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JustinXenyx#8854: GTS450s are weird like that, there are even ones with 4GB DDR3
SuSSudio#2688: wtf
JustinXenyx#8854: Also, i think back in the day VRAM amount wasn't as important
SuSSudio#2688: Well yeah but i was just making sure if its legit & not some modded unit
SuSSudio#2688: Hmm... the seller could mistook 1GB gts 450 as 512mb ftw
Francesco99#6938: @JustinXenyx I use the the High performance settimgs for PowerDVD, but they didin't work.
thatubuntuguy#5914: that's wack
thatubuntuguy#5914: i knew there was a 1gb variant
thatubuntuguy#5914: because i had one
thatubuntuguy#5914: there was also a 2gb gddr5 variant iirc
thatubuntuguy#5914: but not 512mb
SuSSudio#2688: Indeed its confusing
SuSSudio#2688: you know much someone would charge the 1GB variant here?
SuSSudio#2688: US$30.8
SuSSudio#2688: Whereas that '512mb' variant only goes US$18 |
IRON MAIDEN#4184: Gts450 512 vs my 9800GTX + 512 lol?
JustinXenyx#8854: Your 9800GTX+ will get wrecked lol
SuSSudio#2688: ^
SuSSudio#2688: not much better than gts 250, but def crush 98gtx+
JustinXenyx#8854: GTS250 = 9800GTX+ @SuSSudio
thatubuntuguy#5914: I bought mine for £12 kept it for a year and sold it for £20
SuSSudio#2688: ayy nice profit
thatubuntuguy#5914: Indeed
SuSSudio#2688: 1GB?
thatubuntuguy#5914: Yup
thatubuntuguy#5914: Palit
thatubuntuguy#5914: 1gb
SuSSudio#2688: Is there any difference to safety between single 6 pin to dual-6 pin adapter & dual molex to 6 pin adapter?
IRON MAIDEN#4184: use 2 molex to 1 6pin i wouldnt split a 6pin
SuSSudio#2688: because single 6 > dual 6 sounds more handy to me |
SuSSudio#2688: alright
IRON MAIDEN#4184: depending on card ur using it wont matter tho
SuSSudio#2688: i'll be using a GTX 260
SuSSudio#2688: 2x6 pin
IRON MAIDEN#4184: i think ud be fine
IRON MAIDEN#4184: 260 aint a power monger if i remember correctly
SuSSudio#2688: 182W tdp
SuSSudio#2688: bigass card tho, about few inches longer than 9800gt
IRON MAIDEN#4184: im bout to get a 260 for 7.50
SuSSudio#2688: Same, except it's us$19.5 over here
IRON MAIDEN#4184: 7.50 USD
IRON MAIDEN#4184: found a guy a few minutes away im buyin 2 cards for 7.50 each and a I5 540 for 5$
SuSSudio#2688: nice
IRON MAIDEN#4184: other card i think is a 5750
IRON MAIDEN#4184: saphire 1gb model |
IRON MAIDEN#4184: probably will work great in my C2D pc
IRON MAIDEN#4184: instead of my GTX 285
IRON MAIDEN#4184: maybe not idk
SuSSudio#2688: considering age of ur c2d, i guess both will be somewhat overkill for such cpu
IRON MAIDEN#4184: im getting a C2Q Q6600 @SuSSudio
SuSSudio#2688: shouldn't be bad
IRON MAIDEN#4184: i actually manage to play some more modern games
IRON MAIDEN#4184: at fair fps
IRON MAIDEN#4184: its my basement PC
IRON MAIDEN#4184: for when im soldering and need to look stuff up or burn a CD
SuSSudio#2688: mm good use
IRON MAIDEN#4184: well it was my main till Dec 12 after 13 years of service
IRON MAIDEN#4184: xD
SuSSudio#2688: yeah you've jumped aboard ryzen wagon by then
SuSSudio#2688: :Hahaha: |
IRON MAIDEN#4184: now iv got that 3700X
Lady Mipha#0611: :OmegaLUL:
IRON MAIDEN#4184: xD
Jam#0384: 3700X is just that compelling
Jam#0384: It wasn't that long ago I was on Phenom X3
Jam#0384: and Mobile Core 2 Duo
IRON MAIDEN#4184: Lol did u onlock 4th hidden core?
Jam#0384: Its not one of those
Jam#0384: And its only like 2.4GHz on a shit tier motherboard
thatubuntuguy#5914: I used my palit card dual molex to six pin
thatubuntuguy#5914: Never blew up
Artem Ganeric#0421: my brother tried to install new ram and his PC wont turn on
jay1185#0112: @Artem Ganeric let's move that to here
Artem Ganeric#0421: aight
Artem Ganeric#0421: nah idk how to reset bios A320S2HV2 |
jay1185#0112: what brand mobo, that didn't give me any info on google lol
Artem Ganeric#0421: gigabyte
Artem Ganeric#0421: gigabyte version F1 bios
Artem Ganeric#0421: @jay1185 he got it wrong its GA-A320M-S2H V2
jay1185#0112: i'm back sorry had to switch computers
jay1185#0112: still recovering from surgery, hard to move around lol
Artem Ganeric#0421: its chill
jay1185#0112: @Artem Ganeric Curious, when you changed the RAM the first time, did you unhook ALL of the wires to the computer and possibly put the video back into the onboard? (if he has a graphics card)
Artem Ganeric#0421: i wasnt there ill ask
Artem Ganeric#0421: nah he didnt
jay1185#0112: ok just clearing that step lol.
jay1185#0112: that's kinda weird.
jay1185#0112: ok here's a pic of the CMOS reset, which is the BIOS reset
jay1185#0112: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/659863321813712897/example.PNG
jay1185#0112: with the computer off and unplugged, he needs to touch the 2 lower pins together with a tiny screwdriver if he has one |
Artem Ganeric#0421: and thatll reset bios?
jay1185#0112: it's supposed to, according to the manual from the site lol
jay1185#0112: i thought you'd have to put a jumper on it and turn it on, but, that's what the manual says
Artem Ganeric#0421: ill try that now
jay1185#0112: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/659863850753196032/example2.PNG
jay1185#0112: i assume if you had a jumper from somethign else you could stick i on there for a few seconds
Artem Ganeric#0421: ill brb then
Alcyone#2233: if you dont have a tool. unplug as above then just take the battery out and hit the power button a few times, pop the batt back in and cmos will be reset
jay1185#0112: i was wondering if that would work with that board
jay1185#0112: most boards with batteries work like that i suppose lol
Alcyone#2233: yee
jay1185#0112: i'm a derp i guess all boards have batteries. i'm tired derp
Alcyone#2233: really old boards can have soldered batteries. pre coin cell there was dallas battery and other shits.
Alcyone#2233: I have a 1995 mobo, somehow the cmos battery is still working and doesnt leak
jay1185#0112: damn |
Artem Ganeric#0421: what 2 pins am i touvhing together?
Alcyone#2233: clr cmos
Artem Ganeric#0421: ty
Artem Ganeric#0421: and just to check by touch you do mean like physically move them rihgt
Artem Ganeric#0421: @Alcyone @jay1185
Alcyone#2233: it should be exposed pins or pads. you just short them with something metal, you dont want to bend them if they are pins.
Artem Ganeric#0421: so just like put the screw driver accross them to short it ?
JustinXenyx#8854: correct
Artem Ganeric#0421: ok thanks
jay1185#0112: sorry my attention span is super short lol
jay1185#0112: keep forgetting to switch Discord channels
Artem Ganeric#0421: yeah its chill man
Artem Ganeric#0421: i just did that
Artem Ganeric#0421: i turned it back on nothings happening
Artem Ganeric#0421: nothings chanegd |
Artem Ganeric#0421: @jay1185
Alcyone#2233: make sure you seated the memory all the way
Artem Ganeric#0421: wdym?
Alcyone#2233: ram sticks fully inserted into the mem slots
Artem Ganeric#0421: yeah they are
Alcyone#2233: take them out and reseat. make sure they are all the way in and the clips have locked
take out the cmos battery. If those dont work try putting the old mem back in. if that doesnt post something got damaged
Artem Ganeric#0421: ok ill try tomorrow
Deleted User#0000: I just discovered something. My GPU makes high pitch sound when gaming
hotmale420360#3948: coil whine?
Jam#0384: Likely coil whine
Jam#0384: common on high end cards
Jam#0384: not a sign of death, its healthy
Jam#0384: Just annoying
hotmale420360#3948: The power supply can affect it |
Deleted User#0000: Then why does my gpu hang a lot
Deleted User#0000: people say it's dying but i'm skeptical of that
JadeWasTaken#6479: does anyone have a recommendation for a free piece of software that would let me use my laptop screen as a second screen form my pc, i am using space desk at the moment but it doesn't really work that well.
tdp2612#3835: Uhhhhh
tdp2612#3835: I didnt know that was a thing
Deleted User#0000: tdp
TheGeekster#8508: I think there's been several attempts at software over the years to do that, and it can *kinda* do it, but streaming the entire screen over wifi long term? Wouldn't be the nciest experience, it would only really be suitable for documents
Deleted User#0000: New issue. My gpu is not detecting my 1080p monitor and in device manager is says *Windows has stopped this device because it has reported problems. (Code 43)*
TheGeekster#8508: Have you installed the latest driver for that card? what card is it? @Deleted User From googling, and from the issues you're saying, it's either driver related crashing, or he gpu is on its last legs
Deleted User#0000: Yes
Deleted User#0000: gtx 650ti boost
Deleted User#0000: So after uninstalling drivers the issue fixed itself
Deleted User#0000: both monitors are working
Deleted User#0000: But that doesn't solve the gpu hang that i keep talking about
TheGeekster#8508: is it during any specific game? or any stress? |
TheGeekster#8508: if it keeps it up, it might honestly make more sense to replace it
TheGeekster#8508: gtx 960's are pretty damn cheap and would be a good upgrade over it, depending on the rest of the system ofc
SuSSudio#2688: Could be signs to multiple components failure
SuSSudio#2688: it's not worth to replace them, just grab a new card & call it a day
JustinXenyx#8854: Like i was saying the last 3 times, your GPU is dying @Deleted User
JustinXenyx#8854: @TheGeekster He has had other issues before this indicating soon-ish GPU failure
TheGeekster#8508: ohhhh, yeah fucked gpu then, like a 960 is about £20-£30 now on ebay
tdp2612#3835: Ye or spend a bit more and get a 4gb, probably not worth it though if its just temporary
DUBBz#4903: Can anyone help me solve my issue with kernel-power 41 (63)?
DUBBz#4903: I’ve looked all over online and nothing has worked
TheFifthAce#4128: are you using a 40w+ gpu on a 35w limited pcie lane
TheFifthAce#4128: are you using a GPU that overloads the 12v rail
mi³nshel#9774: is there a way to filter search for user made files?
like for example i wanna search windows for all txt files that i personally made
DUBBz#4903: @TheFifthAce I think I figured it out, OS issue |
jay1185#0112: Sitting here looking at mid tower cases under $40. Any suggestions, anyone? Must be able to take an ATX motherboard. 30.5cm (12in) x 24.4cm (9.6in).
Jam#0384: My suggestion is to spend $60 and prosper
Jam#0384: Lots of solid options at $60 but at $40 you get shit tier ATX and maybe a couple good MATX
jay1185#0112: hmmmm. expanding search parameters
Memecube#2037: I'm a bit confused. Does the AMD A8-5500b have 4 cores and 4 threads or 2 cores and 4 threads?
Memecube#2037: Task manager shows it as 2 cores and 4 threads, CPU-Z shows it as 4 cores and 4 threads, many sites also show it as 4 cores except one that said 2 physical cores and 4 threads
hotmale420360#3948: 4c4t
Memecube#2037: I guess I have to check something on the bios to activate the other two cores, right?
JustinXenyx#8854: Bullshit @hotmale420360
JustinXenyx#8854: @Memecube Let me explain
JustinXenyx#8854: It is somewhat complicated, so i will simplify it
Memecube#2037: h y p e r t h r e a d i n g ?
hotmale420360#3948: its weird amd shit lol
JustinXenyx#8854: There are 4 cores, they're not regular cores though
JustinXenyx#8854: They're "compute cores" and every module has 2 "compute cores" |
JustinXenyx#8854: Which explains the "2c4t" thing you see in most spec programs
JustinXenyx#8854: And those compute cores share resources with one another, making them essentially act like 1 core which makes the "2c4t" thing incorrect again
JustinXenyx#8854: This is what one of those modules looks like https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/660914804923564046/AMD_Bulldozer_block_diagram_28CPU_core_block29.png
Memecube#2037: Performance wise will they act similarly to 4 cores?
JustinXenyx#8854: No, closer to 2 cores
JustinXenyx#8854: Which is why, for example, i saw some major issues on GTA V with an A8 6600k, issues that only really appear on dual core rigs
Memecube#2037: damn
Alcyone#2233: its 4c 2t
tdp2612#3835: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/660929600234192896/unknown.png
hotmale420360#3948: Its 0 cuda cores
Alcyone#2233: jokes aside its the shared fpu that wrecks it, games use a lot of floating point maths and it causes pipeline stalls. thats why FX gets those big framerate dips
Tinybox#9112: I5 3350p for 12 euro or I5 2500 for 15
TheGeekster#8508: technically the 2500 @Tinybox but like, why at this point?
Tinybox#9112: @TheGeekster
Just for a quick cheap upgrade to a pc that will be used for browsing etc |
Tinybox#9112: specs won't be impressive either
HD 6870
that i5
8gb of ram
A 128gb ssd
500gb hdd, that ill prob steal from an external hdd to get low hours.
Tinybox#9112: the psu is some shitty lc power, so im tryna be a bit careful
JustinXenyx#8854: I wouldn't even use the 6870 is the PSU is "some shitty lc power"
Tinybox#9112: @JustinXenyx
aight ill wait around then, for something more efficent
Tinybox#9112: Also there isn't much of a difference between the I5 3350p and the 2500 in terms of power consumption ay?
Tinybox#9112: *on average
Tinybox#9112: The 12v on this lcpower is only 18amps btw
TheGeekster#8508: external hard drives are the worst place to get drives too btw, they get banged about and are the least reliable, power on hours doesn't mean anything, it's how it's been treated
TheGeekster#8508: tbh i'd just get a cheap larger ssd |
Tinybox#9112: @TheGeekster can do.
Ill aim for a single 480gb then
Tinybox#9112: Nvm the 12v is 15amp
Tinybox#9112: damn I should prob take a look around see if any psus I have around are better
Tinybox#9112: this reminds me though I should prob put another vibration dampener on this hdd
Alcyone#2233: tdp of a 6870 is near the 12v output of that psu
thatubuntuguy#5914: Can affirm, my 1tb HDD which I used for my cardboard box pc was from an external HDD, failed horribly in months
Galilool#3398: Nothing more delightful thatn a random blackscreen. Conputer didn't want to shut off, had to hold the power button down for a few seconds to force a shutdown.
jay1185#0112: gotta love computers. mind of their own!
Galilool#3398: Now I'd need to update my graphics driver but that won't work because our internet had a COMPLETE FUCKING MELTDOWN! FUCK GERMAN INTERNET FUCK THE TELEKOM AND THEIR FUCKING MONOPOLY THOSE BASTARD CAPITALISTS!
Galilool#3398: I fucking hate living here for this very reason
jay1185#0112: feel better?
Galilool#3398: little bit
jay1185#0112: that sucks about your internet
Galilool#3398: Writing in capslock still doesn't update my drivers tho |
jay1185#0112: so how are you posting on discord?
Galilool#3398: Hotspot from my phone
Galilool#3398: 56k, hold my beer
jay1185#0112: ah lol derp i should've thought about the multiple ways we can do internet these days lol
Galilool#3398: but 56k will definitely NOT update my drivers either
Galilool#3398: fml
Galilool#3398: O connected to my router again. Apparently I have 13 Mbits upload, which is about third of my normal rate, but my drivers still won't update. Maybe the ATI program is just garbage
Galilool#3398: Stuck like this for ten minutes now https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/661554208201506818/Screenshot_82.png
thatubuntuguy#5914: Maybe ddu and reinstall later version ?
Deleted User#0000: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/661652059195441172/unknown.png
Deleted User#0000: what is wrong with my wireless adapter
Deleted User#0000: this is pinging to my router
Alcyone#2233: if you dont have a navi, dont install 2020 drivers yet
Deleted User#0000: I have a samsung galaxy s7 stuck in a boot loop after it updated a few weeks ago
tdp2612#3835: Let it die |
tdp2612#3835: Make sure theres not a button stuck down
JustinXenyx#8854: @Deleted User Power button + volume down + home button
JustinXenyx#8854: Simulates a battery pull
JustinXenyx#8854: I'd figure, during the update something corrupted, bricking Android
JustinXenyx#8854: Do you have recovery software like TWRP on your phone?
Deleted User#0000: No
Deleted User#0000: Download mode doesn't work either
JustinXenyx#8854: Well, in either case we'll have to flash Android back on it
JustinXenyx#8854: Your data will be gone, because it does a clean flash iirc
Deleted User#0000: How do you flash it?
JustinXenyx#8854: https://android.gadgethacks.com/how-to/use-odin-flash-samsung-galaxy-stock-firmware-0182037/
JustinXenyx#8854: This is basically what you have to do
Deleted User#0000: The phone resets not long after putting it into download mode
JustinXenyx#8854: You don't need download mode yet
JustinXenyx#8854: Just follow the guide and everything should work out |
Deleted User#0000: Step 5: Put Your Phone in Download Mode & Connect to PC
JustinXenyx#8854: You nabbed the Galaxy USB drivers yet?
JustinXenyx#8854: https://developer.samsung.com/galaxy/others/android-usb-driver-for-windows
Deleted User#0000: Actually is there a way to do it without resetting it?
Deleted User#0000: Because I have a lot of important stuff that I don't want to lose
JustinXenyx#8854: If you install TWRP you could probably back up a lot of files, because TWRP makes the device readable as a USB storage device
DarknessFalls229#2286: Justin, how much is a titan Z worth?
JustinXenyx#8854: You could flash a custom rom aswell lol
JustinXenyx#8854: Titan Z is dual Titan Black, right? @DarknessFalls229
DarknessFalls229#2286: i guess?
JustinXenyx#8854: I'd figure 200€ to a person who is willing to pay
JustinXenyx#8854: Because SLI meme and it gets clapped my Polaris etc
DarknessFalls229#2286: cause i found one with a bid of 145 until now
DarknessFalls229#2286: and you know how i am with dual GPU cards
JustinXenyx#8854: Yeah lol |
JustinXenyx#8854: Also, you gonna test your working 690 on Ryzen?
DarknessFalls229#2286: well, since my ryzen is in my main system, probably not
DarknessFalls229#2286: i think in the future im gonna sell my 8350 in a budget game pc and maybe get a proper testbench
DarknessFalls229#2286: cause i need to sell my i7 3770 too
JustinXenyx#8854: https://twrp.me/samsung/samsunggalaxys7.html @Deleted User If you install this then the device can be mounted as a USB storage, meaning you should be able to recover your files
JustinXenyx#8854: https://twrp.me/samsung/samsunggalaxys7china.html
Deleted User#0000: I'll try this tomorrow
DarknessFalls229#2286: what do you think would make a nice and cheap testbench?
DarknessFalls229#2286: z68? x58?
JustinXenyx#8854: @DarknessFalls229 Ryzen 1200 + A320 board lol
Deleted User#0000: By the way justin, I somehow fixed my gpu hang issue
DarknessFalls229#2286: with SLI and OC support?
JustinXenyx#8854: X58 is overpriced, Z68 is a bitch to buy
JustinXenyx#8854: Uh, SLI and OC support is gonna be tough
DarknessFalls229#2286: i mean i wanna do fun things with a testbench |
JustinXenyx#8854: @Deleted User Oh nice, how'd you do it?
DarknessFalls229#2286: perhaps X79?
DarknessFalls229#2286: maybe one of those chinese chipset ones with a xeon?
Deleted User#0000: I'm not quite sure if that was the issue but I used ddu to uninstall intel drivers
Deleted User#0000: And the issue seem to stop
JustinXenyx#8854: the cheaper LGA2011 boards are not X79 and very doubtful about their SLI compatability @DarknessFalls229
DarknessFalls229#2286: thats true
DarknessFalls229#2286: those weird boards are sketch
JustinXenyx#8854: The Intel drivers were probably fucking with the Nvidia card then, never really a good thing to have multiple drivers on your PC @Deleted User
DarknessFalls229#2286: in terms on SLI, OC and more
Deleted User#0000: I didn't even know I had intel drivers installed
JustinXenyx#8854: I bet Windows installed them in the background at some point
Lady Mipha#0611: ^
Deleted User#0000: I think this ssd was in a laptop that had intel graphics
FuckinReece#0021: you guys think a 500w psu is powerful enough to support a 2700 |
tdp2612#3835: yeah
tdp2612#3835: should be plenty
tdp2612#3835: as long as its not an ebay special no name chinese thing
JustinXenyx#8854: @FuckinReece What are the entire rigs specs?
JustinXenyx#8854: GPU etc matters for power consumption
FuckinReece#0021: 560
b450
8gigs of ddr4
and an antec 500w
and the 2700
JustinXenyx#8854: Why a 2700 but only a 560?
tdp2612#3835: should be fine
JustinXenyx#8854: A 570 isn't that much more
FuckinReece#0021: rx 560
JustinXenyx#8854: But yeah, the PSU should work out fine |
tdp2612#3835: yeah still notmuch of a acrd
FuckinReece#0021: also its my friends and he is upgrading his old rig
FuckinReece#0021: i gave it to him almost a year ago and his cpu is falling behind more
JustinXenyx#8854: Oh, so it's a Rig upgraded with left over parts situation? Alright then, i get that
FuckinReece#0021: yeah
FuckinReece#0021: im telling him to get a new gpu
FuckinReece#0021: but he is gonna do it this summer
FuckinReece#0021: what do you think he should get in that case
JustinXenyx#8854: Right now i'd say 1660 Super if the budget is right
JustinXenyx#8854: If it's under 100 USD etc and he can go used them a 570/580 will do him wonders
JustinXenyx#8854: But we can't predict hardware releases, so it'd be best if you considered upgrade options when the time/money is there
Deleted User#0000: @JustinXenyx Nevermind I take back what I said
Deleted User#0000: I just got hit with gpu problems
JustinXenyx#8854: big F
Doughnut#6547: can someone help me with android device manager? |
Doughnut#6547: im supposed to have 2 devices on there but i can only see
Doughnut#6547: one
Doughnut#6547: and i can't seem to find a list of any sort
Bertie Kemp#1114: Hey, my laptop keeps blue screening after playing any 3d game for more than 10 mins, ive got the MSI GS63 Stealth 8RE, and i keep getting blue screens from DPC watchdog violation to video schedule internal error...
Bertie Kemp#1114: i have reinstalled windows, got all the latest drivers but it just keeps crashing to a blue screen, any help would be appreciated
TheGeekster#8508: https://www.msi.com/Laptop/support/GS63-Stealth-8RE#down-driver&Win10%2064 @Bertie Kemp I'd suggest trying these manufacturer drivers
TheGeekster#8508: may contain tweaks
Bertie Kemp#1114: yeah tried them, no luck either
Jam#0384: @DarknessFalls229 So my haul includes: GTX 480, Radeon 9800XT Sapphire, Matrox Parhelia, Voodoo 1, GeForce 4 Ti 4800SE, and possibly an X850XT AGP and 9800 GTX+
Jam#0384: Also a Corsair 750W PSU
DarknessFalls229#2286: whew thats a lotta stuff
Jam#0384: Yes
DarknessFalls229#2286: did you get it from iron
Jam#0384: No
Jam#0384: Iron doesnt have stuff like that |
Jam#0384: I’m getting other things from Iron though
DarknessFalls229#2286: what you gonna do with it? gonna do some benchmarkin?
Jam#0384: Yes and gamin
Jam#0384: I’m getting a Pentium III system, DDR1, and Intel i740 GPU from Iron
DarknessFalls229#2286: also nice
DarknessFalls229#2286: seems you and iron are getting a lot of stuff lately
Jam#0384: Also Besides all the stuff i listed I’m getting a GeForce 6800 AGP, RIVA 128 V330 (Nvidia second card) Pentium Overdrive
DarknessFalls229#2286: nice, a 6800, to bad no ultra
Jam#0384: and my Core 2 Extreme system and X1950 Pro
Jam#0384: I have already
Jam#0384: I’m actuallt watching a 6800 Ultra on eBay but its an auction with 3 more days will probably exceed $100
Jam#0384: So big no from me, dont want it that badly
DarknessFalls229#2286: Have you also seen this? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/662407559625572353/20200102_185150.jpg
DarknessFalls229#2286: the _look_ of it is amazing
Jam#0384: Its hot |
Jam#0384: Your thing?
DarknessFalls229#2286: yes, it mine
Jam#0384: Hot hot
DarknessFalls229#2286: im missiing a lot of stuff though
DarknessFalls229#2286: like 1. Those 690s dont work
2. i have absolutely no watercooling gear
3. it only has 4GBs of ram
etc. etc
Jam#0384: Yikes! My QX rig has 8GB
DarknessFalls229#2286: well, this thing can fit 32
Jam#0384: Mine can do 16 but 4GB ddr2 dimms are not exactly common
DarknessFalls229#2286: FBDIMMs: has high capacity but runs so hot it actually has a heatpipe
Jam#0384: 2GB is already a lot
Deleted User#0000: I have a question, I wanna upgrade my CPU, but since it's somewhat old (4460s) I'd have to also get a brand new mobo plus new RAM since what I have is DDR3, not 4
Deleted User#0000: Now I was wondering, how do I know if the mobo I'm gonna buy will be compatible with the cables, like if there's enough outputs (or inlets, whatever you call these things you basically connect the cables though in the motherboard) |
Jam#0384: Most cables are pretty standardized so I don’t know what you’re talking about
Jam#0384: Motherboards have been using most of the same connectors for 17-20 years
Deleted User#0000: Oh, so I shouldn't worry about it
Jam#0384: No, not really
Jam#0384: A power supply made now will work with many computers from 1998
Deleted User#0000: What?!
Jam#0384: and so will a PC case
Deleted User#0000: Okay now that you put it that way, now I understand it
Jam#0384: It’s pretty standardized
Jam#0384: You’ll only really have more new ports, if anything
Jam#0384: Hell not much has really changed between 2013-2014 and now
Jam#0384: Just performance gains
Jam#0384: For example, PCIe 1.0 came out in 2004 @Deleted User
Jam#0384: And EPS connectors were on motherboards from 2000.
Deleted User#0000: I see |
Jam#0384: I have a motherboard from 1996 with PCI (non express) slots
Jam#0384: Hell, SATA is from like 2002
Deleted User#0000: I don't wanna sound retarded but..
Deleted User#0000: What exactly is EPS, PCI and SATA?
Deleted User#0000: I tried googling but even then I don't understand it thouh
Jam#0384: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/662560441217843209/pci-express-1.png
Deleted User#0000: Oh
Deleted User#0000: Wait that's where you put cards right?
Deleted User#0000: Like a graphic card for example
Jam#0384: No
Jam#0384: Not anymore
Jam#0384: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/662560609082146816/pcie.png
Jam#0384: You use PCIe for that
JustinXenyx#8854: Not newer ones, PCI is an outdated standard that has been superseded by PCI-E
Jam#0384: PCI has been superseded twice as the ideal graphics port |
Jam#0384: But has had releases
Deleted User#0000: Quite interesting
Deleted User#0000: I mean I never knew about this, except the general stuff about computers
Jam#0384: EPS is like AUX power for your motherboard (for your CPU)
Jam#0384: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/662560968747909128/eps.png
Jam#0384: Sometimes its like half of that on older or weaker motherboards
Jam#0384: SATA is for harddrives and SATA SSDs
Deleted User#0000: Alright
Jam#0384: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/662561243411906570/idesata.png
Jam#0384: Serial ATA
Jam#0384: Like I said, lots of these things have been standardized and used for a very long time
Jam#0384: And the new features won't really make your computer incompatible unless it's very old
Jam#0384: Aside from the obvious
Jam#0384: DDR3 won't work with a DDR4 DIMM Slot, etc
Deleted User#0000: Yea, I'll be definetly getting a DDR4 when I will replace my CPU |
SuSSudio#2688: SATA III SSDs will work on SATA II interface which found in most 2006-2009 motherboards
Jam#0384: ^
Jam#0384: Most things are also backwards compatible to some degree, with a performance loss in some cases
JustinXenyx#8854: With standardization comes easy backwards and forwards compatibility, which why i could for example use a graphics card from 2005 that has PCI-E 1.0 in my 2019 Ryzen Computer that has PCI-E 3.0 or a RTX2080Ti with a Core 2 Duo PC from 2007
Jam#0384: Basically unless your computer is from 2003 or older there should be few incompatibilites with things other than the platform in general. Some things from 1998-2003 will work in a modern system though as well.
Deleted User#0000: And I thought everything in computers has high chances of incompatibility, but guess I was wrong **very** ~~well if we are talking about this stuff~~
Jam#0384: However I will note, it's always a good idea to be running a good quality power supply with new, powerful components so it may be worth replacing even though yours may work
JustinXenyx#8854: If computers weren't so standardized now i think my job as a PC builder would be MUCH harder
Deleted User#0000: And to just imagine if it wasn't
Deleted User#0000: I got a new power supply when I upgraded my graphics card so all should be good
Jam#0384: What brand/wattage
Deleted User#0000: Well, I think it was 450W
Deleted User#0000: Though I don't remember the brand, I can't really open up my pc to check right now
Jam#0384: Yeah, that might not cut it depending one what you get
Deleted User#0000: But I think it was something general, like Corsair |
Jam#0384: Corsair is usually good, but if you bought a VS450 I would replace that tbh
Deleted User#0000: Wait, maybe I can find a paper that says what I got brb
Jam#0384: A solid midrange PC would be ideal with 500-600W
Jam#0384: 80+ Bronze or higher
Jam#0384: However, it really depends on what you're planning on upgrading to
Deleted User#0000: Yea found it
Deleted User#0000: It's a cooler master 450W 80+
Deleted User#0000: It costed like 57 dollars
Deleted User#0000: That being said, I converted the currency of my country into dollars to check the price of it in dollars, if that matters as well
SuSSudio#2688: Cooler Master MWE 450?
Deleted User#0000: Not entirely sure, it doesn't say it
Deleted User#0000: I'll definetly check in a few hours when I have the time though
Deleted User#0000: But if it does turn out to be a MWE, is it bad?
SuSSudio#2688: it's ok
SuSSudio#2688: not one of the great 80+ psu, but it'll do fine in mid-entry level systems |
JustinXenyx#8854: Thanks for mentioning currency conversion, happens way to often that we try to help a person with PC parts but they never even cared to mention that they don't live in the US and converted their currency into USD
Deleted User#0000: Yea, sounds fair then, at least I can still run a game I specificly upgraded to run it
Deleted User#0000: Which is Squad, I'm still surprised it runs it at almost maximum settings
Jam#0384: Do you happen to know what graphics card you use
Deleted User#0000: No problem! I just now also found out how comparing the prices from the parts I wanna buy locally/ebay/amazon and I'm very surprised seeing that Amazon was waaaaay cheaper to get stuff from not like Ebay
Deleted User#0000: Yea, it's a RX 570 8GB Pulse
Deleted User#0000: It's not the best, but it's enough for me
Jam#0384: That’s actually pretty good.
Deleted User#0000: *oh*
Jam#0384: I mean It’s not super high end, but it’s capable and good value
Jam#0384: You run 8GB DDR3 and a 4th Gen i5?
Deleted User#0000: Yea, I mainly said that because lately I saw people saying like if you wanna upgrade or buy a graphics card or pc, go for the super high end, which is kinda weird
Deleted User#0000: Yea, how did you know?
Jam#0384: i assumed
Deleted User#0000: 2x4 8GB DDR3 with a i5 4460s |
Jam#0384: Well Honestly, Your system is holding back the RX 570
Jam#0384: So when you upgrade you should actually get a bit more performance out of it
Deleted User#0000: Yea I felt like the 4460s is having a bit of rough time with the RX
Jam#0384: I would recommend a Ryzen 5 processor, any of them that have 6 cores are pretty good
Jam#0384: 1600/2600/3600/X variant
Deleted User#0000: I was intending to get a i3 9100f or a Ryzen 3200G
Deleted User#0000: But I think I can get a 1600
Jam#0384: Do not get the i3
Jam#0384: I would avoid intel at all costs on the low end currently
JustinXenyx#8854: I really would stay away from Intel, most of their stuff is currently way overpriced compared to what AMD offers with their Ryzen chips @Deleted User
SuSSudio#2688: get the R5 1600AF, the 12nm Zen+ variant of the regular 1600
Jam#0384: I would get the 1600AF if possible ^
Deleted User#0000: Never heard of an AF variant
Jam#0384: It’s something like under $100 USD and is basically a R5 2600
JustinXenyx#8854: Why don't we call it what it actually is, an R5 2600? |
Deleted User#0000: What exactly is the difference between a 12nm Zen+ to a 1600?
JustinXenyx#8854: @Deleted User It's an R5 2600 rebranded to 1600
Deleted User#0000: oooo
Jam#0384: for cheap
Deleted User#0000: Well I found a R5 1600 for 85 dollars
Deleted User#0000: I'll check for the AF
SuSSudio#2688: yeah but R5 2600 is still going for more bucks
Jam#0384: That’s a fine price if you cant get the AF
Deleted User#0000: Weirdly enough I can't find a AF on Amazon
Jam#0384: The 1600 will do good, and make sure to get a B450 motherboard (preferably with 4 RAM slots) and if you do so you can probably get a Ryzen 3600 or 3700X in the future and it would work fine
Jam#0384: also, with DDR4 I would target 3000MHz or higher speed memory, and dual channel so two sticks
Jam#0384: 2x4GB would be better than 1x8GB
Deleted User#0000: Yea I heard dual channel is far more better than single channel
Jam#0384: But 16GB would be ideal
Deleted User#0000: And especially with APUs |
JustinXenyx#8854: For me (Germany) the 1600AF popped up under a new listing on Amazon where i had to look for the products model number where i saw the difference
Jam#0384: What you heard is correct
JustinXenyx#8854: YD1600BBAFBOX is the model number you need to be looking for
Deleted User#0000: Oh!
JustinXenyx#8854: YD1600BBAEBOX is the original 1600
Deleted User#0000: YD1600BBAFBOX
Deleted User#0000: Oh yea it is
Deleted User#0000: It is the AF
Deleted User#0000: An AF for 85 dollars
Jam#0384: I would buy that
Jam#0384: Its like 0-1fps less than an R5 2600
Deleted User#0000: Nice
Jam#0384: for half the price
Deleted User#0000: Well, I'll definetly get it this month
Deleted User#0000: The seller is named AMD Authorized Reseller |
Deleted User#0000: So that sounds hopeful
Jam#0384: Something i should ask
Deleted User#0000: Yes?
Jam#0384: Do you know if your motherboard is ATX or mATX
Deleted User#0000: I'll check
Jam#0384: There is a chance your PC case is actually using a proprietary motherboard so you’d want to make sure it isnt if you have a prebuilt
Jam#0384: That is something DELL likes to do but other brands do so to
Deleted User#0000: Micro ATX it is
Deleted User#0000: The motherboard I have now is H81M-S1
Jam#0384: That’s fine. mATX is typically cheaper anyways
Deleted User#0000: Yea, I wanna go a bit budget on this one, since any upgrade would be obviously better
Jam#0384: Just try to get a B450 Motherboard with 4 RAM slots
Jam#0384: B450 is good value
Deleted User#0000: Small question, why 4 RAM slots exactly instead of 2?
Deleted User#0000: Oh wait isn't it because 4 RAM slots is where you can put 2 RAM? |
Jam#0384: because lets say you can only fit 2x4GB
Deleted User#0000: And 2 RAM slots you can only put one?
SuSSudio#2688: essentially allows you to put more capacity than with 2
Jam#0384: If you have 2 4GB sticks but want to upgrade to 16GB you would have to completely replace what you have
Jam#0384: But if you have four slots you can just buy more and add it in
SuSSudio#2688: for example with 4 slots you can install 4x8GB RAM into the board whereas with 2 slots you can only put 2x8GB RAM in the slot altogether
Deleted User#0000: Oh
Jam#0384: So 4 would be ideal
Deleted User#0000: Thinking about it, I'll probably want to get 4x8GB RAM in the future*
Jam#0384: No
Jam#0384: Just get 2x8 for now
Deleted User#0000: Forgot to add in the future, sorry about that
Deleted User#0000: I mean, once games get really demanding
SuSSudio#2688: that'll add up to 32GB of DDR4 total capacity
Jam#0384: You’ll want to replace your Ryzen and Radeon way before you need 32GB ram |
Jam#0384: tbh
Deleted User#0000: oh
Jam#0384: I’ve been using 16GB ram since 2015
Deleted User#0000: Also you said something about getting a certain mobo so in the future you can replace it with other Ryzens
Jam#0384: Yes
Deleted User#0000: What was it?
Jam#0384: Get a B450 Chipset
Deleted User#0000: Oh that
Jam#0384: Preferably something with Ryzen 3000 Ready on it
Deleted User#0000: Wait, it doesn't matter the ATX factor of the B450?
Deleted User#0000: Like if you wanna upgrade to a more powerful cpu?
Jam#0384: Not usually, no
Jam#0384: In your case no
Deleted User#0000: Oh cool, the R5 1600 that I wanted to get can't be shipped to my country
Deleted User#0000: rip |
Jam#0384: A half decent B450 motherboard could run a Ryzen 9 3900X
SuSSudio#2688: ITX, mATX, ATX, or eATX is just the surface size of a motherboard
Jam#0384: Sometimes smaller size comes with worse VRMs though
Jam#0384: So it can affect overclock performance
SuSSudio#2688: the bigger it gets, the more interfaces you can fit within, such as PCI-E slots, M.2 slots (for NVme SSDs)
Jam#0384: But thats mostly IT
Jam#0384: Itx
Deleted User#0000: Should keep that in mind
Jam#0384: Anyways, an MATX B450 with Ryzen 3000 support can probably get you all the way to a Ryzen 9 3900X (12 core cpu)
Jam#0384: 3950X, probably not tbh
Jam#0384: But it would work just I wouldnt recommend it
SuSSudio#2688: 3950X is possible if you have the best b450 mobo
Deleted User#0000: Apperantly a R5 1600 AF is more expensive than a R5 2600
Jam#0384: ^
Jam#0384: Get a 2600 then |
Deleted User#0000: Since I cannot buy it for 85
Deleted User#0000: Weird
Deleted User#0000: It also says YD2600BBAFBOX
Deleted User#0000: That means it's AF as well?
Jam#0384: Irrelevant with a 2600
SuSSudio#2688: It's where Zen+ 12nm die originally manufactured in
JustinXenyx#8854: AF indicates it is a 2000 series part @Deleted User
Deleted User#0000: Oh
JustinXenyx#8854: Or a 12nm part
SuSSudio#2688: Always take the original if it's cheaper, which is R5 2600
Jam#0384: next time I get money i should buy some more Ryzen stuff because it would be fun.
Deleted User#0000: Well, I can get a R5 2600 for 119 dollars, and thankfully it qualifies for free shipping to my country so that's good
Jam#0384: That’s not a bad price actually
SuSSudio#2688: R5 1600AF in other words, is slightly defected ryzen 2600 chip*
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corrected by JustinXenyx
Jam#0384: And you dont need to buy a CPU cooler
JustinXenyx#8854: @Jam I just got a 1600AF for my planned Testbench upgrade, does really great
Deleted User#0000: What's funnier it's just a few dollars off from a Ryzen 3 3200G I would've bought locally
JustinXenyx#8854: @SuSSudio No, it is precisely a 2600 just rebranded
JustinXenyx#8854: not slightly worse binned or anything, literally rebranded
Jam#0384: It will destroy the 3200G
Jam#0384: And you dont need the APU since you have an RX 570
Jam#0384: @JustinXenyx yeah I would love to mess with more of it. I dont have any 6 core parts atm too. Just 1,2,3,4,8
Deleted User#0000: Oh so the R5 2600 actually has a discount instead of 199 dollars
JustinXenyx#8854: Not really
JustinXenyx#8854: That was its release price
Deleted User#0000: Oh
Jam#0384: Yeah it’s technically last gen
Jam#0384: But it’s a very good cpu |
Jam#0384: It is faster than an i7-4790K (except in single core performance)
Jam#0384: And an i7-4790K itself destroys your i5-4xxxS CPU
Deleted User#0000: Yea I know that for sure since beforehand I wanted to actually get a I7-4790S, not K though
Deleted User#0000: But I found out it's way too expensive for what I get
Jam#0384: I would never touch an Intel CPU with the S on the end
Jam#0384: S basically stands for Shit Edition
Deleted User#0000: But that also comes in mind knowing I only have to buy one thing instead of 2 or 3 more because replacement
Deleted User#0000: S is basically less wattage use right?
Deleted User#0000: Or is T the one
Jam#0384: Both, but they also have slower speeds
SuSSudio#2688: S intel cpus is essentially a clocked down chip to meet lower TDP rating
Jam#0384: Yeah
Deleted User#0000: I can't believe how now a R5 2600 also has TDP of 65
Deleted User#0000: Like a S intel CPU would have
Deleted User#0000: Damn |
Jam#0384: I’ve played with i7-4790K and i7-4770K and they run hot and are completely wrecked by the 3700X I bought, even in programs that prefer higher single core
SuSSudio#2688: FYI Zen is a completely new architecture, unlike Core
Deleted User#0000: Also, in the "Frequently bought together" It has a B450M DS3H motherboard (has 4 slots of RAM) and a Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB 3000MHz
Jam#0384: Core can be traced back to the 90s
Jam#0384: Lol
SuSSudio#2688: :Hahahahaha:
Deleted User#0000: I could probably get something way cheaper
Jam#0384: That RAM good @Deleted User
SuSSudio#2688: some retro hardware benchmarking software identified i5 as P6 chip
Deleted User#0000: Hmm, I think I'll probably try to find something a bit cheaper
Deleted User#0000: p6 chip?
Jam#0384: The modern Intel CPUs are closely related to Pentium 3 CPUs from 1998
Deleted User#0000: lmao what
Racey#8574: I was going to say Core still supports the architectures that older CPUs had but all CPUs have those architectures
Jam#0384: Yep |
SuSSudio#2688: mhm
Jam#0384: Intel has been tweaking the same architecture for over two decades
Jam#0384: And they’re finally at the end point where they can only squeeze so much more out of it
Jam#0384: AMD would have beaten them years ago if they had marketing power and funds
Deleted User#0000: Well, in a 20 minutes or so I have to go, so I think this will be my last question so far
Deleted User#0000: Is a ASRock B450M-HDV R4.0 good?
Deleted User#0000: I mean it has 2 slots but if I'll be honest, I doubt I would want to actually upgrade my RAM in the future
Jam#0384: If you are getting 16GB it’s okay
Jam#0384: But not ideal
JustinXenyx#8854: "TDP" is completely made up by the manufacturer and can be calculated however they want to, which means it should not be used for estimating a chips heat output and should NEVER be used for indicating power draw
Jam#0384: AMD measures it in a more practical way though, imo
Deleted User#0000: Well I hope my 450W power supply would at least run the R5 2600 if I get it
Jam#0384: I’m not an AMD shill I have majority intel cpus.
Deleted User#0000: But yea I'm intending to get 16GB
Racey#8574: I would get an ASUS board since they're usually the best lmao |
Jam#0384: No they are not
Jam#0384: Lol
Racey#8574: It depends on which board
Racey#8574: From my friends' experiences don't get MSI
Jam#0384: Not for the low end, ASUS is not the best
Racey#8574: ASUS is good for mid range or high end
Racey#8574: Not for budget lol
Deleted User#0000: Anyway, I got a lot of questions answered which definetly helped me for sure, and I have to go for now, hope you guys have a good day/night!
Jam#0384: MSI is good for B450, not X570 though
Racey#8574: They usually wouldn't offer the lower end motherboards anymore
Racey#8574: One of my friends had a B450 MSI board and it had blown VRMs
JustinXenyx#8854: @Deleted User ayy yo Lemons, can you pin my last message about TDP here? I think that's something that more people should pay attention to
Jam#0384: Sure I have had two EVGA cards die on me
Jam#0384: Nobody says EVGA is shit
Jam#0384: Every EVGA card I have ever owned has died on me except my GTX 980 |
Racey#8574: So you've had 3 EVGA cards
Jam#0384: Yes
Racey#8574: I wish I had more cards lmao
Jam#0384: Lmao i posted a picture of just all my ATI cards
Jam#0384: Today
Jam#0384: Hell it wasnt even all of them
Jam#0384: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/662574850140930058/image0.jpg
Racey#8574: Collection
Racey#8574: I don't have enough space for some
Jam#0384: I keep all of them in my closet
Racey#8574: My closet has alot of shit in it because my dad doesn't have big enough closet for his shit
Jam#0384: I have a couple AMD cards too, and a good amount of NVIDIA.
Jam#0384: Only a few other things
Jam#0384: Matrox Parhelia, SIS 315, Voodoo 3
MythologicalZ#3752: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRO_AUdmfis |
Deleted User#0000: @Jam Sorry for the ping, but I was wondering, does the RAM necessarily have to be 3000MHz or is it fine if it'll be 2666/2400?
tdp2612#3835: ryzen likes fast ram
tdp2612#3835: so the faster, the better really
tdp2612#3835: and ram prices have gone down a fair amount, so if you can stretch to 3000, its prbably worth it
Deleted User#0000: 👍
Jam#0384: 3000 or higher is ideal
Jam#0384: In fact with 2000 chips I think 3200 is deal and 3600-37xx with 3000 chips
Jam#0384: So going below 3000 is not the best decision.
DarknessFalls229#2286: from what i observed the CB score on the 3600 went from 1582 to 1590 by settings mem from 2133 to 3000
DarknessFalls229#2286: but that might just be me
Jam#0384: I get 4680 on average
DarknessFalls229#2286: R15?
Jam#0384: No
Jam#0384: R2-
Jam#0384: R20 |
DarknessFalls229#2286: ah
DarknessFalls229#2286: i got like 3500 i think
Jam#0384: I get like 2.5 on R15 or something
Jam#0384: 2.5K
Jam#0384: Anyways, 2133 to 3000?
DarknessFalls229#2286: how are you getting so high, dont you have just 2 more cores?
Jam#0384: I have 4 more threads also
DarknessFalls229#2286: still, thats 1000 more points
Jam#0384: The 3700X is 8c16t
Jam#0384: Idk im just recalling from memory
Jam#0384: And I recalled incorrectly
Jam#0384: I actually got roughly 2100 pts in R15
Jam#0384: and nearly 4700 in R20
DarknessFalls229#2286: you sure?
Jam#0384: yes |
Jam#0384: Positive
Jam#0384: The gain I get in games from the 3600 is not major yet
Jam#0384: In most games anyways
CaldeiraG#0496: hey guys so i'm looking for a new bundle for my pc and so far i got 2 possible options:
CaldeiraG#0496: i7-4790k + z97 + 16gb ddr3 - my friend asked me to suggest a price
ryzen 5 2600 + gigabyte b450 aorus m + 16gb 3000mhz = 240€
(both used)
i have currently a i3-2120 + 8gb ram + some oem motherboard
i would want to add a RX580 to the system later on
ryzen has the best upgrade path but i would like any suggestions
CaldeiraG#0496: thanks 😄
Jam#0384: Get the second one
Jam#0384: It outperforms the i7-4790K |
Jam#0384: I used to main a 4790K
CaldeiraG#0496: ah nice
Jam#0384: and 8GB ram is not enough anymore
Jam#0384: Plus 4 core CPUs are really slowing down
Jam#0384: in many applications
CaldeiraG#0496: sry, my friend has 16gb + 8gb mine
Jam#0384: I would NOT touch that i7 unless you can get it for about $100 USD
CaldeiraG#0496: still, don't need that much
Jam#0384: Either way, the Ryzen is the better choice
Jam#0384: It will perform better and it won't be a dead end platform
Jam#0384: You have an upgrade path
Jam#0384: i7-4790K is pretty much maxed out
CaldeiraG#0496: he asked me for a price which i was going to offer like 170€
CaldeiraG#0496: > To be honest, whatever you think it's worth, cause it's older parts now (When it was released) compared to the new stuff nowadays
CaldeiraG#0496: is overclocking any better for the i7? |
JustinXenyx#8854: You won't make up the lack of cores with higher clocks unfortunately
JustinXenyx#8854: 4 core chips are starting to struggle massively with newer stuff
CaldeiraG#0496: well i'm running a dual-core as we speak lol
CaldeiraG#0496: *it has hyperthreading for some reason*
JustinXenyx#8854: It is a i3 after all
CaldeiraG#0496: this was a prebuilt i bought like 7 years ago
CaldeiraG#0496: and because my parents wouldn't allow me to do a custom build at the time
CaldeiraG#0496: the ssd i put here really made a difference on the time this lasted
Jam#0384: The Ryzen is the best choice hands down
CaldeiraG#0496: well now i realized the ryzen combo is about 100km from my place
Jam#0384: I wouldn't buy that i7 combo for more than $100
Jam#0384: It will be found for more than that but they are overpriced
CaldeiraG#0496: $100 are pennies in € lol
CaldeiraG#0496: and because my friend is from the uk, conversions fees and crap
Jam#0384: $100 is $89 |
Jam#0384: In Euro
CaldeiraG#0496: 89.5
Jam#0384: Well since you want to be technical it's actually 89.5016
CaldeiraG#0496: it's 90 in essence
Jam#0384: Anyways, the i7 does not have great performance for much longer
Jam#0384: It has a premium for being the top end chip of the last consumer DDR3 platform
Jam#0384: I would rather buy a new Ryzen over the i7
CaldeiraG#0496: that is why i considered it in the first place
Jam#0384: I have both Haswell i7-K chips
CaldeiraG#0496: i'll still get stuck on upgrades
CaldeiraG#0496: nice then
CaldeiraG#0496: i'll risen xD
CaldeiraG#0496: do you think i can ask for a lower price on the ryzen?
CaldeiraG#0496: looking at the pinned post, i have a 850 evo sata ssd, the 2nd best 😄
CaldeiraG#0496: i only trust samsung for ssds, but a kingston one these days is not that bad if you wanna speed things |
MythologicalZ#3752: Ironically the A400 which is a Kingston drive is one of the worst
tdp2612#3835: yeah 4th gen is pretty expensive
tdp2612#3835: considering the relative small upgrade over something like a 2600k
Alcyone#2233: the apex cpu will always hold value over the others, look at 3770k, 4790k, 7700k prices
Jam#0384: how the hell did my shipper bend the pin on my athlon to a 90 degree angle
Jam#0384: what the fuck
Jam#0384: it is l shaped
Alcyone#2233: I got an opteron like that. i dunno how the pins got so bent
Jam#0384: its just a single pin
Jam#0384: idk
Alcyone#2233: maybe file a claim first then try to fix it
Alcyone#2233: I got the bent up opteron for free and I did manage to get it in the socket after some fiddling with a mechanical pencil
CaldeiraG#0496: it's really kinda ridiculous how the used market here is so limited
CaldeiraG#0496: Portugal btw
JustinXenyx#8854: Countries like portugal get kicked in the nuts with used hardware because the new hardware is so overpriced that people selling their used parts can charge a premium |
CaldeiraG#0496: exactly
CaldeiraG#0496: i've found so many overpriced ads
CaldeiraG#0496: one example is the ryzen 5 2600, costs about 130€ on amazon.de and someone is selling their used one for the same
CaldeiraG#0496: but individual parts are also hard to find
Jam#0384: yep the pin broke off instantly
CaldeiraG#0496: only full builds
Jam#0384: how do you even fucking bend a pin on a cpu thats bent in like 40 different angles and not straight
JustinXenyx#8854: Getting something from Amazon.de isn't that hard to get though, is it?
CaldeiraG#0496: i buy stuff from the ES one
CaldeiraG#0496: never tried any other european one
CaldeiraG#0496: over 29€ is free shipping
CaldeiraG#0496: *shrugs*
CaldeiraG#0496: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/662742541740802118/Screenshot_376.png
CaldeiraG#0496: there ya go
CaldeiraG#0496: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
Jam#0384: do not buy that
Jam#0384: thats a bad value
CaldeiraG#0496: ofc not
CaldeiraG#0496: that's why the
CaldeiraG#0496: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Alcyone#2233: you could get a p67 from ali and ebay the other 2 cheaper
Alcyone#2233: might get lucky and find a cheap 1155 oc board local or fb marketplace as well
CaldeiraG#0496: i already have a 1155 board, not overcloakable tho
CaldeiraG#0496: *very sure it's not, from a prebuilt*
Alcyone#2233: only p67-z68-z75 and z77 chipset can oc
Alcyone#2233: prebuilt is likely a H/B/Q chipset
CaldeiraG#0496: PCH: Intel B75
Jam#0384: I got the Althon X2 and Windows Installer working, but it seems my board has dead RAM slots so it's not a winner here
CaldeiraG#0496: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/662760787521306624/aspire_x1935.pdf
Jam#0384: It's unfortunate that It has two DEAD ones that results in no way to use Dual channel |
Jam#0384: absolute shame
CaldeiraG#0496: 😦
Jam#0384: I'll clean them out and all after Windows Installs
Jam#0384: But I have a feeling theyre dead dead as it stopped XP from installing before and my sticks that work in the other slots didnt work there
CaldeiraG#0496: my ddr3 2x4gb 1600mhz kit is only running at 1333mhz because of cpu
CaldeiraG#0496: so rip me as well
Jam#0384: You can still OC them with a good board
CaldeiraG#0496: b75 pch
Jam#0384: What I have here is not easy to replace though
Jam#0384: A rare-ish item
CaldeiraG#0496: i had to even install a custom BIOS for the motherboard because it wouldn't support any other graphics card than the OEM one
CaldeiraG#0496: a geforce 605 OEM
CaldeiraG#0496: that card was a pain in the butt
Jam#0384: did you try disabling Secure Boot
Jam#0384: in the BIOS before |
CaldeiraG#0496: it's working now with the custom firmware for about 2 years now
CaldeiraG#0496: yeah
Jam#0384: oof
CaldeiraG#0496: but it was very limited
CaldeiraG#0496: this custom one has endless options
CaldeiraG#0496: *that most of them probably don't work*
CaldeiraG#0496: me talking about the i7 and look at it came on my yt recommendations
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6RsDyMn2gY&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR1SZO1ZunUdx51kDfho6CApLOREmD3Xjl45idn4pfXtHKYixTBAdq01LTM
CaldeiraG#0496: lmao
CaldeiraG#0496: now i see that the ryzen is def better
CaldeiraG#0496: that's good
Jam#0384: Told you
hare_ware#4880: I have $50 worth of Christmas money and need to buy and SSD and new power supply for a Dell Optiplex 990 that's in a custom case. My brother is giving me his GTX1660. What SSD and perferably SFX powersupply should I get?
Jam#0384: SFX usually comes at a permium
hare_ware#4880: It does sadly |
Jam#0384: https://www.ebay.com/itm/ADATA-Ultimate-SU650-2-5-120GB-SATA-III-3D-NAND-Internal-Solid-State-Drive-SSD/254156011040?epid=2298097290&hash=item3b2ce0f620:g:FQIAAOSwG3Zcgq6p
Jam#0384: Good SSD for cheap
hare_ware#4880: 120 GB is probably too small, I have 320GB worth of hard drives and it's almost full
Jam#0384: Look you're working with $50 buddy
Jam#0384: you need a PSU AND an SSD
tdp2612#3835: 50 us d?
Jam#0384: I assume so
tdp2612#3835: shouldnt you be able to get a good 240 for that
hare_ware#4880: Yeah, that's why SFX is optional. It's not a need more of want
Jam#0384: He needs a PSU AND SSD for $50
tdp2612#3835: ohh you mean plus psu
tdp2612#3835: yeah youre fucked
tdp2612#3835: so yeah a cheap 120 and i guess a used psu
Jam#0384: That 120 is good
hare_ware#4880: I'm fine with going used, also yeah in retrospect trying to do both for $50 is going to hard |
tdp2612#3835: why not a used ssd?
tdp2612#3835: or is that generally frowned on
hare_ware#4880: I could go for a 120GB SSD and a used 500GB hard drive
hare_ware#4880: That would solve my storage & speed issues
tdp2612#3835: then where do you get a psu from
tdp2612#3835: if the hdd is another like 5 or 10
hare_ware#4880: Yeah, found 3 listings really quick and that's $56
hare_ware#4880: This probably a terrible idea, but what if get a cheap PicoPSU run most of the system, but run the 1660 off the Dell PSU
hare_ware#4880: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0816R5SRX/ref=sspa_dk_detail_7
hare_ware#4880: Is there any possibly that I can even use the 24 pin power connector on the PSU as an 8pin?
tdp2612#3835: :frobotmoment:
tdp2612#3835: im gonna say no
tdp2612#3835: but in theory, probably
tdp2612#3835: like itll have the right combo of cables at the right voltages
tdp2612#3835: but i wouldnt trust it, even if you got a real electrician to set it up |
hare_ware#4880: Probably a great firestarter, especially that generic $15 PSU
CaldeiraG#0496: if you wanna fry your computer, $15 PSU will do the job
CaldeiraG#0496: well crap, i'm doomed, need to find a decent combo now
CaldeiraG#0496: i have a seasonic s12II 520W, some say it's hot garbage and some say it's alright
Alcyone#2233: its okay, just an older multi rail design
Alcyone#2233: that pico psu still needs 12v from a laptop charger or something
CaldeiraG#0496: if i could actually win a bid 😦 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/662804570451345428/Screenshot_377.png
DarknessFalls229#2286: might actually be better to buy ryzen at that point
CaldeiraG#0496: well crap, in my entire country there is that 240€ i've talked about
CaldeiraG#0496: that's it
JustinXenyx#8854: Also, that auction is based in Germany, i'd check back with the seller to see if he would even be willing to ship to Portugal
CaldeiraG#0496: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/662805958048612403/Screenshot_378.png
Alcyone#2233: 230 eur should be able to get 1600 BBAF or 2600, b450 and some ram I think. no idea about portugal pricing though
JustinXenyx#8854: *which are covered by Hermes* AKA you should check back and see if Hermes ships to Portugal lol
CaldeiraG#0496: ebay is not throwing any warning, let me check that too |
Alcyone#2233: I would not get anything intel below a z370 right now no matter what.
better investment might be an i7 2600/k or 3770 for whatever sandy machine you have now
DarknessFalls229#2286: i do have a 3770 available
tdp2612#3835: yeah but hes got an i3
tdp2612#3835: hes not gonna have a nice motherboard to really get anything out of 1155
CaldeiraG#0496: max for mb is i5-3570 or smth
DarknessFalls229#2286: h61 can run even i7s
DarknessFalls229#2286: maybe not that efficient
DarknessFalls229#2286: but it does work
Alcyone#2233: you take that out and put an i7 in.
even stock sandy isnt too bad.
$100 or less cpu upgrade spend the rest on a gpu or save for a proper am4 upgrade
DarknessFalls229#2286: what mobo do you have anyway?
CaldeiraG#0496: acer aspire x1935 aka b75 pch |
CaldeiraG#0496: https://discordapp.com/channels/355098188312477696/545181464363401216/662760788976599060
tdp2612#3835: https://prnt.sc/ltkju5
CaldeiraG#0496: that list is not entirely true tho :p
CaldeiraG#0496: i run a custom bios because the stock firmware wouldn't allow a graphics card change
tdp2612#3835: yeah that forums a bit dodge
CaldeiraG#0496: i'm pretty much looking for the best bang in the buck
CaldeiraG#0496: 1080p60 60hz display
DarknessFalls229#2286: hmmm, in theory it should support i7s cause it has a B75 chipset
CaldeiraG#0496: well, it's a dead architecture
CaldeiraG#0496: and overpriced
DarknessFalls229#2286: but an i7 could be worthwhile if you can fit it in your mobo
Jam#0384: So is the 7700K and 4790K
Jam#0384: both deadend platforms and overpriced
Jam#0384: a Sandy or Ivy chip would be better choice than those, if priced adequately. However, I stand by my advice to buy Ryzen
Jam#0384: Just buy it new |
CaldeiraG#0496: new would look around 330€
CaldeiraG#0496: with a decent b450, heard the max models are the better, the 5 2600 and a 2x8gb 3000mhz kit
CaldeiraG#0496: 320€ actually
Xbox 360 1953#2640: What happens if I have no fans aside from cpu/gpu/psu
Racey#8574: Eh you'll get worse heat exchange across your case
DarknessFalls229#2286: Seen any R5 1600 AF models?
Racey#8574: Nothing too lethal for your components
DarknessFalls229#2286: basically a 2600 with a 1600 price tag
Xbox 360 1953#2640: Alright thats good to hear
Racey#8574: Just make sure it is in an open area so it can at least have some air
Racey#8574: Because there's no case fans pulling air in
Xbox 360 1953#2640: I have case fans but dell lame and uses different connectors
Racey#8574: Buy an adapter
Xbox 360 1953#2640: Purchasing an adapter wouldn't be worth it since i'm upgrading from this soon
CaldeiraG#0496: i can only find a 2600x for 130€ |
DarknessFalls229#2286: where are you searching on?
CaldeiraG#0496: fb marketplace, olx
CaldeiraG#0496: and a portuguese forum around
DarknessFalls229#2286: no website to order new?
CaldeiraG#0496: https://www.kuantokusta.pt/informatica/Componentes/Processadores/AMD-Ryzen-5-2600-Hexa-Core-3-4GHz-c-Turbo-3-9GHz-19MB-SktAM4-Box-YD2600BBAFBOX-p-1-546425
CaldeiraG#0496: you want more? 😛
Deleted User#0000: Sorry to interrupt but is this good? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/662811872034160677/IMG_0182.jpg
Racey#8574: Your GPU either failed or crashed
Racey#8574: Lmao
CaldeiraG#0496: not really
Racey#8574: I forgot that key bind thingy one sec
CaldeiraG#0496: your graphics card is either glitching or dying
Deleted User#0000: I think it's dying
Racey#8574: Press Control+Shift+B
Racey#8574: Your screen should refresh and the graphics driver should restart |
CaldeiraG#0496: or it can be a port issue too, try using another cable/port
Deleted User#0000: It did this before with my previous monitor setup
Racey#8574: If that doesn't work then force restart by pressing the reset button on your PC if you don't have unsaved important data
Racey#8574: Whenever my GPU crashes it looks like the screen is artifacting and corrupting
Deleted User#0000: The problem is that it does this on the norm
Racey#8574: Try repasting if you have the chance; It might be a thermal issue because I repasted my 660 and it seemed to crash less often
Deleted User#0000: Just tried to run afterburner to check the temp and got a blue screen
CaldeiraG#0496: oof that's no good
Racey#8574: GPU might be failing
Racey#8574: What GPU is it
Deleted User#0000: Gtx 650 ti boost
Racey#8574: When did you get it
CaldeiraG#0496: i would say it's time for an upgrade at this point
Deleted User#0000: I don't remember
Racey#8574: Try downclocking for now since it's a factory overclocked model |
Deleted User#0000: It was like 5 years ago
Racey#8574: But your GPU might be sharing the same fate as my 660
Deleted User#0000: downclocking doesn't work
tdp2612#3835: All the way?
Deleted User#0000: Yes
Racey#8574: It's failing probably
tdp2612#3835: Yeah its ded
Racey#8574: Do you have a backup graphics card
Deleted User#0000: Nope
Racey#8574: When my GTX 660 died I had my GT 730 on hand
tdp2612#3835: :Shit_company: :Shit_company: :Shit_company:
Racey#8574: Until I was able to revive it again
Racey#8574: Do you have integrated graphics
Deleted User#0000: No
Racey#8574: Are you able to buy another graphics card |
tdp2612#3835: Whats the specs overall
Racey#8574: If you can't get another GPU then you're in a bit of a pickle buddy
Deleted User#0000: amd fx 8350, gtx 650 ti boost, asus sabertooth 990fx @tdp2612
Deleted User#0000: The issue seem to start after not using the pc after a few months
Racey#8574: Did you clean it
Racey#8574: If not try doing that
Deleted User#0000: Just recently
tdp2612#3835: Whats the psu like
tdp2612#3835: Its not like 200w is it
Deleted User#0000: 650w
Racey#8574: Lol I doubt the 650 To can run with 200w
Racey#8574: Yeah everything seems fine except the GPU itself
tdp2612#3835: :Oof:
CaldeiraG#0496: big oof
tdp2612#3835: At least its not a mega expensive card to replace |
Racey#8574: Your only way out of this situation is buying a new GPU
Deleted User#0000: Do you know any gpus I can get for a decent price?
Racey#8574: What's your budget
CaldeiraG#0496: decent price is very vague
Deleted User#0000: Well actually I'm planning on building a new pc
Racey#8574: A GTX 750 Ti is of equal power to the 650 Ti Boost, maybe a slight but slower
CaldeiraG#0496: i would be careful with it online
CaldeiraG#0496: as it's popular for scammers
Racey#8574: A 1050 is little bit more powerful
Racey#8574: So is the 950
Deleted User#0000: Will my current setup even support something like a 1050 ti or a 1070?
CaldeiraG#0496: 950 has less reputation
Racey#8574: Most likely
Racey#8574: Instead of a 1070 I would get a 1660S or 1660 Ti
Racey#8574: Slightly lower price but almost as powerful |
tdp2612#3835: You sure that much power is needed
tdp2612#3835: Like a 1060 6gb would do nice, theyre atarting to come down
CaldeiraG#0496: rx580 is alright too
Deleted User#0000: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/662816628551188500/Capture.PNG
Racey#8574: If you're going to get a 1060 6 GB just get a 1650S
Racey#8574: Little bit more powerful
CaldeiraG#0496: that prices seems like scam 👀
CaldeiraG#0496: same website
Racey#8574: Scam likely
tdp2612#3835: Yeah theyre fake
Racey#8574: 1660 Tis are around $250
Deleted User#0000: Let me go look at wish.com
tdp2612#3835: Should be triple that easily
Racey#8574: They'll drop even more with the release of the RTX 3000 series
CaldeiraG#0496: wish.com = scammers of the internet xd |
Racey#8574: Lmao
CaldeiraG#0496: aliexpress been my chinese shop all the way
CaldeiraG#0496: if you know what you're buying
CaldeiraG#0496: customer protection is good so far
Racey#8574: Don't get the $50 1050 Ti lmao
CaldeiraG#0496: yea
CaldeiraG#0496: dont
Deleted User#0000: Ever since I did my 3 monitor setup with my pc, the gpu seems to be struggling
Racey#8574: The 650 Ti wasn't meant for 3 monitor setups
Racey#8574: It was capable of it but not meant for it
Deleted User#0000: I was experimenting just to see what it was like
SuSSudio#2688: just not gaming
Deleted User#0000: A 4k monitor then two 1080p monitors on the side
SuSSudio#2688: uuh now i see
Racey#8574: Yep that's not supposed to be with a 650 Ti lmao |
SuSSudio#2688: card's too old for 4K res
Racey#8574: The 650 Ti shouldn't be using 4k at all
Deleted User#0000: Definitely shouldn't be doing this
Racey#8574: If my 660 struggles with 4K then a 650 Ti shouldn't be doing it
SuSSudio#2688: try using back with a single monitor & see if the problem persists
SuSSudio#2688: the 1080p ones
Racey#8574: However with 1080p240 my 660 is just fine
Racey#8574: Until you game
Deleted User#0000: My previous monitor setup was just using a 1080p monitor and a cheap dell monitor
Deleted User#0000: 1600 x 900
Deleted User#0000: The problem persisted but it wasn't as bad
SuSSudio#2688: I can assure the card is dying overall, small part of the chip is likely rot away
SuSSudio#2688: there's nothing you can really do with a video card unless you have all the required equipments & replacement parts to get it fixed
Racey#8574: Not rot away more of the actual chip is losing its electrical health in a way
Racey#8574: And no you should never reflow a graphics card as it's unsafe |
Racey#8574: Especially at home
Deleted User#0000: oven method
SuSSudio#2688: even if you happen to be lucky with oven, it won't last much longer
Racey#8574: If a card is dying
Racey#8574: It's dying and there's nothing you can do about it
Racey#8574: Unless you're one lucky fucker
Deleted User#0000: I'm kind of in a pickle, because this is the only pc I have
Deleted User#0000: I have a asus laptop but it's garbage
SuSSudio#2688: But can you afford a video card at this point?
SuSSudio#2688: no matter used or new
Deleted User#0000: I had a friend who was willing to give his 1050 ti but I haven't heard back from him
Deleted User#0000: But other than that I can't really get a new graphics card at the moment
SuSSudio#2688: i see, there's nothing you can really do with the card besides accepting it's dying... you may save money for a new video card
Deleted User#0000: What can I do with a dead laptop
Racey#8574: Smash it |
Deleted User#0000: No
Racey#8574: Idk burn it sell it trash it whatever you want
Deleted User#0000: You think anyone would buy a dead laptop?
SuSSudio#2688: can you describe the issue with the laptop?
Racey#8574: For parts maybe
Deleted User#0000: It stopped charging
Racey#8574: Solder in the charging port probably separated
Deleted User#0000: The charging light flashes for like half a second
Racey#8574: Bad charging port
CaldeiraG#0496: ^^
Racey#8574: I've seen it all
Racey#8574: Okay that's a lie
SuSSudio#2688: has the battery been replaced?
Racey#8574: I've seen most of it
Deleted User#0000: It stopped working after I closed the lid |
Racey#8574: Probably dislocated the piece of board that supports the charging port
Deleted User#0000: It has a light up logo on the top of the laptop and that was flashing as well
SuSSudio#2688: what is the exact model of the laptop?
Deleted User#0000: I don't remember
Deleted User#0000: It's a HP pavilion dv6
Racey#8574: Look on the bottom
Racey#8574: I should be with the rest of the writing
Racey#8574: Really bad picture but here's an example with my mum's laptop https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/662821762849046548/IMG_20191225_002944.jpg
Deleted User#0000: hp pavilion dv6 6163cl
SuSSudio#2688: could be the charging IC stopped working
Racey#8574: Might be a battery problem too
Racey#8574: Try reseating the battery
Deleted User#0000: I don't have it with me right now
Deleted User#0000: It's put up somewhere
Deleted User#0000: Last image of it working https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/662822872980389910/IMG_0045.jpg |
Racey#8574: Hackintosh
Deleted User#0000: Yep
CaldeiraG#0496: that is a really old release
CaldeiraG#0496: looks like it
Deleted User#0000: I think it was
CaldeiraG#0496: not bad for a laptop
Deleted User#0000: It was high sierra
Deleted User#0000: I think at the time of it's release it was competing with the 2012 macbook pro
Deleted User#0000: But right now i'm deciding on what i can do with it
CaldeiraG#0496: you can try sell it
CaldeiraG#0496: don't hope for much tho
CaldeiraG#0496: oh crap https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/662826980013768722/Screenshot_380.png
mi3night#2562: How’d I fix memory leak
mi3night#2562: Like 25gb of my ram is hogged my driver locked memory
mi3night#2562: How’d I fix |
Jam#0384: @MythologicalZ https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/662911547428962377/unknown.png
Alcyone#2233: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/337235779384508417/558757184834633758/unknown.png
doubted bdie gang
Deleted User#0000: I talked here yesterday about getting the Ryzen 5 2600, though I did not mention that, it is 119.99 dollars, but along with import fees deposit, it's 145.31 dollars, is that still a good deal?
Jam#0384: You could get an i7-4790K for that price and the Ryzen 2600 still beats it
Jam#0384: So it may not be the greatest deal, but it is still a totally okay price
Jam#0384: And no, no I do not sleep
Jam#0384: :)
Deleted User#0000: Yea you just don't sleep at all lol
Jam#0384: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/662915808116211728/image0.png
Deleted User#0000: I tried even checking for at deals for the Ryzen 5 1600 (and the AF one as well) and they either turned out that they can't be shipped to me, or they're actually a higher price than the Ryzen 2600 itself
Deleted User#0000: Which is weird
Jam#0384: The 2600 it is then
Deleted User#0000: Yep, the only option I legit have |
Jam#0384: That price isn’t really that bad especially outside the states
Jam#0384: And other first world countries which have cheap secondhand or new markets
Jam#0384: like Canada
Jam#0384: That was poorly worded lmao
Deleted User#0000: Yea, but the fact that I could possibly get a better deal, meh I should forget about it, if it's an ok deal, it is a deal.
Alcyone#2233: youre not gonna buy into a serious gaming platform any cheaper
Alcyone#2233: b450 and a 6 core r2k or r3k is the way to go unless you cant afford it
Jam#0384: It’s still a good value and a great CPU
Deleted User#0000: You have a point, not sure why am I worrying about tis
Jam#0384: It’s fine
Jam#0384: Spending large amounts of money can be scary
Deleted User#0000: Especially for a stingy person like me
Jam#0384: I’m typically frugal also, but I find deals used
Alcyone#2233: its not cheap to buy but it will give you a path forward. You can buy used ryzen 3000 later down the line if the 2600 doesnt cut it anymore or you want something newer
Jam#0384: Yes, it is completely reasonable that your B450 motherboard could get you to a 12 Core part with 32GB ram |
Jam#0384: Not that that’s what you’d probably end up doing
Jam#0384: But it is possible
Jam#0384: But a Ryzen 5 3600X or something like a 3900X used in quite some years might be a great option
Deleted User#0000: If that's so, time for a quick ebay look
Jam#0384: No no I mean
Jam#0384: Later
Deleted User#0000: Oh later
Jam#0384: Right now the 3900X is brand new and sells for like $500+
Deleted User#0000: Oh, right
Jam#0384: But in 4 or so years it could be affordable used
Deleted User#0000: For sure
Jam#0384: And would be a big upgrade
Alcyone#2233: 2600 should be good for years unless you are chasing 144hz+ pro gaming
Deleted User#0000: I mean I got this PC all the way back in 2015, so it served me 4 years greatly
Deleted User#0000: So yea, 4 years down the pipe once more should be enough for me |
Jam#0384: I got a 3700X and plan to keep it for minimum 3 years
Jam#0384: My GTX 1080 will be replaced before then though heh
Deleted User#0000: So will my RX 570
Deleted User#0000: If a GTX 1080 will be replaced in like a minimum of 3 years or less, damn
Jam#0384: I play at 1440p
Deleted User#0000: Wait, isn't a GTX 1080 now is like an equivelant of a RTX 2060 or something?
Jam#0384: Higher resolution
Deleted User#0000: That explains it
Jam#0384: GTX 1080 is in between an RTX 2060 and 2070 non super depending on game
Jam#0384: It’s not a bad card by any means and does well for me
Alcyone#2233: its about on par with 2060s. good for 1440p
Jam#0384: Yes. It does fine. But I will replace it in a year or two most likely
Jam#0384: Unless I find a really good deal before then
Alcyone#2233: im waiting on 3000 nvidia or the next navi I think
Jam#0384: i want RTX 2080 performance and DXR capability |
Jam#0384: But it doesnt have to be RTX
Jam#0384: I would like to see AMD Dxr
Jam#0384: When they release desktop cards with it
Deleted User#0000: Actually when you said "And would be a big upgrade" is the very same for me right now, since when you think about it, from a i5 4460S to a Ryzen 5 2600, is huge
Alcyone#2233: very big, beats it in single and smashes multicore
Jam#0384: It is huge because that i5 is basically a Haswell i3 with 4 cores
Jam#0384: In terms of performance
Jam#0384: Probably a tiny bit faster than an i3
Deleted User#0000: I rememeber how back then I thought that if it just says i5, it must be good, no matter what
Alcyone#2233: 4 cores was fine until not too long ago
Jam#0384: when I was younger I though a gaming pc was good at games and the only type which can run them good and will be good at games forever
Deleted User#0000: obviously, i7 920 > some random next gen i3 lol
Jam#0384: 4 cores is still *fine*
Jam#0384: Just not great or ideal
Alcyone#2233: 4c8t is okay |
Jam#0384: Yes
Alcyone#2233: 4c4t is not doing great in 2020 even with oc
Jam#0384: Yeah
Jam#0384: The jump from the i7-4790K to my R7 was a massive gain with the same GPU
Jam#0384: And memory amount
Jam#0384: in most applications
Jam#0384: Superior frametimes
Alcyone#2233: 3-5 more years I think we will be saying the same about 6c6t and 6c12t
Jam#0384: Which is why I just spent the extra cash on an 8c part
Jam#0384: Because if I dont have the money to upgrade in a few years I want to have something capable
Jam#0384: Its funny how I have the first quad core cpu ever released and it gets trashed by an Athlon 200GE
Jam#0384: :)
Alcyone#2233: phenom 1 quaf?
Alcyone#2233: quaf lol
Jam#0384: No QX6700 |
Jam#0384: Phenom 1 came shortly after
Alcyone#2233: I think phenom beats it by a year
Jam#0384: No
Alcyone#2233: imma google it. brb put tea on
Jam#0384: QX is 2006
Jam#0384: I think the QX beats it by a year
Alcyone#2233: oh you are right
Alcyone#2233: c2q jan 2007
Alcyone#2233: phenom 9xxx nov 2007
Jam#0384: Yeah the QX6700 was even November 2006
Jam#0384: the first quad core
Jam#0384: MSRP $999
Alcyone#2233: unbelievable speeds
Jam#0384: Beaten by Athlon 200GE for $54 roughly
Jam#0384: :) |
Alcyone#2233: 3000g is $59 and can 3.9 or 4ghz ezpz
Jam#0384: Yes
Alcyone#2233: I want to get one
Jam#0384: But i find t fun
Jam#0384: $1000 only lasts you so long
Jam#0384: But that QX would have lasted a good while to be honest
Jam#0384: With a solid OC it would be pretty okay until Haswell or so
Alcyone#2233: could have rode that to ivy or haswell no prob
Jam#0384: yes
Alcyone#2233: then could ride those to r2k or r3k
Jam#0384: damn thats like 6-7 years
Jam#0384: Honestly not bad for the investment
Alcyone#2233: I used sandy 2012-2018
Jam#0384: Would have spent more on like 3 different pcs
Alcyone#2233: got it on sale new because ivy was out |
Jam#0384: Thats pretty cool
Jam#0384: I never mained sandy
Jam#0384: I actually went from Phenom to Haswell
Jam#0384: If only my Phenom was as good as that QX :haha:
Jam#0384: The Phenom was trashed by my Mobile Core 2 but i used it anyways because it didnt have a DX10 limitation on the pc
Alcyone#2233: I lost my old pics but this was when I got upgrade to an ssd and 390 around 2016? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/662922445849755648/DSCN0161.JPG
Jam#0384: Trash phenom one, Core 2 Duo e4600 is better meme
Jam#0384: Thats a sandy boi?
Alcyone#2233: yeah p67 and a 2500k.
Jam#0384: Nicee
Jam#0384: I went from a Phenom X3 8400 to a i7-4770K
Jam#0384: God that felt so good
Alcyone#2233: damt hat is a big jump
Jam#0384: swapped out the 4770K for a 4790K i got for free in 2019 and then got my Ryzen in the same year
Alcyone#2233: 1st gen phenom was not so good, amazing how well they shaped it up for Phenom II |
Jam#0384: Yeah honestly
Alcyone#2233: that mobo died and I got a good deal on a maximus+2700k used https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/662923177869049871/zipties.png
Jam#0384: That Phenom X3 bottlenecked a R7 250
Alcyone#2233: oof
Jam#0384: That’s how bad
Jam#0384: I do still have the cpu but the motherboard is dead
Jam#0384: And I dont have enough interest in AM2 to really get another board quite yet
Alcyone#2233: final form for fucking about. never should have got rid of it. 1155 will always be special to me https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/662924215413899267/rog_trash.jpg
CaldeiraG#0496: 👍
CaldeiraG#0496: Would the stock cooler for the R5 2600 be enough for overclocking?
TheGeekster#8508: @CaldeiraG light overclocking yes
CaldeiraG#0496: thanks
CaldeiraG#0496: Bundle Ryzen 5 3600 + Gigabyte Aorus X470 Ultra Gaming = 300€ negotiable
any good? |
DarknessFalls229#2286: Dont forget the ram
DarknessFalls229#2286: that can quickly add like 60+ to the price
CaldeiraG#0496: ik
CaldeiraG#0496: i don't mind spending more
CaldeiraG#0496: this guy is apparently from my city
DarknessFalls229#2286: sounds good then, i got my 3600+B450 combo for 300 too
DarknessFalls229#2286: so you might be getting a better deal than me, although it might be used
CaldeiraG#0496: it's negociable as said, i can lower a bit
CaldeiraG#0496: that's used ofc
CaldeiraG#0496: because new parts are very pricey
DarknessFalls229#2286: 300 is lready a good deal i think, but getting a few more euros off cant hurt
DarknessFalls229#2286: just be sure to not lose the deal
CaldeiraG#0496: R5 3600 = 210€
Gigabyte X470 Aorus Ultra Gaming = 144€
CaldeiraG#0496: new parts right there |
CaldeiraG#0496: yea i'll look into it
Josefi#9451: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/663060631922016256/video0.mov
Josefi#9451: My video cable is stuck in my GPU
Josefi#9451: Wtf do I do
tdp2612#3835: twist it about a bit
tdp2612#3835: try when its up to temp, try when its cold
Jam#0384: If it's DisplayPort it has clamps
Jam#0384: You have to unclip it
DarknessFalls229#2286: unclip, wiggle and tug
CaldeiraG#0496: how much of a increase would this (https://icecat.biz/p/acer/pt.ncae2.045/pcs-workstations-EL1850-6080703.html) crap get with a Q8300?
CaldeiraG#0496: that q8300 is literally 5€ rn
DarknessFalls229#2286: i think its worth the upgrade
DarknessFalls229#2286: but that thing might need a bit more ram (4-8GB) and maybe a GPU to function nicely in the modern day
CaldeiraG#0496: only supports 4gb and already has them
CaldeiraG#0496: the 1gb stick died |
JustinXenyx#8854: Yanking in more RAM and a GPU would help a lot more
JustinXenyx#8854: even with 4GB you're cucked nowadays
CaldeiraG#0496: that pc is for web browsing mainly
CaldeiraG#0496: and sims 4 lol
CaldeiraG#0496: runs barely at 30fps
Jam#0384: My Core 2 Extreme PC with 8GB DDR2 works fairly nicely at modern basic tasks, and some retro to newer games
Jam#0384: Nothing all that new though
CaldeiraG#0496: i imagine
Jam#0384: I think with a OC on the CPU and toss in a better card instead of my period correct one and I can run Jedi Fallen Order and The Outer Worlds just fine
Jam#0384: Something like an GTX 1050Ti or R9 290 (those games favor NVIDIA so need faster AMD)
Jam#0384: or Like a GTX 780 meme
MythologicalZ#3752: X470 Ultra is shit @CaldeiraG
MythologicalZ#3752: Only gigabyte X470 worth touching is the Gaming 7 and that's way overpriced when X570 exists
CaldeiraG#0496: rip
CaldeiraG#0496: i guess i'm out of luck and will delay my purchase |
MythologicalZ#3752: But with an R5 just go B450 tbh
CaldeiraG#0496: ik
CaldeiraG#0496: the problem is there is literally nothing good on the used market
CaldeiraG#0496: *in portugal*
Alcyone#2233: get a new MSI b450 MAX
Alcyone#2233: gaming plus. a-pro or tomahawk
CaldeiraG#0496: i heard the max ones are the best
CaldeiraG#0496: not sure why tho
Alcyone#2233: larger bios chip. other b450 will be stuck on the "lite" bios after update to 3rd gen compatible
CaldeiraG#0496: oh i see
CaldeiraG#0496: nice
Alcyone#2233: ones I listed also have bios flashback, so you can update them with no cpu installed.
CaldeiraG#0496: Oh that's kinda cool
Dogecode#7321: What’s a decent mATX case to get
Dogecode#7321: I’m using one from an old hp pavilion but cable management and airflow is pretty much a joke with it |
JustinXenyx#8854: Let me ask this a bit differently: How much would you be willing to spend?
JustinXenyx#8854: Also, i'd rather go for a ATX tower, usually same price and they're not that bigger than most mATX cases
Dogecode#7321: Ideally $50-75
Alcyone#2233: im with justin, hardly any matx motherboards anymore, get a small atx case, it will look fine with matx board in it
JustinXenyx#8854: Off the top off my head i'd recommend the Cooler Master MB511, it's like 50-60 bucks, easy to build in and has pretty decent airflow because it has a mesh front
Racey#8574: I have the Corsair Spec-04 series case, costed me $30 (got it on sale at a closed computer shop), it has a mesh front as well and pretty good airflow if you have spare fans
Racey#8574: It's an ATX case with enough room for 6 fans in total
Racey#8574: It's pretty basic
tdp2612#3835: and id recommend a spec 01 or 02, just get something with a mesh front and cooling will be sorted pretty much
TheFifthAce#4128: mb5111 is good
TheFifthAce#4128: spec is lame
TheFifthAce#4128: the silverstone ps15 is also really good
Xbox 360 1953#2640: I have an r9 390 and one of the fans isn't spinning, what should I do?
Racey#8574: Disconnect the fans and then reconnect
Racey#8574: Try cleaning the fans too |
Racey#8574: I have the most generic tech advice ever
Xbox 360 1953#2640: I'll try that
Xbox 360 1953#2640: It spun for a second then stopped
Xbox 360 1953#2640: Maybe that's a feature
Racey#8574: What model of R9 390 is it
BigPierogi#3368: @Xbox 360 1953 i know more modern gpus have a feature where they dont spin if their not being used
BigPierogi#3368: and spin when under load
Xbox 360 1953#2640: Xfx double dissipation
Alcyone#2233: DD 390 doesnt have fan stop. something is binding up the fan or the bearing might have failed. if you cant get it spinning search for replacements on ebay
Xbox 360 1953#2640: Lame
Xbox 360 1953#2640: Seems like it is a feature
Xbox 360 1953#2640: I opened gtav to bench and the fan started spinning and stopped when it ended
Xbox 360 1953#2640: And when I increase fan speed in Radeon settings it also starts spinning
Xbox 360 1953#2640: orrrrr not https://community.amd.com/thread/215345
Galilool#3398: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/663610428865380383/IMG_20200105_122530_752.jpg |
Galilool#3398: 3700X doing something for it's money
Jam#0384: Overclocked?
Jam#0384: Mine does 4680pts Multicore
Galilool#3398: Stock
Galilool#3398: Watercooled tho, boosts to the full 4,4 for about half a minute, so I guess that helps a lot
Galilool#3398: @Jam RAM speed?
Jam#0384: 3600
Galilool#3398: lolwas
Galilool#3398: I got 3000
Jam#0384: 4.4 is super uncommon on Ryzen 3700X
Jam#0384: Most rarely go past 4.1
Jam#0384: Mine gets to 4.25 usually
Galilool#3398: Only for short periods of time
Jam#0384: Mine has never seen anything past 4.3 for longer than a second
Jam#0384: at stock |
Galilool#3398: Could be even less than half a minute, I'll check again this afternoon, can I PM you then?
Jam#0384: It's almost midnight for me but sure
Galilool#3398: By the time it's evening for me you'll be up again
Galilool#3398: But mine's got to clock higher, otherwise I wouldn't get better results on slower RAM
Jam#0384: I have 3600 CL5. I use an X570 Gaming X as well.
Jam#0384: 12-phase VRM iirc
Jam#0384: I DO have an older PSU which could actually make a difference but I doubt it
Jam#0384: It's only like 6 years old, 80+ Gold 650W
Galilool#3398: Your setup is way better than mine
Jam#0384: Oh I forgot
Jam#0384: Probably because I run the stock cooler
Jam#0384: derp
Galilool#3398: 🤦
Galilool#3398: But still, I'll check and PM
Jam#0384: What GPU do you have? |
Galilool#3398: Says it right there, 5700XT
Jam#0384: I run a GTX 1080
Racey#8574: I would use water cooling if I wasn't paranoid as hell lmao
Jam#0384: water cooling is not great anyways unless it's custom loop
Jam#0384: Also it's overpriced
Racey#8574: In my mind I would fuck up and kill all of my components with the water getting everywhere and stuff lol
Galilool#3398: Thing is I use 3000 CL15 RAM on a B450 Gaming Pro Carbon, so that can't be it
Racey#8574: I have sub 3 GHz ram sadly
Racey#8574: 2666 MHz
Jam#0384: AIOs degrade in performance within 4-6 years while an Aircooler will last forever with new fans
Racey#8574: I use stock cooler
Jam#0384: I have mained an AIO can confirm
Jam#0384: I ran 2133MHz before, but on DDR3
Jam#0384: So quite fast actually
Racey#8574: Is it a good idea to overclock ram |
Galilool#3398: I ain't gonna use my AiO for more than 4 years tho, so there's that
Jam#0384: Sure
Racey#8574: How far can ram usually overclock on average
Jam#0384: Overclocking RAM is fine, just be realistic
Galilool#3398: @Racey Ye, but watch your timings
Jam#0384: I wouldn't even touch timings
Racey#8574: I'm not experienced with overclocking in general tbh lmao
Jam#0384: Just increase speed and voltage if you HAVE to but only a little
Racey#8574: I know the basics and that's all
Jam#0384: Only touch timings if you really have some that are holding you back
Jam#0384: I'm not good at overclocking either, I only have on impressive feat because golden sample
Jam#0384: But I can get away with the average overclock on most decently binned parts
Galilool#3398: Obviously you can't run 3000 15 15 15 34 on Hynix chips
Galilool#3398: Trust me, I tried
Galilool#3398: Accidentally |
Jam#0384: I have BDie
Galilool#3398: Nice
Galilool#3398: BDie does pretty much whatever you want from it
Jam#0384: Yeah I just decided not to push it too far
Jam#0384: My chips are technically 3200 but i OC to 3600 with 0 adjustment with no issue
Galilool#3398: Samsung B-Die is sick stuff
Jam#0384: I just have basic Corsair LPX
Jam#0384: was cheap as shit
Galilool#3398: I have corsair vengeance rgb
Jam#0384: imagine paying more and getting less
Galilool#3398: Was expensive as fuck, bought it in the middle of the ram crisis
Racey#8574: My ram sticks are HyperX Fury sticks
Jam#0384: Oooof
Jam#0384: HyperX Fury is mega iffy
Galilool#3398: Big yikes from me |
Jam#0384: I wouldnt OC those tbh
Jam#0384: they may combust
Jam#0384: aka just die
Racey#8574: Shit
Galilool#3398: Gotta go for a bit, see you
SuSSudio#2688: anyone heard coil whine while running certain tasks in your video card? especially on the bigger cards
Alcyone#2233: run thaiphoon burner, read spd. then you can find out what IC your ram kit actually has and get a baseline of what to expect
Alcyone#2233: ive only ran across 2 kits in my entire time futzing that could only do jedec/XMP and no better
Deleted User#0000: I’m not sure if this is good but I plugged in my laptop that has charging issues and a mosfet chip went up in smoke
DarknessFalls229#2286: how would you think 'a mosfet going up in smoke' might be not good?
Deleted User#0000: I don’t know
Deleted User#0000: I just woke up
DarknessFalls229#2286: if a mosfet died i dont think that laptop should work
Deleted User#0000: The laptop hasn’t worked in over a month
DarknessFalls229#2286: yeah, if a mosfet blew you might aswell need a new board, as it probably blew a hole through the pcb layers. might be better off just buying a new laptop |
Jam#0384: :Shit_company:
Deleted User#0000: Look at the forth chip https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/663758805112193043/image0.jpg
DarknessFalls229#2286: doesnt look that bad, maybe a specialist can replace the chip
DarknessFalls229#2286: but still might not be worth it, as it cant entirely guarantee that its working
Deleted User#0000: The laptop boots up now
DarknessFalls229#2286: oh, hmm
DarknessFalls229#2286: that good i guess
DarknessFalls229#2286: might be bit of corrosion then
Deleted User#0000: Maybe
Deleted User#0000: I’ll have to put it back together to see if it charges
Deleted User#0000: Never mind
Deleted User#0000: It’s just in this power loop. Turns on and off. Nothing on the display
Deleted User#0000: The chip is delivering 19 volts somewhere. Which is what the charger is rated at. But every other chip shows 0
Deleted User#0000: I was able to remove the chip but it was burned on the board https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/663777561683427340/image0.jpg
Deleted User#0000: @DarknessFalls229 |
DarknessFalls229#2286: any shorts?
Deleted User#0000: Not sure
DarknessFalls229#2286: make sure there are none
Deleted User#0000: Not sure where to start
DarknessFalls229#2286: well, if none of the solder pads are touching you should be good, if it didnt burn a hole in the board
Deleted User#0000: It didn’t thankfully
DarknessFalls229#2286: Also, dont those mosfets work in pairs? low side and high side?
Deleted User#0000: I think they do
DarknessFalls229#2286: might need to leave m in pairs to let them work
DarknessFalls229#2286: and i dunno what happens if you got a phase less, dont know if it just works with a bit of a wobbly voltage or the mobo just shuts down
Deleted User#0000: The mobo turns on but it doesn’t boot
Deleted User#0000: It’s like in a power loop
Deleted User#0000: These mosfets are also responsible for the battery
Deleted User#0000: The fan does this @DarknessFalls229 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/663779573355511809/video0.mov
DarknessFalls229#2286: i cannot hear it |
Deleted User#0000: Turns on and off
DarknessFalls229#2286: yeah it power cycles, but dont know if its because its shorted, broken or missing some parts
Deleted User#0000: It’s probably shorted
Deleted User#0000: And plus the missing mosfets
Deleted User#0000: I got some old laptops I can probably salvage some mosfets from
Deleted User#0000: @DarknessFalls229 found the short
DarknessFalls229#2286: nice, did it do anything?
Deleted User#0000: It got hot
Deleted User#0000: It’s a discolored capacitor
JadeWasTaken#6479: my friend is having trouble with his pc, he had put a new nvme drive in and it seams to have broken his machine. the computer had its drives flattened and a new OS was installed but now it is saying no input. we have tried taking the GPU out and just connection into the motherboard but we had the same issue. all of the fans are running and it seams to be fine visually but it is just not posting.
TheGeekster#8508: what cpu, motherboard & gpu?
JadeWasTaken#6479: cpu is a ryzen 5 2600 a 1070 gpu and a b350 asus plus motherboard
tdp2612#3835: hmm
tdp2612#3835: not like its ancient and fragile
JadeWasTaken#6479: it is just not displaying anything, he has managed to get into the bios but cant see it so im really confused |
TheGeekster#8508: how do you know he's got into bios?
DarknessFalls229#2286: you know that a ryzen 5 2600 doesnt have integrated graphics right? @JadeWasTaken
JadeWasTaken#6479: he said that it does something when it gets into the bios and he said it did that
JadeWasTaken#6479: im not there with him im just over discord helping
DarknessFalls229#2286: id say reconnect the GPU, connect the power plugs of the GPU and if it dont work try a different slot. you can try run on a single ram stick and swap it around in the slots if it doesnt post
JadeWasTaken#6479: ive got him to take all of the new stuff out and put it back to how it was before and try that but im waiting to see if it works
JadeWasTaken#6479: it didnt work
JadeWasTaken#6479: not the gpu fans arent spinning
DarknessFalls229#2286: a GPU like a 1070 probably has fan stop
JadeWasTaken#6479: would it be worth trying to take the cpu out and put it back in
JadeWasTaken#6479: its one of the only things we haven't tried
DarknessFalls229#2286: dont think its worth it if its worked before
DarknessFalls229#2286: have you tried resetting CMOS?
JadeWasTaken#6479: no because he cant get the battery out
DarknessFalls229#2286: short the CMOS pins when powering on to reset it |
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