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From: horen@netcom.com (Jonathan B. Horen)
Subject: Investment in Yehuda and Shomron
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In today's Israeline posting, at the end (an afterthought?), I read:
> More Money Allocated to Building Infrastructure in Territories to
> Create Jobs for Palestinians
>
> KOL YISRAEL reports that public works geared at building
> infrastructure costing 140 million New Israeli Shekels (about 50
> million dollars) will begin Sunday in the Territories. This was
> announced last night by Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin and Finance
> Minister Avraham Shohat in an effort to create more jobs for
> Palestinian residents of the Territories. This infusion of money
> will bring allocations given to developing infrastructure in the
> Territories this year to 450 million NIS, up from last year's
> figure of 120 million NIS.
While I applaud investing of money in Yehuda, Shomron, v'Chevel-Azza,
in order to create jobs for their residents, I find it deplorable that
this has never been an active policy of any Israeli administration
since 1967, *with regard to their Jewish residents*. Past governments
found funds to subsidize cheap (read: affordable) housing and the
requisite infrastructure, but where was the investment for creating
industry (which would have generated income *and* jobs)?
After 26 years, Yehuda and Shomron remain barren, bereft of even
middle-sized industries, and the Jewish settlements are sterile
"bedroom communities", havens for (in the main) Israelis (both
secular *and* religious) who work in Tel-Aviv or Jerusalem but
cannot afford to live in either city or their surrounding suburbs.
There's an old saying: "bli giboosh, ayn kivoosh" -- just living there
wasn't enough, we had to *really* settle it. But instead, we "settled"
for Potemkin villages, and now we are paying the price (and doing
for others what we should have done for ourselves).
--
Yonatan B. Horen | Jews who do not base their advocacy of Jewish positions and
(408) 736-3923 | interests on Judaism are essentially racists... the only
horen@netcom.com | morally defensible grounds for the preservation of Jews as a
| separate people rest on their religious identity as Jews.
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From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni)
Subject: Re: The U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum: A Costly and Dangerous Mistake
Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department
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It's all my fault.
I am in violation of one of my own rules:
"Avoid FollowingUp to a Barf posting."
In article <1r64pb$nkk@genesis.MCS.COM> arf@genesis.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling) writes:
>In article <C5ut1s.3xA@bony1.bony.com> jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes:
>>through private contributions on Federal land". Your hate-mongering
>>article is devoid of current and historical fact, intellectual content
>>and social value. Down the toilet it goes.....
>And we all know what an unbiased source the NYT is when it comes to things
>concerning Israel.
Those damned, spiking Israelists, right, Barfling?
>Neither the Times nor the trained seals who have responded thus far seem to
"Trained Seals"? You mean the ones that flap their flippers making
"Arf, Arf! Arf, Arf!" sounds?
>recognize the statement that these "private funds" were all tax exmpt. In
>otherwords, American taxpayers put up at least 30% of the money. And
>finalyy, how does "Federal land" mitigate the offensiveness of this alien
>monument dedicated to perpetuating pitty and the continual flow of tax money
>to a foreign entity?
In your own diseased mind, you now seem to believe that tax exemption
is equivalent to government funding. Holy Shit, Batman! The US
government is now one of the major supporters of the Catholic Church
-- in violation of the rules of separation of Church and State!
>That "Federal land" and tax money could have been used to commerate
>Americans or better yet, to house homeless Americans.
Quick, Bill! Commandeer all the churches and give them to the People!
Or does your anti-logic only apply to the mosques belonging to what
you have described as "Ragheads" or perhaps the synagogues of those
you have characterized as "Hymies"?
--
Jake Livni jake@bony1.bony.com Ten years from now, George Bush will
American-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the
My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President.
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From: der10@cus.cam.ac.uk (David Rourke)
Subject: xs1100 timing
Organization: U of Cambridge, England
Lines: 4
Nntp-Posting-Host: bootes.cus.cam.ac.uk
Could some kind soul tell me the advance timing/revs for a 1981 xs1100 special
(bought in Canada).
thanks.
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From: kensib@cary112.its.rpi.edu (Brian C. Kensing)
Subject: Re: Manual Shift Bigots
Nntp-Posting-Host: cary112.its.rpi.edu
Reply-To: kensib@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
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I prefer a manual to an automatic as it should be. I believe that automatics
should only be manufactured for people with physical disabilities who otherwise
would not be able to drive. Automatic transmissions allow drivers to be lazy.
More time is available to fiddle with the radio or to look at the scenery
instead of concentrating on the road. The manual transmission keeps the drive
always doing something, granted it isn't a large movement. Plus, driving should
be FUN! Driving a manual is fun, driving an automatic is a chore.
In the case of shift speed, automatics can be made to shift far faster
that any human could move a stick. If I was racing, I'd want and automatic. For
normal driving go with the manual.
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From: erics@netcom.com (Eric Smith)
Subject: Re: The 1964 Phillies: deja vu?
Keywords: Phillies
Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Lines: 112
Previously I wrote:
>Yeah, the Phillies played over their heads almost the whole year,
>but it all caught up to them in one 10-game streak. I *am* as old as
>1964 (man!) and I was a big Phillies fan at the time (age 13).
>September '64 is still a painful thing to remember. But I can tell you
>that the Phillies never led the league by 15 that year. Going by memory
>alone, I believe their biggest lead was 7 1/2 games, and they were
>6 1/2 ahead when the famous 10-game losing streak began, a streak
>during which it seemed that they found just about every way to lose
>known to man. Anyway, I think they rebounded just before the end and
>won their last couple games and were still in the thing until the
>final day, but finished tied with the Giants one game out. And didn't
>the Dodgers or somebody else finish two games back? That has to be
>one of the closest last minute scrambles ever.
OK, you guys stirred up my childhood memories, so I went and did
some research on the final month or so of the 1964 season. It turns
out that my recollections were pretty darn accurate, at least as
far as the Phillies record goes. On September 1 1964 this was the
top of the N.L. standings:
W L GB
Philadelphia 79 51 -
Cincinnati 74 57 5 1/2
St. Louis 72 59 7 1/2
San Francisco 73 60 7 1/2
This is a game-by-game description of the remainder of the Phillies'
season:
Date Score Opponent Lead Pitcher (starting and winner/loser)
9/1 4-3 Houston 5 1/2 Bunning (15-4)
9/2 2-1 Houston 5 1/2 Short (15-7)
9/3 0-6 Houston 5 1/2 Bennett (9-12)
9/4 5-3 San Francisco 6 1/2 Mahaffey; Baldschun (6-5)
9/5 ??Win San Francisco 6 1/2 Bunning (16-4)
9/6 3-4 San Francisco 5 1/2 Short; Baldschun (6-6)
9/7 5-1 Los Angeles Bennett (10-12)
1-3 Los Angeles 6 1/2 Wise (5-3)
9/8 2-3 Los Angeles 6 Mahaffey (12-7)
9/9 5-10/11 St. Louis 5 Bunning; Baldschun (6-7)
(Cardinals take over 2nd place from Cincinnati)
9/10 5-1 St. Louis 6 Short (16-7)
9/11 1-0 San Francisco 6 Bennett (11-12)
9/12 1-9 San Francisco 6 Mahaffey (12-8)
(Giants move into a tie for 2nd with St. Louis)
9/13 4-1/10 San Francisco 6 Bunning (17-4)
(Cardinals back in sole possesion of 2nd place)
9/14 4-1 Houston 6 1/2 Short (17-7)
9/15 1-0 Houston 6 Bennett (12-12)
9/16 5-6 Houston 6 Bunning (17-5)
9/17 4-3 Los Angeles 6 1/2 Wise; Schantz (2-4)
9/18 3-4 Los Angeles 6 Short; Baldschun (6-8)
9/19 3-4/16 Los Angeles 5 1/2 Bennett; Baldschun (6-9)
9/20 3-2 Los Angeles 6 1/2 Bunning (18-5)
(Reds move back into tie for 2nd with Cardinals)
Well so far so good for the Phillies. But now it all falls apart ...
9/21 0-1 Cincinnati 5 1/2 Mahaffey (12-9)
(Reds take sole possesion of 2nd place)
9/22 2-9 Cincinnati 4 1/2 Short (17-8)
9/23 4-6 Cincinnati 3 1/2 Bennett (12-13)
9/24 3-5 Milwaukee 3 Bunning (18-6)
9/25 5-7/12 Milwaukee 1 1/2 Short; Boozer (3-4)
(Cards now 2 1/2 back in 3rd, Giants 3 1/2 in 4th)
9/26 4-6 Milwaukee 1/2 Mahaffey; Schantz (2-5)
9/27 8-14 Milwaukee -1 Bunning (18-7)
(Phils lose 7 1/2 games in 7 days; Reds take over 1st,
Cardinals 1 1/2 back in 3rd)
9/28 1-5 St. Louis -1 1/2 Short(17-9)
(Cardinals take over 2nd place, Phils drop to 3rd)
9/29 2-4 St. Louis -1 1/2 Bennett (12-14)
(Reds and Cardinals now tied for 1st)
9/30 5-8 St. Louis -2 1/2 Bunning (18-8)
(Cardinals take 1/2 game lead over Reds)
10/1 4-3 Cincinnati -1 1/2 Short; Roebuck (5-3)
(Phillies halt 10-game losing streak; Cards lead Reds by 1/2 game)
10/2 Did not play; Cards lose to Mets, Reds tied for 1st, Phils 1 game back
10/3 10-0 Cincinnati -1 Bunning (19-8)
(Cards beat Mets, take first by 1 from Reds and Phillies)
Whew! what a finish! And the final standings were:
W L GB
St. Louis 93 69 -
Philadelphia 92 70 1
Cincinnati 92 70 1
San Francisco 90 72 3
Now it doesn't appear to me that Phillies pitchers Bunning and Short
were really overused, at least by the four-man rotation standard of
the day, until well along into the 10-game losing streak, at which
time Mauch was probably desperate for a win at any cost because the
Phillies substantial lead had evaporated. The way they were used at
that time may have made the problem worse, although Bunning had one
of his sharpest games of the year in the final day 10-0 shutout of
the Reds that cost the Reds a share of the pennant. Bunning pitched
a complete game six-hitter, striking out five and walking one. It
would be inetersting to see, though, how the total innings for the
year for Bunning and Short stacks up against the rest of the league.
Also notice that the Phillies played every day from at least September 1
through October 1; while they didn't play substantially more games than
the other teams, the other teams each had a couple days off during that
stretch.
-----
Eric Smith
erics@netcom.com
erics@infoserv.com
CI$: 70262,3610
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From: phil@flex.eng.mcmaster.ca (Phil Nguyen)
Subject: How to unsubscribe from mailing list
Keywords: unsubscribe
Nntp-Posting-Host: flex.eng.mcmaster.ca
Organization: McMaster University, Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
Lines: 20
I try to unsubscribe from this group by sending an email but that doesn't work.
Could some one tell me the listserv address and command for me to unsubcribe ?
I am leaving this Friday (30th April 93) and the mail box will overflow
soon after that.
Thanks
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Research Engineer
Flexible Manufacturing Research and Development Centre (FMR&D)
McMaster University
1280 Main St. West
Hamilton, On L8S 4L7
Voice: (416) 529-7070 ext 2902 or 7343
Fax: (416) 572-7944
e-mail: phil@flex.eng.mcmaster.ca
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From: ryanph@mrl.dsto.gov.au
Subject: Re: SE rom
Organization: Defence Science and Technology Organisation
Lines: 45
NNTP-Posting-Host: mrl.dsto.gov.au
Gosh, I wish people would read the postings that they are 'following up' to.
In article <C5pMsv.Jtp@wyvern.wyvern.com>, dashley@wyvern.wyvern.com (Doug Ashley) writes:
> seanmcd@ac.dal.ca writes:
>
>>In article <wgwC5pDL4.43y@netcom.com>, wgw@netcom.com (William G. Wright) writes:
>>>
>>> Anyway, I was hoping someone knowledgeable
>>> about Mac internals could set me straight: is it simply
>>> impossible for a mac SE to print grayscale, or could
>
>>To use the grayscale features, I believe you need a Mac equipped
>>with colour quickdraw. I was told this somewhere or other, but it's
>
> I think you will find that the Mac SE can PRINT grayscale images, loaded
> with the proper software. However, the Mac SE cannot DISPLAY grayscale on
The original poster (W G Wright) posted an item saying that he had bought a new
wizz-bang Laser Printer from Apple (a Select 300 I think) which can print
GrayScale. He then said that he CANNOT PRINT GRAYSCALE from his SE computer
(and also that all the 'experts' he has dealt with agree that it is not
possible).
This is the one major bugbear about doing a 3rd party SE upgrade (compared to
Apple's SE to SE/30 upgrade): you will never be able to run Color Quickdraw. It
is Color Quickdraw that controls Color AND Grayscale.
SEs CAN print some COLOUR: this is because Quickdraw - the original, non-colour
version, has the right hooks for eight colours. Some of you will remember the
'SCSIgraph' solution to getting a colour screen for your SE (I think that it
gave you sixteen colours by dithering or something).
There is no reason that Apple couldn't release software patches for older
computers (there are lots of Mac Pluses, Classics and SEs that have been
upgraded to 68020 and 68030 processors which should be perfectly able to deal
with Color Quickdraw) - but they wont, and 3rd parties are having a difficult
time in duplicating the Mac's ROMs (i.e. Nutek et al.).
Just one Caveat: I would have thought that if you were printing a POSTSCRIPT
Grayscale image onto a POSTSCRIPT Grayscale printer, that you would be able to
do so, whatever Mac you were using. (And I am pretty sure that the Select 300
is NOT a POSTSCRIPT printer [? correct me if I'm wrong?]).
Phil Ryan
Melbourne, Australia
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From: goykhman@apollo.hp.com (Red Herring)
Subject: Re: Unconventional peace proposal
Nntp-Posting-Host: dzoo.ch.apollo.hp.com
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Chelmsford, MA
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In article <1483500348@igc.apc.org> Center for Policy Research <cpr@igc.apc.org> writes:
>
>From: Center for Policy Research <cpr>
>Subject: Unconventional peace proposal
>
>
>A unconventional proposal for peace in the Middle-East.
>---------------------------------------------------------- by
> Elias Davidsson
>
>Having stated my assumptions, I will now state my proposal.
>
>1. A Fund should be established which would disburse grants
>for each child born to a couple where one partner is Israeli-Jew
>and the other Palestinian-Arab.
...
>5. The emergence of a considerable number of 'mixed'
>marriages in Israel/Palestine, all of whom would have relatives on
>'both sides' of the divide, would make the conflict lose its
>ethnical and unsoluble core and strengthen the emergence of a
>truly civil society. The existence of a strong 'mixed' stock of
>people would also help the integration of Israeli society into the
Sounds just like a racial theory that Hitler outlined in Mein Kampf.
>Elias Davidsson Post Box 1760 121 Reykjavik, ICELAND
--
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Disclaimer: Opinions expressed are mine, not my employer's.
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Organization: University of Maine System
From: Jon Carr <IO91748@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Subject: Pin map for 8pin-DIN cable?
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#### ####
# ### #
# 1 2 3 #
Facing # #
Female Plug End # 4 5 6 #
# #
# #
# 7 8 #
# #
#############
Anyone Recognize this? It's my little layout of a eight pin female plug
connector used for many mac peripherals.
#####Problem########Problem#########Problem########
Printer (cheap) cables using this configuration switch a couple of
pins between one end and the other. I want to use cheap cables for an
A-B box. Anyone know which pins get reversed so I can do some
creative editing on the internals of my box? Any help would be
greatly appreciated.
-----> Jon Jon Carr
-----> IO91748@MAINE.MAINE.EDU UMaine '93
1993 NCAA Champions! How about those 42-1-2 Black Bears!!
M - A - I - N - E - GO BLUE!!!!!!!!!!
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From: borowski@spk.hp.com (Don T. Borowski)
Subject: Re: help - how to construct home-built battery for 3rd grade sci report
Distribution: usa
Organization: Hewlett-Packard
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]
Lines: 20
Dean Anneser (anneser@pwa-b.uucp) wrote:
: My 9 yr old son has signed up to do a science report on batteries. I was
: wondering if anyone could provide me with some information as to how to
: construct a home-built battery. In my grade school days, I remember seeing
: the 'ice cube tray' version, but I don't remember what to use as a good
: electrolyte or what the easily obtainable metals were.
:
: Thank you in advance.
I remember watching a whole "Mr. Wizzard" program on this subject when
I was a kid. The battery constructed on the program which made the
biggest impression on me, and generated the most power, was made using
a galvanized bucket (for the zinc) and a copper toilet tank float. The
electrolyte was sauerkraut!
Donald Borowski WA6OMI Hewlett-Packard, Spokane Division
"Angels are able to fly because they take themselves so lightly."
-G.K. Chesterton
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From: barnesm@sun.com (Mark Barnes - SunSoft)
Subject: Re: LH Workmanship
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Lines: 6
Distribution: world
Reply-To: barnesm@sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: vavau.corp.sun.com
I was following an example of the LH the other day, and noticed the fit
between the tunk lid and the rear bumper. The gap was quite small on
the left side, but much larger on the right. Blech!!!
---Mark
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From: bernard@cs.su.oz.au (Bernard Gardner)
Subject: Re: Fast polygon routine needed
Organization: Basser Department of Computer Science
Keywords: polygon, needed
Lines: 10
For some reason I never saw the original post on this thread, but if you are
looking for fast polygon routines on vga on a PC, you really can't go past
the mode X stuff from Dr Dobbs. This code is all p.domain (as far as I know),
and in the original articles, the routines were all presented as dumb vga
routines, and then optimised to modeX with some interesting discussion along
the way.
If you are interested, I could find out more details of the issues in question,
(I have them at home).
Bernard.
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From: chuck@eos.ncsu.edu (Chuck Kesler)
Subject: Re: Ford Probe - Opinions? (centered around the GT)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project EOS
Lines: 143
In article <1993Apr20.002651.20797@sco.com> nathanp@sco.COM (Nathan) writes:
>
>"Jeremy G. Mereness" <zonker+@CMU.EDU> says:
>>
>>Can anyone offer any opinions of the Ford Probe... ala how they do in
>>the long run, repair records, reliability, mileage, etc?
>>
>>I am fixing to buy a car in the next few months aiming toward something
>>a little bigger than a typical small car and with a little more power. I
>>am considering the MX-6, Probe, Accord, Corolla, and the 240SX.
...
>I bought a '93 Probe GT with the PEP 263A last July (now at 9500 miles)
>after debating over the Sentra SE-R/NX2000, MX6, MR-2, Stealth, Prelude,
>and Celica.
...
>The car design is different than earlier years, so it's too early to see its
>reliability so far. For what it's worth, my comments:
>
>My dislikes:
>Shutting door with windows up from inside rarely makes good wind seal.
Some other owners on the ford-probe@world.std.com mailing list have commented
about this problem, but I haven't seen it happen on my 3 month old
'93 Probe GT. I think this may be something that Ford has corrected since
the initial batch of cars. Also, someone said that Ford has issued a
service bulletin to inform dealers about how to correct this problem, so you
may be able to get your dealer to fix it.
>Headlights have "stuck" up a few times (weather?)
>air conditioning broke ~4000 miles (pressure cycling switch)
>condensation around rear washer fluid container doesn't drain completely.
Haven't seen any of these problems, nor have I seen these mentioned on the
mailing list, so these might just be having bad luck with these.
>crammed engine; little hope for do-it-yourselfers (typical)
Definitely!
>parts somewhat more expensive than normal Ford parts
>underside plastic doesn't like sharp driveways and speedbumps (typical).
>assembly gripes: tape on radiator, screw fell out of dash, seat seams not
>stitched properly. Hopefully just a fluke.
No problems like these either. I haven't been able to find any obvious
places where they screwed up.
>Ford only gives 1 key with the car. C'mon Ford, spend an extra few pennies!
Hmmm! I got two keys with my car. Something tells me you got stiffed by
your dealer on this. (Actually, if you count the "credit card" key that
came in the owner's binder, I got 3 keys, but since the credit card key
doesn't have any teeth cut in it yet, I guess I won't count it. :-))
>Rear hatch has no padding on corners when up. I'm waiting for the day when
>I bash my head on the corner.
>horn buttons behind air bag in spokes and not in center (personal preference)
The latter is probably because of the air bag. It's pretty much takes up
all the space where you'd expect to find the horn.
Speaking of the horn, I was surprised to find that the Probe comes with one
of those nice 'merican sounding horns instead of the Japanese sounding kind.
The previous Probes had Japanese horns.
>Tires fling dirt/mud onto side of car
Yeah, not very badly, but enough to be annoying sometimes.
>My Likes:
>engine (design/valves/sounds/smoothness/power/mileage/torque) -- definitely #1
>handling (very good for FWD; understeer only at limits)
>transmission (the 5 speed is a must)
>usable instrumentation (lovely readable analog everywhere)
>Very little torque steer at full power (much better than the '90 SHO I drive)
>stability at 100+mph (high gearing though)
>low cowl (good visibility in front)
>Heated outside mirrors (nice in fog, never tested in freezing weather)
>ABS/Air bag (see above)
>rear seats fold down (I have few rear seat passengers so a trunk not important)
>No shake/rattle noises when going over bumps/potholes (still!)
>Tires: 225/55VR16 Goodyear Eagles (70% left; hoping for 30K :-)
I agree strongly with all of the above, especially about the engine. The
interior is very, very nice too. Very pleasing to the eye, and ergonomically
sound.
...
>I drive it to and from work
>each day on relatively smooth roads, and most noticable thing is that the
>Probe's suspension doesn't like potholes. When you test drive one, find a
>potholed road somewhere around town and see if the jarring you get is
>tolerable.
Yes, this car's stiff suspension isn't for everyone. I personally like it,
but if you find it a little harsh but otherwise like the car, I'd strongly
suggest looking into the MX-6.
>If you have 3+ passengers, by all means bring them along too. They'll find
>that they have no room in the back and you'll find that the car rides
>differently (if that's "better" is up to you).
The problem with the back seat is that there's no leg room. Plenty of
head room, though. Shorter people fit back there without any complaints,
so long as the seat they are sitting behind is pulled forward a bit to
give them a place to put their feet.
>Also, there's a lot of glass
>around you which I wasn't expecting; the temperature inside the car gets pretty
>hot in the summer. My back seat passengers (now very few) complain about
>the lack of ventilation; you may want to consider that when combined with
>the heat.
The power moonroof can greatly improve the ventilation throughout the car. :-)
I really enjoy the moonroof, by the way, but then I've always been a sucker
for open air driving. No leakage problems or anything like that...yet!
>I've heard that the exhaust system has trouble, but mine works fine.
I haven't heard about this one. I know that some of the very early Probes
('89 and maybe '90) had problems with prematurely rusting mufflers (which
Ford will replace at no charge), but I haven't heard about anything like
this concerning the '93 Probes.
I haven't had any real trouble with this car outside of a CV joint boot
that was leaking, but the dealer took care of that promptly, and even
gave me a free rental car for the day and a half that I was without my
car. I was quite happy with the way they handled...especially considering
that I was expecting the worst from them!
From what I've heard, it sounds like Ford/Mazda had some QC problems with
the Probe (and probably MX-6) when they first went into production, but
I think these problems have mostly been corrected at this point. That's
almost always to be expected with a completely new car like this, though.
Hope this helps,
-chuck-
--
Chuck Kesler /|< Internet: chuck@eos.ncsu.edu
Unix Systems Programmer | US Mail: Box 7901, NCSU Campus
Engineering Computer Operations | Raleigh, NC 27695 USA
North Carolina State University | Phone: +1 919 515 2458
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From: pierson@cimill.enet.dec.com (Dave Pierson)
Subject: Re: Swr Meter For Cb Radios
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Lines: 31
Nntp-Posting-Host: cimill
In article <734953838.AA00508@insane.apana.org.au>,
peter.m@insane.apana.org.au (Peter Tryndoch) writes...
>AllThe Devil ReincarnateSWR meter for CB radios
>
>TD>From: ssave@ole.cdac.com (The Devil Reincarnate)
>TD>Organization: CDAC, WA
>TD>What
>TD>is a good choice for a CB? 1/4 or 1/8 wave?
>TD> I read the installation instructions on a 1/4 wave antenna,
>TD>and they suggested that I use an SWR to tune it at channel 12
>TD>and channel 32 for a minimum reading. Question is, why channel
>TD>12 and 32?
>The best antenna is one that will let out the most wave (probably not the
>best explanation, but the rest makes sense) A one wave will cancell itself
>out (BTW no such beastie).
Yes there is. Not common for CB. The pattern is different (sort of
a cloverleaf, with four main lobes.
> The best is a 1/2 wave antenna, followed by 1/4, then 1/8 etc.
Use of anything under 1/4 wave for transmitting is very uncommon. (The
usual "rubber duck" uses a coil to fool itself into looking like a
quarter wave.
I reccomend the ARRL Antenna Handbook, or a good basic book.
thanks
dave pierson |the facts, as accurately as i can manage,
Digital Equipment Corporation |the opinions, my own.
40 Old Bolton Rd |I am the NRA
Stow, Mass 01775 USA |pierson@msd26.enet.dec.com
"He has read everything, and, to his credit, written nothing." A J Raffles
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From: wagner@mala.bc.ca (TOM WAGNER, Wizzard of old Audio/Visual Equipment........Nanaimo Campus)
Subject: correction of last followup re relays
Organization: Malaspina College
Lines: 73
In article <1993Apr20.102756.1709@mala.bc.ca>, wagner@mala.bc.ca (TOM WAGNER, Wizzard of old Audio/Visual Equipment........Nanaimo Campus) writes:
> In article <C5r60r.4ID@megatest.com>, alung@megatest.com (Aaron Lung) writes:
>> In article <C5qsBF.IEK@ms.uky.edu> billq@ms.uky.edu (Billy Quinn) writes:
>>>I built a little project using the radio shack 5vdc relays to switch
>>>audio. I got pretty bad 'clicks' when the thing switched. I was doing
>>>most of the common things one is supposed to do when using relays and
>>>nothing seemed to get rid of the clicks.
>>>
>>>
>>>My question is:
>>>
>>> Is there a good relay/relay circuit that I can use for switching
>>>audio, so that there will be *NO* noise of any kind on the audio lines.
>>>
>>>
>>>I will appreciate any advice or references to advice. Also, exact part
>>>numbers/company names etc. for the relays will help!
>>
>> Are you switching high level signals or low level signals like pre-amp
>> out level signals? Also, are the clicks you mentioning the big
>> clack that happens when it switches or are you refering to contact
>> bounce? How are you driving the relays? TTL gate output? Switching
>> transistor? How are the relays connected to what you are driving?
>>
>> Need more specifics to answer your question!! :-)
>
> As a general rule, no relay will cleanly switch audio if you try to tranfer
> the circuit with the contacts. The noise you hear is due to the momentary
> opening and closing of the path.
>
> The noiseless way of transfering audio is to ground the circuit. In high
> impedance audio circuits a resistive "T" is constructed close to characteristic
> impedance of the circuit. Grounding the imputs (connected to the T) transfers
> the audio.
>
> In low impedance circuits transformers are usually used, and the inputs are
> shorted out or grounded. Secondaries are paralleled at the characteristic
> impedance.
>
> Sometimes if it is necessary to actually switch audio, a second contact is used
> to momentarily short the circuit output for the duration of the switching time.
>
> Telephone relays are handy, because contacts can be adjusted to "Make before
> break and Vica Versa" but I haven't seen any of these for years.
>
> Nowadys switching is done electronically with OP amps, etc.
>
> A novel circuit I used to build was a primitive "optical isolator".. It consists
> of a resistive photocell and a lamp, all packaged in a tube. When the lamp is
> off the cell is high resistance. Turn the lamp on and the resistance lowers
> passing the audio. Once again this device in a "T" switches the audio. Varying
> the lamp resistance give a remote volume control. Use 2 variable resisters and
> you have a mixer!
>
> Lots of luck!
> --
> 73, Tom
> ================================================================================
> Tom Wagner, Audio Visual Technician. Malaspina College Nanaimo British Columbia
> (604)753-3245, Loc 2230 Fax:755-8742 Callsign:VE7GDA Weapon:.45 Kentucky Rifle
> Snail mail to: Site Q4, C2. RR#4, Nanaimo, British Columbia, Canada, V9R 5X9
>
> I do not recyle..... I keep everything! (All standard disclaimers apply)
> ================================================================================
--
73, Tom
================================================================================
Tom Wagner, Audio Visual Technician. Malaspina College Nanaimo British Columbia
(604)753-3245, Loc 2230 Fax:755-8742 Callsign:VE7GDA Weapon:.45 Kentucky Rifle
Snail mail to: Site Q4, C2. RR#4, Nanaimo, British Columbia, Canada, V9R 5X9
I do not recyle..... I keep everything! (All standard disclaimers apply)
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Subject: Re: FLORIDA SUCKS!
From: csc2imd@cabell.vcu.edu (Ian M. Derby)
Expires: Sat, 1 May 1993 04:00:00 GMT
Organization: Virginia Commonwealth University
Lines: 8
This talk about the Phillies winning the NL East is scary. VERY
scary! Don't get me wrong, Im a Phillies fan but as late as last
year they looked helpless. The funny thing was they did have a lot
of injuries in '92 spring training that basically killed their
chances. Of course, don't forget the Dykstra wrist injury in the
first or second game?
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From: dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (Deepak Chhabra)
Subject: Re: Leaf slump over
Nntp-Posting-Host: stpl.ists.ca
Organization: Solar Terresterial Physics Laboratory, ISTS
Lines: 39
On March 21, 1993 Roger Maynard wrote (in reply to an article by Graham
Hudson):
>> will still have the Jennings Trophy at the end of the year. Potvin is very
>> good, and I do believe that he will be a star, but I want to see him
>> perform in the playoffs under pressure.
>You don't think he is performing "under pressure" now? The major
>differences between playoff hockey and normal hockey is 1. play-
>ing every other night which is physically exhausting and 2. You
>play the same team in a consecutive string of games. Is this
>what you mean by pressure? Have you even thought about what you
>mean by pressure, or are your thoughts, like most of the rest of
>this drivel, simply half-baked?
This was <1993Mar21.223936.6192@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca>, for anybody who
would like to check.
He went on (in another article) to say [paraphrased]
>"Playoff hockey" is just an expression used by announcers to convince
>simple-minded folks like yourself that what you are seeing is a better
>product than a regular-season game.
*NOW*, however, in article <1993Apr12.013939.23016@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca>
(Roger Maynard) writes:
>With a 4-2 win over a tough Whaler squad the Leafs showed all doubters
>what playoff hockey is all about.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
So, Roger, what exactly *is* playoff hockey all about? Or is it a convenient
phrase to use in certain circumstances only?
You see, when you spout off with flame bait too many times, sooner or later
it catches up with you....
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From: arf@genesis.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling)
Subject: Re: The U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum: A Costly and Dangerous Mistake
Organization: MCSNet Contributor, Chicago, IL
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NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.mcs.com
In article <C5wpAD.74K@specialix.com> jim@specialix.com (Jim Maurer) writes:
>arf@genesis.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling) writes:
>>>
>
>
>>recognize the statement that these "private funds" were all tax exmpt. In
>
>The donations are tax deductible like any donations to a non-profit
>organization. I've donated money to a group restoring streetcars
>and it was tax deductible. Why don't you contribute to a group
>helping the homeless if you so concerned?
I do (did) contribute to the ARF mortgage fund but when interest
rates plumetted, I just paid it off.
The problem is, I couldn't convince Congress to move my home to
a nicer location on Federal land.
BTW, even though the building is alleged to be funded by tax exempt
private funds, the maintainence and operating costs will be borne by
taxpayers forever.
Would anyone like to guess how much that will come to and tell us why
this point is never mentioned?
js
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From: jason@sigma.demon.co.uk (Jason Manger)
Subject: Hhy won't my DOS apps run in a window?!
Distribution: world
Organization: Sigma Press
Reply-To: jason@sigma.demon.co.uk
X-Mailer: Simple NEWS 1.90 (ka9q DIS 1.19)
Lines: 8
Can somebody help me out there? I have just purchased Win 3.1 and I just
can't get DOS apps (text mode apps) to run in a window on their own. I've
tried mucking around with the PIF settings etc, but to no avail. What am
I doing wrong? (I didn't get this problem under v3.0).
Thanks in advance ...
Jason.
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From: lcd@umcc.umcc.umich.edu (Leon Dent)
Subject: Re: MPEG for x-windows MONO needed.
Organization: UMCC, Ann Arbor, MI
Lines: 20
NNTP-Posting-Host: umcc.umcc.umich.edu
On sunsite.unc.edu in pub/multimedia/utilities/unix find
mpeg_play-2.0.tar.Z.
I find for mono it works best as mpeg_play -dither threshold
though you can use mpeg_play -dither mono
Face it, this is not be the best viewing situation.
Also someone has made a patch for mpeg_play that gives two more mono
modes (mono2 and halftone).
They are by jan@pandonia.canberra.edu.au (Jan Newmarch).
And the patch can be found on csc.canberra.edu.au (137.92.1.1) under
/pub/motif/mpeg2.0.mono.patch.
Leon Dent
lcd@umcc.umich.edu
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From: hendrix@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Dane Hendrix)
Subject: Processing of stereo images
Reply-To: hendrix@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Dane Hendrix)
Organization: Code 1542, DTMB, Bethesda, MD
Lines: 16
I'm interested in find out what is involved in processing pairs of
stereo photographs. I have black-and-white photos and would like
to obtain surface contours.
I'd prefer to do the processing on an SGI, but would be interested
in hearing what software/hardware is used for this type of
image processing.
Please email and/or post to comp.sys.sgi.graphics your responses.
Thanks,
Dane Hendrix | email: dane@wizard.dt.navy.mil
DTMB (a.k.a. Headquarters, Carderock Div.,| or hendrix@oasys.dt.navy.mil
Naval Surface Warfare Center) | or hendrix@nas.nasa.gov
Code 1542, Bethesda, MD 20084-5000 | phone: (301)227-1340
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From: mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk>
Subject: Re: The Inimitable Rushdie (Re: An Anecdote about Islam
Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.
X-Newsreader: rusnews v1.01
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jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:
> Why would the Rushdie case be particularly legitimate? As I've said
> elsewhere on this issue, Rushdie's actions had effects in Islamic
> countries so that it is not so simple to say that he didn't commit
> a crime in an Islamic country.
Actually, it is simple.
A person P has committed a crime C in country X if P was within the borders
of X at the time when C was committed. It doesn't matter if the physical
manifestation of C is outside X.
For instance, if I hack into NASA's Ames Research Lab and delete all their
files, I have committed a crime in the United Kingdom. If the US authorities
wish to prosecute me under US law rather than UK law, they have no automatic
right to do so.
This is why the net authorities in the US tried to put pressure on some sites
in Holland. Holland had no anti-cracking legislation, and so it was viewed
as a "hacker haven" by some US system administrators.
Similarly, a company called Red Hot Television is broadcasting pornographic
material which can be received in Britain. If they were broadcasting in
Britain, they would be committing a crime. But they are not, they are
broadcasting from Denmark, so the British Government is powerless to do
anything about it, in spite of the apparent law-breaking.
Of course, I'm not a lawyer, so I could be wrong. More confusingly, I could
be right in some countries but not in others...
mathew
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From: bbates@pro-freedom.van.wa.us (Brandon Bates)
Subject: WANTED: Video equipment (repost)
Article-I.D.: pro-free.1993Apr21.155915.10932
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)
Lines: 11
I am looking for a working docking deck (deck that goes on back of
camera) for an old JVC GX-S700 Tube video camera. Any format is
acceptable. Please send me a message if you even know anything about decks
for the GX-S700. Also interested in any video equipment for sale,
professional or consumer. Thank you.
----
bbates@pro-freedom.van.wa.us -==- Pro-Freedom BBS - (206) 694-3276
==============================================================
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From: nichael@bbn.com (Nichael Cramer)
Subject: Re: Some questions from a new Christian
Reply-To: ncramer@bbn.com
Organization: BBN, Interzone Office
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OFM responds to a query about reference works:
[Aside from a commentary, you might also want to consider an
introduction. These are books intended for use in undergraduate Bible
courses. They give historical background, discussion of literary
styles, etc. And generally they have good bibligraphies for further
reading. I typically recommend Kee, Froehlich and Young's NT
introduction...
Two other Intros to consider:
The "Introduction" by Ku:mmel is a translation of a strandard NT text.
The references are slightly dated and the style is somewhat dense, but
the book contains a wealth of information.
Perrin and Duling's Intro is also very good. It's somewhat more
modern than Ku:mmel's but not quite so densely packed. Also the
authors tend to go through the books of the NT in the historical order
of composition; this gives a very useful perspective on the
development of the NT.
... There are also some good one-volume commentaries. ... Probably the
best recommendation these days would be Harper's Bible Commentary.
A slight dissent: I think the Harper's is "OK" but not great. One
particular problem I have is that it tends to be pretty skimpy on
bibliographic material. My feeling is that it is OK for quick
look-ups, but not real useful for study in depth (e.g. I keep a copy
in my office at work).
... (I think there may be a couple of books with this title...
So far as I know there is the only one book with this exact title
(James L Mays, general editor, Harper and ROw, 1988) although I think
I recall a (older) series under the name "Harper Commentaries". Also
there's a separate Harper's Bible Dictionary (most of my comments on
the HC also apply to the HBD.)
My favorite one-volume commentary is the "New Jerome Biblical
Commentary". The NJBC is rather Catholic in focus and somewhat biased
towards the NT. (The reader can decide for her- or himself whether
these are pluses or minuses.) In any case the scholarship is by and
large excellent.
NOTE: The NJBC is a completely reworked, updated version of the
"Jerome Biblical Commentary", copies of which can still be found on
sale.
Nichael
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From: mogal@deadhead.asd.sgi.com (Joshua Mogal)
Subject: Re: SGI sales practices (Was: Crimson (Was: Kubota Announcement?))
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
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NNTP-Posting-Host: deadhead.asd.sgi.com
|> My
|> comment regarding DEC was to indicate that I might be open to other
|> vendors
|> that supported OpenGL, rather than deal further with SGI.
OpenGL is a graphics programming library and as such is a great, portable
interface for the development of interactive 3D graphics applications. It
is not, however, an indicator of performance, as that will vary strongly
from machine to machine and vendor to vendor. SGI is committed to high
performance interactive graphics systems and software tools, so OpenGL
means that you can port easily from SGI to other platforms, there is no
guarantee that your performance would be comparable.
|>
|> What I *am* annoyed about is the fact that we were led to believe that
|> we *would* be able to upgrade to a multiprocessor version of the
|> Crimson without the assistance of a fork lift truck.
If your sales representative truly mislead you, then you should have a
valid grievance against us which you should carry up to your local SGI
sales management team. Feel free to contact the local branch manager...we
understand that repeat sales come from satisfied customers, so give it a
shot.
|>
|> I'm also annoyed about being sold *several* Personal IRISes at a
|> previous site on the understanding *that* architecture would be around
|> for a while, rather than being flushed.
As one of the previous posts stated, the Personal IRIS was introduced in
1988 and grew to include the 4D/20, 4D/25, 4D/30 and 4D/35 as clock rates
sped up over time. As a rule of thumb, SGI platforms live for about 4-5
years. This was true of the motorola-based 3000 series ('85-'89), the PI
('88-'93), the Professional Series (the early 4D's - '86-'90), the Power
Series parallel systems ('88-'93). Individual CPU subsystems running at a
particular clock rate usually live for about 2 years. New graphics
architectures at the high end (GT, VGX, RealityEngine) are released every
18 months to 2 years.
These are the facts of life. If we look at these machines, they become
almost archaic after four years, and we have to come out with a new
platform (like Indigo, Onyx, Challenge) which has higher bus bandwidths,
faster CPUs, faster graphics and I/O, and larger disk capacities. If we
don't, we become uncompetitive.
From the user perspective, you have to buy a machine that meets your
current needs and makes economic sense today. You can't wait to buy, but
if you need a guaranteed upgrade path for the machine, ask the Sales Rep
for one in writing. If it's feasible, they should be able to do that. Some
of our upgrade paths have specific programs associated with them, such as
the Performance Protection Program for older R3000-based Power Series
multiprocessing systems which allowed purchasers of those systems to obtain
a guaranteed upgrade price for moving to the new Onyx or Challenge
R4400-based 64-bit multiprocessor systems.
|>
|> Now I understand that SGI is responsible to its investors and has to
|> keep showing a positive quarterly bottom line (odd that I found myself
|> pressured on at least two occasions to get the business on the books
|> just before the end of the quarter), but I'm just a little tired of
|> getting boned in the process.
|>
If that's happening, it's becausing of misunderstandings or
mis-communication, not because SGI is directly attempting to annoy our
customer base.
|> Maybe it's because my lab buys SGIs in onesies and twosies, so we
|> aren't entitled to a "peek under the covers" as the Big Kids (NASA,
|> for instance) are. This lab, and I suspect that a lot of other labs
|> and organizations, doesn't have a load of money to spend on computers
|> every year, so we can't be out buying new systems on a regular basis.
Most SGI customers are onesy-twosey types, but regardless, we rarely give a
great deal of notice when we are about to introduce a new system because
again, like a previous post stated, if we pre-announced and the schedule
slipped, we would mess up our potential customers schedules (when they were
counting on the availability of the new systems on a particular date) and
would also look awfully bad to both our investors and the financial
analysts who watch us most carefully to see if we are meeting our
commitments.
|> The boxes that we buy now will have to last us pretty much through the
|> entire grant period of five years and, in some case, beyond. That
|> means that I need to buy the best piece of equipment that I can when I
|> have the money, not some product that was built, to paraphrase one
|> previous poster's words, 'to fill a niche' to compete with some other
|> vendor. I'm going to be looking at this box for the next five years.
|> And every time I look at it, I'm going to think about SGI and how I
|> could have better spent my money (actually *your* money, since we're
|> supported almost entirely by Federal tax dollars).
|>
Five years is an awfully long time in computer years. New processor
technologies are arriving every 1-2 years, making a 5 year old computer at
least 2 and probably 3 generations behind the times. The competitive nature
of the market is demanding that rate of development, so if your timing is
really 5 years between purchases, you have to accept the limited viability
of whatever architecture you buy into from any vendor.
There are some realities about the computer biz that we all have to live
with, but keeping customers happy is the most important, so don't give up,
we know it.
Josh |:-)
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** Advanced Graphics Division ** Advanced Graphics Systems **
** Silicon Graphics Inc. ** Market Manager **
** 2011 North Shoreline Blvd. ** Virtual Reality **
** Mountain View, CA 94039-7311 ** Interactive Entertainment **
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** Tel: (415) 390-1460 **
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From: tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock)
Subject: Re: Israel's Expansion II
Nntp-Posting-Host: orion.oac.uci.edu
Organization: University of California, Irvine
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In article <93111.225707PP3903A@auvm.american.edu> Paul H. Pimentel <PP3903A@auvm.american.edu> writes:
>What gives Isreal the right to keep Jeruseleum?It is the home of the muslim a
>s well as jewish religion, among others.Heck, nobody ever mentions what Yitza
>k Shamir did forty orfifty yearsago which is terrorize westerners much in the
> way Abdul Nidal does today.Seems Isrealis are nowhere above Arabs, so theref
>ore they have a right to Jerusaleum as much as Isreal does.
If "ownership" were rightly based on "worthiness" there wouldn't be any owners.
What is your point?
As I understand it, Israel's "claim" on Jerusalem is based on 1) possession,
and 2) the absolutely CENTRAL (not second, not third) role it plays in jewish
identity.
--
______________________________________________________________________________
Tim Clock Ph.D./Graduate student
[tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu] Department of Politics and Society
"We have met the tel:(714)8565361/Fax:(714)8568441
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From: panvalka@cs.unc.edu (Anay Panvalkar)
Subject: Frame buffer question for X11R5 (Sun)
Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
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Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: hatteras.cs.unc.edu
X Window installation on a Sun4/470 with CG6 alone and with CG2 as
screen:0.0 and CG6 as screen:0.1.
Questions:
1) Are there any hardware configuration changes on the CG2 and/or
CG6 devices that need to be made other than pulling out and inserting the
CG2 frame buffer in the vme bus?
2) The CG6 is called a 'graphics accelerator' as apposed to a 'frame buffer'.
What is the significance of this to the X server and how do we install
the SunOS driver / X to be compatable.
-----------------------
I would appreciate any information on this.
I am posting this on the behalf of Dr. John Charlton (who does not have net
access). Please reply to him directly at charlton@bme.unc.edu or just send
it at this address and I will forward it.
Thank you for your help!
-Anay
panvalka@cs.unc.edu
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From: plkg_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Paul K. Gloger)
Subject: Mostly non-computer items (Rochester area)
Nntp-Posting-Host: uhura.cc.rochester.edu
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York
Lines: 51
SWELL ITEMS FOR SALE - HARDLY ANY COMPUTER STUFF
o LOTUS 1-2-3 Student Edition for DOS ...................... $10.00
This does just about everything that standard 1-2-3
Release 2.01 could do, but not as much of it. Worksheet
size is limited to 64 columns by 256 rows, there is no
translation facility (for importing data from other
packages), and the Student Edition does not write files
that can be accessed by Release 2.01. Includes manual,
original distribution diskettes (5 1/4" - 360K), and key
board templates.
o Subaru Service Manuals ................................... $10.00
This is not a complete set, but includes sections 4, 5
& 6 which cover MECHANICAL COMPONENTS (suspension, wheels
& axles, steering, brakes, pedals & control cables, heater
& ventilator, air conditioning), BODY (body & exterior,
doors & windows, seats, seat belts, interior, instrument
panel), and ELECTRICAL (engine electrical system, body
electrical system, wiring diagram, and trouble-shooting).
These are the genuine Subaru issue manuals. They are for
model year 1986, but have plenty of good information that
applies to other years as well.
o Miscellaneous Darkroom Equipment ........................ $75.00
Solar enlarger (several objective lenses) with easel and
timer, negative carriers for 35mm and 2 1/4 x 3 1/4, misc.
printing masks. Developing tanks, thermometer, trays,
constant-temperature bath, ground glass, mirrors, darkroom
lamps, glassware, el-cheap-o tripods..... and (as they say)
MUCH MORE!
o Beautiful Antique Buffet ............................... $1500.00
Solid cherry (no veneer). Handmade, with very interesting
dovetail corners in the drawers. Built (we think) around
1880. Not gaudy or covered with gew-gaws; a simple, elegant
piece of furniture, but too big (60" long, 37" tall, 24"
deep) for our little Cape Cod house.
Will deliver pricier items (ie, over $10) anywhere in the Rochester
area. (And will consider delivering the others.) Will deliver any
of it on (or near) UofR Campus between now and graduation.
Call or E-Mail: Paul or Mary
(716) 359-2350 (Just south of Rochester, NY)
plkg_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu
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From: roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig)
Subject: Re: Jewish Baseball Players?
Originator: news@nimaster
Nntp-Posting-Host: crux.princeton.edu
Reply-To: roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig)
Organization: Princeton University
Lines: 16
In article <1993Apr16.200100.23703@scott.skidmore.edu> jrogoff@scott.skidmore.edu (jay rogoff) writes:
>There is a book that you can find in sale catalogues occasionally
>called _Jewish Baseball Stars_, and baseball mavin Peter Bjarkman has
>compiled a pretty definitive list of Jewish ballplayers in the bigs.
I wish I hadn't sold my copy of Jewish Baseball Stars. It's a Short Shelf
(i.e., the one on top of the toilet tank) Special. The writing in that
books is so astonishingly awful -- every sportswriting cliche taken to
the nth degree and then mangled -- that it's funny.
Rusinow is the author, I think.
Roger
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From: tas@pegasus.com (Len Howard)
Subject: Re: Endometriosis
Summary: not that rare a condition
Organization: Pegasus, Honolulu
Lines: 17
In article <1993Apr16.032251.6606@rock.concert.net> naomi@rock.concert.net (Naomi T Courter) writes:
>
>can anyone give me more information regarding endometriosis? i heard
>it's a very common disease among women and if anyone can provide names
>of a specialist/surgeon in the north carolina research triangle park
>area (raleigh/durham/chapel hill) who is familiar with the condition,
>i would really appreciate it.
>thanks.
>--Naomi
Naomi, your best bet is to look in the Yellow Pages and find a listing
for OBGyn doc in the area you wish. Any OBGyn doc is familiar with
endometriosis and its treatments.
Shalom Len Howard MD
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From: darcym@fpddet4.mentorg.com (Darcy McCallum)
Subject: Keyboard mapping and window placement questions
Nntp-Posting-Host: fpddet4.mentorg.com
Organization: mentor
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These are two common subjects so I hope someone has had to deal with these
specific questions.
1. If my application depends on modifiers, what is the best lookup method?
My choices are to call XGetModifierMapping() for each key press with a
modifier, or make the call once at the init of the app and store the modifiers
in a lookup table. I would like to do it the second way, but I can't seem to
get the notify when the user uses xmodmap to remap the modifiers. I know that
when an app calls XSetModifierMapping() a MappingNotify event is generated
(non-maskable) which I can pick up and modify my internal table. But, I don't
seem to get any notify events when the user uses xmodmap. If I use Xt, all
O'Reilly has to say is '...is automatically handled by Xt...'. If I use Xlib, ala XNextEvent(), I get nothing. This all stems from problems with users of
the Sun 4/5 keyboard and the NumLock; plus various Alt/Meta/etc. modifier
requirements.
2. I would like to place a popup so that it will be to the immediate right
of my main window. I want it at the same y coord, and their right/left
sides touching. What I need to ask for is the x,y coord of the window
manager's border for the main window. This should ring a bell with anyone
who has called XtMoveWidget(), immediately checking the x,y after the move
and seeing that it is right, and in their next callback asking for the x,y
and seeing that it is now offset by the WM border.
Any help would be most appreciated.
Darcy
darcy_mccallum@mentorg.com
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From: hagenjd@wfu.edu (Jeff Hagen)
Subject: Improvements in Automatic Transmissions
Organization: Wake Forest University
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NNTP-Posting-Host: ac.wfunet.wfu.edu
Summary: query
Keywords: Saturn, Subaru, manual, automatic
The biggest hurdle for automatics (IMHO) is not shifting speed
per se, but rather the transmission's reaction speed when you
try to force it to shift manually.
This was the biggest fault with the Subaru ECVT -- it took SOOOOOO
LONNNNNNNNGGGGG for the tranny to find the right ratio.
The sales propaganda says the Saturn automatic is effectively an
electronically-shifted manual. Might this mean that Saturn has
conquered the problem? (I dunno, only driven Saturn 5-speeds)
INPUT, PLEASE!
Another question: Any plans for a manual-trans Chrysler LH?
Does anyone else out there fall asleep at night dreaming of this combo?
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From: filipe@vxcrna.cern.ch (VINCI)
Subject: Re: Krillean Photography
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN
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In article <1993Apr20.125920.15005@ircam.fr>, francis@ircam.fr (Joseph Francis) writes...
>In article <1993Apr19.205615.1013@unlv.edu> todamhyp@charles.unlv.edu (Brian M. Huey) writes:
>>I think that's the correct spelling..
>
>Crullerian.
>
How about Kirlian imaging ? I believe the FAQ for sci.skeptics (sp?)
has a nice write-up on this. They would certainly be most supportive
on helping you to build such a device and connect to a 120Kvolt
supply so that you can take a serious look at your "aura"... :-)
Filipe Santos
CERN - European Laboratory for Particle Physics
Switzerland
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From: cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah)
Subject: Re: Israeli Terrorism
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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Reply-To: cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu
tsiel writes:
>If indeed Israeli soldiers killed a "Hamas Mujahid" with an anti-tank missile
>then I'm almost sure that the "terrorist zionists" would not have been able
>to cut up a body which was probably desintegrated by the missile.
maybe the missile didn't hit directly such that his body
gets "desintegrated." of course, destroying 10 houses to
kill someone is not a surgical operation, or is it?
--
___________________ cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu _____________
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_____ H A M Z A ________) |-| |_ |-| | | foo i.e. most foo
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From: shaffer@achilles.ctd.anl.gov (Michael A. Shaffer)
Subject: Re: BATF/FBI revenge
Organization: Argonne National Laboratory
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Hmmm... I hadn't heard about rockets. ATF must be escalating their
tall tails... anyway
>If they had rocket launchers and such (as the press and gov claims) why
>shouldn't they have done something?
Why should they have "done something"? The Davidians had not attacked
or even threatened anyone.
>What possible use would a religious cult have for a rocket launcher?
It is not yours nor the governments right to tell others what they have
a legitimate right to own.
>Also, is child abuse covered by the Bill of Rights?
Is child abuse now within the jurisdiction of the department of the
treasury? Attacking citizens without due process on the strength of
unsubstantiated rumors about a violation of a law which does not
fall under your jurisdiction is a pretty serious breech of rights.
>Shit, if people dont get what they want right away there is an instant >problem.
>Clinton has only been in office for a few months. Give him a chance to get
>something done. The guy had a lot of shit thrown in his lap in the beginning.
>Give him a chance to work on things a little. As they say - Rome wasn't built
>in a day.
If he gets any more done we will really be in trouble!
mike
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From: jgreen@trumpet.calpoly.edu (James Thomas Green)
Subject: Re: Keeping Spacecraft on after Funding Cuts.
Article-I.D.: zeus.1993Apr22.003719.101323
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo
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prb@access.digex.com (Pat) Pontificated:
>
>
>Some birds require constant management for survival. Pointing a sensor at
>the sun, even when powered down, may burn it out. Pointing a
>parabolic antenna at Sol, from venus orbit may trash the
>foci elements.
>
What I was getting at in my post is whether or not it might be
possible to put enough brains on board future deep-space probes
for them to automatically avoid such things as looking at the
sun or going into an uncontrolled tumble.
I heard once that the voyagers had a failsafe routine built in
that essentially says "If you never hear from Earth again,
here's what to do." This was a back up in the event a receiver
burnt out but the probe could still send data (limited, but
still some data).
>Even if you let teh bird drift, it may get hosed by some
>cosmic phenomena.
>
Since this would be a shutdown that may never be refunded for
startup, if some type of cosmic BEM took out the probe, it might
not be such a big loss. Obviously you can't plan for
everything, but the most obvious things can be considered.
/~~~(-: James T. Green :-)~~~~(-: jgreen@oboe.calpoly.edu :-)~~~\
| "I know you believe you understand what it is that you |
| think I said. But I am not sure that you realize that |
| what I said is not what I meant." |
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From: Center for Policy Research <cpr@igc.apc.org>
Subject: Re: About this 'Center for Policy Resea
Nf-ID: #R:1qu75d$256@usenet.ins.cwru.edu:-1462127590:cdp:1483500350:000:1634
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cpr Apr 21 04:21:00 1993
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It seems to me that many readers of this conference are interested
who is behind the Center for Polict Research. I will oblige.
My name is Elias Davidsson, Icelandic citizen, born in Palestine. My
mother was thrown from Germany because she belonged to the 'undesirables'
(at that times this group was defined as 'Jews'). She was forced to go
to Palestine due to many cynical factors. I have meanwhile settled in
Iceland (30 years ago) and met many people who were thrown out from
my homeland, Palestine, because of the same reason (they belonged to
the 'indesirables'). These people include my neighbors in Jerusalem
with the children of whom I played as child. Their crime: Theyare
not Jews. My conscience does not accept such injustice, period. My
work for justice is done in the name of my principled opposition to racism
and racial discrimination. Those who protest against such practices
in Arab countries have my support - as long as their protest is based
on a principled position, but not as a tactic to deflect criticism
from Israel. The struggle against discrimination and racism is universal.
The Center for Policy Research is a name I gave to those activities
undertaken under my guidance in different domains, and which command
the support of many volunteers in Iceland. It is however not a formal
institution and works with minimal funds.
Professionally I am music teacher and composer. I have published
several pieces and my piano music is taught widely in Europe.
I would hope that discussion about Israel/Palestine be conducted in
a more civilized manner. Calling names is not helpful.
Elias Davidsson
ICELAND
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From: david@stat.com (David Dodell)
Subject: HICN610 Medical News Part 3/4
Reply-To: david@stat.com (David Dodell)
Distribution: world
Organization: Stat Gateway Service, WB7TPY
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University of Arizona
Tucson, Arizona
Suggested Reading
Tan SL, Royston P, Campbell S, Jacobs HS, Betts J, Mason B, Edwards RG (1992).
Cumulative conception and Livebirth rates after in-vitro fertilization. Lancet
339:1390-1394.
For further information, call:
Physicians' Resource Line
1-800-328-5868
in Tucson:
694-5868
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LOW LEVELS OF AIRBORNE PARTICLES LINKED
TO SERIOUS ASTHMA ATTACKS
American Lung Association
A new study published by the American Lung Association has shown that
surprisingly low concentrations of airborne particles can send people with
asthma rushing to emergency rooms for treatment.
The Seattle-based study showed that roughly one in eight emergency visits
for asthma in that city was linked to exposure to particulate air pollution.
The actual exposure levels recorded in the study were far below those deemed
unsafe under federal air quality laws.
"People with asthma have inflamed airways, and airborne particles tend to
exacerbate that inflammation," said Joel Schwartz, Ph.D., of the Environmental
Protection Agency, who was the lead author of the study. "When people are on
the threshold of having, a serious asthma attack, particles can push them over
the edge."
The Seattle Study correlated 13 months of asthma emergency room visits
with daily levels of PM,,,. or particulate matter with an aerodynamic diameter
of 10 microns or less. These finer particles are considered hazardous because
they are small enough penetrate into the lung. Cities are considered out of
compliance with clean air laws if the 24-hour average concentration of PM10
exceeds 150 micrograms per cubic millimeter of air.
In Seattle however, a link between fine particles and asthma was found at
levels as low as 30 micrograms. The authors concluded that for every 30
microgram increase in the four-day average of PM10, the odds of someone with
asthma needing emergency treatment increased by 12 percent.
The findings were published in the April American Review of Respiratory
Disease, an official journal of the American Thoracic Society, the Lung
Association's medical section.
The study is the latest in a series of recent reports to suggest that
particulate matter is a greatly under appreciated health threat. A 1992 study
by Dr. Schwartz and Douglas Dockery, Ph.D., of Harvard found that particles
may be causing roughly 60,000 premature deaths each year in the United States.
Other studies have linked particulate matter to increased respiratory symptoms
and bronchitis in children.
"Government officials and the media are still very focused on ozone,"
says Dr. Schwartz. "But more and more research is showing that particles are
bad actors as well." One problem in setting, standards for particulate
air pollution is that PMIO is difficult to study. Unlike other regulated
pollutants such as ozone and carbon monoxide, particulate matter is a complex
and varying mixture of substances, including carbon, hydrocarbons, dust, and
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acid aerosols.
"Researchers can't Put people in exposure chambers to study the effects
of particulate air pollution," says Dr. Schwartz. "We have no way of
duplicating the typical urban mix of particles. " Consequently, most of what
is known about particulates has been learned through population-based research
like the Seattle study.
Given that the EPA's current priority is to review the ozone and sulfur
dioxide standards, the agency is unlikely to reexamine the PM10 standard any
time soon. Until changes are made, there appears to be little people with
asthma can do to protect themselves from airborne particles.
"In some areas, you can get reports on air quality, but the reports only
cover the pollutant that is closest to violating its standard, and that's
rarely particulate matter," says Dr. Schwartz. "However, PM10 doesn't have
to be near its violation range to be unhealthy."
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Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993
NIH Consensus Development Conference on Melanoma
The National Institutes of Health Consensus Development Conference on
Diagnosis and Treatment of Early Melanoma brought together experts in
dermatology, pathology, epidemiology, public education, surveillance
techniques, and potential new technologies as well as other health care
professionals and the public to address (1) the clinical and histological
characteristics of early melanoma; (2) the appropriate diagnosis, management,
and followup of patients with early melanoma; (3) the role of dysplastic nevi
and their significance; and (4) the role of education and screening in
preventing melanoma morbidity and mortality. Following 2 days of
presentations by experts and discussion by the audience, a consensus panel
weighed the scientific evidence and prepared their consensus statement.
Among their findings, the panel recommended that (1) melanoma in situ is a
distinct entity effectively treated surgically with 0.5 centimeter margins;
(2) thin invasive melanoma, less than 1 millimeter thick, has the potential
for long-term survival in more than 90 percent of patients after surgical
excision with a 1 centimeter margin; (3) elective lymph node dissections and
extensive staging evaluations are not recommended in early melanoma; (4)
patients with early melanoma are at low risk for relapse but may be at high
risk for development of subsequent melanomas and should be followed closely;
(5) some family members of patients with melanoma are at increased risk for
melanoma and should be enrolled in surveillance programs; and (6) education
and screening programs have the potential to decrease morbidity and mortality
from melanoma.
A copy of the full text of the consensus panel's statement is available by
calling the NIH Office of Medical Applications of Research at (301) 496-1143
or by writing to: Office of Medical Applications of Research, National
Institutes of Health, Federal Building, Room 618, Bethesda, MD 20892.
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NCI-Designated Cancer Centers
The Cancer Centers Program is comprised of 55 NCI-designated Cancer Centers
actively engaged in multidisciplinary research efforts to reduce cancer
incidence, morbidity, and mortality. Within the program, there are four types
of cancer centers: basic science cancer centers (14), which engage primarily
in basic cancer research; clinical cancer centers (12), which focus on
clinical research; "comprehensive" cancer centers (28), which emphasize a
multidisciplinary approach to cancer research, patient care, and community
outreach; and consortium cancer centers (1), which specialize in cancer
prevention and control research.
Although some cancer centers existed in the late 1960s and the 1970s, it was
the National Cancer Act of 1971 that authorized the establishment of 15 new
cancer centers, as well as continuing support for existing ones. The passage
of the act also dramatically transformed the centers' structure and broadened
the scope of their mission to include all aspects of basic, clinical, and
cancer control research. Over the next two decades, the centers' program grew
progressively.
In 1990, there were 19 comprehensive cancer centers in the nation. Today,
there are 28 of these institutions, all of which meet specific NCI criteria
for comprehensive status.
To attain recognition from the NCI as a comprehensive cancer center, an
institution must pass rigorous peer review. Under guidelines newly
established in 1990, the eight criteria for "comprehensiveness" include the
requirement that a center have a strong core of basic laboratory research in
several scientific fields, such as biology and molecular genetics, a strong
program of clinical research, and an ability to transfer research findings
into clinical practice.
Moreover, five of the criteria for comprehensive status go significantly
beyond that required for attaining a Cancer Center Support Grant (also
referred to as a P30 or core grant), the mechanism of choice for supporting
the infrastructure of a cancer center's operations. These criteria encompass
strong participation in NCI-designated high-priority clinical trials,
significant levels of cancer prevention and control research, and important
outreach and educational activities--all of which are funded by a variety of
sources.
The other types of cancer centers also have special characteristics and
capabilities for organizing new programs of research that can exploit
important new findings or address timely research questions.
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Of the 55 NCI-designated Cancer Centers, 14 are of the basic science type.
These centers engage almost entirely in basic research, although some centers
engage in collaborative research with outside clinical research investigators
and in cooperative projects with industry to generate medical applications
from new discoveries in the laboratory.
Clinical cancer centers, in contrast, focus on both basic research and
clinical research within the same institutional framework, and frequently
incorporate nearby affiliated clinical research institutions into their
overall research programs. There are 12 such centers today.
Finally, consortium cancer centers, of which there is one, are uniquely
structured and concentrate on clinical research and cancer prevention and
control research. These centers interface with state and local public health
departments for the purpose of achieving the transfer of effective prevention
and control techniques from their research findings to those institutions
responsible for implementing population-wide public health programs.
Consortium centers also are heavily engaged in collaborations with
institutions that conduct clinical trial research and coordinate community
hospitals within a network of cooperating institutions in clinical trials.
Together, the 55 NCI-Designated Cancer Centers continue to work toward
creating new and innovative approaches to cancer research, and through
interdisciplinary efforts, to effectively move this research from the
laboratory into clinical trials and into clinical practice.
Comprehensive Cancer Centers (Internet addresses are given where available)
University of Alabama at Birmingham Comprehensive Cancer Center
Basic Health Sciences Building, Room 108
1918 University Boulevard
Birmingham, Alabama 35294
(205) 934-6612
University of Arizona Cancer Center
1501 North Campbell Avenue
Tucson, Arizona 85724
(602) 626-6372
Internet: syd@azcc.arizona.edu
Jonsson Comprehensive Cancer Center
University of California at Los Angeles
200 Medical Plaza
Los Angeles, California 90027
(213) 206-0278
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Internet: rick@jccc.medsch.ucla.edu
Kenneth T. Norris Jr. Comprehensive Cancer Center
University of Southern California
1441 Eastlake Avenue
Los Angeles, California 90033-0804
(213) 226-2370
Yale University Comprehensive Cancer Center
333 Cedar Street
New Haven, Connecticut 06510
(203) 785-6338
Lombardi Cancer Research Center
Georgetown University Medical Center
3800 Reservoir Road, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20007
(202) 687-2192
Sylvester Comprehensive Cancer Center
University of Miami Medical School
1475 Northwest 12th Avenue
Miami, Florida 33136
(305) 548-4800
Internet: hlam@mednet.med.miami.edu
Johns Hopkins Oncology Center
600 North Wolfe Street
Baltimore, Maryland 21205
(410) 955-8638
Dana-Farber Cancer Institute
44 Binney Street
Boston, Massachusetts 02115
(617) 732-3214
Internet: Kristie_Stevenson@macmailgw.dfci.harvard.edu
Meyer L. Prentis Comprehensive Cancer Center of Metropolitan
Detroit
110 East Warren Avenue
Detroit, Michigan 48201
(313) 745-4329
Internet: cummings%oncvx1.dnet@rocdec.roc.wayne.edu
University of Michigan Cancer Center
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101 Simpson Drive
Ann Arbor, Michigan 48109-0752
(313) 936-9583
BITNET: kallie.bila.michels@um.cc.umich.edu
Mayo Comprehensive Cancer Center
200 First Street Southwest
Rochester, Minnesota 55905
(507) 284-3413
Norris Cotton Cancer Center
Dartmouth-Hitchcock Medical Center
One Medical Center Drive
Lebanon, New Hampshire 03756
(603) 646-5505
BITNET: edward.bresnick@dartmouth.edu
Roswell Park Cancer Institute
Elm and Carlton Streets
Buffalo, New York 14263
(716) 845-4400
Columbia University Comprehensive Cancer Center
College of Physicians and Surgeons
630 West 168th Street
New York, New York 10032
(212) 305-6905
Internet: janie@cuccfa.ccc.columbia.edu
Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center
1275 York Avenue
New York, New York 10021
(800) 525-2225
Kaplan Cancer Center
New York University Medical Center
462 First Avenue
New York, New York 10016-9103
(212) 263-6485
UNC Lineberger Comprehensive Cancer Center
University of North Carolina School of Medicine
Chapel Hill, North Carolina 27599
(919) 966-4431
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Duke Comprehensive Cancer Center
P.O. Box 3814
Durham, North Carolina 27710
(919) 286-5515
Cancer Center of Wake Forest University at the Bowman Gray School
of Medicine
300 South Hawthorne Road
Winston-Salem, North Carolina 27103
(919) 748-4354
Internet: ccwfumail@phs.bgsm.wfu.edu
Ohio State University Comprehensive Cancer Center
300 West 10th Avenue
Columbus, Ohio 43210
(614) 293-5485
Internet: dyoung@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Fox Chase Cancer Center
7701 Burholme Avenue
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 19111
(215) 728-2570
Internet: s_davis@fccc.edu
University of Pennsylvania Cancer Center
3400 Spruce Street
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 19104
(215) 662-6364
Pittsburgh Cancer Institute
200 Meyran Avenue
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 15213-2592
(800) 537-4063
The University of Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center
1515 Holcombe Boulevard
Houston, Texas 77030
(713) 792-3245
Vermont Cancer Center
University of Vermont
1 South Prospect Street
Burlington, Vermont 05401
(802) 656-4580
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Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center
1124 Columbia Street
Seattle, Washington 98104
(206) 667-4675
Internet: sedmonds@cclink.fhcrc.org
University of Wisconsin Comprehensive Cancer Center
600 Highland Avenue
Madison, Wisconsin 53792
(608) 263-8600
BITNET: carbone@uwccc.biostat.wisc.edu
Clinical Cancer Centers
University of California at San Diego Cancer Center
225 Dickinson Street
San Diego, California 92103
(619) 543-6178
Internet: dedavis@ucsd.edu
City of Hope National Medical Center
Beckman Research Institute
1500 East Duarte Road
Duarte, California 91010
(818) 359-8111 ext. 2292
University of Colorado Cancer Center
4200 East 9th Avenue, Box B188
Denver, Colorado 80262
(303) 270-7235
University of Chicago Cancer Research Center
5841 South Maryland Avenue, Box 444
Chicago, Illinois 60637
(312) 702-6180
Internet: judith@delphi.bsd.uchicago.edu
Albert Einstein College of Medicine
1300 Morris Park Avenue
Bronx, New York 10461
(212) 920-4826
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University of Rochester Cancer Center
601 Elmwood Avenue, Box 704
Rochester, New York 14642
(716) 275-4911
Internet: rickb@wotan.medicine.rochester.edu
Ireland Cancer Center Case Western Reserve University
University Hospitals of Cleveland
2074 Abington Road
Cleveland, Ohio 44106
(216) 844-5432
Roger Williams Cancer Center
Brown University
825 Chalkstone Avenue
Providence, Rhode Island 02908
(401) 456-2071
St. Jude Children's Research Hospital
332 North Lauderdale Street
Memphis, Tennessee 38101-0318
(901) 522-0306
Internet: meyer@mbcf.stjude.org
Institute for Cancer Research and Care
4450 Medical Drive
San Antonio, Texas 78229
(512) 616-5580
Utah Regional Cancer Center
University of Utah Health Sciences Center
50 North Medical Drive, Room 2C110
Salt Lake City, Utah 84132
(801) 581-4048
BITNET: hogan@cc.utah.edu
Massey Cancer Center
Medical College of Virginia
Virginia Commonwealth University
1200 East Broad Street
Richmond, Virginia 23298
(804) 786-9641
Consortia
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Drew-Meharry-Morehouse Consortium Cancer Center
1005 D.B. Todd Boulevard
Nashville, Tennessee 37208
(615) 327-6927
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THE UCI MEDICAL EDUCATION SOFTWARE REPOSITORY
This is to announce the establishment of an FTP site at the University of
California, for the collection of shareware, public-domain software and other
information relating to Medical Education.
Specifically, we are interested in establishing this site as a clearinghouse
for personally developed software that has been developed for local medical
education programs. We welcome all contributions that may be shared with
other users.
To connect to the UCI Medical Education Software Repository, ftp to:
FTP.UCI.EDU
The Repository currently offers both MSDOS and Macintosh software, and we hope
to support other operating systems (UNIX, MUMPS, AMIGA?).
Uploads are welcome. We actively solicit information and software which you
have personaly developed or have found useful in your local medical education
efforts, either as an instructor or student.
Once you have connected to the site via FTP, cd (change directory) to either
the med-ed/mac/incoming or the med-ed/msdos/incoming directories, change the
mode to binary and "send" or "put" your files. Note that you won't be able to
see the files with the "ls" or "dir" commands. Please compress your files as
appropriate to the operating system (ZIP for MSDOS; Compactor or something
similar for Macintosh) to save disk space.
After uploading, please send email to Steve Clancy (slclancy@uci.edu) (for
MSDOS) or Albert Saisho (saisho@uci.edu) (for MAC) describing the file(s) you
have uploaded and any other information we might need to describe it.
Note that we can only accept software or information that has been designated
as shareware, public-domain or that may otherwise be distributed freely.
Please do not upload commercial software! Doing so may jeopardize the
existence of this FTP site.
If you wish to upload software for other operating systems, please contact
either Steve Clancy, M.L.S. or Albert Saisho, M.D. at the addresses above.
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AIDS News Summaries
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AIDS Daily Summary
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) National AIDS
Clearinghouse makes available the following information as a public service
only. Providing this information does not constitute endorsement by the CDC,
the CDC Clearinghouse, or any other organization. Reproduction of this text
is encouraged; however, copies may not be sold. Copyright 1993, Information,
Inc., Bethesda, MD
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April 12, 1993
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"NIH Set to Test Multiple AIDS Vaccines" Reuters (04/08/93) (Frank,
Jacqueline)
Washington--The Clinton administration will permit the National
Institutes of Health to test multiple AIDS vaccines instead of only allowing
the Army to test a single vaccine, administration sources said Thursday. The
decision ends the controversy between Army AIDS researchers who had hoped to
test a vaccine made by MicroGeneSys Inc. and the National Institutes of
Health, which contended that multiple vaccines should be tested. Health and
Human Services Secretary Donna Shalala said a final announcement on the
therapeutic vaccine trials was expected to be made last Friday. Companies
including Genentech Inc., Chiron Corp., and Immuno AG have already told NIH
that they are prepared to participate in the vaccine tests. The testing is
intended to demonstrate whether AIDS vaccines are effective in thwarting the
replication of HIV in patients already infected. Shalala refuted last week's
reports that the Clinton administration had decided the Army's test of the
MicroGeneSys VaxSyn should proceed without tests of others at the same time.
"The report was inaccurate, and I expect there to be some announcement in the
next 24 hours about that particular AIDS research project," said Shalala.
Administration sources subsequently confirmed that NIH director Dr. Bernadine
Healy and Food and Drug Administration Commissioner David Kessler had
convinced the White House that multiple vaccines should be tested
simultaneously. But MicroGeneSys president Frank Volvovitz said a test of
multiple vaccines could triple the cost of the trial and delay it by two
years.
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"The Limits of AZT's Impact on HIV" U.S. News & World Report (04/12/93) Vol.
114, No. 14, P. 18
AZT has become the most widely used drug to fight AIDS since it was
approved by the Food and Drug Administration in 1987. Burroughs Wellcome,
the manufacturer of AZT, made $338 million last year alone from sales of the
drug. However, a team of European researchers recently reported that
although HIV-positive patients taking AZT demonstrated a slightly lower risk
of developing AIDS within the first year of treatment, that benefit
disappeared two years later. The Lancet published preliminary findings of
the three-year study, which could give more reason for critics to argue the
drug's cost, side effects, and general efficacy. Even though U.S.
researchers concede the study was more comprehensive than American trials,
many argue the European researchers' suggestion that HIV-positive patients
experience little improvement in their illness before the development of
AIDS symptoms. In addition, researchers have long been familiar with the
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From: timmbake@mcl.ucsb.edu (Bake Timmons)
Subject: Re: Amusing atheists and agnostics
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James Hogan writes:
timmbake@mcl.ucsb.edu (Bake Timmons) writes:
>>Jim Hogan quips:
>>... (summary of Jim's stuff)
>>Jim, I'm afraid _you've_ missed the point.
>>>Thus, I think you'll have to admit that atheists have a lot
>>more up their sleeve than you might have suspected.
>>Nah. I will encourage people to learn about atheism to see how little atheists
>>have up their sleeves. Whatever I might have suspected is actually quite
>>meager. If you want I'll send them your address to learn less about your
>>faith.
>Faith?
Yeah, do you expect people to read the FAQ, etc. and actually accept hard
atheism? No, you need a little leap of faith, Jimmy. Your logic runs out
of steam!
>>>Fine, but why do these people shoot themselves in the foot and mock
>>>the idea of a God? ....
>>>I hope you understand now.
>>Yes, Jim. I do understand now. Thank you for providing some healthy sarcasm
>>that would have dispelled any sympathies I would have had for your faith.
>Bake,
>Real glad you detected the sarcasm angle, but am really bummin' that
>I won't be getting any of your sympathy. Still, if your inclined
>to have sympathy for somebody's *faith*, you might try one of the
>religion newsgroups.
>Just be careful over there, though. (make believe I'm
>whispering in your ear here) They're all delusional!
Jim,
Sorry I can't pity you, Jim. And I'm sorry that you have these feelings of
denial about the faith you need to get by. Oh well, just pretend that it will
all end happily ever after anyway. Maybe if you start a new newsgroup,
alt.atheist.hard, you won't be bummin' so much?
>Good job, Jim.
>.
>Bye, Bake.
>>[more slim-Jim (tm) deleted]
>Bye, Bake!
>Bye, Bye!
Bye-Bye, Big Jim. Don't forget your Flintstone's Chewables! :)
--
Bake Timmons, III
-- "...there's nothing higher, stronger, more wholesome and more useful in life
than some good memory..." -- Alyosha in Brothers Karamazov (Dostoevsky)
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From: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan)
Subject: Re: Where are they now?
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
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In article <1ql0d3$5vo@dr-pepper.East.Sun.COM> geoff@East.Sun.COM (Geoff Arnold @ Sun BOS - R.H. coast near the top) writes:
>Your posting provoked me into checking my save file for memorable
>posts. The first I captured was by Ken Arromdee on 19 Feb 1990, on the
>subject "Re: atheist too?". That was article #473 here; your question
>was article #53766, which is an average of about 48 articles a day for
>the last three years. As others have noted, the current posting rate is
>such that my kill file is depressing large...... Among the posting I
>saved in the early days were articles from the following notables:
Hey, it might to interesting to read some of these posts...
Especially from ones who still regularly posts on alt.atheism!
>>From: loren@sunlight.llnl.gov (Loren Petrich)
>>From: jchrist@nazareth.israel.rel (Jesus Christ of Nazareth)
>>From: mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (Mark Crispin)
>>From: perry@apollo.HP.COM (Jim Perry)
>>From: lippard@uavax0.ccit.arizona.edu (James J. Lippard)
>>From: minsky@media.mit.edu (Marvin Minsky)
>
>An interesting bunch.... I wonder where #2 is?
Hee hee hee.
*I* ain't going to say....
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From: erme@pobox.upenn.edu (Erme Maula)
Subject: Re: Macs suck! Buy a PC!
Organization: University of Pennsylvania
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From: VEAL@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal)
Subject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card
Lines: 128
Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education
In article <CMM.0.90.2.735132009.thomasp@surt.ifi.uio.no> Thomas Parsli <thomasp@ifi.uio.no> writes:
>
>Abuse by the goverment:
>This seems to be one of the main problems; Any harder gun-control
>would just be abused by the goverment.(!)
>Either some of you are a little paranoid (no offence...)
Mr. Parsli, I have to take exception at this. There are
verifiable, previous *examples* of levels of U.S. governments
abusing gun-control restrictions. I don't think it is paranoid
to worry that what has been abused in the recent past might be abused
in thye future. After so many times of getting burned any sane person
will stop putting his hand on the stove.
>OR you should
>get a new goverment. (You do have elections??)
I'd love to. But as long as the politicians grab power to sell
pork back to their constituents, there's not a lot I can do.
It's silly to suggest that if there's anything we can't trust
the government to do, and therefore the government should be allowed
to do it, then we should change governments. Down that road lies
total government power. I've never been a fan of totalitarianism.
>Guns 'n Criminals:
>MOST weapons used by criminals today are stolen.
This is very likely.
>Known criminals can NOT buy weapons, that's one of the points of gun control.
>And because gun control are strict in WHOLE scandinavia (and most of europe),
>we dont have any PROBLEM with smuggled guns.
The North American Continent is not Europe, no matter how many
people would like it to be. Drugs are very illegal and they're
here. For years Canada has crowed about its gun control. If it is
necessary to control guns over the whole continent, then Canada should
have always had comparable rates to the U.S., yet they still don't.
Unless you can tell me why the Canadian border is so much more
magical than the Mexican border (which is shorter and far more
heavily patrolled) then I really can't accept that argument.
>Mixing weapons and things that can be use as one:
>What I meant was that cars CAN kill, but they are not GUNS!
No, there are approximately 31,000 deaths due to guns in the U.S.,
two-thirds of which are suicides. (Unfortunately I don't have suicide
rates for Norway.) However, this makes the per-gun death rate about
half the per-car death rate.
>The issue (I hope..):
>I think we all agree that the criminals are the main problem.
>Guns are not a problem, but the way they are used is.... (and what are they for??)
>
>I think this discusion is interesting when you think of (ex)Jugoslavia:
>They should all have weapons, it's their rigth to have them, and if they use them
>to kill other (Innocent) people the problem is humans, not guns.
The problem's been humans since before we had stone axes. The
fct of the matter is simply this: If nobody ever assaulted anybody,
whether there is a weapon of any sort around would be totally
irrelevent.
Yet weapons are *built*. I'd suggest, then, that the murderous
impulse in humanity pre-dates weapons.
Anyway, the Bosnians et al. have been making an excellent attempt
to kill each other for half a thousand years. Taking away their guns, even
if we could, would neither halt the killing nor reduce the brutality.
>If 50% of ALL murders was done with axes, would you impose some regulations on them
>or just say that they are ment to be used at trees, and that the axe is not a problem,
>it's the 'axer' ??
>(An example, don't flame me just because not exactly 50% are killed by guns...)
In the U.S., approximately 60% of murders are commited with firearms.
(50% with handguns, 10% with non-handguns.) The reason I say that guns, per
se, are not the problem, is that our non-gun rate exceeds most of Europe's
countries *entire* violent crime rate. I don't really think we've got
more knives or fists.
In any case, I think examples of gun control *applied* to the U.S.
have been abkect failures, just like drug prohibition and other forms
of prohibition. Until you deal with *why* people are doing what they
are doing, you won't solve your problem. And if the problem is
violent crime, you shouldn't concentrate on the tools instead. The
*vast* majority of guns is never, ever misused. (On the order of
99.5% over the entire lifetime of the gun). This says to me that
you can't make the argument that the gun itself causes the misuse.
>Think about the situation in Los Angeles where people are buying guns to protect
>themselves. Is this a good situation ??
The situation is not "good" in that people fear for their lives.
But recall the scenes of the store-owners during the last riots,
protecting their shops with guns. Would it have been better they,
too, lost their livelihoods?
>Is it the rigth way to deal with the problem ??
The problem of poverty and rage in Los Angeles, no it isn't.
However, if that problem becomes a violent action, then yes, it can
be appropriate. Whether or not some person has been hurt by their condition
won't make me less dead if they burn down my house with me in it.
You have to examine which problem you're referring to. If
you're discussing someone violently assaulting you, then it is
a perfectly legitimate response to make them stop. (Hopefully
simply letting them know you're prepared to shoot them would be enough,
as it was with the above-mentioned store-owners.)
>If everybody buys guns to protect themselves from criminals (and their neighbor who have
>guns) what do you think will happen ?? (I mean if everybody had a gun in USA)
45% of Households have some form of firearm, usually a long gun.
That accounts for a level of access for at least 100 million Americans.
Firearm ownership is most likely among educated, well-off whites, the
group *least* likely to be involved in violent crime.
You may take that for what it's worth.
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PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu - "I still remember the way you laughed, the day
your pushed me down the elevator shaft; I'm beginning to think you don't
love me anymore." - "Weird Al"
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From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)
Subject: Re: <Political Atheists?
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk> writes:
>>Perhaps we shouldn't imprision people if we could watch them closely
>>instead. The cost would probably be similar, especially if we just
>>implanted some sort of electronic device.
>Why wait until they commit the crime? Why not implant such devices in
>potential criminals like Communists and atheists?
Sorry, I don't follow your reasoning. You are proposing to punish people
*before* they commit a crime? What justification do you have for this?
keith
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From: joel@cs.mcgill.ca (Joel MALARD)
Subject: Bone marrow sclerosis.
Summary: Information sought.
Keywords: Severely low blood cell count
Nntp-Posting-Host: binkley.cs.mcgill.ca
Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada
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I am looking for information on possible causes and long term effects
of bone marrow sclerosis. I would also be thankful if anyone reading
this newsgroup could list some recognized treatment centers if anything
else than massive blood transfusion can be effective. If you plan on
a "go to the library"-style reply, please be kind enough to add a list
of suggested topics or readings: Medicine is not my field.
Regards,
Joel Malard.
joel@cs.mcgill.ca
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From: bh437292@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Basil Hamdan)
Subject: Re: was:Go Hezbollah!
Reply-To: bh437292@lance.colostate.edu
Nntp-Posting-Host: parry.lance.colostate.edu
Organization: Engineering College, Colorado State University
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In article <1993Apr15.224353.24945@das.harvard.edu>, adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) writes:
|> Tell me, do these young men also attack Syrian troops?
In the South Lebanon area, only Israeli (and SLA) and Lebanese troops
are present.
Syrian troops are deployed north of the Awali river. Between the
Awali river and the "Security Zone" only Lebanese troops are stationed.
|>
|> >with the blood of its soldiers. If Israel is interested in peace,
|> >than it should withdraw from OUR land.
|>
|> There must be a guarantee of peace before this happens. It
|> seems that many of these Lebanese youth are unable to restrain
|> themselves from violence, and unable to to realize that their actions
|> prolong Israels stay in South Lebanon.
That is your opinion and the opinion of the Israeli government.
I agree peace guarantees would be better for all, but I am addressing
the problem as it stands now. Hopefully a comprehensive peace settlement
will be concluded soon, and will include security guarantees for
both sides. My proposal was aimed at decreasing the casualties
in the interim period. In my opinion, if Israel withdraws
unilaterally it would still be better off than staying.
The Israeli gov't obviously agrees with you and is not willing
to do such a move. I hope to be be able to change your opinion
and theirs, that's why I post to tpm.
|> If the Lebanese army was able to maintain the peace, then
|> Israel would not have to be there. Until it is, Israel prefers that
|> its soldiers die rather than its children.
As I explained, I contend that if Israel does withdraw unilaterally
I believe no attacks would ensue against northern Israel. I also
explained why I believe that to be the case. My suggestion
is aimed at reducing the level of tension and casualties on all sides.
It is unfortunate that Israel does not agree with my opinion.
|>
|> >If Israel really wants to save some Israeli lives it would withdraw
|> >unilaterally from the so-called "Security Zone" before the conclusion
|> >of the peace talks. Such a move would save Israeli lives,
|> >advance peace efforts, give Israel a great moral lift, better Israel's
|> >public image abroad and give it an edge in the peace negociations
|> >since Israel can rightly claim that it is genuinely interested in
|> >peace and has already offered some important concessions.
|>
|> Israel should withdraw from Lebanon when a peace treaty is
|> signed. Not a day before. Withdraw because of casualties would tell
|> the Lebanese people that all they need to do to push Israel around is
|> kill a few soldiers. Its not gonna happen.
That is too bad.
|> >Along with such a withdrawal Israel could demand that Hizbollah
|> >be disarmed by the Lebanese government and warn that it will not
|> >accept any attacks against its northern cities and that if such a
|> >shelling occurs than it will consider re-taking the buffer zone
|> >and will hold the Lebanese and Syrian government responsible for it.
|>
|>
|> Why should Israel not demand this while holding the buffer
|> zone? It seems to me that the better bargaining position is while
|> holding your neighbors land.
Because Israel is not occupying the "Security Zone" free of charge.
It is paying the price for that. Once Israel withdraws it may have
lost a bargaining chip at the negociating table but it would save
some soldiers' lives, that is my contention.
If Lebanon were willing to agree to
|> those conditions, Israel would quite probably have left already.
|> Unfortunately, it doesn't seem that the Lebanese can disarm the
|> Hizbolah, and maintain the peace.
That is completely untrue. Hizbollah is now a minor force in Lebanese
politics. The real heavy weights are Syria's allies. The gov't is
supported by Syria. The Lebanese Army is over 30,000 troops and
unified like never before. Hizbollah can have no moral justification
in attacking Israel proper, especially after Israeli withdrawal.
That would draw the ire of the Lebanese the Syrian and the
Israeli gov'ts. If Israel does withdraw and such an act
(Hizbolllah attacking Israel) would be akin to political and moral
suicide.
Basil
|> Adam
|> Adam Shostack adam@das.harvard.edu
|>
|> "If we had a budget big enough for drugs and sexual favors, we sure
|> wouldn't waste them on members of Congress..." -John Perry Barlow
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From: laszlo@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu (Laszlo Nemeth)
Subject: New DoD listing. Membership is at 1148
Nntp-Posting-Host: eclipse.cs.colorado.edu
Organization: University of Colorado Boulder, Pizza Disposal Group
Lines: 23
There is a new DoD listing. To get a copy use one of these commands:
finger motohead@cs.colorado.edu
OR
mail motohead@cs.colorado.edu
If you send mail make sure your "From" line is correct (ie "man vacation").
I will not try at all to fix mail problems (unless they are mine ;-). And I
may just publicly tell the world what a bad mailer you have. I do scan the
mail to find bounces but I will not waste my time answering your questions
or requests.
For those of you that want to update your entry or get a # contact the KotL.
Only the KotL can make changes. SO STOP BOTHERING ME WITH INANE MAIL
I will not tell what "DoD" is! Ask rec.motorcycles. I do not give out the #'s.
Laszlo Nemeth
laszlo@cs.colorado.edu
"hey - my tool works (yeah, you can quote me on that)." From elef@Sun.COM
"Flashbacks = free drugs."
DoD #0666 UID #1999
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From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine)
Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post
Organization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division
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In article <ls1v14INNjml@earth.cs.utexas.edu> mcguire@cs.utexas.edu (Tommy Marcus McGuire) writes:
>
>Obcountersteer: For some reason, I've discovered that pulling on the
>wrong side of the handlebars (rather than pushing on the other wrong
>side, if you get my meaning) provides a feeling of greater control. For
>example, rather than pushing on the right side to lean right to turn
>right (Hi, Lonny!), pulling on the left side at least until I get leaned
>over to the right feels more secure and less counter-intuitive. Maybe
>I need psychological help.
I told a newbie friend of mine, who was having trouble from the complicated
explanations of his rider course, to think of using the handlebars to lean,
not to turn. Push the right handlebar "down" (or pull left up or whatever)
to lean right. It worked for him, he stopped steering with his tuchus.
I've bike like | Jody Levine DoD #275 kV
got a you can if you -PF | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
ride it | Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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From: dick@ahold.nl (Dick Heijne)
Subject: Is TEK quitting Xterm activities ???
Organization: Ahold NV, Zaandam, Netherlands, EEC
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I caught up a mailmessage from an NCD guy, who stated that Tek
might be quitting it's X terminal activities and would be looking
for an interested buyer.
Since the source of this message is NCD, THIS MIGHT ONLY BE NASTY
GOSSIP !!!
Can anyone say more about this??
Dick.
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Organization: Penn State University
From: <DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI
Distribution: world
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In article <1qmgtrINNf2a@dns1.NMSU.Edu>, bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB) says:
>DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>>In article <1qlbrlINN7rk@dns1.NMSU.Edu>, bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB) says:
>>>In PC Magazine April 27, 1993:29 "Although SCSI is twice as fasst as ESDI,
>>>20% faster than IDE, and support up to 7 devices its acceptance ...has
>>>long been stalled by incompatability problems and installation headaches."
>>I love it when magazine writers make stupid statements like that re:
>>performance. Where do they get those numbers? I'll list the actual
>>performance ranges, which should convince anyone that such a
>>statement is absurd:
>>SCSI-I ranges from 0-5MB/s.
>>SCSI-II ranges from 0-40MB/s.
>>IDE ranges from 0-8.3MB/s.
>>ESDI is always 1.25MB/s (although there are some non-standard versions)
>By your OWN data the "Although SCSI is twice as fast as ESDI" is correct
(How is 0-40 twice 1.25? Do you just pick whatever SCSI setup that makes
the statment "correct"?)
Even if you could make such a statement it would be meaningless unless
you understood that ESDI and IDE (I include SCSI and ATA) are
completely different (ESDI is device-level, like MFM/RLL).
>With a SCSI-2 controller chip SCSI-1 can reach 10MB/s which is indeed
>"20% faster than IDE" {120% of 8.3 is 9.96}. ALL these SCSI facts have been
Great, you can compare two numbers (ATA has several speed modes, by the
way) but what the article said was misleading/wrong.
>posted to this newsgroup in my Mac & IBM info sheet {available by FTP on
>sumex-aim.stanford.edu (36.44.0.6) in the info-mac/report as
>mac-ibm-compare[version #].txt (It should be 173 but 161 may still be there)}
I would recommend people call the NCR board and download the ANSI specs
if they are really interested in this stuff.
>Part of this problem is both Mac and IBM PC are inconsiant about what SCSI
>is which. Though it is WELL documented that the Quadra has a SCSI-2 chip
>an Apple salesperson said "it uses a fast SCSI-1 chip" {Not at a 6MB/s,
>10MB/s burst it does not. SCSI-1 is 5MB/s maximum synchronous and Quadra
>uses ANsynchronous SCSI which is SLOWER} It seems that Mac and IBM see
Something is missing there. :) Anyway, I agree. There's a lot of
opportunity for marketing jingo like "SCSI-2 compliant" which tells
you nothing about the performance, whether it has "WIDE" support, etc.
>One reference for the Quadra's SCSI-2 controller chip is
>(Digital Review, Oct 21, 1991 v8 n33 p8(1)).
What does it use? Hopefully a good NCR chip (e.g. 53c710)
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From: caldwell@facman.ohsu.edu (Larry Caldwell)
Subject: Re: Merlin, Mithras and Magick
Organization: Oregon Health Sciences University
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In response to: Whitten@Fwva.Saic.Com (David Whitten):
I wrote:
>>There evidently was a feast of bread and wine associated with Mithras. I
>>have often wondered if Yeshua intentionally introduced this ritual to
>>expand the appeal of his religion, or if it was appropriated by later
>>worshipers.
And you responded:
>You could argue that if you wanted, but I think a more reasonable
>argument would point out the fact that the remembrance feast was
>very similar to the Pesach (Passover) meal during Seder, a very
>Jewish ritual.
Of course. The feast WAS the Seder, and the accounts of it are very clear
on this point.
The difference is the connection between the bread and wine and the body
and blood of god. This is an old association of the Tammuz/Osiris/Mithras
line, and not really related to Judaism. In any case, I didn't really
intend to argue the point. I saw a possible association and pointed it
out, but I haven't the foggiest notion what really happened.
--
-- Larry Caldwell caldwell@ohsu.edu CompuServe 72210,2273
Oregon Health Sciences University. (503) 494-2232
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From: williac@govonca.gov.on.ca (Chris Williams)
Subject: Re: STOP MAYNARD BASHING!!!! (was Re: Roger Maynard)
Keywords: not fair, inconsiderate post
Organization: Government of Ontario
Distribution: world
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In <1993Apr16.225806.10680@julian.uwo.ca> lee139@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (Steve Lee) writes:
>In article <1993Apr16.213024.8698@sol.UVic.CA> gballent@hudson.UVic.CA writes:
>>Does anyone recieve annoying email from Roger Maynard whenever they post an
>>article telling them to leave him alon and stop posting to the group??
>>These emails are filled with insults- more than are usual in Roger's posts
>>and have little if any hockey info.
>>I have recieved two in the last 2 days.
>>I am just wondering if I am special or Roger trys to bully everyone who
>>disagrees with him.
>>
>>Gregmeister
>>
>You can't be serious! I and many of my colleagues have not received any
>bad e-mails from Roger, in fact, Roger happens to have answered most if not
>all of my hockey questions and curiosities, so before you start flaming
>at me or Roger, better re-consider your nasty attitude towards Roger and the
>like!
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Steve Lee * University of Western Ontario * London, Canada
> lee139@obelix.gaul.csd.uwo.ca
>_______________________________________________________________________________
Speaking of Roger, where is his comments from last nights game. You have
to admit he can make a nothing game sound like it was game 7 of the
Stanley Cup finals.
Roger pushes the Leafs so much it even bothers me, a long time supporter
but he does have a good overall idea of the game.
Wow I just gave R.M a compliment, guess I better stop it with the Rye +
Water before I give him another..
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From: mirsky@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (David Joshua Mirsky)
Subject: Re: Desktop rebuild and Datadesk keyboard?
Organization: dis
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In article <C5I77w.3oE@cs.uiuc.edu> tthiel@cs.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel) writes:
>Ijust got a new Datadesk 101E keyboard to go with my new Centris 610 and have a
>problem doing desktop rebuilds. I hold down the Command and Option keys and
>restart but nothing happens. The DIP switches are set the right way and the
>Command and Option keys seem to work on anything else. I'm running 7.1 btw.
>Anyone know what the problem is?
>-Terry
Terry, hi. I recently bought an LCIII and a Datadesk 101E. I can't
remember trying to rebuild the desktop with it, however it did give me
a strange problem. When I held down shift during startup to disable
all extensions, nothing happened. I tried it with another keyboard, using
the same adb connector cable- and it worked with the other keyboard.
The shift key on the Datadesk keyboard worked well otherwise. I checked
the dipswitches and they are fine. Try disabling your extensions and tell
me if it works.
I am annoyed with Datadesk. I sent them the keyboard in the mail for
inspection/repair/replacement. The technician on the phone said they
have a 10-14 day turn around time- meaning you should receive the
inspected/repaired keyboard in that time. Well, they have had the
keyboard for over 3 weeks and I still have gotten very little info
from them about it. It's annoying because it cost me $12 to send them
the keyboard (they do not refund the money) and their costumer service
lines are toll calls. Tell me if you have a similar experience.
-David
mirsky@gnu.ai.mit.edu
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From: aa229@Freenet.carleton.ca (Steve Birnbaum)
Subject: Re: Israeli Expansion-lust
Reply-To: aa229@Freenet.carleton.ca (Steve Birnbaum)
Organization: The National Capital Freenet
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In a previous article, zbib@bnr.ca (Sam Zbib) says:
>IMHO, it does not really matter who started any individual battle within
>the Arabs/Isreal war context. The real question is who/what started the
>War. Does anyone have any doubts it was the creation of Israel on Arab
>land ?
Where the hell do you get off calling it "Arab land"? Jews have been
living there for a long time. Jews didn't just start arriving in 1900,
they've been living there for thousands of years, except for periods when
they were expelled but they always returned home.
Steve
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From: joedal@dfi.aau.dk (Lars Joedal)
Subject: 80386 and 80486: What's the difference?
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Organization: Aarhus University, Denmark
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Except from clock frequency, what are the differences between the
various types of 386 and 486 processors?
The following is a list with what I know (or perhaps only what I
think I know!). Can anybody extend & correct?
80386: True 32 bit processor.
(cache?)
80386SX: Emulates 80386 with a 16 bit bus.
80486: True 32 bit processor.
Internal mathematical coprocessor (Correct?)
Internal cache (Correct? How big?)
(extended instruction set in any way?)
80486SX: Probably sorta like 80486...
80486DX: Probably sorta like 80386...
Well, it's not much, but I'm sure there is a lot of people out there
who can add a lot of information. Post or email as you prefer.
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| Lars J|dal | Q: What's the difference between a quantum |
| email: joedal@dfi.aau.dk | mechanic and an auto mechanic? |
| Physics student at the | A: A quantum mechanic can get his car into |
| University of Aarhus | the garage without opening the door. |
| Denmark | -- David Kra |
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Organization: University of Notre Dame - Office of Univ. Computing
From: <RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu>
Subject: Re: ugliest swing
<1993Apr12.235334.25031@ptdcs2.intel.com> <34244@oasys.dt.navy.mil>
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In article <34244@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat)
says:
>
>What I think is hotdogish about his AB's is the way he leans out over
>the plate to watch outside pitches etc. This not done to get a better
>look at the pitch, but to make it seem,"this ball is so far out I need
>to lean just to get near it so you better call it a ball". This is my
>"unbiased" opinion of what I see. Your mileage will vary.......
>Rickey is agreat player to watch if you forget who he is at the time.
a lot of batters lean in when pitches come. rickey's crouch tends
to exaggerate that, i think.
"a great player to watch if you forget who he is" - "unbiased"... hmmm...
bob vesterman.
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From: kxn3796@hertz.njit.edu (Ken Nakata CIS stnt)
Subject: Re: difference between VLB and ISA/EISA
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.
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In article <734874577snx@finbol.toppoint.de> jschief@finbol.toppoint.de (Joerg Schlaeger) writes:
>[......]
>Better OSs (OS/2 & iX) are able to handle more than 16MB of DRAM,
>if you use EISA-Bus.
>Has someone experience with VLB ??
>I think of SCSI-VLB-Busmaster. The problem is the 16bit Floppy DMA
>controller, which is unable to reach more than 16MB.
I don't think FD is a problem. Since FD is much sloooooooowwwwwwer
than HD, the overhead of double buffering doesn't matter.
Ken Nakata
--
/* I apologize if there are incorrect, rude, and/or impolite expressions in
this mail or post. They are not intended. Please consider that English is a
second language for me and I don't have full understanding of certain words
or each nuance of a phrase. Thank you. -- Ken Nakata, CIS student, NJIT */
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From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik)
Subject: Re: Genocide is Caused by Atheism
Organization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau
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In article <1993Apr19.113255.27550@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>,
darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) wrote:
> >Fred, the problem with such reasoning is that for us non-believers
> >we need a better measurement tool to state that person A is a
> >real Muslim/Christian, while person B is not. As I know there are
> >no such tools, and anyone could believe in a religion, misuse its
> >power and otherwise make bad PR. It clearly shows the sore points
> >with religion -- in other words show me a movement that can't spin
> >off Khomeinis, Stalins, Davidians, Husseins... *).
>
> I don't think such a system exists. I think the reason for that is an
> condition known as "free will". We humans have got it. Anybody, using
> their free-will, can tell lies and half-truths about *any* system and
> thus abuse it for their own ends.
I don't think such tools exist either. In addition, there's no such
thing as objective information. All together, it looks like religion
and any doctrines could be freely misused to whatever purpose.
This all reminds me of Descartes' whispering deamon. You can't trust
anything. So why bother.
Cheers,
Kent
---
sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net.
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From: anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed)
Subject: Who should be spied on...
Keywords: hypocritical pig
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Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
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In article <C5sDCK.38n@news.cso.uiuc.edu> eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A Shnekendorf) writes:
>anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed) writes:
>
>>In article <4815@bimacs.BITNET> ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich) writes:
>>>The readers of this forum seemed to be more interested in the contents
>>>of those files.
>>>So It will be nice if Yigal will tell us:
>>>1. Why do American authorities consider Yigal Arens to be dangerous?
>
>>ADL authorities seem to view a lot of people as dangerous, including
>>the millions of Americans of Arab ancestry. Perhaps you can answer
>>the question as to why the ADL maintained files and spied on ADC members
>>in California (and elsewhere??)? Friendly rivalry perhaps?
>
>Come on! Most if not all Arabs are sympathetic to the Palestinian war
>against Israel. That is why the ADL monitors Arab organizations. That is
>the same reason the US monitored communist organizations and Soviet nationals
>only a few years ago.
>
The ADC is an organization of Arab-*AMERICANS*.
Let me see...you're saying that "most if not all" Arab-AMERICANS should be
spied on? You're also saying that "most if not all" Arab-AMERICANS
should be views as a national security threat to Israel (and the US,
as you gratuitously imply in your reference to the WTC bombing, in
which no Arab-AMERICANS were involved)? By inference, can we assume
that you think that anyone of Arab lineage anywhere in the world poses
a threat to Israel and, therefore, should be spied on?
Perhaps, then, on the basis of Pollard spy case (not to mention the
Rosenbergs, etc.) you think that all Jewish Americans should be spied
on by the ADC.
Oh, never mind; this whole spying case has obviously so
convoluted your sense of right or wrong in these matters that I have
no wish confuse you further.
>>Perhaps Yigal is a Greenpeace member? Or the NAACP? Or a reporter?
>>Or a member of any of the dozens of other political organizations/ethnic
>>minorities/occupations that the ADL spied on.
>
>All of these groups have, in the past, associated with or been a part of anti-
>Israel activity or propoganda. The ADL is simply monitoring them so that if
>anything comes up, they won't be caught by surprise.
So the LA times reporter who had information about him
sold to the South African government was involved in "anti-Israel
activity or propaganda"? Are we to infer that the simple act of
reporting an event in a newspaper constitutes "anti-Israel
activity or propaganda"? Or was it South Africa? The LA
times reporter was based in South Africa, after all.
>
>
>>>Gideon Ehrlich
>>-anwar
>Ed.
>
-anwar again
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From: davidr@rincon.ema.rockwell.com (David J. Ray)
Subject: Re: TIFF: philosophical significance of 42
Organization: Rockwell International
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
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Martin Preston (prestonm@cs.man.ac.uk) wrote:
: In <C5sCGu.1LL@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B) writes:
:
: >I've got the 6.0 spec (obviously since I quoted it in my last posting).
: >My gripe about TIFF is that it's far too complicated and nearly
: >infinitely easier to write than to read,...
:
: Why not use the PD C library for reading/writing TIFF files? It took me a
: good 20 minutes to start using them in your own app.
:
: Martin
:
What is the name of this PD C library for TIFF. I'd like to get a copy of it,
but I can't Archie for something I don't have the filename for.
Thanks.
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From: chungkuo@umcc.umcc.umich.edu (Shawn FitzGerald)
Subject: Quadra 900 startup w/out monitor...ya right.
Organization: UMCC, Ann Arbor, MI
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Distribution: world
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Is there a fix for this? We have a Quadra 900 that will NOT finish startup
unless there is a monitor connected. This would be no problem, but since
we're running it as a file server, there is no need to have a monitor
connected all the time.
--
Horsefeathers?
Shawn FitzGerald UMCC (U of M Computing Club) Michigan
chungkuo@umcc.umich.edu "Whether you are quiet and alive, or
quiet and dead makes no difference to Cerebus."
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From: etxmesa@eos.ericsson.se (Michael Salmon)
Subject: Re: Title for XTerm
Keywords: XTerm
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Reply-To: etxmesa@eos.ericsson.se (Michael Salmon)
Organization: Ericsson Telecom AB
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In article <1r3fe2INN10d@fbi-news.Informatik.Uni-Dortmund.DE>
markhof@ls12r.informatik.uni-dortmund.de (Ingolf Markhof) writes:
[...]
|> I have an
|>
|> alias precmd echo -n '^[]2\;${HOST}:$cwd^G'
|>
|> in my ~/.tcshrc. This is a special alias for tvtwm.
I presume that you meant to say tcsh here ------^^^^^
--
Michael Salmon
#include <standard.disclaimer>
#include <witty.saying>
#include <fancy.pseudo.graphics>
Ericsson Telecom AB
Stockholm
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From: king@reasoning.com (Dick King)
Subject: Re: Can't wear contacts after RK/PRK?
Keywords: radial,keratotomy,contact,lenses
Article-I.D.: kestrel.1993Apr16.172052.27843
Organization: Reasoning Systems, Inc., Palo Alto, CA
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In article <1993Apr16.063425.163999@zeus.calpoly.edu> dfield@flute.calpoly.edu (InfoSpunj (Dan Field)) writes:
>I love the FAQ.
>
>The comment about contact lenses not being an option for any remaining
>correction after RK and possibly after PRK is interresting. Why is
>this? Does anyone know for sure whether this applies to PRK as well?
>
>Also, why is it possible to get a correction in PRK with involvement of
>only about 5% of the corneal depth, while RK is done to a depth of up to
>95%? Why such a difference?
In myopia the cornea is too curved. There is too much of a bulge in the
center.
In PRK the laser removes a small amount of material from the center.
In RK the surgeon cuts incisions near the edge. They heal, and the scarring
reshapes the cornea.
Entirely different mechanisms, and the action is in a different place.
-dk
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From: wangr@rs6410.ecs.rpi.edu ( Isles' Fan!! )
Subject: Islanders sux!!!!
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Reply-To: wangr@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
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Need I say more???????
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From: clim@cis.ohio-state.edu (chia-fang lim)
Subject: Vacation
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
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Distribution: usa
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Hi netters,
I have the following vacation packages for sale:
1> Bahamas Vacation.
2 round trip tickets to freeport, Grand Bahamas.
Double occupancy, hotel accomodation.
at $ 27 per person per night.
2> Orlando Florida +
Las Vegas +
Reno/ Lake Tahoe Vacation
One round trip airline ticket.
(from major US airports to the 3 of the above mentioned
destinations)
Hotel Accomodation for 1 or 2 people.
(for 3 days/ 2 Nights).
For those who are interested,
drop me a mail at clim@cis.ohio-state.edu.
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From: s0xjg@exnet.co.uk (Xavier Gallagher)
Subject: Re: Why not concentrate on child molesters?
Organization: ExNet Systems Ltd Public Access News, London, UK
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In article <1993Apr03.102200.4802@armory.com> rstevew@armory.com (Richard Steven Walz) writes:
>In article <C4tI6G.8C3@exnet.co.uk> sys1@exnet.co.uk (Xavier Gallagher) writes:
>>In article <C4oBCK.761@unix.portal.com> drakon@shell.portal.com (Harry Benjamin Gibson) writes:
>>>There is something that bothers me about this whole arguement.
>>>
>>>
>>>5) Could someone please CALMLY explain why homosexuality is such a great sin?
>>> Without giving the standard "Just because God sez so". Almost all of Judeo-
>>
>>
>>
>>Thanks for your posting, I enjoyed it.
>>
>>The reason Homosexuality is a sin is because the Jews were a struggling
>>group of people trying hard to survive and differentiate between
>>themselves and their oppressors. This led to several things.
>>
>>1. Worshipping one god. All their foes were polytheistic.
>>
>>2. All sex was put in to a moral context. All their foes were perverts
>> and spilled their seed liberally.
>--------------------------------
>It's just as easy to spill seed or spread it thin heterosexualy, why then
>the specific prohibition on homosexuals, especially since the answer to
>everything back then was stoning to death, doesn't help population growth
>much. Also to just say that "their foes were perverts" begs the question,
The key word is `spilled'. If semen was spilled anywhere where there
was a chance of procreation it was OK. If it was spilt on the ground or
in to a man it was a big sin, ditto with animals. The jews said sex=pro-
creation.
Homosexuals didn't breed, there fore they are evil and should be stoned
to death.
>
>>3. All sex was directed towards breeding. The jews were few in number
>> and their foes many. To survive everything had to go into multiplication.
>--------------------------------------
>Like I said, stoning to death doesn't help population much. It sounds more
>like a set of prejudices that already existed and were blown into a religion
>to emphasize the differences of Jewish culture and enshrine some pretty
Stoning non-breeding population was fine. Only the breeders were
considered to be worth much.
>> 1% Jesus, 70% Judaism, 29% original (prejudiced) Bullshit.
>-------------------------------
>I'll buy the bullshit. He was a profound misogynist as well. He might have
>been bitterly gay himself. No record of marriage.
>-RSW
>
>>>Ben Gibson
>>Xavier
>
>
>--
>* Richard STEVEn Walz rstevew@deeptht.armory.com (408) 429-1200 *
Xavier
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* Cheap * Part time Dark Overlord * by ** s0xjg@exnet.co.uk ******
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From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)
Subject: Re: some thoughts.
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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Keywords: Dan Bissell
bissda@saturn.wwc.edu (DAN LAWRENCE BISSELL) writes:
>First I want to start right out and say that I'm a Christian.
Well, this is alt.atheism. I hope you arent here to try to convert anyone.
>It makes sense to be one.
Many would disagree.
[...]
>The book says that Jesus was either a liar, or he was crazy ( a
>modern day Koresh) or he was actually who he said he was.
Well, you shouldn't give any particular book too much weight. Actually,
I don't think that any of these statements is correct. It is more likely
that most of Jesus' fame was attributed to him after his death by those
who had some strong motives...
[...]
>Some other things to note. He fulfilled loads of prophecies in
>the psalms, Isaiah and elsewhere in 24 hrs alone.
What's a prophecy, and what's so significant about them?
>I don't think most people understand what a Christian is.
I think we understand.
>It is certainly not what I see a lot in churches. Rather I think it
>should be a way of life, and a total sacrafice of everything for God's
>sake.
Well, sell your computer and donate you life to your religion now...
Don't waste any time.
keith
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From: rayssd!esther@uunet.uu.net (Esther A. Paris)
Subject: harrassed at work, could use some prayers
Reply-To: esther@demand.ed.ray.com
Organization: Raytheon Equipment Division, Marlboro, MA
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My news feed is broken and I haven't received any new news in 243 hours
(more than 10 days). So, if you reply to this, please send private
email to the address esther@demand.ed.ray.com -- I have set the
Reply-To line to have that address but I don't know if it will work.
[It depends upon the software, but generally I wouldn't expect
reply-to to cause an email cc to be sent in addition to a posting.
You'll probably need to do something specific, which will vary
depending upon your news software. --clh]
At any rate, I need some support. (Much thanks to Jayne K who is
already supporting me with kind words and prayers!)
I've been working at this company for eight years in various
engineering jobs. I'm female. Yesterday I counted and realized that
on seven different occasions I've been sexually harrassed at this
company. Seven times. Eight years. Yesterday was the most recent one;
someone left an X-rated photo of a nude woman in my desk drawer.
I'm really upset by this. I suppose it could have been worse -- it
could have been a man having sex with a sheep or something.
There was no note. I do not know if it was:
- someone's idea of an innocent joke, that went awry
- someone's sick idea of flirting
- an act of emotional terrorism (that worked!)
I dreaded coming back to work today. What if my boss comes in to ask
me some kind of question, I don't know the answer so I take a military
specification down off from my shelf to look up the answer, and out
falls a picture of a man having sex with a sheep? I generally have a
Bible on my desk for occasional inspiration; what if I open it up to
Corinthians and find a picture a la the North American Man Boy Love
Association? I want to throw up just thinking about this stuff.
I can lock up my desk, but I can't lock up every book I have in the
office. I can't trust that someone won't shove something into my
briefcase or my coat pocket when I'm not looking so that I go home to
find such a picture, or a threat, or a raunchy note about what someone
wants to do to my body.
To make it worse, the entire department went out to lunch yesterday to
treat our marvelous secretary to lunch. The appointed hour for
leaving was 11:30. I was working in another building but wanted to go
to the lunch. So I returned at 11:25, only to find that ever single
person had already left for lunch. They left at 11:15 or so. No one
could be bothered to call me at the other building, even though my
number was posted. So, I came back to a department that looked like a
neutron bomb had gone off and I was the sole survivor. This, despite
the fact that everyone knew how bad I felt about this naked woman being
left in my desk drawer.
I need some prayers --- I can't stop crying. I am so deeply wounded
that it's ridiculous.
I feel like I'm some kind of sub-human piece of garbage for people to
reduce me and my sisters to simply sex organs and the sex act. I feel
like I'm a sub-human piece of garbage that's not worthy of a simple
phone call saying "We're leaving for Mary's lunch a little early so
that Bob can get back for a big 1:00 meeting..."
Please pray that my resentments will either go away, or be miraculously
turned into something positive. Please pray that whoever is torturing
me so will stop, and find some healing for him- or herself. Please pray
for my being healed from this latest wound (which falls on top of a
whole slew of other wounds...). Please pray that I can find a new job
in a place where the corporate culture does its best to prevent such
harrassment from happening in the first place, and swiftly acts
appropriately when something occurs despite its best precautions. (This
company, in my opinion, has pretty words about how sexual harrassment
isn't tolerated but when you get right down to it, how is it that one
female engineer can be touched inappropriately, left obsene or
threatening notes, left obscene pictures, spoken to lewdly, etc, seven
times in eight years in the same place? Pretty words from the company
do me no good when I'm terrified or healing from the latest assault.)
And please pray that I don't turn into an automaton because of this.
That's my bad habit: "ignore it and it will go away", "you're not worth
anyone's time so don't go talking to anyone about this", "you're right,
you are a sub-human piece of garbage and deserve to be treated this
way", "you are just an object", "you prostitute your mind to this
company so why can't others expect you to prostitute your body there as
well?", "what makes you think women aren't just possessions, and
nothing more than sex organs and their ability to perform the sex act?"
This is the kind of thinking that can catapault one into a major
depressive episode; please pray that these thoughts don't come into
my head and stay there, triggering depression.
Please pray that this latest trauma doesn't come between me and God.
In a way, a wound like this is an invitation to a deeper connection to
God, and it's also a possible trigger for a spiritual crisis that can
separate one mentally from God. (I know God doesn't drop me from his
loving hand, but it's awfully easy for me to walk to the edge of the
hand, look down, think I'm falling and forget that God's still holding
on to me.)
Although this probably isn't entirely appropriate for this newsgroup,
I really can use the kind of loving support you all provide. For this
reason I hope good Mr. Moderator allows me this latest indulgence. After
all, he's allowed me the thermometer note, and a few other off-the-wall
topics.
Thanks in advance to everyone for your support and prayers. Peace to you,
Esther
--
Esther Paris, Raytheon Equipment Div., Marlboro, MA esther@demand.ed.ray.com
"In his esteem, nothing that was large enough to please, was too small
for the fingers." -- John Kitto, "The Lost Senses", 1848
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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: hawks vs leafs lastnight
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Distribution: na
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In article <93106.082502ACPS6992@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca> Raj Ramnarace <ACPS6992@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca> writes:
>did anyone else see this game last night ? just like a playoff game!!
>lots of hitting...but I was disappointed by the video goal judge...
>on all replays, joe murphy's goal shouldn't have counted ! it didn't go in net
>!! and according to the tsn broadcasters, the video goal judge said that he
>saw the water bottle on top of the cage move so he assumed the puck went in!
>this is terrible...hope crap like this doesn't occur in the playoffs!
>the game would have ended in 2-2 tie !
I thought the red light went on...thus, in the review, the presumption
would be to find conclusive evidence that the puck did not go in the
net...from the replays I say, even from the rear, the evidence wasn't
conclusive that the puck was in or out...in my opinion...
Gerald
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From: bcasavan@skyhawk.ecn.uoknor.edu (Brent Casavant)
Subject: Re: Permanaent Swap File with DOS 6.0 dbldisk
Summary: Explanation of message
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Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA
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In article <93059@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt4356c@prism.gatech.EDU (James Dean Barwick) writes:
[Stuff deleted]
>
>more on permenent swap files...
>
>i'm sure everyone who has an uncompressed part of their compressed hard disk
>has seen the message "you have selected a swap file greater than the suggested
>size...windows will only use the size suggested...do you wan't to create this
>swap file anyway" or something like that.
>
>well, a friend of mine (ROBERT) called microsoft and asked them what and why.
>what they said is that windows checks the amount of free disk space and
>divides that number by 2. Then it checks for the largest contiguous block
>of free disk space. Windows then suggests the smaller of the two numbers.
>
>They also said that under absolutely no circumstances...NONE!...will windows
>uses a swap file larger than the suggested size. Well...that's what he
>said!
>
>I call bull@#$#. If this is true why does windows report the memory is
>available to me if it's not going to use it?
>
>any takers?
>
>James
Well, someone at Microsoft told you wrong. Windows will use a swap file
larger than the recommended size. Last summer I went to a Microsoft
Windows 3.1 Technical Workshop and they distributed A LOT of information
that the general public might not be aware of. Anyway in the main book
they handed out they have a section on "Creating larger than recommended
swapfile". I'll quote the information
If you create a permanent swapfile larger than the recommended size, you
will receive a message telling you that Windows will not use anything
larger than the recommended size. THIS ERROR MESSAGE IS INCORRECT, we
will allow the use of the larger swapfile, up to four times the amount
of RAM on your machine.
So as you see, Microsoft does know that the information is incorrect. You
probably just ran into some doofball who was new on the job and was only
telling you what little he knew.
Be that what it may, I would really suggest to everyone to take the
opportunity to go to these Technical Workshops. They aren't actually
incredibly in-depth, but you do get a lot of material about bugs and
optimization straight from those in the know. Besides that they offer
you HUGE discounts on software. If I remember correctly, you could pick
up Word 2.0, Excel 4.0, or whatever their presentation program is for $130.
That is the full blown version, not an upgrade or educational version. You
could also pick up Microsoft Office for $500 or something like that. Myself
I sprang for Word.
Well, hope that was helpful to someone. And besides that I hope someone
will go to a workshop and save a little money.
And if anyone at Microsoft is reading this -- I really love your products.
I need a job once I graduate also, can we work something out? ;-)
Thanks,
Brent Casavant
bcasavan@mailhost.ecn.uoknor.edu
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From: cthulhu@mosquito.cis.ufl.edu (Mark Kupper)
Subject: ** Comics for sale **
Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept.
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I want to get rid of alot of comics that I have. I am selling for 30% off
the Overstreet Price Guide.
COMIC CONDITION
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Arion #1 M
Batman's Detective Comics #480 VF-NM
Contest of Champions #1 M
Contest of Champions #2 M
Contest of Champions #3 M
Crystar #1 M
Daredevil #181 (Elektra Dies) NM-M
Daredevil #186 M
Fantastic Four #52 (1st app. Black Panther) F-VF
G.I. Joe #1 M
Hercules #1 M
Incredible Hulk #181 (1st app. Wolverine) VF
The Krypton Chronicles #1 M
The Man-Thing #1 M
The Man-Thing #5 M
Marvel Age #1 VF
Marvel Age #2 NM
Marvel and DC Present (X-men and New
Teen Titans) M
Marvel Graphic Novel #4 (1st app. New Mutants) M
The Marvel Guide to Collecting Comics NM
Marvel Team-up #1 VF-NM
Marvel Team-up #95 M
Master of Kung Fu #90 M
The Micronauts #1 M
Micronauts King-Size Annual #1 M
New Mutants #1 (5 copies!) M
New Mutants #2 M
New Mutants #3 M
The Omega Men #1 M
Red Sonja #1 M
Ripley's Believe It or Not True War Strories #1 VF
Rom Spaceknight #1 M
Rom Spaceknight #8 M
The Secret Society of Super Villains #1 NM
Peter Parker, the Spectacular Spiderman #44 M
Amazing Spiderman #188 M
Star Trek #4 M
Super-Villain Classics #1 (Origin Galactus) M
New Teen Titans #1 M
Uncanny Tales #33 (Publisher's File Copy) NM-M
Vision and the Scarlet Witch #1 M
What If #3 (The Avengers Had Never Been) NM
Wolverine #1 (limited series) M
Wolverine #2 (limited series) M
Wolverine #3 (limited series) M
Wolverine #4 (limited series) M
X-men #25 F
X-men #26 F
X-men #30 F
X-men #34 F
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From: bear@kestrel.fsl.noaa.gov (Bear Giles)
Subject: How do they know what keys to ask for? (Re: Clipper)
Organization: Forecast Systems Labs, NOAA, Boulder, CO USA
Lines: 24
This may be a stupid question, but how does the government know which keys
to ask for?
Will owners be required to REGISTER their phones, faxes, modems, etc.,
and inform the government when they are moved to a different phone number?
Will there be penalities if the public does not do this? Will identification
(the National Health Care ID, perhaps) be required when purchasing a
Clipper-equipted phone?
Or will each chip transmit identifying information at the start of
a conversation? Identification which could be used to automatically
log who calls whom? (The _phone_ company keeps records, but this
information would be accessable by a well-placed van near a microwave
relay station).
This raises the question of how the two phones agree on a communications
encryption key. Will it be something that is derived from information
exchanged at the start of the conversation -- and hence derivable by
an eavesdropper?
--
Bear Giles
bear@fsl.noaa.gov
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From: ted@isgtec.com (Ted Richards)
Subject: Re: pc-X
Distribution: usa
Organization: ISG Technologies Inc. Mississauga Ont. Canada
Lines: 43
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]
To following up my own note:
Ted Richards (ted@isgtec.com) wrote:
: Al DeVilbiss (al@col.hp.com) wrote:
: :
: : It looks like everything works as advertised but I am disappointed
: : with the speed. I'm using an Intel 400 internal 14.4k modem in the PC
: : with Telebit 14.4k on the Unix end, which are currently limited to
: : 19.2Kbits by the Unix com link. To get a quantitative comparison, I
: : did 'cat file' where "file" is 20 kbyte uncompressed ascii text, and
: : it took 75 seconds to scroll through an X window over the modem link,
: : 270 chars/sec. Using the identical hardware and Procomm+FW the same
: : "cat file' takes 11 seconds, 1820 chars/sec. BTW, I use NCD PC XView
: : on my PC at work (HP) every day for the same Unix access from a PC over
: : a LAN and like that just fine. The same 'cat file' scrolls by in
: : ~2 seconds on the LAN connection.
I just tried a few experiments. I cat'd a 20261-byte file (471 lines)
under various scenarios:
PC-Xview for DOS in a full-screen OS/2 window (1024x768x16): 18 sec
Telix (DOS) in an OS/2 window (1024xs768x256): 107 sec!
Telix (DOS) is a full-screen OS/2 window (standard VGA): 11 sec
Telix (DOS) in a Windows 3.1 window (1024x768x256): 30 sec
UW/WIN in a seamless OS/2 window (1024x768x256): gave up after 4 min!
UW/WIN in Windows 3.1 (1024x768x256): faster, but gave up after 2 min
UW/WIN in a seamless OS/2 window using pg 30 sec, could have been a
little faster (I had to keep
hitting the space bar)
I was using an ATI Wonder XL video card, by the way.
So PC-Xview for DOS looks pretty good (and the line-by-line scrolling
in OS/2 desktop looks pathetic, although full-page redraws are pretty
good).
I tried it under PC-Xview using my normal (9x15bold or 10x20) font,
and with a very small font, and there was no difference in the times.
The modem receive light was on pretty solidly, so it looks like the
bottleneck was the 9600-baud modem, not the screen drawing.
--
Ted Richards ted@isgtec.com [...!uunet.ca!isgtec!ted]
ISG Technologies Inc. 6509 Airport Rd., Mississauga Ont. Canada L4V 1S7
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From: mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk>
Subject: Re: KORESH IS GOD!
Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.
X-Newsreader: rusnews v1.01
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The latest news seems to be that Koresh will give himself up once he's
finished writing a sequel to the Bible.
mathew
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From: sbuckley@sfu.ca (Stephen Buckley)
Subject: Re: The arrogance of Christians
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Lines: 22
dleonar@andy.bgsu.edu (Pixie) writes:
> Unfaithfully yours,
> Pixie
> p.s. If you do sincerely believe that a god exists, why do you follow
>it blindly?
> Do the words "Question Authority" mean anything to you?
> I defy any theist to reply.
o.k. i don't follow god "blindly". once, long ago, i questioned authority
to such a rabid point that i found question_authority=reject_authority_
_unquestioningly. i question authority all the time. but to forever
question is fruitless...eventually we have to consider whether there are
answers to the questions, whether the "authority" {say, the bible in this
case} has validity. basically to question authority does not necessarily
mean reject authority.
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From: werdna@cco.caltech.edu (Andrew Tong)
Subject: Internal Speaker Driver
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Lines: 7
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu
This probably is in a FAQ somewhere, but....
I'm looking for Microsoft's internal speaker sound driver for Windows.
Should be at Microsoft's FTP site, but I can't remember the name of the site...
Thanks.
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From: royc@rbdc.wsnc.org (Roy Crabtree)
Subject: Re: That Kill by Sword, Must be Killed by Sword
Organization: Red Barn Data Center
Lines: 338
In article <20APR199306173611@utarlg.uta.edu> b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (stephen) writes:
>In article <sandvik-190493201048@sandvik-kent.apple.com>,
>sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes...
...
>>So are you happy now when 70+ people, including innocent kids,
>>died today?
It's amazing how everyone automatically blames one side or the other.
One thing for sure: Koresh will have no chance to defend himself
against the statements (lacking in fact or COurt sponsored verification)
made by agents who participated in the situation that killed him.
I don't know they murdered him; I also don't know
that the Branch Davidians set a fire and suicidede.
It is SICK of BATF or FBI spokepeople to make such
comments in advance of forensic pathology.
Stephen: thank you. God speed.
>No. Kinda numb. I thought something like this was going to happen
>over a week ago. One of the things that's been obvious from the
Yah.
>start is that when there are two armed camps, neither of which
>yields, it's usually get slaughtered -- when any little spark
>sets it off.
>
>Which is why Koresh and company shouldn't have stockpiled weapons,
>and why the BATF shouldn't have come primed for a raid.
BINGO. Am I the only one to notice:
a) No peaceful attempt to serve a warrant.
b) Six months to develop a scene and six days to end it?
c) .... ah God:
25 children
at least 64 adults
plus 6 at the beginning
and more BATF agents
all dead.
>
>Painful point #1:
>
> If the Davidians fired first -- why were the BATF
> on the roof -- rather than taking cover?
Has anyone asked themselves these questions:
1) Have you seen the ENTIRE video sequences taken during the
opening rounds? I seem to recall missing several key parts:
a) The first five minutes of day one; only the shooting
part comes out.
b) What happened to the Feds video units? You mean they do
not carry helmet cams? Wonder why not?
2) How is it you can have camera crews with live transmission
video present and NOT have an uninterrupted record?
a) You realize the units carry ittle bitty 8mm backups?
That hold 90 minutes per unit? And there are
twounits on the professional handhelds (so no
tape turnover gaps)?
b) Until all views are seen, it is premature to point
fingers in either direction.
As you well point out, Stephen.
>
> Anyone (BATF, BD, X-BD, Other) could have touched it off,
> by mistake or maliciously?
More on this below.
>
> Once Koresh was shot... (disregarding his being a religious
> leader, and apocalyptically obsessed) most likely the people
> inside just went on drill. Just like the BATF outside.
>
>Is the lesson that automatic responses are very hazardous last resort
>measures?
Yes. But it is so hard toremain human under the full
pressure of hazard, game playing, and life.
>
>
>Painful point #2:
>
> Either side could have backed off, to help defuse the
> situation. We see the problem constantly here on the
> net with flaming.
>
>Ego problems. Nuff said.
More to the point: when someone dies (almost like it was intended
that way), both sides will kill to maintain their innocence --
a contradiction in terms.
>
>
>Painful point #3:
>
> It doesn't help to take sides in such a situation. Just
> adds fuel to the fire. Better is to let it burn out on
> it's own.
True. Usually I pick the unpopular side and point out
from the evidence seen what might have alternatively happened.
>
>Best example I can think of is Christ with the tax coin. He didn't
>have one (and so didn't sanction the Roman authority unduly). When
>they showed it to him, he noted that it was Caesar's minting, and
>so said give it to him, (no waste of time). And then he got back to
>more worthwhile concerns -- God's will.
This requires someone interested in God's Will. Please note
that the outstanding _overt_ problem in this country today
is one where the Government:
wants Caesar's coin to pay off the debt.
>
>The anti-tax movement of today, and the anti-ssan-as-i.d. groups,
>would do well to note who the issuing authority is. Ditto for those
Yes: The AMerican People. Not the Federal Government.
ANd if it is not spent towards that end, _no_one_ deserves
the coin.
>made in the image of God.
Yah. Fewpeople hear the contradiction:
Money
made
in the image
of God
>
>No need to stir things up in ever larger revo-revo-revolution, as
>governments turn over, and over, and over.
I wish you were wrong. Many pundits are saying 3 years.
The onyl good thing to come out of my divorce (and my
exposure to the Damned (pardon me) American Divorce Attorney
is:
I have no money left to lose to taxes or inflation.
>
>
>painful point #4:
>
> For many, this was just entertainment.
>
> Thumbs-up. Thumbs-down.
>
> Just another thriller like "Terminator 2,"
> or a good-old ball game.
>
>Is the lesson that we've become jaded to media reality?
25 children dead. If anyone thinks blaming Koresh -- or the BATF
helps this any at all, is sick. and wrong.
The reason you can tell that the BATF may not be entirely
straight on this is that the leaders at press conferences
havew made ANY comments about even the POSSIBILITY that
Koresh or his followers caused this.
The BATF agentss are more concerned with their repuations
and morals ("not my fault, Koresh did it!") than they
are with:
25 dead children.
Same goes for Koresh & his followers - who are all (mostly) dead.
>
>
>
>Painful point #5:
>
> LA burned. The Davidians burned. In one case society has
> abandoned the people -- which has returned to a frontier.
> In the other -- the outskirts were bumping against the
> suburbs.
>
>Is the lesson that what's lawful in different areas of society,
>depends more on conditions than laws?
More on power and favoritism. (My personal opinion).
Look to history: whenever privilege has replaced whatever
token of objective law and justice a society has had,
Hitlerrs have followed.
>
>
>If we don't learn-the-lessons, or at least make an honest effort,
>the next conflagration will no doubt be closer to home.
>
>Rather than putting out fires, aren't there much more important
>concerns for us to work on??
You do your name sake proud, Stephen.
Its hard, but please keep on keeping on:
each voice in the wilderness now will
save a generation unborn from horror
>
>>Kent
>>....who can't 'cheers' today exactly.
>
>What keeps me from being a bomb-thrower is my loving God (as irra-
>tional as that is for so many). One direct benefit is being able to
>keep things in perspective, KS.
The day I _need_ a gun or abomb to protect myself in this
society is the day that society is already beyond redemption
and that aint' redundant, if you have any Christian
belief aytall.
... and the day that I cannot peacefully enjoin others in the
act that Thoreau called Civil Disobedience to rectify the
wrongs that my society practises, without undue harm or
punishment befalling me, is the day that society has ceased to
be a human society, and become a society of animals.
We are _very_ cclose to that.
>
>Such as who hurts more -- the ones who died, or the loved ones who
>are left? Besides the lessons. It's also time for many to grieve.
>Including those who've lost their faith in others, or in God.
>
>I'm learning to be patient, and let things heal. God willing.
Six years fighting an unjust COurt issue: still struggling to be
patient.
For those who like contrary questions:
NB: I was not there. I am not a Branch Davidian nor a law
official hater. I do hate liars or the six letter variety of same.
The official side has its advocates already; lets balance the
equation and asj a few questions on the other side, for the sake
of an old saw the BATF abd FBI seem to want to bypass:
innocent until proven guilty.
not
innocent until presumed guilty.
1) Where are the video tapes from the tanks? ALL of them.
Don't tell me they do not exist. They are standard
equipment.
2) So you think Koresh fired the place, because of the explosion?
a) Tear gas comes with an aerosol to spread it. This
aerosol is DELIBERATELY made to be as non-flammable
as possible. It is as non-flammable as possible.
.... gotcha!
... when in isolation from other substances.
WHy was a pipe deliveryu system used rather than remote
launchers? WHy did the FBI not announce "this window,
blown in plus tear gas, five minutes; then the wall come
down", and maintain a left to right sequence?
b) Most aerosols also have a secondary compound, that when
mixed in, becomes a VERY flammable (and difficult to trace)
suspension, with a VERY special property: exposure to
brief eruptions of high heat (muzzle blasts) or long
exposure to low heat (matches, a stove) will NOT tend
to ignite.
What other chemicals come up in the forensics?
Who else will be allowed to test the site?
c) After a few minutes to hours (ifdesired, the combnation
rate can be controlled as desired), the mixture can be made
to become veryignitable onb exposure to a temperature
above a certain point (a tracer round) for a certain
heat quantity (a small explosive charge) or for a length
of time (start a wall fire and wait).
Check your military records; look at the tapes.
Why were tanks (large capacity delivey systems),
tear gas (why not somnorifics?), and now (why
the hurry. was there still a comm channel open
to the outside?).
Do you see any trace of fire coming BACK to the
compound in the videos? ALL the videos? Which ones
are missing?
Do I sound paranoid? Maybe. Am I? Probably not.
You trust the FBI and BATF to render judgement?
IN advance of a Court? God help us.
(For we are surely not helping ourselves).
You trut the Federal Gevernment to give us a clean slate?
You are 4.3 trillion (admitted!) down and counting.
Look again.
Did it happen that way? I do not know. I was not there.
AND IT SHOULD WAIT FOR A COURT TO DECIDE.
But will that happen? 89 people will NOT have the chance
to tell their side as the BATF leader was, on camera.
No one wins. Except: more force next time.
Listen to your hearts, people.
Thanx again Stephen.
>
> |
>-- J --
> |
> | stephen
>
roy andrew crabtree
roy: red haired king
andrew: the virtuous one
crabtree: iron workers, ...
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From: grape@suned1.Nswses.Navy.MIL (Mike Grapevine)
Subject: Subscription
Organization: The Internet
Lines: 7
To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu
Please subscribe me to this mailing list
Michael D. Grapevine | One of these days,
USN SWC | One of these days,
Code 4G33 | POW!
grape@suned1.nswses.navy.mil | It's gonna happen,
Bus: (805) 982-7791 | and I won't even realize it.
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From: mhollowa@ic.sunysb.edu (Michael Holloway)
Subject: Re: Homeopathy: a respectable medical tradition?
Keywords: Yes, SCIENCE, stupid!
Nntp-Posting-Host: engws5.ic.sunysb.edu
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Lines: 75
In article <C5HLBu.I3A@tripos.com> homer@tripos.com (Webster Homer) writes:
>mhollowa@ic.sunysb.edu (Michael Holloway) writes:
>
>>Here's your error. I really do think this shows some confusion on your
>>part. (Drum roll please) Science isn't so much the gathering of evidence
>>to support an "assertion" (read: hypothesis) as it is the gathering of
>>empirical observations IN ORDER TO MAKE AN HYPOTHESIS. What should
>>convince you (or not) shouldn't be the final product so much as *HOW* the
>>product was made.
>>
>Here's your error. There is no observation or hypothesis that is not tainted
>by theory. I have a theory, I make observations, those observations will be
>made with my theory in mind.
Yes, absolutely, though I'd make the observation in a more general sense of
all observations are made by human beings and therefore made with various
biases.
But here your message leaves talk of hypothesis and gets back, once again,
to equating the business of science with the end result, the gizmo produced.
>Science works very well at developing theories
>within paradigms, but is very poor at dealing with paradigm shifts. If I
>develop a novel paradigm that explains homeopathy, chinese medicine, or
>spontaneous combustion. If the paradigm is useful it will show me the way
>to make observations that "prove" or "disprove" it.
My point isn't so much whether or not you have a novel paradigm but *how*
you come about developing it.
>The paradigm of modern medicine is that the body can be reduced to a set of
>essentially mechanical operations wherein disease is seen as malfunctions in
>the machinery, essentially the old Newtonian model of the world. It seems
>likely that theories based upon this paradigm do not give a complete
>discription of the universe, medicine, healing etc... Indeed we now
>recognize an important psychological component to healing.
Perhaps you'd admit that this is an oversimplification on your part (the topic
of the philosophy of science is made for them, I'm making them too) but I
think that it also summarizes popular misconceptions of science and the
business of doing science. Biomedical research doesn't make any basic
assumptions that aren't the same as any other discipline of scientific
research. That is, that you make empirical observations, form an hypothesis
and test it. Modern medicine has much more to do with biochemistry than
"the old Newtonian model of the world". And I doubt that many psychologists
would appreciate being put outside this empirical "world view". Psychology
also has more to do with biochemistry than spoon bending.
>It is also important to distinguish reason from science. Science may be
>reasonable, but so are many non-scientific methodologies. Aristotle reasoned
>that frogs came from mud by observing one hop out of a puddle.
Oversimplified, of course, but a good example. This is an empirical observa-
tion. It was then tested, though perhaps not by Aristotle, and eventually
found wanting. In the meantime, some folk will
have continued to believe in the spontaneous generation of animal life.
There's nothing at all surprising about this, it's the way the gathering of
knowledge works. There are probably more than a few things in my own
discipline of molecular biology that will be found to be totally off-base,
even idiotic, to someone in the future. These future people won't have come
to these relevations because they had suddenly gone all Zen-like and had
a vision in an LSD trip. Someone will have thought of something new and
tested it. This is the bit that people who seem to relish misrepresenting
science and research can't seem to wrap their minds around. Science is a
creative process. What I think of as factual and good research can be totally
turned on its head tommorrow by new results and theories.
Again, I think it gets down to defining what you mean by "science". I often
don't recognize what it is that I do, and am involved in, in the way science
is portrayed by popular media or writings of people in the humanities. They
portray science as a collection of immutable facts, pronouncements of TRUTH
in big gold letters. That's silly. Its as though we just go into the lab,
turn over a stone, and come up with a mechanism for transcriptional regula-
tion. Its much more interesting than that. It really is a very human
process.
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From: crane@coral.bucknell.edu (Curt Crane)
Subject: Raichle ski boots for sale, size 11-11.5
Organization: Bucknell University, Lewisburg, PA, USA
Lines: 11
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: coral.bucknell.edu
I also have a pair of size 11-11.5 Raichle Flexon Comps.
These boots are black and yellow. they are in good condition.
I would like around $100 for them also but feel
free to make an offer.
Please reply to: crane@coral.bucknell.edu
Thanks,
Curt
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From: walter@psg.com (Walter Morales)
Subject: Nitendo game wanted
Organization: Pacific Systems Group, Portland Oregon US
Lines: 24
Hi,
I am one those uncles that try to please my nephews whenever possible,
so.. they have asked me to find them some Nitendo games, no, it is
not for the super nitendo.. it is for whatever model came prior to
that.
Since they are overseas, I will first ask them if they already have the
games you would have to offer me. Please send me a list, or whatever and
the price you are asking so I can send to my nephews and find out what
they have and what they want.. so bare with me, I will respond, but it
will take me a while.
Thanks,
Walter
walter@psg.com
Please respond directly.
--
______________________________________________________________________
/ Portland, Oregon USA \
| WALTER T. MORALES 45 31 25 N 122 40 30 W |
| internet: walter@rain.com Pop. 366383 |
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From: bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig)
Subject: Re: 14 Apr 93 God's Promise in 1 John 1: 7
Organization: Starfleet Headquarters: San Francisco
Lines: 19
brian@lpl.arizona.edu (Brian Ceccarelli 602/621-9615) writes:
>
>Consider your mother Merlyn. You know your mother. What would you think
>of me if I asserted that your mother is 9 feet tall, murdered your father,
>and sexually abused you when you were a kid?
I would just go fetch my parents, and show them to you, and thereby
prove quite definitively that my mother is not named Merlyn, she is
not nine feet tall, and my father is quite alive.
Then I would assert quite simply that your deity does not exist, and
wait for a similar demonstration from you.
--
_/_/_/ Brian Kendig Je ne suis fait comme aucun
/_/_/ bskendig@netcom.com de ceux que j'ai vus; j'ose croire
_/_/ n'etre fait comme aucun de ceux qui existent.
/ The meaning of life Si je ne vaux pas mieux, au moins je suis autre.
/ is that it ends. -- Rousseau
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From: holthaus@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (James R. Holthaus)
Subject: Re: Estimating Wiretap Costs/Benefits
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Lines: 27
rlglende@netcom.com (Robert Lewis Glendenning) writes:
>In article <1993Apr20.203756.20667@kronos.arc.nasa.gov> hanson@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Robin Hanson) writes:
>>I'm attempting to write a serious policy paper examining whether the
>>proposed wiretap (or "Clipper") chip is a cost-effective tool for
>>police investigation. That is, ignoring concerns about government
>>intrusions into individual privacy, is the value of easy wiretaps to
>>investigators greater than the cost to the communications industry,
>>and their customers, to support this wiretap technology?
>>[...]
>First, what the fuck is NASA doing wasting my tax dollars doing
>policy papers on stuff far outside of their purvew/mission?
>[...]
>Do us a favor. Resign rather than right this paper for NASA. Go
>do useful work for the society.
Whew! Take it easy on the guy. Maybe he's going to do this in his
spare time. Maybe he's going to do this to see how much a wiretap
*really* costs. Maybe he's going to do this so he can add to the
opposition to Clipper. I don't know fully why he might do this, but
maybe we shouldn't start flaming at the drop of a hat.
--
<><><><><><><><><><>James Holthaus james-holthaus@uiowa.edu<><><><><><><><><>
< Government is an association of men who do violence to the rest of us. >
< -- Leo Tolstoy >
<><><><><>PGP 2.2 Public key available on request or from key server<><><><><>
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From: gaucher@sam.cchem.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: 2ND AMENDMENT DEAD - GOOD !
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
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NNTP-Posting-Host: sam.cchem.berkeley.edu
Originator: gaucher@sam.cchem.berkeley.edu
Oh Christ, here we go again. I'm actually going to assume that
this was a serious posting, fool that I am.
In article <1993Apr18.001319.2340@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes:
>Yea, there are millions of cases where yoy *say* that firearms
>'deter' criminals. Alas, this is not provable. I think that that
>there are actually *few* cases where this is so.
And I suppose I should just take your word for it. Did you ever
think that many people who use firearms to protect themselves
might not admit to it because of the ridiculous laws which exist
forbidding concealed carry?
>The bulk of firarems are used against unworthy and unnesessary
>opponents ... those who posessa a cool jakcet you want, those who
>would argue with you about a parking space, those who would
>take your woman. In short, trivial and worthless causes.
I already own a cool jacket. I ride a bicycle to work and park
it behind my desk. And if my woman decides to go with someone
else, I'd be disappointed but killing her new suitor will probably
not endear her to me any more than before. Frankly, I've never
met a woman worth killing for anyway. (Now, an AR-15 with a chrome
barrel, THAT's worth killing for ...!-))
>Too much of this has ruined you cause. There is no recovery.
>In the near future, federal martials will come for your arms.
>No one will help you. You are more dangerous, to their thinking,
>than the 'criminal'. This is your own fault.
Does this pinhead know something the rest of us don't?
I'm not too worried about federal martials coming to get my guns.
The government can't seem to keep violent criminals in jail since
they don't have enough prison space, and the legal system is over-
burdened anyway. Where are they going to put all the millions of
gun-owners who won't fork over their weapons? Maybe you'd like to
volunteer the services of your humble abode, since you obviously
feel sooooo strongly about this.
>The 2nd amendment is dead. Accept this. Find another way.
Your argument has been rendered useless. Accept this. Find another
newsgroup.
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Lee Gaucher NRA | My opinions.
gaucher@sam.cchem.berkeley.edu | No one else's.
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From: theckel@col.hp.com (Tim Heckel)
Subject: Re: Instead of a Saturn SC2, What???
Organization: Colorado Springs IT Center
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Distribution: na
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For those that are interested I got my fully optioned (Air, ABS,
sunroof) '92 SE-R in September 1991 for $13,555 in Sacramento, CA. It
was one of the 1st '92s sold, few of the dealers had any, no local
dealer had an ABS equipped SE-R. I went straight to the fleet manager
at the dealership I liked, told him what I wanted, made him aware that I
knew what his price should be. He called me back with exactly what I
wanted from a dealer 125mi away, I took delivery the next day.
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From: kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis)
Subject: Re: Supply-Sider Lightbulb Joke
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.
Lines: 16
lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich) writes:
> There was once the following joke:
> How many supply-siders does it take to screw in a light bulb?
> None. They let the free market do it.
If the free market places an attractive price on the screwing in of a
light bulb, you can bet your bottom dollar that the light bulb will
most certainly get screwed in -- and most promptly at that, too.
--
The views expressed herein are | Theodore A. Kaldis
my own only. Do you seriously | kaldis@remus.rutgers.edu
believe that a major university | {...}!rutgers!remus.rutgers.edu!kaldis
as this would hold such views??? |
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From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Subject: Re: My New Diet --> IT WORKS GREAT !!!!
Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science
Lines: 20
In article <1993Mar27.142431.25188@inmet.camb.inmet.com> mazur@bluefin.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur) writes:
>In article <1ov4toINNh0h@lynx.unm.edu> bhjelle@carina.unm.edu () writes:
>
>On the other hand, we do a good job of implying that the person who
>weighs 400lbs is "overeating" when in fact, the body probably doesn't
>make any moral judgements about its composition. Conceivably, the
>body works just as hard maintaining its weight at 400 as someone else's
>does at 200.
>
Undoubtedly it does, to maintain such a weight. And it does so
primarily by overeating. If it didn't, the weight would drop
back to normal.
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geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."
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From: mellis@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael E Ellis)
Subject: **Nash Metropolitan Forsale!**
Nntp-Posting-Host: magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Lines: 34
My little Nash has sat for about a year (had been running), but now I must move
a long distance and there are too many things to carry with me. Here are the
details of the car:
1958 Hardtop--Exterior condition:
Rocker panels rusted out at weld points, no rust at typical spots like
door hinge mounting points, back battery box, etc. Missing front bumper,
front pan dented up, one weld popped in front. This is for the most part
a solid, restorable automobile.
Interior Condition:
Missing original steering wheel, has one of the smaller aftermarket
wheels, seats need reupholstered, general fair condition.
Mechanical Condition:
Had been running, but now does not want to start...needs new rings (which
I have) also have extra parts such as complete long block, extra steering
shaft, etc.
For a car that has not been touched since 1958, it is in solid shape. It will
obviously need some work, but will make a good project.
PRICE: Well, this is a tough one, I would like to get around 800.00, but will
consider any serious offers by individuals willing to come and get it. If you
have things to trade such as tools, toys, cameras, comics, cards, etc.,
anything easily movable to Florida, I may consider that as well.
Hit <r>, or my e-mail address is Ellis.15@osu.edu
(614) 777-0791 home (leave message)
Thanks
Mike
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From: Donald Mackie <Donald_Mackie@med.umich.edu>
Subject: Re: Barbecued foods and health risk
Organization: UM Anesthesiology
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X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9
X-XXDate: Mon, 19 Apr 93 20:12:06 GMT
In article <1993Apr18.175802.28548@clpd.kodak.com> Rich Young,
young@serum.kodak.com writes:
Stuff deleted
> ... have to
> consume unrealistically large quantities of barbecued meat at a
> time."
I have to confess that this is one of my few unfulfilled ambitions.
No matter how much I eat, it still seems realistic.
Don Mackie - his opinion
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From: rtfuhge@immd8.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Robert Fuhge)
Subject: Re: Booting from B drive
Organization: University of Erlangen, csd. AI
NNTP-Posting-Host: faui8s3.informatik.uni-erlangen.de
Lines: 36
Hi!
I think VGA-Copy can do what you need.
If you create a new floppy for your a: drive (that is the 5 1/4"), turn on
the "modify" switch of vga-copy.
When you boot using this diskette, a message appears:
This is no system disk, you can
1) replace disk with another,
2) boot from Harddisk or
3) switch drives and reboot (that is, a: becomes b:, b: becomes a:)
Type your choice:
When you select the third item, you can boot from b: which is now called a: .
Seems to work very good, for example booting drdos6 from the installation disks
in 3.5" format was no problem for a friend of mine (I have only a 3.5" a: drive)
Hope that helps
Robert
P.S.: VGA-Copy is shareware, so it's easy to get. Newest Version seems to be 5.0 .
--
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| Robert Fuhge, Haagstrasse 17, 8520 Erlangen, Tel. privat: 09131/204103 |
| Email: rtfuhge@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (demnaechst 91054 Erlangen) |
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| "Wars are not for to see who is right, but who is left ... " |
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| Robert Fuhge, Haagstrasse 17, 8520 Erlangen, Tel. privat: 09131/204103 |
| Email: rtfuhge@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (demnaechst 91054 Erlangen) |
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| "Wars are not for to see who is right, but who is left ... " |
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From: by028@cleveland.freenet.edu (Gary V. Cavano)
Subject: Pantheism & Environmentalism
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
Lines: 21
Hi...
I'm new to this group, and maybe this has been covered already,
but does anybody out there see the current emphasis on the
environment being turned (unintentionally, of course) into
pantheism?
I've debated this quite a bit, and while I think a legitimate
concern for the planet is a great thing, I can easily see it
being perverted into something dangerous.
As evidence, may I quote THE WALL STREET JOURNAL (of all
things!), April 2 (Editorial page):
"We suspect that's because one party to the (environmental)
dispute thinks the Earth is sanctified. It's clear that much
of the environmentalist energy is derived from what has been
called the Religious Left, a SECULAR, or even PAGAN fanaticism
that now WORSHIPS such GODS as nature and gender with a
reverence formerly accorded real religions." (EMPHASIS MINE).
Thoughts? Reactions? Harangues?
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From: Nanci Ann Miller <nm0w+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: It's all Mary's fault!
Organization: Sponsored account, School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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<C5KEqu.4xo@portal.hq.videocart.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: po5.andrew.cmu.edu
In-Reply-To: <C5KEqu.4xo@portal.hq.videocart.com>
dfuller@portal.hq.videocart.com (Dave Fuller) writes:
> Nice attempt Chris . . . verrry close.
>
> You missed the conspiracy by 1 step. Joseph knew who knocked her up.
> He couldn't let it be known that somebody ELSE got ol' Mary prego. That
> wouldn't do well for his popularity in the local circles. So what
> happened is that she was feeling guilty, he was feeling embarrassed, and
> THEY decided to improve both of their images on what could have otherwise
> been the downfall for both. Clever indeed. Come to think of it . . . I
> have gained a new respect for the couple. Maybe Joseph and Mary should
> receive all of the praise being paid to jesus.
Lucky for them that the baby didn't have any obvious deformities! I could
just see it now: Mary gets pregnant out of wedlock so to save face she and
Joseph say that it was God that got her pregnant and then the baby turns
out to be deformed, or even worse, stillborn! They'd have a lot of
explaining to do.... :-)
> Dave "Buckminster" Fuller
> How is that one 'o keeper of the nicknames ?
Nanci
.........................................................................
If you know (and are SURE of) the author of this quote, please send me
email (nm0w+@andrew.cmu.edu):
Life does not cease to be funny when people die, any more than it ceases to
be serious when people laugh.
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From: rats@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Morris the Cat)
Subject: Re: WI and IL firearms law Questions
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Lines: 56
|Question #2
|As I understand it, in Evanston, IL, they have a ordinance banning handguns.
|Is there any way to get around this provision?
Why don't you call the City and ask? Oak Park also has an illegal handgun
ban as well, but does allow those with a "collectors FFL" to possess
("collectible?") handguns.
|What would the penalty if you were found out be?
Probably a fine in practical terms.
|What if you used said handgun in a defensive shooting in your apartment
|there? How would the city law apply to your impending
|trial for the shooting?
It wouldn't impede your defense at all. There was an actual incident
in Oak Park where a gas station owner engaged in a shootout with a
handgun; the grand jury decided not to presecute. On the other hand,
a black man used an illegally owned handgun in Oak Park to defend
himself, and the Village tried to make an example out of him. An NRA
Director who lived there made a stink about this, and it was decided
not to charge the guy. Of course, pissing off anti-gun police thugs
has it's own drawbacks, like when the Oak Park Police Chief came to his
house, and told him: "this is stepping over the line; this could get
dangerous for you." Whereupon the few black Oak Park police officers
watched over his house to ensure that the white anti-gun police chief
and his anti-gun cronies wouldn't f*ck with him, his home or family.
|Also, what is IL state law concerning short barreled weapons? Short barreled
|shotgun is what I would be interested in if a handgun were not available,
|either that or a shortened 9mm carbine (ie Colt, Marlin).
L.V. Cipriani states that the "Any other weapon" category is allowed,
but the exact relationship between an Ithaca Auto-burgular, which I
believe is in the "Any other weapon" category and a chopped barrel
H&K HK-94 (Class 3 for sure) is not clear to me...
|One more thing, what is the chance of getting a CCW permit in IL without being
|rich or famous or related to the mayor?
In your dreams, buddy. As long as Democrats reign in Chicago, Illinois
residents will always be disarmed and helpless in the streets. Politicians
get around this by provisions in the law that allow them to carry
concealed weapons. Voters in Chicago are too stupid to vote these a**holes
out of office; because the Dems are always in power, the Illinois
Supreme Court is always tilted to the Democratic Party's views on guns.
[All candidates supported by political consultant David Axelrod are
anti-gun, which explains anti-RKBA Crook County States Attorney
Jack(ass) O'Malley being a so-called "Republican."]
Get rid of the Chicago Democrats, get rid of their members on the IL
Judiciary, and you got a fighting chance of a preemption law and a CCW
law...
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From: mccullou@snake2.cs.wisc.edu (Mark McCullough)
Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.
Lines: 19
In article <30136@ursa.bear.com> halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat) writes:
>Atoms are not objective. They aren't even real. What scientists call
>an atom is nothing more than a mathematical model that describes
>certain physical, observable properties of our surroundings. All
>of which is subjective.
>
>-jim halat
This deserves framing. It really does. "[Atoms] aren't even real."
Tell me then, those atoms we have seen with electron microscopes are
atoms now, so what are they? Figments of our imaginations? The
evidence that atoms are real is overwhelming, but I won't bother with
most evidence at the moment.
--
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* mccullou@whipple.cs.wisc.edu * Never program and drink beer at the same *
* M^2 * time. It doesn't work. *
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From: boylan@pi.eai.iastate.edu (Terran Boylan)
Subject: Reaction-Diffusion techniques
Organization: Engineering Animation, Inc.
Lines: 24
This past week I've been playing with some of the R-D (Reaction-
Diffusion, not to be confused with RDS or R&D) techniques
from SIGGRAPH '91.
I was wondering what material is available to explain the control
mechanism a little more. It seems to me very much like a matter of
picking random magic numbers and sitting back and waiting. Although
both of the papers (Turk and Witkin & Kass) were very well organized
and extremely helpful, I guess what I need is a more basic description
of the technique, especially wrt the control mechanisms. The tests
that I did had a tendency to either turn into blurry mud or become
unstable.
Is there any info available online? Source code would be great but
not necessary.
Thanks!
--
---
Terran J. Boylan, Sr. Artist/Programmer | "It's better to have loved
Engineering Animation, Inc., Ames, IA | and lost than just to have
(515) 296-9908 / (515) 296-7892 (> 5PM) | lost." -- Dorky Dog
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From: glazier@isr.harvard.edu (Andrew Baker Glazier)
Subject: Re: HEAVY METAL (the magazine) for sale (NOT the MUSIC)
Article-I.D.: burrhus.1993Apr6.151840.3953
Organization: Harvard University, Cambridge, MA
Lines: 23
In article <1prs2t$eqp@transfer.stratus.com> Arthur_Noguerola@vos.stratus.com writes:
>
> I am cleaning out the coffers. I have a virtually
> MINT collection of HEAVY METAL magazine. This is NOT
> a music mag but the really neato mag with Giger and
> Moebius artwork, et al. Jam packed with amazing
> sci-fi and fantasy artwork by many masters. All are
> mint with the exception of the 3 that have split seam
> on the cover only but are otherwise perfect, no cut
> outs or missing pages. I have Sep, Nov and Dec issues
> for 1978, ALL issues for 1979, 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983
> and Jan thru Sep for 1984 (72 issues in all i
> believe). I will not break them up. They will be
> sold as a single lot. Send your offers to me.
> Shipping not included, these are pretty heavy. Of
> course if you are local (Mass, USA) you can come get
> 'em in person.
>
> arthur_noguerola@vos.stratus.com
If you send offers to this guy, keep in mind that you can get mint back
issues from the publisher for $4 - $5 plus shipping, all except the very
first 2 or three issues.
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From: blob@apple.com (Brian Bechtel)
Subject: Re: Drivers for CD-ROM
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc., Cupertino, California
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NNTP-Posting-Host: apple.com
sakelley@jeeves.ucsd.edu (Scott Kelley) writes:
>Does anybody know where I could find a driver for a Future Echo
>Infomasster [sic] CDE 600 CD-ROM drive? A friend is running this drive
>off of a PC and would like to use it on the mac.
Here are some contacts for generic CD-ROM drivers:
Optical Access International
800 West Cummings Park, Suite 2050
Woburn MA 01801
(617) 937-3910
(617) 937-3950 fax
AppleLink: OAI
FWB, Inc.
2040 Polk Street, Suite 215
San Francisco, CA 94109
(415) 474-8055
(415) 775-2125 fax
AppleLink: FWB
Optical Media International
180 Knowles Drive
Los Gatos, CA 95030
(408) 376-3511
(408) 376-3519 fax
AppleLink: OMI
Trantor Systems (for Intel architecture machines)
5415 Randall Place
Fremont, CA 94538
(415) 770-1400
AppleLink: TRANTOR
Software Architects (not verified)
11812 North Creek Parkway N.
Suite 202
Bothell, WA 98011
AppleLink: SOFTARCH.DEV
> Casa Blanca Works(not verified)
> 415-461-2227
> Applelink: CBWorks
To send a message to someone on AppleLink, use the form
address@applelink.apple.com
where "address" is replaced by the appropriate applelink address.
--Brian Bechtel blob@apple.com "My opinion, not Apple's"
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From: cash@convex.com (Peter Cash)
Subject: Raid justification was: Blast them next time
Distribution: usa
Nntp-Posting-Host: zeppelin.convex.com
Organization: The Instrumentality
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
not necessarily those of CONVEX.
Lines: 27
In article <1r1chu$h22@pandora.sdsu.edu> chiu@io.nosc.mil (Francis Chiu) writes:
> Initial assault on the "compound" ( more like a wooden farm house if
> it burned to the ground like it did ) for WHAT? Regardless of who
> started/caused the fire, NONE of this would have happened if the
> ATF can HONESTLY justify their initial assault and handled it
> properly!
I just got through listening to the 10 o'clock news on Channel 4 here in
Dallas. They trotted out a list of justifications produced by the ATF after
"months of investigation" for their raid.
I couldn't believe the junk on this list! For example, the BDs were accused
of stockpiling a bunch of "9mm and .223 ammunition that can be used in M15
and M16 assault rifles". Imagine that--they had ammunition! They also had
aluminum dust! (Yeah, it's a component of thermite, but so far I haven't
heard that it's illegal to take a grinder to the aluminum lawn
furniture...) The only thing on the list that could conceivably have been
illegal was an M-79 grenade launcher. (Anybody know about this?)
Months of investigation! For this 80+ people died!
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| Die Welt ist alles, was Zerfall ist. |
Peter Cash | (apologies to Ludwig Wittgenstein) |cash@convex.com
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From: fuzzy@hardy.u.washington.edu (Peifeng Xu)
Subject: Answering Machine Phone
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
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Distribution: pnw
Reply-To: fuzzy@u.washington.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu
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- 8 PHONE NUMBER MEMORY + RECALL FUNCTION
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Subject: roman.bmp 05/14
From: pwiseman@salmon.usd.edu (Cliff)
Reply-To: pwiseman@salmon.usd.edu (Cliff)
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of South Dakota
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From: JBUDDENBERG@vax.cns.muskingum.edu (Jimmy Buddenberg)
Subject: Revelations - BABYLON?
Organization: Muskingum College
Lines: 34
Hello all. We are doing a bible study (at my college) on Revelations. We
have been doing pretty good as far as getting some sort of reasonable
interpretation. We are now on chapters 17 and 18 which talk about the
woman on the beast and the fall of Babylon. I believe the beast is the
Antichrist (some may differ but it seems obvious) and the woman represents
Babylon which stands for Rome or the Roman Catholic Church. What are some
views on this interpretation? Is the falling Babylon in chapter 18 the same
Babylon in as in chapter 17? The Catholic church?
Hate to step on toes.
thanks
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Jimmy Buddenberg INTERNET: jbuddenberg@vax.cns.muskingum.edu
Muskingum College
[Reading this imagery as the Roman Catholic Church was certainly
common in earlier Protestant writers. A lot of us find that frankly
embarassing now, though some of our readers will certainly advocate
such a position. The problem is that the description makes it look a
lot like a political entity. It's associated with kings, controls
world commerce, is seated on seven mountains (17:9 -- recall that Rome
is traditionally regarded as built on seven hills). If it's a church,
then it's not the current Roman Catholic church, but a church that has
been taken over by the anti-Christ and merged with the state, turning
into something rather different than it is now. Presumably in such a
scenario the true Catholics are among those who are persecuted. Given
the overall impression that Satan is pretending to be an angel of
light, and the true church is a persecuted remnant, I think the most
consistent playing out of the image would be that the anti-Christ
would be presiding over a church that claims to be the heir of both
the Protestant and Catholic traditions, but that the true spiritual
descendants of both Peter and the Reformers are equally being
persecuted. --clh]
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