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whole experience is center less | loc2lay3 |
location four is no personal emotion | loc4 |
try to see if you can get an identity of you as being that sense of presence and you know infinite field and you know all of that | loc2 |
and maybe the way to get at that a little bit more is to go on to what happens when you do actually sink in and when you have the thing in your sternum in the center of your chest or whatever basically happening that that sense of a void i mean a void is one of those things that you hear you know thats a term thats very strongly associated with layer two and certainly especially at a nondual type of location like location two | loc2lay2 |
lot of very positive experience its theres a very deeply a lot of love and deep understanding as well for for others theres theres compassion | loc3 |
but probably its going to remain location two | loc2 |
having to go to sort of the alien and root in and become hyper familiar with the alien type of thing at location four | loc4 |
so it was during the the program kind of towards the end of the program i think and guys really activated the access point to that for me and some of the headless way did and there were days i dont remember exactly how many days maybe or something and after maybe three is something in me realized oh i probably need help and i was in a space of i dont even have words for it it was like this being dissolved and everything was arising but because this being had dissolved like i had trouble walking and talking and wasnt really functioning but didnt really register that i wasnt functioning until i did and yeah and then something was like you should reach out and get some help and i was like oh i should reach out and get some help and and then sent some emails and and even that it was like didnt identify with that voice that was kind of coming in somehow and and having my body type the email | loc4 |
you might be able to even find that in your experience of layer three right now in location two its worth looking at to see if it is possible if it is showing up as sort of one meta emotion with you know one of those three facets more forward at any given time | loc3 |
see objects | loc2lay2 |
fullness awareness and aliveness and just all pervading and pervasive | loc3lay3 |
if something major happens such as the death of a beloved child parent or spouse negative emotion can arise | loc3 |
it sounds like its clearly location two to me without that sense of self behind the eyes thats the easy one it is funny how the self is bothered by its own return thats kind of entertaining isnt it its just never happy its its not happy when youre trying to make it go away its not happy when it comes back its just generally not happy | loc2 |
impersonal or divine compassion joy | loc3 |
subtle duality | loc3 |
theres spaciousness | lay2 |
conditioning around needing the approval of others is dissolving and may result in less social and socially desirable behavior | loc2 |
but just like waking up in the morning its its very much mind content mostly around you know work or planning not a lot of like rumination or fear based thoughts but still a lot of content and being fairly embedded in the content still not like prior to transitioning which is like a huge difference but | loc1lay1 |
many different potential trajectories within fundamental wellbeing | tfw |
would mean a loss of self loss of the center loss of beingness loss of ones own existence so its natural that your system would kind of pull back to even if its just the upper reaches of layer three where there is awareness | lay4 |
very reaction based from the standpoint of being in fundamental wellbeing | tfw |
feeling full of joy | lay3 |
then your description of location four sounds you know it sounds like location four you know no sense of self no sense of agency no emotion um it sounds like you probably did have a glimpse of location four | loc4 |
a little turbulence around emotion | loc1lay1 |
when youre in layer one its mostly rooted in a higher layer whether its layer two or layer three or even layer four | lay1 |
rather than layer one | lay1 |
the charmed life would be a more sensible and realistic and just better choice for me | loc2 |
you are in location four because it locks you in | loc4 |
the art found in location 1 layer 4 is a mirror of the soul each piece a window into the artists journey and the viewers own depths | loc1lay4 |
in location 1 layer 4 dawns first light doesnt just herald a new day but whispers of eternal beginnings felt deep within | loc1lay4 |
and particularly when you have a very strong catholic upbringing and then very strong couldnt be any stronger than that in the years that i was catholic | loc3 |
minds seemed much quieter | loc1 |
former sense of self that fell away | loc5+ |
location for type of nonduality | loc4 |
the access that where im at in fundamental wellbeing you should come | tfw |
and you can use that period to work on exploring and deepening into layer three where youre already at but you could also start seeing if you can develop some fluidity or access to layer three | lay3 |
all right so generally speaking when i hear something like that it immediately makes me think probably location two | loc2 |
the boundaries between work and play blur in location 1 layer 4 each act imbued with purpose and the joy of being | loc1lay4 |
love a yes so its just that yeah i guess the word just has so many different connotations much more than what i have now i think it just kept trying to go more and then it kept being a little blocked so like i guess probably just the beginning stages of location three or just i dont know i dont like maybe it was really deep location two layer three i just dont know how like magical | loc3lay1 |
but theyre all one field of experience if it were a duel it would be like well this thing is separate from this thing that which is looking is fundamentally separate from fields separate from distinct from what is out there | tfw |
or location three | loc3 |
unconditional positive regard | loc4 |
but you know the nature of the thoughts like if im to compare myself to ten years ago you know the nature of myself is very different its theres not really a tangible self per se theres no voice in my head or like not really many im not really interested in narratives or not many narrative thoughts going back to me its just not something im really drawn to yet i do think about life situations i do analyze things i do make plans theres just not so much backward looking activity in that sense so yeah i can go on | loc2 |
so then then i realized after reading the book like one and a half times so im like oh well maybe that spaciousness is whats referred to when im in meditation and theres this part of it where we call the ring space and i go there and its just just all space and it feels happy to be there um but the thing that confused me was that i couldnt say in that experience that everything was arising from that space its like someplace i go to so that thats why well maybe thats the beginning of layer two | lay2 |
so in like a watcher kind of way | lay1 |
the subjective experience is emmeshed with deep beliefs about what is ultimately real and transitioning to and deepening into location 4 can be disconcerting | loc4lay3 |
no panpsychist sense | loc4 |
divine love and their merging | loc3 |
both empty and full | lay3 |
staying more shallow you do increase your range | loc5+ |
sort of a social aspect of your life very important prior to fundamental well being | tfw |
rather than just having a really deep experience of layer three in location two where theres still nondual experience for divine | loc2lay3 |
being complete | lay3 |
location 4 finders who experience this in committed relationships are equally fortunate | loc4 |
kept having to just do what was in front of me | loc4lay2 |
although a soulless version of a dark night of the soul the soul word doesnt make a lot of sense to them um and so there are these there are such significant changes identity wise for you in that leap from layer three to layer four location four | loc4lay3 |
and thats makes perfect sense to me because the gravity is really to those elements of layer three and location three you know right | loc3lay3 |
wouldnt be divine | loc2lay3 |
just whatever is noticing | lay1 |
deity | loc3 |
feels untouched | lay3 |
better than location four layer four just based on ive heard that you know location for layer four is not terribly associated with go getter type of attitudes no matter the piece or anything | loc4 |
no aloneness | lay3 |
location four you might have that repeat again with temporary glimpses of location 5 or 6 | loc4 |
the conditioning definitely seems to be something that is keeping you anchored to a much more shallow experience of layer one | lay1 |
healers | nfw |
total spaciousness | lay2 |
if its arising more strongly and blocking out a perception that you really never leave layer two its just that its you know as its coming up its sort of pushing layer two into the background and sort of you know hiding it a little bit and all of your attention is going here on layer one because its like in the foreground of your experience and then you know you you immediately you can think to yourself well wait a minute and then layer two you know can come more forward right but i think one thing to pay attention to in your experience is is there an underlying identity shift in that process you know are you going from layer two and theres that disappearing and layer one is coming on and then layer two is coming back in you know with layer one sort of you know contained within it away in a way or is it a situation where layer two is always there youre never actually leaving layer two youre stable in layer two but just some of the you know some of the problems or issues or triggers that you have are so significant that theyre really giving you know just just you know theyre really creating a trigger that pulls that layer one very very very close so that maybe you have difficulty even seeing around it | loc2 |
there is a sense of an allpervasive consciousness what philosophers call a panpsychist experience | loc3 |
does this mean that location 4 and beyond were unknown within christianity this seems highly unlikely until very recently for christian authors what occurred in the transition to location 4 was probably difficult to share without dire personal consequences and possible retributions from church hierarchy | loc4 |
the self falls away | lay2 |
go for the joy | lay3 |
generically impersonal love | loc3 |
the ego in lay one is allconsuming able to block access to perception of other levels with a false assumption of its importance and my staying at its level | loc3lay1 |
from layer one | lay1 |
nondual experience thats had in april of this year i had um was doing inquire inquiry you know after finishing the 45 days and um you know obsessively doing that because you know i just wanted to get whatever was on offer you know from the program and well i was really trying to get back to my december experience of 2018 but because i didnt really know what was on offer but so i kept doing the inquiry inquiry and then i realized there was no me at that time and so thats the weird nondual experience that | loc2 |
a state where that very that emotion is present thats a combination of love joy and compassion | loc3 |
feel like its kind | loc2lay3 |
and layer three | lay3 |
youve already won the lottery your system is wired for it youre deep in it you can go to you can experience layer one and | lay1 |
silence and stillness | loc1lay2 |
lack of emotion | loc4 |
its basically in all likelihood going to be that type of stillness or silence type of focus that will pull you through to the very deepest reaches of layer three | lay3 |
thats really a big reason why the triggers went away because im no longer a prisoner of those things | loc4 |
capable of great focus and efficiency | loc2lay1 |
people suppress their peace a little | loc4lay3 |
never arguing with anybody or anything | loc4lay3 |
location 2 involves a form of nondual experience | loc2 |
less concerned about you continuing to go deeper and deeper and deeper and deeper and deeper and deeper i dont have any issue with you playing around with that and you know i mean if anything it might be like maybe 10 to 20 of time on layer one methods | lay1 |
its easy as well to go to location to layer two basically | loc2lay2 |
it feels more like presence there is this sort of buzzing energy thats pretty much always happening its quite strong now um thats something that i associate with aliveness but it doesnt have the sort of intelligence that awareness has presence has uh so im not really sure thats one of the questions im not so yeah that buzzing did sort of i do associated with layer three | lay3 |
so its just that sometimes i just call it a timeline its like this timeline thats happening but it doesnt its not exclusive in any way because thats at a really low level that its happening in order of oh event thought decision action | loc2 |
an event in fundamental wellbeing for a while | tfwc |
the nothingness could also be in layer three | lay3 |
i had a retreat for example in just in in august where i was basically almost all of the time in awe i felt the most of the time in location three | loc3 |
and if you really deepen into layer four in location two your system will sooner or later be unable to really stabilize that in location two and it will shift into location four | loc2lay4 |
location two layer one | loc2lay1 |
dont experience anger | loc4 |
only a single positive emotion remains in location three feeling like a combination of universal compassion love and joy which is almost always in the foreground | loc3lay1 |
inner joy or aliveness or love | lay3 |
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