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From: betz@gozer.idbsu.edu (Andrew Betz) Subject: Re: Guns GONE. Good Riddance ! Nntp-Posting-Host: gozer Organization: SigSauer Fan Club Lines: 66 In article <1993Apr18.000152.2339@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes: >You are loosing. What's "loosing?" >Of those who vote, your cause is considered an abomination. No matter >how hard you try, public opinion is set against the RKBA. I vote. I don't consider RKBA an abomination. >This is the end. By the finish of the Clinton administration, your >RKBA will be null and void. Tough titty. I'm sure Sarah Brady would be delighted to hear your ranting and raving. However, Clinton has not publically stated that he would like to repeal the Second Amendment. "Tough titty" to you. >You had better discover ways to make do without firearms. The number of >cases of firearms abuses has ruined your cause. There is nothing you >can do about it. Those who live by the sword shall die by it. Are we going to "make do without" like the people in New York City? You know New York City: That gun ban utopia you dream about, with the millions of unregistered handguns? New York City, by the way, has a very high crime rate. Perhaps you should know about a gungrabber's nightmare - Idaho. Here in Idaho, the police give concealed carry permits to anyone over 21 without a criminal record. There are no gungrabber schemes such as FOIDs, waiting periods, "gun a month," or LTCs. And horror of horrors! You don't even NEED a permit to carry a concealed weapon while outside of city limits (although you do need a permit for concealed carry in an automobile). I feel a hell of a lot safer in Boise than I would in your gun ban dream state (e.g., Washington, D.C.). >The press is against you, the public (the voting public) is against >you, the flow of history is against you ... this is it ! The voting public in Idaho is staunchly pro-gun. Both senators are NRA-endorsed "A" rated! Buy a clue, pal. >Surrender your arms. Soon enough, officers will be around to collect >them. Resistance is useless. They will overwhelm you - one at a time. >Your neighbors will not help you. They will consider you more if an >immediate threat than the abstract 'criminal'. > Get out your wallet and buy another clue. There are millions upon MILLIONS of pre-1968 (i.e., non-4473'ed) firearms out there. They have a half-life approaching eternity. And cosmoline is not exactly tracked by the feds. >Too fucking bad. You have gone the way of the KKK. Violent solutions >are passe'. Avoid situations which encourage criminals. Then you will >be as safe as possible. Such as it is ... > Gun control laws were passed to PROTECT the KKK from blacks! Drew -- betz@gozer.idbsu.edu *** brought into your terminal from the free state of idaho *** *** when you outlaw rights, only outlaws will have rights *** *** spook fodder: fema, nsa, clinton, gore, insurrection, nsc, semtex, neptunium, terrorist, cia, mi5, mi6, kgb, deuterium
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From: 6500alh@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Archie Holmes) Subject: Prizm's Radio Question Keywords: prizm, geo, radio, theft Distribution: rec Lines: 7 I was lloking at the Geo Prizm Lsi today (very nice). Anyway, I had a questions that the salesperson couldn't answer. How does the theft deterrent on the Prizm's audio systems work? Can't find the answer in any of Geo's lterature. Thanks in advance. Archie Holmes
1902
From: tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) Subject: Re: Nazi Eugenic Theories Circulated by CPR => (unconventional peace) Nntp-Posting-Host: orion.oac.uci.edu Organization: University of California, Irvine Lines: 15 In article <1qvi7s$b1o@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman) writes: > > First this man promotes the dissolution of the Jews through an >intermarriage process, and then says that it will be just a bunch >of 'fundamentalist' Jews who will object. > >Or does he simply mean to insult the orthodox by using the word >'fundamentalist?' > It's irritating when someone mis-labels "us" as "fundamentalists", isn't it? This sort of thing may help us understand why some muslims rather resent being put under this label. Tim
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From: kadie@cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M Kadie) Subject: Re: Organized Lobbying for Cryptography Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL Lines: 18 kubo@zariski.harvard.edu (Tal Kubo) writes: [...] >The EFF has been associated with efforts to prevent the banning of sex >and pictures newsgroups at various universities. [...] So what? Justices William Brennan, Thurgood Marshall, John Paul Stevens, and Byron White are associated with a plurality Supreme Court decision that prevented the removal of "anti-American, anti-Christian, anti-Semitic, and just plain filthy" books from a public high school library [_Board of Education v. Pico_ (1982)]. Does this mean that they could no longer defend free expression and privacy? - Carl -- Carl Kadie -- I do not represent any organization; this is just me. = kadie@cs.uiuc.edu =
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From: tmh@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Todd M. Helfter) Subject: Re: BATF/FBI revenge Organization: Purdue University Computing Center Lines: 172 >Does anyone have any idea about the size of Waco? I'm just curious because >if it were a small town that may have something to do with it. Possibly not. >It sure didn't take it very long to burn down though. I was watching ABC and >it only took like a little over 30 minutes to burn down. Waco is a city of about 100,000 people. The population temporarily raised to about 102,000 people when all the feds, and state police officers arrived. I tell you what, I stayed in a hotel room about 4 miles from the BD compound around 3 weeks ago. I have never felt more paranoid in my whole life. There were at least 100 state police in the hotel. > >>The claim "we had the water turned off, so the fire engines had to bring >>their own" doesn't hold up: If they had cut off the water, they surely >>could have turned it back on just as quickly. They just didn't want to: >>There were some scores to settle. Message to anybody else is very clear: >>"DON'T FUCK WITH US. WE WILL DO YOU IN..." >> >Not that I am one to believe that everything that the government tells us is >true but if that was the message they wanted to send why did they wait 51 days? >I think the message would be better sent by charging in there right away - not >waiting for 51 days and pounding them with sound, etc. > >>A bunch of dead BD members are not going to be so able to tell their >>side of the story, so now all we have is the story according to the BATF >>and FBI. Also, Mr "care about the rights of people" Clinton, or his >>administration approved this action (FBI said 'Washington had approved >>it'). They FBI said the gas masks used by the BDs have a finite life, >>and were close to running out. WHY COULDN'T THEY HAVE JUST WAITED? > >Well, there are 9 people supposedly alive. They can tell their story. As far >as Bill Clinton is concerned don't you think he has more pressing matters to >attend to besides some small group of people in Texas? How about Bosnia? Now >there's a problem...... Why couldn't they have waited? They waited too long >as it is. Something should have been done earlier. > >> >>They gov is trying to say it was a mass suicide. In the past they had >>expressed this was a real possibility, but now they decided it wasn't >>a possibility so they could go on with the raid. Apparantly what they >>feel Korash was or was not capable of or going to do was driven by >>what was most convenient at the time... >> >>Now this means that: >> >>1: The public and media will forget about all this - having become weary of >>it. > >This has already happened for many people. > >>2: There will be no investigation (independent or otherwise) or a whitewash. > >Very much a possibility. > >>3: There will be no unsealing of the warrant and related documents. >>4: What anybody will know about this incident will be the BATF version. > >With the way our government is I wouldn't doubt it. > >>5: The BATF has just been given Carte Blanche for further abuses, with >> the effective support and approval of the Administration. > >Clinton said on the news that he knew about what was happening but that it was >all in the hands of the FBI. That is if you choose to believe the media. > >>6: There WILL BE more abuses, with no concern of Administration censure. >>7: The precident has been established that the Feds can kill in quantity >> to achieve their aims. Especially if the target is excercising their >> rights under the Second Amendment, and the rest of the Bill of Rights, >> and is a government-declared un-nice fellow. > >If they had rocket launchers and such (as the press and gov claims) why >shouldn't they have done something? What possible use would a religious cult >have for a rocket launcher? Also, is child abuse covered by the Bill of >Rights? > >> : LLs and CLAMs will be pleased. Dung Tsow Ping(sp) will be pleased. >> Saddam Hussein(sp) will be pleased. Idi Amin would be pleased. Stalin >> would be pleased. Even Hitler would be pleased. Any self-respecting >> despot would nod and say "Well Done, Bill Clinton!!" >> >Well, then there are probably a lot of self-respecting despots in the US cause >I'm sure they feel the same way. > >>God Bless America - Land of the Free!!! (past tense). >> >>Well, maybe I AM overreacting. But I see on the TV as I am typing where > >Maybe, maybe not. There are a lot of questions that should be raised about >this incident. The problem is, who will do it and be heard? > >>govt spoksewoman (the new attorney general, known to be almost rabid >>about private ownership of guns - wants to ban 'assault guns' and just >>about everything else), is saying the FBI had "amazing restraint", then >>falls back into the official goverenment line about how the BD were >>guity of child abuse, and were into it in an on-going basis, and so on. >>Note that according to the Liberal Elite, giving a child a spanking is >>regarded as child abuse (seriously - if it gets known, the STATE can >>take your child away from you if you spank your kid). She also is saying > >Which state is that? The federal government or an individual state government >? > >>CLINTON PERSONALLY APPROVED THIS OPERATION - she "told him it was >>appropriate and so on, and he SAID OK, DO IT". Somehow, I am not >>surprised - the people MUST KNOW WHO IS BOSS - WHO IS IN CHARGE!!! >>And it is obviouly no longer the people. >> >It seems to me that the people haven't been in charge for a long time. If they >really were I don't think the government would be doing as many things as it >has in the past. > >>And I maintain the appropriate response, as far as this raid by BATF is >>concerned, regarding child abuse is "so what?". BATF are not our Child >>Protective Services Police. Yet. After all the BD had been TRIED on >>that charge before and found NOT GUILTY. The gov't people have pretty >>much gone silent on the terrible illegal guns BD supposedly has, and >>stress the "continued child abuse" (apparantly to make it a seem as sort >>of a 'rescue' operation, figuring everyone hates child abusers, and >>anything is OK to use against them). Occasional references to ammunition >>possesed by the BDs and so on is irrelevant: it is NOT ILLEGAL to have >>ammunition (yet). >> >True but is it illegal to have a rocket launcher? > >>Am I having a vain hope that an honest investigation will occur on this >>thing? Or will it simply be whitewashed under the rug, and Business >>as Usual will continue to be the Order of the Day in the New Order? >>Who will be given the official title of "Thought Police", I wonder...? >> >>And if Clinton and friends have their way, (highly likely at this point) >>the New Order Government will also have all the guns... So what if >>"1984" is going to be ten years late... I think we are going to discover >>that we will be paying DEARLY for putting this fellow in office for decades >>to come. Even some die-hard supporters are having serious doubts about >>their Savior. >> >Shit, if people dont get what they want right away there is an instant problem. >Clinton has only been in office for a few months. Give him a chance to get >something done. The guy had a lot of shit thrown in his lap in the beginning. >Give him a chance to work on things a little. As they say - Rome wasn't built >in a day. > >>Yes, I am UPSET. I see NO GOOD as far as civil/individual rights to >>come of any of his proposals/decisions for the last month or so... >>We have really been HAD. Or Bill of Rights is now nothing but a quaint >>curiosity. >> >I highly doubt that it is that bad yet. How about the Rodney King trial? The >two people who were most responsible got the axe. How bad the axe falls tho >is yet to be seen. > >>Anybody for impeachment? >> >Nope. I would prefer to give Bill a little more than four or five months to >solve the nations problems. >>-- >>pat@rwing.uucp [Without prejudice UCC 1-207] (Pat Myrto) Seattle, WA >> If all else fails, try: ...!uunet!pilchuck!rwing!pat >>WISDOM: "Only two things are infinite; the universe and human stupidity, >> and I am not sure about the former." - Albert Einstien > >Jason - u28037@uicvm.cc.uic.edu
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From: sundar@fiber-one.ai.mit.edu (Sundar Narasimhan) Subject: how much would a Tektronix 2465A oscilloscope fetch Reply-To: sundar@ai.mit.edu Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: fiber-one.ai.mit.edu Hi: I'd like to know how much the foll. equipment will fetch in the used equipment market (without manuals or other accessories): 1. Tektronix 2465 scope 2. Tektronix 2465A scope 3. Tektronix 1240 logic analyser Thanks much for your help.
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From: bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman) Subject: Re: Ten questions about Israel Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: slc8.ins.cwru.edu Why does the Center For Policy Research pose such unbelievably stupid and loaded questions to this newsgroup. What are you? - a think tank, or a fish tank? Every time I start to believe I have seen the outer boundaries of your stupidity, you come up with one step beyond. When will it end, man? Can you actually have brain enough to dress and feed yourself each morning?
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From: ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B) Subject: Re: thining algorithm Organization: Purdue University Lines: 15 In article <1q7615INNmi@shelley.u.washington.edu> kshin@stein.u.washington.edu (Kevin Shin) writes: > I am trying obtain program to preprocess handwriting characters. > Like thining algorithm, graph alogrithm. > Do anyone know where I can obtain those? I usually use "Algorithms for graphics and image processing" by Theodosios Pavlidis, but other people here got them same idea and now 3 of 4 copies in the libraries have been stolen! Another reference is "Digital Image Processing" by Gonzalez and Wintz/Wood, which is widely available but a little expensive ($55 here- I just checked today). ab
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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: Re:xSoviet Armenia denies the historical fact of the Turkish Genocide. Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 174 In article <2BD220B1.22816@news.service.uci.edu> tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) writes: >>>>I sure hope so. Because, the unspeakable crimes of the Armenians must >>>>be righted. Armenian invaders burned and sacked the fatherland of >> >>>No! NO! no no no no no. It is not justifiable to right wrongs of >>>previous years. >Well, there is a bit: such as the German reparations to the jewish >survivors of the Holocaust. Certainly, as such an event goes further >into the past, reparations become less realistic. I was convinced that no one could have a more warped sense of the world. They were 'our' grandparents who were cold-bloodedly exterminated by the Armenians between 1914 and 1920, not yours. And you can always participate in 'The Turkish Genocide Day' along with millions of Turkish and Kurdish people on April 23, 1993 in the United States and Canada. ...On this occasion, we once again reiterate the unquestioned justice of the restitution of Turkish and Kurdish rights and... - We demand that the x-Soviet Armenian Government admit its responsibility for the Turkish and Kurdish Genocide, render reparations to the Muslim people, and return the land to its rightful owners. The recognition of the Genocide has become an issue which cannot be delayed further, and it is imperative that artificial obstacles created for political manipulations be removed. - We believe the time has come to demand from the the United States that it formally recognizes the Turkish and Kurdish Genocide, adopts the principles of our demands and refuses to accede to Armenian pressures to the contrary. - As taxpayers of the United States, we express our vehement protest to the present U.S. Government policy of continued coddling, protection and unqualified assistance towards x-Soviet Armenia. - We also demand that the United States return to the policies advocated by U.S. Ambassador Bristol and other enlightened statesmen, who have undertaken a just, human and benevolent attitude towards the rights of the Muslim people and the just resolution of their Case. - Our territorial demands are strictly aimed at x-Soviet Armenia's. And in article <2BAC262D.25249@news.service.uci.edu>, you have blatantly lied: >The Goltz article was NOT published in the Sunday Times Magazine >on March 1, 1992, but in the Guardian Sunday Section. Well, still anxiously awaiting... CIS Commander Pulls Troops Out of Karabagh : "Elif Kaban, a Reuter correspondent in Agdam, reported that after a battle on Wednesday, Azeris were burying scores of people who died when Armenians overran the town of Khojaly, the second-biggest Azeri settlement in the area. 'The world is turning its back on what's happening here. We are dying and you are just watching,' one mourner shouted at a group of journalists." Helen Womack The Independent, 2/29/92 Armenian Soldiers Massacre Hundreds of Fleeing Families: "The attackers killed most of the soldiers and volunteers defending the women and children. They then turned their guns on the terrified refugees. The few survivors later described what happened: 'That's when the real slaughter began,' said Azer Hajiev, one of the three soldiers to survive. 'The Armenians just shot and shot. And they came in and started carving up people with their bayonets and knives.' A 45-year-old man who had been shot in the back said:' We were walking through the brush. Then they opened up on us and people were falling all around. My wife fell, then my child." Thomas Goltz Sunday Times, 3/1/92 Armenian Raid Leaves Azeris Dead or Fleeing: "...about 1,000 of Khojaly's 10,000 people were killed in Tuesdays attack. Azerbaijani television showed truckloads of corpses being evacuated from the Khocaly area." Brian Killen (Reuters) The Washington Times, 3/2/92 Atrocity Reports Horrify Azerbaijan : "Azeri officials who returned from the seen to this town about nine miles away brought back three dead children, the backs of their heads blown off... 'Women and children had been scalped,' said Assad Faradzev, an aide to Karabagh's Azeri governor. Azeri television showed pictures of one truckload of bodies brought to the Azeri town of Agdam, some with their faces apparently scratched with knives or their eyes gouged out." Brian Killen (Reuters) The Washington Times, 3/3/92 Massacre By Armenians Being Reported: "The Republic of Armenia reiterated denials that its militants had killed 1,000 [Azeris]... But dozens of bodies scattered over the area lent credence to Azerbaijani reports of a massacre." (Reuters) The New York Times, 3/3/92 Killings Rife in Nagorno-Karabagh, Moldova: "Journalists in the area reported seeing dozens of corpses, including some of the civilians, and Azerbaijani officials said Armenians began shooting at them when they sought to recover the bodies." Fred Hiatt The Washington Post, 3/3/92 Bodies Mark Site of Karabagh Massacre: "A local truce was enforced to allow the Azerbaijanis to collect their dead and any refugees still hiding in the hills and forest. All are the bodies of ordinary people, dressed in the poor, ugly clorhing of workers. Of the 31 we saw only one policeman and two apparent national volunteers were wearing uniform. All the rest were civilians, including eight women and three small children. Two groups, apparently families, had fallen together, the children cradled in the women's arms. Several of them, including one small girl, had terrible head injuries: only her face was left. Survivors have told how they saw Armenians shooting them point blank as they lay on the ground." Anatol Lieven The Times (London), 3/3/92 Karabagh Survivors Flee to Mountains: "Geyush Gassanov, the deputy mayor of Khocaly, said that Armenian troops surrounded the town after 7 pm on Tuesday. They were accompanied by six or seven light tanks and armoured carriers. 'We thought they would just bombard the village, as they had in the past, and then retreat. But they attacked, and our defence force couldn't do anything against their tanks.' Other survivors described how they had been fired on repeatedly on their way through the mountains to safety. 'For two days we crawled most of the way to avoid gunfire,' Sukru Aslanov said. His daughter was killed in the battle for Khodjaly, and his brother and son died on the road." Anatol Lieven The Times (London), 3/3/92 Corpses Litter Hills in Karabagh: "As we swooped low over the snow covered hills of Nagorno-Karabagh we saw the scattered corpses. Apparently, the refugees had been shot down as they ran...Suddenly there was a thump...[our Azerbaijani helicopter] had been fired on from an Armenian anti-aircraft post..." Anatol Lieven The Times (London), 3/4/92 "Police in western Azerbaijan said they had recovered the bodies of 120 Azerbaijanis killed as they fled an Armenian assault in the disputed enclave of Nagorno-Karabagh and said they were blocked from recovering more bodies." The Wall Street Journal, 3/4/92 Exiting Troops Attacked in Nagorno-Karabagh: "Withdrawal halted; Armenians Blamed... More video footage and reports from Khocaly paint a grim picture of widespread civilian deaths and mutilation... One woman's feet appeared to have been bound..." Paul Quinn-Judge The Boston Globe, 3/4/92 Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)
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From: jimh@carson.u.washington.edu (James Hogan) Subject: Re: The Inimitable Rushdie Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu In article <115571@bu.edu> jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes: >In article <2BCC892B.21864@ics.uci.edu> bvickers@ics.uci.edu (Brett J. Vickers) writes: > >>In article <115290@bu.edu> jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes: > >>>Well, seeing as you are not muslim the sort of fatwa issued by Khomeini >>>would not be relevant to you. I can understand your fear of persecution >>>and I share it even more than you (being muslim), however Rushdie's >>>behavior was not completely excusable. As much as I considered some of the (so-called) Islam-related dialogue here a total waste of time, I somehow can't restrain myself in this instance, so, Gregg, try this: 20:52 P.S.T. I come to my senses and accept the all-knowing wisdom and power of the Quran and Allah. Not only that, but Allah himself drops by to congratulate me on my wise choice. Allah rolls a few bones and we get down. Then Allah gets out the Crisco, bends over, and invites me to take a spin around the block. Wow. 20:56 P.S.T. I realize that maybe Allah is looking for more of a commitment than I'm ready for, so I say "Man, I've got some programming to do. Gotta go. I'll call you." 20:59 P.S.T Thinking it over, I renounce Islam. BTW, Gregg, Allah said he still thinks of you. Jim
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From: ljbartel@naomi.b23b.ingr.com (Les Bartel) Subject: Re: Aftermarket air-conditioners Reply-To: ljbartel@naomi.b23b.ingr.com Organization: Intergraph Corporation Lines: 30 In article <1qcaueINNmt8@axon.cs.unc.edu> Andrew Brandt writes: |> I looked into getting a/c installed on my 1987 Honda CRX Si. |> The unit is $875 plus shipping, installation is like 5 1/2 hours on |> top of that. This is a hunk of change. |> |> Does anyone know *any* place that does aftermarket a/c installation |> (not with a Honda a/c unit, but some third party unit). |> |> I cannot seem to find anyone who can put a third party a/c unit in a |> Honda. I am in No Carolina, so I would prefer some place nearby, but |> any references would be handy. |> |> Thx, Andy (brandt@cs.unc.edu) Sorry I can't help you with your question, but I do have a comment to make concerning aftermarket A/C units. I have a Frost-King or Frost-Temp (forget which) aftermarket unit on my Cavalier, and am quite unhappy with it. The fan is noisy, and doesn't put out much air. I will never have an aftermarket A/C installed in any of my vehicles again. I just can't trust the quality and performance after this experience. - les -- Les Bartel I'm going to live forever Intergraph Corporation ... or die trying Electronics Division ljbartel@ingr.com or ljbartel@naomi.b23b.ingr.com (205) 730-8537
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From: Eugene.Bigelow@ebay.sun.com (Geno ) Subject: Re: When are two people married in God's e Reply-To: Eugene.Bigelow@ebay.sun.com Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 8 |In article <Apr.14.03.07.21.1993.5402@athos.rutgers.edu> >randerso@acad1.sahs.uth.tmc.edu (Robert Anderson) writes: |>I would like to get your opinions on this: when exactly does an engaged |>couple become "married" in God's eyes? |Not if they are unwilling to go through a public marriage ceremony, |nor if they say they are willing but have not actually done so. How do you know this?
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From: tsmith+@cs.cmu.edu (Tom Smith) Subject: Re: Clinton wants National ID card, aka USSR-style "Internal Passport" Nntp-Posting-Host: seismo.soar.cs.cmu.edu Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon Lines: 34 In article <1993Apr16.022926.27270@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) writes: >In article <C5JIF8.I4n@boi.hp.com> slack@boi.hp.com (David Slack) writes: >>The idea of the card is bull in and of its self, but I'm curious to know, do >>they plan on making it a requirement to *always* have it on you, or is it >>only going to be required to be *presented* when trying to ge medical aid? > >This, at least, has already been determined: The Blue Cross medical >coverage for all federal employees is a good model for a future >national system. To get emergency medical care, anyone so insured >must always carry their Blue Cross card. Before entering a hospital, >you must notify Blue Cross, or they will refuse to pay your bills. >In an emergency, where you must be treated before notifying them, >you must inform them within 24 hours or (if you are unable to do >so for medical reasons) the hospital must. Failing to do so within >24 hours means they will not cover the hospitalization. In you need >your card to notify them (and without the card, the hospital certainly >wouldn't know they had to.) Therefore, you are required to carry >the card at all times, or do without emergency medical coverage. > > Frank Crary > CU Boulder > Which works fine until you end up in the hospital because you were hit on the head and your wallet, with your insurance card, is stolen. This happened to me, and it took six months to sort the mess out. These sorts of plans sound nice at first, but in the end they just create a lot of paperwork and bureaucracy to deal with all the checking and filing they involve. Tom the non hacker tsmith@seismo.soar.cs.cmu.edu The return address is set wrong, send personal response to the above address.
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From: randy@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (Randall Jay Ellingson,199 Clark,55915,) Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI Originator: randy@msc2.msc.cornell.edu Organization: Cornell-Materials-Science-Center Lines: 47 From article <1qq7i1INNdqc@dns1.NMSU.Edu>, by bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB): > wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) write: > >>In article <1qpu0uINNbt1@dns1.NMSU.Edu> bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB) writes: >>>wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes: >>>Since the Mac uses ONLY SCSI-1 for hard drives YES the "figure includes a >>>hundred $$$ for SCSI drivers" This is sloppy people and DUMB. >>What group is this? This is not a MAC group. > Nice of you to DELETE BOTH YOUR responce and the item that prompted it. > to whit: >>>I just bought at Quantum 240 for my mac at home. I paid $369 for it. I > ^^^ [Tons of stuff deleted on SCSI vs. IDE question...] Wow, you guys are really going wild on this IDE vs. SCSI thing, and I think it's great! Like lots of people, I'd really like to increase my data transfer rate from the hard drive. Right now I have a 15ms 210Mb IDE drive (Seagate 1239A), and what I would say is a standard (not special, no cache I believe) IDE controller card on my ISA 486-50. I'm currently thinking about adding another HD, in the 300Mb to 500Mb range. And I'm thinking hard (you should hear those gears a-grinding in my head) about buying a SCSI drive (SCSI for the future benefit). I believe I'm getting something like 890Kb/sec transfer right now (according to NU). How would this number compare if I bought the state-of-the-art SCSI card for my ISA PC, and the state-of-the-art SCSI hard drive (the wailing-est system I could hope for)? Obviously money factors into this choice as well as any other, but what would YOU want to use on your ISA system? And how much would it cost? Along those lines, what kind of transfer rate could I see with my IDE HD's if I were to buy the top-of-the-line IDE caching controller for my 200Mb, 15ms HD? And how much would it cost? I actually have a PAS-16, and could (what a waste I guess it would be...) hook up a SCSI HD through it's SCSI port which yields an optimum of 690Kb/sec. Actually, I have a borrowed 12ms Fujitsu HD hooked up through it now (and own the Trantor HD drivers for the PAS-16 SCSI port). Is this SCSI port a SCSI-2 port? How could I tell? Is the Fujitsu 2623A a SCSI-2? Are all SCSI HD's SCSI-2? Thanks for any comments on these rephrased questions. Randy
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From: jodfishe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (joseph dale fisher) Subject: Going permanent no-mail Organization: Indiana University Lines: 8 Well, it's that time of year again here at IU: graduation. Unfortunately, this means that I am out of here, more than likely for good. I cannot say if I'll be in here under another username or not, or even if I'll ever get back in here at all. I am leaving this part of my ministry to another brother, John Right. So, have fun and remember that flaming can be considered slander. Joe Fisher
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From: richk@grebyn.com (Richard Krehbiel) Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI In-Reply-To: ez033672@rocky.ucdavis.edu's message of Thu, 15 Apr 1993 03:02:20 GMT Lines: 26 Organization: Grebyn Timesharing, Inc. In article <C5I8Fx.8FC@ucdavis.edu> ez033672@rocky.ucdavis.edu (The Great Randalli!) writes: > Can anyone explain in fairly simple terms why, if I get OS/2, I might > need an SCSI controler rather than an IDE. Will performance suffer that > much? For a 200MB or so drive? If I don't have a tape drive or CD-ROM? > Any help would be appreciated. > > Richard Randall -- <ez033672@hamlet.ucdavis.edu> There is a way in which a multi-tasking computer actually gives you more CPU power then you had before, and that is with I/O overlap. With I/O overlap, your CPU can continue to "think" while disk operations are underway, whereas without overlap, your CPU sits idly waiting for each disk operation to finish - and disk operations take an *eternity*, compared to a fast CPU. So, when you've got multi-tasking, you want to increase performance by increasing the amount of overlapping you do. One way is with DMA or bus mastering. Either of these make it possible for I/O devices to move their data into and out of memory without interrupting the CPU. The alternative is for the CPU to move the data. There are several SCSI interface cards that allow DMA and bus mastering. IDE, however, is defined by the standard AT interface created for the IBM PC AT, which requires the CPU to move all the data bytes, with no DMA. -- Richard Krehbiel richk@grebyn.com OS/2 2.0 will do for me until AmigaDOS for the 386 comes along...
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From: drozinst@db.erau.edu (Drozinski Tim) Subject: Re: Ulf and all... Organization: Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University, Daytona Beach, FL USA Lines: 59 NNTP-Posting-Host: alpha.db.erau.edu layfield@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Colin Layfield) writes: >In article <1pdlksINNmq7@GIRAFFE.ZOO.CS.YALE.EDU> wuziyun%suned@cs.yale.edu (You wanna know?) writes: >> >> >>Let me give my two cents worth in this whole thing: >> >> I am very sick of Pittsburg fans(and they are my second favorite team) >>talk about how " why can't Bruins forget about Ulf Samuelsson when we have >>forgotten all about Adam Graves" Beside the obvious fact that Lemeuix's career >>was never endangered by Graves' slash while Neely is still bother by his injury, >>I think the most important reason is: >> >> ADAM GRAVES HAS PLAYED CLEAN HOCKEY EVER SINCE! WHILE ULF SAMULESSON >> CONTINUES TO PLAY DIRTY(YES, TRYING TO HIT A PLAYER WHERE HE'S INJURED >> IS DIRTY). FANS HAVE CAN FORGET ABOUT ONE DIRTY PLAY BUT HOW CAN YOU >> FORGET ABOUT ULF SAMULESSON WHEN EVERYNIGHT, WHEN I WATCH HOCKEY HIGH >> LIGHTS, I GET REMINDED OF HOW DIRTY HE IS. >Hitting a player when he's injured is dirty? Can you explain this statement? >Do you mean a player who was just injured on the ice(?) or do you mean a player >who is playing hurt. If a player is hurt he should not bother playing because >I don't belive ANY PLAYER should be let up on just because they are playing >hurt. >I'm not an Ulf fan but at least I can spot the fact he is like Calgary's >Theoren Fleury in the respect that part of his game is to really piss other >players off as that's part of his job (But he lacks Ulf's size!). I AM an Ulf (and Pgh) fan, and what pisses me off about the whole Adam Graves/ Ulf Samuesson debate is that Ulf plays hard-hitting hockey (nothing wrong with that) while Graves does what he does when the only way to win a game is to intentionally hurt someone (which bites!). >Players that REALLY piss me off are the ones who insist on hitting from behind >or try to go for the knees to injure the players. This kind of garbage has >got to go (I would really like to see Muni get pasted as he is one of the >worst offenders). I thought they had instituted all kinds of new rules this season to stop crap like that?!? Is it just me, or does the officiating just still stink to high heaven? IMHO, if they could get rid of the existing refs, and institute a new system with more than one ref on the ice to keep an eye on the trouble-makers then a lot of these things would stop, and then the game would be ruled by the finnesse players: Mario, Selanne, Bure, Messier, et.al... >Just my $0.02. > Colin Layfield | "Religion and Sex are power plays, > | Manipulate the people for the money they pay, > The University of Calgary | Selling Skin, Selling God > Computer Science | The numbers look the same on their CREDIT CARDS!" > layfield@cpsc.ucalgary.ca | - Queensryche Tim Drozinski Embry-Riddle Aero. Univ. drozinst@erau.db.erau.edu
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From: nstramer@supergas.dazixco.ingr.com (Naftaly Stramer) Subject: Re: no-Free man propaganda machine: Freeman, with blood greetings from Israel Nntp-Posting-Host: supergas Reply-To: nstramer@dazixco.ingr.com Organization: Intergraph Electronics Lines: 31 In article <1qev18INNnk7@early-bird.think.com>, shaig@Think.COM (Shai Guday) writes: >In article <1993Apr13.142902.14479@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu>, hasan@McRCIM.McGill.EDU writes: >|> As for israelis, Menahim Begal Begin and Yitzhak Shakh Shamir were leaders > ^^^^^ ^^^^^ >Cute, real cute. Now can you please stop being childish and get on >with the issues? > >|> of many of these gangs that massacred Palestineans and became the >|> HEROS of israel and its Prime ministers. Oh sorry I forgot Ben Gurion, >|> too. I hope he is enjoying his coffin . Now, if israelis donot support >|> (which i doubt) the oppression and killing from 1930's-now, You probably mean the mass murders of Jews in the West Bank between 1936-1939. >|> Hasan >Shai Guday Naftaly ---- Naftaly Stramer | Intergraph Electronics Internet: nstramer@dazixco.ingr.com | 6101 Lookout Road, Suite A Voice: (303)581-2370 FAX: (303)581-9972 | Boulder, CO 80301 "Quality is everybody's job, and it's everybody's job to watch all that they can."
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From: bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner) Subject: Re: Gospel Dating Nntp-Posting-Host: okcforum.osrhe.edu Organization: Okcforum Unix Users Group X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Lines: 16 Keith M. Ryan (kmr4@po.CWRU.edu) wrote: : : Wild and fanciful claims require greater evidence. If you state that : one of the books in your room is blue, I certainly do not need as much : evidence to believe than if you were to claim that there is a two headed : leapard in your bed. [ and I don't mean a male lover in a leotard! ] Keith, If the issue is, "What is Truth" then the consequences of whatever proposition argued is irrelevent. If the issue is, "What are the consequences if such and such -is- True", then Truth is irrelevent. Which is it to be? Bill
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From: wein1@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (david weinberg) Subject: Re: Octopus in Detroit? Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX The tradition of the octopus started back in the 1950s. It was tradition to toss an octopus out on the ice during the first play-off games because you needed eight wins for Stanely Cup. Today people toss octupi anytime it gets near the play-offs. Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: sleepy.cc.utexas.edu David
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Subject: Travesty at the Joe Louis From: caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca Organization: Mount Royal College, Calgary, Alberta Lines: 17 (Detroit, April 19) In a development that shocked most knowledgable observers, the Detroit Redwings scored no less than six goals against the best goaltender in the world en route to a 6-3 win over the best team in the NHL, the Toronto Maple Leafs. The Leafs could not be faulted, as they completely dominated the inferior Detroit squad and clearly deserved to win. Only the biased officiating of Andy Van Hellemond and the idiots that insisted upon throwing an octopus on the ice at every stoppage in an obvious attempt to distract the superior visiting side prevented an all-out massacre of the Wings by the league's best team. Alan P.S. This is sweet, Roger. So sweet. I look forward to the next installment on Wednesday night. I trust you do, too.
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From: gregg@netcom.com (gregg weber) Subject: What inexpensive monochrome X station can you recommend? Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 10 Can someone recommend an inexpensive 19" monochrome X station, that is not PC software emulation based? Please tell me manufacturer, model, price and any other significant specs. Thanks. -- ================================================================ Gregg Weber Let it be, open and bright like the sky, gregg@netcom.com Without taking sides, with no clouds of concepts. (510) 283-6264 - kun-mkhyen klong-chen-pa ================================================================
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From: whughes@lonestar.utsa.edu (William W. Hughes) Subject: Re: WACO: Clinton press conference, part 1 Nntp-Posting-Host: lonestar.utsa.edu Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio Lines: 13 In article <feustelC5tw49.7p5@netcom.com> feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel) writes: >I predict that the outcome of the study of what went wrong with the >Federal Assault in Waco will result in future assaults of that type >being conducted as full-scale military operations with explicit >shoot-to-kill directives. You mean they aren't already? Could have fooled me. -- REMEMBER WACO! Who will the government decide to murder next? Maybe you? [Opinions are mine; I don't care if you blame the University or the State.]
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From: myers@cs.scarolina.edu (Daniel Myers) Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? Organization: USC Department of Computer Science Lines: 39 Frequently of late, I have been reacting to something added to restaurant foods. What happens is that the inside of my throat starts to feel "puffy", like I have a cold, and also at times the inside of my mouth (especially the tongue) and lips also feel puffy. The situations around these symptoms almost always involve restaurants (usually chinese), the most notable cases: a cheap chinese fast food chain, a japanese steak house (I had the steak), and another chinese fast food chain where I SAW the cook put about a tablespoon or two of what looked like sugar or salt into my fried rice. I am under the impression that MSG "enhances" flavor by causing the taste buds to swell. If this is correct, I do not find it unreasonable to assume that high doses of MSG can cause other mouth tissues to swell. Also, as the many of the occurances (including two of the above) involved beef, and as beef is frequently tenderized with MSG, this is what I suspect as being the cause. I wouldn't be at all surprised if toxicity studies of MSG in animals showed it as being harmless, as it would be very startling to hear a lab rat or rhesus monkey complain about their throats feeling funny. Anyone who wishes to explain how the majority of food additives are totally harmless is welcome to e-mail me with the results of any studied they know of. I will probably respond to them however with a reminder of how long it took to prove that smoking causes cancer (which the tobacco companies still deny). - DM (If I sound grumpy, it's because I had beef with broccoli for lunch today, and now it hurts to swallow) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Myers (Madman) | If the creator had intended us to walk myers@usceast.cs.scarolina.edu | upright, he wouldn't have given us knuckles ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: bluelobster+@cmu.edu (David O Hunt) Subject: Re: Serbian genocide Work of God? Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 24 On 23-Apr-93 in Serbian genocide Work of God? user James Sledd@ssdc.sas.upe writes: >Are the governments of the United States and Europe not moving >to end the ethnic cleansing by the Serbs because the targets are >muslims? Bingo - that and there's no oil there. On 23-Apr-93 in Serbian genocide Work of God? user James Sledd@ssdc.sas.upe writes: >Are the Serbs doing the work of God? Hmm... If this is the "work of god" then I'm doubly glad that I don't worship him. David Hunt - Graduate Slave | My mind is my own. | Towards both a Mechanical Engineering | So are my ideas & opinions. | Palestinian and Carnegie Mellon University | <<<Use Golden Rule v2.0>>> | Jewish homeland! ====T=H=E=R=E===I=S===N=O===G=O=D=========T=H=E=R=E===I=S===N=O===G=O=D===== Email: bluelobster+@cmu.edu Working towards my "Piled Higher and Deeper" It will be a great day when scientists and engineers have all the R&D money they need and religions have to beg for money to pay the priest.
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From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini) Subject: Re: Rumours about 3DO ??? Organization: Unocal Corporation Lines: 5 They need a hit software product to encourage software sales of the product, i.e. the Pong, Pacman, VisiCalc, dBase, or Pagemaker of multi-media. There are some multi-media and digital television products out there already, albeit, not as capable as 3DO's. But are there compelling reasons to buy such yet? Perhaps someone in this news group will write that hit software :-)
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From: jroberts@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Robertson) Subject: ATI ultra pro Drivers? Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 4 Does anybody know the FTP site with the latest Windows drivers for the ATI GUP? Thanks
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From: lancer@oconnor.WPI.EDU (Stephe Lewis Foskett) Subject: How do DI boxes work? Organization: ZikZak Corporation Lines: 19 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: oconnor.wpi.edu I'm doing sound for a couple of bands around here and we need Direct Input boxes for the keyboards. These are the little boxes that take a line level out of the keyboard and transform it into low-Z for the run to the mixer. Sadly they cost like $50 (or more) each and I'm going to need like 5 or 10 of them! I looked inside one (belonging to another band) and it looks like just a transformer. Does anyone have any plans for building them? Perhaps in Anderton's "Electronic Projects for Musicians" book (which I am having a hell of a time tracking down...)? Thanks a lot! .s. PS: Post or email. I read this group... -- - lancer@wpi.wpi.edu - - 0{{ MoDiMiDoFrSaSo: - - Mein Kopf ist ein Labyrinth, mein Leben ist ein Minenfeld -
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From: djmst19@unixd2.cis.pitt.edu (David J Madura) Subject: Re: Rumours about 3DO ??? Lines: 13 X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3 dave@optimla.aimla.com (Dave Ziedman) writes: : 3DO is still a concept. : The software is what sells and what will determine its : success. Apparantly you dont keep up on the news. 3DO was shown at CES to developers and others at private showings. Over 300 software licensees currently developing software for it. I would say that it is a *LOT* more than just a concept.
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From: bts@rock.concert.net (Bruce T Smith -- Personal Account) Subject: Disappearing hard drive in LC? Organization: CONCERT-CONNECT -- Public Access UNIX Lines: 31 The internal HD in my LC disappeared for a day last week, and I'd like to hear any (reasonable) theories folks can suggest for what happened. It is an LC, with 10MB of RAM and an 80MB internal drive, running system 7.1, with a few SCSI devices in a (so far as I know) properly terminated chain. I had shut down the system for a day-- I was out of town and we sometimes have thunderstorms this time of year-- and upon restarting got a blinking question mark. I booted from a floppy and saw that my external HD seemed okay, but there was no sign of the internal. I installed a system folder on the external and was, indeed, able to boot from it. I tried things like Disk First Aid and Silverlining, to inquire about the internal drive. They either could not find it or got errors in trying to talk to it. (Silverlining claimed it was a Connor drive, but it is a Quantum... ) Well, I'd backed things up, so I was able to work. But, at some point I noticed that the internal had reappeared. Now, Disk First Aid says that all's well, etc. Things seem to be fine. But, what happened? Was this a warning that something (the internal HD or something else) is about to die? I'm definitely nervous. And, if this is a signal that the internal HD is sick, is it true that I can only put up to a 127MB drive inside an LC? Some folks have claimed there's a limitation in the LC (other'n size or power) while others (and that includes LaCie, over the phone) say anything that fits is okay. Thanks for answers.
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From: thomper@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dale Buford Thompson) Subject: Is itproper net etiquette to advertise a company's junk mail list? Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA Distribution: usa Expires: April 30, 1993 Lines: 102 In article <C5JCCG.3Bn@tsoft.net> you write: >[stuff deleted] > >My company maintains a 20,000+ mailing list which is regularly rented for ^^^^^^^^^^ >one time use by the major software companies. The method you are using to >"seed" your junk mail, isn't really effective. Bulk mailers regulary >either send their databases to be "cleaned" by the NCOA, which if you've >moved recently, will revert back to the original "xxx Cool", and in large >mailings, there will likely be a dupe of you, and they'll pick the first, and use the >others for future mailings. > >BTW, our list is currently one of the hottest lists for actual buyers of >a MS Windows utility product in the $100 range, and is available through ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >Direct Media in CT., at $0.10 per name. Please let your direct mail ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ !!!!!!^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >marketing rep. know about this.. Thanks. > !!!! !!!!! !!!! >TEd It is my impression that net etiquette does not allow companies to use the net to directly advertise their products. In addition to improper etiquette, this product is a mailing list used for generating junk mail. Am I correct in assuming this is improper, and if so, what can be done to penalize such an improper use? Dale Thompson
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From: pjtier01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu Subject: Re: Montreal Question....... Lines: 12 Nntp-Posting-Host: ulkyvx.louisville.edu Organization: University of Louisville In article <1993Apr19.015442.15723@oz.plymouth.edu>, k_mullin@oz.plymouth.edu (Mully) writes: > What position does Mike Lansing play? I cannot seem to find it > anywhere. Thanks!!!!1 Currently, he's all over. He played 2nd when Deshields was out. He was shifted to third when Delino came back. And today, he played SS for a cold Wil Cordero. His natural positions seem to be in the middle infield, but they will seemingly find a spot for himm somewhere as long as his bat is hot. P. Tierney
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From: khiet@crystallizer.ecn.purdue.edu (Peter Thanh Khiet Vu) Subject: WANTED: FUTON Keywords: WANTED: FUTON Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network Lines: 5 I am looking for a large futon and frame. call Peter 495-2056 or e-mail me "khiet@cn.ecn"
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From: husak@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Stephen R. Husak ) Subject: Re: Another happy Gateway owner Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 20 pastor@vfl.paramax.com (Jon Pastor) writes: >Which they do in the vast majority of cases. Remember that it's only the >people on the tails of the curve who are motivated to write -- the ones who >love it, and the ones who hate it. You don't hear from the folks in the >middle very often... >They have rough edges, no doubt about it; but they give good value per dollar, >and use almost all top-quality components. I am one of those middle-of-the-road GW2000 owners who is satisfied with my system. I had my share of problems/corrections/phone conversations/etc. I'm satisfied on what I got for my money. Stephen R. Husak -- "What am I trying to do, what am I trying to say, I'm not trying to tell you anything you didn't know when you woke up today..." - Depeche Mode "Nothing" MUSIC FOR THE MASSES -= Stephen R. Husak - husak@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu - Univerisity of Illinois
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From: lwb@cs.utexas.edu (Lance W. Bledsoe) Subject: Re: Threatening Gun Owners Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin Lines: 47 NNTP-Posting-Host: im4u.cs.utexas.edu In article <7178@blue.cis.pitt.edu> gswst@cislabs.pitt.edu (Gary S. Wachs) writes: > >Hello, > >I'm writing a story on the future of Gun Control. There are a >few points I would welcome your opinion on. It's wonderful having a >resource like this newsgroup to take advantage of and I thank you in advance >for your feedback! > >1. What do you believe are the most serious threats to gun-owners in the >future? * The Government * Liberals * BATF, FBI, DEA, etc. (see #1) >2. Are you concerned that the 2nd ammendment could be reinterpreted to >apply to the armed forces only, barring civilians from owning arms of >any kind? Well... contributions == taxes abortion == elimination of fetal tissue Clinton == president faggot == spouse It could happen... >3. If you did have control over what types of arms people would be allowed >to buy, which types would you feel compelled to restrict to military >uses only (ie. bazooka, M16, grenade, atomic bomb, etc.) Hydrogen Bomb, perhaps. >4. Would you describe HCI and all other gun control activists as being >determined to make it illegal for a civilian to own or use a firearm? Yep. >5. Have you personally read the Brady Bill in its entirety? Yep. >Thank again, > >Gary -- +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Lance W. Bledsoe lwb@im4u.cs.utexas.edu (512) 258-0112 | | "Ye shall know the TRUTH, and the TRUTH shall make you free." | +------------------------------------------------------------------------+
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From: adrian@ora.COM (Adrian Nye) Subject: widgets vs. gadgets Organization: O'Reilly and Associates, Inc. Lines: 15 Reply-To: adrian@ora.com NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu > I've been using the XmGraph widget that's been floating around and I > noticed the performance is significantly better using Gadgets, perhaps > even 100% faster. I had heard in an old programming course that gadgets > were no longer any benefit to performance, and that it's just as well > to use widgets everywhere. Interesting, I'd like to know why. But try it again on a single ethernet with 100 X terminals on it, and I think you'll find it much slower. Adrian Nye O'Reilly and Associates
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From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) Subject: Re: <Political Atheists? Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 50 NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) writes: >>I think that about 70% (or so) people approve of the >>death penalty, even realizing all of its shortcomings. Doesn't this make >>it reasonable? Or are *you* the sole judge of reasonability? >Aside from revenge, what merits do you find in capital punishment? Are we talking about me, or the majority of the people that support it? Anyway, I think that "revenge" or "fairness" is why most people are in favor of the punishment. If a murderer is going to be punished, people that think that he should "get what he deserves." Most people wouldn't think it would be fair for the murderer to live, while his victim died. >Revenge? Petty and pathetic. Perhaps you think that it is petty and pathetic, but your views are in the minority. >We have a local televised hot topic talk show that very recently >did a segment on capital punishment. Each and every advocate of >the use of this portion of our system of "jurisprudence" cited the >main reason for supporting it: "That bastard deserved it". True >human compassion, forgiveness, and sympathy. Where are we required to have compassion, forgiveness, and sympathy? If someone wrongs me, I will take great lengths to make sure that his advantage is removed, or a similar situation is forced upon him. If someone kills another, then we can apply the golden rule and kill this person in turn. Is not our entire moral system based on such a concept? Or, are you stating that human life is sacred, somehow, and that it should never be violated? This would sound like some sort of religious view. >>I mean, how reasonable is imprisonment, really, when you think about it? >>Sure, the person could be released if found innocent, but you still >>can't undo the imiprisonment that was served. Perhaps we shouldn't >>imprision people if we could watch them closely instead. The cost would >>probably be similar, especially if we just implanted some sort of >>electronic device. >Would you rather be alive in prison or dead in the chair? Once a criminal has committed a murder, his desires are irrelevant. And, you still have not answered my question. If you are concerned about the death penalty due to the possibility of the execution of an innocent, then why isn't this same concern shared with imprisonment. Shouldn't we, by your logic, administer as minimum as punishment as possible, to avoid violating the liberty or happiness of an innocent person? keith
1937
From: peter@memex.co.uk (Peter Ilieve) Subject: Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow Organization: Memex Information Systems Ltd, East Kilbrde, Scotland Lines: 70 Excerpts from the Clipper announcement, with some questions: > -- the ability of authorized officials to access telephone > calls and data, under proper court or other legal > order, when necessary to protect our citizens; >Q: Suppose a law enforcement agency is conducting a wiretap on > a drug smuggling ring and intercepts a conversation > encrypted using the device. What would they have to do to > decipher the message? > >A: They would have to obtain legal authorization, normally a > court order, to do the wiretap in the first place. They > would then present documentation of this authorization to > the two entities responsible for safeguarding the keys and > obtain the keys for the device being used by the drug > smugglers. The key is split into two parts, which are > stored separately in order to ensure the security of the key > escrow system. In these two sections the phrases `or other legal order' and `normally a court order' imply there is some other way or ways of doing a legal wiretap. What is/are these? How do they affect the way people who trust the system of court orders to protect them feel about this escrow system? The second section shows the sequence of events. The law enforcer, armed with his warrant, attaches his headphones to the line with his croc-clips (remember, these are the folk who couldn't cope with digital telephony) and hears a load of modem-like tones (we are talking analogue telephony here). What next? What modulation scheme do these Clipper boxes use? Is it possible to record the tones for use after the keys are obtained? I thought it was quite difficult to record a modem session at some intermediate point on the line. Maybe they have taken a crash course in data comms and have a unit that demodulates the tones and stores the digital stream for decryption later. This would still suffer from the same problems as trying to record the tones as the demodulator would not be at one end of the line. If calls can't be recorded for decryption later it would be quite easy to foil the system by buying lots of Clipper units (these are supposed to be cheap mass market items) and using them in turn. How tolerant is the modulation scheme to errors? These things are proposed for use by US corporations to secure their foreign offices, where phone line quality may well be poor. It seems hard enough to me to get digitised speech of any quality into something a modem can handle without having to add lots of error correction to keep the decryption in sync. >Q: Will the devices be exportable? Will other devices that use > the government hardware? > >A: Voice encryption devices are subject to export control > requirements. ... One of the > attractions of this technology is the protection it can give > to U.S. companies operating at home and abroad. With this > in mind, we expect export licenses will be granted on a > case-by-case basis for U.S. companies seeking to use these > devices to secure their own communications abroad. > ... This raises an intersting question in the UK. Here it is illegal to connect anything to a public telecomms network without it being approved by a body called BABT. It has been stated, either here or in the uk.telecom group, that they will not approve equipment that does encryption. I don't know if this is true or not, but this would make a good test case. Perhaps `friendly' countries, and the UK may still qualify, will get to fish in the escrowed key pool as well. Peter Ilieve peter@memex.co.uk
1938
From: essbaum@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Alexander Essbaum) Subject: Re: Speeding ticket from CHP Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM Nntp-Posting-Host: florida.rchland.ibm.com Organization: IBM Rochester Lines: 37 In article <dmatejkaC51DMB.LH6@netcom.com>, dmatejka@netcom.com (Daniel Matejka) writes: |> In article <1pq4t7$k5i@agate.berkeley.edu> downey@homer.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Allen B. Downey) writes: |> > Fight your ticket : California edition by David Brown 1st ed. |> > Berkeley, CA : Nolo Press, 1982 |> > |> >The second edition is out (but not in UCB's library). Good luck; let |> >us know how it goes. |> > |> Daniel Matejka writes: |> Can you beat this ticket? Personally, I think it's your Duty As a Citizen |> to make it as much trouble as possible for them, so maybe they'll Give Up |> and Leave Us Alone Someday Soon. |> The cop was certainly within his legal rights to nail you by guessing |> your speed. Mr. Brown (the author of Fight Your Ticket) mentions an |> Oakland judge who convicted a speeder "on the officer's testimony that |> the driver's car sounded like it was being driven at an excessive speed." *cough* *choke* WHAT?!? if a cop gave me a ticket for "sounding" like i was speeding i'd probably show up in court without a lawyer simply because "sounding" like speeding is ridiculous. if i was found guilty i'd appeal and then show up with a lawyer. if a cop doesn't do one of: VASCAR (from car or plane) RADAR, LIDAR, other electronic speed measuring device pace me and i'm within 15mph or so of the limit i'd go to court. i can accept a cop "seeing" me going excessively fast (like 25+ over the limit) but "he looked like he was going 70 or so in a 55 zone" is not "beyond a reasonable doubt". granted i may well lose the case but 70 in a 55 measured by eye??? take it to court for sure. axel
1939
From: siegfried_r@spcvxb.spc.edu Subject: Re: More on ADL spying case Organization: St. Peter's College, US Lines: 36 In article <ARENS.93Apr13161407@grl.ISI.EDU>, arens@ISI.EDU (Yigal Arens) writes: > Los Angeles Times, Tuesday, April 13, 1993. P. A1. > NEW DETAILS OF EXTENSIVE ADL SPY OPERATION EMERGE > SAN FRANCISCO -- To the outside world, Roy Bullock was a small-time > art dealer who operated from his house in the Castro District. In > reality, he was an undercover spy who picked through garbage and > amassed secret files for the Anti-Defamation League for nearly 40 > years. > ..... > The Anti-Defamation League, a self-described Jewish defense and civil > rights organization, acknowledges it has long collected information on > groups that are anti-Semitic, extremist or racist. The ADL's > fact-finding division, headed by Irwinn Suall in New York, enjoys a > reputation for thoroughness and has often shared its information with > police agencies and journalists. There is something almost comical in the fact that Yigal Arens is important enough to have the ADL and G-d knows who else sifting through his garbage (which happens to be legal; you throw it out, it ain't yours any more). This brings to mind a few possibilities other than the ADL connection: - it is all in Arens' mind. - Bullock may have been working for Arens' friend in the PLO - Arens' father (or is it brother?) Moshe Arens (former Israeli Defense Minister) was spying on him. - Arens hired Bullock to spy on him to get attention. In any case, who cares? Robert Siegfried Computer Science Dept. Saint Peter's College Jersey City, NJ 07306 siegfried_r@spcvxa.spc.edu
1940
From: jfw@ksr.com (John F. Woods) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Distribution: na Organization: Kendall Square Research Corp. Lines: 20 johnson@trwacs.fp.trw.com (Steve Johnson) writes: >>-Tim May, whose sig block may get him busted in the New Regime > A remark I heard the other day is beginning to take on increasingly >frightening significance. The comment was made that "In other parts >of the world the Democrats [note the big "D"] would be known as >Socialists" And in other parts of the world, European "Socialists" would be known as fascist capitalist pigs. Get your head out of your labels and think carefully for once: According to the EFF announcement on this thing, the NSA has been developing this turkey for *four* years. The manufacturing contract was let *14 months ago*. Anyone out there who believes that the fact that Clinton's name was on this White House announcement means that Bush or any other Republican is a staunch supporter of personal privacy is a fool. If this topic disturbs you, can the political finger-pointing and talk about what you can do about it. If you've just GOT to point fingers, remember that this scheme was STARTED when a secret policeman was President.
1941
From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) Subject: Re: New Study Out On Gay Percentage Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA Lines: 14 In article <1993Apr17.024646.28396@news.cs.brandeis.edu>, st923336@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (BLORT! eeeep! Hwaaah.) writes: > Wouldn't one expect more heterosexual men than gay men to be > promiscuous simply due to a larger group of potential partners? > > Just a thought. > > -Matt You might -- except that gay men are MUCH more promiscuous than straight men -- which shows how damaged and screwed up gay men are. -- Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine! Relations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all.
1942
From: as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Tree of Schnopia) Subject: Re: New Study Out On Gay Percentage Nntp-Posting-Host: uhura.cc.rochester.edu Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York Lines: 33 In <1993Apr16.200354.8045@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> rscharfy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ryan C Scharfy) writes: >>1) So what? >So there are less gays, then the gays claim. >>Don't forget that 25% had 20 or more partners.... >> >I was wondering why I wasn't getting laid. Your bad English? (See quote above.) >Actually, I bet you more gay/bi men are as not as promiscuous as gay men, >because more of them could have the "option" of living a straight life, and >with social pressures, probably would at least try. You'd lose that wager, if the supporting argument were part of it. >Did you know that is is a fact that homosexuality was comparatively high in >Hitler's storm troopers (SA) before he came to power. I wonder if they got to >put the triangles on themselves...... Did you know that Hitler himself was a devout Christian? And heterosexual? --Drywid -- ----bi Andrew D. Simchik SCHNOPIA! \ ---- as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu TreeWater \\ / \/ "Words Weren't Made For Cowards"--Happy Rhodes
1943
From: bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner) Subject: Re: Bill Conner: Nntp-Posting-Host: okcforum.osrhe.edu Organization: Okcforum Unix Users Group X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 6 Could you explain what any of this pertains to? Is this a position statement on something or typing practice? And why are you using my name, do you think this relates to anything I've said and if so, what. Bill
1944
From: agrino@enkidu.mic.cl (Andres Grino Brandt) Subject: Studies on Book of Mormon Distribution: world Organization: Orden del Lobo Estepario Reply-To: agrino@enkidu.mic.cl Lines: 20 Hi! I don't know much about Mormons, and I want to know about serious independent studies about the Book of Mormon. I don't buy the 'official' story about the gold original taken to heaven, but haven't read the Book of Mormon by myself (I have to much work learning Biblical Hebrew), I will appreciate any comment about the results of study in style, vocabulary, place-names, internal consistency, and so on. For example: There is evidence for one-writer or multiple writers? There are some mention about events, places, or historical persons later discovered by archeologist? Yours in Collen Andres Grino Brandt Casilla 14801 - Santiago 21 agrino@enkidu.mic.cl Chile No hay mas realidad que la realidad, y la razon es su profeta
1945
From: cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Dances With Federal Rangers) Subject: Re: BMW MOA members read this! Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 19 In article <1993Apr15.065731.23557@cs.cornell.edu> karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr) writes: [riveting BMWMOA election soap-opera details deleted] >Well, there doesn't seem to be any shortage of alternative candidates. >Obviously you're not voting for Mr. Vechorik, but what about the >others? I'm going to buy a BMW just to cast a vote for Groucho. Ride safe, ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Cliff Weston DoD# 0598 '92 Seca II (Tem) | | | | This bike is in excellent condition. | | I've done all the work on it myself. | | | | -- Glen "CRASH" Stone | ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
1946
From: gilham@csl.sri.com (Fred Gilham) Subject: Poem Organization: Computer Science Lab, SRI International, Menlo Park, CA. Lines: 145 The Sophomore (Romans 1:22) The sophomore says, ``What is truth?'' and turns to bask in the admiration of his peers. How modern how daring how liberating How modern how daring how liberating they chant The sophomore, being American Doesn't know That his ``question'' modern skeptical cynical Was asked before, by a modern skeptical cynical urbane cosmopolitan Politician (appointed not elected) Who happened to live two thousand years ago. Like many politicians he cared Less about ideals than results Less about ends than means Less about anything than keeping his job (and his head). We might call him A bit brutal Though `firm' would be kinder (And no doubt Stalin, who let nobody go, laughed at his laxness) He didn't like his job; perhaps he no longer hoped for better (Nor feared worse, except regarding his head). And when these wily Jews With their heads-I-win, tails-you-lose conundrums Brought forth their madman, His first impulse was to play the Roman: ``I find nothing wrong with him, See to it yourselves.'' But when they mentioned `King' and `Caesar' His heart froze. If he killed their madman He'd start a riot and lose his job (and his head) If he saved the King of the Jews He'd piss off Caesar and lose his job (and his head) And when his wife told him to have Nothing to do with the righteous lout She didn't tell him anything He hadn't already figured out. So he punted. ``Not my jurisdiction! Take him to see Herod!'' (who just happened to be in town....) Herod appreciated the courtesy But wasn't worried And sent the sharp-tongued fool (Who suddenly didn't have much to say, funny how people lose it under pressure....) back In the attire proper to his Royal State. His ass is covered---if Herod has no problem, Caesar certainly won't. The fool can be king of whatever world he wants as long as it's not Caesar's. ``I'm letting him go,'' he said with a shout. (Looks like he'll last this one out....) The crowd's reaction puzzled him. They really wanted him dead. They didn't want the King of the Jews, They wanted Barabbas instead (And, as Josephus records, they got him) Oh well, he thought, They all look the same to me. And we'll get Barabbas next time. And if I can get them to say ``We have no king but Caesar!'' By killing a madman, Hell, I'll kill ten a day. And then Pilate had his fun A little joke Short To the point Trilingual And all this Went as it always does When someone gets caught In the gears of government And there's a scientific explanation (no doubt) For the superstitious rumors (persisting to this day) That it didn't all end With a tomb and a Roman squadron on guard. Our sophomore doesn't know about this He doesn't recognize his kindred spirit (Or truth either, as he admits). I guess we haven't learned much in two thousand years. -- -Fred Gilham gilham@csl.sri.com "Peace is only better than war when it's not hell too. War being hell makes sense." -Walker Percy, THE SECOND COMING
1947
From: toml@boulder.parcplace.com (Tom LaStrange) Subject: Re: Forcing a window manager to accept specific coordinates for a window Organization: ParcPlace Boulder Lines: 29 In article <C5xxq0.18M@cs.columbia.edu> ethan@cs.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita) writes: >In article <BADING.93Apr23105229@athene.cs.tu-berlin.de> bading@cs.tu-berlin.de (Tobias 'Doping' Bading) writes: >> >>I know that the mwm has an resource to specify if positions are to be used for >>the border of a window or for the "user" window. Maybe other window managers >>have similar options. >>Another way to figure out the difference between the "user" window position >>and the window manager decoration window position is to subtract their >>positions. You just have to use XQueryTree and remember that the window manager >>decorations window is the parent of your window. Unfortunately, you can only >>figure out the decoration width and height after the window has been mapped >>this way. >> > Another way would be to use GetGeometry to find out where >you are relative to the frame, and TranslateCoordinates to find >out where your window's upperleft corner really is. As I've said before, there's no reliable way to find out the size of the window manager decoration. If your window has been reparented, you can't assume that the window you're parented to is the window that holds all of the window manager decoration. There may be several layers of windows. Doing multiple XQueryTree's until you get to the root will work in most cases, but there's no guarantee that the outside decoration window is parented to the root window of the display (tvtwm). -- Tom LaStrange toml@boulder.ParcPlace.COM
1948
From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar) Subject: Re: Camping question? Nntp-Posting-Host: bmdhh299 Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 46 Sanjay Sinha, on the 12 Apr 93 00:23:19 GMT wibbled: : Thanks to everyone who posted in my previous quest for camping info.. : Another question. : Well, not strictly r.m. stuff : I am looking for a thermos/flask to keep coffee hot. I mean real : hot! Of course it must be the unbreakable type. So far, what ever : metal type I have wasted money on has not matched the vacuum/glass : type. : Any info appreciated. : Sanjay Back in my youth (ahem) the wiffy and moi purchased a gadget which heated up water from a 12V source. It was for car use but we thought we'd try it on my RD350B. It worked OK apart from one slight problem: we had to keep the revs above 7000. Any lower and the motor would die from lack of electron movement. It made for interesting cups of coffee, anyhow. We would plot routes that contained straights of over three miles so that we had sufficient time to get the water to boiling point. This is sometimes difficult in England. Good luck on your quest. -- Nick (the Biker) DoD 1069 Concise Oxford M'Lud. ___ ___ ___ ___ {"_"} {"_"} {"_"} {"_"} Nick Pettefar, Contractor@Large. ' ` ` ' ' ` ` ' Currently incarcerated at BNR, ___ ___ ___ ___ Maidenhead, The United Kingdom. |"_"| |"_"| |"_"| |"_"| npet@bnr.ca '86 BMW K100RS "Kay" ` ' ' ` ` ' ' ` Pres. PBWASOH(UK), BS 0002 . _ _ _ __ . / ~ ~~\ | / ~~ \ |_______| [_______| _:_ |___|
1949
From: robertsa@unix2.tcd.ie (Andrew L. Roberts) Subject: What does the .bmp format mean? Nntp-Posting-Host: unix2.tcd.ie Organization: Trinity College, Dublin Lines: 7 What exactly does the windows bitmap format look like? I mean, how is the data stored: width, height, no. of colours, bitmap data? I couldn't find anything in ths user manual, is there any other reference material which would give me this information? Thanks, Andrew
1950
From: wcs@anchor.ho.att.com (Bill Stewart +1-908-949-0705) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Organization: Your typical phone company involved in your typical daydream Distribution: na In-Reply-To: brad@clarinet.com's message of 17 Apr 93 06:13:26 GMT <1993Apr17.061326.16130@clarinet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: rainier.ho.att.com Lines: 21 In article <1993Apr17.061326.16130@clarinet.com> brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) writes: Once it hits land you can record it if you have telco access. The telco isn't supposed to give that without a warrant. That's the rule today. But even so, the evidence would not be admissible, I think, unless the judge so ordered. I think that even interception of the crypttext without a warrant would be illegal. Cops can't record today's plain cellular calls and then ask a judge, "Hey, can we have permission to listen to those tapes?" can they? How long do you think it will be before it becomes legal for the police to record encrypted conversations "It's not violating your privacy because we can't read the encryption without a warrant", with the usual good-faith exception if they accidentally record a non-encrypted conversation. Besides, it's covered by the Drug Exception to the Fourth Amendment... -- # Pray for peace; Bill # Bill Stewart 1-908-949-0705 wcs@anchor.att.com AT&T Bell Labs 4M312 Holmdel NJ # No, I'm *from* New Jersey, I only *work* in cyberspace.... # White House Commect Line 1-202-456-1111 fax 1-202-456-2461
1951
From: hedrick@geneva.rutgers.edu (Charles Hedrick) Subject: Re: Xsun not running on SPARCclassic Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Lines: 24 herzog@dogwalk.Eng.Sun.COM (Brian Herzog - SunSoft Product Engineering) writes: >I'm just guessing here, but I'd guess that X11R5 expects the CG3 to have >1152x900 resolution, and the version of the CG3 in the SPARCclassic is >1024x768. I've used X11R5 with classics set for both 1024x768 and 1152x900 (you can choose which resolution you want in the PROM monitor before booting). One person had trouble with X11R5 that was fixed by using the multi-screen version. Here's how our version was built. (You can just copy /usr/local/X11R5/bin/Xsun from farside.rutgers.edu if you just want to see whether this version will work.) R5 distribution installed, from pub/R5/mit-[1-4] and contrib-[1-3] on export.lcs.mit.edu patches 1 - 23 installed, from pub/R5/fixes on export R5 Xsun Multi-screen patches installed, from contrib/R5.Xsun.multi-screen* on export, 22-Mar-93 Solaris 2.1 patches installed, release 1/update 2, from contrib/R5.SunOS5.patch* on export, 22-Mar-93 Compilation is with gcc 2.3.3. Configuration is standard, except that the root is /usr/local/X11R5, per Rutgers conventions.
1952
Subject: Re: New Hudson 1929 questions From: emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca Distribution: world Organization: Robert Smits Lines: 33 davide@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Dave Edmondson) writes: > Dave Tharp CDS (davet@interceptor.cds.tek.com) wrote: > : In article <kmR91B1w164w@ham.almanac.bc.ca> emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca writes: > : > > : >One of their main designers, Bert Le Vack, broke many records at > : >Brooklands in the late '20's. > > : In the early 20's Bert Le Vack set records on INDIANS, including > : 107.5 MPH at Brooklands in November of 1921, on a 61 in^3 Powerplus > : racing model. > > Must have been a busy lad, he was also a tuner and all round guru at JAP and > worked with George Brough. > > Can someone post me details of "The illustrated Ecyclopedia of Motorcycles", > sounds like a book I ought to have a copy of. > Sure, I can. The Illustrated Encyclopedia of Motorcycles, edited by Erwin Tragatsch, was published by The Hamlyn Publishing Group Limited, Astronaut House, Hounslow Road, Feltham, Middlesex, England. It was first published in 1977, and mine was reprinted in 1978. Cost then was Pounds 5.95 in the UK, though I paid 18.50 for it in Canadian dollars. I have no idea whether it's still in print. Perhaps you could let the net know. Bob. Robert Smits Ladysmith BC | If Lucas built weapons, wars emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca | would never start, either.
1953
From: d2cheng@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (Dominic Cheng) Subject: Re: Centris Cache & Bernoulli Box Organization: University of Waterloo Lines: 7 You will need Driver ver 3.5.2 to work with Quadra/Centris. You can download it from iomega BBS: 1-801-778-4400 -- Dominic Cheng (d2cheng@descartes.uwaterloo.ca) Computer Science, University of Waterloo, Ontario, Canada
1954
From: crypt-comments@math.ncsu.edu Subject: Cryptography FAQ 03/10 - Basic Cryptology Organization: The Crypt Cabal Lines: 187 Expires: 22 May 1993 04:00:07 GMT Reply-To: crypt-comments@math.ncsu.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: pad-thai.aktis.com Summary: Part 3 of 10 of the sci.crypt FAQ, Basic Cryptology. Definitions of basic terms. Beginner references. Cryptanalysis and theoretical/practical strength of ciphers. X-Last-Updated: 1993/04/16 Archive-name: cryptography-faq/part03 Last-modified: 1993/4/15 FAQ for sci.crypt, part 3: Basic Cryptology This is the third of ten parts of the sci.crypt FAQ. The parts are mostly independent, but you should read the first part before the rest. We don't have the time to send out missing parts by mail, so don't ask. Notes such as ``[KAH67]'' refer to the reference list in the last part. The sections of this FAQ are available via anonymous FTP to rtfm.mit.edu as /pub/usenet/news.answers/cryptography-faq/part[xx]. The Cryptography FAQ is posted to the newsgroups sci.crypt, sci.answers, and news.answers every 21 days. Contents: * What is cryptology? Cryptography? Plaintext? Ciphertext? Encryption? Key? * What references can I start with to learn cryptology? * How does one go about cryptanalysis? * What is a brute-force search and what is its cryptographic relevance? * What are some properties satisfied by every strong cryptosystem? * If a cryptosystem is theoretically unbreakable, then is it guaranteed analysis-proof in practice? * Why are many people still using cryptosystems that are relatively easy to break? * What is cryptology? Cryptography? Plaintext? Ciphertext? Encryption? Key? The story begins: When Julius Caesar sent messages to his trusted acquaintances, he didn't trust the messengers. So he replaced every A by a C, every B by a D, and so on through the alphabet. Only someone who knew the ``shift by 2'' rule could decipher his messages. A cryptosystem or cipher system is a method of disguising messages so that only certain people can see through the disguise. Cryptography is the art of creating and using cryptosystems. Cryptanalysis is the art of breaking cryptosystems---seeing through the disguise even when you're not supposed to be able to. Cryptology is the study of both cryptography and cryptanalysis. The original message is called a plaintext. The disguised message is called a ciphertext. Encryption means any procedure to convert plaintext into ciphertext. Decryption means any procedure to convert ciphertext into plaintext. A cryptosystem is usually a whole collection of algorithms. The algorithms are labelled; the labels are called keys. For instance, Caesar probably used ``shift by n'' encryption for several different values of n. It's natural to say that n is the key here. The people who are supposed to be able to see through the disguise are called recipients. Other people are enemies, opponents, interlopers, eavesdroppers, or third parties. * What references can I start with to learn cryptology? For an introduction to technical matter, the survey articles given in part 10 are the best place to begin as they are, in general, concise, authored by competent people, and well written. However, these articles are mostly concerned with cryptology as it has developed in the last 50 years or so, and are more abstract and mathematical than historical. The Codebreakers by Kahn [KAH67] is encyclopedic in its history and technical detail of cryptology up to the mid-60's. Introductory cryptanalysis can be learned from Gaines [GAI44] or Sinkov [SIN66]. This is recommended especially for people who want to devise their own encryption algorithms since it is a common mistake to try to make a system before knowing how to break one. The selection of an algorithm for the DES drew the attention of many public researchers to problems in cryptology. Consequently several textbooks and books to serve as texts have appeared. The book of Denning [DEN82] gives a good introduction to a broad range of security including encryption algorithms, database security, access control, and formal models of security. Similar comments apply to the books of Price & Davies [PRI84] and Pfleeger [PFL89]. The books of Konheim [KON81] and Meyer & Matyas [MEY82] are quite technical books. Both Konheim and Meyer were directly involved in the development of DES, and both books give a thorough analysis of DES. Konheim's book is quite mathematical, with detailed analyses of many classical cryptosystems. Meyer and Matyas concentrate on modern cryptographic methods, especially pertaining to key management and the integration of security facilities into computer systems and networks. The books of Rueppel [RUE86] and Koblitz [KOB89] concentrate on the application of number theory and algebra to cryptography. * How does one go about cryptanalysis? Classical cryptanalysis involves an interesting combination of analytical reasoning, application of mathematical tools, pattern finding, patience, determination, and luck. The best available textbooks on the subject are the Military Cryptanalytics series [FRIE1]. It is clear that proficiency in cryptanalysis is, for the most part, gained through the attempted solution of given systems. Such experience is considered so valuable that some of the cryptanalyses performed during WWII by the Allies are still classified. Modern public-key cryptanalysis may consist of factoring an integer, or taking a discrete logarithm. These are not the traditional fare of the cryptanalyst. Computational number theorists are some of the most successful cryptanalysts against public key systems. * What is a brute-force search and what is its cryptographic relevance? In a nutshell: If f(x) = y and you know y and can compute f, you can find x by trying every possible x. That's brute-force search. Example: Say a cryptanalyst has found a plaintext and a corresponding ciphertext, but doesn't know the key. He can simply try encrypting the plaintext using each possible key, until the ciphertext matches---or decrypting the ciphertext to match the plaintext, whichever is faster. Every well-designed cryptosystem has such a large key space that this brute-force search is impractical. Advances in technology sometimes change what is considered practical. For example, DES, which has been in use for over 10 years now, has 2^56, or about 10^17, possible keys. A computation with this many operations was certainly unlikely for most users in the mid-70's. The situation is very different today given the dramatic decrease in cost per processor operation. Massively parallel machines threaten the security of DES against brute force search. Some scenarios are described by Garron and Outerbridge [GAR91]. One phase of a more sophisticated cryptanalysis may involve a brute-force search of some manageably small space of possibilities. * What are some properties satisfied by every strong cryptosystem? The security of a strong system resides with the secrecy of the key rather than with an attempt to keep the algorithm itself secret. A strong cryptosystem has a large keyspace, as mentioned above. The unicity distance is a measure which gives the minimum amount of ciphertext that must be intercepted to uniquely identify the key and if for some key, the unicity distance is much longer than the amount of ciphertext you intend to encrypt under that key, the system is probably strong. A strong cryptosystem will certainly produce ciphertext which appears random to all standard statistical tests (see, for example, [CAE90]). A strong cryptosystem will resist all known previous attacks. A system which has never been subjected to scrutiny is suspect. If a system passes all the tests mentioned above, is it necessarily strong? Certainly not. Many weak cryptosystems looked good at first. However, sometimes it is possible to show that a cryptosystem is strong by mathematical proof. ``If Joe can break this system, then he can also solve the well-known difficult problem of factoring integers.'' See part 6. Failing that, it's a crap shoot. * If a cryptosystem is theoretically unbreakable, then is it guaranteed analysis-proof in practice? Cryptanalytic methods include what is known as ``practical cryptanalysis'': the enemy doesn't have to just stare at your ciphertext until he figures out the plaintext. For instance, he might assume ``cribs''---stretches of probable plaintext. If the crib is correct then he might be able to deduce the key and then decipher the rest of the message. Or he might exploit ``isologs''---the same plaintext enciphered in several cryptosystems or several keys. Thus he might obtain solutions even when cryptanalytic theory says he doesn't have a chance. Sometimes, cryptosystems malfunction or are misused. The one-time pad, for example, loses all security if it is used more than once! Even chosen-plaintext attacks, where the enemy somehow feeds plaintext into the encryptor until he can deduce the key, have been employed. See [KAH67]. * Why are many people still using cryptosystems that are relatively easy to break? Some don't know any better. Often amateurs think they can design secure systems, and are not aware of what an expert cryptanalyst could do. And sometimes there is insufficient motivation for anybody to invest the work needed to crack a system.
1955
From: steve-b@access.digex.com (Steve Brinich) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 5 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net Agreed. This is like the Bay of Pigs fiasco (planned by the Eisenhower Administration but given the final green light by Kennedy). To be sure, hen it all went down, Kennedy was at least man enough to take full responsibility, which is not what I expect from Slick Willie Clinton....
1956
From: jodfishe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (joseph dale fisher) Subject: Re: Cell Church discussion group Organization: Indiana University Lines: 5 Then by that definition, I would be in a cell church only here at IU, not when the whole group gets together at Indianapolis (>950 every week in attendance). Joe Fisher
1957
From: pmontan@nswc-wo.navy.mil (Paul Montanaro) Subject: Re: IIci -> Q700 upgrade? Organization: NSWC Lines: 44 In article <1993Apr15.164053.29298@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu>, dudek@daeron.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (Gregory Dudek) wrote: > > In article <C5HA0x.11oq@austin.ibm.com> $LOGIN@austin.ibm.com writes: > > > >A while ago I posted a note asking for specs on the Quadra 700, and opinions on > >the Q700 upgrade of a IIci vs. an accelerator card. So far no responsed that > >I've noticed. Please let me know what you think of these possible upgrade > >paths: Cost, efficiency, pros/cons, etc.. Thanks! > > Complete Q700 are best obtained from your dealer or some recent > copy of MacWorld or MacUser. My foggy memory suggests that the most relevant > comparison factors vis-a-vis a IIci are as follows: > > 25 MHz 68040 > 16 Mhz data path (don't recall this for sure, but it's slower > than Q 950 style machines for sure). > Ethertalk card on-board > Audio in/out > 4 MB RAM on motherboard > 4 SIMM slots > 2 NuBus slots. > More flexible build-in video than the CI. Uses VRAM. > > In comparison, a IIci with an accelerator won't give you > audio or ethernet or the same video options. > With a 68040 accelerator, CPU performance can be comparable but I > think it ends up costing more. > > Greg Dudek Actually, an accelerator such as the Daystar 33 MHz 68040 is cheaper than upgrading to a Q700 (25 MHz). The accelerator costs about $1400 whereas the upgrade costs $2131 (just quoted from my dealer). However the Q700 upgrade gives you very fast built in video that supports monitors up to 21" with 8 bit depth and up to 16" at 24 bit depth (with additional VRAM). It also has a SCSI port capable of a much faster throughput than the CI, which makes a big difference if you have a fast hard drive. If the improved video and SCSI features are important to you, you're better off getting the Q700 upgrade, otherwise save some money and get an accelerator. Paul
1958
From: mike@hopper.Virginia.EDU (Michael Chapman) Subject: Re: 4-plane Xterminal (Do I want one?) Keywords: plane, Xterminal Organization: ITC/UVA Community Access UNIX/Internet Project Lines: 12 In article <C63srv.57w@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> chudel@watarts.uwaterloo.ca (Chris Hudel) writes: > > >PS: all R5 apps run on R4/R3 servers,right? The 4-bit server should work fine. As far as I know, Xterminals running older versions can run the latest apps as long as the host machine has the R5 libraries installed. I could be wrong though. -- mike@hopper.acs.virginia.edu "I will NOT raise taxes on the middle class." -Unknown
1959
From: jartsu@hut.fi (Jartsu) Subject: Good display card for 14" multisync? Nntp-Posting-Host: lk-hp-20.hut.fi Reply-To: jartsu@vipunen.hut.fi Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland Lines: 20 Hi there! I wonder if anyone knows and can recommend me a good NuBus display card for driving a 14" multisync (NEC 3D)? The NEC 3D can do horizontal refresh from 15.5 kHz to 38 kHz and vertical from 50 Hz to 90 Hz and can do max 1024x768 interlaced, though I am looking for something more like 800x600 or 832x624 noninterlaced. It would be very nice to find a card which can be programmed quite freely within these limits and is capable to display at least 8bits/pixel, preferably more. Is there anything on the market that comes even close? Thanks -- Jartsu
1960
From: ry01@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ROBERT YUNG) Subject: How long do monitors last???? Article-I.D.: ns1.1993Apr5.200422.65952 Organization: Lehigh University Lines: 21 Well, my 14inch VGA 1024x758-interlacing 2.5 year old no brand monitor just bit the bullet. I pressed the power switch and a few seconds later, the power light went out with a POP. Gawd, it's only been two and half years. How long would normal monitors last? I think the problem with my monitor is the power switch... but the image was getting pretty dim anyway (I needed to have my contrast all the way to the max...). And the screen did flicker from time to time. Is this normal (hehehe) or do I just have the worst of luck??? Question: What do I do now???? Buy a new one? Get it fixed? Save up for a *really* good one and get by with a cheap EGA monitor for now? I rather save my money to upgrade my 386SX to 486-66 though... Thanks! -- =============================================================================== What engineers say: Extensive effort is being applied on a fresh approach to the problem. What they *really* mean: We just hired three new guys; we'll let them kick it around for a while. ==================(Robert) Bobby Yung_____RY01@Lehigh.Edu======================
1961
From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) Subject: Re: Ban All Firearms ! Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc. Lines: 34 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: dale.handheld.com In article <1993Apr14.183025.29688@sco.com> allanh@sco.COM (Allan J. Heim) writes: > > papresco@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod): > > >Drugs are banned, please tell me when this supply will dry up? > > Drugs are easier to manufacture, easier to smuggle, easier to hide. > No comparison. > > Then let's use another example--alcoholic beverages. Bottles of whiskey > are larger, heavier, and more fragile than bags of drugs. Barrels and > kegs are larger and heavier still, and are difficult to manipulate. > Yet, a lot of people managed to get very rich off of the smuggling of > booze into this country during the years of Prohibition. There was a > demand, so an entire industry formed to supply it. I beleive this was the source of the Kennedy clan's money. > > So unless there's something I'm missing, I think your argument that guns > won't be smuggled because theyr'e more difficult to manufacture, smuggle > and hide won't wash. If enough people want something, somebody will try > to supply it. > -- > Allan J. Heim allanh@sco.COM ...!uunet!sco!allanh +1 408 427 7813 Jim -- jmd@handheld.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "I'm always rethinking that. There's never been a day when I haven't rethought that. But I can't do that by myself." Bill Clinton 6 April 93 "If I were an American, as I am an Englishman, while a foreign troop was landed in my country, I never would lay down my arms,-never--never--never!" WILLIAM PITT, EARL OF CHATHAM 1708-1778 18 Nov. 1777
1962
From: jmeritt@mental.MITRE.ORG (Jim Meritt - System Admin) Subject: Identity crisis (God == Satan?) Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu II SAMUEL 24: And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Isreal and Judah. I CHRONICLES 21: And SATAN stood up against Isreal, and provoked David to number Israel.
1963
From: wdwells@nyx.cs.du.edu (David "Fuzzy" Wells) Subject: Re: Space Debris Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci. Lines: 6 >There is a guy in NASA Johnson Space Center that might answer >your question. I do not have his name right now but if you follow >up I can dig that out for you. Keesler, Loftus, Potter, Stansbery, Kubriek....?
1964
From: un026300@wvnvms.wvnet.edu Subject: Re: How to beat the Pens Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing Lines: 6 You can't. But good luck trying. Jim
1965
From: icop@csa.bu.edu (Antonio Pera) Subject: ABC coverage Distribution: usa Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA Lines: 9 Originator: icop@csa I loved the ABC coverage. The production was excellent. The appearance was excellent. It had a sleek modern look. This was the first time I heard Thorne & Clement & I thought they were great. My only request is to leave Al Micheals out of this. He annoys me. I'm hoping this leads to a regular-season contract. My guess would be is that it will be roughly a weekly game from Feb.-April and then the playoffs. I envy you Canadians with your TSN & CBC. Maybe I'll get a dish to pick up Canadian TV. How much are those things, BTW?
1966
From: blast@nntp.crl.com (Tim Keanini) Subject: Mac SCSI spec? Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: crl.com I have a MacIIFX and I know that it is wired about its SCSI chain. I just bought a drive and I need to find out a few hardcore SCSI question: Does the IIFX SCSI chain want to see active or passive termination? Does the IIFX SCSI spec want me to enable the initiation of the SDTR message? WHat does the IIFX SCSI spec want as far as parity checking? These are some very good questions for the FAQ. If someone does not have time to answer these questions but does know where I can look them up please let me know and I will repost the answers for everyone to see. thanks, Tim Keanini <timk@broder.com> or <blast@crl.com> Sound Engineer Broderbund Software
1967
From: anderge@stein.u.washington.edu (Geoff Anderson) Subject: Re: Fenway Gif Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu In article <C5JB3D.9nt@umassd.edu> acsddc@smucs1.umassd.edu writes: >I was wondering if anyone had any kind of Fenway Park gif. >I would appreciate it if someone could send me one. >Thanks in advance. > >-Dan Me too! I would like any park or action gif or jpeg about baseball. Geoff
1968
From: dealy@narya.gsfc.nasa.gov (Brian Dealy - CSC) Subject: Re: XWindows always opaque Organization: NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center Lines: 57 Distribution: comp NNTP-Posting-Host: narya.gsfc.nasa.gov Keywords: xwindow, parent-child relation Originator: dealy@narya.gsfc.nasa.gov In article <hess.734959172@swt1>, hess@swt1.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Hauke Hess) writes: |> Hi, |> |> I wonder if it is possible for a parent window to paint over the area of |> its childs. If it is not, then how could it be possible to implement a |> rubberband across multiple xwindows to select the objects that are |> displayed one in each window? |> |> Hauke |> If you specify the rootwindow when you are creating your GC. You may use Xlib to draw over multiple windows. I have an application that does something similar for rubber banding. curs_move = XCreateFontCursor (disp_data, XC_crosshair); geom_vals.foreground = blck_pixl ^ grey_dark; geom_vals.plane_mask = AllPlanes; geom_vals.line_width = 0; geom_vals.function = GXxor; geom_vals.subwindow_mode = IncludeInferiors; evnt_mask= GCForeground | GCPlaneMask | GCLineWidth | GCFunction | GCSubwindowMode; geom_gcon= XCreateGC (disp_data, root_iden, evnt_mask, &geom_vals); later I can move the rubber band or bands using the following logic /**********************************************************************/ void Tselect::move_bands (int delt_xloc, int delt_yloc) /****/ stuff deleted ... XDrawRectangle (disp_data, root_iden, geom_gcon, sele_pntr->rootx, sele_pntr->rooty, sele_pntr->xlnth, sele_pntr->ylnth); undraw old one sele_pntr->papax+= delt_xloc; sele_pntr->papay+= delt_yloc; sele_pntr->rootx+= delt_xloc; sele_pntr->rooty+= delt_yloc; XDrawRectangle (disp_data, root_iden, geom_gcon, sele_pntr->rootx, sele_pntr->rooty, sele_pntr->xlnth, sele_pntr->ylnth); draw new one more stuff deleted hope this helps -- Brian Dealy |301-572-8267| It not knowing where it's at dealy@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov | | that's important,it's knowing !uunet!dftsrv!kong!dealy | | where it's not at... B.Dylan -- Brian Dealy |301-572-8267| It not knowing where it's at dealy@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov | | that's important,it's knowing !uunet!dftsrv!kong!dealy | | where it's not at... B.Dylan
1969
From: hagins@avlin8.us.dg.com (Jody Hagins) Subject: O's lose openr at home to Rangers Reply-To: hagins@avlin8.us.dg.com Organization: Data General Corporation, Linthicum, MD Lines: 11 Sutcliffe gives up 3 HRs (Gonzales 1, Palmer 2) and Mills gives up 1 HR (Gonzales) to lose 7-4. Sutcliffe Texas 7 10 0 Lefferts 1-0 Baltimore 4 9 0 Sutcliffe 0-1 -- Jody Hagins -- hagins@avlin8.us.dg.com Data General Corporation, Linthicum, MD
1970
From: jhesse@netcom.com (John Hesse) Subject: Re: Secret algorithm [Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow] Keywords: encryption, wiretap, clipper, key-escrow, Mykotronx Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 34 In article <1qnupd$jpm@news.intercon.com> amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) writes: >jhesse@netcom.com (John Hesse) writes: >> Oh great. Wonderful news. Nobody can listen in--except the feds. > >Hey, it's better than the status quo. > >I am far less worried about "the feds" tapping my phone than high school >scanner surfers who get their kicks out of eavesdropping on cellular and >cordless phone calls. > Really? Why are so you worried about high school kids "getting their kicks" with scanners, as compared to what the feds can do, and have done, to their targets? "Better than the status quo" isn't good enough, I'd say. The same technology could be implemented WITHOUT a back door open to the state. We all know about power and corruption. But we all know that abuse is something that only happens to the other guy. > >Amanda Walker >InterCon Systems Corporation > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ John Hesse | A man, jhesse@netcom.com | a plan, Moss Beach, Calif | a canal, Bob. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1971
From: mjones@watson.ibm.com (Mike Jones) Subject: Re: So Far , So Good (THE RED SOX) Reply-To: mjones@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM. Nntp-Posting-Host: fenway.aix.kingston.ibm.com Organization: IBM AIX/ESA Development, Kingston NY Lines: 68 ec003b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Wizard) writes: >I have posted two new postings on the net, since I discovered how to use it, >and both times I received redicule for predicting the Red Sox as high as >Third in the AL East. Id like to hear why it is people dont think the Sox >can be as high as Third this year. Here are some of my observations: Well, had you been a bit less exuberant in both the tone and substance of your predictions, the responses would probably have been a bit more measured. Be that as it may.... >1. Roger and Frank are in vintage form, and the Sox are rresponding to them. Clemens is always in this form, and Viola isn't really performing beyond what might reasonably have been expected. How do you know that the Sox are responding to them, and not to Al Bumbry, Hobson, or (my most likely suspect) new hitting coach Mike Easler? I certainly am more likely to give Easler credit for Mo Vaughhn's hot start than Clemens or Viola. >2. Greenwell is hitting as he did before his injuries. This was the optimistic scenario, but not unreasonably so. He hasn't shown much power yet, though. >3. Dawson is providing the leadership and some hitting they need from him. How can you tell that Dawson is providing the leadership? Perhaps it's Calderon? Perhaps it's Clemens and Viola? Maybe Hobson is finally showing those people skills he was supposed to have when they hired him. Or maybe it's all a myth. And Dawson has been hitting reasonably well, but not as well as Greenwell, Vaughn, Cooper, or Fletcher. >4. Russell is finishing well. In three games. Why don't we look at this one again in, say, July? >5. Fletcher is hitting well as a leadoff hitter. A bit better than could reasonably have been expected. But don't forget that Zupcic looked like Wade Boggs lite for about 75 AB's last year. Beware of small sample sizes. Still, if Fletcher hits as well as he did last year he'd be a great improvement over any Sox leadoff hitter from last year. Be aware that his career numbers seem to indicate that he puts up good numbers as long as he doesn't have to make more than 300 AB or so in a year. >6. Cooper is hitting well (I think he'll be better then Boggs in the field >and just as good at the plate) Ummm...sorry, no. I can buy the "in the field" part, and I think he'll be better at the plate than the 1992 Boggs, but in general Cooper, while he'll be a pretty good hitter, couldn't carry Boggs' jockstrap. With a little luck, he could be the fourth or fifth best 3B in the AL (Martinez, Boggs, Ventura, and Palmer will all be better). >If the sox Pitch like last year (they have a better pitchiong staff, now) >and hit like they are so far, they coiuld run away with thee division. but >since I think that their hitting and pitching may not be up to the challenge >of running away with the division, I think that they win be over .500 and at >least Third if not Second or First. See, here is where you make that quick left turn off into the aether. .500 is plausible, third is not unlikely, but phrases like "could run away with the division" are likely to get you a visit from the men in the white coats. It's not really clear that their staff is better than last year. If Russell does well, Darwin doesn't go on the DL, and Hesketh doesn't pitch just barely well enough to avoid losing his spot in the rotation, they could be better. On the other hand, if Hesketh pitches miserably and they're too stupid to move him to the pen and bring up Conroy or somebody, Fossas continues to pitch dismally but they keep giving him innings becasue he's a lefty, and Russell explodes they could be pretty bad. Mike Jones | AIX High-End Development | mjones@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com God is a comedian playing to an audience that is afraid to laugh. - Mark Twain
1972
From: ss6349@csc.albany.edu (Steven H. Schimmrich) Subject: Looking for Christians in Urbana, Illinois... Distribution: usa Organization: Department of Geological Sciences, SUNY at Albany Lines: 12 I apologize if this post isn't entirely appropriate for the newsgroup. I would like to correspond with any Christians attending the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. I will be transfering there in August to complete my Ph.D. and I thought it would be nice to correspond with people before I moved out. -- Steven H. Schimmrich Department of Geological Sciences "Non semper ss6349@csc.albany.edu State University of New York at Albany ea sunt quae ss6349@albnyvms.bitnet Albany, New York 12222 (518) 442-4466 videntur."
1973
From: cudep@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Ian Dickinson) Subject: Re: SVR4.x binary dists (was Re: RFD: to create comp.unix.sys5.univel) Organization: Team Limpid's Meathead With Aptitude - Kunst und Wahnsinn Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: spatula.csv.warwick.ac.uk In article <rick.734610425@digibd> rick@digibd.digibd.com (Rick Richardson) writes: >The other scary thing is that I ship libxcl.so with the 6 functions >in it; how many other libxcl.so type libraries will be shipped by >other vendors? Should I trademark the name libxcl.a? What if >some clown uses that name and only puts 4 of the troublesome >functions in it? Does USL SVR4 support LD_RUN_PATH a la Solaris 2? Or an equivalent? If so, you can put the library in a package specific lib directory, compile the app with LD_RUN_PATH defined, and all should work. Besides, I'd say name it libPACKAGExcl.a if possible. Cheers, -- \/ato - Ian Dickinson - NIC handle: ID17 This article is dedicated to vato@csv.warwick.ac.uk ...!uknet!warwick!vato those who disapprove but /I=I/S=Dickinson/OU=CSV/O=Warwick/PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/ continue to @c=GB@o=University of Warwick@ou=Computing Services@cn=Ian Dickinson read
1974
From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) Subject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc. Lines: 22 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: dale.handheld.com In article <93109.172450U28037@uicvm.uic.edu> Jason Kratz [...] > It is kind of funny though how you were the only one who picked up > the part about my sister being a social worker and keeping me up to date on the > gang thing. Everyone else seemed to just skim by that part. > > Jason I guess that just means "Everyone else" was mistaken? Jim -- jmd@handheld.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "I'm always rethinking that. There's never been a day when I haven't rethought that. But I can't do that by myself." Bill Clinton 6 April 93 "If I were an American, as I am an Englishman, while a foreign troop was landed in my country, I never would lay down my arms,-never--never--never!" WILLIAM PITT, EARL OF CHATHAM 1708-1778 18 Nov. 1777
1975
From: betz@gozer.idbsu.edu (Andrew Betz) Subject: Re: BATF/FBI Murders Almost Everyone in Waco Today! 4/19 Nntp-Posting-Host: gozer Organization: SigSauer Fan Club Lines: 31 In article <C5rynw.Iz8@news.udel.edu> roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes: >And I suppose the FBI also prevented them from coming out with their >hands up while national tv cameras watch. > Watch from where? Two miles away? Far enough away that whatever really happenned must be explained through the vengeful filter of a humiliated agency that said (quote!) "Enough is enough." >scenario that is simplest and most plausible. I do not generally >believe in conspiracy theories that involve complicated and unlikely >scenarios. The FBI sent letters to Martin Luther King's wife insinuating that MLK was having an affair! Again, please tell us exactly how much you trust our supposedly benevolent government. >The BATF is by no means devoid of fault in the handling of this affair. >But to suggest that they may have intentionally started the fire is >ludicrous. I suspect that there were plenty of camerapeople willing to risk small arms fire to get some good footage. These people were told to get the hell out of camera range. Why? Drew -- betz@gozer.idbsu.edu *** brought into your terminal from the free state of idaho *** *** when you outlaw rights, only outlaws will have rights *** *** spook fodder: fema, nsa, clinton, gore, insurrection, nsc, semtex, neptunium, terrorist, cia, mi5, mi6, kgb, deuterium
1976
From: pspod@bigbird.lerc.nasa.gov (Steve Podleski) Subject: Re: Founding Father questions Nntp-Posting-Host: bigbird.lerc.nasa.gov Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center [Cleveland, Ohio] Lines: 21 arc@cco.caltech.edu (Aaron Ray Clements) writes: >Wasn't she the one making the comment in '88 about George being born with >a silver foot in his mouth? Sounds like another damn politician to me. > >Ain't like the old days in Texas anymore. The politicians may have been >corrupt then, but at least they'd take a stand. (My apologies to a few >exceptions I can think of.) > >News now is that the House may already have a two-thirds majority, so >her "opposition" out of her concern for image (she's even said this >publicly) may not matter. Do people expect the Texans congressmen to act as the N.J. Republicans did? -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Podleski | phone: 216-433-4000 NASA Lewis Research Center | Cleveland, Ohio 44135 | email: pspod@gonzo.lerc.nasa.gov -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
1977
From: Chris W. Johnson <chrisj@emx.cc.utexas.edu> Subject: Re: New DC-x gif Organization: University of Texas at Austin Computation Center Lines: 20 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: gargravarr.cc.utexas.edu X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d20 X-XXMessage-ID: <A7F316D13D01BE1F@gargravarr.cc.utexas.edu> X-XXDate: Thu, 15 Apr 93 19:42:41 GMT In article <Cohen-150493082611@q5022531.mdc.com> Andy Cohen, Cohen@ssdgwy.mdc.com writes: > I just uploaded "DCXart2.GIF" to bongo.cc.utexas.edu...after Chris Johnson > moves it, it'll probably be in pub/delta-clipper. Thanks again Andy. The image is in pub/delta-clipper now. The name has been changed to "dcx-artists-concept.gif" in the spirit of verboseness. :-) ----Chris Chris W. Johnson Internet: chrisj@emx.cc.utexas.edu UUCP: {husc6|uunet}!cs.utexas.edu!ut-emx!chrisj CompuServe: >INTERNET:chrisj@emx.cc.utexas.edu AppleLink: chrisj@emx.cc.utexas.edu@internet# ...wishing the Delta Clipper team success in the upcoming DC-X flight tests.
1978
From: maridai@comm.mot.com (Marida Ignacio) Subject: Re: "Accepting Jesus in your heart..." Organization: trunking_fixed Lines: 34 |whitsebd@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu (Bryan Whitsell) writes: | |> Religion (especially Christianity) is nothing more than a DRUG. |> Some people use drugs as an escape from reality. Christians inject |> themselves with jeezus and live with that high. | |Your logic is falty. If Christianity is a DRUG, and once we die we |die, then why would you be reluctant to embrase this drug so that |while you are alive you enjoy yourself. | Pardon the harshness that follows... Once, I told a cradle christian: Please do not take advantage of Jesus or anybody for the sake of your own (selfish) realization or search for true faith/religion/belonging/'being in'/fear of hell/vanity/etc. Instead of serving yourself, _we must be serving Him_. *Until you have comprehended this truth, you are only doing things for your own egoism.* Let us not use Jesus, our religion, the Bible, anything or anybody as a means of escape or getting ecstatic or high. We are God's children and we must have a true and authentic relationship with our Father with obedience, faith, hope and love and works (the last as the most important). Beware of our 'materialistic', 'worldly' and 'selfish' motives. Atheists have this ground against us and I believe they are right about *some* who call themselves 'christians'. -Marida "...spreading Gods words through actions..." -Mother Teresa
1979
From: pbarone@x102a.ess.harris.com (barone philip 00309) Subject: USENET Playoff Pool Nntp-Posting-Host: x102a.ess.harris.com X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4 Organization: Harris ESS, Melbourne, Fla. Lines: 15 I saw a previous request for the Rules and Instructions for the USENET playoff pool but I haven't seen any responce. Does anybody have this info? If so post away or you could mail it to me. Thanks in advance. -- ============================================================================ Phil Barone \ Internet: pbarone@x102a.ess.harris.com Harris Corporation GISD \ Cape Canaveral A.F.S. \ 407-853-8169 \ ============================================================================
1980
From: kaiser@informatik.uni-koblenz.de (Siegfried Kaiser) Subject: R5 table widget causing trouble with XtQueryGeometry Organization: Universitaet Koblenz Lines: 227 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: glass.uni-koblenz.de Contents:Problems with table widgets in R5 The following part of a program (an user interface for a simulation system) did work in R4, but refused to in R5. Of cause, the R4-version did not know about the xpTableWidgetClass (we used tableWidgetClass instead - caught from the net in times of R3) and XpTableChildPosition (formerly XtTblPosition). Since compiling with R5, the program causes a zero width or height error (on sparc-stations). The trouble-shooter is the (re)computation of the model_init_table - table widget: though its childs (label and asciiText widgets) exist, XtQueryGeometry returns a prefered width and height of zero. Thus the following asignment cannot perform anything else but set the width and height of the newly created widget to zero. No wonder XtPopup or XtManage- Child create zero width or height errors (dependent on whether width and height of the shell widget are set in the resource file or not). Question: Does anyone know, why XtQueryGeometry returns so low prefered values when working on table widgets or perhaps what to do about? I'll be happy, if someone is able to help me. Germans are requested to answer in german. Siegfried Kaiser email: kaiser@uniko.uni-koblenz.de The part of interest: /* Graphischer Neuaufbau des Model-Init-Formulars */ /* Storing the old width and height of the viewport- */ /* widget, which is the parent of the troubling table */ /* widget, before the viewport widget is destroyed */ /* The destroying of widgets before resizing them is a */ /* relict from R3-age */ if (model_init_popped_up) XtUnmapWidget(model_init_form_view); XtDestroyWidget(model_init_form_view); /* Creating the subtree within the shell, of which the */ /* root is the viewport widget */ n = 0; XtSetArg(args[n],XtNfromVert,model_init_title); n++; XtSetArg(args[n],XtNfromHoriz,model_init_button_view); n++; XtSetArg(args[n],XtNallowVert,True); n++; XtSetArg(args[n],XtNforceBars,True); n++; model_init_form_view = XtCreateWidget("form_view",viewportWidgetClass, model_init_form,args,n); n = 0; model_init_table = XtCreateWidget("table",xpTableWidgetClass, model_init_form_view,args,n); /* create_form_widget does create and position table */ /* widget's childs. To position them it uses XpTable- */ /* ChildPosition in R5 and XtTblPosition in R4 */ create_form_widget(ptr_model_init_obj,model_init_table); /* */ /* The crucial function call: */ /* intended to return the maximum height possible: if */ /* there isn't sufficient space to show the whole table */ /* widget, then the viewport shall grow as large as */ /* possible, but not beyond the border of screen. */ /* If there is enough space, the window is intended to */ /* shrienk to the smallest possible height. */ /* */ XtQueryGeometry(model_init_table,NULL,&pref); /* According to the algorithms idea, the new value of */ /* viewport widget's height is selected. Unfortunately */ /* pref.height = 0 leads to new_height = 0. */ if (form_view_height > pref.height) new_height = pref.height; else new_height = form_view_height; /* Setting the new values to viewport widgets ancestors */ w = XtNameToWidget(model_init_form,"form_view"); XtResizeWidget(w,width,new_height,pref.border_width); XtResizeWidget(model_init_form_view,width,new_height, pref.border_width); if (model_init_popped_up) { /* In case the shell, which contains model_init_form_- */ /* view and model_init_table, allready exists, is has */ /* to be resized, too. */ n = 0; XtSetArg(args[n],XtNwidth,&shell_width); n++; XtSetArg(args[n],XtNheight,&shell_height); n++; XtSetArg(args[n],XtNborderWidth,&shell_bw); n++; XtGetValues(model_init_shell,args,n); XtResizeWidget(model_init_shell,shell_width, shell_height - height + new_height,shell_bw); }; /* end of if */ n = 0; XtSetArg(args[n],XtNwidth,&width); n++; XtSetArg(args[n],XtNborderWidth,&bw); n++; XtGetValues(model_init_button_view,args,n); XtResizeWidget(model_init_button_view,width,new_height,bw); XtResizeWidget(vert_bar,sbar_width,1,sbar_bw); resize_inits(); /* If there is the shell's height set within the */ /* resource file, the program terminates within the */ /* first XtManageChild on its second pass through the */ /* observed function. The first pass succeeds. */ XtManageChild(model_init_form_view); XtManageChild(model_init_table); if (!model_init_popped_up) { /* In case the shell isn't popped up it has to be done. */ /* If there is no value set to the shell's height within*/ /* the resource file, the program terminates here. */ XtPopup(model_init_shell,XtGrabNone); model_init_pop_flag = True; set_model_init_attributes(); }; /* end of if */ get_actual_init(&ptr_actual); load_form(ptr_actual); /* */ /* If someone suspects the creation of table widget's contents */ /* causes all the trouble, there are the sources of create_form */ /* */ create_form_widget(ptr,table) t_obj *ptr; Widget table; /* ptr is a linear list containing attributes and para- */ /* meters of the model and additionally the correspon- */ /* ding widgets */ { Arg args[10]; int n, row, col; t_obj *ptr_obj; t_ident *ptr_ident; /* Initialization of the local variables */ ptr_obj = ptr; col = 0; row = 0; /* Schleife ueber die Objekte bzw. das Pseudo-Objekt (fuer die Parameter) */ /* loop through the list of objects and pseudo-objects: */ /* every object occuring in the model has zero or more */ /* attributes and some parameters, which can be shared */ /* by several objects. */ /* Because of locality the attributes of one object are */ /* listed in a second linear list (of type t_ident), */ /* whereas the parameters, which can belong to any ob- */ /* ject are put together in a pseudo-object */ /* Thus the program loops through the list of objects */ /* and pseudo-objects and for each object through the */ /* list of its attributes resp. parameters. */ while (ptr_obj != (t_obj*)NULL) { /* Each object and pseudo-object is represented in a */ /* label widget */ n = 0; XtSetArg(args[n],XtNlabel,ptr_obj->name); n++; ptr_obj->label_w = XtCreateManagedWidget("object",labelWidgetClass, table,args,n); XpTableChildPosition(ptr_obj->label_w,col,row); col++; row++; ptr_ident = ptr_obj->ident; /* Schleife ueber die Objekt-Attribute bzw. Parameter */ while (ptr_ident != (t_ident*)NULL) { /* Each attribute and parameter is represented in a */ /* label and has a corresponding asciiText widget, in */ /* which it is to be initialized. */ n = 0; XtSetArg(args[n],XtNlabel,ptr_ident->name); n++; ptr_ident->label_w = XtCreateManagedWidget("ident",labelWidgetClass, table,args,n); XpTableChildPosition(ptr_ident->label_w,col,row); col++; n = 0; XtSetArg(args[n],XtNlength,ROW_LENGTH); n++; XtSetArg(args[n],XtNstring,ptr_ident->text); n++; XtSetArg(args[n],XtNeditType,XawtextEdit); n++; XtSetArg(args[n],XtNwrap,XawtextWrapWord); n++; XtSetArg(args[n],XtNresize,XawtextResizeHeight); n++; XtSetArg(args[n],XtNuseStringInPlace,True); n++; ptr_ident->text_w = XtCreateManagedWidget("text", asciiTextWidgetClass, table,args,n); XpTableChildPosition(ptr_ident->text_w,col,row); col--; row++; get_next_ident(&ptr_ident); }; /* end of while */ col--; get_next_obj(&ptr_obj); }; /* end of while */ } /* end of create_form_widget */ So far the problem in detail.
1981
From: wwarf@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Wayne J. Warf) Subject: Re: BATF/FBI Murders Almost Everyone in Waco Today! 4/19 Nntp-Posting-Host: silver.ucs.indiana.edu Organization: Indiana University Lines: 32 In article <1993Apr20.142131.27347@rti.rti.org> jbs@rti.rti.org writes: >In article <C5rpoJ.IJv@news.udel.edu> roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes: >> >>Well they had over 40 days to come out with their hands up on national tv >>to get the trial they deserved. Instead they chose to set fire to their >>compund hours after the tanks dropped off the tear gas. > >This is about the third person who's parroted the FBI's line about the >fires being set "six hours after the tear gas was injected." Suppose you >want to explain to us the videotape footage shown on national TV last night >in which a tank with the gas-injecting tubes is pulling its injection tubes >out of the second story of a building as the building begins to belch smoke >and then fire? > >Do tell. > > -joe Not to mention that the story was rewritten today. Those two BD's who "admitted to starting the fire", forget 'em, they don't exist anyone. Today, "a few saw someone starting a fire" and "our aerial surveillance showed them starting fires" at this morning's press conference. Tomorrow, even this excuse may evaporate. A reporter pointed out that a BD being brought to arraingement shouted that tanks knocking over lanterns started the fire. Curiouser and curiouser. -- + Wayne J. Warf -- WWARF@ucs.indiana.edu -- I speak for myself only + |*Clinton*Gore*CIA*FBI*DEA*Assassinate*Bomb*WoD*BoR*ATF*IRS*Resist*NSA* | |*Christian*God*Satan*Apocalypse*ZOG*Nazi*Socialist*Communist*Explosive*| +*fundamentalist*revolution*NSC*Federal Reserve*Constitution*gold*FEMA* +
1982
From: glang@slee01.srl.ford.com (Gordon Lang) Subject: Re: Honors Degrees: Do they mean anything? Organization: Ford Motor Company Research Laboratory Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: slee01.srl.ford.com X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 Justin Kibell (jck@catt.citri.edu.au) wrote: : What has this got to do with comp.windows.x? : I agree that this is a side track, but it is funny that I skip so many other articles (threads) but I couldn't resist reading this one. My beliefs, opinions, and expressions are strictly my own and do not represent or reflect any official or unofficial policies or attitudes of any other person or organization.... but. I have heard that Ford Motor Company has (had) a recruiting bias toward engineers and away from computer science graduates. The reasoning is supposedly to better meet long range personnel requirements. This is evidenced by the large number of CS people who are employed via contracts and are not brought on board except in special circumstances. This is a generalization which obviously doesn't always hold true, but there are statistics. Furthermore, most "software engineering" at Ford gets done by electrical engineers. I know of 2 univerities that have merged the computer science department and the electrical engineering so that you can get a computer degree which qualifies you for much more than programming. But since my beliefs and opinions are merely figments of my distorted imagination I suppose I should keep it to myself.
1983
From: christyo@cae.wisc.edu (Buddy Christyono) Subject: Summary: DoubleDisk Gold v 6.0 Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering Lines: 98 Hi Netters, As promised, here are the summary of opinions on DoubleDisk Gold v.6.0. People seem to be quite happy with the product. There is no much of opinion on how good it is compared to the industry leader Stacker 3.0. (Superstor Pro is not considered since it is slower than Stacker although just as reliable - BYTE Magazine's conclusion ;-) ), so it's hard to make any decision to go with Stacker or with DoubleDisk Gold v6.0. However, it seems that at $39.95, it is quite a buy. Buddy Christyono buddy@optics.ece.wisc.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------- summary of replies ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hello Buddy, I do not have DD Gold 6.0 experience. I just ordered it. I currently have DD 2.3 (the last version). I am very pleased with its performance. Here is my suggestion... 1) If you do not have any compression software currently, I would go with DOS 6.0's compression. All the discussion on the net indicates that for $50 you get the compression (built into the OS), plus the other utilities that you would pay way more than $50 for. Besides, you are now at DOS6.0 (whatever that means...) 2) If you have DoubleDisk 2.3 already (like I do), the cost is $29.95 for the upgrade. After thinking about it and asking the net, I decided that I could not go wrong with the update cost! I have never suffered from performance of DD. I have a 12ms HD with large SW packages in both compressed and uncompressed format. It works great. Not delays. I think the "A" is better than "B" arguements are a lot of bunk... they are all comparable in performance. I am looking forward to being able to "LOADHIGH" the DD sw. That has been an annoyance. 3) If you have Stacker, et.al. currently, I would not see it worth the effort to upgrade. Just my $.02 ... Regards, Mark Bagdy ---------------------------------------------------------------- Buddy, I got the same mailer. About 2 weeks ago I got DDG and installed it. The documentation was, in my opinion, easy to follow. I used the automatic installation (not the custom) and everything went smoothly. There were some specific instructions on a readme file for dealing with 386max & QEMM. DDG has an uninstall (unlike DOS6.0) if you need it. My system has a 203Mb hard drive. before installing DDG I had ~5Mb free. After DDG I had ~197Mb free. Pretty good statistics considering that my 8Mb permanent windows swap file stayed on the uncompressed portion (along with other drivers and such). I have had no problems whatsoever. I have noticed no slowdown (other than it takes a little longer to boot) either in windows or dos. So far I am a very happy camper. -Bruce -- Bruce F. Steinke | "Never know when you're going to bsteinke@dsd.es.com | need a good piece of rope." Software Technical Support Engineer | Sam Gamgee Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp. | <My mail, My Opinions> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have been using DoubleDisk Gold for a little more than a month on a 486DX 33Mhz, 120MB Seagate drive, running DOS & Windows in 386 enhanced mode. I ran some tests and concluded that the speed of a DoubleDisk drive with a drive read cache is about equal to the bare drive without a cache. I have no complaints about reliability. It was very easy to install. The only problem I had was with Castle Wolfenstein 3-D. I assumed the game was trying to bypass DOS disk access and moved the game to the non-compressed region of the disk. Since then the game has never given me a problem. There was never any damage to the DoubleDisk drive. Compression performance for the whole disk has held steady around 1.8:1. This is lower than expected but about 20% (size) of my files are compressed image files and some large zip files. If you have any more specific questions let me know. Dan --------------------------------------------------------------------------- I bought it an have been happy with it. I use it on both MFM and IDE 40 MB drives. I was using DoubleDisk before Gold came out. That is the same product MSDOS 6.0 is shipping with. No problems with either product. -- Ron Bjornseth bjornset@pogo.den.mmc.com /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// -------------------- END OF MESSAGES --------------------------------------
1984
From: radley@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Keith Radley) Subject: Electronics Summary: new address Nntp-Posting-Host: gibbs.oit.unc.edu Organization: University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill Distribution: usa Lines: 21 Panasonic KX-T3000H, Combo black cordless & speaker phone all in one. new- $160, now- $100 + shipping OBO. Curtis Mathes VHS VCR Remote included and it works with universal remotes. Works great but I replaced it with a Stereo VCR. paid $300 years ago, will sell for $125 delivered OBO. Radio Shack stereo amp. 2 inputs, tone, and left and right volume. Speakers not included. $20 plus shipping. If you are interested in either of the above mail me at radley@gibbs.oit.unc.edu or call me, Keith, at 919-968-7779. PS- I made a type on my email address the first posting. It is now correct. _ _ // Major: Computer Science /<eith Radley \\// Minor: English Radley@gibbs.oit.unc.edu \/ Computer: AMIGA 3000 University of North Carolina
1985
From: dfield@flute.calpoly.edu (InfoSpunj (Dan Field)) Subject: Re: Too many MRIs? Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo Lines: 19 In article <1993Apr19.043654.13068@informix.com> proberts@informix.com (Paul Roberts) writes: >In article <1993Apr12.165410.4206@kestrel.edu> king@reasoning.com (Dick King) writes: >> >>I recall reading somewhere, during my youth, in some science popularization >>book, that whyle isotope changes don't normally affect chemistry, a consumption >>of only heavy water would be fatal, and that seeds watered only with heavy >>water do not sprout. Does anyone know about this? >> > >I also heard this. I always thought it might make a good eposide of >'Columbo' for someone to be poisoned with heavy water - it wouldn't >show up in any chemical test. That would be a very expensive toxin indeed! -- | Daniel R. Field, AKA InfoSpunj | Joe: "Are you late?" | | dfield@oboe.calpoly.edu | Dan: "No, but I'm working on it!" | | Biochemistry, Biotechnology | | | California Polytechnic State U | |
1986
From: suresh@iss.nus.sg (Suresh Thennarangam - Research Scholar) Subject: X Device Driver for Bird Nntp-Posting-Host: raccoon.iss.nus.sg Organization: Institute Of Systems Science, NUS X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4 Lines: 16 Has anyone written a device driver to use the Ascension bird with XWindows ? __ (_ / / o_ o o |_ __)/(_( __) (_(_ /_)| )_ *************************************************************************** * Suresh Thennarangam * EMail: suresh@iss.nus.sg(Internet) * * Research Scholar * ISSST@NUSVM.BITNET * * Institute Of Systems Science * Tel: (065) 772 2588. * * National University Of Singapore * Facs.: (065) 778 2571 * * Heng Mui Keng Terrace * Telex: ISSNUS RS 39988 * * Singapore 0511. * * ***************************************************************************
1987
From: nmcglynn@buffalo.axion.bt.co.uk (Neil A. McGlynn) Subject: British Championship Playoffs (16 Apr 93) Organization: BT Labs, Martlesham Heath, Ipswich, UK Lines: 45 Reply-To: nmcglynn@axion.bt.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: buffalo.axion.bt.co.uk Organisation: BT Laboratories, Martlesham Heath, IPSWICH UK Group A Group B ~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~ Cardiff Devils 7-3 Bracknell Bees Nottingham Panthers 8-3 Billingham Humberside 7-7 Whitley Warriors Murrayfield Racers 11-2 Fife Flyers Whitley Bay 6-9 Cardiff Devils Billingham Bombers 6-8 Murrayfield Humberside 8-5 Bracknell Bees Nottingham Panthers 11-5 Fife Flyers Cardiff Devils 10-4 Humberside Murrayfield Racers 6-4 Nottingham Bracknell Bees 4-9 Whitley Bay Fife Flyers 2-5 Billingham Bracknell Bees 3-8 Cardiff Devils Billingham Bombers 2-8 Nottingham Whitley Bay 5-7 Humberside Fife Flyers 3-12 Murrayfield P W D L F A P P W D L F A P Cardiff Devils 4 4 0 0 34 16 8* Murrayfield Racers 4 4 0 0 37 15 8* Humberside 4 2 1 1 26 27 5 Nottingham Panthers 4 3 0 1 31 16 6* Whitley Bay 4 1 1 2 27 27 3 Billingham Bombers 4 1 0 3 16 26 2 Bracknell Bees 4 0 0 4 15 32 0 Fife Flyers 4 0 0 4 12 39 0 * indicates qualified for Championship Finals Relegation/Promotion A Relegation/Promotion B ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Basingstoke 10-4 Swindon Wildcats Sheffield Steelers 12-8 Peterborough Durham Wasps 13-5 Romford Raiders Slough Jets 1-9 MK Kings Basingstoke 6-0 Durham Wasps Sheffield Steelers 9-4 Milton Keynes Swindon 8-5 Romford Raiders Milton Keynes Kings 4-6 Peterborough Durham Wasps 17-2 Swindon Wildcats Slough Jets 2-12 Sheffield Romford 4-10 Basingstoke Peterborough 10-2 Slough Jets Romford *8-3* Durham Wasps Peterborough 8-5 Sheffield Swindon 7-11 Basingstoke Milton Keynes Kings 10-4 Slough Jets P W D L F A P P W D L F A P Basingstoke 4 4 0 0 37 15 8 Sheffield Steelers 4 3 0 0 38 22 6 Durham Wasps 4 2 0 2 33 21 4 Peterborough 4 3 0 1 32 23 6 Swindon 4 1 0 3 21 43 2 Milton Keynes Kings 4 2 0 2 27 20 4 Romford Raiders 4 1 0 3 22 34 2 Slough Jets 4 0 0 4 9 41 0 /-- / /-- /-- /-- / \ / /-- /-/ --- o Neil A. McGlynn +44 473 645659 /-- / /__ /-- /-- / / /-- /_/ /__ o nmcglynn@axion.bt.co.uk / / / /-- / /__ / /-- /\ ___/ o British Telecom Laboratories, --------------------------------------- Martlesham Heath, Ipswich, UK
1988
From: smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith) Subject: Re: Playoff predictions Organization: Colorado Springs IT Center Lines: 41 NNTP-Posting-Host: fajita19.cs.itc.hp.com OK, I'll join in the fun and give my playoff predictions: 1st round: ---------- PITT vs NYI: PITT in 4. WASH vs NJD: WASH in 6. BOS vs BUF: BOS in 5. QUE vs MON: MON in 7. CHI vs STL: CHI in 4. DET vs TOR: DET in 6. VAN vs WIN: WIN in 6. CAL vs LA: CAL in 5. 2nd round: ---------- PITT vs WASH: PITT in 4. BOS vs MON: BOS in 6. CHI vs DET: CHI in 7. WIN vs CAL: CAL in 5. 3rd round: ---------- PITT vs BOS: PITT in 5. CHI vs CAL: CHI in 5. Finals: ------ PITT vs CHI: PITT in 5. ============================================= Walter
1989
From: creps@lateran.ucs.indiana.edu (Stephen A. Creps) Subject: Re: quality of Catholic liturgy Organization: Indiana University Lines: 72 In article <Apr.10.05.30.16.1993.14313@athos.rutgers.edu> jemurray@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John E Murray) writes: >Example. Last Sunday (Palm Sunday) we went to the local church. Usually >on Palm Sunday, the congregation participates in reading the Passion, taking >the role of the mob. The theology behind this seems profound--when we say >"Crucify him" we mean it. We did it, and if He came back today we'd do it >again. It always gives me chills. But last week we were "invited" to sit >during the Gospel (=Passion) and _listen_. Besides the Orwellian "invitation", On Palm Sunday at our parish, we were "invited" to take the role of Jesus in the Passion. I declined to participate. Last year at the liturgy meeting I pointed out how we crucify Christ by our sins, so therefore it is appropriate that we retain the role of the crowd, but to no avail. >musicians, readers, and so on. New things are introduced in the course of the >liturgy and since no one knows what's happening, the new things have to be >explained, and pretty soon instead of _doing_ a lot of the Mass we're just >sitting there listening (or spacing out, in my case) to how the Mass is about >to be done. In my mind, I lay the blame on liturgy committees made up of lay >"experts", but that may not be just. I do think that a liturgy committee has a >bias toward doing something rather than nothing--that's just a fact of >bureaucratic life--even though a simpler liturgy may in fact make it easier for >people to be aware of the Lord's presence. As a member of a liturgy committee, I can tell you that the problem is certain people dominating, who want to try out all kinds of innovations. The priests don't seem even to _want_ to make any decisions of their own in many cases. I guess it's easier to "try something new" than it is to refuse to allow it. At our parish on Holy Thursday, instead of the priests washing feet ("Who wants to get around people's feet," according to one of our priests) the congregation was "invited" to come up and help wash one another's hands. The symbolism of this action distressed me, and again I refused to participate. I thought that if we were to have to come up with rubrics for this liturgical action (i.e. "Body of Christ" -- "Amen" for receiving Communion), that they could be "I am not responsible for the blood of this man." Also for part of the Eucharistic Prayer ("Blessed are You, God of all creation...") was substituted some text read by a lay couple. The priest certainly should not have given this part of the Mass over to others, and I was so disturbed that I declined to receive Communion that night (we aren't required to anyway -- I instead offered up prayers for our priests and parish). >So we've been wondering--are we the oddballs, or is the quality of the Mass >going down? I don't mean that facetiously. We go to Mass every Thursday or >Friday and are reminded of the power of a very simple liturgy to make us aware >of God's presence. But as far as the obligatory Sunday Masses...maybe I should >just offer it up :) Has anyone else noticed declining congregational >participation in Catholic Masses lately? The quality of the Mass has not changed. Again, if it were to be celebrated according to the rubrics set down by the Church, it would still be "liturgically" beautiful. The problem comes about from people trying to be "creative" who are not. I think the answer to your question on participation could be that given by Father Peter Stravinskas in answer to the question posed by the title of Thomas Day's _Why Catholics Can't Sing_. "They don't want to" because of all this nonsense. By the way, for any non-Catholics reading this, the problem does not reflect bad liturgy by the Catholic Church, but by those who are disobedient to the Church in changing it on their own "authority." - - - - - - - - - - Steve Creps, Indiana University creps@lateran.ucs.indiana.edu
1990
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1991
From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) Subject: Re: Notes on Jays vs. Indians Series Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853 Distribution: na Lines: 21 In article <1993Apr15.212014.1782@news.acns.nwu.edu> edo@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Edward Ouellette) writes: > >My point? RBI might not be a perfect stat but nothing is. And no stat (or lack >of) can tell me there are no clutch hitters. Maybe no stat CAN tell me, >either, but some people are... I just know it!!! 8) I was *hoping* somebody would mention clutch. Clutch? Baerga? The two words simply do not go together. With runners in scoring position, Baerga batted .308/.366/.418 last year. This doesn't quite *suck*, but most batters hit *better* in this situation. Alomar? He hit .354/.439/.517 with runners in scoring position! The difference? Alomar had 68 RBIs in 147 such AB. Baerga had 81 RBIs in 182 such AB. Baerga got 25% more chances, yet succeeded only 20% more times. Frankly, I don't believe in clutch. But if I did, my vote would go to Alomar for MVP (let alone "best 2B in the AL"). -Valentine
1992
From: guy@x.co.uk (Guy Singh) Subject: Re: >>>>> MOUSE BUTTONS 1,2 & 3 <<<<<<<< urgent ! In-Reply-To: it4ik@dmu.ac.uk's message of 5 Apr 93 10:10:23 GMT X-Disclaimer: This is not the view of IXI Ltd unless explicitly stated. Lines: 29 Nntp-Posting-Host: yorks.x.co.uk Organization: Not a lot X-Copyright: The author asserts the right of paternity in this message. >>>>> On 5 Apr 93 10:10:23 GMT, it4ik@dmu.ac.uk (I Kler) said: IK> Nntp-Posting-Host: elm IK> I know it sounds stupid, but.... IK> Does anyone know how to control individual mouse buttons. IK> I am writing an application, which currently makes use of IK> ButtonPressMask, however this is invoked by the pressing IK> of any mouse button. I want to be able to restrict this IK> to one of the 3 buttons. I tried Button1PressMask, but IK> just get undefined errors. I know it can be done, and I IK> am pretty sure theres an easy answer to it, but I just don't know IK> what it is. IK> "time is of the essence ..." There is no event mask for a particular mouse button press. However in your event handler you can use the event structure passed in and query it to find which button was pressed i.e. void SomeEventHandler(Widget w, XtPointer data, XEvent *event) { /* Catch the button 1 (usually left button) */ if ( event->xbutton.button == Button1 ) { /* do some action */ } else { /* do nothing and exit from function */ } } -- -Guy Singh, IXI Internet: guy@x.co.uk Vision Park UUCP: guy@ixi.uucp Cambridge Bang: ...!uunet!ixi!guy CB4 4ZR, UK Tel: +44 223 236 555
1993
From: browning@nscf.org (Charles W. Browning) Subject: ** Mitsubishi MR535 Hard Drive Help!!! ** Organization: National Science Center Foundation Summary: ** Mitsubishi MR535 Hard Drive Help!! ** Keywords: Hard Disk Lines: 17 I have a new MR535 Mitsubishi hard drive (RLL or MFM) that has been in storage and will not format. I suspected that the switch settings may have been moved in the movement of the drive from one place to another. Does anyone have the switch settings for this drive. It has J1 SW1 with 6 switches and SW2 has 8 switches. SW2 is the one that selects the drive number. If you have info on this drive, or know a number I can call to configure it, please, please let me know by email. It has 977 cyl 5 heads and I think is type 17. Thanks in advance! Chuck Browning -- ***************************************************** * Charles W. Browning * browning@galois.nscf.org * * University of GA * browning@moe.coe.uga.edu * * Augusta, Georgia * cbrowni@eis.calstate.edu *
1994
From: altmann@PLEURO.SOAR.CS.CMU.EDU (Erik Altmann) Subject: Fwd: PROGRESSIVES HAPPY HOUR Original-To: bb-general@CS.CMU.EDU Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon Distribution: cmu Lines: 21 --------- Forwarding begins here --------- Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1993 15:39:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Women's Center <women+@andrew.cmu.edu> To: +dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/women/dlists/happyhour-announce.dl@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: PROGRESSIVES HAPPY HOUR Enjoy good food and interesting company at the Progressives Happy Hour, Thursday 8 April, starting at 5:30pm at the Women's Center (located next to the laundromat in the Margaret Morrison Plaza). Kosher for Passover food will be served. All are welcome. (Good things to drink will be there, but paper cups won't. Please be progressive and bring a cup or mug with you.) Co-sponsored by the Student Government President and funded by the student activites fee. ----------- End of forwarding -----------
1995
From: eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A Shnekendorf) Subject: Re: was: Go Hezbollah!! Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 45 amehdi@src.honeywell.com (Hossien Amehdi) writes: >In article <C5IFH7.3q4@news.cso.uiuc.edu> eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A Shnekendorf) writes: >> >>What the hell do you know about Israeli policy? What gives you the fiat >>to look into the minds of Israeli generals? Has this 'policy of intimidation' >>been published somewhere? For your information, the actions taken by Arabs, >>specifically the PLO, were not uncommon in the Lebanon Campaign of 1982. My >>brain is full of shit? At least I don't look into the minds of others and >>make Israeli policy for them! >> >... deleted >I am not in the business of reading minds, however in this case it would not >be necessary. Israelis top leaders in the past and present, always come across >as arrogant with their tough talks trying to intimidate the Arabs. How would you deal with Arabs who ALWAYS threaten to drive you into the sea or burn half your conuntry? Would you talk nicely? Would you say please? You wouldn't. The language of the middle east is power and force. Sorry - that is the way it is now. If you aren't strong, you go down. Israel has to talk and act tough. Notice, Israel talks and acts tough in battle, but is willing to talk peace. >The way I see it, Israelis and Arabs have not been able to achieve peace >after almost 50 years of fighting because of the following two major reasons: > 1) Arab governments are not really representative of their people, currently > most of their leaders are stupid, and/or not independent, and/or > dictators. True - and they have brainwashed their people into thinking Jews are some sort of monsters. Arab non-recognition of Israel and support of war and terror is also an important factor, wouldn't you say? > 2) Israeli government is arrogant and none comprising. What do you want Israel to do? They are negotating? I'm sick of people calling for Israel to withdraw from the territories now. That's not realistic, don't you realize that? A solution must be negotiated. It is on the table. Have patience. Ed.
1996
From: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert) Subject: Re: Players Rushed to Majors Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman Lines: 13 Reply-To: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert) NNTP-Posting-Host: g215a-1.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu In article <93122@hydra.gatech.EDU> re4@prism.gatech.EDU (RUSSELL EARNEST) writes: > This brings back the long suffering memories of pre-chop Braves fans who > kept being promised the Bob Horner - Dale Murphy back to back power slam. > Who could stop that? Guess we'll never know. Why not? Horner played 130 games in 1985 and hit 27 HR. Murphy played 162 and hit 37. In 1986 Horner hit 27 in 141 games and Murphy hit 29 in 160 games. (and the Braves lost 96 and 89 games). john rickert rickert@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
1997
From: cf947@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Chun-Hung Wan) Subject: NX2000 vs. Sentra SE-R Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 17 Reply-To: cf947@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Chun-Hung Wan) NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu I'm plannig to trade my Sentra SE-R in with a NX2000. My car has 11,500 miles on it and is a '92 model. The NX2000 the dealer is selling is a '91 model with 23,000miles on it. It has a T-Bar Roof, a/c, and an airbag, which my Sentra does not have. They are asking for $1500. Is that a fair deal? The only thing I noticed about the NX2000 is that the engine did not seem to have as much torque as my Sentra which has the same identical engine. I presume that the last lady owner did not really push the engine to it's limits occassionaly while I did that on mine, thuis the NX2000's engine is a little "tight." So, if I buy the NX2000 and "excercise" it well, should that slight power problem go away? Any advice on this will be much appreciated. Thanks. Please reply via e-mail if possible. -- A motion picture major at the Brooks Institute of Photography, CA Santa Barbara and a foreign student from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. "The mind is the forerunner of all states."
1998
From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) Subject: Re: FLAME and a Jewish home in Palestine Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department Lines: 41 In article <C5rxH0.LJy@imag.fr> maler@vercors.imag.fr (Oded Maler) writes: >In article <C5HJBC.1HC@bony1.bony.com>, jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes: >|> Typical Arabic thinking. If we are guilty of something, so is >|> everyone else. Unfortunately for you, Nabil, Jewish tribes are not >|> nearly as susceptible to the fratricidal murdering that is still so >|> common among Arabs in the Middle East. There were no " killings >|> between the Jewish tribes on the way." >I don't like this comment about "Typical" thinking. You could state >your interpretation of Exodus without it. As I read Exodus I can see >a lot of killing there, which is painted by the author of the bible >in ideological/religious colors. The history in the desert can be seen >as an ethos of any nomadic people occupying a land. That's why I think >it is a great book with which descendants Arabs, Turks and Mongols can >unify as well. You somehow missed Nabil's comments, even though you included it in your followup: >The number which could have arrived to the Holy Lands must have been >substantially less ude to the harsh desert and the killings between the >Jewish tribes on the way.. I am not aware of "killings between Jewish tribes" in the desert. The point of "typical thinking" here is that while Arabs STILL TODAY act in the manner you describe, like "any nomadic people occupying a land", killing and plundering each other with regularity, others have somehow progressed over time. It is not surprising then that Arabs often accuse others (infidels) of things that they are quite familiar with: civil rights violations, religious discrimination, ethnic cleansing, land theft, torture and murder. It is precisely this mechanism at work that leads people to say that Jewish tribes were killing each other in the desert, even without support for such a ludicrous suggestion. -- Jake Livni jake@bony1.bony.com Ten years from now, George Bush will American-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President.
1999
From: muddmj@wkuvx1.bitnet Subject: Re: The doctrine of Original Sin Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY Lines: 27 > But, haven't "all sinned, and come short of the glory > of God" (Romans 3:23)? > Those that cite this scripture to claim that even > babes require baptism neglect that "sin is not imputed > when there is no law" (Romans 5:13). > > Therefore, until someone is capable of comprehending > God's laws they are not accountable for living them. > They are in the book of life and are not removed until > they can make a conscious decision to disobey God. > > A IDLER If babies are not supposed to be baptised then why doesn't the Bible ever say so. It never comes right and says "Only people that know right from wrong or who are taught can be baptised." What Christ did say was : "I solemly assure you, NO ONE can enter God's kingdom without being born of water and Spirit ... Do not be surprised that I tell you you must ALL be begotten from above." Could this be because everyone is born with original sin? Mike