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From: roos@Operoni.Helsinki.FI (Christophe Roos)
Subject: Wanted: Rat cell line (adrenal gland/cortical c.)
Summary: Where can I find a rat cell line
Keywords: adrenal_gland cortical_cell cell_line rat
Organization: Institute of Biotechnology (Univ. Helsinki)
Lines: 14
I am looking for a rat cell line of adrenal gland / cortical cell -type. I
have been looking at ATCC without success and would very much appreciate any
help.
Thank you for reading this.
Christophe Roos
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Institute of Biotechnology Fax: +358 0 4346028
POBox 45, Valimotie 7 E-mail: Christophe.Roos@Helsinki.Fi
University of Helsinki X-400: /G=Christophe/S=Roos
SF-00014 Finland /O=Helsinki/A=fumail/C=Fi
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Organization: University of Central Florida - Computer Services
From: Mark Woodruff <CDA90038@UCF1VM.BITNET>
Subject: Why I'm not using Dos 6 anymore
Lines: 18
I've been running Dos 6 for about a month. I was generally impressed with
the improvements: the multiple boot configurations were great, the
new commands were nice, and DoubleSpace worked fine (twice as slow for
large data transfers, twice as fast for small with SmartDrv).
Until now.
This morning at 4 am while I was working on my research paper, I had to
reboot a hung Dos program (that did no disk i/o) from within Windows 3.1.
When my machine finished rebooting, I found my windows directory and about two
thirds of my other directories were irreversibly corrupted.
I cannot afford problems like this. I'm returning to Dos 5.
mark
P.S. I've also noticed bad sector errors from DoubleSpace where none should
exist.
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From: bgendler@opus.starlab.CSc.COM (Bruce Gendler)
Subject: X/GL widget translation problem
Article-I.D.: opus.9304221524.AA05029
Organization: The Internet
Lines: 14
To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu
I am writing a custom widget to support the display of graphics
and imagery. The user of the widget will be able to specify,
when creating it, whether it is to operate in X or GL mode.
I have set up translations and actions to handle mouse button
presses. They work fine when the widget is in X mode. In GL
mode they only work when the widget (my GL/X widget) is a child
of a manager. Put another way, the translations do not work
when the widget is configured in GL mode and is a child of a
shell. Does anyone know why this is happening?
Thanks in advance.
Bruce Gendler
bgendler@csc.com
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From: dickeney@access.digex.com (Dick Eney)
Subject: Re: Swastika (was: Hitler - pagan or Christian?)
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Lines: 6
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net
RE: Red, wwhite, and black, the colors of the Imperial German war-flag --
Go further back still. There are +XVIII Prussian drinking songs
celebrating the red, the white and the black -- the colors, as Fletcher
Pratt points out, of blood and iron.
-- Diccon Frankborn
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From: chongo@toad.com (Landon C. Noll)
Subject: Reposting: 10th International Obfuscated C Code Contest rules (2 of 2)
Expires: 8 May 93 00:00:00 GMT
Reply-To: chongo@toad.com (Landon C. Noll)
Distribution: world
Organization: Nebula Consultants in San Francisco
Lines: 1409
Keywords: ioccc
We have received a number of requests for a reposting of the
International Obfuscated C Code Contest rules and guidelines. Also
some people requested that these rules be posted to a wider set of
groups. Sorry for the cross posting.
Some technical clarifications were made to the rules and guidelines.
(See the diff marks at the right hand edge) The rules and guidelines
for this year remain the same, so people who have already or are
in the process of submitting entries for the 1993 IOCCC need not worry
about these changes.
chongo <Landon Curt Noll> /\cc/\ chongo@toad.com
Larry Bassel lab@sun.com
=-=
#!/bin/sh
# This is part 02 of a multipart archive
# ============= mkentry.c ==============
echo "x - extracting mkentry.c (Text)"
sed 's/^X//' << 'SHAR_EOF' > mkentry.c &&
X/* @(#)mkentry.c 1.25 4/5/93 15:58:08 */
X/*
X * Copyright (c) Landon Curt Noll & Larry Bassel, 1993.
X * All Rights Reserved. Permission for personal, education or non-profit use
X * is granted provided this this copyright and notice are included in its
X * entirety and remains unaltered. All other uses must receive prior
X * permission in writing from both Landon Curt Noll and Larry Bassel.
X */
X/*
X * mkentry - make an International Obfuscated C Code Contest entry
X *
X * usage:
X * mkentry -r remarks -b build -p prog.c -o ioccc.entry
X *
X * -r remarks file with remarks about the entry
X * -b build file containing how prog.c should be built
X * -p prog.c the obfuscated program source file
X * -o ioccc.entry ioccc entry output file
X *
X * compile by:
X * cc mkentry.c -o mkentry
X */
X/*
X * Placed in the public domain by Landon Curt Noll, 1992.
X *
X * THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED ``AS IS'' AND WITHOUT ANY EXPRESS OR IMPLIED
X * WARRANTIES, INCLUDING, WITHOUT LIMITATION, THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF
X * MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
X */
X/*
X * WARNING:
X *
X * This program attempts to implement the IOCCC rules. Every attempt
X * has been made to make sure that this program produces an entry that
X * conforms to the contest rules. In all cases, where this program
X * differs from the contest rules, the contest rules will be used. Be
X * sure to check with the contest rules before submitting an entry.
X *
X * FOR MORE INFORMATION:
X *
X * You may contact the judges by sending Email to the following address:
X *
X * ...!{apple,pyramid,sun,uunet}!hoptoad!judges (not the address for
X * judges@toad.com submitting entries)
X *
X * Questions and comments about the contest are welcome.
X *
X * The rules and the guidelines may (and often do) change from year to
X * year. You should be sure you have the current rules and guidelines
X * prior to submitting entries. To obtain them, send Email to the address
X * above and use the subject 'send rules'.
X *
X * One may obtain winners of previous contests (1984 to date), via ftp from:
X *
X * host: ftp.uu.net (192.48.96.9)
X * user: anonymous
X * pass: yourname@yourhost
X * dir: ~/pub/ioccc
X *
X * As a last resort, previous winners may be obtained by sending Email
X * to the above address. Please use the subject 'send YEAR winners',
X * where YEAR is a single 4 digit year, a year range, or 'all'.
X *
X * Because contest rules change from year to year, one should only use this
X * program for the year that it was intended. Be sure that the RULE_YEAR
X * define below matches this current year.
X */
X
X#include <stdio.h>
X#include <ctype.h>
X#include <time.h>
X#include <sys/types.h>
X#include <sys/stat.h>
X
X/* logic */
X#ifndef TRUE
X# define TRUE 1
X#endif /* TRUE */
X#ifndef FALSE
X# define FALSE 0
X#endif /* FALSE */
X#define EOF_OK TRUE
X#define EOF_NOT_OK FALSE
X
X/* global limits */
X#define RULE_YEAR 1993 /* NOTE: should match the current year */
X#define START_DATE "1Mar92 0:00 UTC" /* first confirmation received */
X#define MAX_COL 79 /* max column a line should hit */
X#define MAX_BUILD_SIZE 256 /* max how to build size */
X#define MAX_PROGRAM_SIZE 3217 /* max program source size */
X#define MAX_PROGRAM_SIZE2 1536 /* max program source size not counting
X whitespace and {}; not followed by
X whitespace or EOF */
X#define MAX_TITLE_LEN 12 /* max chars in the title */
X#define MAX_ENTRY_LEN 1 /* max length in the entry input line */
X#define MAX_ENTRY 8 /* max number of entries per person per year */
X#define MAX_FILE_LEN 1024 /* max filename length for a info file */
X
X/* where to send entries */
X#define ENTRY_ADDR1 "...!{apple,pyramid,sun,uunet}!hoptoad!obfuscate"
X#define ENTRY_ADDR2 "obfuscate@toad.com"
X
X/* uuencode process - assumes ASCII */
X#define UUENCODE(c) (encode_str[(int)(c)&0xff])
X#define UUENCODE_LEN 45 /* max uuencode chunk size */
X#define UUINFO_MODE 0444 /* mode of an info file's uuencode file */
X#define UUBUILD_MODE 0444 /* mode of the build file's uuencode file */
X#define UUBUILD_NAME "build" /* name for the build file's uuencode file */
X#define UUPROG_MODE 0444 /* mode of the program's uuencode file */
X#define UUPROG_NAME "prog.c" /* name for the program's uuencode file */
X
X/* encode_str[(char)val] is the uuencoded character of val */
Xchar encode_str[256+1] = "`!\"#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\\]^_ !\"#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\\]^_ !\"#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\\]^_ !\"#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\\]^_";
X
X/* global declarations */
Xchar *program; /* our name */
Xlong start_time; /* the startup time */
X
X/* forward declarations */
Xvoid parse_args();
Xvoid usage();
XFILE *open_remark();
XFILE *open_build();
XFILE *open_program();
XFILE *open_output();
Xvoid output_entry();
Xvoid output_remark();
Xvoid output_author();
Xvoid output_info();
Xvoid output_build();
Xvoid output_program();
Xvoid output_end();
Xint get_line();
Xvoid output_till_dot();
Xint col_len();
Xvoid check_io();
Xvoid uuencode();
X
Xmain(argc, argv)
X int argc; /* arg count */
X char **argv; /* the args */
X{
X FILE *remark=NULL; /* open remarks stream */
X FILE *build=NULL; /* open build file stream */
X FILE *prog=NULL; /* open program stream */
X FILE *output=NULL; /* open output stream */
X char *rname=NULL; /* file with remarks about the entry */
X char *bname=NULL; /* file containing how prog.c should be built */
X char *pname=NULL; /* the obfuscated program source file */
X char *oname=NULL; /* ioccc entry output file */
X struct tm *tm; /* startup time structure */
X
X /*
X * check on the year
X */
X start_time = time((long *)0);
X tm = gmtime(&start_time);
X if (tm->tm_year != RULE_YEAR-1900) {
X fprintf(stderr,
X "%s: WARNING: this program applies to %d, which may differ from %d\n\n",
X argv[0], RULE_YEAR, 1900+tm->tm_year);
X }
X
X /*
X * parse the command line args
X */
X parse_args(argc, argv, &rname, &bname, &pname, &oname);
X
X /*
X * open/check the input and output files
X *
X * We open and truncate the output file first, in case it is the same
X * as one of the input files.
X */
X output = open_output(oname);
X remark = open_remark(rname);
X build = open_build(bname);
X prog = open_program(pname);
X if (output==NULL || remark==NULL || build==NULL || prog==NULL) {
X exit(1);
X }
X
X /*
X * output each section
X */
X output_entry(output, oname);
X output_remark(output, oname, remark, rname);
X output_author(output, oname);
X output_info(output, oname);
X output_build(output, oname, build, bname);
X output_program(output, oname, prog, pname);
X output_end(output, oname);
X
X /*
X * flush the output
X */
X if (fflush(output) == EOF) {
X fprintf(stderr, "%s: flush error in %s: ", program, oname);
X perror("");
X exit(2);
X }
X
X /*
X * final words
X */
X printf("\nYour entry can be found in %s. You should check this file\n",
X oname);
X printf("correct any problems and verify that the uudecode utility will\n");
X printf("correctly decode your build file and program.\n\n");
X printf("This program has been provided as a guide for submitters. In\n");
X printf("cases where it conflicts with the rules, the rules shall apply.\n");
X printf("It is your responsibility to ensure that your entry conforms to\n");
X printf("the current rules.\n\n");
X printf("Email your entries to:\n");
X printf("\t%s\n", ENTRY_ADDR1);
X printf("\t%s\n\n", ENTRY_ADDR2);
X printf("Please use the following subject when you Email your entry:\n");
X printf("\tioccc entry\n\n");
X /* all done */
X exit(0);
X}
X
X/*
X * parse_args - parse the command line args
X *
X * Given the command line args, this function parses them and sets the
X * required name flags. This function will return only if the command
X * line syntax is correct.
X */
Xvoid
Xparse_args(argc, argv, rname, bname, pname, oname)
X int argc; /* arg count */
X char **argv; /* the args */
X char **rname; /* file with remarks about the entry */
X char **bname; /* file containing how prog.c should be built */
X char **pname; /* the obfuscated program source file */
X char **oname; /* ioccc entry output file */
X{
X char *optarg; /* -flag option operand */
X int flagname; /* the name of the -flag */
X int i;
X
X /*
X * Not everyone has getopt, so we must parse args by hand.
X */
X program = argv[0];
X for (i=1; i < argc; ++i) {
X
X /* determine the flagname */
X if (argv[i][0] != '-') {
X usage(1);
X /*NOTREACHED*/
X }
X flagname = (int)argv[i][1];
X
X /* determine the flag's operand */
X if (flagname != '\0' && argv[i][2] != '\0') {
X optarg = &argv[i][2];
X } else {
X if (i+1 >= argc) {
X usage(2);
X /*NOTREACHED*/
X } else {
X optarg = argv[++i];
X }
X }
X
X /* save the flag's operand in the correct global variable */
X switch (flagname) {
X case 'r':
X *rname = optarg;
X break;
X case 'b':
X *bname = optarg;
X break;
X case 'p':
X *pname = optarg;
X break;
X case 'o':
X *oname = optarg;
X break;
X default:
X usage(3);
X /*NOTREACHED*/
X }
X }
X
X /*
X * verify that we have all of the required flags
X */
X if (*rname == NULL || *bname == NULL || *pname == NULL || *oname == NULL) {
X usage(4);
X /*NOTREACHED*/
X }
X return;
X}
X
X/*
X * usage - print a usage message and exit
X *
X * This function does not return.
X */
Xvoid
Xusage(exitval)
X int exitval; /* exit with this value */
X{
X fprintf(stderr,
X "usage: %s -r remarks -b build -p prog.c -o ioccc.entry\n\n", program);
X fprintf(stderr, "\t-r remarks\tfile with remarks about the entry\n");
X fprintf(stderr, "\t-b build\tfile containing how prog.c should be built\n");
X fprintf(stderr, "\t-p prog.c\tthe obfuscated program source file\n");
X fprintf(stderr, "\t-o ioccc.entry\tioccc entry output file\n");
X exit(exitval);
X}
X
X/*
X * open_remark - open/check the remark file
X *
X * The remark file should be indented by 4 spaces, and should not extend
X * beyond column MAX_COL. These are not requirements, so we only warn.
X *
X * This function returns NULL on I/O or format error.
X */
XFILE *
Xopen_remark(filename)
X char *filename;
X{
X FILE *stream; /* the opened file stream */
X char buf[BUFSIZ+1]; /* input buffer */
X int toolong=0; /* number of lines that are too long */
X int non_indent=0; /* number of lines not indented by 4 spaces */
X
X /*
X * open the remark input file
X */
X stream = fopen(filename, "r");
X if (stream == NULL) {
X fprintf(stderr, "%s: cannot open remark file: %s: ",
X program, filename);
X perror("");
X return(NULL);
X }
X
X /*
X * look at each line
X */
X while (fgets(buf, BUFSIZ, stream) != NULL) {
X
X /* count lines that do not start with 4 spaces */
X if (buf[0] != '\n' && strncmp(buf, " ", 4) != 0) {
X ++non_indent;
X }
X
X /* count long lines */
X if (col_len(buf) > MAX_COL) {
X /* found a line that is too long */
X ++toolong;
X }
X }
X
X /* watch for I/O errors */
X check_io(stream, filename, EOF_OK);
X
X /* note long lines if needed */
X if (toolong > 0) {
X fprintf(stderr,
X "%s: WARNING: %d line(s) from %s extend beyond the 80th column\n",
X program, toolong, filename);
X fprintf(stderr,
X "%s: This is ok, but it would be nice to avoid\n\n",
X program);
X }
X
X /* note non-indented lines, if needed */
X if (non_indent > 0) {
X fprintf(stderr,
X "%s: WARNING: %d line(s) from %s are not indented by 4 spaces\n",
X program, non_indent, filename);
X fprintf(stderr,
X "%s: This is ok, but it would be nice to avoid\n\n",
X program);
X }
X
X /* return the open file */
X rewind(stream);
X return(stream);
X}
X
X/*
X * open_build - open/check the build file
X *
X * The how to build file must not be longer than MAX_BUILD_SIZE bytes.
X *
X * This function returns NULL on I/O or size error.
X */
XFILE *
Xopen_build(filename)
X char *filename;
X{
X FILE *stream; /* the opened file stream */
X struct stat statbuf; /* the status of the open file */
X
X /*
X * open the how to build input file
X */
X stream = fopen(filename, "r");
X if (stream == NULL) {
X fprintf(stderr, "%s: cannot open how to build file: %s: ",
X program, filename);
X perror("");
X return(NULL);
X }
X
X /*
X * determine the size of the file
X */
X if (fstat(fileno(stream), &statbuf) < 0) {
X fprintf(stderr, "%s: cannot stat how to build file: %s: ",
X program, filename);
X perror("");
X return(NULL);
X }
X if (statbuf.st_size > MAX_BUILD_SIZE) {
X fprintf(stderr,
X "%s: FATAL: the how to build file: %s, is %d bytes long\n",
X program, filename, statbuf.st_size);
X fprintf(stderr,
X "%s: it may not be longer than %d bytes\n",
X program, MAX_BUILD_SIZE);
X return(NULL);
X }
X
X /* return the open file */
X return(stream);
X}
X
X/*
X * open_program - open/check the program source file
X *
X * The program source file must be <= 3217 bytes. The number of
X * non-whitespace and }{; chars not followed by whitespace must
X * be <= 1536 bytes.
X *
X * This function returns NULL on I/O or size error.
X */
XFILE *
Xopen_program(filename)
X char *filename;
X{
X FILE *stream; /* the opened file stream */
X struct stat statbuf; /* the status of the open file */
X int count; /* special count size */
X int c; /* the character read */
X
X /*
X * open the program source input file
X */
X stream = fopen(filename, "r");
X if (stream == NULL) {
X fprintf(stderr, "%s: cannot open program source file: %s: ",
X program, filename);
X perror("");
X exit(7);
X }
X
X /*
X * determine the size of the file
X */
X if (fstat(fileno(stream), &statbuf) < 0) {
X fprintf(stderr, "%s: cannot stat program source file: %s: ",
X program, filename);
X perror("");
X return(NULL);
X }
X if (statbuf.st_size > MAX_PROGRAM_SIZE) {
X fprintf(stderr,
X "%s: FATAL: the program source file: %s, is %d bytes long\n",
X program, filename, statbuf.st_size);
X fprintf(stderr,
X "%s: it may not be longer than %d bytes\n",
X program, MAX_PROGRAM_SIZE);
X return(NULL);
X }
X
X /*
X * count the non-whitespace, non {}; followed by whitespace chars
X */
X count = 0;
X c = 0;
X while ((c=fgetc(stream)) != EOF) {
X /* look at non-whitespace */
X if (!isascii(c) || !isspace(c)) {
X switch (c) {
X case '{': /* count if not followed by EOF or whitespace */
X case '}':
X case ';':
X /* peek at next char */
X c = fgetc(stream);
X if (c != EOF && isascii(c) && !isspace(c)) {
X /* not followed by whitespace or EOF, count it */
X ungetc(c, stream);
X ++count;
X }
X break;
X default:
X ++count;
X break;
X }
X }
X }
X
X /* watch for I/O errors */
X check_io(stream, filename, EOF_OK);
X
X /* look at the special size */
X if (count > MAX_PROGRAM_SIZE2) {
X fprintf(stderr,
X "%s: FATAL: the number of bytes that are non-whitespace, and\n",
X program);
X fprintf(stderr,
X "%s: that are not '{', '}', ';' followed by whitespace\n",
X program);
X fprintf(stderr,
X "%s: or EOF must be <= %d bytes\n",
X program, MAX_PROGRAM_SIZE2);
X fprintf(stderr,
X "%s: in %s, %d bytes were found\n",
X program, filename, count);
X return(NULL);
X }
X
X /* return the open file */
X rewind(stream);
X return(stream);
X}
X
X/*
X * open_output - open/check the entry output file
X *
X * This function returns NULL on open error.
X */
XFILE *
Xopen_output(filename)
X char *filename;
X{
X FILE *stream; /* the opened file stream */
X
X /*
X * open the ioccc entry output file
X */
X stream = fopen(filename, "w");
X if (stream == NULL) {
X fprintf(stderr, "%s: cannot open ioccc entry file for output: %s: ",
X program, filename);
X perror("");
X exit(8);
X }
X
X /* return the open file */
X return(stream);
X}
X
X/*
X * output_entry - output the ---entry--- section
X *
X * Read the needed information form stdin, and write the entry section.
X */
Xvoid
Xoutput_entry(output, oname)
X FILE *output; /* entry's output file stream */
X char *oname; /* name of the output file */
X{
X char title[MAX_TITLE_LEN+1+1]; /* the entry's title */
X char buf[MAX_COL+1+1]; /* I/O buffer */
X int entry=0; /* entry number */
X int ret; /* fields processed by fscanf */
X int ok_line=0; /* 0 => the line is not ok */
X char skip; /* input to skip */
X FILE *date_pipe; /* pipe to a date command */
X time_t epoch_sec; /* seconds since the epoch */
X char *p;
X
X /*
X * write the start of the section
X */
X fprintf(output, "---entry---\n");
X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);
X
X /*
X * write the rule year
X */
X fprintf(output, "rule:\t%d\n", RULE_YEAR);
X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);
X
X /* determine if this is a fix */
X printf("Is this a fix, update or resubmittion to a ");
X printf("previous entry (enter y or n)? ");
X while (get_line(buf, 1+1, 0) <= 0 || !(buf[0]=='y' || buf[0]=='n')) {
X printf("\nplease answer y or n: ");
X }
X if (buf[0] == 'y') {
X fprintf(output, "fix:\ty\n");
X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);
X printf("\nBe sure that the title and entry number that you give\n");
X printf("are the same of as the entry you are replacing\n");
X } else {
X fprintf(output, "fix:\tn\n");
X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);
X }
X
X /*
X * write the title
X */
X printf("\nYour title must match expression be a [a-zA-Z0-9_=] character\n");
X printf("followed by 0 to %d more [a-zA-Z0-9_=+-] characters.\n\n",
X MAX_TITLE_LEN-1);
X printf("It is suggested, but not required, that the title should\n");
X printf("incorporate your username; in the\n");
X printf("case of multiple authors, consider using parts of the usernames\n");
X printf("of the authors.\n\n");
X printf("enter your title: ");
X do {
X /* prompt and read a line */
X if ((ok_line = get_line(title, MAX_TITLE_LEN+1, MAX_COL-9)) <= 0) {
X printf("\ntitle is too long, please re-enter: ");
X continue;
X }
X
X /* verify the pattern, not everyone has regexp, so do it by hand */
X if (!isascii((int)title[0]) ||
X !(isalnum((int)title[0]) || title[0] == '_' || title[0] == '=')) {
X printf("\ninvalid first character in the title\n\n");
X printf("enter your title: ");
X ok_line = 0;
X } else {
X for (p=(&title[1]); *p != '\0' && *p != '\n'; ++p) {
X if (!isascii((int)*p) ||
X !(isalnum((int)*p) ||
X *p == '_' || *p == '=' || *p == '+' || *p == '-')) {
X printf("\ninvalid character in the title\n\n");
X printf("enter your title: ");
X ok_line = 0;
X }
X }
X }
X } while (ok_line <= 0);
X fprintf(output, "title:\t%s", title);
X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);
X
X /*
X * write the entry number
X */
X printf("\nEach person may submit up to %d entries per year.\n\n",
X MAX_ENTRY);
X printf("enter an entry number from 0 to %d inclusive: ", MAX_ENTRY-1);
X do {
X /* get a valid input line */
X fflush(stdout);
X ret = fscanf(stdin, "%d[\n]", &entry);
X check_io(stdin, "stdin", EOF_NOT_OK);
X /* skip over input until newline is found */
X do {
X skip = fgetc(stdin);
X check_io(stdin, "stdin", EOF_NOT_OK);
X if (skip != '\n') {
X /* bad text in input, invalidate entry number */
X entry = -1;
X }
X } while (skip != '\n');
X
X /* check if we have a number, and if it is in range */
X if (ret != 1 || entry < 0 || entry > MAX_ENTRY-1) {
X printf(
X "\nThe entry number must be between 0 and %d inclusive\n\n",
X MAX_ENTRY-1);
X printf("enter the entry number: ");
X }
X } while (ret != 1 || entry < 0 || entry > MAX_ENTRY-1);
X fprintf(output, "entry:\t%d\n", entry);
X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);
X
X /*
X * write the submission date
X */
X /* returns a newline */
X epoch_sec = time(NULL);
X fprintf(output, "date:\t%s", asctime(gmtime(&epoch_sec)));
X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);
X
X /*
X * write the OS/machine host information
X */
X printf(
X "\nEnter the machine(s) and OS(s) under which your entry was tested.\n");
X output_till_dot(output, oname, "host:");
X}
X
X/*
X * output_remark - output the ---remark--- section
X *
X * Read the needed information form stdin, and write the entry section.
X */
Xvoid
Xoutput_remark(output, oname, remark, rname)
X FILE *output; /* entry's output file stream */
X char *oname; /* name of the output file */
X FILE *remark; /* stream to the file containing remark text */
X char *rname; /* name of the remark file */
X{
X char buf[BUFSIZ+1]; /* input/output buffer */
X
X /*
X * write the start of the section
X */
X fprintf(output, "---remark---\n");
X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);
X
X /*
X * copy the remark file to the section
X */
X while (fgets(buf, BUFSIZ, remark) != NULL) {
X fputs(buf, output);
X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);
X }
X check_io(remark, rname, EOF_OK);
X
X /* be sure that the remark section ends with a newline */
X if (buf[strlen(buf)-1] != '\n') {
X fputc('\n', output);
X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);
X }
X}
X
X/*
X * output_author - output the ---author--- section
X *
X * Read the needed information from stdin, and write the author section.
X * If multiple authors exist, multiple author sections will be written.
X */
Xvoid
Xoutput_author(output, oname)
X FILE *output; /* entry's output file stream */
X char *oname; /* name of the output file */
X{
X char buf[MAX_COL+1+1]; /* I/O buffer */
X int more_auths; /* TRUE => more authors to note */
X int auth_cnt=0; /* number of authors processed */
X
X /*
X * prompt the user for the author section
X */
X printf("\nEnter information about each author. If your entry is after\n");
X printf("%s and before the contest deadline, the judges\n", START_DATE);
X printf("will attempt to Email back a confirmation to the first author\n");
X
X /*
X * place author information for each author in an individual section
X */
X do {
X
X /* write the start of the section */
X fprintf(output, "---author---\n");
X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);
X
X /* write the author */
X printf("\nAuthor #%d name: ", ++auth_cnt);
X while (get_line(buf, MAX_COL+1, MAX_COL-9) <= 0) {
X printf("\nname too long, please re-enter: ");
X }
X fprintf(output, "name:\t%s", buf);
X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);
X
X /* write the organization */
X printf("\nEnter the School/Company/Organization of author #%d\n",
X auth_cnt);
X printf("\nAuthor #%d org: ", auth_cnt);
X while (get_line(buf, MAX_COL+1, MAX_COL-9) <= 0) {
X printf("\nline too long, please re-enter: ");
X }
X fprintf(output, "org:\t%s", buf);
X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);
X
X /* write the address */
X printf(
X "\nEnter the postal address for author #%d. Be sure to include\n",
X auth_cnt);
X printf("your country and do not include your name.\n");
X output_till_dot(output, oname, "addr:");
X
X /* write the Email address */
X printf(
X "\nEnter the Email address for author #%d. Use an address from\n",
X auth_cnt);
X printf(
X "a registered domain or well known site. If you give several\n");
X printf("forms, list them one per line.\n");
X output_till_dot(output, oname, "email:");
X
X /* write the anonymous status */
X printf("\nShould author #%d remain anonymous (enter y or n)? ",
X auth_cnt);
X while (get_line(buf, 1+1, 0) <= 0 || !(buf[0]=='y' || buf[0]=='n')) {
X printf("\nplease answer y or n: ");
X }
X fprintf(output, "anon:\t%s", buf);
X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);
X
X /* determine if there is another author */
X printf("\nIs there another author (enter y or n)? ");
X while (get_line(buf, 1+1, 0) <= 0 || !(buf[0]=='y' || buf[0]=='n')) {
X printf("\nplease answer y or n: ");
X }
X if (buf[0] == 'y') {
X more_auths = TRUE;
X } else {
X more_auths = FALSE;
X }
X } while (more_auths == TRUE);
X return;
X}
X
X/*
X * output_info - output the ---info--- section(s)
X *
X * Read the needed information from stdin, and write the info section.
X * If multiple info files exist, multiple info sections will be written.
X */
Xvoid
Xoutput_info(output, oname)
X FILE *output; /* entry's output file stream */
X char *oname; /* name of the output file */
X{
X char infoname[MAX_FILE_LEN+1]; /* filename buffer */
X char yorn[1+1]; /* y or n answer */
X char *uuname; /* name to uuencode as */
X FILE *infile; /* info file stream */
X
X /*
X * prompt the user for info information
X */
X printf("\nInfo files should be used only to supplement your entry.\n");
X printf("For example, info files may provide sample input or detailed\n");
X printf("information about your entry. Because they are supplemental,\n");
X printf("the entry should not require them to exist.\n\n");
X
X /*
X * while there is another info file to save, uuencode it
X */
X printf("Do you have a info file to include (enter y or n)? ");
X while (get_line(yorn, 1+1, 0) <= 0 || !(yorn[0]=='y' || yorn[0]=='n')) {
X printf("\nplease answer y or n: ");
X }
X while (yorn[0] == 'y') {
X
X /* read the filename */
X printf("\nEnter the info filename: ");
X while (get_line(infoname, MAX_FILE_LEN+1, 0) <= 0) {
X printf("\nInfo filename too long, please re-enter: ");
X }
X
X /* compute the basename of the info filename */
X /* remove the trailing newline */
X uuname = &infoname[strlen(infoname)-1];
X *uuname = '\0';
X /* avoid rindex/shrrchr compat issues, do it by hand */
X for (--uuname; uuname > infoname; --uuname) {
X if (*uuname == '/') {
X ++uuname;
X break;
X }
X }
X
X /* attempt to open the info file */
X infile = fopen(infoname, "r");
X if (infile == NULL) {
X fprintf(stderr, "\n%s: cannot open info file: %s: ",
X program, infoname);
X perror("");
X continue;
X }
X
X /*
X * write the start of the section
X */
X fprintf(output, "---info---\n");
X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);
X
X /* uuencode the info file */
X uuencode(output, oname, infile, infoname, UUINFO_MODE, uuname);
X
X printf("\nDo you have another info file to include (enter y or n)? ");
X while (get_line(yorn, 1+1, 0) <= 0 || !(yorn[0]=='y' || yorn[0]=='n')) {
X printf("\nplease answer y or n: ");
X }
X };
X return;
X}
X
X/*
X * output_build - output the ---build--- section
X *
X * Read the needed information from stdin, and write the build section.
X */
Xvoid
Xoutput_build(output, oname, build, bname)
X FILE *output; /* entry's output file stream */
X char *oname; /* name of the output file */
X FILE *build; /* open build file stream */
X char *bname; /* name of the build file */
X{
X /*
X * write the start of the section
X */
X fprintf(output, "---build---\n");
X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);
X
X /*
X * uuencode the program file
X */
X uuencode(output, oname, build, bname, UUBUILD_MODE, UUBUILD_NAME);
X return;
X}
X
X/*
X * output_program - output the ---program--- section
X *
X * Read the needed information form stdin, and write the program section.
X */
Xvoid
Xoutput_program(output, oname, prog, pname)
X FILE *output; /* entry's output file stream */
X char *oname; /* name of the output file */
X FILE *prog; /* open program stream */
X char *pname; /* name of program file */
X{
X /*
X * write the start of the section
X */
X fprintf(output, "---program---\n");
X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);
X
X /*
X * uuencode the program file
X */
X uuencode(output, oname, prog, pname, UUPROG_MODE, UUPROG_NAME);
X return;
X}
X
X/*
X * output_end - output the ---end--- section
X *
X * Read the needed information form stdin, and write the 'end section'.
X */
Xvoid
Xoutput_end(output, oname)
X FILE *output; /* entry's output file stream */
X char *oname; /* name of the output file */
X{
X /*
X * write the final section terminator
X */
X fprintf(output, "---end---\n");
X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);
X return;
X}
X
X/*
X * get_line - get an answer from stdin
X *
X * This function will flush stdout, in case a prompt is pending, and
X * read in the answer.
X *
X * This function returns 0 if the line is too long, of the length of the
X * line (including the newline) of the line was ok. This function does
X * not return if ERROR or EOF.
X */
Xint
Xget_line(buf, siz, maxcol)
X char *buf; /* input buffer */
X int siz; /* length of input, including the newline */
X int maxcol; /* max col allowed, 0 => disable check */
X{
X int length; /* the length of the input line */
X
X /* flush terminal output */
X fflush(stdout);
X
X /* read the line */
X if (fgets(buf, siz+1, stdin) == NULL) {
X /* report the problem */
X check_io(stdin, "stdin", EOF_NOT_OK);
X }
X
X /* look for the newline */
X length = strlen(buf);
X if (buf[length-1] != '\n') {
X int eatchar; /* the char being eaten */
X
X /* no newline found, line must be too long, eat the rest of the line */
X do {
X eatchar = fgetc(stdin);
X } while (eatchar != EOF && eatchar != '\n');
X check_io(stdin, "stdin", EOF_NOT_OK);
X
X /* report the situation */
X return 0;
X }
X
X /* watch for long lines, if needed */
X if (maxcol > 0 && (length > maxcol || col_len(buf) > maxcol)) {
X /* report the situation */
X return 0;
X }
X
X /* return length */
X return length;
X}
X
X/*
X * output_till_dot - output a set of lines until '.' by itself is read
X *
X * This routine will read a set of lines until (but not including)
X * a single line with '.' is read. The format of the output is:
X *
X * leader:\tfirst line
X * \tnext line
X * \tnext line
X * ...
X *
X * This routine will not return if I/O error or EOF.
X */
Xvoid
Xoutput_till_dot(output, oname, leader)
X FILE *output; /* entry's output file stream */
X char *oname; /* name of the output file */
X char *leader; /* the lead text for the first line */
X{
X char buf[BUFSIZ+1]; /* input buffer */
X int count; /* lines read */
X int done=FALSE; /* TRUE => finished reading input */
X
X /* instruct the user on how to input */
X printf("\nTo end input, enter a line with a single period.\n");
X
X /* read lines until '.' or EOF */
X count = 0;
X while (!done) {
X /* issue the prompt */
X printf("%s\t", (count>0) ? "" : leader);
X fflush(stdout);
X
X /* get the line */
X if (get_line(buf, BUFSIZ, MAX_COL-9) <= 0) {
X printf("\nline too long, please re-enter:\n\t");
X continue;
X }
X
X /* note if '.' was read */
X if (strcmp(buf, ".\n") == 0) {
X done = TRUE;
X }
X
X /* write line if we read something */
X if (!done) {
X fprintf(output, "%s\t%s", (count++>0) ? "" : leader, buf);
X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);
X }
X }
X
X /* if no lines read, at least output something */
X if (count <= 0) {
X fprintf(output, "%s\t.\n", leader);
X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);
X }
X return;
X}
X
X/*
X * col_len - determine the highest that a string would reach
X *
X * Given a string, this routine returns that a string would reach
X * if the string were printed at column 1. Tab stops are assumed
X * to start at 9, 17, 25, 33, ...
X */
Xint
Xcol_len(string)
X char *string; /* the string to examine */
X{
X int col; /* current column */
X char *p; /* current char */
X
X /* scan the string */
X for (col=0, p=string; *p != '\0' && *p != '\n'; ++p) {
X /* note the column shift */
X col = (*p=='\t') ? 1+((col+8)/8*8) : col+1;
X }
X if (*p == '\n') {
X --col;
X }
X
X /* return the highest column */
X return col;
X}
X
X/*
X * check_io - check for EOF or I/O error on a stream
X *
X * Does not return if EOF or I/O error.
X */
Xvoid
Xcheck_io(stream, name, eof_ok)
X FILE *stream; /* the stream to check */
X char *name; /* the name of this stream */
X int eof_ok; /* EOF_OK or EOF_NOT_OK */
X{
X /* test for I/O error */
X if (ferror(stream)) {
X fprintf(stderr, "%s: error on %s: ", program, name);
X perror("");
X exit(1);
X
X /* test for EOF */
X } else if (eof_ok == EOF_NOT_OK && feof(stream)) {
X fprintf(stderr, "%s: EOF on %s\n", program, name);
X exit(1);
X }
X return;
X}
X
X/*
X * uuencode - uuencode a file
X *
X * Perform the uuencoding process identical to the process performed
X * by the uuencode(1) utility.
X *
X * This routine implements the algorithm described in the uuencode(5)
X * 4.3BSD Reno man page.
X */
Xvoid
Xuuencode(output, oname, infile, iname, umode, uname)
X FILE *output; /* output file stream */
X char *oname; /* output filename */
X FILE *infile; /* input file stream */
X char *iname; /* input filename */
X int umode; /* the mode to put on the uuencode file */
X char *uname; /* name to put on the uuencode file */
X{
X char buf[UUENCODE_LEN+1]; /* the uuencode buffer */
X int read_len; /* actual number of chars read */
X int val; /* 6 bit chunk from buf */
X char filler='\0'; /* filler uuencode pad text */
X char *p;
X
X /*
X * output the initial uuencode header
X */
X fprintf(output, "begin %o %s\n", umode, uname);
X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);
X
X /*
X * clear out the input buffer
X */
X for (p=buf; p < &buf[sizeof(buf)/sizeof(buf[0])]; ++p) {
X *p = '\0';
X }
X
X /*
X * We will process UUENCODE_LEN chars at a time, forming
X * a single output line each time.
X */
X while ((read_len=fread(buf,sizeof(buf[0]),UUENCODE_LEN,infile)) > 0) {
X
X /*
X * the first character is the length character
X */
X fputc(UUENCODE(read_len), output);
X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);
X
X /*
X * We will convert 24 bits at a time. Thus we will convert
X * 3 sets of 8 bits into 4 sets of uuencoded 6 bits.
X */
X for (p=buf; read_len>0; read_len-=3, p+=3) {
X
X /* bits 0 to 5 */
X val = (p[0]>>2)&0x3f;
X fputc(UUENCODE(val), output);
X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);
X
X /* bits 6 to 11 */
X val = ((p[0]<<4)&0x30) | ((p[1]>>4)&0x0f);
X fputc(UUENCODE(val), output);
X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);
X
X /* bits 12 to 17 */
X val = ((p[1]<<2)&0x3c) | ((p[2]>>6)&0x03);
X fputc(UUENCODE(val), output);
X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);
X
X /* bits 18 to 23 */
X val = p[2]&0x3f;
X fputc(UUENCODE(val), output);
X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);
X }
X
X /* end of UUENCODE_LEN line */
X fputc('\n', output);
X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);
X
X /*
X * clear out the input buffer (don't depend on bzero() or memset())
X */
X for (p=buf; p < &buf[sizeof(buf)/sizeof(buf[0])]; ++p) {
X *p = '\0';
X }
X }
X
X /* check the last read on the input file */
X check_io(infile, iname, EOF_OK);
X
X /* write end of uuencode file */
X fprintf(output, "%c\nend\n", UUENCODE(filler));
X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);
X}
SHAR_EOF
chmod 0444 mkentry.c ||
echo "restore of mkentry.c failed"
set `wc -c mkentry.c`;Wc_c=$1
if test "$Wc_c" != "34482"; then
echo original size 34482, current size $Wc_c
fi
# ============= obfuscate.info ==============
echo "x - extracting obfuscate.info (Text)"
sed 's/^X//' << 'SHAR_EOF' > obfuscate.info &&
X1993 Obfuscated contest information
X
XCopyright (c) Landon Curt Noll & Larry Bassel, 1993.
XAll Rights Reserved. Permission for personal, education or non-profit use is
Xgranted provided this this copyright and notice are included in its entirety
Xand remains unaltered. All other uses must receive prior permission in writing
Xfrom both Landon Curt Noll and Larry Bassel.
X
XThe International Obfuscated C Code Contest (IOCCC), in the sprit of
Xco-operation, is willing mention other programming contents, as space
Xpermits.
X
XHow to have your contest included in this file:
X
X If you wish the IOCCC judges to include your contest in this file,
X send a request to:
X
X judges@toad.com
X
X We request that contest descriptions be limited to 50 lines and to
X not exceed 2500 bytes. We typically request that your contest
X include a current description of the IOCCC.
X
X In order to be included in this file for given year, we must
X receive a current description no EARLIER than Jan 1 00:00:00 UTC and
X no LATER than Feb 15 00:00:00 UTC. Agreement to publish your
X contest must also be obtained prior to Feb 15. Annual contests
X that fail to submit a new entry will be dropped from this file.
X
XOfficial Disclaimer: (pardon the officialese)
X
X The contents noted below, other than the IOCCC, are not affiliated
X with the IOCCC, nor are they endorsed by the IOCCC. We reserve the
X right to refuse to print information about a given contest.
X
X The information below was provided by the particular contest
X organizer(s) and printed by permission. Please contact the
X contest organizer(s) directly regarding their contents.
X
XWith that official notice given, we present for your ENJOYMENT, the following
Xinformation about contents:
X
X---------------------------------------------------------------------------
X
X 10th International Obfuscated C Contest
X
X "The original obfuscated contest"
X
X Obfuscate: tr.v. -cated, -cating, -cates. 1. a. To render obscure.
X b. To darken. 2. To confuse: Their emotions obfuscated
X their judgment. [LLat. obfuscare, to darken : ob(intensive) +
X Lat. fuscare, to darken < fuscus, dark.] -obfuscation n.
X obfuscatory adj.
X
X GOALS OF THE CONTEST:
X
X * To write the most Obscure/Obfuscated C program under the rules below.
X * To show the importance of programming style, in an ironic way.
X * To stress C compilers with unusual code.
X * To illustrate some of the subtleties of the C language.
X * To provide a safe forum for poor C code. :-)
X
X The IOCCC is the grandfather of USENET programming contests. Since
X 1984, this contest demonstrated that a program that simply works
X correctly is not sufficient. The IOCCC has also done much to add
X the arcane word 'obfuscated' back into the English language.
X (see "The New Hacker's Dictionary" by Eric Raymond)
X
X You are strongly encouraged to read the new contest rules before
X sending any entries. The rules, and sometimes the contest Email
X address itself, change over time. A valid entry one year may
X be rejected in a later year due to changes in the rules. The typical
X start date for contests is in early March. Contest rules are normally not
X finalized and posted until the beginning of the contest. The typical
X closing date for contests are in early May.
X
X The rules and the guidelines may (and often do) change from year to
X year. You should be sure you have the current rules and guidelines
X prior to submitting entries. To obtain them, send Email to the address
X above and use the subject 'send rules'.
X
X One may obtain winners of previous contests (1984 to date), via ftp from:
X
X host: ftp.uu.net (192.48.96.9)
X user: anonymous
X pass: yourname@yourhost
X dir: ~/pub/ioccc
X
X As a last resort, previous winners may be obtained by sending Email
X to the above address. Please use the subject 'send YEAR winners',
X where YEAR is a single 4 digit year, a year range, or 'all'.
X
X---------------------------------------------------------------------------
X
X 0th International Obfuscated Perl Contest
X By: Landon Noll & Larry Wall
X
X This content is being planned. Someday when Landon & Larry are not too
X busy, they will actually get around to posting the first set of rules!
X
X Landon says: "Yes, I know that I said we would have a contest in 1993,
X but other existing projects got in the way. Hopefully
X something will be developed after Nov 1993."
X
X---------------------------------------------------------------------------
X
X 2nd International obFUsCaTeD POsTsCripT Contest
X Jonathan Monsarrat (jgm@cs.brown.edu)
X Alena Lacova (alena@nikhef.nl)
X
X A contest of programming skills and knowledge, exclusively for the
X PostScript programming language. Its purpose:
X
X * To spread knowledge of PostScript and its details.
X * To applaud those with the best tricks.
X * To prove that humans can beat those damnable machine generators at
X their own game by writing the most obscure and mysterious PostScript
X programs ever.
X
X Winners will receive the fame and attention that goes with having their
X program entry posted as a winner to programmers world-wide.
X
X The 1993 contest rules and results are available by ftp as
X ``wilma.cs.brown.edu:pub/postscript/obfuscated*.shar'', or individually
X in the obfuscated directory. The judges will post the 1994 rules
X in November to comp.lang.postscript on Usenet, and other places.
X Send questions to jgm@cs.brown.edu.
X
X Categories include: Best Obfuscated PostScript, Best Artwork,
X Most Compact, Best Interactive Program, Most Useful, and
X anything so unusual and creative that it deserves an award.
X
X The judges will choose the winners of each category.
X
X Alena Lacova is a system administrator at NIKHEF (Institute for High
X Energy and Nuclear Physics) in the Netherlands. She is the author of
X The PostScript Chaos Programs, which draw Julia sets, Mandelbrot sets
X and other kinds of fractal functions.
X
X Jonathan Monsarrat is a graduate student from MIT and Brown University
X in the U.S.A. He is the FAQ maintainer for the Usenet newsgroup
X comp.lang.postscript and the author of The PostScript Zone and LameTeX.
X .
X
SHAR_EOF
chmod 0444 obfuscate.info ||
echo "restore of obfuscate.info failed"
set `wc -c obfuscate.info`;Wc_c=$1
if test "$Wc_c" != "6418"; then
echo original size 6418, current size $Wc_c
fi
exit 0
--
Sunnyvale residents: Vote Landon Noll for Sunnyvale City Council seat 1.
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Subject: Re: Protective gear
From: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca
Organization: BC Systems Corporation
Lines: 14
In article <734055654snz@morgan.demon.co.uk>, tony@morgan.demon.co.uk (Tony Kidson) writes:
> In article <1993Apr5.151323.7183@rd.hydro.on.ca> jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca writes:
>>In article <C4wKFs.BC1@eskimo.com> maven@eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes:
>>>What protective gear is the most important?
>>
>>I would go for the gloves. There's not a whole lot that you can do in life if
>>you have no skin on your hands.
>
> Yup! Ruins your sex life!
YOUR sex life, maybe....
--
Bruce Clarke B.C. Environment
e-mail: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca
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Organization: University of Notre Dame - Office of Univ. Computing
From: <RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu>
Subject: Re: Jewish Baseball Players?
<1993Apr16.173252.7393@asd.com>
Lines: 11
In article <1993Apr16.173252.7393@asd.com>, scott@asd.com (Scott Barman) says:
>
>Wasn't Ron Bloomberg, the former Yankee who got the first base hit
>by a Designated Hitter, Jewish??
i have no idea, nor do i care. however, i'd like to point out that
blomberg got the first plate appearance by a designated hitter, and
the first walk by a designated hitter. i am not sure, but i do not
think that he also got the first hit by a designated hitter.
bob vesterman.
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From: nerone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Michael Nerone)
Subject: Re: Newsgroup Split
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin
Lines: 25
Distribution: world
<1993Apr19.193758.12091@unocal.com>
<1quvdoINN3e7@srvr1.engin.umich.edu>
NNTP-Posting-Host: sylvester.cc.utexas.edu
In-reply-to: tdawson@engin.umich.edu's message of 19 Apr 1993 19:43:52 GMT
In article <1quvdoINN3e7@srvr1.engin.umich.edu>, tdawson@engin.umich.edu (Chris Herringshaw) writes:
CH> Concerning the proposed newsgroup split, I personally am not in
CH> favor of doing this. I learn an awful lot about all aspects of
CH> graphics by reading this group, from code to hardware to
CH> algorithms. I just think making 5 different groups out of this
CH> is a wate, and will only result in a few posts a week per group.
CH> I kind of like the convenience of having one big forum for
CH> discussing all aspects of graphics. Anyone else feel this way?
CH> Just curious.
I must agree. There is a dizzying number of c.s.amiga.* newsgroups
already. In addition, there are very few issues which fall cleanly
into one of these categories.
Also, it is readily observable that the current spectrum of amiga
groups is already plagued with mega-crossposting; thus the group-split
would not, in all likelihood, bring about a more structured
environment.
--
/~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\/~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\
/ Michael Nerone \"I shall do so with my customary lack of tact; and\
/ Internet Address: \since you have asked for this, you will be obliged\
/nerone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu\to pardon it."-Sagredo, fictional char of Galileo.\
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Subject: Re: Value of Kathy St.Pat'sDay stand?
From: bjbartlett@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Bart)
Organization: Shady Rest Home
Lines: 10
In article <dsblack.733712807@pv6807.vincent.iastate.edu>, dsblack@iastate.edu (Vilkata TDK) writes:
> I heard on one of these newsgroups a week or two ago that the Kathy Ireland
> Budweiser posters were popular. There are supposedly half-size and life-size
> posters. Well, someone I know got a life-size stand-up cardboard (thick, damn
> good quality) one, and was wondering what it was worth. Anybody?
What about the St. Pat. posters from last year? I have a stack of about
twenty, and two of the card-board cutouts. (No, they are NOT for sale, I
collect them.)
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From: glang@slee01.srl.ford.com (Gordon Lang)
Subject: Re: More Adaptec 1542B problems
Organization: Ford Motor Company Research Laboratory
Lines: 40
NNTP-Posting-Host: slee01.srl.ford.com
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
lioness@maple.circa.ufl.edu wrote:
:
: Okay, here is my configuration:
:
: 80486-33 Gateway 433C Micronics ISA
: 12MB RAM
: WD212MB IDE HD ( drive C: )
: ST3144A 125MB IDE HD ( drive D: )
: Adaptec SCSI 1542B controller, with SCSI BIOS enabled
: Seagate ST296N 80MB SCSI drive
:
: Alrighty, when I boot up I get the Adaptec BIOS message, but it says
: something like:
:
: "Drive C: installed"
: "Drive D: installed"
: "ADaptec SCSI BIOS not installed!"
:
: And I can't get to the Seagate drive.
:
: I go into PhoenixBIOS setup, remove the entry for drive D:, and BOOM, I can
: access the Seagate. Is there a way to get two IDE drives and the Seagate
: at the same time? I have ASPI4DOS.SYS, but it just hangs the system.
:
: Brian
:
There is a simple answer. If my memory serves me the scsi bios will only
work as the first or second drive. Any "built-in" drives e.g. IDE are
installed first and then when the scsi bios runs it will try to install
as the next drive. But if there are already two drives, then no can do.
The solution is simple: use the aspi4dos device driver and disable the
scsi bios (as it is useless in your case). It works like a champ! I
have seen a similar situation before.
Good Luck
Gordon Lang
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From: euclid@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Euclid K.)
Subject: Re: Anti-Viral Herbs
Article-I.D.: news.C51o24.8A4
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Lines: 38
kxgst1+@pitt.edu (Kenneth Gilbert) writes:
>Unfortunately it was rather poorly researched, and would not be available
>today if it were just invented. Keep in mind however that those were
>the days when a bottle of Coca Cola really did contain coca extract and
>a certain amount of active cocaine. Times have changed, and our attitudes
>need to change with them.
Well, yes. That was a part of my point. Aspirin has its problems, but
in some situations it is useful. Ditto stuff like licorice root. Taking
anything as a drug for theraputic purposes implicitly carries the idea
of taking a dose where the benefits are not exceeded by any unwanted,
additional effects. Taking any drug when the potential ill-effects are
not known is a risk assumed by the parties involved, and it may be that
in a given situation the risk is worthwhile.
Like Prozac, for instance; Prozac has been shown to be theraputic in
some cases where the tri-cyclics fail. But Prozac hasn't been in use
that long, and it really isn't clear what if any effects it may have
when taken over long periods of time, even though it has been tested
by present day standards. Should Prozac be taken off the market because
long-term effects, if any, are not known? IMHO, i'd say no.
euclid
>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>= Kenneth Gilbert | University of Pittsburgh =
>= General Internal Medicine --*-- Pittsburgh, PA =
>= kxgst1+@pitt.edu | "...dammit, not a programmer! =
>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>--
>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>= Kenneth Gilbert | University of Pittsburgh =
>= General Internal Medicine --*-- Pittsburgh, PA =
>= kxgst1+@pitt.edu | "...dammit, not a programmer! =
--
Euclid K. standard disclaimers apply
"It is a bit ironic that we need the wave model [of light] to understand the
propagation of light only through that part of the system where it leaves no
trace." --Hudson & Nelson (_University_Physics_)
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From: maler@vercors.imag.fr (Oded Maler)
Subject: Re: FLAME and a Jewish home in Palestine
Nntp-Posting-Host: pelvoux
Organization: IMAG, University of Grenoble, France
Lines: 40
In article <C5HJBC.1HC@bony1.bony.com>, jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes:
|> In article <1993Apr13.172422.2407@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca> nabil@ariel.yorku.ca (Nabil Gangi) writes:
|>
|> >According to Exodus, there were 600,000 Jews that marched out of Egypt.
|>
|> This is only the number of adult males. The total number of Jewish
|> slaves leaving Egypt was much larger.
|>
|> >The number which could have arrived to the Holy Lands must have been
|> >substantially less ude to the harsh desert and the killings between the
|> >Jewish tribes on the way..
|> >
|> >NABIL
|>
|> Typical Arabic thinking. If we are guilty of something, so is
|> everyone else. Unfortunately for you, Nabil, Jewish tribes are not
|> nearly as susceptible to the fratricidal murdering that is still so
|> common among Arabs in the Middle East. There were no " killings
|> between the Jewish tribes on the way."
I don't like this comment about "Typical" thinking. You could state
your interpretation of Exodus without it. As I read Exodus I can see
a lot of killing there, which is painted by the author of the bible
in ideological/religious colors. The history in the desert can be seen
as an ethos of any nomadic people occupying a land. That's why I think
it is a great book with which descendants Arabs, Turks and Mongols can
unify as well.
|> Jake
|> --
|> Jake Livni jake@bony1.bony.com Ten years from now, George Bush will
|> American-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the
|> My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President.
--
===============================================================
Oded Maler, LGI-IMAG, Bat D, B.P. 53x, 38041 Grenoble, France
Phone: 76635846 Fax: 76446675 e-mail: maler@imag.fr
===============================================================
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From: claes@polaris (Heinz-Josef Claes)
Subject: german keyboard, X11R5 and Sparc
Nntp-Posting-Host: polaris.informatik.uni-essen.de
Organization: Uni-Essen
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Lines: 8
I have a Sparc[12] with a german type 4 keyboard.
Has anybody a Patch for X11R5?
Thanks in advance
Heinz-Josef Claes
email: claes@tigger.turbo.uni-essen.de
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From: Clarke@bdrc.bd.com (Richard Clarke)
Subject: Countersteering sans Hands
Organization: Becton Dickinson Research Center R.T.P. NC USA
Lines: 7
Nntp-Posting-Host: polymr4.bdrc.bd.com
So how do I steer when my hands aren't on the bars? (Open Budweiser in left
hand, Camel cigarette in the right, no feet allowed.) If I lean, and the
bike turns, am I countersteering? Is countersteering like benchracing only
with a taller seat, so your feet aren't on the floor?
-Rick
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From: tthiel@cs.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)
Subject: Re: Why does Apple give us a confusing message?
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Lines: 16
ferch@ucs.ubc.ca (Les Ferch) writes:
>In <C5nGII.BGx@news2.cis.umn.edu> bunt0003@student.tc.umn.edu (Monthian
>Buntan-1) writes:
>>Does anyone know why Apple has an ambiguous message for C650 regarding
>>fpu? In all Mac price lists I've seen, every C650 as the message "fpu:
>>optional". I know from what we've discussed in this newsgroup that all
>>C650 have the fpu built in except the 4/80 configuration. Why would they
>>be so unclear about this issue in their price list?
>Perhaps the reason is simple--maybe the marketing people who put together
>the brochures and price lists weren't clear on the FPU issue.
Perhaps the marketing people don't KNOW what an FPU is!
-Terry
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From: cgcad@bart.inescn.pt (Comp. Graphics/CAD)
Subject: Re: Fonts in POV??
Nntp-Posting-Host: bart
Organization: INESC-Porto, Portugal
Lines: 27
Hi.
The RTrace ray tracer supports 3D text as a primitive, not collections of
spheres, cylinders and so on...
The 3D chars are made of lines and splines that are extruded...
Please have a look at asterix.inescn.pt [192.35.246.17] in directory
pub/RTrace.
In pub/RTrace/tmp there are some demo images with high quality text.
All of them are called Text?.jpg (JPEG encoded). See them first and then
tell me what you think.
Regards,
Antonio.
.........................................................................
O O
/ / I N E S C
| O | Antonio Costa | E-Mail acc@asterix.inescn.pt
| |\ | O | acosta@porto.inescn.pt
| | \ | / O Comp. Graphics & CAD | DECnet porto::a_costa
| | \| / / |
| | / | | Largo Mompilher 22 | UUCP {mcvax,...}!...
O | |-O | | 4100 Porto PORTUGAL | Bell +351+02+321006
/ \ / \
O O O "Let the good times roll..."
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From: downs@helios.nevada.edu (Lamont Downs)
Subject: Re: Win NT - what is it???
Lines: 18
Nntp-Posting-Host: cat.lv-lib.nevada.edu
Organization: UNLV
> Can anyone tell me how Chicago/Windows 4 would differ from
>OS/2 2.x? Believe it or not, I'm not trying to start a flame war,
>here. I'm simply curious if there is going to be any feature
>advantage in either of these products (I do not consider the fact that
>it has uncle bills seal of approval much of a feature...)
One difference will _probably_ be the same difference as between OS2 and
Windows 3.x now--one will likely have a lot of software available for
it and one won't (emulation, with the inevitable incompatibilities that
crop up in spite of all the contrary claims, just doesn't count when you
_have_ to use a certain software package that doesn't quite run properly
under the emulation...). Developers want to channel their resources toward
a platform that has a large installed base, and in a case like that the
platform that is most successfully _marketed_ (regardless of its relative
sophistication) will win.
Lamont Downs
downs@nevada.edu
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From: srivasta@pilgrim.umass.edu (Manoj Srivastava)
Subject: [REQUEST] Need tvtwm sources with mods from R. J. Caley
Organization: Project Pilgrim, University of Massachusetts at Amherst
Lines: 17
Distribution: world
Reply-To: srivasta@pilgrim.umass.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: mecca.pilgrim.umass.edu
Hello,
way back in the mists of time, I had a set of patches written
by Richard Caley (I believe to the standars distribution, patch level
6) which added regular expressions in the .tvtwmrc file, multiple icon
regions, squeezable icons, and f.deleteordestroy function. I still
have the patches, however, I can no longer find the sources to which
they applied ;-).
I'd appreciate if some kind soul could send me a pointer to
where I could find the sources. Has anyone updated the patches for R5?
(Richard? are you out there? pretty please?)
Thanks in advance.
manoj
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From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Subject: Re: Too Many Europeans in NHL
Article-I.D.: adobe.1993Apr6.201745.840
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Lines: 24
In article <1993Apr6.195022.6362@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>Major league baseball has told the Blue Jays and the Expos not to
>sign Oscar Linares (I think that is his name)
Linares has not defected; as I pointed out, MLB requires that the player
defect first.
>...Canada does not have the restrictions against
>Cubans that the US has and other major league teams have told the
>Canadian teams that they would be very unhappy if the Expos or the
>Blue Jays would do this.
What a surprise. As long as the pool of talent is not accessible to all
teams, MLB won't let a few teams sign it. Seems perfectly reasonable to
me.
> Cubans players would not have to defect
>to play in Canada and could play the 81 home games for the Expos
>and Blue Jays without any trouble.
Except that MLB won't allow it, which is all I ever said.
Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com
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From: rhirji@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (Rahim Hirji)
Subject: Re: Flames Question
Keywords: Roberts Flames
Organization: University of Waterloo
Lines: 22
In article <C5HtrB.ICE@ccu.umanitoba.ca> clhawth@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Timothy Chesley) writes:
>I heard a little while back that Gary Roberts would be returning to play
>in Calgary's last regular season game. Can anybody confirm this??
>He'll be a big help to the Flames in the playoffs and may change my
>playoff pool strategy.
Roberts played in last night game against the Sharks and got a goal (38th)
and an assist.
This definitely bolsters Calgary's chances in the playoffs.
Rahim Hirji
--
| Rahim Hirji
Life is what happens while you are | Actuarial Science
making other plans | rhirji@descartes.uwaterloo.ca
| University of Waterloo
|
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|
From: hinds@cmgm.stanford.edu (Alexander Hinds)
Subject: Headphones for sale
Keywords: headphones
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Lines: 9
I have two pairs of headphones I'd like to sell. These are excellent, and both in great condition:
Denon AH-D350
JVC HA-D590
Any reasonable offer accepted.
Alexander Hinds
(415) 497-3719
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From: whit@carson.u.washington.edu (John Whitmore)
Subject: Re: minimal boolean circuit
Article-I.D.: shelley.1r2717INNdjh
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Lines: 41
NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu
In article <1993Apr9.041505.8593@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> djimenez@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Daniel Jimenez) writes:
>Suppose we have a boolean function which is a minimal sum-of-products
>(derived from a K-map or something), like this:
>f(a,b,c,d) = bc'd' + acd' + abc' + ab'c
>
>The books on logic design I have consulted all seem to imply that this
>is where the analysis ends ... But by factoring out the
>`a' term in the function, we can get fewer gates:
>f(a,b,c,d) = bc'd' + a(cd' + bc' + b'c),
>which yields 9 gates.
Yes, but... the minimization of gates is important in part
because of TIMING considerations. A TTL gate has the basic structure
of AND/OR/INVERT, and an inversion of a sum of a product is just
exactly ONE gate delay. The reason to find a minimal sum of products
is that this matches a hardware optimization.
A positive-OR gate (such as the 9-gate solution uses) has
TWO gate delays (and there's another gate delay in the second term)
so that the second solution, while simpler in logic symbols, can
be expected to be something less than optimal in the real world.
ECL is similar to TTL, in that it can support an OR/AND
gate with the minimum delay (unlike TTL, you get both true and
inverse outputs for 'free' when using ECL).
PALs are basically large programmable AND/OR/INVERT
gates (with your choice of internal connections between the
various sections, and perhaps some latches), so a minimum sum
of products ALSO is a way to shoehorn a logic design into
a few PALs. It's not comparably easy to design with a minimization
of logic gates, but some software packages claim to allow you to
do so, and will take just about any mess of gates (as a nodelist
with 74xxx series logic ICs) and produce a description of
a logic cell array to do the same job. Xilinx's XACT software
does this by treating each logic block as a macro, and expanding
it all out, then simplifying.
John Whitmore
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From: drohand@cad.gmeds.com (Dominic Drohan)
Subject: Re: RE: Win NT - what is it???
Organization: EDS/Cadillac
Lines: 16
NNTP-Posting-Host: cve385.ttp.cad.gmeds.com
> Anyway, don't expect it soon. Windows 4 and DOS 7 are supposed to
^^^^^
My understanding was that Chicago **was** DOS 7.
>be >released next year (read: see it in 95), so I expect that Chicogo won't
>be out >til '96.
+-----------------------------------------------------------+
| Dominic Drohan EMAIL: drohand@cad.gmeds.com |
| Electronic Data Systems PHONE: (313) 696-6315 |
+-----------------------------------------------------------+
| "If you'd like to talk for hours . . just go ahead now" |
| - The Spin Doctors |
+-----------------------------------------------------------+
| NOTE: The views and opinions expressed herein are mine, |
| and DO NOT reflect those of Electronic Data Systems Corp. |
+-----------------------------------------------------------+
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From: davet@interceptor.cds.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS)
Subject: Re: uh, der, whassa deltabox?
Organization: Tektronix - Colorado Data Systems, Englewood, CO
Lines: 21
In article <5227@unisql.UUCP> ray@unisql.UUCP (Ray Shea) writes:
>
>Can someone tell me what a deltabox frame is, and what relation that has,
>if any, to the frame on my Hawk GT? That way, next time some guy comes up
>to me in some parking lot and sez "hey, dude, nice bike, is that a deltabox
>frame on there?" I can say something besides "duh, er, huh?"
Deltabox (tm) is a registered trademark of Yamaha, used to describe
their aluminum perimeter frame design, used on the FZR400 and FZR1000.
In cross-section, it has a five-sided appearance, so it probably really
should be called a "Pentabox".
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
| Dave Tharp | DoD #0751 | "You can't wear out |
| davet@interceptor.CDS.TEK.COM | MRA #151 | an Indian Scout, |
| '88 K75S '48 Indian Chief | AHRMA #751 | Or its brother the Chief.|
| '75 R90S(#151) '72 TR-2B(#751) | AMA #524737 | They're built like rocks |
| '65 R50/2/Velorex '57 NSU Max | | to take the knocks, |
| 1936 BMW R12 | (Compulsive | It's the Harleys that |
| My employer has no idea. | Joiner) | give you grief." |
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: royc@rbdc.wsnc.org (Roy Crabtree)
Subject: Re: A Message for you Mr. President: How do you know what happened?
Organization: Red Barn Data Center
Lines: 11
In article <keng.735334134@tunfaire> keng@den.mmc.com (Ken Garrido) writes:
[lotsa stuff taken out]
Bottom line: due process was not served. No peaceful attempt to serve
a warrant occurred.
Think on that.
royc
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From: lulagos@cipres.cec.uchile.cl (admirador)
Subject: OAK VGA 1Mb. Please, I needd VESA TSR!!! 8^)
Originator: lulagos@cipres
Nntp-Posting-Host: cipres.cec.uchile.cl
Organization: Centro de Computacion (CEC), Universidad de Chile
Lines: 15
Hi there!...
Well, i have a 386/40 with SVGA 1Mb. (OAK chip 077) and i don't
have VESA TSR program for this card. I need it .
Please... if anybody can help me, mail me at:
lulagos@araucaria.cec.uchile.cl
Thanks.
Mackk.
_ /|
\'o.O'
=(___)=
U
Ack!
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From: ptrei@bistromath.mitre.org (Peter Trei)
Subject: Re: Fifth Amendment and Passwords
Nntp-Posting-Host: bistromath.mitre.org
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Lines: 33
In article <1993Apr17.122651.1874@sugra.uucp> ken@sugra.uucp (Kenneth Ng) writes:
>In article <1993Apr16.165423.27204@linus.mitre.org: ptrei@bistromath.mitre.org (Peter Trei) writes:
>:Judge: "I grant you immunity from whatever may be learned from the key
>: itself"
>:You: "The keyphrase is: "I confess to deliberately evading copyright;
>: the file encoded with this keyphrase contains illegal scans of
>: copyrighted Peanuts strips.""
>:Judge and CP: "Oh."
>: How will they get you now? I'm not saying that they won't, or
>:can't (or even that they shouldn't :-), but what legal mechanism will
>:they use? Should we be crossposting this to misc.legal?
>
>Hm, could another court try you via a bypass of the double jeopardy amendment
>like they are doing in the LAPD trial? Ie your judge is a state judge, and
>then a federal judge retries you under the justification that its not the
>same trail.
No. The LAPD officers were tried first by the State of California
on charges of police brutality, and secondly by the Federal Government
on depriving RK of his civil rights - a different crime.
The scenario I outline is more similar to the Oliver North trial.
Ollie confessed to treason (aiding an enemy of the US) during Senate
hearings, under immunity. The team which was later to prosecute him on
criminal charges had to sequester itself from all reports of ON's
immunized testimony. ON's lawyer brought up the probability that at
least someone on the team had heard about the Senate testimony, and it
was a strong factor against the prosecution, which is one of the
reasons this ON is still walking around free today.
Peter Trei
ptrei@mitre.org
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From: cac2g@Virginia.EDU ("THE Wing Commander")
Subject: Re: More Cool BMP files??
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Lines: 4
Has anybody gotten this BMP to work? I try to uudecode it, but
I get "input file error" and no picture. Anybody?
--Casey
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From: dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren)
Subject: Re: Desertification of the Negev
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Lines: 12
This is nonsense. I lived in the Negev for many years and I can say
for sure that no Beduins were "moved" or harmed in any way. On the
contrary, their standard of living has climbed sharply; many of them
now live in rather nice, permanent houses, and own cars. There are
quite a few Beduin students in the Ben-Gurion university. There are
good, friendly relations between them and the rest of the population.
All the Beduins I met would be rather surprised to read Mr. Davidson's
poster, I have to say.
-Danny Keren.
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From: andrew.payne@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Andrew Payne)
Subject: WANTED: TCM3105 chips, small quantities
Distribution: world
Organization: HAL 9000 BBS, W-NET HQ, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Reply-To: andrew.payne@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Andrew Payne)
Keywords: rec mod
Lines: 29
From: payne@crl.dec.com (Andrew Payne)
Message-ID: <1993Apr20.004418.11548@crl.dec.com>
Organization: DEC Cambridge Research Lab
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1993 00:44:18 GMT
Does anyone know if a source for the TCM3105 modem chips (as used in the
Baycom and my PMP modems)? Ideally, something that is geared toward
hobbyists: small quantity, mail order, etc.
For years, we've been buying them from a distributor (Marshall) by the
hundreds for PMP kits. But orders have dropped to the point where we can
no longer afford to offer this service. And all of the distributors I've
checked have some crazy minimum order ($100, or so).
I'd like to find a source for those still interested in building PMP kits.
Any suggestions?
--
Andrew C. Payne
DEC Cambridge Research Lab
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From: keegan@acm.rpi.edu (James G. Keegan Jr.)
Subject: Re: Spreading Christianity (Re: Christian Extremist Kills Doctor)
Nntp-Posting-Host: hermes.acm.rpi.edu
Reply-To: keegan@hermes.acm.rpi.edu
Organization: T.S.A.K.C.
Lines: 15
nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:
->I addressed most of the key issues in this very long (284 lines) post
->by Dean Kaflowitz in two posts yesterday. The first was made into the
->title post of a new thread, "Is Dean Kaflowitz terminally irony-impaired?"
->and the second, more serious one appeared along the thread
->"A Chaney Post, and a Challenge, reissued and revised"
if you're so insecure about people reading your posts
that you feel the need to write new posts announcing
what you wrote in old, posts, why bother? accept it
PHoney, you're a laughingstock.
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From: johnh@macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au (John Haddy)
Subject: Re: what to do with old 256k SIMMs?
Organization: Macquarie University
Lines: 14
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au
In article <120466@netnews.upenn.edu>, jhaines@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Jason Haines) writes:
|>
|> I was wondering if people had any good uses for old
|> 256k SIMMs. I have a bunch of them for the Apple Mac
|> and I know lots of other people do to. I have tried to
|> sell them but have gotten NO interest.
|>
|> So, if you have an inovative use (or want to buy
|> some SIMMs 8-) ), I would be very interested in hearing
|> about it.
The most practical use I've seen for them is as key ring ornaments :-)
JohnH
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From: diederic@spot.Colorado.EDU (Andrew Diederich)
Subject: Re: Ax the ATF
Nntp-Posting-Host: spot.colorado.edu
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: usa
Lines: 19
>A few comments on the ATF's botched handling of this case:
>Dan S.
And another one:
Hasn't enyone heard of a leader's recon? This is when the leader of the
assult goes and looks at the objective to see if anything has changed that
would affect the mission. Even the Freshman cadets here in ROTCland
know about them. Mostly because they know it as the part where they
lie on the cold ground for an hour or so, but they've heard about it.
Maybe the ATF should have hired out to the local ROTC guys!
--
Andrew Diederich diederic@spot.colorado.edu
These opinions are only mine on alternate Tuesdays.
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From: chrisa@hpwarr.hp.com ( Chris Almy)
Subject: Re: (?) SpeedSTAR VGA Card Win. Drivers
Reply-To: chrisa@hpwarr.UUCP
Keywords: VGA SpeedSTAR Drivers Video Card
Lines: 6
These drivers (updated) are available directly from Diamond.
they will even ship them to you at no charge.(at least they
did for me.)
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From: ekr@kyle.eitech.com (Eric Rescorla)
Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is
Organization: EIT
Lines: 29
NNTP-Posting-Host: kyle.eitech.com
In article <1qjd3o$nlv@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes:
>In article <sandvik-140493230024@sandvik-kent.apple.com# sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes:
>#In article <1qie61$fkt@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de>, frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank
>#O'Dwyer) wrote:
>#> Objective morality is morality built from objective values.
>#
>#You now pushed down the defintion of objectivity into realm of
>#objective values. So you need to explain that as well, as well
>#as the objective sub-parts, the objective atoms, quarks...
>Firstly, science has its basis in values, not the other way round.
You keep saying that. I do not think it means what you think it
means.
Perhaps you should explain what you think "science has it's basis
in values" means. The reason why people DO science is that
they value it's results. That does not mean that science has
it's basis in values. Any more than DES stops working if I stop
valuing my privacy.
>So you better explain what objective atoms are, and how we get them
>from subjective values, before we go any further.
See above.
-Ekr
--
Eric Rescorla ekr@eitech.com
Would you buy used code from this man?
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From: caronni@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch (Germano Caronni)
Subject: Some Questions (was: REVISED SUMMARY)
Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Lines: 90
> Here is a revised version of my summary that corrects some errors and
> provides some additional information and explanation.
Thank you very much. After reading the text some distinct questions
arised to me, which I guess will also be asked by other people. Perhaps
would it be interesting to find an answer to these questions ?
> THE CLIPPER CHIP: A TECHNICAL SUMMARY
> N, a 30-bit serial number (this length is subject to change)
shorter or longer ?
> Once the session key K is established, the Clipper Chip is used to
> encrypt the conversation or message stream M (digitized voice). The
> telephone security device feeds K and M into the chip to produce two
> values:
> E[M; K], the encrypted message stream, and
> E[E[K; U] + N; F], a law enforcement field ,
> which are transmitted over the telephone line. The law enforcement
> field thus contains the session key K encrypted under the unit key U
> concatenated with the serial number N, all encrypted under the family
> key F. The law enforcement field is decrypted by law enforcement after
> an authorized wiretap has been installed.
First question: When will the LawEnforcmentField be transmitted, and how
does the remote Clipper Chip handle it? Is it transmitted periodically
in the stream of encrypted blocks, or just at the beginning ? Does the
phone at the other side discard those packets via a protocol whatsoever,
or tries it to turn them into voice-output ? (Which would not be disturbing)
> At the beginning of a session, a trusted agent from each of the two key
> escrow agencies enters the vault. Agent 1 enters a secret, random
> 80-bit value S1 into the laptop and agent 2 enters a secret, random
> 80-bit value S2. These random values serve as seeds to generate unit
> keys for a sequence of serial numbers. Thus, the unit keys are a
> function of 160 secret, random bits, where each agent knows only 80.
Second question: Why!?!? Why is such a strange procedure used, and not
a real RNG ? This turns those S1,S2 in a kind of bottleneck for system-
security.
> When law enforcement has been authorized to tap an encrypted line, they
> will first take the warrant to the service provider in order to get
> access to the communications line. Let us assume that the tap is in
> place and that they have determined that the line is encrypted with the
> Clipper Chip. The law enforcement field is first decrypted with the
> family key F, giving E[K; U] + N. Documentation certifying that a tap
> has been authorized for the party associated with serial number N is
> then sent (e.g., via secure FAX) to each of the key escrow agents, who
> return (e.g., also via secure FAX) U1 and U2. U1 and U2 are XORed
> together to produce the unit key U, and E[K; U] is decrypted to get the
> session key K. Finally the message stream is decrypted. All this will
> be accomplished through a special black box decoder.
So no (technical) provision will be taken to place a 'timeout' on these
warrants? This would be a unique possibility to realize such a technical
restriction, by letting the escrow-agencies perform the decoding of the
session key. Just take modem-lines instead of secure fax. Is this such
a bad idea ?
> A successor to the Clipper Chip, called "Capstone" by the government
> and "MYK-80" by Mykotronx, has already been developed. It will include
> the Skipjack algorithm, the Digital Signature Standard (DSS), the
> Secure Hash Algorithm (SHA), a method of key exchange, a fast
> exponentiator, and a randomizer. A prototoype will be available for
> testing on April 22, and the chips are expected to be ready for
> delivery in June or July.
Wow! (How does the randomizer work?) Are the SHA (and Key exchange) secret,
or publicly known ? Key-Exchange is DH, I guess ?
It seems that those who are opposed to this chip shall have a tough time,
your government realy means to act. :-(
Friendly greetings,
Germano Caronni
--
Instruments register only through things they're designed to register.
Space still contains infinite unknowns.
PGP-Key-ID:341027
Germano Caronni caronni@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch FD560CCF586F3DA747EA3C94DD01720F
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From: pathall@astro.as.arizona.edu (Patrick B. Hall)
Subject: FOR SALE: Sega Genesis system
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ
Lines: 9
My roommate is selling a Sega Genesis system with Sonic I,
in very nice condition, for $100 obo. Please respond via
email to:
pathall@as.arizona.edu
Alternate email addresses are phall@noao.edu and moe@ccit.arizona.edu.
Thanks,
Pat Hall
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From: rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson)
Subject: Re: A Message for you Mr. President: How do you know what happened?
Organization: University of Virginia
Lines: 24
In article <bskendigC5rCBG.Azp@netcom.com> bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) writes:
>They used a tank to knock a hole in the wall, and they released
>non-toxic, non-flammable tear gas into the building.
How do you know? Were you there?
While obviously Koresh was a nut case, the (typical) inability of the
government/media to get its story straight is quite disturbing. On
tuesday night, NBC news reported that the FBI did not know the place
was burning down until they saw black smoke billowing from the
building. The next day, FBI agents were insisting that they saw Davidians
setting the fire. The FBI was also adamantly denying that it was possible
their battery of the compound's wallks could have accidentally set the
blaze, while also saying they hadnt been able to do much investigating
of the site because it was still too hot. So how did they KNOW they
didnt accidentally set the fire.
Sounds like the FBI just burned the place to the ground to destroy
evidence to me.
--
Legalize Freedom
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From: aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer)
Subject: Re: DC-X update???
Organization: Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow
Lines: 35
In article <1993Apr14.231654.14060@stsci.edu> rdouglas@stsci.edu (Rob Douglas) writes:
>This question is probably mostly for Allen Sherzer, but anyone who KNOWS
>would be welcome to answer. I was just wondering if we could have some kind
>of update on DC-X.
Well it rolled out two weeks ago. As we speak it is at White Sands getting
ready. I would have called my sources for the latest but they are all out
of town (in NM).
As for the future, there is at least $5M in next years budget for work
on SSRT. They (SDIO) have been looking for more funds and do seem to have
some. However, SDIO is not (I repeat, is not) going to fund an orbital
prototype. The best we can hope from them is to 1) keep it alive for
another year, and 2) fund a suborbital vehicle which MIGHT (with
major modifications) just make orbit. There is also some money for a
set of prototype tanks and projects to answer a few more open questions.
Better news comes from the new Spacelifter effort. The USAF managers of
this program are very open to SSTO and will have about $50M next
year for studies. This would be enough to bring DC-Y to PDR.
Now not all of this money will go to DC but a good case could be made
for spending half on DC.
Public support is STILL critical. Meet with your Congressperson (I'll
help you do it) and get his/her support. Also call your local media
ans get them to cover the flight tests.
Allen
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| W. Churchill: "Madam, if you were my wife, I would drink it." |
+----------------------62 DAYS TO FIRST FLIGHT OF DCX-----------------------+
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From: jlange%radian@natinst.com (John Lange)
Subject: WANTED: Used audio mixer
Distribution: usa
Nntp-Posting-Host: zippy.radian.com
Organization: Radian Corporation, Austin, Texas
Lines: 9
I'm looking for a used/inexpensive audio mixer. I need at least
4 channels of stereo input and 1 channel of stereo output, but I would
prefer 8 or more input channels. Each channel needs to have at least a
volume control. I'll consider buying broken equipment. The mixer needs
to be fairly small (I haven't got a lot of space for it).
John Lange (jlange@zippy.radian.com)
Radian Corp. (512)454-4797 Box 201088 Austin, TX 78720-1088
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From: rscharfy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ryan C Scharfy)
Subject: Re: Good Neighbor Political Hypocrisy Test
Nntp-Posting-Host: magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University
Lines: 23
In article <stevethC5JGCr.1Ht@netcom.com> steveth@netcom.com (Steve Thomas) wri
tes:
>
>Just _TRY_ to justify the War On Drugs, I _DARE_ you!
>
A friend of mine who smoke pot every day and last Tuesday took 5 hits of acid
is still having trouble "aiming" for the bowl when he takes a dump. Don't as
me how, I just have seen the results.
Boy, I really wish we we cut the drug war and have more people screwed up in
the head.
>--
>_______
>Steve Thomas
>steveth@rossinc.com
Ryan
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From: rcollins@encore.com (Roger Collins)
Subject: Re: Top Ten Reasons Not to Aid Russians
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Nntp-Posting-Host: sysgem1.encore.com
Lines: 116
julie@eddie.jpl.nasa.gov (Julie Kangas) writes:
>In article <C513wJ.75y@encore.com> rcollins@ns.encore.com (Roger Collins) writes:
>>julie@eddie.jpl.nasa.gov (Julie Kangas) writes:
>>|> Don't look at me. I want to send aid to Russia. Many other
>>|> conservatives do as well.
>>|>
>>Yes, it was Nixon who was most vocal about giving money to Russia. It
>>makes me proud to be a libertarian. It appears both conservatives and
>>liberals prefer to cold war until you win, then nurse the enemy back to
>>health for another go around.
>Enemy? Sounds like that's the viewpoint of the stereotypical rednecked
>conservative -- 'always been commies, always will be.'
OK, I should have said "former" enemy. I was being sarcastic about what
interventionists want to do.
>I suggest you
>listen very carefully to the stuff Yeltsin and his people are saying
>and compare that with the very anti-West slogans coming from his
>opponents in the Russian congress. I sure know who I want to back.
Could we back him without forcing others to back him at the point of a
gun?
Have you considered a non-interventionist policy? If market reform does
happen, Russia will certainly get *private* capital at *private* risk to
help their economy. They will even have incentive to do so for the same
reason. If they don't reform, then our government will probably
consider them enemies anyway and rather spend money to hurt rather than help
them.
Then their's the ideological point. We want to "win" Russia over to
our type of government -- a type where the rulers can rule without limit
over everyone's finances?
>>It's like subsidizing the wealthy countries (Japan, Germany, etc.) with
>>free defense, and then trade-warring with them because of the economic
>>competition. It's like subsidizing tobacco farmers while paying
>>bureaucrats to pursuade people not to smoke.
>Better to let them degenerate into civil war? Remember all those
>nuclear weapons in Russia. I cannot imagine that they would not
>be used in a civil war. If nationialists take over and, even if
>they prevent a civil war, most feel they must take back large
>parts of land that are in other countries (like Ukraine.) I also cannot
>imagine Ukraine giving up land without a fight, possibly nuclear.
>How does this affect us? Well, we are on the same planet and if
>vast tracks of Europe are blown away I think we'd feel something.
>A massive breakup of a country that spans 1/6th the planet is
>bound to have affects here. (Of course, there is also the
>humanitarian argument that democracies should help other
>democracies (or struggling democracies).)
If a $1.6 billion gift was that important to our well being, couldn't it
be raised voluntarilly? People already give over $100 billion a year to
charity.
>>
>>I ask myself, what law could we pass to prevent government from doing
>>stupid, frivilous things with OUR money? Then I think, the Constitution
>>was supposed to do that. Could someone please tell me what legitimate
>>constitutional power the federal government is using when it takes money
>>from my paycheck and gives it to needy countries? Seriously.
>Seriously. Everyone has different opinions on what is stupid.
>My two "causes" are aid to Russia and a strong space program.
>Someone else will champion welfare or education or doing studies
>of drunken goldfish. That is why we have a republic and not a
>true democracy. Instead of gridlock on a massive scale, we
>only have gridlock on a congressional scale.
It seems instead of gridlock on any scale, we have aid to Russia,
expensive space programs, national charity that doesn't help the poor,
and probably, studies of drunken goldfish. I think *limited* government
is more key than how democratic it is.
>BTW, who is to decide 'stupid?' This is just like those who
>want to impose their 'morals' on others -- just the sort of
>thing I thought Libertarians were against.
That was an opinion, and libertarians are very big on free speech.
>Actually, my politics are pretty Libertarian except on this one issue
>and this is why it is impossible for me to join the party. It seems
>that Libertarians want to withdraw from the rest of the world and
>let it sink or swim.
If you are pretty libertarian except on this one issue then you should
be VERY libertarian. Consider it a compromise. How much money would
your fellow Russia-aiders have to give to Russia if those you oppose
weren't using the same government machine to steal money from you
and your group for causes you don't support?
>We could do that 100 years ago but not now.
People have been saying that for hundreds of years.
>Like it or not we are in the beginnings of a global economy and
>global decision making.
All the more reason to depend on the free market which can more
efficiently process information, than to depend on rulers for decisions
on complex issues.
>Julie
>DISCLAIMER: All opinions here belong to my cat and no one else
Roger Collins
Sometimes it is said that man cannot be trusted with the government
of himself. Can he, then, be trusted with the government of others?
Or have we found angels in the forms of kings to govern him? Let
history answer this question.
-- Thomas Jefferson, First Inaugural Address
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From: halle@rebecca.its.rpi.edu (Ezra D.B. Hall)
Subject: Re: Receiver and C-101 equilizer for sale
Keywords: receiver, equilizer ,sterio,amp
Article-I.D.: rpi.zss56vm
Lines: 26
Nntp-Posting-Host: rebecca.its.rpi.edu
I have sold the receiver. The Equilizer is still for sale
-Technics SA-450 integrated Quartz synthesizer Digital Receiver
-SOLD!!!!!
-Audio Control C-101 graphic equilizer
-This is an awesome Eq., but I am broke.
-10 bands/channel, octave EQ
-subsonic filter
-rumble reducer
-tape monitor
-amazing real time spectrum analyzer with calibrtated microphone and
pink noise generator, calibrated and uncalibrated range adjustment,
display is calibrated in dB and can display the average energy per
band, or the average for the full speactrum(great for checking how
loud your system is)
-The display action has two speed settings to adjust how quickly the
display responds to transients
This is one of the best equilizers around. It is very quiet, and the display
Is fascinating to watch. It sells for $400-$450 in stores, so I will sell it
for -$315 obo
send all responses to halle@rpi.edu , or call (518)276-7382 eve.
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From: chen@nuclear.med.bcm.tmc.edu (ChenLin)
Subject: Re: Can I get more than 640 x 480 on 13" monitor?
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine
Lines: 5
Distribution: na
Reply-To: chen@nuclear.bcm.tmc.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: nuclear.med.bcm.tmc.edu
Keywords: 13" monitor, 8*24 resolution
Try MaxAppleZoom ( a shareware init ) if your monitor is not driven by internal
video.
chen
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From: 02106@ravel.udel.edu (Samuel Ross)
Subject: Tech Books for sale!!! Cheap!!!
Nntp-Posting-Host: ravel.udel.edu
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: usa
Lines: 26
SOMEONE PLEASE BUY THESE BOOKS!!!!! I AM NOT ASKING MUCH!!!!!!
LIQUIDATION!!!!!! Send me your offer! No reasonable offer refused!
First come first served! I JUST WANT TO GET RID OF THESE BOOKS!!!
JUST MAKE ME AN OFFER!!!!!
* Calculus w/ Analytic Geometry by Authur B. Simon (copyright date 1982), below avg condition but still readable! Give me $8 (shipping incl) and its yours!
* Writing good software in Fortran, Graham Smith. $12 (shipp incl)
* General Chemistry Principles & Modern Applications, R. Petrucci, fourth
edition. Big Book! (this book + following 2 books $20 for all 3!!)
* Solutions manual for Chemistry book.
* Study guide for Chemistry book.
Send me your offers via email at 02106@chopin.udel.edu
Sam
02106@chopin.udel.edu
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From: ron.roth@rose.com (ron roth)
Subject: Selective Placebo
X-Gated-By: Usenet <==> RoseMail Gateway (v1.70)
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Lines: 33
K(> king@reasoning.com (Dick King) writes:
K(>
K(> RR> ron.roth@rose.com (ron roth) wrote:
K(> RR> OTOH, who are we kidding, the New England Medical Journal in 1984
K(> RR> ran the heading: "Ninety Percent of Diseases are not Treatable by
K(> RR> Drugs or Surgery," which has been echoed by several other reports.
K(> RR> No wonder MDs are not amused with alternative medicine, since
K(> RR> the 20% magic of the "placebo effect" would award alternative
K(> RR> practitioners twice the success rate of conventional medicine...
K(>
K(> 1: "90% of diseases" is not the same thing as "90% of patients".
K(>
K(> In a world with one curable disease that strikes 100 people, and nine
K(> incurable diseases which strikes one person each, medical science will cure
K(> 91% of the patients and report that 90% of diseases have no therapy.
K(>
K(> 2: A disease would be counted among the 90% untreatable if nothing better than
K(> a placebo were known. Of course MDs are ethically bound to not knowingly
K(> dispense placebos...
K(>
K(> -dk
Hmmm... even *without* the ;-) at the end, I didn't think anyone
was going to take the mathematics or statistics of my post seriously.
I only hope that you had the same thing in mind with your post,
otherwise you would need at least TWO ;-)'s at the end to help
anyone understand your calculations above...
--Ron--
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From: ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu (Eli Brandt)
Subject: Re: The battle is joined
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Lines: 13
In article <1993Apr16.181040.9381@qualcomm.com> karn@servo.qualcomm.com (Phil Karn) writes:
>It looks like Dorothy Denning's wrong-headed ideas have gotten to the
>Administration even sooner than we feared.
I'd lay long odds that it was the other way around. Clinton didn't
just pull this plan out of any bodily orifices; the NSA has to have
been working on it for years. While it's possible that Denning (and
other prominent people) just happened to start arguing for such a
system, it seems more likely that there was a suggestion involved.
If this guess is wrong, I apologize.
PGP 2 key by finger or e-mail
Eli ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu
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From: traven@pitt.edu (Neal Traven)
Subject: Re: The 1964 Phillies: deja vu?
Lines: 25
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Robert C Hite (philly@bach.udel.edu) wrote:
: I think most of the problems mainly arose from Manager Gene Mauch's
: ineptitude in managing the pitching staff. Down the stretch, he
: abused Jim Bunning, Chris Short, and Robin Roberts (I think those
: are the three) pitching each on only 2 days rest for quite some
: time. By the time they hit the last 2 weeks of the season,
: obviously none of these guys had an ounce left in their arm. Oh
: well.
Roberts was long gone -- he was probably an Oriole in 1964. Or maybe a
Colt .45. The 3rd starter was Art Mahaffey, the previous year's ace.
Dennis Bennett was the 4th starter.
They were indeed 6.5 up with 12 to go, but they won their final two
games after the horrid 10-loss streak. The final game victory
(Bunning's 19th win, if memory serves) kept the Reds from tying for the
title; they and the Phils were both 1 game behind the Cards, with the
Giants(?) another game back. The Mets couldn't hold an early lead
against the Cards that final Sunday, or there would have been a 3-way
tie. Too bad they couldn't have saved some of the 15 or so runs they
scored on Saturday when they crushed St. Louis.
--
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neal traven+@pitt.edu You're only young once, but you can be
traven@vms.cis.pitt.edu immature forever. -- Larry Andersen
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From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc)
Subject: Re: Instead of a Saturn SC2, What???
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
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srihari@cirrus.com (Srihari Shoroff) writes:
>In <Ifn=sPO00iV18_A8NZ@andrew.cmu.edu> jr4q+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jason M. Roth) writes:
>>>R&T had an article on cars of the SC1 ilk and they liked the Civic Ex,
>>>the Escort GT and the MX-3 best of all, and the SC1 was way down the
>>>list except for braking.
>>I just looked at that article; first of all, this summary is inaccurate;
>>of 10 cars, the SC1 was 5th, right behind these mentioned and the Suzuki
>>Swift (!). As has been pointed out, it was a semi-silly comparison; the
>>Saturn was at least $500 cheaper than the MX-3 and Escort (admittedly
>>negligible, but an issue), and $1500 (!)less than the Honda. The stated
>>goal was a base under $12k; the Honda was $500 over, while the SC2 at
>>the same price was excluded. In other words, they let the best Honda
>>play, but not the best Saturn. Note that the Saturn did beat the $13k
>I dont know about the car comparison but as far as the price goes rest
>assured that the street prices for the MX-3 and Escort and (maybe) even
>the Honda will be lesser than that of the Saturn you're talking about.
>All price comparisons I've seen are based on MSRP and of course the
>saturn dealer will sell the car for sticker price whereas the others
>will do it way below sticker.
>Srihari
I'd hate to rehash an old thread, but... Would someone kindly quote
a prices that a dealer quotes for a Civic EX, and Escort GT. Also, I'm a
assuming that the MX-3 was the V-6, so go ahead and look that up, too. If
someone has one of those yearly buyers' guides that give a low quote price,
please quote them, too. Then find the the SC1 base price.
Thanks.
--
Chintan Amin <The University of Illinois UrbanaChampaign> mail: llama@uiuc.edu
******************************Neil Peart, (c)1981*****************************
*"Quick to judge, Quick to Anger, Slow to understand, Ignorance and Prejudice*
*And********Fear********Walk********************Hand*********in*********Hand"*
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From: ide!twelker@uunet.uu.net (Steve Twelker)
Subject: Re: The arrogance of Christians
Organization: Interactive Development Environmenmts, SF
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> Why do we follow God so blindly? Have you ever asked a
>physically blind person why he or she follows a seeing eye dog?
>The answer is quite simple--the dog can see, and the blind person
>cannot.
...
> Of course, you may ask, if I cannot trust my own senses,
>how do I know whether what I see and hear about God is truth or
>a lie. That is why we need faith to be saved. We must force
>ourselves to believe that God knows the truth, and loves us
>enough to share it with us, even when it defies what we think
>we know. Why would He have created us if He did not love us
>enough to help us through this world?
Seems to me if you learned to differentiate between illusion and
reality on your own you wouldn't need to rely on doctrines that
need to be updated. My experience of Christianity (25+ years) is
that most Christians seek answers from clergymen who have little
or no direct experience of spiritual matters, and that most of
these questions can be answered by simple introspection. Most
people suspect that they cannot trust their senses, but few take
the next step to figure out that they can trust themselves. Not to
get too esoteric, but it seems that most religions, Christianity
included, are founded by particularly intuitive people who understand
this.
(stuff deleted)
> As for you, no one can "convert" you. You must
>choose to follow God of your own will, if you are ever to
>follow Him. All we as Christians wish to do is share with
>you the love we have received from God. If you reject that,
>we have to accept your decision, although we always keep
>the offer open to you. If you really want to find out
>why we believe what we believe, I can only suggest you try
>praying for faith, reading the Bible, and asking Christians
>about their experiences personally....
And what if the original poster, Pixie, is never "converted?"
Does it make sense that she (or I, or the majority of humanity
for that matter) would go to hell for eternity, as many
Christians believe? It makes more sense to me that rather
than be converted to a centuries-old doctrine that holds no
life for her, that she simply continue to decide for herself
what is best.
--------------------------------------------
[You may be right about Christians relying on clergy, but I have some
reason to hope you're not. Protestants emphasize conversion,
experience of the Holy Spirit, and use of the Bible. This is intended
to make sure that Christians have religious experience of their own,
and that they have some basis on which to judge claims of clergy and
other Christians. I can't speak for Catholics and Orthodox, but I
believe they also attempt to avoid having members who simply repeat
what they are told. I admit that this isn't always successful -- we
certainly see young people join our church because at that age parents
expect it. But most of our members do seem quite able and willing to
make judgements for themselves, and have a commitment that comes out
of their own experience. Unfortunately, it's the nature of Usenet
that doctrinal disagreements get emphasized, so it looks like we spend
most of our time dealing with doctrine. That's certainly not my
experience of the way Christians really live. --clh]
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From: cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson)
Subject: DOT Tire date codes
Nntp-Posting-Host: mbunix.mitre.org
Organization: The MITRE Corp., Bedford, Ma.
Distribution: usa
Lines: 25
I just mailed this:
I noticed a 2-3in long cut in the tread of the rear tire on my VFR.
The cut is only about as deep as the tread block, and looks like it
only scratched the rubber at the base, but the weird thing is, it's
way over on the edge where I haven't scuffed the tire in yet.
My questions are:
1. How dangerous is this, should I replace the tire right away?
and
2. If I should, since the cut is on the unscuffed portion and the
tire only has about 330 mi on it, what do you think my chances of
getting it replaced under warranty are?
To the nedod mailing list, and Jack Tavares suggested I check out
how old the tire is as one tactic for getting it replaced. Does
anyone have the file on how to read the date codes handy?
Thanks,
Dean
--
| Dean Cookson / dcookson@mitre.org / 617 271-2714 | DoD #207 AMA #573534 |
| The MITRE Corp. Burlington Rd., Bedford, Ma. 01730 | KotNML / KotB |
| "The road is my shepherd and I shall not stop" | '92 VFR750F |
| -Sam Eliott, Road Hogs MTV 1993 | '88 Bianchi Limited |
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From: mvp@netcom.com (Mike Van Pelt)
Subject: Re: The U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum: A Costly and Dangerous Mistake
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
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In article <1r64pb$nkk@genesis.MCS.COM> arf@genesis.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling) writes:
>Neither the Times nor the trained seals who have responded thus far seem to
>recognize the statement that these "private funds" were all tax exmpt. In
>otherwords, American taxpayers put up at least 30% of the money.
Dammit, how did ArfArf's latest excretion escape my kill file?
Oh, he changed sites. Again. *sigh* OK, I assume no other person
on this planet will ever use the login name of arf.
/arf@/aK:j
--
Mike Van Pelt mvp@netcom.com
"... Local prohibitions cannot block advances in military and commercial
technology.... Democratic movements for local restraint can only restrain
the world's democracies, not the world as a whole." -- K. Eric Drexler
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From: dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM (Dave Bernard)
Subject: Re: Ax the ATF
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Lines: 14
Distribution: world
Reply-To: dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: clesun.central.sun.com
>True, Congress has said that possesion of an unlicensed automatic
>weapon is a violation of the law. Congress did not, however, say
>that such possesion was a capital offense or a transgression worth
>getting four good government agents killed and 16 others wounded.
Even if it were a capital offense, the warrant was not even an arrest warrant,
but a search warrant. In other words, there was no evidence of illegal
arms, just enough of a suggestion to get a judge to sign a license to
search for illegal evidence.
Question: As in the Rodney King case, will the US DOJ institute
criminal civil rights proceedings against the BATF? Or at least an
investigation? OK, sorry I asked.
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From: jason@ab20.larc.nasa.gov (Jason Austin)
Subject: Re: Barbecued foods and health risk
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA
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Reply-To: Jason C. Austin <j.c.austin@larc.nasa.gov>
NNTP-Posting-Host: ab20.larc.nasa.gov
In-reply-to: rsilver@world.std.com's message of Sat, 17 Apr 1993 15:02:18 GMT
In article <C5Mv3v.2o5@world.std.com> rsilver@world.std.com (Richard Silver) writes:
->
-> Some recent postings remind me that I had read about risks
-> associated with the barbecuing of foods, namely that carcinogens
-> are generated. Is this a valid concern? If so, is it a function
-> of the smoke or the elevated temperatures? Is it a function of
-> the cooking elements, wood or charcoal vs. lava rocks? I wish
-> to know more. Thanks.
I've read mixed opinions on this. Singed meat can contain
carcinogens, but unless you eat barbecued meat every meal, you're
probably not at much risk. I think I will live life on the edge and
grill my food.
I've also read that using petroleum based charcoal starter can
put some unwanted toxins in your food, or at least unwanted odor.
I've been using egg carton cups dipped in paraffin for fire starters,
and it actually lights faster and easier than lighter fluid. Several
people have told me that they have excellent results with a chimney,
basically a steel cylinder with wholes punched in the side. I've been
meaning to get one of these, but one hasn't presented itself while
I've been out shopping. You can make one from a coffee can, but I buy
my coffee as whole beans in a bag, so I haven't had a big enough can
laying around.
--
Jason C. Austin
j.c.austin@larc.nasa.gov
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From: Robert Angelo Pleshar <rp16+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Wirtz is a weenie
Organization: University Libraries - E&S Library, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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NNTP-Posting-Host: po5.andrew.cmu.edu
So what's the deal with Bill Wirtz? Apparently, the Blackhawks - St.
Louis game was a standing room only sell out as usual, but the Hawks
reported the attendace as 16,199. Gee, I wonder if Wirtz is planning to
use this as justification for continuing to keep home games off of TV?
What a schmuck.
In other TV news, the Penguins announced yesterday that they will have 3
fewer broadcast TV games, and will have 22(!) games on some sort of
subscription / pay-per-view system. Yuck.
Ralph
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From: talluri@osage.csc.ti.com (Raj Talluri)
Subject: Point of intersection of n lines
Keywords: robust statistics
Nntp-Posting-Host: osage
Organization: Texas Instruments
Lines: 21
Hi,
Can anybody suggest robust algorithms/code for computing the point of intersection
on n, 2-d lines in a plane. The data has outliers and hence a simple least squares
technique does not seem to provide satifactory results.
Please respond by e-mail and I will post the summary to the newsgroups
if there is sufficient interest.
Thanks,
Raj Talluri
Member Technical Staff
Image Understanding Branch
Texas Instruments
Central Research Labs
Dallas, Texas 75248
talluri@csc.ti.com
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From: jrbeach@iastate.edu (Jeffry R Beach)
Subject: Re: Good Neighbor Political Hypocrisy Test
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Lines: 56
In article <1993Apr15.165139.6240@gordian.com> mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) writes:
>In article <C5IJ7H.L95@news.iastate.edu>, jrbeach@iastate.edu (Jeffry R Beach) writes:
>> In article <1993Apr15.021021.7538@gordian.com> mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) writes:
>> >In article <C5HuH1.241@news.iastate.edu>, jrbeach@iastate.edu (Jeffry R Beach) writes:
>> I really don't want to waste time in
>> here to do battle about the legalization of drugs. If you really want to, we
>> can get into it and prove just how idiotic that idea is!
>
> Read: I do not know what the fuck I'm talking about, and am
>not eager to make a fool of myself.
Oh, you foolish person. I do know what the fuck I'm talking about
and will gladly demonstrate for such ignorants as yourself if you
wish.
The legalization of drugs will provide few if any of the benefits
so highly taunted by its proponents: safer, cheaper drugs along
with revenues from taxes on those drugs; reduced crime and reduced
organized crime specifically; etc, etc
If you would like to prove how clueless you are, we can get into
why - again a lot of wasted posts that I don't think this group
was intended for and something easily solved by you doing a little
research.
> From a pragmatic standpoint, there certainly is some justification
>if it is a vice people will commit anyway. Shall we criminalize
>alcohol again? If the re-legalization for alcohol were done from
Making you look bad is too damn easy. The vast social and historical
differences between alcohol and other drugs make this comparison
worthless.
>Vice statutes serve
>only to make it more expensive for the rich and more dangerous
>for the poor, as Tim so eloquently put it. People will, however,
And so it shall be if the government (by the people) decides that
these vices are detrimental to the society as a whole.
> And why, pray tell, is AIDS "victim" in snear quotes? Are you of
>the revisionist sort that thinks there is no such thing as the AIDS
>plauge? Or do they just deserve it?
The overwhelmingly vast majority (get the point)
of AIDS cases are contracted thru behavioral CHOICES. Nuff said.
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From: luriem@alleg.edu(Michael Lurie) The Liberalizer
Subject: Re: THE ALL TIME GREATS TEAM
Organization: Allegheny College
Lines: 33
In article <1993Apr14.203122.12367@iscsvax.uni.edu>
reed5575@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>
>
Dave Winfield's name does not go
> in the same sentence. As Aaron, Robinson, and Ott.
In terms of PEAK, and I repeat PEAK years, Winfield has Done it
all. He has batted in the 340's for a season, drove in 100 and more runs
many times in a row before his injury. Consistently hit at or near 300
while knocking in 35 home runs. Have you even LOOKED at Dave Winfield's
slugging percentage for three or 4 of his best seasons. I still think that
dave was one of the BETTER of all time, but obviously not the best. He was
one of the best athletes evr to play baseball. He hit line drives that hit
the scoreboard in left-center field, a feat np one has done in the new
Stadium. Heck, only 2 or 3 other people have hit it over that green fence
since it has been remodeled. He could field, had a bullet arm, and his
hitting was comparable in many seasons to gary sheffields, and barry bonds
of last season. He is older now, and slowing down, takes more of an
uppercut to lift the ball out of the park, but he will always be my hero,
and my idol. There is nothing that could make me happier than George
inviting Dave back to the Bronx to play his last year of ball with the
Yankees. Of course, he will most likely refuse the offer, but who knows?
For 3 million dollars, he'll play. Heck they are giving gallego 2.5
million this year, having Dave as their DH, while leaving him time to play
the field when Tartabull is injured, or Nokes and mass are traded, should
give the Yanks the inspiration and leadership that will sweep in a new age
of Yankee domination.
Michael Lurie
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From: jlu@cs.umr.edu (Eric Jui-Lin Lu)
Subject: info wanted: X security holes
Nntp-Posting-Host: next2.cs.umr.edu
Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla
Lines: 22
Hi *,
Has anyone out there compile a list of X security holes?? If
yes, will you please send me a copy of this?? If this is a
wrong group, please point me to a right one. Thanks!!
BTW, the list doesn't have to contain the info "How to use
the holes?". Instead, I need the info of how to detect
the holes, how to seal the holes, and how to monitor the
activities if possible.
Any info is welcomed. Thanks!!
--Eric
--
***************************************--- Grad. student ---*
* Obviousness is always the enemy of * \ Jui-Lin Lu (Eric) / *
* correctness. -- Bertrand Russell * / jlu@cs.umr.edu \ *
***************************************--- Univ. of Missouri-Rolla ---*
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From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Subject: Re: Too Many Europeans in NHL
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Lines: 17
In article <1993Apr6.141557.8864@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>Anyways, crawl back into the hole you crawled out of...the NBA doesn't
>care where they get basketball players from, major league baseball
>doesn't give a damn where they get baseball players from (except Cuba,
>that is).
MLB is perfectly willing to take players from Cuba. They just have to
defect first.
Sort of like the situation used to be with Russian/Czech/etc hockey
players, until the political situation in those countries changed.
Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com
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From: gumby@tweedledumb.cygnus.com (D V Henkel-Wallace)
Subject: Screw the people, crypto is for hard-core hackers & spooks only
Organization: Cygnus Support, Cambridge, MA USA
Lines: 11
NNTP-Posting-Host: tweedledumb.cygnus.com
In-reply-to: jhart@agora.rain.com's message of 19 Apr 93 19:57:21 GMT
Date: 19 Apr 93 19:57:21 GMT
From: jhart@agora.rain.com (Jim Hart)
"Simply?" "Everyone" should have this attitude? The only people
who can have this attitude are the most hard-core
computer hackers, who never make phone calls away from their
computer
In 10 yeards everybody will be talkig into his or her PDA anyway.
That should solve most of the problem.
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From: buenneke@monty.rand.org (Richard Buenneke)
Subject: DC-X Rollout Report
X-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest
Organization: [via International Space University]
Original-Sender: isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU
Distribution: sci
Lines: 124
McDonnell Douglas rolls out DC-X
HUNTINGTON BEACH, Calif. -- On a picture-perfect Southern
California day, McDonnell Douglas rolled out its DC-X rocket ship last
Saturday. The company hopes this single-stage rocket technology
demonstrator will be the first step towards a single-stage-to-orbit (SSTO)
rocket ship.
The white conical vehicle was scheduled to go to the White Sands
Missile Range in New Mexico this week. Flight tests will start in
mid-June.
Although there wasn't a cloud in the noonday sky, the forecast for
SSTO research remains cloudy. The SDI Organization -- which paid $60
million for the DC-X -- can't itself afford to fund full development of a
follow-on vehicle. To get the necessary hundreds of millions required for
a sub-orbital DC-XA, SDIO is passing a tin cup among its sister government
agencies.
SDIO originally funded SSTO research as a way to cut the costs for
orbital deployments of space-based sensors and weapns. However, recent
changes in SDI's political marching orders and budget cuts have made SSTO
less of a priority. Today, the agency is more interested in using DC-X as
a step towards a low-cost, reusable sounding rocket.
SDIO has already done 50 briefings to other government agencies,
said Col. Simon "Pete" Worden, SDIO's deputy for technology. But Worden
declined to say how much the agencies would have to pony up for the
program. "I didn't make colonel by telling my contractors how much money I
have available to spend," he quipped at a press conference at McDonnell
Douglas Astronautics headquarters.
While SDIO has lowered its sights on the program's orbital
objective, agency officials hail the DC-X as an example of the "better,
faster, cheaper" approach to hardware development. The agency believes
this philosophy can produce breakthroughs that "leapfrog" ahead of
evolutionary technology developments.
Worden said the DC-X illustrates how a "build a little, test a
little" approach can produce results on time and within budget. He said
the program -- which went from concept to hardware in around 18 months --
showed how today's engineers could move beyond the "miracles of our
parents' time."
"The key is management," Worden said. "SDIO had a very light hand
on this project. We had only one overworked major, Jess Sponable."
Although the next phase may involve more agencies, Worden said
lean management and a sense of government-industry partnership will be
crucial. "It's essential we do not end up with a large management
structure where the price goes up exponentially."
SDIO's approach also won praise from two California members of the
House Science, Space and Technology Committee. "This is the direction
we're going to have to go," said Rep. George Brown, the committee's
Democratic chairman. "Programs that stretch aout 10 to 15 years aren't
sustainable....NASA hasn't learned it yet. SDIO has."
Rep. Dana Rohrbacher, Brown's Republican colleague, went further.
Joking that "a shrimp is a fish designed by a NASA design team,"
Rohrbacher doubted that the program ever would have been completed if it
were left to the civil space agency.
Rohrbacher, whose Orange County district includes McDonnell
Douglas, also criticized NASA-Air Force work on conventional, multi-staged
rockets as placing new casings around old missile technology. "Let's not
build fancy ammunition with capsules on top. Let's build a spaceship!"
Although Rohrbacher praised SDIO's sponsorship, he said the
private sector needs to take the lead in developing SSTO technology.
McDonnell Douglas, which faces very uncertain prospects with its
C-17 transport and Space Station Freedom programs, were more cautious
about a large private secotro commitment. "On very large ventures,
companies put in seed money," said Charles Ordahl, McDonnell Douglas'
senior vice president for space systems. "You need strong government
investments."
While the government and industry continue to differ on funding
for the DC-XA, they agree on continuing an incremental approach to
development. Citing corporate history, they liken the process to Douglas
Aircraft's DC aircraft. Just as two earlier aircraft paved the way for
the DC-3 transport, a gradual evolution in single-stage rocketry could
eventually lead to an orbital Delta Clipper (DC-1).
Flight tests this summer at White Sands will "expand the envelope"
of performance, with successive tests increasing speed and altitude. The
first tests will reach 600 feet and demonstrate hovering, verticle
take-off and landing. The second series will send the unmanned DC-X up to
5,000 feet. The third and final series will take the craft up to 20,000
feet.
Maneuvers will become more complex on third phase. The final
tests will include a "pitch-over" manever that rotates the vehicle back
into a bottom-down configuration for a soft, four-legged landing.
The flight test series will be supervised by Charles "Pete"
Conrad, who performed similar maneuvers on the Apollo 12 moon landing.
Now a McDonnell Douglas vice president, Conrad paised the vehicles
aircraft-like approach to operations. Features include automated
check-out and access panels for easy maintainance.
If the program moves to the next stage, engine technology will
become a key consideration. This engine would have more thrust than the
Pratt & Whitney RL10A-5 engines used on the DC-X. Each motor uses liquid
hydrogen and liquid oxygen propellants to generate up to 14,760 pounds of
thrust
Based on the engine used in Centaur upper stages, the A-5 model
has a thrust champer designed for sea level operation and three-to-on
throttling capability. It also is designed for repeat firings and rapid
turnaround.
Worden said future single-stage rockets could employ
tri-propellant engine technology developed in the former Soviet Union.
The resulting engines could burn a dense hydrocarbon fuel at takeoff and
then switch to liquid hydrogen at higher altitudes.
The mechanism for the teaming may already be in place. Pratt has
a technology agreement with NPO Energomash, the design bureau responsible
for the tri-propellant and Energia cryogenic engines.
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From: elliott@optilink.COM (Paul Elliott)
Subject: Re: Analog switches/Balanced Demodulators
Distribution: na
Organization: DSC/Optilink Access Products
Lines: 53
In article <msf.734832494@skaro> msf@skaro.as.arizona.edu (Michael Fulbright) writes:
>I am trying to build a synchronous demodulator and I've hit a snag.
>In my application I want to be able to change the gain of an
>op amp amplifier from 1 to -1, controlable via a digital input.
>The most obvious way I've come up with is to use analog switches
>to adjust the gain of the op amp. The only analog switch I have
>experience with it the 4066. Unfortunately I want to switch an
>AC signal which goes from about -5V to 5V, and the 4066 is only
>for positive signals.
>[...]
> I have a carrier signal which varies between 0V and +5V. I want
>to demodulate an input signal by feeding the input signal thru a
>amp with a gain of 1 when the carrier is at +5V, and thru a amp
>with a gain of -1 when the carrier is 0V. The output is then
>low pass filtered. I believe this is called lock in detection as well
>as synchronous demodulation.
Look at the 4053. This is a triple 2-to-1 transmission-gate analog
multiplexer, with positive and negative power supplies (can be run
from a single-ended supply as well). With dual supplies, the logic
inputs still range from ground (0 Volts) to VDD.
This is a neat (well, I think so) design for a switchable-polarity
amplifier:
+-----/\/\/\-------+
| |
| /--------\ |
INPUT -+-/\/\/\--+----| - | |
| | opamp |----+------- OUTPUT
+-/\/\/\--+----| + |
| \--------/
|
CONTROL ---------X (analog switch)
|
|
---
GND
All resistors are equal-value. When the analog switch is closed,
the amp is inverting-gain-of-one. With the switch open, it is
non-inverting-gain-of-one. You can clean up the circuit to trim
out input offset current if this hurts the balance (this would show
up as carrier feed-through).
For high frequencies, the slew-rate of the opamp might cause problems,
especially if it isn't symmetrical (and it usually isn't).
--
-------- Paul Elliott - DSC Optilink - Petaluma, CA USA ----------
{uunet,pyramid,tekbspa}!optilink!elliott -or- elliott@optilink.com
"I used to think I was indecisive, but now I'm not so sure."
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From: cervi@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Mark Cervi)
Subject: Re: ++BIKE SOLD OVER NET 600 MILES AWAY!++
Organization: NSWC, Carderock Division, Annapolis, MD, USA
Lines: 15
In article <6130331@hplsla.hp.com> kens@hplsla.hp.com (Ken Snyder) writes:
>
>> Any other bikes sold long distances out there...I'd love to hear about
>it!
I bought my Moto Guzzi from a Univ of Va grad student in Charlottesville
last spring.
Mark Cervi, cervi@oasys.dt.navy.mil, (w) 410-267-2147
DoD #0603 MGNOC #12998 '87 Moto Guzzi SP-II
"What kinda bikes that?" A Moto Guzzi. "What's that?" Its Italian.
--
Mark Cervi, CARDEROCKDIV, NSWC Code 852, Annapolis, MD 21402
cervi@oasys.dt.navy.mil, (w) 410-267-2147
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From: rosa@ghost.dsi.unimi.it (massimo rossi)
Subject: 3d studio works changes!!!!
Organization: Computer Science Dep. - Milan University
Lines: 28
hi guys
like all people in this group i'm a fans of fractal and render sw
my favourite are fractint pov & 3dstudio 2.0
now listen my ideas
i'have just starting now to be able to use 3dstudio quite well
so i'm simulating a full animation of a f1 grand prix
unfortanatly just some lap(10?)
i' m very interested about all kind of .prj .3ds and so on
concerning about cars or parts of its (motors wheel ...)
(dxf are good enough)
does anyone have object to give me to complete my hard animation
anyway any exchanges about object material project will
be VERY APRECIATE!!!!!
is there a ftp site where I can find its?
i' m looking for .pov files too
(i 'm interested about cpu time comparision rendering images on
pov & 3dstusio)
thank to all
email me at rosa@ghost.sm.dsi.unimi.it
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From: bodom@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Brian Odom)
Subject: Re: New Uniforms
Article-I.D.: usenet.C51vwC.Lru
Organization: Indiana University
Lines: 37
Nntp-Posting-Host: silver.ucs.indiana.edu
In <1993Apr5.224631.636@Virginia.EDU> tek2q@Virginia.EDU ("Todd Karlin") writes:
> Usually one or two teams changes their logo or a minor
>uniform change per season, but the past few seasons have been
>incredible.
> Any thoughts on the new (old) Reds uniforms. I
>remember seeing a Pete Rose rookie card, and unless I miss my
>guess he was wearing the exact same duds.
> The Mets (HOW ABOUT DOC'S PERFORMANCE TODAY?!!!!!) have
>reinserted the Mets patch on the shoulder, and changed the Mets
>insgnia on the front of the jersey. To my knowledge it is the
>first time that has been changed since 1962, and it reminds me
>a little of the Dodger logo.
As far as I know, Toronto, Pittsburgh, and New York (NL) change their
uniforms every year. Every other year (e.g., New York), it will say Mets
in cursive, New York in cursive, or New York in all caps. Minor changes,
but they do change them often. Last year, I think they had New York in all
caps. Did Toronto have Blue Jays or Toronto last year? What about
Pittsburgh?
> Many teams have opted for a return to a previous style
>of uniform, or at least uniforms that look more traditional.
>(Phillies, Reds, Expos, White Sox, Padres, etc.) and the once
>bright colors have been altered to gray. The trend has also
>seen the newer baseball fields resembling the parks of the
>early years, as opposed to the cookie-cutter saucer stadiums
>construcrted throughout the sixties.
I hate the gray. They should opt for more color (like the White Sox).
I hate white team versus gray team. Spring training uniforms look much
better.
> With salaries now reaching unbelievable highs, no one
>in the comissioner's office, and inter-league play on the
>horizon, it's nice to see that baseball at least looks like it
>was meant to be.
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From: harmons@.WV.TEK.COM (Harmon Sommer)
Subject: Re: BMW MOA members read this!
Lines: 22
Sender:
Reply-To: harmons@gyro.WV.TEK.COM (Harmon Sommer)
Distribution:
Organization: /usr/ens/etc/organization
Keywords:
>>: As a new BMW owner I was thinking about signing up for the MOA, but
>>: right now it is beginning to look suspiciously like throwing money
>>: down a rathole.
>>let my current membership lapse when it's
>>up for renewal.
>In my case that's not for another 3+ years, so I'd appreciate any
>hints on what will keep the organization in business that long. (And
>preferably longer, of course, and worth being part of.)
Become an activist: campaign for an MC insurance program; for universal
driver/rider training before licensing. Pick a topic dear to your heart
and get the organization to act on it. Barnacles don't move ships.
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From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares)
Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!!
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.
Lines: 22
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.com
Keywords: Nata thing !!
In article <1993Apr20.143255.12711@mcs.kent.edu>, mhamilto@Nimitz.mcs.kent.edu (The Lawnmowerman) writes:
> > THIS IS GENOCIDAL MASS-SLAUGHTER OF INNOCENT PEOPLE, INCLUDING CHILDREN!
> Is this guy serious????
> If he would ever really pay attention to the news (oops I forgot that the media
> for the most part loves to jump right on top of a story before all the facts
> are known, as well as to manipulate what we see and thus what we believe).
> Besides, a majority of
> these children were children that he was supposed to have been the father of,
> this then makes them bastard children to a sacraligious zeloit (sp).
Oh, then, I guess that shooting THOSE kind of babies is all right.
You sick bastard.
--
cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company,
OR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors' Packet...
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From: marc@mit.edu (Marc Horowitz N1NZU)
Subject: Re: The source of that announcement
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Lines: 19
NNTP-Posting-Host: oliver.mit.edu
In-reply-to: tcmay@netcom.com's message of Sun, 18 Apr 1993 08:17:28 GMT
In article <tcmayC5o715.Mrs@netcom.com> tcmay@netcom.com (Timothy C. May) writes:
I know that at least one person on that list says the first he heard
of Clipper was in the Friday morning newspaper! And another has
already fired off a letter of protest to NIST.
My point? I suspect this list, interesting as it is for various
reasons, does not represent the cabal that put this proposal together.
Some of them, yes. Others, no.
I received mail from Mitch Kapor saying that he did not ask to be on
the list, and does not know why he was added. I'm sure the same
applies to others on the list. So, I guess my initial theory was
right, that the clipper list was just someone's idea of a bad joke. I
guess I should be happy it wasn't a conspiracy.
Marc
--
Marc Horowitz N1NZU <marc@mit.edu> 617-253-7788
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From: collins@well.sf.ca.us (Steve Collins)
Subject: Re: Orbital RepairStation
Nntp-Posting-Host: well.sf.ca.us
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Lines: 29
The difficulties of a high Isp OTV include:
Long transfer times (radiation damage from VanAllen belts for both
the spacecraft and OTV
Arcjets or Xenon thrusters require huge amounts of power so you have
to have either nuclear power source (messy, dangerous and source of
radiation damage) or BIG solar arrays (sensitive to radiation, or heavy)
that make attitude control and docking a big pain.
If you go solar, you have to replace the arrays every trip, with
current technology. Nuclear power sources are strongly restricted
by international treaty.
Refueling (even for very high Isp like xenon) is still required and]
turn out to be a pain.
You either have to develop autonomous rendezvous or long range teleoperation
to do docking or ( and refueling) .
You still can't do much plane change because the deltaV required is so high!
The Air Force continues to look at doing things this way though. I suppose
they are biding their time till the technology becomes available and
the problems get solved. Not impossible in principle, but hard to
do and marginally cheaper than one shot rockets, at least today.
Just a few random thoughts on high Isp OTV's. I designed one once...
Steve Collins
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From: webb@itu1 (90-29265 Webber AH)
Subject: Re: Adcom cheap products?
Organization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Lines: 52
Aaron Lung (alung@megatest.com) wrote:
: >I was also sceptical about the amps being built in the far-east
: > or where-ever. But if you look in the amp and see what components
: > they use and how it was designed, you can easily see why the
: > amplifiers sound so brilliant.
: Good point...also, I wouldn't be surprised that the components
: they use off-shore are of inferior quality. As long as it was
: properly designed and robust, premium components are used, it
: shouldn't matter where it is assembled.
Definately, I agree wholeheartedly. If they can build the amp where
the labour is not so expensive, they can afford to put decent
components in and go to more effort to improve the design of the
amplifier - as Adcom has done.
: >I cannot see why people say the amplifier won't last - not with
: > those quality components inside. Sure the amp runs very fairly
: > hot - but that's how you get an amp to sound incredibly good.
: An amp that runs hot has no bearing on how it's gonna sound.
: The amp you have probably is running Class-A the whole day.
: Actually, I'd be wary of excessively hot amps, 'cauz even though
: the components inside may be rated to run that way, excessive
: heat will dramatically shorten the life of *any* electronic component
: regardless of quality. In fact, an amp that does run hot to the touch is
: because either the engineer or manufacturer of that amp wanted
: to skimp on heatsinking or cooling to save costs! Hmmmmm....
Sure, I didn't mean to imply that because of the heat generated, the
amp sounds good. My Adcom GFP 535II runs fairly warm - not hot to
the touch - but enough to satisfy me that the amp is running nicely.
I don't like it when an amp runs dead-cold. It makes one think that
the amp is doing nothing :)
The heatsinks that Adcom uses in their amps are certainly far for
skimpy - they're massive things with heating vents both below
and above. More than enough to carry away excessive heat.
My opinions once again.
--
***********************************************************************
** Alan Webber **
** webb@itu1.sun.ac.za **
** webb@itu2.sun.ac.za **
** **
** The path you tread is narrow and the drop is sheer and very high **
** The ravens all are watching from a vantage point near by **
** Apprehension creeping like a choo-train up your spine **
** Will the tightrope reach the end; will the final couplet rhyme **
***********************************************************************
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From: rdi@cci632.cci.com (Rick Inzero)
Subject: Drafting Machine for sale
Organization: [Computer Consoles, Inc., Rochester, NY
Distribution: usa
Lines: 17
For sale: Precision drafting machine, Bruning OGP-0180. Solid
older model with spring-loaded counter balance; clamps on table. Without
scales. For right handed person. $60/make offer, includes UPS/parcel post
postage.
I'm guessing that it's from the 1940s or 1950s, a period well known for
excellent drafting machine construction! :-)
It's built with real metal parts, not cheap modern plastic, and it's painted
the typical office grey popular in that period. It's smooth working, and
each of the two "arms" on it measures roughly 24". It has a dual clamp to
enable you to clamp it on the edge or corner of a table.
---
Rick Inzero rochester!cci632!rdi
Northern Telecom, LTD uunet!ccicpg!cci632!rdi
Rochester, NY rdi@cci.com
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From: eeerik@cc.newcastle.edu.au
Subject: Color palette for 256 color VGA rainbow
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Lines: 11
Does anybody out there have or know how to calculate the RGB values
required to set the 256 color VGA palette so that the colors from
0..255 will give 256 colors of the rainbow ie red, orange,
yellow, etc.
Any help would be appreciated. Please email to eeerik@cc.newcastle.edu.au
Erik de Castro Lopo,
Dept. Electrical & Computer Eng.,
Uni. of Newcastle,
Australia.
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From: jenk@microsoft.com (Jen Kilmer)
Subject: Re: sex education
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Lines: 27
In article <Apr.7.23.20.08.1993.14209@athos.rutgers.edu> mprc@troi.cc.rochester.edu (M. Price) writes:
>In <Apr.5.23.31.32.1993.23904@athos.rutgers.edu> jenk@microsoft.com (Jen Kilmer) writes:
>
>> Method Expected Actual
>> ------ Failure Rate Failure Rate
>> Abstinence 0% 0%
>
>
> These figures don't seem to take account of rape. Or is a woman who
>is raped considered not to have been abstaining?
I no longer have the textbook, but abstinence was defined as something
like "no contact between the penis and the vagina, vulva, or area
immediately surrounding the vulva, and no transfer of semen to the
vagina, vulva, or area surrounding the vulva".
That is, abstinence wasn't discussed as "sex outside of marriage is
morally wrong" but as keep the sperm away from the ovum and conception
is impossible. The moral question I recall the teacher asking was,
"is it okay to create a child if you aren't able to be a good parent
yet?"
-jen
--
#include <stdisclaimer> // jenk@microsoft.com // msdos testing
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From: etxmesa@eos.ericsson.se (Michael Salmon)
Subject: Re: Help building X11R5 with gcc
Keywords: X11R5, gcc
Nntp-Posting-Host: eos6c02.ericsson.se
Reply-To: etxmesa@eos.ericsson.se (Michael Salmon)
Organization: Ericsson Telecom AB
Lines: 23
In article <1993Apr6.024257.8480@etrog.se.citri.edu.au>
tim@kimba.catt.citri.edu.au (Tim Liddelow) writes:
|> Can people please send me any hints on building X11R5 with gcc 2.3.3 ? Is
|> there any pitfalls to be avoided ? Any hints ? I would appreciate hearing other
|> peoples' stories on this.
I have been building X11 with gcc since 2.1 and the only time I had
trouble was when the position independant code option broke (so I
couldn't use gcc to build Sun shared libraries). The important thing to
do is to follow the tips given in the gcc release. Gcc generates code
that requires libgcc2 and you should take that into account when
deciding which compiler to use for the libraries.
--
Michael Salmon
#include <standard.disclaimer>
#include <witty.saying>
#include <fancy.pseudo.graphics>
Ericsson Telecom AB
Stockholm
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From: ado@quince.bbn.com (Buz Owen)
Subject: Performa 450 internal modem?
Lines: 10
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: quince.bbn.com
I hear that the Performa 450 is really an LCIII with an internal modem. Can
the modem part be obtained and installed in an LCIII? It would be nice if it
were actually a powerbook internal modem, but that might be too much to hope
for.
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From: nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David Nye)
Subject: Re: Krillean Photography
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire
Lines: 21
[reply to todamhyp@charles.unlv.edu (Brian M. Huey)]
>I think that's the correct spelling..
Kirilian.
>The picture will show energy patterns or spikes around the object
>photographed, and depending on what type of object it is, the spikes or
>energy patterns will vary. One might extrapolate here and say that this
>proves that every object within the universe (as we know it) has its
>own energy signature.
There turned out to be a very simple, conventional explanation for the
phenomenon. I can't recall the details, but I believe it had to do with
the object between the plates altering the field because of purely
mechanical properties like capacitance. The "aura" was caused by direct
exposure of the film from variations in field strength.
David Nye (nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu). Midelfort Clinic, Eau Claire WI
This is patently absurd; but whoever wishes to become a philosopher
must learn not to be frightened by absurdities. -- Bertrand Russell
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From: callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison)
Subject: Re: Too fast
Nntp-Posting-Host: uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA
Lines: 66
In article <1qqv7k$e5g@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) writes:
>In a previous article, callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) says:
>>In article <1qn4ev$3g2@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) writes:
>>>In a previous article, wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) says:
>>>
>>>> That shows how much you know about anything. The brakes on the
>>>>SHO are very different - 9 inch (or 9.5? I forget) discs all around,
>>>>vented in front. The normal Taurus setup is (smaller) discs front,
>>>>drums rear.
>>>
>>>one i saw had vented rears too...it was on a lot.
>>>of course, the sales man was a fool..."titanium wheels"..yeah, right..
>>>then later told me they were "magnesium"..more believable, but still
>>>crap, since Al is so m uch cheaper, and just as good....
>>>
>>>i tend to agree, tho that this still doesn't take the SHO up to "standard"
>>>for running 130 on a regular basis. The brakes should be bigger, like
>>>11" or so...take a look at the ones on the Corrados.(where they have
>>>braking regulations).
>>
>>Well, let's see...my T-Bird SC has a computer-controlled adjustable
>>suspension, 4-wheel ABS disks (11" vented front, 10" (?) rear), 3-point
^^^^
Rears also vented
>>belts, sturdy passenger compartment, aerodynamics good enough for
>>NASCAR without too much change, 210 hp/310 ft-lb supercharged 3.8l V6,
>>4-wheel independent suspension (plus limited-slip differential), with
>>a top speed in excess of 130mph, and rides on V-rated tires (I have yet
>>to find 225/60-R16s in any other speed rating).
>>
>>Is that "up to standard"? If not, why not?
>
>james, i really hate to do this, but try reading the damn posts!
Then you shouldn't've done it. Try answering the damn question.
I am well aware of the fact that there was no mention of the SC
in there.
>never was a t'bird mentioned. The discussion was about SHO's and
>'stangs not being up to spec. I do not know about t'birds. I
>only know that the specs quoted for the SHO by previous poster sounded
>a little anemic for me to say that it was up to snuff. This does not
>kn any way disencourage* me from wishing to own one, nor does it make it
>a bad car. It merely means that i think Ford could have added that extra
>bit of safety and tossed in larger brakes, as the wheels are plenty large
>enough for them to fit (if memory serves right, which it may very well not)
>and the motor plenty powerful enough to need it.
Well, my point was that the SC and the SHO both have very similar
characteristics (front and rear disks (ABS on the SHO?), high output
V6, 4-wheel independent suspension, very good aerodynamics, 3-point
harness, fat rubber, and 130mph+ top speed). If one of them is
up to standard (and I think the SC is), but the other isn't, then
why is that? No flamage, just curiousity.
James
James P. Callison Microcomputer Coordinator, U of Oklahoma Law Center
Callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu /\ Callison@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu
DISCLAIMER: I'm not an engineer, but I play one at work...
The forecast calls for Thunder...'89 T-Bird SC
"It's a hell of a thing, killing a man. You take away all he has
and all he's ever gonna have."
--Will Munny, "Unforgiven"
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From: manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes)
Subject: Re: Drinking and Riding
Organization: Manes and Associates, NYC
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]
Lines: 17
Norman Hamer (maven@eskimo.com) wrote:
: What is a general rule of thumb for sobriety and cycling? Couple hours after
: you "feel" sober? What? Or should I just work with "If I drink tonight, I
: don't ride until tomorrow"?
It depends on how badly you want to live. The FAA says "eight hours, bottle
to throttle" for pilots but recommends twenty-four hours. The FARs specify
a blood/alcohol level of 0.4 as legally drunk, I think, which is more than
twice as strict as DWI minimums.
BTW, alcohol metabolizes in your blood at a fixed rate -- one beer/hour will
keep your blood/alcohol level barely street-legal. Coffee, hyperventilation
and other bar tricks won't speed it up nor will they fool Mr. Ranger.
--
Stephen Manes manes@magpie.linknet.com
Manes and Associates New York, NY, USA =o&>o
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From: paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein)
Subject: Re: A Point for Helmet Law is a Point for MC B
Nntp-Posting-Host: harley.tti.com
Organization: Black Belt Motorcyclists Association
Lines: 22
In article <5967@prcrs.prc.com> terry@prcrs.prc.com (Terry Cunningham) writes:
+
+I know of no law, either on the books or proposed, that bans motorcycles
+from any place that i want to go to.
Many private places ban bikes. For example, the famous 17 mile
drive at the Monterrey Peninsula. And I have stayed at resorts
that sported a "No motorcycles allowed" sign at the entrance.
And there have been public places. Call the AMA and ask for
Jim Bensberg (sp?) or any one else in their Legislative Office.
They will recound the many public places that they had to bring
to court to reverse their ban on bikes. That includes everything
from public parks to full cities. There are probably a few fights
on their books as we now speak. That is another good reason to
donate to their legislative fund.
____________________________________________________________________________
Death is life's way of telling you you've been fired -- R. Geis
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Paul Blumstein, paulb@harley.tti.com, DoD #36, ABATE, AMA, HOG, doh #2
KD6LAA, MARC, ARRL, Platypus #240, QRP-ARPCI, NASWA, LWCA, RCMA (CALA905)
Transaction Technology, Inc., Santa Monica, CA
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From: beck@irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de (Andre Beck)
Subject: Re: DEC pixmap size
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, TU Dresden, Germany.
Lines: 28
Distribution: world
Reply-To: Andre_Beck@IRS.Inf.TU-Dresden.DE
NNTP-Posting-Host: irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de
In article <1964@igd.fhg.de>, haase@igd.fhg.de (Helmut Haase (Goebel)) writes:
|> I've got a problem concerning the maximum size of X pixmaps in DECwindows.
|>
|> I am using a DECstation 5000/200 running ULTRIX V4.2 (Rev. 96) System #2
|> and UWS V4.2 (Rev. 272) (DECwindows). Our color display has 1280x1024
|> pixels.
|>
|>
|> On other hardware (HP, SGI) I am able to allocate much larger pixmaps.
|>
|> Did anyone have similar problems before or does onyone know how I can
|> configre my system to allow for larger pixmaps?
|>
|> Any suggestins are welcome. Please send mail to " haase@igd.fhg.de ".
|>
DEC does this only for their PX and PXG servers, known as 3D accelerators.
This boards have local offscreen memory which is limited and slow to
handle, thus they set this limit.
--
+-o-+--------------------------------------------------------------+-o-+
| o | \\\- Brain Inside -/// | o |
| o | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ | o |
| o | Andre' Beck (ABPSoft) mehl: Andre_Beck@IRS.Inf.TU-Dresden.de | o |
+-o-+--------------------------------------------------------------+-o-+
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From: shz@mare.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude)
Subject: Re: Riceburner Respect
Organization: Office of 'Tude Licensing
Nntp-Posting-Host: binky
Lines: 8
In article <C5qqxp.IE1@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com>, hartzler@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (Jerry Hartzler - CATS) writes:
> >duck. Squids don't wave, or return waves ever, even to each
> ^^^^^^
> excuse me for being an ignoramus, but what are these.
edu-breaths with more riceburner than brain...
- Roid
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From: sat@eng.tridom.com (Stephen Thomas)
Subject: Re: How can I use the mouse in NON-Windows applications under MS-WINDOWS ?
Nntp-Posting-Host: nut.eng.tridom.com
Reply-To: sat@eng.tridom.com
Organization: AT&T Tridom
Lines: 42
In article 12328@ucsu.Colorado.EDU, gonzaled@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (LGV/MC) writes:
>kasajian@netcom.com (Kenneth Kasajian) writes:
>
>>wnkretz@ikesg1.energietechnik.uni-stuttgart.de (Oliver Kretzschmar) writes:
>
>
>
>>> Hey,
>
>>> could somebody tell me, how it is possible to work with the mouse
>>> in a NON-Windows application, which runs in an window. We use
>>> MS-WINDOWS 3.1 and have CLIPPER applications. Exists there any
>>> routines or something else ? Please mail me your informations.
>
>>> Thanks for your efforts,
>
>>> Oliver
>>>--
>>> NAME : O.Kretzschmar Inst.IKE / University Stuttgart
>>> PHONE: +49 711 685 2130 Pfaffenwaldring 31
>>> FAX : +49 711 685 2010 7000 Stuttgart 80
>>> EMAIL: wnkretz@ikesg1.energietechnik.uni-stuttgart.de
>
>>Very simple. You have to have the MOUSE.COM or MOUSE.SYS loaded in DOS
>>before you run Windows. Note that you don't need to have these files loaded
>>to use the mouse in Windows.
>
>One addition to this... I don't know if it applies to everybody. For my
>(Microsoft 400dpi) mouse to work with windowed DOS apps, I had to use the
>driver that came with Windows (Version 8.20). 8.1 didn't allow me to do
>it for some reason.
>
I could never find the Microsoft mouse driver on my Windows 3.1 installation
disks, but DOS 6.0 also has version 8.20 of MOUSE.COM.
---
Stephen Thomas AT&T Tridom (404-514-3522)
email: sat@eng.tridom.com, attmail!tridom!sat
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From: bon@lte.e-technik.uni-erlangen.de (Uwe Bonnes)
Subject: Re: Sunrise/ sunset times
Organization: LTE, University of Erlangen, Germany
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: aladin.e-technik.uni-erlangen.de
Lines: 15
In article <1993Apr21.141824.23536@cbis.ece.drexel.edu>, jpw@cbis.ece.drexel.edu (Joseph Wetstein) asked:
|>
|> Hello. I am looking for a program (or algorithm) that can be used
|> to compute sunrise and sunset times.
|>
|> I would appreciate any advice.
|>
|> Joe Wetstein
|> jpw@coe.drexel.edu
To compute this, and many other astronomical things, go and get (x)ephem written
by Elwood C. Downey. It is e.g. on export.lcs.mit.edu
Uwe Bonnes bon@lte.e-technik.uni-erlangen.de
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From: rind@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu (David Rind)
Subject: Re: Adult Chicken Pox
Distribution: usa
Organization: Beth Israel Hospital, Harvard Medical School, Boston Mass., USA
Lines: 15
NNTP-Posting-Host: enterprise.bih.harvard.edu
In article <C5pM3o.BDo@feenix.metronet.com> marcbg@feenix.metronet.com
(Marc Grant) writes:
>all over my bod. At what point am I no longer infectious? My physician's
>office says when they are all scabbed over. Is this true?
Yes.
>Is there any medications which can promote healing of the pox? Speed up
>healing?
Acyclovir started in the first 1-2 days probably speeds recovery and
decreases the formation of new pox.
--
David Rind
rind@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu
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From: nick@sfb256.iam.uni-bonn.de ( Nikan B Firoozye )
Subject: Re: Sunrise/ sunset times
Organization: Applied Math, University of Bonn, Germany
Lines: 15
A related question (which I haven't given that much serious thought
to): at what lattitude is the average length of the day (averaged
over the whole year) maximized? Is this function a constant=
12 hours? Is it truly symmetric about the equator? Or is
there some discrepancy due to the fact that the orbit is elliptic
(or maybe the difference is enough to change the temperature and
make the seasons in the southern hemisphere more bitter, but
is far too small to make a sizeable difference in daylight
hours)?
I want to know where to move.
-Nick Firoozye
nick@sfb256.iam.uni-bonn.de
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From: mark@fenris.albany.edu (Mark Steinberger)
Subject: Re: More on ADL spying case
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Lines: 6
I don't think Yigal and his friends have had as much fun for years,
if ever, as they're getting over this ADL business.
The publicity is likely to generate some speaker's fees, too.
--Mark
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From: tuinstra@signal.ece.clarkson.edu.soe (Dwight Tuinstra)
Subject: (new) reason for Clipper alg'm secrecy
Reply-To: tuinstra@signal.ece.clarkson.edu.soe
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Lines: 38
Nntp-Posting-Host: signal.ece.clarkson.edu
[Apologies for not posting to alt.clipper, or whatever, but it seems it
may not be in the newsfeed here.]
There may be another reason (good from NSA's point of view, horrible
from everyone else's) why the algorithm/chip design might be secret.
First, note that the "experts" will only look at "details", and of just
the algorithm:
In addition, respected experts from outside the
government will be offered access to the confidential details of
the algorithm to assess its capabilities and publicly report
their findings.
Why not the chip design? Well, here's the possiblity: in addition to
encryption, the chip pre-processes voice signals to make them easier
to analyze/transcribe electronically. The chip, once widespread, might
effectively be part of a massively parallel computer for "voice-
grepping" the US phone network (or the criminal & wrong-thinking patrons
thereof).
I wouldn't put it past the NSA. Think how much easier it would make life
for them.
And if this is indeed the case, think of the possible public outcry should
it become widely known. Thus the secrecy.
It might be a good idea to have experts in DSP, voice recognition, and
AI conversation-understanding to be on that panel, and insist they be
given (authenticatable) design specs and implementation documentation.
+========================================================================+
| dwight tuinstra best: tuinstra@sandman.ece.clarkson.edu |
| tolerable: tuinstrd@craft.camp.clarkson.edu |
| |
| Look out, kid, it's something that you did. |
| God knows when, but you're doin' it again ... |
+========================================================================+
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Subject: Re: Young Catchers
From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA
Lines: 27
In article <mssC52qMx.768@netcom.com> mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer) writes:
>Now, Keith Mitchell. As I recall (no stat books handy - surprise!)
>he jumped from AA to Atlanta in 1991. He did so well that he was
>returned to the minors, where he didn't do very well at all. Now
>his career is in jeopardy. So how does he fit in with your
>point. Good MLE's in AA. Moved him right to the big club. Now
>he's one step away from being traded or moved out of baseball.
>Duh.
Methinks you recall wrong. Mitchell hit close to .300 in Atlanta and
continued to walk alot after his promotion. He was then (I think) left
off the playoff roster, and started the next year in the minors where
even the Braves will tell you he underperformed because he was so mad
at going back down.
he struggled last year, no doubt, but even the Braves blamed part of it
on the demotion. I'd much rather have Mitchell than say Mark Whiten on
the Cards.
Russ Smith
*******************************************************************************
"I don't know anything about X's, but I know about some O."
George Gervin on being an assistant coach
********************************************************************************
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From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Subject: Re: How to act in front of traffic jerks
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Lines: 13
nielsmm@imv.aau.dk (Niels Mikkel Michelsen) writes:
>Did I do the right thing?
Denmark, eh? Should have taken a short sword and cleaved his car
in half. Since I assume you didn't have a short sword on you,
I certainly have no problems with your choice of substitute action.
< Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu >
< ISU only censors what I read, not what I say. Don't blame them. >
< USENET: Post to exotic, distant machines. Meet exciting, >
< unusual people. And flame them. >
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From: fist@iscp.bellcore.com (Richard Pierson)
Subject: Re: Boom! Hubcap attack!
Nntp-Posting-Host: foxtrot.iscp.bellcore.com
Organization: Bellcore
Lines: 57
In article <speedy.147@engr.latech.edu>, speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy
Mercer) writes:
|> I was attacked by a rabid hubcap once. I was going to work on a
|> Yamaha
|> 750 Twin (A.K.A. "the vibrating tank") when I heard a wierd noise off
|> to my
|> left. I caught a glimpse of something silver headed for my left foot
|> and
|> jerked it up about a nanosecond before my bike was hit HARD in the
|> left
|> side. When I went to put my foot back on the peg, I found that it
|> was not
|> there! I pulled into the nearest parking lot and discovered that I
|> had been
|> hit by a wire-wheel type hubcap from a large cage! This hubcap
|> weighed
|> about 4-5 pounds! The impact had bent the left peg flat against the
|> frame
|> and tweeked the shifter in the process. Had I not heard the
|> approaching
|> cap, I feel certian that I would be sans a portion of my left foot.
|>
|> Anyone else had this sort of experience?
|>
Not with a hub cap but one of those "Lumber yard delivery
trucks" made life interesting when he hit a 'dip' in the road
and several sheets of sheetrock and a dozen 5 gallon cans of
spackle came off at 70 mph. It got real interesting for about
20 seconds or so. Had to use a wood mallet to get all the dried
spackle off Me, the Helmet and the bike when I got home. Thanks
to the bob tail Kenworth between me and the lumber truck I had
a "Path" to drive through he made with his tires (and threw up
the corresponding monsoon from those tires as he ran over
what ever cans of spackle didn't burst in impact). A car in
front of me in the right lane hit her brakes, did a 360 and
nailed a bridge abutment half way through the second 360.
The messiest time was in San Diego in 69' was on my way
back to the apartment in ocean beach on my Sportster and
had just picked up a shake, burger n fries from jack in
the box and stuffed em in my foul weather jacket when the
milk shake opened up on Nimitz blvd at 50 mph, nothing
like the smell of vanilla milk shake cooking on the
engine as it runs down your groin and legs and 15 people
waiting in back of you to make the same left turn you are.
--
##########################################################
There are only two types of ships in the NAVY; SUBMARINES
and TARGETS !!!
#1/XS1100LH DoD #956 #2 Next raise
Richard Pierson E06584 vnet: [908] 699-6063
Internet: fist@iscp.bellcore.com,|| UUNET:uunet!bcr!fist
#include <std.disclaimer> My opinions are my own!!!
I Don't shop in malls, I BUY my jeans, jackets and ammo
in the same store.
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From: hagenjd@wfu.edu (Jeff Hagen)
Subject: BMW's new plant in Greer, SC
Organization: Wake Forest University
Lines: 8
NNTP-Posting-Host: ac.wfunet.wfu.edu
Is anyone reading this message involved with the new BMW plant?
(does BMW corporate even have a net-connection?)
desperately seeking info,
Jeff Hagen
hagenjd@ac.wfu.edu
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From: umsoroko@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Michael Sorokowski)
Subject: Request info on floptical drives.
Keywords: floptical,mac,drives
Nntp-Posting-Host: ccu.umanitoba.ca
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Lines: 20
I'm considering adding a floptical drive to my current system.
What I would like to know is which floptical drives are recommended for
their quality and performance.
My preference would be floptical drives capable of handling both 800k and
1.4k floppies, but handling 800k floppies is not a necessity.
So far, I only know a bit about the Iomega floptical and the Infinity
floptical drives. Are there any comments/recommendations for either of these?
Are there any other floptical drives that are worth looking into and where
can they be purchased (i.e. which mail order places, etc).
Thanks in advance.
Please send replies directly to umsoroko@ccu.umanitoba.ca
----
Mike Sorokowski (umsoroko@ccu.umanitoba.ca)
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From: Eugene.Bigelow@ebay.sun.com (Geno )
Subject: Re: The doctrine of Original Sin
Reply-To: Eugene.Bigelow@ebay.sun.com
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Lines: 14
[4) "Nothing unclean shall enter [heaven]" (Rev. 21.27). Therefore,
babies are born in such a state that should they die, they are cuf off
from God and put in hell, which is exactly the doctrine of St. Augustine
and St. Thomas. Of coures, having only original sins on thier souls,
they suffer the lightest punishment, the loss of the vision oand
presence of God, but that does not change the undeniable fact that they
cannot possibly come to a forgivenss of original sin, nor can they
inherit eternal life. "That," as St. Augustine said, "Is what the
Pelagian heretics taught." Which is why he said later, "If you want to
be a Christian, do not teach that unbaptized infants can come to a
forgivenss of original sin."]
Doesn't the Bible say that God is a fair god? If this is true, how can this
possibly be fair to the infants?
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From: 35002_4401@uwovax.uwo.ca
Subject: How is a Loopback connector made?
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Nntp-Posting-Host: hydra.uwo.ca
Lines: 9
I need to know the Pins to connect to make a loopback connector for a serial
port so I can build one. The loopback connector is used to test the
serial port.
Thanks for any help.
Steve
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From: sherwood@adobe.com (Geoffrey Sherwood)
Subject: Orchid P9000 vs Fahrenheit (mini review)
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]
Lines: 79
I just purchased a Viewsonic 17 and and Orchid P9000. In short, I am happy
with the monitor and unhappy with the card. I have spent a lot more time
futzing with the card, so that is what I am going to write about. The monitor
is pretty. The moires I had under Simcity on my 17" Magnavox went away. It
isn't as heavy as I thought it would be (45 lbs, I think). So much for the
monitor. On to the bitch session and test results.
In going with the modern trend, the Orchid P9000 card only supports 16 colors
in 640x480 mode without a driver. Of course, this breaks any DOS program
which uses SVGA modes (like most of my CD-ROMs). The Compudyne Whiplash VGA,
Orchid Fahrenheit 1280, and Orchid F. VLB all share this limitation. Those
are all S3 cards, which means it is an S3 problem for them (the P9000 uses
a Weitek VGA chip which also doesn't support them). The Hercules Graphite
card does seem to have these modes, but I didn't run the same test cases as
I did on the other boards during the brief time I had it. It was able to
print the splash screen for the Grolier's Encyclopedia, though, which the S3
cards just printed as hash, which is why I suspect the SVGA modes are supported.
The supported resolutions really annoy me. You can do 1280x1024 at 75Hz if
you tell the driver you have an NEC 5FG (they only have about six monitors
listed plus 'Generic', and if you choose Generic you can't get any high
refreshes at ALL). But at 1024x768 you are limited to 70Hz. Seems to me
that the hardware should be able to support the bandwidth (if it can do 75Hz
at 1280 it sure should be able to do it at 1024!). Higher vertical resolution
was the main reason I bought the card over the Orchid F. VLB I currently have,
and it will do 1024x768x70 Hz as well.
The higher graphics modes all crash HP Dashboard. I just got off the phone
with Orchid, and with the 1.1 drivers (I don't know what I have) he was unable
to recreate the problem. On the plus side, their tech rep was as helpful as
he could be and booted up the program on his computer to verify he didn't have
the problem. He didn't know why they limited the refresh to 70 Hz either.
The board is faster that the OFVLB for most things according to the Hercules
Speedy program. This program tests various operations and reports the results
in pixels/second. I don't have the numbers for the Graphite card, but they
were close to half of the OFVLB (ie, slower) but that was running in a 20MHz
386, ISA, so the numbers aren't really comparable. The following numbers
were all obtained using a 486, 33 MHz, AIR motherboard (UMC chipset), with
8 MB memory. I give ranges because the program reports the numbers as it
computes them, and these tend to jump around a bit.
K means thousand (not 1024), M means million, pixels per second
Orchid Fahrenheit VLB Orchid P9000
Chip S3 805 Weitek 9000
DIB to Screen 182K - 190K 228K - 240K
Memory to Screen 5.9M - 6.2M 8.4M - 8.9M
Screen to Screen 14M - 14.8M 29M - 30.8M
Vector, solid 2.4M 2.8M - 2.9M
Vector, styled 55K - 58K 449K - 473K
Polygon, shaded 1.8M - 2.1M 1.6M - 1.9M
Polygon, hatched 6.9M - 7.9M 1.3M - 1.7M
Ternary Rops 1.9M - 2.4M 477K - 520K
Font 130K - 160K 46K - 55K / 1.2M
The DIB to Screen test takes a device independent bitmap of a face and transfers
it to the screen. I have no idea what is being done internally as far as
conversions go. The memory to screen takes the same face and copies it to
the screen, my guess is after it has been rasterized into a bitmap that can
just be copied to the video display. The screen to screen test copies that
face from place to place on the screen. Awesome! Interestingly, the solid
vectors and shaded polygons show no improvement, and hatched polygons (ie,
filled with cross-hatching) and Ternary Rops (whatever they are. Graphics
operations like XORs maybe????) are a dead loss on the 9000. I give two
numbers for the 9000 fonts, because I think they are caching.
When the fonts are first drawn on the screen they are done fairly slowly --
1/3 the speed of the OFVLB. Then the speed increases dramatically. Sounds
like programming to a benchmark to me....
I make no claims that these numbers mean anything at all. Its just what
I saw when I ran them on my computer. I normally don't write disclaimers,
but this time maybe I'd better. My testing is totally unconnected with my
work (I program under UNIX on Decstations) is done completely without the
knowledge, blessing, or equipment of my company.
geoff sherwood
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From: anisko@usdtsg.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (anisko)
Subject: Re: Atari Mono and VGA
Reply-To: anisko@usdtsg.UUCP ()
Distribution: world
Organization: NCR Corporation, Dayton
Lines: 35
In article <19APR199322421085@oregon.uoregon.edu> arosborn@oregon.uoregon.edu (Alan Osborn) writes:
>In article <1993Apr19.090707.3686@tdb.uu.se>, m88max@tdb.uu.se (Max Brante) writes...
>>Have anybody succeded in converting a atari monomchrome monitor into a
>>mono VGA monitor. If so please let me know exactly how you did and what
>>graphics card you used.
>I wish I could help! I posted a similar question about two weeks ago;
>I got no response at all. I've asked locally at my friendly Atari store.
>I was told that it should be possible, but that they had no idea how
>it might be done. Nor did they particularly care to investigate.
>
>Please, if anyone has _any_ suggestions, post them!
You might try asking on one of the comp.sys.ibm.* echos (the best one
may be comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware). I say this because the conversion
seems more geared toward a PC user wanting to use that monitor, than
an Atari user who already can use the monitor (unless maybe they
want to really go wild - converting the monitor to VGA, then
using it as a VGA monitor with a Falcon :-)
As for graphics cards, assuming that the Atari monitor can be
modified/adapted to handle VGA signals, you should probably be able
to use any VGA card (at least with a res around 640x400). I haven't
tried this, but that would be my guess...
Robert Anisko
anisko@usdtsg.daytonoh.ncr.com
...you might want to price mono VGA monitors anyways - it may be cheaper
to go that route than to do the conversion; besides, with the Falcon and
beyond, VGA/SVGA/multisync monitors will probably be the way to go...
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From: rlglende@netcom.com (Robert Lewis Glendenning)
Subject: Don't fight Clipper Chip, subvert or replace it !
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Distribution: na
Lines: 35
Clipper Chip is a response to the fact that there is no business
or professional body in a position to establish a standard and
provide chipsets to implement it for analog or digial transmission
systems.
RSA might be in position to do it, if they had active cooperation of
a couple of manufacturers of cellular phones or desktop phones.
Large companies in the voice/data comm business are out, because they
all have contracts with the gov which would be used to pressure them.
If we, as professionals in crypto organizations, EFF, etc. were to
put our collective minds and interests toward establishing a
crypto standard for transmission, and getting our companies to
implement it, we might avoid government control.
Otherwise, I think it will happen to us by default. Gov isn't probably
strong enough or foolish enough to prevent strong crypt. They
are strong enough, and we may be foolish enough, to push through
the Clipper Chip.
Is RSA independt of the gov enough to spearhead this? I, for one,
would *gladly* pay royalties via purchasing secure phones.
If not this, we should provide an algorithm which can be implemented
in either SW or HW and publish it, then push to make it the defacto
standard in the way that PGP and RIPEM are becoming such.
We are opposing, charging the bunker. We should be nimble and clever.
The gov is strong, not clever.
Lew
--
Lew Glendenning rlglende@netcom.com
"Perspective is worth 80 IQ points." Niels Bohr (or somebody like that).
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From: srlnjal@grace.cri.nz
Subject: CorelDraw Bitmap to SCODAL
Organization: Industrial Research Ltd., New Zealand.
Lines: 10
NNTP-Posting-Host: grv.grace.cri.nz
Does anyone know of software that will allow
you to convert CorelDraw (.CDR) files
containing bitmaps to SCODAL, as this is the
only format our bureau's filmrecorder recognises.
Jeff Lyall
Inst.Geo.Nuc.Sci.Ltd
Lower Hutt New Zealand
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Subject: insurance question
From: <LIBEMC@BYUVM.BITNET>
Organization: Brigham Young University
Lines: 18
I'm about to buy a new car and finance some of it. Since I paid
cash for the last car I bought I did not have to worry about
whether or not I had a good amount of insurance on it because
of a bank loan. I just put the amount that I wanted (not what
a bank would have wanted). Friends are telling me that banks
require some kind of insurance on the car to protect it since it
is collateral on loans. Is this true? Can that insurance be
gotten as part of my other insurance? I assume I don't have to
pay a dealer for extra insurance over my regular car insurance.
Am I correct? I hear about accident/health type insurance at
the dealers and I am pretty sure these are just money makers
for them. I just want to verify that I don't _have_ to buy
these at all. Or any other types of extras.
What do I have to pay for? Car, tax, license. Anything else?
Ellen
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