> nittmo@camelot.bradley.edu (Christopher Taylor) writes:
>When are the Yankees planning on activating Melido Perez? His 15 days on
>the DL are up today, but are they bringing him back this weekend?
>
>Thanks for any info.
>
>
The Chicago Tribune pitching form has Perez pitching today (4/16). But
given the way that Buck changes his rotation so often, that could just be
the work of a confused stat-page editor.
--
adam (as16@midway.uchicago.edu)
aka mercutio...
obligatory go yankees for baseball season...
5338 S Woodlawn Ave Apt 2/Chicago, IL 60615/(312) 667-3586
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From: gsnow@clark.edu (Gary Snow)
Subject: Re: QUESTION: 1024 x 768 on Quadra 800
Article-I.D.: clark.1993Apr6.215836.27428
Organization: Clark College, Vancouver, Wa. USA
Lines: 14
In article <D2150026.u982nu@bostrauma.trauma.com> ennui@trauma.com (N is for Neville who died of ennui) writes:
>Does anyone have information on acheiving 1024 x 768 resolution on a Q800
>using interanl video? Is this even possible? I suspect that it isn't although
>I'd certainly like to know for sure.
Of course its possible, I get 1024x768 on my Centris 650. All you need is
a correctly wired video cable.
Gary
--
-----
Gary Snow
uunet!clark!gsnow or gsnow@clark.edu
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From: ICH344@DJUKFA11.BITNET
Subject: Wanted: Slot card with VGA + HDD-Contr.
Organization: Forschungszentrum Juelich
Lines: 18
Hello,
I am looking for a PC card with the following features:
- Controller for IDE(AT-Bus)-HardDiskDrive
- Controller for 2 FloppyDiskDrives
- Standard(256KB) VGA Graphics INCLUDING FEATURE CONNECTOR (important!)
===========================
There *are* some manufacturors/distributors of this kind of card, but I have
not found them yet.
If you can help me, please mail to: ICH344@DJUKFA11
ICH344@zam001.zam.kfa-juelich.de
Thanks a lot,
Martin Mueller
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From: hrs1@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (herman.r.silbiger)
Subject: ANSI/AIIM MS-53 Standard Image File Format
Organization: AT&T
Keywords: image, file format
Lines: 6
wing the suggestion of Stu Lynne, I have posted the Image File Format executable and source code to alt.sources.
Herman Silbiger
.
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From: edm@twisto.compaq.com (Ed McCreary)
Subject: Re: thoughts on christians
In-Reply-To: bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM's message of 16 Apr 93 05: 10:18 GMT
Organization: Compaq Computer Corp
Lines: 26
>>>>> On 16 Apr 93 05:10:18 GMT, bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) said:
RB> In article <ofnWyG600WB699voA=@andrew.cmu.edu> pl1u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Patrick C Leger) writes:
>EVER HEAR OF
>BAPTISM AT BIRTH? If that isn't preying on the young, I don't know what
>is...
>
RB>
RB> No, that's praying on the young. Preying on the young comes
RB> later, when the bright eyed little altar boy finds out what the
RB> priest really wears under that chasible.
The same thing Scotsmen where under there kilt.
I'll never forget the day when I was about tweleve and accidently
walked in on a roomfull of priests sitting around in their underware
drinking beer and watching football.
Kind of changed my opinion a bit. They didn't seem so menacing after
that.
--
Ed McCreary ,__o
edm@twisto.compaq.com _-\_<,
"If it were not for laughter, there would be no Tao." (*)/'(*)
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From: dbl@visual.com (David B. Lewis)
Subject: comp.windows.x Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) 3/5
Summary: useful information about the X Window System
Reply-To: faq%craft@uunet.uu.net (X FAQ maintenance address)
Organization: VISUAL, Inc.
Expires: Sun, 2 May 1993 00:00:00 GMT
Lines: 998
Archive-name: x-faq/part3
Last-modified: 1993/04/04
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Subject: 58)! Where can I get patches to X11R5?
The release of new public patches by the MIT X Consortium is announced
in the comp.windows.x.announce newsgroup.
Patches themselves are available via ftp from export and from other
sites from which X11 is available. They are now also distributed through the
newsgroup comp.sources.x. Some source re-sellers may be including patches in
their source distributions of X11.
People without ftp access can use the xstuff mail server. It now has
23 patches for X11R5 [3/93]. Send to xstuff@expo.lcs.mit.edu the Subject line
send fixes #
where # is the name of the patch and is usually just the number of the patch.
Here are a few complications:
1) fix 5 is in four parts; you need to request "5a", "5b", "5c" and
"5d" separately
2) the file sunGX.uu, which was part of an earlier patch, was
re-released with patch 7 [note: the file doesn't work with Solaris]
3) fix 8 is in two parts: "8a" and "8b"
4) fix 13 is in three parts: "13a", "13b", and "13c"
5) fix 16 is in two parts: "16a" and "16b"
6) fix 18 replaces the R5fix-test1 for the X Test Suite, which
previously was optional
7) fix 19 also needs PEXlib.tar.Z, which you can obtain from xstuff
by asking for "PEXlib.uu.[1234]".
8) fix 22 is in 9 parts, "22a" through "22i"
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Subject: 59) What is the xstuff mail-archive?
The xstuff server is a mail-response program. That means that you mail
it a request, and it mails back the response.
Any of the four possible commands must be the first word on a line. The
xstuff server reads your entire message before it does anything, so you can
have several different commands in a single message (unless you ask for help).
The xstuff server treats the "Subject:" header line just like any other line
of the message.
The archives are organized into a series of directories and
subdirectories. Each directory has an index, and each subdirectory has an
index. The top-level index gives you an overview of what is in the
subdirectories, and the index for each subdirectory tells you what is in it.
1) The command "help" or "send help" causes the server to send you a
more detailed version of this help file.
2) if your message contains a line whose first word is "index", then
the server will send you the top-level index of the contents of the archive. If
there are other words on that line that match the name of subdirectories, then
the indexes for those subdirectories are sent instead of the top-level index.
For example, you can say "send index fixes" (or "index fixes"). A message that
requests an index cannot request data.
3) if your message contains a line whose first word is "send", then the
xstuff server will send you the item(s) named on the rest of the line. To name
an item, you give its directory and its name. For example
send fixes 1 4 8a 8b 9
You may issue multiple send requests. The xstuff server contains many
safeguards to ensure that it is not monopolized by people asking for large
amounts of data. The mailer is set up so that it will send no more than a fixed
amount of data each day. If the work queue contains more requests than the
day's quota, then the unsent files will not be processed until the next day.
Whenever the mailer is run to send its day's quota, it sends the requests out
shortest-first.
4) Some mailers produce mail headers that are unusable for extracting
return addresses. If you use such a mailer, you won't get any response. If
you happen to know an explicit path, you can include a line like
path foo%bar.bitnet@mitvma.mit.edu
or
path bar!foo!frotz
in the body of your message, and the daemon will use it.
The xstuff server itself can be reached at xstuff@expo.lcs.mit.edu. If
your mailer deals in "!" notation, try sending to
{someplace}!mit-eddie!expo.lcs.mit.edu!xstuff.
[based on information from the MIT X Consortium, 8/89, 4/90.]
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Subject: 60)! Where can I get X11R4 (source and binaries)?
Integrated Computer Solutions, Inc., ships X11R4 on half-inch,
quarter-inch, and TK50 formats. Call 617-621-0060 for ordering information.
The Free Software Foundation (617-876-3296) sells X11R4 on half-inch
tapes and on QIC-24 cartridges.
Yaser Doleh (doleh@math-cs.kent.EDU; P.O. Box 1301, Kent, OH 44240) is
making X11R4 available on HP format tapes, 16 track, and Sun cartridges. [2/90]
European sites can obtain a free X11R4 distribution from Jamie Watson,
who may be reached at chx400!pan!jw or jw@pan.uu.ch. [10/90]
Non Standard Logics (+33 (1) 43 36 77 50; requests@nsl.fr) makes source
available.
IXI Limited (+44 223 462 131) is selling X11R4 source on quarter-inch
cartridge formats and on 5.25" and 3.5" floppy, with other formats available on
request. [IXI, 2/90]
Virtual Technologies (703-430-9247) provides the entire X11R4
compressed source release on a single QIC-24 quarter-inch cartridge and also on
1.2meg or 1.44 meg floppies upon request. [Conor Cahill
(cpcahil@virtech.uu.net) 2/90]
Young Minds (714-335-1350) makes the R4 and GNU distributions available
on a full-text-indexed CD-ROM.
[Note that some distributions are media-only and do not include docs.]
X11R4 is ftp-able from export.lcs.mit.edu; these sites are preferable,
though, and are more direct:
Machine Internet FTP
Location Name Address Directory
-------- ------- -------- -------------
(1) West USA gatekeeper.dec.com 16.1.0.2 pub/X11/R4
Central USA mordred.cs.purdue.edu 128.10.2.2 pub/X11/R4
(2) Central USA giza.cis.ohio-state.edu 128.146.8.61 pub/X.V11R4
Southeast USA uunet.uu.net 192.48.96.2 X/R4
(3) Northeast USA crl.dec.com 192.58.206.2 pub/X11/R4
(4) UK Janet src.doc.ic.ac.uk 129.31.81.36 X.V11R4
UK niftp uk.ac.ic.doc.src <XV11R4>
(5) Australia munnari.oz.au 128.250.1.21 X.V11/R4
The giza.cis.ohio-state.edu site, in particular, is known to have much of the
contrib stuff that can be found on export.
The release is available to DEC Easynet sites as CRL::"/pub/X11/R4".
Sites in Australia may contact this address: ftp.Adelaide.EDU.AU [129.127.40.3]
and check the directory pub/X/R4. The machine shadows export and archives
comp.sources.x. (Mark Prior, mrp@ucs.adelaide.edu.au, 5/90)
Note: a much more complete list is distributed as part of the introductory
postings to comp.sources.x.
A set of X11R4 binaries built by Tom Roell (roell@informatik.tu-muenchen.de)
for the 386/ix will available from export.lcs.mit.edu in /contrib and in
/pub/i386/X11R4 from 131.159.8.35 in Europe. Stephen Hite
(shite@sinkhole.unf.edu) can also distribute to folks without ftp facilities
via disks sent SASE; contact him for USmail and shipping details. [12/90] In
addition, the binaries are available via uucp from szebra [1-408-739-1520, TB+
(PEP); ogin:nuucp sword:nuucp] in /usr2/xbbs/bbs/x. In addition, the source is
on zok in /usrX/i386.R4server/. [2/91] In addition, if you are in the US, the
latest SVR4 binary (April 15), patches, and fonts are available on
piggy.ucsb.edu (128.111.72.50) in the directory /pub/X386, same filenames as
above. (Please use after 6pm Pacific, as these are large files.) [5/91]
A set of HP 9000/800 binaries is available on hpcvaaz.cv.hp.com (15.255.72.15)
as ~ftp/pub/MitX11R4/libs.x800.Z. [2/91]
A set of X11R4 binaries for the NeXT 2.x have been made available by Howie Kaye
on cunixf.cc.columbia.edu
A set of binaries by John Coolidge (coolidge@cs.uiuc.edu) for the Mac running
A/UX 2.0 is available from wuarchive.wustl.edu in the file
(/archive/systems/aux/X11R4/Xupdate2.tar.Z). Also in X11R4/diffs is a set of
patches for making X11R4 with shared libraries with mkshlib.
A complete distribution of SCO X11R4 binaries by Baruch Cochavy
(blue@techunix.technion.ac.il) can be found on uunet. The server is Roell's
X386 1.1b, compiled for ET4000 based SVGA boards.
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Subject: 61) Where can I get OSF/Motif?
You can obtain either OSF/Motif source or binaries from a number of
vendors.
Motif 1.2.2 source is now available; it is based on X11R5.
Motif 1.1 is based on the R4.18 Intrinsics and is currently [7/92] at
1.1.5.
An OSF/Motif source license must be obtained from OSF before source can
be obtained from the Open Software Foundation or any value-added vendor for
any version. Call the Direct Channels Desk at OSF at 617-621-7300 for ordering
information.
Various hardware vendors produce developer's toolkits of binaries,
header files, and documentation; check your hardware vendor, particularly if
that vendor is an OSF member.
In addition, independent binary vendors produce Motif toolkits for
machines for which Motif is not supported by a vendor; the kits include varied
levels of bug-fixing and support for shared libraries and are based on widely
divergent version of Motif:
Quest (408-988-8880) sells kits for Suns, as well;
IXI (+44 223 462 131) offers kits for Sun3 and Sun4.
NSL (+33 (1) 43 36 77 50; requests@nsl.fr) offers kits for the Sun 3
and Sun 4.
Bluestone Consulting makes a kit for Sun systems.
ICS (617-62-0060) makes several binary kits, notably for Sun, DEC.
HP and DEC have announced support for Motif on Sun systems.
Unipalm (+44-954-211-797) currently offers for Sun systems a Motif
Development Kit including X11R4 and based on Motif 1.1.2. The US distributor is
Expert Object Corp (708-926-8500).
BIM ships Motif 1.1 binaries for Suns. Shared library support is
included. Contact Alain Vermeiren (av@sunbim.be) or Danny Backx (db@sunbim.be)
at +32(2)759.59.25 (Fax : +32(2)759.47.95) (Belgium).
SILOGIC (+33 61.57.95.95) ships Motif 1.2 and Motif 1.1 on Sun
machines.
S.I. Systems offers Motif 1.2 for Solaris 2.1; info: 1-800-755-8649 in
USA and Canada.
Metro Link Inc. (305-970-7353, sales@metrolink.com; in Europe contact
ADNT, (33 1) 3956 5333, UniVision (UK) Ltd. (44) 628 82 22 81) ships an
implementation of X11R4 and Motif 1.1.2 (including a shared-library
implementation of libXm.a) for the 386/486 Unix market. Motif 1.1.2 is
also available for Sun Sparc based workstations. It has also announced
Motif 1.2 for Solaris systems.
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Subject: 62) Does Motif work with X11R4? X11R5?
Motif 1.2 is based on X11R5.
Motif 1.1, available in source form from OSF as of August 1990, uses
the "vanilla" X11R4 Intrinsics, where "vanilla" means "with just a few
patches"; the file fix-osf which OSF distributes is obsoleted by MIT's patches
15-17. The file fix-osf-1.1.1 distributed with the 1.1.1 version or its
subsequent modification needs to be applied after MIT fix-18, though.
Motif 1.1.1 to 1.1.3 will work with X11R5 if X11R5 is compiled with
-DMOTIFBC; 1.1.4 and later should work with the vanilla R5, although there are
some known new geometry-management problems.
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Subject: 63) Where can I get toolkits implementing OPEN LOOK?
Sun's XView has a SunView-style API. A version is on the X11R4 tape;
the latest [2/92] 3.0 sources are on export in contrib/xview3/.
XView and X binaries for the Sun 386i ("roadrunner") are available for
ftp from svin01.win.tue.nl (131.155.70.70), directory pub/X11R4_386i.
Supported binaries of XView 2.0 or 3.0 include:
XView for non-Sun Platforms (domestic and selected international vendors).
Several are also available from Sun; contact your local sales office.
Amiga GfxBase, Inc. 1881 Ellwell Drive
(AmigaDOS) (408) 262-1469 Milpitas, CA 95035
Fax: (408) 262-8276
SGI
Sony (NEWS-OS)
IBM RS/6000
HP 9000
DECstation UniPress Software 2025 Lincoln Highway
(Ultrix) (908) 985-8000 Edison, NJ 08817
Fax: (908) 287-4929
UniPress Software, Ltd. PO Box 70
44-624-661-8850 Viking House
Fax: 44-624-663-453 Nelson Street
Douglas, Isle of Man
United Kingdom
DEC VAXstation TGV 603 Mission Street
(VMS) (800) TGV-3440 Santa Cruz, CA 95060
(408) 427-4366
Fax: (408) 427-4365
Unipalm Ltd. 145-147 St. Neots Road
44-0954-211797 Hardwick
Fax: 44-0954-211244 Cambridge CB3 7QJ
England
Intel 386 Quarterdeck Office 150 Pico Boulevard
(DOS) Systems Santa Monica, CA 90405
(213) 392-9851
Fax: (213) 399-3802
Intel 386 SunSoft Corporation 6601 Center Drive West
(Interactive 310-348-8649 Suite 700
UNIX and Los Angeles, CA 90045
SCO UNIX)
Stardent Scripps Institute Clinic MB-5
(Stellix OS Fax: (619) 554-4485 10666 N. Torrey Pines Road
and Titan OS) Include mailstop MB-5 La Jolla, CA 92057
By ftp: 192.42.82.8 in pub/binary/{Xview.README,XView.tar.Z}
AT&T's OPEN LOOK GUI 3.0 Xt-based toolkit is now generally available
[2/92]; contact 1-800-828-UNIX#544 for information. Binaries are produced
for SPARC systems by International Quest Corporation (408-988-8289). A version
of the toolkit is also produced under the name OLIT by Sun.
More recent versions of OLIT have been ported to IBM 6000 and DEC MIPS
by both UniPress and ICS. OLIT is also available for HP from Melillo Consulting
(908-873-0075). MJM (Somerset, NJ) makes OLIT 4.0 for HP 7xx series running
HPUX 8.0, DECstations, and RS/6000s [thanks to Joanne Newbauer,
jo@attunix.att.com, 908-522-6677.]
Sun is shipping OpenWindows 3.0; contact your local sales
representative for more details; the package includes toolkit binaries and
header files.
ParcPlace's (formerly Solbourne's) extensible C++-based Object
Interface Library, which supports run-time selection between Open Look or
Motif, is available from 303-678-4626. [5/92]
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Subject: 64)! Where can I get other X sources? (including R5 modifications)
The MIT Software Center ships the X Test Suite on tape.
A multi-threaded version of Xlib based on X11R5 patch 12 is now
available for anonymous FTP from (new version 1/93):
DEC on gatekeeper.dec.com (16.1.0.2) in /pub/X11/contrib/mt-xlib-1.1
MIT on export.lcs.mit.edu (18.24.0.12) in /contrib/mt-xlib-1.1
HP has made available drivers to permit the building of the X11R5
sample server on the HP 9000 Series 700 workstations; the files are on
export.lcs.mit.edu in ~ftp/contrib/R5.HP.SRV. [8/92]
User-contributed software is distributed through the newsgroup
comp.sources.x, moderated by Chris Olson (chris@imd.sterling.com); also check
that group for posting information.
Richard Hesketh (rlh2@ukc.ac.uk) has been creating a list of freely-
available X sources. The list is stored on export.lcs.mit.edu in contrib as
x-source-list.Z. It lists the main storage locations for the program and
international sites from which it may be ftp'ed.
The machine export.lcs.mit.edu has a great deal of user-contributed
software in the contrib/ directory; a good deal of it is present in current or
earlier versions on the X11R3, X11R4, and X11R5 contrib tapes. There are also
directories for fixes to contrib software. The file on export in
contrib/00-index.txt is a quick overall index of the software in that area,
provided by Daniel Lewart (d-lewart@uiuc.edu).
These sites used to and may still mirror export and are of particular
use for Australasia: Anonymous ftp: ftp.Adelaide.EDU.AU; ACSnet Fetchfile:
sirius.ua.oz.
The material on giza.cis.ohio-state.edu, which tends to duplicate
the export archives, is also available via anonymous UUCP from osu-cis, at TB+
and V.32 speeds. Write to uucp@cis.ohio-state.edu (same as osu-cis!uucp) for
instructions. [the archive is now maintained by Karl Kleinpaste]
A new west-coast UUCP X11 Archive is administered by Mark Snitily
(mark@zok.uucp) and contains the full X11 distribution, the XTEST
distribution, an entire archive of comp.sources.x and other goodies.
The machine zok has a TB+ modem which will connect to 19.2K, 2400,
1200 baud (in that order). The anonymous UUCP account is UXarch with password
Xgoodies. The modem's phone number is 408-996-8285.
A sample Systems (or L.sys) entry might be:
zok Any ACU 19200 4089968285 in:--in: UXarch word: Xgoodies
To get a current listing of the files that are available, download
the file "/usrX/ls-lR.Z".
A full subject index of the comp.sources.x files is available in the
file "/usrX/comp.sources.x/INDEX".
The machine has just the one modem, so please do not fetch large
amounts of data at one sitting.
[courtesy Mark Snitily, 2/90]
In addition, UUNET Source Archives (703-876-5050) tracks comp.sources.x and
provides 800MB+ of compressed programs on 6250 bpi tapes or 1/4" tapes. It
also mirrors export/contrib in its packages/X directory.
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Subject: 65)! Where can I get interesting widgets?
The Free Widget Foundation (FWF) library sponsored by Brian Totty
(totty@cs.uiuc.edu) is now [2/93] available on a.cs.uiuc.edu (128.174.252.1)
in pub/fwf-v3.41.shar.Z. The set of widgets there is intended to form the basis
for future contributions. To be added to the discussion list, send to
listserv@cs.uiuc.edu a message saying "subscribe <listname> <your-full-name>"
where <listname> is one of free-widgets-announce, free-widgets-development, or
free-widgets-bugs. Version 3.4 is current; look for 4.0 in 4/93.
The Xew widget set contains widgets for data representation. Version
1.2 [4/93] is on export contrib/Xew-1.2.tar.Z.
Peter Ware's Xo "Open Widget" set, which has Motif-like functionality,
is on archive.cis.ohio-state.edu as pub/Xo/Xo-2.1.tar.Z [8/92].
The AthenaTools Plotter Widget Set Version 6-beta [7/92] maintained by
Peter Klingebiel (klin@iat.uni-paderborn.de) includes many graph and plotting
widgets; a copy is on export in plotter.v6b.tar.Z, plotter.doc.tar.Z,
plotter.afm.tar.Z, and plotter.README. The latest versions may in fact be on
ftp@uni-paderborn.de (131.234.2.32) in /unix/tools.
An advance version of Marc Quinton's Motif port of the FWF MultiList
widget is in ftp.stna7.stna.dgac.fr:pub/MultiList.tar.Z [143.196.9.31].
Additional widgets are available on the contrib/ portion of the X11R4
tapes; these include the Xcu set.
Paul Johnston's (johnston@spc5.jpl.nasa.gov) X Control Panel widget set
emulates hardware counterparts; sources are on export.lcs.mit.edu in
Xc-1.3.tar.Z.
O'Reilly Volume 4, Doug Young's book, the Asente/Swick book, and Jerry
Smith's "Object-oriented Programming with the X Window System Toolkits" all
include details on writing widgets and include several useful widgets; sources
are typically on export and/or UUNET.
The Dirt interface builder includes the libXukc widet set which extends
the functionality of Xaw.
A graph widget and other 2D-plot and 3D-contour widgets by Sundar
Narasimhan (sundar@ai.mit.edu) are available from ftp.ai.mit.edu as
/com/ftp/pub/users/sundar/graph.tar.Z. The graph widget has been updated [3/91]
with documentation and histogram capabilities.
A graph widget is available from ftp.stna7.stna.dgac.fr in
pub/Graph.tar.Z; it uses a segment list for drawing and hence supports a zoom
operation.
Ken Lee's Xm widget (demo) that uses Display PostScript to draw labels
at a non-horizontal angle is on export in contrib/dpslabel.tar.Z.
The Table widget (works like troff TBL tables) is available in several
flavors, one of which is with the Widget Creation Library release.
Bell Communications Research has developed a Matrix widget for complex
application layouts; it's on export in contrib/Xbae-widgets-3.8.tar.Z [2/93.
The distribution also includes a "caption" widget to associate labels with
particular GUI components. (7/92)
Dan Connolly's (connolly@convex.COM) XcRichText interprets RTF data;
it's on export as contrib/XcRichText-1.1.tar.Z.
The XmGraph Motif-based graphing widget is on iworks.ecn.uiowa.edu in
/comp.hp/GUI_classic/XmGraph.tar.Z although it may not be stable.
A TeX-style Layout widget by Keith Packard is described in the
proceedings of the 7th MIT Technical Conference (O'Reilly X Resource volume 5);
source is available on export contrib/Layout.tar.Z.
A version of Lee Iverson's (leei@McRCIM.McGill.EDU) image-viewing tool
is available as contrib/vimage-0.9.3.tar.Z on export.lcs.mit.edu. The package
also includes an ImageViewPort widget and a FileDialog widget. [12/91;5/92]
In addition, the PEXt toolkit by Rich Thomson (rthomson@dsd.es.com) is
available on export as PEXt.tar.Z; it includes a PEX widget making it easier to
use PEX in Xt-based programs.
A Motif port of the Xaw clock widget is in ftp.stna7.stna.dgac.fr
in pub/Clock.tar.Z.
A modification of the Xaw ScrollBar widget which supports the arrowhead
style of other toolkits is on export in contrib/Xaw.Scrollbar.mta.Z.
A beta 0.3 (11/92) release of the R5 Xaw widgets with a 3D visual
appearance by Kaleb Keithley (kaleb@thyme.jpl.nasa.gov) is available on export
in contrib/Xaw3d/R5/Xaw3d-0.3.tar.Z. The library, which is binary-compatible
with the MIT Xaw, implements a 3D subclass which handles the extra drawing.
Also:
The Xmt "Motif Tools", Dovetail Systems's shareware library of 9
widgets and many convenience functions, is available from
export.lcs.mit.edu:contrib and ftp.ora.com:/pub/xbook/Xmt in xmt-README and
xmt-1.0.tar.Z.
The Xtra XWidgets set includes widgets for pie and bar charts, XY
plots, Help, spreadsheets, data entry forms, and line and bar graphs. Contact
Graphical Software Technology at 310-328-9338 (info@gst.com) for information.
The XRT/graph widget, available for Motif, XView and OLIT, displays
X-Y plots, bar and pie charts, and supports user-feedback, fast updates and
PostScript output. Contact KL Group Inc. at 416-594-1026 (info@klg.com).
A set of data-entry widgets for Motif is available from Marlan
Software, 713-467-1458 (gwg@world.std.com).
A set of graph widgets is available from Expert Database Systems
(212-370-6700).
A set of OSF/Motif compound widgets and support routines for 2D
visualization is available from Ms Quek Lee Hian, National Computer Board,
Republic of Singapore; Tel : (65)7720435; Fax : (65)7795966;
leehian@iti.gov.sg, leehian@itivax.bitnet.
The ICS Widget Databook includes a variety of control widgets and
special-purpose widgets, available on a variety of platforms. Information:
617-621-0060, info@ics.com.
Information on graphing tools may be obtained from info@TomSawyer.com
(+1-510-848-0853, fax: +1-510-848-0854).
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Subject: 66) Where can I get a good file-selector widget?
The Free Widget Foundation set offers a FileSelector widget, with
separate directory path and file listing windows, and the FileComplete, which
has emacs-style file completion and ~ expansion.
Other available file-requestor widgets include the XiFileSelector from
Iris Software's book, the xdbx file-selector extracted by David Nedde
(daven@wpi.wpi.edu), and the FileNominator from the aXe distribution.
The GhostView, Xfig, and vimage packages also include file-selector
widgets.
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Subject: 67) What widget is appropriate to use as a drawing canvas?
Some widget sets have a widget particularly for this purpose -- a
WorkSpace or DrawingArea which doesn't display anything but lets your Xt
application know when it has been re-exposed, resized, and when it has received
user key and mouse input.
The best thing to do for other widget sets -- including the Athena set
-- is to create or obtain such a widget; this is preferable to drawing into a
core widget and grabbing events with XtAddEventHandler(), which loses a number
of benefits of Xt and encapsulation of the functionality .
At least one version has been posted to comp.sources.x (name???).
The publicly-available programs xball and xpic include other versions.
The Athena Widget manual (mit/doc/Xaw/Template in the R5 distribution)
includes a tutorial and source code to a simple widget which is suitable for
use.
The Free Widget Foundation set contains a Canvas widget.
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Subject: 68) What is the current state of the world in X terminals?
Jim Morton (jim@applix.com) posts quarterly to comp.windows.x a list of
manufacturers and terminals; it includes pricing information.
Notable buyers-guide surveys include:
- the September 1991 issue of Systems Integration
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Subject: 69) Where can I get an X server with a touchscreen or lightpen?
Labtam (+61 3 587 1444, fax +61 3 580 5581) offers a 19" Surface
Acoustic Wave touch-screen option on its Xengine terminals.
Tektronix (1-800-225-5434) provides an X terminal with the Xtouch
touch-screen. This terminal may also be resold through Trident Systems
(703-273-1012).
Metro Link (305-970-7353) supports the EloGraphics Serial Touch Screen
Controllers.
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Subject: 70) Where can I get an X server on a PC (DOS or Unix)?
MIT X11R5 already provides a server to many 386/486 *Unixes* with
support for many of the popular video graphics adapters; and for other
non-MSDOS PCs you can obtain a server from these sources:
XFree86 (formerly X386 1.2E) is an enhanced version of X386 1.2, which
was distributed with X11R5; it includes many bug fixes, speed improvements, and
other enhancements. Source for version 1.2 [2/93] is on export.lcs.mit.edu in
pub/contrib, ftp.physics.su.oz.au in /X386, and ftp.win.tue.nl in /pub/X386. In
addition, binaries are on ftp.physics.su.oz.au, and ftp.win.tue.nl among other
systems. Info: x386@physics.su.oz.au.
Note: this package obsoletes Glenn Lai's Speedup patches for an
enhanced X11R5 server for 386 UNIXes with ET4000 boards (SpeedUp.tar.Z on
export).
Metro Link Inc. (305-970-7353, sales@metrolink.com; in Europe contact
ADNT, (33 1) 3956 5333) ships an implementation of X11R4 for the 386/486 Unix
market.
SGCS offers X386 Version 1.3, based on Thomas Roell's X11R5 two-headed
server, in binary and source form. Information: 408-255-9665, info@sgcs.com.
ISC, SCO, UHC, and other well-known operating-system vendors typically
offer X servers.
For MSDOS PCs:
Daniel J. McCoy (mccoy@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov) has started posting monthly a
list of non-UNIX servers for PCs, Macs, and Amigas; it includes pricing
information. The current copy is kept on export in contrib as
XServers-NonUNIX.txt.Z.
An article on PC X servers appears in the March 2, 1992 Open Systems Today.
Also of possible use:
Net-I from Programit (212-809-1707) enables communication among
DOS, OS/2 and Unix machines and can be used to display PC sessions on your
Unix X display.
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Subject: 71) Where can I get an X server on a Macintosh running MacOS?
eXodus from White Pine Software (603-886-9050) runs on any Mac with
at least 1MB of memory and runs the X server within a standard Macintosh
window. Version 3.0 [6/91] supports intermixing of X and Mac windows and
the ADSP protocol. The version supports the SHAPE extension and includes
DECwindows support.
Apple's MacX runs on MacPlus or newer machines with >= 2MB of memory
and system software 6.0.4 or later. Version 1.1 is fully X11R4-based. It
supports full ICCCM-compatible cut and paste of text AND graphics between the
Macintosh and X11 worlds, the SHAPE extension (including SHAPEd windows on the
Macintosh desktop), an optional built-in ICCCM-compliant window manager, X11R4
fonts and colors, a built-in BDF font compiler, and built-in standard
colormaps. Upgrades to MacX are available by ftp from aux.support.apple.com.
Info: 408-996-1010.
[Note: MacX is also the name of a vax-mac xmodem transfer utility.]
Also:
Liken (1-800-245-UNIX or info@qualix.com) software enables monochrome
68000 Mac applications to run on a SPARC system running X.
Xport (1-800-245-UNIX (415-572-0200) or xport@qualix.com) enables Mac
applications to display on an X-based workstation by turning the Mac into an X
client.
Intercon has a product called Planet-X which enables Mac applications
to display on an X server.
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Subject: 72) Where can I get X for the Amiga?
The new Amiga 3000 machines offer an X server and OPEN LOOK tools and
libraries on a full SVR4 implementation.
GfxBase, Inc. provides "X11 R4.1" for the AmigaDos computer; it
contains X11R4 clients, fonts, etc., and a Release 4 color server. An optional
programmer's toolkit includes the header files, libraries, and sample programs.
Info from GfxBase, 408-262-1469. [Dale Luck
(uunet!{cbmvax|pyramid}!boing!dale); 2/91]
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Subject: 73) Where can I get a fast X server for a workstation?
The R5 server should be among the fastest available for most machines.
Sun sells a "Direct Xlib" product which improves rendering for
applications running on the same machine as the X server; the replacement Xlib
library accesses graphics hardware directly using Sun's Direct Graphics Access
(DGA) technology.
International Quest Corporation (408-988-8289) has an optimized R4
server for Sun3/4 under SunOS 4.0.
Unipalm have R4 Servers for Sun3 and Sparc platforms. These are
optimised to use graphics hardware and will run with Sunview. Information:
+44 954 211797 or xtech@unipalm.co.uk.
Xgraph's Xtool (408-492-9031) is an X server implemented in SunView
which boasts impressive results on Sun 3 and SPARC systems. [6/90]
Several companies are making hardware accellerator boards:
Dupont Pixel Systems (302-992-6911), for Sun.
Megatek's (619-455-5590) X-cellerator board for the Sun 3 and Sun 4 is
based on the TI 34020; the company claims performance improvements of 5x to
10x over the sample X11R3 server.
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Subject: 74)! Where can I get a server for my high-end Sun graphics board?
Takahashi Naoto (Electrotechnical Laboratory, ntakahas@etl.go.jp) has
modified the MIT X11R5 server to support the Sun CG8, CG9, and CG12 boards.
The files are on export in contrib/Xsun24-3.[01].tar.Z. Note that both files
are necessary to build Xsun24-3.1.
The JPL R5 Xsun Multi-screen server is a general purpose replacement
for the MIT server/ddx/sun layer; it provides for the screen to be split among
several monitors and implements several other features above the MIT
implementation. Available on export.lcs.mit.edu in the file
contrib/R5.Xsun.multi-screen.tar.Z. [Kaleb Keithley, kaleb@thyme.jpl.nasa.gov,
12/91; the file was updated 24 Mar 1993.]
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Subject: 75) Where can I get an "X terminal" server for my low-end Sun 3/50?
Seth Robertson (seth@ctr.columbia.edu) has written Xkernel; the current
version [1.4 as of 8/91, 2.0 expected RSN] is on sol.ctr.columbia.edu
[128.59.64.40] in /pub/Xkernel.gamma. It turns a Sun 3/50 into a pseudo- X
terminal; most of the overhead of the operating system is side-stepped, so it
is fairly fast and needs little disk space.
A similar approach is to run the regular X server by making /etc/init
a shell script which does the minimal setup and then invokes Xsun, like this
example script from mouse@larry.mcrcim.mcgill.EDU:
#! /bin/sh
exec >/dev/console 2>&1
/etc/fsck -p /dev/nd0
case $? in
0) ;;
4) /etc/reboot -q -n
;;
8) echo ND fsck failed - get help
/etc/halt
;;
12) echo Interrupted
/etc/reboot
;;
*) echo Unknown error in reboot fsck - get help
/etc/halt
;;
esac
/bin/dd if=/tmp-fs of=/dev/nd2 bs=512 count=128 >/dev/null 2>&1
/etc/mount /dev/nd2 /tmp
/etc/ifconfig le0 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 132.206.41.255
/etc/mount -o ro apollo:/u2/x11/lib /local/lib/X11
/etc/route add default 132.206.41.1 1 >/dev/null
set `/etc/ifconfig le0`
exec /Xsun -once -multidisp -mux -query \
`(sh -vn </local/lib/X11/xdm-servers/$2 2>&1)`
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Subject: 76) What terminal emulators other than xterm are available?
PCS has rewritten xterm from scratch using a multi-widget approach that
can be used by applications. A version is on the R5 contrib tape and on
export in contrib/emu.tar.Z [10/91]. For more information, contact
me@dude.pcs.com.
mxterm, a Motif-based xterm is available from the Paderborner
ftp-Server ftp@uni-paderborn.de (131.234.2.32), file
/unix/X11/more_contrib/mxterm.tar.Z.
The Color Terminal Widget provides ANSI-terminal emulation compatible
with the VTx00 series; a version is on export in contrib/CTW-1.1.tar.Z. A
Motif version is on ftp.stna7.stna.dgac.fr in pub/Term-1.0.tar.Z.
kterm 4.1.2 is an X11R4-based vt100/vt102 (and Tektronix 4014) terminal
emulator that supports display of Chinese, Japanese, and Korean text (in VT
mode). Also supported are: ANSI color sequences, multi-byte word selection,
limited Compound Text support, and tab and newline preservation in selections.
kterm 4.1.2 is also available from these anonymous ftp sites:
clr.nmsu.edu:pub/misc/kterm-4.1.2.tar.Z [128.123.1.14]
export.lcs.mit.edu:contrib/kterm-4.1.2.tar.Z [18.24.0.12]
kum.kaist.ac.kr:pub/unix/Xstuffs/kterm-4.1.2.tar.Z [137.68.1.65]
[courtesy of Mark Leisher <mleisher@nmsu.edu> ]
kterm-5.1.1.tar.Z is now on export [12/92].
mterm, by mouse@larry.McRCIM.McGill.EDU, is an X terminal emulator
which includes ANSI X3.64 and DEC emulation modes. mterm can be had by ftp to
larry.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (132.206.1.1), in X/mterm.src/mterm.ball-o-wax.
Cxterm is a Chinese xterm, which supports both GB2312-1980 and the
so-called Big-5 encoding. Hanzi input conversion mechanism is builtin in
cxterm. Most input methods are stored in external files that are loaded at run
time. Users can redefine any existing input methods or create their own ones.
The X11R5 cxterm is the rewritten of cxterm (version 11.5.1) based on X11R5
xterm; it is in the R5 contrib software. [thanks to Zhou Ning
<zhou@tele.unit.no> and Steinar Bang <uunet!idt.unit.no!steinarb>.]
XVT is available on export's contrib in xvt-1.0.tar.Z and
xvt-1.0.README. It is designed to offer xterm's functionality with lower swap
space and may be of particular use on systems driving many X terminals.
x3270 is in X11R5 contrib/.
Also:
IBM sells a 3270 emulator for the RS/6000 (part #5765-011); it's based
on Motif.
Century Software (801-268-3088) sells a VT220 terminal emulator for X.
VT102, Wyse 50 and SCO Color Console emulation are also available.
Grafpoint's TGRAF-X provides emulation of Tektronix 4107, 4125, and
42xx graphics terminals; it's available for most major platforms. Information
(inc. free demo copies): 800-426-2230; Fax. 408-446-0666; uunet!grafpnt!sales.
IXI's X.deskterm, a package for integrating character-based
applications into an X environment, includes a number of terminal-emulation
modules. Information: +44 (0223) 462131. [5/90]
Pericom produces Teem-X, a set of several emulation packages for a
number of Tek, DEC, Westward, and Data General terminals. The software runs on
Sun 3, Sun 4, Apollo, DEC, ISC, IBM/AIX. Information: US: 609-895-0404,
UK: +44 (0908) 560022. [5/90]
SCO's SCOterm (info@sco.COM), part of its Open Desktop environment, is
a Motif-compliant SCO ANSI color console emulator.
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Subject: 77)! Where can I get an X-based editor or word-processor?
You can ftp a version of GNU Emacs, the extensible, customizable,
self-documenting, real-time display editor, including X11 support, from
prep.ai.mit.edu [18.71.0.38]:/pub/gnu/emacs-18.59.tar.Z or
informatik.tu-muenchen.de:/pub/GNU/emacs/emacs-18.59.tar.Z.
Epoch is a modified version of Gnu Emacs (18) with additional
facilities useful in an X environment. Current sources are on cs.uiuc.edu
(128.174.252.1) in ~ftp/pub/epoch-files/epoch; the current [3/92] version is
4.0. [In Europe, try unido.informatik.uni-dortmund.de]. There are two
subdirectories: epoch contains the epoch source, and gwm contains the source
to the programmable window manager GWM, with which epoch works well.]
You can get on the Epoch mailing list by sending a request to
epoch-request@cs.uiuc.edu.
Lucid Emacs is a version of GNU Emacs derived from an early version of
Emacs version 19. It currently requires X Windows to run; X support is
greatly enhanced over GNU Emacs version 18, including support for multiple X
windows, input and display of all ISO-8859-1 (Latin1) characters, Zmacs/Lispm
style region highlighting, a customizable Motif-like menubar, more powerful
keymap support, flexible text attributes, support on regional and screen-local
basis through X resources and/or lisp, and support for the X11 selection
mechanism. Lucid Emacs is free; the latest version (2/93) is 19.4, and is
available from labrea.stanford.edu in the pub/gnu/lucid/ directory.
The Andrew system on the X11 contrib tapes has been described as one of
the best word-processing packages available. It supports word processing with
multi-media embedded objects: rasters, tables/spread sheets, drawings, style
editor, application builder, embedded programming language, &c. Release 5.1
became available 2 June 92. [Fred Hansen (wjh+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU)]
You may be able to use the Remote Andrew Demo service to try this
software; try "finger help@atk.itc.cmu.edu" for help.
The InterViews C++ toolkit contains a WYSIWIG editor called Doc; it
saves and loads files in a LaTeX-*like* format (not quite LaTeX). The package
can also import idraw-PostScript drawings.
A simple editor aXe (by J.K.Wight@newcastle.ac.uk) is available on
export and arjuna.newcastle.ac.uk (128.240.150.1) as aXe-4.1.tar.Z [3/93]. It
is based around the Xaw Text widget.
TED is a simple Motif-based text editor; it is a wrapper around the
Motif text widget which offers search/replace, paragraph formatting, and
navigation features. TED is available from ftp.eos.ncsu.edu (152.1.9.25) as
/pub/bill.tar.Z; here are also executables there.
Point, by crowley@unmvax.cs.unm.edu (Charlie Crowley), is Tcl/Tk-based
and offers dyanimic configuration and programming in the Tcl macro language.
The editor is available from unmvax.cs.unm.edu (129.24.16.1) as
pub/Point/point1.1-tar.Z.
asedit, by Andrzej Stochniol (astoch@ic.ac.uk) is on export in
contrib/asedit.tar.Z. It is a simple text editor built around the Motif Text
widget. Version 1.11 was released 1/93.
Also:
Elan Computer Group (Mountain View, CA; 415-964-2200) has announced the
Avalon Publisher 2.0, an X11/OPEN LOOK WYSIWYG electronic publishing system.
FrameMaker and FrameWriter are available as X-based binary products for
several machines. Frame is at 800-843-7263 (CA: 408-433-3311).
WX2 (formerly InDepthEdit) is available from Non Standard Logics
(+33 (1) 43 36 77 50; requests@nsl.fr).
Buzzwords International Inc. has an editor called 'Professional Edit'
that runs under X/Motif for various platforms. Info: +1-314-334-6317.
DECwrite is available from DEC for some DEC hardware and SunWrite is
available from Sun.
IslandWrite will soon be available from Island Graphics (415-491-1000)
(info@island.com) for some HP & Apollo platforms.
Interleaf is currently available from Interleaf (800-241-7700,
MA: 617-577-9800) on all Sun and DEC platforms; others are under development.
The Aster*x office integration tools from Applix (1-800-8APPLIX,
MA: 508-870-0300) include a multi-font WYSIWG document composer; for several
systems.
ArborText, Inc. provides an X11 version of its Electronic Publishing
program called "The Publisher". The Publisher is available on Sun, HP and
Apollo workstations. Contact Arbortext at 313-996-3566. [5/90]
Iris Computing Laboratories offers the "ie" editor. Info:
+1-505-988-2670 or info@spectro.com.
BBN/Slate from BBN Software Products includes a menu-driven word
processor with multiple fonts and style sheets. It supports X on
multiple platforms. (617-873-5000 or slate-offer@bbn.com) [11/90]
The powerful "sam" editor by Rob Pike is split into a host portion and
a front-end graphics portion, which now has an X implementation. sam is now
available by anonymous ftp from research.att.com, in dist/sam/bundle.Z. Watch
that space for updated versions. There is a mailing list for sam users;
requests to <sam-fans-request@hawkwind.utcs.toronto.edu>. A set of extensions
which augment the mouse activity with the keyboard is available from
uxc.cso.uiuc.edu in pub/sam/samx1.0.shar.
Innovative Solutions (505-883-4252; or Brian Zimbelman,
is!brian@bbx.basis.com) publishes the user-configurable Motif-based Xamine
editor.
Qualix offers a product. Information: info@qualix.com or 800-245-UNIX
(415-572-0200).
Typex is a Motif-based editor available for several systems.
Information: Amcad Research, 408-867-5705, fax -6209.
WordPerfect offers an X-based version of WordPerfect 5.1 for several
workstations. Information: 801-222-5300 or 800-451-5151.
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Subject: 78) Where can I get an X-based mailer?
xmh, an X interface to mh, is distributed with the X11 release.
Xmail is an X-based window interface to Berkeley-style mail handlers;
it is styled primarily after the Sunview mailtool application and builds on
most Unix systems. The current release [1/92] is 1.4, available in the MIT
X11R5 contrib tape and from export and uunet. Info: Jeff Markham,
markham@cadence.com.
MMH (My Mail Handler), a motif interface to the MH mail handler, is
available from ftp.eos.ncsu.edu (152.1.9.25) in pub/bill.tar.Z; it is bundled
with the TED editor, which it uses for composing messages. Motif 1.1 is
required; if you don't have it, look for DEC and SPARC executables in the same
place. Information and problems to: Erik Scott, escott@eos.ncsu.edu. [1/92]
The Andrew Toolkit supports the Andrew Message System; it is available
from export and many other X archives and from emsworth.andrew.cmu.edu
(128.2.30.62), or send email to susan+@andrew.cmu.edu. Release 5.1 became
available 2 June 92.
You may be able to use the Remote Andrew Demo service to try this
software; try "finger help@atk.itc.cmu.edu" for help.
XMailTool is an Xaw-based interface to a BSD-style mail reader; version
2.0 was released 9/92. Information: Bob Kierski, bobo@cray.com or 612-683-5874.
Cem is a Motif-based mailer using standard mailbox formats; it is on
nelson.tx.ncsu.edu in pub/Cem. Information: Sam Moore (Sam_Moore@ncsu.edu).
Also:
Alfalfa Software offers Poste, a UNIX-based mailer that has Motif- and
command-based interfaces. It includes support for multimedia enclosures, and
supports both the Internet and X.400 mail standards. Information:
info@alfalfa.com, +1 617-497-2922.
Z-Code Software offers Z-Mail for most Unix systems; binaries support
both tty and Motif interfaces. The mailer includes a csh-like scripting
language for customizing and extending mail capabilities. Information:
info@z-code.com, +1 415 499-8649.
Several vendors' systems include X-based mailers. DEC offers dxmail;
Sun offers an X-based mailtool; SCO (info@sco.com) includes SCOmail in its Open
Desktop product.
Several integrated office-productivity tools include mailers:
The Aster*x office integration tools from Applix (1-800-8APPLIX,
MA: 508-870-0300) include a mailer.
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Subject: 79)! Where can I get an X-based paint/draw program?
xpic is an object-oriented drawing program. It supports multiple font
styles and sizes and variable line widths; there are no rotations or zooms.
xpic is quite suitable as an interactive front-end to pic, though the
xpic-format produced can be converted into PostScript. (The latest version is
on the R4 contrib tape in clients/xpic.)
xfig (by Brian V. Smith (bvsmith@lbl.gov)) is an object-oriented
drawing program supporting compound objects. The xfig format can be converted
to PostScript or other formats. Recent versions are on the R5 contrib tape or
on export in /contrib/R5fixes (version 2.1.6 [11/92]).
idraw supports numerous fonts and various line styles and arbitrary
rotations. It supports zoom and scroll and color draws and fills. The file
format is a PostScript dialect. It can import TIFF files. Distributed as a part
of the InterViews C++ toolkit (current release 3.1, from
interviews.stanford.edu) .
A version of Robert Forsman's (thoth@lightning.cis.ufl.edu) xscribble,
an 8-bit paint program for X, is now on ftp.cis.ufl.edu in pub/thoth/. [2/93]
xpaint is available from ftp.ee.lbl.gov as xpaint.tar.Z.
A rewrite, Xpaint 2.0, by David Koblas (koblas@netcom.com) was released
2/93 as xpaint2pl3.tar.Z. xpaint is a bitmap/pixmap editing tool.
A new OpenWindows PostScript-based graphical editor named 'ice' is now
[2/91] available for anonymous ftp from Internet host lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu
(129.236.10.30). ice (Image Composition Environment) is an imaging tool that
allows raster images to be combined with a wide variety of PostScript
annotations in WYSIWYG fashion via X11 imaging routines and NeWS PostScript
rasterizing. (It may require OpenWindows and Sun C++ 2.0.)
tgif by William Cheng (william@oahu.cs.ucla.edu) is available from most
uucp sites and also from export and from cs.ucla.edu. It is frequently updated;
version 2.12-patch18 was released 3/93.
The "pixmap" program (info: colas@sa.inria.fr) for creating pixmaps is
on the R5 contrib tape; it resembles the bitmap client. Version 2.1 is now
available. [11/92]
Although MetaCard is not generally classified as a paint program, a
full 24-bit color image editor is built into the program, which can be used for
light image editing and for producing color icons (info@metacard.com). MetaCard
is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.metacard.com, csn.org, or
128.138.213.21.
pixt by J. Michael Flanery produces XPM output.
Also:
dxpaint is a bitmap-oriented drawing program most like MacPaint; it's
good for use by artists but commonly held to be bad for drawing figures or
drafting. dxpaint is part of DEC's Ultrix release.
FrameMaker has some draw capabilities. [4/90]
BBN/Slate from BBN Software Products includes a full-featured draw and
paint program with object grouping and multiple patterns; multiple X platforms.
(617-873-5000 or slate-offer@bbn.com). [11/90]
Dux Ta-Dah!, 1-800-543-4999
IslandGraphics offers IslandDraw, IslandPaint, IslandPresent.
Info: 415-491-1000.
Corel Draw, 613-728-8200; ported to X by Prior Data Sciences
800-267-2626
Arts&Letters Composer, 214-661-8960
Ficor AutoGraph, 513-771-4466
OpenWindows includes the olpixmap editor.
SCO ODT includes the SCOpaint editor.
HP VUE includes the vueicon editor.
Several integrated office-productivity tools include draw/paint capabilities:
The Aster*x office integration tools from Applix (1-800-8APPLIX,
MA: 508-870-0300) include draw/paint capabilities.
[thanks in part to Stephen J. Byers (af997@cobcs1.cummins.com) and to
J. Daniel Smith (dsmith@ann-arbor.applicon.slb.com)]
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David B. Lewis faq%craft@uunet.uu.net
"Just the FAQs, ma'am." -- Joe Friday
--
David B. Lewis Temporarily at but not speaking for Visual, Inc.
day: dbl@visual.com evening: david%craft@uunet.uu.net
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From: rmf@bpdsun1.uucp (Rob Finley)
Subject: Re: RAMs &ROMs with ALE latches (for 8051's)
Organization: Harris Allied Broadcast Div., Quincy, IL
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Intel also makes some neat memory and peripheral chips:
Old technology (early 1980's)
8155 ram plus IO (slow ram as I recall)
8755 eprom plus IO (expensive and slow)
Intel does make Eproms with built in address latches.
I fear that you would need a very flexible and up-to-date eprom
programmer to write to them.
give them a call. I am not able to locate their memory products book
yet.
Sigh... Now, who borrowed it...
Robert
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From: kirsch@staff.tc.umn.edu (Dave 'Almost Cursed the Jays' Kirsch)
Subject: Re: Jose Canseco's swing - 1992 vs. 1986.
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Organization: Li'l Carlos and the Hormones
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In article <C5r5B8.D1u@ucdavis.edu> ez027993@dale.ucdavis.edu (Gary 'Man From'
Villanueva Huckabay) writes:
>
>It's certainly not very easy. What I do is use frame advance on the tape,
>and simply count the frames. Five times, and try to throw out any outliers.
>It's not perfect, but it's better than a blow to the head with a large
>metal object.
Ah, so you finally found a use for that super slo-mo and frame advance
other than scrutinizing "Sorority Babes in Heat". Congrats!
>I wish I had FILMS instead of tapes, preferably at 48fps rather than 24,
>but while I'm at it, I'd like to have ten million dollars, and be able
>to eat anything I want and never gain any weight, either.
Trust me, you'd have a helluva time manipulating them. Besides, if you
converted the film to video you'd have all kinds of artifacts because of the
difference in frame rate (unless you're an expert at doing 3/2 pulldown for
a laserdisc company or something).
>Gary's list of the ten slowest bats in baseball:
Hey, no fair! What about 'Fettucine' Alfredo Griffin? The guy practically
has to pivot the bat around along with his body.
>Gary's list of "How the HELL can he hit like that?"
>
>1. Julio Franco
>2. Phil Plantier
>9. Darren Daulton
Daulton doesn't strike me as all that strange. He's a little bit quiet at
the plate but, like Franco, gets the bat through the hitting zone on a level
plane. The first time I watched Julio Franco, I didn't think *anyone* could
hit like that. Now I marvel at how easy he makes it look; every time he makes
contact, it's *solid*. He's got good power to all fields and rarely is he
caught not ready for a pitch.
I wonder if Phil Plantier had a severe bout with hemorrhoids and had to
practice his swing while 'on the throne'? :-) Sure looks like it :-)
How 'bout one to add to your list: Travis Fryman? The guy plants his front
foot and seems to swing *across* his body. He generates a lot of power, but
I keep thinking he could generate even more if he could get a better pivot
out of his hips.
>Gary's list of "I'd give Dave Kirsch's kidneys to have a swing like that."
Well, they're already spoken for (by several people), but ..
I'd add Robbie Alomar's name to the list, among others. I really like Dean
Palmer's swing, for some twisted reason, as well as Pedro Munoz's swing.
>That's all for now. I'm looking at Derrick May's tapes tonight, along
>with Troy Neel's. That guy is a serious ox.
A thought about May: It looks like they've taught him to turn on the ball.
IMHO, he's going to fall in love with his newfound power and start pulling
off the ball to the point that he's going to see *lots* of sinkers/sliders
low and away. Unless he adjusts quickly and starts rifling doubles to left
and left-center, IMHO you're going to see a good number of weak grounders to
the right side of the infield in the next month.
--
Dave Hung Like a Jim Acker Slider Kirsch Blue Jays - Do it again in '93
kirsch@staff.tc.umn.edu New .. quotes out of context!
"Not to beat a dead horse, but it's been a couple o' weeks .. this
disappoints me..punishments..discharges..jackhammering.." - Stephen Lawrence
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From: m23364@mwunix.mitre.org (James Meritt)
Subject: Re: Silence is concurance
Nntp-Posting-Host: mwunix.mitre.org
Organization: MITRE Corporation, McLean VA
Distribution: usa
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In article <9157@blue.cis.pitt.edu> joslin@pogo.isp.pitt.edu (David Joslin) writes:
}For those missing the context of this thrilling discussion between
}Jim and I, Jim wrote the following to me in e-mail after I pointed out
Hate to shatter your self image of perfection that you appear to hold, but
your language is wrong: Jim and me.
}I pointed out that I did, in fact, agree that both Robert Weiss and
}Jim Meritt took quotes out of context. Hence, I find it difficult to
}understand why Jim thinks I am a hypocrite. Needless to say, I don't
}have time to reply to *every* article on t.r.m. that takes a quote
}out of context.
Of course not - just the ones you disagree with. Q.E.D.
}>}So, according to you, Jim, the only way to criticize one person for
}>}taking a quote out of context, without being a hypocrite, is to post a
}>}response to *every* person on t.r.m who takes a quote out of context?
}
}Jim replied by saying
}>Did I either ask or assert that?
}
}But today we find four articles from Jim, one of which has the subject
So? As of then, and pointing out a specific instance. Wrongo again.
}>Is it not the case that, in the eyes of the law, when someone is aware of
}>something and has the capability of taking action and does not, that individual
}>may be held responsible for that action?
}
}Which is, of course, a complete red herring. Taking quotes out of
}context isn't a crime. I don't have time to read every article on
}t.r.m., and I'm certainly under no obligation to reply to them all.
So? Check the newsgroups?
}Does "silence is concurrence" imply that Jim thinks that because I
}didn't respond to Weiss' articles I must condone Weiss' taking quotes
}out of context? Jim doesn't want to give a direct answer to this
}question; read what he has written and decide for yourself.
Telepathy again? You claim to know what I "want".
}But back to the context of my conversation with Jim. Jim's next
}gambit was to claim that he was using inductive logic when he
}concluded that I was being a hypocrite. I challenged him to provide
}the details of that logic that led him to an incorrect conclusion.
No. YOu asked specifically what was wrong with yours.
}Today we find another obscure article (posting it twice didn't help
Maybe to the ignorant. I accept your classification.
}More red herrings. Could Jim mean that he has read an uncountably large
}number of my articles?
Do you know what "uncountably large" means? It does not appear so.
}Could Jim mean that because I "axed" his articles,
}but not Weiss' articles, he wants to conclude inductively ...
}Well, I can't see where he is going with this.
I am not suprised.
}But I can help him with his induction. I've written roughly 80
That does not appear to be the case. The appearance of your "Argument"
is more like that Captain Kirk would have gotten from Mr. Spock - written
by a stagehand at Paramount.
}Think hard about this Jim. See the pattern? Think harder. Run it
}through your induction engine and see what pops out.
Of course. You appear arrogant. So? I already had figured that out.
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From: kthompso@donald.WichitaKS.NCR.COM (Ken Thompson)
Subject: Re: 68HC11 problem
Organization: NCR Corporation Wichita, KS
Lines: 21
mdanjou@gel.ulaval.ca (Martin D'Anjou) writes:
B
)>>>>>>>>> Votre host est mal configure... <<<<<<<<<<<<
)Bonjour Sylvain,
) J'ai travaille avec le hc11 il y a 3 ans et je ne me souviens pas de toutes les possibilites mais je vais quand meme essayer de t'aider.
) Je ne crois pas que downloader une programme directement dans le eeprom soit une bonne idee (le eeprom a une duree de vie limitee a 10 000 cycles il me semble). Le communication break down vient peut-etre du fait que le eeprom est long a programmer (1ms par 8 bytes mais c'est a verifier) et que les delais de transfer de programme s19 vers la memoire sont excedes. Normalement, les transferts en RAM du code s19 est plus rapide car le RAM est plus rapide que le eeprom en ecriture.
) C'est tout ce que ma memoire me permet de me souvenir!
)Bonne chance,
Oh yeah easy for him to say!...
--
Ken Thompson N0ITL
NCR Corp. Peripheral Products Division Disk Array Development
3718 N. Rock Road Wichita KS 67226 (316)636-8783
Ken.Thompson@wichitaks.ncr.com
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From: hambidge@bms.com
Subject: Re: Lavishly Funded "Gun Epidemic" Propaganda Campaign to Commence
Reply-To: hambidge@bms.com
Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb
Distribution: usa
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In article <C4txEK.FCq@magpie.linknet.com>, manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes) writes:
>Morris the Cat (rats@cbnewsc.cb.att.com) wrote:
>
>: Well, as Neal Knox of the Firearms Coalition points out, the full
>: force of the anti-gun ruling class, their multi-millions, their
>: polling organizations, their schools, their news media, their
>: "entertainment" media
>
>The entertainment media... a "force of the anti-gun ruling class"??
>Is this the same media that's made billions producing films and
>television that glorify guns and gun users? Or is that another
>anti-gun media?
>
>You've got to be kidding.
I'm afraid he isn't. They are a hypocritical lot.
Al
[standard disclaimer]
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From: pritchet@cs.scarolina.edu (Ronald W. Pritchett)
Subject: CD-ROM for a quadra...
Organization: USC Department of Computer Science
Distribution: comp
Lines: 17
would there be any problems with hooking up a Toshiba 3401 external CD-ROM
drive to a 700?
Ron
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From: swood@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Scott Wood)
Subject: Re: MORE Western Digital HD info needed
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester, Michigan, U.S.A.
Lines: 27
NNTP-Posting-Host: vela.acs.oakland.edu
cs3sd3ae@maccs.mcmaster.ca (Holly KS) writes:
`My Western Digital also has three sets of pins on the back. I am using it with
`another hard drive as well and the settings for the jumpers were written right
`on the circuit board of the WD drive......MA SL ??
Well, I figured out how the jumpers go. Now I have quite a different
problem that has me perplexed like you wouldn't know. I have both drives
working, the C: system formatted and all of my hardware installed. Only
problem is, that during the boot up sequence, the computer does not want
to pass up looking for a system on the A: drive.
Reinitialization all goes fine and the BIOS seems to be configured to
what is necessary. All the drive tests work, but when the thing comes
back around to the a: drive and there is no disk present, it just spins.
If you insert a disk into drive a with a system however, it works fine
and boots up (ie how installed all my software)
Any additional help on this will be most welcome....
swood
--
Hunting over in Michigan? Don't Despair - NO CLOSED SEASON ON:
opossum, porcupine, weasel, red squirrel, skunk, starlings,
feral pigeons, English sparrows, ground squirrel & woodchuck
Anyway trout season opens the last Saturday this month.
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From: amirza@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Anmar Caves)
Subject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card
Nntp-Posting-Host: bronze.ucs.indiana.edu
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: usa
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In article <1993Apr15.184452.27322@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) writes:
>In article <93104.231049U28037@uicvm.uic.edu> Jason Kratz <U28037@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>>All your points are very well taken and things that I haven't considered as
>>I am not really familiar enough with handguns.
>
>That's not all that Kratz doesn't know.
>
k
Guys, guys, (and gals), let's lay off Jason here. Though he stepped
in it, he has been very good so far about admitting he doesn't know
what he's talking about, and even more stunning is that he seems
--
Anmar Mirza # Chief of Tranquility #My Opinions! NotIU's!#CIANSAKGBFBI
EMT-D # Base, Lawrence Co. IN # Legalize Explosives!#ASSASINATEDEA
N9ISY (tech) # Somewhere out on the # Politicians prefer #NAZIPLUTONIUM
Networks Tech.# Mirza Ranch.C'mon over# unarmed peasants. #PRESIDENTFEMA
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From: yoony@aix.rpi.edu (Young-Hoon Yoon)
Subject: Re: A Scoop of Waco Road, Please
Keywords: topical, smirk
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cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes:
>Your "lite" posting for the day, from rec.humor.funny:
>In article <S539.2adf@looking.on.ca>, bellas@tti.com (Pete Bellas) writes:
>>
>> There is a new Ice Cream Flavor inspired by the incident at Waco.
>>
>> It's called Mount Caramel, it's full of nuts but you can't get it out
>> of the carton.
>--
>cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company,
>OR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors' Packet...
Even though I find this to be funny on the surface, the original poster of the
joke has tried and convicted the members of the BD to be a bunch of "nuts".
This may be a dangerous thing to do. It is my opinion that most educated
or well informed people of this country have some distrust of the government.
This should exist because as a bureaucracy, any government given enough time
will tend to exist for it self and not for the original purpose it was
created for. This distrust by the people should keep those in power in-line.
That and a properly functioning press. When a sensationalism oriented press
portrays a group of people as "nuts" or crazies, a violation of those
people's civil rights seem justified. Since we, as American's, have the
gurantee of rights as enumerated in the constitution, to include the
2nd ammendment, the government must appease the public's opinion or risk
voted out of existance, or if it has become corrupt enough to tamper with
domocratic process itself, being thrown out by force.
Our government as it stands, must appease the public. Therefore the
official press releases portray the BD's as fanatics who are a threat to
public safety. We must not prejudge people based on one sided information.
So far the only information that we are being given is comming from the very
agency that was embarrased by the BD(Branch Davidians sp?). It is to their
advantage to make the BD's as fanatical and dangerous as possible. If they
were portrayed as law-abiding citizen's, then they(ATF) had no justification
what so ever of doing what they did.
So let's keep an open mind. Jokes like above, even though it may be funny,
may mislead the public from the truth of the matter.
Just as an aside, my understanding of U.S. vs Rock Island and U.S. vs Dalton
leads me to believe that the National Firearms Act, which allows the Fed's
(in this case ATF) to regulate firearms(machine guns), has been deemed to be
unconstitutional since 1986.(By two federal district courts at least).
And since, I believe the only reason ATF was involved
in this case is because of firearms violations, it would be interesting to
find out whether or not the search warrent was based on the NFA.
It would be very embarrassing indeed if a search warrent based on a possibly
unconstitutional law has resulted in 4 deaths(Law enforcement).
****************************************************************************
The above opinions are mine and mine only.
I'm solely responsible for my opinions and my actions. If you must flame
then flame away, but a well constructed argument will be much more respected.
Young-hoon Yoon yoony@rpi.edu
211 North Hall n6zud@hibp1.ecse.rpi.edu
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute N6ZUD/2 HL9KMT(former)
Troy, NY 12180
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From: markh@wimsey.bc.ca (Mark C. Henderson)
Subject: Re: Source of random bits on a Unix workstation
Organization: Wimsey Information Services
Lines: 42
In article <1qs6cg$7cq@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> mrr@scss3.cl.msu.edu (Mark Riordan) writes:
>A few more sources are statistics on your filesystems (easily
>and quickly obtained) and the output from the "rusage" system
>call.
>
>You can also exec a finger to one or more favorite heavily-used
>systems, though this can take several seconds.
>
>cf. the source code to RIPEM on ripem.msu.edu.
>
>Mark R.
Other alternatives include output of vmstat, iostat, pstat and friends
with various flags, or even better crash.
e.g. on an RS/6000 (AIX 3.2) you can get lots of relatively
unpredicatble data out of crash. (the output from the following script
usually gives about 600k of goo on a moderately busy system.)
#!/bin/sh
crash <<!
proc -
tty
stack
pcb
callout
vfs -
socket
vnode
inode -
mbuf
file
mst
buffer
le
!
--
Mark Henderson
markh@wimsey.bc.ca
RIPEM key available by key server/finger/E-mail
MD5OfPublicKey: F1F5F0C3984CBEAF3889ADAFA2437433
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From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Subject: Re: Great Post! (was Re: Candida (yeast) Bloom...) (VERY LONG)
Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science
Lines: 50
In article <noringC5wzM4.41n@netcom.com> noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) writes:
Hate to wreck your elaborate theory, but Steve Dyer is not an MD.
So professional jealosy over doctors who help their patients with
Nystatin, etc., can't very well come into the picture. Steve
doesn't have any patients.
>response to specificially Candida albicans, and I showed a strong positive.
>Another question, would everybody show the same strong positive so this test
>is essentially useless? And, assuming it is true that Candida can grow
Yes, everyone who is normal does that. We use candida on the other arm
when we put a tuberculin test on. If people don't react to candida,
we assume the TB test was not conclusive since such people may not
react to anything. All normal people have antibodies to candida.
If not, you would quickly turn into a fungus ball.
>This brings up an interesting observation used by those who will deny
>and reject any and all aspects of the 'yeast hypothesis' until the
>appropriate studies are done. And that is if you can't observe or culture
>the yeast "bloom" in the gut or sinus, then there's no way to diagnose or
>even recognize the disease. And I know they realize that it is virtually
>impossible to test for candida overbloom in any part of the body that cannot
>be easily observed since candida is everywhere in the body.
>
>It's a real Catch-22.
>
You've just discovered one of the requirements for a good quack theory.
Find something that no one can *disprove* and then write a book saying
it is the cause of whatever. Since no one can disprove it, you can
rake in the bucks for quite some time.
>>...I have often wondered what an M.D. with chronic
>>GI distress or sinus problems would do about the problem that he tells his
>>patients is a non-existent syndrome.
>
That is odd, isn't it? Why do you suppose it is that MDs with these
common problems don't go for these crazy ideas? Does the "professional
jealosy" extend to suffering in silence, even though they know they
could be cured if they just followed this quack book?
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geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."
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From: uk02183@nx10.mik.uky.edu (bryan k williams)
Subject: Re: CView answers
Keywords: Stupid Programming
Nntp-Posting-Host: nx10.mik.uky.edu
Organization: University of Kentucky
Lines: 4
Well, the temp file thing creates an obvious problem: it is impossible to use
cview for viewing CD-ROM based picture collections. And it is the ONLY non-
windows viewer that works properly with my Cirrus-based 24 bit VGA.
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From: jmuller@ic.sunysb.edu (John S Muller)
Subject: WAYNE RIGBY
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Lines: 20
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: csws18.ic.sunysb.edu
Sorry to clog up the news group with this message.
Wayne Rigby, I have the info you requested, but for some
reason I can not mail it to you. Please contact me!
Send email address.
j
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to keep the grass from falling off the earth" - Some Stupid Comedian
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From: schauf@iastate.edu (Brian J Schaufenbuel)
Subject: Philips 17" monitor
Keywords: 17" monitor
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Distribution: usa
Lines: 26
Does anybody have an opinion on the Philips 1762DT 17" monitor? How does it
compare to the Nanao 17"? I am looking for a good 17" (like many other
net'ers) and found a good price for the Philips. Here some the specs:
Sony Trinitron tube
digital micro control
1280x1024 NI
.25 dp
300x225 mm display area
to 100 Hz refresh
anti-glare, MPR-II...
auto-scan 30-64 kHz
Why don't I ever see this monitor for sale (ONE company in Apr computer shopper)
What is the 1764DC? What is the best price around for this?....
and how 'bout that MAG 17"? I love my MAG 15" (except for that little color
alignment thing on the l/r edges)...
--
_______________________________________- Brian Schaufenbuel____________________
| Brian J Schaufenbuel [ "There is no art which one government sooner learns ]
| Helser 3644 Halsted [ than that of draining money from the pockets of the ]
| Ames, Ia 50012 [ people [especially college students]." - Adam Smith ]
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From: finnegan@invader.navo.navy.mil (Kenneth Finnegan)
Subject: Re: top 10 reasons why i love CR (not for the humor impaired)
Article-I.D.: cs.1993Apr6.195710.24227
Reply-To: finnegan@navo.navy.mil
Distribution: na
Organization: Grumman Data Systems
Lines: 28
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-19510]: invader.navo.navy.mil
In article <1993Apr6.180456.17573@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen) writes:
|> In article <1993Apr06.133319.7008@metrics.com> tomh@metrics.com (Tom Haapanen) writes:
|> >CHINTS@ISCS.NUS.SG writes:
|> >> Here are "another" ten reasons why we should all love CR
|> >> 10. Car salesmen love their new car buying service
|> >> 2. And later on buying a CR "idealized family sedan"
|> >
|> >And my number 1:
|> >
|> >1. The spectacle of the religious fervour of the CR "true believers".
|>
|> Or the spectacle of "Macho Real Men" who would never bother to read the
|> magazine but are more than apt to criticize it.
Hey, I'm a "Macho Real Man" and I DO read it. So I can criticize
it all I want, especially since I pay for the publication. (They
accept no outside advertising, don't you know....)
|> John Nielsen MAGNUS Consultant ______ ______ __ __
|> "To you Baldrick, the Renaissance was just /\ __ \ /\ ___\ /\ \/\ \
|> something that happened to other people, \ \ \/\ \\ \___ \\ \ \_\ \
|> wasn't it?" - The Black Adder \ \_____\\/\_____\\ \_____\
Relying on Consumer Reports to pick your automobiles is like
letting Field & Stream select your living room furniture.
Kenneth
finnegan@navo.navy.mil
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Nntp-Posting-Host: surt.ifi.uio.no
From: Thomas Parsli <thomasp@ifi.uio.no>
Subject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card
In-Reply-To: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras)'s message of 15 Apr 1993
13:08:14 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway
<1qjmnuINNlmd@clem.handheld.com>
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Originator: thomasp@surt.ifi.uio.no
I HATE long postings, but this turned out to be rather lengthy....
Overall Crime rate:
It fell....just like that...
Acquiring weapons in Norway:
You can buy (almost) all kinds of weapons in Norway, BUT you must have a
permit, and a good reason to get the permit....
If I would like to have a handgun, i would have to get an gun-licence from
the police and to be a member of a gun-club.
The police would check my criminal records for any SERIOUS crimes and/or
records of SERIOUS mental diseases.
Now, if a got my licence, I would have to be an active member of the gun
-club for 6 months BEFORE I could collect my gun.
It's a little like getting a drivers licence isn't it ???
You have to prove that you CAN drive before you are allowed to...
Use of guns in crimes (in Norway):
Some crimes are commited with guns that have been in the owners 'arms'
for a long time, but these are rather the exeption.
Most criminals accuire guns to use them in crimes, and mostly short
time befor the crime.
Use of knives:
It IS allowed to cary knifes in public, but not in your belt or 'open'.
You (Americans) think it's ok to have a gun, but not to carry it open
in public -rigth ??
Scandinavians ARE 'aggressive':
We northeners are not as hot-livered as southeners, but when we decide
to take action we DO.
Ask ANY historian or millitary with an knowledge of europe....
(Or ask any German who served in Norway in WW2.....)
Individual vs masses:
Yes the individual is more important than the masses, but only to some
extent....
Your criminal laws are to protect the individuals who makes the masses ??
What happens when the rigths of some individuals affects the rights of
all the others ??
The issue:
I believe the issue is GUNS, and gun-legislation.
We shouldn't mix weapons and items that can serve as one....
IF i lived in Amerika I would probably have a gun to defend myselfe in HOME.
But should it have to be like that ??
Do you think it's wise to sell guns like candy (some states do...) ??
If you believe it's smart/neccacery to have drivers-licence WHY do you think
it should be free to buy guns ??
Disclaim-her:
I'm not a pacifist or anti gun.
I would defend my home, loved ones and country, but I don't view guns as
neccities or toys.
I HAVE done army service, and HAVE used a variaty of weapons, but wouldn't
want to have one for self defence or because they 'feel good'....
This is not a .signature.
It's marly a computergenerated text to waste bandwith
and to bring down the evil Internet.
Thomas Parsli
thomasp@ifi.uio.no
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From: wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (Bill Mayhew)
Subject: Re: Laser vs Bubblejet?
Organization: Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine
Lines: 29
FYI: The actual horizontal dot placement resoution of an HP
deskjet is 1/600th inch. The electronics and dynamics of the ink
cartridge, however, limit you to generating dots at 300 per inch.
On almost any paper, the ink wicks more than 1/300th inch anyway.
The method of depositing and fusing toner of a laster printer
results in much less spread than ink drop technology.
It doesn't take much investigation to see that the mechanical and
electronic complement of a laser printer is more complex than
inexpensive ink jet printers. Recall also that laser printers
offer a much higher throughput: 10 ppm for a laser versus about 1
ppm for an ink jet printer.
Something else to think about is the cost of consumables over the
life of the printer. A 3000 page yield toner cartridge is about
$US 75-80 at discount while HP high capacity (~500-1000 page yield)
cartridges are about $US 22 at discount. It could be that over the
life cycle of the printer that consumables for laser printers are
less than ink jet printers. It is getting progressively closer
between the two technologies. Laser printers are usually desinged
for higher duty cycles in pages per month and longer product
replacement cycles.
--
Bill Mayhew NEOUCOM Computer Services Department
Rootstown, OH 44272-9995 USA phone: 216-325-2511
wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (140.220.1.1) 146.580: N8WED
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From: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com (Dave Medin)
Subject: Re: Flyback squeal in video monitors
Reply-To: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville AL
Lines: 41
In article <1993Mar31.204036.4359@ssc.com>, markz@ssc.com (Mark Zenier) writes:
|> Zack Lau (zlau@arrl.org) wrote:
|> : In sci.electronics, xhan@uceng.uc.edu (Xiaoping Han) writes:
|> : >In article <1993Mar24.163510.158@hubcap.clemson.edu> michaet@hubcap.clemson.edu (Michael D. Townsend) writes:
|> : >>brendan@macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au (Brendan Jones) writes:
|> : >>
|> : >>My mom's 25" Magnavox does this as well. I put chewing gum all around
|> : >>the horizontal sync transformer so it wouldn't resonate the board as
|> : >>much. Don't flame, it worked. I realize that there is a more suitable
|> : >>substance available for this purpose, but I don't remember what and
|> : >>where it is.
|> :
|> : >Adhesive silicon, from hardware store.
|> :
|> : If it smells like vinegar, it may damage metal surfaces by
|> : promoting corrosion.
|>
|> Anybody tried Superglue (cyanoacrylate ?). This should sneak
|> into the cracks better, and is stiffer than silicone.
I've found this works pretty well on noisy laminated power
transformer cores and windings (the 60Hz kind). Likewise, if
anybody has tried this on a flyback I'd like to hear about it.
I would suspect it would not be as effective as it was on power
transformers as the material wouldn't damp as well--something
I suspect would be critical at the frequencies involved (in other
words, you want absorption rather than prevention which would be
real difficult at 15 KHz).
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SSD--Networking (205) 837-1174 (h)
Intergraph Corp.
M/S GD3004 Internet: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com
Huntsville, AL 35894 UUCP: ...uunet!ingr!b30!catbyte!dtmedin
******* Everywhere You Look (at least around my office) *******
* The opinions expressed here are mine (or those of my machine)
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From: gsmith@lauren.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de (Gene W. Smith)
Subject: Re: Mr. Cramer's 'Evidence'
Organization: IWR, University of Heidelberg, Germany
Lines: 17
In article <philC5HsII.GFt@netcom.com> phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone)
writes:
>Naw, I think you are. While both organizations may, on paper, support the
>abolition of the age of consent, there the resemblance stops.
>One supports the removal of a coercive law, the other a paper facade
>to "legitimize" sexual relations with children.
I get it. One organization wants to abolish age of consent laws,
whereas in contrast the other wants to abolish age of consent laws.
This makes it respectable to belong to one organization, but not the
other.
--
Gene Ward Smith/Brahms Gang/IWR/Ruprecht-Karls University
gsmith@kalliope.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de
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From: yjwu@eng.umd.edu (Yu-Jen Wu)
Subject: What's the difference between ~30-pin and 72-pin SIMMS?
Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park
Lines: 17
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: paxsunc.eng.umd.edu
Hi,
Can anyone tell me the difference between ~30-pin and 72-pin Simms?
I wish to get detailed information about the origin of these two
different types of Simms, preferably a magazine review aricle.
By the way, if there is a FAQ for this group which covers the Simms
information, please also direct me to it.
Any help/information would be very much appreciated.
Sincerely,
Yu-Jen Wu
Dept. of EE, Univ. of Maryland
yjwu@eng.umd.eu
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From: mbh2@engr.engr.uark.edu (M. Barton Hodges)
Subject: Stereoscopic imaging
Summary: Stereoscopic imaging
Keywords: stereoscopic
Nntp-Posting-Host: engr.engr.uark.edu
Organization: University of Arkansas
Lines: 8
I am interested in any information on stereoscopic imaging on a sun
workstation. For the most part, I need to know if there is any hardware
available to interface the system and whether the refresh rates are
sufficient to produce quality image representations. Any information
about the subject would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
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From: elliott@optilink.COM (Paul Elliott)
Subject: Re: A loathesome subject
Summary: Why the "quote marks", Roy?
Organization: DSC/Optilink Access Products
Lines: 33
In article <C4y3DD.L1n@panix.com> roy@panix.com (Roy Radow) writes:
>Anyone with any degree of sensitivity or awareness has to be
>concerned about the horrendous amount of "child abuse" that
>exists in this country. [...]
>
>The critical factor here is whether the sexual activity is "forced" [...]
>
>When a child is "forced" there is often "damage", on the other hand,
>"consensual" relationships are often found to be "positive experiences"
>for all concerned. [...]
>
>Roy Radow roy@panix.com ...rutgers!cmcl2!panix!roy
>North American Man/Boy Love Association -For a packet containing a sample
Why all the quote marks, Roy? I can see that they might be appropriate where
there is a legitimate concern that the words are being distorted by context,
or that they have been appropriated Newspeak-style, but, reading your comments above,
one might be excused if they assumed that you were claiming that "child abuse",
"forced" sexual activity, and "damage" caused by this is non-existant or
greatly overblown.
"Positive experiences", indeed!
-Paul Elliott
(Member in good standing of the Optilink Mafia)
--
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{uunet,pyramid,tekbspa}!optilink!elliott -or- elliott@optilink.com
"I used to think I was indecisive, but now I'm not so sure."
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From: deniz@mandolin.ctr.columbia.edu (Deniz Akkus)
Subject: Re: ARMENIA SAYS IT COULD SHOOT DOWN TURKISH PLANES
Organization: Columbia University Center for Telecommunications Research
X-Posted-From: mandolin.ctr.columbia.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu
Lines: 46
In article <1993Apr20.190606.13801@kpc.com> henrik@quayle.kpc.com writes:
>In article <1993Apr20.173009.10580@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>, deniz@mandolin.ctr.columbia.edu (Deniz Akkus) writes:
>
> Well, this is your opinion !
>
Of course it is!
> Turkish/ Azeris can BARK all they WANT since the ABOVE is UNTRUE. However,
> I am sure YOU GUYS would have NEVER brought up ARMENIA's involvement if
> KARABAKHI-Armenians had had HEAVY losses.
>
And this is your opinion. It is not any more valid due to repeated
capital letters and words such as 'untrue' 'never' etc.
> Read what ? The New York Times , that is publishing anti-armenian
> articles. Nop, I have my resources. Look, everyone knows how aggressive
> Turks/Azeris have been in the past. Armenians ARE NOT gona sit
> around and watch FIRE WORKS by AZERIS taught by TURKS.
So Armenians are justified in aggression since supposedly Turks have
been aggressive in the past? I don't follow your logic.
>DA] I don't wish to get into the Cyprus discussion. Turkey had the right to
>
> Not a chance ! You CAN NOT convince me (based on your REASONS)that
> your GOVERNMENT did the RIGHT thing to invade CYPRUS.
I have said that I don't wish to get into Cyprus discussion and did not
give any reasons for Turkey's involvement. I also am not trying to
convince you of anything, seeing no reason to waste any time....
>DA] Lastly, why is there not a soc.culture.armenia? I vote yes for it.
>DA] After all, it is now free.
>
> Well, I am NOT in the position to agree or disadree with you.
>
>
I am serious. Let's get soc.culture.armenia started and have some peace
of mind?
Deniz Akkus
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From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat)
Subject: Re: Command Loss Timer (Re: Galileo Update - 04/22/93)
Organization: Express Access Online Communications USA
Lines: 20
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net
Keywords: Galileo, JPL
INteresting question about Galileo.
Galileo's HGA is stuck.
The HGA was left closed, because galileo had a venus flyby.
If the HGA were pointed att he sun, near venus, it would
cook the foci elements.
question: WHy couldn't Galileo's course manuevers have been
designed such that the HGA did not ever do a sun point.?
After all, it would normally be aimed at earth anyway?
or would it be that an emergency situation i.e. spacecraft safing
and seek might have caused an HGA sun point?
pat
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From: dp@cec1.wustl.edu (David Prutchi)
Subject: Re: Cicuit Cellar Ink - Extras 4 Trade
Nntp-Posting-Host: cec1
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Lines: 32
In article <babb-190493113153@larc.sdsu.edu> babb@sciences.sdsu.edu (J. Babb) writes:
>Fellow Info-junkies,
> I have an extra CCI #27 (Real Time Programming/Embedded Sensors &
>Storage) and an extra CCI #32 (Voice control of telescope, among other
>articles). No labels. No torn, cut-up, or missing pages.
>
>Would like to trade for CCI # 26, or CCI # 23, or CCI # 19 in same
>condition (Labels OK).
>
>I mail mine you mail yours mutual trust kinda thang OK?
>You don't actually throw them away, do you?
>
>Thanx,
>Jeff Babb
>babb@sciences.sdsu.edu
I have also been trying to complete my collection. I have an extra CCI # 16
(Communications) and a # 12 (Applications in the Arts), both in mint
condition.
I would like to trade for (or buy) the following: # 1, 3, 22, 23, 25, 26, 30,
and 31.
Thanks -David
+------------------------------------------------------------+
| David Prutchi HC1DT |
| Washington University <prutchi@mesun4.wustl.edu> |
| Campus Box 1185 <dp@cec1.wustl.edu> |
| One Brookings Drive |
| St. Louis, MO 63130-4899 |
+------------------------------------------------------------+
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From: drw3l@delmarva.evsc.Virginia.EDU (David Robert Walker)
Subject: Re: Braves Pitching UpdateDIR
Organization: University of Virginia
Lines: 34
In article <8994@blue.cis.pitt.edu> traven@pitt.edu (Neal Traven) writes:
>
>One of the chapters in Palmer and Thorn's 'Hidden Game' is titled
>'Pitching is 44% of Baseball,' implying that fielding is 6%. How do
>they determine that? Beats me -- it's been a long, long time since I
>read it.
This was (my opinion) the stupidest thing in the Hidden Game. The
argument was
1) Defense, or runs allowed, is 50% of the game.
2) Unearned runs amount to 12% of the runs allowed; earned runs, 88%.
3) Since unearned runs are the result of fielding, not pitching, and
earned runs are the product of pitching, not fielding, fielding is 12%
of defense and pitching is 88% of defense.
4) Caombining with #1, pitching is 44% of the game, fielding 6%.
Pete is usually sharper than that. My own feel is that fielding is in
the 25-33% of defense range; call it 30-70 between fielding and
pitching.
>One also has to separate offense into batting and baserunning, with the
>split probably somewhere around 49.5% and 0.5%.
I'd give baserunning a little more credit than that, maybe 45-5, or
even 40-10. Give a team of Roberto Alomar and a team of John Oleruds
identical batting stats (which wouldn't be that unreasonable), and
even if you don't let Roberto steal a single base, they'll score a lot
more than the Oleruds by going first-to-third more often. (No offense,
Gordon).
Clay D.
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From: st1rp@rosie.uh.edu (Schwam, David S.)
Subject: Re: ASTROS FOR REAL?
Organization: University of Houston
Lines: 51
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: rosie.uh.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41
In article <C5Ky58.12KD@austin.ibm.com>, marc@yogi.austin.ibm.com (Marc J. Stephenson) writes...
>In article <1993Apr15.234838.4138@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> z_millerwl@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
>>WHO THINKS THE ASTROS ARE GOING PLACES???
>>THEY'RE CURRENTLY FIRST PLACE.
>>THEY'RE 5-4, 5-1 ON THE ROAD!
>
>I AGREE, LUMBERJACK (except that they're in 2nd)! They ARE going PLACES -
>San Diego, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Cincinnati, Denver, Atlanta, Miami,
>Philadelphia, New York, Montreal, Pittsburgh, Chicago, St. Louis...and
>points in between. :-)
>
>But,
>THEY'RE 0-3 AT HOME!
But,
THEY FACED THE PHILLIES -- A TEAM THAT GOT OFF TO AN 8-1 START.
>
>I'm just not used to an overly enthusiastic Houston fan. I really shouldn't
>discourage it, so HANG IN THERE, LUMBERJACK! (But, get ahold of that shift
>key, will ya?)
>
>ObBase: Apparently the new owner (Drayton McLain (sp?)) doesn't particularly
>like excuses. An item in our paper (the Austin American-Statesman - "If you
>read it here, it was somewhere else first") said that he wouldn't take
>injuries as an excuse for losing because that possibility should have been
>accounted for. Uh, oh. I don't want an owner that'll keep everybody on
>edge - I'd never gotten that feeling about him, but who knows? Does
To be honest, I think the city of Houston loves the new owner. He has
brought baseball back to Houston with key acquisitions -- players that
were from the Houston area and wanted to play for the Astros. I don't
think that too many people are fearful that McLane will meddle in the team
as he has already admitted that he doesn't know a whole lot about baseball.
McLane is a businessman, and doesn't like excuses. He makes a valid point
that injuries shouldn't be an excuse to this club. Look at the depth of the
bench this season.. Canadele can play 7 positions; Bass and James are solid
outfielders and can hit well too; Uribe is nice to have as well.. The
pitching staff has 6 legitimate starters. We're dealing with a young
Houston team, so injuries shouldn't play a big role. The only threat is
the bullpen -- if Jonesy goes out, we may be in trouble but with the
type of starters we have this season, there is less pressure on the pen.
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David S. Schwam
University of Houston
st1rp@jetson.uh.edu
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From: lvc@cbnews.cb.att.com (Larry Cipriani)
Subject: The Dayton Gun "Buy Back" (Re: Boston Gun Buy Back)
Organization: Ideology Busters, Inc.
Lines: 11
According to WNCI 97.9 FM radio this morning, Dayton, Ohio is operating a
gun "buy back". They are giving $50 for every functional gun turned in.
They ran out of money in one day, and are now passing out $50 vouchers of
some sort. They are looking for more funds to keep operating. Another
media-event brought to you by HCI.
Is there something similar pro-gun people can do ? For example, pay $100
to anyone who lawfully protects their life with a firearm ? Sounds a bit
tacky, but hey, whatever works.
--
Larry Cipriani -- l.v.cipriani@att.com
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From: gmc@cthulhu.semi.harris.com
Subject: Re: What is Zero dB????
Nntp-Posting-Host: cthulhu.mlb.semi.harris.com
Organization: Analog
Lines: 57
In article <1993Apr6.132429.16154@bnr.ca>
moffatt@bnr.ca (John Thomson) writes:
>Joseph Chiu (josephc@cco.caltech.edu) wrote:
>
>: Thus, a deciBell (deci-, l., tenth of + Bell) is a fractional part of the
>: original Bell. For example, SouthWestern Bell is a deciBell.
>
>Out of what hat did you pull this one? dB is a ratio not an RBOC!
>
>: And the measure of current, Amp, is actually named after both the AMP company
>: and the Amphenol company. Both companies revolutionized electronics by
>: simulatenously realizing that the performance of connectors and sockets
>: were affected by the amount of current running through the wires.
>
>Sorry. The unit for current is the AMPERE which is the name of a french-man
>named AMPERE who studied electrical current. The term AMP is just an abbreviation
>of it. The company AMP came after the AMPERE unit was already in use.
>
>: The Ohmite company was the first to characterize resistances by numbers,
>: thus our use of the Ohms...
>
>I don't know about this one, but it doesn't sound right.
>
>:
>: Alexander Graham Bell, actually, is where Bell came from...
>Well you got one thing right!
>:
Actually, I think J. Chiu knows the score and is just being
silly. However, "decibel" is in fact 1/10th of a bel. He is
right on that one, but I don't know if it was accidental or not.
Strictly defined, a bel is the ratio of the log of two power levels,
and a decibel is 1/10th of a bel so you have 10X decibels for every bel,
hence bel=log(P2/P1) and decibel=10Xlog(P2/P1).
The bel, ohm, volt, farad, ampere, watt, hertz, henry, etc. are
all named for pioneers in the field. It's a traditional and fine
way to honor researchers who discover new knowledge in a new field.
Hertz was one of the most important of the early electronics explorers,
but had been left out in having a term or unit named after him
until recently, (1960's, prior to that what is now a hertz was a cps.)
All the other units were defined many decades earlier.
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From: jburnside@ll.mit.edu (jamie w burnside)
Subject: Re: GOT MY BIKE! (was Wanted: Advice on CB900C Purchase)
Keywords: CB900C, purchase, advice
Reply-To: jburnside@ll.mit.edu (jamie w burnside)
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Lines: 29
--
In article <1993Apr16.005131.29830@ncsu.edu>, jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu
(JACK ROGERS WATERS) writes:
|>>
|>>>Being a reletively new reader, I am quite impressed with all the usefull
|>>>info available on this newsgroup. I would ask how to get my own DoD number,
|>>>but I'll probably be too busy riding ;-).
|>>
|>> Does this count?
|>
|>Yes. He thought about it.
|>>
|>>$ cat dod.faq | mailx -s "HAHAHHA" jburnside@ll.mit.edu (waiting to press
|>> return...)
Hey, c'mon guys (and gals), I chose my words very carefully and even
tried to get my FAQ's straight. Don't holler BOHICA at me!
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| | | / \ |
| | | / Jamie W. Burnside \ 1980 CB900 Custom |
| | (o)(o) ( jburnside@ll.mit.edu ) 1985 KDX200 (SOLD!) |
| C _) / \_____________________/ 1978 CB400 (for sale) |
| | ,___| / |
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From: mlin@pdx222.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Ming T. Lin)
Subject: WORD = BYTE ??
Reply-To: mlin@ichips.intel.com
Organization: Workgroup Computing Division, PDX, Intel
Lines: 15
I just moved from Borland C++ 3.0 to Visual C++ today. When I tried
to compile my C++ program, it complained a function prototype problem.
It turned out that the typedef WORD in MS C++ is a BYTE, not unsigned int.
Could anyone shine some light on this subject ? Why a WORD is a BYTE ?
-Ming T. Lin
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mlin@ichips.intel.com
(503) 696-4806
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From: ron@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ron Miller)
Subject: Re: Waco, they did it. ( MASADA )
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Lines: 8
Re: Flaming wreckage
I wrote my congressmen strongly worded letters demanding they dissolve the
BATF.
Perhaps anger and grief can help spur a letter writing campaign?
Ron Miller
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Subject: roman 03/14
From: pwiseman@salmon.usd.edu (Cliff)
Reply-To: pwiseman@salmon.usd.edu (Cliff)
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of South Dakota
Keywords: bmp, wallpaper
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From: strait@cheetah.csl.uiuc.edu (Jeffrey C. Strait)
Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!!
Organization: The University of Illinois
Lines: 25
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: cheetah.csl.uiuc.edu
In article <C5sv88.HJy@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine) writes:
> >> >napalm, then let the wood stove inside ignite it.
> >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >> As someone else has pointed out, why would the stove be in use on a warm day
> >> in Texas.
> >
> >Do YOU eat all your food cold?
>
> Ever hear of electric ovens or microwaves? Very popular.
> Electric stoves outside metro-areas especially.
>
Microwaves don't work very well with no electricity Mr Engineer.
> --
> <><><><><><><><><><> Personal opinions? Why, <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
> <> BRENT IRVINE <> yes. What did you think <> irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu <>
> <><><><><><><><><><> they were?....... <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
--
| Jeff Strait | strait@uicsl.csl.uiuc.edu |
| University of Illinois | PHONE: (217) 333-6444 |
| "If you ladies leave this island, if you survive basic recruit |
| training, you will be a weapon, a minister of death praying for war" |
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From: welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty)
Subject: rec.autos: the Rec.Autos Archive Server
Keywords: Monthly Posting
Reply-To: welty@balltown.cma.com
Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies
Lines: 10
Archive-name: rec-autos/part3
The Automotive Articles Archive Server:
the automotive archive server is in the process of being rehosted,
and is presently not available.
--
richard welty 518-393-7228 welty@cabot.balltown.cma.com
``Nothing good has ever been reported about the full rotation of
a race car about either its pitch or roll axis'' -- Carroll Smith
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From: rgs@megatek.com (Rusty Sanders)
Subject: Re: X-server multi screen
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Lines: 61
From article <1993Apr17.010256.14372@eafs000.ca.boeing.com>, by ten0772@eafs000.ca.boeing.com (Timothy E. Neto):
> rainer@sun3.eeam.elin.co.at (Rainer Hochreiter) writes:
>>
>>I've seen a lot of different terms, which seem to mean the same thing.
>>Who can give an exact definition what these terms mean:
>>
>> -) multi-screen
>> -) multi-headed
>> -) multi-display
>> -) X-Server zaphod mode
>>
>>Is there a limit how many screens/displays a single server can handle
>>(in an articel a read something about an upper limit of 12) ?
>>
>>How is the capability called, if I want to move the cursor from one
>>screen/display to another.
>
> As to how many clients may be display on a server, I believe the limit
> would be how much memory is available to your server or allocated by the
> server.
>
This all sounds suspiciously like my company might have something to
do with this.
Background first: Megatek has a series of framebuffers designed as
X accelerators. For the most part these are designed for Sun SBUS
and Sun (and other vendor's) VME systems.
That said, Megatek products support multi-screen and/or multi-display
on a sigle workstation. Most of our cards have a keyboard/mouse port
which can be used to provide additional displays. For example, say
you hade a Sparcstation with an Sbus expansion chassis. You could
put in six frambuffers, allowing a total of six screens in the system.
You could then attach from 1 to 6 keyboard/mice, allowing you to
mix and match any combination of screens and displays. You could
have 1 6-screen display, 3 2-screen displays, 6 1-screen displays,
or 1 2-screen display and 1 4-screen display. Basically any
combination.
Because of this, we at Megatek try to be very careful about the use
of the words multi-screen and multi-display. They are quite different
in meaning, and (at least in X) have exact definitions.
The reason I ramble like this is the mention of an upper limit if 12
screens in a display. As it so happens, there's a define in the server
that determines the most screens supported (server/include/misc.h,
MAXSCREENS). As released my MIT, this is 3. As released by Megatek,
this is 12.
As such, the most screens supported by a single Megatek display (i.e.
X server) is 12. If someone construed this to be a limitation of X
I'm sorry, but clearly (as pointed out so well by Mr. Neto) this is
not the case.
We just did it here because nobody has ever asked us for more. Of
course, I could say "Buy all you want, we'll support more."
--
----
Rusty Sanders, Megatek Corp. --> rgs@megatek.com or...
...ucsd! ...hplabs!hp-sdd! ...ames!scubed! ...uunet!
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From: shz@mare.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude)
Subject: Re: Riceburner Respect
Organization: Office of 'Tude Licensing
Nntp-Posting-Host: binky
Lines: 11
In article <oXZ12B1w164w@cellar.org>, craig@cellar.org (Saint Craig) writes:
> No anyone who is a "true" rider with the real riding attitude will offer a
> wave, weather they are on a Harley or on a Honda or some other bike, inless
> they have a serious case of my bike is better than your and you're too low
> to be acknowleged. This you'll find is the case with most of the harley
> riders out here where I am, however I still give them a wave, and ride
> secure in the knowlege that I'm a better persob than they are.
Huh?
- Roid
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From: eachus@spectre.mitre.org (Robert I. Eachus)
Subject: Re: Would "clipper" make a good cover for other encryption method?
In-Reply-To: kadie@eff.org's message of Tue, 20 Apr 1993 03:26:23 GMT
Nntp-Posting-Host: spectre.mitre.org
Organization: The Mitre Corp., Bedford, MA.
Lines: 52
In article <1993Apr20.032623.3046@eff.org> kadie@eff.org (Carl M. Kadie) writes:
> Clipper might be a good way to cover the use of another layer of
> encryption.
But, if you are making custom equipment in any case, why not just
roll your own Clipper implementation and report the wrong keys to the
Escrow agency? (Tells us who is going to be in the chip business if
this thing goes through--NSA, and those with something to hide from
NSA.)
If anyone can verify that your phone is not using the key registered
to that serial number, either:
1) They have a court ordered wiretap. But what are they going to
do? Tell the judge that this individual really does have privacy?
All they know is that the keys are not enough, but not why.
2) They have a court ordered wiretap on a phone in this series.
(This part is really scary. Since the "expectation" is that all
chips in a particular batch will uses seeds based on the same S1 and
S2 and the serial number, getting the keys for one of a batch may give
access to all.)
3) There is a backdoor which allows all messages to be deciphered
without the keys. I find this one especially threatening since the
scheme seems very open to known plaintext attacks. (What I need to
decipher is the data in the header. If I talk to someone who has one
of these phones, presumably there will be an automatically negotiated
key generated. I'm not trying to decipher the record of the
conversation to know what was said, I use it as a known plaintext to
recover the backdoor represented by the header, but I know what the
header says for conversations I participate in. Even worse, if the
phones in a series have related keys, I can buy a phone/chip from the
same production lot. Then I can recover its keys, either elegantly by
talking to myself, or by brute force analysis of the actual chip, then
apply the key generation process with those seeds to find the target
keys.)
Hmmm! I don't think I want to ever come close to these phones.
Even DES is starting to look good. Two cans and a string will provide
much better security.
--
Robert I. Eachus
with Standard_Disclaimer;
use Standard_Disclaimer;
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From: klee@synoptics.com (Ken Lee)
Subject: Re: Property problems
Reply-To: klee@synoptics.com
Organization: SynOptics Communications, Santa Clara CA
Lines: 19
Nntp-Posting-Host: bugsbunny.synoptics.com
In article ( ), wsmart@tay.mcs.dundee.ac.uk (Bill Smart) writes:
> To get the number back, the other client does:
>
> AppAtom = XInternAtom(display,"ApplicationWindow",True);
> XGetWindowProperty(display,DefaultRootWindow(display),AppAtom,0,8192,
> False,XA_WINDOW,&return_type,&return_format,
> &nitems_return,&bar,&return_place);
>
> and appears to get back something valid (just not the right number).
> It always seems to return the same number, regardless of the window
> number stored in the property.
"return_place" is probably incorrect. It should be a pointer, not an
integer. XGetWindowProperty() allocates memory, copies the data there,
and returns a pointer to the memory. You should free the memory when
you're done.
---
Ken Lee, klee@synoptics.com
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From: mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca (Malcolm Lee)
Subject: Re: A KIND and LOVING God!!
Organization: Royal Roads Military College, Victoria, B.C.
Lines: 32
In article <1r0ejoINNjfj@owl.csrv.uidaho.edu>, lanph872@crow.csrv.uidaho.edu (Rob Lanphier) writes:
|> Malcolm Lee (mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca) wrote:
|> : What bothers me most is why people who have no religious affiliation
|> : continue to persecute Jews? Why this hatred of Jews? The majority of
|> : people who persecute Jews are NOT Christians (I can't speak for all
|> : Christians and there are bound to be a few who are on the anti-Semitism
|> : bandwagon.)
|>
|> Do you even have anecdotal evidence to back this up? The most blatent
|> persecution of the Jews in history was of course done by the Nazis before
|> and during World War II, a predominately Lutheran crowd. Sure, many
|> Muslims in the Middle East consider the Israelites to be a thorn in their
|> side, but the most of the modern persecution of Jews has been at the hands
|> of Christians (at least as far as I'm aware).
|>
|> Rob Lanphier
|> lanph872@uidaho.edu
Do you consider Neo-Nazis and white supremists to be Christian? I'd hardly
classify them as Christian. Do they follow the teachings of Christ? Love
one another. Love your neighbour as yourself. Love your enemies. Is Jesus
Christ their Lord and Saviour? By the persecution of Jews, they are violating
all the precepts of what Christ died for. They are in direct violation of
the teachings of Christ. Even Jesus who was crucified by the Jewish leaders
of that time, loved His enemies by asking the Father for forgiveness of their
sins. I am a Christian and I bear no animosity towards Jews or any one else.
The enemy is Satan, not our fellow man.
God be with you,
Malcolm Lee :)
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