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9900 | From: Wales.Larrison@ofa123.fidonet.org
Subject: Space Clipper Launch Article
X-Sender: newtout 0.08 Feb 23 1993
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To All -- I thought the net would find this amusing..
From the March 1993 "Aero Vision" (The newsletter for the Employees
of McDonnell Douglas Aerospace at Huntington Beach, California).
SPACE CLIPPERS LAUNCHED SUCCESSFULLY
"On Monday, March 15 at noon, Quest Aerospace Education, Inc.
launched two DC-Y Space Clippers in the mall near the cafeteria.
The first rocket was launched by Dr. Bill Gaubatz, director and
SSTO program manager, and the second by Air Force Captain Ed
Spalding, who with Staff Sgt. Don Gisburne represents Air Force
Space Command, which was requested by SDIO to assess the DC-X for
potential military operational use. Both rocket launches were
successful. The first floated to the ground between the cafeteria
and Building 11, and the second landed on the roof of the
cafeteria.
Quest's Space Clipper is the first flying model rocket of the
McDonnell Douglas DC-X. The 1/122nd semi-scale model of the
McDonnell Douglas Delta Clipper has an estimated maximum altitude
of 300 feet. The Space Clippers can be used in educational
settings to teach mathematics and science, as well as social
studies and other applications. The Space Clipper is available
either in the $35 Space Clipper outfit, which includes everything
needed for three launches, or as individual rockets for $12 each.
Both are available through hobby shops or by calling 1-800-858-
7302."
By the way -- this is not an endorsement to buy the product nor is
it an advertisement to buy the product. I make no claims about the
product. This is posted for public information only (hey, I found
it amusing...), and is merely a repeat of what was included in the
MDSSC Huntington Beach Newsletter.
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Wales Larrison Space Technology Investor
--- Maximus 2.01wb
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9901 | From: pjtier01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: And America's Team is....But Why?
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Nntp-Posting-Host: ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Organization: University of Louisville
In article <kingoz.735066879@camelot>, kingoz@camelot.bradley.edu (Orin Roth) writes:
> Well, officially it's the Braves. At least up until they started winning
> it was. Are they still, officially?
> If so, why? and how did they receive this label?
There is NO TEAM, repeat, NO TEAM, that is America's team. This is a diverse
country with 26 MLB teams (+2 up north) and there is no one team that is
America's. Who would the other teams belong to?
And how does it happen? Well, teams receive this monicker through success
(Cowboys), national exposure (Cubs), or both (Braves). It spreas aby
successful advertising campaigns. Harry Caray, Ted Turner, amd other dupe
people into thinking that their representative teams are "hip" so that people
will watch them on TV and buy their products. Arrogant local fans adapt the
monicker and think that "their" team is the one that America idolize
It comes down to dollars and egos.
P. Tierney
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9902 | From: kenny@castle.ed.ac.uk (K J MacDonald)
Subject: Upgrade 386SX-25 to 386DX-40 ?
Organization: Edinburgh University
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I'm thinking of splashing out on a new motherboard for my PC. I am
running Linux as my main OS, with a small DOS partition left for my
flatmates' games.
My current setup is a 386SX-25 (AMD) with 387SX-25 (ITT - I think) and 9
Mbytes of 70ns SIMMS, and (120+100)Mbyte IDE.
Basically I have two choices
1) Get a 386DX-40 + 387DX-40 or
2) Get some sort of 486.
Unfortunately I live in the UK where computer prices are far too high.
The first option works out at about \pounds 200. 486 m/boards start at
this price for a SX-25.
I have a couple of questions.
1) How much of an improvement in speed should I notice if I get a
386DX+copro. Remember I'm using a 32 bit OS, and alot of Floating Point
operations.
2) How much faster would a 486DX-33 be than the 386DX-40+copro ?
Should I get an upgradeable m/board with a 386DX-40 and wait for
AMD/Pentium price pressure to reduce the costs of the 486 ?
Any experiences will be most helpful ...
Kenny.
PS. Example prices:
386DX-40+copro M/board ~$270
486DX33 M/board ~$580
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Kenneth MacDonald E-mail kenny@castle.ed.ac.uk
Dept. of Geology & Geophysics
University of Edinburgh Scotland
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9903 | From: pharvey@quack.kfu.com (Paul Harvey)
Subject: Re: Sabbath Admissions 5of5
Organization: The Duck Pond public unix: +1 408 249 9630, log in as 'guest'.
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I wrote in response to dlecoint@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Darius_Lecointe):
>[It's not clear how much more needs to be said other than the FAQ. I
>think Paul's comments on esteeming one day over another (Rom 14) is
>probably all that needs to be said.
Was Paul a God too? Is an interpretation of the words of Paul of higher
priority than the direct word of Jesus in Matt5:14-19? Paul begins
Romans 14 with "If someone is weak in the faith ..." Do you count
yourself as one who is weak in the faith?
>I accept that Darius is doing
>what he does in honor of the Lord. I just wish he might equally
>accept that those who "esteem all days alike" are similarly doing
>their best to honor the Lord.
Yes, but what does the Bible have to say? What did Jesus say? Paul
closes Romans 14 with, "On the other hand, the person with doubts about
something who eats it anyway is guilty, because he isn't acting on his
faith, and any failure to act on faith is a sin." Gaus, ISBN:0-933999-99-2
Have you read the Ten Commandments which are a portion of the Law? Have
you read Jesus' word in Matt5:14-19? Is there any doubt in your mind
about what is right and what is sin (Greek hamartia = missing the mark)?
>However I'd like to be clear that I do not think there's unambiguous
>proof that regular Christian worship was on the first day. As I
>indicated, there are responses on both of the passages cited.
Whereas, the Ten Commandments and Jesus' words in Matt5:14-19 are fairly
clear, are they not?
>The difficulty with both of these passages is that they are actually
>about something else. They both look like they are talking about
>nnregular Christian meetings, but neither explicitly says "and they
>gathered every Sunday for worship". We get various pieces of
>information, but nothing aimed at answering this question.
Matt5:14-19 doesn't answer your question?
>what day Christians met in their houses. Acts 20:7, despite Darius'
>confusion, is described by Acts as occuring on Sunday. ... It doesn't
>say they gathered to
>see Paul off, but that when they were gathered for breaking bread,
Breaking bread - roughly synonymous with eating.
>So I think the most obvious reading of this is that "on the first day
>of every week" simply means every time they gather for worship.
How do you unite this concept of yours with the Ten Commandments and
Jesus's word in Matt5:14-19?
>I think the reason we have only implications and not clear statements
>is that the NT authors assumed that their readers knew when Christian
>worship was.
>--clh]
Or, they assumed that the Ten Commandments and Jesus' word in
Matt5:14-19 actually stood for something? Perhaps they were "strong in
the faith?"
---------------------------
[No, I don't believe that Paul can overrule God. However Paul was
writing for a largely Gentile audience. The Law was regarded by Jews
at the time (and now) as binding on Jews, but not on Gentiles. There
are rules that were binding on all human beings (the so-called Noachic
laws), but they are quite minimal. The issue that the Church had to
face after Jesus' death was what to do about Gentiles who wanted to
follow Christ. The decision not to impose the Law on them didn't say
that the Law was abolished. It simply acknowledged that fact that it
didn't apply to Gentiles. Thus there is no contradiction with Mat 5.
As far as I can tell, both Paul and other Jewish Christians did
continue to participate in Jewish worship on the Sabbath. Thus they
continued to obey the Law. The issue was (and is) with Gentile
Christians, who are not covered by the Law (or at least not by the
ceremonial aspects of it).
Jesus dealt mostly with Jews. I think we can reasonably assume that
Mat 5 was directed to a Jewish audience. He did interact with
Gentiles a few times (e.g. the centurion whose slave was healed and a
couple of others). The terms used to describe the centurion (see Luke
7) suggest that he was a "God-fearer", i.e. a Gentile who followed
God, but had not adopted the whole Jewish Law. He was commended by
Jewish elders as a worthy person, and Jesus accepted him as such.
This seems to me to indicate that Jesus accepted the prevailing view
that Gentiles need not accept the Law.
However there's more involved if you want to compare Jesus and Paul on
the Law. In order to get a full picture of the role of the Law, we
have to come to grips with Paul's apparent rejection of the Law, and
how that relates to Jesus' commendation of the Law. At least as I
read Paul, he says that the Law serves a purpose that has been in a
certain sense superceded. Again, this issue isn't one of the
abolition of the Law. In the middle of his discussion, Paul notes
that he might be understood this way, and assures us that that's not
what he intends to say. Rather, he sees the Law as primarily being
present to convict people of their sinfulness. But ultimately it's an
impossible standard, and one that has been superceded by Christ.
Paul's comments are not the world's clearest here, and not everyone
agrees with my reading. But the interesting thing to notice is that
even this radical position does not entail an abolition of the Law.
It still remains as an uncompromising standard, from which not an iota
or dot may be removed. For its purpose of convicting of sin, it's
important that it not be relaxed. However for Christians, it's not
the end -- ultimately we live in faith, not Law.
While the theoretical categories they use are rather different, in the
end I think Jesus and Paul come to a rather similar conclusion. The
quoted passage from Mat 5 should be taken in the context of the rest
of the Sermon on the Mount, where Jesus shows us how he interprets the
Law. The "not an iota or dot" would suggest a rather literal reading,
but in fact that's not Jesus' approach. Jesus' interpretations
emphasize the intent of the Law, and stay away from the ceremonial
details. Indeed he is well known for taking a rather free attitude
towards the Sabbath and kosher laws. Some scholars claim that Mat
5:17-20 needs to be taken in the context of 1st Cent. Jewish
discussions. Jesus accuses his opponents of caring about giving a
tenth of even the most minor herbs, but neglecting the things that
really matter: justice, mercy and faith, and caring about how cups and
plates are cleaned, but not about the fact that inside the people who
use them are full of extortion and rapacity. (Mat 23:23-25) This, and
the discussion later in Mat 5, suggest that Jesus has a very specific
view of the Law in mind, and that when he talks about maintaining the
Law in its full strength, he is thinking of these aspects of it.
Paul's conclusion is similar. While he talks about the Law being
superceded, all of the specific examples he gives involve the
"ceremonial law", such as circumcision and the Sabbath. He is quite
concerned about maintaining moral standards.
The net result of this is that when Paul talks about the Law being
superceded, and Jesus talks about the Law being maintained, I believe
they are talking about different aspects of the Law. Paul is
embroiled in arguments about circumcision. As is natural in letters
responding to specific situations, he's looking at the aspect of the
Law that is currently causing trouble: the Law as specifically Jewish
ceremonies. He certainly does not intend to abolish divine standards
of conduct. On the other hand, when Jesus commends the Law, he seems
to be talking the Law in its broadest implications for morals and
human relationships, and deemphasizing those aspects that were later
to give Paul so much trouble.
It's unfortunate that people use the same terms in different ways, but
we should be familiar with that from current conflicts. Look at the
way terms like "family values" take on special meaning from the
current context. Imagine some poor historian of the future trying to
figure out why "family values" should be used as a code word for
opposition to homosexuality in one specific period in the U.S. I
think Law had taken on a similar role in the arguments Paul was
involved in. Paul was clearly not rejecting all of the Jewish values
that go along with the term "Law", any more than people who concerned
about the "family values" movement are really opposed to family
values.
--clh]
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9904 | From: gsu0033@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Eric Molas)
Subject: "Accepting Jeesus in your heart..."
Organization: Educational Computing Network
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Firstly, I am an atheist. I am not posting here as an immature flame
start, but rather to express an opinion to my intended audience.
The meaning of my existence is a question I ask myself daily. I live
in fear of what will happen when I die.
I bet some of you are licking your lips now, because you think that
I'm a person on the edge of accepting jeezus.
I was raised in a religious atmosphere, and attended 13 years of
religious educational institutions.. I know the bible well. So well
I can recognize many passages from memory.
<<****Strong opinions start here...****>>
1) The human being is an _animal_ who has, due to his/her advanced
mental facilities, developed religious as a satisfiable solution to
explain the unexplainable. (For example the ancient Greeks believed
that Apollo drove his chariot across the sky each day was real. Due
to the advancement of our technology, we know this to be false.
Christianity is an infectious cult. The reasons it flourishes are
because 1) it gives people without hope or driven purpose in life
a safety blanked to hide behind. "Oh wow..all i have to do is
follow this christian moral standard and I get eternal happiness."
For all of you "found jeezus" , how many of you were "on the brink?"
but i digress... The other reason christianity flourishes is its
infectious nature. A best friend of mine breifly entered a christian
group and within months, they set ministry guidelines for him which
basicaly said this -->Priority #1 Spread the Word.
We are _just_ animals. We need sleep, food, and we reproduce. And we
die.
Religion (especially Christianity) is nothing more than a DRUG.
Some people use drugs as an escape from reality. Christians inject
themselves with jeezus and live with that high.
It pities me how many millions of lives have been lost in religious
wars, of which Christianity has had no small part.
When Christians see a "non-believer", they say that person is blind
to the truth, but they cannot realize that it is _they_ who live
with this mask of fakeness each day. Jesus was just prophet #37696
who happened to have a large influence because at that time the Romans
were (circa 69ad) dispersing the Jewish population and communities
needed some sort of cohesive element to keep them strong in that time
of dire need.
I must go. These are but a few of my thoughts on Christianity.
--
//Damien Endemyr the Unpure Knight of Doom //
//"So I've acquired a taste for blood and have adopted a nocturnal //
//lifestyle. That Doesnt mean I'm a vampire....." //
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9905 | From: neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard)
Subject: Re: Science and methodology (was: Homeopathy ... tradition?)
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX
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In article <1993Apr15.150550.15347@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> ccreegan@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Charles L. Creegan) writes:
>
>What about Kekule's infamous derivation of the idea of benzene rings
>from a daydream of snakes in the fire biting their tails? Is this
>specific enough to count? Certainly it turns up repeatedly in basic
>phil. of sci. texts as an example of the inventive component of
>hypothesizing.
I sometimes wonder if Kekule's dream wasn't just a wee bit influenced by
aromatic solvent vapors ;-) heh heh.
--
=============================================================================
Neal Howard '91 XLH-1200 DoD #686 CompuTrac, Inc (Richardson, TX)
doh #0000001200 |355o33| neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org
Std disclaimer: My opinions are mine, not CompuTrac's.
"Let us learn to dream, gentlemen, and then perhaps
we shall learn the truth." -- August Kekule' (1890)
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9906 | From: caj@sei.cmu.edu (Carol Jarosz)
Subject: Re: Radio stations
Organization: The Software Engineering Institute
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In article <ragraca.735252641@vela.acs.oakland.edu>,
ragraca@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Randy A. Graca) writes:
|> The Pittsburgh Penguins games used to be
|> broadcast on KDKA 1020, but I don't know whether they will be pre-empted
|> by baseball (and moved to another station) or not. You can try those
|> if the local baseball teams aren't playing at the same time, anyway.
|>
|> --Randy
|>
The Pens are now being broadcast on 102.5 WDVE.
Carol
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9907 | From: rwf2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ROBERT WILLIAM FUSI)
Subject: Re: Too fast
Organization: Lehigh University
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In article <3090@shaman.wv.tek.com>, andrew@frip.WV.TEK.COM (Andrew Klossner) wr
ites:
>[]
>
> "Can I ask. Have any of you been at the speed of 130? It's a
> rush."
>
>So is cocaine. What's your point?
>
> -=- Andrew Klossner (andrew@frip.wv.tek.com)
>Don't know about the cocaine, but....
--
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9908 | From: mwalker@novell.com (Mel Walker)
Subject: Re: Top Ten Ways Slick Willie Could Improve His Standing With Americans
Nntp-Posting-Host: mwalker.npd.provo.novell.com
Organization: Novell, Inc
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In article <C5KMz5.Hy4@newsserver.technet.sg>, ipser@solomon.technet.sg (Ed
Ipser) wrote:
>
>
> Top Ten Ways Slick Willie Could Improve His Standing With Americans
>
>
[deleted for a very good reason which I'm sure you can guess]
>
0. Enact a law that bans people without a sense of humor from
posting allegedly humorous items. If he did this, I think
his approval rating would go through the roof!
> Copyright (c) Edward A. Ipser, Jr., 1993
This means we can't quote Ed without his permission. No using these lists
in your .sigs, folks!
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Mel Walker mwalker@novell.com
All opinions expressed are of the author.
Novell, Inc. is not responsible for the content of this article.
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9909 | From: mhollowa@ic.sunysb.edu (Michael Holloway)
Subject: Re: Science and methodology (was: Homeopathy ... tradition?)
Nntp-Posting-Host: engws5.ic.sunysb.edu
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
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In article <1993Apr16.155919.28040@cs.rochester.edu> fulk@cs.rochester.edu (Mark Fulk) writes:
>In article <C5Kv7p.JM3@unx.sas.com> sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com (Gary Merrill) writes:
>>
>>In article <1993Apr15.200344.28013@cs.rochester.edu>, fulk@cs.rochester.edu (Mark Fulk) writes:
>>What is wrong with the above observation is that it explicitly gives the
>>impression (and you may not in fact hold this view) that the common (perhaps
>>even the "correct") approach for a scientist to follow is to sit around
>>having flights of fancy and scheming on the basis of his jealousies and
>>petty hatreds.
>
>Flights of fancy, and other irrational approaches, are common. The crucial
>thing is not to sit around just having fantasies; they aren't of any use
>unless they make you do some experiments. I've known a lot of scientists
>whose fantasies lead them on to creative work; usually they won't admit
>out loud what the fantasy was, prior to the consumption of a few beers.
The danger in philosophizing about science is that theory and generalization
can end up being far removed from the actual day-to-day of the grunt at the
bench. Yes, its great to be involved in a process were I can walk into the
lab after a heavy night of dreaming and just do something for the hell of it
(as long as my advisor doesn't catch me - which is easy enough to do), but
stamping out such behavior seems to be the purpose in life of grant review
committees and the peer review process in general. In today's world that's
what determines what science is: what gets funded. And a damn good thing to.
Flights of fantasy just don't have much chance of producing anything, at
least not in biomedical research. The surest way for a graduate student to
ruin their life is to work in a lab where the boss is more concerned with
fleshing out his/her fantasies than with having the student work on a project
that actually has a good chance of producing some results. MD's seem to
be particularly prone to this aberrant behavior.
>(Simple example: Warren Jelinek noticed an extremely heavy band on a DNA
>electrophoresis gel of human ALU fragments. He got very excited, hoping that
>he'd seen some essential part of the control mechanism for eukaryotic
>genes. This fantasy led him to sequence samples of the band and carry out
>binding assays. The result was a well-conserved, 400 or so bp, sequence
>that occurs about 500,000 times in the human genome. Unfortunately for
>Warren's fantasy, it turns out to be a transposon that is present in
>so many copies because it replicates itself and copies itself back into
>the genome. On the other hand, the characteristics of transposons were
>much elucidated; the necessity of a cellular reverse transcriptase was
>recognized; and the standard method of recognizing human DNA was created.
>Other species have different sets of transposons. Fortunately for me,
>Warren and I used to eat dinner at T.G.I. Fridays all the time.)
I have to agree with Gary Merrill's response to this. I've read alot of the
Alu and middle repetitive sequence work and it's really very interesting,
good work with implications for many fields in molecular genetics. It's
really an example of how a well reasoned project turned up interesting
results that were unexpected.
Mike
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9910 | From: sigma@rahul.net (Kevin Martin)
Subject: Re: CView answers
Keywords: Stupid Programming
Nntp-Posting-Host: bolero
Organization: a2i network
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In <C5LEvt.1nJ@rahul.net> bryanw@rahul.net (Bryan Woodworth) writes:
>In <1qlobb$p5a@tuegate.tue.nl> renew@blade.stack.urc.tue.nl (Rene Walter) writes:
>[Most info regarding dangers of reading from Floppy disks omitted]
>>unrevcoverable way. SO BE CAREFUL! It is incredibly poor programming for a
>>program to do this...
>Nevertheless, it is an important bug that needs to be squashed. I am
>merely pointing out that it was probably overlooked. While it is serious,
>one must keep in mind that it will probably affect at most 5% of the
>targeted users of CView.
OK, I don't use CView anymore, but I saw that no one had explaind this
"bug" in the thread, so here goes:
It is NOT the fault of CView. It is DOS! If you leave a file open on a
floppy drive, then change the disk and do something which updates or closes
that file, you have a good chance of getting part of the directory and FAT
from the other disk written to the new disk. This has always been true,
and has destroyed data under other programs, not just CView.
The only thing CView can do to improve the situation is to try not to leave
files open unless it's actively using them (ie, reading and decoding).
--
Kevin Martin
sigma@rahul.net
"I gotta get me another hat."
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9911 | From: jasons@atlastele.com (Jason Smith)
Subject: Re: Atheist's views on Christianity (was: Re: "Accepting Jeesus in your heart...")
Organization: Atlas Telecom Inc.
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In article <Apr.13.00.08.22.1993.28397@athos.rutgers.edu> trajan@cwis.unomaha.edu (Stephen McIntyre) writes:
= norris@athena.mit.edu writes:
[ The discussion begins: why does the universe exist at all? ]
=
= Must there be a "why" to this? I ask because of what you also
= assume about God-- namely, that He just exists, with no "why"
= to His existence. So the question is reversed, "Why can't
= we assume the universe just exists as you assume God to
= "just exist"? Why must there be a "why" to the universe?"
One of the Laws of Nature, specifying cause and effect seems to dictate
(at least to this layman's mind) there must be a causal event. No
reasonable alternative exists.
As far as I can tell, the very laws of nature demand a "why". That isn't
true of something outside of nature (i.e., *super*natural).
[ ... ]
=
= It may be that one day man not only can create life but can also
= create man. Now, I don't see this happening in my lifetime,
= nor do I assert it is probable. But the possibility is there,
= given scientists are working hard at "decoding" out "genetic
= code" to perhaps help cure disease of a genetic variation.
= Again, though, must there be "why" or a "divine prupose" to
= man's existence?
I believe the "genetic code" will be entirely deciphered in our lifetimes,
but we will not see man convert entirely inert material into self sustaining,
reproducing life, *ever*. (I've never been much of a prophet, though. I
can't even *picture* New York in my mind 8^] ). I don't believe *any*
technology would be able to produce that necessary *spark* of life, despite
having all of the parts available. Just my opinion.
=
= > When you say that man is *only* an animal, I have to think that you are
= > presenting an unprovable statement -- a dogma, if you will. And one
= > the requires a kind of "faith" too. By taking such a hard line in
= > your atheism, you may have stumbled into a religion of your own.
=
= As far as we can tell, man falls into the "mammal" catagory. Now,
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
That preposition sort of precludes an absolute, doesn't it? Without an
absolute conclusion, what are we left with? I believe the word "faith"
works nicely.
= if there were something more to the man (say, a soul), then
= we have yet to find evidence of such. But as it is now, man
= is a mammal (babies are born live, mother gives milk, we're
= warm-blooded, etc.) as other mammals are and is similar in
= genetic construction to some of them (in particular, primates).
= For more on this check out talk.origins.
=
= > But before you write off all Christianity as phony and shallow, I hope
= > you'll do a little research into its history and varieties, perhaps by
= > reading Paul Johnson's "A History of Christianity". From your remarks,
= > it seems that you have been exposed to certain types of Christian
= > religion and not others. Even an atheist should have enough faith in
= > Man to know that a movement of 2000 years has to have some depth, and
= > be animated by some enduring values.
=
= Well, then, Buddhism, Confucianism, Taoism, Hinduism, Judaism,
= Zoerasterism, Shintoism, and Islam should fit this bit of logic
= quite nicely... :-) All have depth, all have enduring values,
= thus all must be true...
Well then, with an *equal* scale, and under an *equal* standard, investigate
them all, and discover where God is ( or *whether* he is, for the denial of
God is ultimately a statement of faith, non-falsifiable as His existence
may be).
For isn't this the purpose of religion - to discover, and in discovery, to
*know* God?
You don't mind if a few of us send up a prayer on your behalf during your
research, do you? After all, if we of Christ are deluding ourselves, you
really have nothing to worry about, eh?
Until the King returns,
Jason
--
Jason D. Smith |
jasons@atlastele.com | I'm not young enough to know everything.
1x1 |
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9912 | From: fls@keynes.econ.duke.edu (Forrest Smith)
Subject: Braves "Stoppers"
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.
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Nntp-Posting-Host: keynes.econ.duke.edu
The term "stopper" is generally used to refer to a pitcher, one
who can be counted on to pitch a strong game to keep his team from going
on a losing streak.
The Braves have plenty of pitchers to fit this description,
although right now I'd expect Smoltz or Glavine to take the mantle.
What the Braves lack, however, is an offensive stopper,
somebody they can look to to bring them out of their hitting slump.
There's just no one there. The Braves got rid of their best pure
hitter, Lonnie Smith, and only Terry Pendleton on the current roster
has ever shown more than a cursory ability to hit.
Oh, and another thing that worries me. Ron Gant seems to have
slowed down a step. That's scary. A slow Ron Gant doesn't have much going
for him.
--
@econ.duke.edu fls@econ.duke.edu fls@econ.duke.edu fls@econ.duke.
s To my correspondents: My email has been changed. e
l My new address is: fls@econ.duke.edu d
f If mail bounces, try fls@raphael.acpub.duke.edu u
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9913 | From: weaver@chdasic.sps.mot.com (Dave Weaver)
Subject: Re: Assurance of Hell
Lines: 29
In a previous article, lfoard@hopper.virginia.edu (Lawrence C. Foard) writes:
>>
>> did you know that Jesus talked more
>> about hell than He did about heaven!
>
> Thank you for this info. What respect I had for the man now
> has been diminished tenfold. I promise never again to
> say how wise or loving this man was...
I have a hard time understanding this attitude.
If the gospels are the least bit accurate, then there can be little
doubt that Jesus belived hell was a reality.
As a teacher, what would be the wise and loving thing to do if people
in your audience were headed there? To warn them! It would, however,
be rather cruel and/or sadistic to believe that such a place exists
and then remain quiet about it.
The only scenario I can envision in which dimished respect would be
justified is if Jesus knew there was no such place as hell, and spoke
about it anyway, just to scare people. Unless you would accuse Jesus
of this, I would encourage you to reconsider what a loving response
is when you perceive someone to be in danger.
---
Dave Weaver | "He is no fool who gives what
weaver@chdasic.sps.mot.com | he cannot keep to gain what he
| cannot lose." - Jim Elliot (1949)
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9914 | From: 18669@bach.udel.edu (Steven R Hoskins)
Subject: Some questions from a new Christian
Organization: University of Delaware
Lines: 40
Hi,
I am new to this newsgroup, and also fairly new to christianity. I was
raised as a Unitarian and have spent the better part of my life as an
agnostic, but recently I have developed the firm conviction that the
Christian message is correct and I have accepted Jesus into my life. I am
happy, but I realize I am very ignorant about much of the Bible and
quite possibly about what Christians should hold as true. This I am trying
to rectify (by reading the Bible of course), but it would be helpful
to also read a good interpretation/commentary on the Bible or other
relevant aspects of the Christian faith. One of my questions I would
like to ask is - Can anyone recommend a good reading list of theological
works intended for a lay person?
I have another question I would like to ask. I am not yet affiliated
with any one congregation. Aside from matters of taste, what criteria
should one use in choosing a church? I don't really know the difference
between the various Protestant denominations.
Thanks for reading my post.
Sincerely,
Steve Hoskins
[Aside from a commentary, you might also want to consider an
introduction. These are books intended for use in undergraduate Bible
courses. They give historical background, discussion of literary
styles, etc. And generally they have good bibligraphies for further
reading. I typically recommend Kee, Froehlich and Young's NT
introduction. There are also some good one-volume commentaries. They
often have background articles that are helpful. Probably the best
recommendation these days would be Harper's Bible Commentary. (I
think there may be a couple of books with this title. This is a
fairly recent one, like about 1990, done in cooperation with the
Society for Biblical Criticism.) If you are committed to inerrancy,
you will probably prefer something more conservative. I don't read a
lot of conservative books, but a commentary I looked at by Donald
Guthrie looked rather good. He has a NT Introduction, and he's also
editor of Eerdman's Bible Commentary. --clh]
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9915 | From: PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal)
Subject: Re: re: fillibuster
Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education
Lines: 132
In article <C5JpL7.5Cz@dscomsa.desy.de> hallam@dscomsa.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker) writes:
>
>In article <1993Apr12.002302.5262@martha.utcc.utk.edu>, PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) writes:
>
>|>>Come to that under the original plan there wasn't meant to be anything
>|>>much for the federal government to do except keep the British out.
>|>
>|> That's also untrue, but at least we're wandering a little closer
>|>toward reality. That the Articles of Confederation fell apart is enough
>|>proof it was there for just a tad bit more.
>
>Well yes and no. The Federalist papers are propaganda and it is therefore
>difficult to determine precisely what Maddison etc were up to from them.
There are a couple of ways to look at them. One is, "We want
you to support this Constitution, so we'll say anything that we think
will appeal to you," or the more straightforward, "This is why we think
what we've suggested in this Constitution is a good idea."
You clearly consider the former to be the primary situation.
>They
>certainly emphasised a limited role for the federal government but this
>was not necessarily their true position.
Well, I know Hamilton was a dyed in the wool monarchist, and
probably the authoritarian extreme to Jefferson's democratic impules.
But what would you suggest as a means of determining their opinions
on the government if we don't consider what they wrote about the
government?
And is writing in support of something automatically "propoganda"
to the point we must assume it is untrue or that they are saying what
they don't believe?
>|>>And like the house of lords which it is copied from it was given pretty
>|>>wide powers. Unfortunately they started to use them and thus the gridlock
>|>>set in.
>|>
>|> I wasn't aware the House of Lords had "wide powers." I was under the
>|>impression is was pretty powerless compared to the House of Commons, and
>|>certainly didn't have almost equal their powers. (The Senate is restricted
>|>only that it may not introduce bills relating to raising revenue.)
>
>The Senate was less powerful than the House of Lords in the period in
>question.
If the Senate was less powerful than the House of Lords, than
we'd almost have to state that the House of Representatives was also.
(In fact, they both were, because the British government had much
greater power than did the American system).
>|> My reading of the Constitution and other writings gives me absolutely
>|>no reason to believe the Senate wasn't intended to make use of their
>|>law-making powers. In fact, grid-lock appears to have been designed
>|>into the system, with the Senate being a more deliberative body to act
>|>as a check on the more-often elected House.
>
>The system is meant to be slow to react, the problem is that it ended up
>a bit too slow.
I disagree. The system is not too slow, it was simply designed to
handle less than it has demanded that it handle. As somebody in Washington
put it (whose name I forget), "Congress has become everybody's city
council."
Congress is more than capable of quick action, and has more than
enough power and time on its hands, if it confined itself to what its
original jurisidiction was and allowed more local autonomy.
It is not a case of the system of government they created failing,
but that it is operating under a set of conditions they specifically
wanted to avoid. Namely, a concentration of power. It would seem
then that the proper thing to do is not to reduce the power of either
House in some attempt to grease the wheels. All you'll get then is
a system which moves quicker to do stupid things. It would make more
sense to make more decisions at a local level.
>|> On what basis do you suggest that the Senate was supposed to be
>|>some sort of rubber-stamp for the House? You'll note that while the
>|>President's veto may be over-ridden, the House can't do anything about
>|>a "veto" by the Senate.
>
>The Presiden't veto was meant to be entirely separate. Until Bush abused it
>in a quite extraordinary manner it was used more in accord with the intent
>of being a check on unreasonable legislation.
Please explain to me how Bush abused the veto in an "extraordinary"
manner.
>The veto was clearly regarded
>as a completely last gasp measure its use was meant to be restricted to
>preventing the legislature interfering with the actions of the executive.
I fail to see where any restrictions, implied or otherwise, were
placed on the veto. It could just as easily have been read as a means
to put a check on democratically popular but unwise (in the executive's
opinion) policies.
There is no limit in the Constitution to the President's veto power
regarding what a bill is for. Previous Presidents have used the veto
for any number of reasons, most usually having something to do with their
agenda. I am really curious how you single Bush out as *the* President
who abused vetos.
>the Senate is not meant to be exactly a rubber stamp body, it is meant as
>a check on unrestrained legislation. That is the extra measure built into
>the constitution in favour of the status quo, 60% of the representatives
>of the states is not a reasonable restriction.
Why is it not a reasonable restriction? Because 51 Senators
is the magic holy number upon which Laws must be based? If 41 Senators
feel safe enough with their state constituencies to stand up and
fillibuster isn't that *enough* to indicate there's a sufficient question
as to whether a law is a good idea or not to re-evaluate it?
Why one earth *should* 51% be sufficient to enact a law which
covers 250 million people in very, very diverse places and living
in radically different conditions? Why *shouldn't* a super-majority
be required?
Any system in which the simple majority is given absolute power
to ignore the minority then the minority *will* be ignored. I do not
see this as a positive thing. And for all that I'm sure the Republicans
are looking for pork as much as the Democrats, they've got some legitimate
objections to the legislation in question.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
David Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group
PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu - "I still remember the way you laughed, the day
your pushed me down the elevator shaft; I'm beginning to think you don't
love me anymore." - "Weird Al"
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9916 | From: timr@sco.COM (Tim Ruckle)
Subject: Who are The ``Rich''? (was Re: Professors Whining About Pay)
Organization: The Gifted and The Damned
Summary: soak 'em if you got 'em...
Keywords: not me!
Lines: 79
Candidate Clinton promised to tax the rich, and most folks thought that
was a pretty nifty idea. Then President Clinton said he wanted families
who make more than $100,000 to bear 70% of the new tax burden, and many
were quick to complain that their six-figure income does not make them one
of the well-to-do. It's particularly ironic (to me) that it's in those
traditionally liberal enclaves of the Bay Area and academia where the
wealthy are struggling so to fit themselves into the mantle of "just
regular working-class folk".
Nobody will ever admit to being rich; everybody's middle class. So who
are The Rich? Well, I'll throw out some stats from the 1990 Census and
let you be the judge...
Va negvpyr <mzimmersC5E1qK.Fn9@netcom.com>
mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) jevgrf:
} In article <1qcdvbINN5ti@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>
} fogarty@sir-c.jpl.nasa.gov (Tim Fogarty) writes:
} > [...]
} >that would be about $55 to 65 thousand US, and that is what tenured
} >professors can expect to make. For a PhD with say 10 years experience,
} >$65,000 is a lot less than what he could be making in industry.
}
} Oh? As a 12-year veteran of Silicon Valley, I've seen precious few
} employment ads that call for PhDs. And $65K is hardly chump change;
} it's well above the median *household* income for the state.
Bay Area average household income is in the mid-$40,000 range. National
average is $31,889. The Bay Area has nearly twice the national average
of six-figure income households (9.1% vs 4.8%*). The cost-of-living here
may be high, but I don't think it's twice the national average...
} >In Los Angeles, modest home prices can be $500,000.
A 1,500-square-foot tract house in a Bay Area working-class neighborhood
goes for about $250,000. I doubt that the Los Angeles market is all that
different. It would appear that this definition of "modest" is perhaps a
bit immoderate...
} So what? They're no cheaper for those who are gainfully employed.
}
} >In California, $65,000 is not upper-middle-class.
}
} It depends upon your definition; it's clearly above average.
It is more than what two-thirds of California households make. Seems
to me that belonging to the upper one-third is not an unreasonable
definition of "upper-middle-class". Note that if that professor's
spouse earns $35,000 they become one of Clinton's "rich" families.
Here's a breakdown of national, California, and Bay Area household incomes:
<$30K $30-50K $50-100K $100K+
------------------------------------
US 49% 24% 23% 4% * the Census Bureau did some weird
CA 41% 26% 26% 7% rounding here...more like 5%
BA 34% 25% 31% 9%
And to add a little prespective:
A minimum wage earner working 40 hours/week makes $8,840/year. The poverty
line for a family of four is $15,171. If they make up to twice that, the
government considers them to be "working poor". Say we decide to call this
the "lower-middle-class". Then how 'bout:
$30-50K annual income is "middle-class". $50-100K is "upper-middle-class".
$100K+ is "rich". $1,000K+ is "filthy-rich". and $10,000+ is "Bill Gates".
make sense? ;^)
-timr
--
There's nothing surer,
The rich get rich and the poor get poorer,
In the meantime, in between time,
Ain't we got fun.
--Raymond Egan
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9917 | From: eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A Shnekendorf)
Subject: Re: Ten questions about Israel
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Lines: 23
backon@vms.huji.ac.il writes:
>In article <1483500349@igc.apc.org>, cpr@igc.apc.org (Center for Policy Research) writes:
>>
>>
>> 4. Is it true that in Israeli prisons there are a number of
>> individuals which were tried in secret and for which their
>> identities, the date of their trial and their imprisonment are
>> state secrets ?
>Apart from Mordechai Vanunu who had a trial behind closed doors, there was one
>other espionage case (the nutty professor at the Nes Ziona Biological
>Institute who was a K.G.B. mole) who was tried "in camera". I wouldn't exactly
>call it a state secret. The trial was simply tried behind closed doors. I hate
>to disappoint you but the United States has tried a number of espionage cases
>in camera.
One of those US cases was John Pollard.
Ed.
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9918 | From: russotto@eng.umd.edu (Matthew T. Russotto)
Subject: Re: electronic odometers (was: Used BMW Question ..... ???)
Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park
Lines: 33
NNTP-Posting-Host: tea.eng.umd.edu
In article <1993Apr14.174857.28314@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> dje@bmw535.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Don Eilenberger) writes:
}In article <1993Apr14.153740.18542@nimbus.com>, jimiii@nimbus.com (Jim Warford) writes:
}|> There are two simple procedures for alterating any odometer.
}|>
}|> 1. Mechanical driven odometer:
}|> Remove the speedo cable from the transmission.
}|> Attach a drill and run at max speed until the speedo turns over.
}|> Continue until the desired mileage is reached.
}|>
}|> 2. Electronically driven odometer:
}|> Remove the sensor wire from the sensor.
}|> Attach the Calibration out signal from an Oscope to the wire.
}|> Run until the speedo turns over and attains the desired mileage.
}
}Dear Faster.. I kinda wonder.. have you ever tried version 2? On what?
}Since the sensor wire on a BMW feeds also into the computer.. and we
}don't know what signal voltage is expected from it.. bad things
}*could* happen... also since we don't know the pulse rate, we
}may damage the analog part of the speedo (yes.. BMW uses a combined
}instrument.. speed in analog, trip and total milage is digital) with
}the needle pegged up against the 160MPH stop..
}
}Just a thought...
You've got the oscilliscope, so you connect it up to the sensor wire
and measure this stuff. That way you know what it expects.
--
Matthew T. Russotto russotto@eng.umd.edu russotto@wam.umd.edu
Some news readers expect "Disclaimer:" here.
Just say NO to police searches and seizures. Make them use force.
(not responsible for bodily harm resulting from following above advice)
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9919 | From: yoo@engr.ucf.edu (Hoi Yoo)
Subject: Ribbon Information ?
Organization: engineering, University of Central Florida, Orlando
Distribution: usa
Lines: 20
Does anyone out there have or know of, any kind of utility program for
Ribbons?
Ribbons are a popular representation for 2D shape. I am trying to
find symmetry axis in a given any 2D shape using ribbons.
Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated how to start program.
Thanks very much in advance,
Hoi
yoo@engr.ucf.edu
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9920 | From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Subject: After all, Armenians exterminated 2.5 million Muslim people there.
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world
Lines: 297
In article <C5y56o.A62@news.cso.uiuc.edu> hovig@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Hovig Heghinian) writes:
>article. I have no partisan interests --- I would just like to know
>what conversations between TerPetrosyan and Demirel sound like. =)
Very simple.
"X-Soviet Armenian government must pay for their crime of genocide
against 2.5 million Muslims by admitting to the crime and making
reparations to the Turks and Kurds."
After all, your criminal grandparents exterminated 2.5 million Muslim
people between 1914 and 1920.
<C5yyBt.5zo@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
hovig@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Hovig Heghinian)
>To which I say:
>Hear, hear. Motion seconded.
You must be a new Armenian clown. You are counting on ASALA/SDPA/ARF
crooks and criminals to prove something for you? No wonder you are in
such a mess. That criminal idiot and 'its' forged/non-existent junk has
already been trashed out by Mutlu, Cosar, Akgun, Uludamar, Akman, Oflazer
and hundreds of people. Moreover, ASALA/SDPA/ARF criminals are responsible
for the massacre of the Turkish people that also prevent them from entering
Turkiye and TRNC. SDPA has yet to renounce its charter which specifically
calls for the second genocide of the Turkish people. This racist, barbarian
and criminal view has been touted by the fascist x-Soviet Armenian government
as merely a step on the road to said genocide.
Now where shall I begin?
#From: ahmet@eecg.toronto.edu (Parlakbilek Ahmet)
#Subject: YALANCI, LIAR : DAVIDIAN
#Keywords: Davidian, the biggest liar
#Message-ID: <1991Jan10.122057.11613@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu>
Following is the article that Davidian claims that Hasan Mutlu is a liar:
>From: dbd@urartu.SDPA.org (David Davidian)
>Message-ID: <1154@urartu.SDPA.org>
>In article <1991Jan4.145955.4478@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> ahmet@eecg.toronto.
>edu (Ahmet Parlakbilek) asked a simple question:
>[AP] I am asking you to show me one example in which mutlu,coras or any other
>[AP] Turk was proven to lie.I can show tens of lies and fabrications of
>[AP] Davidian, like changing quote , even changing name of a book, Anna.
>The obvious ridiculous "Armenians murdered 3 million Moslems" is the most
>outragious and unsubstantiated charge of all. You are obviously new on this
>net, so read the following sample -- not one, but three proven lies in one
>day!
> - - - start yalanci.txt - - -
[some parts are deleted]
>In article <1990Aug5.142159.5773@cbnewsd.att.com> the usenet scribe for the
>Turkish Historical Society, hbm@cbnewsd.att.com (hasan.b.mutlu), continues to
>revise the history of the Armenian people. Let's witness the operational
>definition of a revisionist yalanci (or liar, in Turkish):
>[Yalanci] According to Leo:[1]
>[Yalanci]
>[Yalanci] "The situation is clear. On one side, we have peace-loving Turks
>[Yalanci] and on the other side, peace-loving Armenians, both sides minding
>[Yalanci] their own affairs. Then all was submerged in blood and fire. Indeed,
>[Yalanci] the war was actually being waged between the Committee of
>[Yalanci] Dashnaktsutiun and the Society of Ittihad and Terakki - a cruel and
>[Yalanci] savage war in defense of party political interests. The Dashnaks
>[Yalanci] incited revolts which relied on Russian bayonets for their success."
>[Yalanci]
>[Yalanci] [1] L. Kuper, "Genocide: Its Political Use in the Twentieth Century,"
>[Yalanci] New York 1981, p. 157.
>This text is available not only in most bookstores but in many libraries. On
>page 157 we find a discussion of related atrocities (which is title of the
>chapter). The topic on this page concerns itself with submissions to the Sub-
>Commission on Prevention of Discrimination of Minorities of the Commission on
>Human Rights of the United Nations with respect to the massacres in Cambodia.
>There is no mention of Turks nor Armenians as claimed above.
- - -
>Vay sarsak, vay yobaz, vay yalanci! Vay Turk milletinin yuz karasi Mutlu vay!
>The depth of foolishness the Turkish Historical Society engages in, while
>covering up the Turkish genocide of the Armenians, is only surpassed by the
>ridiculous "historical" material publicly displayed!
>David Davidian <dbd@urartu.SDPA.org> | The life of a people is a sea, and
Receiving this message, I checked the reference, L.Kuper,"Genocide..." and
what I have found was totally consistent with what Davidian said.The book
was like "voice of Armenian revolutionists" and although I read the whole book,
I could not find the original quota.
But there was one more thing to check:The original posting of Mutlu.I found
the original article of Mutlu.It is as follows:
> According to Leo:[1]
>"The situation is clear. On one side, we have peace-loving Turks and on
> the other side, peace-loving Armenians, both sides minding their own
> affairs. Then all was submerged in blood and fire. Indeed, the war was
> actually being waged between the Committee of Dashnaktsutiun and the
> Society of Ittihad and Terakki - a cruel and savage war in defense of party
> political interests. The Dashnaks incited revolts which relied on Russian
> bayonets for their success."
>[1] B. A. Leo. "The Ideology of the Armenian Revolution in Turkey," vol II,
======================================================================
> p. 157.
======
QUATO IS THE SAME, REFERENCE IS DIFFERENT !
DAVIDIAN LIED AGAIN, AND THIS TIME HE CHANGED THE ORIGINAL POSTING OF MUTLU
JUST TO ACCUSE HIM TO BE A LIAR.
Davidian, thank you for writing the page number correctly...
You are the biggest liar I have ever seen.This example showed me that tomorrow
you can lie again, and you may try to make me a liar this time.So I decided
not to read your articles and not to write answers to you.I also advise
all the netters to do the same.We can not prevent your lies, but at least
we may save time by not dealing with your lies.
And for the following line:
>Vay sarsak, vay yobaz, vay yalanci! Vay Turk milletinin yuz karasi Mutlu vay!
I also return all the insults you wrote about Mutlu to you.
I hope you will be drowned in your lies.
Ahmet PARLAKBILEK
#From: vd8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Vedat Dogan)
#Message-ID: <1993Apr8.233029.29094@news.columbia.edu>
In article <1993Apr7.225058.12073@urartu.sdpa.org> dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) writes:
>In article <1993Apr7.030636.7473@news.columbia.edu> vd8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
>(Vedat Dogan) wrote in response to article <1993Mar31.141308.28476@urartu.
>11sdpa.org> dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) writes:
>
>[(*] Source: "Adventures in the Near East, 1918-1922" by A. Rawlinson,
>[(*] Jonathan Cape, 30 Bedford Square, London, 1934 (First published 1923)
>[(*] (287 pages).
>
>[DD] Such a pile of garbage! First off, the above reference was first published
>[DD] in 1924 NOT 1923, and has 353 pages NOT 287! Second, upon checking page
>[DD] 178, we are asked to believe:
>
>[VD] No, Mr.Davidian ...
>
>[VD] It was first published IN 1923 (I have the book on my desk,now!)
>[VD] ********
>
>[VD] and furthermore,the book I have does not have 353 pages either, as you
>[VD] claimed, Mr.Davidian..It has 377 pages..Any question?..
>
>Well, it seems YOUR book has its total page numbers closer to mine than the
n>crap posted by Mr. [(*]!
o boy!
Please, can you tell us why those quotes are "crap"?..because you do not
like them!!!...because they really exist...why?
As I said in my previous posting, those quotes exactly exist in the source
given by Serdar Argic ..
You couldn't reject it...
>
>In addition, the Author's Preface was written on January 15, 1923, BUT THE BOOK
>was published in 1924.
Here we go again..
In the book I have, both the front page and the Author's preface give
the same year: 1923 and 15 January, 1923, respectively!
(Anyone can check it at her/his library,if not, I can send you the copies of
pages, please ask by sct)
I really don't care what year it was first published(1923 or 1924)
What I care about is what the book writes about murders, tortures,et..in
the given quotes by Serdar Argic, and your denial of these quotes..and your
groundless accussations, etc.
>
[...]
>
>[DD] I can provide .gif postings if required to verify my claim!
>
>[VD] what is new?
>
>I will post a .gif file, but I am not going go through the effort to show there
>is some Turkish modified re-publication of the book, like last time!
I claim I have a book in my hand published in 1923(first publication)
and it exactly has the same quoted info as the book published
in 1934(Serdar Argic's Reference) has..You couldn't reject it..but, now you
are avoiding the real issues by twisting around..
Let's see how you lie!..(from 'non-existing' quotes to re-publication)
First you said there was no such a quote in the given reference..You
called Serdar Argic a liar!..
I said to you, NO, MR.Davidian, there exactly existed such a quote...
(I even gave the call number, page numbers..you could't reject it.)
And now, you are lying again and talking about "modified,re-published book"
(without any proof :how, when, where, by whom, etc..)..
(by the way, how is it possible to re-publish the book in 1923 if it was
first published in 1924(your claim).I am sure that you have some 'pretty
well suited theories', as usual)
And I am ready to send the copies of the necessary pages to anybody who
wants to compare the fact and Mr.Davidian's lies...I also give the call number
and page numbers again for the library use, which are:
949.6 R 198
and the page numbers to verify the quotes:218 and 215
>
>It is not possible that [(*]'s text has 287 pages, mine has 353, and yours has
>377!
Now, are you claiming that there can't be such a reference by saying "it is
not possible..." ..If not, what is your point?
Differences in the number of pages?
Mine was published in 1923..Serdar Argic's was in 1934..
No need to use the same book size and the same letter
charachter in both publications,etc, etc.. does it give you an idea!!
The issue was not the number of pages the book has..or the year
first published..
And you tried to hide the whole point..
the point is that both books have the exactly the same quotes about
how moslems are killed, tortured,etc by Armenians..and those quotes given
by Serdar Argic exist!!
It was the issue, wasn't-it?
you were not able to object it...Does it bother you anyway?
You name all these tortures and murders (by Armenians) as a "crap"..
People who think like you are among the main reasons why the World still
has so many "craps" in the 1993.
Any question?
<C5wwqA.9wL@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
hovig@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Hovig Heghinian)
> Hmm ... Turks sure know how to keep track of deaths, but they seem to
>lose count around 1.5 million.
Well, apparently we have another son of Dro 'the Butcher' to contend with.
You should indeed be happy to know that you rekindled a huge discussion on
distortions propagated by several of your contemporaries. If you feel
that you can simply act as an Armenian governmental crony in this forum
you will be sadly mistaken and duly embarrassed. This is not a lecture to
another historical revisionist and a genocide apologist, but a fact.
I will dissect article-by-article, paragraph-by-paragraph, line-by-line,
lie-by-lie, revision-by-revision, written by those on this net, who plan
to 'prove' that the Armenian genocide of 2.5 million Turks and Kurds is
nothing less than a classic un-redressed genocide. We are neither in
x-Soviet Union, nor in some similar ultra-nationalist fascist dictatorship,
that employs the dictates of Hitler to quell domestic unrest. Also, feel
free to distribute all responses to your nearest ASALA/SDPA/ARF terrorists,
the Armenian pseudo-scholars, or to those affiliated with the Armenian
criminal organizations.
Armenian government got away with the genocide of 2.5 million Turkish men,
women and children and is enjoying the fruits of that genocide. You, and
those like you, will not get away with the genocide's cover-up.
Not a chance.
Serdar Argic
'We closed the roads and mountain passes that
might serve as ways of escape for the Turks
and then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
(Ohanus Appressian - 1919)
'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists
a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)
|
9921 | From: ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer)
Subject: Re: x86 ~= 680x0 ?? (How do they compare?)
Organization: Netcom. San Jose, California
Distribution: usa
Lines: 36
dhk@ubbpc.uucp (Dave Kitabjian) writes ...
>I'm sure Intel and Motorola are competing neck-and-neck for
>crunch-power, but for a given clock speed, how do we rank the
>following (from 1st to 6th):
> 486 68040
> 386 68030
> 286 68020
040 486 030 386 020 286
>While you're at it, where will the following fit into the list:
> 68060
> Pentium
> PowerPC
060 fastest, then Pentium, with the first versions of the PowerPC
somewhere in the vicinity.
>And about clock speed: Does doubling the clock speed double the
>overall processor speed? And fill in the __'s below:
> 68030 @ __ MHz = 68040 @ __ MHz
No. Computer speed is only partly dependent of processor/clock speed.
Memory system speed play a large role as does video system speed and
I/O speed. As processor clock rates go up, the speed of the memory
system becomes the greatest factor in the overall system speed. If
you have a 50MHz processor, it can be reading another word from memory
every 20ns. Sure, you can put all 20ns memory in your computer, but
it will cost 10 times as much as the slower 80ns SIMMs.
And roughly, the 68040 is twice as fast at a given clock
speed as is the 68030.
--
Ray Fischer "Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth
ray@netcom.com than lies." -- Friedrich Nietzsche
|
9922 | From: sciamanda@edinboro.edu
Subject: Re: Emergency Vehicle Sensors? traffic-light-phreaks?
Organization: Edinboro University of PA
Lines: 21
In article <LINNIG.93Apr7154239@m2000.dseg.ti.com>, linnig@m2000.dseg.ti.com (Mike Linnig) writes:
> Folks,
>
> Here in the Dallas area I have noticed that it is quite common to see an odd
> "sensor" on top of traffic lights. These have been here for at least six
> years. I've often wondered what they are.
> . . .
> Mike Linnig, Texas Instruments Inc. | 97.43% of all statistics are made |
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Here in Erie, PA there is a system in the inner city called Rado-Lite (a
trade name) which allows police and ambulance vehicles to gain right of
way by controlling traffic lights through RADIO signals. The receivers
look much like what you describe, but they include a UHF whip antenna (less
than a foot tall) and a light which flashes on and off to let traffic know that
an emergency vehicle has taken control and is approaching. Local folklore
says this system was invented here; I don't know if this company has any
other installations. It has been in operation for at least 30 years, going
only by my memory.
Bob Sciamanda
Edinboro Univ of PA
|
9923 | From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)
Subject: Re: <Political Atheists?
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Lines: 62
NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu
(reference line trimmed)
SSAUYET@eagle.wesleyan.edu (SCOTT D. SAUYET) writes:
>First, I'll make the assumption that you agree that a murderer is one
>who has commited murder.
Well, I'd say that a murderer is one who intentionally committed a murder.
For instance, if you put a bullet into a gun that was thought to contain
blanks, and someone was killed with such a gun, the person who actually
performed the action isn't the murderer (but I guess this is actually made
clear in the below definition).
>I'd be interested to see a more reasonable definition.
What do you mean by "reasonable?"
>Otherwise, your inductive definition doesn't bottom out:
>Your definition, in essence, is that
>>Murder is the intentional killing of someone who has not commited
>>murder, against his will.
>Expanding the second occurence of `murder' in the above, we see that
[...]
Yes, it is bad to include the word being defined in the definition. But,
even though the series is recursively infinite, I think the meaning can
still be deduced.
>I assume you can see the problem here. To do a correct inductive
>definition, you must define something in terms of a simpler case, and
>you must have one or several "bottoming out" cases. For instance, we
>can define the factorial function (the function which assigns to a
>positive integer the product of the positive integers less than or
>equal to it) on the positive integers inductively as follows:
[math lesson deleted]
Okay, let's look at this situation: suppose there is a longstanding
feud between two families which claim that the other committed some
travesty in the distant past. Each time a member of the one family
kills a member of the other, the other family thinks that it is justified
in killing a that member of the first family. Now, let's suppose that this
sequence has occurred an infinite number of times. Or, if you don't
like dealing with infinities, suppose that one member of the family
goes back into time and essentially begins the whole thing. That is, there
is a never-ending loop of slayings based on some non-existent travesty.
How do you resolve this?
Well, they are all murders.
Now, I suppose that this isn't totally applicable to your "problem," but
it still is possible to reduce an uninduced system.
And, in any case, the nested "murderer" in the definition of murder
cannot be infintely recursive, given the finite existence of humanity.
And, a murder cannot be committed without a killing involved. So, the
first person to intentionally cause someone to get killed is necessarily
a murderer. Is this enough of an induction to solve the apparently
unreducable definition? See, in a totally objective system where all the
information is available, such a nested definition isn't really a problem.
keith
|
9924 | From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)
Subject: Re: Need tone decoder circuit
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology
Lines: 14
In article <5170286@hplsla.hp.com> tomb@hplsla.hp.com (Tom Bruhns) writes:
>>Does anybody out there have a circuit that will decode a 1000Hz tone?
>
>Use a NE567 tone decoder PLL chip...
My impression -- it's not an area I've played with much -- is that the
much-beloved NE567 is basically obsolete. If you want to detect a 1kHz
tone, set a switched-capacitor filter chip to that frequency, feed your
input to it, and see if anything comes out the other end. The NE567 was
what you used when good clean bandpass filters were hard to do; nowadays
they're easy, and the results are better.
--
All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology
- Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry
|
9925 | From: ccdarg@dct.ac.uk (Alan Greig)
Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!!
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology
Lines: 22
In article <C5tEnu.112F@ns1.nodak.edu>, green@plains.NoDak.edu (Bill Green) writes:
> And a few other questions. Like I said, I believe the actions taken, in
> general, were proper. But I still have some reservations.
We've heard a lot of talk about brainwashing in Waco but the brainwashing
of the general population never ceases to amaze me. Here is an
example of action being taken which results in the worst possible
outcome and despite people's deep intuition telling them something
is wrong the programming will still cut in and say that the
agents probably acted in good faith. NO THEY DIDN'T. They either did
not have enough information to act in good faith or else they acted
knowing the risk. Sums up human stupidity all over and one of these
days it will destroy the fucking planet: "Oh sorry. Didn't think they
would respond by launching a strike. All our best calculations told
us they were bluffing."
--
Alan Greig Janet: A.Greig@uk.ac.dct
Dundee Institute of Technology Internet: A.Greig@dct.ac.uk
Tel: (0382) 308810 (Int +44 382 308810)
** Never underestimate the power of human stupidity **
|
9926 | From: trajan@cwis.unomaha.edu (Stephen McIntyre)
Subject: Re: The Problem of Satan (used to be: islamic authority over women)
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Lines: 103
In article <1993Apr5.165233.1007@news.unomaha.edu> trajan@cwis.unomaha.edu
(Stephen McIntyre) writes:
> Of course, Bobby then states that Satan has no free will, that
> he does as God wants him to. This brings up a host of
> paradoxes: is God therefore evil; do I have free will
> or is God directing me also; if God is evil, which part
> of his infinite self is good and which is evil; etc.?
> I would like for once a solid answer, not a run-about.
# I hope I gave you a fairly solid answer to this one: I simply don't agree
# with the embodied version of a Satan who is a separate creation or a force.
# I wrote:
>> The belief to which I ascribe is that evil is not a creation;
>> rather, it is "the absence of good." This fits with all the
>> logic about things having dual use: e.g., a knife can be used
>> to sculpt and it can be used to kill. Like entropy, evil is
>> seen in this view as neither force nor entity. Satan is,
>> therefore, metaphorical. In fact, there are several verses
>> of the Holy Qur'an which appear to support this view and several
>> Traditions as well.
>
>> For example, there is a Tradition that food should never be left open
>> on a shelf or table overnight, lest "Satan" enter it. It appears
>> that this is a reference to as yet undiscovered germs; thus, the
>> evil effect of spoiled food is described as "Satan."
>But there are many examples of Satan personified. Which am I
> to believe?
# And there are quite physical descriptions of Heaven and Hell in the
# Holy Qur'an, the Bible, etc. There have been times in the spiritual
# and intellectual evolution of the modern human when these physical
# descriptions of Heaven, Hell, and Satan were taken quite literally
# and that *worked* for the time. As I mentioned in the Tradition
# cited above, for example, it was sufficient in the absence of a theory
# about germs and disease spread by worms to simply describe the "evil"
# which was passed to a consumer of spoiled food as "satanic."
Which begs the question: if Satan in this case is
metaphorical, how can you be certain Allah is not
the same way?
# The bottom line here, however, is that describing a spiritual plane
# in human language is something like describing "color" to a person
# who has been blind from birth. You may want to read the book
# FLATLAND (if you haven't already) or THE DRAGON'S EGG. The first
# is intended as a light hearted description of a mathematical con-
# cept...
[some deleted for space saving]
# When language fails because it cannot be used to adequately describe
# another dimension which cannot be experienced by the speakers, then
# such conventions as metaphor, allegory, and the like come to be
# necessary. The "unseen" is described in terms which have reference`
# and meaning for the reader/listener. But, like all models, a compro-
# mise must be made when speaking metaphorically: clarity and directness
# of meaning, equivalence of perception, and the like are all
# crippled. But what else can you do?
This is why I asked the above. How would you then
know God exists as a spirit or being rather than
just being metaphorical? I mean, it's okay to say
"well, Satan is just metaphorical," but then you
have to justify this belief AND justify that God is
not some metaphor for something else.
I say this because there are many, many instances of
Satan described as a being (such as the tormentor in
the Old Testament book of Job, or the temptor in the
New Testament Gospels). In the same way, God too is
described as a being (or spirit.) How am I to know
one is metaphorical and not the other.
Further, belief in God isn't a bar to evil. Let's
consider the case of Satanists: even if Satan were
metaphorical, the Satanist would have to believe
in God to justify this belief. Again, we have a
case where someone does believe in God, but by
religious standards, they are "evil." If Bobby
does see this, let him address this question also.
[deleted some more on "metaphor"]
>> Obviously more philosophizing on this issue is possible, but I'm
>> not sure that the readers of this newsgroup would want to delve
>> into religious interpretation further. However, if anyone wishes
>> to discuss this, I'm certainly willing (either off line - e-mail - or
>> on line - posting).
Stephen
_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ * Atheist
_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ * Libertarian
_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ * Pro-individuality
_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ * Pro-responsibility
_/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Jr. * and all that jazz...
--
|
9927 | From: warren@itexjct.jct.ac.il (Warren Burstein)
Subject: Re: To be exact, 2.5 million Muslims were exterminated by the Armenians.
Organization: ITEX, Jerusalem, Israel
Lines: 33
ac = In <9304202017@zuma.UUCP> sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
pl = linden@positive.Eng.Sun.COM (Peter van der Linden)
pl: 1. So, did the Turks kill the Armenians?
ac: So, did the Jews kill the Germans?
ac: You even make Armenians laugh.
ac: "An appropriate analogy with the Jewish Holocaust might be the
ac: systematic extermination of the entire Muslim population of
ac: the independent republic of Armenia which consisted of at
ac: least 30-40 percent of the population of that republic. The
ac: memoirs of an Armenian army officer who participated in and
ac: eye-witnessed these atrocities was published in the U.S. in
ac: 1926 with the title 'Men Are Like That.' Other references abound."
Typical Mutlu. PvdL asks if X happened, the response is that Y
happened. Even if we grant that the Armenians *did* do what Cosar
accuses them of doing, this has no bearing on whether the Turks did
what they are accused of.
While I can understand how an AI could be this stupid, I
can't understand how a human could be such a moron as to either let
such an AI run amok or to compose such pointless messages himself.
I do not expect any followup to this article from Argic to do anything
to alleviate my puzzlement. But maybe I'll see a new line from his
list of insults.
--
/|/-\/-\
|__/__/_/
|warren@
/ nysernet.org
|
9928 | From: andreas@appel012.hydromech.uni-hannover.de (Andreas Dunker)
Subject: mail
Organization: University of Hannover, FRG
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Lines: 12
Hello networld,
I'm looking for an X mailreader. Is there a Xelm?
Andreas
--
_______________________________________________________________________________
Andreas Dunker
andreas@appel012.hydromech.uni-hannover.de We all live in a yellow subroutine
andreas@veeble.han.de The Beatles
|
9929 | From: mccoy@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov (Daniel McCoy)
Subject: Re: compiling on sun4_411
Reply-To: mccoy@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov
Organization: I-NET Inc.
Lines: 27
In article qfe00WB2QzZ7EZ@andrew.cmu.edu, Wilson Swee <ws8n+@andrew.cmu.edu> () writes:
|> I have a piece of X code that compiles fine on pmax-ul4, pmax_mach, as
|>well as sun4_mach, but whenever it compiles on sun4_411, it gives me
|>undefined ld errors:
|>_sin
|>_cos
|>_pow
|>_floor
|>_get_wmShellWidgetClass
|>_get_applicationShellWidgetClass
|>
|>The following libraries that I linked it to are:
|>-lXaw -lXmu -lXt -lXext -lX11
|>
|>The makefile is generated off an imake template.
|>Can anyone give me pointers as to what I'm missing out to compile on
|>a sun4_411?
Well, the first 2 are easy. You need the math library. Try adding -lm after
-lX11. Don't know if that's the whole problem but it's a start.
---
Daniel J. McCoy |=> SPACE <=| I-NET, Inc.
NASA Mail Code PT4 |=> IS <=| TEL: 713-483-0950
NASA/Johnson Space Center |=> OUR <=| FAX: 713-244-5698
Houston, Texas 77058 |=> FUTURE <=| mccoy@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov
|
9930 | From: wcs@anchor.ho.att.com (Bill Stewart +1-908-949-0705)
Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more.
Organization: Sorcerer's Apprentice Cleaning Services
In-Reply-To: amanda@intercon.com's message of Mon, 19 Apr 1993 11:18:47 -0500
Nntp-Posting-Host: rainier.ho.att.com
Lines: 28
For example, I don't own a cordless phone. With Clipper, I would. If the
local men in blue really want to listen to me talk to my friends or order
pizza, I'm no worse off than I am now, and I don't have to worry about
local kids or nosy neighbors.
I do tend to agree. Sigh.
So, where can I buy a DES-encrypted cellular phone? How much does it cost?
Of course, if we didn't have government monopolies on cellular phone service,
there probably *would* be some available.
> How can you reconcile the administrations self proclaimed purpose of
> providing law enforcement with access to encrypted data without making
> the clipper system the only crypto available in the U.S... ?
The Second and Fourth Amendments do come to mind.
The Second Amendment is especially apt, given the ITAR definitions of
crypto equipment as munitions, and the gun-control people's increasing
ability to define things as "assault weapons" and make them illegal.
Triple-DES is obviously used for "assault phones", while
Cripple will be legal, and Triple-Cripple may fall into the gray area
of "illegally upgrading to an assault phone"...
--
# Pray for peace; Bill
# Bill Stewart 1-908-949-0705 wcs@anchor.att.com AT&T Bell Labs 4M312 Holmdel NJ
# No, I'm *from* New Jersey, I only *work* in cyberspace....
# White House Commect Line 1-202-456-1111 fax 1-202-456-2461
|
9931 | From: tpremo@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Cinnamon Bear)
Subject: Onkyo 55w/ch integrated amp forsale:
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Distribution: usa
Lines: 18
I have a Onkyo integrated amplifier that I am looking to get rid of.
60w/ch
integra series
works great
not a problem
Asking $100 OBO
If your interested call me at (317)743-2656 or email this address.
MAKE ME AN OFFER!!!
Todd
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(___________________________________ % Todd Premo
/ / / % Purdue Universtiy
/ __ __ / __ / % Environmental Engineering
|
9932 | From: abigail@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Shawn Abigail)
Subject: Re: ONLINE BIBLE as bible study
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON
Lines: 54
In <Apr.15.00.58.10.1993.28876@athos.rutgers.edu> eng10205@nusunix1.nus.sg (LING SIEW WEE) writes:
>Hello, I am about to embark on a bible study on ACTS. I have online
>bible software with me. I would like to know the the background of the
>authors of its various topics articles and about the author of the
>People's New Testament. I need to know how realible is the articles in
>the Online Bible software. Specifically (for your convenience) I want to
>know about the :
> 1. Darby Translation ( I have never heard of this one)
J.N. Darby was one of the founders of the "Plymouth Brethren" and an
early supporter of dispensationalism. F.F. Bruce highly approved
of his translation. He also translated the Bible into several other
languages.
> 2. Young's Literal Translation (I have also never heard
>of)
This was from the same fellow who did Young's Concordance, which was
a standard reference work, similar to Strong's concordance.
> 3. The realiability of the Hebrew/Greek Lexicon
I believe that these just follow standard reference works.
> 4. The authors (from which denomination etc) of the
>articles in the TOPICS modules.
Some are by Larry Pierce ("Brethren"), some are by Baptists, and I
think that Thompson (of chain reference fame) was Presbyterian)
> 5. The realiability of the Treasury of Scripture
>Knowlege ( as I have never heard of too)
Another standard reference work that has been around for decades.
A new version was just released and is available through Christian
Book Distributers.
> 6. Who are the commentators, Scofield and B.W. Johnson
>who wrote the Scofield Reference Bible and the People's New Testament respectively
C.I. Scofield was the creator of the Scofield Reference Bible. For many
people (but not me), this is THE STUDY BIBLE. The notes are strongly
dispensational.
> 7. The realiability of the Strong numbers.
These are probably the most accurate Strong's numbers available.
Shawn Abigail
abigail@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca
|
9933 | From: spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope)
Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition?
Organization: U.C. Berkeley -- ERL
Lines: 13
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: zion.berkeley.edu
Carl Lydick:
> And you're condemning one particular ingredient without any
> evidence that that's the ingredient to which you reacted.
Believe what you will.
The mass of anectdotal evidence, combined with the lack of
a properly constructed scientific experiment disproving
the hypothesis, makes the MSG reaction hypothesis the
most likely explanation for events.
Steve
|
9934 | From: Wales.Larrison@ofa123.fidonet.org
Subject: Space Advertising (2 of 2)
X-Sender: newtout 0.08 Feb 23 1993
Lines: 82
Two developments have brought these type of activities back to
the forefront in 1993. First, in February, the Russians deployed a
20-m reflector from a Progress vehicle after it had departed from
the Mir Space Station. While this "Banner" reflector was blank,
NPO Energia was very active in reporting that future Banner
reflectors will be available to advertisers, who could use a space-
based video of their logo or ad printed on the Banner in a TV
commercial, as filmed from the Mir.
The second development, has been that Space Marketing Inc, the
same company responsible for merchandising space on the Conestoga
booster and COMET spacecraft, is now pushing the "Environmental
Billboard". As laid out by SMI Chief Engineer Dr Ron Humble of the
University of Colorado Space Laboratory and Preston Carter of the
Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, the "Environmental
Billboard" is a large inflatable outer support structure of up to
804x1609 meters. Advertising is carried by a mylar reflective area,
deployed by the inflatable 'frame'.
To help sell the concept, the spacecraft responsible for
maintaining the billboard on orbit will carry "ozone reading
sensors" to "continuously monitor the condition of the Earth's
delicate protective ozone layer," according to Mike Lawson, head of
SMI. Furthermore, the inflatable billboard has reached its minimum
exposure of 30 days it will be released to re-enter the Earth's
atmosphere. According to IMI, "as the biodegradable material burns,
it will release ozone-building components that will literally
replenish the ozone layer." The remaining spacecraft will monitor
the atmosphere for another year before it, too, re-enters and burns
up and "adds to the ozone supply."
This would not be a cheap advertisement, costing at least several
millions of dollars (exact costs were not available). But SMI
estimates that market exposure would be 3-5X that of the people who
watched the SuperBowl, where a 30-second advertising 'unit' cost
$600,000. Since SMI is located in Atlanta, Georgia, it is being
promoted as being available in time for the opening of the 1996
Summer Olympics in Atlanta.
But back to Brian's questions:
>And does anyone have any more details other than what was in the WN
>news blip? How serious is this project? Is this just in the "wild
>idea" stage or does it have real funding?
See above. As for serious -- if they can get $15-20 M or so (my
estimate of $5-10 for development costs and a flight unit, plus
$10-15 M for a launch), then it's probably real. They are claiming to
tailor the orbit to overfly specific locations at specific times for
optimum advertising impact so they probably can't piggy back upon
someone else's planned launch and will have to buy a dedicated
launch. That's a $10-15 M cost they need to raise, right there.
And there will probably be some legal challenges to this as
well. Note there is one potential legal challenge to SMI on the use
of launch vehicle advertising already. While I don't think the
legal challenges would win out (and yes, I am an amateur astronomer,
and no, I don't really like the idea of this additional light
pollution, but I know of no prohibition of it...), the legal
challenges and court fights would probably remove any positive
aspects of the advertising. I can imagine several ways to make the
advertisers look like louts for doing this -- which would change
positive market exposure to negative market exposure, and negate the
space advertising advantage. (Would you spend $15 M to look like an
idiot?)
(And light pollution might not be too bad -- if it's in a low
enough orbit, and it relies upon reflected light only, it would
only be visible for a short time just after local dusk and before
dawn. For maximum market exposure, you want to have it visible just
after dusk --minimizing impact on astronomy, since that's the time
of worse seeing due to day/night thermal turbulence. It might still
be a problem, but perhaps there are ways to mitigate this...)
As for having real funding -- none that I can identify. There
were about 60 expressions of interest made on the Conestoga
advertising opportunity, but that included curious folks and was for
only a $500,000 commitment. I haven't heard of any serious funding
for this, but I'm sure they are shopping the venture around looking
for some money in order to flesh out the concept some more. But I
am confident there are no firm or paying customers at this time.
And if anybody wants to cross-post this to sci.astro, please be
my guest. I don't have posting privileges to that area (or at least
I don't THINK I do...).
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Wales Larrison Space Technology Investor
--- Maximus 2.01wb
|
9935 | From: phantom@diku.dk (Haktan Bulut)
Subject: Is 980-1MB/sec. HD transfer slow for 486DX-50 EISA with UltraStor24F
Keywords: SCSI
Organization: Department of Computer Science, U of Copenhagen
Lines: 27
Hi. I recently switched my old Amiga 500 with a 486DX-50. My computer
configuration is :
486DX-50 Mhz. 8/256 kB EISA (Micronics Motherboard ASIC EISA 50Mhz)
16MB Ram
ST3283N 248 MB Harddisk, SCSI
UltraStor24F EISA Cache Controller
When I use Norton6.0 Harddisk benchmark, I get a Harddisk data transfer
about 980 kb/sec. and sometimes 1MB/sec. Is that good ? I thought
that with EISA I could get about 2MB/sec.
Somewhere in the manual for my harddisk I have read, that some host
adapters need to perform a low-level format to optimize the harddisk
performance in that system, do I need that ?
A guy I know, gets a HD transfer about 1.2MB/sec, and he has an ST3283A and
a ISA 486DX-50, how can a ISA with the same system be faster ?
Is there anything that I can do to get a speedier harddisk ?
Thanks.
phantom@diku.dk (e-mail is preffered)
Working on a sign...... "Are we live or on tape ??"
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9936 | From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras)
Subject: Re: The Cold War: Who REALLY Won?
Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc.
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Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: dale.handheld.com
In article <1993Apr20.220335.9235@linus.mitre.org> glover@tafs2.mitre.org
(Graham K. Glover) writes:
> If one reasons that the United States of America at one time represented
> and protected freedom << individual liberty and personal responsibility >>
> (and I do, in fact, think that this is true) and that totalitarianism <<
> absolute government control and tyranny >> represents freedom's opposite
> (which it does), did the USA really win the cold war?
Of course not. The USA's only hope is for Yelsen (how ever you spell it) to
fail the referendum, and have the hard-liners take over again.
>
> Standard disclaimers ALWAYS apply!
>
> ----------------
> Graham K. Glover
> ----------------
>
> UNMUTUAL
--
jmd@handheld.com
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"I'm always rethinking that. There's never been a day when I haven't rethought
that. But I can't do that by myself." Bill Clinton 6 April 93
"If I were an American, as I am an Englishman, while a foreign troop was landed
in my country, I never would lay down my arms,-never--never--never!"
WILLIAM PITT, EARL OF CHATHAM 1708-1778 18 Nov. 1777
|
9937 | From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
Subject: Re: New to Motorcycles...
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View
Lines: 26
In article <1993Apr20.131800.16136@alw.nih.gov> gregh@niagara.dcrt.nih.gov (Gregory Humphreys) writes:
}1) I only have about $1200-1300 to work with, so that would have
}to cover everything (bike, helmet, anything else that I'm too
}ignorant to know I need to buy)
The following numbers are approximate, and will no doubt get me flamed:
Helmet (new, but cheap) $100
Jacket (used or very cheap) $100
Gloves (nothing special) $ 20
Motorcycle Safety Foundation riding course (a must!) $140
That leaves you between $900 and $1000 (depending on the accuracy
of my numbers) to buy a used bike, get it registered, get it
insured, and get it running properly. I'd say you're cutting
it close. Perhaps if your parents are reasonable, and you indicated
your wish to learn to ride safely, you could get them to pick up
the cost of the MSF course and some of the safety gear. Early
holiday presents or whatever. Those are one-time (well, long-term
anyway) investments, and you could spend your money on the actual
bike, insurance, registration, and maintenance.
--
Curtis Jackson cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com '91 Hawk GT '81 Maxim 650
DoD#0721 KotB '91 Black Lab mix "Studley Doright" '92 Collie/Golden "George"
"There is no justification for taking away individuals' freedom
in the guise of public safety." -- Thomas Jefferson
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9938 | From: wwarf@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Wayne J. Warf)
Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!!
Nntp-Posting-Host: silver.ucs.indiana.edu
Organization: Indiana University
Lines: 46
In article <C5tEnu.112F@ns1.nodak.edu> green@plains.NoDak.edu (Bill Green) writes:
>Just to shed some light on the fire, it was widely reported (AP, etc.) that
>there WERE several witnesses to BD folks starting the fires. It has also
>been reported that the fires broke out in several places at once, which
>rules out a Bradley knocking over a lamp, etc. as the cause.
The only folks claiming this are the ATF/FBI who have an interest in
putting the blame on the BD's. Wake up.
>What I would like to see is some serious discussion of this incident. I
>believe the moves made were right and proper, but I still have some problems
>with some of the tactics. After watching the ABC special on it tonight, as
>well as CNN and Nightline, I question some of the ATF and FBI actions.
Right and proper? How? It was FUBAR from day 1.
>1) Could it have been possible to have taken Koresh outside the compound at
>some time before the Feb. 28th raid?
>
From all independent sources. Yes.
>2) Could a further wait have resulted in a different outcome.
It would have hurt nothing to wait and the result could hardly have been
worse.
>3) Were FBI actions (blaring loudspeakers, etc.) the "right" course of action?
Sure, it you want to someone you claim is a dangerous paranoid even
more paranoid.
>And a few other questions. Like I said, I believe the actions taken, in
>general, were proper. But I still have some reservations.
>
>One other point, I'm no fan of Janet Reno, but I do like the way she had the
>"balls" to go ahead and take full responsibility. Seems like the waffle boy
>had problems figuring out just where he stood on the issue.
And what makes you think that "waffle boy" didn't tell her to take the
wrap. It was job preservation not "balls".
--
+ Wayne J. Warf -- WWARF@ucs.indiana.edu -- I speak for myself only +
|*Clinton*Gore*CIA*FBI*DEA*Assassinate*Bomb*WoD*BoR*ATF*IRS*Resist*NSA* |
|*Christian*God*Satan*Apocalypse*ZOG*Nazi*Socialist*Communist*Explosive*|
+*fundamentalist*revolution*NSC*Federal Reserve*Constitution*gold*FEMA* +
|
9939 | From: kaul@vnet.ibm.com
Subject: Re: Monitor for XGA
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.17h by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Lines: 18
Reply-To: kaul@vnet.ibm.com
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research
In <C5IFpG.7HC@news.claremont.edu> dhosek@jarthur.claremont.edu (D Hosek) writes:
>What is the recommended monitor for XGA? Can I just use any old sVGA
>monitor, or is something more needed? Mostly curious before I go blowing
>a monster wad of cash on a new system.
XGA or XGA-2? For the original XGA you just need something that can do
1024x768 at 45/90Hz interlaced (just tell them "8514 compatible" and they
should get the idea). For the XGA-2, get what you like. I prefer multi-
syncs like the IBM 6319, the NECs or even a fixed frequency monitor like
my home Viewsonic 6. I like the Multisyncs because it's easy to run them
in modes like 800x600x64k colors noninterlaced, or at higher modes like
1360x1024x16.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Dick Kaul | My opinions only, not official IBM positions, etc--
IBM XGA Development | they'd make me wear a suit if I were to speak for IBM.
Boca Raton, FL | "Shhhh... The maestro is decomposing."
kaul@vnet.ibm.com
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9940 | Subject: Re: WINBENCH 3.11 help -- graphics comparison?!?
From: franklig@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Gregory C Franklin )
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson
Lines: 32
In article <1pqd9hINNbmi@zephyr.grace.cri.nz> srg3sir@grv.grace.cri.nz writes:
>
>
>In article <C4zoGD.C56@news.udel.edu> swyatt@bach.udel.edu (Stephen L Wyatt) writes:
>>I have a question about WINBENCH (pc labs thing) 3.11..
>>
>>I have a 386/33 and a Ahead B (512k) card and got these results-
>>
>>windows vga driver - 2.44 million
>>ahead B (640-480-256) driver - 455,000 winmarks
>>windows svga (800-600-16) driver - 1.68 million winmarks...
>>
>>I was thinking about upgrading to a diamond 24x card.. I read it had about
>>8 million winmark..
>
>On my 386dx 33Mhz 4Mb RAM
>Winbench 2.5
> 24x v2.02 16.7M 1,668,274
> v2.03 16.7M 1,668,985
> v2.03 16 4,602,428
> v2.03 256 7,635,278
Be very careful with these results! As I recall, numbers from Winbench
2.5 are calculated differently from 3.1, and so these figures are not
comparable.
However, to answer Stephen's question, replacing the Ahead B card with
a Diamond 24x will yield a cost-effective, dramatic speed increase for
Windows. That or the ATI Graphics Ultra Plus....
--
Greg Franklin
franklig@gas.uug.arizona.edu
|
9941 | From: tligman@bgsu.edu (Simurgh)
Subject: Nintendo games forsale (and a dead nintendo)
Organization: Bowling Green State Univ.
Lines: 27
Forsale:
Nintendo control Deck with two controllers and gun, one controller has
grips attached.
the NES will only connect to a composite monitor or TV with audio and
video RCA Input jacks and needs some repairs.
25$ or best offer
games for sale
15$ Tecmo Baseball
15$ Techmo Bowl
15$ Double Dribble
15$ Wayne Gretzky Hockey
15$ Golf
10$ Super Mario/Duck Hunt
10$ Toobin'
10$ Spelunker
25$ Tecmo Super Bowl
============
130$ total, I'll give all of them to you for 100$ or best offer and throw
in the control deck...
I'll also accept the best offer for each of the games
the oldest of these is two years old, most of them are less than a year old.
--
-Tom
<<<>>>Warning, signature under construction, ENTER at your own RISC<<<>>>
|
9942 | From: ak954@yfn.ysu.edu (Albion H. Bowers)
Subject: Re: Too fast
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
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Reply-To: ak954@yfn.ysu.edu (Albion H. Bowers)
NNTP-Posting-Host: yfn.ysu.edu
In a previous article, tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen) says:
>In article <1qh61m$b6l@armory.centerline.com> jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes:
>>Compare either to the Porsche 911 and you tell me which was designed
>>to go fast.
>you have a point about the brakes, especially seeing as how the
>mustang doesn't even have disc brakes in the back.
>but there are significant differences between the latest 911s and
>the late 80's 911s, not the least of which is handling. i'm not
^^
I think you mean late '60s. The biggest change that Porsche undertook to
alter the tailhappieness of their baby was way back in August 1968 (for the
'69 model year) when they stretched the wheelbase. Besides, some people
actually _KNOW_ how to take advantage of oversteer, and enjoy it.
>in europe. the 911 got low marks for high speed handling (though to
>be fair, they might have been comparing it to the vette's handling).
^^^^^
>what was that phil hill (famous race car driver) said about the
^^^^ ^^^^
You should have seen what Phil Hill (_*WORLD CHAMPION*_) had to say about
the Vette's he's driven.
>911 turbo? you can't make a thoroughbred out of a pig, but you can
>have an awful fast pig.
^^^^^ ^^^^ ^^^
Yeah, that was what he said. :-)
Paul Frere agreed. They both prefered the Porsche (modified by Ruf) to
either of the Vette's at that test.
--
Al Bowers DOD #900 Alfa Ducati Hobie Kottke 'blad Iaido NASA
"Well goodness sakes...don't you know that girls can't play guitar?"
-Mary Chapin-Carpenter
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9943 | From: artmel@well.sf.ca.us (Arthur Melnick)
Subject: Some questions regarding Big Brother (Clipper)
Summary: Some thoughts and questions regarding clipper
Keywords: clipper
Nntp-Posting-Host: well.sf.ca.us
Organization: The Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link, Sausalito, CA
Lines: 23
In previous postings by Hellman, Bellovin, etal it was
reported the Big Brother (Clipper) chip will encrypt plaintext in
64 bit blocks as is done with DES. The users key K which can be
derived from RSA, Diffy-Hellman, etc. is used to encrypt
plaintext M and is then used to form a "three part message".
This three part message consists of E[M; K], K encrypted
with some other key, and the chip serial number. This three part
message is then encrypted by still another key.
My question is: What is a message?
For example, say we are dealing with an encrypted digitized
voice application. The speech waveform is sampled and digitized
and then some number of samples are grouped into a 64 bit block.
This block is then encrypted and transmitted over a non-secure
communications link.
Where is the three part message? Is something appended to
each 64 bit block? Is a header sent at the beginning of the
session?
If the header is sent at the beginning of the session, how
do they insure the equipment manufacturer using the chip does
just that? Can just anyone manufacture products using the chip?
Is a facility clearance required to manufacture?
Any ideas?
|
9944 | From: brian@gab.unt.edu (Brian "Drakula" Stone)
Subject: Re: New Study Out On Gay Percentage
Lines: 39
Organization: College of Arts and Sciences
>The article also contains numbers on the number of sexual partners.
>The median number of sexual partners for all men 20-39 was 7.3.
>Compared to the table I have already posted from Masters, Johnson,
>and Kolodny showing male homosexual partners, it is apparent that
>homosexual men are dramatically more promiscuous than the general
>male population. It's a shame that we don't have a breakdown for
>straight men vs. gay/bi men -- that would show even more dramatically
>how much more promiscuous gay/bi men are.
>--
Isn't is funny how someone who seems to know nothing about homosexuality
uses a very flawed (IMHO) source of information to pass jusgement on all
homosexual and bisexual men. It would seem more logical to say that since
the heterosexual group of men is larger then the chances of promiscuity
larger as well. In my opinion, orientation has nothing to do with it.
Men are men and they all like sex. I am a gay male. I have had sex three
times in my life, all with the same man. Before that, I was a virgin.
So... whose promiscuous?
Just because someone is gay doesn't mean they have no morals. Just because
someone is heterosexual doesn't mean they do. Look at the world....
Statistics alone prove that most criminals are by default hetero...
Look closely at the person, not the group.
All flames will be ignored. :)
Later,
_______________________ ______________________________________
( )( )
( Brian Stone )( )
( UNT-CAS Tech. Support )( Life without your touch is hard, )
( )( but life without you in unthinkable. )
( brian@gab.unt.edu )( )
(_______________________)(______________________________________)
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9945 | From: jbulf@balsa.Berkeley.EDU (Jeff Bulf)
Subject: Re: Fractal compression
Keywords: fractal
Reply-To: jbulf@balsa.Berkeley.EDU (Jeff Bulf)
Organization: Kubota Pacific Computers Inc.
Lines: 12
In article <inu530n.735550992@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au>, inu530n@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (I Rachmat) writes:
|> Hi... can anybody give me book or reference title to give me a start at
|> fractal image compression technique. Helps will be appreciated... thanx
For better worse, the source on this on is Michael Barnsley. His article
in The Science of Fractal Images (Peitgen et al) is a fair-to-middling
intro. Barnsley's book Fractals Everywhere is a more thorough treatment.
The book covers Iterated Function Systems in general, and their application
to image compression is clear from the text.
---
dr memory
jbulf@kpc.com
|
9946 | From: yoony@aix.rpi.edu (Young-Hoon Yoon)
Subject: Re: Boston Gun Buy Back
Nntp-Posting-Host: aix.rpi.edu
Lines: 27
mpetro@brtph126.bnr.ca (Myron Petro P030) writes:
>>Ron Miller wrote:
>>When you ask the question of the "authorities" or sponsors of buyback
>>programs whether they will check for stolen weapons and they answer
>>"no, it's total amnesty".
> (good point about registration schemes being used only for harassment deleted)
> I would also like to point out that this is receiving stolen property and is
>no different than a pawn shop owner doing the same thing.
>
>
> Myron Petro
> NRA, USPSA
> DVC y'all
> **************************************************************************
> The opinions included in this post are my sole responsibility.
> And are protected by the First Amendment and guarnteed by the
> Second Amendment.
An interesting idea consider:
At any locality where a buy-back program is being instituted, get a list
of guns they received and compare serial numbers with a list of stolen guns
and sue the people responsible for the program if those guns were destroyed.
Criminal charges can also be made.( Receiving stolen property, destruction of
private property etc.)
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9947 | From: arana@labein.ES (Jose Luis Arana)
Subject: X Graphics Accelerators
Organization: The Internet
Lines: 7
NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu
To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu
How can I obtain public information (documentation and sources)
about Xservers implemented with graphics processors?
I am specially interested in Xservers developed for the TMS34020
Texas Instruments graphic processor.
Please send answer to arana@labein.es
|
9948 | From: storm@cs.mcgill.ca (Marc WANDSCHNEIDER)
Subject: Re: Know anything about EISA-2?
Nntp-Posting-Host: mnementh.cs.mcgill.ca
Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada
Lines: 22
In article <1qt5nk$8o6@agate.berkeley.edu> bing@zinc.cchem.berkeley.edu (Bing Ho) writes:
>I read about the development of EISA-2 some time ago but dismissed it
>in light of the intense interest in VESA and PCI. However, I recently
>was disheartened to hear that ISA cannot address more than 16mb of RAM,
>a limit that too many of us will hit all too soon.
>
>I recall that EISA-2 will support 64-bit transfer among other enhancements.
>Is there such a standard being developed?
Very possibly, but if it's still going to be backwards compatible
with the ISA bus, it's going to be the same tripe that the current EISA
implementation really is.
From what I've seen, the PCI bus will just be a new 32bit 33MHz
intelligent bus (ie, bus controller takes care of interrupts and the like,
not jumpers...) Hopefully it'll get somewhere up there with the AMIGA
Zorro III bus....
VL Bus is a bit too much of a hack for my liking...
Toodlepip!
Marc 'em.
|
9949 | From: drickel@bounce.mentorg.com (Dave Rickel)
Subject: Re: Quaint US Archaisms
Article-I.D.: news.1993Apr06.090626.21880
Organization: Mentor Graphics
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Originator: drickel@bounce
Nntp-Posting-Host: bounce.mentorg.com
In article <C512wC.B0M.1@cs.cmu.edu>, nickh@CS.CMU.EDU (Nick Haines) writes:
|> Oh, and the other advantage is that you don't have shit constants like
|> 32.??? hanging around.
No, instead you have stupid things like 3600 and 86400 and 31556925.9747 and
299792.458 and 9.80665 and ...
How many cc's in a ml anyway? The metric system has its problems, just not
as many of them.
david rickel
drickel@sjc.mentorg.com
|
9950 | From: dwex@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (david.e.wexelblat)
Subject: Re: Dell 2.2 EISA Video Cards
Organization: AT&T
Lines: 25
[This belongs in comp.windows.x.i386unix - I've redirected followups]
In article <C5ssHu.CBI@gator.rn.com> larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes:
> Does XFree86 support any EISA video cards under Dell 2.2?
> --
> Larry Snyder
> larry@gator.rn.com
I know for a fact that the EISA version of the Orchid ProDesigner IIS
works. However, an EISA SVGA card is likely a waste of money.
When XFree86 2.0 comes out, with support for accelerated chipsets, ISA,
EISA, and VLB will all be supported.
The more important question is "what chipsets are supported?". The bus
is basically irrelevent as a compatibility issue.
--
David Wexelblat <dwex@mtgzfs3.att.com> (908) 957-5871 Fax: (908) 957-5627
AT&T Bell Laboratories, 200 Laurel Ave - 3F-428, Middletown, NJ 07748
XFree86 requests should be addressed to <xfree86@physics.su.oz.au>
"Love is like oxygen. You get too much, you get too high. Not enough and
you're gonna die." -- Sweet, Love Is Like Oxygen
|
9951 | From: peterbak@microsoft.com (Peter Bako)
Subject: JPEG file format?
Organization: Microsoft Corp.
Lines: 11
Where could I find a description of the JPG file format? Specifically
I need to know where in a JPG file I can find the height and width of
the image, and perhaps even the number of colors being used.
Any suggestions?
Peter
--
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( UUCP: peterbak@microsoft || Is this all that I am? Is there )
( CompuServe: 71170,1426 || nothing more? - V'ger )
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|
9952 | From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)
Subject: Re: Jack Morris
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Lines: 33
In article <1qt6ooINN7gd@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok) writes:
>
>the only really valid retort to Valentine is: weren't the Red Sox trying
>to get Morris too? oh, sure, they *said* Viola was their first choice
>afterwards, but what should we have expected they would say?
Lou wanted Morris all along. The idiot. Giving the man $40 million
to play with is like giving a five year old a loaded Uzi with the
safety off. The only question is how many shots he will get off
before somebody is wise enough to take it away.
>} And don't tell me Boston will win this year. They won't
>} even be in the top 4 in the division, more like 6th.
>
>if this is true, it won't be for lack of contribution by Viola, so who cares?
I don't see why people expect Boston to finish sixth. The bottom four
teams last year were essentially tied. Boston, in seventh place, had
73 wins. The Yankees and Indians, tied for fourth place, had 76 wins.
Now I should think it is obvious that the Red Sox improved more than
the Indians or Tigers. Basically, the Red Sox are stronger this year
at 1B, DH, SS, LF, and RF. They have healthier starting pitchers (so
far, at least) and better relievers. I see no reason why they
shouldn't win ~85 games. Meanwhile, the Indians are in shambles and
the Tigers *still* have no pitching. They will win some 20-3
blowouts, but they will lose an awful lot of 7-5 games too.
*MAYBE* the Sox will play poorly, win 78 games, and finish fifth.
But I think third or fourth place is more likely.
Cheers,
-Valentine
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9953 | From: brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton)
Subject: Re: How to detect use of an illegal cipher?
Organization: ClariNet Communications Corp.
Lines: 30
In article <1qnmnp$db8@sol.TIS.COM> mjr@tis.com (Marcus J Ranum) writes:
>traffic. That way your traffic looks "normal" and perhaps anyone
>desiring to listen in won't even bother, since they know nobody's
>going to really trust crypto that has classified internals for
>important stuff.
Nice to think, but naive. The fact is that millions of people today
are sending highly confidential information over unencoded, easy to
receive cellular phones. They figure the chances of being heard are
small, so they risk it.
And 99.9% of people don't understand crypto the way the least of the
sci.crypt newbies does. If Clinton tells them it's good crypto,
they'll believe him, and send important stuff over it, and be thankful
that they're no longer using clear-voice FM cellular phones.
Only a tiny fraction of people will want more crypto. Worse, in the
eyes of the government, which swears up and down the algorithim is
spook-level secure (and it may indeed be) the only reason you could
possibly want this extra level is to avoid police.
By using it, you'll attract attention as a likely lawbreaker.
"Your honour, the suspect suddenly started using another level of
cryptography and we can't tap his phone calls any more. He must
have something to hide. Please sign the warrant to search his
house..."
--
Brad Templeton, ClariNet Communications Corp. -- Sunnyvale, CA 408/296-0366
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9954 | From: "Patricia L. Bruno" <pb37+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Hockey Hell
Organization: Freshman, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Lines: 42
<C4s4JK.F72@andy.bgsu.edu>
NNTP-Posting-Host: andrew.cmu.edu
In-Reply-To: <C4s4JK.F72@andy.bgsu.edu>
>
>In article <C4nq5G.EKB@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>,
>rgemeinh@separator.ecn.purdue.edu (Richard A Gemeinhart) wrote:
>>
>> In article <1993Mar26.155933.9669@ncsu.edu> fmsalvat@eos.ncsu.edu
(FRANK MICH
>AE SALVATORE) writes:
>> >
>> >
>> >I am originally from New York State, and I go to school
>> >in North Carolina. Yet, I don't constantly gripe about
>> >the lack of hockey. Wouldn't some of you who chose to go
>> >to school in the South realize (most who gripe are Clemson students)
>> >that hockey isn't quite as popular in South Carolina
>> >when you chose a school?
>> >
>> >Why did you all (excuse me - y'all) choose schools in
>> >the South if hockey was this important to you?
>>
>> Not everyone has the luxury of deciding on a college by making sure the
>> hockey coveraage is what you want it to be. I am a Pittsburgh transplan
>> to S. C. when at home and the coveraage sucks. Sports south didn't
even show
>> the final game of the Stanley Cup laast year while it was happening. They
>> put it on ktape delay and cut the intermissions then went off the air.
>> When you move you take the good with the bad and deal with it; it doesn't
>> mean thaat you can't complain about it.
>
>I was transplanted by my parents from the Greater Hartford area to the
>Greater Cleveland, Ohio area. This was not an action of my choice. The
>only hockey coverage I could get there regularly was Red Wings and Penguins
>(explaining, in part, why I follow these teams today). In Cleveland you
>couldn't even find hockey scores on the 11 o'clock news because they
>figured that if they didn't have it, it wasn't a sport.
>
At least your parents didn't move you Idaho. The only things that get
any coverage there are football, basketball and baseball!
Patty
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9955 | From: lance@wolves.Durham.NC.US (Lance A. Brown)
Subject: Re: Religion and homosexuality
Distribution: usa
Organization: Wolves Den UNIX
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X-Md4-Signature: c6a7a6853f7ccbdf5ccfea6cc9d0a079
In article <C4uzus.FKp@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> dlecoint@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Darius_Lecointe) writes:
>lfoard@hopper.Virginia.EDU (Lawrence C. Foard) writes:
>> Unlike kleptomaniacs and adulterers homosexuals hurt no one by having sex
>> with the same sex.
>
>What about the homosexual whose family does not accept that decision and
>is hurt (emotionally) by it?
Good question. I don't have a nice concise answer, though. What about the
child whose parents are crushed emotionally because he/she starts a carerr
doing something they greatly dislike. It is the same kind of harm, and
is probably "caused" by the same thing: The desire of the child to be
true to his or her self.
What is more important, being true to yourself or burying that truth within
you in order to maintain peace in the family?
hard question, no good answer.
Lance
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9956 | From: Peter Hansen <pgmoffc@BNR.ca>
Subject: Re: 72-pin SIMMS, where?
X-Xxdate: Tue, 20 Apr 93 08:41:49 GMT
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Organization: BNR
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In article <1qulhsINNm22@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu> Steven Medley,
smedley@ecst.csuchico.edu writes:
>I am looking for a 8 meg 72-pin SIMM for my Centris 610. Where is the
>best place to purchase one (stock, shipping, warrenty), and if
>possible, phone numbers so that I can order one as soon as possible.
Try Goldstar. They make them, and they are available immediately in Mac
configurations. I ordered a pair from Computerland (8 meg variety) and
they work like a charm. I've had them for two weeks.
Peter Hansen
Bell Northern Research
pgmoffc@BNR.ca
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9957 | From: kens@lsid.hp.com (Ken Snyder)
Subject: Re: Should I buy a VRF 750?
Article-I.D.: hpscit.1qkcrt$2q9
Organization: Hewlett Packard Santa Clara Site
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Mark N Bricker (mnb4738@cs.rit.edu) wrote:
: I am in the market for a bike and have recently found a 1990
: Honda VRF 750 at a dealership. The bike has about 47,000 miles
: and is around $4500. It has had two previous owners, both employees
: of the dealership who, I have been told, took very good care of the
: bike.
: I have two questions: 1) Is this too many miles for a bike? I know this
: would not be many miles for a car but I am unfamiliar with the life
: span of bikes. 2) Is this a decent price? I am also unfamilar with
: prices for used bikes. Is there a blue book for bikes like there is
: for cars?.
: Thanks for any advice you can give.
: --Mark
--
Mark,
47k is not too many miles on a VFR750. I sold my (well maintained)
'87 VFR700 with 52k miles on it and the engine was in mint condition.
All that the bike needed was steering head bearings and fork bushings
and seals. The guy who bought it had a mechanic pull the valve covers
to look at the top end, do a compression check etc. He confirmed it was
mint.
As for price, $4500 seems a little steep. I bought my '90 with 12k
miles on it a year ago (and in absolutely cherry condition) for $4800.
There is a bluebook, ask your bank or credit union for the going price.
I've seen a couple of ads for VFR's in the $4500 dollar range. They all
said low miles & mint condition but I didn't actually go look at them.
A VFR is a very sweet bike and will last you forever if you maintain
it at all. One thing to look for, BTW, is a soft front end. If my
VFR is any indication, at 12k miles the fork springs were totally shot.
Progressive springs ($55) fixed it right up.
Good luck,
_______________________ K _ E _ N ____________________________
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| 8600 Soper Hill Road gte/tn: (206) 335-2253 / 335-2253 |
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|______________________________________________________________|
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9958 | From: perry@dsinc.com (Jim Perry)
Subject: Re: The Inimitable Rushdie
Organization: Decision Support Inc.
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(References: deleted to move this to a new thread)
In article <114133@bu.edu> jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:
>In article <1phkf7INN86p@dsi.dsinc.com> perry@dsinc.com (Jim Perry) writes:
>>}Rushdie is, however, as I understand, a muslim.
>>}The fact that he's a British citizen does not preclude his being muslim.
>
>>Rushdie was an atheist (to use local terminology, not to put words in
>>his mouth) at the time of writing TSV and at the time of the fatwa in
>>February 1989.[...]
>
>Well, if he was born muslim (I am fairly certain he was) then he _is_
>muslim until he explicitly renounces Islam. So far as I know he has never
>explicitly renounced Islam, though he may have been in extreme doubt
>about the existence of God. Being muslim is a legal as well as
>intellectual issue, according to Islam.
"To put it as simply as possible: *I am not a Muslim*.[...] I do not
accept the charge of apostacy, because I have never in my adult life
affirmed any belief, and what one has not affirmed one can not be
said to have apostasized from. The Islam I know states clearly that
'there can be no coercion in matters of religion'. The many Muslims
I respect would be horrified by the idea that they belong to their
faith *purely by virtue of birth*, and that a person who freely chose
not to be a Muslim could therefore be put to death."
Salman Rushdie, "In Good Faith", 1990
"God, Satan, Paradise, and Hell all vanished one day in my fifteenth
year, when I quite abruptly lost my faith. [...]and afterwards, to
prove my new-found atheism, I bought myself a rather tasteless ham
sandwich, and so partook for the first time of the forbidden flesh of
the swine. No thunderbolt arrived to strike me down. [...] From that
day to this I have thought of myself as a wholly seculat person."
Salman Rushdie, "In God We Trust", 1985
>>[I] think the Rushdie affair has discredited Islam more in my eyes than
>>Khomeini -- I know there are fanatics and fringe elements in all
>>religions, but even apparently "moderate" Muslims have participated or
>>refused to distance themselves from the witch-hunt against Rushdie.
>
>Yes, I think this is true, but there Khomenei's motivations are quite
>irrelevant to the issue. The fact of the matter is that Rushdie made
>false statements (fiction, I know, but where is the line between fact
>and fiction?) about the life of Mohammad.
Only a functional illiterate with absolutely no conception of the
nature of the novel could think such a thing. I'll accept it
(reluctantly) from mobs in Pakistan, but not from you. What is
presented in the fictional dream of a demented character cannot by the
wildest stretch of the imagination be considered a reflection on the
actual Mohammad. What's worse, the novel doesn't present the
Mahound/Mohammed character in any worse light than secular histories
of Islam; in particular, there is no "lewd" misrepresentation of his
life or that of his wives.
>That is why
>few people rush to his defense -- he's considered an absolute fool for
>his writings in _The Satanic Verses_.
Don't hold back; he's considered an apostate and a blasphemer.
However, it's not for his writing in _The Satanic Verses_, but for
what people have accepted as a propagandistic version of what is
contained in that book. I have yet to find *one single muslim* who
has convinced me that they have read the book. Some have initially
claimed to have done so, but none has shown more knowledge of the book
than a superficial Newsweek story might impart, and all have made
factual misstatements about events in the book.
>If you wish to understand the
>reasons behind this as well has the origin of the concept of "the
>satanic verses" [...] see the
>Penguin paperback by Rafiq Zakariyah called _Mohammad and the Quran_.
I'll keep an eye out for it. I have a counter-proposal: I suggest
that you see the Viking hardcover by Salman Rushdie called _The
Satanic Verses_. Perhaps then you'll understand.
--
Jim Perry perry@dsinc.com Decision Support, Inc., Matthews NC
These are my opinions. For a nominal fee, they can be yours.
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9959 | From: turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin)
Subject: Re: Science and methodology (was: Homeopathy ... tradition?)
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
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-*-----
In article <1993Apr15.150550.15347@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> ccreegan@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Charles L. Creegan) writes:
> What about Kekule's infamous derivation of the idea of benzene rings
> from a daydream of snakes in the fire biting their tails? Is this
> specific enough to count? Certainly it turns up repeatedly in basic
> phil. of sci. texts as an example of the inventive component of
> hypothesizing.
I think the question is: What is extra-scientific about this?
It has been a long time since anyone has proposed restrictions on
where one comes up with ideas in order for them to be considered
legitimate hypotheses. The point, in short, is this: hypotheses and
speculation in science may come from wild flights of fancy,
daydreams, ancient traditions, modern quackery, or anywhere else.
Russell
|
9960 | From: tovecchi@nyx.cs.du.edu (tony vecchi)
Subject: two questions
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Lines: 14
Two questions:
1: I'm trying to figure out how to access cmos advanced chip setting on a
EISA motherboard (AIR) that has AMI bios..specifically I would like to set
the atclk or wait states or bus speed on this board, I can't seem to be
able to do it..any help in this area would be greatly appreciated.
2: I am looking for a phone number for WANGTEK tape drives, specifically I
am looking for jumper settings on a 5099EN24 drive..
Thanks in advance.
Tony
|
9961 | From: gt0523e@prism.gatech.EDU (Michael Andre Mule)
Subject: Re: harry and candy
Distribution: world,local
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology
Lines: 19
>But I like the way he butchers Andres Galarraga's name.
Y'all lighten up on Harry, Skip'll be like that in a couple of years!!>
>It comes out like "gahlah rrrraggggah".
>And don't forget his frequent references to the great SF Giant star
>Bobby Bonds!
Harry's a great personality. He's the reason I like Cubs broadcasts.
(It's certainly not the quality of the team).
Chop Chop
Michael Mule'
--
Michael Andre Mule
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt0523e
Internet: gt0523e@prism.gatech.edu
|
9962 | From: alan@apple.com (Alan Mimms)
Subject: Re: UART needed (really BREAK detect)
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
Lines: 26
In article <jam.19.735404158@ameslab.gov>, jam@ameslab.gov (Jerry
Musselman) wrote:
>
> I need to find a UART that will interface to an 8051 and do the following:
> -250k baud, 8 data bits, 2 stop bits, no parity
> -ability to do BREAK detect (IRQ or output pin)
> -IRQ on character received
>
> I'm using a Dallas DS2250 at 16 Mhz (8051 clone), but it won't do
> break detect. I've looked at the 6850, 8251, 7201, 2661, etc...
>
> Any help would be appriciated!!!
Actually detecting a BREAK is done by watching for a "character" containing
all zero bits with the framing error resulting from its receipt. This
means that the line stayed in the zero bit state even past the stop bit
time slot, which basically indicates a BREAK. There is no special way to
detect BREAK that I have found other than this -- there's no magic signal
generated by UARTs, etc.
Alan Mimms (alan@apple.com, ...!apple!alan) | My opinions are generally
Portable Macintosh Software Group | pretty worthless, but
Apple Computer | they *are* my own...
Art without engineering is dreaming. Engineering without art is
calculating.
-- Steven K. Roberts in "Computing Across America"
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9963 | From: atchison@cis.ohio-state.edu (mark edward atchison)
Subject: Re: Cleveland tragedy
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
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In article <1993Apr5.121202.100648@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> gaf5@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Gail A. Fullman) writes:
> I wonder if Ojeda will sue anyone - because his career may be over.
Not due to the accident -- he just got a (really) bad haircut. Now, if you
meant due to his floating fastball, well...
--
_______________________________________________________________________________
Mark Atchison, a.k.a. <atchison@cis.ohio-state.edu>; Graduate Student in the
Computer Science Dept, THE Ohio State University (NOT an Ohio State University)
Any plagiarisms seen above are not my own...
|
9964 | From: C.O.EGALON@LARC.NASA.GOV (CLAUDIO OLIVEIRA EGALON)
Subject: Re: japanese moon landing?
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center
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Distribution: world
Reply-To: C.O.EGALON@LARC.NASA.GOV (CLAUDIO OLIVEIRA EGALON)
NNTP-Posting-Host: tahiti.larc.nasa.gov
> there is no such thing as a stable lunar orbit
Is it right??? That is new stuff for me. So it means that you just can
not put a sattellite around around the Moon for too long because its
orbit will be unstable??? If so, what is the reason??? Is that because
the combined gravitacional atraction of the Sun,Moon and Earth
that does not provide a stable orbit around the Moon???
C.O.EGALON@LARC.NASA.GOV
C.O.Egalon@larc.nasa.gov
Claudio Oliveira Egalon
|
9965 | From: rjungcla@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (R. M. Jungclas)
Subject: Re: Big amateur rockets
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs - Naperville, IL.
Distribution: usa
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In article <C5Ky9y.MKK@raistlin.udev.cdc.com> pbd@runyon.cim.cdc.com (Paul Dokas) writes:
>I was reading Popular Science this morning and was surprised by an ad in
>the back. I know that a lot of the ads in the back of PS are fringe
>science or questionablely legal, but this one really grabbed my attention.
>It was from a company name "Personal Missle, Inc." or something like that.
>
>Anyhow, the ad stated that they'd sell rockets that were up to 20' in length
>and engines of sizes "F" to "M". They also said that some rockets will
>reach 50,000 feet.
>
>Now, aside from the obvious dangers to any amateur rocketeer using one
>of these beasts, isn't this illegal? I can't imagine the FAA allowing
>people to shoot rockets up through the flight levels of passenger planes.
>Not to even mention the problem of locating a rocket when it comes down.
>
>And no, I'm not going to even think of buying one. I'm not that crazy.
>
>
>-Paul "mine'll do 50,000 feet and carries 50 pounds of dynamite" Dokas
Could it be Public Missile, Inc in Michigan?
From the description of ad here, it sounds like they're talking about
"High Power Rocketry", an outgrowth of model rocketry. This hobby
uses non-metallic structural compoments and commerically manufactured
engines ranging in impulse classification from G to P. The hobby
has been flourishing from early 1980s and is becoming increasing popular.
Technically this is not consider amateur rocketry.
Any rocket with a liftoff weight greater than 3.3 pounds OR using a
total impulse of G or greater, REQUIRES an FAA waiver to launch.
Typically, a group of people get an FAA waiver for specified period
of time (ie week, weekend, etc.) at a designated site and time, and
all of the launches are then covered under this "blanket waiver".
There is also a "High Power Safety Code" which designates more
specific rules such as launch field size, etc.
Finally, in order to purchase any of the larger (Class B) rocket
motors you need to certified through either the National Association
of Rocketry or Tripoli Rocketry Association. Certification procedures
require a demonstarted handling and "safe" flight at a total impulse
level.
For more information, watch rec.models.rockets newsgroup.
R. Michael Jungclas UUCP: att!ihlpb!rjungcla
AT&T Bell Labs - Naperville, IL. Internet: rjungcla@ihlpb.att.com
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9966 | From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer)
Subject: Re: Lincoln & slavery (Re: Top Ten Tricks You Can Play on the American Voter)
Article-I.D.: optilink.15236
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA
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In article <1993Apr2.055109.5833@rigel.econ.uga.edu>, depken@rigel.econ.uga.edu (Craig Depken) writes:
> In article <1993Mar31.224355.21442@isc-br.isc-br.com> steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes:
# #The argument that "slavery was a dying institution" was often made by
# ^^^
# (IS)
#
# #historians, mainly Southerners, who sought to divert attention from the
# #institution as the central issue of the Civil War. In fact, however,
# #the argument is specious, at best. More recent scholarship from the
# #last 20-30 years demonstrates rather conclusively that the cotton/sugar/
# #tobacco economy and its reliance on slavery was increasingly dominant in
# #the South prior to the Civil War.
#
# This is because the South did not receive the massive momentum of capital
# intensive growth that the Northern states did. Compare the Northern
# agricultural system with the Southern and you will see a major difference
# in the capital to labor intensity.
Capital and labor are one and the same in a slave economy. Except that
capital doesn't reproduce quite as readily as slaves did.
Slavery was a dying institution before the cotton gin, yes, but not
in 1850.
# #It is true that cotton suffered from price depression in the 1840's -
# #the period used to claim that slavery would not have lasted in the
# #South.
#
# That is not the argument that I have heard. It would not have lasted because
# the growth in the North would not have been sustained for much longer without
# spilling over to the Southern states, i.e. Northern industry would have
# migrated capital to the Southern states, and with that would have come
# immigrant labor to the ports of the South, e.g. Charleston, Savannah, Mobile,
# New Orleans, etc. This would have put the breaks on the slave market and
# slavery would have been out-moded by the capital intensity of competing
# agriculturalists. Those that insisted on keeping slaves because of their
# "Cruel Hearts and Hatred for Black People" would have been driven out of
# business. Simple capital to labor ratio...read Michael Parkin _Microeconomics_
# 2nd edition, and any other basic economics book.
This assumes that the slave holder dominance over state governments
would not have caused the passage of laws to keep out capital from the
North. Since slave holders were prepared to do almost anything else
to destroy free markets in order to maintain slavery, I do not doubt
that they would have passed laws to cripple any serious competitive
threat. Thomas Sowell's _Market and Minorities_ argues that the
maintenance of slavery, and the costs it imposed on state and local
governments, discouraged not only capital formation, but also outside
capital investment in the Southern states.
# Craig A. Depken, II
--
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine!
Relations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all.
|
9967 | From: dewey@risc.sps.mot.com (Dewey Henize)
Subject: Re: Yet more Rushdie [Re: ISLAMIC LAW]
Organization: Motorola, Inc. -- Austin,TX
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In article <1993Apr15.212943.15118@bnr.ca> (Rashid) writes:
[deletions]
>
>The fatwa was levelled at the person of Rushdie - any actions of
>Rushdie that feed the situation contribute to the legitimization of
>the ruling. The book remains in circulation not by some independant
>will of its own but by the will of the author and the publishers. The fatwa
>against the person of Rushdie encompasses his actions as well. The
>crime was certainly a crime in progress (at many levels) and was being
>played out (and played up) in the the full view of the media.
>
>P.S. I'm not sure about this but I think the charge of "shatim" also
>applies to Rushdie and may be encompassed under the umbrella
>of the "fasad" ruling.
If this is grounded firmly in Islam, as you claim, then you have just
exposed Islam as the grounds for terrorism, plain and simple.
Whether you like it or not, whether Rushdie acted like a total jerk or
not, there is no acceptable civilized basis for putting someone in fear
of their life for words.
It simply does not matter whether his underlying motive was to find the
worst possible way he could to insult Muslims and their beliefs, got that?
You do not threaten the life of someone for words - when you do, you
quite simply admit the backruptcy of your position. If you support
threatening the life of someone for words, you are not yet civilized.
This is exactly where I, and many of the people I know, have to depart
from respecting the religions of others. When those beliefs allow and
encourage (by interpretation) the killing of non-physical opposition.
You, or I or anyone, are more than privledged to believe that someone,
whether it be Rushdie or Bush or Hussien or whover, is beyond the pale
of civilized society and you can condemn his/her soul, refuse to allow
any members of your association to interact with him/her, _peacably_
demonstrate to try to convince others to disassociate themselves from
the "miscreants", or whatever, short of physical force.
But once you physically threaten, or support physical threats, you get
much closer to your earlier comparison of rape - with YOU as the rapist
who whines "She asked for it, look how she was dressed".
Blaming the victim when you are unable to be civilized doesn't fly.
Dew
--
Dewey Henize Sys/Net admin RISC hardware (512) 891-8637 pager 928-7447 x 9637
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9968 | From: gt7122b@prism.gatech.edu (boundary, the catechist)
Subject: Re: Am I going to Hell?
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology
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In article <Apr.23.02.55.31.1993.3123@geneva.rutgers.edu> tbrent@ecn.purdue.edu (Timothy J Brent) writes:
>I have stated before that I do not consider myself an atheist, but
>definitely do not believe in the christian god. The recent discussion
>about atheists and hell, combined with a post to another group (to the
>effect of 'you will all go to hell') has me interested in the consensus
>as to how a god might judge men. As a catholic, I was told that a jew,
>buddhist, etc. might go to heaven, but obviously some people do not
>believe this. Even more see atheists and pagans (I assume I would be
>lumped into this category) to be hellbound. I know you believe only
>god can judge, and I do not ask you to, just for your opinions.
Dear Tim:
You say that you were a "catholic," but if you do not believe in the Christian
God (I suppose that means the God of the Bible) and publicly state this,
you are in all probability not a Roman Catholic. "Public heretics, even
those who err in good faith (material heretics), do not belong to the body
of the Church" (Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma, 1960, Ludwig Ott, p. 311).
All is not lost, however, as you still might belong spiritually to the
Church by your desire to belong to it. As you said, only God can judge
the condition of a man's soul. About judgment, on the other hand, St. Paul
1 Cor 5:12) urges Christians to judge their fellow Christians.
Following the Apostle's teaching, I judge that you should reconsider
returning to the Christian fold and embrace the God of Abraham, Isaac,
and Jacob. He is the God who lives.
Concerning what you were told about non-believers when you were a catholic,
that is true. As I have posted before, Vatican II (Lumen Gentium, II,
n. 16) teaches: "Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know
the Gospel of Christ or His Chruch, but who nevertheless seek God with a
sincere heart, and moved by grace, try in their actions to do His will
as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may
achieve eternal salvation."
Responding to your solicitation for opinions on the thinking processes
of God, the best I can do is refer you to Scripture. Scripture is one
of the best sources for learning what can be known about God.
Stick with the best.
--
boundary, the catechist
no teneis que pensar que yo haya venido a traer la paz a la tierra; no he
venido a traer la paz, sino la guerra (Mateo 10:34, tr. esp. Vulgata Latina)
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9969 | From: steph@pegasus.cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson)
Subject: Re: Rockies (not Rookies)
Article-I.D.: pegasus.steph.733996812
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
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In <C500u7.Kr8@news.cso.uiuc.edu> dbl50872@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Daniel Brian Lake) writes:
>You'd think that an expansion team would be filled with young'ns, not guys
>like Murphy, Galaragga, B Smith...
It depends. If you can get your old veterans cheap, and if they can perform
at a higher level than your young talent can *now*, why not the talent
develop in the minors while giving the fans some familiar names to cheer.
If the veterans are gone in a year or two -- that should be just about right.
>Maybe someone should tell those renegade front office people in Denver. :)
Open question -- which was more important to the expansion clubs, the expansion
draft or the regular draft. (They've had one of each, I think.)
--
Dale J. Stephenson |*| (steph@cs.uiuc.edu) |*| Baseball fanatic
"It is considered good to look wise, especially when not
overburdened with information" -- J. Golden Kimball
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9970 | From: bmdelane@quads.uchicago.edu (brian manning delaney)
Subject: Re: Epstein-Barr Syndrome questions
Keywords: EBV CFS CFIDS
Reply-To: bmdelane@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Lines: 47
In article <1993Apr23.034226.2284@reed.edu> jcherney@reed.edu writes:
>Okay, this is a long shot.
>
>My friend Robin has recurring bouts of mononucleosis-type symptoms, very
>regularly. This has been going on for a number of years. She's seen a
>number of doctors; six was the last count, I think. Most of them have
>said either "You have mono" or "You're full of it; there's nothing wrong
>with you." One has admitted to having no idea what was wrong with her,
>and one has claimed that it is Epstein-Barr syndrome.
>
>Now, what she told me about EBS is that very few doctors even believe that
>it exists. (Obviously, this has been her experience.) So, what's the
>story? Is it real? Does the medical profession believe it to be real?
>
>Has anyone had success is treating EBS? Or is it just something to live
>with? Thanks for your assistance.
Outbreaks of a chronic-mono-like entity were originally called EBS (or
some variant thereof) because most of the people with this disease had
elevated levels of antibodies to the EBV virus. But not all of them
did, which prompted an official renaming of the disease to Chronic
Fatigue Syndrome (this renaming took place in the Annals of Internal
Medicine, Jan. 1988, I believe). Now it's also called Chronic Fatigue
and Immune Dysfunction Syndrome (CFIDS), since it seems clear that
some sort of immune disregulation is causing the probs.
Astonishly, there are still docs who tell people with massively
swollen glands, recurrent fevers and nightsweats, etc., that there's
nothing wrong with them. This is not the same thing as saying that the
syndrome may have a (at least partly) psychological cause. The
disagreement among people whose thoughts are worth considering centers
on just what the cause is. No one knows, but theories include:
psychological stress, some sort of virus (a retrovirus, say most --
maybe one of the newly discovered herpes viruses), environmental
toxins, bacteria (and, yes, candida), genes, (and/)or some combo of
these.
There's no outright cure at the moment, but different docs try
different things, some of which seem to help.
Massive amounts of info on the condition are available these days.
Post your Q to alt.med.cfs, and you will be flooded w/facts.
Note: There are lots of far better understood (and better treatable)
diseases that look like CFIDS. Make sure these get ruled-out by a good
doc.
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9971 | From: dos@major.panix.com (Dave O'Shea)
Subject: Re: If Drugs Should Be Legalized, How? (was Good Neighbor...)
Organization: Department of Redundancy Department
Lines: 22
wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (William December Starr) writes:
> > However, legalizing it and just sticking some drugs in gas stations to
> > be bought like cigarettes is just plain silly. Plus, I have never
> > heard of a recommended dosage for drugs like crack, ecstasy, chrystal
> > meth and LSD. The 60 Minute Report said it worked with "cocaine"
> > cigarettes, pot and heroin.
>
> Or, the government could adopt the radical and probably unAmerican idea
> that citizens are free to live their lives as they wish, and simply
> decriminalize cocaine, marijuana, heroin, LSD, etc. Please explain why
> the idea of allowing recreational drugs to be "bought like cigarettes"
> is "just plain silly." After all, it works just fine for nicotine...
I'm all in favor of drug legalization, but I do see some problems with
it. My hope is that people disposed to doing so would simply overdose
quickly, and be done with it, before making a mess of thisgs.
--
Let me get this straight: Medical treatment costs too much and is
inefficient, so we're going to let government make it better?
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9972 | From: rash@access.digex.com (Wayne Rash)
Subject: Re: 17" Monitors
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Lines: 21
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net
mikey@eukanuba.wpd.sgi.com (Mike Yang) writes:
>In article <1qulqa$hp2@access.digex.net>, rash@access.digex.com (Wayne Rash) writes:
>|> The F550iW is optimized for Windows. It powers down when the screen
>|> blanker appears, it powers down with you turn your computer off, and it
>|> meets all of the Swedish standards. It's also protected against EMI from
>|> adjacent monitors.
>Thanks for the info.
>|> Personally, I think the F550i is more bang for the buck right now.
>How much more does the F550iW cost?
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Mike Yang Silicon Graphics, Inc.
> mikey@sgi.com 415/390-1786
I think the difference is about 400 dollars, but I could be wrong. These
things change between press time and publication.
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9973 | From: gt0523e@prism.gatech.EDU (Michael Andre Mule)
Subject: Braves offensive offense
Distribution: usa
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology
Lines: 16
Deion Sanders hit a home run in his only AB today. Nixon was 1 for 4. Infield
single. Deion's batting over .400 Nixon: around .200. Whom would YOU start?
Wise up, Bobby.
See y'all at the ballyard
Go Braves
Chop Chop
Michael Mule'
--
Michael Andre Mule
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt0523e
Internet: gt0523e@prism.gatech.edu
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9974 | From: dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM (Dave Bernard)
Subject: Re: Who's next? Mormons and Jews?
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Lines: 32
Distribution: world
Reply-To: dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: clesun.central.sun.com
>>This is a stretch. In fact, a great many of the persecuted Indians were
>>Christian, a great many. It would be simpler to state the obvious, that
>>white people wanted land the Indians dominated or threatened. I really
>>don't think the government cared a hill of beans about the Indians' religion.
>My Native American Girlfriend asks: "If the government really doesn't
>'care a hill of beans' about our religion, how come they're still
>busting us for it in Oregon, Washington, and a few other places?
>You'd be a Christian, too, if the U.S. Army marched you into church
>at gunpoint."
Are you saying that the Indians who became Christians did so because the
US Army marched them into church at gunpoint?
This will be news to the Indians of the Great Lakes and upper Mississippi
basin-- of the Southwest-- of Mexico and South America-- who converted even
before there was such a thing as the US. Are you saying that Indians are
incapable of coming to a decision themselves about their religion without
being forced to at gunpoint? What about the Christian Cherokees who were
given the boot by the US government after the Civil War... because the
Cherokee nation gave mild support to the Confederacy, since they themselves
owned black slaves. No, reducing it all to a matter of religion is to
support a much too narrow view of history.
I've never heard of a single treaty, whether broken by the US government or
not (were any NOT????), that said, if you guys convert to Christianity, you
get to keep all the land you claim. No, treaties were invariably about land...
it meant ceding Indian claims to the government. Sometimes in return the
US government promised the hunter-gatherer tribes (and plenty of tribes were
already farming for centuries, but we don't hear about non-Plains Indians
in movies) food and training in return for taking up a non-nomadic existence.
Promises, of course, which all to often proved empty.
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9975 | From: smk5@quads.uchicago.edu (Steve Kramarsky)
Subject: Re: Fifth Amendment and Passwords
Reply-To: smk5@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Lines: 23
In article <1993Apr17.122651.1874@sugra.uucp> ken@sugra.uucp (Kenneth Ng) writes:
>In article <1993Apr16.165423.27204@linus.mitre.org: ptrei@bistromath.mitre.org (Peter Trei) writes:
>:Judge: "I grant you immunity from whatever may be learned from the key
>: itself"
>:You: "The keyphrase is: "I confess to deliberately evading copyright;
>: the file encoded with this keyphrase contains illegal scans of
>: copyrighted Peanuts strips.""
Can we use murder instead of copyright violation, just to keep things
straight? The 5th applies only to criminal cases which copyright
infringements are not (they are civil).
Steve
P.S. I'm sorry to waste bandwidth on a quibble, I just don't want
anyone to get confused. I think a bunch of kiddie porn GIFs make
a better test case than a bunch of Peanuts strips and that IS criminal
both in posession and distribution.
--
Steve Kramarsky, University of Chicago Law School
steve@faerie.chi.il.us -or- smk5@quads.uchicago.edu
"All I did was kiss a girl." - Jake, the night before his hanging.
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9976 | From: ob00@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (OLCAY BOZ)
Subject: Re: How do I make GhostScript work?
Organization: Lehigh University
Lines: 40
you Need gs252ini.zip and 24*.zip, and 25*.zip font files. You can get these
from wuarchive.wustl.edu /mirrors/msdos/postscript. I also advice you to get
gs252gui.zip from CICA. It is a nice interface for ghostscript. Ghostscript is
very user unfriendly. This interface makes it user friendly. For using this
interface you have to get vbrun100.dll (from risc.ua.edu /pub/network/misc)
copy this to your windows directory. Copy gui executables and other files to
your ghostscript directory. And anter the line below to your autoexec.bat.
SET GS_LIB=C:\<your ghostscript and gui directory>
Now you are ready to use it. Enjoy it.
In article <1993Apr16.114432.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu>, cl238405@ulkyvx.louisvill
e.edu (Steve W Brewer) writes:
>What files do I need to download for GhostScript 2.5.2? I have never used
>GhostScript before, so I don't have any files for it. What I *do* have is
>gs252win.zip, which I downloaded from Cica. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to
>work on it's own, but needs some more files that I don't have. I want to run
>GhostScript both in Windows 3.1 and in MS-DOS on a 386 PC (I understand there's
>versions for both environments). What are all the files I need to download and
>where can I get them? Any info would be appeciated.
>
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9977 | From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Subject: The Armenians were fascist: Historical Armenian Fascism.
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world
Lines: 47
The Armenians were deeply anti-semitic as well. In the May 10, 1936
edition of 'Hairenik Weekly' the vice-mayor of Bucharest, Rumania is
quoted as saying:
"The Armenians helped us not to become the slaves of the Jewish
elements in our country."
In another edition, an author named Captain George Haig writes:
"And the type of Jew who is imported to Palestine...is not anything
to be proud about. Their loose morals, and other vices were
unknown to the Arabs prior to Balfour Declaration, on top of
all communist activities were the cause of most of the Arab
criticism."[1]
As Uzun exposed, the Armenians were fascist. Before Pearl Harbor,
the Dashnak daily 'Hairenik' (not to be confused with the Tzeghagrons
'Hairenik Weekly') expressed pro-Nazi sentiments:
"And came Adolf Hitler, after herculean struggles. He spoke
to the racial heart strings of the German, opened the
fountain of his national genius, strock down the spirit
of defeatism...At no period since the World War had Berlin
conducted so realistic, well organized, and planned policy
as now, since Hitler's assumption to power...And whatever
others may think concerning Hitlerism and Fascism as a
system of Government, it is proved that they have revitalized
and regenerated the two states, Germany and Italy."[2]
[1] Captain George Haig, 'The Case of Palestine,' in Hairenik
Weekly, Friday, September 25, 1936.
[2] 'Hairenik,' official organ of the Dashnaktsuitune, Sept.
17, 1936; quoted in John Roy Carlson, 'The Armenian Displaced
Persons' (see endnote 1), p. 21.
Serdar Argic
'We closed the roads and mountain passes that
might serve as ways of escape for the Turks
and then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
(Ohanus Appressian - 1919)
'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists
a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)
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9978 | From: moskowit@panix.com (Len Moskowitz)
Subject: Re: Bhagavad-Gita 2.32
Organization: Panix Public Access Internet & Unix, NYC
Lines: 79
Kalki Dasa writes:
>These topics are all discussed in the Vedas. In fact, the original
>knowledge of all these topics comes from the Vedas. Therefore, they are
>not "newage" at all. They are rather old by any standards. Nor is the
>popularity they are currently experiencing something new. One would
>think that the Vedas would be very popular among "newagers," since all
>the things you mention above are thoroughly described in them.
Isn't that interesting?! In the Jewish tradition you are incredibly
wrong! They originate in the Torah and with Jewish ancestors,
specifically the Patriarch Abraham (z"l). That knowledge was sent East
to India and China when Abraham gave "gifts" (the commentators to Jewish
scripture say this was the knowledge of the occult arts) to all the rest
of his children when he sent them away to the East. This assured that
Isaac only, who remained with Abraham, would inherit his most important
spiritual gifts, what eventually became Judaism.
So you see, other religions can have very parochial views too. By the
Jewish view, you are very mistaken, your scripture are not scripture,
your gods are not gods, your practices a jumble of errors that lead
people to idol worship and away from God. That doesn't stop us from
respecting you to the extent of not trying to convert you or proselytize
you and being willing to dialog in a respectful manner. We're content
to let you live the way you care to live as long as you leave us be. We
are happy to co-exist as long as you give us the same right.
But your incredible rudeness and violent nature seems to preclude that.
Too bad. Is this typical of your religion?
>However, there is one difference between the "newage" practitioner and
>the actual follower of the Vedic teachings: the typical "newager"
>desires to acquire all the material powers and opulences mentioned in
>the Vedas, without referring to their source, the Lord. He wants the
>kingdom of God without God. He wants personal power without the
>responsibility of acknowledging its source, without the Person from Whom
>that power comes. In other words, he is just plain selfish.
You are a most presumptuous fellow! How dare you presume that the
"typical" New Ager doesn't acknowledge God and is selfish. What trite,
self-righteous, ego-ful garbage! There are Buddhists, Christians, Jews,
and those of many other religions here on this newsgroups for whom your
words are simple slander.
> ...The Vedic
>follower, on the other hand, knows that no matter what one desires, one
>must worship God. And the Vedas give a complete description of exactly
>who is God, so that there can be no mistake in His identification. For
>this reason the parts of the Vedas that deal directly with the
>Personality of Godhead are not very popular among "newagers," and anyone
>who presents the complete Vedas as they are is branded as an
>"evangelist" (as if there is something wrong with that) even though he
>is simply presenting the unadulterated Vedic teachings.
Of course, from the Jewish perspective you are incredibly wrong. We'd
say that there is no "godhead" -- just created beings who may be
enjoying a good laugh at your expense.
>A thief takes from others and says "this is mine." A "newager" takes
>from God and says "this is mine." Such a false mystic must be careful to
>avoid coming in contact with the real owner of the things he has stolen.
>Consequently, he invents an explanation for these things that
>conveniently omits the identity of their owner, the Lord. In other
>words, he lies about where he got them.
So not only are we selfish, we are also thieves and liars! And you
expect any of us to pay attention to you and your "religion?" Why not
call us more name? Maybe then we'll all convert in gratefullness!
>However, the Lord is very merciful, and He sends His servants to remind
>the "newager" of his own identity as spirit soul, the eternal servant of
>God. Hence, although unwanted, the "evangelist" continues to broadcast
>the complete truth.
You delude yourself.
--
Len Moskowitz
moskowit@panix.com
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9979 | From: rws2v@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Richard Stoakley)
Subject: Need a good concave -> convex polygon algorithm
Organization: University of Virginia Computer Science Department
Lines: 6
We need a good concave ->convex polygon conversion routine.
I've tried a couple without much luck. Please E-mail responses and I
will post a summary of any replies. Thank you.
Richard Stoakley
rws2v@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU
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9980 | From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)
Subject: Re: <Political Atheists?
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Lines: 8
NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu
mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk> writes:
>As for rape, surely there the burden of guilt is solely on the rapist?
Not so. If you are thrown into a cage with a tiger and get mauled, do you
blame the tiger?
keith
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9981 | From: bredell@tdb.uu.se (Mats Bredell)
Subject: Re: Quadra 900 startup w/out monitor...ya right.
Reply-To: Mats.Bredell@udac.uu.se
Organization: Uppsala University Computing Center (UDAC)
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Lines: 16
Shawn FitzGerald (chungkuo@umcc.umcc.umich.edu) wrote:
: Is there a fix for this? We have a Quadra 900 that will NOT finish startup
: unless there is a monitor connected. This would be no problem, but since
: we're running it as a file server, there is no need to have a monitor
: connected all the time.
I've seen a control panel made for this. I don't remember the name, where I
saw it, or on what Quadra models it will work. But I do know it exists :)
/Mats
--
Mats Bredell Mats.Bredell@udac.uu.se
Uppsala University Computing Center (UDAC) Ph: +46 18 187817
Department of medical systems Fax: +46 18 187825
Sweden Think straight - be gay!
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9982 | From: cantrell@sauron.msfc.nasa.gov (Eric Cantrell)
Subject: EEG Kit?
Nntp-Posting-Host: sauron.msfc.nasa.gov
Organization: NASA/MSFC
X-Newsreader: NN version 6.4.19
Lines: 9
Awhile back someone posted some information on where you can get
kits to build an EEG. Does anyone remember where you could get
this. I'm very interested in getting some info on this. Thanks
in advance.
eric
cantrell@sauron.msfc.nasa
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9983 | From: cosmo@pro-angmar.alfalfa.com (Frank Benson)
Subject: Argic
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
Lines: 5
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu
You definetly are in need of a shrink, loser!
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ProLine: cosmo@pro-angmar
Internet: cosmo@pro-angmar.alfalfa.com
UUCP: uunet!bu.edu!alphalpha!pro-angmar!cosmo
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9984 | From: as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Tree of Schnopia)
Subject: Re: New Study Out On Gay Percentage
Nntp-Posting-Host: uhura.cc.rochester.edu
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York
Lines: 51
In <C5L0v1.JCv@news.cso.uiuc.edu> dans@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dan S.) writes:
>brian@gab.unt.edu (Brian "Drakula" Stone) writes:
>(No axe to grind here I'm just a scientist and I hate to see statistics abused.)
Pity you didn't say something about the use of statistics to justify
targeting and persecuting a minority, then.
>>Men are men and they all like sex. I am a gay male. I have had sex three
>>times in my life, all with the same man. Before that, I was a virgin.
>I am a hetero man and have had sex with one woman in my life (my wife). It is
>very pleasing to me to be able to say that. I hope you have the same feeling
>as I do. I also wish that you could (if you wanted) experience the joys and
>trials of being committed to someone for life (there is something about marriage
>that makes the commitment much greater than one might expect).
What in the Tree makes you think we queers CAN'T experience that commitment?
What's stopping us from committing to one partner for the rest of our lives?
I have every intention of doing so, once I find the right person...and
whether that person is male or female, I seriously doubt that a church
ceremony/public vow/licence will make any difference whatsoever in the sort
of commitment I experience with that person. You have no conception of the
difference marriage makes since you have never known any other way.
>>Statistics alone prove that most criminals are by default hetero...
>Don't forget about the culture. Sadly, we don't (as a society) look upon
>homosexuality as normal (and as we are all too well aware, there are alot
>of people who condemn it). As a result, the gay population is not encouraged
>to develop "non-promiscuous" relationships. In fact there are many roadblocks
>put in the way of such committed relationships. It is as if the heterosexual
>community puts these blocks there so as to perpetuate the claim that gays
>are immoral. "My, if we allowed gays to marry, raise children ... we might
>just find out they're as moral as we are, can't have that can we?"
You're getting to the right idea here...just be careful of making statements
like the above, and you'll be part of the solution and not the problem.
>Just some thoughts. Flame away. :)
No flames necessary. :)
Drywid
--
----bi Andrew D. Simchik SCHNOPIA!
\ ---- as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu TreeWater
\\ /
\/ "Words Weren't Made For Cowards"--Happy Rhodes
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9985 | From: Thyagi@cup.portal.com (Thyagi Morgoth NagaSiva)
Subject: ZOROASTRIANISM - SAN JOSE - (Merc News Article)
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world
Lines: 169
ZOROASTRIANISM
SAN JOSE, CA, USA
Monday April 5, 1993
San Jose Mercury News, Page 1
[Reproduced without permission]
_3,700-year tradition still glows -
'Assimilation in U.S. threatens ancient Zoroastrian religion'_
By Jeanne Huber, Mercury News Staff Writer
HIGH ON A HILLSIDE above San Jose, flames leap up 24 hours a day from a
gleaming brass urn in a temple - one of only four in the United States -
dedicated to one of the world's most ancient religions.
With the flames go the prayers of about 1,200 Bay Area Zoroastrians that
their faith will survive this land.
"There is a fear - a real fear, too," said Silloo Tarapore of Lafayette.
"We have one generation to do it or to die."
Many immigrant groups struggle to maintain an identity in a strange land.
But for Zoroastrians, it is an especially poignant concern.
Their religion has been around for perhaps 3,700 years, a heritage so deep
it scarcely seems comprehensible in a state where "historical sites" are
sometimes less than 100 years old. It was the religion of the great Persian
Empire under kings Cyrus and Darius. And tradition says that when Christ
was born about 500 years later, he was honored by a visit from three
Zoroastrian priests, the Magi. Scholars say many key beliefs of Christians,
Jews and Muslims can be traced to the teachings of Zoroaster, the
Zoroastrian prophet.
Yet, with only about 150,000 Zoroastrians in the entire world, they are
a miniscule minority in every country in which they live. Survival as a
people is very much on their minds.
Ironically, local Zoroastrians fear that the almost unlimited tolerance
of the United States may do what hundreds of years of persecution followed
by nearly 1,000 years of benign religious segregation could not do: cause
their young people to stop thinking of themselves as Zoroastrians.
Zoroastrians do not believe theirs is the only right religion, and they
actually shun the notion of trying to win converts. So if their children
become totally assimilated, they say, it's their children - rather than
the world at large - who will be the losers.
"It's important to have an identity," said Maneck Bhujwaia of San Jose,
a leader among Zoroastrians who came here from India. "It's important
for everybody - Irish, Scottish, Americans. It gives meaning to life.
You don't have to depend on the majority community to give you respect.
You can fall back on your own identity."
For Zoroastrians, there's much to be proud of.
Their prophet, Zoroaster, seeking to make sense of a culture in which
animal sacrifice to multiple gods was common, preached that there was
only one god, a good one. Zoroastrians call their god Ahura Mazda, which
translates as Lord of Wisdom and Light.
_Good vs. evil_
Zoroaster saw life as a constant struggle between good and evil, with
the good eventually winning. Men and women could join in the battle for
good, he said, and he warned that they would inevitably suffer consequences
such as shame and sorrow if they did wrong. He preached honesty, charity,
kindness to animals, respect for the environment, hard work, equality of
men and women - basic virtues preached by prophets of many religions.
But Zoroaster was perhaps unusual in that he told his followers not to
follow him blindly. He demanded they think for themselves. In fact,
Joseph Campbell, the famous scholar of the history and meaning of myths,
traced the Western emphasis on individual thought to the Zoroastrians.
Zoroastrians have many words for thought. Their motto, leaded into a
stained glass window over the sacred fire at the temple on the slopes of
Mount Hamilton, is "Good thoughts, good words, good deeds."
So it's not surprising that Zoroastrians value education highly. In India,
where a contingent of Zoroastrians arrived in the ninth century to escape
persecution by Muslims in Iran, Zoroastrians claim 100 percent literacy;
the overall statistic in India is just 60 percent.
About half of the Bay Area Zoroastrian community came here from India
and Pakistan, mostly to study at universities. The other half fled from
Iran after the 1979 revolution made that a fundamentalist Islamic state
where others had no rights.
Local Zoroastrians point with pride to ways their emphasis on "good
deeds" has improved life in every country they inhabit. In San Jose,
the recent restoration of the Hotel Sainte Clarie came about because
Manou Mobedshahi, a San Francisco-based hotelier, passed the boarded-up
downtown landmark on his way to and from the temple. At the temple's
dedication, the chief guest of honor was the mother of Zubin Mehta, the
Zoroastrian conductor of the New York Philharmonic Orchestra.
The temple exists because of another good deed: the decision by an
Iranian emigre, the late Arbab Rustom Guiv, to buy land for six temples
in North America. Besides the 10-acre site off Crothers Road on Mount
Hamilton, he paid for land in Los Angeles, Chicago, New York, Toronto,
and Vancouver. Until his gifts, there were no Zoroastrian temples on
this continent.
Local Zoroastrians raised money to build the actual temple, and the
property already had a large house that they have converted to a
community center.
The temple, dedicated a year ago on the birthday of the prophet
Zoroaster, is a simple structure with gleaming white walls, vaulted
ceilings and oak floors, partially covered with huge Oriental carpets.
Its central feature is the fire, set in the middle of a partly-glassed-
in area at the center of the building. Although Zoroastrians are
sometimes called "fire worshippers," they actually consider fire just
a symbol of God. "It helps us concentrate, just like Christians use the
cross and Muslims use the Holy Book," Bhujwala said.
The biggest celebration of the years occurs in early spring. For all
Iranians, including Zoroastrians, the New Year begins on the first day of
the season because of its symbolism as the start of new life. With
Zoroaster's birthday just six days later, the combination of religious
and secular holidays creates something on par with what most of the
United States celebrates between Christmas and Jan. 1.
For this year's celebration of the prophet's birthday, about 500 people
came to worship and revel.
"The good things in life are not forbidden," Esfandiar Anoushiravani,
a leader of the Iranian members, had said beforehand, and what followed
proved him right.
Inside the temple, worshipers filled every chair and sat or stood
around the edges of the room as about a half-dozen priests chanted
thanksgiving prayers around a table laden with braziers of smoking
sandalwood, glasses of milk and water, and a tray heaped with dried fruit
and nuts.
Kids crowded around, grabbing handfuls of the treats. "People eat the
fruit," Tarapore said. "It's a way to participate in the ceremony."
_Santa Claus, sort of_
The gathering even had a Santa Claus, Iranian style. With flowing white
hair and a bag of gifts for the children, this Amownaroz wore green
symbolic of spring) and red.
He was ushed in by a sort of spring clown, Hajefyrouz, who danced and
played a tambourine.
The Zoroastrians from India were charmed. "This is all new for us, too,"
one told a visitor who asked what was going on.
A visitor, John A. Sabanovich of Folsom, said he became intrigued with
the religion years ago while on business trips to Iran. Zoroastrians have
no procedure for accepting converts - a result, some say, of their
centuries of persecution in Iran followed by their promise to the Hindu
king who allowed them into India that they would not interfere with his
people's religion.
But that does not stop Sabavich from joining in the celebrations at the
San Jose temple whenever he can.
"When I first heard about this religion," he said, "I thought, my God,
this is what a religion should be. They think for themselves and do good.
"People who don't have a tradition, something to lean on, what's the
difference with the lower animals?"
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9986 | From: leech@cs.unc.edu (Jon Leech)
Subject: Space FAQ 13/15 - Interest Groups & Publications
Keywords: Frequently Asked Questions
Article-I.D.: cs.groups_733694492
Expires: 6 May 1993 20:01:32 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill
Lines: 354
Supersedes: <groups_730956605@cs.unc.edu>
NNTP-Posting-Host: mahler.cs.unc.edu
Archive-name: space/groups
Last-modified: $Date: 93/04/01 14:39:08 $
SPACE ACTIVIST/INTEREST/RESEARCH GROUPS AND SPACE PUBLICATIONS
GROUPS
AIA -- Aerospace Industry Association. Professional group, with primary
membership of major aerospace firms. Headquartered in the DC area.
Acts as the "voice of the aerospace industry" -- and it's opinions
are usually backed up by reams of analyses and the reputations of
the firms in AIA.
[address needed]
AIAA -- American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics.
Professional association, with somewhere about 30,000-40,000
members. 65 local chapters around the country -- largest chapters
are DC area (3000 members), LA (2100 members), San Francisco (2000
members), Seattle/NW (1500), Houston (1200) and Orange County
(1200), plus student chapters. Not a union, but acts to represent
aviation and space professionals (engineers, managers, financial
types) nationwide. Holds over 30 conferences a year on space and
aviation topics publishes technical Journals (Aerospace Journal,
Journal of Spacecraft and Rockets, etc.), technical reference books
and is _THE_ source on current aerospace state of the art through
their published papers and proceedings. Also offers continuing
education classes on aerospace design. Has over 60 technical
committees, and over 30 committees for industry standards. AIAA acts
as a professional society -- offers a centralized resume/jobs
function, provides classes on job search, offers low-cost health and
life insurance, and lobbies for appropriate legislation (AIAA was
one of the major organizations pushing for IRAs - Individual
Retirement Accounts). Very active public policy arm -- works
directly with the media, congress and government agencies as a
legislative liaison and clearinghouse for inquiries about aerospace
technology technical issues. Reasonably non-partisan, in that they
represent the industry as a whole, and not a single company,
organization, or viewpoint.
Membership $70/yr (student memberships are less).
American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics
The Aerospace Center
370 L'Enfant Promenade, SW
Washington, DC 20077-0820
(202)-646-7400
AMSAT - develops small satellites (since the 1960s) for a variety of
uses by amateur radio enthusiasts. Has various publications,
supplies QuickTrak satellite tracking software for PC/Mac/Amiga etc.
Amateur Satellite Corporation (AMSAT)
P.O. Box 27
Washington, DC 20044
(301)-589-6062
ASERA - Australian Space Engineering and Research Association. An
Australian non-profit organisation to coordinate, promote, and
conduct space R&D projects in Australia, involving both Australian
and international (primarily university) collaborators. Activities
include the development of sounding rockets, small satellites
(especially microsatellites), high-altitude research balloons, and
appropriate payloads. Provides student projects at all levels, and
is open to any person or organisation interested in participating.
Publishes a monthly newsletter and a quarterly technical journal.
Membership $A100 (dual subscription)
Subscriptions $A25 (newsletter only) $A50 (journal only)
ASERA Ltd
PO Box 184
Ryde, NSW, Australia, 2112
email: lindley@syd.dit.csiro.au
BIS - British Interplanetary Society. Probably the oldest pro-space
group, BIS publishes two excellent journals: _Spaceflight_, covering
current space activities, and the _Journal of the BIS_, containing
technical papers on space activities from near-term space probes to
interstellar missions. BIS has published a design study for an
interstellar probe called _Daedalus_.
British Interplanetary Society
27/29 South Lambeth Road
London SW8 1SZ
ENGLAND
No dues information available at present.
ISU - International Space University. ISU is a non-profit international
graduate-level educational institution dedicated to promoting the
peaceful exploration and development of space through multi-cultural
and multi-disciplinary space education and research. For further
information on ISU's summer session program or Permanent Campus
activities please send messages to 'information@isu.isunet.edu' or
contact the ISU Executive Offices at:
International Space University
955 Massachusetts Avenue 7th Floor
Cambridge, MA 02139
(617)-354-1987 (phone)
(617)-354-7666 (fax)
L-5 Society (defunct). Founded by Keith and Carolyn Henson in 1975 to
advocate space colonization. Its major success was in preventing US
participation in the UN "Moon Treaty" in the late 1970s. Merged with
the National Space Institute in 1987, forming the National Space
Society.
NSC - National Space Club. Open for general membership, but not well
known at all. Primarily comprised of professionals in aerospace
industry. Acts as information conduit and social gathering group.
Active in DC, with a chapter in LA. Monthly meetings with invited
speakers who are "heavy hitters" in the field. Annual "Outlook on
Space" conference is _the_ definitive source of data on government
annual planning for space programs. Cheap membership (approx
$20/yr).
[address needed]
NSS - the National Space Society. NSS is a pro-space group distinguished
by its network of local chapters. Supports a general agenda of space
development and man-in-space, including the NASA space station.
Publishes _Ad Astra_, a monthly glossy magazine, and runs Shuttle
launch tours and Space Hotline telephone services. A major sponsor
of the annual space development conference. Associated with
Spacecause and Spacepac, political lobbying organizations.
Membership $18 (youth/senior) $35 (regular).
National Space Society
Membership Department
922 Pennsylvania Avenue, S.E.
Washington, DC 20003-2140
(202)-543-1900
Planetary Society - founded by Carl Sagan. The largest space advocacy
group. Publishes _Planetary Report_, a monthly glossy, and has
supported SETI hardware development financially. Agenda is primarily
support of space science, recently amended to include an
international manned mission to Mars.
The Planetary Society
65 North Catalina Avenue
Pasadena, CA 91106
Membership $35/year.
SSI - the Space Studies Institute, founded by Dr. Gerard O'Neill.
Physicist Freeman Dyson took over the Presidency of SSI after
O'Neill's death in 1992. Publishes _SSI Update_, a bimonthly
newsletter describing work-in-progress. Conducts a research program
including mass-drivers, lunar mining processes and simulants,
composites from lunar materials, solar power satellites. Runs the
biennial Princeton Conference on Space Manufacturing.
Membership $25/year. Senior Associates ($100/year and up) fund most
SSI research.
Space Studies Institute
258 Rosedale Road
PO Box 82
Princeton, NJ 08540
SEDS - Students for the Exploration and Development of Space. Founded in
1980 at MIT and Princeton. SEDS is a chapter-based pro-space
organization at high schools and universities around the world.
Entirely student run. Each chapter is independent and coordinates
its own local activities. Nationally, SEDS runs a scholarship
competition, design contests, and holds an annual international
conference and meeting in late summer.
Students for the Exploration and Development of Space
MIT Room W20-445
77 Massachusetts Avenue
Cambridge, MA 02139
(617)-253-8897
email: odyssey@athena.mit.edu
Dues determined by local chapter.
SPACECAUSE - A political lobbying organization and part of the NSS
Family of Organizations. Publishes a bi-monthly newsletter,
Spacecause News. Annual dues is $25. Members also receive a discount
on _The Space Activist's Handbook_. Activities to support pro-space
legislation include meeting with political leaders and interacting
with legislative staff. Spacecause primarily operates in the
legislative process.
National Office West Coast Office
Spacecause Spacecause
922 Pennsylvania Ave. SE 3435 Ocean Park Blvd.
Washington, D.C. 20003 Suite 201-S
(202)-543-1900 Santa Monica, CA 90405
SPACEPAC - A political action committee and part of the NSS Family of
Organizations. Spacepac researches issues, policies, and candidates.
Each year, updates _The Space Activist's Handbook_. Current Handbook
price is $25. While Spacepac does not have a membership, it does
have regional contacts to coordinate local activity. Spacepac
primarily operates in the election process, contributing money and
volunteers to pro-space candidates.
Spacepac
922 Pennsylvania Ave. SE
Washington, DC 20003
(202)-543-1900
UNITED STATES SPACE FOUNDATION - a public, non-profit organization
supported by member donations and dedicated to promoting
international education, understanding and support of space. The
group hosts an annual conference for teachers and others interested
in education. Other projects include developing lesson plans that
use space to teach other basic skills such as reading. Publishes
"Spacewatch," a monthly B&W glossy magazine of USSF events and
general space news. Annual dues:
Charter $50 ($100 first year)
Individual $35
Teacher $29
College student $20
HS/Jr. High $10
Elementary $5
Founder & $1000+
Life Member
United States Space Foundation
PO Box 1838
Colorado Springs, CO 80901
(719)-550-1000
WORLD SPACE FOUNDATION - has been designing and building a solar-sail
spacecraft for longer than any similar group; many JPL employees lend
their talents to this project. WSF also provides partial funding for the
Palomar Sky Survey, an extremely successful search for near-Earth
asteroids. Publishes *Foundation News* and *Foundation Astronautics
Notebook*, each a quarterly 4-8 page newsletter. Contributing Associate,
minimum of $15/year (but more money always welcome to support projects).
World Space Foundation
Post Office Box Y
South Pasadena, California 91301
PUBLICATIONS
Aerospace Daily (McGraw-Hill)
Very good coverage of aerospace and space issues. Approx. $1400/yr.
Air & Space / Smithsonian (bimonthly magazine)
Box 53261
Boulder, CO 80332-3261
$18/year US, $24/year international
ESA - The European Space Agency publishes a variety of periodicals,
generally available free of charge. A document describing them in
more detail is in the Ames SPACE archive in
pub/SPACE/FAQ/ESAPublications.
Final Frontier (mass-market bimonthly magazine) - history, book reviews,
general-interest articles (e.g. "The 7 Wonders of the Solar System",
"Everything you always wanted to know about military space
programs", etc.)
Final Frontier Publishing Co.
PO Box 534
Mt. Morris, IL 61054-7852
$14.95/year US, $19.95 Canada, $23.95 elsewhere
Space News (weekly magazine) - covers US civil and military space
programs. Said to have good political and business but spotty
technical coverage.
Space News
Springfield VA 22159-0500
(703)-642-7330
$75/year, may have discounts for NSS/SSI members
Journal of the Astronautical Sciences and Space Times - publications of
the American Astronautical Society. No details.
AAS Business Office
6352 Rolling Mill Place, Suite #102
Springfield, VA 22152
(703)-866-0020
GPS World (semi-monthly) - reports on current and new uses of GPS, news
and analysis of the system and policies affecting it, and technical
and product issues shaping GPS applications.
GPS World
859 Willamette St.
P.O. Box 10460
Eugene, OR 97440-2460
(503)-343-1200
Free to qualified individuals; write for free sample copy.
Innovation (Space Technology) -- Free. Published by the NASA Office of
Advanced Concepts and Technology. A revised version of the NASA
Office of Commercial Programs newsletter.
Planetary Encounter - in-depth technical coverage of planetary missions,
with diagrams, lists of experiments, interviews with people directly
involved.
World Spaceflight News - in-depth technical coverage of near-Earth
spaceflight. Mostly covers the shuttle: payload manifests, activity
schedules, and post-mission assessment reports for every mission.
Box 98
Sewell, NJ 08080
$30/year US/Canada
$45/year elsewhere
Space (bi-monthly magazine)
British aerospace trade journal. Very good. $75/year.
Space Calendar (weekly newsletter)
Space Daily/Space Fax Daily (newsletter)
Short (1 paragraph) news notes. Available online for a fee
(unknown).
Space Technology Investor/Commercial Space News -- irregular Internet
column on aspects of commercial space business. Free. Also limited
fax and paper edition.
P.O. Box 2452
Seal Beach, CA 90740-1452.
All the following are published by:
Phillips Business Information, Inc.
7811 Montrose Road
Potomac, MC 20854
Aerospace Financial News - $595/year.
Defense Daily - Very good coverage of space and defense issues.
$1395/year.
Space Business News (bi-weekly) - Very good overview of space
business activities. $497/year.
Space Exploration Technology (bi-weekly) - $495/year.
Space Station News (bi-weekly) - $497/year.
UNDOCUMENTED GROUPS
Anyone who would care to write up descriptions of the following
groups (or others not mentioned) for inclusion in the answer is
encouraged to do so.
AAS - American Astronautical Society
Other groups not mentioned above
NEXT: FAQ #14/15 - How to become an astronaut
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9987 | From: dmp1@ukc.ac.uk (D.M.Procida)
Subject: Re: Homeopathy: a respectable medical tradition?
Reply-To: dmp1@ukc.ac.uk (D.M.Procida)
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.
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Nntp-Posting-Host: eagle.ukc.ac.uk
In article <19609@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes:
>Accepted by whom? Not by scientists. There are people
>in every country who waste time and money on quackery.
>In Britain and Scandanavia, where I have worked, it was not paid for.
>What are "most of these countries?" I don't believe you.
I am told (by the person who I care a lot about and who I am worried
is going to start putting his health and money into homeopathy without
really knowing what he is getting into and who is the reason I posted
in the first place about homeopathy) that in Britain homeopathy is
available on the National Health Service and that there are about 6000
GPs who use homeopathic practices. True? False? What?
Have there been any important and documented investigations into
homeopathic principles?
I was reading a book on homeopathy over the weekend. I turned to the
section on the principles behind homeopathic medicine, and two
paragraphs informed me that homeopaths don't feel obliged to provide
any sort of explanation. The author stated this with pride, as though
it were some sort of virtue! Why am I sceptical about homeopathy? Is
it because I am a narrow-minded bigot, or is it because homeopathy
really looks more like witch-doctory than anything else?
Daniele.
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9988 | From: JBE5 <JBE5@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA>
Subject: WFAN (STEVE & CHIEF ON 48 HOURS)
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Organization: McGill University
Greetings!
Steve Summers and the Chief were on 48 Hours last night shmoozing
sports. I unfortunately missed it. Those of you who saw it, can
you please provide a synopsis.
Thanx.
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McGill University
---> I'M TOO SEXY FOR COBOL.
---> Habs...it doesn't look good!
---> Let's Go Expos!
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9989 | From: kurt@oddjob.uchicago.edu (Kurt Henriksen)
Subject: BRAKE ROTORS..CROSS DRILLING...1-312-702-8323
Organization: University of Chicago, Astronomy and Astrophysics
Distribution: na
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9990 | From: dkfox@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (fox darin k)
Subject: FOR SALE: 386 Laptop/80 HD/4m RAM
Summary: FOR SALE: 386 Laptop/80m HD/4m RAM
Keywords: laptop 386 for sale
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Lines: 21
*FOR SALE*
Compudyne 386-25SXL Laptop
80 meg HD
4 meg RAM
3.5" FD
VGA Monochrome 64 Grey Scale
+Math Coprocessor!
Asking $1500, or best offer. Must sell soon.
**Do not reply to this email address**
Call Johnny at 312/856-1767
Email: phd_cz@gsbacd.uchicago.edu
--
| Darin K. Fox, B.A. '89, J.D. '92 | Are you master of your |
| Univ. of Ill. Graduate School of | domain? |
| Library and Information Science | - Seinfeld |
|
9991 | From: ez005997@othello.ucdavis.edu (Oppy)
Subject: Info. on Genoa 8500 vlb card or other low-end vlb?
Originator: ez005997@othello.ucdavis.edu
Organization: University of California, Davis
Distribution: usa
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I am looking for an inexpensive vlb card, and have yet to run across any
real reviews of them. One of the cards the local stores are pushing is
the Genoa 8500 for $125-140. Apparently it uses a Cirrus Logic acc. chip,
but I don't know which one (GD5426?). One of the shops I've spoken with
claims the card out-performs the Diamond Stealth 24 vl and the Orchid
Fahrenheit 1280 plus vl cards (S3 86C805 based), but that can't be true
if it is using the GD5426. I like the price of the Genoa 8500, but if it
lags in performance behind the S3 cards, I'll pay the extra $50 for one
of them.
Any info. on low end vlb cards would be appreciated. If I get replies via
email, I'll post summary info. if anyone else is interested.
Thanks in advance,
Brian Oppy (bjoppy@ucdavis.edu)
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9992 | From: mont@netcom.com (Mont Pierce)
Subject: Re: 8051 Microcontroller
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Lines: 20
In article <1993Apr19.194525.3888@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov> bday@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Brian Day) writes:
>mcole@spock (COLE) writes:
>
>>I would like to experiment with the INTEL 8051 family. Does anyone out
>>there know of any good FTP sites that might have compiliers, assemblers,
>>etc.?
>
>Try lyman.pppl.gov -- /pub/8051
Great. This site is a complete shadow of the Signetics BBS 8051 directory.
Thanks Brian,
--
Mont Pierce
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9993 | From: bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig)
Subject: Is it good that Jesus died?
Organization: Starfleet Headquarters: San Francisco
Lines: 114
brian@lpl.arizona.edu (Brian Ceccarelli 602/621-9615) writes:
>Brian Kendig writes:
>
>>If you can explain to me why the death of Jesus was a *good* thing,
>>then I would be very glad to hear it, and you might even convert me.
>>Be warned, however, that I've heard all the most common arguments
>>before, and they just don't convince me.
>
>Ask Jesus himself. He himself said why in John 12:23-32. It
>isn't a mystery to anyone and there certainly is no need for
>a persuasive argument. Read Jesus's own reply to your
>question.
John 12:24-26: "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat
falls onto the ground and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies, it
produces much grain.
"He who loves his life will lose it, and he who hates his life in
this world will keep it for eternal life.
"If anyone serves Me, let him follow Me; and where I am, there My
servant will be also. If anyone serves Me, him My Father will honor."
Why would I want an eternal life if I hate this one?
If we were created by a deity, why would that deity not wish us to
enjoy what he has given us?
Why would I want to live forever? The challenge in my life is that I
will die, and that I must give my life the meaning I wish it to have
before that happens. My time is here and will someday pass; I will be
content to live on in the memories of my friends, and once they too
are dead, then I will no longer have any reason to exist.
In short: even if your deity *does* exist, that doesn't automatically
mean that I would worship it. I am content to live my own life, and
fend for myself, so when I die, I can be proud of the fact that no
matter where I end up, it will be because of *my* actions and *my* choices.
If your god decides to toss me into a flaming pit for this, then so be
it. I would much rather just cease to exist. But if your god wants
my respect and my obedience, then it had better earn these; and if it
does, then they will be very strong and true.
>Jesus gives more reasons in John 16:7. But one obvious reason
>why Jesus died, (and as with everything else, it has nothing do with
>his punishment) was that he could rise to life again--so that
>we would "stop doubting and believe" (John 21:27). The fact
>that Jesus rose from the dead is my hope that I too will rise
>from the dead. It is an obvious point. Do not overlook it.
>Without this obvious point, I would have no hope
>and my faith would be vanity.
Jesus wasn't the only one who rose from the dead -- I think it was
Osiris who did the same, as well as a few characters from Greek or
Norse legend, if memory serves.
But still: WHY would I want to rise from the dead? Why do *you* want to?
>Why did Jesus suffer in his death? Again, ask Jesus. Jesus
>says why in John 15:18-25. That's no mystery either. "The
>world hates him without reason." It is a direct proclamation
>of how far we humans botch things up and thus, how much we
>need a Saviour.
If your god wants to win my devotion, then it knows what it can do --
provide some way for me to believe without having to resort to blind
faith that could be applied equally well to any religion.
>And why can't you, Brian K., accept this? How can you? "The
>world cannot accept him because it neither sees him nor knows
>him." (John 14:17).
That's precisely it. I neither see nor know Zeus either, nor Odin.
Shall I offer them the same devotion I offer Jesus?
>The animosity and the lack of knowledge
>that comes out in your twistings of Robert's daily verses is
>very convincing testimony of the truth of John 14:17 and 16:25.
You've got to understand my point-of-view: I see Christians spouting
Bible verse all the time as if it were some sort of magic spell that
will level all opposition. Truth is, it's not. Robert has never
demonstrated that he actually understands what the verses imply; he
just rattles them off day by day. Some brazenly fly in the face of
common sense and reality, and I point these out where I can.
But even more than that, even when Christians *do* try to explain the
verses in their own words, they do so from a Christian point of view,
which is that every human being would want to be a Christian if only
he or she understood the Christian message properly, and then all
strife and suffering on the earth would end. Here's the problem with
that: substitute "Moslem" or "Buddhist" or "Satanist" instead of
"Christian", and it means the same thing.
Christanity is a very nice belief set around a very nice book. But if
you want to make me believe that it has any bearing on the REAL WORLD,
you've got some convincing to do.
>I pray and hope that I do blurt out such animosity and lack of
>knowledge. I am not perfect either. But regardless of that, I thank
>God that Jesus revealed himself to me, without whom I'd also be
>bumbling about blindly though arrogantly slandering the very
>Person who created me and who loves me.
And in my opinion, you're bumbling about blindly making up entities
where there aren't any, and depriving yourself of a true understanding
and enjoyment of your life. As long as you keep your beliefs to
yourself, I'll keep my beliefs to myself -- but as soon as you start
waving them around, expect me to toss in my opinions, too.
--
_/_/_/ Brian Kendig Je ne suis fait comme aucun
/_/_/ bskendig@netcom.com de ceux que j'ai vus; j'ose croire
_/_/ n'etre fait comme aucun de ceux qui existent.
/ The meaning of life Si je ne vaux pas mieux, au moins je suis autre.
/ is that it ends. -- Rousseau
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9994 | From: carl@lvsun.com (Carl Shapiro)
Subject: Re: Estimating Wiretap Costs/Benefits
Summary: Benefits probably greater than thought
Organization: Las Vegas Sun
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In article <1993Apr20.203756.20667@kronos.arc.nasa.gov> hanson@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Robin Hanson) writes:
>A rough estimate suggests that wiretaps are worth about five million
>dollars per year to U.S. law enforcement agencies. (In 1990, 872 U.S.
>wiretaps led to 2057 arrests, while total police expenditures of $28
>billion led to 11.25 million arrests [ref US Statistical Abstracts].)
>I'm working on estimating this wiretap benefit more accurately, but
You seem to be assuming that all arrests are of equal value, and that
the use of wiretaps is spread uniformly among them.
Given this comparatively tiny number of wiretaps, and the associated
difficulty and cost involved (judges, technicians, etc) I expect that
law enforcement reserves the use of wiretaps for the most valuable
cases. Since the "value" of an arrest can vary over an enormous range
(eg. jaywalking -> mass murder) I think your $5 million estimate may
be too low by a couple of orders of magnitude.
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9995 | From: sanjay@kin.lap.upenn.edu (Sanjay Sinha)
Subject: Battery Charger
Keywords: battery charger
Organization: University of Pennsylvania, Language Analysis Center
Lines: 18
Nntp-Posting-Host: kin.lap.upenn.edu
I just noticed that my halogen table lamp runs off 12 Volts.
The big thinngy that plugs into the wall says 12 Volts DC, 20mA
The question is: Can I trickle charge the battery on my CB650
with it?
I don't know the rating of the battery, but it is a factory
intalled one.
Thanks,
Sanjay
--
'81 CB650 DoD #1224
I would give my right arm to be ambidextrous!
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9996 | Organization: Central Michigan University
From: John Foster <32HNBAK@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Subject: Re: Changing oil by self.
<1993Apr15.112826.25211@colorado.edu>
Lines: 38
>From: drew@kinglear.cs.colorado.edu (Drew Eckhardt)
>In article <pod.734834505@sour.sw.oz.au> pod@sour.sw.oz.au (Paul O'Donnell) wri
>>In <1qgi8eINNhs5@skeena.ucs.ubc.ca> yiklam@unixg.ubc.ca (Yik Chong Lam) writes
>>
>>>Hello,
>>
>>> Does anyone know how to take out the bolt under the engine
>>>compartment? Should I turn clockwise or counter? I tried any kind
>>>of lubricants, WD-40,etc, but I still failed!
>>> Do you think I can use a electric drill( change to a suitable
>>>bit ) to turn it out? If I can succeed, can I re-tighten it not too
>>>tight, is it safe without oil leak?
>>
>>You shouldn't need any power tools to undo it, an electric drill
>>probably won't give you much extra torque anyway. WD40 will help
>>things that are seized due to rust but this is unlikely for a drain
>>plug. You should be able to undo it with a spanner. When it
>>loosens, it will probably become very loose and you will bash your
>>knuckles on the underside of the car - this is the price you must
>>pay for doing you own work.
>
>No, that's the price you pay for not knowing how to use a
>wrench. You want to pull the wrench towards you, away from
>painful knuckle splitting hard things. If you can't pull it
>because things are in the way, push it with an open hand.
I find this method much better myself, too, although I do really
hate it when the bolt finally comes loose and the wrench and my
hand both come crashing into my face. After coming to, which is
about 15 minutes later, I change my clothes (because by this time
all the oil has drained *on* me), and ice my entire face and suck
down about 20 Tylenol to ease the pain. Later in the day I then
proceed with refilling the engine oil.
It's just crazy how I try and change the oil on my cars in one
weekend---I go through about 3 bottles of Tylenol and 2 bags of ice.
John
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9997 | From: cr292@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jim Schenk)
Subject: Re: the hawks WILL return to the finals!!!!!
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu
The Hawks won the Norris div, and sealed their fate. It's bad luck
to win the Norris. The Hawks will sweep the Blues in their dreams but will
lose in 6 in reality. I predict that in the 6 game with the Blues Belfour
will go down on his knees 7000 time s and will spend the rest of the time
looking behind him self. Butcher will pound Roenick and The warthawks have
no one tough enough to prevent it
Bye Bye Wart HAwks
|
9998 | From: wbdst+@pitt.edu (William B Dwinnell)
Subject: VESA as a graphics standard
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
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In the UIBM PC world, how much of a "standard" has VESA become for
SVGA graphics? I know there are lots of graphics-board companies out
there, as well as several graphics chips manufacturers- are they adhering to
the VESA standard, and what effect is/will the VESA Local Bus have on all
of this?
Anyone?
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9999 | From: ehung@ampex.com (Eric Hung)
Subject: Re: HELP! Installing second IDE drive
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>>Another possibility is that the 85MB one is already partitioned into
>>two seperate drives, C and D, and the CMOS asks for "C: drive" and "D:
>>drive" setup info rather than "drive 1" and "drive 2" like most others
>>I've seen. Could this be confusing things?
>
>>So, I need HELP! The drive came bereft of any docs, except for some
>>info for the CMOS setup; the controller has a little piece of paper
>>about the size of an index card; I cannibalized the cable (it's one
>>of those with a connector at each end and the one in the middle, so
>>it looks like a serial connection); now I be lost!
>
>>Many, many thanks in advance! This is practically an emergency (I have
>>two papers to do on this thing for Monday!)! Help!
>>--
>>-----------------------
>>William Barnes SURAnet Operations
>>wbarnes@sura.net (301) 982-4600 voice (301) 982-4605 fax
>>Disclaimer: I don't speak for SURAnet and they don't speak for me.
>I've been told by our local computer guru that you can't do this unless you
>perform a low level format on your existing hard drive and set your system
>up for two hard drives from the beginning. I took him at his word, and I
>have not tried to find out any more about it, because I'm not going to back
>everything up just to add another HDD. If anyone knows for sure what the
>scoop is, I would like to know also. Thanks in advance also.
>
>Bill Willis
>
If you bought your IDE drive from a dealer, you shouldn 't have to
perform a low level format. Even if the 1st HD is already partitioned
into C and D, FDISK will automatically assign the 2 nd HD to D and
change the 2nd partition of 1st drive to E.
Check the jumper settings and CMOS setup, in particular the correct
number of cylinders and tracks
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