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From: kurt@oddjob.uchicago.edu (Kurt Henriksen)
Subject: BRAKE ROTORS...CROSS DRILLING...312 702 8323
Organization: University of Chicago, Astronomy and Astrophysics
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From: rcfec@westminster.ac.uk (James Holland)
Subject: Re: Help
Organization: University of Westminster
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In article <Apr.21.03.26.51.1993.1379@geneva.rutgers.edu> lmvec@westminster.ac.uk (William Hargreaves) writes:
>Hi everyone,
> I'm a commited Christian that is battling with a problem. I know
>that romans talks about how we are saved by our faith not our deeds, yet
>hebrews and james say that faith without deeds is useless, saying' You fools,
>do you still think that just believing is enough?'
some deleted
>Now I am of the opinion that you a saved through faith alone (not what you do)
>as taught in Romans, but how can I square up in my mind the teachings of James
>in conjunction with the lukewarm Christian being 'spat-out'
>
>Can anyone help me, this really bothers me.
Dear Will,
I've never replied on this thing before so I hope it gets thru ok.
I had a few thoughts!:
"Faith on its own, if not accompanied by action is dead" - James 2:17
Faith is both belief and action.
If I say that I am a great swimmer but I never go swimming, am I really a
swimmer? and will people believe that I am?
Likewise if I say I'm a Christian but I never talk to God, am I really a
Christian? My faith is demonstrated by my action. The fact that we talk to
God proves we have faith. Satan believes in God but does not follow Him!
In a similar vein, I have recently been challenged by 1John2:3-6
v3 says "We know that we have come to know Him if we obey His commands"
I find this verse quite encouraging as it could imply that 'if we have
come to know Him, then we'll obey His commands' cos He lives within us and
we cannot help but obey what He says.
I tend to feel that as we daily submit ourself to God He will keep changing
us into the likeness of Jesus and His fruit and works will be automatically
produced in our lives.
Hope this helps.
James Holland (rcfec@westminster.ac.uk)
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From: ifarqhar@laurel.ocs.mq.edu.au (Ian Farquhar)
Subject: Re: Screw the people, crypto is for hard-core hackers & spooks only
Organization: Macquarie University, Sydney Australia
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In article <1r0ausINNi01@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> jfc@athena.mit.edu (John F Carr) writes:
>The chip and algorithm are classified. If you reverse engineer it and
>tell people, you are likely to go to jail.
I don't find this a credible argument, for two reasons. One you have
supplied below: unless I care about entering the USA at any time in the
future (eg. the Taiwanese backyard cloners - who BTW have been known to
decap custom silicon and reproduce it on daughterboards when pirating
high-profit arcade machines and the like - who wouldn't care less), I am not
going to care much about US confidentiality, am I? Only people like the
real me, who does care about travelling to various countries for business
reasons, will sit up and follow laws like this, but I would contend that
we're not the main threat.
I also have grave doubts whether an algorythm widely distributed in silicon
could possibly be called "classified." It's like handing out military
secrets to the whole world in envelopes marked "don't open me." I can
imagine several credible defences which could be employed if it came to
a trial. One would be the stupidity of the government's actions.
>Perhaps some foreign governments or corporations could help us out by
>cracking the system outside the USA. The US government could probably
>stop importation of clone hardware, but a software implementation
>should be practical.
Amusing thought: could they have employed an algorythm which is infeasable
for a fast software implementation, but which is easy in custom hardware?
In DES, the extensive use of permutation tables (trivial in hardware: you
just swap bus lines), but relatively slow in software have had a big effect
on the speed difference between hardware and software implementations of
that cipher (indeed, I suspect that Lucifer's designers were well aware that
it would be, and approved.) Certain algorythms (usually parallel search
algorythms) can be very slow in software, yet can fly in custom hardware.
I have no proof of their employment in Clipper -- it is pure conjecture.
However, as a software implementation of this cipher is something that its
designers would have been trying to avoid at all costs, then the inclusion
of such techniques seems credible.
Hmmm... I also wonder what Intergraph thinks about the use of the name
"Clipper" for this device. :)
--
Ian Farquhar Phone : + 61 2 805-9400
Office of Computing Services Fax : + 61 2 805-7433
Macquarie University NSW 2109 Also : + 61 2 805-7420
Australia EMail : ifarqhar@laurel.ocs.mq.edu.au.
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From: kschang@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Kuo-Sheng (Kasey) Chang)
Subject: Re: Canon BJ200 (BubbleJet) and HP DeskJet 500...
Organization: San Francisco State University
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In article <C64n5K.L45@vcd.hp.com> robertt@vcd.hp.com (Bob Taylor) writes:
>Justin Whitton (ma90jjw%isis@ajax.rsre.mod.uk) wrote:
>: In article <C60EKI.Kvp@vcd.hp.com> edmoore@vcd.hp.com (Ed Moore) writes:
>:
>: thomas.d.fellrath.1@nd.edu@nd.edu wrote:
>:
>: I think the ink now used in the DeskJet family is water-fast.
>:
>: I've had pictures ruined by a few drops of rain. These were colour pictures
>: from a DeskJet 500C. Mind you, it could have been acid rain:-)
>
>The black ink is waterfast, but the color isn't
>
>:
>: I use a BJ10ex. Ink dries fast, but it really doesn't like getting wet.
>:
>: --
>: /-----------------------------------------------------------------------------\
>: |Justin Whitton at ma90jjw%hermes@uk.mod.relay |Where no man has gone before..|
>: |after August mail ma90jjw@brunel.ac.uk. \------------------------------|
>: |Disclaimer: My opinions count for nothing, except when the office is empty. |
>: |I'm a student => intelligence = 0. |
>: \-----------------------------------------------------------------------------/
>
>Bob Taylor
>HP Vancouver
>
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From: imj1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Imad M Jureidini)
Subject: Re: Problems with Toshiba 3401 CDROM
Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
Reply-To: imj1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Imad M Jureidini)
Organization: Columbia University
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In article <1r25nt$oa5@ratatosk.uninett.no> hktth@nho.hydro.com writes:
>In article <1993Apr20.191255.10115@news.columbia.edu>, imj1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Imad M Jureidini) writes:
>|> Hi!
>|> I recently purchased the Toshiba 3401 CDROM. I own an Adaptec 1542B
>|> SCSI card, and I have so far failed to get the CDROM to work under DOS. It
>
>One of the ASPI-drivers (I think it's the ASPICD) supports a /NORST
>paramter, which means to not reset the SCSI bus when it loads. This
>fixed the problem a friend of mine was having with his adaptec+tosh
>3401.
>
>Regards,
>
> -Terje
It worked!!!
Thank you very much!
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* imj1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu Imad "Hexabyte" Jureidini *
* The Ultimate Knight, Grand Priest of the Secrets of the Undefined. *
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From: mussack@austin.ibm.com (Christopher Mussack)
Subject: Re: Sin
Organization: IBM Austin
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In article <Apr.8.00.59.20.1993.28493@athos.rutgers.edu>, jadaley@cwis.unomaha.edu (Jill Anne Daley) writes:
> What exactly is a definition of sin and what are some examples. How does a
> person know when they are committing sin?
>
Anything that does not bring me closer to God is a sin.
(If you think this is too strict, just consider how ambiguous it is.)
This implies that staying the same is a sin. A Christian should
never be satisfied. It does not imply that
having fun is a sin. It does not imply that sleeping is a sin.
It does imply that I sin every day.
A perhaps simpler definition:
Anything that is counter to the two Great Commandments:
love God, love your neighbor, is a sin.
Anything I do that is not from love is a sin.
The same action can be a sin sometimes and not a sin sometimes.
I could yell at my kids as discipline, all the time loving them,
considering only to teach them proper behavior, or I could yell at my
kids out of anger or selfishness.
I could post an excellent article because I am interested in sharing
my opinions and getting feedback and learning, or I could post an
article because I want everyone to realize how wise I am.
Chris Mussack
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From: steinly@topaz.ucsc.edu (Steinn Sigurdsson)
Subject: Re: Gamma Ray Bursters. WHere are they.
Organization: Lick Observatory/UCO
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In-reply-to: prb@access.digex.com's message of 23 Apr 1993 23:58:19 -0400
In article <1radsr$att@access.digex.net> prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes:
What evidence indicates that Gamma Ray bursters are very far away?
Their distribution is very isotropic and the intensity distribution,
crudely speaking, indicates we're seeing an edge to the distribution.
Given the enormous power, i was just wondering, what if they are
quantum black holes or something like that fairly close by?
Why would they have to be at galactic ranges?
Now, in the good old days before GRO data, it was thought the
gamma bursters were neutron stars in the galaxy, it was expected that
GRO would confirm this by either showing they were a local population
(within a few hundred light years) or that they were in the galactic
halo. (Mechanism was not known but several plausible ones existed)
(also to be fair it was noted that the _brightest_ burster was
probably in the LMC, suggesting theorists might be wrong back then...)
As the Sun is not at the center of the galaxy a halo
population should show anisotropy (a local disk population is
ruled out completely at this stage) - to avoid the anisotropy you
have to push the halo out, the energy then gets large, the mechanism
of getting NS out that far becomes questionable, and we should start
to see for example the Andromeda's bursters.
The data is consistent with either a Oort cloud distribution
(but only just) - but no one can think of a plausible source with
the right spectrum. Or, it can be a cosmological distances (hence
isotropy) and the edge is "the edge of the Universe" ;-)
If at cosmological distances you need very high energy (to detect)
and a very compact source (for spectrum), ergo a neutron star
colliding with another neutron star or black hole. Even then getting
the spectrum is very hard, but conceivable.
If we know anything about physics at that level,
the bursters are not due to quantum black holes or cosmic
strings, wrong spectrum for one thing.
The situation is further complicated by recent claims that
there are two classes of sources ;-) [in the colliding NS
they'd actually probably fit relatively easily into the
NS-NS and NS-BH collision scenarios respectively]
my own pet theory is that it's Flying saucers entering
hyperspace :-)
but the reason i am asking is that most everyone assumes that they
are colliding nuetron stars or spinning black holes, i just wondered
if any mechanism could exist and place them closer in.
If you can think of one, remember to invite me to Stockholm...
* Steinn Sigurdsson Lick Observatory *
* steinly@lick.ucsc.edu "standard disclaimer" *
* The laws of gravity are very,very strict *
* And you're just bending them for your own benefit - B.B. 1988*
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From: ab245@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sam Latonia)
Subject: Re: Date is stuck
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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I can't imagine why someone would leave their computer on all of
the time to start with. Its like leaving your lights tv, radio
and everything in the house on all of the time to me.....Nuts
--
Gosh..I think I just installed a virus..It was called MS DOS6...
Don't copy that floppy..BURN IT...I just love Windows...CRASH...
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From: sunshine@cco.caltech.edu (Tom Renner)
Subject: Apple IIgs
Article-I.D.: gap.1qkm6lINNrc6
Distribution: usa
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I have a basic Apple IIgs system that I need to sell. Everything comes with
original boxes and documentation, and is in excellent condition. Make an
offer; I'll consider anything:
Apple IIgs 1 meg
3.5" drive
13" AppleColor RGB monitor
keyboard/mouse/mousepad/dustcovers/1200 baud Applemodem/random other worthless
stuff.
Here's a list of the games/apps:
Games: Applications:
BattleChess System Disk
Defender of the Crown System Tools IIGS
Arkanoid II WordPerfect
Bubble Ghost Appleworks
Shadowgate Writer's Choice elite
Balance of Power Draw Plus
Marble Madness Copy II Plus
Zany Golf ProTERM communications software
Chessmaster 2100
If interested, contact:
sunshine@cco.caltech.edu
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From: dlecoint@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Darius_Lecointe)
Subject: Re: Sabbath Admissions 5of5
Organization: Florida State University
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> [Again, in the normal Protestant interpretation, Sunday is not a law,
> and worshipping on another day is not a sin. Churches are free to
> decide on the day they will meet, just as they are free to decide on
> the hour. It would not be a sin to worship on some other day, but if
> you belong to a church that worships on Sunday and you show up on
> Monday, you will probably worship alone... --clh]
I totally agree with that sentiment. But why do you have to go further
and advocate violating what God has set up? That is the question which
you have not answered from Scripture. You can worship on every day, as
long as you work. But God says the Sabbath is all mine.
Darius
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From: rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade)
Subject: Re: '93 Grand Am (4 cyl)
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
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In article <HOLCOMB.93Apr19073907@wgermany.ctron.com> holcomb@ctron.com (Edgar W. Ii Holcomb) writes:
>In article <Apr.18.12.24.26.1993.19337@remus.rutgers.edu> wilmott@remus.rutgers.edu (ray wilmott) writes:
>
> Hi all. A while back I was asking for info about a few different
> models, the Grand Am being one of them. Response was generally
> favorable; one thing often repeated was "go for the V6 for some
> real power". Point well taken, but...does anybody have any input
> on the 4 cylinders (both the standard OHC, and the "Quad 4")?
>Ray,
>
>The High-Output Quad 4 delivers 175 hp (185 for the WF41 Quad 4), whereas
>the 3.1L V6 offered in the Grand Am delivers 140 hp. I own a Beretta GTZ
ooppss...the v6 in the grand am is the 3.3. litre, not the 3.1. the 3.3 is
a downsized version of buicks 3.8 litre v6. the 3.1 v6 goes in the beretta
and corsica.
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From: tk@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Tommy Kelly)
Subject: Objective Values 'v' Scientific Accuracy (was Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is)
Reply-To: tk@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Tommy Kelly)
Organization: Laboratory for the Foundations of Computer Science, Edinburgh U
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Frank, I tried to mail this but it bounced. It is fast moving out
of t.a scope, but I didn't know if t.a was the only group of the three
that you subscribed to.
Apologies to regular t.a folks.
In article <1qjahh$mrs@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes:
>Science ("the real world") has its basis in values, not the other way round,
>as you would wish it.
You must be using 'values' to mean something different from the way I
see it used normally.
And you are certainly using 'Science' like that if you equate it to
"the real world".
Science is the recognition of patterns in our perceptions of the Universe
and the making of qualitative and quantitative predictions concerning
those perceptions.
It has nothing to do with values as far as I can see.
Values are ... well they are what I value.
They are what I would have rather than not have - what I would experience
rather than not, and so on.
Objective values are a set of values which the proposer believes are
applicable to everyone.
>If there is no such thing as objective value, then science can not
>objectively be said to be more useful than a kick in the head.
I don't agree.
Science is useful insofar as it the predictions mentioned above are
accurate. That is insofar as what I think *will be* the effect on
my perceptions of a time lapse (with or without my input to the Universe)
versus what my perceptions actually turn out to be.
But values are about whether I like (in the loosest sense of the word) the
perceptions :-)
>Simple theories with accurate predictions could not objectively be said
>to be more useful than a set of tarot cards.
I don't see why.
'Usefulness' in science is synonomous with 'accuracy' - period.
Tarot predictions are not useful because they are not accurate - or
can't be shown to be accurate.
Science is useful because it is apparently accurate.
Values - objective or otherwise - are beside the point.
No?
tommy
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From: dbm0000@tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov (David B. Mckissock)
Subject: Blue Ribbon Panel Members Named
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The following press release was distributed April 1 by
NASA Headquarters.
Space Station Redesign Advisory Members Named
Along with Dr. Charles M. Vest, recently named by Vice President
Albert Gore to head the advisory committee on the redesign of the
Space Station, NASA has announced the names of representatives
from government and industry and academic experts from across the
country to participate in an independent review of the redesign
options being developed by NASA.
"I am extremely honored to have been selected to lead this
important review panel. America's future in science and
technology and as a world leader in space demands our utmost
attention and care," said Vest. "We have assembled a diverse
panel of experts that, I believe, will bring the appropriate
measures of insight, integrity and objectivity to this critical
task."
The advisory committee is charged with independently assessing
various redesign options of the space station presented by NASA's
redesign team, and proposing recommendations to improve
efficiency and effectiveness of the space station program. Space
station international partners also are being asked to
participate and will be named at a later date. The advisory
committee will submit its recommendations in June.
Advisory committee members named today include:
Dr. Charles Vest Dr. Bobby Alford
President, MIT Executive VP & Dean of Medicine
Baylor College of Medicine
Mr. Jay Chabrow Dr. Paul Chu
President, JMR Associates Director, Texas Center for
Superconductivity
University of Houston
Dr. Ed Crawley Dr. John Fabian
Prof of Aero & Astro President & CEO
MIT ANSER
Maj. Gen. James Fain Dr. Edward Fort
Deputy Chief of Staff for Chancellor
Requirements; Headquarters North Carolina AT&T
USAF Materials Command State University
Dr. Mary Good Mr. Frederick Hauck
Senior VP of Technology President, International Technical
Allied Signal, Inc. Underwriters
Dr. Lou Lanzerotti Mr. William Lilly
Chair, Space Sciences National Academy of Public
Board, National Research Administration
Council
Mr. Duane McRuer Dr. Brad Parkinson
President Systems Technology Prof of Astro & Aero
Stanford University
Dr. Robert Seamans Dr. Lee Silver
Former NASA Deputy Admin. W.M. Keck Foundation Professor
for Resource Geology
California Institute of
Technology
Dr. Albert "Bud" Wheelon
Retired CEO
Hughes Aircraft
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From: lingeke2@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Ken Linger)
Subject: 32 Bit System Zone
Organization: Purdue University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
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A week or so ago, I posted about a problem with my SE/30: I have 20 megs
or true RAM, yet if I set my extensions to use a large amount of memory
(total of all extensions) then my system will crash before the finder
comes up. What I meant was having a large amount of fonts load, or
sounds, or huge disk caches with a control panel other than Apple's
memory control panel. Apple's cache is at 64K, mode 32 is on, and
so is 32 bit addressing. All extensions work by themselves or with the
others until I increase the memory used by some of them (with methods
mentioned above).
Well, here's my latest followup... I ran NOWs System Profile and got
this information:
%%% Memory info %%%
Physical RAM size: 20480K.
Logical RAM size: 20480K.
Size of Low Memory Area: 8K.
Virtual Memory: Inactive.
Addressing mode: 32bit mode in use.
32 bit System zone: Absent.
Parity RAM: Not capable.
Growable System Heap: True.
Temporary memory support: Present.
Tempory Memory Support: Real and tracked.
Note that 32 bit System zone is absent. Could this be the problem?
How can I turn this on? Any ideas?
Can anyone help?
Ken
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From: ray@engr.LaTech.edu (Bill Ray)
Subject: Re: Acutane, Fibromyalgia Syndrome and CFS
Organization: Louisiana Tech University
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Daniel Prince (Daniel.Prince@f129.n102.z1.calcom.socal.com) wrote:
: ... I think they should rename Waco TX to Wacko TX!
I know it is just a joke, but please remember: the people of Waco
did not ask David Koresh to be a lunatic there, he just happened.
Waco is a lovely town. I would think someone living in the home
of flakes and nut would be more sensitive :-)
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From: kerney@ecn.purdue.edu (John Kerney)
Subject: Re: FLYERS notes 4/17
Keywords: FLYERS/Whalers summary
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
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Could someone post the Flyers record with and without Eric Lindros in
the lineup
I have a guy that is trying to compare the Quebec/Flyers trade to the
Dallas/Minnesota trade in the NFL(Hershel Walker)
I just need the stat to back up my point that Eric will be one of the next
great players
thanks
john
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From: Sven Guckes <guckes@math.fu-berlin.de>
Subject: Re: When is Apple going to ship CD300i's?
Originator: guckes@medusa
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sunnyt@coding.bchs.uh.edu writes:
>The CD300 (external) is already shipping and has been shipping for
>quite awhile now.
>Demand for the units are high, so they are pretty rare.
Hm, I've got my CD drive since 921230.
>I've also heard rumors that they are bundled with a couple of CD's,
>but I can't confirm it.
Indeed, CDs are bundled with it.
You usually get nine CDs with demos of applications, games, photos, etc.
I have compiled a list of these and posted it to alt.cdrom.
I will post an updated version of this list RSN.
Sven :)
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From: jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond)
Subject: FBI Murders (was Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN )
Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access. The Mouth of the South.
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jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) writes:
>I have believed all along that they could not let them live, the
>embarrassment to the BATF and the FBI would've been too severe.
>Remember, this was a suspicion of tax-evasion warrant. There were no
>witnesses, except the FBI. All information filtered through the FBI. All
>they had to do was allow one remote controlled pool camera be installed
>near the building, and the press could've done their job, and would've
>been able to back the FBI's story with close up video, while incurring no
>risk to the press. Unless they did not want the public to see something.
>The complete lack of any other source of information other than the
>FBI really causes me concern.
>Sick to my stomach, and getting sicker from all the Government apologists
Well put, Jim. I am as concerned about the media's complicity in this
growing coverup. Can you imagine the media outrage, the lawsuits, the
investigations that would emit if the government kept the media away from
any other story? Particularly if a Republican administration had been
behind it. What's going on here?
Let's look beyond the initial blunder and examine what happened next.
I'm a student of human phychology, particularly in the area of psy-ops
because I've found some of the techniques to be useful in business
negotiations. That puts me firmly in the amateur ranks. This AMATEUR
knows that the first thing to do when sizing up the opponent is to do a
psychological profile on him. You can bet your ass the FBI had
professionally done profiles on Koresh. Koresh's behavior was
emminently predictable. It is typical of people who move away from
civilization to be willing to fight to the death to preserve their
isolation. It would also be typical, given Koresh's religious
orientation, for such an individual to interpret a government assault as
the apocalypse. Suicide is as an acceptable alternative to being
consumed in the apocalypse.
IMHO, the FBI knew all this and decided after 50 days of concentrated
psy-ops to initiate that apocalypse. I believe they chose a course of
action designed specifically to push Koresh over the edge while publicly
appearing to be acting reasonably. They KNEW that Koresh considered the
tanks to be the Chariots of Fire mentioned in the Book of Revelations.
They KNEW that sending tanks, oops, combat engineering vehicles,
obstensibly to perform "gas insertions" (love that NewSpeak) WOULD push
him over the edge.
Look at some supporting evidence. Koresh's attorney mentioned on TV
earlier today (4/20) that one of Koresh's major concern was the biblical
role of the tanks stationed around the compound. The FBI (through Reno
on Larry King last night and at the news conference this morning)
claimed to have listening devices in the compound. If that was true
they KNEW their actions were driving him to the brink. They KNEW they
were pushing the Davidians toward mass suicide. Any rational and
reasonable agency NOT interested in killing those people would, at
the first sign of preparations for suicide, have pulled completely back and
would have gotten rid of all the armor. Instead they continued with the
"gas insertion" right up to the point where flames appeared. The image
that will remain etched in my mind is that of the tank strutting back
and forth in front of the burning compound, gloating over the kill.
Let's step back and assess how this thing could have been ended without
bloodshed. This technique would have required a law enforcement agency
interested in constitutionally enforcing the law and in the preservation
of life instead of achieving a military victory and of vengence.
The way to have nabbed Koresh was simply to have announced a pull back,
abandoned the assault, torn down the concertina wire and removed the
armor, maintained covert surveillance of the compound and then exploited
his ego to flush him out. Exploiting his ego would have been simple. A
simple invite or two from the tabloid talk shows to come on TV and tell
how he whipped the US government would have been something he could not
have resisted. He could have then been nabbed when he left the
compound. Simple, clean and safe but because it would have required the
FBI to execute a tactical retreat and would have deprived them of the
revenge they sought, it was totally out of the question. Not without
all that testesterone floating around. After all Jannet Reno had to
show the world how big her balls are.
Yesterday was a sad, sad day for the American system. I am sick to my
very soul.
John
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From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Good Grief! (was Re: Candida Albicans: what is it?)
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
In article <noringC5snsx.KMo@netcom.com> noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) writes:
>>There is no convincing evidence that such a disease exists.
>There's a lot of evidence, it just hasn't been adequately gathered and
>published in a way that will convince the die-hard melancholic skeptics
>who quiver everytime the word 'anecdote' or 'empirical' is used.
Snort. Ah, there go my sinuses again.
>For example, Dr. Ivker, who wrote the book "Sinus Survival", always gives,
Oh, wow. A classic textbook. Hey, they laughed at Einstein, too!
>before any other treatment, a systemic anti-fungal (such as Nizoral) to his
>new patients IF they've been on braod-spectrum anti-biotics 4 or more times
>in the last two years. He's kept a record of the results, and for over
>2000 patients found that over 90% of his patients get significant relief
>of allergic/sinus symptoms. Of course, this is only the beginning for his
>program.
Yeah, I'll bet. Tomorrow, the world.
Listen, uncontrolled studies like this are worthless.
>In my case, as I reported a few weeks ago, I was developing the classic
>symptoms outlined in 'The Yeast Connection' (I agree it is a poorly
>written book): e.g., extreme sensitivity to plastics, vapors, etc. which
>I never had before (started in November). Within one week of full dosage
>of Sporanox, the sensitivity to chemicals has fully disappeared - I can
>now sit on my couch at home without dying after two minutes. I'm also
>*greatly* improved in other areas as well.
I'm sure you are. You sound like the typical hysteric/hypochondriac who
responds to "miracle cures."
>Of course, I have allergy symptoms, etc. I am especially allergic to
>molds, yeasts, etc. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that
>if one has excessive colonization of yeast in the body, and you have a
>natural allergy to yeasts, that a threshold would be reached where you
>would have perceptible symptoms.
Yeah, "it makes sense to me", so of course it should be taken seriously.
Snort.
>Also, yeast do produce toxins of various
>sorts, and again, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to realize that
>such toxins can cause problems in some people.
Yeah, "it sounds reasonable to me".
>Of course, the $60,000
>question is whether a person who is immune compromised (as tests showed I was
>from over 5 years of antibiotics, nutritionally-deficiencies because of the
>stress of infections and allergies, etc.),
Oh, really? _What_ tests? Immune-compromised, my ass.
More like credulous malingerer. This is a psychiatric syndrome.
>can develop excessive yeast
>colonization somewhere in the body. It is a tough question to answer since
>testing for excessive yeast colonization is not easy. One almost has to
>take an empirical approach to diagnosis. Fortunately, Sporanox is relatively
>safe unlike past anti-fungals (still have to be careful, however) so there's
>no reason any longer to withhold Sporanox treatment for empirical reasons.
You know, it's a shame that a drug like itraconazole is being misused
in this way. It's ridiculously expensive, and potentially toxic.
The trouble is that it isn't toxic enough, so it gets abused by quacks.
>BTW, some would say to try Nystatin. Unfortunately, most yeast grows hyphae
>too deep into tissue for Nystatin to have any permanent affect. You'll find
>a lot of people who are on Nystatin all the time.
The only good thing about nystatin is that it's (relatively) cheap
and when taken orally, non-toxic. But oral nystatin is without any
systemic effect, so unless it were given IV, it would be without
any effect on your sinuses. I wish these quacks would first use
IV nystatin or amphotericin B on people like you. That would solve
the "yeast" problem once and for all.
>In summary, I appreciate all of the attempts by those who desire to keep
>medicine on the right road. But methinks that some who hold too firmly
>to the party line are academics who haven't been in the trenches long enough
>actually treating patients. If anybody, doctors included, said to me to my
>face that there is no evidence of the 'yeast connection', I cannot guarantee
>their safety. For their incompetence, ripping off their lips is justified as
>far as I am concerned.
Perhaps a little Haldol would go a long way towards ameliorating
your symptoms.
Are you paying for this treatment out of your own pocket? I'd hate
to think my insurance premiums are going towards this.
--
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
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From: gt6511a@prism.gatech.EDU (COCHRANE,JAMES SHAPLEIGH)
Subject: Re: Change of name ??
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology
Lines: 35
In article <CMM.0.90.2.735315429.thomasp@holmenkollen.ifi.uio.no> thomasp@ifi.uio.no (Thomas Parsli) writes:
:
:
: 1. Make a new Newsgroup called talk.politics.guns.PARANOID or
: talk.politics.guns.THEY'R.HERE.TO.TAKE.ME.AWAY
:
: 2. Move all postings about waco and burn to (guess where)..
:
: 3. Stop posting #### on this newsgroup
;
: We are all SO glad you're trying to save us from the evil
: goverment, but would you mail this #### in regular mail to
: let's say 1000 people ????
:
:
: Thomas Parsli
And everybody who talked about the evil arising in Europe was labeled
reactionary in the late 1930's... after all, we could negotiate with Hitler and
trust him to keep his end of the bargain... at least that's what Stalin and
Chamberlin thought... I guess they forgot to teach you about your country being
overrun by the Germans in WWII, 'eh Thomas? And I'm sorry you consider outrage
at government excesses to be ####... Everytime the Israelis conduct a mass
operation against a terrorist group that is actively killing their citizens and
soldiers, the world gets indignant, but it's ok for the US to assault it's own
citizens who were a religous minority and accused of sexual deviation and
hoarding weapons... I find it real ironic this happened the same day Al Gore
arrived in Poland to recognize the sacrifices made in the Warsaw Ghetto where
the same 'justifications' were raised for an armed assault by black-clad troops
with armor support...
--
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gt6511a@prism.gatech.edu * circles, scream and shout. * for rent
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From: tomh@metrics.com (Tom Haapanen)
Subject: RFD: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.{misc,setup}
Organization: Software Metrics Inc.
Lines: 76
NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net
This is the official Request for Discussion (RFD) for the creation of two
new newsgroups for Microsoft Windows NT. This is a second RFD, replacing
the one originally posted in January '93 (and never taken to a vote). The
proposed groups are described below:
NAME: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.setup
STATUS: Unmoderated.
PURPOSE: Discussions about setting up and installing Windows NT, and about
system and peripheral compatability issues for Windows NT.
NAME: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.misc
STATUS: Unmoderated.
PURPOSE: Miscellaneous non-programming discussions about using Windows NT,
including issues such as security, networking features, console
mode and Windows 3.1 (Win16) compatability.
RATIONALE:
Microsoft NT is the newest member of the Microsoft Windows family
of operating systems (or operating environments for those who wish
to argue about the meaning of an "OS"). The family ranges from
Modular Windows through Windows 3.1 and Windows for Workgroups to
Windows NT at the high end. To date, Microsoft has shipped over
50,000 beta copies and pre-release SDKs of Windows NT -- the
actual release is slated for May/June '93.
While Windows NT has an entirely new design internally, it shares
an application programming interface with the other members of the
Windows family; its Win32 API includes the Win16 API used in Win-
dows 3.1, and the Win32s API subset (Win32 less threads, networking
and security) can be used to create 32-bit applications for
Windows 3.1.
The user interface is also practically identical to that of Windows
3.1, with the addition of logins and a few other features. It uses
Program Manager, File Manager and other applets, and generally pre-
sents an identical appearance to the user. Many of the announced
Windows NT applications are ports of existing Windows 3.1 apps, and
NT also runs existing 3.1 applications.
Thus, it appears logical that Windows NT should share the following
groups with the other members of the Windows family:
comp.os.ms-windows.apps
comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.tools
comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc
comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
The following groups are also clearly applicable to Windows NT as
well as Windows 3.1:
comp.os.ms-windows.announce
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
In conclusion, the only clear argument for the separation of the
Windows 3.1 and Windows NT hierarchies is different internal
structures of Windows 3.1 and Windows NT. And yet operating
systems such as OS/2, Macintosh OS, Xenix and Coherent all have
undergone major rewrites without having been split into separate
newsgroup hierarchies.
Further, Windows 3.1 is due for a major rewrite itself in 1994 --
when the fully 32-bit, protected-mode and with-DOS-built-in next-
generation Windows, "Chicago", debuts next year, surely it should
remain in the same hierarchy. And what, then, would be the jus-
tification for separating Windows NT from other Windows versions?
DISCUSSION PERIOD:
The discussion period will run from 27 April, 1992 to 18 May, 1993.
VOTING:
The CFV (Call for Votes) will be issued around 19 May, 1993, based on
the feedback received during the discussion period. No votes will
be accepted prior to the CFV.
--
[ /tom haapanen -- tomh@metrics.com -- software metrics inc -- waterloo, ont ]
[ "stick your index fingers into both corners of your mouth. now pull ]
[ up. that's how the corrado makes you feel." -- car, january '93 ]
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From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar)
Subject: Re: BMW battery
Nntp-Posting-Host: bmdhh299
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Lines: 31
Keith Hanlan, on the Wed, 14 Apr 1993 19:20:14 GMT wibbled:
: In article <1993Apr14.181352.6246@ra.msstate.edu> vech@Ra.MsState.Edu (Craig A. Vechorik) writes:
: >If I remember correctly, the reason that BMW's come with those expensive,
: >and relatively worthless, short lived Varda batteries, is 'cause BMW owns
: >a controling interest in that battery Manufacturer.
: What's wrong with the BMW battery? I've never had problems and I know
: numerous people that are still using the original battery in there
: 8-10 year old beemers.
Kay, my '86 K100RS still has her original battery in. She's OK
--
Nick (the Sufficiently Well Charged Biker) DoD 1069 Concise Oxford
M'Lud.
___ ___ ___ ___
{"_"} {"_"} {"_"} {"_"} Nick Pettefar, Contractor@Large.
' ` ` ' ' ` ` ' Currently incarcerated at BNR,
___ ___ ___ ___ Maidenhead, The United Kingdom.
|"_"| |"_"| |"_"| |"_"| npet@bnr.ca '86 BMW K100RS "Kay"
` ' ' ` ` ' ' ` Pres. PBWASOH(UK), BS 0002
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From: dewinter@prl.philips.nl (Rob de Winter)
Subject: WANTED: Symantec address
Originator: dewinter@prl.philips.nl
Organization: Philips Research Laboratories, Eindhoven, The Netherlands
Lines: 5
--
*** Nothing beats skiing, if you want to have real fun during holidays. ***
*** Rob de Winter Philips Research, IST/IT, Building WL-1 ***
*** P.O. Box 80000, 5600 JA Eindhoven. The Netherlands ***
*** Tel: +31 40 743621 E-mail: dewinter@prl.philips.nl ***
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From: breedsa@wkuvx1.bitnet
Subject: Tempest and Cyclone info. NEEDED
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY
Lines: 8
If anyone has any information about the upcoming new computers
(Cyclone and Tempest), I am in need of some info. Anything would be
greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
-Shawn
breedsa@wkuvx1.bitnet
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From: skcgoh@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Shaw Goh)
Subject: Re: Non-turbo speed
Organization: The University of Western Australia
Lines: 17
NNTP-Posting-Host: tartarus.uwa.edu.au
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Nic Percival (x5336) (nmp@mfltd.co.uk) wrote:
:
: Just taken delivery of a 66MHz 486 DX2 machine, and very nice it is too.
: One query - the landmark speed when turbo is on is 230 or something MHz
: - thats not the problem. The problem is the speed when turbo is off. Its
: 7 MHz. The equivalent in car terms is having a nice Porsche with a button
: that turns it into a skateboard.
:
: Does anyone have a clue as to what determines the relative performance of
: turbo vs non-turbo?? I would like to set it to give a landmark speed of
: about 30 or 40 MHz with turbo off.
:
: Cheers,
:
It should be halved that of turbo (ie 33Mhz).
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From: zia@castle.ed.ac.uk (Zia Manji)
Subject: HELP: PowerBook 160 and Caere Typist Plus Graphics Hand Scanner
Article-I.D.: castle.33950
Organization: Edinburgh University
Lines: 43
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu
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|| edited and forwarded by the csm.announce moderator;
|| please respond to the originator by email ALSO; what he
|| needs, besides a cable that works, is a phone-number and
|| AppleLink address for Caere - and a smile and a pat on the
|| back... :-)
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Please, I beg you. If you know anything about the Caere Typist Plus
Graphics Hand Scanner, Please read and solve my problem. I will be
truely grateful for the rest of my life!
The problem is that My Caere Typist Plus Graphics Hand Scanner will not
connect to my PowerBook 160. The Cable on the Scanner will not fit into
the SCSI port on the PowerBook.
I then got a cable assembled to adapt the original cable to fit the SCSI
port. This, however, turned the computer into SCSI mode and treated it
as a hard disk.
I have asked an engineer in London to assembled a new cable. The idiot,
out of sheer laziness has taken 14 weeks and has yet to solve the
problem.
I am aware that Caere Co. in the US have a solution.
Do you know of a cable that will solve this problem. Please help me if
you know the solution. I will be forever grateful to you.
My e-mail address is:
zia@uk.ac.ed.castle
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|| "wrong side of the road" syndrom; :-))
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|| for us, that's zia@castle.ed.ac.uk
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Thanking you in advance,
Zia.
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From: howland@noc2.arc.nasa.gov (Curt Howland)
Subject: Re: Auction: Diana's bra
Organization: NASA Science Internet Project Office
Lines: 13
In article <1993Apr2.163531.12974@adobe.com>,
cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes:
|> Next thing you know I'll see bikes with Geeky stickers parked
|> outside the local white wine, quiche, and fern bar.
Hey! I LIKE quiche, even if I did have to look
at your note to spell it (assumed) correctly.
Really, you <*sniff*> tough guys are all the same...
(MOMMY! Curtis is making fun of ferns again!!!!)
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From: dcd@se.houston.geoquest.slb.com (Dan Day)
Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...
Nntp-Posting-Host: mudd.se.houston.geoquest.slb.com
Organization: GeoQuest System, Inc. Houston
Lines: 13
In article <1qke5b$mc4@spool.mu.edu> jason@studsys.mscs.mu.edu (Jason Hanson) writes:
>>From article <1993Apr15.024246.8076@Virginia.EDU>, by ejv2j@Virginia.EDU ("Erik Velapoldi"):
>>> This happened about a year ago on the Washington DC Beltway.
>>> Snot nosed drunken kids decided it would be really cool to
>>> throw huge rocks down on cars from an overpass. Four or five
>>> cars were hit. There were several serious injuries, and sadly
>
>About a year ago, some kids tossed a rock off an overpass on I-94 near Eau
>Claire, Wisconsin and it killed the driver below. (I believe he was a
>schoolteacher from Minnesota.)
Here in Houston a couple years ago a young pregnant woman was killed
in a similar manner.
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From: tcmay@netcom.com (Timothy C. May)
Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption
Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Distribution: na
Lines: 26
Ted Dunning (ted@nmsu.edu) wrote:
:
: nobody seems to have noticed that the clipper chip *must* have been
: under development for considerably longer than the 3 months that
: clinton has been president. this is not something that choosing
: choosing bush over clinton would have changed in the slightest; it has
: been in the works for some time.
Actually, many of us have noted this. We have noted that the program
started at least 4 years ago, that the contracts with VLSI Technology
and Microtoxin were let at least 14 months ago, that production of the
chips is well underway, and so forth.
Nobody I know has claimed Clinton intitiated the program. But he chose
to go ahead with it.
-Tim May
--
..........................................................................
Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money,
tcmay@netcom.com | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero
408-688-5409 | knowledge, reputations, information markets,
W.A.S.T.E.: Aptos, CA | black markets, collapse of governments.
Higher Power: 2^756839 | Public Key: PGP and MailSafe available.
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From: adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack)
Subject: Re: Fundamentalism - again.
Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University
Lines: 19
In article <khan0095.734814178@nova> khan0095@nova.gmi.edu (Mohammad Razi Khan) writes:
>One of my biggest complaints about using the word "fundamentalist"
>is that (at least in the U.S.A.) people speak of muslime
>fundamentalists ^^^^^^^muslim
>but nobody defines what a jewish or christan fundamentalist is.
>I wonder what an equal definition would be..
>any takers..
The American press routinely uses the word fundamentalist to
refer to both Christians and Jews. Christian fundementalists are
often refered to in the context of anti-abortion protests. The
American media also uses fundamentalist to refer to Jews who live in
Judea, Samaria or Gaza, and to any Jew who follows the torah.
Adam
Adam Shostack adam@das.harvard.edu
"If we had a budget big enough for drugs and sexual favors, we sure
wouldn't waste them on members of Congress..." -John Perry Barlow
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From: fields@cis.ohio-state.edu (jonathan david fields)
Subject: Misc Stuff for Sale
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Lines: 38
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: frigate.cis.ohio-state.edu
Misc. Items for sale:
Mount Plate: Sony Model CPM-203P, mounting plate for Sony portable CD players
for Portable: plugs into car lighter, snaps onto the bottom of any Sony
CD Player: Portable CD player, perfect condition. Will also throw in a
cassette adapter in SO SO condition.
Paid $45...............Asking $30.
Car Speakers: Sherwood 5 1/4" two way car speakers, in car for 7 months,
5 1/4 inch: excellent condition, Paid $65............Asking $40.
4 inch: Factory Speakers from Toyota excellent condition Asking $20.
Nintendo: Nintendo Game Boy, Light Boy, Tetris, Super Mario Land,
Gameboy: NFL Football, Castlevania Adventure, Hyper Lode Runner, 4 years
+ games: old all in working condition, Asking $70.
Accessories:
Whole Internet: The Whole Internet: User's Guide and Catalog by ED Krol,
book: guide to using the internet, where to fing information and
resources. Paid $30..........Asking $20.
MicroSoft: Never Used, came with my computer, Asking $30.
Visual Basic:
MicroSoft: Came with my computer, never used, Asking $100.
Word for Windows:
Thanks,
Jonathan D. Fields
fields@cis.ohio-state.edu
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From: richk@grebyn.com (Richard Krehbiel)
Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI
In-Reply-To: marka@hcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com's message of 16 Apr 1993 07:30:17 -0400
Lines: 12
Organization: Grebyn Timesharing, Inc.
<1qm5c9$6on@hcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com>
In article <1qm5c9$6on@hcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com> marka@hcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com (Mark Ashley) writes:
> First off, with all these huge software packages and files that
> they produce, IDE may no longer be sufficient for me (510 Mb limit).
I've seen a listing of a Seagate 1G IDE hard drive.
> Second, (rumor is) Microsoft recognizes the the importance of SCSI
> and will support it soon. I'm just not sure if it's on DOS, Win, or NT.
Windows NT already supports SCSI, a variety of adapters, for disk,
tape, and CD-ROM. So does OS/2 2.0.
--
Richard Krehbiel richk@grebyn.com
OS/2 2.0 will do for me until AmigaDOS for the 386 comes along...
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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Subject: 2.5 million Muslims perished of butchery at the hands of Armenians.
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world
Lines: 92
In article <1993Apr25.015551.23259@husc3.harvard.edu> verbit@brauer.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky) writes:
> Actually, Jarmo is a permanent resident of my killfile
Anyone care to speculate on this? I'll let the rest of the net judge
this on its own merits. Between 1914 and 1920, 2.5 million Turks perished
of butchery at the hands of Armenians. The genocide involved not only
the killing of innocents but their forcible deportation from the Russian
Armenia. They were persecuted, banished, and slaughtered while much of
Ottoman Army was engaged in World War I. The Genocide Treaty defines
genocide as acting with a
'specific intent to destroy, in whole or in substantial part, a
national, ethnic, racial or religious group.'
History shows that the x-Soviet Armenian Government intended to eradicate
the Muslim population. 2.5 million Turks and Kurds were exterminated by the
Armenians. International diplomats in Ottoman Empire at the time - including
U.S. Ambassador Bristol - denounced the x-Soviet Armenian Government's policy
as a massacre of the Kurds, Turks, and Tartars. The blood-thirsty leaders of
the x-Soviet Armenian Government at the time personally involved in the
extermination of the Muslims. The Turkish genocide museums in Turkiye honor
those who died during the Turkish massacres perpetrated by the Armenians.
The eyewitness accounts and the historical documents established,
beyond any doubt, that the massacres against the Muslim people
during the war were planned and premeditated. The aim of the policy
was clearly the extermination of all Turks in x-Soviet Armenian
territories.
The Muslims of Van, Bitlis, Mus, Erzurum and Erzincan districts and
their wives and children have been taken to the mountains and killed.
The massacres in Trabzon, Tercan, Yozgat and Adana were organized and
perpetrated by the blood-thirsty leaders of the x-Soviet Armenian
Government.
The principal organizers of the slaughter of innocent Muslims were
Dro, Antranik, Armen Garo, Hamarosp, Daro Pastirmadjian, Keri,
Karakin, Haig Pajise-liantz and Silikian.
Source: "Bristol Papers", General Correspondence: Container #32 - Bristol
to Bradley Letter of September 14, 1920.
"I have it from absolute first-hand information that the Armenians in
the Caucasus attacked Tartar (Turkish) villages that are utterly
defenseless and bombarded these villages with artillery and they murder
the inhabitants, pillage the village and often burn the village."
Sources: (The Ottoman State, the Ministry of War), "Islam Ahalinin
Ducar Olduklari Mezalim Hakkinda Vesaike Mustenid Malumat," (Istanbul, 1918).
The French version: "Documents Relatifs aux Atrocites Commises par les Armeniens
sur la Population Musulmane," (Istanbul, 1919). In the Latin script: H. K.
Turkozu, ed., "Osmanli ve Sovyet Belgeleriyle Ermeni Mezalimi," (Ankara,
1982). In addition: Z. Basar, ed., "Ermenilerden Gorduklerimiz," (Ankara,
1974) and, edited by the same author, "Ermeniler Hakkinda Makaleler -
Derlemeler," (Ankara, 1978). "Askeri Tarih Belgeleri ...," Vol. 32, 83
(December 1983), document numbered 1881.
"Askeri Tarih Belgeleri ....," Vol. 31, 81 (December 1982), document
numbered 1869.
"Those who were capable of fighting were taken away at the very beginning
with the excuse of forced labor in road construction, they were taken
in the direction of Sarikamis and annihilated. When the Russian army
withdrew, a part of the remaining people was destroyed in Armenian
massacres and cruelties: they were thrown into wells, they were locked
in houses and burned down, they were killed with bayonets and swords, in places
selected as butchering spots, their bellies were torn open, their lungs
were pulled out, and girls and women were hanged by their hair after
being subjected to every conceivable abominable act. A very small part
of the people who were spared these abominations far worse than the
cruelty of the inquisition resembled living dead and were suffering
from temporary insanity because of the dire poverty they had lived
in and because of the frightful experiences they had been subjected to.
Including women and children, such persons discovered so far do not
exceed one thousand five hundred in Erzincan and thirty thousand in
Erzurum. All the fields in Erzincan and Erzurum are untilled, everything
that the people had has been taken away from them, and we found them
in a destitute situation. At the present time, the people are subsisting
on some food they obtained, impelled by starvation, from Russian storages
left behind after their occupation of this area."
Serdar Argic
'We closed the roads and mountain passes that
might serve as ways of escape for the Turks
and then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
(Ohanus Appressian - 1919)
'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists
a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)
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From: madhaus@netcom.com (Maddi Hausmann)
Subject: Re: some thoughts.
Keywords: Dan Bissell
Organization: Society for Putting Things on Top of Other Things
Lines: 28
1. Did you read the FAQs?
2. If NO, Read the FAQs.
3. IF YES, you wouldn't have posted such drivel. The "Lord, Liar
or Lunatic" argument is a false trilemma. Even if you disprove
Liar and Lunatic (which you haven't), you have not eliminated
the other possibilities, such as Mistaken, Misdirected, or
Misunderstood. You have arbitrarily set up three and only
three possibilities without considering others.
4. Read a good book on rhetoric and critical thinking. If
you think the "Lord, Liar, or Lunatic" discussion is an
example of a good argument, you are in need of learning.
5. Read the FAQs again, especially "Constructing a Logical
Argument."
Ignore these instructions at your peril. Disobeying them
leaves you open for righteous flaming.
--
Maddi Hausmann madhaus@netcom.com
Centigram Communications Corp San Jose California 408/428-3553
Kids, please don't try this at home. Remember, I post professionally.
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From: mike@hopper.Virginia.EDU (Michael Chapman)
Subject: Re: Looking for a filemanager under X11R5
Organization: ITC/UVA Community Access UNIX/Internet Project
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In article <1993Apr21.130259.3773@atlastele.com> brians@atlastele.com (Brian Sheets) writes:
>Does anyone have a file manager that runs under UNIX/X11R5??
>
xdtm is working looking at, as is ftptool. There really isn't anything of
any quality that I've seen though, and I'm seriously considering writing one
on my own.
--
mike@hopper.acs.virginia.edu
"I will NOT raise taxes on the middle class." -Unknown
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From: wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (Bill Mayhew)
Subject: Re: help: How to reduce the RPMs of a Boxer fan ?
Organization: Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine
Distribution: na
Lines: 18
Yes, you increase the RPM slip of a "boxer" type fan by installing
a capacitor in series with the fan's power supply. The air flow of
small 3.5 inch fans can be reduced by about 50% by using a 1 to 4
uF capacitor. Use a good grade nonpolarized unit with working
voltage rating around 250 volts. Note that some impriical study is
usually required to experimentally determine the best size
capacitor for a given application.
For DC powered applications, try the Radio Shack 12 volt box fan.
It can run and start reliably from as low as about 4.5 VDC. It is
exceptionally quiet, but at admittedly low flow. I wish I knew who
made the fans for Radio Shack.
--
Bill Mayhew NEOUCOM Computer Services Department
Rootstown, OH 44272-9995 USA phone: 216-325-2511
wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (140.220.1.1) 146.580: N8WED
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From: ken@sugra.uucp (Kenneth Ng)
Subject: Re: Identifying / Securing Files
Organization: Private Computer, Totowa, NJ
Lines: 23
In article <2bb29f4c@mash.boulder.co.us: rmashlan%mash@csn.org (Robert Mashlan) writes:
:tarnold@vnet.IBM.COM (Todd W. Arnold) said in article <19930322.101356.617@almaden.ibm.com>:
:>It's OK as long as you trust the end-user to stay out of your application
:>program - or as long as it runs in a system where the user can't get to it.
:>Otherwise, you can't stop him from finding the "load a module" code in your
:>program, and simply bypassing the check for a valid module. The devious user
:>can either modify the object code before running the program, or he can run
:>the program under a debugger and change the instructions in memory.
:There is a way to foil debuggers, by clearing the single step
:interrupt, on which a debugger depends, every few instructions in
:the sensitive areas of the code.
This assumes the person is using the hardware debug instruction of an X86
type processor. It can be negated by NOP'ing the clear debug instruction,
or by running the code on a machine simulator, like one I wrote as a senior
project in college. It can bypass and trace practically anything one could
write in software. Kind of like being on a Star Trek Holideck :-).
--
Kenneth Ng
Please reply to ken@eies2.njit.edu for now.
"All this might be an elaborate simulation running in a little device sitting
on someone's table" -- J.L. Picard: ST:TNG
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From: luis.nobrega@filebank.cts.com (Luis Nobrega)
Subject: PC PAINTBRUSH IV+
Distribution: world
Organization: The File Bank BBS - Fallbrook, CA 619-728-4318
Reply-To: luis.nobrega@filebank.cts.com (Luis Nobrega)
Lines: 11
I am trying to configure Zsoft's PC Paintbrush IV+ for use with my
Logitech Scanman 32 (hand scanner), but I can't get Paintbrush to
acknowledge the scanner. Is there anybody out there using Paintbrush
with a scanner, if so, can you help me out?
Thanks Luis Nobrega
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| The File Bank BBS - 619-728-4318 - PCBoard v.14.5a/E10 - USR HST & DS |
| 8 nodes / RIME / Internet / Largest Clipper file collection in the world |
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From: gurakl@aix.rpi.edu (Laura J. Gurak)
Subject: XT clone for sale
Article-I.D.: rpi.+zt5m5_
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
Lines: 35
Nntp-Posting-Host: aix.rpi.edu
FOR SALE:
IBM-compatible XT personal computer (DOS)
Brand: Acer
Age: 4.5 years
Specs: 640K RAM
20 meg hard drive
5 -1/4 floppy drive
Color monitor
2400 baud USRobotics internal modem
Bundled with loads of software: word processing,
communications, spreadsheet, games.
A good computer that successfully got me through
all of my BA, MS, and half of my PhD (I decided to
switch to a Mac for my dissertation). Perfect for
high school student, college student, or person who
needs basic word processing, spreadsheet, and/or
database capabilities.
Best offer.
Reply to
Laura Gurak
userglub@mts.rpi.edu
--
*****************************************************************************
Laura J. Gurak/PhD candidate/Dept. Language, Literature, and Communication
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY 12180/gurakl@rpi.edu
rhetorics of science & technology/social aspects of computing/rhet. criticism
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From: rscharfy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ryan C Scharfy)
Subject: Re: If Drugs Should Be Legalized, How?
Nntp-Posting-Host: top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University
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In article <1qrohrINNipe@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (Wil
liam December Starr) writes:
>
>In article <1993Apr18.003848.21571@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>,
>rscharfy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ryan C Scharfy) said:
>
>>>> However, legalizing it and just sticking some drugs in gas stations to
>>>> be bought like cigarettes is just plain silly. [Ryan C Scharfy]
>>>
>>> Or, the government could adopt the radical and probably unAmerican
>>> idea that citizens are free to live their lives as they wish, and
>>> simply decriminalize cocaine, marijuana, heroin, LSD, etc. Please
>>> explain why the idea of allowing recreational drugs to be "bought like
>>> cigarettes" is "just plain silly." After all, it works just fine for
>>> nicotine... [wdstarr]
>>
>> Yeah, Cancer is pretty cool, isn't it.
>
>Ryan, please explain how the "coolness" or lack thereof of cancer is
>relevant to a discussion of the legalization of currently illegal
>recreational drugs. For that matter, please explain how it's even
>relevant to a discussion of currently _legal_ recreational drugs such as
>tobacco. [wdstarr]
You said it worked so well with tobacco. I was being fascisious(I can't spell
worth a damn)
Look, this is getting ridiculous, first, I think tobacco should be legal.
Anybody who can't see the difference between tobacco and marijuana has got to
be high.
Ryan
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From: jac2y@Virginia.EDU ("Jonathan A. Cook <jac2y>")
Subject: Stuff for sale- music
Organization: University of Virginia
Lines: 19
CDs ($9 ea inc shipping)
---
Jesus Jones, DOUBT
Residents, HEAVEN?
REM, DOCUMENT
Nymphs, SAD AND DAMNED single
Tapes
-----
Robert Plant, all solo stuff
Led Zeppelin IV
Tshirts
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Robert Plant, Manic Nirvana tour
Led Zeppelin, Symbols/Swansong black
Bob Dylan, 1990 tour tie-dye
All offers accepted. Mail to jac2y@virginia.edu
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Subject: Snooper..any opinions
From: Keith Whitehead <sir@office.acme.gen.nz>
Distribution: world
Organization: Apple Source BBS
X-Mailer: rnMac Buggy, I mean Beta, Test Version
Lines: 16
Has anyone use Snooper or MacEKG or any other similar diagnostic
software.Any comparisons/reviews on these products would be very much
appreciated.
Thanks in advance for your help
Cheers
--
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: Sir@office.acme.gen.nz :
: :
: Be thankfull that we dont get all the government we pay for! :
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From: bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB)
Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM
Lines: 9
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: dante.nmsu.edu
In PC Magazine April 27, 1993:29 "Although SCSI is twice as fasst as ESDI,
20% faster than IDE, and support up to 7 devices its acceptance ...has
long been stalled by incompatability problems and installation headaches."
note what it does NOT site as a factor: PRICE.
int eh same article the PC would will get plug and play SCSI {from the
article it seems you get plug and play SCSI-1 only since SCSI-2 in FULL
implimentation has TEN NOT 7 devices.}
SCSI-1 intergration is sited as another part of the MicroSoft Plug and play
program.
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From: baden@inqmind.bison.mb.ca (Baden de Bari)
Subject: *]] MOSFET help...
Organization: The Inquiring Mind BBS 1 204 488-1607
Lines: 28
Since I'm not all too keen on this area of hooking them up, I'm
asking for help. I know better than to hook a 12v, 1a stepper line to
one, unless it can take it; however what about if I've got a 24-60v
stepper. What sort of curent limmiting circuitry would be involved (a
small schematic would probably be helpfull).
Also, I've looked into the TIPC2701N by TI, and I was wondering
if I should use the same suggested (by you replying to this message)
current limiting circuitry on each of the 7 mosfets in the package as
that illustrated in the schematic (which you the replyer would hopefully
help me with).
... hmm... different request...
Thanks.
_________________________________________________
Inspiration | ___ |
comes to | \ o baden@sys6626.bison.mb.ca |
those who | ( ^ ) baden@inqmind.bison.mb.ca |
seek the | /-\ =] Baden de Bari [= |
unknown. | |
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baden@inqmind.bison.mb.ca
The Inquiring Mind BBS, Winnipeg, Manitoba 204 488-1607
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From: sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com (Gary Merrill)
Subject: Re: Science and methodology (was: Homeopathy ... tradition?)
Originator: sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com
Nntp-Posting-Host: theseus.unx.sas.com
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
Lines: 15
In article <1993Apr15.163923.25120@microsoft.com>, tomca@microsoft.com (Tom B. Carey) writes:
|> OK, just for grins:
|> - Kekule hypothesized a resonant structure for the aromatic benzene
|> ring after waking from a dream in which a snake was swallowing his tail.
|> - Archimedes formalized the principle of buoyancy while meditating in
|> his bath.
Well, certainly in Archimedes case the description "while observing the
phenomena in his bath" seems more accurate than "while meditating in
his bath" -- it was, after all, a rather buoyancy intense environment.
--
Gary H. Merrill [Principal Systems Developer, C Compiler Development]
SAS Institute Inc. / SAS Campus Dr. / Cary, NC 27513 / (919) 677-8000
sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com ... !mcnc!sas!sasghm
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From: nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu
Subject: Re: Death and Taxes (was Why not give $1 billion to...
Article-I.D.: aurora.1993Apr23.000021.1
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Lines: 55
Nntp-Posting-Host: acad3.alaska.edu
In article <1993Apr22.162501.747@indyvax.iupui.edu>, tffreeba@indyvax.iupui.edu writes:
> In my first posting on this subject I threw out an idea of how to fund
> such a contest without delving to deep into the budget. I mentioned
> granting mineral rights to the winner (my actual wording was, "mining
> rights.) Somebody pointed out, quite correctly, that such rights are
> not anybody's to grant (although I imagine it would be a fait accompli
> situation for the winner.) So how about this? Give the winning group
> (I can't see one company or corp doing it) a 10, 20, or 50 year
> moratorium on taxes.
>
> Tom Freebairn
Who says there is no mineral rights to be given? Who says? The UN or the US
Government?
Major question is if you decide to mine the moon or Mars, who will stop you?
The UN can't other than legal tom foolerie.. Can the truly inforce it?
If you go to the moon as declare that you are now a soverign nation, who will
stop you from doing it. Maybe not acknowledge you?
Why can't a small company or corp or organization go an explore the great
beyond of space? what right does earth have to say what is legal and what is
not.. Maybe I am a few years ahead on this.. It is liek the old Catholic Church
stating which was Portugals and what was Spains, and along came the Reformation
and made it all null and void..
What can happen is to find a nation which is acknowledged, and offer your
services as a space miner and then go mine the asteroids/mars/moon or what
ever.. As long as yur sponsor does not get in trouble..
Basically find a country who wants to go into space, but can't for soem reason
or another, but who will give you a "home".. Such as Saudia Arabia or
whatever..
There are nations in the World who are not part of the UN, got to them and
offer your services and such.. I know that sound crazy, but. is it..
Also once you have the means to mine the moon (or whatever) then just do it.
The UN if done right can be made to be so busy with something else, they will
not care..
If your worried about the US, do the same thing..
Why be limited by the short sighted people of earth.. After all they have many
other things to worry about that if someone is mining the Moon or MArs or what
ever..
Basically what I am saying is where is that drive of yeasteryears to go a
little bit farther out, to do jus ta little bit more, and to tell the crown to
piss off.. If my ancestors thought the way many today think, Id have been born
in Central Europe just north of the Black Sea..
I just read a good book, "Tower of the Gods" Interesting..
==
Michael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked
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From: sbrogii@copernicus.Tymnet.COM (Scott Brogley)
Subject: dodge wagon for sale
Summary: 1964 Dodge Dart V8 wagon $300/negotiable
Keywords: 1964 Dodge Dart wagon 273ci v8 sale 300 $ for california cal CAL Bay Area bay area Cal
Article-I.D.: tymix.3647
Organization: 2M&I
Lines: 20
Nntp-Posting-Host: copernicus
To: Dodge Dart collectors
I have a 1964 Dodge (25th anniversary) Dart 273ci V8 wagon to turn into cash.
My asking price is $300.00 although we can negotiate. The car currently
resides in Union City, California. Thats on the east side of the San Francisco
Bay Area in the state of California of the United states of America on the
continent of North America of the planet Earth, third planetary body out from
Sol, a mid range yellowish star in the Western Spiral Arm of the Milkyway
Galaxy.
toowhit: north of Silicon Valley
if interested pleas contact Scott by the following means:
internet sbrogii@tymnet.com
home answering machine 510.489.6165
business voice mail 408.922.6547
loud yell & wave money out the window
^(not recommended in downtown urban environment)
ps. I also have a `72 BMW r60/5 for sale, $700.00.
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From: landis@stsci.edu (Robert Landis,S202,,)
Subject: Re: Soviet Space Book
Reply-To: landis@stsci.edu
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute, Baltimore MD
Lines: 9
What in blazes is going on with Wayne Matson and gang
down in Alabama? I also heard an unconfirmed rumor that
Aerospace Ambassadors have disappeared. Can anyone else
confirm??
++Rob Landis
STScI, Baltimore, MD
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From: dpw@sei.cmu.edu (David Wood)
Subject: Request for Support
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Lines: 35
I have a request for those who would like to see Charley Wingate
respond to the "Charley Challenges" (and judging from my e-mail, there
appear to be quite a few of you.)
It is clear that Mr. Wingate intends to continue to post tangential or
unrelated articles while ingoring the Challenges themselves. Between
the last two re-postings of the Challenges, I noted perhaps a dozen or
more posts by Mr. Wingate, none of which answered a single Challenge.
It seems unmistakable to me that Mr. Wingate hopes that the questions
will just go away, and he is doing his level best to change the
subject. Given that this seems a rather common net.theist tactic, I
would like to suggest that we impress upon him our desire for answers,
in the following manner:
1. Ignore any future articles by Mr. Wingate that do not address the
Challenges, until he answers them or explictly announces that he
refuses to do so.
--or--
2. If you must respond to one of his articles, include within it
something similar to the following:
"Please answer the questions posed to you in the Charley Challenges."
Really, I'm not looking to humiliate anyone here, I just want some
honest answers. You wouldn't think that honesty would be too much to
ask from a devout Christian, would you?
Nevermind, that was a rhetorical question.
--Dave Wood
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From: king@reasoning.com (Dick King)
Subject: How to interview a doctor
Nntp-Posting-Host: drums.reasoning.com
Organization: Reasoning Systems, Inc., Palo Alto, CA
Lines: 11
My insurance company encourages annual physicals, and at my age [42] i'm
thinking that BIannual physicals, at least, might be a good idea. Therefore,
i'm shopping for a GP. Might as well get a good one.
Could the Assembled Net Wisdom suggest things i should look for, or point me to
the FAQ archive if on this topic if there is one?
Please EMail; i suspect that this topic is real Net Clutter bait.
-dk
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From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: re: Countersteering_FAQ please post
Organization: University College of Wales, Aberystwyth
Lines: 10
Nntp-Posting-Host: 144.124.112.30
In article <C4zKCL.FGC@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> Eric@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (93CBR900RR) writes:
>Would someone please post the countersteering FAQ...i am having this awful
>time debating with someone on why i push the right handle of my motorcycle
>foward when i am turning left...and i can't explain (well at least) why this
>happens...please help...post the faq...i need to convert him.
>
> eric
Hmm, If I did this, would I be able to take the outriggers off?
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From: tombaker@world.std.com (Tom A Baker)
Subject: Re: Shuttle Launch Question
Organization: Me, at The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: sci
Lines: 29
In article <15APR199320340428@stdvax> abdkw@stdvax (David Ward) writes:
>In article <C5JLwx.4H9.1@cs.cmu.edu>, ETRAT@ttacs1.ttu.edu (Pack Rat) writes...
>>There has been something bothering me while watching
>>NASA Select for a while. Well, I should'nt say
>>bothering, maybe wondering would be better. When
>>they are going to launch they say (sorry but I forget
>>exactly who is saying what, OTC to PLT I think)
>>"Clear caution & warning memory. Verify no unexpected
>>errors. ...". I am wondering what an "expected error" might
>>be. Sorry if this is a really dumb question, but
>
>
>In pure speculation, I would guess cautions based on hazardous
>pre-launch ops would qualify. Something like "Caution: SRBs
>have just been armed."
Also in pure speculation:
Parity errors in memory or previously known conditions that were waivered.
"Yes that is an error, but we already knew about it"
Any problem where they decided a backup would handle it.
Any problem in an area that was not criticality 1,2,3..., that is, any
problem in a system they decided they could do without.
I'd be curious as to what the real meaning of the quote is.
tom
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From: davidk@welch.jhu.edu (David "Go-Go" Kitaguchi)
Subject: Re: A Little Too Satanic
Nntp-Posting-Host: uss1.welch.jhu.edu
Reply-To: davidk@welch.jhu.edu
Organization: Welch Medical Library
Lines: 21
In article 65934@mimsy.umd.edu, mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate) writes:
:PNanci Ann Miller writes:
:P
:P>My favorite reply to the "you are being too literal-minded" complaint is
:P>that if the bible is really inspired by God and if it is really THAT
:P>important to him, then he would make damn certain all the translators and
:P>scribes and people interpreting and copying it were getting it right,
:P>literally. If not, then why should I put ANY merit at all in something
:P>that has been corrupted over and over and over by man even if it was
:P>originally inspired by God?
:P
:PThe "corrupted over and over" theory is pretty weak. Comparison of the
:Pcurrent hebrew text with old versions and translations shows that the text
:Phas in fact changed very little over a space of some two millennia. This
:Pshouldn't be all that suprising; people who believe in a text in this manner
:Pare likely to makes some pains to make good copies.
Well corrupted the first time is good enough. Seeing that the bible was constructed
400 years after Jesus's death, in the text of merchants (ie-owe this and owe that) I wonder how anyone can take the literal word seriously. Obviously it was not intended for such nonsense, otherwise the authors of the bible would not need to plagerize (sp)
off of the Asians for most of the contents that can be interperated to make sense.
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From: crypt-comments@math.ncsu.edu
Subject: Cryptography FAQ 09/10 - Other Miscellany
Organization: The Crypt Cabal
Lines: 174
Expires: 22 May 1993 04:00:07 GMT
Reply-To: crypt-comments@math.ncsu.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: pad-thai.aktis.com
Summary: Part 9 of 10 of the sci.crypt FAQ, Other Miscellany.
National Security agency. US export restrictions. TEMPEST
electromagnetic interference monitoring. Beale ciphers, a hoax?
American Cryptographic Association. RSA public-key patents.
X-Last-Updated: 1993/04/16
Archive-name: cryptography-faq/part09
Last-modified: 1993/4/15
FAQ for sci.crypt, part 9: Other Miscellany
This is the ninth of ten parts of the sci.crypt FAQ. The parts are
mostly independent, but you should read the first part before the rest.
We don't have the time to send out missing parts by mail, so don't ask.
Notes such as ``[KAH67]'' refer to the reference list in the last part.
The sections of this FAQ are available via anonymous FTP to rtfm.mit.edu
as /pub/usenet/news.answers/cryptography-faq/part[xx]. The Cryptography
FAQ is posted to the newsgroups sci.crypt, sci.answers, and news.answers
every 21 days.
Contents:
* What is the National Security Agency (NSA)?
* What are the US export regulations?
* What is TEMPEST?
* What are the Beale Ciphers, and are they a hoax?
* What is the American Cryptogram Association, and how do I get in touch?
* Is RSA patented?
* What about the Voynich manuscript?
* What is the National Security Agency (NSA)?
The NSA is the official security body of the U.S. government. It
was given its charter by President Truman in the late 40's, and
has continued research in cryptology till the present. The NSA is
known to be the largest employer of mathematicians in the world,
and is also the largest purchaser of computer hardware in the
world. Governments in general have always been prime employers of
cryptologists. The NSA probably possesses cryptographic expertise many
years ahead of the public state of the art, and can undoubtedly break
many of the systems used in practice; but for reasons of national
security almost all information about the NSA is classified.
Bamford's book [BAMFD] gives a history of the people and operations of
the NSA. The following quote from Massey [MAS88] highlights the
difference between public and private research in cryptography:
``... if one regards cryptology as the prerogative of government,
one accepts that most cryptologic research will be conducted
behind closed doors. Without doubt, the number of workers engaged
today in such secret research in cryptology far exceeds that of
those engaged in open research in cryptology. For only about 10
years has there in fact been widespread open research in
cryptology. There have been, and will continue to be, conflicts
between these two research communities. Open research is common
quest for knowledge that depends for its vitality on the open
exchange of ideas via conference presentations and publications in
scholarly journals. But can a government agency, charged with
responsibilities of breaking the ciphers of other nations,
countenance the publication of a cipher that it cannot break? Can
a researcher in good conscience publish such a cipher that might
undermine the effectiveness of his own government's code-breakers?
One might argue that publication of a provably-secure cipher would
force all governments to behave like Stimson's `gentlemen', but one
must be aware that open research in cryptography is fraught with
political and ethical considerations of a severity than in most
scientific fields. The wonder is not that some conflicts have
occurred between government agencies and open researchers in
cryptology, but rather that these conflicts (at least those of which
we are aware) have been so few and so mild.''
* What are the US export regulations?
In a nutshell, there are two government agencies which control
export of encryption software. One is the Bureau of Export
Administration (BXA) in the Department of Commerce, authorized by
the Export Administration Regulations (EAR). Another is the Office
of Defense Trade Controls (DTC) in the State Department, authorized
by the International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR). As a rule
of thumb, BXA (which works with COCOM) has less stringent
requirements, but DTC (which takes orders from NSA) wants to see
everything first and can refuse to transfer jurisdiction to BXA.
The newsgroup misc.legal.computing carries many interesting
discussions on the laws surrounding cryptographic export, what
people think about those laws, and many other complex issues which
go beyond the scope of technical groups like sci.crypt. Make sure to
consult your lawyer before doing anything which will get you thrown in
jail; if you are lucky, your lawyer might know a lawyer who has at
least heard of the ITAR.
* What is TEMPEST?
TEMPEST is a standard for electromagnetic shielding for computer
equipment. It was created in response to the discovery that
information can be read from computer radiation (e.g., from a CRT) at
quite a distance and with little effort.
Needless to say, encryption doesn't do much good if the cleartext
is available this way.
* What are the Beale Ciphers, and are they a hoax?
(Thanks to Jim Gillogly for this information and John King for
corrections.)
The story in a pamphlet by J. B. Ward (1885) goes: Thomas
Jefferson Beale and a party of adventurers accumulated a huge mass
of treasure and buried it in Bedford County, Virginia, leaving
three ciphers with an innkeeper; the ciphers describe the
location, contents, and intended beneficiaries of the treasure.
Ward gives a decryption of the second cipher (contents) called B2;
it was encrypted as a book cipher using the initial letters of the
Declaration of Independence (DOI) as key. B1 and B3 are unsolved;
many documents have been tried as the key to B1.
Aficionados can join a group that attempts to solve B1 by various
means with an eye toward splitting the treasure:
The Beale Cypher Association
P.O. Box 975
Beaver Falls, PA 15010
You can get the ciphers from the rec.puzzles FAQL by including the
line:
send index
in a message to netlib@peregrine.com and following the directions.
(There are apparently several different versions of the cipher
floating around. The correct version is based on the 1885 pamphlet,
says John King <kingj@hpcc01.corp.hp.com>.)
Some believe the story is a hoax. Kruh [KRU88] gives a long list of
problems with the story. Gillogly [GIL80] decrypted B1 with the DOI
and found some unexpected strings, including ABFDEFGHIIJKLMMNOHPP.
Hammer (president of the Beale Cypher Association) agrees that this
string couldn't appear by chance, but feels there must be an
explanation; Gwyn (sci.crypt expert) is unimpressed with this
string.
* What is the American Cryptogram Association, and how do I get in touch?
The ACA is an organization devoted to cryptography, with an emphasis
on cryptanalysis of systems that can be attacked either with
pencil-and-paper or computers. Its organ ``The Cryptogram'' includes
articles and challenge ciphers. Among the more than 50 cipher types in
English and other languages are simple substitution, Playfair,
Vigenere, bifid, Bazeries, grille, homophonic, and cryptarithm.
Dues are $15 for one year (6 issues); more outside of North America;
less for students under 18 and seniors. Subscriptions should be sent
to ACA Treasurer, 18789 West Hickory St., Mundelein, IL 60060.
* Is RSA patented?
Yes. The patent number is 4,405,829, filed 12/14/77, granted 9/20/83.
For further discussion of this patent, whether it should have been
granted, algorithm patents in general, and related legal and moral
issues, see comp.patents and misc.legal.computing. For information
about the League for Programming Freedom see [FTPPF]. Note that one of
the original purposes of comp.patents was to collect questions such as
``should RSA be patented?'', which often flooded sci.crypt and other
technical newsgroups, into a more appropriate forum.
* What about the Voynich manuscript?
nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) says there is a mailing list on the
subject. the address to write to subscribe to the VMS mailing list
is: <voynich-request@rand.org>
the ftp archive is: rand.org:/pub/voynich
There's all sorts of information about the manuscript itself, of
course. A good bibliography can be found on the ftp site. Kahn's
"The Codebreakers" gives a good introduction.
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From: jbourgui@ucs.indiana.edu (Opso Lopso)
Subject: need help getting saddle bags!!
Nntp-Posting-Host: jh224-695078.ucs.indiana.edu
Organization: Indiana University
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hey... I'm pretty new to the wonderful world of motorcycles... I just
bought
a used 81 Kaw KZ650 CSR from a friend.... I was just wondering what kind of
saddle bags I could get for it (since I know nothing about them) are there
bags for the gas tank? how much would some cost, and how much do they
hold?
thanks for your advice!!! I may be new to riding, but I love it
already!!!!
:)
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(DoD #55,555)
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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center
From: Jason Kratz <U28037@uicvm.uic.edu>
Subject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card
Distribution: usa
<1qm7qoINNqnv@clem.handheld.com> <1993Apr17.235338.2819@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
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In article <1993Apr17.235338.2819@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU
(Frank Crary) says:
>
>>>>...I have never seen anyone else practice marksmanship by
>>>> taking their gun out of their coat as fast as possible and start shooting.
>
>>>That is the recommended way to practice with a CCW, too. Aim alone is no d
>goo
>>>for defense, if you can't get the gun rapidly.
>
>>Very true but the way it was being done was just a little unusual. It looked
>>to me like they were practicing to shoot someone...
The point that I forgot to bring up here (and this has nothing to do with being
a gang member or not) is that it is illegal to carry a concealed weapon in this
area (or in the state of illinois for that matter). This is not to say that
people in Illinois don't carry concealed weapons illegaly but practicing like
that when there are other people around wasn't too bright of an idea.
>
>There isn't necessarily a conflict between practicing with a concealed
>weapon for self-defence and practicing to shoot someone. Armed
>self-defence does occasionally involve shooting an attacker.
>
> Frank Crary
> CU Boulder
I agree. If you don't practice at all and carry a gun for self-defense you
most likely would be in big trouble if a situation were to arise.
Jason - u28037@uicvm.cc.uic.edu
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From: lisa@alex.com (Lisa Rowlands)
Return-Path: <news>
Subject: Paint jobs in the UK
Nntp-Posting-Host: baldrick
Organization: Alex Technologies Ltd, London, England
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Can anyone recommend a good place for reasonably priced bike paint jobs, preferably but not essentially in the London area.
Thanks
Lisa Rowlands
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Alex Technologies Ltd CP House
97-107 Uxbridge Road
Tel: +44 (0)81 566 2307 Ealing
Fax: +44 (0)81 566 2308 LONDON
email: lisa@alex.com W5 5LT
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From: v119matc@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Claus Schwinge)
Subject: Needed, large, fast backup utility
Organization: University at Buffalo
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News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41
Nntp-Posting-Host: ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu
I'm looking for a better method to back up files. Currently using a MaynStream
250Q that uses DC 6250 tapes. I will need to have a capacity of 600 Mb to 1Gb
for future backups. Only DOS files.
I would be VERY appreciative of information about backup devices or
manufacturers of these products. Flopticals, DAT, tape, anything.
If possible, please include price, backup speed, manufacturer (phone #?),
and opinions about the quality/reliability.
Please E-Mail, I'll send summaries to those interested.
Thanx in advance,
-Claus Schwinge
-SUNYAB Student Finances and Records
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From: oyalcin@iastate.edu (Onur Yalcin)
Subject: Re: ARMENIA SAYS IT COULD SHOOT DOWN TURKISH PLANES
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
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In article <1993Apr19.155856.8260@kpc.com> henrik@quayle.kpc.com writes:
>In article <1993Apr17.185118.10792@ee.rochester.edu>, terziogl@ee.rochester.edu (Esin Terzioglu) writes:
>|>
>|>..[cancellum]...
>|>
>
>
>Let me clearify Mr. Turkish;
>
>ARMENIA is NOT getting "itchy". SHE is simply LETTING the WORLD KNOW that SHE
>WILL NO LONGER sit there QUIET and LET TURKS get away with their FAMOUS
>tricks. Armenians DO REMEMBER of the TURKISH invasion of the Greek island of
>CYPRESS WHILE the world simply WATCHED.
>
>
It is more appropriate to address netters with their names as they appear in
their signatures (I failed to do so since you did not bother to sign your
posting). Not only because it is the polite thing to do, but also to avoid
addressing ladies with "Mr.", as you have done.
Secondly, the island of which the name is more correctly spelled as Cyprus has
never been Greek, but rather, it has been home to a bi-communal society formed
of Greeks and Turks. It seems that you know as little about the history and
the demography of the island, as you know about the essence of Turkey's
military intervention to it under international agreements.
Be that as it may, an analogy between an act of occupation in history and what
is going on today on Azerbaijani land, can only be drawn with the expansionist
policy that Armenia is now pursuing.
But, I could agree that it is not for us to issue diagnoses to the political
conduct of countries, and promulgate them in such terminology as
"itchy-bitchy"...
Onur Yalcin
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From: richg@sequent.com (Richard Garrett)
Subject: Computers for sale ( PC and amiga )
Article-I.D.: sequent.1993Apr21.151726.26547
Distribution: na
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
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Nntp-Posting-Host: crg8.sequent.com
Its time for a little house cleaning after my PC upgrade. I have the following
for sale:
Leading Technology PC partner (286) sytsem. includes
80286 12mhz intel cpu
85Mb IDE drive (brand new - canabalized from new system)
3.5 and 5.24 floppies
1 Meg ram
vga congroller
kb
5.0 dos on hard drive
need to get $300 for system
AT style kb - $20
Logitech serial trackman with latest drivers $45
Amiga 500 with 2.0 roms installed and 1Mb video ram and 4Mb addon ram
501 clone (512K ram and clock)
Roctec addon disk IDE disk controller includes SCSI option
Quantum 105mb SCSI drive with lots of software
4mb ( 4 x 1mb simm) installed in roctec
Amiga DOS 2.04
ICD Flicker Fixer II
Asking $500 for system,
I will part out the amiga, make an offer!
amiga Software
Cando - $25
Textcraft Plus - $5
tetris & welltris - $5 for both
Sword of Sodam - $5
Qix - $5
Carmen Sandiego - $5
Crossword Construction Kit - $10
Canadian Prototype Replicas
CD rom Fast File System - $30
Hypermedia CD rom containing fred fish disks 1-480
includes registration card, low cost upgrades. $20
Amiga hardware Reference Man - $5
Amiga to vga monitor cable - $5
two joysticks - $5 each
Prices DO NOT include shipping.
Contact Rich Garrett
Email - richg@sequent.com
HOME (503) 591-5466 WORK (503) 578-3822
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O oO richg@sequent.com
o WORK (503) 578-3822
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From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni)
Subject: Re: Go Hezbollah!!
Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department
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In article <C5HIyr.327@news.cso.uiuc.edu> eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A Shnekendorf) writes:
>Brad, You're a very sick son-of-a-bitch. Wishing for someone's death, even if
>they are your enemy, is very deranged. I really have pity for you and those
>like you. Did you acquire this philosophy from Islam?
>>Brad Hernlem (hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU)
>Ed.
This is an interesting question to ponder. Did Brad/Ali's sickness
make Ayatollah-style Islam attractive to him or did this new religion
that Brad/Ali has formally adopted give him this sickness?
--
Jake Livni jake@bony1.bony.com Ten years from now, George Bush will
American-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the
My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President.
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From: nicho@vnet.IBM.COM (Greg Stewart-Nicholls)
Subject: Re: Biosphere II
Reply-To: nicho@vnet.ibm.com
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not those of IBM
News-Software: UReply 3.1
X-X-From: nicho@vnet.ibm.com
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In <1q1kia$gg8@access.digex.net> Pat writes:
>In article <19930408.043740.516@almaden.ibm.com> nicho@vnet.ibm.com writes:
>>In <1q09ud$ji0@access.digex.net> Pat writes:
>>>Why is everyone being so critical of B2?
>> Because it's bogus science, promoted as 'real' science.
>It seems to me, that it's sorta a large engineering project more
>then a science project.
Bingo.
>B2 is not bench science, but rather a large scale attempt to
>re-create a series of micro-ecologies. what's so eveil about this?
Nothing evil at all. There's no actual harm in what they're doing, only
how they represent it.
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.sig files are like strings ... every yo-yo's got one.
Greg Nicholls ... nicho@vnet.ibm.com (business) or
nicho@olympus.demon.co.uk (private)
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From: Harry Powell Watson <hw26+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Boss Guitar Pedal
Organization: Freshman, Design, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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In-Reply-To: <C4vu72.D18@smsc.sony.com>
For Sale:
One Boss Turbo Overdrive Pedal for guitar, bass, or keyboards--$35
or best offer. Thanks!! Respond to hw26 or call 268-4841.
Harry
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From: cpc4@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (CONNIN PATRICK COLGAIN)
Subject: Keenan signs with the Rangers!!
Organization: Lehigh University
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Just heard on the news that Mike Keenan formerly of the Blackhawks, Flyers,
and General of a Siberian Prison has just signed to coach the Rangers. The
Rangers, who won the President's Cup last year have slipped just a bit at the
end of the season and are destined to finish last behind the lowly Flyers.
The Flyers' fans are going to be disappointed on Keenans decision, because
they were very interested in him. Oh well.
Go CAPS!!!!!!!
Connin
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From: dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (Deepak Chhabra)
Subject: Re: hawks vs leafs lastnight
Nntp-Posting-Host: stpl.ists.ca
Organization: Solar Terresterial Physics Laboratory, ISTS
Distribution: na
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In article <1993Apr18.153820.10118@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>>on all replays, joe murphy's goal shouldn't have counted !
>>the game would have ended in 2-2 tie !
>I thought the red light went on...thus, in the review, the presumption
>would be to find conclusive evidence that the puck did not go in the
>net...from the replays I say, even from the rear, the evidence wasn't
>conclusive that the puck was in or out...in my opinion...
I was under the impression that the objective is to find conclusive
evidence that the puck _did_ cross the line. And, the replays I saw showed
fairly conclusively that the puck did _not_ cross the goal line at any
time anyway. Somebody screwed up.
dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca
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From: turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin)
Subject: Re: Science and methodology (was: Homeopathy ... tradition?)
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
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Distribution: inet
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Keywords: science errors Turpin
-*----
I agree with everything that Lee Lady wrote in her previous post in
this thread. In case this puzzles people, I would like to expand
on two of her comments.
In article <C5JoDH.9IG@news.Hawaii.Edu> lady@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Lee Lady) writes:
> Avoiding mistakes is certainly highly desirable. However it is also
> widely acknowledged that perfectionism is inimicable to creativity.
> ... In the extreme case, a perfectionist becomes so paralyzed by all
> the possible mistakes he might make that he is unable to even leave
> the house.
One of the most important (and difficult) aspects of reasoning
about empirical investigation lies in understanding the context,
scope, and importance of the various arguments and pieces of
evidence that are marshalled for a claim. Some errors break the
back of a piece of research, some leave a hole that needs to be
filled in, and some are trivial in their importance. It is a
grave mistake to confuse these.
Past snippets from this thread:
>>> I doubt if Einstein used any formal methodology. ....
>> He also proposed numerous experiments which if performed would
>> distinguish a universe in which special relativity holds from
>> one in which it does not. ...
Back to Lee Lady:
> These are not the rules according to many who post to sci.med and
> sci.psychology. According to these posters "If it's not supported by
> carefully designed controlled studies then it's not science."
These posters are making the mistake that I have previously
criticized of adhering to a methodological recipe. A "carefully
designed and controlled study" is neither always possible nor
always important. (On the other hand, if someone is proposing a
remedy that supposedly alleviates a chronic medical problem, we
have enough knowledge of the errors that have plagued *this* kind
of claim to ask for a "carefully designed and controlled study"
to alleviate our skepticism.)
Rules such as "support the hypothesis by a carefully designed and
controlled study" are too narrow to apply to *all* investigation.
I think that the requirements for particular reasoning to be
convincing depends greatly on the kinds of mistakes that have
occurred in past reasoning about the same kinds of things. (To
reuse the previous example, we know that conclusions from
uncontrolled observations of the treatment of chronic medical
problems are notoriously problematic.)
Russell
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From: smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin)
Subject: Re: (new) reason for Clipper alg'm secrecy
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
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In article <1993Apr20.155924.29995@news.clarkson.edu>, tuinstra@signal.ece.clarkson.edu.soe (Dwight Tuinstra) writes:
> First, note that the "experts" will only look at "details", and of just
> the algorithm:
>
> In addition, respected experts from outside the
> government will be offered access to the confidential details of
> the algorithm to assess its capabilities and publicly report
> their findings.
>
> Why not the chip design? Well, here's the possiblity: in addition to
> encryption, the chip pre-processes voice signals to make them easier
> to analyze/transcribe electronically. The chip, once widespread, might
> effectively be part of a massively parallel computer for "voice-
> grepping" the US phone network (or the criminal & wrong-thinking patrons
> thereof).
First of all, the chip doesn't do that. It runs at 16 megabits/second,
which is far beyond what you need for voice. It's obviously intended
for data as well, and on high-speed lines at that.
Second -- what advantage is there to doing the processing in the phone?
I don't care how fancy that chip is; it's not as fancy as the roomful
of analyzers at Fort Meade running the program they'll have 5 years from
now. They can't update every Clipper chip that's out there.
Third -- if they did do this preprocessing in the chip, it would probably
have a serious effect on recognizability of the voice patterns. If
nothing else, that would hurt the acceptability of the product. The
V.32bis modems are just barely fast enough to do a good job on properly-
massaged voice as is; add any more to the mix, and you're completely out
of the ballpark.
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From: sylvain@netcom.com (Nicholas Sylvain)
Subject: Re: "Proper gun control?" What is proper gun control? (was Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card)
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
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In article <DLB.93Apr15130411@fanny.wash.inmet.com> dlb@fanny.wash.inmet.com (David Barton) writes:
>For what it is worth, I own no firearms of any sort. As long-time
>readers of this group know, I am dedicated to the RKBA.
A long-time reader of t.p.g, I am also a staunch RKBA supporter, yet
I own no firearms.
>This is not about toys. It is about freedom.
Amen, brother.
--
Nicholas Sylvain (sylvain@netcom.com) --- I am the NRA
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Nicholas Sylvain (sylvain@netcom.com) --- I am the NRA
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From: luke@aero.org (Robert A. Luke)
Subject: Help! Installing old HD on older Compaq XT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
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Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: aerospace.aero.org
We are trying to install a donated hard disk (Miniscribe
vintage 1988) on a supercheap ancient Compaq XT for
use in education. The only problem is that the
supercheap Compaq didn't come with the manual and I
haven't been able to figure out how to start the SETUP
program.
I began using PCs after 286s were invented, so I have
a couple of basic questions:
1. Did XT-class computers even *have* SETUP programs?
2. If they did (or, do), how do I access it?
If anybody has any good advice on how to proceed or
what to do next or what to look out for, please let me
know. E-mail is best, but I'll also be watching the
newsgroup postings.
Thanks in advance,
-Robert
--
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Robert Luke Internet: luke@aero.org
The Aerospace Corporation CompuServe: 71155,3011
"Danger, Will Robinson!"
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From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Subject: Re: Travel outside US (Bangladesh)
Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science
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In article <1p7ciqINN3th@tamsun.tamu.edu> covingc@ee.tamu.edu (Just George) writes:
>I will be traveling to Bangaldesh this summer, and am wondering
>if there are any immunizations I should get before going.
>
You can probably get this information by calling your public health
department in your county (in Pittsburgh, they give the shots free,
as well). There are bulletins in medical libraries that give
recommendations, or you could call the infectious diseases section
of the medicine department of your local medical school. You also
will probably want to talk about Malaria prophylaxis. You will
need your doctor to get the prescription.
--
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geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."
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Subject: College Hockey All-Star Roster
From: bdhissong@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"
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Could someone please post the rosters for the College Hockey All-Star game East
and West Rosters? Thanks in advance.
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From: alf@st.nepean.uws.edu.au (Andrew Leahy)
Subject: Running dxterm's onto Apollo from DEC 5000/240
Organization: University of Western Sydney, Nepean
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
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Help!
I'm trying to run dxterm's (DECs' xterm) on a DECstation 5000/240
(Ultrix 4.3, X11R4, Motif 1.1.3) with the DISPLAY variable set to an
Apollo DN2500 (Domain/OS 10.3, X11R4, Motif ?.?).
I get these errors appearing on the DECstation:
> dxterm
X Toolkit Warning: Cannot convert string "<Key>apCharDel " to type VirtualBinding
X Toolkit Warning: Cannot convert string "<Key>apCopy " to type VirtualBinding
X Toolkit Warning: Cannot convert string "<Key>apCut " to type VirtualBinding
X Toolkit Warning: Cannot convert string "<Key>apPaste " to type VirtualBinding
X Toolkit Warning: Cannot convert string "<Key>apUpBox " to type VirtualBinding
X Toolkit Warning: Cannot convert string "<Key>apDownBox " to type VirtualBinding
X Toolkit Warning: Cannot convert string "<Key>apRightBar " to type VirtualBinding
X Toolkit Warning: Cannot convert string "<Key>apLeftBar " to type VirtualBinding
Segmentation fault
>
Any ideas? Is it a Motif problem...are the DEC and Apollo versions of Motif
incompatible? Or something to do with XKeysymDB?
(xterms run fine on DEC displaying on Apollo..arggh)
I need to run dxterm because the package we are using on the DEC's, Oracle Case,
uses dxterm by default, and we have a lab of Apollo workstations we would like
to run Oracle from.
Andrew "Alf" Leahy, alf@st.nepean.uws.edu.au
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Andrew "Alf" Leahy phone: (047) 360771 (W) irc: pepsi-alf
Uni. Western Sydney, Nepean. Remote-email: alf@st.nepean.uws.edu.au
Sydney, Australia. Local-email: alf
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From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)
Subject: Re: Keith Schneider - Stealth Poster?
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes:
>>To borrow from philosophy, you don't truly understand the color red
>>until you have seen it.
>Not true, even if you have experienced the color red you still might
>have a different interpretation of it.
But, you wouldn't know what red *was*, and you certainly couldn't judge
it subjectively. And, objectivity is not applicable, since you are wanting
to discuss the merits of red.
keith
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From: wallacen@CS.ColoState.EDU (nathan wallace)
Subject: ORION space drive
Reply-To: wallacen@CS.ColoState.EDU
Nntp-Posting-Host: beethoven.cs.colostate.edu
Organization: Colorado State University -=- Computer Science Dept.
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An excellent reference for non-technical readers on the ORION system is
"The Starflight Handbook", by Eugene Mallove and Gregory Matloff, ISBN
0-471-61912-4. The relevant chapter is 4: Nuclear Pulse Propulsion.
The book also contains lots of technical references for the more academically
inclined.
Enjoy!
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C/ Nathan F. Wallace C/C/ "Reality Is" C/
C/ e-mail: wallacen@cs.colostate.edu C/C/ ancient Alphaean proverb C/
C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/
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From: jks2x@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (Jason K. Schechner)
Subject: Foot switches for sale
Organization: University of Virginia
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I have 2 foot switches for sale. They're great for guitar
amps, and keyboards. Each is about 1" in diameter with a 6' (or so)
cable. I'd like $15 for both, but make me an offer, who knows...
-Jason
--
Settle down, raise a family join the PTA,
buy some sensible shoes, and a Chevrolet
And party 'till you're broke and they drag you away. It's ok.
Al Yankovic
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From: jaskew@spam.maths.adelaide.edu.au (Joseph Askew)
Subject: Re: Small Astronaut (was: Budget Astronaut)
Organization: Statistics, Pure & Applied Mathematics, University of Adelaide
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In article <1pfkf5$7ab@access.digex.com> prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes:
>Only one problem with sending a corp of Small astronauts.
>THey may want to start a galactic empire:-) Napoleon
>complex you know. Genghis Khan was a little guy too. I'd bet
>Julius caesar never broke 5'1".
I think you would lose your money. Julius was actually rather tall
for a Roman. He did go on record as favouring small soldiers though.
Thought they were tougher and had more guts. He was probably right
if you think about it. As for Napoleon remember that the French
avergae was just about 5 feet and that height is relative! Did he
really have a complex?
ObSpace : We have all seen the burning candle from High School that goes
out and relights. If there is a large hot body placed in space but in an
atmosphere, exactly how does it heat the surroundings? Diffusion only?
Joseph Askew
--
Joseph Askew, Gauche and Proud In the autumn stillness, see the Pleiades,
jaskew@spam.maths.adelaide.edu Remote in thorny deserts, fell the grief.
Disclaimer? Sue, see if I care North of our tents, the sky must end somwhere,
Actually, I rather like Brenda Beyond the pale, the River murmurs on.
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From: eliot@lanmola.engr.washington.edu (eliot)
Subject: Re: station wagons (was Open letter to NISSAN
Organization: clearer than blir
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In article <1993Apr16.052013.23517@leland.Stanford.EDU> tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen) writes:
>>but you'll
>>never catch me dead in a minivan!
>even a minivan based on viper running gear?
hmmmm.. not sure, since no such beast exists.. i can tell you another
though.. you won't catch me dead in a GMC Syclone or Typhoon either,
1000 bhp or not.. not even the fact that Clint Eastwood has one. just
my taste, no rational reasons for it.
>-teddy
>p.s. i think the audi S4 gets a 4.2 liter V-8 next year.
CAR just tested the S4 wagon with 5 banger and 6 speed manual. Rave
review except for Servotronic.. Audi is trying to recoup the
development costs for the V8, and since the V8 is not selling well,
they are sticking it into the 100 series cars.. Neat marketing trick,
eh? yeah, a 100 V8-32v wouldn't be a bad idea as competition for the
upcoming bimmer 530/540i would it? maybe they can use a 3.6 liter
version to avoid conflicts with the v8 model.. then strip off all the
luxo-garbage. let the S4 remain with the flared arches and fat tires
to go fight with the M5.... maybe turn up the boost a wee bit to bump
bhp up to say 450 or so.. :-) while keeping the 100 V8 with mercedes
500E style subtlety.
blah blah blah....
eliot
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From: boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle)
Subject: Re: Too fast
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In article <1qkon8$3re@armory.centerline.com> jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes:
[stuff about autobahn and safety of sho at speed deleted]
>The Mustang is essentially the same deal as the SHO -- a big power
The Mustang is a much worse case of design irresponsibility than the
SHO.
>plant stuck in a mid-size sedan, with almost no other modifications.
>I have real-life experience with the Mustang -- it handles like a
>brick (except when you're invoking oversteer, of course, something I
Its hard to predicatbaly drift a stock Mustang because
of the suspension.
>personally avoid doing on the highway) and stopping power is
>inadequate even from 80mph. Lots of accelleration -- but the rest of
>the car is not up to par.
Yes. When i think Mustang, I think school-bus + F16 motor. In
my mind the Mustang should be fitted with a speed limiter at 80-90
or so. It just isn't safe, check out your local junkyard, Mustangs
outnumber other cars by a proportion way in excess of sales in
junkyards.
I find it astonishing the CU or somesuchlike has not jumped on the
Mustang for poor brakes in relation to power. Ford should at least
standardize on the SVO rear brakes for all 5.0's.
>
>I picked the Porsche example because they are designed with speed in
>mind. It didn't have to be the 911 -- it could have been the much
>cheaper 944 or one of several Mercedes or Audi models. All of these
>cars are fairly expensive -- but so are the parts that make them
>drivable at high speed. This should be elementary.
>
>There are a few things to keep in mind about Europe, since you brought
>it up. My Autobahn knowledge is admittedly second-hand, but I believe
>the following to be true:
>
>1. Drivers are much better disciplined in Europe than they are here.
True of Northern Europe, latin countries are something else.
>2. The roads comprising the Autobahn are much better designed than
Kindof true. remember they were build by adolf in the '30's.
> they are here, and usually include animal fences. This makes them
> far more predictable than most US highways.
Yes.
>3. Not all of Europe is the Autobahn. Most places in Europe have
"Autobahn" is the german word for freeway. Other countries have
different names for loose equivalents; autostrada, autoroute, motorway
etc.
> speed limits that aren't out-of-line with what we used to have in
> the US -- if my friends weren't lying to me they're typically not
> much higher than 120km/h.
Europe did seem on the brink of a 130kmh limit. It hasn't passed as
far as I know. typical speeds in western europe are much higher than
the US. Law enforcement is negligible in my experience (comapred
to the US) as there is no revenue enhancement motivation. The things
you really notice are the higher speed differentials, and the more
professional attitude to driving. You just never see two cars
running parallel at 55.1 mph oblivious to all around them.
>
>I strongly suspect you won't find a lot of Rabbit owners doing 120mph
>(nearly 200km/h) on the Autobahn, but I could be wrong. Some people
You're wrong. GTI's go this fast. Just kind of noisy, not the ideal
autobahn car. A lot of times you see cars being driven with the drivers
foot on the floor. How do I know? - when you're not making any ground
on the identical car in front of you!
>have no respect for their own lives.
If something happens at 130-150 you're dead, but the same goes for much
over 35. Driving at high speed forces you to concentrate. I feel much
safer driving 130+ on the autobahn than 60-80 in typical US traffic
because most people seem to be awake. I've never seen any driver reading
a book on an autobahn, I see it all too often in the US.
Craig
It just doesn't *seem* fast after 30 minutes or so of aclimation. everybody
drives that fast, no big deal.
Craig
>
>>>You certainly haven't convinced me.
>
>> Of course not. "Speeding-is-bad. Speeding-is-illegal.
>>I-will-not-speed. I-love-Big-Brother." You had your mind made up
>>already.
>
>If you think so you sure don't pay attention to my postings.
>
>jim frost
>jimf@centerline.com
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From: amehdi@src.honeywell.com (Hossien Amehdi)
Subject: Re: was: Go Hezbollah!!
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In article <C5HuBA.CJo@news.cso.uiuc.edu> eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A Shnekendorf) writes:
>amehdi@src.honeywell.com (Hossien Amehdi) writes:
>
>>You know when Israelis F16 (thanks to General Dynamics) fly high in the sky
>>and bomb the hell out of some village in Lebanon, where civilians including
>>babies and eldery getting killed, is that plain murder or what?
>
>If you Arabs wouldn't position guerilla bases in refugee camps, artillery
>batteries atop apartment buildings, and munitions dumps in hospitals, maybe
>civilians wouldn't get killed. Kinda like Saddam Hussein putting civilians
>in a military bunker.
>
>Ed.
Who is the you Arabs here. Since you are replying to my article you
are assuming that I am an Arab. Well, I'm not an Arab, but I think you
are brain is full of shit if you really believe what you said. The
bombardment of civilian and none civilian areas in Lebanon by Israel is
very consistent with its policy of intimidation. That is the only
policy that has been practiced by the so called only democracy in
the middle east!
I was merley pointing out that the other side is also suffering.
Like I said, I'm not an Arab but if I was, say a Lebanese, you bet
I would defende my homeland against any invader by any means.
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From: cs1442au@news.uta.edu (cs1442au)
Subject: Reboot problem
Organization: University of Texas at Arlington
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From: x51948b1@usma1.USMA.EDU (Peckham David CDT)
To: cs1442au@decster.uta.edu
Subject: Problem.
Status: OR
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I am running a Unisys PW2 386SX20 with DOS 6. My problem, even when I had DOS
5.0, is that when I have EMM386 loaded I can't CTL-ALT-DEL. If I do, the
computer beeps a few times rapidly and hangs. Then I have to use the obscure
reset (requires a screwdriver or pencil) or the power switch to reboot. Does
anyone have a solution to this problem?
E-mail me at x51948b1@usma1.usma.edu
Dave
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From: mpaul@unl.edu (marxhausen paul)
Subject: Re: Whats wrong with my cordlessphone?
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln
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I've also found that the electronic starters on these "instant-on"
compact fluourescent lamp fixtures kick out interference that nukes
my cordless phone. (I can hear it in my guitar amplifier, too...)
--
paul marxhausen .... ....... ............. ............ ............ ..........
.. . . . . . university of nebraska - lincoln . . . .. . . .. . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . grace . . . .
. . . . . . . . happens .
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From: jmk13@po.cwru.edu (Joseph M. Kasanic)
Subject: Re: 14" monitors
Article-I.D.: usenet.1pt3oe$li6
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X-XXDate: Tue, 6 Apr 93 03:29:12 GMT
In article <1pco6eINN99i@corona.hsc.usc.edu> Daniel S. Chen,
dschen@corona.hsc.usc.edu writes:
> I'm interested in getting a 14" color monitor for my new LCIII.
>Unfortunately, I'm really quite confused with the Sony monitors.
>Could someone please compare the Sony 1320, 1304 and the Apple 14"?
> Thanks. Dan
Just thought I would mention that Sony no longer manufactures the CPD-
1304 because of several manufacturing flaws. The new model is now the
1430, which just like Apple's new Sony Trinitrom CLAIMS to be 14 inches.
I'm not sure of the details on the defects, but I work at our schools
bookstore
and can tell you that nearly half of them were returned with some kind of
defect or another.
Just my two cents worth.
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From: unpingco@raman.ucsd.edu (Jose Unpingco)
Subject: FOR SALE: ULTRABOTS PC GAME
Keywords: ULTRABOTS,video game, pc game
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Electronics Art's Ultrabots game for sale with book and original
3.5" disks in the original box.
- $22 or best offer.
contact: unpingco@raman.ucsd.edu
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From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)
Subject: Re: <Political Atheists?
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
[...]
>There is a good deal more confusion here. You started off with the
>assertion that there was some "objective" morality, and as you admit
>here, you finished up with a recursive definition. Murder is
>"objectively" immoral, but eactly what is murder and what is not itself
>requires an appeal to morality.
Yes.
>Now you have switch targets a little, but only a little. Now you are
>asking what is the "goal"? What do you mean by "goal?". Are you
>suggesting that there is some "objective" "goal" out there somewhere,
>and we form our morals to achieve it?
Well, for example, the goal of "natural" morality is the survival and
propogation of the species. Another example of a moral system is
presented within the Declaration of Independence, which states that we
should be guaranteed life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. You see,
to have a moral system, we must define the purpose of the system. That is,
we shall be moral unto what end?
>>Murder is certainly a violation of the golden rule. And, I thought I had
>>defined murder as an intentional killing of a non-murderer, against his will.
>>And you responded to this by asking whether or not the execution of an
>>innocent person under our system of capital punishment was a murder or not.
>>I fail to see what this has to do with anything. I never claimed that our
>>system of morality was an objective one.
>I thought that was your very first claim. That there was
>some kind of "objective" morality, and that an example of that was
>that murder is wrong. If you don't want to claim that any more,
>that's fine.
Well, murder violates the golen rule, which is certainly a pillar of most
every moral system. However, I am not assuming that our current system
and the manner of its implementation are objectively moral. I think that
it is a very good approximation, but we can't be perfect.
>And by the way, you don't seem to understand the difference between
>"arbitrary" and "objective". If Keith Schneider "defines" murder
>to be this that and the other, that's arbitrary. Jon Livesey may
>still say "Well, according to my personal system of morality, all
>killing of humans against their will is murder, and wrong, and what
>the legal definition of murder may be in the USA, Kuweit, Saudi
>Arabia, or the PRC may be matters not a whit to me".
Well, "objective" would assume a system based on clear and fundamental
concepts, while "arbitary" implies no clear line of reasoning.
keith
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From: sasst11+@pitt.edu (Scott A Snowiss)
Subject: IMAGINE
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
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Hello again netters,
I finally received the information about Imagine for the PC. They are presently shipping Version 2.0 of the software and will release Version 3.0 in the first quarter of 1993 (or so they say). The upgrade from 2.0 to 3.0 is $100.00. To purchase Imagine 2.0, it costs $495.00 or if you are upgrading from another eligible (call them for info) modeler, it is only $200.00 plus shipping & handling. It requires a PC with 4 Megs a Math Coprocessor, and Dos 5.0 or up and a Microsoft Mouse and SVGA card.
Thanks for all your replies about the product. I have received many contrasting replies, but once I scrounge the money together, I think I will take the plunge. Thanks again.
Here is the info for Impulse if you want to find out more or get the sheet they sent.
Impulse Inc.
8416 Xerxes Avenue North
Minneapolis, MN 55444
1-800-328-0184
Thanks again for all your replies.
Scott
--
Scott Snowiss
sasst11+@.pitt.edu
--Turn on...Jack in...Jack out...
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From: dpalmer@mcnc.org (W. Dev Palmer)
Subject: Re: Wanted: A to D hardware for a PC
Article-I.D.: mcnc.1993Apr6.220327.4042
Organization: MCNC Center for Microelectronics, RTP, NC
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In article <1993Apr6.053736.23113@doug.cae.wisc.edu> kolstad@cae.wisc.edu (Joel Kolstad) writes:
>>In <3889@ncr-mpd.FtCollinsCO.NCR.COM> Brad Wright writes:
>>
>>> If you know much about PC's (IBM comp) you might try the joystick
>>>port. Though I haven't tried this myself, I've been told that the port
>
>I believe that the "A-D converters" found on a joystick port are really
>timers that tick off how long it takes an R-C circuit (the R being your
>paddle) to charge up to something like 1/2 Vcc. For games this works
>pretty well, but you certainly wouldn't want to try to take lab
>measurements off something as non-linear as that.
The best info I have seen so far is the article "Joystick Metrics:
Measuring physical properties through the PC's joystick port" by
Michael Covington in the May 1985 issue of PC Tech Journal. It talks
about how to read all kinds of things (voltage, current, resistance) in
BASIC, and even includes code for a simple "oscilloscope" display.
It's possible to read the joystick port directly if you don't want to
use BASIC. The detailed information for this is in the PC Technical
Reference under Options and Adapters. You have to provide some
millisecond resolution timing functions, but that's a subject which has
appeared many times in articles from Dr. Dobb's, Circuit Cellar Ink,
etc. Look for the public domain ztimer package on wuarchive.
Good Luck,
Dev Palmer
dpalmer@mcnc.org
MCNC Room 212
P.O. Box 12889
RTP, NC 27709-2889
(919) 248-1837
(919) 248-1455 FAX
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From: BOCHERC@hartwick.edu (Carol A. Bocher)
Subject: Re:Major Views of the Trinity
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Ann Jackson (ajackson@cs.ubc.ca) wrote on 5 May:
>In article <May 2.09.50.06.1993.11776@geneva.rutgers.edu>
>Jim Green writes:
>>Can't someone describe someone's Trinity in simple declarative
>>sentences with words that have common meaning?
>The answer to this question appears to be "no".
I would like to submit the following which helped me enormously.
If it has already been posted, I apologize.
It seems that during the Middle Ages, it was customary for pastors to
explain the Trinity to their parishoners by analogy to water.
Water is water, but can exist in three forms--liquid, ice and vapor.
Thus it is possible for one essence to exist in three forms.
And recently, the pastor of my church drew an analogy, which I
also found useful--A woman is often percieved by others in three
ways, depending on their relationship to her--a mother, a wife and
an employee in a business.
Thus, it seems clear to me that the essence of God can subsist in
the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit or, depending on one's particular
need for Him.
Carol Bocher
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From: webster@ucssun1.sdsu.EDU (paolini p)
Subject: ftp:UNIX-dos-UNIX
Organization: The Internet
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To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu
I'm an new to this. Having found some files (public) to look into, I
ftp'ed them to a system I have access to. I then used kermit to transmit
them via modem to my host computer, a PC-based file system. I access
internet through modem access to a university mainframe. From the PC
file server, I pull the files to a disk, and then pull them from disk
to a SGI Indigo (the SGI is not networked yet). When I try to uncompress
and un-tar the files, they either come out as garbage or I get an error
in the tar process about directories being invalid.
What I'm wondering about is the transfer of UNIX files (compressed,
binary,ascii) about multiple platforms. My guess is that it is the copy
to a 'dos' disk that is screwing things up. Any help is appreciated.
bob
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From: pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto)
Subject: Re: White House Public Encryption Management Fact Sheet
Article-I.D.: rwing.2087
Distribution: na
Organization: Totally Unorganized
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In article <19APR199313020883@charon.gsfc.nasa.gov> paul@charon.gsfc.nasa.gov (Paul Olson) writes:
>In article <1qnav4$r3l@transfer.stratus.com>, cme@ellisun.sw.stratus.com (Carl Ellison) writes...
>>In article <C5LGAz.250@dove.nist.gov> clipper@csrc.ncsl.nist.gov (Clipper Chip Announcement) writes:
>>
>>>Further, the Attorney General
>>
> [ ... good post describing what is in store for us deleted ... ]
>
>It's also interesting to note that two months ago Rush Limbaugh said that
>Clinton would have the "plumbers" out in force shortly. Clinton and his
>henchmen firmly believe in strong ubiquitous government control. Anytime a
>leader believes in that, the leader will use every means possible to retain
>that control and take more.
>
>WE have to take OUR government back. Otherwise we will end up living in the
>equivalent of a high-tech third world dictatorship. We have to take
>responsibility for ourselves, our personal welfare, and our actions.
I totally agree. But how do you propose we take government back? They
obviously don't listen to the people or want the people to know who is
responsibile for what (a person telnetted the site of the Clipper chip
release, to see what the entity 'clipper' was, and got a few lists.
BUt when another person tried a bit later, the commands were disabled)
Does not sound like an Administration that wants to have any accountability
or information they don't control given to the people. The secret
development and implimentation of the Clipper Chip decision further
backs that up. You can bet unaurhorized encryption methods and software
will be considered 'terrorist tools' and also subject to civil forfeiture,
along with the systems that are running it. YOU WATCH, SEE IF I AM WRONG.
The government is not going to be very cooperative about the people taking
it back. And they have all the resources, unlimited access to the media
for propeganda, and almost all the guns (soon to be ALL the guns if
Clinton's agenda succeeds)... Those that do not play ball? Waco
might be a good example of what to expect... The warrant (just released)
stated the reason for the raid was the BDs spent a very large sum
for weapons, over an undetermined amount of time. I don't recall
spending a lot of money on guns, etc being illegal ... yet, that is.
Clinton might go down in history as the worst thing to ever happen to
the US of A. ... Now to be known as the 'Peoples Socalist Democratic
Republic of America' (PSDRA).
Big Brother is LISTENING!!!
Hail Big Brother... (and Sister...?) only ten years late!!!
--
pat@rwing.uucp [Without prejudice UCC 1-207] (Pat Myrto) Seattle, WA
If all else fails, try: ...!uunet!pilchuck!rwing!pat
WISDOM: "Only two things are infinite; the universe and human stupidity,
and I am not sure about the former." - Albert Einstien
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From: Rick_Granberry@pts.mot.com (Rick Granberry)
Subject: Re: Help
Reply-To: Rick_Granberry@pts.mot.com (Rick Granberry)
Organization: Motorola Paging and Telepoint Systems Group
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In article <Apr.21.03.26.51.1993.1379@geneva.rutgers.edu>,
lmvec@westminster.ac.uk (William Hargreaves) writes:
> Hi everyone,
> I'm a commited Christian that is battling with a problem. I
> know that romans talks about how we are saved by our faith not our
> deeds, yet hebrews and james say that faith without deeds is useless,
> saying' You fools, do you still think that just believing is enough?'
>
> Now if someone is fully believing but there life is totally lead by
> themselves and not by God, according to Romans that person is still
> saved by there faith.
my $.02 - Yes and No. I do not believe the above scenario is not possible.
Either they are believing and living (in at least some part) led by God, else
they are not. Believing (intellectually, but waiting(?)) is not enough.
Especially important to remember is that no one can judge whether you are
so committed, nor can you judge someone else. I guess the closest we can
come to know someone's situation is listening to their own statements. This
can be fallible, as is our sense of communion one with another.
> But then there is the bit which says that God
> preferes someone who is cold to him (i.e. doesn't know him - condemned)
> so a lukewarm Christian someone who knows and believes in God but doesn'
> t make any attempt to live by the bible.
Regarding this passage, we need to remember that this is a letter to a church
(at Laodicea), people who are Of the Body of Christ. (Rev.3:14-16) He talks
about their works. A translation could say that he says their lack of
concern makes him sick (to the point of throwing up).
> Now I am of the opinion that you a saved through faith alone (not what
> you do) as taught in Romans, but how can I square up in my mind the
> teachings of James in conjunction with the lukewarm Christian being '
> spat-out'
Right, saving is by faith alone, except that faith does not come alone, if
you catch the two meanings.
I can offer the explanation that Jesus would that we were either "on fire
for Him" or so cold we knew we were not in His will and thus could be made
aware of our separation. This is admonishment for His children, not eternal
damnation.
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From: sti@cs.hut.fi (Sami-Jaakko Tikka)
Subject: Re: finding out state of state keys (eg, CapsLock and NumLock)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, CS lab
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In <9304211637.AA03386@blue.arbortext.com> rps@arbortext.COM (Ralph Seguin) writes:
>My question is this: Is there a means of determining what the state
>of CapsLock and/or NumLock is?
I don't know any way except to see what modifiers are on in th
Keypress event. Of course if there is some reason why you need to
always know the state of modifiers even if your windows don't have the
keyborads focus you can always ask for KeyPress events from the root
window. Then you get all the KeyPresses and you always know what have
been pressed.
>An even more pointed question: Is there an easy means of making an X
>keyboard act like a PC keyboard? ie, CapsLock is active, and the user
>presses shift-a, I'd like to get a lowercase 'a' instead of 'A'.
I think this is just a question of how to implement XLookupString.
You can always write another function that interprets the KeyPresses
as you like. You can look at the implementation of XLookupString from
the Xlib sources and then modify it a little bit.
--
Sami.Tikka@hut.fi | /G=Sami/S=Tikka/O=hut/ADMD=fumail/C=fi/
"Live Long and Prosper!"
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From: fraseraj@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Andrew J Fraser)
Subject: Re: God-shaped hole (was Re: "Accepting Jeesus in your heart...")
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.
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[Several people were involved in trying to figure out who first used
the phrase "God-shaped hole". --clh]
"There is a God shaped vacuum in all of us" (or something to that effect) is
generally attributed to Blaise Pascal.
What I want to know is how can you have a God shaped vacuum inside of you if
God is in fact infinite (or omnipresent)?
=========================================================================
|| Name: Andrew James Fraser E-mail: fraseraj@dcs.gla.ac.uk ||
|| ESE-3H student, University of Glasgow. ||
|| Standard disclaimers... ||
[Don't you think you're being a tad too literal with this metaphor? --clh]
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From: stssdxb@st.unocal.com (Dorin Baru)
Subject: Reasons : was Re: was: Go Hezbollah!!
Organization: Unocal Corporation
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Hossien Amehdi writes:
>I am not in the business of reading minds, however in this case it would not
>be necessary. Israelis top leaders in the past and present, always come across
>as arrogant with their tough talks trying to intimidate the Arabs.
>The way I see it, Israelis and Arabs have not been able to achieve peace
>after almost 50 years of fighting because of the following two major reasons:.
> 1) Arab governments are not really representative of their people, currently
> most of their leaders are stupid, and/or not independent, and/or
> dictators.
> 2) Israeli government is arrogant and none comprising.
It's not relevant whether I agree with you or not, there is some reasonable
thought in what you say here an I appreciate your point. However, I would make 2
remarks:
- you forgot about hate, and this is not only at government level.
- It's not only 'arab' governments.
Now, about taugh talk and arrogance, we are adults, aren't we ? Do you listen
to tough talk of american politicians ? or switch the channel ?
I would rather be 'intimidated' by some dummy 'talking tough' then by a
bomb ready to blow under my seat in B747.
Dorin
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From: eck@panix.com (Mark Eckenwiler)
Subject: Re: Capital Gains tax increase "loses" money
Organization: NWO Steering Committee
Distribution: na
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In <1993Apr15.045651.6892@midway.uchicago.edu>, thf2@midway.uchicago.edu sez:
>In article <1993Apr14.135227.8579@desire.wright.edu> demon@desire.wright.edu (Not a Boomer) writes:
>>
>> No, I'm saying any long term investor (the ones likely to have large
>>capital gains) would be foolish to sell in order to avoid a tax hike that a)
>>might disappear in any given year and b) be overcome in a year or two by
>>accumlated gains.
>
>To which my response is--so what? Not all people who pay capital gains
>taxes are long term investors. More than enough of them aren't for there
>to be huge blip whenever capital gains taxes get raised.
> I never said that *everyone* would find this advantageous. I said that
>more than enough would for the result to be readily noticeable and distort
>"trends".
Even if Brett's eventual-return figures were correct -- and they
clearly weren't -- he'd still be wrong about the cause for the '86
blip because he fails to consider 2 basic factors:
1) As Ted notes, not everyone is a long-term investor. One might find
oneself, as I did in late 1986, anticipating expenses in the near term
that require selling off holdings. Given the choice between waiting a
few weeks (and taking an extra tax hit) or selling in December with
preferential tax treatment, only a fool would choose the former.
2) The fact that Brett can now construct _post hoc_ calculations of
what would have been more beneficial to investors is in many respects
beside the point. There was plenty of _Money_-style advice given to
unsophisticated investors in late 1986 to "sell now and save on
taxes." In case anyone missed it, there was no shortage of similar
advice late last year (in the NYTimes, e.g.), even though that advice
was based not on the foregone conclusion of enacted law (as in 1986),
but merely on the *assumption* that Clinton would raise tax rates
(without capping CG taxes, contrary to the current proposal).
It's nice to think that investors always behave in their optimal
economic interest. Like assuming weightless ropes and frictionless
pulleys, though, this sort of thinking often fails to describe
accurately what happens in the real world.
--
MORAL: Always Choose the Right Sort of Parents
Before You Start in to be Rough
- George Ade
Mark Eckenwiler eck@panix.com ...!cmcl2!panix!eck
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From: terziogl@ee.rochester.edu (Esin Terzioglu)
Subject: Re: ARMENIA SAYS IT COULD SHOOT DOWN TURKISH PLANES
Organization: Univ of Rochester, College of Engineering and Applied Science
Lines: 21
In article <1993Apr20.164517.20876@kpc.com> henrik@quayle.kpc.com writes:
>
>Esin Terzioglu] Your ignorance is obvious from your posting.
>Esin Terzioglu] 1) Cyprus was an INDEPENDENT country with Turkish/Greek
> inhabitants (NOT a Greek island like your ignorant
> posting claims)
>Esin Terzioglu] 2) The name should be Cyprus (in English)
>Esin Terzioglu] next time read and learn before you post.
>
>
>
>Aside from spelling , why is that you TURKS DO NOT want to admit your
>past MISTAKES ? You know TURKISH INVASION of CYPRUS was a mistake and too
>bad that U.N. DID NOT do anything about it. You may ask : mistake ?
>Yes, I would say. Why is that the GREEKS DID NOT INVADE CYPRUS ?
>
The Greeks did try to invade Cyprus just before the Turkish intervention: They
failed. Just for your info.
Esin.
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From: essbaum@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Alexander Essbaum)
Subject: header paint
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Nntp-Posting-Host: relva.rchland.ibm.com
Organization: IBM Rochester
Lines: 8
it seems the 200 miles of trailering in the rain has rusted my bike's headers.
the metal underneath is solid, but i need to sand off the rust coating and
repaint the pipes black. any recommendations for paint and application
of said paint?
thanks!
axel
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From: toml@boulder.parcplace.com (Tom LaStrange)
Subject: Re: Forcing a window manager to accept specific coordinates for a window
Organization: ParcPlace Boulder
Lines: 23
In article <C5r25y.HFz@cs.columbia.edu> ethan@cs.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita) writes:
|>
|> Hi. I'm trying to figure out how to make a window manager
|>place the window where the create window command tells it,
|>regardless of what it may think is right. (my application has
|>reason to know better)
|>
|> I don't want to set the override-redirect because I do
|>want all the embellishments that the window manager gives, I just
|>want the wm to accept my choice of location.
What "it may think is right" may be exactly what the user wants.
Assuming that your application "has reason to know better" is, IMHO,
anti-social. If I start your application with a -geometry option are
you going to ignore that as well?
There's really no way to force a window manager to do much of anything
if it's managing your window. You can ask, you can hint, but there's
no guarantee that you're going to get what you want.
--
Tom LaStrange toml@boulder.ParcPlace.COM
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From: plevine@orca.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Peter Levine)
Subject: BIKE FOR SALE ... 1986 Harley FLHTC
Organization: URI Department of Electrical Engineering
Lines: 12
For sale 1986 Harley FLHTC Liberty Edition.
Good condition. Many extras. Asking $7500.
Located in Rhode Island.
Peter Levine plevine@ele.uri.edu
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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Subject: Armenians exterminated 2.5 million Muslim people. Denying the obvious?
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world
Lines: 109
In article <1993Apr23.122146.23931@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu> gassan@ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu writes:
>After having read this group for some time, I am appalled at its lack of
>scholarship, its fuzzy-thinking, reliance on obsessed and obnoxious posters
Well, these are Armenian and Jewish scholars, not me. Denying the obvious?
Source: Hovannisian, Richard G.: Armenia on the Road to Independence, 1918.
University of California Press (Berkeley and Los Angeles), 1967, p. 13.
"The addition of the Kars and Batum oblasts to the Empire increased the
area of Transcaucasia to over 130,000 square miles. The estimated population
of the entire region in 1886 was 4,700,000, of whom 940,000 (20 percent) were
Armenian, 1,200,000 (25 percent) Georgian, and 2,220,000 (45 percent) Moslem.
Of the latter group, 1,140,000 were Tatars. Paradoxically, barely one-third
of Transcaucasia's Armenians lived in the Erevan guberniia, where the
Christians constituted a majority in only three of the seven uezds. Erevan
uezd, the administrative center of the province, had only 44,000 Armenians
as compared to 68,000 Moslems. By the time of the Russian Census of 1897,
however, the Armenians had established a scant majority, 53 percent, in the
guberniia; it had risen by 1916 to 60 percent, or 670,000 of the 1,120,000
inhabitants. This impressive change in the province's ethnic character
notwithstanding, there was, on the eve of the creation of the Armenian
Republic, a solid block of 370,000 Tartars who continued to dominate the
southern districts, from the outskirts of Ereven to the border of Persia."
(See also Map 1. Historic Armenia and Map 4. Administrative subdivisions of
Transcaucasia).
In 1920, '0' percent Turk.
"We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as
ways of escape for the Tartars and then proceeded in the work
of extermination. Our troops surrounded village after village.
Little resistance was offered. Our artillery knocked the huts
into heaps of stone and dust and when the villages became untenable
and inhabitants fled from them into fields, bullets and bayonets
completed the work. Some of the Tartars escaped of course. They
found refuge in the mountains or succeeded in crossing the border
into Turkey. The rest were killed. And so it is that the whole
length of the borderland of Russian Armenia from Nakhitchevan to
Akhalkalaki from the hot plains of Ararat to the cold mountain
plateau of the North were dotted with mute mournful ruins of
Tartar villages. They are quiet now, those villages, except for
howling of wolves and jackals that visit them to paw over the
scattered bones of the dead."
Ohanus Appressian
"Men Are Like That"
p. 202.
"In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.
It is in our power to tear away the veil of illusion that some of us
create for ourselves. It certainly is possible to severe the artificial
life-support system of an imagined 'ethnic purity' that some of us
falsely trust as the only structure that can support their heart beats
in this alien land."
(Sahak Melkonian - 1920 - "Preserving the Armenian purity")
<1993Apr24.042427.29323@walter.bellcore.com>
ddc@nyquist.bellcore.com (Daniel Dusan Chukurov 21324)
> The world's inaction when the conflict began over the mostly
>Christian Armenian enclave inside Muslim Azerbaijan might have
>encouraged the conflict in Bosnia-Herzegovina, said the
>Moscow-based activist, who's part Armenian.
No kidding. The Armenians tore apart the Ottoman Empire's eastern provinces,
massacred 2.5 million defenseless Turkish women, children and elderly
people, burned thousands of Turkish and Kurdish villages and exterminated
the entire Turkish population of the Armenian dictatorship between
1914-1920. Such outrageous sleight of hand that is still employed today
in Armenia brings a depth and verification to the Turkish genocide
that is hard to match. A hundred years ago Armenians again thought
they could get whatever they wanted through sheer terror like the
Russian anarchists that they accepted as role models. Several Armenian
terror groups like ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle
resorted to the same tactics in the 1980s, butchering scores of innocent
Turks and their families in the United States and Europe. It seems that
they are doing it again, at a different scale, in fascist x-Soviet Armenia
today.
A merciless massacre of the civilian population of the small Azeri
town of Khojali (Pop. 6000) in Karabagh, Azerbaijan, is reported to
have taken place on the night of Feb. 28 under a coordinated military
operation of the 366th mechanized division of the CIS army and the
Armenian insurgents. Close to 1000 people are reported to have been
massacred. Elderly and children were not spared. Many were badly beaten
and shot at close range. A sense of rage and helplessness has overwhelmed
the Azeri population in face of the well armed and equipped Armenian
insurgency. The neighboring Azeri city of Aghdam outside of the
Karabagh region has come under heavy Armenian artillery shelling. City
hospital was hit and two pregnant women as well as a new born infant
were killed. Azerbaijan is appealing to the international community to
condemn such barbaric and ruthless attacks on its population and its
sovereignty.
Serdar Argic
'We closed the roads and mountain passes that
might serve as ways of escape for the Turks
and then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
(Ohanus Appressian - 1919)
'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists
a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)
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From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni)
Subject: Re: was:Go Hezbollah!
Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department
Lines: 23
In article <1993Apr19.192207.413@ncsu.edu> hernlem@chess.ncsu.edu (Brad Hernlem) writes:
>I think that you should try to find more sources of news about what goes on
>in Lebanon and try to see through the propaganda.
Thank you, Brad/Ali, for warning us about the dangers of propaganda.
It's funny, though, coming from you.
>There are no a priori
>black and white hats but one sure wonders how the IDF can bombard villages in
>retaliation to pin-point attacks on its soldiers in Lebanon and then call the
>Lebanese terrorists.
Who is it that executes these "pin-point attacks" on Israelis? The
guys in the white hats or the ones in the black hats? Neither? You
mean that they are just civilians, farmers, teachers, school children?
Well, maybe they ARE terrorists, after all? And maybe that
"propaganda" was correct, too? Hmm?
--
Jake Livni jake@bony1.bony.com Ten years from now, George Bush will
American-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the
My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President.
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