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5000 | From: darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice)
Subject: Re: islamic genocide
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
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In <2943927496.1.p00261@psilink.com> "Robert Knowles" <p00261@psilink.com> writes:
>>DATE: 14 Apr 1993 23:52:11 GMT
>>FROM: Frank O'Dwyer <frank@D012S658.uucp>
>>
>>In article <1993Apr14.102810.6059@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) writes:
>>
>>Just borrowing your post, Mr. Rice...
>>
>>#In <2943656910.0.p00261@psilink.com> "Robert Knowles" <p00261@psilink.com> writes:
>>#>Are you sure that democracy is the driving force behind
>>#>the massacres in East Timor? It is certainly odd that so many of the worlds
>>#>massacres occur along religious lines, independently of any claims to a
>>#>democratic form of government. Are Ireland and Northern Ireland considered
>>#>democracies? Would you attribute their problems to democracy even though
>>#>they are democracies? Which motivates them more, religion or democracy?
>>
>>Mr. Rice was pointing out a fallacy in the assertion that Islam is evil
>>because some of those who claim to follow it are evil, not asserting that
>>democracy causes massacres, as I read it.
>That is right, he was. And I was pointing out that his use of Indonesians
>killing the East Timorese as a result of _democracy_ was a bit weak because
>democracy is not much of a motivation for doing much of anything in Indonesia
>from what I remember. East Timor was a former Portguese territory which was
>forcibly annexed by Indonesia. Last I heard over 10,000 Indonesians have
>died trying to keep East Timor a part of Indonesia. Being a former
>Portuguese colony, there is a strong Catholic influence in East Timor as I
>recall. So it seems a bit odd that yet again we have another war being
>fought between people who just "happen" to have different religions. Purely
>coincidental, I guess. But then the real motivation is to get the vote out
>and make democracy work in Indonesia.
I pointed out the secession movement in Aceh which has also been
brutally dealt with in the past by the Indonesian government. The
harshly with all secessionist movements.
the evidence, it appears to me that the Indonesian government has dealt
very harshly with all secession movements.
I know that the head of the Indonesian armed forces for a very long time
was Benny Murdani -- a "Christian". Indonesia has been heavy handed in
East Timor for a long time , even when Murdani was head of the armed
forces. The people who make up the
Indonesian government are in general motivated by national interests,
not religious ones.
Fred Rice
darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au
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5001 | From: HOLFELTZ@LSTC2VM.stortek.com
Subject: Re: What did Lazarus smell like?
Organization: StorageTek SW Engineering
Lines: 20
In article <Apr.10.05.31.34.1993.14365@athos.rutgers.edu>
rolfe@dsuvax.dsu.edu (Tim Rolfe) writes:
>
>My guess is that the "Lazarus, come out!" was also for the sake of the
>crowd.
I read somewhere, I think in Morton Smith's _Jesus the Magician_, that
old Lazarus wasn't dead, but going in the tomb was part of an initiation
rite for a magi-cult, of which Jesus was also a part. It appears that
a 3-day stay was normal. I wonder .... ?
[I haven't read that book, but another one by Smith in which similar
claims were made about Jesus. While I'm sure Smith knows more about
early Chrisitanity than I do, I found his arguments similar to those
of books like "Holy Blood, Holy Grail" -- building conjectures on top
of other conjectures. There was no direct evidence. If you'd like
to summarize the argument for us, I'd be happy to see it. But in
doing so, I'd like you to pay careful attention to the nature of
the evidence. --clh]
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5002 | From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Subject: Re: BATF/FBI Murders Almost Everyone in Waco Today! 4/19
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
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In <C5rynw.Iz8@news.udel.edu> roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes:
>And I suppose the FBI also prevented them from coming out with their
>hands up while national tv cameras watch.
Would *you* have come out if you knew the only national TV
cameras were well over a mile away, and yet the agents with the guns
were only a few yards away? They had contact with a lawyer, so I
am inclined to believe they had an idea of what their situation
actually was. This also leads to the conspiracy theory that the
lawyer had the BATF pinned on rights violations if the BD's
acted as witnesses, hence the arson. I doubt that one too, but
it is still quite clear that leaving a safe place to surrender is
a rather stupid thing to do until that place is no longer safe.
>Do you disbelieve everything the FBI says?
As a matter of course, given how they've allowed no other
views to be heard. I'll reserve judgement until the trial, but so
far as the FBI is concerned their statements carry the same amount
of weight as photons at rest.
>The BATF is by no means devoid of fault in the handling of this affair.
>But to suggest that they may have intentionally started the fire is
>ludicrous.
Ludicrous, yes. Possible, yes. Plausible? Get the jury.
>If the fire were set by accident or by people outside the compound, I would
>have expected far more cult members to flee the compound. Or at least come
>out shooting.
That's what gets me too. It is likely the cult members were
holed up in an enforced place inside the building. With a decent arson
attempt I suspect many of them could have been trapped. In addition,
the introduction of CS gas for several hours would have rendered many
of them immobile if not unconscious when their masks quit. All the props
are there, but proving what scene was played is difficult. The only
certainty is that the FBI and BATF have few witnesses against them.
< Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu >
< ISU only censors what I read, not what I say. Don't blame them. >
< USENET: Post to exotic, distant machines. Meet exciting, >
< unusual people. And flame them. >
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5003 | From: reimert@.etdesg.trw.com (Scott P. Reimert)
Subject: Re: Win NT - what is it???
Organization: TRW Inc., Redondo Beach, CA
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Somewhere in this thread, it has been said that Windows NT (tm) is a
multi-user OS, as well as multi-threading, etc. I certainly haven't
seen this to be the case. There are seperate accounts for each person,
and even seperate directories if that is desired. I don't see an
implentation of simultaneuos use though.
Scott
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5004 | From: caralv@caralv.auto-trol.com (Carol Alvin)
Subject: Re: The arrogance of Christians
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(Dean and I write lots and lots about absolute truth and arrogance.)
vbv@r2d2.eeap.cwru.edu (Virgilio (Dean) B. Velasco Jr.) writes:
> I strongly suspect that we are reaching an impasse here, which is why I
> deign from commenting much further.
I agree that we'll probably never agree, and I'm starting to feel
frustrated, and I'm tired of having my conversations with my husband
dominated by this topic (just kidding, :-)).
I do have to say, though, that participating in this discussion has been
a good learning experience for me. My views on this topic have evolved
and clarified through this, and I suspect that we may not disagree as
much as we think.
I admit that I'm strongly prejudiced against evangelical Christianity,
and I may not always be rational in my reactions to it. I grew up
in EC, and went to an EC college. It was definitely the wrong place
for me, and I react strongly to any implication that EC or conservative
Christianity has any sort of stronghold on true Christianity. I shudder
when I remember the condescending attitude I had about other Christians
who didn't adhere to the EC model.
I have come to see that my real objection to this whole notion of
absolute truth is the actions I have seen it lead to. I have had some
very bad experiences with evangelical Christians claiming to know the
truth, and judging me or others based on their belief that they have
the answers. Knowing the truth doesn't seem to leave a whole lot of
room for others' opinions.
I can accept your belief in absolute truth as long as you* don't try to
use that belief to try to force others to comply with it, and you are
very careful that you don't hurt others with it. Love your neighbor
seems to go totally out the window when one knows the truth and believes
that everyone should be living by that truth. Other people have
convictions about the truth every bit as strong and sincere as yours,
based on careful searching, prayer, and their relationship with God.
Don't dismiss them because God didn't lead them to the same conclusions
as yours.
*This is not directed personally at you, Dean.
Carol Alvin
caralv@auto-trol.com
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5005 | From: reb@hprnd.rose.hp.com (Ralph Bean)
Subject: Re: saturn pricing blatherings
Article-I.D.: hpchase.1pqkjv$46l
Organization: Hewlett Packard Roseville Site
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X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8.8]
Mihir Pramod Shah (mps1@cec1.wustl.edu) wrote:
: Robert J. Wade writes:
: > until...and more Saturn retailers are built(like 2 in the same city),
: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: ...most medium and large cities have...a small handful of Saturn dealers now
Sacramento has two Saturn dealerships.
: Mihir Shah
Ralph Bean
hprnd.rose.hp.com
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5006 | From: a137490@lehtori.cc.tut.fi (Aario Sami)
Subject: Re: Genocide is Caused by Atheism
Organization: Tampere University of Technology, Computing Centre
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Distribution: sfnet
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In <kmr4.1466.734160929@po.CWRU.edu> kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) writes:
> "Wait. You just said that humans are rarely reasonable. Doesn't that
> contradict atheism, where everything is explained through logic and
> reason? This is THE contradiction in atheism that proves it false."
> --- Bobby Mozumder proving the existence of Allah, #2
Does anybody have Bobby's post in which he said something like "I don't
know why there are more men than women in islamic countries. Maybe it's
atheists killing the female children"? It's my personal favorite!
--
Sami Aario | "Can you see or measure an atom? Yet you can explode
a137490@cc.tut.fi | one. Sunlight is comprised of many atoms."
-------------------' "Your stupid minds! Stupid, stupid!"
Eros in "Plan 9 From Outer Space" DISCLAIMER: I don't agree with Eros.
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5007 | From: montana@pinetree.org (David Wong)
Subject: hockey playoff pool: LAST CHANCE!
Keywords: hockey playoff pool: LAST CHANCE!
Organization: Gordon's Pinetree * Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
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This will be my last post ( promotion ) of the hockey pool.. I will
update the pool ( or try to ) every wednesday
Subject: Please join my hockey playoff pool.
Deadline for pool: Midnight Saturday
Rules: Read on
Cost: NONE
PRIZES: NONE
Send replies to : Montana@pinetree.org
Note: if your entries is send by midnight saturday it will be accepted
please include your name
Rules to the ACME hockey playoff pool
Critierias
Pick 9 forwards ( as long as they are forwards LW=RW=C is okay)
Pick 6 defensemen
( arrange them in a lines, 3 forwards and two defense = 1 line
( and arranged them in line order , which of your players would
( play in the first line and which plays in the second line
Pick 1 designated playmaker
( can be any positions...try a defensemen )
Pick 1 designated scorer ( can be any positions )
Pick 1 goal-tender
Pick a team ( the one you think may win the cup )
*note: players can only be chosen once !
ie Cannot have Sakic as forward and again as designated passer
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Calculation of points:
( except for designated scorer and playmaker)
1 assist = 1 pt IXI 1 goal = 1 pt II
( for players in line 1, their pt totals will be *2 )
line 1 = pts * 2
line 2 = pts * 1.5
line 3 = pts * 1
1 win = 2 pt ( for goalies)
The team that wins the Cup = 10 pts
For the designated playmaker Designated
Calculation will be as follows Scorer:Goal = 3 pts
Every goal scored = 0.5 points Assists = 0.5 pts
Every assists = 2 points
In the event of a tie, the tie will be broken by unmodified
Goal totals and then by game winning goals
----SAMPLE-------------------------------------
eg designated scorer = Jeremy Roenick
Actual: G=12, A=10, Pts=22 Modified G=(12*3) + A=(10*0.5) = 41
.
designated playmaker = Steve Smith
Actual: G=1, A=11, Pts=12 Modified G=(1*0.5) + A=(11*2) = 22.5
.
line 1 = J Murphy(24)- G Courtnall(14)- M Messier(14)
Dave Manson(12)- Iafrate(7)
Total points = 142 points for that line!
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UUCP: pinetree!montana
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5008 | From: paula@koufax.cv.hp.com (Paul Andresen)
Subject: Re: A true story - Way to go Omar
Keywords: Mariners, grand slam, Omar Vizquel
Nntp-Posting-Host: koufax.cv.hp.com
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
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In article <1993Apr14.173236.14321@esca.com>, vigil@esca.com (Sandra Vigil) writes:
|> Yesterday, April 14th, a friend and I were discussing the theory put
|> forth by a local sports radio station personality that the
|> Commissioner-less baseball owners had snuck a live ball into this years
|> baseball games in an effort to increase home run numbers and attract
|> fans.
It's always possible, but if this is the case, I think that there is some
blatant discrimination going on here. Clearly Selig is allowing the opposition
to use pre-1920 baseballs against the Dodgers.
|> Well, guess who stepped up to the plate for his first career grand slam
|> last night against the Jays? None other than my boy. It was truly a
|> sight to behold.
And almost more impressive was that he also got an intentional walk.
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home: 3006 NW McKinley Corvallis, OR 97330 (503)-752-8424
A SABR member since 1979
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5009 | From: Thomas Kephart <kephart@snowhite.eeap.cwru.edu>
Subject: Re: Why does Apple give us a confusing message?
Organization: Case School of Engineering
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Distribution: world
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X-XXDate: Sun, 18 Apr 93 20:09:41 GMT
In article <ferch.735165123@swiss.ucs.ubc.ca> Les Ferch, ferch@ucs.ubc.ca
writes:
> Afterall, Apple's literature is not always 100% correct. A funny one I
> noticed recently is that some of the brochures on the Macs with CD
> capability refer to the "auto inkjet" feature. This should have read
"auto
> inject" feature (as it does on some other correct brochures I've seen
from
> Apple). Since it was correct on some older brochures, I can only guess
> that someone edited the copy, saw "inject" and thought it was a typo and
> changed it to the more familiar word "inkjet".
>
> Hmmm, what would that be? A printer built into the CD player? A way of
> *writing* information to a CD? :-) :-)
How do you think they get the cool images on the top serface of CD's
anyway? They gotta have something to do the top surface artwork...
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5010 | From: prasad@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Prasad Ramakrishna)
Subject: Exploding TV!
Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA
Lines: 19
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu
I had a GE Emerson 13" color TV for about 3 years and one fine day,
while we were watching something (I doubt if the program was the cause),
we heard a mild explosion. Our screen went blank but there was sound,
so we thought, 'oh we have special effects on the program'. But soon
the sound stopped and smoke started to appear at the back of the TV.
The brilliant EEs we are, we unplugged the TV and called customer service
only to be thrown around by please hold, I will transfer u to blah blah..
Finally we abandoned the idea of trying to fix the TV and got a new one
(we wanted a bigger one too!).
After all the story, what I wanted to know is: Is my problem an isolated
incident or a common one? (I recall reading about Russian TVs exploding, but
not here, in the US). Why would the picture tube explode or even smoke?
I still have the left over TV set, I might dig into it this summer. Any
idea where I can get parts for these things? (probably will cost more than TV).
W/my 0.02
Prasad
prasadr@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu
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5011 | From: jdnicoll@prism.ccs.uwo.ca (James Davis Nicoll)
Subject: Re: Why DC-1 will be the way of the future.
Organization: University of Western Ontario, London
Nntp-Posting-Host: prism.engrg.uwo.ca
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Hmmm. I seem to recall that the attraction of solid state record-
players and radios in the 1960s wasn't better performance but lower
per-unit cost than vacuum-tube systems.
Mind you, my father was a vacuum-tube fan in the 60s (Switched
to solid-state in the mid-seventies and then abruptly died; no doubt
there's a lesson in that) and his account could have been biased.
James Nicoll
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5012 | From: healta@saturn.wwc.edu (Tammy R Healy)
Subject: Re: some thoughts.
Keywords: Dan Bissell
Lines: 31
Organization: Walla Walla College
Lines: 31
In article <11820@vice.ICO.TEK.COM> bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) writes:
>From: bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine)
>Subject: Re: some thoughts.
>Keywords: Dan Bissell
>Date: 15 Apr 93 18:21:21 GMT
>In article <bissda.4.734849678@saturn.wwc.edu> bissda@saturn.wwc.edu (DAN LAWRENCE BISSELL) writes:
>>
>> First I want to start right out and say that I'm a Christian. It
>>makes sense to be one. Have any of you read Tony Campollo's book- liar,
>>lunatic, or the real thing? (I might be a little off on the title, but he
>>writes the book. Anyway he was part of an effort to destroy Christianity,
>>in the process he became a Christian himself.
>
> This should be good fun. It's been a while since the group has
> had such a ripe opportunity to gut, gill, and fillet some poor
> bastard.
>
> Ah well. Off to get the popcorn...
>
>/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
>
>Bob Beauchaine bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM
>
>They said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away,
>and sank Manhattan out at sea.
>
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I hope you're not going to flame him. Please give him the same coutesy you'
ve given me.
Tammy
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5013 | From: brucet@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Bruce Tulloch)
Subject: Re: Duo 230 crashes aftersleep (looks like Apple bug!)
Nntp-Posting-Host: extro.ucc.su.oz.au
Organization: Sydney University Computing Service, Sydney, NSW, Australia
Lines: 47
lreiter@jade.tufts.edu (Lowell B. Reiter) writes:
>My Duo 230 crashe.
>I close the lid. It goesto sleeplikenormal. Then I open it press a key.
>The screen showsthis wied pattern. You can berely make outthe menubar on top., although there are no words on the bar. Anditfrezzes. Why?
>---Lowell
>--
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I have the same problem and was about to post this....
Hello duo owners (and Apple technical people :-)
I have a new duo 230 which appears to have a problem waking up from
sleep when running on battery power. When woken (usually for the second
time) after sleeping, the wake fails and the screen appears with a
corrupted image of broken horizontal lines and control can only be
recovered with control-command-poweron or the reset key at the back of
the machine. The problem occurs even when the system is stock standard
(no extensions, no virtual memory, a fully charged new battery, system 7.1
etc). I have not had the problem when the machine is plugged in to AC.
I've checked that the battery is properly seated (it appears to be fine).
What's going on here ? Anyone else had this problem ? Is it software or
hardware ?
If you have a duo 230 and a bit of time, try repeatedly sleeping and
waking the machine on battery power and let me know if you see the same
behaviour (and let Apple know too !).
Many thanks to anyone who can clear this one up for me.
Bruce
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***complex problems have straight forward, easy to understand wrong answers***
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5014 | From: pm860605@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Peter J. McKinney)
Subject: Re: PC keyboard
Summary: location of cap lock and ctrl keys on PC keyboard
Keywords: cap lock and ctrl key
Article-I.D.: longs.pm860605.143.734052152
Organization: Colorado State University
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Nntp-Posting-Host: hercules.lance.colostate.edu
In article <hxg5nxl@rpi.edu> wen@yingyang.ral.rpi.edu (John Wen) writes:
>From: wen@yingyang.ral.rpi.edu (John Wen)
>Subject: PC keyboard
>Summary: location of cap lock and ctrl keys on PC keyboard
>Keywords: cap lock and ctrl key
>Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1993 19:23:35 GMT
>Does anyone know of a software that can exchange caps lock and ctrl
>keys on the AT-style keyboard? I'm looking for a memory resident
>program that can work with other programs, rather than a feature in a
>specific program (I am aware of a shareware program "back and forth"
>that provides this feature within that program). Thanks.
A program in the archive keymap00.zip on simtel and mirror sites in the
msdos/keyboard directory will do this. It is written in assembler and it
best if you have a compiler to create a new keyboard map. It is possible,
however, to use a binary editor to edit the provided compiled keyboard
driver if you do not have a compiler. I used hexed100.zip, also available
on simtel. Simply serach for the codes 00 01 02 03 to locate the biginning
of the "normal" keyboard map. Then swap the codes for the keys that you
wish to swap. See the keyboard directory of simtel for programs that report
the scancode for each key to you (some bios programs also have this info).
Good luck,
- Pete
____________________________________________________________________________
| Peter J. McKinney pm860605@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu |
| Electrohydrodynamic Laboratory |
| Fluid Mechanics and Wind Engineering Program |
| Civil Engineering Department |
| Colorado State University |
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5015 | From: pchang@ic.sunysb.edu (Pong Chang)
Subject: Re: Microsoft DOS 6.0 Upgrade for sale
Nntp-Posting-Host: libws4.ic.sunysb.edu
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Lines: 36
In article <hatton.733706165@cgl.ucsf.edu> hatton@socrates.ucsf.edu (Tom Hatton) writes:
>adn6285@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>>In article <1pctnfINN6dp@eve.usc.edu>, yuanchie@eve.usc.edu (Yuan-Chieh Hsu) writes:
>>> MS DOS 6.0 Upgrade for sale best offer over $45
>>> (opened, unregistered)
>
>>So, does anyone care to enlighten us whether DOS6.0 is worth upgrading to?
>>How good is it's compression, and can it be turned on/off at will?
>>Any other nice/nasty features?
>
>According to reports, if you don't have DOS yet, and don't have any
>utilities (QEMM, Stacker, PCTools, Norton, ...) then DOS6 may be worth it.
>
>For people who have DOS5, and some sort of utility, DOS6 doesn't offer
>much. You'd never know it from the usual hype that marketing is able
>to create, however. :-)
i installed dos 6 last week, and had nothing but trouble afterwards.
windows apps are hitting protection faults more than a kid can do
to a pinata, and it does not seem to like to work with NDOS (norton
dos 7.0). other probs include:
set pcplus=d:\pcplus for procomm plus no longer works.
many of the little utilities to written for dos no longer works
either. (mostly shareware)
i now have uninstalled dos 6 , and dos 5 works just fine.
are there any apps that dos 6 will be able to run that dos 5 wont?
--
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C_ommon pchang@ic.sunysb.edu
S_ense State University of New York @ Stony Brook
E_ngineer
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5016 | From: joslin@pogo.isp.pitt.edu (David Joslin)
Subject: Re: Kind, loving, merciful and forgiving GOD!
Organization: Intelligent Systems Program
Lines: 46
m23364@mwunix.mitre.org (James Meritt) writes:
>}(4) So the fact that Stephen did not reply to A does not justify the
>} conclusion that Stephen condoned taking quotes out of context in A
>Excellent. Now under what conditions could such a conclusion be made, other
>than a direct assertion by his part.
Replace "Stephen" with "David Joslin," since you directed the same
accusation of hypocrisy at me. In e-mail to me you wrote:
In t.r.m. Robert Weiss writes [a promise from Psalm 9:10]
Gee, since you wouldn't be at all hypocritical, you must be really
busy arguing against these out-of-context extracted translations!
As you may recall, you mailed me six mail messages quoting articles by
Robert Weiss, all sent within a few minutes of each other. You added:
Naturally, I await your arguments against this out-of-context
translation. But I shall not await holding my breath...
and
Wonder when you get to sleep, disputing all these out-of-context
extracted translations!
and other similar comments.
Perhaps you could explain why you ever thought that I might have a
reason to read all of these articles you pulled off of t.r.m, much
less write responses to them?
>Have you, by chance, ever even heard of inductive logic? You are not
>demonstrating any familiarly with it (i.e. you are being insufficiently
>logical).
I am familiar with inductive logic. Go ahead and give me the details
of the "logic" that led you to conclude, incorrectly, that I would
condone Robert Weiss taking verses out of context. Your conclusion was
wrong, of course, since I agree that both you and Robert Weiss were
guity of taking verses out of context. Nothing hypocritical about
that, is there?
Since you reached a false conclusion, you made some mistake in your
"logic." The only question is where. Did you think that it would
be hypocritical for me not to post a reply to Robert Weiss' articles?
Did you make the common creationist error of confusing a lack of
evidence for X with evidence for the lack of X? Is your grasp of
inductive logic not quite as firm as you think? See if you can figure
out what your mistake was, and learn from it.
dj
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5017 | From: luttik@fwi.uva.nl (Bas Luttik (I91))
Subject: Question: Can I connect two harddisk to one controller?
Summary: I want to connect a second harddisk to my controller
Keywords: Harddisk, Controller, MFM
Nntp-Posting-Host: gene.fwi.uva.nl
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
Lines: 21
Hi,
I've got a Victor PC/XT with a 20 MB harddisk in it. The controller is
a Toshiba MFM controller, with an additional 9 pins connector.
There are 2 busses from my harddisk to this controller. One with 9 wires
and another with 34 wires.
The controller has two connectors for a 9 wire-bus and one for a 34 wire
bus.
Now I got a 20 MB harddisk from a friend of mine, and I wondered whether
I can connect this second harddisk to the same controller (there is room
for a 9 wire-bus, but not for the 34 wire bus)
How can I solve my problem, any suggestions?
If you need more info, mail me, please (luttik@fwi.uva.nl).
--Bas.
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5018 | From: ewl@world.std.com (Erich W Lantz)
Subject: >80 col. mail messages in MS Windows editors
Keywords: windows editor norton desktop mail
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Lines: 31
I have a modest system of aliases/macros that enables me to download
mail from a public access UNIX system to my MS-DOS box. I read and reply
to the mail with a MS Windows 3.1 based editor.
Everything works peachey keen as long as the author of the message has
maintained his text at 80 col. max. width. Sometimes I get slightly wider
messages that run off-screen, so I have to use the cursor/slider to read
the whole thing.
I'm using NDW Deskedit mainly, but I've experienced the same prob with
all other MS WIndows editors. I've fiddled with word wrap settings in
the various editors, but to no avail. I know I'm missing something very
basic in editor setup, but what is it?
Oh yeah, MS Word for Windows converts everything flawlessly but for what
I'm looking for that's like using a tank to crack walnuts.
I'd really like to have an editor setup that would display all incoming
ASCII files in a readable format to my screen.
Thanks in advance,
============================================================
Erich W. Lantz AMA #601821
ewl@world.std.com Distributor of Deflagration #0815
'85 Virago
" Well yer dead now, so shut up! " - M.P.
============================================================
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5019 | From: brzyckmj@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu (Mike)
Subject: Panasonic KX-P1091i Driver?
Organization: Drexel University, Phila. Pa.
Lines: 2
Does anyone out there know if there are print drivers for Windows for the
Panasonic KX-P1091i 9-pin dot matrix printer?
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5020 | From: PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal)
Subject: Re: Ban All Firearms !
Lines: 89
Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education
In article <1993Apr14.184448.2331@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes:
>In article <1993Apr14.183025.29688@sco.com>, allanh@sco.COM (Allan J. Heim) writes:
>>
>> papresco@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod):
>>
>> >Drugs are banned, please tell me when this supply will dry up?
>>
>> Drugs are easier to manufacture, easier to smuggle, easier to hide.
>> No comparison.
>>
>> Then let's use another example--alcoholic beverages. Bottles of whiskey
>> are larger, heavier, and more fragile than bags of drugs. Barrels and
>> kegs are larger and heavier still, and are difficult to manipulate.
>> Yet, a lot of people managed to get very rich off of the smuggling of
>> booze into this country during the years of Prohibition. There was a
>> demand, so an entire industry formed to supply it.
>
> If alcohol were again banned today, it would be MUCH more
> difficult to manage a large-scale smuggling operation.
> The cops now rank just a narrow notch below the military
> in communications, intelligence gathering and firepower.
>
> In a similar vein, the amount of marijuana smuggled into
> this country has greatly decreased. This is because its
> value-per-pound is very low when compared to cocaine or
> heroin. It's simply not worth the risk, it's uneconomical.
> Now, most reefer is domestic. There is less pressure on
> the domestic producer (showy raids notwithstanding) and
> thus it is economical.
Here's a question: If most marijuana is domestic and
producing it here is economical, why would we expect it to be
imported?
> Of note though ... domestic reefer
> is now very strong, so a small volume goes a long way.
> You cannot make alcohol stronger than 200 proof - not a
> good dollar/pound deal.
Yet it was done. Done quite successfully for a number of years.
*Somebody* thought it was worth the risk.
> Firearms tend to fall into this low dollar/pound area.
> It would not be economic to smuggle them in.
Your assumption is that this "low" dollar/pound area is
sufficiently low as to make gun-running unprofitable. On what
do you base this?
And given that smuggling channels are already established,
and given the economies of scale, would it really add significantly
more expense to start smuggling firearms, especially considering
doing so would be less hazardous (in terms of getting caught) than
drugs?
> All production
> would have to be local.
Now *that* was a jump. In any case, define "local." It's
a big country.
> There are not all that many people
> who have both the skill AND motivation to assemble worthwhile
> firearms from scratch. High-ranking crime figures could
> obtain imported Uzis and such, but the average person, and
> average thug, would be lucky to get a zip-gun - and would
> pay through the nose for it.
Wow, you gotta love the speculation.
As I posted before, we import billions upon billions of raw
ores across the Mexican border. Not only that but ships come in and
out of U.S. harbors every day full stuff. And customs doesn't even
have the extra advantage of being able to sniff them out.
I'd be willing to wager that a shipload of handguns would be
worth more than a shipload of raw ore, *and* you're virtually guaranteed
to get it past customs, because they'd have to hand search every hold of
every ship which came through.
It's not simply a matter of how much money are they worth, but how
much *more* money are they worth than other goods, based on the likelihood
of being caught. Less money than drugs, but also a safer thing to smuggle.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
David Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group
PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu - "I still remember the way you laughed, the day
your pushed me down the elevator shaft; I'm beginning to think you don't
love me anymore." - "Weird Al"
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5021 | From: betz@gozer.idbsu.edu (Andrew Betz)
Subject: Re: "High Power" Assault guns
Nntp-Posting-Host: gozer
Organization: SigSauer Fan Club
Lines: 12
In article <1993Apr14.143825.13476@stortek.com> vojak@icebucket.stortek.com (Bill Vojak) writes:
> Alaska with 1 UZI, 1 20 rnd Magazine, and 1 BIG Polar bear @
^
I'd make that, "1 BIG, MAD, and HUNGRY with CUBS NEARBY Polar bear @..."
Drew
--
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*** spook fodder: fema, nsa, clinton, gore, insurrection, nsc,
semtex, neptunium, terrorist, cia, mi5, mi6, kgb, deuterium
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5022 | From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian)
Subject: FORGED POSTING -- FORGED POSTING -- FORGED POSTING
Summary: usually generated by those who can't live with themselves!
Organization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies
Lines: 37
THE FOLLOWING POSTING WAS FORGED IN MY NAME! PLEASE IGNORE SUCH POSTINGS!
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THE ABOVE POSTING WAS FORGED IN MY NAME! PLEASE IGNORE SUCH POSTINGS!
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S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | the Armenian border, when we can't
P.O. Box 382761 | even explain 1915?"
Cambridge, MA 02238 | Turkish MP, March 1992
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5023 | From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Subject: Now, the Genocide of the Azeri Turks of x-Soviet Armenia and Karabag.
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world
Lines: 69
In article <1993Apr20.164517.20876@kpc.com> henrik@quayle.kpc.com writes:
>At last, I hope that the U.S. insists that Turkey stay out of the KARABAKH
>crisis so that the repeat of the CYPRUS invasion WILL NEVER OCCUR again.
Do you have a terminal cold? Karabag is 'Turkish' and will remain
'Turkish'. Here we are, almost at the end of the 20th century, and
a whole community, the Azeri Turks of x-Soviet Armenia and Karabag,
is facing forced assimilation, torture and murder on one hand and
forced exodus, expulsion and genocide on the other, all because
of their ethnic and religious background. And one should ask herself:
is the world community really so powerless? Where are all those human
rights advocates? Where are all the decent people? Are we going to
let this human tragedy go on and do nothing about it? The number
of Azeris murdered by the terrorist Armenian army and its savage
gangs is increasing. On the one hand they wish to distort the truth
and on the other, they beg mercy from Turkiye.
The Age...Melbourne...6/3/92
By Helen WOMACK .... Agdam, Azerbaijan, Thursday
The exact number of victims is still unclear, but there can be
little doubt that Azeri civilians were massacred by Armenian
fighters in the snowy mountains of Nagorno-Karabakh last week.
Refugees from the enclave town of Khojaly, sheltering in the
Azeri border town of Agdam, give largely consistent accounts of
how their enemies attacked their homes on the night of 25
February, chased those who fled and shot them in the
surrounding forests. Yesterday, I saw 75 freshly dug graves in
one cemetery in addition to four mutilated corpses we were
shown in the mosque when we arrived in Agdam late on Tuesday. I
also saw women and children with bullet wounds in a makeshift
hospital in a string of railway carriages.
Khojaly, an Azeri settlement in the enclave mostly populated by
Armenians, had a population of about 6000. Mr. Rashid Mamedov
Commander of Police in Agdam, said only about 500 escaped to
his town. " So where are the rest?". Some might have taken
prisoner, he said, or fled. Many bodies were still lying in the
mountains because the Azeris were short of helicopters to
retrieve them. He believed more than 1000 had perished, some of
cold in temperatures as low as minus 10 degrees.
One refugee, Rami Nasiru, described how Khojaly residents at
first thought the attack was no more than the routine shooting
to which they had become accustomed in four years of conflict.
But when they saw the Armenians with a convoy of armored
personnel carriers, they realised they could not hope to defend
themselves with machineguns and grenades, and fled into the
forests. In the small hours, the massacre started.
Mr. Nasiru, who believes his wife and two children were taken
prisoner, repeated what many other refugees have said - that
troops of the former Soviet army helped the Armenians to attack
Khojaly. "It is not my opinion, I saw it with my own eyes."
Serdar Argic
'We closed the roads and mountain passes that
might serve as ways of escape for the Turks
and then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
(Ohanus Appressian - 1919)
'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists
a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)
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5024 | From: ghilardi@urz.unibas.ch
Subject: left side pains
Organization: University of Basel, Switzerland
Lines: 21
Hello to everybody,
I write here because I am kind of desperate. For about six weeks, I've been
suffering on pains in my left head side, the left leg and sometimes the left
arm. I made many tests (e.g. computer tomography, negative, lyme borreliosis,
negative, all electrolytes in the blood in their correct range), they're
all o.K., so I should be healthy. As a matter of fact, I am not feeling so.
I was also at a Neurologist's too, he considered me healthy too.
The blood tests have shown that I have little too much of Hemoglobin (17.5,
common range is 14 to 17, I unfortunately do not know about the units).
Could these hemi-sided pains be the result of this or of a also possible
block of the neck muscles ?
I have no fever, and I am not feeling entirely sick, but neither entirely
healthy.
Please answer by direct email on <ghilardi@urz.unibas.ch>
Thanks for every hint
Nico
|
5025 | From: JEK@cu.nih.gov
Subject: When are two people married
Lines: 128
LISTOWNER: I have sent this to Mr Anderson privately. Post it only
if you think it of general interest.
Here is a copy of something I wrote for another list. You may
find it relevant.
A listmember asks:
> What makes common-law marriages wrong?
A common-law marriage is not necessarily wrong in itself. There is
nothing in the Bible (Old or New Testament) about getting married by
a preacher, or by a priest (Jewish or Christian). And in fact Jewish
priests have never had any connection with weddings.
There is a common notion that the marriage is performed by the
clergyman. In fact, the traditional Christian view (at least in the
West) is that the bride and groom are the ministers of the marriage,
and that the clergyman is there only as a witness.
HOWEVER!
The essential ingredient of a marriage is mutual commitment. Two
persons are considered to be married if and only if they have bound
themselves by mutual promises to live together as husband and wife,
forsaking all others, till death do them part.
The reason why those who have reason to be concerned about who
is married to whom have always insisted on some kind of public
ceremony is in order that society, and the couple themselves, may be
clear about whether a commitment has been made.
Suppose that we do away with the public ceremony, the standard vows,
etc. Instead, we have a man and a woman settling down to live
together.
After a year or so, the man says to the woman: Hey, honey, it
was great while it lasted, but I think it's time to move on.
She says: What are you talking about?
He says: I am leaving you and looking for someone prettier and
younger.
She says: But you can't. We are married!
He says: What are you talking about? We never got married.
She says: I remember distinctly what you said to me the night
we first made love. You said: "My love for you is as deep as the
ocean, as eternal as the stars. As long as I live, I am yours,
utterly and completely. When I lie on my deathbed, my last feeble
breath will utter your name. My..."
He says: Oh that! That was just rhetoric. Just poetry. When a
man is in a romantic mood, he is bound to say all kinds of silly
things like that. You mustn't take them literally.
And that is why you have an insistence on a formal ceremony that is
a matter of public record.
The Church insists on it, because it is her duty (among other
things) to give moral advice, and you cannot give a man moral advice
about his relations with a woman if you have no idea who is married
to whom, if anybody, and vice versa.
The State insists on it, since the state has a concern with
property rights, with child care and support, and therefore needs to
know who has made what commitments to whom.
Prospective fathers-in-law insist on it, because they don't
want their daughters seduced and abandoned.
Prospective spouses insist on it, because they want to make
sure they know whether what they are hearing is a real commitment,
or just "poetry."
And persons making vows themselves insist on making them
formally and publicly, in order that they may be clear in their own
minds about what it is that they are doing, and may know themselves
that this is not just rhetoric. This is the real thing.
Hence the insistence on a formal public explicit avowal of the
marriage commitment. The Church goes further and insists that, when
Christians marry, a clergyman shall be present at the wedding and
record the vows on behalf of the Church, not because it is
impossible to have a valid wedding without a clergyman, but in order
to make sure that the couple understand what the Christian teaching
about marriage is, and that they are in fact promising to be married
in a Christian sense. The Church also prefers a standard marriage
vow, and is wary of letting couples Write their own vows, for much
the same reason that lawyers prefer standard terminology when they
draw up a will or a contract. Certain language has been repeatedly
used in wills, and one can be sure how the courts will interpret it.
Try to say the same thing in your own words, and you may find that
the probate judge's interpretation of them is not at all what you
intended. Similarly, the Church prefers to avoid endless debates
about whether "You are my main squeeze" and "I am here for the long
haul" do in fact cover the same territory as "forsaking all others"
and "till death do us part."
This topic has come up on the list before. (Is there any topic
that hasn't?) One listmember was asking, "If a couple love each
other and are living together, isn't that marriage in the eyes of
God?" Eventually someone asked, "In that case, what is their status
if they break up? Is that the moral equivalent of getting a divorce?
Are they in a relationship that God forbids either of them to walk
out on? " The original questioner said: "Good grief, I never thought
of that!" In fact, there are reasonable grounds for suspecting that
someone who says, "We don't need a piece of paper or a ceremony in
front of a judge or a preacher in order to show that we love each
other," is trying to have it both ways -- to have the advantages of
marriage plus the option of changing his mind with a minimum of
bother.
At this point someone may say, "None of this applies to me and my
mate. We are quite clear on the fact that we have assumed a lifelong
commitment, 'for better or worse, forsaking all others, till death
us do part.' So in our case, no ceremony is needed."
To this my reply would be: The reason for requiring a driver's
license is to keep dangerous drivers off the road. What is wrong in
itself is not the existence of unlicensed drivers, but the existence
of dangerous drivers. However, testing and licensing drivers is an
obvious and reasonable means of pursuing the goal of reducing the
number of dangerous drivers on the road. Therefore the State rightly
makes and enforces such laws, and you the citizen have a positive
moral obligation to refrain from driving without a license no matter
how much of a hotshot behind the wheel you think you are.
Back to the original question. We have a listmember who knows a
couple who have been living together for around 20 years. He asks:
At what point did they stop fornicating and start being married? I
answer: at the point, if any, where they both definitely and
explicitly accepted an obligation to be faithful to each other, for
better or worse, as long as they both lived. If they have accepted
such an obligation, what are their reasons for not being willing to
declare it in front of, say, a justice of the peace?
Yours,
James Kiefer
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5026 | From: blast@nntp.crl.com (Tim Keanini)
Subject: ATTN: 160,165c,180 and DUO owners!!!
Lines: 11
NNTP-Posting-Host: crl.com
Summary: buzzing
Keywords: buzz
Be very careful when you plug in a external monitor and a external speaker.
Make sure that all the power cords are in the same strip. If you don't you
take a chance of having a very bad audio buzz. This is caused be a "ground loop" and the only way of getting rid of this loud buzz is to make sure that you
have a common ground.
Make sure that all the power cords are going in to the same strip or off the
same outlet. This will assure you of a common ground.
Tim Keanini Sound Designer
<timk@broder.com> Broderbund Software
<blast@crl.com>
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5027 | From: ab4z@Virginia.EDU ("Andi Beyer")
Subject: Re: Israeli Terrorism
Organization: University of Virginia
Lines: 15
Well i'm not sure about the story nad it did seem biased. What
I disagree with is your statement that the U.S. Media is out to
ruin Israels reputation. That is rediculous. The U.S. media is
the most pro-israeli media in the world. Having lived in Europe
I realize that incidences such as the one described in the
letter have occured. The U.S. media as a whole seem to try to
ignore them. The U.S. is subsidizing Israels existance and the
Europeans are not (at least not to the same degree). So I think
that might be a reason they report more clearly on the
atrocities.
What is a shame is that in Austria, daily reports of
the inhuman acts commited by Israeli soldiers and the blessing
received from the Government makes some of the Holocaust guilt
go away. After all, look how the Jews are treating other races
when they got power. It is unfortunate.
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5028 | From: jp@vllyoak.resun.com (Jeff Perry)
Subject: Re: wife wants convertible
Organization: Private site in San Marcos, California
Lines: 35
aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) writes:
>
> In a previous article, dspalme@mke.ab.com (Diane Palme x2617) says:
>
> >: nuet_ke@pts.mot.com (KEITH NUETZMAN X3153 P7625) writes:
> >: > HELP!!!
> >: > my wife has informed me that she wants a convertible for her next car.
> >jp@vllyoak.resun.com (Jeff Perry) writes:
> >: FYI, just last week the PBS show Motor Week gave the results of what they
> >: thought were the best cars for '93. In the convertible category, the
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >: Honda Civic del Sol achieved this honor.
> >I own a del Sol and I must vouch for the interior. I really looks snazzy wh
> >the top is off. I looks a lot better in person than on the television. (I
> >that Motorweek as well. Needless to say I was smiling a bit by the time it
> >was over ...) :*)
> >
> >Watch out for that darned "convertible tan" tho...
>
>
> i simply must inquire, how can people honestly consider this car
> a "convertible"? Does Porsche have a patent on the "targa" name?
> I mean, convertible to me means "top down", which the del Sol certainly
> does NOT do. It has the center that lifts out. This is what i would
> term a targa(unless Porsches was gonna sue me for doing that). I know
> the rear window rolls down, but i still can hardly consider this car
> to be a convertible.
>
Yes, however, with the top off and the rear window down this car is more
like a convertible than a coupe. Think of it as a convertible with an
integrated roll-bar like addition.
jp
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5029 | From: ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib)
Subject: Re: Is ms-windows a "mature" OS?
Keywords: ms-windows
Nntp-Posting-Host: silver.ucs.indiana.edu
Reply-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: usa
Lines: 66
In article <cyen.735139934@ponder> Jesse writes:
>hi,
> Have you used Mac system 6.x or 7.x? If the answer is positive, you would
>know if ms-windows is a "mature" OS.
This is silly. Is Unix a mature OS? Depends on who you ask, and how
you define mature. System 7 is, if anything, less mature than Windows 3.1.
> Days ago people doubted that ms-windows is not a real OS. I can see why
>they have such question. Ms-windows confuses many people. Microsoft
>simulated Mac, but it did a lousy job. For example:
>(1) You can not create hierarchy groups. There is no way to create a group
> in a group. (If you know how, please tell me.)
So why do you need something like BeHierarchic to create groups under
the Apple Menu? Everyone knows that Apple Menu Items are a ripoff of
the Program Manager. If you want a hierarchic program launcher there
are lots available.
>(3) uncomplete documentation. It's not easy to find the reason why causes
> an unpredictable error.
And this is easy on a Mac? Give me a break. Having spent hours moving
System Extensions around and restarting the Mac to see why a certain
app crashes all the time, I find this laughable.
>(4) Group deleting/file deleting
> After deleting a group, users have to use file manager to delete files.
> But if users forget to delete some related files, the disk will be full
> of nonsense files.
Oh great. Ever hear of aliases? Wonder why Apple implemented them.
>(5) share problem
> Once you create two windows doing compilation and editing in some
> language (w/o good editor), there will be a sharing problem. You just
> can not open or save the program if it is loaded. It makes sense to
> prevent from saving, but not opening.
Eh?? I don't follow.
> It's by no means easy to satisfy everybody, but if Microsoft want to
>keep their reputations, they should evaluate the user interface more
>carefully before products distribute.
Why is it that I find the Mac desktop incredibly annoying whenever I
use it?
> No flame, please.
Yeah right. You post flame bait, yet ask for no flames.
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Internet: NTAIB@SILVER.UCS.INDIANA.EDU | Frog is Frog ala Peach
Bitnet: NTAIB@IUBACS !
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5030 | From: nickh@CS.CMU.EDU (Nick Haines)
Subject: Vast Bandwidth Over-runs on NASA thread (was Re: NASA "Wraps")
In-Reply-To: wingo%cspara.decnet@Fedex.Msfc.Nasa.Gov's message of 18 Apr 1993 13:56 CDT
Originator: nickh@SNOW.FOX.CS.CMU.EDU
Nntp-Posting-Host: snow.fox.cs.cmu.edu
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
<17APR199316423628@judy.uh.edu> <1993Apr18.034101.21934@iti.org>
<18APR199313560620@judy.uh.edu>
Lines: 12
In article <18APR199313560620@judy.uh.edu>, Dennis writes about a
zillion lines in response to article <1993Apr18.034101.21934@iti.org>,
in which Allen wrote a zillion lines in response to article
<17APR199316423628@judy.uh.edu>, in which Dennis wrote another zillion
lines in response to Allen.
Hey, can it you guys. Take it to email, or talk.politics.space, or
alt.flame, or alt.music.pop.will.eat.itself.the.poppies.are.on.patrol,
or anywhere, but this is sci.space. This thread lost all scientific
content many moons ago.
Nick Haines nickh@cmu.edu
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5031 | From: galvint@cs.nps.navy.mil (thomas galvin)
Subject: Re: Bay area media (Wings-Leafs coverage)
Organization: Naval Postgraduate School, Monterey CA
Lines: 30
In article <DREIER.93Apr19195132@durban.berkeley.edu> dreier@durban.berkeley.edu (Roland Dreier) writes:
>The San Francisco Bay area media is reporting tonight that the Detroit
>Red Wings beat the Toronto Maple Leafs 6-3. Can someone who is not
>part of the media conspiracy against the Leafs tell me how the game
>really went (I am expecting a 4-0 win for the Leafs, shutout for
>Potvin, hat trick for Andreychuk and a goal and 3 assists for
>Gilmour). If the Leafs really lost, how many penalties did whichever
>biased ref was at the game have to call against the Leafs to let the
>Red Wings win?
>
>Thank you very much.
>--
>Roland Dreier dreier@math.berkeley.edu
Sorry to disappoint you but the Red Wings earned the victory...easily.
I watched most of the game on ESPN (as soon as I realized that they
were televising the game which was at the beginning of the second).
The Maple Leafs were flat. Very flat. Meanwhile, the Red Wings were
skating very freely and dictating the pace of the game. I didn't
detect any bad penalty calls (Van Hellemond did his usual good job).
Toronto looked like how I expected them to for their first playoff
game in a few years -- nervous.
For the Leafs sake, I hope they can rid themselves of the butterflies
for game 2. If game 1 is indicative of the series, it's gonna go
quick.
-Tom Galvin galvint@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil
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5032 | From: jeh@cmkrnl.com
Subject: Re: A question about 120VAC outlet wiring.
Distribution: world
Organization: Kernel Mode Systems, San Diego, CA
Lines: 35
In article <1qmisf$odp@sdl.Warren.MENTORG.COM>, garyg@warren.mentorg.com (Gary Gendel) writes:
> In article 1834@cmkrnl.com, jeh@cmkrnl.com writes:
>>What you CAN do if you want three-prong outlets without additional wiring is
>>to use a GFCI outlet (or breaker, but the outlet will be cheaper). In fact,
>>depending on where you are putting your new outlet(s), a GFCI may be *required*.
>
> You still need to supply a proper ground for a Ground Fault Circuit Interrupter!
Not according to the NEC nor the CEC, as explained in the electrical wiring
FAQ, which I posted here separately. Note the material under the headings
> Subject: How do I convert two prong receptacles to three prong?
and
> Subject: Are you sure about GFCIs and ungrounded outlets?
> Should the test button work?
Of course, as they said -- "Local codes may vary".
> So rewiring is still a part of this job, however, the ground may be connected to
> a local earth ground, rather than back at the breaker box.
I'm not sure about this. If the ground connections on the outlets are
connected to anything, they should be connected to a wire that runs back to the
main panel, where it is bonded to the neutral connector and to the house ground
rod. A connection to a local earth ground would not necessarily meet one of
the goals of the ground wire, which is that if a short develops from hot
to the ground wire, enough current would flow to trip the breaker.
Hmmm. How are those orange "isolated ground" outlets (often used in
computer rooms) wired?
--- Jamie Hanrahan, Kernel Mode Systems, San Diego CA
Internet: jeh@cmkrnl.com Uucp: uunet!cmkrnl!jeh CIS: 74140,2055
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5033 | From: especkma@reed.edu (Erik. A Speckman)
Subject: Re: Educational Pricing
Article-I.D.: reed.1993Apr15.234121.6655
Organization: Reed College, Portland, Oregon
Lines: 36
In article <1993Apr15.134938.1@jaguar.csc.wsu.edu> f0975893@jaguar.csc.wsu.edu writes:
>In article <C5Iz7n.Kyv@cs.dal.ca>, hayes@ug.cs.dal.ca (Kevin B. Hayes) writes:
>>>you can find retail that is within the price of a keyboard of educational
>>>prices.
>
>I would be very wary of retail outlets selling as cheap as educational prices!
>I went for a retailer, actually mail order (CDA computers), because its price
>was better thant the campus computer store. I found out why later on when I
>tried to get a repair done at an Apple registered repair center - the CPU was a
>resale. The serial number had been removed and replaced with a non-standard
>number (probably from CDA computers). Consequently, the Apple repair man could
>not do ANY warrenty repairs. So I ended up with just a 90day warrenty from CDA
>over the Apple 12month warrenty. Boy, was I pi**ed! Moral of the story, CAVEAT
>EMPTOR.
Apple does not authorise sales through Mail Order. As a result mail order
companies have to obtain their machines by the grey market.
This market is supplied with machines from authorised resellers who have
more machines than they can sell. They come into this state of affairs
by overordering either accidentally or deliberatly to get a better
wholsale price from Apple. In either case they often obscure the serial
nunber to protect their identity. As a result the warranty is void.
You may save on sales tax but you have to pay for shipping.
I should also point out that mail order companies cannot get lower prices
thatn the high volume authorised dealers unless they buy below dealer
cost. As a result the only way they can sell cheaper is by cutting costs
and trimming margins. Unfortunatly they dont seem to be doing too well.
The lowest prices I have been quoted mailorder do not beat the lowest
prices available from authorised local dealers.
They are even further away from educational prices.
-ERik Speckman
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5034 | From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Subject: Re: Name of MD's eyepiece?
Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science
Lines: 13
In article <C4IHM2.Gs9@watson.ibm.com> clarke@watson.ibm.com (Ed Clarke) writes:
>|> |It's not an eyepiece. It is called a head mirror. All doctors never
>
>A speculum?
The speculum is the little cone that fits on the end of the otoscope.
There are also vaginal specula that females and gynecologists are
all too familiar with.
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5035 | From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Subject: Stan Fischler, 4/4
Summary: From the Devils pregame show, prior to hosting the Penguins
Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: PhDs In The Hall
Lines: 32
At the Lester Patrick Awards lunch, Bill Torrey mentioned that one of his
options next season is to be president of the Miami team, with Bob Clarke
working for him. At the same dinner, Clarke said that his worst mistake
in Philadelphia was letting Mike Keenan go -- in retrospect, almost all
players came realize that Keenan knew what it took to win. Rumours are
now circulating that Keenan will be back with the Flyers.
Nick Polano is sick of being a scapegoat for the schedule made for the
Red Wings; After all, Bryan Murray approved it.
Gerry Meehan and John Muckler are worried over the Sabres' prospects;
Assistant Don Lever says that the Sabres have to get their share now,
because a Quebec dynasty is emerging ...
The Mighty Ducks have declared that they will not throw money around
loosely to buy a team.
Oilers coach Ted Green remarked that "There some guys around who can
fill Tie Domi's skates, but none who can fill his helmet."
Senators' Andrew McBain told off a security guard at Chicago Stadium
who warned him of the stairs leading down to the locker room; McBain
mouthed off at him, after all being a seasoned professional ... and
tumbled down the entire steep flight.
gld
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Gary L. Dare
> gld@columbia.EDU GO Winnipeg Jets GO!!!
> gld@cunixc.BITNET Selanne + Domi ==> Stanley
|
5036 | From: steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks)
Subject: Re: Price Controls for Medical Care (WAS Re: We're from the govt...)
Summary: "Loss leader" argument does not wash
Organization: Not Aging, Just Improving, Inc.
Lines: 76
Nntp-Posting-Host: thor.isc-br.com
In article <SLAGLE.93Apr5075759@sgi417.msd.lmsc.lockheed.com> slagle@lmsc.lockheed.com writes:
>In article <1993Apr2.185755.17803@isc-br.isc-br.com>, steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes:
>
>> Thanks to Kim for following up. I was hoping that someone would bring up
>> the issue of cost compensation. The problem with the argument is that it
>> fails to explain why kidney dialysis (RD) services have expanded massively in
>> the last decade. After all, no one is forcing private providers to offer
>> this service. If they are losing money on the treatment (which according
>> to information I've collected from several providers they are not) why
>> would they not simply limit their losses by cutting back on services
>> (engage in effective rationing of supply) rather than expand the coverage
>> to a larger market that must then be compensated by raising prices in
>> other areas?
>
>Perhaps there is a competitive advantage in there after all. Would
>not reputable and dedicated physicians prefer to affiliate with an
>institution that offers dialysis services? Would they not therefore
>tend to admit patients in greater numbers to an institution that
>offered a full range of diagnostic and treatment options?
Undoubtedly. In fact, it is the fact that hospitals frequently compete
for physicians rather than for patients that (in part) complicates and
undermines a simplistic free-market analysis of the market for medical care.
>Hospitals tend to lose money on all sorts of high-tech, high-price
>machinery. They manage to make it up on other charges.
Once again, there is no evidence that this is true in regard to kidney
dialysis. Although price controls have promoted an expansion of services
to a much greater volume of patients, RD is still a profitable service.
Otherwise, one would expect to see evidence of rationing rather than the
vast expansion that has occurred.
>
>> Remember, the notion that you can lose a little on each treatment but
>> make it up in volume is not good economics even in a free market. :)
>
>Then how do you explain why grocery stores routinely offer an
>array of products at prices below cost? Are not grocery stores
>embedded in a relatively free market?
Can you spell "loss leader?" I knew you could. Grocery stores do not
attempt to make up the loss on an individual product by selling more of
it. In fact, your argument above is that kidney dialysis is a loss leader
for other medical treatments where lost revenue can be regained.
But the evidence does not support this contention. Rather, it appears that
price controls have disciplined the market by forcing an expansion of
service and development of improved lower-cost technology to provide
comparable benefits. Providers continue to profit from RD, they simply
make less on each treatment than they would have if the price had
risen at the rate that uncontrolled treatments have.
There is no question that had price controls forced the price of RD
substantially below its actual cost that some or all of the doomsday
predictions of free-market advocates would have been seen -- restriction
of service, lagging technological development, etc. Likewise, it appears
that in the VA and armed forces medical care systems, where providers
are government agencies, some of these negative impacts may occur.
(RD patients in the VA system in Spokane, for example, must travel to
Seattle, 300 miles away, for treatment.)
The bottom line, however, is that this is an example of government
intervention (of a rather extreme sort) that appears to have had beneficial
results for both providers and consumers. Claims that "government
bureaucracy" inevitably leads to undesirable outcomes in the marketplace
should take such such cases into account.
jsh
>
>=Mark
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the bulls**t." - R. Hofferbert | Ma Bell: 509 838-8826
|
5037 | From: egan@phony25.cc.utah.edu (Egan F. Ford)
Subject: Need Help with key bindings
Reply-To: egan%phony25.cc.utah.edu@hellgate.utah.edu
Organization: Call Business Systems
Lines: 21
I need help binding some value to the HOME and END keys on my keyboard. I have an
rs/6000 w/ aix3.2.3ext running X11R5pl19 mit dist. I'm using a PC running eXceed
for windows as my xterminal. The HOME and END keys do not send a value, and my
application needs them to be defined. I used this in my Xdefaults to define the
keys:
varnet*VT100.Translations: #override \
<Key>Home: string("\033[8~") \n\
<Key>End: string("\033[7~")
Then I xterm -name varnet. This works perfect, however the 7 and the 1 key on my
keypad are also defined as \033[8~ and \033[7~.
Any ideas? Help please.
Thanks.
--
Egan F. Ford
egan%phony25.cc.utah.edu@hellgate.utah.edu
|
5038 | From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Subject: Re: Sinus vs. Migraine (was Re: Sinus Endoscopy)
Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science
Lines: 15
In article <1993Mar26.001004.10983@news.eng.convex.com> cash@convex.com (Peter Cash) writes:
>
>By the way, does the brain even have pain receptors? I thought not--I heard
>that brain surgery can be performed while the patient is conscious for
>precisely this reason.
>
No, no, we aren't talking about receptors for the brain's sensory
innervation, but structures such as the thalamus that handle pain
for the entire organism. Apples and oranges.
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|
5039 | From: gspira@nyx.cs.du.edu (Greg Spira)
Subject: Re: BaseballIsDead
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Lines: 10
scott@asd.com (Scott Barman) writes:
>Forget it. Word has it three divisions with a wild card is just about
>a done deal. It has to be decided soon since negotiations with the
>networks also have to begin soon.
Preliminary negotiations started already, I believe. Though the word
is that they are going slooooooooooooooooooooooowly.
Greg
|
5040 | From: nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu
Subject: Re: Jemison on Star Trek
Article-I.D.: aurora.1993Apr20.142747.1
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Lines: 16
Nntp-Posting-Host: acad3.alaska.edu
In article <C5sB3p.IB9@fs7.ece.cmu.edu>, loss@fs7.ECE.CMU.EDU (Doug Loss) writes:
> I saw in the newspaper last night that Dr. Mae Jemison, the first
> black woman in space (she's a physician and chemical engineer who flew
> on Endeavour last year) will appear as a transporter operator on the
> "Star Trek: The Next Generation" episode that airs the week of May 31.
> It's hardly space science, I know, but it's interesting.
>
> Doug Loss
Interesting is rigth.. I wonder if they will make a mention of her being an
astronaut in the credits.. I think it might help people connect the future of
space with the present.. And give them an idea that we must go into space..
==
Michael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked
|
5041 | From: ohayon@jcpltyo.JCPL.CO.JP (Tsiel Ohayon)
Subject: Re: Israeli Terrorism, Anas the Anus
Organization: James Capel Pacific Limited, Tokyo Japan
Lines: 20
Anas Omran writes in his earlier posting:
[ANAS] A high rank Israeli officer was killed during a clash whith a Hamas
[ANAS] Mujahid. The terrorist Israelis chased and killed a young Mujahid
[ANAS] using anti-tank missiles. The terrorist zionists cut the Mujahid's
[ANAS] body into small pieces to the extend that his body was not recognized.
[ANAS] At leat ten houses were destroyed by these atni-tank missiles.
If indeed Israeli soldiers killed a "Hamas Mujahid" with an anti-tank missile
then I'm almost sure that the "terrorist zionists" would not have been able
to cut up a body which was probably desintegrated by the missile.
Stop polluting the net with you fantasies.
Tsiel
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5042 | From: kbw@helios.ath.epa.gov (Kevin B. Weinrich)
Subject: Why do I need "xrdb -m" when .Xdefaults unchanged?
Organization: Computer Sciences Corp.
Lines: 38
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: helios.ath.epa.gov
I'm having an X resource problem using Brian Wilson's wscrawl 2.0
(a wonderful interactive conferencing program, by the way). I'm
running OpenWindows 3.0 on a SPARC 1+ under OS 4.1.3. I have
the following defaults in my .Xdefaults file (among many others):
wscrawl.telePointerName: Kevin
wscrawl.syncScrollbars: True
wscrawl.continuousTelePointer: True
wscrawl.showPointerCoordinates: False
wscrawl*background: LightBlue
wscrawl*swindow*foreground: yellow
wscrawl*draw_area_frame*foreground: Blue
wscrawl*keyboardFocusPolicy: pointer
Naturally, I exited the server and restarted it after adding
those lines to .Xdefaults .
If I run the following from a cmdtool (pwd = my home dir.):
xrdb -m .Xdefaults
and then start up wscrawl, then all those defaults are used
properly. Wonderful, yes? Except that I can't get them to be
operative except by *manually* invoking the afore-mentioned
xrdb command. If I try:
xrdb .Xdefaults
the defaults "won't take."
So, I tried to change the xrdb call in my .xinitrc file from:
xrdb $HOME/.Xdefaults
to:
xrdb -m $HOME/.Xdefaults
No go. So I tried adding in:
xrdb -m /home/kbw/.Xdefaults
at the beginning or end of my .openwin-init file. Still no go.
Any notions what gives? Thanks for the help.
--
Kevin Weinrich Computer Sciences Corp.
kbw@helios.ath.epa.gov
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5043 | From: adamsr@netcom.com (Rick Adams)
Subject: Help with 486/66 Decision.
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Distribution: us
Lines: 37
I'm buying a new system this week to replace my brain dead 286, and
could use some feedback on a couple systems I'm looking at if anyone is
familiar with them.
The system that looks the most interesting is the Budget 486/66 VLB
tower. For about $2343 (delivered) it offers VLB, 8MB, 200MB IDE, a Mitsumi
CD-ROM (with software bundle), Media Vision Sound board, 14" CTX 1468NI,
128K Cache, and the usual drives, ports, & OS software. Since my budget is
$2350 for a system, it seems almost too good to be true (which may mean it
IS too good to be true, of course). Among other things, I've never seen a
review of the Budget systems (or their parent company, Micro Smart), or of
the motherboard they are using (the Aetana). Any feedback would be
appreciated.
In a similar vein, the second system I'm considering Midwest Micro's
Elite VESA 486/66 tower with a Diamond Viper (2MB) & Midwest Micro 14" MI
monitor is one I've never seen reviewed anywhere. I'm familiar with the
firm but not the product line - and some idea of their quality would be abig
benefit here as well.
Any other suggestions in the price range would be appreciated - my
greatest needs are speed and graphics capabilities.
Email response would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
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over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to
prevent harm to others. His own good, either physical or moral, is
not a sufficient warrant. John Stuart Mill
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anonymous users may send to ap-poly.491@n7kbt.rain.com
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5044 | From: donb@netcom.com (Don Baldwin)
Subject: Re: FYI - BATF reply on Waco
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Lines: 43
In article <C5L480.K7u@elite.intel.com> dgw@elite.intel.com (Dennis Willson)
writes:
>On March 8, I sent strongly worded letters critisizing the BATF in
>their handling of the Randy Weaver and Branch Davidian cases to
>several politicians (Ore. Senators Bob Packwood and Mark Hatfield,
>Representative Elizabeth Furse and Treasury Secretary Lloyd Bentsen).
>While I have never been a supporter of Bob Packwood, I must admit
>that he seems to be the only one who has done anything but round-file
>my letter.
Well, I didn't bother writing to Boxer, Feinstein or Eshoo, the terrible
trio who allegly represent me. Instead, I wrote to Bentsen. My letter
was not exactly strongly-worded; I simply stated that the BATF approach
was immoral (military-style assault, firing into a house where they knew
there were kids).
Aparently, Bentsen forwarded my letter to the BATF and they responded to
me directly. It follows the text of your reply pretty closely. However,
I intend to send another letter directly to them, in return.
>Prior to the service of the Federal search warrant, numerous efforts
>were made to locate and effect the arrest of David Koresh away from the
>compound. These efforts were unsuccessful. Even if David Koresh had
>been arrested while away from the compound, action would have been
>required against his followers (who are just as violent as he) during
>the subsequent search of the premises.
This section is not in the letter that I received. The parts about ATF
logo and steenking badges or their loss of the element of surprise
were not included, either.
> Sincerely yours,
>
> Daniel M. H??l??tt [can't make out signature]
> Deputy Director
The same guy with the bad handwriting apparently signed my letter, "for
Richard L. Garner; Chief, Special Operations Division".
don
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Subject: Dataproducts LZR1260 not printing correctly
Organization: Regional Network Systems Group, Perth
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5046 | From: willisw@willisw.ENG.CLEMSON.edu (Bill Willis)
Subject: Re: HELP! Installing second IDE drive
Organization: Engineering Services, Clemson University
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In article <1qn627$iv@darwin.sura.net> wbarnes@sura.net (Bill Barnes) writes:
>Recently my cousin got a second internal IDE drive (a Seagate 210MB,
>I can look up the model number if it's important) and I've been
>trying to help him install it. [I've got a vested interest, since
>my machine's busted and I have to use his until I get mine fixed.]
>He already has a Seagate 85MB IDE HD (again, I forget the model number
>but I can find out.)
>Anyway, I can't seem to get the bloody thing up. I've managed to get
>one or the other drive up (with the other disconnected), but not both
>at the same time; whenever I try, the thing hangs during bootup -
>never gets past the system test. The IDE controller's instruction
>sheet says it supports two drives; I think I've configured the CMOS
>correctly; the power's plugged in properly; I even learned about the
>master/slave relationship that two HDs are supposed to have (didn't
>know PCs were into S&M! 8^) and I think I configured the jumpers
>properly (the 85MB one is the master, the new 210MB one is the slave).
>The only thing I can think of is maybe I'm doing the cabling wrong. I've
>tried several combinations:
>controller - master - slave
>controller - slave - master
>master - controller - slave
>None of them worked. Unfortunately, I can't think of any others.
>Another possibility is that the 85MB one is already partitioned into
>two seperate drives, C and D, and the CMOS asks for "C: drive" and "D:
>drive" setup info rather than "drive 1" and "drive 2" like most others
>I've seen. Could this be confusing things?
>So, I need HELP! The drive came bereft of any docs, except for some
>info for the CMOS setup; the controller has a little piece of paper
>about the size of an index card; I cannibalized the cable (it's one
>of those with a connector at each end and the one in the middle, so
>it looks like a serial connection); now I be lost!
>Many, many thanks in advance! This is practically an emergency (I have
>two papers to do on this thing for Monday!)! Help!
>--
>-----------------------
>William Barnes SURAnet Operations
>wbarnes@sura.net (301) 982-4600 voice (301) 982-4605 fax
>Disclaimer: I don't speak for SURAnet and they don't speak for me.
I've been told by our local computer guru that you can't do this unless you
perform a low level format on your existing hard drive and set your system
up for two hard drives from the beginning. I took him at his word, and I
have not tried to find out any more about it, because I'm not going to back
everything up just to add another HDD. If anyone knows for sure what the
scoop is, I would like to know also. Thanks in advance also.
Bill Willis
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5047 | From: gedwards@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Gordon Edwards)
Subject: Re: protection fault
Keywords: fault
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA
Distribution: na
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In <thia.735836016@mira.sce.carleton.ca> thia@sce.carleton.ca (Yong Thia) writes:
>Hi! I was wondering if anyone out there could help me.
>I have an error message that goes:
>
>
>
>What does it mean?
>
>I am running MS windows 3.1.
Ummm.. I think you left the message out...
I get these protection faults all the time on my machine at work, a
486 33MHz with 4MB RAM, Windows 3.1, with Dos 5.0.
At home (on a 386 40MHz, 8MB RAM, Windows 3.1 and Dos 5.0) I *never* get
these.
Any idea what could be wrong? Someone already suggested I check for tmp
files in the windows/temp directory, there are none there.
The message I get is:
This application has violated system integrity due to an invalid
general protection fault and will be terminated.
I only have this problem with applications running in DOS boxes (with or
without .pif files setup for them).
Any hints/help greatly appreciated. Please post since at least one other
person is also having gpf problems.
Thanks,
Gordon
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NCR Engineering & Manufacturing |
gedwards@ncratl.atlantaga.ncr.com | Kiri-Kin-Tha's First Law of Metaphysics
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5048 | From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar)
Subject: Re: Happy Easter!
Nntp-Posting-Host: bmdhh299
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
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kevinh, on the Tue, 20 Apr 1993 13:23:01 GMT wibbled:
: In article <1993Apr19.154020.24818@i88.isc.com>, jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes:
: |> In article <2514@tekgen.bv.tek.com> davet@interceptor.cds.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS) writes:
: |> >In article <1993Apr15.171757.10890@i88.isc.com> jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes:
: |> >>Rolls-Royce owned by a non-British firm?
: |> >>
: |> >>Ye Gods, that would be the end of civilization as we know it.
: |> >
: |> > Why not? Ford owns Aston-Martin and Jaguar, General Motors owns Lotus
: |> >and Vauxhall. Rover is only owned 20% by Honda.
: |>
: |> Yes, it's a minor blasphemy that U.S. companies would ?? on the likes of A.M.,
: |> Jaguar, or (sob) Lotus. It's outright sacrilege for RR to have non-British
: |> ownership. It's a fundamental thing
: I think there is a legal clause in the RR name, regardless of who owns it
: it must be a British company/owner - i.e. BA can sell the company but not
: the name.
: kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch
I don't believe that BA have anything to do with RR. It's a seperate
company from the RR Aero-Engine company. I think that the government
own a stake. Unfortunately they owned a stake of Jaguar too, until
they decided to make a quick buck and sold it to Ford. Bastards.
This is definitely the ultimate Arthur-Daley government.
--
Nick (the Cynical Biker) DoD 1069 Concise Oxford Leaky Gearbox
M'Lud.
Nick Pettefar, Contractor@Large. /~~~\ "Teneo tuus intervallum"
Cuurrently incarcerated at BNR, {-O^O-} npet@bnr.ca '86 BMW K100RS "Kay"
Maidenhead, The United Kingdom. \ o / Pres. PBWASOH(UK), BS 0002
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5049 | From: brody@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Adam R. Brody )
Subject: Re: Conference on Manned Lunar Exploration. May 7 Crystal City
Organization: NASA Ames Research Center
Distribution: na
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prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes:
>AW&ST had a brief blurb on a Manned Lunar Exploration confernce
>May 7th at Crystal City Virginia, under the auspices of AIAA.
>Does anyone know more about this? How much, to attend????
>Anyone want to go?
>pat
I got something in the mail from AIAA about it. Cost is $75.
Speakers include John Pike, Hohn Young, and Ian Pryke.
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5050 | From: cosmo@pro-angmar.alfalfa.com (Frank Benson)
Subject: Serdar
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu
You are quite the loser
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5051 | From: andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman)
Subject: Re: criminals & machineguns
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Distribution: usa
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In article <93104.175256U28037@uicvm.uic.edu> Jason Kratz <U28037@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>people are getting killed by gang violence every day? Every single day I hear
>about more people getting killed by gang violence and see some of the weapons
>that are being confiscated.
Is Kratz claiming that he can reliably visually distinguish an M-16
from an AR-15? That he can see the difference between a semi-auto and
a full-auto UZI? That he can see the difference between the various
versions (some full-auto, some semi-auto only) of the M-11/9?
If so, I'd love to hear the details, if only because they'll demonstrate
that Kratz is blowing smoke.
Considering that one can design a gun so that it looks just like
another gun, yet have very different properties, and that that's
quite common....
Most kids in my neighborhood were quite young when they figured out
that my parents car wasn't much like Richard Petty's, even though it
looked just like it (except for the paint job). Things must have been
different with Kratz.
>Sure it's on TV but why does that make a difference?
No, it doesn't, but that's irrelevant. If visual inspection of the
outside worked, TV would be acceptable, but since it doesn't, the fact
that it's just as good as seeing in person doesn't mean much.
-andy gave Kratz a chance to back down on this in private
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5052 | From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Subject: Re: Why not give $1 billion to first year-long moon residents?
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc
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In <1993Apr20.101044.2291@iti.org> aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) writes:
>Depends. If you assume the existance of a working SSTO like DC, on billion
>$$ would be enough to put about a quarter million pounds of stuff on the
>moon. If some of that mass went to send equipment to make LOX for the
>transfer vehicle, you could send a lot more. Either way, its a lot
>more than needed.
>This prize isn't big enough to warrent developing a SSTO, but it is
>enough to do it if the vehicle exists.
But Allen, if you can assume the existence of an SSTO there is no need
to have the contest in the first place. I would think that what we
want to get out of the contest is the development of some of these
'cheaper' ways of doing things; if they already exist, why flush $1G
just to get someone to go to the Moon for a year?
--
"Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live
in the real world." -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden
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Fred.McCall@dseg.ti.com - I don't speak for others and they don't speak for me.
|
5053 | From: coyne@thing1.cc.utexas.edu ()
Subject: Re: Radar detector DETECTORS?
Organization: At UT? That's a joke.
Lines: 24
NNTP-Posting-Host: thing1.cc.utexas.edu
It is illegal to use anything you eavedropped on for a business
or for an illegal use. Jurisdictions that ban radar detectors or
police monitors, are essentially making the claim that there is no
other reason for a radar detector or police radio monitor.
The results of fighting these claims in courts have been mixed.
The federal courts are not anxious to intervene and state courts
have sometimes held that the feds have exclusive jurisdiction
and sometimes they have not. A lot of state courts do not have
enough imagination to see any use for a radar detector besides
avoiding law enforcement action for speeding.
When you buy a radar detector, amongst the guarrantees, instructions,
explanations, and other detritus, is an invitation to join an
association dedicated to preserving your right to use a radar detector.
(I promise I am not making this up!)
I do not think radar detector manufacturers would be making any
headway at all in courtrooms if police departments enforced speed
laws with a strict eye to public safety and a blind eye to the fund
raiser aspect of tickets.
Mike Coyne
|
5054 | From: marc@ccvi.ccv.FR (Marc Bassini)
Subject: [jb@sgihbtn.sierra.com: Re: Xlib for MS/WINDOWS not an XSERVER!!!]
Organization: The Internet
Lines: 16
NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu
To: jb@sgihbtn.sierra.com
Cc: tech-staff@jekyll.ccvi.ccv.fr, xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu
>I think you may find that either Quarterdeck (Deskview/X) or
>Hummingbird (eXceed) provide an Xlib for DOS. Perhaps they also have
>an Xlib for MS-Windows? It's a possibility.
>
Yes, eXceed has windows version. Have ported some games like tetris,
works fine.
Si c'est vrai, ce serait bien de se le procurer car a ce moment la, le
portage Xt... Suis-je en train de perdre mon temps avec la toolkit c++
?
Marc Bassini (marc@ccv.fr, marc@cnam.cnam.fr)
Computers, Communications & Visions (C2V)
82 bd Haussmann, 75008 Paris FRANCE
Phone 40.08.07.07, Fax 43.87.35.99
|
5055 | From: timhu@ico.isc.com (Timothy Hu)
Subject: Re: Hard disk question
Organization: Interactive Systems Corp., Boulder CO
Lines: 24
In article <Aovai.0bp4@qube.OCUnix.On.Ca> Aovai@qube.OCUnix.On.Ca (Aovai) writes:
>Hi,
>
>I just disassembled my old XT and get 2 disk drives - 30M hard drive and a
>360K floppy drive. My questions are:
>
> -can I use these 2 drives as drives D & E on my 386SX25 ? This 386SX25
> currently has 80M hard drive, 1.2M & 1.44M floppy drives.
>
> -if I can, what s/w or h/w do I need ?
>
I would doubt that you would be able to use the hard drive. XT drives
usually came in MFM or RLL flavors. I bet your 386SX has IDE drives. The
two are not compatible on the same controller. However, you might be
able to use the drive *with its controller* in your 386SX. You should be
able to plug your 360K drive into your existing 386SX controller (I
think). You might have to use the floppy controller that was used in the
XT.
--
Timothy Hu timhu@ico.isc.com | The intelligence (or lack of) expressed
Interactive Systems Corporation | above does not necessarily reflect
Resource Solutions International | that of anyone else.
also:thu@grips0.uwyo.edu
|
5056 | From: RFP@jhuvm.hcf.jhu.edu (Rebecca Priver)
Subject: Summer Sublet Wanted in DC
Organization: Johns Hopkins University, Homewood Academic Computing
Lines: 7
NNTP-Posting-Host: jhuvm.hcf.jhu.edu
Wanted: Summer sublet in NW DC, on red Metro line. Have own bedroom, but can
share common areas with others. Apartment or room for $400 or less.
Move in Memorial Day weekend through end of August. No smokers.
Email PRINAOA @ YALEVM or RFP@JHUVM
|
5057 | From: shanlps@ducvax.auburn.edu
Subject: TV RECEPTION: HEELLLPPP!!!
Lines: 18
Nntp-Posting-Host: ducvax
Organization: Auburn University, AL
Lines: 18
Hello,
I just canceled my support of the Cable Regime and I would like to at
least pick up the 3 networks and NBC. :) I do not have tons of
money nor even a few pounds so what I am looking for is the best solution
for reception for under 100 dollars. I have seen modules that you plug
into your wall outlet that "supposedly" make your entire house an
antenna. I have to admit, even with my limited knowledge of wavelength
and aerial reception, this seems dubious in its claims for "excellent
reception" at best. I'll try anything, though, if it WORKS. I am in
a non-mountainous area, approximately 50 miles from the transmitting stations
which are pretty large (Montgomery Alabama pop. 200,000) and Colombus Goergia,
pop. 100,000+. Any recommendations of products, brand-names, prices and
company info (catalog ordering numbers, addresses etc.)? Thank you in
advance.
Paul Sylvester Shanley pshanley@humsci.auburn.edu VOICE 205 887 7440
|
5058 | From: jdailey@asic.sc.ti.com (Jim Dailey)
Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any
Nntp-Posting-Host: tidss2.asic.sc.ti.com
Reply-To: jdailey@asic.sc.ti.com
Organization: Design Automaton Div., Texas Instruments, Inc.
Lines: 36
>amolitor@nmsu.edu (Andrew Molitor) writes:
>> Not to pick on Mr. May in particular, of course, but isn't this
>>kind of the domino theory? When one little country falls, its neighbor
>>will surely follow, and before you know it, we're all mining salt
>>in Siberia for not turning in our Captain Crunch Secret Decoder Rings.
There was an interesting column on the editorial page of the Dallas
Morning News on Saturday by Walter Williams, who I believe is a
professor at Georgetown (I wonder if he knows of Dorothy "you're not in
Kansas anymore" Denning). The article was titled "Government slowly
eroding our liberties", and in it he tells a story attributed to the
late Leonard Read who
explained that if you wanted to take liberty away from
Americans, you had to know how to cook a frog. Mr. Read
said you can't cook a frog by boiling a pot of water and
then throwing the frog in. His reflexes are so quick that
as soon as his feet touch the water, he will leap away.
You must put the frog in a pot of cold water and heat it
up bit by bit. By the time the frog realizes he's being
cooked, it is too late. It is the same with Americans.
If anyone tried to take our freedoms all at once, we
would naturally rebel and suppress the tyrant. But as
with successful frog cooking, our liberties can be taken
a little bit at a time.
The last line of the article says, "It's not too late for us, but the
water is getting pretty warm." I'd have toagree that it's warm and the
Clipper is keeping the temperature on an upward course.
NOTE: followups redirected to alt.privacy.clipper
---
Jim jdailey@asic.sc.ti.com
TI pays absolutely no attention to me or my opinions; therefore,
the foregoing information cannot possibly represent TI's viewpoint.
|
5059 | From: jas@ISI.EDU (Jeff Sullivan)
Subject: IIvx -> C650 Upgrade Question
Organization: USC-ISI
Lines: 10
Distribution: comp
NNTP-Posting-Host: tigger.isi.edu
If you get teh IIvx ->C650 upgrade, does it include a new sticker to
cover the IIvx identifier with a Centris 650 indetifier?
jas
--
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Jeffrey A. Sullivan | Research Scientist et al.
jas@isi.edu (Internet) | Information Sciences Institute
72511,402 (Compuserve) | University of Southern California
|
5060 | From: franceschi@pasadena-dc.bofa.com
Subject: Re: Gov't break-ins (Re: 60 minutes)
Organization: Bank America Systems Engineering, Pasadena, CA
Lines: 20
On a Los Angeles radio station last weekend, the lawyers for the
family of the MURDERED rancher said that the Los Angeles Sheriff's
Department had an assessment done of the rancher's property before
the raid.
This strongly implies that the sheriff's department wanted the property;
any drugs (which were not found) were only an excuse.
In Viet Nam, Lt Calley was tried and convicted of murder because his
troops, in a war setting, deliberately killed innocent people. It is time
that the domestic law enforcement agencies in this country adhere to
standards at least as moral as the military's.
Greed killed the rancher, possibly greed killed the Davidian children.
Government greed.
It is time to prosecute the leaders who perform these invasions.
Fred Franceschi (These are my own opinions!)
|
5061 | From: terry.walter@outlan.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Terry Walter)
Subject: LOOKING
Reply-To: terry.walter@outlan.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Terry Walter)
Distribution: world
Organization: Outland BBS
Lines: 12
Looking for a VIDEO in and OUT Video card for the IBM. One that will
allow you to watch TV (coax) or video IN, and will do Video out,
digitize pictures. and if I am in Windows, and would like to be able to
look the RCA out for the card to my TV and have it display on there, as
well as DOS apps.
I heard of these SNES and Genesis copiers, that will copy any games, are
those for real?
----
Message was posted at outlan.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca
#403-478-4010 HST and v.32bis Try it, you'll like it!
|
5062 | From: jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Josh Hopkins)
Subject: Re: Conference on Manned Lunar Exploration. May 7 Crystal City
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Lines: 18
prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes:
>AW&ST had a brief blurb on a Manned Lunar Exploration confernce
>May 7th at Crystal City Virginia, under the auspices of AIAA.
>Does anyone know more about this? How much, to attend????
A good summary has been posted (thanks), but I wanted to add another comment.
I remeber reading the comment that General Dynamics was tied into this, in
connection with their proposal for an early manned landing. Sorry I don't
rember where I heard this, but I'm fairly sure it was somewhere reputable.
Anyone else know anything on this angle?
Hrumph. They didn't send _me_ anything :(
--
Josh Hopkins jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
"Find a way or make one."
-attributed to Hannibal
|
5063 | From: laszlo@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu (Laszlo Nemeth)
Subject: Re: BMW MOA members read this!
Nntp-Posting-Host: eclipse.cs.colorado.edu
Organization: University of Colorado Boulder, Pizza Disposal Group
Lines: 27
In article <1993Apr19.193331.11327@sarvax.cmhnet.org>, frog@sarvax.cmhnet.org (Jeff 'Frog' Campbell) writes:
|> From article <C5px3n.Kw0@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, by cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Dances With Federal Rangers):
|> >
|> > ObMotoWashing: Is it just me, or does everyone cut their finger(s) on the
|> > Evil Cotterpin (tm), lurking somewhere in the dark recesses of the back end
|> > of the bike, when giving the prized moto a bath? I seem to slice the pinkie
|> > of one hand or the other *every* time (*both* of them this time!).
|>
|> It's you. Beemers have no EC (tm).
OH yes they do! but considering i never wash my BMW (unless i need
to work on it) i never get cuts untill the tools come out.....
altho the best scar (now faded) was from the exhaust piper,
while try to change the oil, after overheating the engine (watch
out for idiot drivers that won't let you pass in the mountains
when you have a rider, case of oil (it was on sale), and case of
beer), with a drain bolt that decided to seize.
just how does everyone else clean out the area under the transmission
on a BMW R bike? they only way i have found is to remove the
engine and transmission. that and the clutch arm are impossible to
clean (which is wear one of the EC (s&m) are located).
laz
Ps anyone know where i can get the heads polished and ported
cheap. also how much should that run.
|
5064 | From: downec@crockett1a.its.rpi.edu (Christopher Stevan Downey)
Subject: Re: My Predictions of a classic playoff year!
Nntp-Posting-Host: crockett1a.its.rpi.edu
Reply-To: downec@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Lines: 82
In article <1993Apr17.152611.12934@ac.dal.ca>, 06paul@ac.dal.ca writes:
|> Here is yet another prediction for them great playoffs!
|> (you may laugh at your convenience!) :)
|>
|> Adams Division (I hate the NE (name) divisoin!!!)
|>
|> BOS vs BUF BOS in 5 (the B's are hot lately!)
|>
|> MON vs QUE MON in 7 (This will be the series to watch in the first round!)
|>
|>
|> BOS vs MON MON in 7 (this may be a bit biased but I feel the Canadiens will
|> (smarten up and start playing they played two months ago
|> ( i.e. bench Savard !!!)
|> Patrick Division
|>
|> PIT vs NJD PIT in 6 (It wont be a complete cake walk... there be a few lumps
|> (in the cake batter!)
|>
|> WAS vs NYI WAS in 6 (This will not be an exciting series..IMO)
|>
|>
|> PITT vs WAS PIT in 4 (Washington will be tired after the NYI)
|>
|> Norris Division
|>
|> CHI vs StL CHI in 5 (StL will get a lucky game in)
|>
|> TOR vs DET TOR in 7 (THis , like MON vs QUE, will be another intense
|> (series to watch!)
|>
|> CHI vs TOR TOR in 7 (Potvin will be settling in nicely by this point.)
|>
|> Smythe Division
|>
|> VAN vs WIN VAN in 5 (Teemu is great, but Vancouver better as a team!)
|>
|> CAL vs LAK CAL in 6 (Gretzky is great, but Calgary has been on fire lately)
|> ...sorry for the pun... um, no I am not! :)
|>
|> VAN vs CAL VAN in 6 (This will be a great series! but VAN has proven they
|> (Will not lie down and get beat!)
|>
|> Wales Conference finals
|>
|> Pittsburgh vs Montreal Montreal in 6 (Montreal IMHO is the only team
|> (that has a chance against
|> Pittsburgh.)
|>
|> Campbell Conference finals
|>
|> Vancouver vs Toronto Toronto in 6 (Potvin will be series MVP)
|>
|>
|> STANLEY CUP FINALS
|>
|> Toronto Maple Leafs vs Montreal Canadiens
|> (The Classic Stanley Cup Final matchup!!) <---also a dream come true!
|>
|> Montreal wins the Stanley cup in the 7th game 1 - 0 in double overtime.
|> Roy and Potvin are spectacular throughout the series and share series MVP (if
|> that is possible) Vincent Damphouse nets game winner from a brilliant pass by
|> Brian Bellows! Canadiens star(?) Denis Savard watched his buddies play from the
|> owners box nursing that splinter on his thumb which has left him on the
|> disabled list since the first game of the playoffs (awww shucks).
|>
|> ***************************************YEE HAA!!*******************************
|> *poof* And I wake up :)
|> Well that is my predictions...I hope and dream they come true. and you can stop
|> laughing anytime :)
|>
|> Paul
|> Die hard Habs Fan living with
|> 3 Die hard Leafs fans!
I only have one comment on this: You call this a *classic* playoff year
and yet you don't include a Chicago-Detroit series. C'mon, I'm a Boston
fan and I even realize that Chicago-Detroit games are THE most exciting
games to watch.
Chris
downec@rpi.edu
|
5065 | From: jperkski@kentcomm.uucp (Jim Perkowski)
Subject: Re: jiggers
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (10.17.92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Organization: Privately owned and operated UUCP site.
Lines: 26
In article <1ppae1$bt0@bigboote.WPI.EDU> susan@wpi.WPI.EDU (susan) writes:
> a friend of mine has a very severe cause of jiggers -
> for over a year now - they cause him a lot of pain.
>
> i recently read (i don't know where) about a possible
> cure for jiggers. does anyone have any information on
> this? i can't remember the name of the treatment, or
> where i read it.
>
I'll probably get flamed for this, but when I was a kid we would go to
my uncles cabin on Middle Bass Island on Lake Erie. We always came home
with a nasty case of jiggers (large red bumps where the buggers had
burrowed into the skin). My mother would paint the bumps with clear
finger nail polish. This was repeated daily for about a week or so. The
application of the polish is supposed to suffocate them as it seals of
the skin. All I can say is it worked for us. One word of caution
though. Putting finger nail polish on a jigger bite stings like hell.
(If I do get flamed for this just put jam in my pockets and call me
toast.:)
--
_______________________________________________________________________________
kentcomm!jperkski@aldhfn.akron.oh.us (and) kentcomm!jperkski@legend.akron.oh.us
|
5066 | From: tholen@newton.ifa.hawaii.edu (Dave Tholen)
Subject: Re: Command Loss Timer (Re: Galileo Update - 04/22/93)
Organization: Institute for Astronomy, Hawaii
Lines: 23
Alan Carter writes:
>> 3. On April 19, a NO-OP command was sent to reset the command loss timer to
>> 264 hours, its planned value during this mission phase.
> This activity is regularly reported in Ron's interesting posts. Could
> someone explain what the Command Loss Timer is?
The name is rather descriptive. It's a command to the spacecraft that tells
it "If you don't hear from Earth after 264 hours, assume something is wrong
with your (the spacecraft) attitude, and go into a preprogrammed search mode
in an attempt to reacquire the signal from Earth."
The spacecraft and Earth are not in constant communication with each other.
Earth monitors the telemetry from the spacecraft, and if everything is fine,
there's no reason to send it any new information. But from the spacecraft's
point of view, no information from Earth could mean either everything is
fine, or that the spacecraft has lost signal acquisition. Just how long
should the spacecraft wait before it decides that something is wrong and
begins to take corrective action? That "how long" is the command loss timer.
During relatively inactive cruise phases, the command loss timer can be set
to rather long values. In this case, Earth is telling Galileo "expect to
hear back from us sometime within the next 264 hours".
|
5067 | From: willisw@willisw.ENG.CLEMSON.edu (Bill Willis)
Subject: Re: Mysterious MOSFET
Organization: Engineering Services, Clemson University
Lines: 23
In article <1qug3sINN90g@rave.larc.nasa.gov> kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov (Scott Dorsey) writes:
>I have a MOSFET pulled out of a Trygon power supply, for which I have no
>manual. It's a Motorola part with a 1972 date code and the number
> 285-4
>which the Motorola folks assure me is a house number, which they can't
>help me with. Any suggestions from folks out there? I can't put it on
>a curve tracer to try to get an equivalent, since it's completely shot.
>--scott
Since your MOSFET is a 1972 vintage, it's probably not a very good one by
today's standards. If you have an idea about its voltage and current
ratings, e.g. 60VDC @ 6A, you can probably get away with replacing it with
anything with better specs. Early MOSFETS had a gate-source voltage rating
of approximately +/- 20 VDCmax, and they would usually turn completely "ON"
at +10VDC. Otherwise, MOSFETS are not really mysterious -- they're more or
less voltage controlled current sources. If the MOSFET in your circuit is
used as an open-loop, voltage controlled current source, you may have to
experiment with various gain-altering techniques.
Bill Willis willisw@coe-nw.clemson.edu
(803) 656-5550
|
5068 | From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni)
Subject: Re: Investment in Yehuda and Shomron
Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department
Lines: 22
In article <1483500346@igc.apc.org> cpr@igc.apc.org (Center for Policy Research) writes:
>Those who wish to learn something about the perversion of Judaism,
>should consult the masterly work by Yehoshua Harkabi, who was many
>years the head of Israeli Intelligence and an opponent of the PLO. His
Your suggestion to learn something about "the perversion of Judaism"
from someone you claim has experience in Israeli intelligence and the
PLO is like a suggestion to learn something about the conspiracy of
Sesame Street from someone with experience in fashion design and
pizza-making.
>latest book was published in English and includes a very detailed analysis
>of Judeo-Nazism.
"Judeo-Nazism"? CPR, you're in a league with Barf Shmidling himself.
You can take that as a compliment, if you see it that way.
--
Jake Livni jake@bony1.bony.com Ten years from now, George Bush will
American-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the
My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President.
|
5069 | From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)
Subject: Re: 74ACT???
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology
Lines: 86
In article <1qhrq9INNlri@crcnis1.unl.edu> mpaul@unl.edu (marxhausen paul) writes:
>OK, what's a quick rundown on all the 7400 series variations? We're
>repairing something with a 74ACT00 on it and the question arises, "well,
>do i really need the ACT part?" Flipping through Digi-Key I see
>ALS, AS, C, HC, AC, ACQ, ACT, HCT, ACHT, HCTLS...
Here's something I posted about this a few years ago. It's not fully
up to date with all the new variations (some of which are just different
manufacturer's synonyms):
------
In practical terms, ignoring the technological details, this is my view
of the families (NB I am not a giant corporation, which influences my
views on things like availability and backward compatibility):
74 The original. Speed good, power consumption fair. Effectively
obsolete now; use 74LS or later, except for a *very* few oddball
functions like 7407 which are hard to find in newer families.
74H Modification of 74 for higher speed, at the cost of higher
power consumption. Very obsolete; use 74F.
74L Modification of 74 for lower power, at the cost of lower speed.
Very obsolete; use CMOS.
74S Later modification of 74 for even higher speed, at some cost in
power consumption. Effectively obsolete; use 74F.
74LS Combination of 74L and 74S, for speed comparable to 74 with lower
power consumption. Best all-round TTL now, widest variety of
devices.
74F Fast as blazes, power not too bad. The clear choice for high
speed in TTL. Availability and prices generally good.
74AS Failed competitor to 74F, although a few 74AS parts do things
that are hard to find in 74F and thus are still useful.
74ALS Possible replacement for 74LS. Generally souped up. Still fairly
new, availability and prices possibly a problem.
74C Fairly old family, CMOS devices with TTL pinouts. Competed with
4000 series, not too successfully. Obsolete; use 4000 or newer
CMOS 74 families.
4000 (Thrown in as the major non-74 non-ECL logic family.) The old CMOS
family, still viable because of *very* wide range of devices, low
power consumption, and wide range of supply voltages. Not fast.
Very forgiving and easy to work with (beware static electricity,
but that comment applies to many other modern logic families too).
There are neat devices in this family that exist in no other. The
clear choice when speed is not important.
74HC A new attempt at 74-pinout CMOS. Fast compared to old CMOS, power
consumption often lower than TTL. Possibly a good choice for
general-purpose logic, assuming availability and affordability.
CMOS logic levels, *not* TTL ones. Beware very limited range of
supply voltages compared to older CMOS, also major rise of power
consumption at faster speeds.
74HCT 74HC with TTL logic levels. Much the same comments as 74HC. Read
the fine print on things like power consumption -- TTL compatibility
in CMOS involves some compromises.
10K (Thrown in for speed freaks.) The low end of ECL. Various sources
claim that it is *easier* to work with than super-fast TTL for
serious high-speed work. Less forgiving, though: read and follow
the rules or it won't work. Availability to hobbyists limited,
can be expensive.
100K (For real speed freaks.) Hot ECL. Harder to handle than 10K, and
inconvenient packages. Much more useful datasheets, however.
As for compatibility between families: the 74 families (except 74C and
74HC) are all more or less logic-level compatible, but how many 74X devices
you can drive from one 74Y output varies enormously with X and Y. You just
have to read the specs and do the arithmetic. 74C and 74HC are compatible
with the others with a bit of hassle. 4000 compatibility can be a bit of
hassle or a lot of hassle depending on what supply voltage 4000 is using.
10K or 100K to anything else is considerable hassle.
Me? I use 4000 and 74LS with a sprinkling of 74F. 74HC[T] and 10K are
interesting but I haven't used either significantly yet.
--
All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology
- Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry
|
5070 | From: august1@server.uwindsor.ca (AUGUSTYN ROBERT )
Subject: Data path width from 16 to 32 bits but speed less then double?
Organization: University of Windsor, Ontario, Canada
Lines: 5
In evolution of 80-x86 data path width has been doubled from
8 to 16 t0 32 bits but the speed of data processing has not increased at
same rate.The question is Why? What is relationship bettween data path width and data processing speed?
Thanks in advance for the input.
Robert.
|
5071 | From: baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Subject: Galileo Update - 04/15/93
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Lines: 113
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov
Keywords: Galileo, JPL
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41
Forwarded from Neal Ausman, Galileo Mission Director
GALILEO
MISSION DIRECTOR STATUS REPORT
POST-LAUNCH
April 9 - 15, 1993
SPACECRAFT
1. On April 9, real-time commands were sent, as planned, to reacquire
celestial reference after completion of the Low Gain Antenna (LGA-2)
swing/Dual Drive Actuator (DDA) hammer activities.
2. On April 9, the EJ-1 (Earth-Jupiter #1) sequence memory load was uplinked
to the spacecraft without incident. This sequence covers spacecraft activity
from April 12, 1993 to June 14, 1993 and includes a window for the Radio Relay
Antenna (RRA) slew test on April 28, 1993. The command loss timer was set to
11 days as a part of this sequence memory load.
3. On April 12 and 15, a NO-OP command was sent to reset the command loss
timer to 264 hours, its planned value during this mission phase.
4. On April 12, cruise science Memory Readouts (MROs) were performed for the
Extreme Ultraviolet Spectrometer (EUV), Dust Detector (DDS), and Magnetometer
(MAG) instruments. Preliminary analysis indicates the data was received
properly.
5. On April 12, an Ultra-Stable Oscillator (USO) test was performed to verify
the health status of the USO and to collect gravitational red shift experiment
data; long term trend analysis is continuing.
6. On April 14, a 40bps modulation index test was performed to determine the
optimal Signal-to-Noise Ratio (SNR) when transmitting at 40bps. Preliminary
analysis of the data suggests that the present pre-launch selected modulation
index is near the optimal level.
7. On April 15, cruise science Memory Readouts (MROs) were performed for the
Extreme Ultraviolet Spectrometer (EUV) and Magnetometer (MAG) instrument.
Preliminary analysis indicates the data was received properly.
8. On April 15, a periodic RPM (Retro-Propulsion Module) 10-Newton thruster
flushing maintenance activity was performed; all 12 thrusters were flushed
during the activity. Thruster performance throughout the activity was nominal.
9. The AC/DC bus imbalance measurements have not exhibited significant
changes (greater than 25 DN) throughout this period. The AC measurement reads
19 DN (4.3 volts). The DC measurement reads 111 DN (12.9 volts). These
measurements are consistent with the model developed by the AC/DC special
anomaly team.
10. The Spacecraft status as of April 15, 1993, is as follows:
a) System Power Margin - 60 watts
b) Spin Configuration - Dual-Spin
c) Spin Rate/Sensor - 3.15rpm/Star Scanner
d) Spacecraft Attitude is approximately 18 degrees
off-sun (lagging) and 6 degrees off-earth (leading)
e) Downlink telemetry rate/antenna- 40bps(coded)/LGA-1
f) General Thermal Control - all temperatures within
acceptable range
g) RPM Tank Pressures - all within acceptable range
h) Orbiter Science- Instruments powered on are the PWS,
EUV, UVS, EPD, MAG, HIC, and DDS
i) Probe/RRH - powered off, temperatures within
acceptable range
j) CMD Loss Timer Setting - 264 hours
Time To Initiation - 260 hours
GDS (Ground Data Systems):
1. Galileo participated in a second DSN (Deep Space Network) acceptance test
for the DSN Telemetry Phase 3 Upgrade on April 13, 1993, using CTA-21
(Compatibility Test Area 21). The purpose of this test was to verify
the flow of Galileo telemetry data through the new Telemetry Group Controller
(TGC) and the Telemetry Channel Assembly (TCA). The TGC/TCA is the replacement
for the current Telemetry Processing Assembly (TPA). Seven different telemetry
rates were run for this test; all ran well on both the MTS (MCCC Telemetry
Subsystem) and the AMMOS MGDS V18.0 GIF with the exception of 10bps. The
10bps rate had some trouble staying in lock; it appears the TGC/TCA was
not metering the data correctly. Further comparisons between the MGDS and MTS
data from this test are being conducted. MVT (Mission Verification Test) of
the TGC/TCA system is expected to begin May 16, 1993.
TRAJECTORY
As of noon Thursday, April 15, 1993, the Galileo Spacecraft trajectory
status was as follows:
Distance from Earth 152,606,000 km (1.02 AU)
Distance from Sun 277,519,800 km (1.86 AU)
Heliocentric Speed 93,400 km per hour
Distance from Jupiter 543,973,900 km
Round Trip Light Time 17 minutes, 4 seconds
SPECIAL TOPIC
1. As of April 15, 1993, a total of 70184 real-time commands have been
transmitted to Galileo since Launch. Of these, 65076 were initiated in the
sequence design process and 5108 initiated in the real-time command process.
In the past week, 7 real time commands were transmitted: 6 were initiated in
the sequence design process and one initiated in the real time command process.
Major command activities included commands to reacquire celestial reference,
uplink the EJ-1 sequence memory load, and reset the command loss timer.
___ _____ ___
/_ /| /____/ \ /_ /| Ron Baalke | baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov
| | | | __ \ /| | | | Jet Propulsion Lab |
___| | | | |__) |/ | | |__ M/S 525-3684 Telos | Being cynical never helps
/___| | | | ___/ | |/__ /| Pasadena, CA 91109 | to correct the situation
|_____|/ |_|/ |_____|/ | and causes more aggravation
| instead.
|
5072 | From: buzz@bear.com (Buzz Moschetti)
Subject: Re: XCopyPlane Question
<BUZZ.93Apr19101538@lion.bear.com> <WHALEY.93Apr19171228@sigma.kpc.com>
Reply-To: buzz@bear.com (Buzz Moschetti)
Organization: Bear, Stearns & Co. - FAST
Lines: 10
In-reply-to: whaley@sigma.kpc.com's message of 20 Apr 93 01:12:28 GMT
In article <WHALEY.93Apr19171228@sigma.kpc.com> whaley@sigma.kpc.com (Ken Whaley) writes:
> As per your question: why not have the button handler add the object, and
> then call the "window_redraw()" (or whatever) directly? Although, depending
This design will work but I don't think it can take easily take advantage
of expose event redraw optimization; that is, the whole window will be
redrawn, not just the area with the new item.
P.S. I'm replying here because my/your mailer didn't agree with the
return address whaley@sigma.kpc.com.
|
5073 | Subject: canadian silver dollar-stanley cup centennial
From: hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu (Valerie S. Hammerl)
Organization: UB
Nntp-Posting-Host: lictor.acsu.buffalo.edu
Lines: 19
Hi. According to my always questionable newspaper, there's a silver
dollar being minted in Canada, the back of which commemorates the
anniversary of the Stanley Cup. Now, I know full well what coins are
used every day in Canada. I can easily fish a few out of my pocket
change right now, in fact. My question is, since the loon is the only
dollar coin that I know is legal tender, is this just a commemorative
coin with no monetary exchange value, or what? Is it the sort of
thing that only hockey buffs and coin collectors might covet, with no
chance of it being circulated? If it is an uncirculated coin, what's
the current cost and what's its potential value? Just curious. If no
one knows, I'll take this to soc.culture.canada and rec.collecting (or
whatever it is). Thanks again
--
Valerie Hammerl "Some days I have to remind him he's not
hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu Mario Lemieux." Herb Brooks on Claude
acscvjh@ubms.cc.buffalo.edu Lemieux, top scorer for the Devils, but
v085pwwpz@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu known for taking dumb penalties.
|
5074 | From: guncer@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Selim Guncer )
Subject: Re: Islam & Dress Code for women
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe, AZ
Lines: 53
In article <16BA7103C3.I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de> I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) writes:
>In article <1993Apr5.091258.11830@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>
>darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) writes:
>
>>(2) Do women have souls in Islam?
>>
>>People have said here that some Muslims say that women do not have
>>souls. I must admit I have never heard of such a view being held by
>>Muslims of any era. I have heard of some Christians of some eras
>>holding this viewpoint, but not Muslims. Are you sure you might not be
>>confusing Christian history with Islamic history?
>>
>
>Yes, it is supposed to have been a predominant view in the Turkish
>Caliphate.
>
I am not aware of any "Turkish Caliphate" viewpoint on this. Can you
reference?
However, I found a quote due to Imam Ali, whom the Shias follow:
"Men, never obey your women in any way whatsoever. Never let them give their
advice on any matter whatsoever, even those of everyday life. Indeed, allow
them freely to give advice on anything and they will fritter away one's
wealth and disobey the wishes of the owner of this wealth.
We see them without religion, when, alone, they are left to their own
devices; they are lacking in both pity and virtue when their carnal
desires are at stake. It is easy to enjoy them, but they cause great
anxiety. The most virtious among them are libertines. But the most
corrupt are whores. Only those of them whom age has deprived of any
charm are untainted by vice. They have three qualities particular to
miscreants; they complain of being oppressed, whereas it is they
who oppress; they make oaths, whereas they are lying; they pretend
to refuse men's solicitations, whereas they desire them most ardently.
Let us beg the help of God to emerge victorious from their evil deeds.
And preserve us in any case from their good ones."
(Quote from Mas'ud al-Qanawi, ref. A. Bouhdiba, Sexuality in Islam,
p. 118).
I wouldn't consider this quote as being exemplary of the Islamic (TM)
viewpoint though. For all we know, the prophet's cousin and
the Fourth Khalif Hazret-i Ali may have said this after a frustrating
night with a woman.
Selim Guncer
--
Selim E. Guncer | Jaca negra, luna grande,
CSSER-ASU | y aceitunas en mi alforja.
(602)-965-4096 | Aunque sepa los caminos
guncer@enuxha.eas.asu.edu | yo nunca llegare a Cordoba.. (FGL)
|
5075 | Subject: Re: Is Morality Constant (was Re: Biblical Rape)
From: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
NNTP-Posting-Host: b64635.student.cwru.edu
Lines: 28
In article <C4w5pv.JxD@darkside.osrhe.uoknor.edu> bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner) writes:
>There are a couple of things about your post and others in this thread
>that are a little confusing. An atheist is one for whom all things can
>be understood as processes of nature - exclusively. There is no need
>for any recourse to Divnity to describe or explain anything. There is
>no purpose or direction for any event beyond those required by
>physics, chemistry, biology, etc.; everything is random, nothing is
>determnined.
This posts contains too many fallacies to respond too.
1) The abolishment of divinity requires the elimination of
freewill.
You have not shown this. You have not even attempted to. However,
the existance of an Omniscience being does eliminate freewill in mortals.*
* Posted over five months ago. No one has been able to refute it,
nor give any reasonable reasons against it.
--
"Satan and the Angels do not have freewill.
They do what god tells them to do. "
S.N. Mozumder (snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu)
|
5076 | From: jmilhoan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (JT)
Subject: HELP: Need modem info for Duo 210
Nntp-Posting-Host: magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University
Lines: 10
Hi... what alternatives to the Express modem do Duo owners have (if
they want to go at least 9600 baud)?
Every place in town says they are back ordered, and part of the reason
I want a laptop mac is so I can use it as a remote terminal from
wherever I am, but I really would hate to have to wait 2 months to get
a modem in or have to settle with 2400 baud.
Thank you,
|
5077 | From: s872505@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU (Stephen Bokor)
Subject: Re: A: DRIVE WON'T BOOT
Organization: Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology
Lines: 36
NNTP-Posting-Host: minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au
balog@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Eric J Balog) writes:
>Hi!
>I recently switched my 3.5" drive to A:. The problem is, while I can read and
>write to both the new A: and B: correctly, I can't boot from a floppy in A:.
>I've checked the CMOS settings; it is set for Floppy Seek at Boot and Boot
>Order A:,C:.
>Once, I had a floppy that did not have the systems files on it in A:. I got a
>message telling me to put a disk systems disk in the drive. It didn't work.
>When I do have a systems disk in the A: drive, this is what happens:
>1) Power-on and Memory Test;
>2) A: light comes on
>3) B: light comes on, followed by a short beep;
>4) HD light comes on for an instant;
>5) B: light comes on again, then nothing happens
>The light goes off, there is no disk activity of any kind, and the screen
>blanks. I can't even use ctrl-alt-del.
>Any suggestions.
Have you checked: 1/ The setting of drive A: to 1.44 M floppy.
2/ The setting of drive B: to 1.2 M foppy.
3/ The cable connecting the two drives to
the controller card (I can't remember which
two wires are swapped, but they determine
which is drive A: & b:).
I hope this is of some help :-)
Steve
s872505@minyos.xx.oz.au
|
5078 | From: b91926@fnclub.fnal.gov (David Sachs)
Subject: Re: Apple Tape backup 40SC under System 7.x
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory, Batavia IL
Lines: 15
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: fnclub.fnal.gov
Keywords: backup, tape,
In article <generous.734035090@nova>, generous@nova.sti.nasa.gov (Curtis Generous) writes:
|>
|> I need to get an Apple 40SC tape backup unit working under
|> Sys 7.0.x, but do not have any drivers/software to access
|> the device. Does anyone know where I can fidn the tools
|> to access this device?
|>
|> Appreciate any info/comments.
|>
|> --curtis
|> --
|> Curtis C. Generous generous@sti.nasa.gov (703) 685-1140
|> NASA STI, Code JTT, Washington, DC 20546
Retrospect (Dantz) works nicely with this combination. You can buy it from the mail order vendors.
|
5079 | From: Lars.Jorgensen@p7.syntax.bbs.bad.se (Lars Jorgensen)
Subject: Externel processes for 3D Studio
Reply-To: Lars.Jorgensen@p7.syntax.bbs.bad.se (Lars Jorgensen)
Distribution: world
Organization: Nr. 5 p} NatR}b
OD-Comment-To: Internet_Gateway
Lines: 13
To:All
Hi,
Does anybody have the source code to the externel processes that comes with 3D
Studio, and mabe som kind of DOC for writing the processes your self.
/Lars
+++ Author: Lars_Jorgensen@p7.syntax.bbs.bad.se, Syntax BBS, Denmark
--- GoldED 2.41
|
5080 | From: e2s@icf.hrb.com (Eric M. Sebastian)
Subject: Re: Thumbs up to ESPN
Organization: HRB Systems, Inc.
Lines: 12
In article <1993Apr20.032017.5783@wuecl.wustl.edu>, jca2@cec1.wustl.edu (Joseph Charles Achkar) writes:
>
> It was nice to see ESPN show game 1 between the Wings and Leafs since
> the Cubs and Astros got rained out. Instead of showing another baseball
> game, they decided on the Stanley Cup Playoffs. A classy move by ESPN.
>
It was good to see the Wings play, but lets not give ESPN too much credit.
There weren't any other late baseball games on so they didn't have another
option.
Eric Sebastian
Go Pens...
|
5081 | From: I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau)
Subject: Re: An Anecdote about Islam
Organization: Technical University Braunschweig, Germany
Lines: 76
In article <115687@bu.edu>
jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:
(deletion)
>Sure. Yes, I did. You see I don't think that rape and murder should
>be dealt with lightly. You, being so interested in leniency for
>leniency's sake, apparently think that people should simply be
>told the "did a _bad_ thing."
>
Straw man. And you brought up leniency.
>>And what about the simple chance of misjudgements?
>
>Misjudgments should be avoided as much as possible.
>I suspect that it's pretty unlikely that, given my requirement
>of repeated offenses, that misjudgments are very likely.
>
Assuming that misjudgements are not correlated.
(Deletion)
>>I just love to compare such lines to the common plea of your fellow believers
>>not to call each others names. In this case, to substantiate it: The Quran
>>allows that one beATs one's wife into submission.
>
>
>Really? Care to give chapter and verse? We could discuss it.
>
Has been discussed here. Chapter and verse were cited, I assume that you
weren't looking then.
Let's be more exact, do you think it is not in the Quran?. And what would
your consequences be when it it was shown to be in it?
>>Primitive Machism refers to
>>that. (I have misspelt that before, my fault).
>
>Again, not all of the Orient follows the Qur'an. So you'll have to do
>better than that.
>
I have not claimed that. It is sufficient for the argument when there are
a lot of male dominated societies that qualify as Machistic. Are you going
to say that the situation of women is better in sufficeint areas of the
Orient?
(Deletion)
>This is an argument for why _you_ don't like religions that suppress
>sex. A such it's an irrelevant argument.
>
>If you'd like to generalize it to an objective statement then
>fine. My response is then: you have given no reason for your statement
>that sex is not the business of religion (one of your "arguments").
>
>The urge for sex in adolescents is not so strong that any overly strong
>measures are required to suppress it. If the urge to have sex is so
>strong in an adult then that adult can make a commensurate effort to
>find a marriage partner.
>
You apparently have trouble reading things you don't like. The point was
having sex the way one wishes being a strong desire. Marriage is a red
herring. Tell me about homosexuals, for one. You simply ignore everything
that doesn't fit into the world as you would like to have it.
And as for the situation of adolescents, one has probably keep your
combination of leniency and maiming in mind, whe you say that it does
not take *overly* strong measures to suppress the urge for sex in
adolescents.
Benedikt
|
5082 | From: bsaffo01@cad.gmeds.com (Brian H. Safford)
Subject: IGES Viewer for DOS/Windows
Organization: EDS/Cadillac
Lines: 10
NNTP-Posting-Host: ccadmn1.cad.gmeds.com
Anybody know of an IGES Viewer for DOS/Windows? I need to be able to display
ComputerVision IGES files on a PC running Windows 3.1. Thanks in advance.
+-----------------------------------------------------------+
| Brian H. Safford EMAIL: bsaffo01@cad.gmeds.com |
| Electronic Data Systems PHONE: (313) 696-6302 |
+-----------------------------------------------------------+
| NOTE: The views and opinions expressed herein are mine, |
| and DO NOT reflect those of Electronic Data Systems Corp. |
+-----------------------------------------------------------+
|
5083 | From: garym@ie.utoronto.ca (Gary Murphy)
Subject: X on Amiga 4000?
Organization: University of Toronto, Department of Industrial Engineering
Lines: 12
I'm new to the hardware and with a mandate to port some X-based
stereo-video software --- does anyone know of or have experience with
X on Amiga machines? If I can retain the X event handling, it would
ease my plight considerably, and if I can keep all the Motif bits, so
much the better!
--
Gary Lawrence Murphy ---------------- garym@virtual.rose.utoronto.ca
University of Toronto, Industrial Eng Dept fax: (416) 971-1373
4 Taddle Creek Rd, Toronto, Ont M5S 1A4 voice: (416) 978-3776
The true destination is always just here, now ----------------------
|
5084 | From: bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner)
Subject: Re: islamic authority over women
Nntp-Posting-Host: okcforum.osrhe.edu
Organization: Okcforum Unix Users Group
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]
Lines: 30
SCOTT D. SAUYET (SSAUYET@eagle.wesleyan.edu) wrote:
: Regardless of people's hidden motivations, the stated reasons for many
: wars include religion. Of course you can always claim that the REAL
: reason was economics, politics, ethnic strife, or whatever. But the
: fact remains that the justification for many wars has been to conquer
: the heathens.
: If you want to say, for instance, that economics was the chief cause
: of the Crusades, you could certainly make that point. But someone
: could come along and demonstrate that it was REALLY something else, in
: the same manner you show that it was REALLY not religion. You could
: in this manner eliminate all possible causes for the Crusades.
:
Scott,
I don't have to make outrageous claims about religion's affecting and
effecting history, for the purpsoe of a.a, all I have to do point out
that many claims made here are wrong and do nothing to validate
atheism. At no time have I made any statement that religion was the
sole cause of anything, what I have done is point out that those who
do make that kind of claim are mistaken, usually deliberately.
To credit religion with the awesome power to dominate history is to
misunderstand human nature, the function of religion and of course,
history. I believe that those who distort history in this way know
exaclty what they're doing, and do it only for affect.
Bill
|
5085 | From: csc3phx@vaxa.hofstra.edu
Subject: Color problem.
Lines: 8
I am scanning in a color image and it looks fine on the screen. When I
converted it into PCX,BMP,GIF files so as to get it into MS Windows the colors
got much lighter. For example the yellows became white. Any ideas?
thanks
Dan
csc3phx@vaxc.hofstra.edu
|
5086 | From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni)
Subject: Re: was:Go Hezbollah!!
Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department
Lines: 21
In article <C5I7J7.F7A@eis.calstate.edu> mafifi@eis.calstate.edu (Marc A Afifi) writes:
>Diplomacy has not worked with Israel
Of course, it hasn't. Besides Egypt, the rest of the Arab world still
officially denies that Israel exists.
>and the
>Lebanese people are tired of being occupied! They are now turning to the
>only option they see as viable.
Kick out Syria?
>(Don't forget that it worked in driving out the US)
American-Occupied Lebanon? That's a new one on me!
--
Jake Livni jake@bony1.bony.com Ten years from now, George Bush will
American-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the
My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President.
|
5087 | From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Subject: Re: 3 AIDS Related Questions
Article-I.D.: pitt.19407
Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science
Lines: 29
In article <93087.011308PXF3@psuvm.psu.edu> PXF3@psuvm.psu.edu (Paula Ford) writes:
>A friend of mine was a regular volunteer blood donor. During surgery, he
>was given five units of blood, and after a suitable recovery time, he went
>to donate blood at a "bloodmobile." He was HIV+, and did not know it.
>
>The Red Cross notified him with a _registered letter_. That's all. No
>counselling, no nothing. He died two years ago, this week. He left behind
How long ago was this? When I said you'd get counselling, I meant if
you did it now. Long ago, practices varied and agencies had to gear
up to provide the counselling.
>a wife and a four-year-old son. Many people have suggested that his wife
>should sue the Red Cross, but she would not. She says that without the
>blood transfusions he would have died during the surgery.
>
Good for her. What we don't need is everyone suing community service
agencies that provide blood that people need. Testing is not fool proof.
The fact that he got AIDS from a transfusion (if he really did) does
not mean the Red Cross screwed up. Prior to 1983 or so, there wasn't
a good test and a lot of bad blood got through. This wasn't the fault
of the Red Cross. When did he get the transfusions?
--
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Gordon Banks N3JXP | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and
geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
5088 | From: wam3090@yak.COM (Bill Massena)
Subject: Function key to text string translation
Organization: Boeing Computer Services, Seattle
Lines: 17
I want to press a function key and have a text string appear in an
XmText widget. When I put
*XmText.Translations: #augment \n\
<Key>F1: insert-string(HELLO)
in my resource file, the translation doesn't happen. If I put
*XmText.Translations: <Key>F1: insert-string(HELLO)
in the file, I get the text string HELLO when F1 is pressed, but no other
keys work, which makes sense since the default translation mode is "replace".
Do I have a syntax problem here, or something deeper?
..Bill Massena (wam3090@yak.boeing.com)
|
5089 | Subject: WANGTEK Tape Controller Card Revision E - address & IRQ wanted
From: system@codewks.nacjack.gen.nz (Wayne McDougall)
Organization: The Code Works Limited, PO Box 10 155, Auckland, New Zealand
Lines: 26
I have a WANGTEK tape controller card (Revision E) that was used with the
Sytos backup system to take backups of a friend's system. That system has
crashed and I'm attempting to restore it.
Unfortunately, the documentation for this ancient card has been lost in the
mists of time, and I need to know the DMA, IRQ and address for this card.
Can anyone suggest how I could determine these things?
There is a bank of dip switches on the card which are set to:
---------------------
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
UPUPUP UPUPUP
UPUP UPUP
------OPEN----------
Thanks for your time.
--
This posting is definitive. bljeghbe'chugh vaj blHegh.
Wayne McDougall :: Keeper of the list of shows better than Star Trek(TM) ::
Ask me about the Auckland Festival of Missions, 18-25 April, 1993
I always change my mind when new evidence is available. What method do you use?
|
5090 | From: robertt@vcd.hp.com (Bob Taylor)
Subject: Re: AmiPro/Deskjet 500 Printing Problem
Article-I.D.: vcd.C52wt5.F2
Distribution: usa
Organization: Hewlett-Packard VCD
Lines: 32
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Tom Belmonte x4858 (tbelmont@feds55.prime.com) wrote:
:
: Hello,
:
: I recently tried to print some envelopes using AmiPro 3.0 with my
: Deskjet 500 printer, and I seem to be having a problem. What
: happens is after I physically load the envelope into the printer
: (per the user manual) and then select the "Print Envelope" icon
: from AmiPro (all of the proper options have been selected), the
: printer just "spits out" the envelope without any printing of
: either a return address or the selected mailing address. At
: this point, the printer's "ONLINE" light begins to flash, and
: the Print Manager shows the printer job as busy. This is all
: that happens, until I either shut the printer off or cancel the
: printing job from the Print Manager. I have also tried this
: without the use of the Print Manager, with similar results
: (AmiPro shows the printer as being busy). So, does anybody
: have any idea/solution regarding this problem? I appreciate
: the help. Thanks.
Yes - ignore the manual. Just insert the evelope - don't use the keypad
to move it up. The Windows driver sends a message to the printer that
tells it to load the envelope - if it is already loaded, it gets ejected
and the printer tries to load another. The instructions in the manual
are for dumb DOS apps. that don't send the "load envelople" message.
:
: -- Tom Belmonte
Bob Taylor
HP Vancouver
|
5091 | From: mz@moscom.com (Matthew Zenkar)
Subject: Re: CView answers
Organization: Moscom Corp., E. Rochester, NY
Lines: 19
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]
Ray Knight (rknight@stiatl.salestech.com) wrote:
:uk02183@nx10.mik.uky.edu (bryan k williams) writes:
:>re: majority of users not readding from floppy.
:>Well, how about those of us who have 1400-picture CD-ROMS and would like to use
:>CVIEW because it is fast and it works well, but can't because the moron lacked
:>the foresight to create the temp file in the program's path, not the current
:>didrectory?
: Actually the most flexible way to create temp files is to check for a TEMP or
: TMP environment variable and create the files on the drive and directory pointedto by the variable. This is pretty much a standard for DOS, Windows and OS/2
: applications.
Unfortunately, cview does not pay attention to the temp environment variable.
Matthew Zenkar
mz@moscom.com
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5092 | From: Eric.Choi@p5.f175.n2240.z1.fidonet.org (Eric Choi)
Subject: re: mac portable vs. powerbook 100 answers (?)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:2240/175.5 - Association Mac BBS, Grand Blanc MI
Lines: 8
Can the internal hard drive of the MacPortable upgraded to larger capacity? What is the specs? A 3-1/2" drive? LPS model?
Is there any third party modem greater than 2400 bps? With FAX option?
P.S. I notice the MacPortable batteries are avalable thru the Apple Catalog.
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5093 | From: francis@ircam.fr (Joseph Francis)
Subject: Re: Krillean Photography
Organization: Inst. de Recherche et Coordination Acoustique/Musique, Paris
Lines: 50
In article <1993Apr19.205615.1013@unlv.edu> todamhyp@charles.unlv.edu (Brian M. Huey) writes:
>I think that's the correct spelling..
Crullerian.
> I am looking for any information/supplies that will allow
>do-it-yourselfers to take Krillean Pictures. I'm thinking
>that education suppliers for schools might have a appartus for
>sale, but I don't know any of the companies. Any info is greatly
>appreciated.
Crullerian photography isn't educational, except in a purely satiric
sense.
> In case you don't know, Krillean Photography, to the best of my
>knowledge, involves taking pictures of an (most of the time) organic
>object between charged plates. The picture will show energy patterns
>or spikes around the object photographed, and depending on what type
>of object it is, the spikes or energy patterns will vary. One might
>extrapolate here and say that this proves that every object within
>the universe (as we know it) has its own energy signature.
Crullerian photography involves putting donuts between grease-covered
hot metal plates while illuminating them with a Krypton Stroboscope.
Through a unique iteration involving the 4th-dimensional projection of
a torus through the semi-stochastic interactions of hot monomolecular
lipid layers covering the metal plates (the best metal is iron since
it repels Vampires and Succubi) the donuts start developing flutes,
and within moments actually become poly-crenellated hot greasy
breadtubes. Some people believe that food is the way to a man's heart,
but most psychics agree that there is nothing like hot Crullers for
breakfast; the chemical composition of crullers is a mystery, some
thought evidence of Charles Fort's channeling in Stevie Wonder's
production of "The Secret Life of Plants" when played backwards in the
theatre of unnaturally fertile Findhorn Farms has deduced that they
are complex carbohydrates ordinarily only found by spectoscopy in the
Magellenic Clouds. I called Devi on my Orgone Box and asked her if
this was really the case, and she TM levitated me a letter across the
Atlantic to tell me it was indeed not just another case of
misunderstanding Tesla, though the Miskatonic University hasn't
confirmed anything at all. At least the Crullers taste good; I got the
recipe from Kaspar Hauser.
--
| Le Jojo: Fresh 'n' Clean, speaking out to the way you want to live
| today; American - All American; doing, a bit so, and even more so.
|
5094 | From: robert@cpuserver.acsc.com (Robert Grant)
Subject: Re: Virtual Reality for X on the CHEAP!
Organization: USCACSC, Los Angeles
Lines: 32
Distribution: world
Reply-To: robert@cpuserver.acsc.com (Robert Grant)
NNTP-Posting-Host: cpuserver.acsc.com
Hi Steve,
As the author of Multiverse, I feel I had better respond to your
mailnote questioning whether anyone had managed to compile this
software - the quick answer is yes! The long answer is yes - but a
few have had a few problems with their platforms - not all unix's are
the same, you know! As far as "many bugs" go, it would probably be more
useful to everyone (including you) if you were a bit more explicit! :-)
Platforms it has succesfully compiled and run on are: RS6000, Dec Ultrix
Sun Solaris so it is possible.
The main problem is that I don't have access to other platforms than the
RS6000, so if there are portability problems then the only way I hear
about them is by people letting me know and giving me a clue as to
how to fix it.
As far as the software not doing anything, do you really think I would
bother releasing it, if that was the case? Perhaps you didn't read the
few docs that ARE supplied. The dogfight world is made up of clients
only, so if you're in there on your own, then you're not going to see
anything! The dactyl world has quite a lot of scenary - so if you don't
see anything there, then this is definitely a problem!
One final word - if you're not interested, don't bother with it.
If you are interested, then please remember that I'm not asking for
any money! So why not try a little patience and constructive criticism,
maybe that will get results??
Robert.
robert@acsc.com
|
5095 | From: Thyagi@cup.portal.com (Thyagi Morgoth NagaSiva)
Subject: OTO, the Ancient Order of Oriental Templars
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world
<1993Apr14.130150.28931@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu>
Lines: 68
93!04.16 e.v. After the Glorious Eve of Taxation
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.
The word of Sin is Restriction.
"To all whom it may concern -
...
"It is known only to a few that there exists an external visible
organization of such men and women, who having themselves found
the path to real self-knowledge, and who, having travelled the
burning sands, are willing to give the benefit of their experience,
and to act as spiritual guides to those who are willing to be
guided.
"While numberless societies, associations, orders, groups etc.
have been founded during the last thirty years in all parts of
the civilised world, all following some line of occult study,
yet there is but ONE ancient organization of genuine Mystics
which shows the seeker after truth a Royal Road to discover
The Lost Mysteries of Antiquity, and to the Unveiling of the
One Hermetic Truth.
"This organization is known at the present time as the Ancient
Order of Oriental Templars. Ordo Templi Orientis. Otherwise:
The Hermetic Brotherhood of Light.
"It is a Modern School of Magic. And, like the ancient schools
of magic, it derived its knowledge from the East. This Knowledge
was never its possessors.[sic] It was recorded in symbol, parable
and allegory, requiring a Key for its interpretation....
"This key can be placed within the reach of all those who... apply
for membership to the Oriental Templars (O.T.O.).
"The O.T.O.... is a body of Initiates in whose hands are
concentrated the secret knowledge of all Oriental Orders and of all
existing Masonic Degrees....
"The O.T.O., although an Academia Masonica, is not a Masonic Body,
so far as the Craft degrees are concerned in the sense in which that
expression is usually understood in England, and therefore in no way
conflicts with or infringes the just priveleges of the United Lodge
of England. English Master Masons in good standing, by arrangement,
on affiliation, are admitted at reduced charges. Members of the IX
degree become part-proprietors of the Estates and Goods of the Order.
For further information see the publications of the O.T.O., and the
synopsis of the degrees of the O.T.O."
'Constitution of the Ancient Order of Oriental Templars,
Ordo Templi Orientis',
by Frater Superior Merlin Peregrinus X Degree,
Past Grand Master Albert Karl Theodor Reuss
Taken from _Equinox III: 10_,
Edited by Frater Superior Rex Summus Sanctissimus,
United States Caliph of Ordo Templi Orientis
Invoke me under my stars. Love is the law, love under will.
I am I!
Frater (I) Nigris (DCLXVI) (CCCXXXIII)
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5096 | From: rps@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (raj.sharma)
Subject: Re: Bhagavad-Gita 2.32
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Lines: 25
A poster writes:
> In the Kingdom of God (Vaikuntha) the tigers do not eat other living
> beings. In the material world, everyone is trying to consume everyone
> else. Therefore we all (even tigers, who are by no means invincible)
> should try to get out of the miserable material situation and return to
> the Kingdom of God.
Is the so-called material world "outside" the Kingdom of God?
> Right. But, unfortunately, acting like animals is the number one pastime
> of modern human beings.
Aha, animals are inferior, and humans are superior.
Huh?
[Isn't the desire to be superior so "overwhelming?"]
[that humans constantly "put down" even innocent animals.]
---raj
[P.S. - Request: please e-mail a copy of any response to
raj, as he does not read trm regularly.]
|
5097 | From: rvenkate@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Ravikuma Venkateswar)
Subject: Re: x86 ~= 680x0 ?? (How do they compare?)
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Lines: 40
dhk@ubbpc.uucp (Dave Kitabjian) writes:
>I'm sure Intel and Motorola are competing neck-and-neck for
>crunch-power, but for a given clock speed, how do we rank the
>following (from 1st to 6th):
> 486 68040
> 386 68030
> 286 68020
Not a good idea to compare processor power. Doesn't make sense for real
world applications. At least not for totally different lines of processors.
>While you're at it, where will the following fit into the list:
> 68060
> Pentium
> PowerPC
>And about clock speed: Does doubling the clock speed double the
>overall processor speed? And fill in the __'s below:
> 68030 @ __ MHz = 68040 @ __ MHz
At least for x86 systems doubling the clock speed increases performance
by about 70% .
>Thanks very much. I'd appreciate hearing any further explanations
>from any experienced folks out there, too!
>
>P.S. Folks have been having trouble replying to me lately with the "reply"
> command. Try typing my address by hand and it should work. Thanks!
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>DAVE KITABJIAN (kit-ahb'-jyin) Vital Statistics:
stuff deleted
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--
Ravikumar Venkateswar
rvenkate@uiuc.edu
A pun is a no' blessed form of whit.
|
5098 | From: dmn@kepler.unh.edu (There's a seeker born every minute.)
Subject: -= Hell =-
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
Lines: 98
atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Cardinal Ximenez) wrote:
> Here's how I talk to non-Christians who are complaining about Hell.
>ME: "Do you believe you're going to Heaven?"
>HIM: "I don't believe in Heaven."
>ME: "So are you going there?"
>HIM: "If there was a heaven, I would."
>ME: "But since there isn't a Heaven, you're not going there, are you?"
>HIM: "No."
> The point is that Heaven is based on faith--if you don't believe in heaven,
>there's no way you're going to be in it.
Hmmm... people in the americas before the time of Christ, children who
die young, etc. ?
> Of course, the next step is, "I don't believe in Hell either, so why will I
>be there?" It seems to me that Hell is eternal death and seperation from God.
But of course, the popular conception of hell (correct or incorrect) is
something akin to eternal perpetuation of consciousness, at the very least.
>Most atheists do believe that when they die they will die forever, and never
>see God--so they do, in fact, believe that they're going to Hell.
I think a good number of atheists believe there is nothing beyond
bodily death, but it is simply an abuse of language to say they believe
they're going to hell. They believe they're going to _die_. Understand
that you've turned Hell into a verb. Using the same logic, it also follows
that all animals are 'going to Hell.' Are you sure this is what you want
to say? (presumably animals don't have the opportunity to get to heaven,
but this still doesn't change the fact that they're going to Hell (die
a final death))
I don't claim to know whether or not there is an afterlife of _some_
sort, but if Hell is as you described (final death, and
not eternal perpetuation of consciousness) it will be true that
there will never be a moment when I am aware of my non-existence.
(assuming I 'go to Hell' and not to Heaven) In other words, I'll
never know I'm dead. Hmmm...
> Hell doesn't have to be worse than earth to be Hell--because it's eternal,
Ever hear people say of a loved one who was ill, and has died:
"At least she's not suffering any more; She's in Heaven now." ?
Consider the following statement:
"At least she's not suffering any more; She's in Hell now."
The above statement sounds odd, but according to your definition of Hell,
it would be a true statement. The person in Hell would not be suffering.
Granted, they wouldn't be *anything* (wouldn't be having any
conscious experience whatsoever).
You say Hell (death) is eternal. However, this loses its meaning
to a dead person. And to me, it seems that the threat of some sort
of eternal punishment only makes sense/has force if one expects to
be conscious throughout this eternity.
Many atheists believe that the thirst for an afterlife is simply the
product of propaganda ("Friend, do you want the FREE gift of e-ternal life?"
It's my understanding that the early jews did not believe in an afterlife.
Can anyone back me up on this?) combined with the survival instinct all
animals share. The difference is we have consciousness, and once we get the
idea of eternal life drilled into our brains, we then desire a sort of
super-survival.
>and it's a lot worse than Heaven. That's the only comparison that matters.
That would depend on what Heaven is like. If God is a King, and
an eternity in heaven consists of giving thanks and praise to the King,
I might opt for Hell. I read a lovely account of a missionary trying to
convert Eskimos to Christianity in the book _The Illusion of Immortality_
by Corliss Lamont. The missionary started to speak about Heaven.
"Are there seals in heaven? Will we be able to go hunting?" asked an
Eskimo. The missionary said no. The group of Eskimos then said something
to the effect of, "Well what good is your Heaven if there's no hunting?
Scram." I highly recommend the above book (IOI) to anyone who wants an
account of the other side of the immortality coin (that there is no
immortality).
>Alan Terlep "Incestuous vituperousness"
>Oakland University, Rochester, MI
>atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu --Melissa Eggertsen
>Rushing in where angels fear to tread.
Pax,
Dana
|
5099 | From: news@cbnewsk.att.com
Subject: Re: What WAS the immaculate conception
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs
Lines: 30
In article <May.3.05.01.26.1993.9898@athos.rutgers.edu> todd@nickel.laurentian.ca writes:
>{:> Your roommate is correct. The Immaculate Conception refers to
>{:> the conception of Mary in Her mother's womb.
>
>Okay, now that we've defined the Immaculate Conception Doctrine would it
>be possible for those more knowledgeable in the area to give the biblically
>or other support for it. I've attempted to come to terms with it previously
>(in an attempt to understand it for learning purposes) and haven't been able
>to grasp the reasoning.
>
It was a gift from God. I think basically the reasoning was that the
tradition in the Church held that Mary was also without sin as was Jesus.
As the tenets of faith developed, particularly with Augustine, sin was
more and more equated with sex, and thus Mary was assumed to be a virgin
for life (since she never sinned, and since she was the spouse of God, etc.)
Since we also had this notion of original sin, ie. that man is born with
a predisposition to sin, and since Mary did not have this predisposition
because she did not ever sin, she didn't have original sin. When science
discovered the process of conception, the next step was to assume that
Mary was conceived without original sin, the Immaculate Conception.
Mary at that time appeared to a girl named Bernadette at Lourdes. She
refered to herself as the Immaculate Conception. Since a nine year old
would have no way of knowing about the doctrine, the apparition was deemed
to be true and it sealed the case for the doctrine.
RCs hold that all revelation comes from two equally important sources, that
being Sacred Scripture and Holy Tradition. In this case, mostly tradition.
Joe Moore
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