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communications law that in the case of an emergency, they can just shut down telecommunication services. and illegally allows shutdown that would be so against-
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... the state allows itself to enact and-
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regulations by states also want to allow themselves some degree of leeway...
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special cases like combating organized crime, drug trafficking-
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and so on, and terrorism, also allow for extra powers by the states.
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we also can identify things that we can-
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advocate against, when those abuses are allowed.
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i'm not even talking about self-regulation, because in the absence of regulation..
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we see that the rule could be some level of abuse by private actors as well.
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the founding director of the digital freedom fund and has been an advisor to the clinic since 2016.
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there will be time at the end as well.
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this is great. thank you. yeah. thank you so much for having-
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things like that should not happen.
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pleasure to be back at harvard.
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you, [yan 00:00:49]. i think that's a great point to think about the competencies and the variety in the case law between courts.
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... delighted to be back in my old stomping grounds. the first classroom that i taught in.
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influential, and i think the european court of human rights is one of those policies.
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[inaudible 00:06:24] i wonder if we might turn to a different way that we can engage with governments around issues-
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is doing completely the wrong thing in designing this...
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to have us and european lawyers more closely in dialogue, more closely coordinated with relation to your brooklyn project.
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what i teach a class called product management and a society over there.
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look, to folks who come up afterward to talk a little bit more about that if we don't get into it today and...
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one of the most disabling environments on the planet. i mean, that's just a fact, because-
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swat team, the tech swat team of the united states government.
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quo which doesn't feel like it lines up very well with an environment that's ripe for technical innovation...
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i mean, there was a case for saving taxpayer dollars in federal projects.
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... and then once you buy it. so as a government we're bad at-
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but it actually really doesn't. it's going to cause a lot more problems. or you're planning on shipping this in two months and it's going to fail and background checks are just still not going to happen.
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this is very troubling. this is criminal behavior.
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illustrious panel. we've got ruben playing the phil donahue role.
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me, i could tell you about the system i wrote in the 1970s for the state government that never saw the light of day because of-
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well that is, we bring in people who are federal employees, employed by the federal government who can go around and work on different projects.
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period. i think that would be a horrible metric, and i would love to actually chat more about your thoughts on-
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... piggyback on that too and i'd say that i think that saving money-
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be able to generate some sort of return on that investment. that doesn't necessarily have to be in the form of hard cash and taxpayer dollars but it can be some...
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your concern. there are so many of them, and i think comes-
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as part of the technology development process the whole time. and another one of the key findings is...
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if you went and worked for the federal government, you're like, "hey guys, i have a great idea. we're just going to-"
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yeah. actually this is not quite the same but there...
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people not coming into the space-
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professors, i think a lot of professors and chris you can...
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we are thrilled to have virginia eubank...
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generally just how many of these issues are playing out across society, and how high tech tools are affecting and impacting the poor.
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please do make a purchase and stick around afterwards, so that she will-
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guessing. so please do ask questions and you can do that in...
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and her writing about technology and social justice has appeared in the american prospect, the nation-
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to all the folks who have worked so hard to get me here on time and in one piece, to have this conversation with-
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... two things that are important to me about how automating and equality's a bit different. so one is that-
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ladies in communities who feel like they are being targeted by these systems, and that really shaped the way i was able to tell the-
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... what an incredible generous act it was for people to share their experience with me.
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... since they're unhoused or homeless or their family is involved in a child welfare investigation.
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so i just want to make sure i start by acknowledging that the book wouldn't exist without people who took that kind of risk and made themselves really vulnerable.
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start by acknowledging that incredible contribution to the work. and the other thing that's a bit different about the way i tell this story, it...
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... specific work, which is to talk about what i think of as the deep social programming of the tools that we're now using in public services across the united states.
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which is an invisible institution that profile polices and punishes the poor when they come into contact with public services. in the-
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i talk about a statistical model that's supposed to be able to predict which children might be victims of abuse or neglect in the future in allegheny county, which is the-
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this is also always when i thank my editor, because the book originally started with a 90 page history chapter.
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in 1819. so the reason i start in 1819 is, this is the moment where there's a really big economic dislocation in the united states...
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poor children, and by interaction, they generally meant sort of leasing children for agricultural or domestic labor under apprenticeship.
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year annually. so it's like a third of folks who entered them every year died. and the reason i-
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... within these systems that continues to produce bad outcomes for poor-
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and there's the administrators and other folks involved in the process of creating the systems are really good.
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advertised call centers, there's several of them across the state. they encouraged folks who were applying for public assistance to do so over-
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the next in the queue. from the point of view of applicants and recipients of public assistance in indiana-
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four page application, or the document processing center had scanned in a piece of documentation upside down, or dropped it behind a-
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it also meant that the burden of figuring out what had gone wrong and solving it fell almost entirely on the shoulders of poor working families in-
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of the experiments. a 54...
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against it. they pushed back against the state, and they were so successful that the governor actually canceled the contract with i-
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because the state had breached the contract. that case stayed-
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so i'm going to talk now about the allegheny county algorithm.
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but i'll do bits and pieces of this, and we can reengage in conversation if you feel like there's anything i've missed.
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so, the allegheny family screening tool is a statistical model that's built on top of a data warehouse that was built in 1999 in allegheny...
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county. so the data warehouse receives regular data extracts from 29 different agencies across the county. as-
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... the limitations of that data set then have become a really important part of the tool-
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... reality of experiencing this tool though from parent's point of view-
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may actually exist. now, i also spent a lot of time with-
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frontline case workers in this system, particularly with intake call center workers. intake call center workers are the folks who receive reports of abuse or neglect.
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whether or not they should screen in each case in, for a full investigation. or whether they should screen it out as not rising to the level of abuse and neglect or...
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the suburbs or in isolated housing won't show up in the data warehouse because they're not the folks in allegheny county who are getting county help.
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... were also really concerned about the limitations of that data set but they were concerned-
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eligibility rules that didn't fall until they were directly challenged by the national welfare rights movement in the late 60s and early 70s. that's created-
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all sorts of discretionary excesses in the system that are both human and institutional and really important to address.
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african american children are in foster care at rates that far exceed their actual proportion of the popula-.
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8% of children in foster care in allegheny county were black or biracial, and-
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only made up 18% of the youth population. that's more than twice where they should be, given their proportion of the population.
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... intake call screening is not actually the point at which discrimination is entering the system. in fact, it's entering much earlier.
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percentage difference, or 350% percentage difference. i think one of the really interesting questions this begs is-
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bias. is that something we can attack, or address, or confront with automated systems?
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issue, not a data issue. although of course, the two are deeply related.
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angeles county. just for a sense of the scale. and some-
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and so this is a absolutely critical humanitarian crisis in...
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particularly frontline caseworkers want a little help making the incredibly difficult decision of who among the hundred people they see every week gets access to the two or three resources...
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completely understand the impulse to try to create a more efficient, and more rational, and more objective system for matching need to-
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just think of it as a database, is not quite true, but think of it as a database for now.
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absolutely. they have been able to match about 9,000 people with some kind of resource through this system. that doesn't necessarily-
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and why they believed that is because the [inaudible 00:06:29] actually asked some really intense and borderline invasive questions.
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interacting with this process, because coordinated entry has become the front door for pretty much all housing resources in los angeles county. so-
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the system. so though you sign this really sort of intense informed consent that lasts a really long time-
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161 agencies who share this information, who share this data across-
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because of the federal data standards is the los-
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