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email address and invited people who read the story to reach out to me if they got anything weird.
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to judge me if they are, and that's the kind of data that's missing right now in these data transparency.
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Right. Report safe.
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a global. Send me back, send me back all the comments.
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comments that I had made on above the law, like 10 years ago, because I guess they had bought disgusts. This is the commenting platform.
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disqus or discuss, i don't even know how you pronounce that.oh, yeah.
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that's what i thought, but i don't know.
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here it's who knows, and you don't know why, and you don't get any information.what-
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One of the companies I talked to that was fascinating. A company called Riskified that again does this kind of fraud scoring. They didn't have any.
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the woman who wrote the complaint to the FTC about these.
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her microsoft excel sheet that had like
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records of a transaction like her email address her her home
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address, but it was unclear what she'd bought or where she'd bought it.
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contracts with companies that they have the right to disclose this data, but risk-ified model was really fascinating.
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to me because they guarantee to accompany whether a transaction is fraudulent or not.
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And so there, the company kind of determines whether it can go through.
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Yeah, and they otherwise get a cut of every legitimate transaction that they put through.
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don't want to prevent people from being able to buy things. We, you know, it's good for
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Our business is good for our clients to allow people to buy things. We're just trying to lead out.
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information, and those decisions are then impacting your lives and-
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find out about it. and that part definitely seems concerning.
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on retail equation and there was a person who had bought cell phone covers for
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for his grandchildren and he bought them in a whole bunch of different colors so that each grandchild could choose the color they wanted and then he went to return them.
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they said no, and he went to retail
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It was very unclear why it was that he had been flagged as a fraudulent returner.
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I don't know how much the cell phone covers are.
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When you, you've been deemed a bad consumer and you have no idea.
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you can see how that benefits the people who are legitimate also so-
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