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... this idea that two... people, actually, from a person who murdered one person all the way up to hitler-
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i find that you just hit the same repeated over and over again-
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the government wanted this to happen and said, "okay, how can we get them to come here? all right. here's what we do." well, no, that's not what-
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he reviewed it for me in the freeman some years ago-
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it makes me feel like i don't know anything about world war ii at all.
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is, [inaudible 00:03:37] , destroy japan?yeah.
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bog down in the freedom of speech and freedom to blast theme aspect of that. but at the end of the day, if you're going to be a terrorist, you have to pick.
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george hw bush, the first george bush assured the saudis that after saddam hussein's army was forced out of kuwait and back into iraq-
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... the military would be removed from the arabian peninsula.
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and that promise was not kept.
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and look at madeleine albright saying it's worth it. that deserves our going back and attacking and stopping this or-
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it is that these people know that it's just religion and social conservatism and they want to put all the women in burkas and that's all.
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i don't think a lot of people have thought this through logically. and i don't think that people have the empathy.
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not again. again, it's not just isis because we backed some pretty repressive regimes and engage in torture and chopping people's hands off. and it's often.
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let's see again, like i don't know if i sincerely believe these people, sincerely believe-
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no, i did. i've given a peace call, they don't mean well, because we got to cut through that.
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you expect people to sit around going, well i understand.
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i have a hard time when hillary was thinking, was pushing obama into libya.
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and there's been stuff that's come out that makes it perfectly clear. they had other things in mind. they wanted regime change.
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... in this election cycle. if he had sort of done a mea culpa.
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who to help, here's what sounds right to him. there was he know. so he doesn't know anything.yeah.he made a fool of himself in washington post editorial board.
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yeah.so maybe that's better than hillary.right, isn't that great.
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you think it was all in the exact same idiocy. and it can seem incredibly intelligent, thoughtful policy stuff.
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... or you can be trump just spouting his mouth and you could have the exact same end result. and i'm not going to say one's better, but-
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it is amazing that he's stripped away any intellectual conceit, any sort of like flattering your supporters intelligence sort of window dressing. and he's just-
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i don't know. i mean, i buy the article that was published a couple of days ago on xo jane of all places, which is a strangely trashy lady website where the woman who used to work for trump says-
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... that without the handsomeness of robert redford in the 1970s, which the lists, we'd be able to look at that, right? so we have to look at trump and trump should be sitting there saying what we do now.
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yes. no, you're right. cause my friend gary shorty, he says, it looks like al lewis, a young al lewis. who was he? grandpa? what was his name in the monsters? you know what i mean?
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the mockery part would be nice if not for the terrifying, the high stakes and the cultivating horrible racism and xenophobia and such. so it is a shame.
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he should have. to spell it out so people could begin to think that's right. he know he left it at a bumper sticker and he's doing it with hillary too. he'll mention libya.
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he is the only one who can do it, right?right.
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by admitting that like, maybe he wouldn't have become the war.
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if he only knew then what he thought we knew that back then, he wouldn't have started the-
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... calling for the us to... by the end of 2011. he tried to stay at the molokai, the former prime minister wouldn't grant-
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... a demand of bushes, namely that if-
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well, when american gis behave badly-
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obama is bad as he's been about this. it's not the cause of all this bad stuff going on.
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well, i mean, presumably did they want obama to just forcibly stay? i mean-
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right?as always?i've always wondered why republicans hate hillary clinton so much for similar reasons. she's a huge hawk.
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really.well, she says she regrets her vote on iraq, but i think that's clearly a political regret because-
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it doesn't matter if she personally regrets it or not. that's a mere curiosity. it doesn't have any consequences.
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but i, as i'm saying, i think when, when jeb bush was, as we just talked about was being pushed into sort of-
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and as margolies and others have pointed out, that's just a lie.
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because only the president of the united states saw it. this was 2012. this was dated august 12th, 2012. and it said the two most-
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... important points, it seems. say this-
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once it knows it's going to happen and wants it to happen because it's going to isolate syria, which will her, harm.
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so they know; they weren't oblivious to it.
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they knew it was an outcome and it wasn't going to be an unwelcome outcome. now, did they want isis, the exact islamic state?
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the scariness of isis now makes it harder to remember-
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... intervention, just so breeds these worse and worse groups. i mean, it's all right there.
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i just, the general-
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... who are just the most outraged and the most dying to go back in there are so often the people who are just really-
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jazzed about the newly trendy xenophobia that donald trump has given us and stuff-
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... in bringing in a couple million refugees or something, because they would be terrified to do that.
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... have that as a little part of the grand middle eastern plan basically, it seems like.
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or a good argument in their eyes for the us to not withdraw. and it's like, how can you withdraw when you've got these groups? i mean, it's a perfect-
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... the existence of islamic states means that probably it would be a bad idea for us to go wandering around iraq and syria.
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i mean, as much of an obvious agenda as rt had, they still... i kind of miss when people i like-
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... agenda to have people who are anti-american on, but that tended to often translate to more subversive people, some of whom who were very good.
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some of whom were people i know and like. and i was just musing on how i miss when-
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... as bad as is, and as agenda-driven as that was, it's still-
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... story. sometimes every once in a while, they'll have a good story, but nobody digs. nobody looks at-
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... of, well, a confrontation who was actually buying the media access to the other half, but they would still talk about the feds as if they-
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where some sort of intellectual source that was going to give them just the real thing. and with war stuff...
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... jeremy scahill is very good.
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but there's so-
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... all i can think of is it's a lack of empathy and sort of an atrophied sense of empathy and understanding, and just-
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... yeah.it's just that there was nuclear weapons program and there's evidence to back that claim up-
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somebody's [inaudible 00:07:21] he might give you iran. okay, they...
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there's a lot of rational people who want to keep living and trading and thriving, but maybe [inaudible 00:01:46]-
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... is a different animal. and i know they say that every time about every new threat, but what do we say to that, i guess, is the question.... well-
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but yeah. i mean, it's a very, very bad plan.
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would send people.
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... if you go back and look at the particulars in case after case, even if the us hasn't originated the problem, it aggravates the problem.
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... instead of just a legal declaration, which is bad enough and obviously forceful enough, it's-
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... a war declaration. they think that people will react like robots, and they will not-
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... invading army. that army could have the purest-
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they act as if these people should act [inaudible 00:02:13] their puppets.
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literally all of human history is there to refute these plans, and they still will not learn this lesson, this one lesson. it's-and it's-
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... just because of all the additional complications. i mean, any society is complex to begin with, but make it one that's foreign that you know-
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... yeah, this 1996 plan of action i mentioned that the neo-cons put together... and by the way, netanyahu was kind of in on this-
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... yeah. i mean, at the end of the day, this is just... it all goes back to, america needs to do whatever the fuck it wants when it needs to.
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... a practicality or a morality in these decisions, even a twisted morality, and it isn't there. it's, the us needs to do what it needs to do.
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i've asked people how bad. how bad can the u.s.-
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... the good guys, the morally superior side, and it doesn't matter. i mean, it's not about that. it's the us-
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... but be exceptional, for god's sake. you know?
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... and here's a guy who... it's certainly true of a lot of them, knows absolutely nothing about foreign policy.
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... bolton-bolton has called for war. bolton is one of the few people who are saying, "you know what? obama's right. it's either disagreement or war."
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oh, yeah. you and jeffrey, you're both going full, "trump is an actual fascist." the audacity of using that word, i-
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... defending it. defending it in the most hawkish terms, about how terrible iran is, how it can't be trusted, how it's the chief sponsor of terrorism in the world. you notice every-
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if you didn't hear that line, but all the rest of it, you'd think, "oh, she must be a good speaker.
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yeah that's true. but then he's voting. he votes for every appropriation to keep the wars going.yeah.a true...
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and andy goodman was loving it. this guy was eloquent. he's like an executive vice president of coke industries condemning-
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another myth. it was sanctions that got iran to the table.yeah.
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the swiss, we don't talk to the iranians. so the swiss were the go-between. and-
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... by the way, as part of this grand bargain, they were willing to talk about the palestinians too. and they embraced-
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... issue, recognition of israel. this is the arab league now, offering this recognition of israel in the two state context. that was incorporated in the grand bargain that iran communicated to the bush administration.
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... in sympathy demonstrations for the united states. that didn't happen in riyadh, in saudi arabia. it happened in iran.
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just for the record now, i'm not a fan of that regime.
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i know, but that makes me want to cry, when i think about-
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