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From: ed@cwis.unomaha.edu (Ed Stastny)
Subject: The OTIS Project (FTP sites for original art and images)
Keywords: Mr.Owl, how many licks...
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
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+ ............The OTIS Project '93 +
+ "The Operative Term Is STIMULATE" +
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---this file last updated..4-21-93---
WHAT IS OTIS?
OTIS is here for the purpose of distributing original artwork
and photographs over the network for public perusal, scrutiny,
and distribution. Digital immortality.
The basic idea behind "digital immortality" is that computer networks
are here to stay and that anything interesting you deposit on them
will be around near-forever. The GIFs and JPGs of today will be the
artifacts of a digital future. Perhaps they'll be put in different
formats, perhaps only surviving on backup tapes....but they'll be
there...and someone will dig them up.
If that doesn't interest you... OTIS also offers a forum for critique
and exhibition of your works....a virtual art gallery that never closes
and exists in an information dimension where your submissions will hang
as wallpaper on thousands of glowing monitors. Suddenly, life is
breathed into your work...and by merit of it's stimulus, it will
travel the globe on pulses of light and electrons.
Spectators are welcome also, feel free to browse the gallery and
let the artists know what you think of their efforts. Keep your own
copies of the images to look at when you've got the gumption...
that's what they're here for.
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WHERE?
OTIS currently (as of 4/21/93) has two FTP sites.
141.214.4.135 (projects/otis), the UWI site
sunsite.unc.edu (/pub/multimedia/pictures/OTIS), the SUNsite
(you can also GOPHER to this site for OTIS as well)
Merely "anonymous FTP" to either site on Internet and change to the
appropriate directory. Don't forget to get busy and use the "bin"
command to make sure you're in binary.
OTIS has also been spreading to some dial-up BBS systems around North
America....the following systems have a substancial supply of
OTIStuff...
Underground Cafe (Omaha) (402.339.0179) 2 lines
CyberDen (SanFran?) (415.472.5527) Usenet Waffle-iron
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HOW DO YOU CONTRIBUTE?
What happens is...you draw a pretty picture or take a lovely
photo, get it scanned into an image file, then either FTP-put
it in the CONTRIB/Incoming directory or use UUENCODE to send it to me
(email addresses at eof) in email. After the image is received,
it will be put into the correct directory. Computer originated works
are also welcome.
OTIS' directories house two types of image files, GIF and JPG.
GIF and JPG files require, oddly enough, a GIF or JPG viewer to
see. These viewers are available for all types of computers at
most large FTP sites around Internet. JPG viewers are a bit
tougher to find. If you can't find one, but do have a GIF viewer,
you can obtain a JPG-to-GIF conversion program which will change
JPG files to a standard GIF format.
OTIS also accepts animation files.
When you submit image files, please send me email at the same time
stating information about what you uploaded and whether it is to be
used (in publications or other projects) or if it is merely for people
to view. Also, include some biographical information on yourself, we'll
be having info-files on each contributing artist and their works. You
can also just upload a text-file of info about yourself (instead of
emailing).
If you have pictures, but no scanner, there is hope. Merely send
copies to:
The OTIS Project
c/o Ed Stastny
PO BX 241113
Omaha, NE 68124-1113
I will either scan them myself or get them to someone who will
scan them. Include an ample SASE if you want your stuff back.
Also include information on each image, preferably a 1-3 line
description of the image that we can include in the infofile in the
directory where it's finally put. If you have preferences as to what
the images are to be named, include those as well.
Conversely, if you have a scanner and would like to help out, please
contact me and we'll arrange things.
If you want to submit your works by disk, peachy. Merely send a 3.5"
disk to the above address (Omaha) and a SASE if you want your disk back.
This is good for people who don't have direct access to encoders or FTP,
but do have access to a scanner. We accept disks in either Mac or IBM
compatible format. If possible, please submit image files as GIF or
JPG. If you can't...we can convert from most formats...we'd just rather
not have to.
At senders request, we can also fill disks with as much OTIS as they
can stand. Even if you don't have stuff to contribute, you can send
a blank disk and an SASE (or $2.50 for disk, postage and packing) to
get a slab-o-OTIS.
As of 04/21/93, we're at about 18 megabytes of files, and growing.
Email me for current archive size and directory.
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DISTRIBUTION?
The images distributed by the OTIS project may be distributed freely
on the condition that the original filename is kept and that it is
not altered in any way (save to convert from one image format to
another). In fact, we encourage files to be distributed to local
bulletin boards and such. If you could, please transport the
appropriate text files along with the images.
It would also be nice if you'd send me a note when you did post images
from OTIS to your local bbs. I just want to keep track of them so
participants can have some idea how widespread their stuff is.
It's the purpose of OTIS to get these images spread out as much as
possible. If you have the time, please upload a few to your favorite
BBS system....or even just post this "info-file" there. It would be
keen of you.
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USE?
If you want to use any of the works you find on the OTIS directory,
you'll have to check to see if permission has been granted and the
stipulations of the permission (such as free copy of publication, or
full address credit). You will either find this in the ".rm" file for
the image or series of images...or in the "Artists" directory under the
Artists name. If permission isn't explicitly given, then you'll have
to contact the artist to ask for it. If no info is available, email
me (ed@cwis.unomaha.edu), and I'll get in contact with the artist for
you, or give you their contact information.
When you DO use permitted work, it's always courteous to let the artist
know about it, perhaps even send them a free copy or some such
compensation for their files.
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NAMING IMAGES?
Please keep the names of your files in "dos" format. That means, keep
the filename (before .jpg or .gif) to eight characters or less. The way
I usually do it is to use the initials of the artist, plus a three or
four digit "code" for the series of images, plus the series number.
Thus, Leonardo DeVinci's fifth mechanical drawing would be something
like:
ldmek5.gif OR ldmek5.jpg OR ldmech5.gif ETC
Keeping the names under 8 characters assures that the filename will
remain intact on all systems.
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CREATING IMAGE FILES?
When creating image files, be sure to at least include your name
somewhere on or below the picture. This gives people a reference in
case they'd like to contact you. You may also want to include a title,
address or other information you'd like people to know.
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HMMM?!
That's about it for now. More "guidelines" will be added as needed.
Your input is expected.
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DISCLAIMER: The OTIS Project has no connection to the Church of OTIS
(a sumerian deity) or it's followers, be they pope, priest,
or ezine administrator. We do take sacrifices and donations
however.
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DISCLAIMER: The OTIS Project is here for the distribution of original
image files. The files will go to the public at large.
It's possible, as with any form of mass-media, that someone
could unscrupulously use your images for financial gain.
Unless you've given permission for that, it's illegal. OTIS
takes no responsibility for this. In simple terms, all rights
revert to the author/artist. To leave an image on OTIS is to
give permission for it to be viewed, copied and distributed
electronically. If you don't want your images distributed
all-over, don't upload them. To leave an image on OTIS is
NOT giving permission to have it used in any publication or
broadcast that incurs profit (this includes, but is not
limited to, magazines, newsletters, clip-art software,
screen-printed clothing, etc). You must give specific
permission for this sort of usage.
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Remember, the operative term is "stimulate". If you know of people
that'd be interested in this sort of thing...get them involved...kick'm
in the booty....offer them free food...whatever...
....e (ed@cwis.unomaha.edu)
(ed@sunsite.unc.edu)
--
Ed Stastny | OTIS Project, END PROCESS, SOUND News and Arts
PO BX 241113 | FTP: sunsite.unc.edu (/pub/multimedia/pictures/OTIS)
Omaha, NE 68124-1113 | 141.214.4.135 (projects/otis)
---------------------- EMail: ed@cwis.unomaha.edu, ed@sunsite.unc.edu
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From: n8643084@henson.cc.wwu.edu (owings matthew)
Subject: Re: Riceburner Respect
Article-I.D.: henson.1993Apr15.200429.21424
Organization: Western Washington University
The 250 ninja and XL 250 got ridden all winter long. I always wave. I
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am amazed at the number of Harley riders who ARE waving even to a lowly
baby ninja. Let's keep up the good attitudes. Brock Yates said in this
months Car and Driver he is ready for a war (against those who would rather
we all rode busses). We bikers should be too.
It's a freedom that we all wanna know
and it's an obsession to some
to keep the world in your rearview mirror
while you try to run down the sun
"Wheels" by Rhestless Heart
Marty O.
87 250 ninja
73 XL 250 Motosport
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From: wcs@anchor.ho.att.com (Bill Stewart +1-908-949-0705)
Subject: Re: THE CLIPPER CHIP: A TECHNICAL SUMMARY
Organization: Brought to you by the numbers 2, 3, and 7
In-Reply-To: denning@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu's message of 19 Apr 93 18:23:27 -0400
Nntp-Posting-Host: rainier.ho.att.com
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In article <1993Apr19.182327.3420@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu> denning@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu writes:
[Prof. Denning's description of SkipJack mostly omitted]
CHIP STRUCTURE
The Clipper Chip contains a classified 64-bit block encryption
algorithm called "Skipjack." The algorithm uses 80 bit keys (compared
with 56 for the DES) and has 32 rounds of scrambling (compared with 16
for the DES). It supports all 4 DES modes of operation. Throughput is
16 Mbits a second. [...]
F, an 80-bit family key that is common to all chips
N, a 30-bit serial number
U, an 80-bit secret key that unlocks all messages encrypted
with the chip
The key K and message stream M (i.e., digitized voice) are then
fed into the Clipper Chip to produce two values:
E[M; K], the encrypted message stream, and
E[E[K; U] + N; F], a law enforcement block.
Three questions:
1) It looks like each 64 bits of input gives you 4*64 bits of output:
E[M;K] = 64 bits
E[K;U] = E[ 80 bits ] = 128 bits
E[ E[K;U], N ; F ] = E[ 128 + 30 bits ] = 192 bits
Do you really need to transmit all 256 bits each time,
or do you only transmit the 192 bits of wiretap block at the beginning?
All 256 would be really obnoxious for bandwidth-limited applications
like cellular phones (or even regular phones over
2) how do the 4 DES modes interact with the two-part output?
Do the various feedback modes only apply to the message block,
or also to the wiretap block? Or, if the wiretap block is only
transmitted at the beginning, does it get incorporated into
everything through feedback modes, but not during ECB mode?
3) Does the Clipper Chip check the wiretap block itself?
Does the block have to be present at all?
Since the receiving chip doesn't know the transmitter's U,
it presumably can't check the validity of E[K;U], so it's
limited to checking the *form* of the wiretap block,
and maybe checking the serial number for reasonableness
(unless there's some sort of back-door structure that lets
it recognize a valid E[K;U].)
In that case, can you replace the wiretap block with a DIFFERENT
wiretap block, presumably an old valid one to avoid attracting attention?
(The chip won't do it, so you postprocess the output.)
Regular people can do one with their own serial number and a dummy key;
paranoid people can use someone else's serial number.
On the other hand, if I could think of that solution so easily,
presumably the NSA could too - have they done something to block it,
like use message encryption that's really E[M; K,U,N] ?
Thanks!
--
# Pray for peace; Bill
# Bill Stewart 1-908-949-0705 wcs@anchor.att.com AT&T Bell Labs 4M312 Holmdel NJ
# No, I'm *from* New Jersey, I only *work* in cyberspace....
# White House Commect Line 1-202-456-1111 fax 1-202-456-2461
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From: sdr@llnl.gov (Dakota)
Subject: Re: HELP for Kidney Stones ..............
Organization: Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, NCD
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NNTP-Posting-Host: eet1477-10780-t1477r1104.llnl.gov
In article <1993Apr21.143910.5826@wvnvms.wvnet.edu>
pk115050@wvnvms.wvnet.edu writes:
> My girlfriend is in pain from kidney stones. She says that because she
has no
> medical insurance, she cannot get them removed.
>
> My question: Is there any way she can treat them herself, or at least
mitigate
> their effects? Any help is deeply appreciated. (Advice, referral to
literature,
> etc...)
>
> Thank you,
>
> Dave Carvell
> pk115050@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
First, let me offer you my condolences. I've had kidney stones 4 times
and I know the pain she is going through. First, it is best that she see
a doctor. However, every time I had kidney stones, I saw my doctor and the
only thing they did was to prescribe some pain killers and medication for a
urinary tract infection. The pain killers did nothing for me...kidney stones
are extremely painful. My stones were judged passable, so we just waited it
out. However the last one took 10 days to pass...not fun. Anyway, if she
absolutely won't see a doctor, I suggest drinking lots of fluids and perhaps
an over the counter sleeping pill. But, I do highly suggest seeing a doctor.
Kidney stones are not something to fool around with. She should be x-rayed
to make sure there is not a serious problem.
Steve
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From: arp0150@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (PIEMAN)
Subject: MacPlus Home brew Acceler question??
Nntp-Posting-Host: vaxb.isc.rit.edu
Reply-To: arp0150@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
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ha... all this talk about changing the clock speed of the q700 makes me ask??
if i replaced the 8mhz 68000 in my plus with a 16mhz 68000 with a 16mhz
clock occilater of its own( not shared by the rest of the mac... just the new
16mhz68000) would my mac work..... and if it would work.. would you think there
where be any problems with sound, vidio,scsi........
it seems like a simple solution to keepa dead slow mechine a
live a little longer..
Oh if this would not work any idears on how to make it work???
thanks
alex
ARP0150@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
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From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer)
Subject: Re: Professors Whining About Pay
Distribution: usa
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA
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In article <1qf2kqINNrkd@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>, fogarty@sir-c.jpl.nasa.gov (Tim Fogarty) writes:
> In article <15320@optilink.COM>, cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes:
> |>In article <1q4k3bINNe6k@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>, fogarty@sir-c.jpl.nasa.gov (Tim Fogarty) writes:
> |>> In article <15307@optilink.COM>, cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes:
# |## |#2. Professors get summers off; industry employees don't.
# |##
# |## What professor gets the summer off ? The primary purpose of a professor
# |## at a university is to publish. Teaching is secondary. The summer
# |## is when professors are able to do the research required for their
# |## papers.
# |#
# |#I'm told by my advisor that only at some universities is publishing
# |#the primary emphasis; many professors in the Cal State University
# |#system don't publish at all. Those that prefer teaching are under
# |#no pressure to publish.
# |#
#
# When discussing and issue, it helps that all participants use the same
# definitions, although this rarely occurs on Usenet.
#
# When I use the term "university", I think of an organization that has
# a Bachelors, Masters, and PhD program. I believe that Cal State schools
# do not. I call them colleges. UC schools are universities. At a univeristy
# the number one goal is to publish.
Cal State University system offers bachlors and masters degrees. The
Ph.D. is not offered, because of opposition from UC.
# At the Cal State schools, do the professors you speak of have PhDs? At
Nearly all the professors have PhDs. I haven't had a professor who didn't,
though my wife has had a couple of professors with just an M.A. A friend
had an instructor who didn't have a degree at all, but because he had
been Minister of Culture for the Black Panthers, he was teaching anyway.
He had a bad habit of usually not showing up to teach the class, and
finally quit in disgust at the racism of a university that expected him
to show up to teach.
# a university you have professors with PhDs and then Teaching Assistants (TAs).
# TAs were the slave labor, graduate students who got their tuition paid, and
# a few hundred a month for living expenses in exchange for doing all the grunt
# work. The professors taught the lectures, with 100 to 500 students per class,
# then the TAs taught the labs, with 20 to 30 per class.
#
# Tim Fogarty (FOGARTY@SIR-C.JPL.NASA.GOV)
At Sonoma State University, typical class size is 20 to 30 per class.
Teaching is definitely more the goal, and sometimes, it actually happens.
The best professors at Sonoma State U. are equivalent to the best
professors I had at UCLA and USC.
--
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine!
Relations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all.
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From: dyoung@media.mit.edu (David Young)
Subject: Drawing Lines (inverse/xor)
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory
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I'm trying to write some code that lets me draw lines and do rubber-band
boxes in Motif/X. I'm running on an 8-bit display for which I've created a
colormap and am using almost all of the colors. I want to draw the lines
in a drawing area widget -- a widget in which I'm displaying a bitmap using
XPutImage(). If doesn't matter if the lines I draw interactively stay
around when the window is refreshed.
Currently, to draw interactively, I begin with:
/* drawIndex is an colortable index I reserve for the Foreground */
/* my_default_bg_color is the color index for the background of my image */
palette_colors[drawIndex].red = palette_colors[my_default_bg_color].red;
palette_colors[drawIndex].green = palette_colors[my_default_bg_color].green;
palette_colors[drawIndex].blue = palette_colors[my_default_bg_color].blue;
XStoreColors( myDisplay, my_cmap, &palette_colors[DrawIndex], 1);
XFlush( myDisplay);
XSetFunction( myDisplay, gc, GXxor);
XSetForeground( myDisplay, gc, drawIndex);
Then to draw I do:
XDrawLine( myDisplay, XtWindow( drawingArea1), gc, x1, y1, x2, y2);
XFlush( myDisplay);
And when I'm all done, to return things to normal I do:
XSetFunction( myDisplay, gc, GXcopy);
What I'd like to happen is for the lines I draw to be the inverse of
whatever I'm drawing over. Instead what happens is I get white lines. If
the lines are over a white background - nothing shows up. If the lines are
over a black area - nothing shows up! It's very strange. But the GXxor
function seems right - since if I do a rubber-banding box, it erases and
redraws itself correctly (ie. not disturbing the underlying image).
Any suggestions what I'm doing wrong?
david
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From: ejalbert@husc3.harvard.edu
Subject: Re: Monophysites and Mike Walker
Organization: Harvard University Science Center
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In article <May.6.00.34.58.1993.15426@geneva.rutgers.edu>, db7n+@andrew.cmu.edu (D. Andrew Byler) writes:
>> - Mike Walker
>>
>>[If you are using the standard formula of fully God and fully human,
>>that I'm not sure why you object to saying that Jesus was human. I
>>think the usual analysis would be that sin is not part of the basic
>>definition of humanity. It's a consequence of the fall. Jesus is
>>human, but not a fallen human. --clh]
>
I differ with our moderator on this. I thought the whole idea of God coming
down to earth to live as one of us "subject to sin and death" (as one of
the consecration prayers in the Book of Common Prayer (1979) puts it) was
that Jesus was tempted, but did not succumb. If sin is not part of the
basic definition of humanity, then Jesus "fully human" (Nicea) would not
be "subject to sin", but then the Resurrection loses some of its meaning,
because we encounter our humanity most powerfully when we sin. To distinguish
between "human" and "fallen human" makes Jesus less like one of us at the
time we need him most.
> [These issues get mighty subtle. When you see people saying different
> things it's often hard to tell whether they really mean seriously
> different things, or whether they are using different terminology. I
> don't think there's any question that there is a problem with
> Nestorius, and I would agree that the saying Christ had a human form
> without a real human nature or will is heretical. But I'd like to be
> a bit wary about the Copts, Armenians, etc. Recent discussions
> suggest that their monophysite position may not be as far from
> orthodoxy as many had thought. Nestorius was an extreme
> representative of one of the two major schools of thought. More
> moderate representatives were regarded as orthodox, e.g. Theodore of
> Mopsuestia. My impression is that the modern monophysite groups
> inherit the entire tradition, not just Nestorius' version, and that
> some of them may have a sufficient balanced position to be regarded as
> orthodox. --clh]
First, the Monophysites inherited none of Nestorius's version -- they
were on the opposite end of the spectrum from him. Second, the historical
record suggests that the positions attributed to Nestorius were not as
extreme as his (successful) opponents (who wrote the conventional history)
claimed. Mainly Nestorius opposed the term Theotokos for Mary, arguing
(I think correctly) that a human could not be called Mother of God. I mean,
in the Athanasian Creed we talk about the Son "uncreate" -- surely even
Arians would concede that Jesus existed long before Mary. Anyway, Nestorius's
opponents claimed that by saying Mary was not Theotokos, that he claimed
that she only gave birth to the human nature of Jesus, which would require
two seperate and distinct natures. The argument fails though, because
Mary simply gave birth to Jesus, who preexisted her either divinely,
if you accept "Nestorianism" as commonly defined, or both natures intertwined,
a la Chalcedon.
Second, I am not sure that "Nestorianism" is not a better alternative than
the orthodox view. After all, I find it hard to believe that pre-Incarnation
that Jesus's human nature was in heaven; likewise post-Ascension. I think
rather that God came to earth and took our nature upon him. It was a seperate
nature, capable of being tempted as in Gethsemane (since I believe the divine
nature could never be tempted) but in its moments of weakness the divine nature
prevailed.
Comments on the above warmly appreciated.
Jason Albert
[There may be differences in what we mean by "subject to sin". The
original complaint was from someone who didn't see how we could call
Jesus fully human, because he didn't sin. I completely agree that
Jesus was subject to temptation. I simply object to the idea that by
not succumbing, he is thereby not fully human. I believe that you do
not have to sin in order to be human.
I again apologize for confusing Nestorianism and monophysitism. I
agree with you, and have said elsewhere, that there's reason to think
that not everyone who is associated with heretical positions was in
fact heretical. There are scholars who maintain that Nestorius was
not Nestorian. I have to confess that the first time I read some of
the correspondence between Nestorius and his opponents, I thought he
got the better of them.
However, most scholars do believe that the work that eventually led to
Chalcedon was an advance, and that Nestorius was at the very least
"rash and dogmatic" (as the editor of "The Christological Controversy"
refers to him) in rejecting all approaches other than his own. As
regular Usenet readers know, narrowness can be just as much an
impediment as being wrong. Furthermore, he did say some things that I
think are problematical. He responds to a rather mild letter from
Cyril with a flame worthy of Usenet. In it he says "To attribute also
to [the Logos], in the name of [the incarnation] the characteristics
of the flesh that has been conjoined with him ... is, my brother,
either the work of a mind which truly errs in the fashion of the
Greeks or that of a mind diseased with the insane heresy of Arius and
Apollinaris and the others. Those who are thus carried away with the
idea of this association are bound, because of it, to make the divine
Logos have a part in being fed with milk and participate to some
degree in growh and stand in need of angelic assistance because of his
fearfulness ... These things are taken falsely when they are put off
on the deity and they become the occasion of just condemnation for us
who perpetrate the falsehood."
It's all well and good to maintain a proper distinction between
humanity and divinity. But the whole concept of incarnation is based
on exactly the idea that the divine Logos does in fact have "to some
degree" a part in being born, growing up, and dying. Of course it
must be understood that there's a certain indirectness in the Logos'
participation in these things. But there must be some sort of
identification between the divine and human, or we don't have an
incarnation at all. Nestorius seemed to think in black and white
terms, and missed the sorts of nuances one needs to deal with this
area.
You say "I find it hard to believe that pre-Incarnation that Jesus's
human nature was in heaven." I don't think that's required by
orthodox doctrine. It's the divine Logos that is eternal.
--clh]
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From: detroch@imec.be (Stefan De Troch)
Subject: virtual mwm ?
Nntp-Posting-Host: nemesis
Reply-To: detroch@imec.be
Organization: IMEC, Kapeldreef 75 3001 Leuven Belgium
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--
Hi netland,
I thought that I once read about the existance of a virtual mwm like vtwm.
On the usual ftp sites (gatakeeper.dec.com, export.lcs.mit.edu) I can't find
any trace of this program. Could anybody give me a hint where to find this
program or confirm/deny the existance of this program.
Regards,
Stefan
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From: weber@sipi.usc.edu (Allan G. Weber)
Subject: Need help with Mitsubishi P78U image printer
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: sipi.usc.edu
Our group recently bought a Mitsubishi P78U video printer and I could use some
help with it. We bought this thing because it (1) has a parallel data input in
addition to the usual video signal inputs and (2) claimed to print 256 gray
level images. However, the manual that came with it only describes how to
format the parallel data to print 1 and 4 bit/pixel images. After some initial
problems with the parallel interface I now have this thing running from a
parallel port of an Hewlett-Packard workstation and I can print 1 and 4
bit/pixel images just fine. I called the Mitsubishi people and asked about the
256 level claim and they said that was only available when used with the video
signal inputs. This was not mentioned in the sales literature. However they
did say the P78U can do 6 bit/pixel (64 level) images in parallel mode, but
they didn't have any information about how to program it to do so, and they
would call Japan, etc.
Frankly, I find it hard to believe that if this thing can do 8 bit/pixel images
from the video source, it can't store 8 bits/pixel in the memory. It's not
like memory is that expensive any more. If anybody has any information on
getting 6 bit/pixel (or even 8 bit/pixel) images out of this thing, I would
greatly appreciate your sending it to me.
Thanks.
Allan Weber
Signal & Image Processing Institute
University of Southern California
weber@sipi.usc.edu
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From: kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov (Scott Dorsey)
Subject: Re: Need to find out number to a phone line
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center and Reptile Farm
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In article <20756.2bd16dea@ecs.umass.edu> alee@ecs.umass.edu writes:
>
>Greetings!
>
> Situation: I have a phone jack mounted on a wall. I don't
> know the number of the line. And I don't want
> to call up the operator to place a trace on it.
>
> Question: Is there a certain device out there that I can
> use to find out the number to the line?
Call a friend long distance, collect. Ask to speak with yourself. When
the operator asks for you, you won't be there, so ask the operator to leave
your number. She'll read it out in the clear.
--scott
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From: markus@octavia.anu.edu.au (Markus Buchhorn)
Subject: HDF readers/viewers
Organization: Australian National University, Canberra
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Distribution: world
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Originator: markus@octavia
G'day all,
Can anybody point me at a utility which will read/convert/crop/whatnot/
display HDF image files ? I've had a look at the HDF stuff under NCSA
and it must take an award for odd directory structure, strange storage
approaches and minimalist documentation :-)
Part of the problem is that I want to look at large (5MB+) HDF files and
crop out a section. Ideally I would like a hdftoppm type of utility, from
which I can then use the PBMplus stuff quite merrily. I can convert the cropped
part into another format for viewing/animation.
Otherwise, can someone please explain how to set up the NCSA Visualisation S/W
for HDF (3.2.r5 or 3.3beta) and do the above cropping/etc. This is for
Suns with SunOS 4.1.2.
Any help GREATLY appreciated. Ta muchly !
Cheers,
Markus
--
Markus Buchhorn, Parallel Computing Research Facility
email = markus@octavia.anu.edu.au
Australian National University, Canberra, 0200 , Australia.
[International = +61 6, Australia = 06] [Phone = 2492930, Fax = 2490747]
--
Markus Buchhorn, Parallel Computing Research Facility
email = markus@octavia.anu.edu.au
Australian National University, Canberra, 0200 , Australia.
[International = +61 6, Australia = 06] [Phone = 2492930, Fax = 2490747]
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Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more.
From: a_rubin@dsg4.dse.beckman.com (Arthur Rubin)
Distribution: na
Organization: Beckman Instruments, Inc.
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In <strnlghtC5uIJ4.76t@netcom.com> strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes:
>In article <ELEE9SF.93Apr21095141@menudo.menudo.UH.EDU>
>elee9sf@menudo.menudo.UH.EDU (Karl Barrus) writes:
>>
>>Would you trust a black-box from the NSA versus an "open system" from
>>elsewhere?
>Absolutely, if I were assured by someone I trusted that the black box was
>more secure. I have nothing to conceal from the government, but I would like
>to be sure that any Russian, Japanese, French, or other competitors for my
>services can't read my traffic. I'd like to be sure that competitive bid
>information was safe from commercial competitors and foreign governments
>which would aid them.
>I believe the NSA has identical motivations with respect to my activities.
>The President and many other senior government officials have made it very
>clear that they share these motivations. Thus I'd trust them on the
>"coincidence of interests" argument as well as on a basic trust in their
>professionalism and a high confidence in their skills.
>David
>--
>David Sternlight Great care has been taken to ensure the accuracy of
> our information, errors and omissions excepted.
Nothing but errors and omissions here!
--
Arthur L. Rubin: a_rubin@dsg4.dse.beckman.com (work) Beckman Instruments/Brea
216-5888@mcimail.com 70707.453@compuserve.com arthur@pnet01.cts.com (personal)
My opinions are my own, and do not represent those of my employer.
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From: tomk@skywalker.bocaraton.ibm.com (Thomas Chun-Hong Kok)
Subject: Re: Hypercard for UNIX
Organization: IBM Austin
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In article <1993Apr23.114028.17633@bernina.ethz.ch>, queloz@bernina.ethz.ch (Ronald Queloz) writes:
> Hi netlanders,
>
> Does anybody know if there is something like Macintosh Hypercard for any UNIX
> platform?
>
>
> Thanks in advance
>
>
> Ron.
--
Try MetaCard - a HyperCard-like programming environment on X.
Chun Hong
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From: cobra@ravel.udel.edu (KING COBRA)
Subject: Re: NHLPA poll (partial stats/results)
Nntp-Posting-Host: ravel.udel.edu
Organization: University of Delaware
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In article <ofnmaO_00iV1A6kYd2@andrew.cmu.edu> Young-Soo Che <yc25+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>All these people who send in their polls should take a closer look at
>NJD, they are a very deep team, with two very capable goalies, and
>excellent forwards and defensemen. Shooter in Richer, an all around do
>it all in Todd, chef Stasny-master of a thousand dishes, power play
>captain-Stevens. Take a look at the numbers, or play with them and see
>for yourselves.
Yup. I agree with ya. I think Devils can beat Red Wings easily. SO I think
all those who send in their votes should try all these diffrent teams
before voting. I think Islanders and Quebec are much better then I had
expected.
COBRA
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** / / / /___/ /___/ /___/ ** Sex is not the answer, sex is the **
** /___ /___/ /___/ / \_ / / ** question. Yes is the answer. **
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** E-mail: cobra@chopin.udel.edu ** **
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From: aa888@freenet.carleton.ca (Mark Baker)
Subject: Re: The arrogance of Christians
Reply-To: aa888@freenet.carleton.ca (Mark Baker)
Organization: The National Capital Freenet
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In a previous article, mhsu@lonestar.utsa.edu (Melinda . Hsu) says:
>
>Well the argument usually stops right there. In the end,
>aren't we all just kids, groping for the truth? If so, do we have
>the authority to declare all other beliefs besides our own as
>false?
>
If I don't think my belief is right and everyone else's belief is wrong,
then I don't have a belief. This is simply what belief means. Where does
the authority for a belief come from? Nowhere, for a belief is itself
authoratative. If I produce authority for a belief, where will I find
authority for my belief in the legitimacy of the authority. In short,
the mind has to start somewhere. (By the way, the majority of Christians,
i.e. Catholics, believe in the authority of the Church, and derive the
authority of the Bible from its acceptance by the Church.)
--
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Mark Baker | "The task ... is not to cut down jungles, but
aa888@Freenet.carleton.ca | to irrigate deserts." -- C. S. Lewis
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From: MANDTBACKA@FINABO.ABO.FI (Mats Andtbacka)
Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is
Organization: Unorganized Usenet Postings UnInc.
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In-Reply-To: cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu's message of Fri, 16 Apr 1993 15:32:04 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24
In <C5L1tG.K5q@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu writes:
> If some society came up with a good reason for why rape and murder are ok I
> would be consistent with my position and hold that it was still wrong. My
> basis of morality is not on societal norms, or on current legalities. My
> basis is, surprise surprise, on both the Bible and on inherent moral
> abhorrences,
AH! But what, exactly, is "inherently abhorrent" and WHY is it so?
What you're saying is, in effect, "I think some things are repulsive,
and I know a whole bunch of other people who agree with me, so they
should be deemed absolutely immoral now and forever, period".
Which in and of itself is nice enough; to some extent I agree with
you. But I do _not_ agree that things are 'inherently' or 'absolutely'
immoral; they are labeled 'immoral' each for its own good reason, and if
the reason can even theoretically change, then so can the label.
[...]
> Yes, that's vague, and the only way I know off the top of my head to
> defend it is to say that all humans are similarly made. Yes, that falls
> into the trap of creation,
No it doesn't. Humans are to some extent similar, because we all
belong to the same species; that that species has evolved is another
story altogether. To a certain extent evolution can even lend credence
to moral absolutism (of a flavour).
[...]
> My arguments are that it is better to exhibit trust, goodness,
> love, respect, courage, and honesty in any society rather than deceipt,
> hatred, disrespect, "cowardness", and dishonesty.
You're saying morality is what'll keep society alive and kicking.
It is, I think, up to a point; but societies are not all alike, and
neither are their moralities.
> No, I haven't been everywhere and
> seen everyone, but, according to my thesis, I don't have to, since I hold that
> we were all created similarly.
Similar != identical.
> If that makes an unfalsifiable thesis, just say
> so, and I'll both work out what I can and punt to fellow theists.
No, it's falsifiable through finding someoe who was "created
different", whatever that might be in the "real" world.
--
Disclaimer? "It's great to be young and insane!"
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From: pauls@trsvax.tandy.com
Subject: Re: Need Info on DSP project
Nf-ID: #R:ee.ualberta.ca:735344986:trsvax:288200082:000:164
Nf-From: trsvax.tandy.com!pauls Apr 21 09:31:00 1993
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Motorola has a good app note on a 10 band equalizer using a 56000 DSP. It
could be easily ported to an Ariel board, or even a Turtle Beach 56K
development system.
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From: atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Cardinal Ximenez)
Subject: Re: The arrogance of Christians
Organization: National Association for the Disorganized
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mhsu@lonestar.utsa.edu (Melinda . Hsu ) writes:
>I'd like to share my thoughts on this topic of "arrogance of
>Christians" and look forward to any responses. In my
>encounters with Christians, I find myself dismayed by their
>belief that their faith is total truth. According to them,
>their beliefs come from the Bible and the bible is the word of
>God and God is truth - thus they know the truth. This stance
>makes it difficult to discuss other faiths with them and my own
>hesitations about Christianity because they see no other way.
>Their way is the 'truth.'
>But I see their faith arising from a willful choice to believe
>a particular way. That choice is part faith and part reason,
>but it seems to me a choice.
>[I'm sort of mystified about how a Christian might respond to this.]
I'll start with a parable.
A Christian woman hires a carpenter to build her a birdhouse. When he comes
over, they begin talking about religion. "So you believe that you understand
God?" he asks. "Yes, I do," she replies. "Then have him build you the
birdhouse."
I don't think that Melinda is complaining about the basis of Christian
belief. However, there is a tendency among Christians to say, "I have all the
answers because God gave them to me." This is simply not the case.
I believe that the Bible is inerrant. However, our HUMAN interpretations of
the Bible are necessarily in error, because we are human and imperfect. We
have to remember that we ALL make mistakes in faith, and that because we are
human we have an imperfect understanding of the mind and will of God. To
claim, as so many people do, that the existence of the Bible allows us to
determine the answers to all questions is to claim that we humans can fully
understand God's will. This is hubris.
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From: atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Cardinal Ximenez)
Subject: Re: Ancient Books
Organization: National Association for the Disorganized
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cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Mike Cobb) writes:
>If I talk with an atheist and tell him the New Testament is an historically
>reliable document, what reasons would I give him?
I have found that this isn't a very effective argument. Most atheists are
perfectly willing to acknowledge the existence and ministry of Jesus--but are
quite capable of rationalizing the miracles and the resurrection into
misunderstandings, hoaxes, or simple fabrications. They can always make an
analogy with the _Iliad_, a book that tells the story of the historical Trojan
War, but also talks about gods and goddesses and their conversations.
I don't think it's possible to convince atheists of the validity of
Christianity through argument. We have to help foster faith and an
understanding of God. I could be wrong--are there any former atheists here who
were led to Christianity by argument?
Alan Terlep "Incestuous vituperousness"
Oakland University, Rochester, MI
atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu --Melissa Eggertsen
Rushing in where angels fear to tread.
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From: joel@math.toronto.edu (Joel Chan)
Subject: Game Score Report
Organization: Department of Mathematics, University of Toronto
Lines: 12
Just out of curiosity, what happened to the weekly AL and NL Game
Score Reports? I used to enjoy reading them throughout the summer
for the last two years.
Inquisitively yours,
Joel
--
Joel Chan <joel@math.toronto.edu>, Dept. of Mathematics, University of Toronto
Toronto Blue Jays -- 1992 World Series Champs!
"History: Those who ignore it are condemned to repeat it. Math, too."
- From the comic strip "Betty"
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From: psyrobtw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss)
Subject: 17 Apr 93 God's Promise in Luke 11:28
Organization: University at Buffalo
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But he said,
Yea rather,
blessed are they
that hear the word of God,
and keep it.
Luke 11:28
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From: andyh@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Andrew J. Huang)
Subject: Re: Quick question
Keywords: Removing panels.
Organization: Brandeis University
Lines: 12
In article <1993Apr5.211457.12789@ole.cdac.com> ssave@ole.cdac.com (The Devil Reincarnate) writes:
> How do you take off the driver side door panel from the inside
>on an '87 Honda Prelude? The speaker went scratchy, and I want
>to access its pins.
>
There is something going on here. It seems that once a month, the VW
group must have get a specific detailed question about Hondas. I
would like to ask that next month we get one about Hyundai instead of
Honda. Thank you.
-andy
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From: jonas-y@isy.liu.se (Jonas Yngvesson)
Subject: Re: Point within a polygon
Keywords: point, polygon
Organization: Dept of EE, University of Linkoping
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scrowe@hemel.bull.co.uk (Simon Crowe) writes:
>I am looking for an algorithm to determine if a given point is bound by a
>polygon. Does anyone have any such code or a reference to book containing
>information on the subject ?
Well, it's been a while since this was discussed so i take the liberty of
reprinting (without permission, so sue me) Eric Haines reprint of the very
interesting discussion of this topic...
/Jonas
O / \ O
------------------------- X snip snip X ------------------------------
O \ / O
"Give a man a fish, and he'll eat one day.
Give a man a fishing rod, and he'll laze around fishing and never do anything."
With that in mind, I reprint (without permission, so sue me) relevant
information posted some years ago on this very problem. Note the early use of
PostScript technology, predating many of this year's papers listed in the
April 1st SIGGRAPH Program Announcement posted here a few days ago.
-- Eric
Intersection Between a Line and a Polygon (UNDECIDABLE??),
by Dave Baraff, Tom Duff
From: deb@charisma.graphics.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: comp.graphics
Keywords: P, NP, Jordan curve separation, Ursyhon Metrization Theorem
Organization: Program of Computer Graphics
In article [...] ncsmith@ndsuvax.UUCP (Timothy Lyle Smith) writes:
>
> I need to find a formula/algorithm to determine if a line intersects
> a polygon. I would prefer a method that would do this in as little
> time as possible. I need this for use in a forward raytracing
> program.
I think that this is a very difficult problem. To start with, lines and
polygons are semi-algebraic sets which both contain uncountable number of
points. Here are a few off-the-cuff ideas.
First, we need to check if the line and the polygon are separated. Now, the
Jordan curve separation theorem says that the polygon divides the plane into
exactly two open (and thus non-compact) regions. Thus, the line lies
completely inside the polygon, the line lies completely outside the polygon,
or possibly (but this will rarely happen) the line intersects the polyon.
Now, the phrasing of this question says "if a line intersects a polygon", so
this is a decision problem. One possibility (the decision model approach) is
to reduce the question to some other (well known) problem Q, and then try to
solve Q. An answer to Q gives an answer to the original decision problem.
In recent years, many geometric problems have been successfully modeled in a
new language called PostScript. (See "PostScript Language", by Adobe Systems
Incorporated, ISBN # 0-201-10179-3, co. 1985).
So, given a line L and a polygon P, we can write a PostScript program that
draws the line L and the polygon P, and then "outputs" the answer. By
"output", we mean the program executes a command called "showpage", which
actually prints a page of paper containing the line and the polygon. A quick
examination of the paper provides an answer to the reduced problem Q, and thus
the original problem.
There are two small problems with this approach.
(1) There is an infinite number of ways to encode L and P into the
reduced problem Q. So, we will be forced to invoke the Axiom of
Choice (or equivalently, Zorn's Lemma). But the use of the Axiom of
Choice is not regarded in a very serious light these days.
(2) More importantly, the question arises as to whether or not the
PostScript program Q will actually output a piece of paper; or in
other words, will it halt?
Now, PostScript is expressive enough to encode everything that a
Turing Machine might do; thus the halting problem (for PostScript) is
undecidable. It is quite possible that the original problem will turn
out to be undecidable.
I won't even begin to go into other difficulties, such as aliasing, finite
precision and running out of ink, paper or both.
A couple of references might be:
1. Principia Mathematica. Newton, I. Cambridge University Press, Cambridge,
England. (Sorry, I don't have an ISBN# for this).
2. An Introduction to Automata Theory, Languages, and Computation. Hopcroft, J
and Ulman, J.
3. The C Programming Language. Kernighan, B and Ritchie, D.
4. A Tale of Two Cities. Dickens, C.
--------
From: td@alice.UUCP (Tom Duff)
Summary: Overkill.
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill NJ
The situation is not nearly as bleak as Baraff suggests (he should know
better, he's hung around The Labs for long enough). By the well known
Dobbin-Dullman reduction (see J. Dullman & D. Dobbin, J. Comp. Obfusc.
37,ii: pp. 33-947, lemma 17(a)) line-polygon intersection can be reduced to
Hamiltonian Circuit, without(!) the use of Grobner bases, so LPI (to coin an
acronym) is probably only NP-complete. Besides, Turing-completeness will no
longer be a problem once our Cray-3 is delivered, since it will be able to
complete an infinite loop in 4 milliseconds (with scatter-gather.)
--------
From: deb@svax.cs.cornell.edu (David Baraff)
Well, sure its no worse than NP-complete, but that's ONLY if you restrict
yourself to the case where the line satisfies a Lipschitz condition on its
second derivative. (I think there's an '89 SIGGRAPH paper from Caltech that
deals with this).
--
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J o n a s Y n g v e s s o n email: jonas-y@isy.liu.se
Dept. of Electrical Engineering voice: +46-(0)13-282162
University of Linkoping, Sweden fax : +46-(0)13-139282
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From: mjones@watson.ibm.com (Mike Jones)
Subject: Re: Jack Morris
Reply-To: mjones@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM.
Nntp-Posting-Host: fenway.aix.kingston.ibm.com
Organization: IBM AIX/ESA Development, Kingston NY
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maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes:
>It sure does. And it all depends on the definition that you use for "better".
>Yours is based on what could have been and mine is based on what really
>happened.
Well, actually, most of ours is based on what really happened and yours is
based on some fantasy of how it happened. But that's OK, I understand you
have a hockey background. Stats like "plus/minus" make RBI look good.
>>Is it Viola's fault that Boston had no offense? Is it *because* of Morris that
>>the Blue Jays had such a strong offense? Don't tell me that Morris has this
>>magical ability to cause the offensive players to score more runs.
>This is the perfect example of your problem. You are isolating Viola's
>contribution from the rest of the team's efforts. You can only do
>this if you can say for sure what the team would have done without
>Viola. Only then can you compare. But you cannot know how the team
>would have done without Viola. Your analysis is fallacious.
OK, how about a straigh answer, then. Here's a very simele question to which
I'm sure a fair number of us are very interesed in the answer to. Please
answer yes or no, Roger:
Can a pitcher cause the offensive players on his team to score more runs?
AL only, please.
For anyone else following along, it is a well-known and demonstrable fact
that a team's win-loss record is closely related to the number of runs the
team scores and the number the team allows. It's not a definite,
hard-and-fast function, but there is definitely a correlation. In fact, as a
rule of thumb, if teams A and B both score X runs and team A allows Y runs,
for every 10 runs fewer than Y that team B allows, it will win another game.
So, for instance, if we look at the 1991 Toronto Blue Jays, we find that
they scored 780 runs and allowed 682, of which Morris allowed 114. All other
things being equal, if Frank Viola, with his 3.44 ERA had replaced Jack
Morris for the 240.2 innings Morris threw (plausible, since Viola threw 238
for Boston), the "Red Jays" would have allowed about 15 fewer runs, or
enough for 1-2 more wins. Now, that doesn't take into account that Viola
pitched half his innings in Fenway, which is a harder park to pitch in
(particularly for a lefthander) than Skydome. So, um, Roger. Unless you
really do believe that a pitcher can somehow affect the number of runs
his team scores, could you enlighten us to the fallacy in this
analysis? Clearly, it would be foolhardy to claim that Viola would
necessarily have put up a 3.44 if he had been on the Jay last year, but
that is not the claim. We look at what the actual performances were and
evaluate Viola's as better than Morris' in the sense that "had Morris
performed as Viola did, his team would have been better off."
>It takes an open mind to really truly understand what is happening out
>here in the real world guys.
This is true, but not so open that your brain falls out.
Mike Jones | AIX High-End Development | mjones@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com
Computer...if you don't open that exit hatch this moment I shall zap straight
off to your major data banks and reprogram you with a very large ax. Got
that?
- Zaphod Beeblebrox
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From: steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks)
Subject: Re: Limiting Govt (was Re: Employment (was Re: Why not concentrate...)
Summary: More on failed governments
Organization: Failed Libertarian Opportunities, Inc.
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In article <18APR199314034390@venus.tamu.edu> gmw0622@venus.tamu.edu (Mr. Grinch) writes:
>In article <1993Apr18.172531.10946@isc-br.isc-br.com>, steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes...
>>
>:It would seem that a society with a "failed" government would be an ideal
>:setting for libertarian ideals to be implemented. Now why do you suppose
>:that never seems to occur?...
>
>
>I fail to see why you should feel this way in the first place. Constant
>combat isn't particularly conducive to intellectual theorizing. Also,
>they tend to get invaded before they can come to anything like a stable
>society anyway.
And the reason that the Soviet Union couldn't achieve the ideal of pure
communism was the hostility of surrounding capitalist nations...Uh huh.
Somehow, this all sounds familiar. Once again, utopian dreams are
confronted by the real world...
>
>Mr. Grinch
--
Steve Hendricks | DOMAIN: steveh@thor.ISC-BR.COM
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the bulls**t." - R. Hofferbert | Ma Bell: 509 838-8826
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From: gene@jackatak.raider.net (Gene Wright)
Subject: mac portable ram problems; coprocessor not installed?
Organization: Jack's Amazing CockRoach Capitalist Ventures
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I just recently bought a 4 MB ram card for my original mac portable
(backlit) and have since had some bizarre crashes. It happens when I put
the machine to sleep and wake the machine up. sometimes it will just
freeze the cursor and lock the machine up forcing me to push the reset
switch. Other times it will give me the usual bomb box with the error
message of "Co processor not installed".
I know one solution is NOT to put the machine to sleep, but does anyone
have any ideas on what could be causing this or better yet what might fix
it? The memory card is Psuedostatic ram and goes into the PDS Slot. That
probably figures into the problem. the manufacturer is King Memory (Not
kingston) from irvine, CA. They say the problem is in my machine.
Any Ideas? -- Gene Wright.
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gene@jackatak.raider.net (Gene Wright)
------------jackatak.raider.net (615) 377-5980 ------------
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From: mussack@austin.ibm.com (Chris Mussack)
Subject: Re: Atheist's views on Christianity (was: Re: "Accepting Jeesus in your heart...") - soc.religion.christian #16242
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In article <Apr.13.00.08.22.1993.28397@athos.rutgers.edu>, trajan@cwis.unomaha.edu (Stephen McIntyre) writes:
> norris@athena.mit.edu writes:
> > For example: why does the universe exist at all?
>
> Must there be a "why" to this? I ask because of what you also
> assume about God-- namely, that He just exists, with no "why"
> to His existence. So the question is reversed, "Why can't
> we assume the universe just exists as you assume God to
> "just exist"? Why must there be a "why" to the universe?"
Whether there is a "why" or not we have to find it. This is Pascal's(?) wager.
If there is no why and we spend our lives searching, then we have merely
wasted our lives, which were meaningless anyway. If there is a why and we
don't search for it, then we have wasted our potentially meaningful lives.
Suppose the universe is 5 billion years old, and suppose it lasts another
5 billion years. Suppose I live to be 100. That is nothing, that is so small
that it is scary. So by searching for the "why" along with my friends here
on earth if nothing else we aren't so scared.
What if you woke up at a party, with no memory, and everyone was discussing
who the host might be? There might not be a host, you say. I say let's go
find him, the party's going to be over sometime, maybe he'll let us stay.
Because we recognize our own mortality we have to find the "why".
> ...
> Well, then, Buddhism, Confucianism, Taoism, Hinduism, Judaism,
> Zoerasterism, Shintoism, and Islam should fit this bit of logic
> quite nicely... :-) All have depth, all have enduring values,
> thus all must be true...
This is a good point. But more of a good point for studying religion
than ignoring it. Some Christians disagree with me, but it is worthwhile
to study different religions and philosophies and glean the truth from
them. To quote (of course out of context) "Test everything and keep what is
true."
Chris Mussack
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From: rja@mahogany126.cray.com (Russ Anderson)
Subject: Re: Gore throws out the first ball. And media coverage of it
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In article <1993Apr15.093957.1213@hsh.com>, paul@hsh.com (Paul Havemann) writes:
> In article <1993Apr13.122543.1682@hemlock.cray.com>, rja@mahogany126.cray.com (Russ Anderson) writes:
> >
> > In article <C5E2JA.849@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM>, mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) writes:
> >> This past Thursday VP GOre threw out the first ball at the home opener for
> >> the Atlanta Braves. According to the news reports he was quite loudly booed.
> >> (No, Dr. Norman, these were not your typical beer swilling red-necks.)
> >>
> >> Personally I wouldn't have paid any more attention to the incident except
> >> that the evening news when describing the event, went on to comment that
> >> being booed was nothing unusual since it was normal for audiences to
> >> boo at this point since the celebrity was delaying the start of the game.
> >>
> >> What a bunch of crock. I have never heard of any incident in which the
> >> thrower of the ceremonial ball has been booed before.
> >
> > Dan Quayle got roundly booed in Milwaulkee last year. (I was listening
> > on the radio). This was the game that Quayle told the Brewers players that
> > he would like to see them play the Orioles in the ALCS.
>
> It's come to this, has it? Defending Al Gore by comparing him to Dan Quayle?
Who compared Quayle to Gore? Mark said he had never heard of any incident
in which the thrower of the ceremonial ball had been booed before. I mentioned
another incident. (And if the media had a liberal bias, I'm sure he would
have heard of the Quayle incident.)
If I was to compare Quayle to anyone, it most likely would be Elmer Fudd.
> I'd say that about says it all... back to the pit with ye, back to alt.fan.
> dan-quayle! Begone!
--
Russ Anderson | Disclaimer: Any statements are my own and do not reflect
------------------ upon my employer or anyone else. (c) 1993
EX-Twins' Jack Morris, 10 innings pitched, 0 runs (World Series MVP!)
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From: aldridge@netcom.com (Jacquelin Aldridge)
Subject: Re: Good Grief! (was Re: Candida Albicans: what is it?)
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dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>In article <noringC5snsx.KMo@netcom.com> noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) writes:
>>>There is no convincing evidence that such a disease exists.
>>There's a lot of evidence, it just hasn't been adequately gathered and
>>published in a way that will convince the die-hard melancholic skeptics
>>who quiver everytime the word 'anecdote' or 'empirical' is used.
>Snort. Ah, there go my sinuses again.
>>For example, Dr. Ivker, who wrote the book "Sinus Survival", always gives,
>Oh, wow. A classic textbook. Hey, they laughed at Einstein, too!
>>before any other treatment, a systemic anti-fungal (such as Nizoral) to his
>>new patients IF they've been on braod-spectrum anti-biotics 4 or more times
>>in the last two years. He's kept a record of the results, and for over
>>2000 patients found that over 90% of his patients get significant relief
>>of allergic/sinus symptoms. Of course, this is only the beginning for his
>>program.
>Yeah, I'll bet. Tomorrow, the world.
>Listen, uncontrolled studies like this are worthless.
>>In my case, as I reported a few weeks ago, I was developing the classic
>>symptoms outlined in 'The Yeast Connection' (I agree it is a poorly
>>written book): e.g., extreme sensitivity to plastics, vapors, etc. which
>>I never had before (started in November). Within one week of full dosage
>>of Sporanox, the sensitivity to chemicals has fully disappeared - I can
>>now sit on my couch at home without dying after two minutes. I'm also
>>*greatly* improved in other areas as well.
>I'm sure you are. You sound like the typical hysteric/hypochondriac who
>responds to "miracle cures."
>>Of course, I have allergy symptoms, etc. I am especially allergic to
>>molds, yeasts, etc. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that
>>if one has excessive colonization of yeast in the body, and you have a
>>natural allergy to yeasts, that a threshold would be reached where you
>>would have perceptible symptoms.
>Yeah, "it makes sense to me", so of course it should be taken seriously.
>Snort.
>>Also, yeast do produce toxins of various
>>sorts, and again, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to realize that
>>such toxins can cause problems in some people.
>Yeah, "it sounds reasonable to me".
>>Of course, the $60,000
>>question is whether a person who is immune compromised (as tests showed I was
>>from over 5 years of antibiotics, nutritionally-deficiencies because of the
>>stress of infections and allergies, etc.),
>Oh, really? _What_ tests? Immune-compromised, my ass.
>More like credulous malingerer. This is a psychiatric syndrome.
>>can develop excessive yeast
>>colonization somewhere in the body. It is a tough question to answer since
>>testing for excessive yeast colonization is not easy. One almost has to
>>take an empirical approach to diagnosis. Fortunately, Sporanox is relatively
>>safe unlike past anti-fungals (still have to be careful, however) so there's
>>no reason any longer to withhold Sporanox treatment for empirical reasons.
>You know, it's a shame that a drug like itraconazole is being misused
>in this way. It's ridiculously expensive, and potentially toxic.
>The trouble is that it isn't toxic enough, so it gets abused by quacks.
>>BTW, some would say to try Nystatin. Unfortunately, most yeast grows hyphae
>>too deep into tissue for Nystatin to have any permanent affect. You'll find
>>a lot of people who are on Nystatin all the time.
>The only good thing about nystatin is that it's (relatively) cheap
>and when taken orally, non-toxic. But oral nystatin is without any
>systemic effect, so unless it were given IV, it would be without
>any effect on your sinuses. I wish these quacks would first use
>IV nystatin or amphotericin B on people like you. That would solve
>the "yeast" problem once and for all.
>>In summary, I appreciate all of the attempts by those who desire to keep
>>medicine on the right road. But methinks that some who hold too firmly
>>to the party line are academics who haven't been in the trenches long enough
>>actually treating patients. If anybody, doctors included, said to me to my
>>face that there is no evidence of the 'yeast connection', I cannot guarantee
>>their safety. For their incompetence, ripping off their lips is justified as
>>far as I am concerned.
>Perhaps a little Haldol would go a long way towards ameliorating
>your symptoms.
>Are you paying for this treatment out of your own pocket? I'd hate
>to think my insurance premiums are going towards this.
>Steve Dyer
Dyer, you're rude. Medicine is not a totallly scientific endevour. It's
often practiced in a disorganized manner. Most early treatment of
non-life threatening illness is done on a guess, hazarded after anecdotal
evidence given by the patient. It's an educated guess, by a trained person,
but it's still no more than a guess.
It's cheaper and simpler to medicate first and only deal further with those
people who don't respond.
There are diseases that haven't been described yet and the root cause of many
diseases now described aren't known. (Read a book on gastroenterology
sometime if you want to see a lot of them.) After scientific methods have
run out then it's the patient's freedom of choice to try any experimental
method they choose. And it's well recognized by many doctors that medicine
doesn't have all the answers.
This person said that they had relief by taking the medicine. Maybe it's a
miracle cure, maybe it's valid. How do you know?
You might argue with the reasoning, the conclusions. But your disparaging
attack is unwarranted. Why don't you present an convincing argument for you
r beliefs, instead of wasting our time in an ad hominem attack.
-Jackie-
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From: boyle@bbsls23.bnr (Ian Boyle)
Subject: Re: What is " Volvo " ?
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> And all of these cars are driven fairly hard. None of them are at the head of
> a line of cars going 30 MPH....the first two spend a lot of their operating
> life with the speedometer pegged...and the only reason the 84 doesn't is it has
> a 120 MPH speedo...
> What I want to know is....have all you people who hate Volvos been traumatized
> by someone in a 745 Turbo wagon blowing you away on the road, or what?
740 Turbo in UK was good for 124mph. Useful for blowing away VW Beetles, though I
believe the Beetle corners better.
I can say without any doubt that I have never been blown away by any Volvo, ever.
I've been blocked into a few car parks though by shit-head Volvo owners who 'only thought they'd be a few minutes'. This does not happen with the owners of any other makes of car.
Not sure how long the small shit-box Volvos last - too damn long. The worst car I ever drove was a hired 340. In power, handling and ride it was reminiscent of something
from the 50s, without the character. The 340 only ceased production a couple of years back. I've only been a passenger in the big Volvos, but that was enough. I ought to go
for a test drive because they offer some neat gifts.
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From: betz@gozer.idbsu.edu (Andrew Betz)
Subject: Randy Weaver trial update: Day 5.
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Note: These trial updates are summarized from reports in the
_Idaho Statesman_ and the local NBC affiliate television
station, KTVB Channel 7.
Randy Weaver/Kevin Harris trial update: Day 5.
Monday, April 19, 1993 was the fifth day of the trial.
Synopsis: Government informant Kenneth Fadeley testified that
Randy Weaver sold him two shotguns in violation of the National
Firearms Act of 1934. U.S. District Court Judge Edward Lodge
asks jurors not to hear accounts of the Waco fire because
of possible influences on the Weaver/Harris case.
The testimony of FBI Special Agent Greg Rampton apparently
ended without further incident, as it was mentioned neither
by KTVB nor the _Idaho Statesman_.
The day was highlighted by the testimony of Kenneth Fadeley,
who had been posing as an outlaw biker and illegal guns person
named Gus Magiosono. Fadeley testified that he was acting as
an informant for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms
in his dealings with Randy Weaver.
Fadeley began by stating that he had met Weaver in 1987 at an
Aryan Nations summer conference in Hayden Lake, Idaho. The two
then met again October 11, 1989 (note the huge separation in
time) at a restaurant in Sandpoint, Idaho, to begin a weapons
transaction. He stated that Weaver had said, "He felt like he
(Weaver) was being prepared to do something dangerous for the
White cause."
The two later met October 24, 1989 behind the restaurant and
later went to a city park to make the sale. During this second
meeting, Fadeley was wearing a small recording device to
tape the conversation. Weaver allegedly showed him an H&R 12-
gauge shotgun with a 13-inch barrel and an overall length of
19.25 inches. He additionally showed a Remington 12-gauge
shotgun with a 12.75-inch barrel and an overall length of
24.5 inches (NFA requires minimums of 18 inches for barrel
length and an overall length of 26 inches). On tape, Weaver
is reported to have said that he could perform better work once
his machine shop is set up. The two then discuss the possibility
of future sales. Fadeley then counts out three hundred dollars
for the two guns and promises the balance of one-hundred fifty
dollars when they next meet. (Note that the ATF could have
simply arrested him here. Why did they wait until January 1991 -
over a year later - to arrest him? This is not explained).
The next meeting took place on Nov 30, 1989. Fadeley stated that
his "source" had only come up with one hundred dollars instead
of the one-hundred fifty he'd promised. At this point, Weaver
suspected he was dealing with an informant, "I had a guy in
Spokane tell me you were bad." Fadeley managed to convince
Weaver otherwise.
The _Idaho Statesman_ states explicitly that three tapes were
made of conversations with Randy Weaver. Thus, each of these
meetings must have been recorded. However, the _Statesman_ also
reported that a tape of a telephone conversation involving Vicki
Weaver (Randy Weaver's wife) was played to the court. There must
have also been phone taps.
These tapes were played to the court via both headphones and
loudspeakers under the objections of Gerry Spence, Weaver's
attorney. Spence said to a KTVB reporter that he wanted to
make sure that the government proved its case, "...if it has a
case at all..." according to the rules.
Randy Weaver tore off his headphones and wept when he heard his
wife's voice on the tape.
U.S. District Court Judge Edward Lodge asked jurors not to hear
accounts of the Waco fire because of possible influences on the
Weaver/Harris case. Exactly how such information could affect
this trial is not explained.
Other notes: Sunday evening there was a report on KTVB concerning
Kevin Harris. Unnamed agents within the FBI admit that they are
surprised that Kevin Harris is still alive. First, they were
surprised that he survived the initial gunshot wound(s) sustained
in the initial firefight at the Y-junction. Later, when Randy
Weaver was struck by sniper fire the sniper had reported that
Harris had been struck (not Weaver). Finally, there was a report
that the FBI agent who killed Vicki Weaver believed he was aiming
at Kevin Harris instead. (This is what was reported). Critics
are charging that the FBI was blatantly trying to eliminate the
only non-government witness to the deaths of Samuel Weaver and
Deputy Marshal William Degan. Some local people believe that
Harris's survival is simply due to divine intervention.
Tuesday, April 20, 1993 will be the sixth day of the trial.
Kenneth Fadeley's testimony is scheduled to continue.
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From: pla@sktb.demon.co.uk ("Paul L. Allen")
Subject: Re: Secret algorithm [Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow]
Reply-To: pla@sktb.demon.co.uk
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In article <PMETZGER.93Apr18141006@snark.shearson.com> pmetzger@snark.shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger) writes:
> In article <1qnupd$jpm@news.intercon.com> amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) writes:
>
> From: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker)
>
> jhesse@netcom.com (John Hesse) writes:
> > Oh great. Wonderful news. Nobody can listen in--except the feds.
>
> Hey, it's better than the status quo.
>
> I am far less worried about "the feds" tapping my phone than high school
> scanner surfers who get their kicks out of eavesdropping on cellular and
> cordless phone calls.
>
> I'm a political dissident. I'm scared shitless of the feds listening
> in on my calls. My opinions are the sort that would get me
> "disappeared" in a slightly less free society -- and who knows what
> sort of society we will be in in five or ten years? I have friends who
> have had their phones tapped -- none of this is theoretical to me.
>
> As for "its better than the status quo", well, first of all, you can
> get a cryptophone from companies like Cylink today -- and they work
> well. In addition, a number of groups are now working on building
> software to turn any PC into a privacy enhanced phone right now -- and
> they are all working in overdrive mode.
>
> And yes, I'd rather just see all crypto restrictions lifted, but this is at
> least an incrememental improvement for certain applications...
>
> There ARE no crypto restrictions... yet. You can use anything you want
> RIGHT NOW. The point is to maintain that right.
The point you all seem to have missed was covered when the UK cellphone
scrambling system was discussed. Incidentally, my MP has responded to
my questions on that issue, and it appears that the UK and other `approved'
countries will get the secure A5 encryption, and `dodgy' countries will
get A5X. Existing mobile equipment will drop to clear mode when used with
A5X systems, but newer equipment will use A5/A5X/clear depending on the
capabilities of the base station.
The cops/feds do *not* need to be able to get hold of your private key to
listen in to cellular conversations. Encryption is not end-to-end, but
cellphone to base-station - it *has* to be this way so that cellular users
and fixed installations can talk to each other. For cellular to cellular
calls, the transmission is decrypted at the base-station, passed to another
base-station and re-encrypted. The cops/feds can listen to the unscrambled
call *provided* they get a warrant to tap into the cellular provider's
equipment. The only reason for wanting a crackable system is so they can
listen without having to obtain a warrant.
But, maybe the Clipper system is secure, and they really do need a warrant
to get the key out of escrow before they can listen in using a scanner (see
above - they don't *have* to go down this route anyway). I have my doubts,
but even if true once they have the key they will *never* again need a
warrant to tap into that particular phone whenever they want. `Well, Judge,
it appears he wasn't a drug-dealer after all, so naturally we'll stop
listening in'...
You have every reason to be scared shitless. Take a look at the records
of McCarthy, Hoover (J. Edgar, not the cleaner - though they both excelled at
sucking) and Nixon.
- --Paul
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From: cs902043@ariel.yorku.ca (SHAWN LUDDINGTON)
Subject: Re: Jack Morris
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In article <1993Apr18.032345.5178@cs.cornell.edu> tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:
>In article <1993Apr18.030412.1210@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> gspira@nyx.cs.du.edu (Greg Spira) writes:
>>Howard_Wong@mindlink.bc.ca (Howard Wong) writes:
>>
>>>Has Jack lost a bit of his edge? What is the worst start Jack Morris has had?
>>
>>Uh, Jack lost his edge about 5 years ago, and has had only one above
>>average year in the last 5.
>
>Again goes to prove that it is better to be good than lucky. You can
>count on good tomorrow. Lucky seems to be prone to bad starts (and a
>bad finish last year :-).
>
>(Yes, I am enjoying every last run he gives up. Who was it who said
>Morris was a better signing than Viola?)
>
>Cheers,
>-Valentine
Hey Valentine, I don't see Boston with any world series rings on their
fingers. Damn, Morris now has three and probably the Hall of Fame in his
future. Therefore, I would have to say Toronto easily made the best
signing. And don't tell me Boston will win this year. They won't
even be in the top 4 in the division, more like 6th.
Shawn
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From: cbrasted@physics.adelaide.edu.au (Charles Brasted)
Subject: Re: some thoughts.
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bissda@saturn.wwc.edu (DAN LAWRENCE BISSELL) writes:
> First I want to start right out and say that I'm a Christian. It
>makes sense to be one. Have any of you read Tony Campollo's book- liar,
>lunatic, or the real thing? (I might be a little off on the title, but he
>writes the book. Anyway he was part of an effort to destroy Christianity,
>in the process he became a Christian himself.
I assume you are posting to encourage comments - how much history has
Tony Campello read? Not much it seems.
> The arguements he uses I am summing up. The book is about whether
>Jesus was God or not. I know many of you don't believe, but listen to a
>different perspective for we all have something to gain by listening to what
>others have to say.
It is good to hear that there are a few reasonable Christians about.
If only those christian "scientists" would take note.
(In Australia there is a very strong movement, a bunch of christian
scientists who believe that every single event in the bible is exactly
true, and that there is a rational explanation for it all that can be justified
by using the laws of physics. For example, there are a few chaps who are
trying to prove that the age of the universe is 6000 years old, and that the
error in conventional calculations is the result of the fact that the speed
light has been rapidly decaying over the years, and this has not been
accounted for. :-] )
> The book says that Jesus was either a liar, or he was crazy ( a
>modern day Koresh) or he was actually who he said he was.
Or (of course), that he never existed, and the bible was a story, and was never
intended to become a manifesto for a billion people. Did Tony follow that one
up?
> Some reasons why he wouldn't be a liar are as follows. Who would
>die for a lie? Wouldn't people be able to tell if he was a liar? People
>gathered around him and kept doing it, many gathered from hearing or seeing
>someone who was or had been healed.
Millions of people have "died for a lie". This point is difficult to
substantiate since it is not well defined (a great many religious arguments
work in that way), but consider the many Aztec warriors who sacrificed
themselves to their gods in the belief that this act would bring them victory
of the Spanish invaders. The list is endless. The Aztecs lost, BTW.
>Call me a fool, but I believe he did heal people.
That is perfectly reasonable, but it is not grounds for me (or anyone)
to become a christian. More to the point, it does not add weight to
the claim that Jesus was the "real thing".
> Niether was he a lunatic. Would more than an entire nation be drawn
>to someone who was crazy. Very doubtful, in fact rediculous. For example
>anyone who is drawn to David Koresh is obviously a fool, logical people see
>this right away.
Have you ever seen a documentary about the rise of Nazi Germany? More to the
point, did Tony mention this? One could hardly call Werner Heisenberg and his
many colleagues fools, or illogical men, their support of Hitler was based
(I presume) upon an emotional issue rather than a rational agreement with
his principles. Obviously my argument is invalid if Tony thought that Hitler
was sane....
> Therefore since he wasn't a liar or a lunatic, he must have been the
>real thing.
Hmmm.... I don't think his arguments warrant the use of a "Therefore..."
> Some other things to note. He fulfilled loads of prophecies in
>the psalms, Isaiah and elsewhere in 24 hrs alone. This in his betrayal
>and Crucifixion. I don't have my Bible with me at this moment, next time I
>write I will use it.
This is (unfortunately) what alot of religious discussions I have had with
people result in - quoting the bible. The only reasonable way I think
people can look at the bible is to treat the stories as some sort of
metaphorical representation of the messages that the authors were trying to
present. If someone tries to interpret parts of the bible literally, he or
she will end up in all sorts of shit.
Tony's argument would be perfectly reasonable for people who believe
the events described in the bible took place, but to convince someone,
who thinks the bible is total fiction, that Jesus is real by quoting the
book is totally pointless. For example, in mathematics you cannot say "a is
equal to b because a is equal to b".
> I don't think most people understand what a Christian is.
That would possibly explain why there have so many people being killed
in religious wars, and why there are hundreds of different versions all
claiming to be correct.
It
>is certainly not what I see a lot in churches. Rather I think it
>should be a way of life, and a total sacrafice of everything for God's
>sake. He loved us enough to die and save us so we should do the
>same. Hey we can't do it, God himself inspires us to turn our lives
>over to him. That's tuff and most people don't want to do it, to be a
>real Christian would be something for the strong to persevere at. But
>just like weight lifting or guitar playing, drums, whatever it takes
>time. We don't rush it in one day, Christianity is your whole life.
>It is not going to church once a week, or helping poor people once in
>a while. We box everything into time units. Such as work at this
>time, sports, Tv, social life. God is above these boxes and should be
>carried with us into all these boxes that we have created for
>ourselves.
I think if you posted this part to alt.religion you would get more flames
than here :-). I have never really understood why the emotional sentiments
of a stranger should be of interest to other people.
Someone famous said that there two evils in life, polititians and churchs, one
rules by fear of the living, the other by fear of the dead. If I am pressed I
could probably find the exact quotation.
Cheers,
Charles.
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From: toml@blade.Boulder.ParcPlace.COM (Tom LaStrange)
Subject: Re: Forcing a window manager to accept specific coordinates for a window
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In article <BADING.93Apr21134939@athene.cs.tu-berlin.de>, bading@cs.tu-berlin.de (Tobias 'Doping' Bading) writes:
|>
|> try this after XCreateWindow:
|> -----------------------------
|>
|> #include <X11/Xutil.h>
|>
|> Display display;
|> Window window;
|>
|> {
|> XSizeHints *xsizehints = XAllocSizeHints ();
|> xsizehints->flags = USPosition | USSize; /* or = PPosition | PSize */
|> xsizehints->x = 42;
|> xsizehints->y = 42;
|> xsizehints->width = 100;
|> xsizehints->height = 100;
|> XSetWMNormalHints (display, window, xsizehints);
|> XFree (xsizehints);
|> }
|>
|> These hints tell the window manager that the position and size of the window
|> are specified by the users and that the window manager should accept these
|> values. If you use xsizehints->flags = PPosition | PSize, this tells the window
|> manager that the values are prefered values of the program, not the user.
|> I don't know a window manager that doesn't place the window like you prefer if
|> you specify the position and size like above.
You are right but PLEASE DON'T DO THIS. It makes my brain hurt.
USPosition and USSize should ONLY be set if the USER specified the
position and size.
You say: "Tom, don't blow a gasket, what's the harm?"
Some window managers do very different things (besides positioning the window)
when they see USPosition rather than PPosition.
--
Tom LaStrange toml@boulder.ParcPlace.COM
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From: seth@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (peter.r.clark..jr)
Subject: Re: Thumbs up to ESPN
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Keywords: ESPN, Detroit, Toronto, Hockey Coverage
Lines: 16
In article <1993Apr20.032017.5783@wuecl.wustl.edu>, jca2@cec1.wustl.edu (Joseph Charles Achkar) writes:
>
> It was nice to see ESPN show game 1 between the Wings and Leafs since
> the Cubs and Astros got rained out. Instead of showing another baseball
> game, they decided on the Stanley Cup Playoffs. A classy move by ESPN.
What, did you leave the room each of the 100 or so times they said that
there WERE NO OTHER NIGHT BASEBALL GAMES? Every break they took back at
the studio mentioned it, followed by 'so...we're gonna show you hockey
instead.' My wife and I are hoping for rain at every baseball game they
have a feed for tommorrow night...
Point is, be glad they showed hockey, but if baseball was available
anywhere else you can bet you would've watched baseball last night.
pete clark
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From: mlf@unl.edu (mary flaglelee)
Subject: Wanted:Singer Featherweight 221
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln
Lines: 7
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: unlinfo.unl.edu
Keywords: Singer sewing machine
I'm looking for a Singer Featherweight 221 sewing machine (old, black
sewing machine in black case).
Please contact:
Mary Flagle-Lee
mlf@unlinfo.unl.edu
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From: pilon@aix02.ecs.rpi.edu (T.J. Pilon)
Subject: Re: My IIcx won't turn on...
Nntp-Posting-Host: aix02.ecs.rpi.edu
Lines: 7
I've changed the battery in the thing (shortly after the problem first
happened) and I've noticed an inordinate number of Bus errors lately...
T.J. Pilon
pilon@rpi.edu
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From: vek@allegra.att.com (Van Kelly)
Subject: Re: Prayer in Jesus' Name
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill, NJ, USA
Lines: 39
According to what I have read on Biblical idioms, speaking "in X's
name" is a standard Aramaic/Hebrew legal idiom for what we today
would call Power of Attorney. A person from Jesus' culture authorized
to conduct business "in John's name" had full authority over John's
financial affairs, but was held under a solemn fiduciary obligation to
work only for John's benefit and consonant with John's wishes. It was
not required for the steward to preface each business transaction with
"in John's name"; it was sufficient to have valid power of attorney
and be operating in good faith. (Note the overlap here between legal
and religious definitions of "faith".)
With this cultural background, praying "in Jesus' name" does not
mandate a particular verbal formula; rather it requires that the
petitioner be operating faithfully and consciously within an analogous
"fiduciary" relationship with Jesus and for the purposes of His
Kingdom. The message of "praying in Jesus' name" is thus closely
aligned with the parable of the talents and other passages about God's
delegation of Kingdom business to his stewards, both resources and
responsibilities. This idea of praying "in Jesus' name" is not only
present but prominent in the Lord's Prayer, although the verbal
forumula is absent.
The act of praying the words "In Jesus' Name" may be beneficial if
they cause us to clarify the relationship of our requests to the
advancement of God's Kingdom. For that reason, I'm not quite ready
to say that the praying the formula is without meaning.
Prayers to God for other purposes (desperation, anger, thanksgiving,
etc.) don't seem to be in this category at all, whether uttered by
Christian or non-Christian, whether B.C. or A.D. (that's B.C.E. or
C.E. for you P.C. :-). I don't see anything in Christ's words to
contradict the idea that God deals with all prayers according to His
omniscience and grace.
Van Kelly
vek@research.att.com
The above opinions are my own, and not those of AT&T.
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From: habs@panix.com (Harry Shapiro)
Subject: Re: The [secret] source of that announcement
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC
Lines: 65
In <1r1om5$c5m@slab.mtholyoke.edu> jbotz@mtholyoke.edu (Jurgen Botz)
writes:
>Even more interesting: the SMTP server at csrc.ncsl.nist.gov no longer
>recognizes the 'expn' and 'vrfy' commands...
> telnet csrc.ncsl.nist.gov smtp
> Trying 129.6.54.11...
> Connected to csrc.ncsl.nist.gov.
> Escape character is '^]'.
> 220 first.org sendmail 4.1/NIST ready at Tue, 20 Apr 93 17:01:34 EDT
> expn clipper
> 500 Command unrecognized
>Seems like sombody didn't like your snooping around, Marc.
Then it is a good thing we already have this:
The csspub mailing list: csspab@mail-gw.ncsl.nist.gov, and address on
the clipper mailing list, seems to contain basically the members of
the NIST security board.
In addition to the names already posted, their true names are as
follows:
burrows@ecf = James Burrows a director of NIST's National Computer
Systems Laboratory
mcnulty@ecf = F. Lynn McNulty an associate director for computer
security at the National Institute of Standards and Technology's
Computer Systems Laboratory
Gangemi@dockmaster.ncsc.mil = Gaetano Gangemi is director of the
secure systems program at Wang Laboratories Inc. He wrote: Computer
Security Basics by Deborah Russell and G. T. Gangemi, Sr. -1991,
O'Reilly and Associates
slambert@cgin.cto.citicorp.com = Sandra Lambert is vice-president of
information security at Citibank, N.A.
lipner@mitre.org = Lipner is Mitre Corp.'s director of information
systems.
gallagher@dockmaster.ncsc.mil = Patrick Gallagher, director of the
National Security Agency's National Computer Security Center and a
security board member
walker@tis.com = Stephen Walker a computer security expert and
president of Trusted Information Systems, Inc. in Glenwood, Md
willis@rand.org = Willis H. Ware a the Rand Corp. executive who
chairs the security board.
whitehurst@vnet.ibm.com = William Whitehurst is a security board
member and director of IBM Corp.'s data security programs.
--
Harry Shapiro habs@panix.com
List Administrator of the Extropy Institute Mailing List
Private Communication for the Extropian Community since 1991
--
Harry Shapiro habs@panix.com
List Administrator of the Extropy Institute Mailing List
Private Communication for the Extropian Community since 1991
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From: neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard)
Subject: Do Splitfires Help Spagthorpe Diesels ?
Keywords: Using Splitfire plugs for performance.
Distribution: rec.motorcycles
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX
Lines: 34
In article <C5JF22.DJr@news.cso.uiuc.edu> wcd82671@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (daniel warren c) writes:
>Earlier, I was reading on the net about using Splitfire plugs. One
>guy was thinking about it and almost everybody shot him to hell. Well,
>I saw one think that someone said about "Show me a team that used Split-
>fires...." Well, here's some additional insight and some theories
>about splitfire plugs and how they boost us as oppossed to cages.
>
>Splitfires were originally made to burn fuel more efficiently and
>increased power for the 4x4 cages. Well, for these guys, splitfires
>
>Now I don't know about all of this (and I'm trying to catch up with
>somebody about it now), but Splitfires should help twins more than
Splitfires work mainly by providing a more-or-less unshrouded spark to the
combustion chamber. If an engine's cylinder head design can benefit from this,
then the splitfires will yield a slight performance increase, most noticeably
in lower rpm range torque. Splitfires didn't do diddly-squat for my 1992 GMC
pickup (4.3l V6) but do give a noticeable performance boost in my 1991 Harley
Sportster 1200 and my best friend's 1986 Sportster 883. Folks I know who've
tried them in 1340 Evo motors can't tell any performance boost over plain
plugs (which is interesting since the XLH and big twin EVO combustion chambers
are pretty much the same shape, just different sizes). Two of my friends who
have shovelhead Harleys swear by the splitfires but if I had a shovelhead,
I'd dual-plug it instead since they respond well enough to dual plugs to make
the machine work and extra ignition system worth the expense (plus they look
really cool with a spark plug on each side of each head)
--
=============================================================================
Neal Howard '91 XLH-1200 DoD #686 CompuTrac, Inc (Richardson, TX)
doh #0000001200 |355o33| neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org
Std disclaimer: My opinions are mine, not CompuTrac's.
"Let us learn to dream, gentlemen, and then perhaps
we shall learn the truth." -- August Kekule' (1890)
=============================================================================
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From: nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos)
Subject: Re: Spreading Christianity (Re: Christian Extremist Kills Doctor)
Organization: USC Department of Computer Science
Lines: 146
Most of the key issues in the 284 line post to which I am following up are
dealt with in the following post I made on talk.abortion yesterday,
modified to correct the next to last paragraph.
Message-ID: <nyikos.734890344@milo.math.scarolina.edu>
References: <nyikos.734360987@milo.math.scarolina.edu> <nyikos.734640769@milo.math.scarolina.edu> <1993Apr13.122356.3612@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>
In <1993Apr13.122356.3612@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (dean.kaflowitz) writes:
>In article <nyikos.734640769@milo.math.scarolina.edu>, nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:
>> In <CS132073.93Apr9160836@cslab1g.cs.brown.edu> cs132073@cs.brown.edu (John Bates) writes:
>>
>> >In article <nyikos.734360987@milo.math.scarolina.edu> nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:
>> > perhaps out
>> >of dedication to your convictions. I never, *never*, thought that you
>> >would be consciously intellectually dishonest, though.
>>
>> I am not. Can you show me anything that would lead you to think
>> otherwise?
>See the "Spreading Christianity" thread, in which he says I
>ignore certain statements that I specifically acknowledged and
Dean did not. He called them "the Great Commission" but this is NOT
descriptive of Jesus's words in Matt. 10:15.
Matt. 10:14, Jerusalem Bible translation:
"And if anyone does not welcome you or listen to what you have
to say, as you walk out of the house or town shake the dust
from your feet."
Matt. 10:15:
"I tell you solemnly, on the day of Judgment it will not
go as hard with the land of Sodom and Gomorrah as with
that town."
In the post to which Dean is referring above, I said:
"> The above is a good description of Kaflowitz, who keeps harping on
> shaking the dust off the feet but ignoring what Christ said next."
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^
The highlighted words refer to Matt 10:14 and 10:15 respectively.
And Dean countered:
"Actually, this comment of your's is a perfect example of what an
intellectually dishonest little sparrowfart you are, since I
specifically acknowledged the Great Commission and the entreaty
to spread the word. In fact, it is the combination of the two
statements I was addressing, and not just the one, and for you to
characterize that as "ignoring" the instruction to spread the
word is a good example of what a dishonest little fellow you are."
Of course, Matt 10:15 [quoted above] makes no mention of "instruction
to spread the word."
All these quotes btw are from:
Message-ID: <1993Apr13.121624.3400@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>
>in which, at the end, he claims I did not answer a question
>which I answered, and which he deleted (to get the chronology
>right, he deleted the answer and then said I didn't answer).
And I claim it correctly, because my question went:
"Do you, too, measure
the goodness of a post by its entertainment value, and care not
a whit for such mundane things as truth and falsehood?"
and the closest Dean came to an answer was:
"Peter, Peter, Peter. You're just so stupid, pretentious, dull,
and generally unworthy of the value you place on yourself that
the sport is all there is."
Of course, this does NOT answer my question, which has to do with posts
in GENERAL and not my posts in particular. Surely even Dean knows this,
yet he brazenly asserts otherwise, reinforcing his claim with an insult:
"So I now restore the answer to your question
that you deleted. If you're still unable to figure it out, ask
a nice kid at the local junior high to help you. It really
doesn't take much sophistication to understand."
On top of which, I doubt that the "answer" is at all representative
of Dean's true frame of mind. The insults you have seen quoted thus
far are but a small sample of the stream that oozes out of Dean's
mind throughout the 284-line post from which these quotes were taken.
One wonders whether Dean's mind is so warped as to find sport in all
this.
He even dredges up a falsified account of
events that transpired earlier on another thread:
"You made an ass of yourself by claiming that it
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
was in the tradition of Lent to make public announcements of
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
the "sins" of other individuals."
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
False. I said it was the tradition to recall and atone for one's sins.
That I made public announcements of the "sins" of others
--"sins", BTW, that were a matter of public record, documented in
the posts of others-- is a different matter.
Many of the individuals involved are so nearly amoral that
they do not see as sins what morally upright people see as sins, so
I pointed some of them out. And I expressly set up a whole thread,
YOUR TURN, to let people point out MY sins to me.
Dean again:
"You made an ass of yourself
by saying that my statement of the tradition of tzedukkah was
somehow an attempt to "paint Jews as plaster saints," thereby
revealing your inability to understand the discussion as well
as showing your dislike for people saying positive things
about Jews, and now you show your intellectual dishonesty by
repeatedly ignoring the simple argument being made, and then
claiming I am ignoring the very argument I acknowledge."
Actually, what happened was that Dean made it seem like ANY Jew
who gave alms or did other acts of charity in public was a hypocrite
according to Jewish customs. In doing so, he was caricaturing
Jewish customs as being almost impossibly demanding, as well as
implicitly slandering all Jews who make public their acts of charity.
I went very easily on Dean for this, giving him the benefit of
the doubt in a post following my initial crack about "plaster saints",
suggesting that he had been merely careless in his wording.
In an astonishing act of ingratitude, Dean now serves up an incredibly
distorted picture of what took place between us, and using it as
the basis of one insult after another.
Peter Nyikos
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From: matt@centerline.com (Matt Landau)
Subject: Looking for updated XView textedit source (w/d-n-d support)
Article-I.D.: armory.1ri2o2$3hm
Organization: CenterLine Software, Inc.
Lines: 28
NNTP-Posting-Host: 140.239.1.32
The XView version 3 source distribution included in the contrib section
of X11R5 included the source to the textedit program. I'd like to take
the sources and modify them to add support for a ToolTalk-like message
server, and maybe for ToolTalk while I'm at it, since the Sun-supplied
textedit binary doesn't seem to speak tooltalk.
However, the sources in the R5 contrib area seem to be for an older
version of textedit than the version shipped with OpenWindows 3. For
example, the OWN 3.0 textedit includes drag and drop support and a
dropsite in the main control area, while the source in contrib/xview
knows nothing about drag and drop.
The textedit.c included in the xview sources says it's version 15.50,
dated 5/22/90, while doing a 'what textedit' on the OWN 3.0 binary says:
textedit.c 2.62 91/09/14 Copyr 1990 Sun Micro
dragdrop.c 1.26 91/09/14 Copyr 1990 Sun Micro
tooltalk.c 2.16 91/09/14 Copyr 1990 Sun Micro
ds_relname.c 1.7 91/09/14 Copyr 1990 Sun Micro
So, does anyone know if the 9/14/91 sources to textedit are available?
I'd really like to work from the latest source if possible.
Please reply by email, and I'll post a summary if there's enough
interest.
--
Matt Landau Waiting for a flash of enlightenment
matt@centerline.com in all this blood and thunder
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From: kshin@stein.u.washington.edu (Kevin Shin)
Subject: thinning algorithm
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Lines: 10
NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu
Hi, netters
I am looking for source code that can reads the ascii file
or bitmap file and produced the thinned image.
For example, to preprocess the character image I want to
apply thinning algorithm.
thanks
kevin
.
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From: brentw@netcom.com (Brent C. Williams)
Subject: Re: Colorado Jumbo 250 for Gateway 2000?
Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Lines: 59
pd@world.std.com (Peter F Davis) writes:
>I've just installed a new Colorado Jumbo 250 tape backup unit from
>Gateway, and I have a couple of complaints with it. I don't know how
>common or serious these problems may be. I would appreciate some
>feedback from others who have used this system. (BTW, This is on a
>4DX2-66V tower system.)
I have a similar configuration: Colorado 250mb on 66 DX/2 tower.
>The problems are:
> o Firstly, Gateway shipped me only 120 Mb tapes, even though the
> drive is a 250 Mb unit. When I called to complain, they only
> said: "That's all we carry," and "With compression, you can
> fit 250 Mb on one tape." Maybe so, but then why did I pay
> extra for the large capacity tape drive?
You got suckered in the same way I did. Silly me, believing
that the "250" logo on the front meant actual carrying capacity.
The people who do this sort of thing for a living call it
"marketing." Lawyers who prosecute it call it "fraud."
Perhaps we can have a bunch of other duped buyers march on
their corporate headquarters.
> o I have about 230 Mb of data on my C: drive. I choose the
> space-optimizing compression scheme and started a full backup.
> The software estimated it would take about 22 minutes. It
> took 4 1/2 hours. Does this sound about right?
This is a bit long. My system takes about 45 minutes to do
the same thing. Usually 4.5 hours, particularly if the tape
is grinding away the whole time means that your block size for
the write is too small. Is there any way to change the block
size or write buffer size so it's bigger?
> o During the backup, about a dozen files came up with "access
> denied" errors. Most of these were in C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM
> (COMM.DRV, KEYBOARD.DRV, SHELL.DLL, etc.), but also
> C:\WINDOWS\PROGMAN.EXE and a couple of files in the C:\TAPE
> directory. Anyone else had this happen?
This is because the files are opened by DOS. The files in the
TAPE directory are likely the executable file or the configuration
file for the tape system. I would recommend running the backup
from DOS so it will make a complete backup of the TAPE directory.
>Thanks for any and all feedback on this system. I'd also appreciate
>hearing of good sources for blank tape cartridges, preferably 250 Mb
>size.
The 250mb cartridges won't do you any good since the drive
won't write 250mb of physical data on the tape.
>Thanks.
>-pd
--
-brent williams (brentw@netcom.com) san jose, california
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From: louray@seas.gwu.edu (Michael Panayiotakis)
Subject: Re: More Cool BMP files??
Organization: George Washington University
Lines: 15
>
>I downloaded the CompuServe GIF of the month. A raytraced image of
>a golf ball next to a hole. Very nice, 640x480x256 bitmap, easily
>converted to a Windows BMP. If anyone wants, I could upload a copy
>on Cica...
>
Please do...and let us know specifics. (lest I'm the only one on this).
Mickey
--
pe-|| || MICHAEL PANAYIOTAKIS: louray@seas.gwu.edu
ace|| || ...!uunet!seas.gwu.edu!louray
|||| \/| *how do make a ms-windows .grp file reflect a HD directory??*
\\\\ | "well I ain't always right, but I've never been wrong.."(gd)
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From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
Subject: Re: Morality? (was Re: <Political Atheists?)
Organization: sgi
Lines: 93
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com
In article <1qlettINN8oi@gap.caltech.edu>, keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes:
|> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
|>
|> >>>Explain to me
|> >>>how instinctive acts can be moral acts, and I am happy to listen.
|> >>For example, if it were instinctive not to murder...
|> >
|> >Then not murdering would have no moral significance, since there
|> >would be nothing voluntary about it.
|>
|> See, there you go again, saying that a moral act is only significant
|> if it is "voluntary." Why do you think this?
If you force me to do something, am I morally responsible for it?
|>
|> And anyway, humans have the ability to disregard some of their instincts.
Well, make up your mind. Is it to be "instinctive not to murder"
or not?
|>
|> >>So, only intelligent beings can be moral, even if the bahavior of other
|> >>beings mimics theirs?
|> >
|> >You are starting to get the point. Mimicry is not necessarily the
|> >same as the action being imitated. A Parrot saying "Pretty Polly"
|> >isn't necessarily commenting on the pulchritude of Polly.
|>
|> You are attaching too many things to the term "moral," I think.
|> Let's try this: is it "good" that animals of the same species
|> don't kill each other. Or, do you think this is right?
It's not even correct. Animals of the same species do kill
one another.
|>
|> Or do you think that animals are machines, and that nothing they do
|> is either right nor wrong?
Sigh. I wonder how many times we have been round this loop.
I think that instinctive bahaviour has no moral significance.
I am quite prepared to believe that higher animals, such as
primates, have the beginnings of a moral sense, since they seem
to exhibit self-awareness.
|>
|>
|> >>Animals of the same species could kill each other arbitarily, but
|> >>they don't.
|> >
|> >They do. I and other posters have given you many examples of exactly
|> >this, but you seem to have a very short memory.
|>
|> Those weren't arbitrary killings. They were slayings related to some
|> sort of mating ritual or whatnot.
So what? Are you trying to say that some killing in animals
has a moral significance and some does not? Is this your
natural morality>
|>
|> >>Are you trying to say that this isn't an act of morality because
|> >>most animals aren't intelligent enough to think like we do?
|> >
|> >I'm saying:
|> > "There must be the possibility that the organism - it's not
|> > just people we are talking about - can consider alternatives."
|> >
|> >It's right there in the posting you are replying to.
|>
|> Yes it was, but I still don't understand your distinctions. What
|> do you mean by "consider?" Can a small child be moral? How about
|> a gorilla? A dolphin? A platypus? Where is the line drawn? Does
|> the being need to be self aware?
Are you blind? What do you think that this sentence means?
"There must be the possibility that the organism - it's not
just people we are talking about - can consider alternatives."
What would that imply?
|>
|> What *do* you call the mechanism which seems to prevent animals of
|> the same species from (arbitrarily) killing each other? Don't
|> you find the fact that they don't at all significant?
I find the fact that they do to be significant.
jon.
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From: max@hilbert.cyprs.rain.com (Max Webb)
Subject: Re: A question that has bee bothering me.
Organization: Cypress Semi, Beaverton OR
Lines: 47
In article <Apr.14.03.07.55.1993.5435@athos.rutgers.edu> wquinnan@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Malcusco) writes:
>In article <Apr.11.01.02.39.1993.17790@athos.rutgers.edu> atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Cardinal Ximenez) writes:
> My problem with Science is that often it allows us to
>assume we know what is best for ourselves. God endowed us
>with the ability to produce life through sexual relations,
You assume this because you believe in a designing creator,
and you observe our ability to procreate...
>for example, but He did not make that availible to everyone.
>Does that mean that if Science can over-ride God's decision
>through alterations, that God wills for us to have the power
>to decide who should and should not be able to have
>children?
.... But then you observe our ability to modify fertility
through intelligence & experiment, and draw no similar conclusions
about God designing us for scientific inquiry & the use of the
technology that it produces. How is it that one ability is "obviously
from God", and the other not?
> I cannot draw a solid line regarding where I
>would approve of Scientific study, and where I would not,
>but I will say this: Before one experiments with the
>universe to find out all its secrets, one should ask
>why they want this knowledge.
I want to know the truth, and hold the Truth as the most
basic of all ethical values, because correct moral judgement
relies on knowing the truth, not vice versa. Moralities that
assert that assent to a belief is a moral choice, and not
compelled by evidence inevitably cut off the limb they sit upon.
Falsification of evidence, conscious and unconscious, follows
corrupting both the intellect and the heart.
>I will say that each person should pray for guidance
>when trying to unravel the mysteries of the universe, and
>should cease their unravelling if they have reason to
>believe their search is displeasing to God.
>
> ---Malcusco
If there is a God, he has nothing to fear from truth.
As to imaginary gods and there followers: Be afraid. Be very
afraid.
Max
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From: ma170saj@sdcc14.ucsd.edu (System Operator)
Subject: A Moment Of Silence
Organization: University of California, San Diego
Lines: 14
Nntp-Posting-Host: sdcc14.ucsd.edu
April 24th is approaching, and Armenians around the world
are getting ready to remember the massacres of their family members
by the Turkish government between 1915 and 1920.
At least 1.5 Million Armenians perished during that period,
and it is important to note that those who deny that this event
ever took place, either supported the policy of 1915 to exterminate
the Armenians, or, as we have painfully witnessed in Azerbaijan,
would like to see it happen again...
Thank you for taking the time to read this post.
-Helgge
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From: david@stat.com (David Dodell)
Subject: HICN610 Medical Newsletter Part 1/4
Reply-To: david@stat.com (David Dodell)
Distribution: world
Organization: Stat Gateway Service, WB7TPY
Lines: 708
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Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993
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1. Comments & News from the Editor
OCR / Scanner News ................................................... 1
2. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention - MMWR
[16 April 1993] Emerging Infectious Diseases ......................... 3
Outbreak of E. coli Infections from Hamburgers ....................... 5
Use of Smokeless Tobacoo Among Adults ................................ 10
Gonorrhea ............................................................ 14
Impact of Adult Safety-Belt Use on Children less than 11 years Age ... 17
Publication of CDC Surveillance Summaries ............................ 21
3. Clinical Research News
High Tech Assisted Reproductive Technologies ......................... 24
4. Articles
Low Levels Airborne Particles Linked to Serious Asthma Attacks ....... 29
NIH Consensus Development Conference on Melanoma ..................... 31
National Cancer Insitute Designated Cancer Centers ................... 32
5. General Announcments
UCI Medical Education Software Repository ............................ 40
6. AIDS News Summaries
AIDS Daily Summary April 12 to April 15, 1993 ........................ 41
7. AIDS/HIV Articles
First HIV Vaccine Trial Begins in HIV-Infected Children .............. 47
New Evidence that the HIV Can Cause Disease Independently ............ 50
Clinical Consultation Telephone Service for AIDS ..................... 52
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Comments & News from the Editor
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Scanjet IIp was purchased this week.
Thank you to the following individuals whose contributions I just received:
John Sorenson
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Carla Moore
Barbara Moose
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Again, thank you to all who gave!
I have been using Wordscan Plus for the past couple of weeks and would like to
review the product. Wordscan Plus is a product of Calera Recognition Systems.
It runs under Windows 3.1 and supports that Accufont Technology of the Hewlett
Packard Scanners.
When initially bringing up the software, it lets you select several options;
(1) text / graphics (2) input source ie scanner, fax file, disk file (3)
automatic versus manual decomposition of the scanned image.
I like manual decomposition since the software then lets me select which
parts of the document I would like scanned, and in what order.
Once an image is scanned, you can bring up the Pop-Up image verification. The
software gives you two "errors" at this point. Blue which are words that were
converted reliability, but do not match anything in the built-in dictionary.
Yellow shade, which are words that Wordscan Plus doesn't think it converted
correctly at all. I have found that the software should give itself more
credit. It is usually correct, instead of wrong. If a word is shaded blue,
you can add it to your personal dictionary. The only problem is the personal
dictionary will only handle about 200 words. I find this to be very limited,
considering how many medical terms are not in a normal dictionary.
After a document is converted, you can save it in a multitude of word
processor formats. Also any images that were captured can be stored in a
seperate TIFF or PCX file format.
I was extremely impressed on the percent accuracy for fax files. I use
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an Intel Satisfaxtion card, which stores incoming faxs in a PCX/DCX format.
While most of my faxes were received in "standard" mode (200x100 dpi), the
accuracy of Wordscan Plus was excellent.
Overall, a very impressive product. The only fault I could find is the
limitations of the size of the user dictionary. 200 specialized words is just
too small.
If anyone has any specific questions, please do not hesitate to send me email.
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Centers for Disease Control and Prevention - MMWR
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Emerging Infectious Diseases
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SOURCE: MMWR 42(14) DATE: Apr 16, 1993
Introduction
Despite predictions earlier this century that infectious diseases would
soon be eliminated as a public health problem (1), infectious diseases remain
the major cause of death worldwide and a leading cause of illness and death in
the United States. Since the early 1970s, the U.S. public health system has
been challenged by a myriad of newly identified pathogens and syndromes (e.g.,
Escherichia coli O157:H7, hepatitis C virus, human immunodeficiency virus,
Legionnaires disease, Lyme disease, and toxic shock syndrome). The incidences
of many diseases widely presumed to be under control, such as cholera,
malaria, and tuberculosis (TB), have increased in many areas. Furthermore,
control and prevention of infectious diseases are undermined by drug
resistance in conditions such as gonorrhea, malaria, pneumococcal disease,
salmonellosis, shigellosis, TB, and staphylococcal infections (2). Emerging
infections place a disproportionate burden on immunocompromised persons, those
in institutional settings (e.g., hospitals and child day care centers), and
minority and underserved populations. The substantial economic burden of
emerging infections on the U.S. health-care system could be reduced by more
effective surveillance systems and targeted control and prevention programs
(3).
This issue of MMWR introduces a new series, "Emerging Infectious
Diseases." Future articles will address these diseases, as well as
surveillance, control, and prevention efforts by health-care providers and
public health officials. This first article updates the ongoing investigation
of an outbreak of E. coli O157:H7 in the western United States (4).
References
1. Burnet M. Natural history of infectious disease. Cambridge, England:
Cambridge University Press, 1963.
2. Kunin CM. Resistance to antimicrobial drugs -- a worldwide calamity. Ann
Intern Med 1993;118:557-61.
3. Lederberg J, Shope RE, Oaks SC Jr, eds. Emerging infections: microbial
threats to health in the United States. Washington, DC: National Academy
Press, 1992.
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4. CDC. Preliminary report: foodborne outbreak of Escherichia coli O157:H7
infections from hamburgers --western United States, 1993. MMWR 1993;42:85-6.
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Update: Multistate Outbreak of Escherichia coli O157:H7
Infections from Hamburgers -- Western United States,
1992-1993
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SOURCE: MMWR 42(14) DATE: Apr 16, 1993
From November 15, 1992, through February 28, 1993, more than 500
laboratory-confirmed infections with E. coli O157:H7 and four associated
deaths occurred in four states -- Washington, Idaho, California, and Nevada.
This report summarizes the findings from an ongoing investigation (1) that
identified a multistate outbreak resulting from consumption of hamburgers from
one restaurant chain. Washington
On January 13, 1993, a physician reported to the Washington Department of
Health a cluster of children with hemolytic uremic syndrome (HUS) and an
increase in emergency room visits for bloody diarrhea. During January 16-17, a
case-control study comparing 16 of the first cases of bloody diarrhea or
postdiarrheal HUS identified with age- and neighborhood-matched controls
implicated eating at chain A restaurants during the week before symptom onset
(matched odds ratio OR=undefined; lower confidence limit=3.5). On January
18, a multistate recall of unused hamburger patties from chain A restaurants
was initiated.
As a result of publicity and case-finding efforts, during January-
February 1993, 602 patients with bloody diarrhea or HUS were reported to the
state health department. A total of 477 persons had illnesses meeting the case
definition of culture-confirmed E. coli O157:H7 infection or postdiarrheal HUS
(Figure 1). Of the 477 persons, 52 (11%) had close contact with a person with
confirmed E. coli O157:H7 infection during the week preceding onset of
symptoms. Of the remaining 425 persons, 372 (88%) reported eating in a chain A
restaurant during the 9 days preceding onset of symptoms. Of the 338 patients
who recalled what they ate in a chain A restaurant, 312 (92%) reported eating
a regular-sized hamburger patty. Onsets of illness peaked from January 17
through January 20. Of the 477 casepatients, 144 (30%) were hospitalized; 30
developed HUS, and three died. The median age of patients was 7.5 years
(range: 0-74 years). Idaho
Following the outbreak report from Washington, the Division of Health,
Idaho Department of Health and Welfare, identified 14 persons with culture-
confirmed E. coli O157:H7 infection, with illness onset dates from December
11, 1992, through February 16, 1993 (Figure 2A). Four persons were
hospitalized; one developed HUS. During the week preceding illness onset, 13
(93%) had eaten at a chain A restaurant. California
In late December, the San Diego County Department of Health Services was
notified of a child with E. coli O157:H7 infection who subsequently died.
Active surveillance and record review then identified eight other persons with
E. coli O157:H7 infections or HUS from mid-November through mid-January 1993.
Four of the nine reportedly had recently eaten at a chain A restaurant and
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four at a chain B restaurant in San Diego. After the Washington outbreak was
reported, reviews of medical records at five hospitals revealed an overall 27%
increase in visits or admissions for diarrhea during December 1992 and January
1993 compared with the same period 1 year earlier. A case was defined as
postdiarrheal HUS, bloody diarrhea that was culture negative or not cultured,
or any diarrheal illness in which stool culture yielded E. coli O157:H7, with
onset from November 15, 1992, through January 31, 1993.
Illnesses of 34 patients met the case definition (Figure 2B). The
outbreak strain was identified in stool specimens of six patients. Fourteen
persons were hospitalized, seven developed HUS, and one child died. The median
age of case-patients was 10 years (range: 1-58 years). A case-control study of
the first 25 case-patients identified and age- and sex-matched community
controls implicated eating at a chain A restaurant in San Diego (matched
OR=13; 95% confidence interval CI=1.7-99). A study comparing case-patients
who ate at chain A restaurants with well meal companions implicated regular-
sized hamburger patties (matched OR=undefined; lower confidence limit=1.3).
Chain B was not statistically associated with illness. Nevada
On January 22, after receiving a report of a child with HUS who had eaten
at a local chain A restaurant, the Clark County (Las Vegas) Health District
issued a press release requesting that persons with recent bloody diarrhea
contact the health department. A case was defined as postdiarrheal HUS, bloody
diarrhea that was culture negative or not cultured, or any diarrheal illness
with a stool culture yielding the Washington strain of E. coli O157:H7, with
onset from December 1, 1992, through February 7, 1993. Because local
laboratories were not using sorbitol MacConkey (SMAC) medium to screen stools
for E. coli O157:H7, this organism was not identified in any patient. After
SMAC medium was distributed, the outbreak strain was detected in the stool of
one patient 38 days after illness onset.
Of 58 persons whose illnesses met the case definition (Figure 2C), nine
were hospitalized; three developed HUS. The median age was 30.5 years (range:
0-83 years). Analysis of the first 21 patients identified and age- and sex-
matched community controls implicated eating at a chain A restaurant during
the week preceding illness onset (matched OR=undefined; lower confidence
limit=4.9). A case-control study using well meal companions of case-patients
also implicated eating hamburgers at chain A (matched OR=6.0; 95% CI=0.7-
49.8). Other Investigation Findings
During the outbreak, chain A restaurants in Washington linked with cases
primarily were serving regular-sized hamburger patties produced on November
19, 1992; some of the same meat was used in "jumbo" patties produced on
November 20, 1992. The outbreak strain of E. coli O157:H7 was isolated from 11
lots of patties produced on those two dates; these lots had been distributed
to restaurants in all states where illness occurred. Approximately 272,672
(20%) of the implicated patties were recovered by the recall.
A meat traceback by a CDC team identified five slaughter plants in the
United States and one in Canada as the likely sources of carcasses used in the
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contaminated lots of meat and identified potential control points for reducing
the likelihood of contamination. The animals slaughtered in domestic slaughter
plants were traced to farms and auctions in six western states. No one
slaughter plant or farm was identified as the source.
Further investigation of cases related to secondary transmission in
families and child day care settings is ongoing.
Reported by: M Davis, DVM, C Osaki, MSPH, Seattle-King County Dept of Public
Health; D Gordon, MS, MW Hinds, MD, Snohomish Health District, Everett; K
Mottram, C Winegar, MPH, Tacoma-Pierce County Health Dept; ED Avner, MD, PI
Tarr, MD, Dept of Pediatrics, D Jardine, MD, Depts of Anesthesiology and
Pediatrics, Univ of Washington School of Medicine and Children's Hospital and
Medical Center, Seattle; M Goldoft, MD, B Bartleson, MPH; J Lewis, JM
Kobayashi, MD, State Epidemiologist, Washington Dept of Health. G Billman, MD,
J Bradley, MD, Children's Hospital, San Diego; S Hunt, P Tanner, RES, M
Ginsberg, MD, San Diego County Dept of Health Svcs; L Barrett, DVM, SB Werner,
MD, GW Rutherford, III, MD, State Epidemiologist, California Dept of Health
Svcs. RW Jue, Central District Health Dept, Boise; H Root, Southwest District
Health Dept, Caldwell; D Brothers, MA, RL Chehey, MS, RH Hudson, PhD, Div of
Health, Idaho State Public Health Laboratory, FR Dixon, MD, State
Epidemiologist, Div of Health, Idaho Dept of Health and Welfare. DJ Maxson,
Environmental Epidemiology Program, L Empey, PA, O Ravenholt, MD, VH Ueckart,
DVM, Clark County Health District, Las Vegas; A DiSalvo, MD, Nevada State
Public Health Laboratory; DS Kwalick, MD, R Salcido, MPH, D Brus, DVM, State
Epidemiologist, Div of Health, Nevada State Dept of Human Resources. Center
for Food Safety and Applied Nutrition, Food and Drug Administration. Food
Safety Inspection Svc, Animal and Plant Health Inspection Svc, US Dept of
Agriculture. Div of Field Epidemiology, Epidemiology Program Office; Enteric
Diseases Br, Div of Bacterial and Mycotic Diseases, National Center for
Infectious Diseases, CDC.
Editorial Note: E. coli O157:H7 is a pathogenic gram-negative bacterium first
identified as a cause of illness in 1982 during an outbreak of severe bloody
diarrhea traced to contaminated hamburgers (2). This pathogen has since
emerged as an important cause of both bloody diarrhea and HUS, the most common
cause of acute renal failure in children. Outbreak investigations have linked
most cases with the consumption of undercooked ground beef, although other
food vehicles, including roast beef, raw milk, and apple cider, also have been
implicated (3). Preliminary data from a CDC 2-year, nationwide, multicenter
study revealed that when stools were routinely cultured for E. coli O157:H7
that organism was isolated more frequently than Shigella in four of 10
participating hospitals and was isolated from 7.8% of all bloody stools, a
higher rate than for any other pathogen.
Infection with E. coli O157:H7 often is not recognized because most
clinical laboratories do not routinely culture stools for this organism on
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SMAC medium, and many clinicians are unaware of the spectrum of illnesses
associated with infection (4). The usual clinical manifestations are diarrhea
(often bloody) and abdominal cramps; fever is infrequent. Younger age groups
and the elderly are at highest risk for clinical manifestations and
complications. Illness usually resolves after 6-8 days, but 2%-7% of patients
develop HUS, which is characterized by hemolytic anemia, thrombocytopenia,
renal failure, and a death rate of 3%-5%.
This report illustrates the difficulties in recognizing community
outbreaks of E. coli O157:H7 in the absence of routine surveillance. Despite
the magnitude of this outbreak, the problem may not have been recognized in
three states if the epidemiologic link had not been established in Washington
(1). Clinical laboratories should routinely culture stool specimens from
persons with bloody diarrhea or HUS for E. coli O157:H7 using SMAC agar (5).
When infections with E. coli O157:H7 are identified, they should be reported
to local health departments for further evaluation and, if necessary, public
health action to prevent further cases.
E. coli O157:H7 lives in the intestines of healthy cattle, and can
contaminate meat during slaughter. CDC is collaborating with the U.S.
Department of Agriculture's Food Safety Inspection Service to identify
critical control points in processing as a component of a program to reduce
the likelihood of pathogens such as E. coli O157:H7 entering the meat supply.
Because slaughtering practices can result in contamination of raw meat with
pathogens, and because the process of grinding beef may transfer pathogens
from the surface of the meat to the interior, ground beef is likely to be
internally contaminated. The optimal food protection practice is to cook
ground beef thoroughly until the interior is no longer pink, and the juices
are clear. In this outbreak, undercooking of hamburger patties likely played
an important role. The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has issued interim
recommendations to increase the internal temperature for cooked hamburgers to
155 F (86.1 C) (FDA, personal communication, 1993).
Regulatory actions stimulated by the outbreak described in this report
and the recovery of thousands of contaminated patties before they could be
consumed emphasize the value of rapid public health investigations of
outbreaks. The public health impact and increasing frequency of isolation of
this pathogen underscore the need for improved surveillance for infections
caused by E. coli O157:H7 and for HUS to better define the epidemiology of E.
coli O157:H7.
References
1. CDC. Preliminary report: foodborne outbreak of Escherichia coli O157:H7
infections from hamburgers --western United States, 1993. MMWR 1993;42:85-6.
2. Riley LW, Remis RS, Helgerson SD, et al. Hemorrhagic colitis associated
with a rare Escherichia coli serotype. N Engl J Med 1983;308:681-5.
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3. Griffin PM, Tauxe RV. The epidemiology of infections caused by Escherichia
coli O157:H7, other enterohemorrhagic E. coli, and the associated hemolytic
uremic syndrome. Epidemiol Rev 1991;13:60-98.
4. Griffin PM, Ostroff SM, Tauxe RV, et al. Illnesses associated with
Escherichia coli O157:H7 infections: a broad clinical spectrum. Ann Intern Med
1988;109:705-12.
5. March SB, Ratnam S. Latex agglutination test
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Use of Smokeless Tobacco Among Adults -- United States,
1991
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SOURCE: MMWR 42(14) DATE: Apr 16, 1993
Consumption of moist snuff and other smokeless tobacco products in the
United States almost tripled from 1972 through 1991 (1). Long-term use of
smokeless tobacco is associated with nicotine addiction and increased risk of
oral cancer (2) -- the incidence of which could increase if young persons who
currently use smokeless tobacco continue to use these products frequently (1).
To monitor trends in the prevalence of use of smokeless tobacco products,
CDC's 1991 National Health Interview Survey-Health Promotion and Disease
Prevention supplement (NHIS-HPDP) collected information on snuff and chewing
tobacco use and smoking from a representative sample of the U.S. civilian,
noninstitutionalized population aged greater than or equal to 18 years. This
report summarizes findings from this survey.
The 1991 NHIS-HPDP supplement asked "Have you used snuff at least 20
times in your entire life?" and "Do you use snuff now?" Similar questions were
asked about chewing tobacco use and cigarette smoking. Current users of
smokeless tobacco were defined as those who reported snuff or chewing tobacco
use at least 20 times and who reported using snuff or chewing tobacco at the
time of the interview; former users were defined as those who reported having
used snuff or chewing tobacco at least 20 times and not using either at the
time of the interview. Ever users of smokeless tobacco included current and
former users. Current smokers were defined as those who reported smoking at
least 100 cigarettes and who were currently smoking and former smokers as
those who reported having smoked at least 100 cigarettes and who were not
smoking now. Ever smokers included current and former smokers. Data on
smokeless tobacco use were available for 43,732 persons aged greater than or
equal to 18 years and were adjusted for nonresponse and weighted to provide
national estimates. Confidence intervals (CIs) were calculated by using
standard errors generated by the Software for Survey Data Analysis (SUDAAN)
(3).
In 1991, an estimated 5.3 million (2.9%) U.S. adults were current users
of smokeless tobacco, including 4.8 million (5.6%) men and 533,000 (0.6%)
women. For all categories of comparison, the prevalence of smokeless tobacco
use was substantially higher among men. For men, the prevalence of use was
highest among those aged 18-24 years (Table 1); for women, the prevalence was
highest among those aged greater than or equal to 75 years. The prevalence of
smokeless tobacco use among men was highest among American Indians/Alaskan
Natives and whites; the prevalence among women was highest among American
Indians/Alaskan Natives and blacks. Among both men and women, prevalence of
smokeless tobacco use declined with increasing education. Prevalence was
substantially higher among residents of the southern United States and in
rural areas. Although the prevalence of smokeless tobacco use was higher among
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men and women below the poverty level, * this difference was significant only
for women (p less than 0.05) (Table 1).
Among men, the prevalence of current use of snuff was highest among those
aged 18-44 years but varied considerably by age; the prevalence of use of
chewing tobacco was more evenly distributed by age group (Table 2). Although
women rarely used smokeless tobacco, the prevalence of snuff use was highest
among those aged greater than or equal to 75 years.
An estimated 7.9 million (4.4% 95% CI=4.1-4.6) adults reported being
former smokeless tobacco users. Among ever users, the proportion who were
former smokeless tobacco users was 59.9% (95% CI=57.7-62.1). Among persons
aged 18-24 years, the proportion of former users was lower among snuff users
(56.2% 95% CI=49.4-63.0) than among chewing tobacco users (70.4% 95%
CI=64.2-76.6). Among persons aged 45-64 years, the proportion of former users
was similar for snuff (68.9% 95% CI=63.1-74.7) and chewing tobacco (73.5%
95% CI=68.9-78.1).
Among current users of smokeless tobacco, 22.9% (95% CI=19.9-26.0)
currently smoked, 33.3% (95% CI=30.0-36.5) formerly smoked, and 43.8% (95%
CI=39.9-47.7) never smoked. In comparison, among current smokers, 2.6% (95%
CI=2.3-3.0) were current users of smokeless tobacco.
Daily use of smokeless tobacco was more common among snuff users (67.3%
95% CI=63.2-71.4) than among chewing tobacco users (45.1% 95% CI=40.6-
49.6).
Reported by: Office on Smoking and Health, National Center for Chronic Disease
Prevention and Health Promotion; Div of Health Interview Statistics, National
Center for Health Statistics, CDC.
Editorial Note: The findings in this report indicate that the use of smokeless
tobacco was highest among young males. Adolescent and young adult males, in
particular, are the target of marketing strategies by tobacco companies that
link smokeless tobacco with athletic performance and virility. Use of oral
snuff has risen markedly among professional baseball players, encouraging this
behavior among adolescent and young adult males and increasing their risk for
nicotine addiction, oral cancer, and other mouth disorders (4).
Differences in the prevalence of smokeless tobacco use among
racial/ethnic groups may be influenced by differences in educational levels
and socioeconomic status as well as social and cultural phenomena that require
further explanation. For example, targeted marketing practices may play a role
in maintaining or increasing prevalence among some groups, and affecting the
differential initiation of smokeless tobacco use by young persons (5,6).
In this report, one concern is that nearly one fourth of current
smokeless tobacco users also smoke cigarettes. In the 1991 NHIS-HPDP, the
prevalence of cigarette smoking was higher among former smokeless tobacco
users than among current and never smokeless tobacco users. In a previous
study among college students, 18% of current smokeless tobacco users smoked
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occasionally (7). In addition, approximately 7% of adults who formerly smoked
reported substituting other tobacco products for cigarettes in an effort to
stop smoking (8). Health-care providers should recognize the potential health
implications of concurrent smokeless tobacco and cigarette use.
The national health objectives for the year 2000 have established special
population target groups for the reduction of the prevalence of smokeless
tobacco use, including males aged 12-24 years (to no more than 4% by the year
2000 objective 3.9) and American Indian/Alaskan Native youth (to no more
than 10% by the year 2000 objective 3.9a) (9). Strategies to lower the
prevalence of smokeless tobacco use include continued monitoring of smokeless
tobacco use, integrating smoking and smokeless tobacco-control efforts,
enforcing laws that restrict minors' access to tobacco, making excise taxes
commensurate with those on cigarettes, encouraging health-care providers to
routinely provide cessation advice and follow-up, providing school-based
prevention and cessation interventions, and adopting policies that prohibit
tobacco use on school property and at school-sponsored events (5).
References
1. Office of Evaluations and Inspections. Spit tobacco and youth. Washington,
DC: US Department of Health and Human Services, Office of the Inspector
General, 1992; DHHS publication no. (OEI-06)92-00500.
2. National Institutes of Health. The health consequences of using smokeless
tobacco: a report of the Advisory Committee to the Surgeon General. Bethesda,
Maryland: US Department of Health and Human Services, Public Health Service,
1986; DHHS publication no. (NIH)86-2874.
3. Shah BV. Software for Survey Data Analysis (SUDAAN) version 5.30 Software
documentation. Research Triangle Park, North Carolina: Research Triangle
Institute, 1989.
4. Connolly GN, Orleans CT, Blum A. Snuffing tobacco out of sport. Am J Public
Health 1992;82:351-3.
5. National Cancer Institute. Smokeless tobacco or health: an international
perspective. Bethesda, Maryland: US Department of Health and Human Services,
Public Health Service, National Institutes of Health, 1992; DHHS publication
no. (NIH)92-3461.
6. Foreyt JP, Jackson AS, Squires WG, Hartung GH, Murray TD, Gotto AM.
Psychological profile of college students who use smokeless tobacco. Addict
Behav 1993;18:107-16.
7. Glover ED, Laflin M, Edwards SW. Age of initiation and switching patterns
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between smokeless tobacco and cigarettes among college students in the United
States. Am J Public Health 1989;79:207-8.
8. CDC. Tobacco use in 1986: methods and tabulations from Adult Use of Tobacco
Survey. Rockville, Maryland: US Department of Health and Human Services,
Public Health Service, CDC, 1990; DHHS publication no. (OM)90-2004.
9. Public Health Service. Healthy people 2000: national health promotion and
disease prevention objectives. Washington, DC: US Department of Health and
Human Services, Public Health Service, 1991; DHHS publication no. (PHS)91-
50213.
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From: brian@lpl.arizona.edu (Brian Ceccarelli 602/621-9615)
Subject: To Rob Lanphier
Organization: Lunar & Planetary Laboratory, Tucson AZ.
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Dear Rob,
>When I read Brian K.'s postings, I find someone who is honestly seeking
>the truth. When I read your response here, I see condescension. When you
>reply to a post, reply to the post you quote. This statement undermines
>any good points you might have had (it was enough to make me stop reading).
Sometimes I do come across condesending, and I am sorry I come across that
way at times. Thank you for the reproach, I really do appreciate it. I'll
try to get better.
Rob, at the same time, I have also learned that some people respond to the gentle
approach while others respond only at a harsh rebuke. Brian K., so far,
only responds to the latter. And I am glad he responds at all. In both
cases of approach, my intention is to be loving. I am making no excuse
for myself if I am coming across condesending. I apologize for that.
Rob, sometimes Brian K. comes across as honest. I know this. But Brian K.
vasillates back and forth. One post looks honest; the next is
an excuse. Now he wants me to explain the universe in 50 words or less.
I think Brian Kendig is really trying but he is too comfortable with
his set of excuses.
I just want Brian K. to be honest with himself. If he really wants
to know, he will ask questions and stop asserting irrelevant excuses
which have nothing to do with my God. I wish Brian would read the
Bible for himself and come to his own decisions without being
sidetracked with the temptation to mock God.
From my perspective Rob, when I look at Brian Kendig, I see a man
standing out in the middle of a highway. Off into the distance I
see a Mack truck heading right for him, but Brian K. is faced away
from the oncoming truck. He doesn't see it. Here's is how I see
the dialog:
Me: "Brian K, please step aside before you get run over."
BK: "There is no truck."
Me: "Turn around at look."
BK: "No."
Me: "Look! You will be healthier if you do take a look at
the oncoming truck."
BK: "No. Explain to me why trucks exist."
Me: "Turn around or you will run over."
BK: "No. I won't because I like hiking and tomorrow is Tuesday."
Me: "You blind fool! Why do you choose ignorance? You have nothing
to lose if you look. But if do not look, you will certainly lose your life."
I do not want to see you squashed all over the road.
BK: "It is my life to lose. I rather not look.
Besides, a truck running over me will not harm me."
And by the way, I really have an open mind."
So is my motivation to belittle Brian, or to love Brian the best I know how?
I do not wish to single Brian Kendig out. Because millions if not
billions of people fall into the same category. Perhaps all people
fall have fallen into this category at one time in their lives. I have.
I can now see the truck behind Brian.
My hope is that Brian will look and will see the ramifications of the
truck coming towards him. My hope is that Brian will want to step out
of the way. My fear, though, is that Brian will instead choose to glue himself
to the middle of the highway, where he will certainly get run over. But if
he so chooses, he so chooses, and there is nothing I can do beyond that
to change his mind. For it is his choice. But at this very moment,
Brian hasn't gotten even that far. He is still at the point where he
does not want to look. Sure he moves his eyeball to appease me, but his
head will not turn around to see the entire picture. So far he is
satisfied with his glimpse of the mountains off in the distance.
Thank you again Rob for your reproach. I really do appreciate it. (My
wife tells me the same thing at times.) :-) I will try to do better.
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From: mmadsen@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Matt Madsen)
Subject: SE/30 acc & graphics card?
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Reply-To: mmadsen@ics.uci.edu (Matt Madsen)
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Are there any graphics cards for the SE/30 that also have, say, an 040
accelerator? There seem to be plenty of accelerator/graphics cards for
the _SE_, but none (that I've seen) for the SE/30.
Thanks
Matt Madsen
mmadsen@ics.uci.edu
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From: rdetweil@boi.hp.com (Richard Detweiler)
Subject: Re: ESPN and Expansion
Distribution: usa
Organization: Hewlett Packard
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In article <C5109u.7C0@ucdavis.edu> itlm013@dale.ucdavis.edu (Donnie Trump) writes:
>I was watching Peter Gammons on ESPN last night, and he's got me a little
>confused.
>
>While talking about expansion, he started mentioning people who might benefit
>from the fringe players they'll be facing: McGriff hitting 50 home runs,
>Sheffield getting 150 rbi's, and Glavine winning 25 games. This was,
>of course, all in reference to what happened the *other* times that baseball
>has expanded (early 60's, late 60's, late 70's).
>
>What really confused me, though, was the mention of *AL* players who would
>do well next year. Specifically, Roger Clemens winning 25 games, and the
>likes of McGwire and Gonzalez hitting 50 home runs.
>
>My question is: How in the hell will the Rockies/Marlins help the AL? The
>last time I looked, there wasn't a lot of talent jumping leagues. Did I
>miss something?
>
>Dennis Cleary
>dfcleary@ucdavis.edu
>
I wondered the same thing. When he first mentioned it, I thought he was
just making a mistake but then he said it over and over. And then in the
examples from other years, he gave stats for players from both leagues even
when only one league expanded.
So (since stats *NEVER* lie :-) ), I guess there is an effect on both leagues
because the expansion draft takes talent from both leagues equally making
every team in both leagues dilute their major league talent by calling up
players that, normally, they would not have had there not been expansion.
Make sense?
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From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Subject: Re: SHO clutch question (grinding noise?)
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA
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In article <C5H6F8.LDu@news.rich.bnr.ca> jcyuhn@crchh574.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (James Yuhn) writes:
> That's not the clutch you're hearing, its the gearbox. Early SHOs have
> a lot of what is referred to as 'gear rollover' noise. You can generally
I have one of the first SHOs built, and _mine_ doesn't make
this noise.
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From: na4@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Subject: KREME
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cornell University
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Hi folks!
Recently saw one post about KREME being a *bad idea*, but that was only
one man's opinion.
Any one else have any experience with the stuff?
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From: feldman@urbana.mcd.mot.com (Mike Feldman)
Subject: Re: OK to set 54 lbs on top of Centris 610???
Keywords: Centris
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In article <C5HvJx.DJ7@news.cso.uiuc.edu> dlbg1912@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
(David L. Berk) writes:
> I recently purchased a Centris 610 and a Mirror Technologies 19 inch
> Mono monitor. I'm wondering if it is OK to set the monitor on top
> of the CPU. The monitor weighs 54 lbs.
>
> I've called Apple. The person I spoke with was not sure but was
> going to find out and call me back in a couple of days. That was
> over a week ago....
>
> If anybody knows, please respond via email as I don't always have time
> to read this group. Thanks.
>
> David Berk
> d-berk@uiuc.edu
Yea, thanks to lots of good information in this newsgroup, I was prepared
for lots of details (even shipping time ... got my C610 8/230/CD in 5 weeks).
I guess my biggest disappointment is the lack of detail in the written
specs and documentation. The case load spec is an example -- the setup
section says Apple 14" and 16" monitors can go on top, but 21" and other
big ones can't. Why couldn't they publish a maximum load?
Now if I can figure out if there's any hope using the "partition" button
on the hard disk setup utility (do I dare just try it and see what happens?),
then maybe I can divide up the wealth among the family members a bit more
securly. The "getting more information" section of the manual suggested
trying other avenues before calling Apple, but didn't mention the net.
--
Mike Feldman, Motorola Computer Group, (217) 384-8538, FAX (217) 384-8550
1101 East University Avenue Pager in IL (800) 302-7738, (217) 351-0009
Urbana, IL 61801-2009 (mcdphx|uiucuxc)!udc!feldman feldman@urbana.mcd.mot.com
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From: bjones@TrentU.CA (NAME)
Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...
Reply-To: bjones@TrentU.CA
Organization: Trent University, Peterborough
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In article <1993Apr16.091938.6821@hasler.ascom.ch>, kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch (kevinh) writes:
>
>In article <C5H7qz.KyA@boi.hp.com>, wesf@boi.hp.com (Wes Fujii) writes:
>|> Brian LaRose (larose@austin.cs.utk.edu) wrote:
>|>
>|> : I never saw the guy. The police said they thought the motive was to
>|> : hit the car, have us STOP to check out the damage, and then JUMP US,
>|> : and take the truck.
>|> :
>|> : PLEASE BE AWARE OF FOLKS. AND FOR YOUR OWN GOOD, PLEASE DON'T STOP!!!!
>|>
>|> Sad. This sort of thing is on the rise across the country. South Florida
>|> is getting a lot of national TV coverage on the subject where vacationers
>|> are being attacked (and some killed) in schemes similar to this.
>
>Make that worldwide coverage. I know numerous people who were planning
>holidays to the Florida, and have now chosen another (non-US)
>destination. You expect this sort of thing, perhaps, in third world
>countries - but not the US!
>In response to this and other articles that have been written on this
subject, I would like to say that it is not just a US problem. In southern
Ontario last summer there were several instances along the 401 where people
(mainly truckers) were shot at from overpasses. There are many sick people
out there and it makes you wonder what the worlds coming to.
>kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch
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From: almo@packmind.EBay.Sun.COM (Alan Monday-WWCS Business Mgt. Group)
Subject: Re: Solar Sail Data
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
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Distribution: world
Reply-To: almo@packmind.EBay.Sun.COM
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Hey!? What happened to the solar sail race that was supposed to be
for Columbus+500?
In article 29848@news.duc.auburn.edu, snydefj@eng.auburn.edu (Frank J. Snyder) writes:
>
>I am looking for any information concerning projects involving Solar
> Sails. I understand that the JPL did an extensive study on the subject
> back in the late 70's but I am having trouble gathering such information.
>
>Are there any groups out there currently involved in such a project ?
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From: REXLEX@fnal.fnal.gov
Subject: Re: Certainty and Arrogance
Organization: FNAL/AD/Net
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In article <Apr.13.00.08.33.1993.28409@athos.rutgers.edu>
kilroy@gboro.rowan.edu (Dr Nancy's Sweetie) writes:
>
>There is no way out of the loop.
Oh contrer mon captitan! There is a way. Certainly it is not by human reason.
Certainly it is not by human experience. (and yet it is both!) To paraphrase
Sartre, the particular is absurd unless it has an infinite reference point. It
is only because of God's own revelation that we can be absolute about a thing.
Your logic comes to fruition in relativism.
>
>"At the core of all well-founded belief, lies belief that is unfounded."
> -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
Ah, now it is clear. Ludwig was a desciple of Russell. Ludwig's fame is often
explained by the fact that he spawned not one but two significant movements in
contemporary philosophy. Both revolve around Tractatus Logico-Philosphicus
('21) and Philosophical Investigation ('53). Many of Witt's comments and
implicit conclusions suggest ways of going beyond the explicit critique of
language he offers. According to some of the implicit suggestions of Witt's
thought, ordinary language is an invaluable resource, offering a necessary
framework for the conduct of daily life. However, though its formal features
remain the same, its content does not and it is always capable of being
transcended as our experience changes and our understanding is deepened, giving
us a clearer picture of what we are and what we wish to say. On Witt's own
account, there is a dynamic fluidity of language. It is for this reason that
any critique of language must move from talking about the limits of language to
talking about its boundaries, where a boundary is understood not as a wall but
a threshold.
vonWrights's comment that Witt's "sentences have a content that often lies
deep beneath the surface of language." On the surface, Witt talks of the
insuperable position of ordinary language and the necessity of bringing
ourselves to accept it without question. At the same time, we are faced with
Witt's own creative uses of language and his concern for bringing about changes
in our traditional modes of understanding. Philosophy, then, through more
perspicacious speech, seeks to effect this unity rather than assuming that it
is already functioning. Yes? The most brilliant of scientists are unable to
offer a foundation for human speech so long as they reject Christianity! In his
Tractatus we have the well nigh perfect exhibition of the nature of the impasse
of the scientific ideal of exhaustive logical analysis of Reality by man.
Perfect language does not exist for fallen man, therefore we must get on about
our buisness of relating Truth via ordinary language.
This is why John's Gospel is so dear to most Christians. It is so simple in
it conveyance of the revealation of God, yet so full of unlieing depth of
understanding. He viewed Christ from the OT concept of "as a man thinketh, so
he is." John looked at the outward as only an indicator of what was inside,
that is the consciousness of Christ. And so must we. Words are only vehicals
of truth. He is truth. The scriptures are plain in their expounding that
there is a Truth and that it is knowable. THere are absolutes, and they too
are knowable. However, they are only knowable when He reveals them to the
individual. There is, and we shouldn't shy from this, a mysticism to
Christianity. Paul in ROm 8 says there are 3 men in the world. There is the
one who does not have the Spirit and therefore can not know the things of the
Spirit (the Spirit of Truth) and there is the one who has the Spirit and has
the capacity to know of the Truth, but there is the third. THe one who not
only has the Spirit, but that the Spirit has him! Who can know the deep things
of God and reveal them to us other than the Spirit. And it is only the deep
things of GOd that are absolute and true.
There is such a thing as true truth and it is real, it can be experienced
and it is verifiable. I disagree with Dr Nancy's Sweetie's conclusion because
if it is taken to fruition it leads to relativism which leads to dispair.
"I would know the words which He would answer me, and understand what He would
say unto me." Job 23ff
--Rex
suggested, easy reading about epistimology: "He is there and He is not Silent"
by Francis Schaeffer.
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From: wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (William December Starr)
Subject: Re: Debating special "hate crimes" laws
Organization: Northeastern Law, Class of '93
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In-reply-to: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
In article <1993Apr4.235546.6450@midway.uchicago.edu>,
thf2@midway.uchicago.edu said:
> > This sort [of] separate treatment by the law has no place in an
> > equal society; the solution to the fact that some classes are more
> > vulnerable to attack or discrimination is to do what has always
> > been done in response to imbalances in criminal activity and
> > citizen protection: to allocate _law enforcement_ resources to
> > more efficiently and effectively deal with the problems, not to
> > rewrite the _law_ itself. [wdstarr]
>
> So how do you feel about increased penalties for killing a policeman?
> A federal employee? Or to use both Scalia's and Stevens's example,
> increased penalties for threatening the president? (I'm assuming
> that, like all good people, you oppose the marital exemption for rape,
> so I won't bring that up.)
In order of your questions, I oppose it, I oppose it, I oppose it and
(Huh? Wha? Where did _that_ topic come from and what's it got to do
with the discussion at hand? :-)
When I was discussing the concept of different criminal laws for crimes
against different classes of people (and yes, I do consider laws which
allow/mandate enhanced penalties following conviction based upon the
convict's attitudes towards the class membership of the victim to fit
into that category), the category of classes I had in mind was that of
the standard civil rights discussion -- classes based upon race, gender,
ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation, etc. Having you ask about
classes based upon one's _profession_ rather than one's personal
characteristics caught me off guard, and I had to think out the question
from scratch.
What I finally decided was that the law should not recognize such
classes because to do so would be to formally and officially declare
some people to be of more worth than others, and that would be anathema
to the underlying American concept of equal treatment under the law.
Last year, when a federal crime bill was under consideration which would
have expanded the federal death penalty to an additional fifty-plus
crimes, including the murder of various federal officers hitherto not
protected by that "aura of deterrence," critics pointed out the
absurdity of having laws which made the death penalty available for the
murder of a federal postal inspector but not for ther murder of a
civilian teacher, when the latter [arguably] provided a much more
valueable service and therefore would be the greater loss to society.
This was an emotionally compelling argument, but even the proponents of
that viewpoint appeared to tacitly assume that the state should judge
some lives as being more valuable than others on the basis of their
"contribution to society." I view that doctrine as being both (a)
personally repugnant and (b) repugnant to the Equal Protection clause of
the 14th Amendment.
Accordingly, I believe that there should be no laws which give any
profession-based class of people special protection (via the mechanism
of supplying stronger statutory deterrence of crimes against members of
that class), not even police officers, federal officers or high-ranking
members of the Executive Branch of the federal government.
-- William December Starr <wdstarr@athena.mit.edu>
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From: halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat)
Subject: Re: A silly question on x-tianity
Reply-To: halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat)
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In article <1993Apr14.175557.20296@daffy.cs.wisc.edu>, mccullou@snake2.cs.wisc.edu (Mark McCullough) writes:
>Sorry to insult your homestate, but coming from where I do, Wisconsin
>is _very_ backwards. I was never able to understand that people actually
>held such bigoted and backwards views until I came here.
I have never been to Wisconsin, though I have been to
neighbor Minnesota. Being a child of the Middle Atlantic (NY, NJ, PA)
I found that there were few states in the provences that stood
out in this youngster's mind: California, Texas, and Florida to
name the most obvious three. However, both Minnesota and Wisconsin
stuck out, solely on the basis of their politics. Both have
always translated to extremely liberal and progressive states.
And my recent trip to Minnestoa last summer served to support that
state's reputation. My guess is that Wisconsin is probably the
same. At least that was the impression the people of Minnesota left
with me about their neighbors.
The only question in my head about Wisconsin, though, is
whether or not there is a cause-effect relationship between
cheese and serial killers :)
-jim halat
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From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)
Subject: Re: japanese moon landing?
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology
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In article <C5Kys1.C6r@panix.com> dannyb@panix.com (Daniel Burstein) writes:
>A short story in the newspaper a few days ago made some sort of mention
>about how the Japanese, using what sounded like a gravity assist, had just
>managed to crash (or crash-land) a package on the moon.
Their Hiten engineering-test mission spent a while in a highly eccentric
Earth orbit doing lunar flybys, and then was inserted into lunar orbit
using some very tricky gravity-assist-like maneuvering. This meant that
it would crash on the Moon eventually, since there is no such thing as
a stable lunar orbit (as far as anyone knows), and I believe I recall
hearing recently that it was about to happen.
--
All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology
- Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry
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From: etxmst@sta.ericsson.se (Markus Strobl 98121)
Subject: Re: Photo radar (was Re: rec.autos: Frequently
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In article 2211@viewlogic.com, brad@buck.viewlogic.com (Bradford Kellogg) writes:
>
>In article <1993Mar20.050303.8401@cabot.balltown.cma.COM>, welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty) writes:
>
>|> Q: What is Ka band radar? Where is it used? Should a radar detector be
>|> able to handle it?
>|>
>|> A: Ka band has recently been made available by the FCC for use in the US
>|> in so-called photo-radar installations. In these installations, a
>|> low-powered beam is aimed across the road at a 45 degree angle to the
>|> direction of traffic, and a picture is taken of vehicles which the
>|> radar unit determines to have been in violation of the speed limit.
>|> Tickets are mailed to the owner of the vehicle. Because of the low
>|> power and the 45 degree angle, many people believe that a radar
>|> detector cannot give reasonable warning of a Ka band radar unit,
>|> although some manufacturers of radar detectors have added such
>|> capability anyway. The number of locales where photo-radar is in use
>|> is limited, and some question the legality of such units. Best advice:
>|> learn what photo radar units look like, and keep track of where they
>|> are used (or else, don't speed.)
>
>Photo radar and mailed tickets make no sense at all. Speeding is a moving
>violation, committed by the operator, not the owner. The owner may be a
>rental agency, a dealer, a private party, or a government agency. As long
>as the owner has no reason to expect the operator will be driving illegally
>or unsafely, the owner cannot be held responsible for what the operator does.
>The car may even have been driven without the owner's knowledge or consent.
>I can't believe a mailed ticket, where the driver is not identified, would
>stand up in court. This is obviously a lazy, cynical, boneheaded, fascist
>way to extort revenue, and has nothing to do with public safety.
>
>- BK
>
We had those f*****g photo-radar things here in Sweden a while ago.
There was a lot of fuzz about them, and a lot of sabotage too (a spray-can
with touch-up paint can do a lot of good...).
Eventually they had to drop the idea as there were a lot of court-cases
where the owner of the car could prove he didn't drive it at the time
of speeding.
I especially recall a case where it eventually proved to be a car-thief that
had stolen a car and made false plates. He, ofcourse, chose a license number
of a identical car, so the photo seemed correct...
In conclosion: Photo-radar sucks, every way you look at it!
/ Markus
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From: koc@rize.ECE.ORST.EDU (Cetin Kaya Koc)
Subject: Re: Seventh Century A.D. Armenian Math Problems
Organization: College of Engineering, Oregon State University
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> Problem 1
>
> My father told me the following story. During the famous wars between the
> Armenians and the Persians, prince Zaurak Kamsarakan performed extraordinary
> heroic deeds. Three times in a single month he attacked the Persian troops.
> The first time, he struck down half of the Persian army. The second time,
> pursuing the Persians, he slaughtered one fourth of the soldiers. The third
> time, he destroyed one eleventh of the Persian army. The Persians who were
> still alive, numbering two hundred eighty, fled to Nakhichevan. And so, from
> this remainder, find how many Persian soldiers there were before the
massacre.
>
Answer: a(1-1/2-1/4-1/11)=280 -> a = 1760
Corollary: Armenians strike, slaughter, destroy, and massacre. After all,
they are not as innocent as the asala network claims.
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From: chrism@col.hp.com (Chris Magnuson)
Subject: FORSALE: RADIUS Precision Color 24x Video Card
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division
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I have a Radius Precision Color 24x video card for the Mac that fits in a
NuBus slot. The card has 3 Mb of VRAM on it, which means that 24-bit color
is possible on the card! The card supports just about any monitor scan
rate you can think of (I used it at 640x480, 800x600 and 1024x768, but it
can go higher). You can switch resolutions and depth on the fly with a
software control panel.
This is the ACCELERATED version of the card, which means all QuickDraw
calls are not executed by the CPU but taken over by the video card, freeing
up the mac processor for other tasks.
The cheapest I could find this card for when I called around last night
was $1738 at Mac's Place. I will sell it for $1250 + shipping. It is just
over a year old and never been any problem. It comes with software and the
original manuals.
Hurry!
Chris Magnuson
chrism@col.hp.com
Hewlett-Packard Company
(719) 590-2963
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From: dtate+@pitt.edu (David M. Tate)
Subject: Re: Young Catchers
Article-I.D.: blue.8007
Organization: Department of Industrial Engineering
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mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer) said:
>In article <7975@blue.cis.pitt.edu> genetic+@pitt.edu (David M. Tate) writes:
>>mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer) said:
>>>
>>>We know that very, very few players at this age make much of an impact
>>>in the bigs, especially when they haven't even played AAA ball.
>>
>>Yes. But this is *irrelevant*. You're talking about averages, when we
>>have lots of information about THIS PLAYER IN PARTICULAR to base our
>>decisions on.
>
>Do you really have *that* much information on him? Really?
I don't personally, but Clay just posted it. Yes, we do.
Unfortunately, it shows that Lopez wasn't as good an example as Nieves would
have been, since his last year numbers were out of line with the previous
years (which I didn't have access to).
The point remains, though; knowing a guy's minor league history is as good
as knowing his major league history, if you know how to read it.
>>Why isn't Lopez likely to hit that well? He hit that well last year (after
>>adjusting his stats for park and league and such); he hit better (on an
>>absolute scale) than Olson or Berryhill did. By a lot.
>
>I don't know. You tell me. What percentage of players reach or
>exceed their MLE's *in their rookie season*? We're talking about
>1993, you know.
The MLE is not a *projection*, it's an *equivalence*. It's a "this is how
well he hit *last* year, in major league terms" rating. So, in essence, he
has *already* reached it. I would guess (Bob? Clay?) that essentially half
of all players surpass their previous MLEs in their rookie seasons. Maybe
more than half, since all of these players are young and improving.
>If that were your purpose, maybe. Offerman spent 1992 getting
>acclimated, if you will. The Dodgers as a team paid a big price
>that season.
Did they? Offerman may have been the difference between 4th or 5th place
and last place, but no more.
>Perhaps they will reap the benefits down the road.
>Do you really think they would have done what they did if they
>were competing for a pennant?
Sure; they didn't have anyone better. I suppose they might have gutted the
farm system to acquire Jay Bell or Spike Owen or somebody if they were really
in contention.
>>The point was not that 17 AB is a significant sample, but rather that he
>>hadn't done anything in spring training to cause even a blockhead manager
>>to question whether his minor league numbers were for real, or to send him
>>down "until he gets warmed up".
>
>For a stat-head, I'm amazed that you put any credence in spring
>training.
If you'd read what I wrote, you'd be less amazed. Nowhere do I claim to put
any credence in spring training. Quite the contrary; I said that Lopez hadn't
done anything that even the bozos who *do* put credence in spring training
could interpret as "failure". Just because I think spring training numbers
are meaningless doesn't mean that Bobby Cox does; it's just a case of ruling
out one possible explanation for sending Lopez down.
>>>The kid *will* improve playing at AAA,
>>
>>Just like Keith Mitchell did?
>
>Wait a minute. I missed something here.
Keith Mitchell did very very well at AA, AAA, and the majors over a season,
then did very, very poorly for a year in AAA.
--
David M. Tate | (i do not know what it is about you that closes
posing as: | and opens; only something in me understands
e e (can | the pocket of your glove is deeper than Pete Rose's)
dy) cummings | nobody, not even Tim Raines, has such soft hands
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From: smithr@teecs.UUCP (Robert Smith)
Subject: Re: Conductive Plastic, what happened?
Organization: Litton Systems, Toronto ONT
Lines: 7
If you're thinking of reactive polymers they're making ESD safe
contauiners out of it. As far as being conductive goes anything with
a resistance less than 10 to the fouthrth power ohms per cubic measure
is classed as conductive per MIL-STD-1686 for ESD protection. My $0.02
($0.016 US).
Bob.
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From: klee@synoptics.com (Ken Lee)
Subject: Re: transparent widgets--how?
Reply-To: klee@synoptics.com
Organization: SynOptics Communications, Santa Clara CA
Lines: 17
Nntp-Posting-Host: bugsbunny.synoptics.com
In article AA16720@ntep2.ntep.tmg.nec.co.jp, cerna@ntep.tmg.nec.co.JP (Alexander Cerna (SV)) writes:
>I need to write an application which does annotation notes
>on existing documents. The annotation could be done several
>times by different people. The idea is something like having
>several acetate transparencies stacked on top of each other
>so that the user can see through all of them. I've seen
>something like this being done by the oclock client.
>Could someone please tell me how to do it in Xt?
>Thank you very much.
The oclock widget was written using the SHAPE extension.
You can do the same in your widgets. Few current widgets
support SHAPE, so you'll have to subclass them to add that
functionality.
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Ken Lee, klee@synoptics.com
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Subject: WIN/DOS Misc. Software
From: michael.leonard@exchange.wyvern.com (Michael Leonard)
Distribution: world
Organization: EXCHANGE BBS *21 Nodes* Tidewaters "Window to the World" 14.4bis (804)552-1010
Lines: 75
Help me make money for a new modem
$180.00 takes it ALL
***** SHIPPING NOT INCLUDED IN PRICE *****
* All original documentation & disks are include.
Some software unregistered, others will have letter for transfer
of ownership.
* Will sell software seperately, purchase must be greater than
$30.00.
* Purchases over $60.00 get choice of two (2) software selections
with "*" footnote
W - Windows 3.x version
D - DOS version
R - Registered (letter of transfer)
U - Unregistered
* - Special offer
MS Windows 3.0
MS Windows 3.0 Resource Kit (bound ed.). . . . . . . . . . $ 15.00 WR
Norton Desktop for Windows 1.0. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 15.00 WR
MS Excel 4.0. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 70.00 WR
Gateway 2000 version (all docs & disks MS)
This is the real thing, it only shipped
with my computer!!
MicroCourier 1.0. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 15.00 WU
Communucations software
MS Entertainment Pack I. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $ 10.00*WR
MicroProse's Gunship 2000 (VGA only). . . . . . . . . . . .$ 20.00 DU
Links 386-PRO. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $ 25.00 DR
Includes Bountiful Golf Course
Wing Commander II
(Vengeance of the Kilrathi!). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 20.00 DR
F-15 Strike Eagle II. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 10.00*DR
Risk (EGA). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 8.00*DU
EasyFlow 6.0. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 35.00 DU
Brand new - Never used
Quicken 4.0. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $ 15.00 DR
Franklin Language Master. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 10.00*DR
Not a spell checker, but a dictionary
TSR that pops up for any DOS app.
Each word has direct link to the thesaurus
IBM DOS 4.00. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 10.00*DR
TOTAL. . . . . $313.00
- DISCOUNT. . . .$133.00
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YOUR COST. . . $180.00
Call Michael @ (804) 486-7018 any day between 10a & 10p est. or leave
E-mail. Thanks!
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þ VbReader V1.4 þ*** BUSH Presidency ABORTED - RECOVERY Hopeful!!! ***
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From: betz@gozer.idbsu.edu (Andrew Betz)
Subject: Randy Weaver trial update: Day 4.
Nntp-Posting-Host: gozer
Organization: SigSauer Fan Club
Lines: 87
Note: These trial updates are summarized from reports in the
_Idaho Statesman_ and the local NBC affiliate television
station, KTVB Channel 7.
Randy Weaver/Kevin Harris trial update: Day 4.
Friday, April 16, 1993 was the fourth day of the trial.
Synopsis: Defense attorney Gerry Spence cross-examined agent
Cooper under repeated objections from prosecutor Ronald
Howen. Spence moved for a mistrial but was denied.
The day was marked by a caustic cross-examination of Deputy
Marshal Larry Cooper by defense attorney Gerry Spence. Although
Spence has not explicitly stated so, one angle of his stategy
must involve destroying the credibility of agent Cooper. Cooper is
the government's only eyewitness to the death of agent Degan.
Spence attacked Cooper's credibility by pointing out discrepancies
between Cooper's statements last September and those made in court.
Cooper conceded that, "You have all these things compressed into
a few seconds...It's difficult to remember what went on first."
Cooper acknowledged that he carried a "9mm Colt Commando submachine
gun with a silenced barrel." [I thought a Colt Commando was a revolver!]
Cooper continued by stating that the federal agents had no specific
plans to use the weapon when they started to kill Weaver's dog.
When Spence asked how seven cartridges could be fired by Degan's
M-16 rifle when Degan was apparently dead, Cooper could not say for
sure that Degan did not return fire before going down.
Spence continued by asking with how many agents (and to what extent)
had Cooper discussed last August's events, Cooper responded, "If
you're implying that we got our story together, you're wrong,
counselor." Spence continued to advance the defense's version of
the events: Namely, that a marshal had started the shooting by
killing the Weaver's dog. Cooper disagreed.
Assistant U.S. Attorney Ronald Howen repeatedly objected to Spence's
virulent cross-examination of agent Cooper, arguing that the questions
were repetitive and Spence was wasting time. Howen also complained
that Spence was improperly using a cross-examination to advance the
defense's version of the events. U.S. District Judge Edward Lodge
sustained many of the objections; however, both lawyers persisted
until Judge Lodge had the jury leave the room and proceded to
admonish both attorneys. "I'm not going to play games with either
counsel. This has been a personality problem from day 1, so start
acting like professionals."
Spence told the judge that, "When all the evidence is in, we'll see
that ... his [agent Larry Cooper] testimony is not credible, that
he was panicked and cannot remember the sequence of events."
Spence continued, "We're going to find...that there is a very unlikely
similarity - almost as if it had come out of a cookie cutter - between
the testimony of Mr. Cooper and the other witnesses."
Spence then moved for a mistrial on the grounds that Howen's repeated
objections would prevent a fair trial, "We can't have a fair trial if the
jury believes I'm some sort of charlatan, if the jury believes I'm
bending the rules or engaging in some delaying tactic or that I'm
violating court orders."
Judge Lodge called the notion that his repeated sustainings of Howen's
objections had somehow prejudiced the jury was "preposterous" and
denied the motion for a mistrial. Lodge did tell Howen to restrict
his comments when objecting.
The trial resumed with the prosecution calling FBI Special Agent Greg
Rampton. The prosecution's purpose was simply to introduce five
weapons found in the cabin as evidence: However, the defense seized
on the opportunity to further address Cooper's credibility.
Defense attorney Ellison Matthews (Harris' other attorney) questioned
Rampton about the dog. Rampton stated that there were no specific
plans to kill the Weaver's dog without being detected. Matthews then
had Rampton read a Septtember 15, 1992 transcript in which Rampton
had said that Cooper had said that the purpose of the silenced weapon
was to kill the dog without being detected, if the dog chased them.
Rampton then acknowledged that he believed that Cooper had said that,
but he could not remember when. He then stated that, "I did not conduct
the primary interview with Deputy Cooper, but I have had conversations
with him since the interview was conducted."
Monday, April 19, 1993 will begin the fifth day of the trial. Scheduled
is the continued cross-examination of FBI agent Greg Rampton.
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From: daz1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DEMOSTHENIS A. ZEPPOS)
Subject: Re: Integra GSR
Article-I.D.: ns1.1993Apr5.234729.100387
Organization: Lehigh University
Lines: 67
In article <3mwF2B1w165w@njcc.wisdom.bubble.org>, jonc@njcc.wisdom.bubble.org (J
on Cochran) writes:
>> > I'd like to add the Beretta GTZ as a car which will kick GS-R butt
>> >anyday, and it's a lot cheaper to boot
>>
>> I will take this one with a definate grain of salt. Performance data shows a
>>
>> If this poster has some proof(other than "my friend blew one away last week"
>
>
> Want proof? Here is some data on acceleration and handling from
>Motor Trend (apr '93).
>
> Integra GS-R Beretta GTZ
>
>0-60 7.7 7.7
>1/4 mile 16.0/88.1 16.1/87.8
>L acc (g's) .84 .86
>Slalom 63.7 68.4
>***WRONG***
Why don't you look again at Motor Trend's, slalom times, they are 67.9, right
along with the Integra, and the car does that with small 14 inch tires that
are all -weather XGTV4, not to mention that the Integra rides alot better than
a Beretta.
Your acceleartion times also vary, magazine to magazine
Road & Track and Car& Driver have the GS-R at 6.8 to 8.0 for Road and Track.
Also Quarter mile times vary from 15.4 to 16.1
You can't tell exactly by the numbers. Furthermore, the Integra will
definately outrun the Beretta on the high end. Car & Driver and Road & track
have the GS-R doing 136 to 141 mph, and it gets there fast.
> So, the Beretta can out handle the Integra and it can certainly keep
>up with it in acceleration. And the Beretta probably has a higher top
>speed due to the horsepower advantage (160/117 (hp/torque) for the
>Integra vs. 180/160 for the Beretta).
***You always believe those exact numbers, why don't you drive a GS-R, and see
for your self, while the GS-R has a low 117 torqye, its high gearing over a 8000
rpm make up for the difference (still wouldn't call it a torque moster though!)
> The biggest advantage would have to be the price. The Integra costs
>$19,111 (as tested Motor Trend), the GTZ costs $16,134 (as tested). The
>GTZ also has standard nicities and Airbag and Antilock brakes. An airbag
>is not available on the Integra and lower models do not have ABS.
>Considering you save almost $3,000 dollars for the Beretta, and the Quad4
>is a reliable engine, it doesn't make sense to get the Integra as a
>performance coupe, which is what people have been trying to make it out
>to be.
>
Quad 4 reliable, yeah, what's your definition of reliable- if that's reliable,
then its safe to say that integra engines in general are near perfect
(not to mention, a hell of alot smoother and quieter - balance shafts.The Acura has the engine
wins the reliablity contest hands down. You can rev that car all day, everyday,
and you'll never blow a hose, or crack the block, or anything else. (I speak
from expierence!)
I'm not saying the Quad 4 is a bad engine, but don't highlight reliability when you
comparing it to a Acura Engine. AND while the Integra costs alot more, it is a
better investment since it will hold its value considerably much better. And
does a nice job at being a sporty car and practical at the same time.
NOTE: this isn't a flame on the GTZ, or other GM Quad 4 products. THe Berreta
is a nice car, and puts out respectable performance and a very reasonable
price not to mention, it has an Airbag. But to start quoting figures from one
source, isn't too reliable. Read other sources, and drive both cars. While I
haven't driven a GTZ, I have driven GTs, and Grand Ams with Quad 4 engines,
(so they are similair.)
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From: goudswaa@fraser.sfu.ca (Peter Goudswaard)
Subject: Re: More Diamond SS 24X
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Lines: 23
dil.admin@mhs.unc.edu (Dave Laudicina) writes:
>Has anyone experienced a faint shadow at all resolutions using this
>card. Is only in Windows. I have replaced card and am waiting on
>latest drivers. Also have experienced General Protection Fault Errors
>in WSPDPSF.DRV on Winword Tools Option menu and in WINFAX setup.
>I had a ATI Ultra but was getting Genral Protection Fault errors
>in an SPSS application. These card manufactures must have terrible
>quality control to let products on the market with so many bugs.
>What a hassle. Running on Gateway 2000 DX2/50.
>Thx Dave L
Might the problem not be with the video monitor instead? Many of our
monitors, as they age, develop shadows on white and bright colors.
--
Peter Goudswaard _________ _________
goudswaa@sfu.ca (preferred) | | __/^\__ | |
pgoudswa@cln.etc.bc.ca | | \ / | |
pgoudswa@cue.bc.ca | | _/\_\ /_/\_ | |
| | > < | |
"There's no gift like the present" | >_________< | |
- Goudswaard's observation |_________| | |_________|
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From: raible@nas.nasa.gov (Eric Raible)
Subject: Re: Need advice for riding with someone on pillion
In-Reply-To: rwert@well.sf.ca.us's message of 21 Apr 93 01:07:56 GMT
Organization: Applied Research Office, NASA Ames Research Center
Reply-To: raible@nas.nasa.gov
Distribution: na
Lines: 22
In article <C5t759.DsC@well.sf.ca.us> rwert@well.sf.ca.us (Bob Wert) writes:
I need some advice on having someone ride pillion with me on my 750 Ninja.
This will be the the first time I've taken anyone for an extended ride
(read: farther than around the block :-). We'll be riding some twisty,
fairly bumpy roads (the Mines Road-Mt.Hamilton Loop for you SF Bay Areans).
I'd say this is a very bad idea - you should start out with something
much mellower so that neither one of you get in over your head.
That particular road requires full concentration - not the sort of
thing you want to take a passenger on for the first time.
Once you both decide that you like riding together, and want to do
something longer and more challenging, *then* go for a hard core road
like Mines-Mt. Hamilton.
In any case, it's *your* (moral) responsibility to make sure that she
has proper gear that fits - especially if you're going sport
riding.
- Eric
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From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Subject: Re: HELP for Kidney Stones ..............
Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science
Lines: 17
In article <1993Apr21.143910.5826@wvnvms.wvnet.edu> pk115050@wvnvms.wvnet.edu writes:
>My girlfriend is in pain from kidney stones. She says that because she has no
>medical insurance, she cannot get them removed.
>
>My question: Is there any way she can treat them herself, or at least mitigate
>their effects? Any help is deeply appreciated. (Advice, referral to literature,
Morphine or demerol is about the only effective way of stopping pain
that severe. Obviously, she'll need a prescription to get such drugs.
Can't she go to the county hospital or something?
--
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Gordon Banks N3JXP | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and
geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."
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From: pmy@vivaldi.acc.virginia.edu (Pete Yadlowsky)
Subject: Re: Who's next? Mormons and Jews?
Organization: University of Virginia
Lines: 14
John Berryhill, Ph.D. writes
>I don't know who's next, but I hope it's people who pick their noses
>while driving.
umm, please don't lump us all together. It's those blatant,
fundamentalist pickers that give the rest of us a bad name. Some of
us try very hard to be discreet and stay alert.
--
Peter M. Yadlowsky | Wake! The sky is light!
Academic Computing Center | Let us to the Net again...
University of Virginia | Companion keyboard.
pmy@Virginia.EDU | - after Basho
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From: N020BA@tamvm1.tamu.edu
Subject: Help! Need 3-D graphics code/package for DOS!!!
Organization: Texas A&M University
Lines: 7
NNTP-Posting-Host: tamvm1.tamu.edu
Help!! I need code/package/whatever to take 3-D data and turn it into
a wireframe surface with hidden lines removed. I'm using a DOS machine, and
the code can be in ANSI C or C++, ANSI Fortran or Basic. The data I'm using
forms a rectangular grid.
Please post your replies to the net so that others may benefit. IMHO, this
is a general interest question.
Thank you!!!!!!
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From: thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: Sandberg, Runs, RBIs (was: Re: Notes on Jays vs. Indians Series)
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Distribution: na
Lines: 23
In article <C5JqBy.M7A@news.rich.bnr.ca> bratt@crchh7a9.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (John Bratt) writes:
>RBIs and Runs scored are the two most important offensive statistics. You
>can talk about OBP and SLG% all you want, but the fact remains:
>
> The team that scores more runs wins the game!
> ---------------------------------------------
>
>Flame Away
So what does that have to do with RBI's? The team with the most RBI's
doesn't necessarily win the game.
Yes, runs are the most important statistice -- for a *team*. (So why does
every newspaper rank team offense by batting average?)
But for an individual player, runs and RBIs are context-dependent, and tell
us very little about the player himself, and more about his teammates and
position in the batting order.
--
ted frank |
thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu | I'm sorry, the card says "Moops."
the u of c law school |
standard disclaimers |
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From: tdawson@engin.umich.edu (Chris Herringshaw)
Subject: Newsgroup Split
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Lines: 11
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: po.engin.umich.edu
Concerning the proposed newsgroup split, I personally am not in favor of
doing this. I learn an awful lot about all aspects of graphics by reading
this group, from code to hardware to algorithms. I just think making 5
different groups out of this is a wate, and will only result in a few posts
a week per group. I kind of like the convenience of having one big forum
for discussing all aspects of graphics. Anyone else feel this way?
Just curious.
Daemon
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From: donyee@athena.mit.edu (Donald Yee)
Subject: S3 86c805 w/2MB = 1024x768x32k colors = Orchid Pipe Dream?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Lines: 36
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: pesto.mit.edu
Hi
I have an Orchid Fahrenheit VLB with 2MB of DRAM. It is an S3
86c805 based card. I had a problem for a while after installing my
second meg of DRAM for the video, and thanks to Orchid, I got a fix
from their tech support (it was jumper settings not given in the
ordinary manual. I assume it would come with memory ordered from
them, so I guess I should be glad they didn't just say "Buy the memory
from us" or something like that.)
The one thing that I was puzzled by was why there was not a
1024x768x32k color mode on the thing, either in full screen or
enlarged desktop mode. My ATI Ultra Plus can handle that, given 2MB
of memory. All the 2MB buys you on the Fahrenheit is 1280x1024x256.
Just ONE more mode. GEEZ. Had I known, I wouldn't have bothered. I
asked them why, and all I got was "Your point is well taken, but
Orchid's software developers are busy with other projects."
So, to get to the point, finally, ARE there any s3 86c805
drivers out there that can handle high res hicolor modes? I'd love to
get another card, but perhaps it will have to wait until the next
generation of cards comes out, since this card came bundled with my
system and it's not so easy to exchange these things unless they're
broken.
If you want these modes, steer away from Orchids s3 86c805
cards (ie. VLB or VA/VLB), at least until their developers are "less
busy". If the magazines are to believed, I've only seen one s3 86c805
product thus far which can handle 1024x768x32k color (Genoa?),
although evenn that might be a misprint.
Please, if there are generic or semi-generic drivers out
there, let me know where I can get them. 800x600x32k is OK, but I
coulda gotten that with my ATI VGA Wonder XL.
Thanks.
donyee@athena.mit.edu
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Organization: University of Notre Dame - Office of Univ. Computing
From: <RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu>
Subject: Re: Bosox win again! (the team record is 9-3)
<1993Apr18.233404.16702@ncar.ucar.edu>
Lines: 12
In article <1993Apr18.233404.16702@ncar.ucar.edu>, amj@rsf.atd.ucar.edu (Anthony
Michael Jivoin) says:
>
>With the "HAWK", the Red Sox definitely have a chance for the
>east this year. He brings class, work ethic and leadership to
>the park each day.
>
too bad he doesn't bring the ability to hit, pitch, field or run.
bob vesterman.
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From: Robert Andrew Ryan <rr2b+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Monthly Question about XCopyArea() and Expose Events
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Lines: 19
NNTP-Posting-Host: po5.andrew.cmu.edu
In-Reply-To: <BUZZ.93Apr19125438@lion.bear.com>
Excerpts from netnews.comp.windows.x: 19-Apr-93 Monthly Question about
XCop.. Buzz Moschetti@bear.com (1055)
> A button widget, when pressed, will cause a new item to be drawn in the
> Window. This action clearly should not call XCopyArea()
> (or equiv) directly; instead, it should register the existence of the
> new item in a memory structure and let the same expose event handler
> that handles "regular" expose events (e.g. window manager-driven
> exposures) take care of rendering the new image.
Hmmm.... Clearly? Depends on your programming model. It is not at all
forbidden to draw outside the context of an expose event. Certainly any
internal data structures should be maintained such that the visual
appearance would be maintained properly whenever an expose event happens
to be generated. This doesn't preclude drawing immediately after
updating the datastructures though...
-Rob
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From: littaum@atlantis.CSOS.ORST.EDU (Mike Littau)
Subject: Final Public Dragon Magazine Update (Last chance for public bids)
Keywords: Dragon Magazine Auction Bid
Article-I.D.: leela.1qs7o4$c2r
Distribution: usa
Organization: CS Dept. Oregon State University, Corvallis, Oregon.
Lines: 170
NNTP-Posting-Host: atlantis.csos.orst.edu
This is the final public update to my dragon magazine auction. If there
are no new bids then the current bids stand (like that's gonna happen. :) ).
After this, any updates will be by E-mail *ONLY*. The entire auction
will end as soon as the bids stop coming in. So if you want to get in
on this, be sure to bid now. All bids must be made in *AT LEAST*
25 cent increments. Buyer will pay shipping. (Unless you have any
particular fancy, it will be US mail 4th class special, with lots of
padding).
All dragons are bagged. The condition of them vary quite a bit,
so I've come up with my own condition system. Some dragons may be missing
items like the inserts. If you have any questions, feel free to ask.
*
Condition ratings - Usually this is just an evaluation of the cover, as
most of the material inside is in great shape.
Excellent - IE-"As you find them in the store"
Very Good - Still in great condition, but can tell it's been boughten
Good - On down the line
Very Fair/fair - indicates lots of use (But still "decent")
Poor - Indicates the material inside may be damaged (usually by
scissors).
A * by the condition indicates that something from the magazine is
missing (usually the insert)
I'll post another public update sometime this weekend (which will be the
final public posting, after which the auction will be by e-mail until
the bidding stops)
*
Again if you have any questions, ask away.
*
arrow $2.50 056 - Fair *- Top secret module missing - Bard tunes -
real maps
TN.DE7 $3.0 073 - Good - Forest of Doom module (detached but
included) - inner planes
ykchev $1.75 074 - Good *- Combat computer missing - 4 dragons
TN.DE7 $1.50 078 - Good/VG - Monsters - aquatic AD&D module (detached
but included) - Language lesson
geoffrey $1.50 079 - Good/VG - top secret module (detached but
included) - magic resistance
mayla $2.50 081 - Fair - High level AD&D module (detached but
included) - poison - material spell components
UCCXKVB $2.00 082 - Very Fair*- Baton races game insert missing - spell
research
TN.DE7 $1.50 083 - Good/VG - Babba Yagga's Hut module (detached but
included) - unarmed combat
geoffrey $1.50 084 - Fair *- Cover missing - Twofold talisman module
squidly $1.75 085 - Good - Twofold Talisman module - Clerics
squidly $1.75 087 - Good - Top secret module - Wildernes
geoffrey $1.50 088 - Good *- Elefant Hunt insert missing - Falling
damage - MARVEL-Phile
geoffrey $1.50 089 - Good *- Creature catalog missing - Shields - sci fi
TN.DE7 $1.5 094 - Good - Ranger changes - Creature catalog II
(detached but included)
geoffrey $1.50 095 - Fair *- Cover missing - Into the Forgotten Realms
module, detached but included
ykcheu $2.75 098 - Fair - 9th anniversary - Dragons - mutant manual
UCCXKVB $1.75 099 - Poor *- Cover Missing - Treasure trove II, some
pictures cut out
thedm $2.50 100 - Good *- poster missing - city beyond the gate
module (detached but included) - "raised dragon" texture on cover
geoffrey $1.50 101 - Fair *- Cover missing - creature catalog III
(detached but included)
geoffrey $1.50 102 - Fair *- Cover missing - Valley of earth mother
middle level module (detached but included)
geoffrey $1.50 103 - Fair *- Cover loosly attached - Unearth arcana
update missing - Future of AD&D - Centaur papers
geoffrey $1.50 103 - Fair *- Unearth arcana update missing
geoffrey $1.50 104 - Fair/VF - Marvel module - thieves - cover detached
but included
geoffrey $1.50 105 - Fair - AD&D module - invisibility - cover & back
cover detached but included
UCCXKVB $2.00 106 - Fair - Cover 1/2 on - variations of paladins -
more skills 4 rangers
ykcheu $2.75 106 - Good/VG - Variations of paladins - more skills for
rangers
arrow $2.50 107 - Fair *- Cover missing - Dragons of glory
supplement/questionaire
geoffrey $1.50 108 - Good - Mutant manual II - environmental
effects - cover taped reinforced
thedm $2.00 108 - Very Good - Mutant manual II - environmental effects
ykcheu $2.25 109 - Good - Customizing D&D classes - Agent 13 poster
geoffrey $1.50 109 - Very Fair - Customizing D&D classes - Agent 13 poster
missing
geoffrey $1.50 110 - Very Good - House on the frozen lands module -10th anniv
squidly $1.75 110 - Very Good - House on the frozen lands module -10th anniv
geoffrey $1.50 111 - Good - Murder Mystery AD&D module
ykcheu $2.50 112 - Very Good - Ultimate Article Index - Mesozoic monsters
mayla $2.50 114 - Very Fair - Elven Cavalier - remorhaz - Witch NPC class
ykcheu $1.75 115 - Good - Theives - harpies & snakes
squidly $1.75 116 - Good/VG - 3-D ship cardboard insert - wild
animals - dr who
UCCXKVB $2.50 117 - Good/VG - Dice odds - creative campaigns - sage
advice - bazaar
geoffrey $1.50 118 - Good - Tournaments/Competitions - Nibar's keep game
UCCXKVB $2.00 120 - VG/EX - April fool's issue
UCCXKVB $2.00 121 - Excellent - Oriental adventures - cardboard castle
insert
geoffrey $1.50 122 - Excellent - 11th aniversary - African beasts - druids
UCCXKVB $2.50 123 - Very Good - Magic and wizardry
thedm $2.25 123 - Very Good - Magic and wizardry
arrow $2.5 124 - Excellent - Aerial adventures - 2nd edition ?aire
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geoffrey $1.50 125 - Very Good - Clay-O-Rama! - Chivalry - quasi elementals
geoffrey $1.50 125 - VG/EX - Clay-O-Rama! - Chivalry - Quasi-elementals
UCCXKVB $2.50 126 - VG/EX - Undead
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2FVPMANTEL $3.00 128 - Good - King's Table insert game
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UCCXKVB $2.50 130 - VG/EX - The arcane arts
TFPAYN01 $2.50 131 - Excellent - Deepearth
arrow $1.5 131 - VG/EX - Deepearth
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arrow $1.5 133 - Very Good - Berserkers & Spies-Roman gods -marvel index
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2FVPMANTEL $3.00 134 - VG/EX - 12 anniversary - Dragons
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UCCXKVB $3.25 139 - Very Good - Pages from the Mages
UCCXKVB $3.5 140 - Excellent - Clerics & Healers
tbh1 $3 141 - Good - Humanoids
tbh1 $2 142 - Very Good - AD&D 2nd edition preview
UCCXKVB $3.25 143 - Very Good - DM's issue
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thedm $2.5 146 - Very Good*- Poster missing - 13 anninversary - Dragons
tbh1 $3.00 147 - Excellent - MAGUS! board game - magic
tbh1 $3.5 148 - Excellent - Fighting - Deck of Many things insert
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TN.DE7 $2.00 151 - Excellent - Oriental Adventures/Eastern
TN.DE7 $2.00 152 - Good *- Underdark - Poster missing is inside-
slight crumple on cover, only noticable under inspection
TN.DE7 $2.0 153 - Very Good - Gods
TN.DE7 $1.75 154 - Good/VG - Poster - Dragonlance story - War
TN.DE7 $2.00 155 - Excellent - Faeries - DUNGEON module
TN.DE7 $1.75 157 - Very Good - Buck Rogers
thedm $2.00 158 - Very Good - 14th anniversary - Dragons
UCCXKVB $2.00 159 - Excellent - Spelljammer - Poster missing
kohlmaas $2.00 160 - Good/VG *- Urban adventures - AD&D trading card
insert missing
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TN.DE7 $1.75 162 - Good - Haloween - Poster missing
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TN.DE7 $2.0 164 - Very Good - Oriental Adventures
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TN.DE7 $1.75 166 - Excellent*- Sci Fi (other games) - Dino wars insert
missing
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UCCXKVB $2.5 169 - Very Good - Slight crease of back cover - Misc
items featured
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insert - Dragons - 15th anniversary issue
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Cfrye $2.75 172 - Excellent - Underdark
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TN.DE7 $2.00 176 - Excellent - Elves - Giant poster inside
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intravai $3.0 178 - Excellent - Fighters & the Fighter class
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TN.DE7 $2.50 181 - Excellent - Calendar Poster - Mages/Sorcerors
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TN.DE7 $2.50 184 - Excellent - Non Player Character enhancement
TN.DE7 $1.75 185 - Excellent - Dark Sun Campaign Monsters - Dark Sun
geoffrey $1.50 186 - Excellent - Haloween - Horror
TN.DE7 $1.75 187 - Excellent - Wilderness - Outdoors
If you notice any errors, please let me know (other than slight name
misspellings, if it's close to your name, that's you. :) )
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From: alvin@spot.Colorado.EDU (Kenneth Alvin)
Subject: Re: Certainty and Arrogance
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Lines: 48
Responding to the moderator:
>In article <Apr.14.03.09.07.1993.5494@athos.rutgers.edu> alvin@spot.Colorado.EDU (Kenneth Alvin) writes:
>>
>>Choosing what to believe and rely on are important areas of personal
>>sovereignty. What bothers me is when others suggest that, in these
>>matters of faith, their specific beliefs are not only true to them
>>but are absolute and should be binding on others. It follows from this
>>that God must give everyone the same revelation of truth, and thus
>>anyone who comes to a different conclusion is intentionally choosing
>>the wrong path. This is the arrogance I see; a lack of respect for the
>>honest conclusions of others on matters which are between them and God.
>
>[It is certainly reasonable to ask for some humility about our own
>ability to know the truth. There are also different paths in some
>areas of practice. But I'd like to see more clarification about what
>you mean when you reject the idea of saying "their specific beliefs
>are not only true to them but are absolute and should be binding on
>others." If something is true, it is true for everyone, assuming that
>the belief is something about God, history, etc....
Yes, I agree. What I'm trying to point out is that, in matters of faith
(i.e. tenets which are not logically persuasive), one may be convinced
of the truth of certain things through, for instance, personal
revelation. And its certainly fine to share that revelation or those
beliefs with others. And I don't think that its arrogant, persay, to
accepts matters of pure faith as truth for oneself. Where I think the
conflict arises is in assuming that, where disagreements on beliefs
arise, all others *must* have been given the same truth, and that God
must reveal His truth to everyone in such a way that all would
honestly agree. I think this can lead to the conclusion that anyone
who disagrees with you are being sinful or dishonest; that they are
rejecting something they *know* to be truth because it is inconvenient
for them, or because they wish to spurn God.
I would say that this is equivalent to assuming that *all* truths one
holds are universal and absolute. And the problem I see with this is
that it negates the individuality of humans and their relationships with
God. This does not mean there is no absolute truth; just that some areas
of doctrinal disagreement may be areas where God has not established or
revealed that truth.
--
comments, criticism welcome...
-Ken
alvin@ucsu.colorado.edu
[I agree with you. --clh]
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From: lpzsml@unicorn.nott.ac.uk (Steve Lang)
Subject: Re: Objective Values 'v' Scientific Accuracy (was Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is)
Organization: Nottingham University
Lines: 38
In article <C5J718.Jzv@dcs.ed.ac.uk>, tk@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Tommy Kelly) wrote:
> In article <1qjahh$mrs@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes:
>
> >Science ("the real world") has its basis in values, not the other way round,
> >as you would wish it.
>
> You must be using 'values' to mean something different from the way I
> see it used normally.
>
> And you are certainly using 'Science' like that if you equate it to
> "the real world".
>
> Science is the recognition of patterns in our perceptions of the Universe
> and the making of qualitative and quantitative predictions concerning
> those perceptions.
Science is the process of modeling the real world based on commonly agreed
interpretations of our observations (perceptions).
> It has nothing to do with values as far as I can see.
> Values are ... well they are what I value.
> They are what I would have rather than not have - what I would experience
> rather than not, and so on.
Values can also refer to meaning. For example in computer science the
value of 1 is TRUE, and 0 is FALSE. Science is based on commonly agreed
values (interpretation of observations), although science can result in a
reinterpretation of these values.
> Objective values are a set of values which the proposer believes are
> applicable to everyone.
The values underlaying science are not objective since they have never been
fully agreed, and the change with time. The values of Newtonian physic are
certainly different to those of Quantum Mechanics.
Steve Lang
SLANG->SLING->SLINK->SLICK->SLACK->SHACK->SHANK->THANK->THINK->THICK
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From: pmhudepo@cs.vu.nl (Hudepohl PMJ)
Subject: Re: Searching for a phonetic font
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam
Lines: 23
weidlich@arb-phys.uni-dortmund.de (Weidlich) writes:
: I'm searching for a phonetic TrueType font for Windows 3.1. If
: anybody knows one, please mail me!
:
: Thanks.
:
: dw
:
:
: ##################################################################
: Dipl.-Inform. Dietmar Weidlich # IfADo, Ardeystr. 67 #
: weidlich@arb-phys.uni-dortmund.de # D-4600 Dortmund 50 #
: Phone ++49 231 1084-250 # >> Dr. B.: "Koennten Sie das #
: Fax ++49 231 1084-401 # MAL EBEN erledigen?" << #
Yes, I'm looking for phonetic font(s) too! So if you know one,
please mail me too!
Thanks in advance
Patrick Hudepohl
VU Amsterdam
The Netherlands
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From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian)
Subject: THE REPUBLIC OF TURKEY SOLD 400 TONES OF ARMENIAN BONES IN 1924.
Keywords: April 24, 1993, 78th Anniversary of the Turkish Genocide of Armenians
Organization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies
Lines: 68
Yarn of Cargo of Human Bones [1]
Copyright, 1924, by the New York Times Company
Special Cable to The New York Times
PARIS, Dec 22, -- Marseilles is excited by a weird story of the arrival in
that port of a ship flying the British flag and named Zan carrying a
mysterious cargo of 400 tons of human bones consigned to manufacturers there.
The bones are said to have been loaded at Mudania on the Sea of Marmora and
to be the remains of the victims of massacres in Asia Minor. In view of the
rumors circulating it is expected that an inquiry will be instigated.
- - - Reference - - -
[1] _New York Times_, December 23, 1924, page 3, column 2 (bottom)
- - - - - - - - - - - -
On the 78th Commemorative Anniversary of the Turkish genocide of the Armenians,
we remember those whose only crime was to be Armenian in the shadow of an
emerging Turkish proto-fascist state. In their names we demand justice.
In April 1915, the Turkish government began a systematically executed
de-population of the eastern Anatolian homeland of the Armenians through a
genocidal extermination. This genocide was to insure that Turks exclusively
ruled over the geographic area today called the Republic of Turkey. The
result: 1.5 million murdered, 30 billion dollars of Armenian property stolen
and plundered. This genocide ended nearly 3,000 years of Armenian civilization
on those lands. Today, the Turkish government continues to scrape clean any
vestige of a prior Armenian existence on those lands. Today's Turkish
governmental policy is to re-write the history of the era, to manufacture
distortion and generate excuses for their genocide of the Armenian people. In
the face of refutation ad nauseam, the Turkish Historical Society and cronies
shamelessly continue to deny that any such genocide occurred. This policy
merely demonstrates that in the modern era, genocide is an effective state
policy when it remains un-redressed and un-punished. A crime unpunished is a
crime encouraged. Adolf Hitler took this cue less than 25 years after the
successful genocide of the Armenians.
Turkey claims there was no systematic deportation of Armenians, yet...
Armenians were removed from every city, town, and village in the whole of
Turkey! Armenians who resisted deportation and massacre are referred to as
"rebels".
Turkey claims there was no genocide of the Armenians, yet...Turkish population
figures today show zero Armenians in eastern Turkey, the Armenian homeland.
Turkey claims Armenians were always a small minority, yet...Turkey claims
Armenians were a "threat".
In a final insult to the victims, the Republic of Turkey sold the bones of
approximately 100,000 murdered Armenians for profit to Europe.
Today, the Turkish government is enjoying the fruits of that genocide. The
success of this genocide is hangs over the heads of Turkey's Kurdish
population.
The Armenians demand recognition, reparation, return of Armenian land and
property lost as a result of this genocide.
ARMENIANS DEMAND JUSTICE ERMENILER ADALET ISTIYOR
--
David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | "Armenia has not learned a lesson in
S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | Anatolia and has forgotten the
P.O. Box 382761 | punishment inflicted on it." 4/14/93
Cambridge, MA 02238 | -- Late Turkish President Turgut Ozal
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From: mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew)
Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is oxymoronic?
Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.
Lines: 32
X-Newsreader: rusnews v1.01
forgach@noao.edu (Suzanne Forgach) writes:
> From article <1qcq3f$r05@fido.asd.sgi.com>, by livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com
> (Jon Livesey):
> > If there is a Western ethic against infanticide, why
> > are so many children dying all over the world?
>
> The majority of the world isn't "Western".
Superficially a good answer, but it isn't that simple. An awful lot of the
starvation and poverty in the world is directly caused by the economic
policies of the Western countries, as well as by the diet of the typical
Westerner. For instance, some third-world countries with terrible
malnutrition problems export all the soya they can produce -- so that it can
be fed to cattle in the US, to make tender juicy steaks and burgers. They
have to do this to get money to pay the interest on the crippling bank loans
we encouraged them to take out. Fund-raising for Ethiopia is a truly bizarre
idea; instead, we ought to stop bleeding them for every penny they've got.
Perhaps it's more accurate to say that there's a Western ethic against
Western infanticide. All the evidence suggests that so long as the children
are dying in the Third World, we couldn't give a shit. And that goes for the
supposed "Pro-Life" movement, too. They could save far more lives by
fighting against Third World debt than they will by fighting against
abortion. Hell, if they're only interested in fetuses, they could save more
of those by fighting for human rights in China.
And besides, Suzanne's answer implies that non-Western countries lack this
ethic against infanticide. Apart from China, with its policy of mandatory
forced abortion in Tibet, I don't believe this to be the case.
mathew
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From: mikey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Strider)
Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!!
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Lines: 24
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: louie.cc.utexas.edu
cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes:
:mfrhein@wpi.WPI.EDU (Michael Frederick Rhein) writes:
:
:> As someone else has pointed out, why would the stove be in use on a warm day
:> in Texas.
:
:Do YOU eat all your food cold?
Thank you for pointing out the obvious to people who so clearly missed it.
I can't stand it when people's first reaction is to defend the aggressor.
Mr. Tavares, you have a unique and thoughtful way of getting to the heart
of the matter, and I thank you for putting it to good use.
Mike Ruff
--
- This above all, to thine own S T R I D E R mikey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
- self be true. --Polonius * * ***** ** * * **** ***** *** * *
Those who would sacrifice essential * * * * * * * * * * ** *
liberties for a little temporary * * * **** * * **** * * * * *
safety deserve neither liberty * * * * * * * * * * * **
nor safety. --B. Franklin **** * * * **** **** * *** * *
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From: oz@ursa.sis.yorku.ca (Ozan S. Yigit)
Subject: Re: List of large integer arithmetic packages
In-Reply-To: mrr@scss3.cl.msu.edu's message of 20 Apr 1993 16: 47:03 GMT
Organization: York U. Student Information Systems Project
Lines: 18
Mark Riordan writes:
[a list of large-integer arithmetic packages elided]
I thought I would note that except Lenstra's packages, none of the
large-integer packages are in the public domain. As an alternative,
a straightforward *PD* implementation of Knuth's algorithms may be
found as a part of Uof Arizona's ICON distribution.
oz
---
With diligence, it is possible to make | electric: oz@sis.yorku.ca
anything run slowly. --Tom Duff | ph:[416] 736 2100 x 33976
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From: roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby)
Subject: Re: Blast them next time
Nntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: usa
Lines: 9
In article <1r19l9$7dv@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> oldham@ces.cwru.edu (Daniel Oldham) writes:
[flame-bait, pure and simple]
--
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From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)
Subject: Re: <Political Atheists?
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Lines: 13
NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu
livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
>>Well, chimps must have some system. They live in social groups
>>as we do, so they must have some "laws" dictating undesired behavior.
>So, why "must" they have such laws?
The quotation marks should enclose "laws," not "must."
If there were no such rules, even instinctive ones or unwritten ones,
etc., then surely some sort of random chance would lead a chimp society
into chaos.
keith
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From: rscharfy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ryan C Scharfy)
Subject: Re: If Drugs Should Be Legalized, How? (was Good Neighbor...)
Nntp-Posting-Host: magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University
Lines: 22
In article <1qpakjINNiq2@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (Wil
liam December Starr) writes:
>
>In article <1993Apr16.171354.3127@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>,
>rscharfy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ryan C Scharfy) said:
>
>> However, legalizing it and just sticking some drugs in gas stations to
>> be bought like cigarettes is just plain silly. Plus, I have never
>> heard of a recommended dosage for drugs like crack, ecstasy, chrystal
>> meth and LSD. The 60 Minute Report said it worked with "cocaine"
>> cigarettes, pot and heroin.
>
>Or, the government could adopt the radical and probably unAmerican idea
>that citizens are free to live their lives as they wish, and simply
>decriminalize cocaine, marijuana, heroin, LSD, etc. Please explain why
>the idea of allowing recreational drugs to be "bought like cigarettes"
>is "just plain silly." After all, it works just fine for nicotine...
>
Yeah, Cancer is pretty cool, isn't it.
Ryan
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From: jkjec@westminster.ac.uk (Shazad Barlas)
Subject: NEED HELP ON SCARING PLEASE
Organization: University of Westminster
Distribution: sci.med
Lines: 18
Hi...
I need information on scaring. Particularly as a result of grazing the skin
I really wanted to know of
1. would a scar occur as a result of grazing
2. if yes, then would it disappear?
3. how long does a graze take to heal?
4. will hair grow on it once it has healed?
5. what is 'scar tissue'?
6. should antiseptic cream be applied to it regularly?
7. is it better to keep it exposed and let fresh air at it?
Please help - any info - no matter how small will be appreciated greatly.
BUT PLEASE E-MAIL ME DIRECTLY because I dont read this newsgroup often (this
is my first time).
....Shaz....
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From: Craig.Landgraf@f88.n106.z1.fidonet.org (Craig Landgraf)
Subject: NEW CD-DISK'S
Lines: 26
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have a Computer that you can call and get the List faster.....
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From: callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison)
Subject: Re: Spark Plug question?
Distribution: na
Nntp-Posting-Host: uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA
Lines: 21
In article <mgolden.733994052@cwis> mgolden@cwis.unomaha.edu (Brian Golden) writes:
> The nice thing about REAL platinum plugs is that you don't have to change
>them very often at all. (I think like 50,000 miles!!) They might cost $10
>each, but they would save for themselves in the long run.
My T-Bird SC's manual says to replace the platinum plugs every 60,000mi.
Wal-Mart has Autolite platinum plugs for $2.00 each. Are these "real"
platinum plugs? (I had Bosch platinums in my '80 Fiesta and my dad
had 'em in his '84 Bronco--note the keyword "had." They didn't last
very long (much less than 50,000mi) before they had to be replaced.
I agree that they weren't the greatest.)
James
James P. Callison Microcomputer Coordinator, U of Oklahoma Law Center
Callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu /\ Callison@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu
DISCLAIMER: I'm not an engineer, but I play one at work...
The forecast calls for Thunder...'89 T-Bird SC
"It's a hell of a thing, killing a man. You take away all he has
and all he's ever gonna have."
--Will Munny, "Unforgiven"
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From: wirehead@cheshire.oxy.edu (David J. Harr)
Subject: Any Nanao 750i compatible Mac video cards?
Summary: I can get ehe monitor, but can I drive it?
Keywords: 21" monitor, 24 bit video, Macintosh
Organization: The programmers who say NEE!
Lines: 15
Does anyone know if a Nanao 750i is compatible with any
popular Mac video cards? I have an oppurtunity to get a brand
new one, cheap, and I am very tempted, but it will be a waste
of time if I can't drive it using a standard video card.
While I'm on the subject, what's everybody's reccomendations for
a 21" color monitor. I've heard good things about the NEC 6FG, and
of course, there is always the reliable old Macintosh 21" display,
but what are YOUR experiences.
David J Harr
Cyberpunk Software.
"My definition of happiness is being famous for your financial
ability to indulge in every form of excess." -- Calvin
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From: tfarrell@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Thomas Farrell)
Subject: Re: NC vs Hunt (Marine Gay Bashing in Wilmington NC) verdict
Article-I.D.: lynx.1993Apr15.222023.1521
Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA
Lines: 10
In article <C5HFr2.CpA@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM> mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) writes:
>
>So you feel that the defendents should have been convicted regardless of the
>evidence. Now that would truely be a sad day for civil rights.
I don't know about everybody else, but to me, they should have been
convicted BECAUSE of the evidence, which in my mind was quite
sufficient.
Tom
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From: darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice)
Subject: Re: Ancient islamic rituals
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Lines: 29
In <ednclark.734054731@kraken> ednclark@kraken.itc.gu.edu.au (Jeffrey Clark) writes:
>cfaehl@vesta.unm.edu (Chris Faehl) writes:
>>Why is it more reasonable than the trend towards obesity and the trend towards
>>depression? You can't just pick your two favorite trends, notice a correlation
>>in them, and make a sweeping statement of generality. I mean, you CAN, and
>>people HAVE, but that does not mean that it is a valid or reasonable thesis.
>>At best it's a gross oversimplification of the push-pull factors people
>>experience.
[...]
>Basically the social interactions of all the changing factors in our society
>are far too complicated for us to control. We just have to hold on to the
>panic handles and hope that we are heading for a soft landing. But one
>things for sure, depression and the destruction of the nuclear family is not
>due solely to sex out of marriage.
Note that I _never_ said that depression and the destruction of the
nuclear family is due _solely_ to extra-marital sex. I specifically
said that it was "a prime cause" of this, not "the prime cause" or "the
only cause" of this -- I recognize that there are probably other factors
too, but I think that extra-marital sex and subsequent destabilization
of the family is probably a significant factor to the rise in
psychological problems, including depression, in the West in the 20th
century.
Fred Rice
darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au
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From: wingo%cspara.decnet@Fedex.Msfc.Nasa.Gov
Subject: Re: NASA "Wraps"
Organization: University of Houston
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In article <1993Apr10.145502.28866@iti.org>, aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) writes...
>In article <9APR199318394890@judy.uh.edu> wingo%cspara.decnet@Fedex.Msfc.Nasa.Gov writes:
>
>>>BTW, universities do the same thing. They however, have a wrap of
>>>10% to 15% (again, this is over and above any overhead charge).
>
>>Wrong Allen. The max overhead charge is ALL of the charge. There is no
>>seperately budgeted overhead in any shape size form or fashion.
>
>A professor at the University of Virginia told me their wrap was about
>15%. The subcontracts I have let out and worked on for other universities
>are about the same. My employer (a non-profit research institute) does
>the same. This is generally reffered to as the fee.
>
I don't care who told you this it is not generally true. I see EVERY single
line item on a contract and I have to sign it. There is no such thing as
wrap at this university. I also asked around here. Ther is no wrap at
Marquette, University of Wisconsin Madison, Utah State, Weber State or
Embry Riddle U. I am not saying that it doees not happen but in every instance
that I have been able to track down it does not. Also the president of our
University who was Provost at University of West Virgina said that it did
not happen there either and that this figure must be included in the overhead
to be a legitimate charge.
>>How do
>>I know? I write proposals and have won contracts and I know to the dime
>>what the charges are. At UAH for example the overhead is 36.6%.
>
>Sounds like they are adding it to their overhead rate. Go ask your
>costing people how much fee they add to a project.
>
I did they never heard of it but suggest that, like our president did, that
any percentage number like this is included in the overhead.
>>If you have some numbers Allen then show them else quit barking.
>
>I did Dennis; read the article. To repeat: an internal estimate done by
>the Reston costing department says Freedom can be built for about $1.8B
>a year and operated for $1B per year *IF* all the money where spent on
>Freedom. Since we spend about half a billion $$ more per year it looks
>like roughly 25% of the money is wasted. Now if you think I'm making
>this up, you can confirm it in the anonymous editorial published a few
>weeks ago in Space News.
>
No Allen you did not. You merely repeated allegations made by an Employee
of the Overhead capital of NASA. Nothing that Reston does could not be dont
better or cheaper at the Other NASA centers where the work is going on.
Kinda funny isn't it that someone who talks about a problem like this is
at a place where everything is overhead.
>This Dennis, is why NASA has so many problems: you can't accept that
>anything is wrong unless you can blame it on Congress. Oh, sure, you'll
>say NASA has problems but do you believe it? Remember the WP 02
>overrun? You insisted it was all congresses fault when NASA management
>knew about the overrun for almost a year yet refused to act. Do you
>still blame Congress for the overrun?
>
Why did the Space News artice point out that it was the congressionally
demanded change that caused the problems? Methinks that you are being
selective with the facts again.
>>By your own numbers Allen, at a cost of 500 million per flight the
>>service cost of flying shuttle to SSF is 2 billion for four flights, so how
>>did you get your one billion number?
>
>I have no idea what your trying to say here Dennis.
>
> Allen
>--
If it takes four flights a year to resupply the station and you have a cost
of 500 million a flight then you pay 2 billion a year. You stated that your
"friend" at Reston said that with the current station they could resupply it
for a billion a year "if the wrap were gone". This merely points out a
blatent contridiction in your numbers that understandably you fail to see.
Dennis, University of Alabama in Huntsville.
Sorry gang but I have a deadline for a satellite so someone else is going
to have to do Allen's math for him for a while. I will have little chance to
do so.
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