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From: obrien@hri.com (Jim Obrien)
Subject: IBM-PC XT switch settings
Organization: Horizon Research, Inc.
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Distribution: world
Reply-To: obrien@bigbird.hri.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: sparc28.hri.com
I just got an IBM-PC XT with no documents. Its a true
IBM, and I was wondering if anyone had the definitions
of the 2 8 position dip switches?
- thankx Jim
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From: rubinoff+@cs.cmu.edu (Robert Rubinoff)
Subject: Re: Gritz/JBS/Liberty Lobby/LaRouche/Christic Insitute/Libertarian/...
Nntp-Posting-Host: spino.soar.cs.cmu.edu
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
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In article <93105.230230U23590@uicvm.uic.edu> <U23590@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>Note that Bo Gritz was on the Populist party ticket with David
>Duke (for veep) in 1988 until he found out that Duke was leading
>he ticket, when he withdrew his candidacy. So Gritz gave up his
>chance to be Vice President of the US just to aviod supporting
>Duke.
I'd hardly call that "giving up his chance to be Vice President of the US";
the chance of the Populist Party ticket winning is essentially nil. Still,
it does imply that he doesn't want to be associated with Duke.
Robert
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From: nancyo@fraser.sfu.ca (Nancy Patricia O'Connor)
Subject: Re: Amusing atheists and agnostics
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
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timmbake@mcl.ucsb.edu (Bake Timmons) writes:
>Rule #4: Don't mix apples with oranges. How can you say that the
>extermination by the Mongols was worse than Stalin? Khan conquered people
>unsympathetic to his cause. That was atrocious. But Stalin killed millions of
>his own people who loved and worshipped _him_ and his atheist state!! How can
>anyone be worse than that?
You're right. And David Koresh claimed to be a Christian.
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Subject: ===> EPS display software?
From: HADAM@bcsc02.gov.bc.ca
Organization: BC Systems Corporation
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Does any one know of any shareware/freeware software which lets one display
EPS files on a PC with DOS and/or Windows???
Your reply would be much appreciated. Thanks.
Hal Adam, HADAM@bcsc02.gov.bc.ca
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From: shirriff@sprite.berkeley.edu (Ken Shirriff)
Subject: Re: Clipper considered harmful
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
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Distribution: inet
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In article <15469@optilink.COM> brad@optilink.COM (Brad Yearwood) writes:
>Finally, because there is essentially no possibility of intercepting in
>realtime the scrutable content of communications between stolen instruments,
>there will exist strong motivation to record and archive _all_ communications
>in the network for ex-post-facto scrutiny (once some criminal act is
>discovered, and the instruments involved have been identified).
It seems likely to me that that a large subset of encrypted communications
would be archived to tape so they could be read if sometime in the future
probable cause arises and a warrant is obtained. I can even imagine this
being found legal and constitutional, since nothing is actually listened to
until a valid warrant is issued and the keys are obtained.
Imagine archiving all pay-phone conversations, so if someone turns out
to be a drug dealer, you can listen to all their past drug deals. And
archive calls to/from suspected Mafia members, potential terrorists,
radicals, etc. Imagine the convenience for the police of being able to
get a warrant now and listening to all the calls the World Trade Center
bombers made in the past year.
Since archiving would be such a powerful tool and so easy to do, why
wouldn't it happen?
Ken Shirriff shirriff@sprite.Berkeley.EDU
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From: ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer)
Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is
Organization: Netcom. San Jose, California
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frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes ...
>Plus questions for you: why do subjectivists/relativists/nihilists get so
>het up about the idea that relativism is *better* than objectivism?
To the degree that relativism is a more accurate decription of the
truth than is objectivism, it provides more power and ability to
control events.
Assuming, for the moment, that morals _are_ relative, then two
relativists can recognize that neither has a lock on the absolute
truth and they can proceed to negotiate a workable compromise that
produces the desired results.
Assuming that there is an absolute morality, two disagreeing
objectivists can either be both wrong or just one of them right; there
is no room for compromise. Once you beleive in absolute morals,
you must accept that you are amoral or that everyone who disagrees
with you is amoral.
Given a choice between a peaceful compromise or endless contention,
I'd say that compromise seems to be "better".
--
Ray Fischer "Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth
ray@netcom.com than lies." -- Friedrich Nietzsche
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From: leebr@ecf.toronto.edu (LEE BRIAN)
Subject: Re: WP-PCF, Linux, RISC?
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Lines: 67
In article <C5w9J7.JLL@Nyongwa.CAM.ORG> angcl@Nyongwa.CAM.ORG (Claude Angers) writes:
>In article <C5rx8B.Kzp@ecf.toronto.edu> leebr@ecf.toronto.edu (LEE BRIAN) writes:
>>In article <1qu8ud$2hd@sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au> eugene@mpce.mq.edu.au writes:
>>>In article <C5o1yq.M34@csie.nctu.edu.tw> ghhwang@csie.nctu.edu.tw (ghhwang) writes:
>>>>
>>>>Dear friend,
>>>> The RISC means "reduced instruction set computer". The RISC usually has
>>>>small instruction set so as to reduce the circuit complex and can increase
>>>>the clock rate to have a high performance. You can read some books about
>>>>computer architecture for more information about RISC.
>>>
>>>hmm... not that I am an authority on RISC ;-) but I clearly remember
>>>reading that the instruction set on RISC CPUs is rather large.
>>>The difference is in addressing modes - RISC instruction sets are not
>>>as orthogonal is CISC.
>>>
>>>--
>>
>>Theoretically supposed to be reduced.... not any longer. That's why everyone
>>is arguing about RISC v.s. CISC. Personally, I think CISC will win out.
>>Just take a look at the Pentium! (Not that I like Intel architectures either,
>>but that's another story...)
>>
>>bye!
>>
>
>Do you mean that the Pentium is better than a Risc? or that it will outsell
>them all? If the first, you have to remember that intel CISC (like the
>pentium) are a always a generation away from the best riscs... also Riscs
>cpu are more costly because they are not sold in the same quantities (not
>even on the same order)... but I remember reading about 3 years (maybe 2)
>about a T800(?) from hypercube that did a 100 mips, was superscallar AND
>reordered its instruction itself so
I'm not 100% sure, but I think the T800 was a 25MHz transputer? so ya tie
a gazillion of them together to get 100mips. (The newest is the T9000
which kicks anyone's butt :)... haven't seen them used much though).
Anyway, to respond, I think the Pentium (CISC) is better than the more advanced
RISC (e.g., like the alpha, etc. the 66MHz Pentium has approximately the
same "performance" as the superduper 133MHz Alpha - here, performance is the
weird Specint92 that everyone refers to? - this is what I *heard* - the
Alpha still kicks in the P5's butt in fp - again, this is what I *heard*).
and in the computing world, if you sell lots of chips (like intel), and
make it faster (like intel), you are the winner (like intel), even though
you have a sucky architecture from over 10 years ago (like intel :0).
If you can make a "CISC" chip (superscalar, superduperpipelined, superfast)
with the ideas behind the "RISC" ideology, you got a CISC chip. And then
I admit I can't see the advantages of RISC over CISC...
If the latest technology is a generation behind, then it sucks (relatively
speaking).
Now I may sound like I like intel, but I'll have to say that the P5 is some
real kick butt pile of Si and SiO2...
But I hope that Motorola really catches up with the 68K line... or I'm gonna
start crying...
brian
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leebr@ecf.toronto.edu |
leebr@eecg.toronto.edu | (try Linux... the best and free UN*X clone!)
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From: laszlo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Tyson F Nuss)
Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all tim
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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Reply-To: laszlo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4
Originator: laszlo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
> In article <1993Mar29.161044.1@uncavx.unca.edu>, bwillard@uncavx.unca.edu
> wrote:
>>
>> 8. Saab 900 - ignition is on floor!?!
Actually, this started as a great idea. Before steering-column
locks became popular, Saab installed a *gearshift* lock -- put the car
in reverse, remove the key, and the car *stays* in reverse!
Also, suppose you get into your car, and a thug comes up and
demands your keys at gunpoint. You hand them over, he gets in, and
HAS NO IDEA WHERE TO PUT THE KEY! At this, he will run away (or perhaps
shoot you anyway %-}). I heard this actually happened somewhere...
Btw, I hear that the Saab 900's new successor will have the
ignition on the console, between the seats, where it belongs.
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___ A laszlo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
| | {*} Redhead Afficionado Extraordinaire *and*
| | __V__ Little Canadia's Minister of Fine Tobaccos
|_|o_|%%%|0_ Cigaret brands sampled: 55 import/luxury, 17 handrolling
| |
| | These opinions are not necessarily mine (or mine, either).
|_______| -----> Can anyone bum me a .sig?
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From: aj@sage.cc.purdue.edu (John Dormer)
Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption
Summary: Misinterretation got us here today
Keywords: constitution, misinterpretation, law
Organization: Purdue Daemons
Distribution: na
Lines: 26
Misinterpretation, though it should be a crime in itself, is what
United States lawyers use to make their bread and butter.
In Manchester, CT a few years ago, a small company wanted to run a
game system galled "LaserGames," similar in many aspects to Photon
(tm). Three lawyers and about a hundred citizens found an ancient law
in Manchester's books which clearly from context was designed to
prohibit travelling carnivals by enumerating the features of a carnival
which they felt at the time made the prohibition obvious. Among these
things was "shooting galleries," which is what the lawyers for the
opposition to LaserGames wanted to harp upon. The judge took the two
words from this law, completely out of context, and ruled that
LaserGames could not operate in Manchester.
Keep in mind that most travelling carnivals use projectile weapons in
their shooting galleries, and not light beams. Clearly from context,
LaserGames got shafted, but if the two words are applied, their denial
of operating permission was justified.
If I had the text of the law I'd post it, but I'm afraid I don't
remember it all well enough to even try. That little bit with the two
words stuck well, though.
: John Dormer
: jad@expert.cc.purdue.edu
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From: mdell+@pitt.edu (Michael G Dellinger)
Subject: Re: Stop predicting
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Lines: 36
In article <1993Apr16.233148.9711@rose.com> jack.petrilli@rose.com (jack petrilli) writes:
>On April 16, cdkaupan@eos.ncsu.edu (CARL DAVID KAUPANG) wrote:
>
>C(--> It is really annoying to see all of these
>C(--> predictions on the Net. Who really cares
>C(--> who you think will win? Please stop with
>C(--> the predictions, we all know the Caps are
>C(--> going to win the Cup, so let it go at that.
>C(-->
>
>Haa!!! That's one of the things I find **most** interesting in this
>newsgroup. It's a good way of cluing into the "collective wisdom" of
>the average hockey fans. That doesn't mean they're always right,
>however. For example, the Habs are going to come out of the Adams and
>hardly anyone believes that right now.
>
>- Jack
>
> * It's hard to be humble when you're perfect.
Well, as long as we're being unduly cocky here, It's obvious that the Pens
will cone out of the Patrick Division *not* the Caps, and also that
they will win thier third Stanley Cup. "Collective Wisdom" is a very polite
way of putting it, I don't know if I'd be so gracious.
And, for what it's worth (Probably not much) I think the Habs will come out of
the Adams too.
Not new, Long absent,
Mikey D.
__
*****************************************************************************
Mike Dellinger
Computer Lab Consultant
Sutherland Hall Computer Lab and Grill
University of Pittsburgh
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From: SHOE@PHYSICS.watstar.uwaterloo.ca (Mark Shoesmith)
Subject: Re: Let's talk sticks...
Lines: 35
Organization: University of Waterloo
In article <C50pt4.6CM@odin.corp.sgi.com> dptom@endor.corp.sgi.com (Tom Arnold) writes:
>Okay you hockey playing fans/finatics out there. I'm looking over the wide
>range of aluminum sticks for the first time. I've been playing with pieces
>of lumbar that seem to weigh alot and break after a few uses, so I'm
>thinking of changing to an aluminum shaft so when I break the blade all I
>have to do is change it. The problem is that there is such a wide reange of
>models and selections out there that I'm not certain which to consider. Can
>any of you post some of your suggestions and experiences with the aluminum
>sticks? What is the difference between models? What do you like/dislike about
>them? And, which brands are best?
>
>
I've had, and still have a few aluminum sticks. I got my first when I was 15
(a Christian), and broke the shaft halfway through the season, two years
later. I bought another (a Canadian) at the beginning of the next season,
and I still have it. I also have an Easton, that a friend was getting rid
off, after giving up the game. I find that Easton blades are easier to get,
but all brands of blades are pretty well interchangeable. Watch out for
dried up bits of firewood, that some stores pass off as blades. In my
experiences, the blades of an aluminum break more often than regular sticks,
but I've only ever broken one aluminum shaft.
I like aluminum sticks. The blades are quickly changed, even on the bench
if you have to. On the downside, the shaft won't break if you decide to
impale yourself on it :-)
Ciao,
Mark S.
"This is between me and the vegetable" - Rick Moranis in
Little Shop of Horrors
Mark Shoesmith
shoe@physics.watstar.uwaterloo.ca
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From: tribe831@snake.cs.uidaho.edu (Mr. Duane Tribe; Esq.)
Subject: Underground encryption (was Re: text of White House announcement ...)
Organization: University of Idaho, Moscow
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Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: snake.cs.uidaho.edu
In article <1qmugcINNpu9@gap.caltech.edu> hal@cco.caltech.edu (Hal Finney) writes:
>It looks like the worst nightmares raised by Dorothy Denning's proposals
>are coming true. If the government continues on this course, I imagine
>that we will see strong cryptography made illegal. Encryption programs
>for disk files and email, as well as software to allow for encrypted
>voice communications, will be distributed only through the
>"underground". People will have to learn how to hide the fact that
>they are protecting their privacy.
Some thoughts:
Has any work been done on encapsulating encrypted data inside "non-encrypted"
data files? Many file formats can be written with "gaps" in them to hide
other data. New file formats could be designed to have alternate data hidden
by dispersing it amongst the "legitimate" data. The hidden data would only
show up with the right key(s), and a file with hidden data would be
indistinguishable from one without. So, only the correct key(s) would reveal
the presence of an "illegal" document.
If I devise a custom file compression algorithm and only I and a friend have
the uncompressor, and otherwise the file appears to be total gigerish, do I
have the right to transmit the file? Will we have to "escrow" all our data
file formats? Are gangs required to escrow their hand signals, colors and
catch phrases?
I think that it's important to evaluate the content of electronic speach by
replacing the media with pen and paper or verbal speach and then re-ask the
question.
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From: aa888@freenet.carleton.ca (Mark Baker)
Subject: Re: Nature of God (Re: Environmentalism and paganism)
Reply-To: aa888@freenet.carleton.ca (Mark Baker)
Organization: The National Capital Freenet
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In a previous article, mcovingt@aisun2.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) says:
>In article <Apr.13.00.08.44.1993.28424@athos.rutgers.edu> heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath) writes:
>That is not necessarily unorthodox. When Christians call God 'Father',
>we are using a metaphor. The Bible in one place refers to God as being
>like a mother. God is neither a father nor a mother in the literal
>sense; God has some of the attributes of both; the father metaphor is
>usually used because (for most people at most times) it is the less
>misleading of the two possibilities.
I don't know which passage you are refering to, but the passage I have
often seen cited as an example of a mother image of God is Isaiah 49:15
"Can a woman forget her sucking child / that she should have no
compassion / on the son of her womb? / Even these may forget, /
yet I will not forget you."
This passage is *not* a mother image of God at all. The mother here
is the image of the best human constancy can show, and it is
contrasted with the constancy of God. The mother figure here represents
mankind, not God.
--
==============================================================================
Mark Baker | "The task ... is not to cut down jungles, but
aa888@Freenet.carleton.ca | to irrigate deserts." -- C. S. Lewis
==============================================================================
[Luke 13:34 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, killing the prophets and stoning those
who are sent to you! How often would I have gathered your children together
as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you would not!
--clh]
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From: luriem@alleg.edu(Michael Lurie) The Liberalizer
Subject: Re: Pleasant Yankee Surprises
Organization: Allegheny College
In article <1993Apr15.231903.4045@cs.cornell.edu> tedward@cs.cornell.edu
(Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:
> In article <1993Apr15.200629.7200@alleg.edu> luriem@alleg.edu(Michael
Lurie) The Liberalizer writes:
> >
> > Actually, I kind of liked the Abott trade. We did trade the rookie
of
> >the year, SNOW, but with Don mattingly at first for another 8 years,
Why
> >bother.
>
> I'd be willing to make two wagers:
> 1) Snow doesn't win ROY.
> 2) Mattingly is out of baseball within five years.
>
No, You are quite correct, but I was using some wishful thinking.
JT snow was wasting away, while Abbott can provide a great resourse for
the team.
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Subject: 1993 Honda Civic
From: <LIBEMC@BYUVM.BITNET>
Organization: Brigham Young University
Lines: 8
I'd like to converse with anyone who has purchased a 1993 Honda
Civic about their experience. I'm new to the car buying game
and would like to know what price I can expect to pay for a sedan
after bargaining.
Thanks in advance,
-- Ellen
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From: adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack)
Subject: Re: Symbiotics: Idiots-Antisemitism
Organization: Division of Applied Sciences, Harvard University
Lines: 27
In article <1483500355@igc.apc.org> Center for Policy Research <cpr@igc.apc.org> writes:
>From: Center for Policy Research <cpr>
>
>Zionism and the Holocaust
>-------------------------- by Haim Bresheeth
>
>The first point to note regarding the appropriation of the history
>of the Holocaust by Zionist propaganda is that Zionism without
>anti-semitism is impossible. Zionism agrees with the basic tenet
>of anti-Semitism, namely that Jews cannot live with non- Jews.
Wrong. Zionism *acknowledges* the fact that anti-Semites
exist, and prevent Jews from living in peace. That does not mean we
agree that Jews are all greedy, that Jews kill Christian Children,
commited deicide, or anything else. We acknowledge that there are
morons out there who do believe these things.
Adam
Adam Shostack adam@das.harvard.edu
"If we had a budget big enough for drugs and sexual favors, we sure
wouldn't waste them on members of Congress..." -John Perry Barlow
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From: frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer)
Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is
Organization: Siemens-Nixdorf AG
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NNTP-Posting-Host: d012s658.ap.mchp.sni.de
In article <1993Apr15.125245.12872@abo.fi> MANDTBACKA@FINABO.ABO.FI (Mats Andtbacka) writes:
|In <1qie61$fkt@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp writes:
|> In article <30114@ursa.bear.com> halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat) writes:
|
|> #I'm one of those people who does not know what the word objective means
|> #when put next to the word morality. I assume its an idiom and cannot
|> #be defined by its separate terms.
|> #
|> #Give it a try.
|>
|> Objective morality is morality built from objective values.
|
| "And these objective values are ... ?"
|Please be specific, and more importantly, motivate.
I'll take a wild guess and say Freedom is objectively valuable. I base
this on the assumption that if everyone in the world were deprived utterly
of their freedom (so that their every act was contrary to their volition),
almost all would want to complain. Therefore I take it that to assert or
believe that "Freedom is not very valuable", when almost everyone can see
that it is, is every bit as absurd as to assert "it is not raining" on
a rainy day. I take this to be a candidate for an objective value, and it
it is a necessary condition for objective morality that objective values
such as this exist.
--
Frank O'Dwyer 'I'm not hatching That'
odwyer@sse.ie from "Hens", by Evelyn Conlon
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From: klepa@leotech.mv.com (Kristen Lepa)
Subject: New Duo Dock With Process
Lines: 15
Seth> I fail to see any advantage whatsoever with this kind of
set-up.
Seth> What a DUMB idea.
So don't buy one.
Kristen
This copy of Freddie 1.2.5 is being evaluated.
* Origin: Leo Technology (603)432-2517/432-0922 (HST/V32)
(1:132/189)
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From: j3david@sms.business.uwo.ca (James David)
Subject: Plus minus stat...
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Nntp-Posting-Host: sms.business.uwo.ca
Lines: 65
Roger Maynard shares his views, with the masses, on Bob Gainey
and life in general:
>In <1993Apr15.160450.27799@sol.UVic.CA> gballent@hudson.UVic.CA
>(Greg Ballentine) writes:
>>The Selke candidate forwards main purpose on a shift is to
>>prevent goals from being scored- not to score them. When
>>Lemieux or Gilmour play their number one purpose is to score-
>>defence is secondary- especially considering the line that
>>plays against them is probably a defensive one. That is why
>>they are not Selke candidates.
>>Gainey is the best defensive forward ever. I stand by that
>>assessment. He was a very good player who belongs in the hall
>>of fame. Did you ever watch him play? He never made a
>>technical error.
>I watched him over his entire career. I have NEVER seen a
>player, and that includes Russell Courtnall and Davie Keon,
>screw up as many breakaways as Bob Gainey. And I will never
>forget the time Denis Potvin caught Gainey with his head down.
>You have been sold a bill of goods on Bob Gainey.
It was Bryan Trottier, not Denis Potvin. It was a vicious
'boarding' from behind...Trottier was given a major.
But Roger, what the hell does this have to do with Gainey's skill
as a hockey player? If Probert smashes Gilmour's head into the
boards next week, will that diminish your assessment of Gilmour's
skills?
>Gainey was a plugger. And when the press runs out of things to
>say about the stars on dynasties they start to hype the
>pluggers. Grant Fuhr, Essa Tikkannen, Butch Goring, Bob
>Nystrom, Bob Gainey, Doug Jarvis, Derek Sanderson, Wayne
>Cashman, Bob Baun, Bob Pulford, Ralph Backstrom, Henri Richard,
>Dick Duff...and so on...
I would take Fuhr and Sanderson off of the latter.
I think Gainey would be honoured to know that you've included him
on this list. I also think you have a relatively naive view
about what wins a hockey game...pluggers are an integral part of
any team. The Selke is designed to acknowledge their
contribution...I think that most people understand that it's not
the Nobel Prize...so settle down.
>cordially, as always,
>rm
>--
>Roger Maynard
>maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca
congenially, as always,
jd
--
James David
david@student.business.uwo.ca
j3david@sms.business.uwo.ca (James David)
Western Business School -- London, Ontario
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From: mikec@sail.LABS.TEK.COM (Micheal Cranford)
Subject: Re: *** The list of Biblical contradictions
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton, OR.
Lines: 37
Jim Brown wrote :
[ deleted ]
>I feel that those who use the KJV as a basis for arguing Biblical
>contradictions are either being intellectually dishonest (purposefully
>wanting to show the Bible in the worst light possible), or they are
>being mentally lazy and are taking the easy way out. Either way, they
>leave the theist the option of countering with, "Well, that's just the
>KJV, that's not what my XXX version says."
[ deleted ]
Unfortunately, it's not that simple. The KJV is preferred by the majority
of fundamentalists (at least here). The second part of your argument fails
as well, since that statement can be used against any version (not just the
KJV).
[ deleted ]
>I've based my argument on one of the best modern translations
>available which is based on the work of the leading Biblical scholars."
[ deleted ]
I would not find this statement to be very useful since it is an appeal
to authority and the opposition will just claim that their authorities are
"better". A second tact that local creationists have used is to reply "but
those scholars are atheists and cannot be believed" (they will also use this
phrase to describe any theologians that they don't agree with).
[ deleted ]
>>>/GEN 30:39 And the flocks conceived before the rods, and brought forth
>>>/cattle ringstraked, speckled, and spotted.
[ deleted ]
The verse being discussed clearly claims that sympathetic magic works (i.e.
placing stripped sticks in the cattle breeding grounds causes stripped and
spotted calves to be born) and should be attacked on that basis (no biologist
has ever observed this claimed correlation).
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From: <34AEJ7D@CMUVM.BITNET>
Followups-to: talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH - UPDATE
Distribution: usa
<1993Apr19.202756.6889@msuvx2.memst.edu>
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Ah yes, I see a few liberal weenies have come out of the woodwork
to defend the burning of the children. Probably drooled all over themselves
while watching the TV coverage.
Probably had a few like that in Nazi Germany, as well.
Oh yeah, ATF/FBI now claims, according the the media, that there are
a few survivors. The number seems to vary minute by minute.
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From: mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca (Malcolm Lee)
Subject: Re: A KIND and LOVING God!!
Organization: Royal Roads Military College, Victoria, B.C.
Lines: 39
In article <sandvik-190493200858@sandvik-kent.apple.com>, sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes:
|> In article <1993Apr19.165717.25790@ra.royalroads.ca>,
|> mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca (Malcolm Lee) wrote:
|> >
|> > It is true what you stated above: Jesus' saving grace is available to
|> > everyone, not just Jews. In other words, everyone can have salvation but
|> > not everyone will. This option is now open to people other than just
|> > Jews. Of course, if the Jews don't accept the deity of Christ, I would
|> > hardly expect them to accept anything that Christ said. But I don't feel
|> > any animosity towards them. Even though they persecuted Jesus and his
|> > disciples and eventually crucified Him, I bear them no ill will. If anything,
|> > I feel pity for them. Jesus had to die to pay the price for our sins and
|> > so the Jews were merely fulfilling prophesy. Jesus knew He had to die even
|> > before He began His ministry. That demonstrates the great depth of His love
|> > for us.
|>
|> Jesus certainly demonstrated the great depth of his love for the
|> children who died today at the Davidian complex.
|>
|> Sorry, but the events today made me even more negative concering
|> organized religion.
|>
I understand and sympathize with your pain. What happened in Waco was a very
sad tradgedy. Don't take it out on us Christians though. The Branch
Davidians were not an organized religion. They were a cult led by a ego-maniac
cult leader. The Christian faith stands only on the shoulders of one man,
the Lord of Lords and King of Kings, Jesus Christ. BTW, David Koresh was NOT
Jesus Christ as he claimed.
God be with you,
Malcolm Lee :)
|> Cheers,
|> Kent
|> ---
|> sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net.
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From: vojak@icebucket.stortek.com (Bill Vojak)
Subject: UPI News Release
Originator: vojak@icebucket.stortek.com
Nntp-Posting-Host: icebucket.stortek.com
Organization: Storage Technology Corp.
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UPI Washington DC, Update Desk 4/15/93
For the past several months the Clinton administration has been
stymied by mixed signals coming from the economy. While most
leading indicators has shown an apparent improvement in the
economy, there has been no corresponding improvement in the area
of jobs creation.
The unemployment figures seem stalled at the 7% mark. last month,
in an effort to understand this problem, President Clinton appointed
a blue ribbon panel to try to resolve the apparent conflicting
economic signals. This panel was chaired by Vice President Gore.
Today the panel released their results, providing a shocking conclusion.
"It's the guns" Vice President Gore said. Apparently NRA members, and other
"gun-nuts" are purchasing firearms at in record numbers, pulling the
economy out of the recession. "Their buying them five times faster than
ever before, and stockpiling left and right", the Vice President said.
However, since many domestic firearm and ammunition manufacturers have
been experiencing hard times during the past few years, including several
declarations of bankruptcy by many leading American gun makers, they have
not rushed to increase hiring to meet the new demand.
"We want to see if this run will continue before hiring more people", said
the President of Colt industries. "As long as Clinton is in office, we
suspect it will", he added.
In response to this new information, President Clinton announced a new
Gun Control measure to be introduced into Congress this session. It's
called the "Ban-One-A-Month" Gun Control Bill. Under the terms of this law,
every make and model of all firearms will be written on individual index
cards. The cards will all be put in a big hat and the President will draw
one card every month. Sixty days later that gun will be banned from any
further manufacture/importation or sale in this country, except to the
politically connected and to members of the National Police Force.
The President said, "This law will benefit America two ways. When the
Gun-Of-The-Month is announced every thirty days, the gun-nuts will run
out and buy thousands of them, boosting the economy even more. In addition,
over the long run, we will get all of these icky-evil guns off of the
street." He also announce the appointment of Sarah Brady to oversee
this program, citing her "Honesty, and unbiased view on the subject
of gun control".
Senators Metzenbaum, DeConcini, Feinstein, and Boxer have proposed an
amendment to the Bill which would add additional index cards containing
caliber designations for all know ammunitions. "Their stockpiling,
stockpiling, stockpiling" screamed Metzenbaum during a press conference
at the national Headquarters of Handgun Control Inc.
Senators Simon, Metzenbaum, and Moyenhan also introduced an amendment
that would make all guns illegal to possess once the last card has been
drawn from the hat. Senator Simon was quoted as saying, "First we'll
fuck em, then we'll kick em out of bed in the morning", during a press
conference he held in the second floor Mens Restroom of the Senate
building. He of course was referring to the fact that he would allow
the people to purchase the guns to help the economy, but would require
the BATF to seize all of the guns in America sometime in the year 2008,
after all of the cards have been drawn.
The head of the BATF responded by saying, "We will have to see if this
thing in Waco is over by then. We may be too busy to seize all those
guns".
US House Representatives Pat Schroeder and David Skaggs of Colorado
declared this proposed law as being "reasonable gun control which won't
affect anybodys Constitutional right to own sporting guns".
- end article -
For the humor impaired :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)
Bill Vojak
vojak@icebucket.stortek.com
NRA, ILA,
Colorado Firearms Coalition
------------------------------------------------------------
The CBS Nightly Propaganda With Dan Rather. (RATHER NOT!)
The CBS Nightly Propaganda With Dan Rather. (RATHER BIASED!)
------------------------------------------------------------
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From: kudla@acm.rpi.edu (Robert Kudla)
Subject: Re: Warning on Copy II PC Board + Help on Copying?
Keywords: Mislead, Misinform, Misdirect, COPY
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In <C4zwC0.6LK@acsu.buffalo.edu> v063kcbp@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (MITCH) writes:
>Now, does anyone know a way to back up the masters of Word-Perfect 5.1 for
>Windows, Windows 3.1, and Norton 6.0 so I can send another copy to my
>permanent (non-college) address for safe-keeping? Students keep borrowing
>my masters, and I'm worried they'll get screwed up! (Please don't tell me
You realize, of course, that inevitably some anal retentive moron is
going to come along and wag his fingers and his jowls in outrage that
personal politics are more important than [SMCAP][BOLD][Font:God
999pt.]The Law[smcap][bold][font].
But that's irrelevant to the problem here. Windows came with my
system, but on 5.25" disks. I hate using 5.25" disks, so I copied
them over to high density 3.5"'s using xcopy. It worked fine. In
fact, for a while I was changing configurations and whatnot so much
that I decided to try putting them on the hard disk. Not only can you
copy them over with one disk per directory, but if you want to, you
can simply copy them all into one directory. Makes it a lot nicer
when you're switching printer emulations around.
Norton 6.0 I don't have much experience with, but when a friend's
system crashed, we restored from a backup rather than from the
originals, and it worked fine. This would imply that arj a -r norton
c:\nu would create a workable backup, and if you did a full install
the first time, you've got the whole thing.
Never played with WP for Windows; I'm not too big of a fan of anything
from Utah.
Good luck....
Disclaimer: Don't Copy That Floppy! (tm) Just Say No! (r) Respect Your Elders!
For The Wages Of Sin Is (sic) Death And A Hefty Legal Bill! DO YOU OFFEND?
Rob
--
Rob kudla@acm.rpi.edu Keywords - Oldfield Jane's Leather Yes Win3.1 Phish
light blue right Bondage r.e.m. DTP Steely Dan DS9 FNM OWL Genesis In the
spaceship, the silver spaceship, the lion takes control.....
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Organization: Penn State University
From: Andrew Newell <TAN102@psuvm.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: Christian Morality is
<C5prCA.590@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
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In article <C5prCA.590@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Mike Cobb)
says:
>
>In <11836@vice.ICO.TEK.COM> bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) writes:
>
>>In article <C5L1Ey.Jts@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Mike
>Cobb) writes:
>
>> If I'm wrong, god is free at any time to correct my mistake. That
>> he continues not to do so, while supposedly proclaiming his
>> undying love for my eternal soul, speaks volumes.
>
>What are the volumes that it speaks besides the fact that he leaves your
>choices up to you?
Leaves the choices up to us but gives us no better reason
to believe than an odd story of his alleged son getting
killed for us? And little new in the past few thousand
years, leaving us with only the texts passed down through
centuries of meddling with the meaning and even wording.
...most of this passing down and interpretation of course
coming from those who have a vested interest in not allowing
the possibility that it might not be the ultimate truth.
What about maybe talking to us directly, eh?
He's a big god, right? He ought to be able to make time
for the creations he loves so much...at least enough to
give us each a few words of direct conversation.
What, he's too busy to get around to all of us?
Or maybe a few unquestionably-miraculous works here and
there?
...speaks volumes upon volumes to me that I've never
gotten a chance to meet the guy and chat with him.
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From: royc@rbdc.wsnc.org (Roy Crabtree)
Subject: Re: A Message for you Mr. President: How do you know what happened?
Organization: Red Barn Data Center
Lines: 83
In article <bskendigC5rCBG.Azp@netcom.com> bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) writes:
>visser@convex.com (Lance Visser) writes:
>>
>> They cut off the water, there were no fire trucks present
>
>They refused to bring in fire equipment for fear that the firemen
>would be shot at.
>
>>and the FBI/ATF go blasting holes into the builing and firing gas munitions.
>
>They used a tank to knock a hole in the wall, and they released
>non-toxic, non-flammable tear gas into the building.
Take a second look at "non-toxic, non-flammable":
MACE (sold tothe public) is supposedly nontoxic.
Whatthey do not tell you is that if you get mace directly
on the linings of the lungs (such as a direct snort to
the face) above certain quantities, it reacts similarly
to a mustard gas inhalation.
I know: my father and grandfather were exposed
to poison gas in WWI and WWII; Dad went through
the side effects of any WEAPON, including those
"non-toxic" aerosols.
WHat the label ACTUALLY means is ::
usually, it wont kill you
it may give you permanent CSS asthsma
but that's better than blowing a hole in your
head ...
ALL aerosols are flammable IF YOU HAVE ENOUGH OXYGEN
AND HIT IT WITH THE RIGHT IGNITER. SOme of the most
non-flammable substances known will BOOM or SEARFLAME
if you hit it with the right combo.
Let's take one: a trash can fire. Makes black smoke;
already burned right? Can't go boom, right? Wrong.
Suck that smoke (made up of paper that has carbonized,
or burned about 35% of the fuel in it) into an air
conditioning return, mix with about 5:1 air, and light
a match. 200 feet of conduit is about the same, when
filled with that smoke mixture, as oh, say 200 pounds TNT
THAT is why the fire codes say NO OPEN CEILING
TILES IN BUILDINGS. Because 3-5 stories of
a building have blown OUT by "nonflammable _smoke_"
So:
Take a little "nonflammable aerosol"
Mix with gasoline or kerosene fumes
NO electricity, remeber? A bit of heating
on the WACO plains? Boil water to drink
since the water was cut off?
liberally mix and allow to settle for 1-4 hours
Fumes vent down into the bus underground, and the Davidians
move the children UPSTAIRS to a saferoom (they had one,
armor plated, remember?) to BREATH, because kids get sick
and die from tear gas.
and along comes a tracer, a spark, what have you:
everyone burns to death.
Try thinking before opening mouth: it may not have happened the
way the Gmen say it did.
>
>--
>_/_/_/ Brian Kendig Je ne suis fait comme aucun
>/_/_/ bskendig@netcom.com de ceux que j'ai vus; j'ose croire
>_/_/ n'etre fait comme aucun de ceux qui existent.
> / The meaning of life Si je ne vaux pas mieux, au moins je suis autre.
> / is that it ends. -- Rousseau
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From: lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico)
Subject: Re: Giveaways
Nntp-Posting-Host: lli.mach.cs.cmu.edu
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Lines: 13
In article <1993Apr14.173826.29856@philabs.philips.com> jpc@philabs.philips.com (John P. Curcio) writes:
>
>That's probably because they couldn't find anyone to sponser it... Maybe USS
>could sponser the Pittsburgh Penguins/US Steel Steel Rod Night-- close enough?
Maybe in the 60's, but not now. Steel is a dead industry in Pgh.
No, a giveaway night in the 90's for Pgh would be "Baboon Liver Night"
sponored by The Pittsburgh Zoo...
Lori
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From: MCARTWR@auvm.american.edu (Martina Cartwright)
Subject: Re: Why not concentrate on child molesters?
Article-I.D.: auvm.93096.030733MCARTWR
<1993Mar28.022903.13575@ncsu.edu> <93087.042722MCARTWR@auvm.american.edu>
<Mar28.195002.34060@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>
<93087.190106MCARTWR@auvm.american.edu> <7166@pdxgate.UUCP>
<1993Apr5.233224.10069@lmpsbbs.
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Lines: 53
In article <1993Apr5.233224.10069@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>,
bhv@areaplg2.corp.mot.com (Bronis Vidugiris) says:
>
>In article <7166@pdxgate.UUCP> a0cb@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (Chris Bertholf) writes:
>)MCARTWR@auvm.american.edu (Martina Cartwright) writes:
>)
>)
>)>The official and legal term for rape is "the crime of forcing a FEMALE
>)>to submit to sexual intercourse."
>)
>)Please, supply me with some references. I was not aware that all states
>)had the word "FEMALE" in the rape statutes. I am sure others are surprised
>)as well. I know thats how it works in practice (nice-n-fair, NOT!!), but
>)was unaware that it was in the statutes as applying to FEMALES only,
>)uniformly throughout the U.S.
>
>I agree mostly with Chris. It is (unfortunately, IMO) true that the *FBI*
>figures for rape based on the 'uniform crime report' report only female
>rapes. However, some states (such as Illinois) are not tabluated because they
>refuse to comply with this sexist definition!
>--
>The worms crawl in
>The worms crawl out
>The worms post to the net from your account
Insofar as several "liberal" jurisdictions are concerned, the essential
elements of rape are gender neutral. Nonetheless, I decided to provide
a number of references to support my original argument. Black's Law
Dictionary (every law student/lawyer's friend) defines rape as: Unlawful
sexual intercourse with a female without her consent. The unlawful
knowledge of a woman by a man forcibly and against her will. The Model
Penal Code (the statute proposed by the National Conference of Commissioners
of Uniform State Laws or other organization for adoption by state legislatures)
defines rape as: A male who has sexual intercourse with a female not his wife
is guilty of rape if he (a) compels her to submit by force or by threat of
imminent death.... (MPC @213.1(1)(a))
Indeed the following jurisdictions/states have statutes similar to the MPC:
Alabama-- Code of Ala. @13A-6-61 (1992)
Arkansas--Ark.Stat.Ann. @5-14-103 (1993)
District of Columbia--D.C. Code @22-2801 (1992)
Georgia--O.F.G.A. @16-6-1 (1992)
Idaho--Idaho Code @18-6101 (1992)
Maryland--Md.Ann.Code.Art. 27 @462 (1992)
Mississippi--Miss.Code Ann. @97-3-71 (1993)
New York (check case law)--N.Y.C.L.S. Penal @130.35 (1993)
North Carolina--N.C. Gen.Stat. @14-27-2 (1992)
Puerto Rico--L.P.R.A. @4062 (1993)
Ta,
Martina
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From: kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov (Scott Dorsey)
Subject: Re: R/S Battery of the Month Club
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center and Reptile Farm
Lines: 9
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In article <JWATERMA.93Apr14214858@jade.tufts.edu> jwaterma@jade.tufts.edu (Jason Waterman) writes:
>I talked to a friend who works for Radio Shack, and he said the deal
>with the Red Batteries were that they had too much lead in them.
>Condidering the Red Batteries had a life cycle shorter than a mayflies,
>I think the EPA was worried about all those batteries being dumped out.
Pardon me, but why would carbon-zinc cells have any lead in them at all.
--scott
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From: renes@ecpdsharmony.cern.ch (Rene S. Dutch student)
Subject: InterViews graphics package
Organization: CERN European Lab for Particle Physics
Lines: 7
Hello,
I'm trying out the C++ graphics package InterViews. Besides the man pages
on the classes, I haven't got any documentation. Is there anything else
around? Furthermore, can anyone send me a (small!) example program
which shows how to use these classes together ? I would be very gratefull...
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From: ks@n8pph52.nt.com (Kamlesh Shah)
Subject: Question on Motif Diaog Shell Widget under vuewm...
Organization: bnr
Distribution: usa
Lines: 16
Dear netters,
I have noticed something rather weared (I think) about creating a dialog shell
widget while running HP Vue's vuewm.
For some reason, every time I create a dialog shell the foreground and backgroun
d colors are different compared to my toplevel shell.
I am not doing anything special/different.
Does any body know anything about this problem?? How to fix it without hardcodin
g the colors ?
Please respond to kamlesh@salzo.cary.nc.usa ....
Thanks !
-Kamlesh
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From: kirjy@strix.udac.uu.se (Jonathan Yuen)
Subject: Re: European M/C Insurance
Organization: Uppsala University
Lines: 5
NNTP-Posting-Host: strix.udac.uu.se
I moved to Sweden and I have to take all the tests again (written and
road) even though I had a valid US license for 12 some years...
Of course I became a resident, and could drive on my US license until
I became resident. Don't know about Italy, it's different in the EEC.
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From: khan0095@nova.gmi.edu (Mohammad Razi Khan)
Subject: Looking for a good book for beginners
Organization: GMI Engineering&Management Institute, Flint, MI
Lines: 10
I wanted to know if any of you out there can recommend a good
book about graphics, still and animated, and in VGA/SVGA.
Thanks in advance
--
Mohammad R. Khan / khan0095@nova.gmi.edu
After July '93, please send mail to mkhan@nyx.cs.du.edu
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Subject: XGA-2 info?
From: rleberle@sparc2.cstp.umkc.edu (Rainer Leberle)
Distribution: World
Organization: University of Missouri Kansas City
NNTP-Posting-Host: sparc2.cstp.umkc.edu
Lines: 13
Hi,
has anyone more info about the XGA-2 chipset?
HW-funcs, TrueColor, Resolutions,...
Any boards with XGA-2 out yet?
thanks
Rainer
--
Rainer Leberle rleberle@sparc2.cstp.umkc.edu
University of Kansas City, MO
>> New mail from clinton@whitehouse.dc.gov - (No Subject Specified)
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From: bmoss@grinch.sim.es.com (Brent "Woody" Moss)
Subject: Re: Changing oil by self.
Keywords: n
Nntp-Posting-Host: 130.187.200.5
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, UT
Distribution: usa
Lines: 26
In article <1993Apr15.160922.8797@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, sorlin@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steven J Orlin) writes:
|>
|> In article <1993Apr15.135514.29579@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> rdb1@cbnewsj.cb.att.com
|> (ronald.j.deblock..jr) writes:
|>
|> >You can avoid these problems entirely by installing an oil drain valve in
|> >place of the bolt. I have one on both of my cars. There have been no
|> >leaks in 210,000 miles (combined miles on both cars).
|>
|> Yes, but then someone would have no problem draining your oil in a parking lot.
|>
|> all they have to do is reach underneath, turn a valve, and forget the trip
|> home.
|> But there is less likelyhood they have a wrench with them.
|>
|> I personally recommend, installing a 'special' locking drain plug to keep
|> vandals away. :---)
|>
|> steve
I was worried about someone stealing my oil once also. I finally
decided to just have my drain plug welded shut. It works great !
I figure that when I add three or four quarts when the oil light
comes on every month or so that it's just as good or better than
the old wives tale of changing the oil AND filter every 3000 miles.
Works for me, I must say.
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From: mrr@scss3.cl.msu.edu (Mark Riordan)
Subject: List of large integer arithmetic packages
Organization: Michigan State University
Lines: 285
NNTP-Posting-Host: scss3.cl.msu.edu
Summary: C functions to do arbitrary-precision arith
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
This is the file BIGNUMS.TXT from ripem.msu.edu, last updated April 1993.
In response to Email requests, I have assembled this list of
large-integer arithmetic packages of which I have heard.
Most of these are C function libraries, available in source form.
For your convenience, I have placed copies of
some of these on ripem.msu.edu (35.8.1.178). They are
available for anonymous FTP in the directory "pub/bignum".
However, what I have may not be the most current version in all cases.
Here they are, in no particular order:
mp
Multiple Precision package that comes with some Unixes
Multiple precision package accessed via -lmp flag on your
compiler. Provides +, -, *, /, gcd, exponentiation,
sqrt. Comes with SunOS, NeXT Mach, BBN Mach 1000,
and probably a few others. See "man mp".
Object code only, of course.
PARI
Henri Cohen, et al., Universite Bordeaux I, Paris, FRANCE
Multiple precision desk calculator and library routines.
Contains optimized assembly code for Motorola 68020,
semi-optimized code for SPARC, and apparently rather slow
generic C version. Does both integers and reals.
Does vectors and matrices as well as scalars.
Contains a number of advanced functions, some of which I've
never heard of. ("Weber's function"?)
Has a factorization function, primality test, & other related stuff.
Plenty of TEX documentation.
Public domain, but you can't distribute modified versions.
Available via anonymous FTP from math.ucla.edu. There seem to
be Mac- and NeXT-specific versions there in addition to:
Filename: pari-1.35a.tar.Z
Arithmetic in Global Fields (Arith)
Kevin R. Coombes, David R. Grant
Package of routines for arbitrary precision integers or
polynomials over finite fields. Includes basic +, -, *, /
and a few others like gcd. Source code in C.
Distributed under the terms of the GNU public license.
Includes man pages and TEX documentation.
Filename: arith.tar.Z
Arbitrary Precision Math Library
Lloyd Zusman Los Gatos, CA
C package which supports basic +, -, *, /. Provides for radix
points (i.e., non-integers). Not as polished as the others here.
Posted to comp.sources.misc in October 1988.
Filename: apml.tar.Z
BigNum
J. Vuillemin, INRIA, FRANCE, and others.
Distributed by Digital Equipment Paris Research Lab (DECPRL)
A "portable and efficient arbitrary-precision integer" package.
C code, with generic C "kernel", plus assembly "kernels" for
MC680x0, Intel i960, MIPS, NS32032, Pyramid, and of course VAX.
This is probably one of the better-known packages of this type.
Implements +, -, *, /, mod, plus logical operations OR, AND, XOR.
Both signed and unsigned arithmetic available.
Available via email from librarian@decprl.dec.com.
You will receive 5 shell archives. Give your postal address
and you will also receive printed documentation from France.
Package includes TEX documentation.
Publicly available for non-commercial use.
I removed this from my archive when I heard a rumor that PRL
doesn't like others to distribute it. However, BIGNUM *is*
distributed as part of ecpp (see below).
Lenstra's package
Arjen Lenstra Bellcore
Portable unsigned integer package written entirely in C.
Includes +, -, *, /, exponentiation, mod, primality testing,
sqrt, random number generator, and a few others. The package
was uncommented and undocumented; I have tried to add enough
comments to get by. This is the only of these packages that I
have actually used. It works well and is very portable.
I haven't done any benchmarks against the others, but the code
looks clever & Lenstra is an accomplished number theorist.
Unlike the other packages here, this one requires you to allocate
storage statically--only a problem if your numbers are really huge.
Arjen has placed the code in the public domain.
Filename: lenstra.tar.Z
lenstra_3.1
Arjen Lenstra, Bellcore
An improved version of Arjen's package above. This one
does signed arithmetic and dynamic allocation (which can be turned
off as an option). Has a few new routines, too. "lenstra_3.1" contains
minor bugfixes to the previously-available "lenstra_2" and "lenstra_3".
Filename: lenstra_3.1.c
bmp (Brent's Multiple Precision?)
R. P. Brent
1981 vintage FORTRAN code to do extended precision floating &
fixed point arithmetic. Includes most of the mathematical
functions you'd find in a FORTRAN run-time library.
This code is an ACM algorithm, number 524.
To obtain, send a mail message to netlib@ornl.gov
containing the line "send mp.f from bmp" or better yet, perhaps
just start with "help".
SPX
Kannan Alagappan & Joseph Tardo, DEC
This is a huge prototype public key authentication system
based on RSA. I mention it here because those who have heard
of SPX have probably correctly guessed that it contains a large
integer package and I want to inform you that the large integer
package it contains is indeed DEC's BigNum from France.
You can get a beta test copy of SPX from crl.dec.com (192.58.206.2).
Use it only for testing, as it "may" expire on a certain date.
(I don't know whether this has expired yet.)
amp (Antti's Multiple Precision?)
Antti Louko alo@kampi.hut.fi
Multiple precision integer package in C. Includes +, -, *, /, %,
pow, mod, 1/x mod y, random, sqrt, gcd. Available for non-commercial
use. The package includes "share-secret", a public key system based
on the Diffie-Hellman algorithm.
This is normally part of the well-known "des-dist.tar.Z",
but I have removed the DES part to avoid having to deal with
cryptographic export laws, and have named the result:
Filename: amp.tar.Z
gennum
Per Bothner U of Wisconsin-Madison
C++ routines and classes to do generic arithmetic, both
integer and rational.
Formerly available on sevenlayer.cs.wis.edu. However, it
seems to have disappeared. Sorry.
MIRACL
(By someone in Dublin, Ireland)
Integer and fractional multiple precision package.
Includes factorization, primality testing, encryption.
Not public domain, apparently. It is available from the Austin
Code Works. (See ads in Byte Magazine or Dr. Dobbs.)
precision
Dave Barrett barrettd@tigger.colorado.edu
Multiple precision integer package in C with +,-,*,/, sqrt, rand,
mod, pow, log. Simple vector support. Does dynamic allocation of memory.
Free as long as you don't sell it or any program that uses it.
Filename: precision.tar.Z
UBASIC
Prof. Yuji Kida, Rikkyo University, Nishi-Ikebukuro 3, Tokyo 171, Japan
kida@rkmath.rikkyo.ac.jp
Multiple-precision version of the BASIC programming language,
for MS-DOS. Includes floating point. Said (by Keith Briggs)
to be pretty fast. Object only, I think. ervin@morekypr.bitnet
says: "This is the best package that I know of for
fast arithmetic. Has a version optimized for 386 machines. Includes
routines to do MPQS, the fastest currently known general factoring
algorithm. An additional file is at both sites to allow MPQS to use
hard drives so that it can factor up to 80 digits. Many number
theoretical functions are included in UBASIC. It allows over 2500
digits of precision."
Available via anonymous FTP from shape.mps.ohio-state.edu,
or simtel20.army.mil, or wuarchive.wustl.edu.
calc_v22
Unknown
MS-DOS C-like language that allows "infinite" precision.
Nice intrinsic functions. ervin@morekypr.bitnet reports problems
when changing precision on the fly.
See simtel20 or wuarchive.
briggs_arith
Keith Briggs (kbriggs@mundoe.maths.mu.oz.au)
Turbo Pascal 5 source for routines that do multiple-precision
+, -, *, /, sqrt, gcd, factoring, rand for integers; also includes
+, -, *, / and rand for rational numbers.
Filename: briggs_arith.pas
Institute fur Experimentelle Mathematik
Dr Gerhard Schneider (?)
Fast C multiple-precision subroutine library.
I don't know anything about it; sl25@ely.cl.cam.ac.uk says
to contact MAT420@DE0HRZ1A.BITNET for more info.
Postal Address:
Institute fur Experimentelle Mathematik
EllernStr 29
D4300 Essen-12 GERMANY
LongInt
Markus Mueller (mueller@komsys.tik.ethz.ch)
"Multi precision arithmetic written in MODULA-2, with the most time critical
parts written in Assembler. Includes basic arithmetics (+, -, *, /, %) as
well as arithmetics MODULO a number. An additional module provides a
collection of procedures for primality testing, gcd, multiplicative
inverse and more. The package is part of a Privacy Enhanced Mail (PEM)
package which includes a PEM mailer, RSA key generator and Certificate
generation tools."
Source is in Modula-2, C, and assembler for Sun 3. LongInt has
also been ported to MS-DOS under Logitech Modula-2 and Turbo
Assembler. Availability: free for university use (research and
education); otherwise, a source license is required. To obtain,
write or email to:
Markus Mueller
Bertastrasse 7
CH-8953 Dietikon
Switzerland
email: mueller@komsys.tik.ethz.ch
bignum-1.2
Henrik.Johansson@Nexus.Comm.SE
Bignum package written in portable C. Will in the future
conform to the Common Lisp functions that handles integers.
Currently includes +, -, *, /, exponentiation, "exptmod",
comparison, random numbers, and gcd.
Filename: bignum-1.2
GNU Multiple Precision
GNU (Free Software Foundation) multiple precision package.
I haven't looked at it yet. This is current as of April 1992,
but there may be a more recent version by the time you read
this. This package is very widely available on FTP sites.
Filename: gmp-1.2.tar.Z
Elliptic Curve Primality Proving
Francois Morian, France.
Large package to prove the primality of any prime.
Includes Inria's BIGNUM package.
Obtained from ftp.inria.fr (128.93.1.26).
Filename: ecpp.V3.4.1.tar.Z
PGP (Pretty Good Privacy)
Philip Zimmermann prz@sage.cgd.ucar.EDU
Intel-based crypto package that includes bignum routines in C,
said to be quite fast for Intel processors. Unix and Mac
versions also available.
The crypto package violates RSA patents, but the bignum routines
can be used without fear of legal repercussions.
Bell's Arbitrary Precision Calculator
David I. Bell, Australia (dbell@pdact.pd.necisa.oz.au)
Arbitrary-precision calculator with good online help, C-like
language, many builtin functions, support for integers,
rational numbers (they work like floating point), complex numbers,
matrices, strings, lists, files, "objects". Includes
gcd, primality testing, even trig functions. Recommended.
(Large package, though.) Obtained from comp.sources.unix.
Filename: calc-1.24.7.tar.Z
Built-in support in other languages
Various
Multiple precision arithmetic is available in a number of
programming languages, such as Lisp and ABC (cf. mcsun.eu.net).
Perl (by Larry Wall, available from devvax.jpl.nasa.gov)
includes source, in Perl, for such a package, but it's probably
not suitable for serious use.
For some of these, source code may be available. This list is
long enough, so I'm not going to pursue it aggressively.
Thanks to Ed Vielmetti and several others who contributed to this list.
Mark Riordan mrr@ripem.msu.edu
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From: farenebt@logic.camp.clarkson.edu (Droopy)
Subject: AHL final standings
Organization: Clarkson University
Lines: 35
Nntp-Posting-Host: logic.clarkson.edu
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
FINAL 1992-93 AMERICAN HOCKEY LEAGUE STANDINGS
NORTHERN DIVISION W L T PTS GF GA LYF*
Providence Bruins 46 32 2 94 384 348 56
Adirondack Red Wings 36 35 9 81 331 308 84
Capital District Isles 34 34 12 80 280 285 75
Springfield Indians 25 41 14 64 282 336 94
New Haven Senators 22 47 11 55 262 343 --
SOUTHERN DIVISION W L T PTS GF GA LYF
Binghamton Rangers 57 13 10 124# 392 246 91
Rochester Americans 40 33 7 87 348 332 86
Utica Devils 33 36 11 77 325 354 74
Baltimore Skipjacks 28 40 12 68 318 353 66
Hershey Bears 27 41 12 66 316 339 83
Hamilton Canucks 29 45 6 64 284 327 --
ATLANTIC DIVISION W L T PTS GF GA LYF
St John's Maple Leafs 41 26 13 95 351 308 90
Fredericton Canadiens 38 31 11 87 314 278 96
Cape Breton Oilers 36 32 12 84 356 336 82
Moncton Hawks 31 33 16 78 292 306 74
Halifax Citadels 33 37 10 76 312 348 67
*- Last year's point total
#- League record total
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+ Bri Farenell farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu +
+ AHL, ECAC and Boston Bruins contact for rec.sport.hockey +
+ Adirondack Red Wings, Calder Cup Champs: '81 '86 '89 '92 +
+ Clarkson Hockey, ECAC Tournament Champs: '66 '91 '93 +
+ Glens Falls High Hockey, NY Division II State Champs: '90 '91 +
+ AHL fans: join the AHL mailing list: ahl-news-request@andrew.cmu.edu +
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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From: banz@umbc.edu (Rob Banz)
Subject: Looking for an R5 Xserver for HP9000/385
Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus
Lines: 14
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: umbc7.umbc.edu
X-Auth-User: banz
Subject says it all...
Anyone know where I can find one. Binaries are nice, but source would
do to.
Thanks in advance,
--
Rob Banz (banz@umbc.edu)
"If we give people an alternative to Microsoft...it will have been
a greater good." -Steve Jobs (UnixWorld, April 1993)
"Yes, Bill, we are your father!" -IBM OS/2 Presentation, FOSE'93
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From: paul@hsh.com (Paul Havemann)
Subject: Re: Gore throws out the first ball. And media coverage of it
Distribution: usa
Organization: HSH Associates
Lines: 30
In article <1993Apr13.122543.1682@hemlock.cray.com>, rja@mahogany126.cray.com (Russ Anderson) writes:
>
> In article <C5E2JA.849@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM>, mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) writes:
>> This past Thursday VP GOre threw out the first ball at the home opener for
>> the Atlanta Braves. According to the news reports he was quite loudly booed.
>> (No, Dr. Norman, these were not your typical beer swilling red-necks.)
>>
>> Personally I wouldn't have paid any more attention to the incident except
>> that the evening news when describing the event, went on to comment that
>> being booed was nothing unusual since it was normal for audiences to
>> boo at this point since the celebrity was delaying the start of the game.
>>
>> What a bunch of crock. I have never heard of any incident in which the
>> thrower of the ceremonial ball has been booed before.
>
> Dan Quayle got roundly booed in Milwaulkee last year. (I was listening
> on the radio). This was the game that Quayle told the Brewers players that
> he would like to see them play the Orioles in the ALCS.
It's come to this, has it? Defending Al Gore by comparing him to Dan Quayle?
I'd say that about says it all... back to the pit with ye, back to alt.fan.
dan-quayle! Begone!
------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------
Paul Havemann (Internet: paul@hsh.com)
* They're not just opinions -- they're caffeine for the brain! *
** (Up to 50 milligrams per cynical observation.) **
Recommended Minimum Daily Requirement: 1,000 mg. Keep reading.
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From: DonH@cup.portal.com (Don - Hirschfeld)
Subject: Re: Toshiba 3401B CD-ROM: Any problems?
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Lines: 1
I have the PAS16 / Toshiba 3401 combo and have no problems with it.
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From: bauer@informatik.uni-ulm.de (Christian Bauer)
Subject: Re: Q700 at 34.5MHz, it's fine...
Nntp-Posting-Host: christian.informatik.uni-ulm.de
Organization: University of Ulm
Lines: 23
In article <lee5.734735026@husc.harvard.edu>, lee5@husc8.harvard.edu
(Patrick Lee) wrote:
>
> menes@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Rainer Menes) writes:
>
>
> >I wonder why nobody has ever tried to replace the oscilator only, like on a Mac IIsi. As I understand the Newer Variable Speed Overdrive is only hardware, and alittle init which is use to adjust the speed. My idear is to replace the cristal oscilator wit
> h a socket and than I can change the oscilator very easy. This will be alot cheaper the the Newer Variable Speed Overdrive. I would gues only 20$ to 50$ are need to do the upgrade.
>
> >Does someone on the net ever tried this variant of speeding up the quadra 700??
In the May issue of C't Magazine was an article about upgrading 040 models
of apple. They simply change crystals and add a fan.
Hammerhead: Centris 610 was able to work with 25 MHz (cooler prefered)
and for 1000 DM you get an 68040 (33MHz) which works with the
appropriate crystal at full speed. (extra cooling required)
Centris 650 like Quadra 700 with extra cooling 33MHz works on
most machines and for real power enthusiasts they used a
Quadra 950 at 40 MHz wow! But for better description you should
get this issue of C't (a german PC magazine!)
Christian Bauer
bauer@informatik.uni-ulm.de
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From: ohayon@jcpltyo.JCPL.CO.JP (Tsiel Ohayon)
Subject: How many israeli soldiers does it take to kill a 5 yr old child?
Organization: James Capel Pacific Limited, Tokyo Japan
Lines: 63
JLE the Great writes:
[JLE] Q: How many occupying israeli soldiers (terrorists) does it
[JLE] take to kill a 5 year old native child?
[JLE] A: Four
[JLE] Two fasten his arms, one shoots in the face,
[JLE] and one writes up a false report.
A couple of months ago JLE wrote a terrible C program (it would never have
passed compilation). This is one describes JLE the Great.
---- 8< Cut Here and save to jle.c ----------- >8 ----------
#include <stdio.h>
#include <signal.h>
#define LOSER 0x01
#define CHILDISH 0x01
#define UNHUMORISTIC 0x01
#define VULGAR 0x01
#define MOSSAD_AGENT 0x01
#define J_L_E LOSER | CHILDISH | UNHUMORISTIC | VULGAR | MOSSAD_AGENT
static void
abort()
{
printf("Even if she wanted, JLE's mother couldn't abort this program");
printf("\n\n\n\n");
}
void
main()
{
signal(SIGINT,abort);
printf("This program does not help Jewish-Arab relations :-( \n");
printf("Hit ^C to abort \n");
/* Infinite loop, JLE never comes out of his world */
while(J_L_E);
}
---- 8< Cut Here ----------- >8 ----------
To compile this "wonderfool" program on a unix machine try.
cc -o jle jle.c
or
make jle
then type jle at your prompt.
I tried it, it works great ...
Tsiel
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Employer may not have same | know as soon as possible, if possible.
opinions, if any ! | Two percent of zero is almost nothing.
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From: lee139@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (Steve Lee)
Subject: STOP MAYNARD BASHING!!!! (was Re: Roger Maynard)
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Univ. of Western Ontario, London, Canada
Distribution: world
Summary: stop this nonsense!
Keywords: not fair, inconsiderate post
Nntp-Posting-Host: asterix.gaul.csd.uwo.ca
Lines: 24
In article <1993Apr16.213024.8698@sol.UVic.CA> gballent@hudson.UVic.CA writes:
>Does anyone recieve annoying email from Roger Maynard whenever they post an
>article telling them to leave him alon and stop posting to the group??
>These emails are filled with insults- more than are usual in Roger's posts
>and have little if any hockey info.
>I have recieved two in the last 2 days.
>I am just wondering if I am special or Roger trys to bully everyone who
>disagrees with him.
>
>Gregmeister
>
You can't be serious! I and many of my colleagues have not received any
bad e-mails from Roger, in fact, Roger happens to have answered most if not
all of my hockey questions and curiosities, so before you start flaming
at me or Roger, better re-consider your nasty attitude towards Roger and the
like!
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Steve Lee * University of Western Ontario * London, Canada
lee139@obelix.gaul.csd.uwo.ca
_______________________________________________________________________________
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From: tcora@pica.army.mil (Tom Coradeschi)
Subject: Re: More MOA stuff --- like the RA
Organization: Elect Armts Div, US Army Armt RDE Ctr, Picatinny Arsenal, NJ
Lines: 20
Nntp-Posting-Host: b329-gator-3.pica.army.mil
In article <C5p26B.A3x@world.std.com>, artc@world.std.com (Art Campbell)
wrote:
>
> OK -- so we've got a hotly contested BMWOA election and some inept
> leadership.
>
> My question is the history of the BMW organization that lead to the
> formation of the BMWRA. Was there something going on in the OA years
> ago that precipitated the formation of two competing owner's groups?
Yep. Both were started (nominally) simultaneously. Splitsville from the
start (ie, if my sources are correct, one guy was involved in the start of
both groups. true?)
tom coradeschi <+> tcora@pica.army.mil
"Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea -- massive,
difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind-
boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it."
--gene spafford, 1992
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From: atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Cardinal Ximenez)
Subject: Re: Pantheism & Environmentalism
Organization: National Association for the Disorganized
Lines: 46
by028@cleveland.freenet.edu (Gary V. Cavano) writes:
>...does anybody out there see the current emphasis on the
>environment being turned (unintentionally, of course) into
>pantheism?
>I've debated this quite a bit, and while I think a legitimate
>concern for the planet is a great thing, I can easily see it
>being perverted into something dangerous.
Many pagans are involved in environmentalism--this is only natural, since
respect for the earth is a fundamental tenet of all pagan denominations. This
doesn't mean that environmentalism is wrong, any more than supporting peace in
the Middle East is wrong because Jews and Muslims also work for it.
Nonetheless, paganism is certainly on the rise, and we as Christians should
address this and look at what draws people from paganism to Christianity. Like
it or not, pagan religions are addressing needs that Christianity should be,
and isn't.
I believe that paganism has hit upon some major truths that Christianity has
forgotten. This doesn't mean that paganism is right, but it does mean that we
have something to learn from the pagan movement.
First, paganism respects the feminine. Christianity has a long history of
oppressing women, and many (if not most) male Christians are still unable to
live in a non-sexist manner. The idea that God is sexless, or that Christ
could have been a women and still accomplished his mission, is met with a great
deal of resistance. This insistance on a male-dominated theology (and the
male-dominated society that goes with it) drives away many young women who have
had to put up with sexist attitudes in their churches.
Second, paganism respects the physical world. This is an idea with great
ramifications. One of these is environmentalism--respect for our surroundings
and our world. Another is integration of sexuality. Christianity has a long
tradition of calling ALL sexual feeelings sinful and urging people to suppress
and deny their sexuality. This is too much--sex is clearly a part of human
experience and attempting to remove it is simply not a feasible option.
Christianity has only begun to develop a workable sexual ethic, and paganism
is an attractive option.
I'm not advocating that Christian doctrines (no sex before marriage, etc.)
should be changed--just that Christians work toward a more moderate ethic of
sexuality. Denial of sexuality places as much emphasis on sex as unmoderated
sexuality, and neither one does much to bring us closer to God.
Alan Terlep "Incestuous vituperousness"
Oakland University, Rochester, MI
atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu --Melissa Eggertsen
Rushing in where angels fear to tread.
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From: "Robert Knowles" <p00261@psilink.com>
Subject: Re: The nonexistance of Atheists?!
In-Reply-To: <1993Apr15.192037.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu>
Nntp-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1
Organization: Kupajava, East of Krakatoa
X-Mailer: PSILink-DOS (3.3)
Lines: 26
>DATE: 15 Apr 93 19:20:37 EDT
>FROM: kmagnacca@eagle.wesleyan.edu
>
>In article <bskendigC5JCwx.Jzn@netcom.com>, bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) writes:
>>
>> [s.c.a quotes deleted]
>>
>> It really looks like these people have no idea at all of what it means
>> to be atheist. There are more Bobby Mozumder clones in the world than
>> I thought...
>
>Well, that explains some things; I posted on soc.religion.islam
>with an attached quote by Bobby to the effect that all atheists
>are lying evil scum, and asked if it was a commonly-held idea
>among muslims. I got no response. Asking about the unknown,
>I guess...
You should have tried one of the soc.culture groups in the Middle East
or South Asia area (they are a little more open than the Islam channel).
I think someone defined atheists as polytheists cuz they say we think the
world created itself (or something like that) so each particle is a God
which created the other Gods. The soc.culture.african is also nice for
some contrasting viewpoints on the benevolence of religion. Especially
when Sudan is mentioned.
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From: wong@ws13.webo.dg.com (E. Wong)
Subject: Help with 24bit mode for ATI
Organization: Data General Corporation, Westboro, MA
Lines: 16
I finally got the vesa driver for my ATI graphics ultra plus (2M). However,
when I tried to use this to view under 24bit mode, I get lines on the picture.
With 16bit or below, the picture is fine. Can someone tell me what was wrong?
Is it the card, or is it the software?
--
Thanks
8)
_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/
_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/
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_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/
_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/
user's name: Edward Wong
Internet: wong@ws13.webo.dg.com
telephone: (508) 870-9352
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From: casgrain@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Casgrain Philippe)
Subject: Re: what do y'all think of the IIvx?
Organization: Universite de Montreal
Lines: 23
jfinete@cats.ucsc.edu (Joseph Manuel Finete) writes:
>The IIvx...LCIII performance at a Centris 610 price.
>And unless
>you're running FPU-intensive software, the 610 will blow the doors off the
>LCIII and the IIvx.
From the benchmarks I've seen (was that in MacUser or MacWeek?) the FPU-less
Centris 610 is _faster_ at floating-point operations (the kind of calculations
that get routed to an FPU) than a Mac IIfx!
And a Mac IIfx (68030 @ 40MHz + FPU) is _the_ fastest 030-based Mac.
Take note, of course, that benchmarks never tell the whole story... Get your
favorite program(s) and run them on both machines at the store. They should
let you do that before you plunk down a hefty amount...
Virtually,
Philippe
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Philippe Casgrain Etudiant-Chercheur Casgrain@ERE.UMontreal.CA
Departement des Sciences Biologiques Universite de Montreal
#define disclaimer(caught) (caught ? "I wasn't even there!" : "I didn't do it!")
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From: Steve.Hayes@f22.n7101.z5.fidonet.org
Subject: Confession & communion
Lines: 14
04 Apr 93, David Cruz-Uribe writes to All:
DC> Also, what is Orthodox practice regarding communion? I read
DC> a throw-away remark someplace that the Orthodox receive less
DC> frequently than Catholics do, but was is their current practice?
DC> Have their been any variations historically?
I think Orthodox practice varies from place to place, from parish to parish and from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. In some parishes here in South Africa the only ones who receive communion are infants (i.e. children under
7). In our parish it is expected that one will have been to Vespers and confessional prayers the evening before, and that one will have been fasting. As we have to travel 70km to the church, we don'
t receive communion every Sunday, but about every third Sunday.
Steve
--- GoldED 2.40
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From: jim.wray@yob.sccsi.com (Jim Wray)
Subject: My Gun is like my Ame
Organization: Ye Olde Bailey BBS - Houston, TX - 713-520-1569
Lines: 23
Reply-To: jim.wray@yob.sccsi.com (Jim Wray)
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu
Mark Wilson responding to C.D. Tavares:
MW>|So the laws exist, and the penalties are as you say, but nobody is ever
MW>|prosecuted under these laws. They are "traded away" for easy pleas.
MW>Having such gun laws on the books is still better than nothing.
MW>What would the DA have traded away in order to get the guilty plea if the
MW>gun law had not been in effect.
Our liberty?
Right...don't even think about enforcing the law and imposing the prescribed
penalty....let's hose the citizens instead.
---
. OLX 2.2 . Madness takes its toll - please have exact change
----
+------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Ye Olde Bailey BBS 713-520-1569 (V.32bis) 713-520-9566 (V.32bis) |
| Houston,Texas yob.sccsi.com Home of alt.cosuard |
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From: welchg@cs.unc.edu (Gregory Welch)
Subject: Re: TechWorks -- What You Say?
Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
Lines: 30
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: sirius.cs.unc.edu
Well, although this may be an uncommon occurrence (or not) I had a "bad"
experience with TechWorks. This past summer I upgraded (increased) the memory in
a powerbook and a ci. When I called to place the order for the PB RAM, I was
told by the sales person that they would give me a $50 rebate if I would return
the original RAM (which was also TechWorks RAM.) I followed the instructions for
returning the old RAM, expecting to see a credit on my VISA within a few weeks.
Well, months went by, and no credit. After many calls (almost none of which were
ever returned - arghhh) I finally found someone who told me "Why we never
received your old chips." I then explained I the procedure that I had
followed to return them, to which the person replied "You mean you sent them
US Mail?" (which I had, per the original sales person's instructions.) I was
told that they their loss of US mail shipments is not uncommon (come on) and that
I should have sent the stuff via FedEx, etc. I reasoned that I had done exactly
what I had been told to, but they would not budge, the people I spoke with were
absolutely no help. I sent letters, copies of the original receipts, attempted
to trace the package through the US mail, made *many* more phone calls to
TechWorks, all to no avail (I wouldn't give-up because I was so disgusted.)
Sales/support people, supervisors, there was nothing I could do to pursuade them
to "make it right."
I finally (in total disgust) wrote a letter to my credit card company, asking
them to investigate the problem. Three weeks later, the credit miraculously
appeared on my statement. I have not (in recent memory) been so disgusted with
the service that I received from a company. In all fairness, they had no way of
knowing that was not trying to rip them off, but I went to *such* great lengths
to prove to them that this really happened. Oh well, c'est la vie. I will never
buy another product from them again.
(There - had to get that off my chest!)
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From: L629159@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: Boom! Hubcap attack!
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Lines: 30
From: speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer)
I was attacked by a rabid hubcap once. I was going to work on a Yamaha
750 Twin (A.K.A. "the vibrating tank") when I heard a wierd noise off to my
left. I caught a glimpse of something silver headed for my left foot and
jerked it up about a nanosecond before my bike was hit HARD in the left...
(Rest deleted)
Anyone else had this sort of experience?
----===== DoD #8177 = Technician(Dr. Speed) .NOT. Student =====----
Stolen Taglines...
* God is real, unless declared integer. *
* I came, I saw, I deleted all your files. *
* Black holes are where God is dividing by zero. *
* The world will end in 5 minutes. Please log out. *
* Earth is 98% full.... please delete anyone you can. *
Actually, hubcap attacks are fairly common, most cagers being too
incompetant to reinstall them properly after changing tires, or
to check them after collisions. Luckily, few are as heavy as the
one that got you.
Al Moore DoD 734
Don't forget the immortal
* swap file read error: you lose your mind. *
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From: oddjob@oz.plymouth.edu (Andrew C. Stoffel)
Subject: Re: Utility for updating Win.ini and system.ini
Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, NH.
Lines: 19
In article <1993Apr20.151912.18590@midway.uchicago.edu> am37@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>Unless I am completely misunderstanding you, try using either Notepad or
>sysedit.exe (found in your system subdirectory) to edit you .ini files.
You can add sysedit (& regedit) to a program group... they are Windows
programs.
>The sysedit.exe program is cool because it automatically opens you win.ini,
>system.ini, autoexec.bat and config.sys files to be edited.
Is it possible to get it to load other *.ini files ????
>Drewster (am37@kimbark.uchicago.edu)
>
--
|E-mail --> un*x: oddjob@oz.plymouth.edu |vms: andys@psc.plymouth.edu |
|Disclaimer > Any "end-user" software that provides NO avenue for user |
|of the week> modification or programmability is NOT user friendly. |
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From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Subject: Re: Vandalizing the sky.
Article-I.D.: mksol.1993Apr22.204742.10671
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc
Lines: 62
In <C5tvL2.1In@hermes.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de> hoover@mathematik.uni-bielefeld.de (Uwe Schuerkamp) writes:
>In article <C5t05K.DB6@research.canon.oz.au> enzo@research.canon.oz.au
>(Enzo Liguori) writes:
>> hideous vision of the future. Observers were
>>startled this spring when a NASA launch vehicle arrived at the
>>pad with "SCHWARZENEGGER" painted in huge block letters on the
>This is ok in my opinion as long as the stuff *returns to earth*.
>>What do you think of this revolting and hideous attempt to vandalize
>>the night sky? It is not even April 1 anymore.
>If this turns out to be true, it's time to get seriously active in
>terrorism. This is unbelievable! Who do those people think they are,
>selling every bit that promises to make money?
Well, I guess I'm left wondering just who all the 'light fascists'
think *they* are. Yes, I understand the issues. I don't even
particularly care for the idea. But am I the only one that finds the
sort of overreaction above just a *little* questionable? You must
find things like the Moon *really* obnoxious in their pollution.
A few questions for those frothing at the mouth to ask themselves:
1) How long is this thing supposed to stay up? Sounds like it
would have a *huge* drag area, not a lot of mass, and be in a fairly
low orbit.
2) Just what orbital parameters are we talking about here?
What real impact are we talking about, really? How many optical
astronomers are *really* going to be impacted?
3) Which is more important; adding a few extra days of
'seeing' for (very few) optical astronomers or getting the data the
sensors are supposed to return along with the data for large
inflatables (and the potential there for an inflatable space station)?
The choice would seem to be one or the other, since the advertising is
being used to help fund this thing.
4) If your answer to 3) above was "the astronomers", then feel
free to come up with some other way to fund the (to my mind) more
important research data that would be gained by this WITHOUT SPENDING
ANY MORE OF MY MONEY TO DO IT. In other words, put up or shut up.
>I guess we really
>deserve being wiped out by uv radiation, folks. "Stupidity wins". I
>guess that's true, and if only by pure numbers.
Probably so. I'm just not sure we agree about who the 'stupid' are.
> Another depressed planetary citizen,
> hoover
Yeah, me too.
--
"Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live
in the real world." -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Fred.McCall@dseg.ti.com - I don't speak for others and they don't speak for me.
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From: howardy@freud.nia.nih.gov (Howard Wai-Chun Yeung)
Subject: need shading program example in X
Organization: (Natl. Institutes of Health, Bethesda, MD)
Lines: 7
Do anyone know about any shading program based on Xlib in the public domain?
I need an example about how to allocate correct colormaps for the program.
Appreciate the help.
Howard.
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From: jrm@elm.circa.ufl.edu (Jeff Mason)
Subject: AUCTION: Marvel, DC, Valiant, Image, Dark Horse, etc...
Organization: Univ. of Florida Psychology Dept.
Lines: 59
NNTP-Posting-Host: elm.circa.ufl.edu
I am auctioning off the following comics. These minimum bids are set
below what I would normally sell them for. Make an offer, and I will
accept the highest bid after the auction has been completed.
TITLE Minimum/Current
--------------------------------------------------------------
Alpha Flight 51 (Jim Lee's first work at Marvel) $ 5.00
Aliens 1 (1st app Aliens in comics, 1st prnt, May 1988) $20.00
Amazing Spider-Man 136 (Intro new Green Goblin) $20.00
Amazing Spider-Man 238 (1st appearance Hobgoblin) $50.00
Archer and Armstrong 1 (Frank Miller/Smith/Layton) $ 7.50
Avengers 263 (1st appearance X-factor) $ 3.50
Bloodshot 1 (Chromium cover, BWSmith Cover/Poster) $ 5.00
Daredevil 158 (Frank Miller art begins) $35.00
Dark Horse Presents 1 (1st app Concrete, 1st printing) $ 7.50
H.A.R.D. Corps 1 $ 5.00
Incredible Hulk 324 (1st app Grey Hulk since #1, 1962) $ 7.50
Incredible Hulk 330 (1st McFarlane issue) $15.00
Incredible Hulk 331 (Grey Hulk series begins) $11.20
Incredible Hulk 367 (1st Dale Keown art in Hulk) $15.00
Incredible Hulk 377 (1st all new hulk, 1st prnt, Keown) $15.00
Marvel Comics Presents 1 (Wolverine, Silver Surfer) $ 7.50
Maxx Limited Ashcan (4000 copies exist, blue cover) $30.00
New Mutants 86 (McFarlane cover, 1st app Cable - cameo) $10.00
New Mutants 100 (1st app X-Force) $ 5.00
New Mutants Annual 5 (1st Liefeld art on New Mutants) $10.00
Omega Men 3 (1st appearance Lobo) $ 7.50
Omega Men 10 (1st full Lobo story) $ 7.50
Power Man & Iron Fist 78 (3rd appearance Sabretooth) $25.00
84 (4th appearance Sabretooth) $20.00
Simpsons Comics and Stories 1 (Polybagged special ed.) $ 7.50
Spectacular Spider-Man 147 (1st app New Hobgoblin) $12.50
Star Trek the Next Generation 1 (Feb 1988, DC mini) $ 7.50
Star Trek the Next Generation 1 (Oct 1989, DC comics) $ 7.50
Web of Spider-Man 29 (Hobgoblin, Wolverine appear) $10.00
Web of Spider-Man 30 (Origin Rose, Hobgoblin appears) $ 7.50
Wolverine 10 (Before claws, 1st battle with Sabretooth) $15.00
Wolverine 41 (Sabretooth claims to be Wolverine's dad) $ 5.00
Wolverine 42 (Sabretooth proven not to be his dad) $ 3.50
Wolverine 43 (Sabretooth/Wolverine saga concludes) $ 3.00
Wolverine 1 (1982 mini-series, Miller art) $20.00
Wonder Woman 267 (Return of Animal Man) $12.50
X-Force 1 (Signed by Liefeld, Bagged, X-Force card) $20.00
X-Force 1 (Signed by Liefeld, Bagged, Shatterstar card) $10.00
X-Force 1 (Signed by Liefeld, Bagged, Deadpool card) $10.00
X-Force 1 (Signed by Liefeld, Bagged, Sunspot/Gideon) $10.00
All comics are in near mint to mint condition, are bagged in shiny
polypropylene bags, and backed with white acid free boards. Shipping is
$1.50 for one book, $3.00 for more than one book, or free if you order
a large enough amount of stuff. I am willing to haggle.
I have thousands and thousands of other comics, so please let me know what
you've been looking for, and maybe I can help. Some titles I have posted
here don't list every issue I have of that title, I tried to save space.
--
Geoffrey R. Mason | jrm@elm.circa.ufl.edu
Department of Psychology | mason@webb.psych.ufl.edu
University of Florida | prothan@maple.circa.ufl.edu
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From: rytg7@fel.tno.nl (Q. van Rijt)
Subject: Re: Sphere from 4 points?
Organization: TNO Physics and Electronics Laboratory
Lines: 26
There is another useful method based on Least Sqyares Estimation of the sphere equation parameters.
The points (x,y,z) on a spherical surface with radius R and center (a,b,c) can be written as
(x-a)^2 + (y-b)^2 + (z-c)^2 = R^2
This equation can be rewritten into the following form:
2ax + 2by + 2cz + R^2 - a^2 - b^2 -c^2 = x^2 + y^2 + z^2
Approximate the left hand part by F(x,y,z) = p1.x + p2.x + p3.z + p4.1
For all datapoints, i.c. 4, determine the 4 parameters p1..p4 which minimise the average error |F(x,y,z) - x^2 - y^2 - z^2|^2.
In 'Numerical Recipes in C' can be found algorithms to solve these parameters.
The best fitting sphere will have
- center (a,b,c) = (p1/2, p2/2, p3/2)
- radius R = sqrt(p4 + a.a + b.b + c.c).
So, at last, will this solve you sphere estination problem, at least for the most situations I think ?.
Quick van Rijt, rytg7@fel.tno.nl
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From: twa2@Ra.MsState.Edu (Todd W Anderson)
Subject: Re: Diamond Stealth 24 giving 9.4 Winmarks?
Nntp-Posting-Host: ra.msstate.edu
Organization: Mississippi State University
Lines: 9
On my 486DX33 with the Stealth 24 VLB I get 11.4 WinMarks with ver. 3.11
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From: 00mbstultz@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Subject: ALL-TIME PEAK PLAYERS
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's
Lines: 195
Last week I posted the ALL-TIME GREATEST PLAYERS (and haphazardly misspelled
several names--SORRY!) This week, it's time for the greatest PEAK players.
I evaluated the following players on 4 consectutive seasons which constituted
their "prime" or "peak" years. (3 was too few; 5 seemed to many--so I settled
for 4). Sources, as usual, include Total Baseball 1993 and my own (biased)
opinions.
Here goes, feel free to comment.
1. Ted Williams (includes season after war)--missed actual peak years
2. Babe Ruth
3. Walter Johnson
4. Mickey Mantle
5. Mike Schmidt (actual peak year shortened by strike)
6. Barrry Bonds (currently at peak)
7. Honus Wagner
8. Ty Cobb
9. Tris Speaker
10. Willie Mays
11. Lefty Grove
12. Sandy Koufax
13. Joe Morgan
14. Ed Walsh
15. Christy Mathewson
16. Lou Gehrig
17. Jimmie Foxx
18. Cal Ripken Jr.
19. Pete Alexander
20. Cy Young
21. Tim Raines
22. Rickey Henderson (again, strike year '81 included)
23. Carl Yastrzemski
24. Jackie Robinson
25. Joe DiMaggio
26. Rogers Hornsby
27. George Sisler
28. Eddie Collins
29. Hank Aaron
30. Stan Musial
31. Joe Jackson
32. Wade Boggs
33. Charlie Gehringer
34. Ernie Banks
35. Bob Gibson
36. Carl Hubbell
37. Robin Yount
38. Rod Carew
39. Chuck Klein
40. Willie McCovey
41. Frank Robinson
42. Tom Seaver
43. Roger Clemens (arguably, still in peak)
44. Mel Ott
45. Frank Baker
46. Nap Lajoie (peak came in suspect league)
47. Dizzy Trout
48. George Brett
49. Mordecai Brown
50. Ryne Sandberg
1B Peak
1) Gehrig
2) Foxx
3) Sisler
4) McCovey
5) Greenberg
6) Frank Thomas (projected--sorry)
7) Dick Allen
8) Johnny Mize
9) Eddie Murray (yes, Mr.Consistency had a peak)
10) Bill Terry
2B
1) Morgan
2) J.Robinson
3) Collins
4) Hornsby
5) Gehringer
6) Carew (treated as a 2B, even though played 1B)
7) Sandberg
8) Bobby Grich
9) Nap Lajoie
10) Bill Herman, Mazeroski (tough call)
3B)
1) Schmidt
2) Boggs
3) F.Baker
4) Brett
5) Ed Mathews
6) Ron Santo
7) Harland Clift
8) Ken Boyer
9) Buddy Bell
10) Darrell Evans
SS
1) Wagner
2) Ripken
3) Banks
4) Yount
5) John Lloyd (estimated)
6) Arky Vaughan
7) Barry Larkin (still in peak?)
8) Lou Boudreau
9) Ozzie Smith
10) Joe Sewell
LF
1) Williams
2) Ba.Bonds
3) Raines
4) Henderson (actually had 2 peaks; 80-83 & 83-86)
5) Yastrzemski
6) Musial
7) J.Jackson
8) Ralph Kiner
9) Al Simmons
10) George Foster
11) Willie Stargell
CF
1) Mantle
2) Cobb
3) Speaker
4) Mays
5) DiMaggio
6) Oscar Charleston (again, estimated)
7) Duke Snider
8) Ken Griffey Jr. (personal assumption)
9) Kirby Puckett
10) Richie Ashburn
11) Dale Murphy (strike season?)
RF
1) Ruth
2) Aaron
3) Klein
4) F.Robinson
5) Ott
6) Roberto Clemente
7) Tony Gwynn
8) Dave Parker
9) Reggie Jackson
10) Harry Heilmann
11) Jose Canseco
12) Darryl Strawberry
C
1) Josh Gibson (estimated)
2) Mickey Cochrane
3) Gary Carter
4) Johnny Bench
5) Roy Campanella
6) Yogi Berra
7) Bill Dickey
8) Gabby Hartnett
9) Elston Howard
10) Ted Simmons
11) Joe Torre
P
1) W.Johnson
2) Grove
3) Koufax
4) Walsh
5) Mathewson
6) Alexander
7) Young
8) Gibson
9) Hubbell
10) Seaver
11) Clemens
12) Satchel Paige (estimated)
13) D.Trout
14) Juan Marichal
15) Mordecai Brown
16) Joe Wood
17) Dave Steib
18) Jim Palmer
19) Bob Lemon
20) Fergie Jenkins
RP
1) Who cares?
I hope there are some surprises here: Raines above Muisial? Carter above
Bench? Ripken above Banks? Bonds above Mays?
Check the numbers of each player in comparison to the numbers of the rest
of the players that year(s), and you'll see that I'm fairly close with
this ranking system (which is primarily based on Total Player Rating) for
four consecutive years.
Enjoy,
Mike
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From: (iisi owner)
Subject: iisi clock upgrades
Organization: cumc
Lines: 4
Any new reports about iisi clock upgrade to 25 mhz, 33 mhz?
Any failures?
-a iisi owner with a slow mac and an itchcy soldering iron
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From: pyeatt@Texaco.com (Larry D. Pyeatt)
Subject: Re: Mix GL with X (Xlib,Xt,mwm)
Nntp-Posting-Host: 211.2.1.65
Organization: Texaco
Lines: 24
In article <27808.9304211039@scorpion.dps.co.uk>, gerard@dps.co.UK (Gerard O'Driscoll) writes:
|>
|> pyeatt@Texaco.com writes:
|>
|> >> There is a widget already defined for GL. It is the GlxMDraw (motif) or
|> >> GlxDraw (athena) widget. It is similar to a XmDrawingArea, except that it
|> >> allows you to use GL calls to render into the window. Look at glxlink,
|> >> glxunlink, glxgetconfig, and glxwinset in the man pages.
|>
|> Where do I get hold of these widgets?
|>
|> Gerard O'Driscoll (gerard.odriscoll@dps.co.uk)
|> Du Pont Pixel Systems Ltd.
They come with every Iris now. Nth also ships it with their latest
version of Nth Portable GL. I just got the update a couple of weeks
ago. I would assume that Silicon Graphics would license the source
to you so that you can include it in your company's GL offering.
--
Larry D. Pyeatt The views expressed here are not
Internet : pyeatt@texaco.com those of my employer or of anyone
Voice : (713) 975-4056 that I know of with the possible
exception of myself.
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From: buck@granite.ma30.bull.com (Ken Buck)
Subject: Re: Do trains have radar?
Organization: Bull Information Systems Inc.
Lines: 16
hhtra@usho72.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock) writes:
> I came upon a
> train parked on a trestle with its locomotive sitting directly over
> the northbound lanes. [...] Just as I passed from underneath the trestle,
> my radar detector went into full alert - all lights lit and all chirps,
> beeps, and buzzes going strong.
> Could this have been caused by the train's radio or what?
recently-manufactured locomotives have wheel-slip detection systems
that use frequencies shared with police radar (i forget which band).
these will set off your radar detector if you get close enough, though
i believe the range is pretty short.
BTW, railroad police sometimes use radar to check for speeding trains
(just like regular police check for speeding cars), although the
intent here is for safety, not revenue collection (unlike with cars).
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From: "Douglas Johnson" <p00450@psilink.com>
Subject: Unix crypt for DOS
Nntp-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1
Organization: Class Technology Corporation
X-Mailer: PSILink-DOS (3.4)
Lines: 4
I've recently moved from Unix to a DOS box and have a number of files
that I used crypt to "protect". Does anyone know of a DOS version of
crypt? I've found one, but it insists on six letter keys and I used
some shorter ones. Thanks for your help. -- Doug
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From: neff123@garnet.berkeley.edu (Stephen Kearney)
Subject: Re: Is Microsoft Windows really and Operating system?
Article-I.D.: agate.1pr6rm$t7f
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Lines: 19
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu
>Well, you may think that, but you are wrong.
Ah... The joys of networking. I just hope that you forgot the :->
>If you don't like the file manager, DON'T use it!
I don't. I use NDW.
>I like the more modular nature of Windoze.
If you like things to be modular, I think you would love System 7.
Instead of adding a line to your autoexec.bat, you just drop the
icon into the extensions folder.
>Just because one has had ignorance sold to one by the evil
>fruit empire, one is not forbidden to learn about one's file
>system below the level of the GUI.
I'm still working on that one :-/
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From: acollins@uclink.berkeley.edu (Andy Collins)
Subject: Voltage regulation and current limiting
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Lines: 37
NNTP-Posting-Host: uclink.berkeley.edu
Summary: Need help!!!
One not-so-quick question to throw out there for you guys...
For our class project, we need to design and build a power supply
to the following specs:
Voltatge: adjustable from 1-12V
Current: *limited* at 1A
Voltage must stay within 2% of designated value for I from 0-1A
AC ripple less than 5 mV (rms)
Of course, we can't just use an adjustable voltage, current-limiting
regulator chip ;^)
Our problem is with the current limiting (i.e. we've found stuff to
do the rest of the parts of the circuit). What the supply must do,
if presented with a load which would draw more than 1A, given the
supply voltage, is reduce the voltage so that the current will equal
one amp. Thus, if we were to short the thing with the ammeter, we
should read one amp. If we measure the current through a 1 ohm
resistor at 12V, we should read one amp (and the output voltage, by
necessity, must be 1V.
The only basic idea we have seen for the current limiter involves
a circuit which will pull current off of the base of the output
power transistor, and therefore reduce the output.
So, does anybody have any ideas we could work from?
Thanks in advance.
Andy Collins, KC6YEY
acollins@uclink.berkeley.edu
ps: If anybody wants to flame this as a stupid project, I agree fully,
but I still have to do it, its graded ;^)
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From: bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner)
Subject: Re: Dear Mr. Theist
Nntp-Posting-Host: okcforum.osrhe.edu
Organization: Okcforum Unix Users Group
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Lines: 20
Pixie (dl2021@andy.bgsu.edu) wrote:
: For all the problems technology has caused, your types have made
: things even worse. Must we be reminded of the Inquisition, Operation
: Rescue, the Ku Klux Klan, Posse Comitatus, the 700 Club, David Duke, Salem
: Witch Trials, the Crusades, gay bashings, etc.
: PLUS virtually each and every single war, regardless of the level of
: technology, has had theistic organizations cheering on the carnage
: (chaplains, etc.), and claiming that god was in favor of the whole ordeal.
: Don't forget to pray for our troops!
:
This is really tedious. Every bad thing that's ever happened is
because the malefactors were under the influence of religion - does
anyone -really- believe that. I've seen it so often it must be a
pretty general opinion in a.a, but I want to believe that atheists are
really not THAT dishonest. Please, stick to the facts and, having
accomplished that, interpret them correctly.
Bill
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From: dewinter@prl.philips.nl (Rob de Winter)
Subject: WANTED: Address SYMANTEC
Originator: dewinter@prl.philips.nl
Organization: Philips Research Laboratories, Eindhoven, The Netherlands
Lines: 17
I am looking for the exact address of the Symantec Coporatoin, which
distributes Norton Desktop and other Windows software.
The information I am looking for is:
Mail address
Phone number
Fax number
E-mail address
Thanks in advance.
--
*** Nothing beats skiing, if you want to have real fun during holidays. ***
*** Rob de Winter Philips Research, IST/IT, Building WL-1 ***
*** P.O. Box 80000, 5600 JA Eindhoven. The Netherlands ***
*** Tel: +31 40 743621 E-mail: dewinter@prl.philips.nl ***
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From: jigang@dale.ssc.gov (Jigang Yang)
Subject: Re: internationalized menus & icon labels
Keywords: icon, motif, openlook
Nntp-Posting-Host: dale.ssc.gov
Organization: SSC Lab
Lines: 15
I have a problem with icon pixmap. My application has to run
under openwindow and motif. I wrote my program in Motif with pixmap and
icons. It runs fine under motif/motif window manager and X11R5/mwm. But
the icon pixmap does not show up under openwin/olwm and X11R5/olwm.
Has anybody got into this kind of problem? Need a clue. An
example which works in both X11R5/motif and openwindow will be great.
--
Jigang Yang, jigang@dale.ssc.gov, jyang@sscvx1.bitnet
2550 Beckleymeade Ave. MS 4011 Tel: 214-708-3498
Dallas, TX 75237 Fax: 214-708-4898
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From: Peter.vanderveen@visser.el.wau.nl (Peter van der Veen)
Subject: Re: Fonts in POV??
Lines: 30
Organization: Wageningen Agricultural University
X-Newsreader: FTPNuz (DOS) v1.0
In Article <1qg9fc$et9@wampyr.cc.uow.edu.au> "g9134255@wampyr.cc.uow.edu.au (Coronado Emmanuel Abad)" says:
>
>
> I have seen several ray-traced scenes (from MTV or was it
> RayShade??) with stroked fonts appearing as objects in the image.
> The fonts/chars had color, depth and even textures associated with
> them. Now I was wondering, is it possible to do the same in POV??
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Noel
>
Yes, there are serveral programs which can convert font files (eq the Borland
fonts) to objects consisting of spheres, cones etc.
I've used a program (forgot its name/place, but i can look for it) which
converted these Borland fonts to three different raytracers. Vivid, POV and
Polyray (which i like more (more flexibel/faster/use of expressions etc).
The program has a lot nice features.
So if interested give me a mail.
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From: mcg2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Marc Gabriel)
Subject: Re: How to Diagnose Lyme... really
Organization: Lehigh University
Lines: 44
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]
Gordon Banks (geb@cs.pitt.edu) wrote:
: In article <1993Apr12.201056.20753@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> mcg2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (
Marc Gabriel) writes:
: >Now, I'm not saying that culturing is the best way to diagnose; it's very
: >hard to culture Bb in most cases. The point is that Dr. N has developed a
: >"feel" for what is and what isn't LD. This comes from years of experience.
: >No serology can match that. Unfortunately, some would call Dr. N a "quack"
: >and accuse him of trying to make a quick buck.
: >
: Why do you think he would be called a quack? The quacks don't do cultures.
: They poo-poo doing more lab tests: "this is Lyme, believe me, I've
: seen it many times. The lab tests aren't accurate. We'll treat it
: now." Also, is Dr. N's practice almost exclusively devoted to treating
: Lyme patients? I don't know *any* orthopedic surgeons who fit this
: pattern. They are usually GPs.
No, he does not exclusively treat LD patients. However, in some parts of the
country, you don't need to be known as an LD "specialist" to see a large
number of LD patients walk through your office. Given the huge problem of
underdiagnosis, orthopedists encounter late manifestations of the disease just
about every day in their regular practices. Dr. N. told me that last year,
he sent between 2 and 5 patients a week to the LD specialists... and he is not
the only orthopedists in the town.
Let's say that only 2 people per week actually have LD. That means at the
*very minimum* 104 people in our town (and immediate area) develop late stage
manifestations of LD *every year*. Add in the folks who were diagnosed by
neurologists, rheumatologists, GPs, etc, and you can see what kind of problem
we have. No wonder just about everybody in town personally knows an LD
patient.
He refers most patients to LD specialists, but in extreme cases he puts the
patient on medication immediately to minimize the damage (in most cases, to
the knees).
Gordon is correct when he states that most LD specialists are GPs.
-Marc.
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Marc C. Gabriel - U.C. Box 545 -
(215) 882-0138 Lehigh University
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From: cutter@gloster.via.mind.org (cutter)
Subject: Re: A Message for you Mr. President: How do you know what happened?
Distribution: world
Organization: Gordian Knot, Gloster,GA
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bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) writes:
> b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (Stephen Tice) writes:
> >
> >One way or another -- so much for patience. Too bad you couldn't just
> >wait. Was the prospect of God's Message just too much to take?
>
> So you believe that David Koresh really is Jesus Christ?
>
You know, everybody scoffed at that guy they hung up on a cross too.
He claimed also to be the son of God; and it took almost two thousand
years to forget what he preached.
Love thy neighbor as thyself.
Anybody else wonder if those two guys setting the fires were 'agent
provacateurs.'
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cutter@gloster.via.mind.org (chris) All jobs are easy
to the person who
doesn't have to do them.
Holt's law
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From: kmelcher@rafael.Arco.COM (Kenneth Melcher)
Subject: Re: The 1964 Phillies: deja vu?
Reply-To: kmelcher@rafael.Arco.COM
Organization: ARCO Exploration and Production Technology
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My dad has always blamed the Phillies collapse in '64 on me... On Sept 21, 1964, the Phillies had something like a 9 game lead with 12 to play. I was born on Sept 21, 1964. The Phils proceeded to lose something like 10 straight while the Cards won 10 straight (does anyone know hte exact numbers?), and a pennant was blown. To this day my dad likes to remind me that it all began when I was born!
KRM
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Subject: PD 3D Viewer wanted
Summary: 3D
Expires: May 20, 1993
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA
From: qiaok@bones.et.byu.edu (Kun Qiao)
I am looking for a public domain 3d viewer. It does not have to be very
fancy. The features I want is simple wireframe display, flat shading,
simple transformation. It would be nice to have hidden line.
Any information is appreciated.
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From: Alexander Samuel McDiarmid <am2o+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: HELP INSTALL RAM ON CENTRIS 610
Organization: Sophomore, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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NNTP-Posting-Host: andrew.cmu.edu
In-Reply-To: <C5115s.5Fy@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.mac.misc: 5-Apr-93 Re: HELP INSTALL RAM
ON CEN.. by Jason Harvey Titus@farad
> From: jht9e@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Jason Harvey Titus)
> Subject: Re: HELP INSTALL RAM ON CENTRIS 610
> Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1993 20:05:51 GMT
>
> I had asked everyone about problems installing a 4 meg
> simm and an 8 meg simm in my Centris 610, but the folks at the
> local Apple store called the folks in Cupertino and found that
> you can't have simms of different speeds in one machine, even
> if they are both fast enough - ie - My 80 ns 8 meg and 60ns 4
> meg simms were incompatibable... Just thought people might
> want to know.....
> Jason.
oh boy am i confused, I thought the entire point of the 72 pin simms was
that you could use diffrent size simms so you could avoid having to use
sets. all horror stories not withstanding.
-A.
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From: smd@iao.ford.com (Steve Dahmen)
Subject: Changing colors on a label - HELP
Organization: Ford Motor Company -- standard disclaimers apply
Lines: 21
Distribution: world
Reply-To: smd@iao.ford.com (Steve Dahmen)
NNTP-Posting-Host: ope001.iao.ford.com
I have a toggleButton widget (yes widget) and I have a routine
which changes the color of the foreground and background of the
label. Well, the background changes alright, but the label
text does not redraw itself.
I am guessing that I have to force it to redraw with an
XExposeEvent sent to it via XSendEvent. Is this the best
way to get the text up again? I can't seeem to get
XSEndEvent to work right.... if this is a good approach,
might anyone have an example lying around to show me how to
do this? I've RTFM all evening and did not find a decent
example.
PS I keep getting Segmentation Faults in XSEndEvent, tho all
the values are as expected.
Thanks in Advance
Stephen M. Dahmen
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From: rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari)
Subject: Turbomodem+ (Complete Pc) question
Nntp-Posting-Host: rac2.wam.umd.edu
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
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I'm trying to transfer some software between two machines
and I'm having real trouble. My own Intel 14.4k (
v32/v32bis/v42/v42bis) works fine--I just talk to it
at 56k and everything comes out clear. This other modem,
at the other machine, is a "Turbomodem+" from "The
Complete PC" (the machines are in seperate houses,
so a direct serial link is impossible, and copying this
much data to disk is a pain--easier to turn the machines
on for a few hours and go see a movie--no, this is not
pirated software).
I am having no end of trouble trying to set it up. It will
dial and connect just fine--at 9600 baud. But if I try to
set the comm at 19k2, 38.4k or 56kbps, the stupid thing
connects, but just gives garbage (it connects 14.4k).
His machine (a dx48633) has a 16550AFN UART, so that's
not the problem.
It seems to me that the stupid thing wants to talk to
a comm program _at_ 14.400bps, even though it will take
dialing instructions at 56k (and respond OK, etc. to
other commands). I don't have a comm program that can
do precisely 14.4k.
I looked at the manual but it was unclear. All I know is,
I didn't have this trouble with the Intel--it came
ready to connect this way. Do I need to initialize it
any way in particular?
Also, it's _using_ V.42bis and V.42 (and MNP5) when connecting
here (i.e., at 9600, since our tests at 14k4 are zip so far)
but it doesn't _say_ so there. any ideas?
(BTW: I tried the initialization string that I use for
my modem, but it just gives ERROR on that one)
--
MOSCOW: A grandfather who taught literature in an orphanage has gone on trial
in Rostov-on-the-Don after confessing to more than 50 gruesome sexual murders
whose victims included children as young as eight.
-- Events in modern history, from the Sunday Mail, 19-Apr-92
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Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian M
From: NUNNALLY@acs.harding.edu (John Nunnally)
<kmr4.1587.734911207@po.CWRU.edu> <1qkoel$5fr@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> <1qksc2$2mr@fido.asd.sgi.com>
Distribution: world
Organization: Harding University, Searcy, AR
Nntp-Posting-Host: acs.harding.edu
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24In-Reply-To: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com's message of 15 Apr 93 23:50:26 GMTLines: 67
Lines: 67
In <1qksc2$2mr@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com writes:
> In article <1qkoel$5fr@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de>, frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes:
> |>
> |> Good question, my point was that a world with truth is better than a world
> |> with falsehood. A world in which it were possible to say "yes, I am
> |> holding a Jew" (the truth) and you, me, the Jew, and the SS guy all sit
> |> down to crack open a bottle of whiskey is better than the grim alternatives
> |> you present. Obviously, this is not possible, and the best alternative seems
> |> to be to lie. That's because other values are involved, such as life.
> |> Now that IS just my opinion - don't confuse the claim 'objective morality
> |> exists' with the claim 'I have a lock on morals'.
>
> I think that at this point it would actually be quite easy to
> confuse objective morality with relative morality.
>
> jon.
Actually, jon, that is quite true. Christian people have caused
"objective morality" to look very "relative." After all, that was the
point of the original question in this thread, i.e. can we toss out
Christianity because it is so obviously inconsistent with its own
principles? If you will bear with me, I will attempt to explain this
apparent inconsistency from at least one Christian's viewpoint:
If God exists and is the creator of mankind as the Bible claims, then
He has a pretty well-defined concept of what makes people tick
physically, emotionally, etc. GOD has an "objective" morality for us.
That is to say, He has no trouble understanding what is good for (or
detrimental to) the creature He created.
Galatians 2:10-- For we [mankind] are His workmanship, created in
Christ Jesus for good works [a morality], which God prepared
beforehand [a well-defined design], that we might walk in them.
However, contrary to what many people assume (including the Pharasees
of the Bible,) God's morality cannot be completely codified in a list
of rules and regulations. To some extent, every activity of a
person's life creates a new situation to which morality must be
applied. There never could be enough volumes to codify God's
"objective" morality for us.
Throughout history, mankind has tried to reduce morality to a list of
rules (objectivity, if you please.) In the Old Testament, we have
both principles and specific rules. By the time of Jesus, most of the
principles were obscured by the emphasis men had placed on the rules.
Volumes of additional rules had been made to try to codify the
application of the principles. We [mankind] weren't comfortable with
the "subjectivity" of principles.
For reference see Matthew 5 where Jesus explains the difference
between the Law and the principles of the Law. For example, in
verses 21-22: "You have heard that the ancients were told,
'You shall not commit murder'...and 'Whoever commits murder shall
be liable to the court.' But I say to you that everyone who is
angry with his brother shall be liable to the court..."
The "objective morality" of God gets blurred by our inept
interpretation of it. We [Christians] have made our biggest errors
when we have allowed any one person or group of people decide EXACTLY
what God intended for us. If we [Christians] would stay committed to
seeking God's will instead of trying to prove we already had it all
figured out, we might do a better job of allowing others to find God's
"objective morality" for themselves. If Jesus is who he said he
was/is (and that's the fundamental question,) then HE IS "objective
morality."
John Nunnally
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From: gotribe@cbnewse.cb.att.com (richard.g.barry)
Subject: Re: Reds Without Sleeves (was Re: New Uniforms)
Article-I.D.: cbnewse.1993Apr6.220115.16282
Organization: AT&T
Lines: 21
In article <1993Apr6.204514.2180@adobe.com>, snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) writes:
> In article <12805@news.duke.edu> fierkelab@bchm.biochem.duke.edu (Eric Roush) writes:
> >
> >
> >Am I the only person who thinks the Reds sleeveless uniforms are
> >ugly? Yet another reason why they won't win the NL West! ;)
>
> If uniforms really were a deciding factor in pennant races, the '79 Pirates
> would have never won anything; those have to be the ugliest uniforms I've
> ever seen, particular the all-yellow set.
>
> Sherri Nichols
> snichols@adobe.com
>
My vote goes for the ('75?) Indians with their all-red uniforms.
Boog Powell once said he felt like a big red blood clot.
Rich Barry
barry@ihlpe.att.com
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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center
From: Jason Kratz <U28037@uicvm.uic.edu>
Subject: Re: Statement to everyone on t.p.g
<1993Apr19.201300.27080@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>
Lines: 43
In article <1993Apr19.201300.27080@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>,
andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) says:
>
>Clue - Kratz' position isn't a defense against inaccuracy.
>
>I oppose gun control because it doesn't work. If it did, I'd support
>it. In fact, I supported gun control before I did my homework.
>
>There's no demand for pro-gun people who don't know what they're
>talking about. In fact, they'd be much better off if they didn't say
>anything.
>
And why is this Freeman? Even if a pro-gun person doesn't know what they are
talking about there is always the possibility that they will learn a thing or
two. I am and will continue to post even if people get angry with what I have
to say. I have several good sources of material now that I know where to look
so calm down.
>There's lots of information flowing on tpg for those interested in
>learning. One can participate in those discussions without ranting
>inaccurately. Failure to do so has consequences.
>
Ah, Freeman seems to forget from my statement that I am learning. I have also
asked several of the not-so-hostile folks on this group for sources of
information to read. Do you think, Freeman, that maybe this means I am
interested in learning? I think it does because as you said people who don't
know anything won't be good for the pro-gun cause.
>Another good habit to get into is to go read-only for a while, to take
>the time to figure out how things work.
>
Another good habit to get into is to realize that not everyone is you Freeman
and accept mistakes. Sure, maybe it could have been some type of
misinformation being slung by some anti-gun nut but it wasn't. I made my
statement to inform everyone of this and everyone who replied said don't worry
about it but also to learn as much as you can. They accepted my mistake and
gave me sources of information and told me to read as much as possible. I have
read several posts of yours and have found them informative. Why don't you
give me the same chance?
>-andy
Jason
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From: gtd597a@prism.gatech.EDU (Hrivnak)
Subject: Re: VHS movie for sale
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology
Lines: 14
In article <1qvk1u$jnu@bigboote.WPI.EDU> martimer@jaguar.WPI.EDU (the random one...) writes:
>>Dance with Wovies ($12.00)
> ^^^^^^ what the hell ios a 'wovie' ?? (wovy (sp))??
^^^
what the hell is 'ios'?
Fix your own typos before you blame others....
--
GO SKINS! ||"Now for the next question... Does emotional music have quite
GO BRAVES! || an effect on you?" - Mike Patton, Faith No More
GO HORNETS! ||
GO CAPITALS! ||Mike Friedman (Hrivnak fan!) Internet: gtd597a@prism.gatech.edu
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From: karn@unix.ka9q.ampr.org (Phil Karn)
Subject: Re: Fifth Amendment and Passwords
Nntp-Posting-Host: unix.ka9q.ampr.org
Reply-To: karn@servo.qualcomm.com
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc
Lines: 19
In article <1993Apr18.233112.24107@colnet.cmhnet.org>, res@colnet.cmhnet.org (Rob Stampfli) writes:
|> >Sadly, it does not. Suspects can be compelled to give handwriting and
|> >voice exemplars, and to take blood and DNA tests.
|>
|> I am sure that Mike is correct on this point. I am also pretty sure that
|> administering "truth serum" would be ruled a violation of your right
|> not to incriminate yourself. But, what is the salient difference?
You can find the salient difference in any number of 5th amendment
related Supreme Court opinions. The Court limits 5th amendment
protections to what they call "testimonial" evidence, as opposed to
physical evidence.
The whole question would hinge on whether a crypto key would be
considered "testimonial" evidence. I suppose arguments could be made
either way, though obviously I would hope it would be considered
testimonial.
Phil
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From: richk@grebyn.com (Richard Krehbiel)
Subject: Re: VL-bus HDD/FDD controller or IDE HDD/FDD controller?
In-Reply-To: taybh@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com's message of 20 Apr 93 13:30:17 GMT
Lines: 16
Organization: Grebyn Timesharing, Inc.
In article <62890018@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com> taybh@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com (Beng Hang TAY) writes:
> Hi,
> I am buying a Quantum LPS240AT 245 MB hardisk and is deciding a
> HDD/FDD controller. Is 32-bit VL-bus HDD/FDD controller faster
> than 16 bit IDE HDD/FDD controller card?
No, VL-bus IDE is no faster than ISA IDE. The IDE interface is
fundamentally nothing more than an extension of the ISA bus, and if
you hook it to VL-bus it'll work as fast as the slower of the two,
meaning ISA speed.
> I hear that
> the VL bus controller is SLOWER than a IDE controller?
On the other hand, I wouldn't expect it to be *slower*...
--
Richard Krehbiel richk@grebyn.com
OS/2 2.0 will do for me until AmigaDOS for the 386 comes along...
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From: hakamata@dpcdc.sony.co.jp (Hakamata Atsushi)
Subject: Need Info on font cartridge for HP LaserJet II
Reply-To: hakamata@dpcdc.sony.co.jp
Organization: Display Products Group, Sony Corporation, Tokyo, Japan
Lines: 11
Nntp-Posting-Host: 43.2.19.6
I am looking for good add-on font cartridge for HP LaserJet II.
I found in PC Magazine article IQ Enginnering and Pacific Data Products
are well-known maker of cartridge for HP LaserJet series. But I couldn't find
the model name of these products.
Any suggestions please.
Thanks in advance,
Hakamata Atsushi
Sony Corporation Osaki Technology Center
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From: nsl@doe.carleton.ca (Nelson Lup Shun Liu)
Subject: Conner CP3204F info please
Keywords: conner
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Lines: 11
I am looking for information about this drive. Switch settings, geometry..etc.
Conner CP3204F
Please reply via e-mail. Many thanks in advance!
--
Nelson
nsl@doe.carleton.ca
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From: kubovich@iastate.edu (Mark W Kubovich)
Subject: Common-mode noise and small signals
Keywords: noise common mode
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
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I have never worked with really small signals before and have a few
questions about low level noise. I have noticed that the waveform
synthesizer that I am using (Analogic 2020) has some relatively large
common mode noise on it. I am using this synthesizer to 'null' out another
transient waveform and am amplifying the difference (~200uV) several hundred
times. The 2020 has about 1-3 mVp-p of common mode noise and this tends to
make my measurements hard to repeat. (The noise is not quite in sync with
line frequency, and on a spectrum analyzer, the main component is about 64Hz).
How can I get rid of the noise? When I look at the spectrum using an
HP 3582A (audio range analyzer), the noise goes away the minute I switch to
'isolation' on the input. I am guessing the anlayzer has a diff amp on the
input since it will read accurately down to DC.
Also, if I use a differential amplifier (IA) to solve the problem,
how important is it to use one of these 'shield drivers' (an amp connected
to the shield in sort of a feedback loop to remove trouble caused
by different cable capacitances)? If anyone can suggest a good IC IA for
use with transient signals with content from 1KHz to about 300KHz, I would
appreciate it.
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Subject: curious about you
From: Maria Alice Ruth <MAO111@psuvm.psu.edu>
Organization: Penn State University
Lines: 20
Please satisfy my curiosity. I'm interested in finding out who is using the
e-mail system. Please do not flood me with mail after April 21st. Thanks!
Maria Alice Ruth mao111@psuvm.bitnet or @psuvm.psu.edu
1. Are you male or female?
2. How long have you been using the e-mail system?
3. How do you have access (at work, at school, etc)?
4. Who taught you how to use the system? Is that person male or female?
5. Have you helped anyone to learn the system? Was that person(s) male or
female?
6. Which net did you find my questions on?
7. Which other nets are you interested in?
8. How often do you read/post to the system?
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From: dwilson@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (David Wilson)
Subject: VIDEO CAMERA, AMIGA 3000 For Sale as of 4/16
Lines: 46
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA
Lines: 46
If you are interested in (any of) the following, please contact me:
EMail mbeck@vtssi.vt.edu
Phone (703)552-4381
USMail Michael Beck
1200 Progress Street #5500E
Blacksburg, Virginia 24060
~~~~~~~~~~FOR SALE as of 12AM 4/16/93~~~~~~~~~~
1 PANASONIC AF X8 CCD OmniMovie Camcorder
VHS HQ
High Speed Shutter
Flying Erase Head
ca. 3 years old, but only used VERY lightly
Date/Time stamp
Counter/Memory
Rec Review
Fade
Back Light
Auto/Manual Focus
Built in microphone/Jack for external microphone
Comes with:
Sturdy aluminum/hardplastic carrying case
(20" long X 13" wide X 6" high)
Shoulder strap
Power adaptor/battery charger
Battery pack
Remote recording controller
UHF/VHF ---> cable adaptor
Audio/Video cables and adaptor
Aproximate dimensions (measured around outmost features)
15" long X 4" wide X 8" high (w/ handle)
ASKING PRICE: $BEST OFFER ($700 new price)
1 AMIGA 3000UX 25mhz, unix compatible machine w/100 meg Hard
Drive, 4 meg RAM, no monitor, keyboard (ESC and ~ keys
broken)
ASKING PRICE: $1500 OBO.
mult. PROTEON P1390 token ring cards
SOLD!! AT&T Portable Cellular Phone, Model 3730
ASKING PRICE: $SOLD FOR $350 (Listed at $600 new)
SOLD!! COMPAQ LTE/286 laptop - contact for details
BEST OFFER SO FAR $SOLD FOR $475
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From: kaminski@netcom.com (Peter Kaminski)
Subject: Re: Krillean Photography
Lines: 101
Organization: The Information Deli - via Netcom / San Jose, California
[Newsgroups: m.h.a added, followups set to most appropriate groups.]
In <1993Apr19.205615.1013@unlv.edu> todamhyp@charles.unlv.edu (Brian M.
Huey) writes:
>I am looking for any information/supplies that will allow
>do-it-yourselfers to take Krillean Pictures.
(It's "Kirlian". "Krillean" pictures are portraits of tiny shrimp. :)
[...]
>One might extrapolate here and say that this proves that every object
>within the universe (as we know it) has its own energy signature.
I think it's safe to say that anything that's not at 0 degrees Kelvin
will have its own "energy signature" -- the interesting questions are
what kind of energy, and what it signifies.
I'd check places like Edmund Scientific (are they still in business?) --
or I wonder if you can find ex-Soviet Union equipment for sale somewhere
in the relcom.* hierarchy.
Some expansion on Kirlian photography:
From the credulous side: [Stanway, Andrew, _Alternative Medicine: A Guide
To Natural Therapies_, ISBN 0-14-008561-0, New York: Viking Penguin, 1986,
p211, p188. A not-overly critical but still useful overview of 32
alternative health therapies.]
...the Russian engineer Semyon Kirlian and his wife Valentina during the
1950s. Using alternating currents of high frequency to 'illuminate'
their subjects, they photographed them. They found that if an object
was a good conductor (such as a metal) the picture showed only its
surface, while the pictures of poor conductors showed the inner
structure of the object even if it were optically opaque. They found
too that these high frequency pictures could distinguish between dead
and living objects. Dead ones had a constant outline whilst living ones
were subject to changes. The object's life activity was also visible in
highly variable colour patterns.
High frequency photography has now been practised for twenty years in
the Soviet Union but only a few people in the West have taken it up
seriously. Professor Douglas Dean in New York and Professor Philips at
Washington University in St Louis have produced Kirlian photographs and
others have been produced in Brazil, Austria and Germany.
Using Kirlian photography it is possible to show an aura around people's
fingers, notably around those of healers who are concentrating on
healing someone. Normally, blue and white rays emanate from the fingers
but, when a subject becomes angry or excited, the aura turns red and
spotty. The Soviets are now using Kirlian photography to diagnose
diseases which cannot be diagnosed by any other method. They argue that
in most illnesses there is a preclinical stage during which the person
isn't actually ill but is about to be. They claim to be able to
foretell a disease by photographing its preclinical phase.
But the most exciting phenomenon illustrated by Kirlian photography is
the phantom effect. During high frequency photography of a leaf from
which a part had been cut, the photograph gave a complete picture of the
leaf with the removed part showing up faintly. This is extremely
important because it backs up the experiences of psychics who can 'see'
the legs of amputees as if they were still there. The important thing
about the Kirlian phantoms though is that the electromagnetic pattern
can't possibly represent a secondary phenomenon -- or the field would
vanish when the piece of leaf or leg vanished. The energy grid
contained in a living object must therefore be far more significant than
the actual object itself.
[...]
Kirlian photography has shown how water mentally 'charged' by a healer
has a much richer energy field around it than ordinary water...
From the incredulous side: [MacRobert, Alan, "Reality shopping; a
consumer's guide to new age hokum.", _Whole Earth Review_, Autumn 1986,
vNON4 p4(11). An excellent article providing common-sense guidelines for
evaluating paranormal claims, and some of the author's favorite examples
of hokum.]
The crank usually works in isolation from everyone else in his field of
study, making grand discoveries in his basement. Many paranormal
movements can be traced back to such people -- Kirlian photography, for
instance. If you pump high-voltage electricity into anything it will
emit glowing sparks, common knowledge to electrical workers and
hobbyists for a century. It took a lone basement crank to declare that
the sparks represent some sort of spiritual aura. In fact, Kirlian
photography was subjected to rigorous testing by physicists John O.
Pehek, Harry J. Kyler, and David L. Faust, who reported their findings
in the October 15, 1976, issue of Science. Their conclusion: The
variations observed in Kirlian photographs are due solely to moisture on
the surface of the body and not to mysterious "auras" or even
necessarily to changes in mood or mental state. Nevertheless,
television shows, magazines, and books (many by famous
parapsychologists) continue to promote Kirlian photography as proof of
the unknown.
--
Peter Kaminski
kaminski@netcom.com
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From: bryan@philips.oz.au (Bryan Ryan)
Organization: Philips Public Telecommunications Systems, Melbourne, Australia
Subject: Re: RAMs &ROMs with ALE latches (for 8051's)
Lines: 28
spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope) writes:
>In article <1qg98sINNokf@sheoak.ucnv.edu.au> jeff@redgum.ucnv.edu.au (j. pethybridge) writes:
>> Hello again,
>> I asked this a year ago, but i am still looking.
>> I am getting sick of having to use a HC373
>Jeff, just use the damned 373. Sure, there are oddball
>latched memory chips, but do you really want to use them?
>Sorry if I'm pedantic but: design your circuit using
>reasonably available parts, and move on to more important
>problems.
We're looking at a series of chips by WSI, the PSD3xx series. They have
_mega_ address decoding logic on them, various ROM sizes (upto 1Mbit),
various RAM sizes (upto 16 K), and 19 I/O ports which can be chip select
lines, I/O or the buffered address lines.
Cute chip, 44 pin PLCC package.
Second sourcing may be a problem though :-(
Bryan Ryan, VK3TKX
Melbourne, Australia
bryan@philips.oz.au
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From: dealy@narya.gsfc.nasa.gov (Brian Dealy - CSC)
Subject: Re: Monthly Question about XCopyArea() and Expose Events
Organization: NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center
Lines: 43
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: narya.gsfc.nasa.gov
Originator: dealy@narya.gsfc.nasa.gov
|> (2nd posting of the question that just doesn't seem to get answered)
|>
|> Suppose you have an idle app with a realized and mapped Window that contains
|> Xlib graphics. A button widget, when pressed, will cause a new item
|> to be drawn in the Window. This action clearly should not call XCopyArea()
|> (or equiv) directly; instead, it should register the existence of the new
|> item in a memory structure and let the same expose event handler that handles
|> "regular" expose events (e.g. window manager-driven exposures) take care
|> of rendering the new image. Using an expose event handler is a "proper" way
|> to do this because at the time the handler is called, the Xlib Window is
|> guaranteed to be mapped.
|>
|> The problem, of course, is that no expose event is generated if the window
|> is already visible and mapped. What we need to do is somehow "tickle" the
|> Window so that the expose handler is hit with arguments that will enable
|> it to render *just* the part of the window that contains the new item.
|>
|> What is the best way to tickle a window to produce this behavior?
If I understand your problem correctly, you want to have a way to send
exposures to your manager widget when your app-specific code draws xlib
graphics on the window.
It sounds like you might want to send an exposure using
XSendEvent and specifying a region. If you know the region you need to
send the exposure, generally you have the bounding rectangle of the objects,
you can use XCreateRegion to create a region, XUnionRectWithRegion to add the
new object polygons to the region, and then either use the region
to clip your GC for the redraw or use XRectInRegion to test which of your
other objects need to be redrawn. Keeping in mind that the stacking order
of overlapping objects affects how they look.
Hope it helps
--
Brian Dealy |301-572-8267| It not knowing where it's at
dealy@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov | | that's important,it's knowing
!uunet!dftsrv!kong!dealy | | where it's not at... B.Dylan
--
Brian Dealy |301-572-8267| It not knowing where it's at
dealy@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov | | that's important,it's knowing
!uunet!dftsrv!kong!dealy | | where it's not at... B.Dylan
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From: carlos@beowulf.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Carlos Carrion)
Subject: Re: The Role of the National News Media in Inflaming Passions
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Lines: 20
Distribution: ca
NNTP-Posting-Host: beowulf.jpl.nasa.gov
In article <1993Apr15.162552.5510@gordian.com> mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) writes:
>In article <1qjtmjINNq45@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>, carlos@beowulf.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Carlos Carrion) writes:
>> I have come to the conclusion that the TV stations here in LA
>> WANT a riot to happen when the verdict comes in.
>
> Why is this surprising? Then the _Times_ can get a few more
>Pulitzers the same way they did last year.
I suppose ALL media want something to happen, otherwise what would
they report: that's their job. (duhhh to me!)
But it's not so much surprising that they want a riot as it is amazing
how they carry that desire across in not so subtle ways (at least to
me...)
carlos.
"I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position
assigned to the white race" - Abraham Lincoln
...ames!elroy!jpl-devvax!{beowulf|pituco}!carlos
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From: reedr@cgsvax.claremont.edu
Subject: Re: proof of resurection
Organization: The Claremont Graduate School
Lines: 51
In article <Apr.23.02.56.33.1993.3165@geneva.rutgers.edu>, andrew@srsune.shlrc.mq.edu.au (Andrew McVeigh) writes:
> The Bible's message is that we are to love all people, and
> that all people are redeemable. It preaches a message of
> repentance, and of giving. Unfortunately, all people have
> deceitful hearts, and are capable of turning this message
> around and contorting it in sometimes unbelievable ways.
> This is also a fundamental Christian doctrine.
Andrew,
How I wish this were true, and how I long for the day in which it will
be true. But alas, it is not true of history. The Bible does not have a
message -- it has messages. And some of those are messages of repentance and
giving, to turn the other cheek, and do unto the least of these. But some
of the messages are the complete opposite. Like the isrealites order to
wipe out other tribes including women and children down to cattle, and
punished severely when they were less than complete about the job. Like
jews who are said to have cried out in Matthew, "His blood be upon our heads
and our childrens heads" A verse quoted in every pogrom from the crusades to
the holocaust. Have these been misunderstood? I think not. They have only
been understood too clearly. It is essential that christians grasp firmly
the good the bible teaches, the meek carpenter from Nazareth is a potent
symbol for how we should be, his teachings we must take to heart, but we
cannot ignore the other material in the bible which is not to our liking and
say those who live by that have misread it. To say that is only to chose a
point of interpretation and declare it normative. Such can be done with the
same legitmacy by anyone. Instead we must let the text critique the text.
Understanding that there is both good and bad in our sacred corpus, we test
all things and hold fast to that which is good.
>
>
> p.s. I believe that a line of questioning like you presented
> is, strangely enough, compatible with becoming a Christian.
> Certainly Christianity encourages one to question the behaviour
> of the world, and especially Christians. I praise God for
> Jesus Christ, and the fact that we can doubt our beliefs
> and still come back to God and be forgiven, time and time
> again.
>
At the risk of sounding heretical (well ok, more heretical) I don't think
that doubt is something which requires forgiveness, it is something which
requires introspection and reflection. If that is a sin, then there can
be no salvation, for doubt is an inescapble part of being human. Consider
Job. His friends had no doubt. Whereas Job had no doubt in himself but
doubted the wisdom and justice of God. When God finally did appear he
rebuked the friends and had job make sacrifices for them. To be a Christian
it to always have doubt, or not to have honesty.
Randy
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From: tcmay@netcom.com (Timothy C. May)
Subject: Re: The Escrow Database.
Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Lines: 41
Perry E. Metzger (pmetzger@snark.shearson.com) wrote:
: Here is a disturbing thought.
....good stuff elided....
: Don't pretend that no one unauthorized will ever get their hands on
: the escrow databases.
:
.......
: secret. The escrow databases aren't the sorts of secrets that our
: teachers told us about, but they are the sort of big secrets they
: would lump into this category. Imagine trying to replace 100 million
: Clipper chips.
Sounds to me like a *great* gimmick for a replacement market...every
so often issue a "Clipper Alert" announcing that some key backup tapes
are missing, that some Drug Lords got 'em, whatever. Then the owners
of these $1200 Clipperphones have to trot down to their local Key
Escrow Agency and buy new chips and have them programmed.
Microtoxin, the Clipper supplier, will make a killing...maybe this was
the real idea. (Anybody know if Janet Reno has stock in Microtoxin,
VLSI Technology, or AT&T?)
Could be a good opportunity to undermine this with some
disinformation: float rumors that the key database has been stolen.
All the chips need replacing. It angers people, undermines confidence
even more, and kills sales.
After the Waco Massacre and the Big Brother Wiretap Chip, any tactic
is fair.
-Tim May
--
..........................................................................
Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money,
tcmay@netcom.com | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero
408-688-5409 | knowledge, reputations, information markets,
W.A.S.T.E.: Aptos, CA | black markets, collapse of governments.
Higher Power: 2^756839 | Public Key: PGP and MailSafe available.
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From: nave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov (Joe Nave)
Subject: C=64 SYSTEM FOR SALE - MAKE OFFER...
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Distribution: usa
Lines: 24
FOR SALE:
*** COMPLETE PACKAGE ONLY ***
(1) COMMODORE C64 COMPUTER LIKE NEW IN THE BOX WITH POWER SUPPLY
AND OWNERS MANUALS
(2) COMMODORE 1541C DISK DRIVE LIKE NEW IN THE BOX - AND OWNERS
MANUAL
(3) COMMODORE 1702 COLOR MONITOR LIKE NEW AND OWNERS MANUAL
(4) PANASONIC KXP-1091 DOT MATRIX PRINTER LIKE NEW AND OWNERS
MANUAL
(5) PRINTER INTERFACE FOR PANASONIC PRINTER
(6) FASTLOAD CARTRIDGE
(7) HUGE STACK OF BOOKS ON C-64/1541 PROGRAMMING
MAKE A REASONABLE OFFER AND I'LL THROW IN 300+ DISKS OF SOFTWARE...
Please reply in e-mail.
--
Joachim Nave nave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov
Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Pasadena, California DISCLAIMER: No, I don't speak for JPL!
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From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight)
Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more.
Organization: DSI/USCRPAC
Distribution: na
Lines: 15
In article <Apr18.194927.17048@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>
holland@CS.ColoState.EDU (douglas craig holland) writes:
>Note that measures to protect yourself from
>TEMPEST surveillance are still classified, as far as I know.
I think this to be inaccurate. One can buy TEMPEST equipment commercially.
Even Macs.
David
--
David Sternlight Great care has been taken to ensure the accuracy of
our information, errors and omissions excepted.
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From: dpb@sdchemw2.ucsd.edu (Doug P. Book)
Subject: Stereo sound problem (?) on mac games
Organization: UC San Diego Chemistry
Lines: 62
Distribution: world
Reply-To: dpb@sdchemw2.ucsd.edu (Doug P. Book)
NNTP-Posting-Host: sdchemw2.ucsd.edu
Keywords: sound stereo, Quadra, 900, PowerBook, 170
Hi. I think I have a problem with the stereo sound output on my Quadra
900, but I am not totally sure because my roomate has the same problem
on his PowerBook 170. Any info or experience anyopne has would be
greatly appreciated.
When I hook my Quadra up to my home stereo system, the following types
of sounds (mono, as far as I can tell) all play fine through BOTH
speakers:
system beeps (already provided ones such as Indigo and ones I record)
Armor Alley
Spectre
Spaceward Ho!
But, the following games only play out of the left channel:
Lemmings
Out of This World (awesome game, BTW)
Glider 4.0
OIDS
But still, STEREO system beeps do play in stereo, through BOTH speakers.
(The one I'm specifically referrring to is Apocolyptic Beginning, which
my roommate downloaded from some ftp site (sumex?))
All of the symptoms are the same on my rommates 170 (he can't run
OOTW because he doesn't have color).
We're both running system 7.1
Does anyone with Lemmings or the other three games I mentioned above get
sound out of both speakers on a Mac II class, Quadra, LC, PowerBook 140 or
greater, Centris, SE/30, etc... (stereo) machine?
I used to have a Mac II, and I sort of rememeber Lemmings playing in
stereo on that machine, not just on the left channel. (I could be
mistaken, though. If there were a problem with the Quad 900's and PB
170's, I am wondering why the system beeps still play in stereo? If there
isn't a problem with our machines, I wonder why the 4 games above are
apparantly written to support only one channel of stereo when they
could just use mono sounds so the mono sound would at least come out of
both speakers (like Spectre, etc. do)?
Quadra 900's and PowerBook 170's have the same ROMS (to my knowledge),
so maybe this is a ROM problem? (if so, though, why wouldn't System 7.1
patch over this problem?)
Thanks for any help you can provide!
Doug Book
dpb@sdchemw2.ucsd.edu
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From: cs173sbw@sdcc5.ucsd.edu (cs173sbw)
Subject: RE: How is Cizeta V16T doing?
Lines: 22
Nntp-Posting-Host: sdcc5.ucsd.edu
In article <crh.734864478@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> crh@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.dbp.de (Christian Huebner) writes:
>I can remember reading a track competition in some car-magazine, which
>featured the Testarossa, the Diablo and the V16T. The result was about
>the same I would have expected: The Cizeta was not only the slowest of
>the three, but also dropped out halfway during it's test laps because
>of smoking brakes. For a sportscar it showed ridiculous performance.
>
Hm... I find this hard to believe. V16T weights about the same as
the Red Head, but it has hell lot more horse power. Perhaps it's
due to pre-production glitches? Well, to me, it still got the most
imposing styling among all the sports cars I have seen.
>Bye...
>
>Chris crh@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de
>
>Ferrari F40 - Best sportscar ever built!
Personally, I don't like cars that rely on turbo power. I guess everyone
has their favorite car.
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From: bernstei@shrike.und.ac.za (Simon Bernstein)
Subject: BOCA XGA3 woes
Organization: University of Natal (Durban), South Africa
Lines: 25
NNTP-Posting-Host: shrike.und.ac.za
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]
Hi. I am having some interesting problems with my Boca graphics card, which
is based on the Cirrus Logic chipset (I am not sure exactly which one). The
problem is as follows:
If I use any Windows driver at 800x600 except for the 64K-colour driver (ie
16 colour or 256 colour), the image on screen becomes too tall - no amount of
resizing on the monitor will make it fit. And if I use Excel with the 64K-
colour driver, it hangs as soon as it loads. Anyone out there used this
card/experienced anything similar.
Please reply by mail, and I will post any solutions here.
Regards
- Simon
--
+-------------------------------+--------------------------------------------+
| Simon Bernstein | "Man is condemned to be free" (Sartre) |
| University of Natal, Durban +--------------------------------------------+
| bernstei@shrike.und.ac.za | Simonfish on IRC |
+-------------------------------+--------------------------------------------+
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From: ak333@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Martin Linsenbigler)
Subject: Re: mouse on COM3 under Windows 3.1 ?
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Lines: 34
Reply-To: ak333@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Martin Linsenbigler)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu
In a previous article, jpaparel@cs.ulowell.edu (Joseph Paparella) says:
>I've pursued and researched this question over the last month or so because I have the same requirements you do......and the long and short of it is that the windows mouse drivers don't accept mice at any but com1 and com2 using irq4 or irq3 unless you buy special drivers from someone who has them.....I've talked to Mouse Systems who say their driver doesn't support other than com1 and com2 as above , but who claim to be releasing one that will SOON!??.
>
>The other alternative seems to be possible, but in one case prohibitively expensive, i.e. 4 port card for $600??????!!, and in the other, the author(s) of PowerBBS for Windows claim to have a 4 port serial card with buffered 16550 UARTS and drivers for windows to match (i.e. com3 irq5) for $120......
>
>The second paragraph is hearsay, because I haven't checked it out yet.....but intend to as soon as I can free up $120 <g>
>
>Hope this will save you some steps.
>
>
I had this problem when I first loaded windows. My I/O card is for 2 HD's
2 FD's 1 Parrelel 2 serial (1 for mouse and 1 for my external modem) and
a game port. PROBLEM enters. The DARN serial ports have no selection for
COM settings, they are stuck on 3 and 4.
Good card for HD's and FD's but lousy for serial.
I called Microsoft and other places. The long and short of it is
WINDOWS wants com1 and 2 ONLY!, for mouse selection.
I went out and bought a small I/O card just for parrelel and serial.
Now I have ALL 4 active COM ports and LPT1 and LPT2.
This Half card was less than $20.
Mouse on COM 1 external modem on COM 2, I disabled the LPT2 so I could use
the interupt for my scanner card IRQ.
C-ya..... /\/\artin
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From: mmatusev@radford.vak12ed.edu (Melissa N. Matusevich)
Subject: Re: Emphysema question
Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Radford)
Lines: 13
Thanks for all your assistance. I'll see if he can try a
different brand of patches, although he's tried two brands
already. Are there more than two?
Melissa
---
mmatusev@radford.vak12ed.edu
"After a time you may find that having is not so pleasing a thing
after all as wanting. It is not logical, but it is often true."
Spock to Stonn
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