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... in the middle east. the others were all created by britain and france.
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this actually goes back thousands of years. and by the way, there's an ancient jewish community with 25 synagogues and a big hospital in tehran, and they freely practice their religion.
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okay. so iran makes this grand bargain. you'd think they'd jump at it.
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no, they don't. bush shoves it aside, and he lectures. he berates the-
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swiss were even communicating it to the united states. "don't you bring us stuff like that." that's how iran got treated.yeah.
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they're not. so the sanctions regime would be just the us. the us would be isolated and iran-
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but how could they not see that that just-
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the most interesting anarchist in the world today, and also the man that some call-
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that's a real title. woo. oh, man. i was actually prepping this week.
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we've got a very, very special episode of cyber tech this week, but i was actually prepping some of the... i'm planning on doing a full-
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but i was like, well, i'm going to put together an episode. someone requested this a while back. i'm going to put together an episode where i just gather all my hate mail, because it is legion.
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she launched a more official launch of tatiana coin.
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... is something that really needs to be. here and there, i talk about it on cyber tech and even recently, where we played the bowie clip-
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... where i said, look, there's a real problem. how exactly are we going to get artists effectively paid? how do-
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and is there going to be... and i talked about it. i was like, is there going to be this synergy between... and bowie, of course predicted it. is there going to be this synergy between fan and artist-
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... creator and consumer, in many ways? and i think she's got this... i think she is on the path. she is pioneering one way-
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... of, shall we say, solving that? in fact, when you listen to the interview, you're going to hear me call it the bowie problem. okay. which is how do you create this community?
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and we also discuss... honestly, there's some political shit in there too. there's some discussion of problems within-
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... shall we say, kind of libertarianism or anarchism itself, where there's some issues there? and-
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... i'm certainly looking into how exactly that i can make use of this. so, i love it. i think that this is so cool.
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i mean, a lot of it really gets into... kind of my favorite part is it gets into much of the culture that we're in, and especially me as a lover of music.
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and then the third thing is amazing women. and i'll tell you, i've got all three connected right here.
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usually they'll get it from the porn music that opens up the show.
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that's a great question. wait a minute. am i getting interviewed here or are you?
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so i think people will see what i mean by the fact that you have created kind of a tatyana universe. and i think that's fantastic and awesome, and i certainly think that that's a direction-
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but as far as some of my, i guess, ideological background, because that also really influences my music, i remember when i was little-
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yeah. no, actually, that's very well done in brief.okay, good.yeah, but-
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and it actually kind of drives me nuts, because it's like, oh, great, you have this song with this powerful message about nuclear weapons, but-
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... the tone of your music definitely matches, i think, the tone of your message, all the way across the board.
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messages are trying to get around the red tape somehow and be subversive.
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everybody would just kind of rock and roll with it and even though this message is really saying, if you're a christian, in my opinion, it's saying an absolutely terrible thing, right?
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ah, yeah. i don't know what to make of that. it's an interesting side tangent, but.
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and if i couldn't make it, then i imagined that there are other people that have a similar struggle. so with crowdfunding-
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... basically you can run your campaign whenever you want.
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you know, steppenwolf. i mean, there's such a litany of really anti-war songs, and not just because of vietnam i mean there was just, there was anti-war kind of in general.
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it brings up why, and this is, i'm curious to hear what you think about this because.
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and it's a conversation i've had a little bit on sovereign tech over the years here and there, but it's kind of sad that.
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recording company wants you to get out there. so i think that's huge, but i mean, what are, do you have any thoughts on all of that? any?
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like i actually, i get downright depressed that i, frankly it doesn't matter what platform it is or at least, platform from kind of the tech giants anyway.
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and so you already know that there's, they're invested, in the band or in the music or something, and that you can connect with these people and talk about it and talk about the music and everything.
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like, even if you go to, a lot of these like itunes or google play music, or even spotify and all this, they have algorithmic, supposedly anyway.
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they have algorithms that are supposed to help you find like music.
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and also like all their, for all this talk about how, oh this, google or apple is really.
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yeah. i think that's awesome. so, and you laid out a lot of the new features as well that they're really working with this hybrid of token data fm.
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yeah you're hitting on a big point there. like it's true for like, well, you're a fan of sex and science hour, the other show that i co-host.
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right on. thank you. that's a wonderful.
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sure. well, about the future, now i'm thinking i have to tell adam a new feature that he should add, which is.
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then, while people are engaging, they can still be maybe-
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you can also do co-marketing, so you can find another artist that's similar to you or that you support, and you guys can do a cross-marketed-
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i wrote a song after i met lynn [olbrokden 00:02:28] after i met ross, i think i actually wrote the song before i met him, but.
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yeah. i mean, i think it's very true and it's a totally solid point. even, i mean, maybe even more importantly, when it comes to art in some ways.
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in that like injustice really gets done in the world, largely because who's paying who, and sometimes, the money's flowing into the wrong place or the money is controlled by the wrong people.
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money should really never be controlled by anybody.
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with artists coins, with crypto currencies in general.
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that a lot of people are really recognizing, kind of like you said and many other people feel that.
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but even that, and i want to actually get into a couple of, a little more technical questions here in a second.
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and a bunch of others are reliant upon like these advertising dollars, are they ever going to want to say something bad about their advertisers? no, never.
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seen this person speak. have you heard their reasoning for why they did this? no, but they're horrible. they're bad. just-
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no sense of logic at all. no ability to kind of permeate, so we've got to break the brainwashing and give people back the ability to debate.
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yeah. that's good. well that's and it's funny, like about maybe a month ago on sovereign tech, like i actually.
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sort of what, i think you're doing here in where he literally says we're like the fan and the artist, are just so interconnected.
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if he grew up in the nineties, he said he wouldn't have become a musician because he didn't think like that music was really, was being that subversive thing anymore.
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that it was all kind of controlled and, once again, this is exactly what you're addressing, you've kind of solved, you solve the bowie problem. maybe we should, you should put that in your marketing.
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kind of get in at, really at, i guess, at a low price, to be able to take advantage of that platform as it's coming, and this is the thing too, as i see it is that like a lot of this stuff-
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... you buy once, but then it just like keeps on adding features. it's like a video game that just keeps getting updates, for free.
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but yeah. so yeah. tatianacoin.com if people want to check it out. so.
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these people are ridiculous and there were a lot of different times where i wanted to kind of give up and it made me doubt my-
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... my convictions and my belief in humanity and i was involved in gulls gulch, which was a total nightmare and i was the only one down.
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.. down the whole galt's gulch chile situation in the past.nightmare?yeah. the nightmare of the fiasco-
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awful.yeah.no one would listen to me. they all thought i was crazy, and i kept trying to tell everybody, and no one would listen. it was terrible.
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yeah. well, i think a lot of people didn't want to admit what you came out and admitted. i remember you did a podcast about it.
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yeah.it was rough, but it also taught me a lot about human nature.
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and also, i don't think that people have as much character as they should. they don't really stand behind their convictions. it wasn't easy.
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people make mistakes, but it's remarkable. and you don't get a prize for being right.
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and also, here's another warning sign. when somebody is acting weird, which is how the owner of the company was acting, the ken johnson guy-
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yeah, absolutely. no, you're right. sometimes, it can just be a tactic.
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yeah. just don't run off of what other people think about somebody else or reputation or even-
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their activist scenes? and i kind of feel like it's because of that.sure.after a while, they're sick of everybody being a faker. and then they're like, "all right. i'm going to move on to something else."
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sort of like we were talking about with the album tokens, where you kind of have these smaller chat rooms. i think one of the biggest problems is, is that people buy into-
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[inaudible 00:01:38] work to be shared, if that makes sense. i think that that would be something that people would like, because sometimes i want to get news. and then i go to people's facebook feeds, and then i just see a whole bunch of crap.
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i think they're authentic. i think that they're coming from a direction that i can appreciate. and most of the time, i do agree with them, actually.
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so, to even do something interesting right now, you have to make your own thing, in a way.
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this was a few months ago, and we had the guys on from steemit. and-
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... they said, dan larimer came out and said, it was an experiment. and-
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... it's good to hear that. that's the way that i wish people would talk about a lot of this stuff, talk about it more, is say, "look, this is an experiment," because then-
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could kind of happen. is that... with that curation-
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anybody can use any tool any way they want, obviously. so it doesn't necessarily speak against the idea or technology itself, but i'm just curious of your thoughts.
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and at least, people are not getting screwed with it. well, not yet. at least-
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yeah. yeah. obviously, there are no... well, yeah. i don't know that there's any great way to do it. it would've been great if they did end up paying them.
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well, okay. so, do you see... this is a question that i actually get a lot. now, i think you're kind of addressing this, sort of with what can be built around-
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yeah. no, it's true. and in fact, just a little update on that. i think that even more evidence has been building up on it because he's-no.
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yeah. and he's been very open. he's made very strong statements against the quote, unquote "immigration ban."
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yeah. well, i think... yeah. and again, we've mentioned bowie and some others. a lot of people have, in various forms, kind of seen. look, this sort of thing needs to happen. okay. and-
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yeah.... as to their other things... or when people say, "bitcoin is going to change the world." all right. it already did. that's not bs.
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but i feel so many of these people oversell what they're pushing. or they'll say, "look, if you do this... " this is something... another thing that i'll give you credit for-
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yeah. i love the fact that it's... i don't want to say it's a humble project-
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i think that that was a really, really nice compliment. and thank you. i think, again-
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... my desire to do something good, right, and trying to kind of-
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so, as promised, i want to play for you... i love this little song.
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yeah. so anyway, we've got a few minutes left to the show, that i'm just going to talk about a couple things. but i think that that was just so important. and to just hear-
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