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4900 | From: ingles@engin.umich.edu (Ray Ingles)
Subject: Re: Yeah, Right
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Lines: 49
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: agar.engin.umich.edu
In article <66014@mimsy.umd.edu> mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate) writes:
>Benedikt Rosenau writes:
>
>>And what about that revelation thing, Charley?
>
>If you're talking about this intellectual engagement of revelation, well,
>it's obviously a risk one takes.
Ah, now here is the core question. Let me suggest a scenario.
We will grant that a God exists, and uses revelation to communicate
with humans. (Said revelation taking the form (paraphrased from your
own words) 'This infinitely powerful deity grabs some poor schmuck,
makes him take dictation, and then hides away for a few hundred years'.)
Now, there exists a human who has not personally experienced a
revelation. This person observes that not only do these revelations seem
to contain elements that contradict rather strongly aspects of the
observed world (which is all this person has ever seen), but there are
many mutually contradictory claims of revelation.
Now, based on this, can this person be blamed for concluding, absent
a personal revelation of their own, that there is almost certainly
nothing to this 'revelation' thing?
>I'm not an objectivist, so I'm not particularly impressed with problems of
>conceptualization. The problem in this case is at least as bad as that of
>trying to explain quantum mechanics and relativity in the terms of ordinary
>experience. One can get some rough understanding, but the language is, from
>the perspective of ordinary phenomena, inconsistent, and from the
>perspective of what's being described, rather inexact (to be charitable).
>
>An analogous situation (supposedly) obtains in metaphysics; the problem is
>that the "better" descriptive language is not available.
Absent this better language, and absent observations in support of the
claims of revelation, can one be blamed for doubting the whole thing?
Here is what I am driving at: I have thought a long time about this. I
have come to the honest conclusion that if there is a deity, it is
nothing like the ones proposed by any religion that I am familiar with.
Now, if there does happen to be, say, a Christian God, will I be held
accountable for such an honest mistake?
Sincerely,
Ray Ingles ingles@engin.umich.edu
"The meek can *have* the Earth. The rest of us are going to the
stars!" - Robert A. Heinlein
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4901 | From: wex@cs.ulowell.edu (Paul M. Wexelblat)
Subject: Re: what to do with old 256k SIMMs?
Reply-To: wex@cs.ulowell.edu
Organization: Univ. of Lowell CS Dept.
Lines: 11
In article <1993Apr15.100452.16793@csx.cciw.ca>, u009@csx.cciw.ca (G. Stewart Beal) writes:
|> > I was wondering if people had any good uses for old
|> >256k SIMMs. I have a bunch of them for the Apple Mac
|> >and I know lots of other people do to. I have tried to
|> >sell them but have gotten NO interest.
We use them as Christmas tree decorations, the cat doesn't eat these.
--
...Wex
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4902 | From: jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski)
Subject: Re: Quadra SCSI Problems???
Keywords: Quadra SCSI APS
Lines: 29
Reply-To: jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski)
Organization: NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center
tzs@stein2.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith) writes:
>> ATTENTION: Mac Quadra owners: Many storage industry experts have
>> concluded that Mac Quadras suffer from timing irregularities deviating
>> from the standard SCSI specification. This results in silent corruption
>> of data when used with some devices, including ultra-modern devices.
>> Although I will not name the devices, since it is not their fault, an
>> example would be a Sony 3.5 inch MO, without the special "Mac-compatible"
>> firmware installed. One solution, sometimes, is to disable "blind writes"
>This doesn't sound right to me. Don't Quadras use the 53C96? If so, the
>Mac has nothing to do with the SCSI timing. That's all handled by the
>chip. About the only the timing could be wrong is if Apple programs the
>clock registers wrong on the 96. That, however, should only really hurt
>synchronous transfer, which is not used by the Mac SCSI Manager.
>Furthermore, disabling blind writes should be meaningless on a Quadra.
>On Macs that used the 5380, which is a much lower level SCSI chip, the
>Mac was responsible for the handshake of each byte transferred. Blind
>mode affected how the Mac handled that handshake. On the 5396, the
>handshake is entirely handled by the chip.
The docs say that it's a SCSI Manager bug, if this changes things at all...
--
Jim Jagielski | "And he's gonna stiff me. So I say,
jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov | 'Hey! Lama! How about something,
NASA/GSFC, Code 734.4 | you know, for the effort!'"
Greenbelt, MD 20771 |
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4903 | From: dlneal@apgea.army.mil (Dennis L. Neal <dlneal>)
Subject: 24-pin Printer For Sale
Organization: Edgewood
Lines: 10
Nntp-Posting-Host: cbda9.apgea.army.mil
I have the Star Micronics SG 24, 24 pin printer for sale. I have used
with the AMIGA and IBM computers and it works great. I will throw in
a cable and vinyl cover for $150 plus shipping.
First email gets it...
thanx,
-Dennis L. Neal dlneal@cbda9.apgea.army.mil
(I have gone to a laser printer is the only reason I am selling)
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4904 | From: kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis)
Subject: Re: Formal Rebuttal to the Presumption of Jurisdiction
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.
Lines: 13
In article <1993Apr5.045612.14229@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:
> [...] You're not breathing clean air provided by government
> regulations, [...]
If this doesn't beat all I ever heard! The above certainly says a
mouthful about the mindset of Ted Frank, and also of statists
everywhere.
--
The views expressed herein are | Theodore A. Kaldis
my own only. Do you seriously | kaldis@remus.rutgers.edu
believe that a major university | {...}!rutgers!remus.rutgers.edu!kaldis
as this would hold such views??? |
|
4905 | From: Arthur_Noguerola@vos.stratus.com
Subject: FOR SALE: Old JAZZ magazines
Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA
Lines: 40
NNTP-Posting-Host: m21.eng.stratus.com
The following jazz magazines will go for the best
OFFER received. Shipping not included, these are
pretty heavy. Of course if you are local (Mass, USA)
you can come get 'em in person. All are in GREAT
condition!! These will go as one lot. I will not
break them up.
Metronome - Sep 1947, Feb 1948, June 1948,
Nov 1950, Dec 1950, June 1952
Nov 1953
Downbeat - Jan 15,1947 (was newspaper sized..folded)
Jan 18,1962, Feb 15,1962, Dec 19,1963,
Mar 12,1964, Apr 9,1964, May 7,1964,
May 21,1964, Jun 4,1964, Jul 16,1964,
Sep 10,1964, Dec 17,1964, Dec 31,1964,
Aug 26,1965, Oct 7,1965, Oct 21,1965,
Dec 16,1965, Dec 30,1965, Jan 13,1966,
Apr 21,1966, Jul 28,1966, Sep 8,1966,
Dec 29,1966, Feb 9,1967, Feb 23,1967,
Jun 15,1967, Nov 15,1967, Apr 4,1968,
Aug 8,1968, Sep 5,1968, Oct 3,1968,
Oct 31,1968, Feb 6,1969, Mar 6,1969,
May 15,1969, Jun 12,1969, Jul 10,1969,
Jul 24,1969, Aug 21,1969, Sep 4,1969,
Dec 2,1969, May 14,1970, May 28,1970,
Jun 11,1970, Jun 25,1970, Jul 9,1970,
Aug 19,1971, Mar 15,1973, Mar 29,1973,
May 10,1973, May 24,1973, Nov 1985
Also I will toss in (free):
Jazz Journal (Feb 1979,Apr 1979) and
CODA Magazine (Jun 1985, Dec 1985)
arthur_noguerola@vos.stratus.com
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4906 | From: kirk@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (ANDREW KIRK)
Subject: Re: Goodbye, good riddance, get lost 'Stars
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Univ. of Western Ontario, London, Canada
Nntp-Posting-Host: obelix.gaul.csd.uwo.ca
Lines: 34
In article <9505@blue.cis.pitt.edu> gomer+@pitt.edu (Richard J Coyle) writes:
>In article <1993Apr19.232038.26593@julian.uwo.ca> kirk@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (ANDREW KIRK) writes:
>>First off, anyone accepted into the Western Business School is not a dork.
>>Second, just because one person out of a country of 27 Million doesn't think
>>before he/she posts an article, does NOT mean that he/she is embarrasing
>>Canada. This network is for expressing what you feel are your thoughts. Just
>>because someone doesn't agree with you, this does not give you the right to
>>call them assholes. Anyways, the North Stars are SHIT!!!!!!!!!
>
>Actually, I think it does give people the privilege of calling folks
>like you assholes. Although my own asshole might take offense at being
>grouped in with a bunch of losers like you.
>
>I've never heard of the Western Business School, anyhow. Probably a
>chickenshit place.
>
>rick
Losers like us? You are the fucking moron who has never heard of the Western
Business School, or the University of Western Ontario for that matter. Why
don't you pull your head out of your asshole and smell something other than
shit for once so you can look on a map to see where UWO is! Back to hockey,
the North Stars should be moved because for the past few years they have
just been SHIT. A real team like Toronto would never be moved!!!
Andrew--
--
Andrew Kirk
University of Western Ontario
London, Ontario
GO LEAFS GO!
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4907 | Subject: Looking for MS-DOS crypto programs
From: EXTDSM@LURE.LATROBE.EDU.AU (MADDISON,David)
Organization: La Trobe University
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24
Lines: 11
I am a new reader of sci.crypt I would like to obtain a copy of a
public domain program that can encrypt files, preferably using DES,
that runs under MS-DOS.
I would also like to obtain a program which will password protect
floppy disks, if this is possible.
Thanks.
David Maddison
Melbourne, Australia
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4908 | From: whaley@sigma.kpc.com (Ken Whaley)
Subject: Re: 24-bit Static color: will clients like it?
In-Reply-To: beck@irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de's message of 26 Apr 1993 17:54:12 GMT
Organization: Kubota Pacific Computer Inc.
Lines: 21
|
|Even 24Bit TrueColor machines are in most cases running an emulated
|8 bit PseudoColor visual, only to get standard x clients, motif apps and
|thelike to run. I strongly suppose you to emulate at least:
|
|> 24 Bit TrueColor. Should be no problem, only some translation. Rounding
| should not make big misfits
Depends on the nature of the "rounding." X allows the user to do bit
arithmetic on pixel values, (i.e., XOR foreground and backgroun pixel
values together to calculate a foreground color that when used with a
function of GXxor fill change foreground to background and vice-versa).
If your rounding does not preserve these types of calculations then
clients that use them will break.
Ken
--
Kenneth Whaley (408) 748-6347
Kubota Pacific Computer, Inc. Email: whaley@kpc.com
2630 Walsh Avenue
Santa Clara, CA. 95051
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4909 | From: ldr@mv.mv.com (Lee Rothstein)
Subject: Re: Is ms-windows a "mature" OS?
Keywords: ms-windows
Organization: MV Communications, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Lines: 24
To get hierarchical icon groups in MS-Windows use Norton Desktop for Windows.
MS Windows in not mature. It's lousy. But its supposed to be lousy. It's
goal is to be ubiquitous not good. MS-Windows is the
course for the masses in IT Infrastructure 102. (DOS = 102, CP/M = 101.)
Unix was the course for the cogniscenti in IT Infrastructure 101. Together
they prove that there is good effect of good IT, and there is good effect
of ubiquitous IT. What we need, now is both at a significiantly higher
level of function. POSIX + DCE + CORBA + ????? ? See the problem?
NT may be IT Infrastructure 103, but it will also be IT Monopoly 102. (101
was IBM.)
We have a conundrum, gentlepeople. What are we going to do about it?
dubious-
lee
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4910 | From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
Subject: Re: Morality? (was Re: <Political Atheists?)
Organization: sgi
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NNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com
In article <1ql5snINN4vm@gap.caltech.edu>, keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes:
|> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
|>
|> >>So, you are saying that it isn't possible for an instinctive act
|> >>to be moral one?
|> >
|> >I like to think that many things are possible. Explain to me
|> >how instinctive acts can be moral acts, and I am happy to listen.
|>
|> For example, if it were instinctive not to murder...
Then not murdering would have no moral significance, since there
would be nothing voluntary about it.
|>
|> >>That is, in order for an act to be an act of morality,
|> >>the person must consider the immoral action but then disregard
|> >>it?
|> >
|> >Weaker than that. There must be the possibility that the
|> >organism - it's not just people we are talking about - can
|> >consider alternatives.
|>
|> So, only intelligent beings can be moral, even if the bahavior of other
|> beings mimics theirs?
You are starting to get the point. Mimicry is not necessarily the
same as the action being imitated. A Parrot saying "Pretty Polly"
isn't necessarily commenting on the pulchritude of Polly.
|> And, how much emphasis do you place on intelligence?
See above.
|> Animals of the same species could kill each other arbitarily, but
|> they don't.
They do. I and other posters have given you many examples of exactly
this, but you seem to have a very short memory.
|> Are you trying to say that this isn't an act of morality because
|> most animals aren't intelligent enough to think like we do?
I'm saying:
"There must be the possibility that the organism - it's not
just people we are talking about - can consider alternatives."
It's right there in the posting you are replying to.
jon.
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4911 | From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras)
Subject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card
Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc.
Lines: 76
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: dale.handheld.com
In article <CMM.0.90.2.734814613.thomasp@surt.ifi.uio.no> Thomas Parsli
<thomasp@ifi.uio.no> writes:
>
>
> Observations from a naive norwegian:
>
> 1) Guns are made to KILL people, not to shoot target or to
> have something more macho than stamps to collect.....
>
> 2) It IS more easy to kill/injure someone with a gun than
> with a knife or a bat (as in baseball).
>
> 3) It's not very wise to compare two completely different
> countries like USA and, let's say, Island on issues like
> crime and violence.
>
> 4) Yes, the problem is people committing crimes, not the tools
> beeing used, but 1) should be taken into concideration.
>
Only as far as it affects the crime rate.
>
> We have a very strict gun-legislation in Norway, but until recently
> it was possible for enyone over 18 years to buy a shotgun.
> Shotguns are used mainly for hunting in Norway(...), but because it
> was so easy to accuire one, it was THE most used gun in crimes.
> The solution was to restrict the sale, so it's now necessary to
> apply and register your shotgun.
> And -unbelievable- the use of guns in crime fell.....
Did the RATE of crime fall? If not, the ban was of no use. It is the rate of
violent crime that matters, not the tools used. "It's the crime, stupid!"
> There are now a new law against wearing long knives in public,
> and why should it be allowed ??
>
Apparently that became the weapon of choice after the shotguns were banned.
After that, they'll decide the car of choice is the Saab, and propose a ban on
that!
> What I, as an scandinavian, have problems to understand is that
> you (Americans) have a more liberal view on guns and violence
> than on nudity and sex.
> Try showing a bare breast on tv insted of violence and murder...
>
> Yes, I know a little American history, but is it a civil/human
> right to have an assault gun in your home and/or an handgun
> in your car??
>
Yes. We still trust honest people here. For the time being.
>
> The bad english is not my fault, it's probably
> the keyboard-software or the quality of the
> subtext on tv......
>
>
> Disclamer(not):
> These are the views of all studens at my university,
> all Norwegians and probably whole of the universe...
>
>
> Thomas Parsli
> thomasp@ifi.uio.no
>
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jmd@handheld.com
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that. But I can't do that by myself." Bill Clinton 6 April 93
"If I were an American, as I am an Englishman, while a foreign troop was landed
in my country, I never would lay down my arms,-never--never--never!"
WILLIAM PITT, EARL OF CHATHAM 1708-1778 18 Nov. 1777
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4912 | From: nicolas.nowinski@aquila.com (Nicolas Nowinski)
Subject: 14.4k Modem ZOOM
Distribution: world
Organization: Aquila BBS - Aurora, IL - 820-8344
Lines: 10
Here it is
Zoom 14.4k FAX/DATA v.32bis modem. I have evreything only purchased in
January. Will happily provide the Fax/Comm. software and BOX and manuals.
I am selling this for ONLY $125+s/h COD.
Nicolas Nowinski
703-435-9590 FEEL FREE TO CALL for quickest service.
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þ OLX 2.1 TD þ Yes you to can become a ASM programer for $1,000,000+S/h
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4913 | From: spl@ivem.ucsd.edu (Steve Lamont)
Subject: Re: Point within a polygon
Organization: University of Calif., San Diego/Microscopy and Imaging Resource
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NNTP-Posting-Host: ivem.ucsd.edu
Keywords: point, polygon
In article <1993Apr14.102007.20664@uk03.bull.co.uk> scrowe@hemel.bull.co.uk (Simon Crowe) writes:
>I am looking for an algorithm to determine if a given point is bound by a
>polygon. Does anyone have any such code or a reference to book containing
>information on the subject ?
See the article "An Efficient Ray-Polygon Intersection," p. 390 in
Graphics Gems (ISBN 0-12-286165-5). The second step, intersecting the
polygon, does what you want. There is sample code in the book.
spl
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San Diego Microscopy and Imaging Resource/UC San Diego/La Jolla, CA 92093-0608
"They are not Bolsheviks,
just bullshitviks." - Yevgeny Yevtechenko, "Again a meeting..."
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4914 | From: aras@Ziggy.csl.ncsu.edu (Caglan M. Aras)
Subject: Polaroid Range finder interference-Help!
Organization: /etc/organization
Lines: 26
We have a setup with with 13 polaroid transducers and rangefinders. We
would like to fire these three at a time with about 5 ms between
firings. The three that are being fired do not fire in the same
direction.
To further explain the situation, assume we are firing sonars A,B,C
5 ms apart each other. We should normally see an echo on A that
corresponds to the distance. However, sonar A detects the INIT line
of sonar B! The detection is actually through the transducer of sonar A;
we can see a very faint 50Khz signal on the transducer, exactly at the
time the init line of sonar B is activated.
We feel that there is some ground coupling that is causing this interference.
We came to this conclusion since we are using a separate power supply
for sonars B and C.
Has anyone else had any problems with these particular units and
this type of experience? Your suggestions for remedies will be greatly
appreciated.
--
Caglan M. Aras [] aras@eceris.ece.ncsu.edu
ECE Department [] ph: 919-515-5405
North Carolina State University[] fx: 919-515-5523
Raleigh, NC 27695 []
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4915 | From: debbie@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Debbie Forest)
Subject: Re: Hismanal, et. al.--side effects
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Lines: 19
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4
In article <1993Apr21.231301.3050@seas.gwu.edu> sheryl@seas.gwu.edu (Sheryl Coppenger) writes:
<In article <1993Apr21.024103.29880@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
<>Hismanal (astemizole) is most definitely linked to weight gain.
<>It really is peculiar that some antihistamines have this effect,
<>and even more so an antihistamine like astemizole which purportedly
<>doesn't cross the blood-brain barrier and so tends not to cause
<>drowsiness.
<
<The original poster mentioned fatigue. I had that too, but it was
<mostly due to the really bizarre dreams I was having -- I wasn't getting
<any rest. My doctor said that was a common reaction. If astemizole
<doesn't cross the blood-brain barrier, how does it cause that side
<effect? Any ideas?
It made me really BITCHY for the first few weeks. Now that I think about
it I was having some bizarre dreams too. My doctor said it made him feel
like he had to be DOING something all the time. But if you keep taking it,
after a few weeks these symptoms seem to go away, he said hang in there.
I did and they did.
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4916 | From: wjhovi01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: Why do people become atheists?
Organization: University of Louisville
Lines: 13
Undoubtedly people adopt atheism for many reasons, but I suspect that a biggie
is that the God they've believed in is (in J.B. Phillips's words) "too small".
If a person's understanding of God is not allowed to grow and develop, it will
eventually become inadequate. The grey-haired gentleman on a throne who was a
comforting image in childhood becomes a joke.
A therapist friend of mine sometimes suggests to her clients that they "fire
God". What she means by that is letting go of an inadequate understanding of
God to make room for a fuller one. But she follows up by encouraging them to
"hire a new one". My guess is that a lot of folks go through the firing
process, but are not adequately supported in the subsequent re-hire.
billh
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4917 | From: news@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Subject: '87 Buick Century Estate Wagon
Nntp-Posting-Host: bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: cmh
Lines: 1
This article was probably generated by a buggy news reader.
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4918 | From: karage@scus1.ctstateu.edu (Angelos Karageorgiou Greek and Macedon the only combination)
Subject: Re: Turkey-Cyprus-Bosnia-Serbia-Greece (Armenia-Azeris)
Nntp-Posting-Host: scsu1.ctstateu.edu
Organization: Southern Connecticut State University, New Haven
Lines: 35
Ok. My Aykut., what about the busload of Greek turists that was
torched, and all the the people in the buis died. Happened oh, about 5
years ago in Instanbul.
What about the Greeks in the islands of Imbros and tenedos, they
are not allowed to have churches any more, instead momama turkey has
turned the church into a warehouse, I got a picture too.
What about the pontian Greeks of Trapezounta and Sampsounta,
what you now call Trabzon and Sampson, they spoke a 2 thousand year alod
language, are there any left that still speek or were they Islamicised?
Before we start another flamefest , and before you start quoting
Argic all over again, or was it somebody else?, please think. I know it
is a hard thing to do for somebody not equipped , but try nevertheless.
If Turks in Greece were so badly mistreated how come they
elected two,m not one but two, representatives in the Greek government?
How come they have free(absolutely free) hospitalization and education?
Do the Turks in Turkey have so much?If they do then you have every right
to shout, untill then you can also move to Greece and enjoy those
privileges. But I forget , for you do study in a foreign university,
some poor shod is tiling the earth with his own sweat.
BTW is Aziz Nessin still writing poetry? I'd like to read some
of his new stuff. Also who was the guy that wrote "On the mountains of
Tayros." ? please respond kindly to the last two questions, I am
interested in finding more books from these two people.
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4919 | From: ehung@ampex.com (Eric Hung)
Subject: Re: COMMENTS ==> VIDEO BLASTER (Creative Labs)
Nntp-Posting-Host: dct3
Organization: Ampex Corporation, Redwood City CA
Lines: 41
In article <794@wpsun4.UUCP> mikgr@wpsun4.UUCP (Michael Grant) writes:
>In article <1993Apr14.062219.11573@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, mej0381@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>> >In <115080@bu.edu> heiser@acs2.bu.edu (Bill Heiser) writes:
>> >
>> >>In article <C4rDy0.Fw9@chinet.chi.il.us> randy@chinet.chi.il.us (Randy Suess) w
>> >rites:
>> >>>>The video blaster doesn't work with the ATI GRaphics Ultra Pro, doesn't work
>> >>>>with >15M system RAM.
>> >
>> >>Are you serious? So I can't use a Video Blaster in my 16mb 486/33?
>> >>What are the alternatives (other than removing memory?)
>> >
>> >Get a better one. Hows about the Win/TV thing?
>> >--
>> >The Wailer at the Gates of Dawn | banshee@cats.UCSC.EDU |
>> >Just who ARE you calling a FROOFROO Head? | |
>> >oD#0667 "Just a friend of the beast." | banshee@ucscb.UCSC.EDU |
>> >2,3,5,7,13,17,19,31,61,89,107,127,521,607....| banshee@ucscb.BITNET |
>>
>> No good. I perfer WatchIT TV. It can run in DOS and Windows. Win/Tv only run in
>> windows. Sorry....
>>
>> --
>Still no good. WatchIT TV will not work on a with local bus video.
>It will not work in any high reolution modes either. The people who
>make the card assure me that they will have a card available in June
>that supports both local-bus and hi-res. BTW does anyone know the
>name of the company who makes watchit tv? Phone #? BBS? Internet?
>
>Thanks
>
>Michael Grant
>(mikgr@wordperfect.com) or
>(mikgr@wpsun4.uunet.uu.net)
>
I have a promovie spectrum, it seems to work very nicely with Video for
Windows. With my setup (386-25, 17 ms HD, PAS-16, and orchid F VA), the
board could handle up to 15 frame/s.
Eric.
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4920 | From: kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy)
Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is
Organization: Who, me???
Lines: 15
In article <pww-180493195323@spac-at1-59.rice.edu> pww@spacsun.rice.edu (Peter Walker) writes:
>In article <1993Apr18.210407.10208@rotag.mi.org>, kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin
>Darcy) wrote:
>> The phenomenologist Husserl, for one, considered Intentionality to be the
>> primary ontological "stuff" from which all other ontology was built --
>> perceptions, consciousness, thoughts, etc. Frank is by no means alone in
>> seeing intentionality (or "values", as he puts it) underlying all human
>> experience, even the so-called "objective" experiences, such as
>> measurements of the natural world, or the output of your DES chip.
>
>And others of us see it as intellectual masturbation.
I'll defer to your greater firsthand knowledge in such matters.
- Kevin
|
4921 | From: wawers@lif.de (Theo Wawers)
Subject: Re: Sunrise/ sunset times
Organization: Lahmeyer International, Frankfurt
Lines: 15
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]
There is a nice little tool in Lucid emacs. It's called "calendar".
On request it shows for given longitude/latitude coordinates times for
sunset and sunrise. The code is written in lisp.
I don't know if you like the idea that an editor is the right program to
calculate these things.
Theo W.
Theo Wawers LAHMEYER INTERNATIONAL GMBH
email : wawers@sunny.lif.de Lyonerstr. 22
phone : +49 69 66 77 639 D-6000 Frankfurt/Main
fax : +49 69 66 77 571 Germany
|
4922 | From: tsa@cellar.org (The Silent Assassin)
Subject: For Sale: Game Boy
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system
Lines: 10
For sale:
Nintendo Game Boy, Tetris, Castlevania Adventure, All-Star Challenge,
Nemesis, Play-Action football, link cable.
Make me an offer.
Libertarian, atheist, semi-anarchal Techno-Rat.
I define myself--tsa@cellar.org
|
4923 | From: ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer)
Subject: Re: x86 ~= 680x0 ?? (How do they compare?)
Organization: Netcom. San Jose, California
Lines: 11
d88-jwa@hemul.nada.kth.se (Jon Wtte) writes ...
>But the interesting comparision is how fast clock-cycle chips
>you can get - an Alpha is WAY slow at 66 MHz, but blazes at
>200 MHz.
The only problem is going to be finding someone who can make a 200MHz
computer system. Could be tough.
--
Ray Fischer "Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth
ray@netcom.com than lies." -- Friedrich Nietzsche
|
4924 | From: cosc0000@ucssun1.sdsu.edu (Riyadh Al-hajmoosa)
Subject: Re: How many homosexuals are there?
Organization: San Diego State University Computing Services
Lines: 16
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucssun1.sdsu.edu
kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis) writes:
> Perhaps 1%, but most likely not more than 2%. A new study
> (discrediting Kinsey) says so.
> --
> The views expressed herein are | Theodore A. Kaldis
> my own only. Do you seriously | kaldis@remus.rutgers.edu
> believe that a major university | {...}!rutgers!remus.rutgers.edu!kaldis
> as this would hold such views??? |
My understanding from my psycology classes is that the percentage is
more like 10-12% world wide. I would really like to know your source
for the 1-2% figure.
Riyadh Moosa.
SDSU-Chemistry.
cosc0000@ucssun1.sdsu.edu
|
4925 | From: seth@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (peter.r.clark..jr)
Subject: Re: Adams Division Race
Article-I.D.: cbnewsh.1993Apr5.141123.8101
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T
Lines: 21
In article <1993Apr2.175052.22810@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu>, breton@McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Pierre Breton) writes:
>
>
> The Adams division race is certainly interesting this year. Here are
> important data to keep in mind in the eventuality of a tie for a given
> standing position.
>
> In head to head games:
> Quebec wins over Montreal, 4-3-0;
> Boston leads against Quebec, 3-1-1 with two games remaining;
> Montreal and Boston are tied, 4-4-0 with one game remaining.
>
> (..) Pierre Breton (aka Fluide Glacial)
Pierre,
For purposes of the tie breaker, you only count the first three games in
each city. Therefore, Quebec cannot possibly be ahead of Montreal 4-3,
and there's probably only one game that counts remaining between Boston
and Quebec, which means Boston has probably already won.
pete clark - rsh FLYERS contact
|
4926 | From: luoma@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: (Q) SCSI&IDE (i.e. 2 or more hard drives)
Reply-To: luoma@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Lines: 20
PLEASE: response directly to me (luoma@binah.cc.brandeis.edu)
by email. IF there are a sufficient number of interesting
responses, I will post a summary (on April 24 or 25).
I have waded through the mass of SCSI-IDE posting, but
I missed any answers to a question posted early on --
Has anyone (successfully) put both SCSI and IDE hard drives
on the same system?
I am particularly interested in having the SCSI as the _boot_ drive.
For those who have managed this feat, I would appreciate
a bit more information, such as what drives, which SCSI controller,
and (if possible) what motherboard & BIOS
(plus any other relevant info.).
Thanks in advance,
Robert Luoma (luoma@binah.cc.brandeis)
--> all flames will be stored on my WORN drive <--
|
4927 | From: george!james@iowegia.dsm.ia.us
Subject: Re: Toshiba 3401B CD-ROM: Any problems?
Organization: Organization for creative time-wasting
X-Newsreader: rusnews v0.96
Lines: 21
msmith@beta.tricity.wsu.edu (Mark Smith) writes:
> I'm thinking about getting a Toshiba 3401 CD-ROM and hooking it up
> through the SCSI port on a Media Vision Pro Audio Spectrum sound board.
> Does anybody have this configuration out there? If so, does it work?
>
> For anybody in general who has the Toshiba 3401 CD-ROM drive, have you
> had any hadware problems? Door not opening, scratched disks, door not
> closing (getting stuck or not closing all the way), CD holder jamming
> and any other CD related problems.
I have one and it is my favorite CD-ROM drive so far. I also have
a NEC-74 and have had experience with several other drives (Various
Phillips drives)
The 3401 is faster than the NEC, I like its door better (the NEC
needs 2 hands), the XA handling (The NEC needs to be re-booted to go from
XA to ROM while the 3401 does it on the fly), All in all I am seriously
considering replacing my NEC with another Toshiba.
JWS
|
4928 | From: bbesler@ouchem.chem.oakland.edu (Brent H. Besler)
Subject: Is an oral form of Imitrex(sumatriptan) available in CA
Article-I.D.: vela.1psee5$c3t
Distribution: na
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Lines: 9
NNTP-Posting-Host: ouchem.chem.oakland.edu
Sumatriptan(Imitrex) just became available in the US in a subcutaneous
injectable form. Is there an oral form available in CA? A friend(yes
really not me!) has severe migranes about 2-3 times per week. We
live right by the CA border and he has gotten drugs for GERD prescribed
by a US physician and filled in a CA pharmacy, but not yet FDA approved
in the US. What would be the cost of the oral form in CA$ also if
anyone would have that info?
Thanks
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4929 | From: Karim Edvard Ahmed <ka0k+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Truly a sad day for hockey
Organization: Senior, Economics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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NNTP-Posting-Host: po5.andrew.cmu.edu
In-Reply-To: <1993Apr16.031823.11861@news.stolaf.edu>
>A fine 26 year history came to a close tonight, as the Minnesota North Stars,
>or Norm's Stars (whichever you prefer) lost to the Red Wings by a score of
>5-3. The Stars goals were scored by Mike McPhee and Ulf Dahlen, who netted
>two including the final one in franchise history, with less than a minute to
>play.
Yes, it's a shame that the NHL lost a fine team in one of the best
hockey markets in the country. Being a North Stars fan, it is sad to
see all of the tradition of the last 26 years get thrown into oblivion
at the hands of a truly crappy owner.
Hopefully the NHL will install an expansion franchise in the Twin Cities
within the next five years. Even if this is the case, a lot has been
lost in the North Stars move...
KEA
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4930 | From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: FAQ - What is the DoD?
Summary: Everything you always wanted to know about DoD, but were afraid to ask
Keywords: DoD FAQ
Article-I.D.: javelin.DoD.monthly_733561501
Expires: Sun, 30 May 1993 07:05:01 GMT
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
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Supersedes: <DoD.monthly_730969501@javelin.sim.es.com>
This is a periodic posting intended to answer the Frequently Asked
Question: What is the DoD? It is posted the first of each month, with
an expiration time of over a month. Thus, unless your site's news
software is ill-mannered, this posting should always be available.
This WitDoDFAQ is crossposted to all four rec.motorcycles groups in an
attempt to catch most new users, and followups are directed to
rec.motorcycles.
Last changed 9-Feb-93 to add a message from the KotL, and a bit of
Halon.
VERSION 1.1
This collection was originally assembled by Lissa Shoun, from the
original postings. With Lissa's permission, I have usurped the title of
KotWitDoDFAQ. Any corrections, additions, bribes, etc. should be aimed at
blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com.
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Contents:
How do I get a DoD number? by Blaine Gardner DoD #46
DoD "Road Rider" article by Bruce Tanner DoD #161
What is the DoD? by John Sloan DoD #11
The DoD Logo by Chuck Rogers DoD #3
The DoD (this started it all) by The Denizen of Doom DoD #1
The DoD Anthem by Jonathan Quist DoD #94
Why you have to be killed by Blaine Gardner DoD #46
The rec.moto.photo.archive courtesy of Bruce Tanner DoD #161
Patches? What patches? by Blaine Gardner DoD #46
Letter from the AMA museum by Jim Rogers, Director DoD #395
The DoD Rules by consensus
Other rec.moto resources by various Keepers DoD #misc
The rec.moto.reviews.archive courtesy of Loki Jorgenson DoD #1210
Updated stats & rides info by Ed Green (DoD #111) and others
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How do I get a DoD number?
If the most Frequently Asked Question in rec.motorcycles is "What is the
DoD?", then the second most Frequently Asked Question must be "How do I
get a DoD number?" That is as simple as asking the Keeper of the List
(KotL, accept no substitue Keepers) for a number. If you're feeling
creative, and your favorite number hasn't been taken already, you can
make a request, subject to KotL approval. (Warning, non-numeric, non-
base-10 number requests are likely to earn a flame from the KotL. Not
that you won't get it, but you _will_ pay for it.)
Oh, and just one little, tiny suggestion. Ask the KotL in e-mail. You'll
just be playing the lightning rod for flames if you post to the whole
net, and you'll look like a clueless newbie too.
By now you're probably asking "So who's the KotL already?". Well, as
John Sloan notes below, that's about the only real "secret" left around
here, but a few (un)subtle hints can be divulged. First, it is not myself,
nor anyone mentioned by name in this posting (maybe :-), though John was
the original KotL. Second, in keeping with the true spirit of Unix, the
KotL's first name is only two letters long, and can be spelled entirely
with hexadecimal characters. (2.5, the KotL shares his name with a line-
oriented text utility.) Third, he has occasionally been seen posting
messages bestowing new DoD numbers (mostly to boneheads with "weenie
mailers"). Fourth, there is reason to suspect the KotL of being a
Dead-Head.
***************** Newsflash: A message from the KotL ******************
Once you have surmounted this intellectual pinnacle and electronically
groveled to the KotL, please keep in mind that the KotL does indeed
work for a living, and occasionally must pacify its boss by getting
something done. Your request may languish in mailer queue for (gasp!)
days, perhaps even (horrors!) a week or two. During such times of
economic activity on the part of the KotL's employers, sending yet
another copy of your request will not speed processing of the queue (it
just makes it longer, verification of this phenominon is left as an
excersize for the reader). If you suspect mailer problems, at least
annotate subsequent requests with an indication that a former request
was submitted, lest you be assigned multiple numbers (what, you think
the KotL *memorizes* the list?!?).
***********************************************************************
One more thing, the KotL says that its telepathic powers aren't what
they used to be. So provide some information for the list, will ya?
The typical DoD List entry contains number, name, state/country, &
e-mail address. For example:
0111:Ed Green:CA:ed.green@East.Sun.COM
(PS: While John mentions below that net access and a bike are the only
requirements for DoD membership, that's not strictly true these days, as
there are a number of Denizens who lack one or both.)
Blaine (Dances With Bikers) Gardner blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
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"Denizens of Doom", by Bruce Tanner (DoD 0161)
[Road Rider, August 1991, reprinted with Bruce's permission]
There is a group of motorcyclists that gets together and does all the normal
things that a bunch of bikers do. They discuss motorcycles and
motorcycling, beverages, cleaning fluids, baklavah, balaclava, caltrops,
helmets, anti-fog shields, spine protectors, aerodynamics, three-angle valve
seats, bird hits, deer whistles, good restaurants, racing philosophy,
traffic laws, tickets, corrosion control, personalities, puns, double
entendres, culture, absence of culture, first rides and friendship. They
argue with each other and plan rides together.
The difference between this group and your local motorcycle club is that,
although they get together just about everyday, most have never seen each
other face to face. The members of this group live all over the known world
and communicate with each other electronically via computer.
The computers range from laptops to multi-million dollar computer centers;
the people range from college and university students to high-tech industry
professionals to public-access electronic bulletin-board users. Currently,
rec.motorcycles (pronounced "wreck-dot-motorcycles," it's the file name for
the group's primary on-line "meeting place") carries about 2250 articles per
month; it is read by an estimated 29,000 people. Most of the frequent
posters belong to a motorcycle club, the Denizens of Doom, usually referred
to as the DoD.
The DoD started when motorcyclist John R. Nickerson wrote a couple of
parodies designed to poke fun at motorcycle stereotypes. Fellow computer
enthusiast Bruce Robinson posted these articles under the pen name, "Denizen
of Doom." A while later Chuck Rogers signed off as DoD nr. 0003 Keeper of
the Flame. Bruce was then designated DoD nr. 0002, retroactively and, of
course, Nickerson, the originator of the parodies, was given DoD nr. 0001.
The idea of a motorcycle club with no organization, no meetings and no rules
appealed to many, so John Sloan -- DoD nr. 0011 -- became Keeper of the
List, issuing DoD numbers to anyone who wanted one. To date there have been
almost 400 memberships issued to people all over the United States and
Canada, as well as Australia, New Zealand, the United Kingdom, France,
Germany, Norway and Finland.
Keeper of the List Sloan eventually designed a club patch. The initial run
of 300 patches sold out immediately. The profits from this went to the
American Motorcycle Heritage Foundation. Another AMHF fund raiser --
selling Denizens of Doom pins to members -- was started by Arnie Skurow a
few months later. Again, the project was successful and the profits were
donated to the foundation. So far, the Denizens have contributed over $1500
to the AMA museum. A plaque in the name of the Denizens of Doom now hangs
in the Motorcycle Heritage Museum.
As often as possible, the DoD'ers crawl out from behind their CRTs and go
riding together. It turns out that the two largest concentrations of
DoD'ers are centered near Denver/Boulder, Colorado, and in California's
"Silicon Valley." Consequently, two major events are the annual Assault on
Rollins Pass in Colorado, and the Northern versus Southern California
"Joust."
The Ride-and-Feed is a bike trip over Rollins Pass, followed by a big
barbecue dinner. The concept for the Joust is to have riders from Northern
California ride south; riders from Southern California to ride north,
meeting at a predesignated site somewhere in the middle. An additional plan
for 1991 is to hold an official Denizens of Doom homecoming in conjunction
with the AMA heritage homecoming in Columbus, Ohio, in July.
Though it's a safe bet the the Denizens of Doom and their collective
communications hub, rec.motorcycles, will not replace the more traditional
motorcycle organizations, for those who prowl the electronic pathways in
search of two-wheeled camaraderie, it's a great way for kindred spirits to
get together. Long may they flame.
"Live to Flame -- Flame to Live" [centerbar]
This official motto of the Denizens of Doom refers to the ease with which
you can gratuitously insult someone electronically, when you would not do
anything like that face to face. These insults are known as "flames";
issuing them is called "flaming." Flames often start when a member
disagrees with something another member has posted over the network. A
typical, sophisticated, intelligent form of calm, reasoned rebuttal would be
something like: "What an incredibly stupid statement, you Spandex-clad
poseur!" This will guarantee that five other people will reply in defense
of the original poster, describing just what they think of you, your riding
ability and your cat.
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_The Denizens of Doom: The Saga Unfolds_
by John Sloan DoD #0011
Periodically the question "What is DoD?" is raised. This is one of
those questions in the same class as "Why is the sky blue?", "If there
is a God, why is there so much suffering in the world?" and "Why do
women inevitably tell you that you're such a nice guy just before they
dump you?", the kinds of questions steeped in mysticism, tradition,
and philosophy, questions that have inspired research and discussion
by philosophers in locker rooms, motorcycle service bays, and in the
halls of academe for generations.
A long, long time ago (in computer time, where anything over a few
minutes is an eternity and the halting problem really is a problem) on
a computer far, far away on the net (topologically speaking; two
machines in the same room in Atlanta might route mail to one another
via a system in Chicago), a chap who wished to remain anonymous (but
who was eventually assigned the DoD membership #1) wrote a satire of
the various personalities and flame wars of rec.motorcycles, and
signed it "The Denizen of Doom". Not wishing to identify himself, he
asked that stalwart individual who would in the fullness of time
become DoD #2 to post it for him. DoD #2, not really giving a whit
about what other people thought and generally being a right thinking
individual, did so. Flaming and other amusements followed.
He who would become the holder of DoD membership #3 thought this was
the funniest thing he'd seen in a while (being the sort that is pretty
easily amused), so he claimed membership in the Denizens of Doom
Motorcycle Club, and started signing his postings with his membership
number.
Perhaps readers of rec.motorcycles were struck with the vision of a
motorcycle club with no dues, no rules, no restrictions as to brand or
make or model or national origin of motorcycle, a club organized
electronically. It may well be that readers were yearning to become a
part of something that would provide them with a greater identity, a
gestalt personality, something in which the whole was greater than the
sum of its parts. It could also be that we're all computer nerds who
wear black socks and sneakers and pocket protectors, who just happen
to also love taking risks on machines with awesome power to weight
ratios, social outcasts who saw a clique that would finally be open
minded enough to accept us as members.
In a clear case of self fulfilling prophesy, The Denizens of Doom
Motorcycle Club was born. A club in which the majority of members have
never met one another face to face (and perhaps like it that way), yet
feel that they know one another pretty well (or well enough given some
of the electronic personalities in the newsgroup). A club organized
and run (in the loosest sense of the word) by volunteers through the
network via electronic news and mail, with a membership/mailing list
(often used to organize group rides amongst members who live in the
same region), a motto, a logo, a series of photo albums circulating
around the country (organized by DoD #9), club patches (organized by
#11), and even an MTV-style music video (produced by #47 and
distributed on VHS by #18)!
Where will it end? Who knows? Will the DoD start sanctioning races,
placing limits on the memory and clock rate of the on-board engine
management computers? Will the DoD organize poker runs where each
participant collects a hand of hardware and software reference cards?
Will the DoD have a rally in which the attendees demand a terminal
room and at least a 386-sized UNIX system? Only time will tell.
The DoD has no dues, no rules, and no requirements other than net
access and a love for motorcycles. To become a member, one need only
ask (although we will admit that who you must ask is one of the few
really good club secrets). New members will receive via email a
membership number and the latest copy of the membership list, which
includes name, state, and email address.
The Denizens of Doom Motorcycle Club will live forever (or at least
until next year when we may decided to change the name).
Live to Flame - Flame to Live
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The DoD daemon as seen on the patches, pins, etc. by
Chuck Rogers, car377@druhi.att.com, DoD #0003
:-( DoD )-:
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:-( x / / -\-----/- \ \ x )-:
:-( L | \/ \ / \/ | F )-:
:-( I | / \ / \ | L )-:
:-( V \/ __ / __ \/ A )-:
:-( E / / \ / \ \ M )-:
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:-( T | | . | _ | . | | )-:
:-( O | \___// \\___/ | T )-:
:-( \ \_/ / O )-:
:-( F \___ ___/ )-:
:-( L \ \ / / L )-:
:-( A \ vvvvv / I )-:
:-( M | ( ) | V )-:
:-( E | ^^^^^ | E )-:
:-( x \_______/ x )-:
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:-( x rec.motorcycles x )-:
:-( USENET )-:
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The DoD
by the Denizen of Doom DoD #1
Welcome one and all to the flamingest, most wonderfullest newsgroup of
all time: wreck.mudder-disciples or is it reak.mudder-disciples? The
Names have been changes to protect the Guilty (riders) and Innocent
(the bikes) alike. If you think you recognize a contorted version of
your name, you don't. It's just your guilt complex working against
you. Read 'em and weep.
We tune in on a conversation between some of our heros. Terrible
Barbarian is extolling the virtues of his Hopalonga Puff-a-cane to
Reverend Muck Mudgers and Stompin Fueling-Injection:
Terrible: This Hopalonga is the greatest... Beats BMWs dead!!
Muck: I don't mean to preach, Terrible, but lighten up on the BMW
crowd eh? I mean like I like riding my Yuka-yuka Fudgeo-Jammer
11 but what the heck.
Stompin: No way, the BMW is it, complete, that's all man.
Terrible: Nahhhh, you're sounding like Heritick Ratatnack! Hey, at
least he is selling his BMW and uses a Hopalonga Intercorruptor!
Not as good as a Puff-a-cane, should have been called a
Woosh-a-stream.
Stompin: You mean Wee-Stream.
Terrible: Waddya going to do? Call in reinforcements???
Stompin: Yehh man. Here comes Arlow Scarecrow and High Tech. Let's see
what they say, eh?
Muck: Now men, let's try to be civil about this.
High Tech: Hi, I'm a 9 and the BMW is the greatest.
Arlow: Other than my B.T. I love my BMW!
Terrible: B.T.???
Arlow: Burley Thumpison, the greatest all American ride you can own.
Muck: Ahhh, look, you're making Terrible gag.
Terrible: What does BMW stand for anyway???
Muck, Arlow, High: Beats Me, Wilhelm.
Terrible: Actually, my name is Terrible. Hmmm, I don't know either.
Muck: Say, here comes Chunky Bear.
Chunky: Hey, Hey, Hey! Smarter than your average bear!
Terrible: Hey, didn't you drop your BMW???
Chunky: All right eh, a little BooBoo, but I left him behind. I mean
even Villy Ogle flamed me for that!
Muck: It's okay, we all makes mistakes.
Out of the blue the West coasters arrive, led by Tread Orange with
Dill Snorkssy, Heritick Ratatnack, Buck Garnish, Snob Rasseller and
the perenial favorite: Hooter Boobin Brush!
Heritick: Heya Terrible, how's yer front to back bias?
Terrible: Not bad, sold yer BMW?
Heritick: Nahhh.
Hooter: Hoot, Hoot.
Buck: Nice tree Hooter, how'd ya get up there?
Hooter: Carbujectors from Hell!!!
Muck: What's a carbujector?
Hooter: Well, it ain't made of alumican!!! Made by Tilloslert!!
Muck: Ahh, come on down, we aren't going to flame ya, honest!!
Dill: Well, where do we race?
Snob: You know, Chunky, we know about about your drop and well, don't
ride!
Muck: No! No! Quiet!
Tread: BMW's are the greatest in my supreme level headed opinion.
They even have luggage made by Sourkraut!
High: My 9 too!
Terrible, Heritick, Dill, Buck: Nahhhhh!!!
Stompin, Tread, High, Chunky, Snob: Yesss Yessssss!!!
Before this issue could be resolved the Hopalonga crew called up more
cohorts from the local area including Polyanna Stirrup and the
infamous Booster Robiksen on his Cavortin!
Polyanna: Well, men, the real bikers use stirrups on their bikes like
I use on my Hopalonga Evening-Bird Special. Helpful for getting
it up on the ole ventral stand!
Terrible: Hopalonga's are great like Polyanna says and Yuka-Yuka's and
Sumarikis and Kersnapis are good too!
Booster: I hate Cavortin.
All: WE KNOW, WE KNOW.
Booster: I love Cavortin.
All: WE KNOW WE KNOW.
Muck: Well, what about Mucho Guzlers and Lepurras?
Snob, Tread: Nawwwwww.
Muck: What about a Tridump?
Terrible: Isn't that a chewing gum?
Muck: Auggggg, Waddda about a Pluck-a-kity?
Heritick: Heyya Muck, you tryin' to call up the demon rider himself?
Muck: No, no. There is more to Mudder-Disciples than arguing about make.
Two more riders zoom in, in the form of Pill Turret and Phalanx Lifter.
Pill: Out with dorsal stands and ventral stands forever.
Phalanx: Hey, I don't know about that.
And Now even more west coasters pour in.
Road O'Noblin: Hopalonga's are the greatest!
Maulled Beerstein: May you sit on a bikejector!
Suddenly more people arrived from the great dark nurth:
Kite Lanolin: Hey, BMW's are great, men.
Robo-Nickie: I prefer motorcycle to robot transformers, personally.
More riders from the west coast come into the discussion:
Aviator Sourgas: Get a Burley-Thumpison with a belted-rigged frame.
Guess Gasket: Go with a BMW or Burley-Thumpison.
With a roar and a screech the latest mudder-disciple thundered in. It
was none other that Clean Bikata on her Hopalonga CaBammerXorn.
Clean: Like look, Hopalonga are it but only CaBammerXorns.
Muck: Why??
Clean: Well, like it's gotta be a 6-banger or nothin.
Muck: But I only have a 4-banger.
Clean: No GOOD!
Chunky: Sob, some of us only have 2-bangers!
Clean: Inferior!
Stompin: Hey, look, here's proof BMW's are better. The Bimmer-Boys
burst into song: (singing) Beemer Babe, Beemer Babe give me a
thrill...
Road, Terrible, Polyanna, Maulled, Dill etc.: Wadddoes BMW stand for?
Heritick, Stompin, Snob, Chunky, Tread, Kite, High, Arlow: BEAT'S ME,
WILHEM!
Road, Terrible, Polyanna, Maulled, Dill etc.: Oh, don't you mean BMW?
And so the ensuing argument goes until the skies clouded over and the
thunder roared and the Greatest Mudder-Disciple (G.M.D.) of them all
boomed out.
G.M.D.: Enough of your bickering! You are doomed to riding
Bigot & Suction powered mini-trikes for your childish actions.
All: no, No, NO!!! Puhlease.
Does this mean that all of the wreck.mudder-disciples will be riding
mini-trikes? Are our arguing heros doomed? Tune in next week for the
next gut wretching episode of "The Yearning and Riderless" with its
ever increasing cast of characters. Where all technical problems will
be flamed over until well done. Next week's episode will answer the
question of: "To Helmet or Not to Helmet" will be aired, this is heady
material and viewer discretion is advised.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Script for the Denizens of Doom Anthem Video
by Jonathan E. Quist DoD #94
[Scene: A sterile engineering office. A lone figure, whom we'll call
Chuck, stands by a printer output bin, wearing a white CDC lab coat,
with 5 mechanical pencils in a pocket protector.]
(editor's note: For some reason a great deal of amusement was had at
the First Annual DoD Uni-Coastal Ironhorse Ride & Joust by denizens
referring to each other as "Chuck". I guess you had to be there. I
wasn't.)
Chuck: I didn't want to be a Software Systems Analyst,
cow-towing to the whims of a machine, and saying yessir, nosir,
may-I-have-another-sir. My mother made me do it. I wanted
to live a man's life,
[Music slowly builds in background]
riding Nortons and Triumphs through the highest mountain passes
and the deepest valleys,
living the life of a Motorcyclist;
doing donuts and evading the police;
terrorizing old ladies and raping small children;
eating small dogs for tea (and large dogs for dinner). In short,
I Want to be A Denizen!
[Chuck rips off his lab coat, revealing black leather jacket (with
fringe), boots, and cap. Scene simultaneously changes to the top of
an obviously assaulted Rollins Pass. A small throng of Hell's Angels
sit on their Harleys in the near background, gunning their engines,
showering lookers-on with nails as they turn donuts, and leaking oil
on the tarmac. Chuck is standing in front of a heavily chromed Fat
Boy.]
Chuck [Sings to the tune of "The Lumberjack Song"]:
I'm a Denizen and I'm okay,
I flame all night and I ride all day.
[Hell's Angels Echo Chorus, surprisingly heavy on tenors]:
He's a Denizen and he's okay,
He flames all night and he rides all day.
I ride my bike;
I eat my lunch;
I go to the lavat'ry.
On Wednesdays I ride Skyline,
Running children down with glee.
[Chorus]:
He rides his bike;
He eats his lunch;
He goes to the lavat'ry.
On Wednesdays he rides Skyline,
Running children down with glee.
[Chorus refrain]:
'Cause He's a Denizen...
I ride real fast,
My name is Chuck,
It somehow seems to fit.
I over-rate the worst bad f*ck,
But like a real good sh*t.
Oh, I'm a Denizen and I'm okay!
I flame all night and I ride all day.
[Chorus refrain]:
Oh, He's a Denizen...
I wear high heels
And bright pink shorts,
full leathers and a bra.
I wish I rode a Harley,
just like my dear mama.
[Chorus refrain]
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Why you have to be killed.
Well, the first thing you have to understand (just in case you managed
to read this far, and still not figure it out) is that the DoD started
as a joke. And in the words of one Denizen, it intends to remain one.
Sometime in the far distant past, a hapless newbie asked: "What does DoD
stand for? It's not the Department of Defense is it?" Naturally, a
Denizen who had watched the movie "Top Gun" a few times too many rose
to the occasion and replied:
"That's classified, we could tell you, but then we'd have to kill you."
And the rest is history.
A variation on the "security" theme is to supply disinformation about
what DoD stands for. Notable contributions (and contributers, where
known) include:
Daughters of Democracy (DoD 23) Doers of Donuts
Dancers of Despair (DoD 9) Debasers of Daughters
Dickweeds of Denver Driveway of Death
Debauchers of Donuts Dumpers of Dirtbikes
Note that this is not a comprehensive list, as variations appear to be
limited only by the contents of one's imagination or dictionary file.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
The rec.moto.photo archive
First a bit of history, this all started with Ilana Stern and Chuck
Rogers organizing a rec.motorcycles photo album. Many copies were made,
and several sets were sent on tours around the world, only to vanish in
unknown locations. Then Bruce Tanner decided that it would be appropriate
for an electronic medium to have an electronic photo album. Bruce has not
only provided the disk space and ftp & e-mail access, but he has taken
the time to scan most of the photos that are available from the archive.
Not only can you see what all these folks look like, you can also gawk
at their motorcycles. A few non-photo files are available from the
server too, they include the DoD membership list, the DoD Yellow Pages,
the general rec.motorcycles FAQ, and this FAQ posting.
Here are a couple of excerpts from from messages Bruce posted about how
to use the archive.
**********************************************************
Via ftp:
cerritos.edu [130.150.200.21]
Via e-mail:
The address is server@cerritos.edu. The commands are given in the body of the
message. The current commands are DIR and SEND, given one per line. The
arguments to the commands are VMS style file specifications. For
rec.moto.photo the file spec is [DOD]file. For example, you can send:
dir [dod]
send [dod]bruce_tanner.gif
send [dod]dodframe.ps
and you'll get back 5 mail messages; a directory listing, 3 uuencoded parts
of bruce_tanner.gif, and the dodframe.ps file in ASCII.
Oh, wildcards (*) are allowed, but a maximum of 20 mail messages (rounded up to
the next whole file) are send. A 'send [dod]*.gif' would send 150 files of
50K each; not a good idea.
--
Bruce Tanner (213) 860-2451 x 596 Tanner@Cerritos.EDU
Cerritos College Norwalk, CA cerritos!tanner
**********************************************************
A couple of comments: Bruce has put quite a bit of effort into this, so
why not drop him a note if you find the rec.moto.photo archive useful?
Second, since Bruce has provided the server as a favor, it would be kind
of you to access it after normal working hours (California time).
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Patches? What patches?
You may have heard mention of various DoD trinkets such as patches &
pins. And your reaction was probably: "I want!", or "That's sick!", or
perhaps "That's sick! I want!"
Well, there's some good news and some bad news. The good news is that
there's been an amazing variety of DoD-labeled widgets created. The bad
news is that there isn't anywhere you can buy any of them. This isn't
because of any "exclusivity" attempt, but simply because there is no
"DoD store" that keeps a stock. All of the creations have been done by
individual Denizens out of their own pockets. The typical procedure is
someone says "I'm thinking of having a DoD frammitz made, they'll cost
$xx.xx, with $xx.xx going to the AMA museum. Anyone want one?" Then
orders are taken, and a batch of frammitzes large enough to cover the
pre-paid orders is produced (and quickly consumed). So if you want a
DoD doodad, act quickly the next time somebody decides to do one. Or
produce one yourself if you see a void that needs filling, after all
this is anarchy in action.
Here's a possibly incomplete list of known DoD merchandise (and
perpetrators). Patches (DoD#11), pins (DoD#99), stickers (DoD#99),
motorcycle license plate frames (DoD#216), t-shirts (DoD#99), polo shirts
(DoD#122), Zippo lighters (DoD#99) [LtF FtL], belt buckles (DoD#99), and
patches (DoD#99) [a second batch was done (and rapidly consumed) by
popular demand].
All "profits" have been donated to the American Motorcyclist Association
Motorcycle Heritage Museum. As of June 1992, over $5500 dollars has been
contributed to the museum fund by the DoD. If you visit the museum,
you'll see a large plaque on the Founders' Wall in the name of "Denizens
of Doom, USENET, The World", complete with a DoD pin.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Here's a letter from the AMA to the DoD regarding our contributions.
~Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
~From: Arnie Skurow <arnie@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
~Subject: A letter from the Motorcycle Heritage Museum
~Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 11:04:58 GMT
I received the following letter from Jim Rogers, director of the Museum,
the other day.
"Dear Arnie and all members of the Denizens of Doom:
Congratulations and expressions of gratitude are in order for you and the
Denizens of Doom! With your recent donation, the total amount donated is
now $5,500. On behalf of the AMHF, please extend my heartfeld gratitude
to all the membership of the Denizens. The club's new plaque is presently
being prepared. Of course, everyone is invited to come to the museum to
see the plaque that will be installed in our Founders Foyer. By the way,
I will personally mount a Denizens club pin on the plaque. Again, thank
you for all your support, which means so much to the foundation, the
museum, and the fulfillment of its goals.
Sincerely,
Jim Rogers, D.O.D. #0395
Director
P.S. Please post on your computer bulletin board."
As you all know, even though the letter was addressed to me personally,
it was meant for all of you who purchased DoD goodies that made this
amount possible.
Arnie
------------------------------------------------------------------------
The Rules, Regulations, & Bylaws of the Denizens of Doom Motorcycle Club
From time to time there is some mention, discussion, or flame about the
rules of the DoD. In order to fan the flames, here is the complete text
of the rules governing the DoD.
Rule #1. There are no rules.
Rule #0. Go ride.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Other rec.motorcycles information resources.
There are several general rec.motorcycles resources that may or may not
have anything to do with the DoD. Most are posted on a regular basis,
but they can also be obtained from the cerritos ftp/e-mail server (see
the info on the photo archive above).
A general rec.motorcycles FAQ is maintained by Dave Williams.
Cerritos filenames are FAQn.TXT, where n is currently 1-5.
The DoD Yellow Pages, a listing of motorcycle industry vendor phone
numbers & addresses, is maintained by bob pakser.
Cerritos filename is YELLOW_PAGES_Vnn, where n is the rev. number.
The List of the DoD membership is maintained by The Keeper of the List.
Cerritos filename is DOD.LIST.
This WitDoD FAQ (surprise, surprise!) is maintained by yours truly.
Cerritos filename is DOD_FAQ.TXT.
Additions, corrections, etc. for any of the above should be aimed at
the keepers of the respective texts.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
(Loki Jorgenson loki@Physics.McGill.CA) has provided an archive site
for motorcycle and accessory reviews, here's an excerpt from his
periodic announcement.
**********************************************************
The Rec.Motorcycles.Reviews Archives (and World Famous Llama
Emporium) contains a Veritable Plethora (tm) of bike (and accessories)
reviews, written by rec.moto readers based on their own experiences.
These invaluable gems of opinion (highly valued for their potential to
reduce noise on the list) can be accessed via anonymous FTP, Email
server or by personal request:
Anonymous FTP: ftp.physics.mcgill.ca (132.206.9.13)
under ~ftp/pub/DoD
Email archive server: rm-reviews@ftp.physics.mcgill.ca
Review submissions/questions: rm-reviews@physics.mcgill.ca
NOTE: There is a difference in the addresses for review submission
and using the Email archive server (ie. an "ftp.").
To get started with the Email server, send an Email message with a line
containing only "send help".
NOTE: If your return address appears like
domain!subdomain!host!username
in your mail header, include a line like (or something similar)
path username@host.subdomain.domain
If you are interested in submitting a review of a bike that you
already own(ed), PLEASE DO! There is a template of the format that the
reviews are kept in (more or less) available at the archive site .
For those who have Internet access but are unsure of how anonymous
FTP works, an example script is available on request.
**********************************************************
Reviews of any motorcycle related accessory or widget are welcome too.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Updated stats & rec.motorcycles rides info
Some of the info cited above in various places tends to be a moving
target. Rather than trying to catch every occurence, I'm just sticking
the latest info down here.
Estimated rec.motorcycles readership: 35K [news.groups]
Approximate DoD Membership: 975 [KotL]
DoD contributions to the American Motorcyclist Association Motorcycle
Heritage Museum. Over $5500 [Arnie]
Organized (?) Rides:
Summer 1992 saw more organized rides, with the Joust in its third
year, and the Ride & Feed going strong, but without the Rollins Pass
trip due to the collapse of a tunnel. The East Coast Denizens got
together for the Right Coast Ride (RCR), with bikers from as far north
as NH, and as far south as FL meeting in the Blueridge Mountains of
North Carolina. The Pacific Northwest crew organized the first Great
Pacific Northwest Dryside Gather (GPNDG), another successful excuse for
riding motorcycles, and seeing the faces behind the names we all have
come to know so well. [Thanks to Ed Green for the above addition.]
Also worth mentioning are: The first rec.moto.dirt ride, held in the
Moab/Canyonlands area of southern Utah. Riders from 5 states showed up,
riding everything from monster BMWs to itty-bitty XRs to almost-legal
2-strokes. And though it's not an "official" (as if anything could be
official with this crowd) rec.moto event, the vintage motorcycle races
in Steamboat Springs, Colorado always provides a good excuse for netters
to gather. There's also been the occasional Labor Day gather in Utah.
European Denizens have staged some gathers too. (Your ad here,
reasonable rates!)
------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland 580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108
blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com BIX: blaine_g@bix.com FJ1200
Half of my vehicles and all of my computers are Kickstarted. DoD#46
--
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland 580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108
blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com BIX: blaine_g@bix.com FJ1200
Half of my vehicles and all of my computers are Kickstarted. DoD#46
|
4931 | From: jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Josh Hopkins)
Subject: Re: Solar Sail Data
Keywords: Solar Sail
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Lines: 25
ajjb@adam4.bnsc.rl.ac.uk (Andrew Broderick) writes:
>In article <1993Apr15.051746.29848@news.duc.auburn.edu> snydefj@eng.auburn.edu writes:
>>
>>I am looking for any information concerning projects involving Solar
>> Sails
>I was at an interesting seminar at work (UK's R.A.L. Space Science
>Dept.) on this subject, specifically on a small-scale Solar Sail
>proposed as a student space project. The guy giving the talk was keen to
>generate interest in the project. I'll typein the handout he gave out at
>the meeting. Here goes :
[Stuff deleted]
>However it is more difficult to design a practical solar sail than most
>people realize. The pressure of sunlight is only about one kilogram per
>square kilometer. ^^^^ ^^^^
I'm glad to see that someone is working on this. However, it would be nice if
he got his units right.
--
Josh Hopkins jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
"Find a way or make one."
-attributed to Hannibal
|
4932 | From: mg@cs.princeton.edu (Michael Golan)
Subject: how can 0.022 uF be different from two 0.047 in series?!
Originator: news@nimaster
Nntp-Posting-Host: elan.princeton.edu
Organization: Princeton University
Lines: 29
I was looking at the amps diagram for Sony 1090/2090 receivers, and I
was amazed to find a difference between the US and Canadian model
on the capacitor(s) that hangs off the output to the speakers:
------\/\/\----- to speaker (identical both models
from amp ---------------|
(idnetical both models) >
< 10
>
|
-----
| |
0.022 --- --- Canadian model only!
US model --- --- 0.047
and world-wide | |
model only. | --- Candian model only!
| --- 0.047
| |
----------- gound
The board itself is also identical, with room for all three caps. The
US/Can versions is clearly indicated in both places.
How does that make sense? 0.047/2 is 0.0235, essentially 0.022 for caps
(there are just standard caps, no special W/type/precision).
Please explain this
Michael Golan
mg@cs.princeton.edu
|
4933 | From: mkaschke@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Martin Kaschke)
Subject: 4-Band Equalizer
Reply-To: mkaschke@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Martin Kaschke)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD
Lines: 15
I was wondering if anyone out there in net-land knew of a SIMPLE
way to make a 4-band equalizer (single channel). I need it to accept
LINE inputs (tape deck, CD player, etc.) and output to the same! So
input impedance should equal output impedance. Also, since I am driving
a line, I would need 1 volt p-p output. Final requirement is that I
can either:
1. Control it digitally
OR
2. Control it easily, or with few resistors
FINALLY - If anyone knows of any FILTER or EQUALIZER chips, that might
be useful, please let me know. (I have seen a couple of them from NATIONAL,
and MAXIM). Thanks in advance,
Martin
|
4934 | From: house@helios.usq.EDU.AU (ron house)
Subject: Re: some thoughts.
Keywords: Dan Bissell
Organization: University of Southern Queensland
Lines: 42
bissda@saturn.wwc.edu (DAN LAWRENCE BISSELL) writes:
> First I want to start right out and say that I'm a Christian. It
I _know_ I shouldn't get involved, but... :-)
[bit deleted]
> The book says that Jesus was either a liar, or he was crazy ( a
>modern day Koresh) or he was actually who he said he was.
> Some reasons why he wouldn't be a liar are as follows. Who would
>die for a lie? Wouldn't people be able to tell if he was a liar? People
>gathered around him and kept doing it, many gathered from hearing or seeing
>someone who was or had been healed. Call me a fool, but I believe he did
>heal people.
> Niether was he a lunatic. Would more than an entire nation be drawn
>to someone who was crazy. Very doubtful, in fact rediculous. For example
>anyone who is drawn to David Koresh is obviously a fool, logical people see
>this right away.
> Therefore since he wasn't a liar or a lunatic, he must have been the
>real thing.
Righto, DAN, try this one with your Cornflakes...
The book says that Muhammad was either a liar, or he was crazy ( a
modern day Mad Mahdi) or he was actually who he said he was.
Some reasons why he wouldn't be a liar are as follows. Who would
die for a lie? Wouldn't people be able to tell if he was a liar? People
gathered around him and kept doing it, many gathered from hearing or seeing
how his son-in-law made the sun stand still. Call me a fool, but I believe
he did make the sun stand still.
Niether was he a lunatic. Would more than an entire nation be drawn
to someone who was crazy. Very doubtful, in fact rediculous. For example
anyone who is drawn to the Mad Mahdi is obviously a fool, logical people see
this right away.
Therefore since he wasn't a liar or a lunatic, he must have been the
real thing.
--
Ron House. USQ
(house@helios.usq.edu.au) Toowoomba, Australia.
|
4935 | From: eyal@fir.canberra.edu.au (Eyal Lebedinsky)
Subject: Re: int15h for joysticks is slow....
Organization: Info Sci & Eng, University of Canberra, AUSTRALIA
Lines: 89
In <1ql6i3INN8uh@no-names.nerdc.ufl.edu> lioness@oak.circa.ufl.edu writes:
>I'm using int15h to read my joystick, and it is hideously slow. Something
>like 90% of my CPU time is being spent reading the joystick, and this
>is in a program that does nothing but printf() and JoyRead().
If you only do read/print then there is no reason for the joystick stuff
not to take 90% of the time even if it is efficient.
>The problem is that a lot of programs trap int15h ( like SMARTDRV ) and
>so it is a slow as hell interface. Can I read the joystick port in
>a reasonably safe fashion via polling? And that isn't platform or
>clockspeed specific?
The truth is that int 15H joystick reading IS slow. I read it directly
from the hardware port. Note that doing so exposes you to intermittent
disturbance from interrupts, so you may want to read (say) twice in a
row and keep the lower results. Don't just turn interrupts off, it may
prove detrimental to the health of any high speed comms and other
devices.
Here is an example of how to do this:
/* ------------------------------ joy.c ------------------------------------- */
/* An example of how to read PC joystick port by polling the hardware port
* directly.
* Uses inp()/outp() for byte port access.
* Will timeout when 'int count=0' counts up to zero.
* This sample reads one port (A is presented and B is in the comments).
* You can read both at once by merging the two, but it will time out
* when either joystick is not connected.
*
* There is no need to optimize this routine since it runs for as long as
* the joystick circuitry needs.
*
* Written by Eyal Lebedinsky (eyal@ise.canberra.edu.au).
*/
#include <stdio.h>
#include <stdlib.h>
#include <conio.h>
extern int readjoy (int *x, int *y, int *b1, int *b2);
#define JOYPORT 0x201
#define XJOY 0x01 /* for joystick B use 0x04 */
#define YJOY 0x02 /* for joystick B use 0x08 */
#define XYMASK (XJOY|YJOY)
#define BUT1 0x10 /* for joystick B use 0x40 */
#define BUT2 0x20 /* for joystick B use 0x80 */
int /* returns 0 if ok */
readjoy (int *x, int *y, int *b1, int *b2)
{
register int count;
register char temp, joy;
temp = (char)XYMASK;
count = 0;
outp (JOYPORT, 0); /* set trigger */
do {
temp ^= (joy = (char)inp (JOYPORT));
if (temp & XJOY)
*x = count;
if (temp & YJOY)
*y = count;
} while (++count && ((temp = joy) & XYMASK));
*b1 = !(joy & BUT1);
*b2 = !(joy & BUT2);
return (!count);
}
/* This main() is for demonstration.
*/
int
main ()
{
int rc, x, y, b1, b2;
printf ("Hit any key to exit\n");
while (!kbhit ()) {
rc = readjoy (&x, &y, &b1, &b2);
printf ("\r%d %3d %3d %d %d", rc, x, y, b1, b2);
}
}
|
4936 | From: ryanph@mrl.dsto.gov.au
Subject: DREGISTERe: XV for MS-DOS
Organization: Defence Science and Technology Organisation
Lines: 43
NNTP-Posting-Host: mrl.dsto.gov.au
Pascal Perret, in article <1993Apr21.125750.263@eicn.etna.ch>, wrote
>
> Site : omnigate.clarkson.edu
> Aliases : grape.ecs.clarkson.edu
> Number : 128.153.4.2
>
> /pub/msdos/djgpp/pub
>
> it's xv221.zip (?) I think...
> Certainly you read the other answer from Kevin Martin... He write about DV/X
> (?).
>
> What is it ?????? Could Someone answer ????
Funny thing, the InterNet: I have no idea what xv221 might be - except that it
might be something to do with X-windows on PCs (? If you know, and have used
it, and think that it is good, email me. [ryanph@mrl.dsto.gov.au]).
DV/X is a common abbreviation for QuarterDeck corporation's Desqview/X
software.
I have not used DV/X yet, but reading the blurbs that Quarterdeck sent me, it
sounds pretty great:
* allows multiple DOS machines - the way that OS/2 does, but without
requiring 10 MB of RAM to get OS/2 going
* pre-emptive multi-tasking
* network computing - a proper X-windows client/server application -
this means that DOS program can be used on other X-windows computers on your
network, and that X-windows programs can be used on your DV/X computer
* although it is NOT a version of Unix, it effectively has many of
Unix's features, and mostly you will be able to compile unix-type programs
using the djgpp or gnu c compilers
They advertise regularly in all of the major computing and programming
magazines. They also have InterNet support online (support@qdeck.com).
> * Pascal PERRET | perret@eicn.etna.ch *
Hope that this helps anyone wanting to know.
Phil Ryan
Melbourne, australia
|
4937 | From: oconnor@eng.umd.edu (Mark O'Connor)
Subject: Re: Question about helmets
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park, MD
Lines: 10
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: coffee.eng.umd.edu
Originator: oconnor@coffee.eng.umd.edu
On the other side of the fence, I owned a Bieffe off-road helmet.
Took what I would consider a minor fall, and had visible damage
to the shell. Yes, the helmet did its job. But the damage/impact
ratio was scary. I own Bell Moto-5 now, have taken impacts on
order of twice the Bieffe impact (we do this frequently in MX),
and don't even have a scratch on it after two seasons. My
recommendation is to buy _high_ quality gear. YMMV.
-mark
|
4938 | From: trey@godzilla.larc.nasa.gov (Trey Arthur)
Subject: Re: >>> Bally's/Holiday Health Club \\\ LIFETIME MEMERSHIP ///
Organization: CSC - NASA Langley Research Center
Lines: 19
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: godzilla.larc.nasa.gov
In article <1r3v9j$t6f@access.digex.net>, jb@access.digex.com (jb) writes:
|> In article <C5J5K1.w0@visgraph.uucp> forrie@visgraph.uucp (Forrest Aldrich) writes:
|> >
|> >For sale: Life Time membership to the Ballys'/Holiday Fitness club. The
|> >original fee paid for this was over 1,000, and I'll sell it for 600. The
|> >membership is fully transferrable via proper paperwork.
|> >
|> Does is include raquetball? Is it good at Espree? What is the annual fee?
Since it is a Life Time membership, you won't have to worry about it
until your next life.
--
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* Trey Arthur CSC at NASA Langley *
* Aerospace Engineer MS 157D, Hampton, VA 23666 *
* j.j.arthur@larc.nasa.gov (804) 865-1725 *
***************************************************************
|
4939 | From: jrogoff@scott.skidmore.edu (jay rogoff)
Subject: Re: Expanded NL Strike Zone? (Was Re: A surfeit of offense?)
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
Lines: 5
It was my impression watching the Mets & Rockies that umpires were
calling strikes above the belt, too, but not as far up as the letters.
It would be nice if this were the case.
Jay
|
4940 | From: farley@access.digex.com (Charles U. Farley)
Subject: Where to get ATI card video drivers/fonts?
Organization: Express Access Online Communications USA: 800-546-2010
Lines: 8
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net
Summary: Where to get ATI card video drivers/fonts?
Keywords: ati,windows
Does anyone know where I can ftp or somehow else acquire the latest
video drivers /fonts for an ATI SVGA adapter? The only floppy I have
is for Windows 3.0. Does anyone know if ATI is still in business?
Thanks!
--
farley@access.digex.com <Charles U. Farley>
Average IQ of Calgary Board of Ed. Employee: 65
|
4941 | From: sbrenner@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (scott.d.brenner)
Subject: What's the Difference Between an M.D. and a D.O.?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Lines: 30
My wife and I are in the process of selecting a pediatrician for our
first child (due June 15th). We interviewed a young doctor last week
and were very impressed with her. However, I discovered that she is
actually not an Medical Doctor (M.D.) but rather a "Doctor of
Osteopathy" (D.O.). What's the difference? I believe the pediatrician
*I* went to for many years was a D.O. and he didn't seem different from
any other doctor I've seen over the years.
My dictionary says that osteopathy is "a medical therapy that emphasizes
manipulative techniques for correcting somatic abnormalities thought
to cause disease and inhibit recovery."
Jeez, this sounds like chiropractic. I remember getting shots and
medicine from *my* pediatrician D.O., and don't remember any
"manipulative techniques". Perhaps someone could enlighten me as to
the real, practical difference between an M.D. and a D.O. Also, I'm
interesting in hearing any opinions on choosing a pediatrician who
follows one or the other medical philosophy.
Readers of sci.med: Please respond directly to sbrenner@attmail.com;
I do not read this group regularly and probably won't see your response
if you just post it here. Sorry for the cross-posting, but I'm hoping
there's some expertise here.
a T d H v A a N n K c S e
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Scott D. Brenner AT&T Consumer Communications Services
sbrenner@attmail.com Basking Ridge, New Jersey
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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4942 | From: nmm1@cus.cam.ac.uk (Nick Maclaren)
Subject: Re: Key definitions in Emacs + X
Organization: U of Cambridge, England
Lines: 28
Nntp-Posting-Host: apus.cus.cam.ac.uk
In article <1993Apr16.183525.25197@midway.uchicago.edu> ajaffe@oddjob.uchicago.edu (Andrew Jaffe) writes:
>I use Emacs and I want to customize my keyboard better.
>When I set up stuff in my .emacs with a keymap and define-keys,
>I can only access certain of the keys on my X-Terminal's
>keyboard. I can't get e.g. F10, Home, End, PgUp, PgDn; they all
>seem to have either the same or no keycode. I have a feeling
>this can't be fixed in emacs itself, but that I need to do some
>xmodmap stuff. Can someone help me?
It is actually worse than you think. I have the same problem, and have
given up. Emacs has an internal table (somewhere!) which defines what
keys it will accept, and this table is system-dependent. I use a Sun
from my HP, and cannot get 'shift PageUp' to work - xmodmap is not
sufficient, or at least I haven't worked out how to make it work.
However, I CAN get ordinary 'PageUp' and 'shift CursorRight' to work,
and I do some customised things with them.
Note that the Emacs on my HP has no problem, and I am using exactly
the same xmodmap and Emacs configuration.
Nick Maclaren
University of Cambridge Computer Laboratory,
New Museums Site, Pembroke Street,
Cambridge CB2 3QG, England.
Email: nmm1@cus.cam.ac.uk
Tel.: +44 223 334761
Fax: +44 223 334679
|
4943 | From: holger.ohlwein@ap.mchp.sni.de (Holger Ohlwein)
Subject: Re: Canada 3 Sweden 1 at the World Champioships
Reply-To: holger.ohlwein@ap.mchp.sni.de (Holger Ohlwein)
Organization: Siemens Nixdorf Informationssysteme AG
Lines: 16
NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.21.16.6
In article <20APR199319243244@venus.cc.hollandc.pe.ca>, white@venus.cc.hollandc.pe.ca (Take me Baby!) writes:
>
> Today at the World Championships in Munich, Canada scored an
> impressive 3-1 victory over the defending World Champs, Sweden.
In the game *I* have seen yesterday in the Olympiahalle of Munich
Canada won 4-1 against Sweden! The last goal for Canada was at 19:59 in
the 3rd period. Maybe you shouldn't go and get you another beer
before the game is over and then post imaginary results...
Holger
--
S I E M E N S Holger Ohlwein AP153 Otto-Hahn-Ring 6 8000 Muenchen 83
------------- Tel: + 49 (89) 636-3746 Email: holger.ohlwein@ap.mchp.sni.de
N I X D O R F Never put off till tomorrow what you can avoid all together.
|
4944 | From: MLINDROOS@FINABO.ABO.FI (Marcus Lindroos INF)
Subject: Re: expanding to Europe:Dusseldorf
In-Reply-To: voecking@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE's message of Fri, 16 Apr 1993 07:37:16 GMT
Organization: Abo Akademi University, Finland
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24
Lines: 36
In <1993Apr16.073716.16514@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE> voecking@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE writes:
>
> In article <1993Apr15.192231.27574@abo.fi>, MLINDROOS@FINABO.ABO.FI (Marcus Lindroos INF) writes:
> |> In <PKORTELA.93Apr15164732@lk-hp-17.hut.fi> pkortela@snakemail.hut.fi writes:
> |>
> |> >
> |> > DEG has many german-born forwards in the team. In fact the majority of players
> |> > are german-born. 1992-93 DEG had 11150 average in 11800 spectator arena.
> |>
> |> Interesting! One of our German friends here (Robert?) told me their forwards
> |> were all Canadian-Germans. Perhaps somebody can sort this out for us?
>
> As far as I know Dusseldorf has only one Canadian-German forward (i.e. a player
> who was born in Canada but now has a German passport).
> Benoit Doucet became german by marriing a german and he is going to play
> for Germany in the WC.
>
> The other Canada-born forwards are:
> Peter-John Lee (has British passport)
> Chris Valentine
> Dale Dercatch
> Steve Gootas
> Earl Spry (?)
>
> At the moment there are only three German-born forwards coming into my mind:
> Bernd Trunschka, Andreas Brockmann, Ernst Koepf
Hm, do you think Dusseldorf fans would like it if their team joined the NHL?
Or do we have to include Koln as well (Cologne to you Anglophiles) to make
them happy?:-)
> Volker
MARCU$
>
|
4945 | From: cs1442au@news.uta.edu (cs1442au)
Subject: Dos 6.0 question
Organization: University of Texas at Arlington
Lines: 17
Could some kind soul please email ma a response since i don't have
much time to read this group.
Question: I have a 170 MB hard drive which currently has 10 MB left.
How much space will DoubleSpace allow me to have?? I have a 486 50 w/ 4
MB Ram if it matters.
Thanks in advance
Jason
--
Jason Brown
cs1442au@decster.uta.edu
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Fav player Ruben Sierra
|
4946 | From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Subject: Re: Blindsight
Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science
Lines: 14
In article <1993Mar26.185117.21400@cs.rochester.edu> fulk@cs.rochester.edu (Mark Fulk) writes:
>In article <33587@castle.ed.ac.uk> hrvoje@castle.ed.ac.uk (H Hecimovic) writes:
>compensation? Or are lesions localized to the SC too rare to be able
>to tell?
Extremely rare in humans. Usually so much else is involved you'd
just have a mess to sort out. Birds do all vision in the tectum,
don't they?
--
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Gordon Banks N3JXP | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and
geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."
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|
4947 | Subject: Re: Windows for WorkGroups and LAN Workplace
From: Flint.Waters@uwyo.edu (Flint Waters)
Distribution: comp.os.ms-windows.apps,comp.os.ms-windows.misc,comp.os.ms-,world
Organization: University of Wyoming
Nntp-Posting-Host: sheriff.uwyo.edu
Lines: 13
>Now does anyone know if it is possible to use W4WG and Lan Workplace
>for DOS at the same time.
>ie Can I access a file on another PC while being logged on to the
>mainframe at the same time, simultaneously.
Yup. We're using both and they work just fine. Hopefully, someday WFWG
will communicate over LWP TCPIP. Right now we have to load NetBeui.
I use ODI with ODINSUP and all works well.
|
4948 | From: rmah@panix.com (Robert Mah)
Subject: Re: electronic parts in NYC?
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC
Lines: 23
In <FRITZM.93Apr20225937@sun.panix.com> fritzm@panix.com (Fritz Mueller) writes:
>I just moved to NYC and wondered if there are any electronics hackers
>out there who could point me to places in NYC that sell individual
>electronic components (switches, pots, transformers, caps,
>...
Try Cables and Chips ... let me dig out a reciept ...
Here we are...
Cables & Chips at 121 Fulton Street, that's near South Street Seaport and
Wall Street. Phone is 212-619-3132 and 800-843-4117.
However, when ordering there, be VERY exact or there's a good chance they'll
screw up. Otherwise, they're pretty good, and they deliver too.
Cheers,
Rob
--
[----------------------------------------------------------------------]
[ Robert S. Mah | Voice: 212-947-6507 | "Every day an adventure, ]
[ One Step Beyond | EMail: rmah@panix.com | every moment a challenge" ]
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|
4949 | From: andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman)
Subject: Re: guns in backcountry? no thanks
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Lines: 25
In article <1qkcok$s9i@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ci946@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John K. Gever) writes:
>Public health experts will tell you that you are far more likely
>have your gun stolen, use it yourself on a family member or
>have it used on you than you are to use it on an actual criminal.
Actually, they won't. What they'll tell you is that if you add up the
number of suicides, murders of one drug dealer by another, legit
self-defenses of a battered spouse, and so on, you'll end up with a
number that is much larger than the number of self-defense killings
against strangers committed in the bedroom. (BTW - they didn't
honestly count the latter either, but let's not quibble.) They
try to claim that comparison is between the costs of self-defense
and the benefits, but they're wrong.
This comparison doesn't measure the costs of self-defense and it
doesn't measure the benefits either. For example, the goal is not to
kill the attacker, whatever your relationship to him, but to stop him.
While the number of killings may be proportional to the number of
stops, it isn't equal.
Anyone who confuses that comparison with an honest evaluation
is either lying or....
-andy
--
|
4950 | From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)
Subject: Re: Public-domain circuits in commercial applications
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology
Lines: 31
In article <1993Apr13.164924.2606@wuecl.wustl.edu> dp@cec1.wustl.edu (David Prutchi) writes:
>Can circuits found in electronics magazines (with no patent disclaimer)
>be used legally as subcircuits of a commercial unit ?
There are two issues here: copyright and patent.
The magazine article's contents are copyrighted, and may not be reproduced,
translated, etc., without the copyright holder's permission. However, this
does not cover the *ideas* expressed, only the form of expression. Copying
their circuit diagram or PC-board pattern is copyright infringement. But
it's unlikely that they could stretch copyright far enough to claim that
the circuit design itself is copyrighted. So long as you draw your own
diagrams and lay out your own boards, copyright shouldn't be an issue.
Patents are different. The author does *not* have to give you any warning
that the design is covered by patent (although it would be sensible for
him to do so). In fact, it's possible that *he* was infringing on someone
else's patent without realizing it. Ignorance of the patented status is
not a defence against infringement, although it might reduce the damages
a court would award.
However... unless there was something seriously novel about the circuit,
almost certainly it is "obvious to one skilled in the art" and therefore
unpatentable. Routine engineering is not patentable; patents (in theory)
cover only inventions, ideas that are genuinely new.
Caution: I am not a lawyer. Consulting a professional would be wise if
significant amounts of money are at stake.
--
All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology
- Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry
|
4951 | From: dwilson@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (David Wilson)
Subject: VIDEOCAMERA, AMIGA 3000, HP THINKJET For Sale as of 4/18
Lines: 49
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA
Lines: 49
If you are interested in (any of) the following, please contact me:
EMail mbeck@vtssi.vt.edu
Phone (703)552-4381
USMail Michael Beck
1200 Progress Street #5500E
Blacksburg, Virginia 24060
~~~~~~~~~~FOR SALE as of 12AM 4/16/93~~~~~~~~~~
1 PANASONIC AF X8 CCD OmniMovie Camcorder
VHS HQ
High Speed Shutter
Flying Erase Head
ca. 3 years old, but only used VERY lightly
Date/Time stamp
Counter/Memory
Rec Review
Fade
Back Light
Auto/Manual Focus
Built in microphone/Jack for external microphone
Comes with:
Sturdy aluminum/hardplastic carrying case
(20" long X 13" wide X 6" high)
Shoulder strap
Power adaptor/battery charger
Battery pack
Remote recording controller
UHF/VHF ---> cable adaptor
Audio/Video cables and adaptor
Aproximate dimensions (measured around outmost features)
15" long X 4" wide X 8" high (w/ handle)
ASKING PRICE: $BEST OFFER so far $350, but looking for more
($700 new price)
1 AMIGA 3000UX 25mhz, unix compatible machine w/100 meg Hard
Drive, 4 meg RAM, no monitor, keyboard (ESC and ~ keys
broken)
ASKING PRICE: $1500 OBO.
1 Hewlett Packard ThinkJet Printer w/ HP-IB interface
Like NEW in original box
ASKING PRICE: $250 OBO.
SOLD!! AT&T Portable Cellular Phone, Model 3730
ASKING PRICE: $SOLD FOR $350 (Listed at $600 new)
SOLD!! COMPAQ LTE/286 laptop - contact for details
BEST OFFER SO FAR $SOLD FOR $475
|
4952 | From: cyberman@toz.buffalo.ny.us (Cyberman)
Subject: Re: what to do with old 2
Lines: 33
X-Maildoor: WaflineMail 1.00r
{Jason Haines} said
"what to do with old 256k"
to <All> on 04-15-93 04:38
JH> I was wondering if people had any good uses for old
JH> 256k SIMMs. I have a bunch of them for the Apple Mac
JH> and I know lots of other people do to. I have tried to
JH> sell them but have gotten NO interest.
How about collecting them all together (IE everyones) and
selling them as a lot? The other thing is to give to a
recycler.
JH> So, if you have an inovative use (or want to buy
JH> some SIMMs 8-) ), I would be very interested in hearing
JH> about it.
If they are free and you can send them real cheap! I would
be intrested in them. hehehe Are these 2 chip or 8 chip
devices what speed?
JH> I have seen RAM disc storage devices but they have been
JH> very pricey (plus I am still a little worried about having data
JH> stored on RAM).
Why? Do you use a RAM disk? :)
Stephen Cyberman@Toz.Buffalo.NY.US
Mangled on Fri 04-16-1993 at 19:58:29
... Badgers... we don't need no steenking Badgers!
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
|
4953 | From: sigma@rahul.net (Kevin Martin)
Subject: Re: Stay Away from MAG Innovision!!!
Nntp-Posting-Host: bolero
Organization: a2i network
Lines: 10
In <16BB58B33.D1SAR@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU> D1SAR@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU (Steve Rimar) writes:
>My Mag MX15F works fine....................
Mine was beautiful for a year and a half. Then it went <foomp>. I bought
a ViewSonic 6FS instead. Another great monitor, IMHO.
--
Kevin Martin
sigma@rahul.net
"I gotta get me another hat."
|
4954 | From: cme@ellisun.sw.stratus.com (Carl Ellison)
Subject: Re: Hard drive security
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering
Lines: 18
NNTP-Posting-Host: ellisun.sw.stratus.com
Keywords: cooperation
In article <m5c5fkj@rpi.edu> antonh@rpi.edu writes:
>say, can anyone send my info on how to encrpyt a hard disk [...]
>ps. I would also like know the consequences of those types of actions if i
>so chose to do them in the future in this country and european countries.
People have been encrypting notes in their notebooks for hundreds of years
-- maybe over a thousand. It's a long tradition dating at least back to
the alchemists.
I know of nothing bad happening to them. I would assume that nothing bad
would happen to you, given this long history establishing encryption as
the property of individuals, to do with as they please.
--
- <<Disclaimer: All opinions expressed are my own, of course.>>
- Carl Ellison cme@sw.stratus.com
- Stratus Computer Inc. M3-2-BKW TEL: (508)460-2783
- 55 Fairbanks Boulevard ; Marlborough MA 01752-1298 FAX: (508)624-7488
|
4955 | From: purinton@toyon-next.Stanford.EDU (Joshua Jordan Purinton)
Subject: Re: The [secret] source of that announcement
Organization: Stanford University
Lines: 22
In article <1r3hgqINNdaa@uwm.edu> Rick Miller <rick@ee.uwm.edu> writes:
>jbotz@mtholyoke.edu (Jurgen Botz) writes:
>>marc@mit.edu (Marc Horowitz N1NZU) writes:
>>Seems like sombody didn't like your snooping around, Marc.
>
>Or, the more *likely* explanation is that Marc is spoofing.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>I sincerely doubt that Denning and crew are keen enough to react that
>quickly, and I doubt they'd want to cripple their SMTP server t'boot.
>
Marc is not spoofing. Try it yourself. At least, the commands work
exactly as he described (i.e. they do not work.)
- Josh.
--
No pattern, content or thing is the being who looks out from each pair of eyes.
And only that is important. - E. T. Gendlin
|
4956 | From: tuinstra@signal.ece.clarkson.edu.soe (Dwight Tuinstra)
Subject: political point of attack: Clipper infrastructure
Reply-To: tuinstra@signal.ece.clarkson.edu.soe
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Lines: 37
Nntp-Posting-Host: signal.ece.clarkson.edu
My earlier argument that "Clipper will encourage state and local cops
to commit criminal acts" is largely moot, now that we've learned that
the FBI will perform the actual tap. [It will encourage the *FBI* to
commit (even more) criminal acts, but that's not the point here.]
But this gives another avenue of attack on the Clipper proposal. When
the EFF/ACLU/CPSR FOIA requests are made, they should ask for details
on the bureaucratic and equipment infrastructure that is proposed (or
even already budgeted) for the FBI to service tapping requests -- for now
and the projected future.
From these figures, estimate the number of Clipper-tap requests the FBI
is expecting. Publish this figure. Compare it on a per-capita basis
with the amount of tapping now known or suspected.
Also estimate how expensive it would be for the FBI to install more
Clipper-tapping stations, and how rapidly they could be built and
installed ... ie, get the "plus or minus" epsilon for the near future.
Might be a mite disturbing for J. Q. Public to know these things.
And despite all the technical details [BTW, thanks to those who've been
providing them!], we still don't know
1) how the tapping requests will be transmitted and authenticated (though
it isn't too hard to guess a good scheme).
2) how the results will be securely transmitted (Fed Ex the audio tapes?)
3) how privacy will be re-established when an investigation is complete.
+========================================================================+
| dwight tuinstra best: tuinstra@sandman.ece.clarkson.edu |
| tolerable: tuinstrd@craft.camp.clarkson.edu |
| |
| "Homo sapiens: planetary cancer?? ... News at six" |
+========================================================================+
|
4957 | Subject: Quotation? Lowest bidder...
From: bioccnt@otago.ac.nz
Organization: University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand
Nntp-Posting-Host: thorin.otago.ac.nz
Lines: 12
Can someone please remind me who said a well known quotation?
He was sitting atop a rocket awaiting liftoff and afterwards, in answer to
the question what he had been thinking about, said (approximately) "half a
million components, each has to work perfectly, each supplied by the lowest
bidder....."
Attribution and correction of the quote would be much appreciated.
Clive Trotman
|
4958 | From: atae@spva.ph.ic.ac.uk (Ata Etemadi)
Subject: Ideal Operating System (Was: DEATH BLOW TO UNIX)
Nntp-Posting-Host: prawn.sp.ph
Organization: Imperial College of Science, Technology, and Medicine, London, England
Lines: 45
G'Day
Windows NT is a step forward, but not by much. I guess for DOS users who
think multi-tasking is really _neat_ (add puke here) and are overjoyed to
be able to use more than 64K of memory, its a major improvement. For Windows
users its more like an upgrade with facilities most Unix users take for
granted. Most of Windows users only use PCs for text processing or running
3rd-party applications anyway so the operating system features are not even
a real issue. My ideal operating system:
Binary compatible across all plaforms. It should recognize
binaries and configure on the fly, so I don't have to have
bin/Mac bin/DOS bin/Dec bin/Sun bin/HP etc...
Multi-CPU. So I can use the CPUs on my PC and W/S and Mac
and Transputers and DSPs. I don't know a single site which
has gone for a single vendor. I am not going to trade-in
80Mflops per H1 transputer or ultra-fast FFT on DSP chips.
Note NT runs on Symmetric multi-CPU systems.
Built-in portable GUI/Graphics tools. You can call DrawButton
or DrawLine and it does the same thing no matter what platform
or display. It should also translate graphics commands on-the-fly.
so I can use PC graphics S/W on my workstation and X software on
my PC. I think GUIs are not just nice to have but essential.
Configurable front-end. So you can make it look like Unix or DOS
or NT or OS/2, and run shell scripts or command/BAT files.
Object oriented. So I can program easily under it and not have
to re-invent the wheel if the networking is not up to scratch
or my application needs to access source/object code on the fly.
In other words it should have some AI capability. That and a tight, clean
kernel so you can actually understand it. Anyone know of something like this ?
adios
Ata <(|)>.
--
| Mail Dr Ata Etemadi, Blackett Laboratory, |
| Space and Atmospheric Physics Group, |
| Imperial College of Science, Technology, and Medicine, |
| Internet/Arpanet/Earn/Bitnet atae@spva.ph.ic.ac.uk or ata@c.mssl.ucl.ac.uk |
| Span SPVA::atae or MSSLC:atae |
|
4959 | From: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr)
Subject: Re: Drinking and Riding
Nntp-Posting-Host: acs3.acs.ucalgary.ca
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta
Lines: 30
In article <C4wKBp.B9w@eskimo.com> maven@eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes:
> What is a general rule of thumb for sobriety and cycling? Couple hours after
>you "feel" sober? What? Or should I just work with "If I drink tonight, I
>don't ride until tomorrow"?
Interesting discussion.
I limit myself to *one* 'standard serving' of alcohol if I'm
going to ride. And mostly, unless the alcohol is something
special (fine ale, good wine, or someone else's vsop), I usually
just don't drink *any*.
But then alcohol just isn't really important to me, mainly
for financial reasons...
At least one of the magazines claims to follow the
aviation guideline of "no alcohol whatsoever" within
24hrs of riding a 'company' bike.
Don't remember which mag though, it was a few years ago.
Regards, Charles (hicc.)
DoD:0.001
RZ350
--
Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of
separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time,
struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing
gourd. --Unknown net.person
|
4960 | From: alee@ecs.umass.edu
Subject: ***** HP calculator for $13 *****
Lines: 13
Greetings!
HP 20s forsale.
comes with case
no manuals
excellent condition
asking for $13.00
If interested, please E-mail today.
Al
|
4961 | From: derich@netcom.com (Scotty*Tissue)
Subject: 15-day, 30-day, 60-day disabled list questions
Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Lines: 20
I've a curiousity --
Whenever a person is put on the 15-day, 30-day or 60-day,
the person is on the list longer than the specificed time
I've seen a person on the 15-day for maybe 4 months last year, I don't
remember what...
I just need a little clarification on the disabled list specifications.
- Scotyy
--
Scott Allen Steinbrink ************************************************
* GO CLEVELAND CAVALIERS!! NBA FINALS '93!!!!!!*
NetCom: Derich@netcom.com * GO CLEVELAND INDIANS!!!! WORLD SERIES '93!!!!*
Digex: derich@digex.com * GO CLEVELAND BROWNS!!!!! SUPER BOWL '94!!!!!!*
************************************************
|
4962 | From: jfc@athena.mit.edu (John F Carr)
Subject: Re: Screw the people, crypto is for hard-core hackers & spooks only
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Lines: 37
NNTP-Posting-Host: achates.mit.edu
In article <1993Apr20.145338.14804@shearson.com>
pmetzger@snark.shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger) writes:
[I wrote:]
>>The chip and algorithm are classified. If you reverse engineer it and
>>tell people, you are likely to go to jail.
>Well, I'm not a lawyer, but from what I can tell this is completely
>and utterly untrue.
>The U.S. does NOT have an official secrets act. We do have laws that
>will punish you for revealing what classified information you learned
>in your capacity as a government official, contractor, etc, and we
>have laws that prohibit stealing such information. However, if they
>sell you the chip, I can't see that they can make reverse engineering
>it and revealing the details illegal.
In most cases information you come by properly is yours to use as you wish,
but there are certainly exceptions. If you write a paper which includes
sufficiently detailed information on how to build a nuclear weapon, it is
classified. As I understand the law, nuclear weapons design is
_automatically_ classified even if you do the work yourself. I believe you
are then not allowed to read your own paper.
A less serious example: if you tell drivers about a speed trap they are
about to run into, you can be fined, even though you might argue that you
broke no law when you discovered the location of the policeman. The charge
is interfering with a police officer, which is quite similar what you would
be doing by reverse engineering the Clipper chip.
Don't tell me that you think this violates the Constitution -- find some
court cases which have struck down such laws. Many people would not be
comforted by the fact that the government violated their rights when it
imprisoned them.
--
John Carr (jfc@athena.mit.edu)
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4963 | From: mageors@sdf.lonestar.org (Bill Mageors)
Subject: Genie Garage door remote forsale
Organization: sdf public access Unix - Dallas, TX.
Lines: 11
I have a genie garage door transmitter forsale, this unit is a three
button station. will operate three different door or gate openers.
Has never been used, normaly goes for $45.00 Im ask $20.00 + shipping.
If interested please email me.
mageors@sdf.lonestar.org
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4964 | From: tlin@badger.Berkeley.EDU (Tony Lin)
Subject: WANTED: SPI's "War of the Ring"
Organization: Statistics Dept., U. C. Berkeley
Lines: 9
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: badger.berkeley.edu
The subject line says it all -- I'm trying to locate a copy of SPI's
board game "War of the Ring." Anyone have a copy with which they are
willing to part?
Thanks a million ...
-- Tony
(tlin@stat.berkeley.edu)
|
4965 | From: jmilhoan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (JT)
Subject: Re: A StyleWriter II question
Nntp-Posting-Host: top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University
Lines: 10
In article <egaillou.734894813@miniac> egaillou@etu.gel.ulaval.ca (Eric Gailloux) writes:
>I just read an article on the SWII. One thing puzzles me: the article says the
>SWII is a serial-only device. Does that mean I'll have to unplug my modem each
>time I want to print something???
No. Plug the printer in the printer port, and the modem in the modem
port. ;)
JT
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4966 | From: ricky@watson.ibm.com (Rick Turner)
Subject: Re: M-MOTION VIDEO CARD: YUV to RGB ?
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM.
Nntp-Posting-Host: danebury.hursley.ibm.com
Organization: IBM UK Labs
Lines: 3
I'll contact you offline about this.
Rick
|
4967 | From: lieuwen@allegra.att.com (Dan Lieuwen)
Subject: Re: The obvious isn't politically correct.
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill, NJ
Lines: 5
The last state church was in Massachusetts. Sam Adams, the patriot-brewmaster,
during his tenure as governor after the Revolutionary War got it passed.
I believe it was eliminated around 1820.
dan
|
4968 | From: jdw@unislc.slc.unisys.com (James Warren)
Subject: Re: Reasonable (for criminals?) Civie Arms Limits
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Lines: 27
> In article <1993Apr19.223925.2342@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes:
>A poster claims he 'always asks [anti-gunners] what they think would
>be reasonable personal firepower restrictions'. OK then ...
>
>Caliber : Not greater than 32
>Muzzle : Not greater than 300 ft/lbs with any combo of bullet wt/vel
>Action : Single shot rifles and single action revolvers
> Revolvers bearing no more than six rounds and incorporating
> an 'anti-fanning' mechanism to discourage Roy Rogers wannabes.
>Bullets : Any non-explosive variety, HPs just fine.
>
>Now - these specs leave the 32 H&R magnum as about the most powerful
>allowable civie cartridge for handgun or rifle use. It would be
>reasonably effective against home intruders, muggers, rabid wolves
>and other such nasties, even with the firearm-type limitations. At the
>same time, this caliber/power limit would reduce the ultimate lethality
>of hits.
I suspect that you think that this is less lethal than the typical
"assault weapon". You are wrong. Compared to what most criminals use, a
9mm with military ammo (FMJs), or a military rifle (use is extremely
rare), .223 or 7.62mm with military ammo (FMJs), the .32 H&R magnum with
"civie" bullets is more lethal. Most of the arms which criminals (and
the military) use are among the least lethal arms in existance.
What if we just punish the criminal and leave the law abiding citizen
alone? It hasn't been tried in recient times, but it might work.
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4969 | From: dana@lando.la.locus.com (Dana H. Myers)
Subject: What is a squid? (was Re: Riceburner Respect)
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Lines: 16
In article <C5qqxp.IE1@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com> hartzler@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (Jerry Hartzler - CATS) writes:
>In article <1993Apr15.192558.3314@icomsim.com> mmanning@icomsim.com (Michael Manning) writes:
>
>>duck. Squids don't wave, or return waves ever, even to each
> ^^^^^^
> excuse me for being an ignoramus, but what are these.
Squids are everybody but me and you. Chris Behanna is especially a squid.
--
* Dana H. Myers KK6JQ | Views expressed here are *
* (310) 337-5136 | mine and do not necessarily *
* dana@locus.com DoD #466 | reflect those of my employer *
* This Extra supports the abolition of the 13 and 20 WPM tests *
|
4970 | From: Nanci Ann Miller <nm0w+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: New Member
Organization: Sponsored account, School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Lines: 16
<1993Apr16.015931.12153@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
NNTP-Posting-Host: andrew.cmu.edu
In-Reply-To: <1993Apr16.015931.12153@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
jcopelan@nyx.cs.du.edu (The One and Only) writes:
> Welcome. I am the official keeper of the list of nicknames that people
> are known by on alt.atheism (didn't know we had such a list, did you).
> Your have been awarded the nickname of "Buckminster." So the next time
> you post an article, sign with your nickname like so:
> Dave "Buckminster" Fuller. Thanks again.
>
> Jim "Humor means never having to say you're sorry" Copeland
Of course, the list has to agree with the nickname laws laid down by the
GIPU almost 2000 years ago (you know... the 9 of them that were written on
the iron tablets that melted once and had to be reinscribed?). Since I am
a prophet of the GIPU I decree that you should post the whole list of
nicknames for the frequent posters here!
Nanci
|
4971 | From: Thomas Kephart <kephart@snowhite.eeap.cwru.edu>
Subject: Need help installing a simms in 700, quick!
Organization: Case School of Engineering
Lines: 5
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: b62182.student.cwru.edu
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d20
X-XXMessage-ID: <A7F60E8B6E01F2E6@b62182.student.cwru.edu>
X-XXDate: Sat, 17 Apr 93 19:44:11 GMT
Could someone please send instructions for installing simms and vram to
jmk13@po.cwru.edu? He's just gotten his 700 and wants to drop in some
extra simms and vram that he has for it.
Thanks... and don't reply to me, reply to jmk13@po.cwru.edu (Joe)
|
4972 | From: k_mullin@oz.plymouth.edu (Mully)
Subject: Montreal Question.......
Reply-To: k_mullin@oz.plymouth.edu (Mully)
Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, N.H.
Lines: 9
What position does Mike Lansing play? I cannot seem to find it
anywhere. Thanks!!!!1
K-->
--
---
Keith J. Mullins (o o)
P.S.C -----------oOO--(_)--OOo----------- INTERNET:
Plymouth, NH | "It takes a big man to cry, but | k_mullin@oz.plymouth.edu
|
4973 | From: rsilver@world.std.com (Richard Silver)
Subject: Barbecued foods and health risk
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Lines: 10
Some recent postings remind me that I had read about risks
associated with the barbecuing of foods, namely that carcinogens
are generated. Is this a valid concern? If so, is it a function
of the smoke or the elevated temperatures? Is it a function of
the cooking elements, wood or charcoal vs. lava rocks? I wish
to know more. Thanks.
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4974 | From: amathur@ces.cwru.edu (Alok Mathur)
Subject: How to get 24bit color with xview frames ?
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
Lines: 55
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: amethyst.ces.cwru.edu
Hi !
I am using Xview 3.0 on a Sparc IPX under Openwindows along with a XVideo board
from Parallax which enables me to use 24 bit color. I am having some problems
utilizing the 24 bit color and would greatly appreciate any help in this matter.
I use Xview to create a Frame and then create a canvas pane inside which I use
to display live video. My video input is 24 bit color.
The problem is that my top level frame created as
frame = (Frame) xv_create(NULL,FRAME,NULL);
seems to have a depth of 8 which is propagated to my canvas.
I would like to know how I can set the depth of the frame to be 24 bits.
I tried using the following Xlib code :
XVisualInfo visual_info;
int depth = 24;
Colormap colormap;
XSetWindowAttributes attribs;
unsigned long valuemask = 0;
Window *win;
Xv_opaque frame;
win = xv_get(frame,XV_XID);
XMatchVisualInfo(display,screen,depth,TrueColor,&visual_info);
/* So far so good */
colormap = XCreateColormap(display,win,visual_info,AllocNone);
/* It dies here with a BadMatch error :( */
attribs.colormap = colormap;
valuemask |= CWColormap;
XChangeWindowAttributes(display,w,valuemask,&attribs);
XSetWindowColormap(display,win,colormap);
Am I using a completely wrong approach here ? Is it possible to set the depth
and colormap for a window created by Xview ? What am I doing wrong ?
Thanks in advance for any help that I can get. I would prefer a response via
email although a post on the newsgroup is also okay.
Thanks again,
Alok.
---
ALOK MATHUR
Computer Science & Engg, Case Western Reserve Univ, Cleveland, OH 44106
11414 Fairchild Road, #2, Cleveland, OH 44106
Off - (216) 368-8871 Res - (216) 791-1261, email - amathur@alpha.ces.cwru.edu
|
4975 | From: montasmm@ntmtv.com (Medi Montaseri)
Subject: Saddle bags and helmets for sale...
Originator: montasmm@nmtvs299
Nntp-Posting-Host: nmtvs299
Reply-To: montasmm@ntmtv.com (Medi Montaseri)
Organization: Northern Telecom Inc, Mountain View, CA
Distribution: ba
Lines: 28
I'm selling the following items...
- a pair of hard saddle bags
- easy installation
- snap release feature with lock
- black
- brand is Krusures
- two oshi full face helmets
take all for $275
These are comming off of my bike that I'm selling, maybe
you could use the whole thing, bike and accessories.
1983 Yamaha, vision 550
call Medi @ work (415) 940-2306
home (408) 744-1169
Thanks
--
+-------------------------------------------------------+
| Medi Montaseri montasmm@ntmtv.com |
| ...{ames.mcdcup}!ntmtv!montasmm |
+-------------------------------------------------------+
|
4976 | From: lazarus@katarina.dev.cdx.mot.com (John McGlaughlin)
Subject: Re: How many read sci.space?
Nntp-Posting-Host: katarina.dev.cdx.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Codex, Canton, Massachusetts
Lines: 18
rborden@ugly.UVic.CA (Ross Borden) writes:
> Quick! Everyone who sees this, post a reply that says:
> "Hey, I read sci.space!"
>Then we can count them, and find out how many there are! :-)
>(This will also help answer that nagging question: "Just what is
>the maximum bandwidth of the Internet, anyways?")
Don't you think it would be better to E-mail back to you that we read sci.space
so that you can count them and every server in the world does not have to get
BW'd to death. Or instead you could possible cut and past all the senders into
a single post and save on header bandwidth.... Not meaning to be taken as a
flame it's late and we have to work toward a demo .... little punchy
--
-jftm-
|
4977 | From: engp2254@nusunix1.nus.sg (SOH KAM YUNG)
Subject: Re: Protection of serial (RS232) lines
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Lines: 39
Martin John Gregory (mgregory@flash.pax.tpa.com.au) wrote:
: I've started to look at some devices doing serial data transmission
: over fairly decent distances in fairly noisy environments, and have
: seen a variety of schemes for protecting the RS232 transceivers (and
: the rest of the circuit) from transients on the serial lines. I'm
: left wondering what is the best way of doing this? How necessary is
: it?
: [stuff deleted]
: What is the wisdom on this out there?
:
: Ta,
:
: Martin.
:
:
From what I know, protection is necessary, esp. if you plan to route
the cables into an unknown environment (out of your control). Things
like accidental shorts between the signal lines and power cables, or
even lightning strikes are very likely and I don't think you like to see
the sight of your computer going up in smoke! [Even ethernet cards are
protected. I've looked at the one in my PC and the connector is
protected by a gas discharge tube!]
{But if you plan to use the serial cables for internal routings (i.e. in
controlled environments), it should be reasonably safe not to have
them.}
Suggestion: look in the RS data book. They have several RS232
transceivers that have overvoltage protection. Among them include the
LT1080, LT1081 and MAX250 and MAX251. The Maxims are suppose to be
electrically isolated ones but still need opto-isolators to work (don't
ask me why. I've never used them before.
Another alternative is an RS232 surge protector. Two are listed in the
RS catalogue. If you need additional info (i.e. stock nos.), just e-mail
me.
Soh Kam Yung,
engp2254@nusunix1.nus.sg
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4978 | From: eulenbrg@carson.u.washington.edu (Julia Eulenberg)
Subject: Re: Arythmia
Article-I.D.: shelley.1r7mfbINNhvu
Organization: University of Washington
Lines: 2
NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu
Alexis Perry asked if low blood potassium could be dangerous. Yes.
ZZ
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4979 | From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer)
Subject: Re: Roe v. Wade
Distribution: na
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA
Lines: 56
In article <lsm2fjINNlnf@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, chased@rbbb.Eng.Sun.COM (David Chase) writes:
> >> In article <15230@optilink.COM> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes:
# ## #I remain pro-choice, but when pro-choicers compare abortion in a
# ## #clinic to a religious ritual in a church, you have to start wondering
# ## #a bit if the pro-life criticism of abortion as modern human sacrifice
# ## #doesn't have a grain of truth to it.
#
# #In article <ls8ruoINN54b@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM#, chased@rbbb.Eng.Sun.COM (David Chase) writes:
# ##
# ## Ah, Clayton, so I see that you have found someone new to bash. Tell
# ## me, how many pro-choicers have compared abortion in a clinic to a
# ## religious ritual in a church? I'll bet that you've seen "overwhelming
# ## support" for this opinion in some newsgroup or another.
#
# In article <15313@optilink.COM# cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes:
# #No, but I've seen the comparison drawn by pro-choicers in ca.politics.
# #It is worrisome to me. But not to you?
#
# 1. I've been reading ca.politics for a while now, and I don't recall
# seeing such a comparison.
You don't read *my* postings very carefully; I'm not surprised. It
was pretty shocking, and is part of why my sympathy (though not
agreement) with the pro-lifers is increasing.
# 2. A handful of lunatic opinions expressed in ca.politics does not
# make me think that the opinion is widely held.
When did I say that it was?
# Clayton, I wish I knew what made you tick. Your math sucks, and you
# take single instances of fringe opinions and proclaim the existence of
# a pernicious trend. There's about a quarter billion people living in
# this country -- some small number of them are almost guaranteed to
# hold opinions that you (and I) find positively repellent. As long as
# the small number is truly a small number, and as long as they're not
# my neighbor (highly likely), I'm not worried about it.
When they hold high public office, you should worry.
# By the way, when you cite experts, remember that Carl Sagan and Paul
# Ehrlich [sp?] are experts, too. If I've never heard of your experts,
# I'll consider the source (you, a man who is clearly unable to master
# elementary statistics and uses of statistical inference) and ignore
# them.
#
# David Chase
You mean, I don't come to the conclusions that your emotional
state requires.
--
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine!
Relations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all.
|
4980 | From: mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate)
Subject: Re: Who Says the Apostles Were Tortured?
Lines: 9
The traditions of the church hold that all the "apostles" (meaning the 11
surviving disciples, Matthias, Barnabas and Paul) were martyred, except for
John. "Tradition" should be understood to read "early church writings other
than the bible and heteroorthodox scriptures".
--
C. Wingate + "The peace of God, it is no peace,
+ but strife closed in the sod.
mangoe@cs.umd.edu + Yet, brothers, pray for but one thing:
tove!mangoe + the marv'lous peace of God."
|
4981 | From: cox@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Sherman Cox)
Subject: Re: SDA Doctrinal Distinctives
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Lines: 21
healta@saturn.wwc.edu (TAMMY R HEALY) writes:
>In article <Mar.17.02.04.45.1993.23612@athos.rutgers.edu> jodfishe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (joseph dale fisher) writes:
>|There is a book provided by the SDA which is entitled "The Seventh Day
>|Adventist Church believes", or something like that.
>The book is called "27 basic fundamental beliefs" or something very close to
>that. the number *IS* 27, not 30. I have a copy at home (i'm away at
>school.)
Actually the book is called "Seventh Day Adventists believe..." And there
are 27 basica beliefs. I believe it is printed by the Reveiew and
Herald Publishing Association.
--
"Competition is the law of the jungle.
Cooperation is the law of civilization." -- Eldridge Cleaver
Sherman Cox, II scox@uahcs2.cs.uah.edu
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4982 | Subject: unix sale
From: "mike budlanski" <mike.budlanski@canrem.com>
Reply-To: "mike budlanski" <mike.budlanski@canrem.com>
Distribution: misc
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Lines: 24
****UNIX****UNIX****UNIX****UNIX****UNIX****UNIX****UNIX****
FORSALE:
ESIX UNIX System V Release 4 - NEW!
2 user license system - $400
Unlimited user license system - $450
2 user license system with dev kit - $500
Unlimited user license system with dev kit - $550
The above systems include all of the floppies or tapes and
instalation manuals. They are new and have never been
installed before. Market value for the above systems is
about $1500 US! If you are interested, please contact me
at 416-233-6038.
Thanks,
...Mike
mike.budlanski@canrem.com
--
Canada Remote Systems - Toronto, Ontario
416-629-7000/629-7044
|
4983 | From: adn6285@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: MR2 parts
Nntp-Posting-Host: vaxa.isc.rit.edu
Reply-To: adn6285@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Lines: 4
Does anyone know of a dead first generation MR2? I need body parts, steering
rack, and a few minor pieces. I was about to buy a parts car, but the owner
backed out after 3 month of pulling my leg. ARRRRgh.
Mike.S
|
4984 | From: eliot@lanmola.engr.washington.edu (eliot)
Subject: Re: Manual Shift Bigots
Organization: clearer than blir
Lines: 20
NNTP-Posting-Host: lanmola.engr.washington.edu
In article <C5o4nH.3su@news.cso.uiuc.edu> mchaffee@dcl-nxt07 (Michael T Chaffee) writes:
>W/r/t performance, converter lockup is purely irrelevant. The lockup only
>occurs at light throttle settings and serves only to improve MPG. Mind you,
>a converter clutch does a lovely job of improving MPG, but the additional
>mechanical advantage of the converter gives you more acceleration (vs. locked
>converter clutch) than its inherent losses take away.
the transmission in my car contradicts both your assertions.. i get much
stronger acceleration if i let the convertor lockup.. which i can induce
by briefly lifting off, then quickly (but not too quickly to trigger
a kickdown) applying throttle. above 3000 rpms, the convertor will never
unlock; it would kickdown first.
who says there's no skill involved in driving an automatic? i think
of it as the throttle and shifter combined into a single pedal. with
my car i can pretty much influence its shifting patterns with my
right foot, while having both hands to steer.
eliot
|
4985 | From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (CarolinaFan@uiuc)
Subject: Re: Most bang for between $13,000 and $16,000
Article-I.D.: news.C5345n.DGF
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Lines: 36
jmh@hopper.Virginia.EDU (Jeffrey Hoffmeister) writes:
>In article <1993Apr6.200200.29965@progress.com> damelio@progress.COM (Stephen D'Amelio) writes:
>>
>>rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade) writes:
>>
>>>> There's only one car that really fits your needs. It's spelled:
>>>>
>>>> 5.0 LITER MUSTANG
>>
>sports car, butm my mothers '88 GT was considered a sports car.
>I still can't quite figure that out, since when do plastic add-ons
>make a car a sports car?
>Jeff
We're talking about insurance agents from Bumf**k Illinois (ST.FARM is
HQ'ed in Bloomington). What the hell do they know about cars... Both are
sports cars... :-)
--
Chintan Amin The University of Illinois/Urbana Champaign mail: llama@uiuc.edu
******************************************************************************
*"Because he was human Because he had goodness Because he was moral*
***************They called him insane..." Peart "Cinderella Man"*************
|
4986 | From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)
Subject: Re: Space Station Redesign, JSC Alternative #4
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology
Lines: 14
In article <1ralibINNc0f@cbl.umd.edu> mike@starburst.umd.edu (Michael F. Santangelo) writes:
>... The only thing
>that scares me is the part about simply strapping 3 SSME's and
>a nosecone on it and "just launching it." I have this vision
>of something going terribly wrong with the launch resulting in the
>complete loss of the new modular space station (not just a peice of
>it as would be the case with staged in-orbit construction).
It doesn't make a whole lot of difference, actually, since they weren't
building spares of the station hardware anyway. (Dumb.) At least this
is only one launch to fail.
--
SVR4 resembles a high-speed collision | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology
between SVR3 and SunOS. - Dick Dunn | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry
|
4987 | Reply-To: dcs@witsend.tnet.com
From: "D. C. Sessions" <dcs@witsend.tnet.com>
Organization: Nobody but me -- really
X-Newsposter: TMail version 1.20R
Subject: Re: Zionism is Racism
Distribution: world
Lines: 23
In <1993Apr21.104330.16704@ifi.uio.no>, michaelp@ifi.uio.no (Michael Schalom Preminger) wrote:
#
# In article <20APR93.23565659.0109@VM1.MCGILL.CA>, B8HA000 <B8HA@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA> writes:
# > In Re:Syria's Expansion, the author writes that the UN thought
# > Zionism was Racism and that they were wrong. They were correct
# > the first time, Zionism is Racism and thankfully, the McGill Daily
# > (the student newspaper at McGill) was proud enough to print an article
# > saying so. If you want a copy, send me mail.
# >
# Was the article about zionism? or about something else. The majority
# of people I heard emitting this ignorant statement, do not really
# know what zionism is. They have just associated it with what they think
# they know about the political situation in the middle east.
#
# So Steve: Lets here, what IS zionism?
Assuming that you mean 'hear', you weren't 'listening': he just
told you, "Zionism is Racism." This is a tautological statement.
--- D. C. Sessions Speaking for myself ---
--- Note new network address: dcs@witsend.tnet.com ---
--- Author (and everything else!) of TMail (DOS mail/news shell) ---
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4988 | From: noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring)
Subject: Great Post! (was Re: Candida (yeast) Bloom...) (VERY LONG)
Summary: Warning, lots of words in typical Phlegmatic fashion
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Lines: 447
GREAT post Martin. Very informative, well-balanced, and humanitarian
without neglecting the need for scientific rigor.
(Cross-posted to alt.psychology.personality since some personality typing
will be discussed at the beginning - Note: I've set all followups to sci.med
since most of my comments are more sci.med oriented and I'm sure most of the
replies, if any, will be med-related.)
In article banschbach@vms.ocom.okstate.edu writes:
>I can not believe the way this thread on candida(yeast) has progressed.
>Steve Dyer and I have been exchanging words over the same topic in Sci.
>Med. Nutrition when he displayed his typical reserve and attacked a woman
>poster for being treated by a licenced physician for a disease that did
>not exist. Calling this physician a quack was reprehensible, Steve, and I
>see that you and some of the others are doing it here as well.
They are just responding in their natural way: Hyper-Choleric Syndrome (HCS).
Oops, that is not a recognized "illness" in the psychological community,
better not say that since it therefore must not, and never will, exist. :^)
Actually, it is fascinating that a disproportionate number of physicians
will type out as NT (for those not familiar with the Myers-Briggs system,
just e-mail me and I'll send a summary file to you). In the general
population, NT's comprise only about 12% of the population, but among
physicians it is much much higher (I don't know the exact percentage -
any help here a.p.p.er's?)
One driving characteristic of an NT, especially an NTJ, is their obvious
choleric behavior (driver, type A, etc.) - the extreme emotional need to
control, to lead, and/or to be the best or the most competent. If they are
also extroverted, they are best described as "Field Marshalls". This trait
is very valuable and essential in our society - we need people who want to
lead, to strive to overcome the elements, to seek and thirst for knowledge,
to raise the level of competency, etc. The great successes in science and
technology are in large part due to the vision (an N trait) and scientifically-
minded approach (T trait) of the NT personality (of course, the other types
and temperaments have their own positive contributions as well). However,
when the NT person has self-image challenges, the "dark-side" of this
personality type usually comes out, which should be obvious to all.
A physician who is a strong NT and who has not learned to temper their
temperament will be extremely business-like (lack of empathy or feeling),
and is very compelled to have total control over their patient (the patient
must be obedient to their diagnosis and prescription without question). I've
known many M.D.'s of this temperament and suffice to say I don't oblige them
with a followup visit, no matter how competent I think they are (and they
usually are very competent from a knowledge viewpoint since that is an
extreme drive of theirs - to know the most, to know it all).
Maybe we need more NF doctor's. :^)
Enough on this subject - let's move on to candida bloom.
>Let me tell you who the quacks really are, these are the physicans who have
>no idea how the human body interacts with it's environment and how that
>balance can be altered by diet and antibiotics... Could it just be
>professional jealousy? I couldn't help Elaine or Jon but somebody else did.
You've helped me already by your post. Of course, I believe that I have
been misdiagnosed on the net as suffering from 'anal retentivitis', but being
the phlegmatic I am, maybe I was just a little too harsh on a few people
myself in past posts. Let's all try to raise the level of this discussion
above the level of anal effluent.
>...Humans have all
>kinds of different organisms living in the GI system (mouth, stomach, small
>and large intestine), sinuses, vagina and on the skin. These are
>nonpathogenic because they do not cause disease in people unless the immune
>system is compromised. They are also called nonpathogens because unlike
>the pathogenic organisms that cause human disease, they do not produce
>toxins as they live out their merry existence in and on our body. But any of
>these organisms will be considered pathogenic if it manages to take up
>residence within the body. A poor mucus membrane barrier can let this
>happen and vitamin A is mainly responsible for setting up this barrier.
In my well-described situation (in prior posts), I definitely was immune
stressed. Blood tests showed my vitamin A levels were very low. My sinuses
were a mess - no doubt the mucosal lining and the cilia were heavily damaged.
I also was on antibiotics 15 times in 4 years! In the end, even two weeks
of Ceftin did not work and I had confirmed diagnoses of a chronic bacterial
infection of the sinuses via cat-scans, mucus color (won't get into the
details), and other symptoms. Three very traditional ENT's made this
diagnosis (I did not have any cultures done, however, because of the
difficulty of doing this right and because my other symptoms clearly showed
a bacterial infection). Enough of this background (provided to help you
understand where I was when I make comments about my Sporanox anti-fungal
therapy below).
The first question I have is this. Can fungus penetrate a little way into poor
mucus membrane tissue, maybe via hyphae, thus causing symptoms, without being
considered 'systemic' in the classic sense? It is sort of an inbetween
infection.
>Steve got real upset with Elaine's doctor because he was using anti-fungals
>and vitamin A for her GI problems. If Steve really understoood what
>vitamin A does in the body, he would not(or at least should not) be calling
>Elaine's doctor a quack.
I was concerned, too, because of the toxicity of vitamin A. My doctor, after
my blood tests, put me on 75,000 IU of vitamin A for one week only, then
dropped it down to 25,000 IU for the next couple of weeks. I also received
zinc and other supplementation, since all of these interrelate in fairly
complex ways as my doctor explained (he's one of those 'evil' orthomolecular
specialists). I had a blood test three weeks later and vitamin A was normal,
he then stopped me on all vitamin A (except for some in a multi-vitamin)
supplement), and made sure that I maintain a 50,000 IU/day of beta carotene.
Call me carrot face. :^)
Hopefully, Elaine's doctor will take a similar, careful approach and to
all supplements. I'm even reevaluating some supplements I'm taking, for
example, niacin in fairly large dosages, 1 gram/day, which Steve Dyer had
good information about on sci.med.nutrition. If niacin only has second-order
improvement in symptomatic relief of my sinus allergies, then it probably is
not worth taking such a large dose long-term and risking liver damage.
>survives. If it gets access to a lot of glucose, it blooms and over rides
>the other organisms living with it in the sinuses, GI tract or vagina. In
Though I do now believe, based on my successful therapy with Sporanox, that
I definitely had some excessive growth of fungus (unknown species) in my
sinuses, I still want to ask the question: have there been any studies that
demonstrate candida "blooms" in the sinuses with associated sinus irritation
(sinusitis/rhinitis)? (My sinus irritation reduced significantly after one
week of Sporanox and no other new treatments were implemented during this
time - I did not have any noticeable GI track problems before starting on
Sporanox, but some for a few days after which then went away - considered
normal).
BTW, my doctor dug out one of his medical reference books (sorry, can't
remember which one), and found an obscure comment dating back into the 1950's
which stated that people can develop contained (non-lethal or non-serious)
aspergillis infestations (aspergiliosis) of the sinuses leading to sinus
inflammation symptoms. I'll have to dig out that reference again since it
is relevant to this discussion.
>some people do really develop a bad inflammatory process at the mucus
>membrane or skin bloom site. Whether this is an allergic like reaction to
>the candida or not isn't certain.
My doctor tested me (I believe a RAST or RAST similar test) for allergic
response to specificially Candida albicans, and I showed a strong positive.
Another question, would everybody show the same strong positive so this test
is essentially useless? And, assuming it is true that Candida can grow
part-way into the mucus membrane tissue, and the concentration exceeds a
threshold amount, could not a person who tests as having an allergy to
Candida definitely develop allergic symptoms, such as mucus membrane
irritation due to the body's allergic response? As I said in an earlier post,
one does not need to be a rocket scientist, or have a M.D. degree or a
Ph.D. in biochemistry to see the plausibility of this hypothesis.
BTW, and I'll repost this again. Dr. Ivker, in his book, "Sinus Survival",
has routinely given, before anything else, Nizoral (a pre-Sporanox systemic
anti-fungal, not as safe and not as good as Sporanox) to his new chronic
sinusitis patients IF they have been on antibiotics four or more times in
the last two years. He claims that out of 2000 or so patients, well over
90% notice some relief of sinus inflammation and other symptoms, but it
doesn't cure it by any means, implying the so-called yeast/fungus infection
is not the primary cause, but a later complication. He's also found that
nystatin, whether taken internally, or put into a sinus spray, does not help.
This implies (of course assuming that excessive yeast/fungus bloom is
aggravating the sinus inflammation) that the yeast/fungus has grown partway
into the tissue since nystatin will not kill yeast/fungus other than by
direct contact - it is not absorbed into the blood stream. Again, I admit,
lots of 'ifs', and 'implies', which doesn't please the hard-core NT who
has to have the double-blind study or it's a non-issue, but one has to start
with some plausible hypothesis/explanation, a strawman, if you will.
>If it's internal, only symptoms can be used and these symptoms are pretty
>nondescript.
This brings up an interesting observation used by those who will deny
and reject any and all aspects of the 'yeast hypothesis' until the
appropriate studies are done. And that is if you can't observe or culture
the yeast "bloom" in the gut or sinus, then there's no way to diagnose or
even recognize the disease. And I know they realize that it is virtually
impossible to test for candida overbloom in any part of the body that cannot
be easily observed since candida is everywhere in the body.
It's a real Catch-22.
Another Catch-22: Those who totally reject the 'yeast hypothesis' say that
no studies have been done (actually studies have been done, but if it's not
up to a certain standard then it is, from their perspective, a non-study which
should not even be considered). I agree that the appropriate studies should
be done, and that will take big $ to do it right. However, in order to
convince the funding agencies in these austere times to open their wallets,
you literally have to give them evidence, and the only acceptable evidence to
compete with other proposals is paradoxically to do almost the exact study
needed funding. That is, you have to do 90% of the study before you even get
funding (as a scientist at a National Lab, I'm very aware of this for the
smaller funded projects). I'm afraid that even if Dr. Ivker and 100 other
doctors got together, pooled their practice's case histories and anecdotes
into a compelling picture, and approach the funding agencies, they would get
nowhere, even if they were able to publish their statistical results.
It is obvious from the comments by some of the doctors here is that they have
*decided* excessive yeast colonization in the gut or sinuses leading to
noticeable non-lethal symptoms does not exist, and is not even a tenable
hypothesis, so any amount of case histories or compiled anecdotal evidence
to the contrary will never change their mind, and not only that, they would
also oppose the needed studies because in their minds it's a done issue -
excessive yeast growth leading to diffuse allergic symptoms does not, will
not, and cannot exist. Period. Kind of tough to dialog with those who hold
such a viewpoint. Kind of reminds me of Lister...
>Candida is kept in check in most people by the normal bacterial flora in
>the sinuses, the GI tract(mouth, stomach and intestines) and in the
>vaginal tract which compete with it for food. The human immune system
>ususally does not bother itself with these(nonpathogenic organisms) unless
>they broach the mucus membrane "barrier". If they do, an inflammatory
>response will be set up. Most Americans are not getting enough vitamin A
>from their diets. About 30% of all American's die with less Vitamin A than
>they were born with(U.S. autopsy studies). While this low level of vitamin
>A does not cause pathology(blindness) it does impair the mucus membrane
>barrier system. This would then be a predisposing factor for a strong
>inflammatory response after a candida bloom.
Aren't there also other nutrients necessary to the proper working of the
sinus mucus membranes and cilia?
>While diabetics can suffer from a candida "bloom" the most common cause of
>this type of bloom is the use of broad spectrum antibiotics which
>knock down many different kinds of bacteria in the body and remove the main
>competition for candida as far as food is concerned. While drugs are
>available to handle candida, many patients find that their doctor will not
>use them unless there is evidence of a systemic infection. The toxicity of
>the anti-fungal drugs does warrant some caution. But if the GI or sinus
>inflammation is suspected to be candida(and recent use of a broad spectrum
>antibiotic is the smoking gun), then anti-fungal use should be approrpriate
>just as the anti-fungal creams are an appropriate treatment for recurring
>vaginal yeast infections, in spite of what Mr. Steve Dyer says.
Again, the evidence from mycological studies indicate that many yeast/fungus
species can grow hyphae ("roots") into deep tissue, similar to mold growing
in bread. You can continue to kill the surface, such as nystatin does, but
you can't kill that which is deeper in the tissue without using a systemic
anti-fungal such as itraconazole (Sporanox) or some of the older ones such
as Nizoral which are more toxic and not as effective. This is why, as has
been pointed out by recent studies (sent to me by a doctor I've been in
e-mail contact with - thanks), that nystatin is not effective in the long-
term treatment of GI tract "candidiasis". It's like trying to weed a garden
by cutting off what's above the ground but leaving the roots ready to come
out again once you walk away.
The $60000 question is whether a contained candida "bloom" can partially
grow into tissue through the mucus membranes, causing some types of symptoms
in susceptible people (e.g., allergy), without becoming "systemic" in the
classical sense of the word - something in between strictly an excessive
bloom not causing any problems and the full-blown systemic infection that
is potentially lethal.
>In the GI system, the ano-rectal region seems to be a particularly good
>reservoir for candida and the use of pantyhose by many women creates a very
>favorable environment around the rectum for transfer(through moisture and
>humidity) of candida to the vaginal tract. One of the most effctive ways to
>minimmize this transfer is to wear undyed cotton underwear.
Also, if one is an 'anal retentive', like I've been diagnosed in a prior
post, that can also provide more sites for excessive candida growth. ;^)
>If the bloom occurs in the anal area, the burning, swelling, pain and even
>blood discharge make many patients think that they have hemorroids. If the
>bloom manages to move further up the GI tract, very diffuse symptomatology
>occurs(abdominal discomfort and blood in the stool). This positive stool
>for occult blood is what sent Elaine to her family doctor in the first
>place. After extensive testing, he told her that there was nothing wrong
>but her gut still hurt. On to another doctor, and so on. Richard Kaplan
>has told me throiugh e-mail that he considers occult blood tests in stool
>specimens to be a waste of time and money because of the very large number of
>false positives(candida blooms guys?). If my gut hurt me on a constant
>basis, I would want it fixed. Yes it's nice to know that I don't have
>colon cancer but what then is causing my distress? When I finally find a
>doctor who treats me and gets me 90% better, Steve Dyer calls him a quack.
As I've said in private e-mail, there are flaws in our current medical system
that make it difficult or even impossible for a physician to attempt
alternative therapies AFTER the approved/proven/accepted therapies don't work.
For example, I went to three ENT's, who all said that I will just have to live
with my acute/chronic sinusitis after the ab's failed (they did mention
surgery to open up the ostia, but my ostia weren't plugged and it would not
get to the root cause of my condition). After three months of aggressive and
fairly non-standard therapy (Sporanox, body nutrient level monitoring and
equalization, vitamin C, lentinen, echinacea, etc.), my health has vastly
improved to where I was two years ago, before my health greatly deteriorated.
Of course, skeptics would say that maybe if I did nothing I would have
improved anyway, but that view is stretching things quite far because of the
experience of the three ENT's I saw who said that I'd just have to "live with
it". I'm confident I will reach what one could call a total "cure". The
anti-fungal program I undertook was one necessary step in that direction
because of my overuse of ab's for the last four years. (Note: for those
having sinus problems, may I suggest the book by Dr. Ivker I mention above.
Be sure to get the revised edition.)
>...I have often wondered what an M.D. with chronic
>GI distress or sinus problems would do about the problem that he tells his
>patients is a non-existent syndrome.
Dr. Ivker started off having chronic and severe sinus problems, and his
visits to several ENT's totally floored him when they said "you'll just have
to live with it". He spent several years trying everything - standard and
non-standard, until he was essentially cured of chronic sinusitis. He now
shares his approach in his book and I can honestly say that I am on the road
to recovery following some parts of it. His one recommendation to take a
systemic anti-fungal at the beginning of treatment IF you have a history of
anti-biotic overuse has been proven to him time and time again in his own
practice. I'm sure if I commented to him of the hard-core beliefs of the anti-
"yeast hypothesis" posters that he would have definite things to say, such as,
"it's worked wonders for me in almost two thousand cases", to put it mildly.
I also would not be surprised if he would say that they are the ones violating
their moral obligations to help the patient.
Maybe those doctors who are reading this who have a practice and are
confronted by a patient having symptoms that could be due to the "hypothetical
yeast overgrowth" (e.g., they fit some of the profiles the pro-yeast people
have identified), should consider anti-fungal therapy IF all other avenues
have been exhausted. Remember, theory and practice are two different things -
you cannot have one without the other, they are synergistic. If a doctor does
something non-standard yet produces noticeable symptomatic relief in over a
thousand of his patients, shouldn't you at least sit up and take notice?
Maybe you ought to trust what he says and begin hypothesizing why it works
instead of why it shouldn't work. I'm afraid a lot of doctors have become
so enamored with "scientific correctness" that they are ignoring the patients
they have sworn to help. You have to do both; both have to be balanced, which
we don't see from some of the posters to this group. There comes a point when
you just have to use a little common sense, and maybe an empirical approach
(such as trying a good systemic anti-fungal such as Sporanox) after having
exhausted all the other avenues. I was one of those who the traditional
medical establishment was not able to help, so I did the natural thing: I
went to a couple of doctor's who are (somewhat) outside this establishment,
and as a result I have found significant relief.
Would it not be better if the traditional medical establishment can set up
some kind of mechanism where any doctor, without fear of being sued or having
his license pulled, can try experimental and unproven (beyond a doubt)
therapies for his/her patients that finally reach the point where all the
accepted therapies are ineffective? I'd like to hear a doctor tell me:
"well, I've tried all the therapies that are approved and accepted in this
country, and since they clearly don't work for you, I now have the authority
to use experimental, unproven techniques that seem to have helped others. I
can't promise anything, and there are some risks. You will have to sign
something saying you understand the experimental and possibly risky nature of
these unproven therapies, and I'll have to register your case at the State
Board." Anyway, if my ENT had suggested this to me, I would've jumped on this
pronto instead of going to one of those doctors who, for either altruistic
reasons, or for greed, is practicing these alternative therapies with much
risk to him/her (risk meaning losing their license) and possibly to the
patient. Such a mechanism would keep control in the more mainstream medicine,
and also provide valuable data that would essentially be free. It also would
be morally and ethically better than the current system by showing the
compassion of the medical community to the patient - that it's doing everything
it can within reason to help the patient. It is the lack of such a mechanism
that is leading large numbers of people to try alternative therapies, some of
which seem to work (like my case), and others of which will never work at all
(true quackery).
I better get off my soapbox before this post reaches 500K in size.
>If taken orally, it can also become a major bacteria in the gut. Through
>aresol sprays, it has also been used to innoculate the sinus membranes.
>But before this innoculation occurs, the mucus membrane barrier system
>needs to be strengthened. This is accomplished by vitamin A, vitamin C and
>some of the B-complex vitamins. Diet surveys repeatedly show that Americans
>are not getting enough B6 and folate. These are probably the segement of
>the population that will have the greatest problem with this non-existent
>disorder(candida blooms after antibiotic therapy).
What dosage of B6 appears to be necessary to promote the healing and proper
working of the mucos memebranes?
>Some of the above material was obtained from "Natural Healing" by Mark
>Bricklin, Published by Rodale press, as well as notes from my human
>nutrition course. I will be posting a discussion of vitamin A sometime in
>the future, along with reference citings to point out the extremely
>important role that vitamin A plays in the mucus membrane defense system in
>the body and why vitamin A should be effective in dealing with candida
>blooms. Another effective dietary treatment is to restrict carbohydrate
>intake during the treatment phase, this is especially important if the GI
>system is involved. If candida can not get glucose, it's not going to out
>grow the bacteria and you then give bacteria, which can use amino acids and
>fatty acids for energy, a chance to take over and keep the candida in check
>once carbohydrate is returned to the gut.
I'd like to see the role of complex carbohydrates, such as starch.
>If Steve and some of the other nay-sayers want to jump all over this post,
>fine. I jumped all over Steve in Sci. Med. Nutrition because he verbably
>accosted a poster who was seeking advice about her doctor's use of vitamin
>A and anti-fungals for a candida bloom in her gut. People seeking advice
>from newsnet should not be treated this way. Those of us giving of our
>time and knowledge can slug it out to our heart's content. If you saved
>your venom for me Steve and left the helpless posters who are timidly
>seeking help alone, I wouldn't have a problem with your behavior.
Brave soul you are. The venom on Usenet can be quite toxic unless one
develops an immunity to it. One year ago, my phlegmatic self would have
backed down right away from an attack of cholericitis. But my immune
system, and my computer system, have been hardened from gradual
desensitization. I now kind of like being called "anal retentive" - it has
a nice ring to it. I also was very impressed by how it just flowed into the
post - truly classic, worthy of a blue (or maybe brown) ribbon. I might
even cross-post it to alt.best.of.internet. Hmmm...
>Martin Banschbach, Ph.D.
>Professor of Biochemistry and Chairman
>Department of Biochemistry and Microbiology
>OSU College of Osteopathic Medicine
Thanks again for a great and informative post. I hope others who have
researched this area and are lurking in the background will post their
thoughts as well, no matter their views on this subject.
Jon Noring
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4989 | Subject: Re: Win31 & doublespace
From: edowdy@vax1.umkc.edu
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City
NNTP-Posting-Host: vax1.umkc.edu
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In article <4363@hpwala.wal.hp.com>, chrisa@hpwarr.hp.com ( Chris Almy) writes:
>
> Doublespace, although I do not trust it for my hard disks, sounds
> great for floppies. The thouoght of having to mount the disk
> is anoying but something I can deal with. The problem arises
> when under windows. Is there a way to mount and unmount while
> under windows or is this part of the upgrades soon to be
> available from other vendors?
>
>
.Chris
I can't see why you would not trust it because it is safer than any previous
compression programs. It integrates into the kernal and makes it nearly
impossible to delete.
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4990 | From: kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov (Scott Dorsey)
Subject: Re: Log/stereo high quality pot (hi-fi)
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center and Reptile Farm
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NNTP-Posting-Host: grissom.larc.nasa.gov
In article <1993Apr5.172839.22714@eng.cam.ac.uk> cmh@eng.cam.ac.uk (C.M. Hicks) writes:
>cobust@seagoon.ee.sun.ac.za (Cobus Theunissen) writes:
>
>>Hi there,
>
>>I am looking for a high quality log/stereo 10k pot for an audio
>>preamplifier. The design specifies Alps RKGA-2 10k AX2, but I cannot
>>find it anywhere! Any suggestions?
>
>The best pots around (IMHO) are made by Penny & Giles in the UK. Their
>basic model has a solid brass case, and conductive plastic elements
>matched to 0.5dB across the whole rotation. The downside is that they
>cost upwards of 50 quid each :-(
The P&G pots are very good. The Alps ones are usually carried by
the same folks who run the Audio Amateur magazine.
I'll also recommend the Noble potentiometers, if you don't mind weird
metric sizes on everything.
--scott
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4991 | From: ()
Subject: Re: Quicken 6 vs. Tobias' Managing Your Money
Organization: Purdue University
Lines: 27
In article <1993Apr20.040449.19649@twg.com>, q@twg.com (Michael Wiesenberg)
wrote:
>
> I just got a copy of Tobias' Managing Your Money v9.0. I have Quicken 6,
> and it's wonderful for some things, but MYM seems to have some features
> that Q6 doesn't. For example, Q6 doesn't seem to be able to handle
> monthly automatic deductions from a checking account (you know, a
> monthly payment that gets electronically deducted every month from
> my checking account). Or is there something that I'm not doing right,
> and Q6 can actually do that?
Hi
I have never used MYM so I can not help you with the comparison of the
two products. I am, however, a devoted Quicken user, and I can tell you
how to set up the weekly, monthly, quarterly, yearly transactions. First
use the Memorize feature (CTRL-M) to record the recurring transactions.
Next, define a transaction group which uses these memorized transactions
and specify the frequency that it should be used (i.e. monthly). Quicken
will/can not automatically make the transactions for you, but now all you
do is recall the group and all of the individual transactions will be
entered at once. Additionally if you are using the Bill Minder, it will
remind you when each transaction group is due. For example, you could have
three transaction groups. One for payments at the beginning of the month,
middle of the month, and one for quarterly payments. I hope this helps.
Mike
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4992 | From: tim@kimba.catt.citri.edu.au (Tim Liddelow)
Subject: Installing MIT X11R5 on Apollo
Organization: CATT Centre at CITRI, Melbourne, Australia
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Can any Apollo GURUS out there let me know of their experiences building MIT X11R5,
with or without GCC 2.3.3. In particular, is there anything I should watch out for.
Thanks in advance
--tim
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Centre of Advanced Technology in Telecommunications My brain on a bad day.
CITRI, Melbourne, Australia
internet : tim@kimba.catt.citri.edu.au
Phone : +61 3 282 2455 Fax : +61 3 282 2444
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4993 | From: ai900@yfn.ysu.edu (Joshua P. Weage)
Subject: X for PC
Organization: Youngstown State/Youngstown Free-Net
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NNTP-Posting-Host: yfn.ysu.edu
For those of you who couldn't find X-Appeal, it is availible at
the following sitex:
ascwide.ascii.co.jp in the /pub/MSDOS/xappeal dir
wuarchive.wustl.edu in the /mirrors4/garbo.uwasa.fi/demo
directory
The three files are xap13exe.aip, xap10fon.zip and
drivers.zip.
Josh
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4994 | From: pmcgilla@hp.uwsuper.edu (Mr. Patrick L. McGillan)
Subject: DXF format display
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Superior
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HI,
I am looking for an X app that will display dxf files. These are
ascii text files that are normally associated with autocad. I have
a large 9 meg. file of the state of wisconsin that i would like to
views and or cut into smaller chunks.
I also would like to find a complete file layout for dxf files.
Any information would be appreciated.
--
Patrick L. McGillan
Computer Systems Specialist
University Of Wisconsin Ph: (715) 394-8191
Superior, Wisconsin pmcgilla@uwsuper.edu
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4995 | From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)
Subject: Re: ? (was Re: "Cruel" (was Re: <Political Atheists?))
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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Distribution: world,public
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Keywords: Time for a consistency check, bub.
sdoe@nmsu.edu (Stephen Doe) writes:
>>Of course, if at some later time we think that the death penalty
>>*is* cruel or unusual, it will be outlawed. But at the present,
>>most people don't seem to think this way.
>*This* from the same fellow who speaks of an "objective" or "natural"
>morality. I suppose that if the majority decides slavery is OK, then
>it is no longer immoral?
I did not claim that our system was objective.
keith
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4996 | From: mmm@cup.portal.com (Mark Robert Thorson)
Subject: Re: What are the problems with Nutrasweet (Aspartame)?
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
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Phenylketonuria is a disease in which the body cannot process phenylalanine.
It can build up in the blood and cause seizures and neurological damage.
An odd side effect is that the urine can be deeply colored, like red wine.
People with the condition must avoid Nutrasweet, chocolate, and anything
else rich in phenylalanine.
Aspartame is accused of having caused various vague neurological symptoms.
Pat Robertson's program _The_700_Club_ was beating the drum against
aspartame rather vigorously for about a year, but that issue seems to
have been pushed to the back burner for the last year or so. Apparently,
the evidence is not very strong, or Pat would still be flailing away.
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4997 | From: nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David Nye)
Subject: Re: Radical Agnostic... NOT!
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire
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[reply to zazen@austin.ibm.com (E. H. Welbon)]
>>> There is no means that i can possibly think of to prove beyond doubt
>>>that a god does not exist (but if anyone has one, by all means, tell me
>>>what it is). Therefore, lacking this ability of absolute proof, being an
>>>atheist becomes an act of faith in and of itself, and this I cannot accept.
>>> I accept nothing on blind faith.
>>Invisible Pink Flying Unicorns! Need I say more?
>...I harbor no beliefs at all, there is no good evidence for god
>existing or not. Some folks call this agnosticism. It does not suffer
>from "blind faith" at all. I think of it as "Don't worry, be happy".
For many atheists, the lack of belief in gods is secondary to an
epistemological consideration: what do we accept as a reliable way of
knowing? There are no known valid logical arguments for the existence
of gods, nor is there any empirical evidence that they exist. Most
philosophers and theologians agree that the idea of a god is one that
must be accepted on faith. Faith is belief without a sound logical
basis or empirical evidence. It is a reliable way of knowing?
There is probably nothing else most people would accept in the absence
of any possibility of proof. Even when we agree to take someone elses
word "on faith", we just mean that having found this person to be
reliable in the past, we judge him likely to be a reliable source now.
If we find faith less reliable than logic and empirical evidence
everywhere else, why assume it will provide reliable knowledge about
gods?
The difference between the atheist and the theist is fundamentally then
one of whether or not faith is held to be a reliable way of knowing,
rather than, as some agnostic posters would have it, whether ones faith
is in gods or no gods. The theist believes that faith is an acceptable
basis for a belief in gods, even if he rejects faith as reliable at
other times, for example in his work as a scientist. The atheist
believes that only logic and empirical evidence lead to reliable
knowledge. Agnosticism seems to me a less defensible position than
theism or atheism, unless one is a sceptic in regards to all other
knowledge. Without evidence, why should we believe in gods rather than
Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny?
I would also like to point out as others have that the atheist doesn't
require absolute knowledge of the lack of gods. I don't believe that
there is any such thing as absolute knowledge. Atheism is the best and
simplest theory to fit the (lack of) facts and so should be held until
contrary evidence is found.
David Nye (nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu). Midelfort Clinic, Eau Claire WI
This is patently absurd; but whoever wishes to become a philosopher
must learn not to be frightened by absurdities. -- Bertrand Russell
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4998 | From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Subject: Re: It's a rush... (was Re: Too fast)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
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In a previous article, gwm@spl1.spl.loral.com (Gary W. Mahan) says:
>>>Dont get me wrong, I love to drive in the left lane fast but when I overtake>
>>>cars who are on the right, I slow down a tad bit. If I were to rely on the j>udgement of the other car, to recognize the speed differential, I would be the stupid one.
>
>>just to satiate my curiosity, why would this make you the stupid one? It seems
>>to me, everybody SHOULD be aware enough of what is going on. You do not need
>
>I couldnt agree more. That is how it SHOULD work. People should also ALWAYS see motorcycles too.
>
>I CONSTANTLY scan behind me (I have one of those wink mirrors) and two outside mirrors. I actually spend just as much time checking my six (cops you know).
>
>I still get caught off guard every now and then.
>
>
>Maybe I didnt word it right the first time. What I was trying to say was that if you plan to blow by somebody at a very HIGH speed differential and you assume you are safe because the guy sees you, you are stupid (of course, it depends on the circumstances). I have had some VERY scary instances when I assumed this and I dont think all of the fault was the other guy (now if he was going 25 in a 55 thats a whole different story)
ok. I can agree to this, because, as we have both proved, what is ideally
SUPPOSED to happen, isn't always. And even though i'm rearely the one doing
the passing, i don't see where it makes you stupid, but i agree, that if you
think you are SAFE, because the other guy is SUPPOSED to have been paying
attention, then yes, you are just as dumb as the other(maybe dumber?)
hasta
DREW
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4999 | From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View
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In article <1qjn7i$d0i@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
}>On a
}>waterski bike, you turn the handlebars left to lean right, just like on
}>a motorcycle, so this supports the move-the-contact-patch-from-beneath-the
}>centre-of-mass theory on how to *lean*. This contradicts the need for
}>gyroscopic precession to have a countersteering induced *lean*.
}
}...FOR A WATERSKI BIKE. It contradicts nothing for a motorcycle.
Not only that, but this morning I saw a TV ad for a waterski bike
(a Sea Doo, for those who care). I watched the lengthy ad very
carefully, and in every case and at every speed the riders turned
the handlebars left to go left, and right to go right. In other
words, they were *NOT* countersteering.
So perhaps it is only *some* waterski bikes on which one countersteers...
--
Curtis Jackson cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com '91 Hawk GT '81 Maxim 650
DoD#0721 KotB '91 Black Lab mix "Studley Doright" '92 Collie/Golden "George"
"There is no justification for taking away individuals' freedom
in the guise of public safety." -- Thomas Jefferson
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