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From: marshall@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Kevin Marshall)
Subject: Re: some thoughts.
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA
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NNTP-Posting-Host: csugrad.cs.vt.edu
Keywords: Dan Bissell
bissda@saturn.wwc.edu (DAN LAWRENCE BISSELL) writes:
> Some reasons why he wouldn't be a liar are as follows. Who would
>die for a lie? Wouldn't people be able to tell if he was a liar? People
>gathered around him and kept doing it, many gathered from hearing or seeing
>someone who was or had been healed. Call me a fool, but I believe he did
>heal people.
Anyone who dies for a "cause" runs the risk of dying for a lie. As for
people being able to tell if he was a liar, well, we've had grifters and
charlatans since the beginning of civilization. If David Copperfield had
been the Messiah, I bet he could have found plenty of believers.
Jesus was hardly the first to claim to be a faith healer, and he wasn't the
first to be "witnessed." What sets him apart?
> Niether was he a lunatic. Would more than an entire nation be drawn
>to someone who was crazy. Very doubtful, in fact rediculous. For example
>anyone who is drawn to David Koresh is obviously a fool, logical people see
>this right away.
Rubbish. Nations have followed crazies, liars, psychopaths, and
megalomaniacs throughout history. Hitler, Tojo, Mussolini, Khomeini,
Qadaffi, Stalin, Papa Doc, and Nixon come to mind...all from this century.
Koresh is a non-issue.
> Therefore since he wasn't a liar or a lunatic, he must have been the
>real thing.
Take a discrete mathematics or formal logic course. There are flaws in your
logic everywhere. And as I'm sure others will tell you, read the FAQ!
> Some other things to note. He fulfilled loads of prophecies in
>the psalms, Isaiah and elsewhere in 24 hrs alone. This in his betrayal
>and Crucifixion. I don't have my Bible with me at this moment, next time I
>write I will use it.
Of course, you have to believe the Bible first. Just because something is
written in the Bible does not mean it is true, and the age of that tome plus
the lack of external supporting evidence makes it less credible. So if you
do quote from the Bible in the future, try to back up that quote with
supporting evidence. Otherwise, you will get flamed mercilessly.
> I don't think most people understand what a Christian is. It
>is certainly not what I see a lot in churches. Rather I think it
>should be a way of life, and a total sacrafice of everything for God's
>sake. He loved us enough to die and save us so we should do the
>same. Hey we can't do it, God himself inspires us to turn our lives
>over to him. That's tuff and most people don't want to do it, to be a
>real Christian would be something for the strong to persevere at. But
>just like weight lifting or guitar playing, drums, whatever it takes
>time. We don't rush it in one day, Christianity is your whole life.
>It is not going to church once a week, or helping poor people once in
>a while. We box everything into time units. Such as work at this
>time, sports, Tv, social life. God is above these boxes and should be
>carried with us into all these boxes that we have created for
>ourselves.
Just like weight lifting or guitar playing, eh? I don't know how you
define the world "total," but I would imagine a "total sacrafice [sp]
of everything for God's sake" would involve more than a time commitment.
You are correct about our tendency to "box everything into time units."
Would you explain HOW one should involove God in sports and (hehehe)
television?
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From: mcguire@cs.utexas.edu (Tommy Marcus McGuire)
Subject: Re: Live Free, but Quietly, or Die
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
Lines: 29
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: cash.cs.utexas.edu
In article <1qmi34$g2n@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
>In article 5049@cvbnetPrime.COM, tjohnson@tazmanian.prime.com (Tod Johnson (617) 275-1800 x2317) writes:
[...]
>>Sure there are horns but my hand is already on the throttle. Should we
>>get into how many feet a bike going 55mph goes in .30 seconds; or
>>how long it would take me to push my horn button??
>
[...]
>
>The answer is 161.33 feet.
>
>---
>Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
[...]
Try something like 24.2 feet.
EdGetACalculator
-----
Tommy McGuire
mcguire@cs.utexas.edu
mcguire@austin.ibm.com
"...I will append an appropriate disclaimer to outgoing public information,
identifying it as personal and as independent of IBM...."
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From: schock@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Craig Schock)
Subject: Re: Smiths birthday goal was LEAFS GO ALL THE WAY !!!
Organization: University of Calgary Computer Science
Lines: 26
In article <C5JunA.4vH@cpsc.ucalgary.ca> layfield@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Colin Layfield) writes:
>In article <C4wty9.40u@mcs.anl.gov> mwm@aps.anl.gov writes:
>>In article 5KL@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca, kwk2chow@descartes.uwaterloo.ca (KEVIN C.) writes:
>>> (Thanks for the goals by Steve Smith)
>>I don't see why more people don't blame grant fuhr for the goal that smith
>>put in his own net, it's common to play the puck back to your own goalie when
>>deep in your own end and under little or no pressure from the offensive team.
>>If fuhr had been in position the puck would have never crossed the line.
>>
>>Mike McDowell
>
>I have to disagree with you on this one. It is anything BUT common. In the
>4 or 5 years I have been watching hockey I have NEVER seen this happen EVER.
>
>I am not sure what league you have been watching. :-)
>
>Anyone else agree with this?
Yes, Colin... I have to agree with you here... I've put the puck in
my own net the same way Smith did... (only once, mind you :-) and it
was definitely my fault. It is NOT a common play to play the puck the
way that Smith did.
Luckily, for me... when I did it... it was only a scrimmage :-)
Craig
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From: klopfens@andy.bgsu.edu (Bruce Klopfenstein)
Subject: Ind. Source Picks Baerga Over Alomar: Case Closed
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.
Distribution: na
Lines: 13
fester@island.COM (Mike Fester) writes:
>
> I'd say you could make a good for them being about equal right now. T&P
> rated Baerga higher, actually.
>
> Mike
> --
Finally, an objective source. Alomar's a great player, but so is Baerga.
Nice to see the objective source cited rather than "my dad's bigger than
your dad" posts.
BK
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From: Nanci Ann Miller <nm0w+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Bible Quiz
Organization: Sponsored account, School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Lines: 14
<kmr4.1582.734882394@po.CWRU.edu>
NNTP-Posting-Host: andrew.cmu.edu
In-Reply-To: <kmr4.1582.734882394@po.CWRU.edu>
kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) writes:
> Would you mind e-mailing me the questions, with the pairs of answers?
> I would love to have them for the next time a Theist comes to my door!
I'd like this too... maybe you should post an answer key after a while?
Nanci
.........................................................................
If you know (and are SURE of) the author of this quote, please send me
email (nm0w+@andrew.cmu.edu):
It is better to be a coward for a minute than dead for the rest of your
life.
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From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian)
Subject: Re: Accounts of Anti-Armenian Human Right Violations in Azerbaijan #010
Organization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies
Lines: 23
In article <1993Apr20.050956.25141@freenet.carleton.ca> aa624@Freenet.carleton.
ca (Suat Kiniklioglu) [a.k.a. Kubilay Kultigin] writes:
[KK] david
Yes?
[KK] give it a rest. will you ???
No.
[KK] it is increasingly becoming very annoying...
Barbarism is rather annoying for you, now isn't it, especially when it comes
from from a country, Azerbaijan, that claims Turkey as its number one ally,
protector, and mentor!
--
David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | "How do we explain Turkish troops on
S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | the Armenian border, when we can't
P.O. Box 382761 | even explain 1915?"
Cambridge, MA 02238 | Turkish MP, March 1992
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From: meb4593@galileo.rtn.ca.boeing.com (Michael Bain)
Subject: What about No-Fault?
Organization: Boeing Commercial Airplane Group, Seattle
Lines: 14
Insurance companies sure seem to go for No-Fault coverage. Since the
majority of accidents are the cagers' fault, doesn't this imply that we
would have to pay much higher rates under a No-Fault system?
With a cars-only system, it seems to make sense on the surface: take the
legal costs out of the system. But it looks like motorcyclists would
get screwed.
--
Michael "Chuck" Bain meb4593@icdfs.ca.boeing.com
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"Semi-Loud Pipes Save Lives"
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From: ddf@mips.com (Dee Dee France)
Subject: European/Russian Hockey team addresses?
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc
Lines: 56
NNTP-Posting-Host: ralph.mti.sgi.com
Originator: ddf@ralph.mti.sgi.com
Does anyone have the addresses to any of the following hockey teams
located in the Czech/Slovak Republics, Finland, Russia or Sweden?
Any information on how to find these addresses would also be appreciated.
Aik
Assat
Brynas
Budejovice
Chelabinsk
Djurgarden
Dynamo
Eskulap
Espoo
Farjestad
Frolunda
HPK
HV-71
Hifk
Ilves
JYP HT
Jihlava
Jokerit
Jokp
Kalpa
Khimik
Kladno
Kristall
Lada
Leksand
Litvinov
Lukko
Lulea
Malmo
Metallurg
Modo
Olomouc
Pardubice
Red Army
Rogle
Skoda
Slovan
Soviet Wings
Sparta
Spartak
TPS
Tappara
Trencin
Tuto
Vantaa
Vasteras
Yaroslavl
Zlin
--
Dee Dee France
ddf@sgi.com
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From: jono@mac-ak-24.rtsg.mot.com (Jon Ogden)
Subject: Re: Losing your temper is not a Christian trait
Organization: Motorola LPA Development
Lines: 26
In article <Apr.23.02.55.47.1993.3138@geneva.rutgers.edu>, jcj@tellabs.com
(jcj) wrote:
> I'd like to remind people of the withering of the fig tree and Jesus
> driving the money changers et. al. out of the temple. I think those
> were two instances of Christ showing anger (as part of His human side).
>
Yes, and what about Paul saying:
26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:
(Ephesians 4:26).
Obviously then, we can be angry w/o sinning.
Jon
------------------------------------------------
Jon Ogden - jono@mac-ak-24.rtsg.mot.com
Motorola Cellular - Advanced Products Division
Voice: 708-632-2521 Data: 708-632-6086
------------------------------------------------
They drew a circle and shut him out.
Heretic, Rebel, a thing to flout.
But Love and I had the wit to win;
We drew a circle and took him in.
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From: pk@wet.UUCP (Philip King)
Subject: PC, NETWORK and OFFICE EQUIPMENT - LONG (Repost, Lower Prices!)
Keywords: PC,LAN,Novell,ethernet,IBM,laser,copier
Distribution: na
Organization: Wetware Diversions, San Francisco
Lines: 161
NEW POSTING, LOWER PRICES!! MAKE OFFERS ON ANYTHING THAT SEEMS INTERESTING!!
A company I'm associated with is closing out some inventory and office
equipment. Here's what's available:
Quan. Item Description Price ea.
******* NEW ADDITIONS!! ********
1 NOVELL * 100 USER * version of BEST OFFER
NETWARE 2.15 ADVANCED NETWARE 286, with
TTS, SFT II System Fault Tolerance level (Remember
II (Disk Duplexing, Mirroring), v2.2 sells
Transaction Tracking (Fault for $3000
Tolerant File System), etc. for 100
Just the manuals alone take users!
up a foot and a half of shelf
space!
1 HAYES LANSTEP HAYES Peer-to-Peer LAN $40
Starter Package OPERATING SYSTEM and email.
NetBIOS compatible, expands
up to 128 users. UNOPENED.
1 Canon NP1010 Great little COPY MACHINE - $200
makes great copies (just needs
toner) Reduce, Enlarge, etc.
Very Good Condition, a bargain!
(End of new items)
2 Bytex RingOut Token Ring Cable and MAU (Was $750)
testing and certification
tool. This is the standard NOW: $625
HANDHELD TESTING UNIT used
by large companies such as
Coca Cola and American Express
to certify their physical layer.
Current retail price: $1495.
These are demo or NEW.
1 Microtest Lanmodem Excellent MODEM SERVER for Novell (Was
Networks. Supports "Remote LAN $900)
Node" indial, modem pooling, and
LAN to LAN asynchronous routing. NOW:
Ethernet version. Current retail $750
price: $2000
13 Microtest Lanport Standalone ETHERNET PRINT WAS: $200
AUI --> COM1 SERVER for Novell Networks
(The Intel NetportII is NOW: $150 ea.
based on this. Original
retail: $595) Most of
these are BRAND NEW.
12 Microtest Lanport See above "
BNC --> COM1
11 Microtest Lanport See above "
BNC --> COM1, COM2
3 Microtest Lanport See above "
AUI --> COM1, COM2
4 Microtest Lanport See above "
AUI --> LPT1
1 Microtest Lanport See above "
BNC --> LPT1
2 Token Ring MAU 8-port IBM 8228 clone $100
5 Milan MIL-03P AUI to 10BaseT Mini TRANSCEIVER (WAS: $50)
NOW: $40
1 QMS SmartWriter 8/3X HP LaserJet PLUS Compatible (WAS $400)
LASER PRINTER. 8 ppm, 300 dpi.
Based on the Canon Engine, it NOW: $325
has serial and IBM TWINAX ports.
Emulates HP, Epson FX, IBM
Proprinter, Diablo, and Qume.
Downloads HP fonts. Reliable!
2 IBM Quietwriter 2 Quiet, letter-quality PRINTER. $100
1 sheet at a time feed. Have
extra ribbon cartridges.
1 IBM Tractor Feed For the Quietwriter above. $25
3 IBM PC/XT Compatible Misc PC/XT compatible COMPUTERS, (WAS:
some are "PCs Limited" (original $150)
DELL Computer Co.), some are
"Tech PC/XT". These come with NOW:
at least a 20 MB hard disk, a $125
360 KB floppy, monochrome video
card, keyboard, and 640 kb of
memory.
3 IBM PC/AT or Compatible Some of these are original IBM (WAS: $200-
AT's, some are TURBO clones. $250)
Clone brands include Tandon,
Acer, and Everex. Standard NOW: $175-
equipment is the same as above, $200
except most have 30-40 MB hard
drives, and 1 1.2 MB floppy.
4 Amber Monitor for PC IBM Compatible Monochrome TTL $20
type, brands vary, including
Samsung, Magnavox, and ADI.
(Mostly want to stay local on
these - too hard to ship)
2 IBM 5151 Green Monitor Ubiquitous IBM PC Display, $20
Monochrome TTL type.
(Local - see above)
1 Zenith ZFL181-92 LAPTOP PC. Full-Size and Full- (WAS $300)
Travel keyboard, XT compatible,
Backlit Supertwist (?) Display, NOW: $250
Dual 720k floppies.
1 Accton EtherCoax-8W 8-bit, BNC ETHERNET INTERFACE (WAS: $60)
card for PC compatibles. This
unit is nicely made (mostly NOW: $45
(Also have 1 used, BO) surface mount) clone of the
ubiquitous Western Digital
WD-8003E. NEW in box with disk.
6 Western Digital WD8003E The "real McCoy" version of the $50
above. Drivers are available
for just about anything. Used.
Surprising performance for an 8
bit card. No DMA hassles.
1 Hedaka 2400 Modem Internal, for PC Compatibles. (WAS: $35)
In box, almost new, works fine.
NOW: $25
1 Hayes 1200B Internal Internal 1200 real HAYES modem $15
for PC compatibles. Untested.
Terms on the above are C.O.D., shipping extra. As usual, offers are welcome,
but I think most of these prices are more than fair. Most of this equipment
is tested and working perfectly, unless otherwise noted.
Please contact me via email as follows:
pk@wet.com {netcom,hoptoad}!wet!pk
Thanks!
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From: jtchern@ocf.berkeley.edu (Joseph Hernandez)
Subject: Re: WHAT'S WITH ALL THESE SCORES?
Organization: JTC Enterprises Sports Division (Major League Baseball Dept.)
Lines: 38
NNTP-Posting-Host: monsoon.berkeley.edu
In article <1qp1m9INNfjg@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok) writes:
>In article <1993Apr17.050311.10098@news.yale.edu> (Sean Garrison) writes:
>} [Stuff about upated inning scores deleted.]
>at just that exact time to see the message. even results after the game
>is over are not necessary, thanks to Mr. Hernandez who posts daily
>standings and results here every day.
Am I supposed to take that as a compliment or a put down? Just wondering.
I do this as a service to the entire baseball world on USENET, especially
for those in the East Coast who can't get final scores for West Coast games
in their newspapers or late TV newscasts. This is helpful to fans in other
countries who either receive only weekly scores or updates by the week. Also,
many have requested for this kind of service previously but it was only
available through BBS's or some pay news services. By the way, mine is free
of charge and has no copyright restrictions.
>if you want to send updates and scores, set up a private mailing list
>and use that.
Remember I only post final scores and the updated standings once a day to the
rec.sport.baseball newsgroup. Other than that, everything is done through
private e-mail. Currently, there are 986 people on my mailing list that
branches off into other mailing lists available for many others. And the list
grows by an average of 35 people a day.
If people on USENET really don't want to see the postings I do to
rec.sport.baseball on a daily basis, please just let me know. If the response
is overwhelming against the posts, I won't do it anymore.
Thanks for your time.
Joseph Hernandez
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Joseph Hernandez | RAMS | | /.\ ******* _|_|_ / | LAKERS
jtchern@ocf.Berkeley.EDU | KINGS | |__ | | DODGERS _|_|_ | | RAIDERS
jtcent@soda.Berkeley.EDU | ANGELS |____||_|_| ******* | | |___| CLIPPERS
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From: kahn@troi.cc.rochester.edu (James Kahn)
Subject: Re: David Wells
Nntp-Posting-Host: troi.cc.rochester.edu
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)
Lines: 9
In article <1993Apr5.124526.10219@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com> carrd@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com writes:
>Has David Wells landed with a team yet? I'd think the Tigers with their
>anemic pitching would grab this guy pronto!
They did. For $950K.
Jim
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Subject: Re: Traffic morons
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford)
Distribution: world
Organization: Winona State University
Nntp-Posting-Host: stafford.winona.msus.edu
Lines: 28
In article <10326.97.uupcb@compdyn.questor.org>,
ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) wrote:
>
> NMM>From: nielsmm@imv.aau.dk (Niels Mikkel Michelsen)
> NMM>Subject: How to act in front of traffic jerks
>
> NMM>The other day, it was raining cats and dogs, therefor I was going only to
> NMM>the speed limit, on nothing more, on my bike. This guy in his BMW was
> NMM>driving 1-2 meters behind me for 7-800 meters and at the next red light I
> NMM>calmly put the bike on its leg, walked back to this car, he rolled down the
> NMM>window, and I told him he was a total idiot (and the reason why).
>
> NMM>Did I do the right thing?
imho, you did the wrong thing. You could have been shot
or he could have run over your bike or just beat the shit
out of you. Consider that the person is foolish enough
to drive like a fool and may very well _act_ like one, too.
Just get the heck away from the idiot.
IF the driver does something clearly illegal, you _can_
file a citizens arrest and drag that person into court.
It's a hassle for you but a major hassle for the perp.
====================================================
John Stafford Minnesota State University @ Winona
All standard disclaimers apply.
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From: nahess@mir.gatech.edu (Nicholas A. Hess)
Subject: Hitatchi Raster Format (HRF)?
Organization: USGS Center for Spatial Analysis Technologies
Lines: 19
NNTP-Posting-Host: mir.gatech.edu
Keywords: HRF
Our shop uses a package called CADCore - very good - to scan and
subsequently vectorize original maps into digital maps. The problem is that
once the raster file is loaded into the CADCore package, a header is added
to the .HRF file which makes it unreadable by the supplied converter. We
would like to be able to ship some of the already-altered raster images for
further use on our workstations. So, here are my questions:
(1) What is the Hitachi format? - I need this format so I can recognize
precisely what to strip out. I strongly suspect that it's a compressed
format - if so, then t might not be possible for me to strip out the
offending header.
(2) Are there any UNIX packages that read and recognize HRF? It would be
really nice to find some sort of "hrftopbm" converter out there. ;)
I've already searched some of the more well-known ftp sites which contain
graphics formats documentation, with no luck. So, if you know, or knwo
someone who knows - please email! Thanks.
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From: alung@megatest.com (Aaron Lung)
Subject: Re: Adcom cheap products?
Organization: Megatest Corporation
Lines: 30
In article <1993Apr16.105738.20864@hippo.ru.ac.za> webb@itu1 (90-29265 Webber AH) writes:
> ...stuff deleted...
>
>I was also sceptical about the amps being built in the far-east
> or where-ever. But if you look in the amp and see what components
> they use and how it was designed, you can easily see why the
> amplifiers sound so brilliant.
Good point...also, I wouldn't be surprised that the components
they use off-shore are of inferior quality. As long as it was
properly designed and robust, premium components are used, it
shouldn't matter where it is assembled.
>I cannot see why people say the amplifier won't last - not with
> those quality components inside. Sure the amp runs very fairly
> hot - but that's how you get an amp to sound incredibly good.
An amp that runs hot has no bearing on how it's gonna sound.
The amp you have probably is running Class-A the whole day.
Actually, I'd be wary of excessively hot amps, 'cauz even though
the components inside may be rated to run that way, excessive
heat will dramatically shorten the life of *any* electronic component
regardless of quality. In fact, an amp that does run hot to the touch is
because either the engineer or manufacturer of that amp wanted
to skimp on heatsinking or cooling to save costs! Hmmmmm....
aaron
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From: dje@bmw535.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Don Eilenberger)
Subject: Re: Do trains have radar?
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Lines: 30
In article <1993Apr13.111652@usho72.hou281.chevron.com>, hhtra@usho72.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock) writes:
|>
|> While taking an extended Easter vacation, I was going north on I-45
|> somewhere between Centerville, TX and Dallas, TX and I came upon a
|> train parked on a trestle with its locomotive sitting directly over
|> the northbound lanes. There appeared to be movement within the cab
|> and out of curiosity I slowed to 85 to get a better look. Just as I
|> passed from underneath the trestle, my radar detector went into full
|> alert - all lights lit and all chirps, beeps, and buzzes going strong.
|> I thought I had been nailed good but no police materialized.
|>
|> Could this have been caused by the train's radio or what?
|>
|>
|> TRAVIS
Boy, Travis..
Were you LUCKY!!.. you went under the new Texas Rangers
Stealth Patrol Car! Good thing you slowed down!
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Distribution: world
References: <1993Apr13.111652@usho72.hou281.chevron.com>
From: dje@bmw535.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Don Eilenberger)
Organization:
Subject: Re: Do trains have radar?
Keywords:
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From: r0506048@cml3 (Chun-Hung Lin)
Subject: Re: JPEG file format?
Nntp-Posting-Host: cml3.csie.ntu.edu.tw
Reply-To: r0506048@csie.ntu.edu.tw
Organization: Communication & Multimedia Lab, NTU, Taiwan
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Lines: 20
peterbak@microsoft.com (Peter Bako) writes:
:
: Where could I find a description of the JPG file format? Specifically
: I need to know where in a JPG file I can find the height and width of
: the image, and perhaps even the number of colors being used.
:
: Any suggestions?
:
: Peter
Try ftp.uu.net, in /graphics/jpeg.
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Chun-Hung Lin ( ªL«T§» )
r0506048@csie.ntu.edu.tw
Communication & Multimedia Lab.
Dept. of Comp. Sci. & Info. Eng.
National Taiwan University, Taipei, Taiwan, R.O.C.
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From: brian@lpl.arizona.edu (Brian Ceccarelli 602/621-9615)
Subject: Re: 14 Apr 93 God's Promise in 1 John 1: 7
Organization: Lunar & Planetary Laboratory, Tucson AZ.
Lines: 30
I had said:
> Merlyn, you missed the point too. Christianity is a relationship. I have
> a relationship with my God. I <<know>> Him.
>
> Consider your mother Merlyn. You know your mother. What would you think
> of me if I asserted that your mother is 9 feet tall, murdered your father,
> and sexually abused you when you were a kid? Would you, who knows your
> mother well, think was a blind arrogant idiot to proclaim such things?
Merlyn LeRoy says:
>This analogy is not good; for example, there are plenty of people who
>"know" god as well as you do, but don't agree on things like:
>
>1) how many children he/she has
>2) whether he/she approves of polygamy
>3) whether Mohammed was one of his/her prophets
>
>Now, if you AND all these other people who ABSOLUTELY KNOW what god is
>like can't agree on basic attributes like these, at least one of you
>who "knows" what this god-thing is like must be wrong; therefore,
>subjective certainty is worthless regarding knowledge of this god.
>
>On the other hand, I don't know any large groups of people who claim
>absolute knowledge of my mother and who disagree about her basic
>attributes. This is the difference between real people and imaginary friends.
Meryln, therefore by your logic, since your people disagree about
the characteristics of your mother, you mother must be imaginary.
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From: (Austin Jacobs)
Subject: BOB KNEPPER WAS DAMN RIGHT!
Nntp-Posting-Host: berkeley-kstar-node.net.yale.edu
Organization: University of Yaleta
Lines: 17
Don't you GUYS think so? I mean, c'mon! What the heck are women doing
even THINKING of getting into baseball. They cause so many problems. Just
look at Lisa Olson. Remember that feisty reporter that entered the New
England Patriots locker room? She started crying like a LITTLE GIRL! I
just don't think women belong in a man's sport. Before you smart guys
flame me for this, I know the given example was about football. Who cares?
It still applies to other MALE sports. How can we have women umpires?
Jeez! Look at Pam Postema. Just because she's a woman, everybody on the
face of the earth thinks it's great that she's getting an opportunity to
ump. If you even watched the games and had an IQ greater than that of
roast beef, you'd see that she is not nearly as good as most AAA umpires.
Besides, she is probably more worried about cracking a fingernail with a
foul tip off of Wade Boggs' bat. Or Jose Oquendo's bat. Either way, there
are too many complications.
ÑAustin Jacobs (Bob Knepper Fan Club Member #12)
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From: jpw0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JASON PAUL WALTERS)
Subject: Re: GW2000 and SIMMS
Organization: Lehigh University
Lines: 24
In article <113956@bu.edu>, nshah@acs2.bu.edu writes:
>I have a gateway2000 483/33 local bus system. It has 4 slots for SIMMS
>that either have to use 4 or 16MB simms. My question: I just
>received a 4x9 70ns simm and it has ~30 pins. The slot on the
>motherboard has at least 70 or so pins. Did I get the wrong simm
>or can I still use my simm , although not all the pins on the slot would
>be flilled. I have never encountered such a long slot for simms before.
>Anyone have suggestions? I can't get a hold of Gateway yet. Thanks
>Please post to the net or : nshah@acs.bu.edu
>
Yes, You bought the WRONG SIMMS.....You need 1X36 or 4X36, which are 72 pin
SIMMS.....These are better anyway becuase the send/receive data in 4byte
(32bit+4bit parity, one for each byte) Chunks. You will undoubtedly see these
SIMMS becoming more widely used in the near future.
Jason
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* JPW0@LEHIGH.EDU *
*JPW0@PL122.eecs.LEHIGH.EDU*
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From: d91-hes@tekn.hj.se (STEFAN HERMANSSON)
Subject: re: Vesa on the Speedstar 24
Organization: H|gskolan i J|nk|ping
Lines: 8
Nntp-Posting-Host: pc9_b109.et.hj.se
Just posting to John Cormack.
I wanted to tell you that there is a "slight" difference between
Speedstar 24 and Speedstar 24X
/Stefan
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From: mrizvi@gfx.engga.uwo.ca (Mr. Mubashir Rizvi)
Subject: Re: No humanity in Bosnia
Organization: Univ. Western Ontario, London Ont. CA
Keywords: Barbarism
Nntp-Posting-Host: cad8.gfx.engga.uwo.ca
Lines: 11
It is very encouraging that a number of people took so interest in my posting.I recieved a couple of letters too,some has debated the statement that events in Bosnia are unprecedented in the history of the modern world.Those who contest this statement present the figures of the World War II.However we must keep in mind that it was a World War and no country had the POWER to stop it,today is the matter not of the POWER but of the WILL.It
seems to be that what we lack is the will.
Second point of difference (which makes it different from the holocast(sp?) ) is that at that time international community
didnot have enough muscle to prevent the unfortunate event,
today inspite of all the might,the international community is not just standing neutral but has placed an arms embargo which
is to the obvious disadvantage of the weeker side and therefore to the advantage of the bully.Hence indirecltly and possibly
unintentionally, mankind has sided with the killers.And this,I think is unprecedented in the history of the modern world.
M.Rizvi
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From: weinss@rs6101.ecs.rpi.edu (Stephen Andrew Weinstein)
Subject: New Religion Forming -- Sign Up
Summary: Read it. Worthwhile. Laughs & serious questions about real religion.
Keywords: Eveism, religion,
Nntp-Posting-Host: rs6101.ecs.rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
Lines: 102
Let me begin by saying I think this is the world's first religion to use
the net as its major recruitment medium. Therefore, even if this
religion does not take off, its founding members will be very important
historically as this method of soliciting membership will eventually become
common.
The basis of this religion is to apply various aspects of current conventional
morality to the characters in Genesis and Exodus but assume that the Bible's
accounts of the facts and historical events is correct.
For example,
Story of Adam and Eve:
Adam and Eve are in Garden of Eden naked and ignorant. Have unlimited
supply of food provided, but no clothing, jobs, or knowledge. God says
not to eat fruit of tree of knowledge. They do anyway, then try to hide
in bushes. God finds them and forces them out of Garden.
(There are several different stories on what they were doing while naked in
the bushes that might have angered God.)
Traditional Philosophy:
1. The only reason you need knowledge or a job is to eat. If someone else will
provide you with food, then you can be stupid and unemployed and it's OK. This
is why married women usually didn't work until recent decades.
2. Authority figures, such as God, whoever was behind the Vietnam War, Hitler
and slaveowners, are always right and should be blindly followed without
question by ordinary people, who can't make decisions for themselves.
Interpretation of events based on Traditional Philosophy:
They were not supposed to eat the fruit. They should have done whatever God
told them to. Like small children, they had their needs provided for and were
obligated to do whatever their "Father" said to. Being forced to leave the
Garden and work in order to obtain food was a punishment.
Lessons from Traditional Interpretation:
1. Ignorance is good. Knowledge is bad, but tempting.
2. Having food provided for you for nothing (read "welfare") is ideal. Get-
ting a job and feeding yourself with what you earn is punishment.
3. Public nudity is good. Covering up is bad.
4. Authority figures are intrinsically right. Normal people are dumb and
should do whatever they are told without question. They should not think for
themselves.
5. People in subordinate positions are especially obligated to refrain from
learning. For example, it should be illegal for slaves to learn to read.
1990's philosophy:
1. People should seek education and employment outside the home, unless
named "Hillary Clinton" or "Murphy Brown".
2. People should use common sense. They should not kill other people
(binding of Issac, wars, Holocaust, etc.) just because they are told to.
Interpretation of events based on current philosophy:
They were supposed to eat the fruit. God gave wanted them to seek knowledge
rather than be handed it on a silver platter. Once they had gained knowledge
and (by seeking it) showed their ability to make mature decisions for them-
selves, they no longer needed to be treated like little children and were
REWARDED by being allowed into the "real world."
Lessons from new interpretation:
1. Ignorance is bad. Knowledge is good, but must be sought.
2. Having food provided for you for nothing (read "welfare") is at best
a temporary measure. Getting a job and feeding yourself with what you earn
is ideal.
3. Public nudity is bad. Covering up is good.
4. Authority figures are often wrong. Normal people are intelligent and
should consider whether the instructions are really a good idea and "alter
or abolish" bad governments. They should think for themselves.
5. People in subordinate decisions are often discouraged from knowledge
but should seek it anyway, and all the harder. For example, poor children
without good schools should work especially hard in order to make a better
life for their children (and themselves).
I have tentatively named this new philosophy "The Church of Eveism" because
Eve's decision to eat the apple is man[sic]kind's first good decision, instead
of its first bad one, as traditionally believed. She is therefore clearly
a protagonist. God at first appears evil, for telling people not to seek
knowledge but on deeper analysis is also a protagonist. As God rewarded the
decision to defy him, and provided the tree in the first place, the intention
and desire were clearly to have the knowledge be obtained, but to delay it
until it was actively sought.
---End serious discussion. Begin humor.--
Save this post to disk (or file server). Someday it will be considered the
most important writing since the 10 Commandments. You want an original copy.
Stay tuned for the RFD on soc.religion.eveism...
Can I get a tax deduction for money I donate to this organization?
--Return to serious discussion when posting follow-ups.--
Stephen Weinstein
weinss@rpi.edu
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From: klute@tommy.informatik.uni-dortmund.de (Rainer Klute)
Subject: Re: imake - help needed
Organization: CS Department, Dortmund University, Germany
Lines: 18
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: tommy.informatik.uni-dortmund.de
In article <1993Apr20.101306.21536@def.bae.co.uk>, paul@def.bae.co.uk (Paul
Byrne) writes:
|> Can someone please give me some pointers to setting up imake in a SUN
|> OPENWINDOWS
|> enviornment ? I've checked through all the documentation but can not
|> find any clues.
Sun's OpenWindows imake is broken. I suggest installing imake-pure, MIT's
X11R5 imake. You can get it from ftp.germany.eu.net in file
/pub/X11/misc/imake/imake-pure.tar.Z (117807 Byte).
--
Dipl.-Inform. Rainer Klute I R B : immer richtig beraten
Univ. Dortmund, IRB
Postfach 500500 |)|/ Tel.: +49 231 755-4663
D-W4600 Dortmund 50 |\|\ Fax : +49 231 755-2386
new address after June 30th: Univ. Dortmund, D-44221 Dortmund
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From: maverick@wpi.WPI.EDU (T. Giaquinto)
Subject: General Information Request
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
Lines: 11
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu
I am looking for any information about the space program.
This includes NASA, the shuttles, history, anything! I would like to
know if anyone could suggest books, periodicals, even ftp sites for a
novice who is interested in the space program.
Todd Giaquinto
maverick@wpi.WPI.EDU
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From: noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring)
Subject: Re: Good Grief! (was Re: Candida Albicans: what is it?)
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Lines: 26
In article romdas@uclink.berkeley.edu (Ella I Baff) writes:
> >If anybody, doctors included, said to me to my face that there is no
> >evidence of the 'yeast connection', I cannot guarantee their safety.
> >For their incompetence, ripping off their lips is justified as far as
> >I am concerned.
>
>This doesn't sound like Candida Albicans to me.
No, just a little anger. Normally I don't rip people's lips off, except
when my candida has overcolonized and I become: "Fungus Man"! :^)
Jon
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Who are you? Read alt.psychology.personality! That's where the action is.
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From: ray@unisql.UUCP (Ray Shea)
Subject: Re: What is it with Cats and Dogs ???!
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA
Lines: 17
In article <1993Apr14.200933.15362@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> jimbes@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (james.bessette) writes:
>In article <6130328@hplsla.hp.com> kens@hplsla.hp.com (Ken Snyder) writes:
>>ps. I also heard from a dog breeder that the chains of bicycles and
>>motorcycles produced high frequency squeaks that dogs loved to chase.
>
>Ask the breeder why they also chase BMWs also.
Squeaky BMW riders.
--
Ray Shea "they wound like a very effective method."
UniSQL, Inc. --Leah
unisql!ray@cs.utexas.edu some days i miss d. boon real bad.
DoD #0372 : Team Twinkie : '88 Hawk GT
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From: carols@ohsu.edu (Carol Suelzle)
Subject: re: Help with WinQVT
Article-I.D.: ohsu.1993Apr15.164424.465
Organization: Oregon Health Sciences University
Lines: 17
Nntp-Posting-Host: 137.53.130.7
>This is the qvthost.rc file.
>137.112.5.2
>137.112.199.50
>
>
>
The host file requires the names that you'll be using in addition to the ip address
sucb as
100.0.0.1 name.server.name
100.2.2.1 name.router.name
Carols@ohsu.edu
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From: etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se (Staffan Axelsson)
Subject: Re: WC 93: Results, April 18
Organization: Ericsson Telecom, Stockholm, Sweden
Lines: 72
Nntp-Posting-Host: uipc104.ericsson.se
dstein@oak.math.ucla.edu (David Stein) writes:
> What's going on? The Russians and the Czechs are unable to beat easy
>opponents, and the Swedes beat Austria only 1:0?!?
>
It's the "opening-game effect" maybe. Pros arrive late, nervousness for
rookie WC players, and problems to get the lines clicking may make things
hard to get it going against these "worse" nations.
I'd guess that the better team you face in the opening game, the better
it is, since the chances of an upset are greater then.
Some other reasons why the "worse" teams are so tough to beat was presented
by Hans "Virus" Lindberg (former coach in Switzerland).
1) The "worse" teams (referring to France, Switzerland, Austria, Italy etc)
have now usually world class goalies.
2) Their defensive play have become much more disciplined, they take much
less unnecessary penalties.
3) They use four lines which makes it harder to make them "run out of gas."
4) The ice quality in the German WC rinks is poor.
> The only convincing winner was... Germany. Wierd.
>
Another weird thing was that the Czechs played entertaining hockey..
err.. just kidding, David.
>p.s. Alex, I would like to see the Czech roster, including, if possible,
>the clubs from which the players come. How many are "Finnish", "German",
>or "Swiss"?
>
Alex? That's a new name for me ;)
OK, I forgot the Czech roster at home yesterday, but now I have it.
I don't know the teams for all players, so I would appreciate if
you guys could fill in the blanks for me (especially I think some
of these players play in Finland).
The Czech Republic
------------------
Goaltenders: 1. Petr Briza (Finland somewhere, right?)
2. Roman Turek Motor C. Budejovice
Defense: 3. Leo Gudas ?
4. Milos Holan TJ Vitkovice
5. Drahomir Kadlec ?
6. Bedrich Scerban Brynas, Sweden
7. Antonin Stavjana HV 71, Sweden
8. Miroslav Horava MoDo, Sweden
9. Ales Flasar TJ Vitkovice
Forwards: 10. Petr Rosol ?
12. Kamil Kastak HV 71, Sweden
13. Richard Zemlicka ?
14. Jiri Kucera ?
16. Jan Caloun HC Litvinov
18. Petr Hrbek ?
19. Tomas Kapusta ?
20. Otakar Janecky (Finland?)
21. Roman Horak Motor C. Budejovice
22. Martin Hostak MoDo, Sweden
24. Radek Toupal ?
26. Jiri Dolezal ?
Staffan
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\\ //|| etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se
\\_))//-|| r.s.h. contact for Swedish hockey
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From: dleonar@andy.bgsu.edu (Pixie)
Subject: Re: The arrogance of Christians
Organization: Hell
Lines: 35
In article <Apr.7.01.55.50.1993.22771@athos.rutgers.edu>,
vbv@r2d2.eeap.cwru.edu (Virgilio (Dean) B. Velasco Jr.) wrote:
>
> "We affirm the absolutes of Scripture, not because we are arrogant
> moralists, but because we believe in God who is truth, who has revealed His
> truth in His Word, and therefore we hold as precious the strategic importance
> of those absolutes."
Pardon me, a humble atheist, but exactly what is the difference
between holding a revealed truth with blind faith as its basis (i.e.
regardless of any evidence that you may find to the contrary) as an
absolute truth, fully expecting people to believe you and arrogance?
They sound like one and the same to me.
And nearly every time I meet a christian (or for that matter, any
other theist) who tries to convert me, I find this proven over and over
again.
I see no wisdom whatsoever in your words
Unfaithfully yours,
Pixie
p.s. If you do sincerely believe that a god exists, why do you follow
it blindly?
Do the words "Question Authority" mean anything to you?
I defy any theist to reply.
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From: lusky@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jonathan R. Lusky)
Subject: Kawasaki ZX-6 engine needed
Reply-To: lusky@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jonathan R. Lusky)
Distribution: usa
Organization: UT SAE / Longhorn Racing Team
Lines: 14
Originator: lusky@sylvester.cc.utexas.edu
I'm looking for a 1990-91 Kawasaki ZX-6 engine. Just the engine,
no intake, exhaust, ignition, etc. Preferably in the central texas
area, but we haven't had much luck around here so we'll take whatever we
can get. Please reply via mail or call (512) 471-5399 if you have one
(or more... really need a spare).
Thanx
--
--=< Jonathan Lusky ----- lusky@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu >=--
\ "Turbos are nice, but I'd rather be blown!" /
\ 89 Jeep Wrangler - 258/for sale! /
\ 79 Rx-7 - 12A/Holley 4bbl /
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From: steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks)
Subject: Re: Just what is in the Jobs/Pork bill?
Summary: Answer: Local communities decide what to do with block grants
Distribution: usa
Organization: Just a Boomer, Inc.
Lines: 73
Nntp-Posting-Host: thor.isc-br.com
In article <C5L5uM.IsF@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM> mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) writes:
>This was in Wed. WSJ.
>
>[start]
>The white house, seeking to mount public pressure on GOP senators, bombarded
>news outlets in some senator's home states with news releases warning that
>certain projects may not be funded if the $16billion stimulus bill isn't
>passed.
>
>None of the projects mentioned are actually in the bill, rather they are
>part of a wish list that may be funded from the $2.56 billion in
>Community Development Block Grants.
>
>...
>
>[end]
>
>I could have sworn I heard a bunch of Clintonites going on and on, raving
>about how dishonest it was that the Rebublicans were taking items from this
>wish list in order to ridicule this bill. Now that Clinton is using that
>same list in order to garner support for the bill, are you guys going to
>do the honorable thing and say that Clinton is being dishonest.
As one of the "Clintonites" cited above, I'll try to clarify since this
is not a case of Clinton's "dishonesty." (I won't necessarily defend him
on other issues.)
There were NEVER any specific projects included in the Community
Development Block Grant portion of the President's proposal. Congressional
Republicans, in an effort to discredit the stimulus package, selected what
they felt were silly sounding projects from a wish-list of POTENTIAL
projects prepared by the US Mayors' Conference before the stimulus package
was ever proposed. (The document in question was designed to pressure the
White House to increase the size of the block grant proposal submitted
to Congress. It didn't work.)
The $2.56(?) billion proposed in the stimulus package came nowhere close
to covering the total estimated cost of the original wish-list. If it
were passed, communities would have to select which projects to fund and
at what level.
In the case of Spokane, Wa., Tom Foley's home district, no one ever
expected to be able to refurbish a local swimming pool (one of the
Republicans' examples) FROM THE FUNDS AVAILABLE IN THE STIMULUS
PACKAGE since the estimated cost of doing so exceeded the total
amount of block grant funds the city would receive from the stimulus
package for ALL projects.
The plan, instead, was to use the money on public housing construction
and remodeling to cope with a severe housing shortage. (Yup, there are
places where that is true.) The swimming pool improvements were near the
bottom of a long list of priorities prepared by the city. The $3 million
or so to be received would cover only a few of the most pressing
priorities.
If the block grants are cut from the stimulus package, it is these projects
that will be affected by the lack of funds. And that is why the Clinton
administration has been publicizing the issue.
A final point. One may or may not like community block grants. It is
worth noting, however, that Congressional Republicans' opposition to them
is new. Since the Nixon administration, Republicans have generally
supported such grants as an alternative to targeted federal spending,
arguing that local governments are far better able to determine spending
priorities than "Washington bureaucrats."
Is it clear now? Or is this all too complicated to understand?
jsh
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the bulls**t." - R. Hofferbert | Ma Bell: 509 838-8826
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From: vbv@r2d2.eeap.cwru.edu (Virgilio (Dean) B. Velasco Jr.)
Subject: Re: The arrogance of Christians
Organization: Case Western Reserve Univ. Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
Lines: 56
In article <Apr.10.05.32.29.1993.14388@athos.rutgers.edu> caralv@caralv.auto-trol.com (Carol Alvin) writes:
>vbv@r2d2.eeap.cwru.edu (Virgilio (Dean) B. Velasco Jr.) writes:
>
>No, IMO, Mr. Stowell missed the point.
>
>> "We affirm the absolutes of Scripture, not because we are arrogant
>> moralists, but because we believe in God who is truth, who has revealed His
>> truth in His Word, and therefore we hold as precious the strategic importance
>> of those absolutes."
>
>Mr. Stowell seems to have jumped rather strangely from truth to absolutes.
>I don't see how that necessarily follows.
>
>Are all truths also absolutes?
>Is all of scripture truths (and therefore absolutes)?
>
>If the answer to either of these questions is no, then perhaps you can
>explain to me how you determine which parts of Scripture are truths, and
>which truths are absolutes.
The answer to both questions is yes.
All Scripture is true, being inspired by God. The evidence for this
claim has been discussed ad nauseum in this group.
Similarly, all truth is absolute. Indeed, a non-absolute truth is a
contradiction in terms. When is something absolute? When it is always
true. Obviously, if a "truth" is not always "true" then we have a
contradiction in terms.
Many people claim that there are no absolutes in the world. Such a
statement is terribly self-contradictory. Let me put it to you this
way. If there are no absolutes, shouldn't we conclude that the statement,
"There are no absolutes" is not absolutely true? Obviously, we have a
contradiction here.
This is just one of the reasons why Christians defy the world by claiming
that there are indeed absolutes in the universe.
>There is hardly consensus, even in evangelical
>Christianity (not to mention the rest of Christianity) regarding
>Biblical interpretation.
So? People sometimes disagree about what is true. This does not negate
the fact, however, that there are still absolutes in the universe. Moreover,
evangelical Christianity, at least, still professes to believe in certain
truths. Man is sinful, man needs salvation, and Jesus is the propitiation
for mankind's sins, to name a few. Any group that does not profess to
believe these statements cannot be accurately called evangelical.
--
Virgilio "Dean" Velasco Jr, Department of Electrical Eng'g and Applied Physics
CWRU graduate student, roboticist-in-training and Q wannabee
"Bullwinkle, that man's intimidating a referee!" | My boss is a
"Not very well. He doesn't look like one at all!" | Jewish carpenter.
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From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger)
Subject: Re: Yet more Rushdie [Re: ISLAMIC LAW]
Organization: Boston University Physics Department
Lines: 23
In article <1993Apr10.124753.25195@bradford.ac.uk> L.Newnham@bradford.ac.uk (Leonard Newnham) writes:
>Gregg Jaeger (jaeger@buphy.bu.edu) wrote:
>>Well, it seemed slightly incongruous to find the Union Jack flying
>>at City Hall in Belfast.
>May I ask why? It's there not because the British want it there (NI
>is just one big expensive problem), it's there because that is
>what the majority of the population of NI want. Is there some
>problem with that?
The majority of those who can open their mouths in public perhaps.
There seems quite alot of incentive for the British to have control
of NI, like using the North Channel and Irish Sea as a waste dump (I was
appalled at the dumping I saw in the harbor in Belfast). It is my
understanding that quite alot of radioactivity enters the water --
it'd be quite a problem if NI got its independence from Britain and
then stopped accepting the waste. Are you suggesting that British
industry isn't making profit off the situation as well?
Gregg
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From: forman@ide.com (Bonnie Forman)
Subject: Mac Classic II
Originator: forman@owl
Organization: Interactive Development Environments, SF
Lines: 13
Mac Classic 2 4/40 for sale
1 year old, excellent condition
Includes dustcovers, freeware/shareware (including many fonts )
$800.00
email or call 510/947-6987 (SF Bay Area)
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From: d88-jwa@hemul.nada.kth.se (Jon Wätte)
Subject: Re: Why the drive speeds differ??
Keywords: Quantum, LPS, speed
Nntp-Posting-Host: hemul.nada.kth.se
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
Lines: 19
In <C5r70z.4GB@zimmer.CSUFresno.EDU> mmatteo@mondrian.CSUFresno.EDU (Marc Matteo) writes:
>I just got a La Cie 240 meg external hard drive. Speed tests show that it's
>substantially faster that my internal 105 meg Quantum HD. Supposedly the 105
>and the 240 (both LPS drives) are roughly rated the same speed. Why such a
>large difference?
Could be better caching on the disk.
Could be faster coil for seeks.
Could be that the disk spins faster so data transfers faster.
Could be that data is packed tighter so it transfers faster.
Could be a faster SCSI command decoder in the drive.
Among other things...
--
-- Jon W{tte, h+@nada.kth.se, Mac Hacker Deluxe --
Engineering: "How will this work?" Science: "Why will this work?" Management:
"When will this work?" Liberal Arts: "Do you want fries with that?"
-- Jesse N. Schell
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From: hoover@mathematik.uni-bielefeld.de (Uwe Schuerkamp)
Subject: Re: Vandalizing the sky.
Nntp-Posting-Host: math30.mathematik.uni-bielefeld.de
Organization: Math Madhouse Bielefeld, Germany
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In article <C5t05K.DB6@research.canon.oz.au> enzo@research.canon.oz.au
(Enzo Liguori) writes:
> hideous vision of the future. Observers were
>startled this spring when a NASA launch vehicle arrived at the
>pad with "SCHWARZENEGGER" painted in huge block letters on the
This is ok in my opinion as long as the stuff *returns to earth*.
>What do you think of this revolting and hideous attempt to vandalize
>the night sky? It is not even April 1 anymore.
If this turns out to be true, it's time to get seriously active in
terrorism. This is unbelievable! Who do those people think they are,
selling every bit that promises to make money? I guess we really
deserve being wiped out by uv radiation, folks. "Stupidity wins". I
guess that's true, and if only by pure numbers.
Another depressed planetary citizen,
hoover
--
Uwe "Hoover" Schuerkamp hoover@mathematik.uni-bielefeld.de
Clear Skies --- Fight light pollution!
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From: callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison)
Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time
Distribution: na
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Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA
Lines: 42
In article <24485@drutx.ATT.COM> klf@druwa.ATT.COM (FranklinKL) writes:
>In article <C5HHGM.1rM@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu>, callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) writes:
>| In article <1993Apr13.215605.26252@slcs.slb.com> dcd@se.houston.geoquest.slb.com (Dan Day) writes:
>| >In article <1q4466INNb85@ctron-news.ctron.com> smith@ctron.com writes:
>| >>
>| >>It's a big aftermarket business. Almost no cars come from the factory with
>| >>vynal any more, and any fake "convertible" job _definitely_ came from some
>| >>aftermarket place. What amazes me is how much people are willing to pay for
>| >>bad taste
>| >
>| >How about those really ugly fake wheel compartments stuck onto the
>| >trunk or side (or both sides!) of some tacky luxury cars?
>|
>| Some of 'em aren't fake (if you're talking about the Continental kit,
>| named after the Lincoln Continental, the first car to sport one). I
>| personally would _love_ to have a '56 T-Bird with a Continental kit
>| (and the supercharged V-8 :-); that is one of the most beautiful
>| cars ever built, IMHO.
>|
>| James
>|
>
>The Continental may have been the first "modern era" auto to mount the
>spare on the rear of the car but it was hardly the first car to sport one.
>Various mounting techniques for rear mounting the spare were quite common
>in early automobiles, both US and Foreign.
The 1941 Lincoln Continental was the first car to sport the "continental
kit." The continental kit is not to be confused with ye olde outside
mounting bracket; a continental kit is a very specific ornament/storage
compartment. (The 1941 Continental has a neat trunk; it looks rather
like a laundry hamper, IMHO. :-)
James
James P. Callison Microcomputer Coordinator, U of Oklahoma Law Center
Callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu /\ Callison@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu
DISCLAIMER: I'm not an engineer, but I play one at work...
The forecast calls for Thunder...'89 T-Bird SC
"It's a hell of a thing, killing a man. You take away all he has
and all he's ever gonna have."
--Will Munny, "Unforgiven"
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From: cgordon@vpnet.chi.il.us (gordon hlavenka)
Subject: Re: making copy of a Video tape
Keywords: video
Organization: Vpnet Public Access
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>There are devices you can buy and/or make. Look in Radio & Popular
>Electronics mags for the devices. If all else fails, you can build one
>using the curcuit design from the Dec. '87 issue of Radio Electronics.
My very favorite ad for such a device is on the back of the latest
Damark catalog. Quoting from memory:
[Big flashy type]
"Dual deck VCR copies any tape -- Even those that are copy protected!*"
(And underneath the ad in very small print: *This device is not intended
for making illegal copies of copyrighted material.)
:-)
--
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Gordon S. Hlavenka cgordon@vpnet.chi.il.us
Vote straight ticket Procrastination party Dec. 3rd!
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From: craigb@rs6312.ecs.rpi.edu (Brian Craig)
Subject: Polk S4 's forsale
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Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Distribution: misc.forsale
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Pair of Polk S4 for sale
Brand New never opened
$220.00
craigb@rpi.edu
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From: smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin)
Subject: Clipper -- some new thoughts
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Lines: 55
I'd *desparately* prefer it if we didn't rehash the same arguments
that went on ad infinitum last time. That's especially true for
sci.crypt. For that matter, I've created alt.privacy.clipper, since
the traffic is appearing in *many* different groups right now.
I'm going to focus here on some technical aspects of the plan, hence my
followup to sci.crypt. Frankly, if you're not an absolutist, your
feelings may turn on some of these issues. For example -- with an
80-bit key, simply splitting it into two 40-bit pieces is much less
acceptable than other schemes, because it means that if just one
repository is, shall we say, overly pliable, a would-be eavesdropper
would need to recover just 40 more bits of key. I need not point out
in this newsgroup that that's pretty easy to do by exhaustive search.
A slightly more complex scheme -- XOR-ing the key with a random number,
and then with its complement -- would produce two 80-bit subkeys,
neither of which is useful alone. That variant is much more resistant
to attack. Clearly, one can get even more sophisticated, to protect
the subkeys even more.
Other thoughts... Some people have noted the size and complexity of
the databases necessary. But the id strings the phones emit could be
their back door key, double-encrypted with the escrow repositories'
public keys. For that matter, they could do that only with session
keys, and have no back door at all. In that case, the FBI would have
to bring every intercept to the repositories to be decrypted. This
would answer many of the objections along the lines of ``how do you
make sure they stop''.
We can even combine that with a variant of the digital telephony back
door -- have the switch do the tap, but with a digitally-signed record
of the time, phone number, etc, of the call. That provides proof to
the escrow agents that the tap was done in compliance with the terms of
the warrant.
I can suggest other variations, too. Suppose each Clipper chip had 100
public key pairs. Each would be used ~10 times, after which you'd need
more keying material. (Not a bad idea in any event.) This could be
used to enforce time limits, or rather, usage limits, on each warrant;
the keys the repository agents would deliver wouldn't last for very
long.
I suspect that the cryptographic algorithm itself is secure. Apart from
the obvious -- why push a weak algorithm when you've already got the
back door? -- I think that the government is still genuinely concerned
about foreign espionage, especially aimed at commercial targets. This
scheme lets the spooks have their cake and eat it, too. (I've heard
rumors, over the years, that some factions within NSA were unhappy with
DES because it was too good. Not that they couldn't crack it, but it
was much too expensive to do so as easily as they'd want.) They're keeping
the details secret so that others don't build their own implementations
without the back door.
The cryptographic protocol, though, is another matter. I see no valid
reasons for keeping it secret, and -- as I hope I've shown above -- there
are a lot of ways to do things that aren't (quite) as bad.
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From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Brian V. Hughes)
Subject: Re: Why does Apple give us a confusing message?
Reply-To: hades@Dartmouth.Edu
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
Disclaimer: Personally, I really don't care who you think I speak for.
Moderator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info
Lines: 56
ubs@carson.u.washington.edu (University Bookstore) writes:
>bunt0003@student.tc.umn.edu (Monthian Buntan-1) writes:
>>
>>
>>Does anyone know why Apple has an ambiguous message for C650 regarding
>>fpu? In all Mac price lists I've seen, every C650 has the message "fpu:
>>optional". I know from what we've discussed in this newsgroup that all
>>C650 have the fpu built in except the 4/80 configuration. Why would
>>they be so unclear about this issue in their price list?
I think this is mostly the fault of the people who write up the
literature and price lists being confused themselves. Since there are
two possible processor configurations and one of the them doesn't have
an FPU it does seem to be an option, even though it really isn't.
>>I'm planning to buy the C650 8/230/cd pretty soon, but I'm now getting
>>confused with whether it comes with fpu or not.
Well, then allow me to end your confusion. The C650 ONLY come with
an LC040 in the base 4/80 configuration. If you are not getting this
configuration then you are getting an FPU.
>>Why say "optional" if it's built in?
Good question. I have been wondering that since Feb. 10th.
>If you get the Centris 650 with CD configuration, you are getting a Mac with
>a 68RC040 processor that has built-in math coprocessor support. My
>understanding is that the "optional fpu" refers to your option of purchasing
>the Centris 650 4/80 without FPU OR one of the other configurations WITH FPU.
This is possible, but an option is something that you are supposed
to be able to request when you want it. What Apple has done is given the
buyer a CHOICE between configurations and not an OPTION.
>Apple does not offer an upgrade from the non-FPU system to become an FPU
>system. And, it is unclear whether the '040 processor on the non-FPU system
>(a 68LC040) can be replaced with a 68RC040 supplied by another vendor.
This is not unclear at all. In fact Apple has included in the ROMs
of those machines with LC040s code to recognize the presence of the full
040's FPU and use it. Thereby making the upgrade as easy as switching
chips. You pop the LC040 out and pop in a full '040.
>Apple did send a memo out at one point sating that the Centris 610, which ONLY
>comes with a non-FPU 68LC040 processor CANNOT be upgraded to support an FPU -
>the pin configurations of the two chips apparently do not match so you cannot
>swap one for another (again, according to Apple's memo).
They did? I think I would double-check this. It has been stated
countless times in this newsgroup by two of the Centris hardware
designers that the LC040 and the full '040 are pin compatible and that
the C610 can be upgraded to a full '040.
-Hades
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From: dcb@wdl1.wdl.loral.com (David C Blume)
Subject: Cannot move data fast enough!?
Summary: disk -> buffer -> network card
Keywords: NuBus, SCSI, disk, throughput
Organization: Gokuraku Videos
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I want to achieve an overall throughput rate of around 5 megabytes / sec
for very large data transfers. (Around 5 MB.)
I have a Quadra 950.
I have a NuBus network card that can pump data in to mac memory at 8.5 MB/s.
(using block-mode transfers)
I have a high-speed disk array (no asynchronous PB calls) that can
achieve 6.8 MB/s.
Let's say all transfers go from disk to buffer to network card.
It is not enough to first transfer all the data from the disk to buffer,
then transfer all the data from the buffer to card. (6.8 MB/s then 8.5 MB/s
result in an overall 3.8 MB/s. Too slow!)
So I tried the following scheme: For an n-megabyte transfer,
Step 1: Load the 1st MB from disk to buffer.
Step 2: Asynch send 1st MB out card, Load the 2nd MB from disk to buffer.
Step 3: Asynch send 2nd MB out card, Load the 3rd MB from disk to buffer.
...
Step n: Asynch send the n-1 MB out card, Load the nth MB from disk to buffer.
Step n+1: Send the nth MB out card.
Even though the code apparently does execute the card transfer asynchronously,
and the card does not use the Mac cpu at all, (It is using the buffer, tho')
each of the steps 2 through n take as long as if the two transfers were
executed one after another. So there is no improvement in the rate.
Why?
Is the mac RAM dual-port? (So the NuBus card and the disk driver can both
access data at the same time.)
Is the problem that the two devices, card and disk driver, both have to use
the same bus to mac RAM?
Is there anything I can do?
--David
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| David Blume | "I get tired thinking of all the things I |
| dcb@wdl1.wdl.loral.com | don't want to do." --Bukowski, _Barfly_ |
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From: fiddler@concertina.Eng.Sun.COM (steve hix)
Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!!
Organization: Sun
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NNTP-Posting-Host: concertina
In article <C5sv88.HJy@news.cso.uiuc.edu> irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine) writes:
>In article <1r1j3n$4t@transfer.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes:
>>In article <1r19tp$5em@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, mfrhein@wpi.WPI.EDU (Michael Frederick Rhein) writes:
>>
>>> >napalm, then let the wood stove inside ignite it.
>>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>> As someone else has pointed out, why would the stove be in use on a warm day
>>> in Texas.
>>
>>Do YOU eat all your food cold?
>
>Ever hear of electric ovens or microwaves? Very popular.
>Electric stoves outside metro-areas especially.
Brent, the Feds turned off the BD's electricity a couple of weeks ago...
Perhaps you haven't been paying attention to the radio, TV, or newspapers,
though.
--
-------------------------------------------------------
| Some things are too important not to give away |
| to everybody else and have none left for yourself. |
|------------------------ Dieter the car salesman-----|
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From: gerard@dps.co.UK (Gerard O'Driscoll)
Subject: Re: Asynchronous X Windows?
Organization: The Internet
Lines: 55
NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu
To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu
>> No, it isn't. It is the "X Window System", or "X11", or "X" or any of
>> a number of other designations accepted by the X Consortium. In fact,
>> doing "man X" on pretty much any X11 machine will tell you:
>>
>> The X Consortium requests that the following names be used
>> when referring to this software:
>>
>> X
>> X Window System
>> X Version 11
>> X Window System, Version 11
>> X11
>>
>> There is no such thing as "X Windows" or "X Window", despite the repeated
>> misuse of the forms by the trade rags. This probably tells you something >> about how much to trust the trade rags -- if they can't even get the NAME
>> of the window system right, why should one trust anything else they have
>> to say?
I used to think this way, and not just about X. For example, incorrect
English constructs such as "its raining" or "it's window id" annoy me.
However, there comes a time when popular usage starts to dictate the way
things really are in the world. Indeed, the fact that X won out over NeWS
was really down to popular opinion (I know, we all think it's(!) technically
superior as well!).
On a related topic, who is to say that "color" is more or less correct
than "colour" - being Irish, and hence using English English as opposed
to American English, I always use the latter except, of course, for API
terms such as "XAllocColor" and "colormap".
In a world that uses the term "Windows" to refer to Microsoft Windows,
perhaps the time has come to accept "X Windows" as a valid term for X.
I think that this is a more concise and uncluttered term than, say,
"the X Window System" and, let's face it, almost everyone uses it.
Ultimately, we all need product sales to more than just X-literate
people. In this respect, product recognition is important and a short,
snappy, descriptive title ("X" is positively obscure) will help
when dealing with the average punter (it's sad - I thought I was a
software engineer!). Indeed it is unfortunate that X did not become
popularly known as Windows and let MS worry about whether it should
be called "Microsoft Windows" or "the Microsoft Window System" or
how about just plain "Microsoft"!
To summarise (or should that be "summarize") the point of this message:
I think there are far more pressing issues facing the X community than
worrying about subtle distinctions in the naming of the window system
(or should that be "windowing system"). Whatever gets recognised is
fine by me. I agree that one should be careful in interpreting what
trade papers say. However, I would be reluctant to come to this
conclusion purely on the basis of how they name the X Window System.
Gerard O'Driscoll (gerard.odriscoll@dps.co.uk)
Du Pont Pixel Systems Ltd.
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From: spira@panix.com (Greg "Sarcasm Is A Way Of Life" Spira)
Subject: Re: And America's Team is....But Why?
Organization: Boo!
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In <1qsk9d$dck@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> jdl6@po.CWRU.Edu (Justin D. Lowe) writes:
>In a previous article, steinman@me.utoronto.ca (David Steinman) says:
>>cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc) writes:
>>
>>> The defenition of the Underdog is a team that has no talent and comes
>>>out of nowhere to contend. The '69 Mets and '89 Orioles are prime examples,
>>>not the Cubs.
>>
>>Sorry, but it is *virtually* impossible to win a division with "no talent"
>>over 162 games.
>>
>>I would amend your definition to:
>>
>>underdog: a team expected to lose, but which wins thanks to underestimated
>> talent.
>>--
>>Dave!
>>
>OK, the Mets and O's are good examples, but what about the '90 Reds? Do you
>really think that anyone expected them to sweep the A's? I know people who
>didn't even think they'd win a game, let alone win the Series.
These people were very silly. Any team that gets to the World Series
can win the World Series, and anybody who ever expects a sweep is
crazy. If you put the best team in baseball in the Series against
the worst team in baseball, the worst team would win at least a game
most of the time and very well could win the Series, though the odds
would certainly be against them.
Greg
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From: Thomas Dachsel <GERTHD@mvs.sas.com>
Subject: BOOT PROBLEM with IDE controller
Nntp-Posting-Host: sdcmvs.mvs.sas.com
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
Lines: 25
Hi,
I've got a Multi I/O card (IDE controller + serial/parallel
interface) and two floppy drives (5 1/4, 3 1/2) and a
Quantum ProDrive 80AT connected to it.
I was able to format the hard disk, but I could not boot from
it. I can boot from drive A: (which disk drive does not matter)
but if I remove the disk from drive A and press the reset switch,
the LED of drive A: continues to glow, and the hard disk is
not accessed at all.
I guess this must be a problem of either the Multi I/o card
or floppy disk drive settings (jumper configuration?)
Does someone have any hint what could be the reason for it.
Please reply by email to GERTHD@MVS.SAS.COM
Thanks,
Thomas
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From: nash@biologysx.lan.nrc.ca (John Nash)
Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition?
Nntp-Posting-Host: 132.246.164.10
Organization: National Research Council of Canada
Lines: 39
In article <1993Apr15.135941.16105@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> dougb@comm.mot.com (Doug Bank) writes:
>From: dougb@comm.mot.com (Doug Bank)
>Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition?
>Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1993 13:59:41 GMT
>In article <1993Apr14.122647.16364@tms390.micro.ti.com>, david@tms390.micro.ti.com (David Thomas) writes:
[lots of editing out of previuos posts]
>Here is another anecdotal story. I am a picky eater and never wanted to
>try chinese food, however, I finally tried some in order to please a
>girl I was seeing at the time. I had never heard of Chinese restaurant
>syndrome. A group of us went to the restaurant and all shared 6 different
>dishes. It didn't taste great, but I decided it wasn't so bad. We went
>home and went to bed early. I woke up at 2 AM and puked my guts outs.
>I threw up for so long that (I'm not kidding) I pulled a muscle in
>my tongue. Dry heaves and everything. No one else got sick, and I'm
>not allergic to anything that I know of.
>Suffice to say that I wont go into a chinese restaurant unless I am
>physically threatened. The smell of the food makes me ill (and that *is*
>a psycholgical reaction). When I have been dragged in to suffer
>through beef and broccoli without any sauces, I insist on no MSG.
>I haven't gotten sick yet.
Funny about that... my wife (my girlfriend at the time) used to get sick
after eating certain foods at various Asian restaurants, and never knew
why. She'd go pale, and sweaty and then vomit copiously. A couple of us
ventured a connection with MSG, and her response was: "MSG? What's that?".
It also happened when she pigged out on some brands of savoury crackers and
chips... which I noticed (later) had MSG on the label. Don't know about
double blinds, but avoiding MSG has stopped her being sick at restaurants.
cheers, John
John Nash | Email: Nash@biologysx.lan.nrc.ca.
Institute for Biological Sciences, | National Research Council of Canada,
Cell Physiology Group. | Ottawa, Ontario, Canada.
*** Disclaimer: All opinions are mine, not NRC's! ***
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From: smartin@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (steven.c.martin)
Subject: Re: Car buying story, was: Christ, another dealer service scam...
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Lines: 36
From article <1993Apr16.162950.25849@newsgate.sps.mot.com>, by markm@bigfoot.sps.mot.com (Mark Monninger):
> This kind of behavior is what I was shocked by in my 'experience'. For
> crying out loud, how do these turkeys think they can talk to customers
> this way and still stay in business? Again, I don't expect sales people to
> bow, scrape, and grovel in my presence but I sure don't expect to be
> abused either. I was very surprised by the way the sales people talked to
> me and in other 'negotiating' sessions I overheard in neighboring sales
> cubicles. Evidently, their success rate is high enough that they continue
> to do business this way. There must be a lot of people out there who are
> easy to intimidate.
>
A couple of months ago I went to a dealership to test drive a car. Afterwards,
we sat down to discuss prices. I explained that I wanted a car just like the
one I drove, but in a different color. He said he could get one exactly like
I wanted from the dealer network within a day. We then negotiated a price and
signed the deal.
Next day, I get a call. He explains that they goofed, and they had neglected
to take into account a price increase. (The last price increase had occurred
over 4 months prior to my visit.) If I still wanted the car, I would
have to fork over another $700. As an alternative, they would honor the
price if I bought the car I test drove (which had been sitting around for
6 months and had a few miles on it). I said goodbye. This was a good
example of how they can lowball you and still cover their butts. It's too
bad more people don't demand honesty or these types of dealers would
no longer be in business.
The next dealership I went to was straightforward and honest. First thing the
salesman said was, "Lets's see what you have for dealer cost and work out
how much profit I should make." The deal went through with no problems.
Steve
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From: rboudrie@wpi.WPI.EDU (Robert A. Boudrie)
Subject: Re: Some more about gun control...
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Lines: 249
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu
In article <1993Apr16.010235.14225@mtu.edu> cescript@mtu.edu (Charles Scripter) writes:
>In article <C5Bu9M.2K7@ulowell.ulowell.edu>
>jrutledg@cs.ulowell.edu (John Lawrence Rutledge) wrote:
>
>> In article <1q96tpINNpcn@gap.caltech.edu> arc@cco.caltech.edu
>> (Aaron Ray Clements) writes:
>> >The Second Amendment is a guarantee of the right to bear arms. Clearly
>> >and unequivocally, without infringement.
>
>> Unfortunately the Second Amendment is not as clear as you state. If last
>> part of it is taken along, it follows what you have said. The problem
>> I have is with the first part of the single sentence which makes up the
>> amendment. The Second Amendment is:
>
>> A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security
> ^^^^^^^ Militia
>
>> of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear
> ^^^^^ State
>
>> arms, shall not be infringed.
> ^^^^ Arms
>
>You didn't even get the capitalization correct! Try reading USCA on
>the Constitution, or get any other CORRECT version of the
>Constitution.
>
>> This mention of a well regulated militia is what confuses me. According
>> to the Federalist Paper's, a well regulated militia has a well defined
>> structure and follows nationally uniform regulations.
>
>Perhaps you should actually READ the Federalist Papers!!
>
> James Madison, Federalist Paper 46: "Besides the advantage of
> being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost
> every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to
> which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers
> are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of
> ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government
> of any form can admit of. Notwithstanding the military
> establishments in the several kingdoms of Europe, which are
> carried as far as the public resources will bear, the governments
> are afraid to trust the people with arms."
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> James Madison, I Annals of Congress 434, 8 June 1789: "The right
> of the people to keep and bear... arms shall not be infringed. A
> well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people,
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free
> country..."
>
> Alexander Hamilton, Federalist Paper 29 (on the organization of
> the militia): "Little more can reasonably be aimed at, with
> respect to the people at large, than to have them properly armed
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> and equipped; and in order to see that this be not neglected, it
> will be necessary to assemble them once or twice in the course of
> a year."
>
> Alexander Hamilton, Federalist Paper 29 (speaking of standing
> armies): "... if circumstances should at any time oblige the
> government to form an army of any magnitude that army can never be
> formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large
> body of citizens, little, if at all, inferior to them in
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^*****
> own rights and those of their fellow-citizens."
> ***^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>But *surely* Hamilton and Madison didn't mean the PEOPLE when they
>said "people", right? That's why the Amendment refers to "the Right
>of the Militia"?... ;-)
>
>> Your average
>> 17-45 year old male does not fall into the definition.
>
>You're right, the Militia consists of ALL able bodied males (and
>probably females under current interpretation).
>
>> Therefore most
>> members of The Militia, the one the every gun advocate refers to, are
>> not members of a well organized militia and therefore are not directly
>
>The Amendment does nor refer to "well organized", it says "well
>regulated". I have some targets you may examine if you wish to check
>how _well regulated_ I am.
>
>> mentioned in the amendment.
>
>> If this amendment wanted to allow every member of The Militia to keep
>> and bear arms, why did it specificly mention a "well organized militia"
>> in the SAME SENTENCE as the right to keep and bear arms?
>
>Correct. That's why the Right is reserved to the People. And that
>was to insure the People could form a "well regulated Militia", not a
>"well organized militia".
>
>> It could be
>> argued that the first part of the sentence is separate from the last
>> part. If so, why was it include in the same atomic unit of written
>
>What do Atomic Units have to do with this argument? Any moron can set
>h_bar = C = 1...
>
>> instead of a separate sentence?
>
>Oh, I see what your question is; Why don't you read the federalist
>Papers?!
>
> James Madison, Federalist Paper 41 (regarding the "General
> Welfare" clause): "Nothing is more natural nor common than first
> to use a general phrase, and then to explain and qualify it by a
> recital of particulars."
>
>But what does Madison know about the grammatical style of the 2nd? He
>only wrote it.
>
>> The amendment also implies that the right to arms has to due with
>> the security of a free state. The Federalist Paper's mention of a
>> well regulated militia gives many examples of how this militia protects
>> the security of a free state. All these examples are actions of a
>> very organized force, not some John Q. Public with a gun.
>
>That's obviously because you've never actually *read* the Federalist
>Papers.
>
>> All that the Second Amendment clearly states to me is that the people's
>> right to form well regulated militias shall not be infringed. That is
>> people have the right to join a well organized militia. This well
>> organized militia will, of course, provide training in how to use arms
>> and in basic military tactics. These training members of the militia
>> can keep and bear the arms.
>
>Can't read, huh? Show me where the document says "well organized
>militia".
>
>> Lastly, reading through the Federalist Paper's on well organized
>> militia it is very clear that many of the reasons for these militias.
>> One reason stated is the protection from a standing army. These days
>> the standing army could easily defeat a group consisting of every
>> 17-45 year old male and female not in the armied forces.
>
>That is *exactly* why EVERY PERSON should be allowed to own *any*
>weapon currently in use in the armed forces.
>
>> Another
>> reason stated for well organized militias is to reduced the need
>> for a standing army. Well, the US Armied Forces have been a standing
>> army for more than half the history of the US.
>
>But the major reason is to protect against that very same army.
>
>> It seems to me the whole reason for the Second Amendment, to give
>> the people protection from the US government by guaranteeing that the
>> people can over through the government if necessary, is a little bit
>> of an anachronism is this day and age. Maybe its time to re-think
>> how this should be done and amend the constitution appropriately.
>
> Abraham Lincoln, First Inaugural Address, March 4, 1861: "This
> country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit
> it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government,
> they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or
> their revolutionary right to dismember it or overthrow it."
>
> Rep. Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts, spoken during floor debate
> over the Second Amendment, I Annals of Congress at 750, 17 August
> 1789: "What, Sir, is the use of a militia? It is to prevent the
> establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty. ...
> Whenever Governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of
> the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order
> to raise an army upon their ruins."
>
>So now we know which category Mr. Rutledge is in; He means to destroy
>our Liberties and Rights.
>
>--
>Charles Scripter * cescript@phy.mtu.edu
>Dept of Physics, Michigan Tech, Houghton, MI 49931
>-------------------------------------------------------------
>"...when all government... in little as in great things, shall be
>drawn to Washington as the centre of all power, it will render
>powerless the checks provided of one government on another and will
>become as venal and oppressive as the government from which we
>separated." Thomas Jefferson, 1821
>> In article <1q96tpINNpcn@gap.caltech.edu> arc@cco.caltech.edu
>> (Aaron Ray Clements) writes:
>> >The Second Amendment is a guarantee of the right to bear arms. Clearly
>> >and unequivocally, without infringement.
>
>> Unfortunately the Second Amendment is not as clear as you state. If last
>> part of it is taken along, it follows what you have said. The problem
>> I have is with the first part of the single sentence which makes up the
>> amendment. The Second Amendment is:
>
>> A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security
> ^^^^^^^ Militia
>
>> of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear
> ^^^^^ State
>
>> arms, shall not be infringed.
> ^^^^ Arms
>
>You didn't even get the capitalization correct! Try reading USCA on
>the Constitution, or get any other CORRECT version of the
>Constitution.
There are several ways in which one can choose to intrepret any
constitutational issue :
(a) Original intent
(b) Subjectively intrepreted accordiong to political whims of the day.
If we use original intent as the basis for intrepreting the constitution,
it is clear that the founding fathers intended that the individual citizen
be allowed to bear arms similar to those used by soldiers of the day.
For references, I cite :
- Federalist papers
- "The Embarassing Second Ammendment", Yale Law Review,
Prof. Stanford Levinson [sorry, I don't have the date handy]
Prof Levinson sought to prove that the 2nd ammendment did not
convey an individual right, but concluded that it did, hence the
"embarassing" in his title.
- Report of the Subcomittee on the Consititution, United States Sendate,
97th Congress, Second Session February 1982.
- U.S. vs. Verguido Urguidez (Supreme court case in recent years).
Although this case did not pertain to firearms, Justice Rhenquist
notes that the term "the people" is a term of art conveying individual
rights, and specifically cited several used, 2nd ammentment included,
in his opinion.
- Title 10, U.S. Code. This states that all males between the ages of
18 & 45 not part of the organized militia, and all female officers of
the national guard are part of the unorganized militia.
Feel free to cite any scholarly and historical references you have to
support your position. I could go on a greater length with my personal
proof by assertion, however, such a technique would carry no more or
less weight that your dubious proofs by assertion.
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From: ankleand@mtl.mit.edu (Andrew Karanicolas)
Subject: Re: IC Packages
Organization: MIT Microsystems Technology Laboratories
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In article <1993Apr16.142715.12613@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> seema@madvlsi.columbia.edu (Seema Varma) writes:
>Getting a custom-made package is too expensive, so
>I am trying to choose between a flatpak and a
>leadless chip carrier. The flatpack would be hard
>to test since it has to be soldered on to the test
>setup and I would spend loads of time soldering
>as I kept changing the test chip. The leadless chip
>carrier sockets also have long lead lines and may
>not work at high speeds.
>
> Does anyone out there have experience/knowledge
>of this field ? I would greatly appreciate help! Any ideas/
>names of companies manufacturing holders/sockets/packages
>would help.
Check with Kyocera America, Inc.
24 Prime Park Way, Suite 150
Natick, MA 01760
They are one of the largest manufacturers of IC packaging in the
world.
It sounds like you would be a good candidate for wafer probing or at
least IC probing to test performance. HP, Cascade Microtech and
Tektronix should be able to help you here. One note, testing at high
frequency accurately can be an *expensive* business.
--
Andrew Karanicolas
MIT Microsystems Technology Laboratory
ankleand@mtl.mit.edu
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From: usun@mcl.ucsb.edu (Sonnie)
Subject: X bitmap -> Postscript
Lines: 10
Hey folks,
on the course to develope a X window application, we encountered
a problem. How could I transform a X window bitmap into a postscript
files ? Is there any library routines or source code I can call to
do the job ?
Thank you in advance.
p.s. Email reply please. I seldom read this newsgroup. =)
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From: nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David Nye)
Subject: Re: Can't Breathe
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire
Lines: 15
[reply to ron.roth@rose.com (ron roth)]
>While you're right that the S vertebrae are attached to each other,
>the sacrum, to my knowledge, *can* be adjusted either directly, or
>by applying pressure on the pubic bone...
Ron, you're an endless source of misinformation! There ARE no sacral
vertebrae. There is a bone called the sacrum at the end of the spine.
It is a single, solid bone except in a few patients who have a
lumbarized S1 as a normal variant. How do you adjust a solid bone,
break it? No, don't tell me, I don't want to know.
David Nye (nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu). Midelfort Clinic, Eau Claire WI
This is patently absurd; but whoever wishes to become a philosopher
must learn not to be frightened by absurdities. -- Bertrand Russell
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From: drt@athena.mit.edu (David R Tucker)
Subject: Re: Question: Jesus alone, Oneness
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Lines: 52
In article <Apr.21.03.26.22.1993.1355@geneva.rutgers.edu>,
Bjorn.B.Larsen@delab.sintef.no (A 369) writes:
|> Can anybody tell me the basic reasons for holding a belief that there
|> is only Jesus? And vice versa: The foundations for the Trinity?
|>
|> Bjorn
I'd love to know how "Jesus only" proponents would answer questions like:
-Who is this "Father" Jesus keeps referring to? Why does He call Himself "the
Son"?
-Why does He pray to the Father, and not to himself?
-Why does He emphasize that he does his Father's will, and not his own? If He
was doing his own will, what kind of example is that? Should we follow it?
-When He says he has to return to the Father, who is He going to?
-When He says he does this in order that the Comforter, the Holy Spirit might
come, who might that be?
-If He claims that the coming of the Holy Spirit is such a blessing that it's
worth His leaving us and returning to the Father, what can that mean if there
is no Holy Spirit?
-Why doesn't the best known Christian prayer begin "Our Saviour, who art in
heaven," rather than "Our Father?"
Do they have answers to these questions that are even plausible?
(Further entertaining queries are left as an exercise to the reader.)
-drt
--
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|David R. Tucker KG2S drt@athena.mit.edu|
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[There may be some misunderstanding over terms here. I believe "Jesus
only" originally was in the context of baptism. These are folks who
believe that baptism should be done with a formula mentioning only
Jesus, rather than Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. This may have
doctrinal implications, but as far as I know it does not mean that
these folks deny the existence or divinity of the Father. I'm not the
right one to describe this theology, and in fact I think there may be
several, including what would classically be called monophysite or
Arian (two rather different views), as well as some who have beliefs
that are probably consistent with Trinitarian standards, but who won't
use Trinitarian language because they misunderstand it or simply
because it is not Biblical. --clh]
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From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer)
Subject: Re: Lincoln & slavery (Re: Top Ten Tricks You Can Play on the American Voter)
Article-I.D.: optilink.15238
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA
Lines: 16
In article <1993Apr2.154232.29527@Princeton.EDU>, glhewitt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Gary Livingston Hewitt) writes:
> In article <1993Apr2.055109.5833@rigel.econ.uga.edu> depken@rigel.econ.uga.edu (Craig Depken) writes:
> [to which is concluded...]
> >The South only wanted FREE TRADE!!!
>
> No, they wanted slavery. If free trade was in their economic interests
> under that regime (which it was), then free trade they wanted too. But
> Gary L Hewitt glhewitt@phoenix.princeton.edu
Of course, free trade and slavery don't make much sense together in
a phrase anyway. Perhaps Mr. Depken meant, "low import tariffs," but
that is quite a bit less than "free trade."
--
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine!
Relations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all.
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From: himb@iniki.soest.hawaii.edu (Liz Camarra)
Subject: Re: Which high-performance VLB video card?
Organization: School of Ocean and Earth Science and Technology
Lines: 35
In article <hcbfp4e@zola.esd.sgi.com> blean@rwb.esd.sgi.com (Bob Blean) writes:
>
>Someone in this group posted a little while back that they were getting an
>Orchid V9000 card -- has that card arrived? What do the benchmarks look
>like?
The one I got only does about 4kb/s in text and 320x200 (VGA/MCGA) mode,
which is almost identical to the other W5186 based cards (ATI 68800
does about 6kb/s). This is weird since the Orchid supposedly should
be much faster (and I was told by someone that it can do almost 16 kb/s),
since the VGA chip is covered by the Orchid label, I can't really tell
for sure if it uses a 5286 chip, but the spec. sheet that comes with
the board (no docs!) did say it has 1 meg dram and uses a 5286 chip.
Winmarks (3.11) is about 4 mil. slower than a Viper (34 vs ~38) using
standard palette.
BTW if anyone is insterested, I'm trying to sell a Diamond Viper (2 megs
vram) for a friend for $300, email if interested (I'm too broke to
take it myself).
>Also, is the AMI P9000-based card real? What does it use for VGA? Speed?
I think it's available in limited quantites. No idea of what VGA
chip it uses though.
Be very careful with OEM P9000 boards though, the Orchid I got
for example only has a readme file on disk that serve as
documentation, and conflicts the hell with my VLB controller
card (or maybe it's my motherboard, an A.I.R. 486 VLB)
+----------------------------------------------------------------+
Stephen Lau, Elec. Engineering, Univ. of Hawaii
*Using a friend's account while waiting for my new grad. account*
+ Death to FM synthesis! Go Gus! +
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From: mps1@cec1.wustl.edu (Mihir Pramod Shah)
Subject: Re: saturn -- puzzled by its pricing
Article-I.D.: wuecl.1993Apr6.074352.15514
Distribution: na
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
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In article <1993Apr1.230642.5207@cbfsb.cb.att.com> ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu) writes:
>
> I am the person who started out this subject.
>
> To me, the question really is not about dealer profit but the
> amount of money for the type of car. I've settled with a
> new 92 Subaru Wagon with the similar amount of money a Saturn
> dealer asked for a SW1. OK, I know it's a 92 model, but I think
> I got a better car (though I have to adjust my initial idea of
> why I am getting a new car).
>
> Today, during a conversion with a friend, I learned he rejected
> a Saturn for a Ford Tarurs; as it only costed him a little bit more
> than a SL2. I may be wrong, but a loaded Tarus beats a Saturn SL2.
I agree that a fully-loaded SL2 would come close in price to a
LOWER-END Ford Taurus. A FULLY-LOADED Taurus, on the other hand, would still
be substantially more expensive than even the most glitzy SL2. A fully loaded
SL2 would run somewhere around $17,000, while a fully loaded Taurus LX would be
somewhere around the $22,000-$23,000 range. A base Taurus (GL I believe) might
start around $15,000. Of course there is the Taurus SHO which can push $30,000
if you really try, but this is a totally different car than your mainstream
Taurus sedan. Your statement was not entirely faulty, just a little
inaccurate.
>
> I can't see Saturn is of better value and that is why I was puzzled
> by its pricings. Oh, we did not spend much time getting our deals;
> being better informed has its advantages.
Well, that's ok. At least you're not bitching about dealer profits like some
of the other netters are. You seem to have rationally picked out the car that
is best for you. The Loyale is an aging design that is about to be replaced by
the Impreza wagon, so you probably got a good deal on one of the last ones.
>
> Then again, I may be wrong.
>
>Yung-Kao Hsu
>
Mihir Shah
mps1@cec1.wustl.edu
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From: jas@ISI.EDU (Jeff Sullivan)
Subject: ADB Mouse II (ergo) -- when?
Organization: USC-ISI
Lines: 11
Distribution: comp
NNTP-Posting-Host: tigger.isi.edu
When is Apple supposed to start bundlign the new ergonomic ADB Mouse
II with all CPUs sold?
jas
--
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jeffrey A. Sullivan | Research Scientist et al.
jas@isi.edu (Internet) | Information Sciences Institute
72511,402 (Compuserve) | University of Southern California
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From: easwarakv@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: CD'S FOR SALE
Lines: 22
Organization: University of Lowell
Th following cd's are for sale. Each cd cost 10$ except otherwise indicated
which includes shipping and handling.
Achtung baby U2 *
Joshua tree U2 **
The immaculate collection Madonna ** $12
Love hurts Cher *
Garth brooks Garth brooks *
Red hot ..chilli peppers.. **
OOOOOHHHHH TLC **
Light and shadows wilson **
* Used only once.
** never used, most of them are still in shrink wraps
Please email to
kGC @ woods.ulowell.edu
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From: mellon@ncd.com (Ted Lemon)
Subject: Re: Shipping a bike
Organization: Network Computing Devices, Inc.
Lines: 14
NNTP-Posting-Host: pepper.ncd.com
In-reply-to: manish@uclink.berkeley.edu's message of 15 Apr 93 20:51:02 GMT
>Can someone recommend how to ship a motorcycle from San Francisco
>to Seattle? And how much might it cost?
I'd recommend that you hop on the back of it and cruise - that's a
really nice ride, if you choose your route with any care at all.
Shouldn't cost more than about $30 in gas, and maybe a night's motel
bill...
_MelloN_
--
mellon@ncd.com uunet!lupine!mellon
Member of the League for Programming Freedom. To find out how software
patents may cost you your right to program, contact lpf@uunet.uu.net
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From: msunde01@mik.uky.edu (Mark Underwood)
Subject: Re: Police radar....Just how does it work??
Nntp-Posting-Host: nx35.mik.uky.edu
Reply-To: msunde01@mik.uky.edu
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Lines: 32
In article <1pqb8aINN9vg@hp-col.col.hp.com> cab@col.hp.com (Chris Best)
writes:
>
> The manual also got into the "cosine effect", wherein the motorist
> always gets the benefit of the doubt (effectively). Depending on
> relative directions of the radar gun and target car, the reading
> will always be THE SAME AS or LOWER THAN the actual speed of the car.
> Never higher.
>
> And always remember that the cop doesn't even need radar to ticket you.
> His (her?) word as a skilled observer is enough.
The father of a friend of mine is a police officer in West Virginia. Not
only is his word as a skilled observer good in court, but his skill as an
observer has been tested to be more accurate than the radar gun in some
cases . . .. No foolin! He can guess a car's speed to within 2-3mph just
by watching it blow by - whether he's standing still or moving too! (Yes,
I realize that calibrated guns are more accurate than this, but . . .).
His ability is not that uncommon among people who watch moving things for a
living, I have heard . . ..
So what good is a radar detector except to give you a split second warning
that the guy who just cut you off to pass the guy ahead and to your left
is about to panic stop from 85 on a crowded freeway???
Mark S. Underwood
EE Student, University of Kentucky
Lab Assistant, Boyd Hall Microlab
(a tiny little division of UK Library Microlabs)
E-Mail: msunde01@mik.uky.edu
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From: bill_paxton@fourd.com
Subject: Argic
Organization: 4th Dimension BBS
Lines: 7
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu
Can you aswer me one question? How did you get to be so retarded?
********************************************************************
System: fourd.com Phone: 617-494-0565
Cute quote: Being a computer means never having to say you're sorry
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From: im14u2c@camelot.bradley.edu (Joe Zbiciak)
Subject: Rockwell Chipset for 14.4's ... Any good?
Nntp-Posting-Host: camelot.bradley.edu
Organization: Bradley University
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I have a quick question regarding the Rockwell Chipset
that's`come out relatively recently--It supports v.32, v.32bis,
v.42, Group III Fax, and so on... However, I heard there
are bugs in the chipset. I know someone that has a ZOOM
14.4 Modem that uses the chipset, and he hasn't had a problem.
What's the word on the chipset? Is this a ROM bug specific
to a specific brand using the Rockwell, or is it the Rockwell
chipset itself? And, if it is the Rockwell chipset, what
are the chances that if I buy one of these modems (using the
Rockwell chipset), that a) the bug will affect me, b) a ROM
change will fix/compensate for the bug?
Please send responses via email...
--Joe Zbiciak
im14u2c@cegt201.bradley.edu / im14u2c@camelot.bradley.edu
--
Joseph Zbiciak im14u2c@camelot.bradley.edu
[====Disclaimer--If you believe any of this, check your head!====]
------------------------------------------------------------------
Nuke the Whales!
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From: edwards@world.std.com (Jonathan Edwards)
Subject: Re: Jeep Grand vs. Toyota 4-Runner
Article-I.D.: world.C51Hn0.2JI
Organization: IntraNet, Inc.
Lines: 18
In article <1pq29p$29p@seven-up.East.Sun.COM> jfox@hooksett.East.Sun.COM writes:
>
>Any reason you are limited to the two mentioned? They aren't really at
>the same point along the SUV spectrum - not to mention price range.
>How about the Explorer, Trooper, Blazer, Montero, and if the budget
>allows, the Land Cruiser?
Any advice on HOW to buy a Land Cruiser? My local Toyota dealer says they
get two a year, and if I want one I can just get on the waiting list.
Forget about a test drive or even kicking the tires.
And if they are that rare, I doubt there is much of a parts inventory on
hand.
--
Jonathan Edwards edwards@intranet.com
IntraNet, Inc 617-527-7020
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From: welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty)
Subject: Re: Saturn's Pricing Policy
Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies
Lines: 20
In article <1993Apr5.230808.581@cs.brown.edu> cs012055@cs.brown.edu (Hok-Chung Tsang) writes:
>Moreover, if Saturn really does reduce the dealer profit margin by $1000,
>then their cars will be even better deals. Say, if the price of a Saturn was
>already $1000 below market average for the class of cars, then after they
>reduce the dealer profit, it would be $2000 below market average. It will:
>1) Attract even more people to buy Saturns because it would SAVE THEM MONEY.
>2) Force the competitors to lower their prices to survive.
but what is Saturn's motivation here? they're already selling every
car they make, with multiple shifts in the plant. given this, what
possible motivation could they have to lower prices?
cheers,
richard
--
richard welty 518-393-7228 welty@cabot.balltown.cma.com
``Nothing good has ever been reported about the full rotation of
a race car about either its pitch or roll axis'' -- Carroll Smith
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From: mfraser@wimsey.bc.ca (Mark Fraser)
Subject: IRQ Limits - Help
Organization: Wimsey Information Services
Distribution: na
Lines: 23
I would like advice on how to configure my 486 to accept:
- Com1 + Com2 (currently on IRQ 4 and 3)
- LPT1 (IRQ7)
- Bus Mouse (IRQ5)
- Sound Card (no idea what to do - can be set to any)
-
using IRQ2 for Bus MOuse gobbled up too many cycles, and caused
loss of communications with floppy disks, and a few other
problems.
I could, I suppose, switch the 2 com devices externally, and disable
the second port on the Super IO card, but I really want to
have them both available.
COuld the sound card use IRQ2 without horsing up the works?
All replies apppreciated - and I only just subscribed to this
newsgroup - I assume there is an FAQ somewhere (rather, I'm
sure someone will tell me about it....)
thanks
Mark Fraser
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From: feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel)
Subject: Government Exlanations for WACO
Organization: DAFCO: OS/2 Software Support & Consulting
Lines: 8
When you have no principles, you can't admit that someone else might,
and everyone who acts differently from what you expect can only be a nutcase.
--
Dave Feustel N9MYI <feustel@netcom.com>
I'm beginning to look forward to reaching the %100 allocation of taxes
to pay for the interest on the national debt. At that point the
federal government will be will go out of business for lack of funds.
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Subject: Re: Why not concentrate on child molesters?
From: quirke_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Organization: Welligton City Council, Public Access.
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cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes:
> the liberal Gov. Wilder vetoed it. Which shows that liberals don't
> give a damn about "best person for the job," it's just a power
> play.
"Women are only interested in clothes and shopping"
"Whites are imperialist colonial fascists"
"Blacks are lazy uneducated scum"
"Men are rapists"
"Homosexuals support child-molesting"
Slogans, my dear Cramer, are not an adequate substitute for thought.
--
Tony Quirke, Wellington, New Zealand. Quirke_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
"Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea -- massive,
difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind-
boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it."--gene spafford,1992
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From: icop@csa.bu.edu (Antonio Pera)
Subject: request for list of Boston Univ. players in NHL
Distribution: na
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
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Originator: icop@csa
Being a proud BU alumnus, I'd like to get a list of BU players in
the NHL so I can keep an eye on their progress. A lot of Terriers are
graduating this year so I hope to see them soon in the NHL. If somebody
could post or send me a list, I'd appreciate it. Please note if the player
graduated from here or not.
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From: frankh@scraps.uucp (Frank Holden KA3UWW)
Subject: Re: What's a good IC for RS232 -> TTL signals??
Organization: None
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In <C57zsC.9FL@news.cso.uiuc.edu> rky57514@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tall Cool One ) writes:
>I'm looking for an IC that will convert RS232 voltage levels to TTL voltage
>levels. Something relatively inexpensive would be nice, too. Anyone have
>a suggestion?? Thanks.
Well it looks as if Digi-Key sells a chip with the number ICL232 that does what
you want. They are selling it for about $3.50...
Hope this helps...
Frank
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From: gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal)
Subject: Re: Off the shelf cheap DES keyseach machine (Was: Re: Corporate acceptance of the wiretap chip)
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: At the company I worked for previously, I received a file that was des encryped
: and the person that had sent it, went on vaction. Rather than wait two weeks
: I set up a straight frontal attack with one key at a time. It only took two(2)
: days to crack the file. No, I don't have any faith in DES.
: A.G.
Fun! Three questions:
1) What hardware did you use?
2) When you found the key, was there anything about it that was special
that meant you had been lucky to find it early? (Like the first 30 bits
all being 0)
3) ... or did you mean a dictionary attack rather than a binary key attack?
G
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From: cdcolvin@rahul.net (Christopher D. Colvin)
Subject: Re: Rosicrucian Order(s) ?!
Nntp-Posting-Host: bolero
Organization: a2i network
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In article <1qvibv$b75@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony
Alicea) writes:
>
>In a previous article, cdcolvin@rahul.net (Christopher D. Colvin) says:
>
>>I worked at AMORC when I was in HS.
>
>OK: So you were a naive teen.
>
>>He [HS Lewis] dates back to the 20's.
>
>Wrong: 1915 and if you do your homework, 1909.
>But he was born LAST century (1883).
>
>>
>>Right now AMORC is embroiled in some internal political turmoil.
>
>No it isn't.
>
>
I guess the San Jose Mercury news is wrong then, and if so, why is the DA
involved?
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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Subject: How many more Muslim people will be slaughtered by 'SDPA' criminals?
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world
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In article <1993Apr18.051439.5942@urartu.sdpa.org> hla@urartu.sdpa.org writes:
>I want this discussion to take place in English, because it is only after
Let's face it, if the words don't get into your noggin in the first place,
there's no hope. Now tell us, 'SDPA.ORG', a mouthpiece of the fascist x-Soviet
Armenian Government: what was your role in the murder of Orhan Gunduz and
Kemal Arikan? How many more Muslims will be slaughtered by 'SDPA.ORG' as
publicly declared and filed with the legal authorities?
"...that more people have to die..."
SDPA <91@urartu.UUCP>
"Yes, I stated this and stand by it."
SDPA <255@urartu.UUCP>
January 28, 1982 - Los Angeles
Kemal Arikan is slaughtered by two Armenians while driving to work.
March 22, 1982 - Cambridge, Massachusetts
Prelude to grisly murder. A gift and import shop belonging to
Orhan Gunduz is blown up. Gunduz receives an ultimatum: Either
he gives up his honorary position or he will be "executed". He
refuses. "Responsibility" is claimed by JCAG and SDPA.
May 4, 1982 - Cambridge, Massachusetts
Orhan Gunduz, the Turkish honorary consul in Boston, would not bow
to the Armenian terrorist ultimatum that he give up his title of
"honorary consul". Now he is attacked and murdered in cold blood.
President Reagan orders an all-out manhunt-to no avail. An eye-
witness who gave a description of the murderer is shot down. He
survives... but falls silent. One of the most revolting "triumphs" in
the senseless, mindless history of Armenian terrorism. Such a murder
brings absolutely nothing - except an ego boost for the murderer
within the Armenian terrorist underworld, which is already wallowing
in self-satisfaction.
Were you involved in the murder of Sarik Ariyak?
December 17, 1980 - Sydney
Two Nazi Armenians massacre Sarik Ariyak and his bodyguard, Engin
Sever. JCAG and SDPA claim responsibility.
Source: Edward K. Boghosian, "Radical Group Hosts Well-Attended Solidarity
Meeting," The Armenian Reporter, May 1, 1986, pp. 1 & 18.
ATHENS, Greece - An array of representatives of Greek political parties,
including the ruling PASOK party, and a host of political groups, both
Armenian and non-Armenian, joined to voice their solidarity with the
Armenian people in their pursuit of their cause and activities of a new
Armenian political force were voiced here on Sunday, April 20 during
the 2nd International Meeting of Solidarity with the Armenian People. And
judging from encouraging messages offered by the representatives of these
political groups and organizations, at least here in Greece, the Armenian
Cause enjoys abundant support from a wide spectrum of the political world.
The International Meeting of Solidarity was sponsored by the Greek branch of
the Armenian Popular Movement, a comparatively new political force headed
by younger generations of Armenians, who openly profess their support of the
armed struggle and of the Armenian Secret Army for the Liberation of Armenia
(ASALA). The organization has branches in various European and Middle Eastern
countries and the United States although some of these branches appear to
have gone through a switch of loyalties because of the split within the ranks
of ASALA...
Voicing the support of PASOK, the ruling party in Greece, to the Armenian
people, was Mr. Charalambidi Michalis, a member of the Central Committee of
the party and the Greek member of the Permanent People's Tribunal...
Explaining the goals and aspirations of the Armenian Popular Movement
was Ara Sarkisian. Significant was the address delivered by Mr. Bassam
Abu-Salim, on behalf of the Popular Front for the movement's continued
support of the Armenians' armed struggle in their pursuit of their cause,
pledging that Palestinian operated and run training camps would always be
open to Armenian youth who need training for such a struggle. Later, Mr.
Abu-Salim, answering a question put to him by this writer, affirmed that
his organization had always trained Armenian members of ASALA and that
this policy will continue. "The doors of our camps are always open to
Armenian freedom fighters," he affirmed.
Among the prominent Greek politicians who attended the conference was the son
of Prime Minister Papandreou, who himself holds a post in the Greek cabinet;
two members of the Cypriot Parliament who had journeyed to Athens for the
specific purpose of attending the international gathering; representatives of
the Christian Democratic party, EDIK Center party, two wings of the Communist
party, representatives of an assortment of labor unions and trade associations,
a number of mayors of Greek towns and cities; two Greek members of the
European Parliament and other members of the Greek Parliament were also among
those who participated in the international conference. Also on hand to follow
the deliberations was the ambassador of Bulgaria in Athens.
More than significant was the large number of messages received by the
organizers, including the following: Palestinian National Revolutionary
Movement, Fatah; Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General
Command; the Central Committee of the Palestinian National Liberation
Movement-Fatah; the Socialist Progressive Party of Lebanon; Arab Socialist
Labor Party; the Kurdistan Democratic Union of Iraq; and numerous other
international groups, all noted for their radical stand in the Israeli-
Palestinian conflict.
SUPPORT FROM ARF-RM
Among messages received from Armenian groups was the Armenian Revolutionary
Federation-Revolutionary Movement, the group that has claimed the abduction
and assassination of key party leaders in Lebanon accused of selling out to
foreign interests and powers. The message clearly gave its support to the
Armenian Popular Movement pledging that the Revolutionary movement will
continue to "reveal the realities, no matter how bitter or tragic they are,"
to expose the anti-Armenian activities of the leaders of the Dashnag "Bureau."
The message was taken as an indication of the link, loose as it may be, that
exists between the dissident Dashnag group and the Armenian Popular Movement,
open supporters of ASALA and armed struggle.
The Armenian Popular Movement has set up its headquarters in a suburb of the
Greek capital, known as Neos Kosmos, where there is a large Armenian presence.
The headquarters are located in a two-story building, which appears to have
turned into a beehive of activity on the part of scores of Armenian youth, who
prefer to give their first names only when invited to introduce themselves...
Now any comment?
#From: vd8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Vedat Dogan)
#Subject: Re:Addressing.....
#Message-ID: <1993Apr8.233029.29094@news.columbia.edu>
In article <1993Apr7.225058.12073@urartu.sdpa.org> dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) writes:
>In article <1993Apr7.030636.7473@news.columbia.edu> vd8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
>(Vedat Dogan) wrote in response to article <1993Mar31.141308.28476@urartu.
>11sdpa.org> dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) writes:
>
>[(*] Source: "Adventures in the Near East, 1918-1922" by A. Rawlinson,
>[(*] Jonathan Cape, 30 Bedford Square, London, 1934 (First published 1923)
>[(*] (287 pages).
>
>[DD] Such a pile of garbage! First off, the above reference was first published
>[DD] in 1924 NOT 1923, and has 353 pages NOT 287! Second, upon checking page
>[DD] 178, we are asked to believe:
>
>[VD] No, Mr.Davidian ...
>
>[VD] It was first published IN 1923 (I have the book on my desk,now!)
>[VD] ********
>
>[VD] and furthermore,the book I have does not have 353 pages either, as you
>[VD] claimed, Mr.Davidian..It has 377 pages..Any question?..
>
>Well, it seems YOUR book has its total page numbers closer to mine than the
n>crap posted by Mr. [(*]!
o boy!
Please, can you tell us why those quotes are "crap"?..because you do not
like them!!!...because they really exist...why?
As I said in my previous posting, those quotes exactly exist in the source
given by Serdar Argic ..
You couldn't reject it...
>
>In addition, the Author's Preface was written on January 15, 1923, BUT THE BOOK
>was published in 1924.
Here we go again..
In the book I have, both the front page and the Author's preface give
the same year: 1923 and 15 January, 1923, respectively!
(Anyone can check it at her/his library,if not, I can send you the copies of
pages, please ask by sct)
I really don't care what year it was first published(1923 or 1924)
What I care about is what the book writes about murders, tortures,et..in
the given quotes by Serdar Argic, and your denial of these quotes..and your
groundless accussations, etc.
>
[...]
>
>[DD] I can provide .gif postings if required to verify my claim!
>
>[VD] what is new?
>
>I will post a .gif file, but I am not going go through the effort to show there
>is some Turkish modified re-publication of the book, like last time!
I claim I have a book in my hand published in 1923(first publication)
and it exactly has the same quoted info as the book published
in 1934(Serdar Argic's Reference) has..You couldn't reject it..but, now you
are avoiding the real issues by twisting around..
Let's see how you lie!..(from 'non-existing' quotes to re-publication)
First you said there was no such a quote in the given reference..You
called Serdar Argic a liar!..
I said to you, NO, MR.Davidian, there exactly existed such a quote...
(I even gave the call number, page numbers..you could't reject it.)
And now, you are lying again and talking about "modified,re-published book"
(without any proof :how, when, where, by whom, etc..)..
(by the way, how is it possible to re-publish the book in 1923 if it was
first published in 1924(your claim).I am sure that you have some 'pretty
well suited theories', as usual)
And I am ready to send the copies of the necessary pages to anybody who
wants to compare the fact and Mr.Davidian's lies...I also give the call number
and page numbers again for the library use, which are:
949.6 R 198
and the page numbers to verify the quotes:218 and 215
>
>It is not possible that [(*]'s text has 287 pages, mine has 353, and yours has
>377!
Now, are you claiming that there can't be such a reference by saying "it is
not possible..." ..If not, what is your point?
Differences in the number of pages?
Mine was published in 1923..Serdar Argic's was in 1934..
No need to use the same book size and the same letter
charachter in both publications,etc, etc.. does it give you an idea!!
The issue was not the number of pages the book has..or the year
first published..
And you tried to hide the whole point..
the point is that both books have the exactly the same quotes about
how moslems are killed, tortured,etc by Armenians..and those quotes given
by Serdar Argic exist!!
It was the issue, wasn't-it?
you were not able to object it...Does it bother you anyway?
You name all these tortures and murders (by Armenians) as a "crap"..
People who think like you are among the main reasons why the World still
has so many "craps" in the 1993.
Any question?
Serdar Argic
'We closed the roads and mountain passes that
might serve as ways of escape for the Turks
and then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
(Ohanus Appressian - 1919)
'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists
a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)
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From: rcs8@po.CWRU.Edu (Robert C. Sprecher)
Subject: Help with SIMM configuration
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Can someone please help me understand the current situation
regarding SIMMS?
I have a IIsi which I will probably keep for another 2 years.
I would like to add more memory, ie go from 5 MB to 17 MB.
I know that I will need 4 x 4MB, 80ns or faster SIMMS.
Which SIMMS, 30 pin or 72 pin?
Would the SIMMS I get today be usable in 2 years with a
newer, more powerful system?
Any insight would be appreciated.
Thanks.
Rob
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rcs8@po.cwru.edu
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From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: re: Its still cold, but...
Organization: University College of Wales, Aberystwyth
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>first ride of the season.
>
One thing is certain, though, its still too cold. After about 40
>minutes, I had to stop and hold my muffler for a while. When I got
>home after a few hours, I kept all my gear on for about a half hour
>in the house. 40F, 100% humidity, no wind protection, and 75mph
>do not mix well.
>
Hell! This is WARM. I retired my fleece from under the Aerostich last
month when the temperature got aboce 40. Try living a couple of years
on the dole, so you cant afford any heating. You put the gear on in
October, abd you take it off again in May. Getting out on the bike
seems like a luxury in comparison cos oyur usuallu going somewhere
warm.
Its all relative.
>
>Happy cold riding.
>
Who are you trying to kid - its the pain that makes it all worthwhile.
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From: rscharfy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ryan C Scharfy)
Subject: Re: New Study Out On Gay Percentage
Nntp-Posting-Host: magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University
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In article <C5LA55.Bwq@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> gsh7w@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU
(Greg Hennessy) writes:
>Clayton Cramer writes:
>#Compared to the table I have already posted from Masters, Johnson,
>#and Kolodny showing male homosexual partners, it is apparent that
>#homosexual men are dramatically more promiscuous than the general
>#male population.
>
>Did you ever consider the selection effect that those who are willing
>to admit to being a member sexual minority (homosexuality) are more
>willing to admit to being a member of another sexual minority (highly
>promiscious)?
>
Oh yeah, and men just haaaaate to brag about "how many woman they've had."
Ryan
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From: jigang@dale.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Jigang Yang)
Subject: icon pixmap problem...
Keywords: icon, motif, openlook
Nntp-Posting-Host: dale.ssc.gov
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
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I have a problem with icon pixmap. My application has to run
under openwindow and motif. I wrote my program in Motif with pixmap and
icons. It runs fine under motif/motif window manager and X11R5/mwm. But
the icon pixmap does not show up under openwin/olwm and X11R5/olwm.
Has anybody got into this kind of problem? Need a clue. An
example which works in both X11R5/motif and openwindow will be great.
--
Jigang Yang, jigang@dale.ssc.gov, jyang@sscvx1.bitnet
2550 Beckleymeade Ave. MS 4011 Tel: 214-708-3498
Dallas, TX 75237 Fax: 214-708-4898
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From: ayim@laplace.uwaterloo.ca (Alfred Yim)
Subject: Re: Blackhawks win!!!
Lines: 15
Organization: University of Waterloo
In article <1993Apr16.140953.5025@vax.cns.muskingum.edu>, jbrown@vax.cns.muskingum.edu writes:
> The Hawks win!! Jermey Roenick scored his 50 th goal and the Hawks put the
> Leafs in their place, the losers column. If the Leafs can not even beat the
> Hawks in a match that had little or no meaning I will hate to see them against
> the Wings.
>
> Oh btw I laugh at rm, that jerky!!!
>
> GO HAWKS!!!
>
> JB
But I gotta tell ya,
If the Hawks can't beat the Blues in a game that
IS significant I can't wait to see how the Blues
might do against Toronto ;)
BTW, if you think that the Hawks deserved to win that game
I think you were not watching the same one everyone else
was.
ROAR'IN LEAF FAN
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* 4B Mathematics (Actuarial Science) *
* University of Waterloo, Canada. *
* E-mail: ayim@descartes.waterloo.edu *
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From: shou@logos.asd.sgi.com (Tom Shou)
Subject: Ford Explorer 4WD - do I need performance axle?
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
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NNTP-Posting-Host: logos.asd.sgi.com
We're considering getting a Ford Explorer XLT with 4WD and we have the
following questions (All we would do is go skiing -- no off-roading):
1. With 4WD, do we need the "performance axle" - (limited slip axle).
Its purpose is to allow the tires to act independently when the tires
are on different terrain.
2. Do we need the all-terrain tires (P235/75X15) or will the
all-season (P225/70X15) be good enough for us at Lake Tahoe?
Thanks,
Tom
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shou@asd.sgi.com 2011 N. Shoreline Blvd.
415-390-5362 MS 8U-815
415-962-0494 (fax) Mountain View, CA 94043
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From: wjhovi01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: Hebrew grammar texts--choose English or German?
Organization: University of Louisville
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Phil Sells writes:
> Probably a tired old horse, but... maybe with a slightly different
> twist. I wanted to know if there are any good English-language texts
> for learning ancient Hebrew, and how these compare with German
> educational texts qualitywise, if anybody has an idea. I can't figure
> out if I should buy one here for later study or wait until I get back to
> the U.S.
My impression is that *for advanced work* you will be much better off with
German reference works (lexicons, concordances especially). For a first-time
encounter, my *personal* preference would be to deal with a textbook written in
my native language. But if you know German and are in Germany, pick up all the
reference books you think you can handle. (I only know these works by
reputation, since my German is most rusty, but I'd look at the following books:
Koehler's lexicon, Mandeldern's concordance, the Jenni & Westermann theological
dictionary of the OT.)
> What's it like at divinity schools or seminaries in the States? Is
> there a lot of language instruction done? I really don't have a basis
> for comparison.
The amount of language instruction available at US seminaries varies widely,
mostly depending on the denominational heritage of the school. Presbyterian
and Reformed seminaries probably place a lot more emphasis on the biblical
languages than others. (Of course, any divinity school that has a doctoral
program in biblical studies is going to have extensive language resources! But
there are quite a few masters-degree-granting seminaries here at which the
attitude seems to be more, "Well, if you're *really* interested we'll give you
a semester-long course, but we don't understand why . . .")
The pattern here at the Louisville Presbyterian Seminary is for first-year
students to take intensive five-week introductory language courses in each
language, followed by semester-long exegesis courses. (That is: Hebrew in
August, OT exegesis in the fall; Greek in January, NT exegesis in the spring.)
These courses are required for graduation, a third or a half of the students,
I'd say, take advanced biblical work that requires language work.
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From: trajan@cwis.unomaha.edu (Stephen McIntyre)
Subject: Re: Atheists and Hell
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
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atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu writes:
> Hello,
> I have seen two common threads running through postings by atheists on
> the newsgroup, and I think that they can be used to explain each other.
> Unfortunately I don't have direct quotes handy...
> 1) Atheists believe that when they die, they die forever.
True to a point. If you were to ask a Buddhist atheist...
> 2) A god who would condemn those who fail to believe in him to eternal death
> is unfair.
> I don't see what the problem is! To Christians, Hell is, by definition,
> eternal death--exactly what atheists are expecting when they die. There's no
> reason Hell has to be especially awful--to most people, eternal death is bad
> enough.
Actually, yes and no, Hell is eternal death. Actually, the way
I've had it related to me, it's more of an eternal damnation,
where sinners will feel the licking flames of Hell. If I
supposedly can feel these flames, I would assume I'm still
alive, but suffering and away from God.
> Literal interpreters of the Bible will have a problem with this view, since
> the Bible talks about the fires of Hell and such. Personally, I don't think
> that people in Hell will be thrust into flame any more than I expect to Jesus
> with a double-edged sword issuing from his mouth--I treat both these state-
> ments as metaphorical.
I believe Jehovah's Witnesses have a similar view, where the body
sleeps for ever...
I don't have a problem with being condemned to Hell either. The
way I see it, if God wants to punish me for being honest in
my skepticism (that is, for saying he doesn't exist), He
certainly wouldn't be changing His nature. Besides, I would
rather spend an eternity in Hell than be beside God in Heaven
knowing even one man would spend his "eternal life" being
scorched for his wrongdoings...
Stephen
_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ * Atheist
_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ * Libertarian
_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ * Pro-individuality
_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ * Pro-responsibility
_/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Jr. * and all that jazz...
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From: cme@ellisun.sw.stratus.com (Carl Ellison)
Subject: Re: Licensing of public key implementations
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering
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In article <1993Apr4.221640.8104@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jebright@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (James R Ebright) writes:
>I guess we will have to wait for the time in the far future
>when everyone uses such good crypto that the NSA has no job. Then the
>agency will be disbanded and its files opened after the approprate
>historical delay. ;)
You've overlooked a fundamental Truth:
both headcount and budget of any government agency are
monotonic increasing functions.
Given that Truth, you need to look for what the agency can do to occupy
all those people and spend all that money when crypto is unbreakable.
Perhaps they could talk the world's telephone companies into making equipment
they could break into and tap.
Maybe they could convince people that distributed computing was a good idea
so that even the internal state of a process would be available for access
by wiretapping.
Maybe....
--
- <<Disclaimer: All opinions expressed are my own, of course.>>
- Carl Ellison cme@sw.stratus.com
- Stratus Computer Inc. M3-2-BKW TEL: (508)460-2783
- 55 Fairbanks Boulevard ; Marlborough MA 01752-1298 FAX: (508)624-7488
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From: buzz@bear.com (Buzz Moschetti)
Subject: Monthly Question about XCopyArea() and Expose Events
Reply-To: buzz@bear.com (Buzz Moschetti)
Organization: Bear, Stearns & Co. - FAST
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(2nd posting of the question that just doesn't seem to get answered)
Suppose you have an idle app with a realized and mapped Window that contains
Xlib graphics. A button widget, when pressed, will cause a new item
to be drawn in the Window. This action clearly should not call XCopyArea()
(or equiv) directly; instead, it should register the existence of the new
item in a memory structure and let the same expose event handler that handles
"regular" expose events (e.g. window manager-driven exposures) take care
of rendering the new image. Using an expose event handler is a "proper" way
to do this because at the time the handler is called, the Xlib Window is
guaranteed to be mapped.
The problem, of course, is that no expose event is generated if the window
is already visible and mapped. What we need to do is somehow "tickle" the
Window so that the expose handler is hit with arguments that will enable
it to render *just* the part of the window that contains the new item.
What is the best way to tickle a window to produce this behavior?
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From: arthurc@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Arthur Chandler)
Subject: Stereo Pix of planets?
Organization: California State University, Sacramento
Lines: 5
Can anyone tell me where I might find stereo images of planetary and
planetary satellite surfaces? GIFs preferred, but any will do. I'm
especially interested in stereos of the surfaces of Phobos, Deimos, Mars
and the Moon (in that order).
Thanks.
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From: LLBGB@utxdp.dp.utexas.edu
Subject: chip / chipset for code 39 barcode?
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
Lines: 15
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: lihan@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
While I'm on the net bugging everyone, is there such a thing as a chip
or chipset to decode Code 39 barcode? I ask for a couple of reasons --
mainly I want a reasonably compact encoding scheme to write information
on magstripe cards and Code 39 appears to be about right. (If the 'right'
way to do it is something else, and it's reasonably easy, can someone let
me know?)
I might not get a chance to reply too quickly to this or my earlier post,
but I'll get to them within a couple days, I think ..
thanx everyone! <BGB> lihan@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
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From: schumach@convex.com (Richard A. Schumacher)
Subject: Re: space news from Feb 1 AW&ST
Nntp-Posting-Host: starman.convex.com
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
not necessarily those of CONVEX.
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>Marshall is investigating a small but odd pressure rise in one SRB
>during the Jan 12 Endeavour launch. It lasted only three seconds and
>the thrust difference between the two SRBs was not enough to cause
>nozzle gimballing. The SRB casing shows no abnormalities.
Is this the one that had the {wrench|pliers} found inside after
recovery?
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From: laszlo@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu (Laszlo Nemeth)
Subject: Re: Protective gear
Nntp-Posting-Host: eclipse.cs.colorado.edu
Organization: University of Colorado Boulder, Pizza Disposal Group
Lines: 19
In article <C4wKFs.BC1@eskimo.com>, maven@eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes:
|> Question for the day:
|>
|> What protective gear is the most important? I've got a good helmet (shoei
|> rf200) and a good, thick jacket (leather gold) and a pair of really cheap
|> leather gloves... What should my next purchase be? Better gloves, boots,
|> leather pants, what?
condom
during wone of the 500 times i had to go over my accident i
was asked if i was wearing "protection" my responces was
"yes i was wearing a condom"
laz
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From: ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu (Eli Brandt)
Subject: Re: Would "clipper" make a good cover for other encryption method?
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Lines: 22
In article <1993Apr20.032623.3046@eff.org> kadie@eff.org (Carl M. Kadie) writes:
>Clipper might be a good way to cover the use of another layer of
>encryption.
Could somebody provide an overview of the proposed systems using the
chip? (Ought to see if ATT has a spec sheet) Skipjack sounds like a
normal digital encryption algorithm, so the data path will have to be
voice --> digitize --> compress --> encrypt
Compression will be necessary to fit the data on the wire, unless
they want to wait for ISDN (that we should be so lucky...). Feeding
pre-encrypted data into the compressor will cause it to chuckle at
you; you'd have to tap into the guts of the phone and hack either
the compressed data stream, or selected parts of the output stream
before it hits the modem. Unless you want to pay for two fast
modems on top of the encryption, and just plug the box in between
your phone and the wall.
>- Carl
PGP 2 key by finger or e-mail
Eli ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu
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From: whughes@lonestar.utsa.edu (William W. Hughes)
Subject: Re: BATF/FBI revenge
Keywords: BATF FBI Korash "child abuse" guns murder CONTROL
Nntp-Posting-Host: lonestar.utsa.edu
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Lines: 20
In article <2077@rwing.UUCP> pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto) writes:
>I am sick, dismayed, discouraged. And ASHAMED of our Administration.
>
>Anybody for impeachment?
I have already called senators, legislators and the Governor demanding
that the warrants be unsealed, and that all involved in this atrocity
(including the President, Attorney General and Governor) be suspended
pending an investigation.
I seriously doubt, however, that anything will ever be done.
Welcome to Amerika!
--
REMEMBER WACO!
Who will the government decide to murder next? Maybe you?
[Opinions are mine; I don't care if you blame the University or the State.]
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From: mchaffee@dcl-nxt07 (Michael T Chaffee)
Subject: Re: Manual Shift Bigots
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Lines: 21
eliot@lanmola.engr.washington.edu (eliot) writes:
>In article <C5LIw2.CAx@news.rich.bnr.ca> Peon w/o Email (Eric Youngblood) writes:
>>In article <1qn2lo$c9s@vela.acs.oakland.edu>, mje@pookie.pass.wayne.edu (Michael J. Edelman) writes:
>>The big disadvantage of automatics is the ~10% HP they consume that never
>>gets to the wheels. In this respect they are at a disadvantage to a manual.
>only when the torque converter is not locked up. there are autos out there
>with converter lock up in 2nd, 3rd and 4th gears.
W/r/t performance, converter lockup is purely irrelevant. The lockup only
occurs at light throttle settings and serves only to improve MPG. Mind you,
a converter clutch does a lovely job of improving MPG, but the additional
mechanical advantage of the converter gives you more acceleration (vs. locked
converter clutch) than its inherent losses take away.
Michael T. Chaffee
mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu <----Email
mchaffee@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu <----NeXTMail
.sig under construction. <----Excuse
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From: pfuetz@igd.fhg.de (Matthias Pfuetzner)
Subject: Re: Available memory to the Xserver. How to get the actual size?
Reply-To: pfuetz@igd.fhg.de (Matthias Pfuetzner)
Organization: Zentrum fuer Graphische Datenverarbeitung, Darmstadt, FRG
Lines: 78
Hello!
In article <1993Apr17.144246.29806@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu>,
mouse@mcrcim.mcgill.edu (der Mouse) writes:
>In article <1965@igd.fhg.de>, pfuetz@igd.fhg.de (Matthias Pfuetzner) writes:
>
>> Is there a possibility to determine via X protocol calls the size of
>> free memory available to the Xserver?
>
>No. Even if you could, the answer could be out of date even before you
>get it (even if you grab the server, it could be taken up by buffering
>user actions). You should just try to do whatever you want; a BadAlloc
>error is your indication that insufficient server memory is available.
>
> der Mouse
This isn't of much help! Especially when doing Phigs (PEX) via the libphigs as
supplied by MIT, I have much trouble together with PEX-terminals that don't
have enough memory!
Performing the following:
visual.visualid = CopyFromParent;
bg_pix = WhitePixel( grafik_display, DefaultScreen( grafik_display ) );
xswa.backing_store = NotUseful;
xswa.event_mask = ExposureMask | StructureNotifyMask;
xswa.background_pixel = bg_pix;
graphic_window =
XCreateWindow( graphic_display,
RootWindow( graphic_display,
DefaultScreen( graphic_display ) ),
0,
0,
DisplayWidth(graphic_display,
DefaultScreen( graphic_display ) ),
DisplayHeight(graphic_display,
DefaultScreen( graphic_display ) ),
(unsigned int)0,
8,
InputOutput,
&visual,
CWEventMask | CWBackingStore | CWBackPixel,
&xswa );
XMapWindow( graphic_display, graphic_window );
/** sync and wait for exposure event **/
XSync( graphic_display, False );
XWindowEvent( graphic_display, graphic_window, ExposureMask, &exposureEvent );
conn.display = graphic_display;
conn.drawable_id = graphic_window;
xinfo.display = graphic_display;
xinfo.flags.no_monitor = 0; /* False -> Monitor is running! */
xinfo.flags.force_client_SS = 0; /* False! */
popen_xphigs( NULL, 0, PXPHIGS_INFO_FLAGS_NO_MON |
PXPHIGS_INFO_FLAGS_CLIENT_SS |
PXPHIGS_INFO_DISPLAY, &xinfo );
popen_ws( 1, (Pconnid)(&conn), phigs_ws_type_x_drawable );
I get core dumps in the popen_ws call! (No BadAlloc, etc.! Simply a core
dump!) So I need some way of getting info about the maximal available memory
to the Xserver!
But thanks!
Sincerly,
Matthias
--
Matthias Pfuetzner | @work: +49 6151 155-150 | @home: +49 6151 75717
6100 Darmstadt, FRG | ZGDV, Wilhelminenstrasse 7 | Lichtenbergstrasse 73
pfuetzner@igd.fhg.de, pfuetzner@zgdvda.UUCP | Keith Packard said:
R5 is different from R4. That's why we changed the release number :-)
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From: bjones@convex.com (Brad Jones)
Subject: Re: guns in backcountry? no thanks
Nntp-Posting-Host: neptune.convex.com
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
not necessarily those of CONVEX.
Lines: 27
>In article <1qkcok$s9i@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, ci946@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John K. Gever) writes:
>|>
>|> Does anybody reading this group have an actual, honest-to-God
>|> experience with violent crime in the backcountry to tell about?
>|>
It was around 1969 in the Shenandoah Valley near Woodstock, Virginia. Me,
my wife, a friend, his wife, and his 2 kids were hiking in a totally
desolate mountain area. All of a sudden, large rocks began raining down
on us. Looking up, we saw at least 3 punks gleefully letting loose rocks
from what was an obvious stash. They were a couple hundred feet above us.
Meanwhile, the women and kids were screaming and running for cover and the
punks were shrieking with laughter. Me and my friend yelled for them to
knock it off. They responded that we should "Get f***ed!". Me and my
friend drew our pistols and fired a couple of times into the trees above
their heads. They ran. With no more 3-5 pound rocks coming at our heads,
we proceeded on our journey.
Sorry, but me and my friend saw no need to let it evolve to a more
"violent" level than we were already experiencing. I guess we should
have tried harder to understand and cope with the anger that society
had instilled in them and was driving them to do such things. Guess
that's a cross I'll have to bear.
Brad
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From: johnm@spudge.lonestar.org (John Munsch)
Subject: Re: Rumours about 3DO ???
Organization: /etc/organization
Lines: 16
In article <loT1rAPNBh107h@viamar.UUCP> rutgers!viamar!kmembry writes:
>Read Issue #2 of Wired Magazine. It has a long article on the "hype" of
>3DO. I've noticed that every article talks with the designers and how
>"great" it is, but never show any pictures of the output (or at least
>pictures that one can understand)
Gamepro magazine published pictures a few months ago and Computer Chronicles
(a program that is syndicated to public tv stations around the nation) spent
several minutes on it when it was shown at CES. It was very impressive what
it can do in real time.
John Munsch
P.S. Don't take that to mean that I believe that the system is going to take
over the world or something. Just that it clearly has a lot more horsepower
than any of the VIS, CD-I, Sega CD, or Turbo Duo crowd.
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Subject: Marching Cubs
From: abild@bert.cs.byu.edu
Distribution: world
Organization: BYU
Keywords: Cube,Program,C
Nntp-Posting-Host: bigler-quadra.byu.edu
Lines: 24
Hello,
Hello,
I was wondering if anyone knew of a PC or MAC
implementation of the marching cubes algorithm that will output
the individual faces. If there is no such application, might there
be some C source code that I could modify to implement the
algorithm and get to the individual faces.
Thanks in advance
Sincerly
Tracy
+------------------------------------+-------------------------------+
| Tracy J. Abildskov | Phone: (801) 378-3407 |
| | FAX: (801) 378-7862 |
| Address : Brigham Young University | |
| Department of Psychology | E-mail: abild@bert.cs.byu.edu |
| Provo, UT 84602 | |
| USA | |
+------------------------------------+-------------------------------+
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From: jcopelan@nyx.cs.du.edu (The One and Only)
Subject: Re: Where are they now?
Organization: Salvation Army Draft Board
Lines: 31
In article <1ql0d3$5vo@dr-pepper.East.Sun.COM> geoff@East.Sun.COM writes:
>Your posting provoked me into checking my save file for memorable
>posts. The first I captured was by Ken Arromdee on 19 Feb 1990, on the
>subject "Re: atheist too?". That was article #473 here; your question
>was article #53766, which is an average of about 48 articles a day for
>the last three years. As others have noted, the current posting rate is
>such that my kill file is depressing large...... Among the posting I
>saved in the early days were articles from the following notables:
>
>>From: loren@sunlight.llnl.gov (Loren Petrich)
>>From: jchrist@nazareth.israel.rel (Jesus Christ of Nazareth)
>>From: mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (Mark Crispin)
>>From: perry@apollo.HP.COM (Jim Perry)
>>From: lippard@uavax0.ccit.arizona.edu (James J. Lippard)
>>From: minsky@media.mit.edu (Marvin Minsky)
>
>An interesting bunch.... I wonder where #2 is?
Didn't you hear? His address has changed. He can be reached at the
following address:
dkoresh@branch.davidian.compound.waco.tx.us
I think he was last seen posting to alt.messianic.
Jim
--
If God is dead and the actor plays his part | -- Sting,
His words of fear will find their way to a place in your heart | History
Without the voice of reason every faith is its own curse | Will Teach Us
Without freedom from the past things can only get worse | Nothing
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From: egan@phony25.cc.utah.edu (Egan F. Ford)
Subject: color xterm
Keywords: color xterm
Reply-To: egan%phony25.cc.utah.edu@hellgate.utah.edu
Organization: Call Business Systems
Lines: 9
I'm look for current patches for color xterm for X11R5 pl19 ro higher. Could
someone please tell me where to get them for e-mail them to me.
Thanks.
--
Egan F. Ford
egan%phony25.cc.utah.edu@hellgate.utah.edu
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From: jap10@po.CWRU.Edu (Joseph A. Pellettiere)
Subject: Sigma Designs Double up??
Article-I.D.: usenet.1psdv2$gr5
Reply-To: jap10@po.CWRU.Edu
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
Lines: 8
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu
I am looking for any information about the Sigma Designs
double up board. All I can figure out is that it is a
hardware compression board that works with AutoDoubler, but
I am not sure about this. Also how much would one cost?
--
Joe
jap10@po.cwru.edu
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From: callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison)
Subject: Re: SHO and SC
Nntp-Posting-Host: uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA
Lines: 42
In article <1993Apr15.232412.2261@ganglion.ann-arbor.mi.us> david@ganglion.ann-arbor.mi.us (David Hwang) writes:
>In article <5214@unisql.UUCP> wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:
>>In article <chrissC587qB.D1B@netcom.com> chriss@netcom.com (Chris Silvester) writes:
>>
>>>WAGON, which I have heard is somehow slightly faster than the Coupe.
>>
>> Wagon has an automatic, it's slower.
>>
>Could be due to the rear-end ratio also.
>
>Usually automatics have different rear-ends than manuals, from
>my limited experience anyways.
You'll have fun looking for the rear-end gears on an SHO--the Taurus
is a front-wheel-drive vehicle...
I went back and checked the article again; The SHO Wagon is quicker
than the SHO automatic, but significantly slower than the REAL SHO.
Why anyone would order an SHO with an automatic transmission is
beyond me; if you can't handle a stick, you should stick with a
regular Taurus and leave the SHO to real drivers. That is not to
say that there aren't real drivers who can't use the stick (eg
disabled persons), but they aren't in any position to use an
SHO anyway.
I would be willing to bet that if we removed the automatic
transmissions from all "performance-type" cars (like the 5.0l
Mustangs, Camaros, and the like) we'd cut down on the number of
accidents each year. Autos are fine for sedate little sedans,
but they have no business in performance cars, IMHO.
James
James P. Callison Microcomputer Coordinator, U of Oklahoma Law Center
Callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu /\ Callison@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu
DISCLAIMER: I'm not an engineer, but I play one at work...
The forecast calls for Thunder...'89 T-Bird SC
"It's a hell of a thing, killing a man. You take away all he has
and all he's ever gonna have."
--Will Munny, "Unforgiven"
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From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
Subject: Re: Morality? (was Re: <Political Atheists?)
Organization: sgi
Lines: 47
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com
In article <1ql667INN54a@gap.caltech.edu>, keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes:
|> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
|>
|> >I don't expect the lion to know, or not know anything of the kind.
|> >In fact, I don't have any evidence that lions ever consider such
|> >issues.
|> >And that, of course, is why I don't think you can assign moral
|> >significance to the instinctive behaviour of lions.
|>
|> What I've been saying is that moral behavior is likely the null behavior.
|> That is, it doesn't take much work to be moral, but it certainly does to
|> be immoral (in some cases).
That's the craziest thing I ever heard. Are you serious?
"it doesn't take much work to be moral?"
|> Also, I've said that morality is a remnant of evolution.
Really? And that's why people discuss morality on a daily basis?
Because it's a kind of evolutionary hangover, like your little toe?
|> Our moral system is based on concepts well practiced in the animal
|> kingdom.
This must be some novel use of the phrase "based on" with which I
am not sufficiently familiar. What do you mean by "based on" and
what is the significance of it for your argument?
|>
|> >>So you are basically saying that you think a "moral" is an undefinable
|> >>term, and that "moral systems" don't exist? If we can't agree on a
|> >>definition of these terms, then how can we hope to discuss them?
|> >
|> >No, it's perfectly clear that I am saying that I know what a moral
|> >is in *my* system, but that I can't speak for other people.
|>
|> But, this doesn't get us anywhere. Your particular beliefs are irrelevant
|> unless you can share them or discuss them...
Well, we can. What would you like to know about my particular moral
beliefs?
If you raise a topic I've never considered, I'll be quite happy to
invent a moral belief out of thin air.
jon.
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From: frode@zevs.ifi.unit.no (Frode Kvam)
Subject: FTP-site for .WAV-files
Organization: Institutt for informatikk, Universitetet i Tr.heim, AVH
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Lines: 27
Hello everybody...
Are there any ftp-sites with wav-files available???
Frode Kvam :-)
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