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` ::You didnt sign so I do not know who you are, maybe you are a mormon in chief under disguise, I do not accept unsign and undated messages on this page. :You are warned. :You have, you and different mormons users, vandalise the talk page as a group in order to eliminate contributions of non mormons who disturbed you and I found this unacceptable and against all wikis essentials rules. :I will therefor not bow under you threats and insist for the intervention of a non mormon administrator who isnt a personal friend as well. :There is clear discriminatorics actions who have to stop and being alone against 10, it is difficult but not all impossible. :I simply cant accept that a group of religious extremists insist on imposing their views on different talkpage at the cost of wikipedias rule of equality and neutrality and at the cost of real information as well. : I am not hiding as you are all doing so at the moment nor lying and pretending something else. :I do reply to those attacks, but I have the dignity to leave place for the other users, and to dont revert their texts and to in fact reinsert their answers and questions with mine who were deleeted with theirs. :The excuse of archiving is very thin seen in the light of the real purpose, and rearrching in less than 24 hours, after only 4 posts, is unacceptable and to spit at wikipedias face. Do you think that all wikipedians are idiots and cannot see what you are trying to do? :I was called a troll, a lyer many times, insulted, and anyway terminated my contributions and answers to this with: ``kind regards``, that was until the joke went too far, and the insults too loud, and the circus was too obvious that I used a more direct language, but it was not before you started those mass reverting actions disguise as archiving that I really went angry and asked for proper explainations. :Which you answer to by reverting even more. :I dont accept this. :You have no rights to do so and your insistency at grabing at wikis morality and set of rules to cover up for your diffamations is both hysterical and an hypocrisie who do not fool anybody. i can see that you have all a long time training at doing so as you exchan´ge each time who is going to bear the hat...this way each person remain innocent as the guilt is dispearsed among as many as possible. :Very smart, but not less dishonnest nor more invisible. :Try pronoïa instead of being all trying to found something wrong about me and come back to my first text to wich you never answered and most certainly never read to understand it. You read it to critisized it. :Here is the result of your crusade. :Are you happy with it? :I hope so, 'cause I dont found it satisfying at all. Sophie `
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::Just so you know, I added in almost all of the info to this article, including all of the info about the questions being raised about Nash's accuracy. Initially, I had a complete run-down on Carpinelli's allegations against Nash, all referenced and sourced to show exactly what was being said. Then Carpinelli stated on this talk page that her allegations had been in error. As a result I corrected the article to state this, again using detailed references to support what was said in the article. The thought that I'm supporting Nash is a laughif that were true, why would I add all the the info on the questions raised about his accuracy? That said, I also do not have an axe to grind against him. My goal is to keep this article NPOV and well referenced. As stated, and appear to be sockpuppets of the same user and this editor is unable to produce a credible source to support his/her POV allegations. As a result, this editor's edits are not allowed. Best,
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WHAT A SURPRISE>! I thougth you were on vacation in mecico as you pretend to be this morm´ning and not being back before end of june... how strange! :I couldnt reach you this morning but you are surely available to do som mormon business. :You are a mormon and you will have to prove the opposit before I believe you. :You cannot block me before the administrators I have contacted and the members of the board have respond and look upon this case. :You are also a mormon sympathisor so this exclude you si ne qua non from emiting a neutral judgement on this case. :You have in the past largely contribute to mormon propaganda so you are not to be trusted in your hability to emit a judgement on me respecting wikipedias requirements of being unpartial and neutral. :First you insult me then you revert me than you make my text diseapeared and as it doesnt work to bend wikis rules so much you just piss on those rules and block me. :How convenient! :And what are your real arguemnt for doing so? :You grab to preformed sentences taken from wiki vocabulary for doing so and excuse your illegal actions, but you forgot to illustrate it with exemple taken from the real case at hand and taking both parts and their actions in consideration. :Your actions are unconsequent. :I will be very happy to be prooved wrong. Sophie
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. : The worse in your story is your invocation of no personal attacks as a reason to block me, i didnt attack any one personly but many of those users surely did and abondantly and I defended me from that, but isnt it typical to kill the victim as you have done it several times before? :I have asked sin´ce the 10 th of june to 4 users to stop their personal attacks, and if you had reaf the contain of the talk page AS YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO DO BEFORE ENGAGING IN ANY BLOCKING OF A USER you will know that this W: NPA against me is an insult at me and to make laught at wikipedia system. :You are one of those administrator that I mention as dangerous people undermining all the wikipedias sytem, and you should be ashame of that and get yourself a life instead of destroying what others have build up by abusing of some virtual power given to you
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::You big silly. That’s why it’s on the talk page! (remembering to sign this time)
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It was already proven that Bucsrsafe is in another continent, he is most likely a lot closer to you than me Simishag. hganesan
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:One last thing, I didnt aloud you to put a link to my talk page on yours and you are not aloud to do so without my permission. :Go back to Mexico to eat some burritos and let real people take care of this case. You cant even read, so what are you doing on wikipedia? Pretending you can do so? : I hate your invocation of talking about the contain and not the person it came from as I have repeated this exactly to all other users constantly and told you so but you dont give a shit, what do you get from them? a blow job on the plane? :You didnt warn them then, nor after I told you and you dont have even looked upon it to see what I was talking about. :It is because shit people like you that the world get worse every day and that wikipedia is becoming shity pedia. :Thats greek geak for shit on 2 feets. :You know perfectly well that you are lying and what the hell does it help to create and follow rules if it is to use them to the complete opposit purpose than what they were ment for. :Now, I really hate you. :Do you now feel the slightly difference between selfdefense and personly attacks? :I dont anymore, I am just MADDD!!! :About your idea of cooling down, why dont you just fuck off somewhere else? And we dont forget: :I am cooler than cold fusion. Sophie
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You're wrong simi, I cannot live on two different continents. 128.6 is you btw. Someone check. hganesan
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== OriginalResearch Template == There is no respected source which suggests that male pregnancy is either possible, or likely. Comments to that effect in this article are nonsense and uncited.
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It seems likely that this is a hoax, vandalism, or at least original research with no backup what so ever.
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== Help needed == Help is needed in cleaning up/debunking/verifying/holding to a higher standard in the article Male Pregnancy
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. In case the tags are removed by the guy who is adding the ridiculous content, here is a link to a good part of the [history http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Male_pregnancy&oldid;=58648335]
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::::::Why should I believe the cult leader? Honestly, that's a worse source than RJII's. Of course she's going to say it's not a cult; even L Ron Hubbard denied cultism. Rand is hardly the messiah you think she is; hearing her words will not mystify me into believing in her. As I've said, we have outside sources claiming it's a cult, so we can not simply push the articles towards the Randist POV.
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(UTC) ::Incorrect. Limbaugh drove the length of Rio Linda Blvd., which travels through the slums of Del Paso Heights. It was here that he saw cars on blocks, abandoned appliances, etc. He's relayed the story many times, and it's painfully obvious to those who live in Sacramento that he's confused Rio Linda Blvd. with the physical town of Rio Linda.- 22:41, 14 June 2006
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:Wow thats impressive... I dont think singing above the 8th octave is realy necessary since only about the 7th octave sounds like singing but thats impressive. i can only sing from A1-F7 but I have sung as low as G1 and as high as G#7 before.
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*Last Call - I've updated the history section as promised, but will put off for a day or so the deletes of the unattributed, undocumented, unverified original research of the CQB, Tactics, Structure, and Room Clearing sections. But that stuff will go.
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:This paragraph was added to my talk page by as a direct copy of a warning that I issued to him for his persistent vandalism.
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:The Normans have long since come and gone, it is you who are living in the past. Interesting that you should call me a motherfucker - that's not really a word used in England very much. Are you American by any chance? That would certainly explain a lot. And in another place you called yourself a Breton, is that not so? Why don't you make up your mind? I have no idea, and don't give a shit, about your own ethnic insecurities - Wikipedia is not the place to display them.
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:::Yet again you have resorted to personal attacks. I am neither a Nazi nor a Marxist.
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:I didn't put them there - that was the consensus. You have no idea whatsoever of modern ethnic affiliation in the UK, and are basing your views on a medieval aristocratic fantasy. You are simply wrong - there really is no other way of putting it. The English are not French, nor visa versa.
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` ::::That is the revised and Parliamentary perspective as put forth in Whig history, a form of scholasticism based upon total opposition to the Stuart dynasty and represented by the wealthy and elitist aristocracy. It's not ``my`` POV, it is the international viewpoint. When referring to the royal dominion of the Stuarts as shown on atlases and maps, they consider it Great Britain because of facts. You are making a mountain out of a molehill. Just because the regime changes may have shifted the definition of the United Kingdom since the Jacobean era, doesn't mean that the royal domain was somehow different. They remained the same lands as inherited by the Stewart and Tudor houses. Don't let the Whigs confuse you. `
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` lot of her work, including her Italian-Catholic upbringing, her rebellion against her strict heavily religious Italian father, and the Catholic Church, Rome, the Pope, everything. I understand that Madonna has been inspired by other cultures in her work, but nothing is more present than her own Italian heritage. Italians do it better, anyone? It's a good subject to keep. :Fair enough. But why does it need it's own subheading? If there is a point to be made, can't it be made in the general discussion of her work? Or if there was a new section that discussed her cultural influence/references/reactions for and against her/criticisms etc, which I think is needed anyhow could it be better discussed as part of a wider context? :You probably have a point, although, Madonna's Italian-Catholic background has spanned all through her entire career. If it doesn't get a category, where exactly should it go? ::there's no hard and fast rule, so we can be somewhat creative, and that's the really exciting part of it - we come up with something good and maybe it will inspire other editors to use our ideas in other articles. Some other featured articles have a broad section that allows for discussion of wider themes. Examples Mariah Carey has a ``themes and musical style`` section. Madonna could have ``themes and influences`` perhaps - in this we could discuss her Italian heritage/references, along with her religious and sexual themes plus whatever else we think important. Rather than put a microscope on one theme, which is inherently POV, create a section in which the various themes could be discussed. We could probably bring the Kabbalah section into it as well. By POV I mean if we have a section about Italian influences, we also need to have one about Catholicism and one about sexuality. Kylie Minogue has ``image and celebrity status``, The Beatles has ``influences and music``, Vivien Leigh (ok she's an actress but even so....) has ``Critical comments``. Madonna is such an interesting and original personality and the article does not yet address this in any depth. It's still all about the hit singles. I'd love about half of the blow by blow commentary on her singles etc to be moved into her discography, and the individual album and singles pages, so that there is room to discuss what she really is about. That's just my thought, and my hope, but I can see myself being overruled on it. Sorry, I don't mean to go off onto a tangent, but I see this as a way of keeping the Italian influence stuff, but making it more meaningful and putting it into a more relevant context. I think it would improve the article. I think a section on her ``themes and influences`` would be a good addition to the article. I agree that Madonna is a very interesting person and that she has taken a lot of influences from all different places and incorporated them into her music and videos. The section could talk about her Italian, religious and Kabbalah influences. I also think that her position in popular culture should be discussed as well, as she is seen by many as a pop culture icon. She's also had many Latin influences also. I also like the idea about a section about ``themes and influences`` or at least about ``influences``. :I can't believe this is being debated. She has stated many times that she wouldn't be as successful as she is today if not for her father's influence. She has stated that her father is the son of poor Italian immigrants who instilled in her father a strong work ethic. Much of her career is founded on a rebellion against her father and the Catholic Church. Her father is Italian American, and his brand of Catholicism is the Italian brand (there is a difference between Italian Catholic, Mexican Catholic, Irish Catholic, etc.). In 1990, when the Pope called for a ban of Blond Ambition, Madonna said it really hurt because she's Italian. (I think he even attempted to make it illegal for Madonna to step foot in Italy.) :So, let's recount: her entire career is based on the influence of her father, a man who is full-blooded Italian. Is it really such a stretch, then, to think that her Italian heritage may've had an influence on her life and career? She very rarely explicitly says so, but she doesn't really need to. Actually, she has said so, but apparently some of you consider the times she has said so to constitute trivial ``grasping`` at things Italian. Um ... such as her very name? Is that trivial grasping? I can't fathom a more Italian sounding name than ''Madonna Ciccon
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I did not say the English and French were the same, but neither are the Scottish and Irish the same. They are just two sides of the same coin, if you willrivals who have more in common than they don't. London and Paris are the core of Western Europe in the present day, whose Entente have made an enormous impression upon the modern world. This is based on a rich tradition, originally in prehistoric material culture and surviving through all the changes in timeaugmented by the Volkerwanderung (in which the Teutonic English and French had more in common with eachother than Celtic Welsh and Bretons) 1066's Conquest and the 100 Years' War. I have no aristocratic fantasy; that is for the Whigs and their foreign collaborators who took the power away from an organic kingdom (where monarch and subject had a symbiosis) for their own benefit. You think that the idea of Brittany being part of the British Isles is modern? What is wrong with your mind?
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*Yeah yeah, it's my life. Now, leave me alone.
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` :The substantiation is WP:NPOV. Read it. — `
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::EM, from the looks of it, you're not being very successful. Knock it off!
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` ::::According to your logic, reverting vandalism would be disruptive too, and should lead to blocking. I think the problem here is that, like many admins, you barely contribute to Wikipedia, and care little about its content. You are mainly a janitor and policeman, and tend to develop a janitor's and a policeman's attitude. It is an issue of systemic bias. Ordinary users tend to have an editor's attitude, i.e. their priority is making articles as good as possible, and not accept other people's bad edits. ::::Your mention of discussion on talk pages is fantasy. Oh, I do of course discuss matters on talk pages at great length (look at this for example), but I am under no illusions that people like you or Eiorgiomugini will be swayed by any amount of logical argument. At the end of the day, the only way that editors can make sure that articles have good content and not bad content is by inserting good content and removing bad content. This is my observation after long examination of Wikipedia. ::::In the specific case of me versus Eiorgio, your mention of discussion is also a straw man because you are trying to imply that I only discussed in the edit summaries. In reality, I tried to reason with him on his talk page, but he simply deleted all my comments, showing he had no interest in debating it. ::::Your mention of sockpuppetry is fantasy and a straw man. Please do not introduce irrelevant, insulting concepts into the discussion. With as much validity, I could warn you to make sure that Tawker is not your (good-cop/bad-cop) sockpuppet. ::::Since you enjoy linking to policy with which I am in most cases more familiar than you, have a look at WP:SOCK, WP:3RR, WP:DICK and a few more. — `
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Noel, you are an expert. Please convince Whig history fans (or the lazy minds) about how Bonnie Prince Charlie did not want to dissolve the Union, that the United Kingdom began with the Stuarts as opposed to the Hanoverians. Tell them how the Whigs rewrote history to blame everything on the Stuarts, whom are credited as ultimate failures with no positive contributions to the foundations of Great Britain in their Stewart and Tudor blood. The Sovereign's will is the Realm, or else it is not a kingdom. The British might as well be living in a republic, at least if the Parliamentarians had their way. Even the Hanoverian heirs recognise that the Stuarts founded the UK. Please debate that here & thanks.
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== Using your knowledge as a reference... == Noel, you are an expert. Please convince Whig history fans (or the lazy minds) about how Bonnie Prince Charlie did not want to dissolve the Union, that the United Kingdom began with the Stuarts as opposed to the Hanoverians. Tell them how the Whigs rewrote history to blame everything on the Stuarts, whom are credited as ultimate failures with no positive contributions to the foundations of Great Britain in their Stewart and Tudor blood. The Sovereign's will is the Realm, or else it is not a kingdom. The British might as well be living in a republic, at least if the Parliamentarians had their way. Even the Hanoverian heirs recognise that the Stuarts founded the UK. Please debate that here & thanks.
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*A spade is a spade; don't get your panties in a twisted bunch, or bees in your bonnet over it.
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==npov== You yell at me about NPOV, but your the fucking sock puppet.
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:Yes, and I suggest that you stop sock-puppeting Sassy, or should I say FUNK! God, why are all you admins commies? Anyway, you are way out of line here.
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::Yes, thats right, use your admin power to dispose of a real threat in your purge. I wouldn't be caught dead with a hammer and sickle on my user page. Why do you sport one if you claim to be so against it?
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==This structure is terrible== It looks like a guide to club planning. The history is stuck at the end.
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:::Come on, must you block me just because I upset you? Why must you be the enforcer, judge, and executioner? Can you not have a calm peaceful debate? Then perhaps I will judge whether you are Mao, or Chiang. But you must put your adminship aside for a little while. The hammer and sickle is at the top of your page.
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` == = To administrator Tawker = == ```` I am pretty sure that you have to reread what i wrote as you must have read what i wrote on purpose to provocate a mexican or his cactus, because of recent trauma. :My personal attacks are in fact a critic of wikipedia system in view of recent actions of some editors, and the critic of the us government and other general, very, assertions, but nothing persdonal. As for vandalism I was the one being vandalised and reacting to it on a very propper way by propper actions, as reinserting ALL persons edits and not just mine, with significant informations as my reason to do so. :I also think that some people in the story have been pretty quick at giving blame without having read anything of the contain wich say one or two things about their morality and how they view the WP/NPA, biaize, if you see what i mean. :I was trying since 5 days to get somebody from the wiki board to take a look at some specifik things but I still wait for the answer. :It was before I actually participate in any debate or talk page. :I begin to do so the 10th PM and was banned the 14th PM :It went very fast, with revert and archivising and reverting of all my edits, and my banishment in the course of the 14th, less than 9 hours exactly. :Thats a guiness record i think, some should get a reverted ban star for that kind of thing. :Try to contact me by email or give me your or an email or unblock me, bref one way we can communicate. :Good you answered to my joke, now i met an admi who isnt a mormon and who is a specialist in all what i ignore. :Its going to be a fruitfull encounter, hope it will be reciproque. contact me here or on that mail: sophie@nostromo.dk I hope very soon, if not you will have saved me from becoming a wikiaddict, there is so many other things I should do, this geak is insane. (the unblock dims is more a light signal or smoke signal to have you back looking at this, I could believe in santa claus but not the one on wikipedia.) `
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== Yanksox is a Lying faggot!!!!!! ==
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== Yanksox Sucks Dicks!!!!! ==
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== You fake bastard. This site is a fraud! ==
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` == Re: I'd like your take on this == I'm sorry it took me so long to reply. Thanks for asking for my opinion, but I don't think I have anything to contribute to the discussion. The whole thing is a trivial matter, and I think some of you are getting a little too worked up over it. I hope you can resolve the problems quickly and satisfy everyone's concerns. Good luck and thanks again. `
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I ahve and I ahve been more than patient with you. You just refuse to see things in any way but yours. The sad part is, I am from CT so I should know this.
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What is wrong with my edit, besides the fact that Boston is not recognized as the Captial and Rome for CT?
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Oh boy. Edits(that people don't like) are called vandelism. Valid source are not 'decent' sources. BS sources are valid sources(because they were provided by an editor, even if they proved nothing). Telling the truth is telling a lie. Calling someone what they have been proven to be is name calling and not the truth? I think I am starting to get how things REALLY work around here.
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You seemed like you were going to be civil until you started accusing me of doing something off-topic, like taking CT out of New England or trying to prove that CT was not New England. I was only proving that Boston is no business or cultural hub for CT. I did that and you did not like it. Those are the facts.
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`:::: I cannot believe you just wrote: ``The people arguing in favour of the link have a vested interest in its inclusion, therefore they are not objective when considering what a random reader wants and expects ...``. You've just invalidated the justification for anyone ever entering anything into Wikipedia. Unless you're somehow considering all those authors who randomly want to make changes to sites they have no interest in at all? I'd say it would be absolutely necessary to have a 'vested interest' in order to make a worthwhile contribution. No doubt you've just read Douglas Adams' concept: ``the only person who should be allowed to rule the universe is the person who doesn't want to``. :::: Can you guys just get off this ``random reader`` once and for all. Please repeat after me: ``the readers that get to the Sydney Technical High School site are not 'random'``. They have obviously got there after a relevant search or link. Please give those readers the benefit of the doubt that they are intelligent enough to figure out which external links they might want to click. Please stop thinking like robots or you'll turn Wikipedia into the Encycopedia Britannica. It can be at least that, but can also be a whole lot more. `
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This was placed here by the vandal after I placed a similar warning on his page. It is a lie - I have not broken the 3RR on English people.
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This was placed here because this user is a liar who has broken 3RR numerous times, a few days straight in a row. That he chooses to attack me for his own hypocrisy now, is indicative of his wish that the previous warning to himself by another and outside user (on the Kingdom of England) is lessened in its effects. What a fucktard.
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:Get a life you stupid wanker. No one is interested in your moronic theories and we are all tired of your semi-literate rants. You are a vandal and a troll.
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You will not shut me or Alun up with sludge-talk and sludge-thought. Got to a university and learn a thing or two about English history, just stay away from the acid and get into rehab.
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Since you defend the aristocratic coup d'etat of 1689, could you please explain why the Kingdom of England page has the Tudor arms and not the Stuart arms between 1603 until then? Why do Wikipedia editors like yourself hate the Stuarts so much? Why have this obsession with crediting others for their efforts and martyrdom?
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== Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#TharkunColl_and_Lord_Loxley == has made himself a useful idiot (a Tool reference). I'm popping their bubbles all over the place, but they refuse to gain composure and accept that there are things they overlook.
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:I added two references on 1/corruption in Cambodia and 2/Islam/Christianity (also replacing 'spreading throughout Cambodia' phrasing by 'is also present in Cambodia')
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` ::Book 3 consistently capitalizes it ``Megatokyo`` in the dedication and Piro's rants. `
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:::: True, anyone else have an opinion on this?
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==Vandalism== WHY DID YOU REVERT SOMEONES WORK ON MY USER PAGE??
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` ==Quote== Isn't this from Halo? The marines have the same 'Gung-ho' attitude to killing aliens, and even the sergeant says the famous line, Go go go! The corps ain't payin' us by the hour! ``The Sarge`` Sergeant Johnson is even a hard-talking veteran black man, like Apone. In the article it says it's from Command & Conquer: Tiberian Sun.`
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` == Format of quotations == I've done some copyediting. In particular, there was a problem that a full stop was placed before a footnote, the footnote was added, and another full stop was placed after it. A few quotations had not been closed with quotation marks, etc. Some quotations have are enclosed in tags, which seem, according to my eye, to change them into italics but not to do anything else. I don't see any reason to have some quotations in italics and some not. Actually, I don't see any reason to have any quotations in italics. We've already had problems (in the Hitler article from which this section comes) with someome putting quotations that implied that Hitler was a fervent Christian in block quotes, and leaving the quotations that implied he was anti-Christian embedded in the text where they wouldn't look so obvious, and later saying that was done according to the length of each quotation (a claim which was refuted by a simple word count). I don't see a pattern in other articles of quotations being in italics. I'm going to change all of the quotations to plain text (i.e. not italics). Long quotations can, of course, go in block quotes, regardless of which POV they support. Unrelated to the issue of format is the use of the word ``deplored`` in the last sentence. I propose changing that to ``rejected``. ``Deplored`` suggests shock and anger at the fact that this idea existed, rather than simply rejection of the idea. If I'm mistaken in this (as I don't know whether Hitler condemned the idea that Nazism was a religion, or the the idea that anyone would think it was), please change it back. `
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` == A refutation of == As soon as my ban expires, I shall revert the English people page to that which had been agreed by a consensus of editors, though I hope that someone else does so sooner. In the meantime, I shall attempt to address each of the issues raised by 's in his ``revisions``. In the ``related ethnic groups`` section you have included Danes, Norwegians, and Swedes, but excluded Welsh. This makes no sense, and it had been agreed by all editors that the Welsh are among the closest ethnic groups to the English, as anyone familiar with those two peoples knows. Your argument appears to be that the Welsh should not be included because they are English - as a result of the 1536 legislation that annexed Wales to the English kingdom. I can only assume that you have no idea what ethnicity actually means, and I suggest you read the article about it. In short, ethnicity has nothing whatsoever to do with legislation, and the mere annexation of Wales to England did not extinguish Welsh ethnic identity. But you don't need to take my word for it, just look at the Welsh people page. And nor, incidentally, is ethnicity dependent on race or genetics. You have accused me of being a racist, but it is you who are the racist by insisting that ethnicity is defined by race. As for Danes and Norwegians, their inclusion is arguable (though not so much the Swedes - very few of them settled in England). The agreed consensus prior to your unilateral intervention was that no Continental ethnic groups would be included, on the grounds that the inhabitants of the British Isles are much, much closer to each other in terms of culture, history, and language than any groups from mainland Europe. Again, this fact is obvious to anyone who knows them. As a Canadian, it is possible that you may have been ignorant of this. If you are not familiar with a subject, it is probably a good idea not to make edits to its page. Further down the article you have inserted a sentence saying that the Tudors are the chief representative of the English kingdom. This is not only false, it is also completely irrelevant. Still further down you have completely mangled the section dealing with the Norman Conquest and its effects. You have deliberately suppressed the historical fact that the English became a conquered nation, and inserted irrelevant descriptions of coats of arms. You then suddenly lurch into a (false) description of Neolithic Britain and Gaul, as if this was in any way relevant to the Norman Conquest. You then mention the Roman Empire and one of its short-lived breakaway states, jumping straight to Offa and Charlemagne, desperate to clutch at any sort of straw that will lend support, however flimsy, to your own preconceived notion that no distinction should be made between the English and the French (despite the obvious fact that these two peoples have a very different language, culture, and ethnic identity). Your mention of the consolidation of kingdoms around capitals such as Winchester and Paris is also completely irrelevant, and your suggestion that the English Channel has been the main focus of English cultural development is demonstrably wrong - the North Sea has been just as important, usually more so. Moving further down still, you have inserted a whole new section entitled ``Royalty``, and it is here that you expose the full extent of your total misunderstanding of (a) what the article is about, and (b) the English people. English identity is not based on coats of arms as symbols. If you want evidence of this, look at the World Cup, being played in Germany as we speak. The English fans, almost to a man, carry the flag of St. George, and only very rarely the Union Jack. They never, ever carry the royal coat of arms in any form. Being Canadian, I suspect that you have received a rather distorted view of the English through Holywood depictions and the like. The vast majority of English people would laugh in the face of the sort of mediavalist aristocratic fantasy that you are espousing. You then go on to claim that all Englishmen are actually descended from royalty! This is patent nonsense, and once again exposes your own royalist fantasies. The medieval French-speaking monarchy deliberately did not interbreed with its English-speaking subjects. Now, I'm not saying that no genetic material from earlier monarchs exists in the modern English population, but that is not the point. Statistically, every single person on earth might be descended from Julius Caesar, or anyone else you care to name who lived long enough ago. Oh, and French is most definitely not a lingua franca used among Englishmen - we don't need one, because we've already got English. Indeed, English people in general have been notoriously bad at learning foreign languages. And all that guff about what Scottish and Irish people think of this, that and the other is not only POV, but also completely out of place in an article about the English people. To sum up - by your own admission you are a Canadian of French ancestry. Nothing wrong with that of course, but it means that your view of the English may not be at all accurate, and this has been proved by your ill-conceived alterations to this article. The English and French, for all their geographical proximity, are worlds apart when it comes to culture, language, and ethnic identity. As a Canadian you might lament this fact, but Anglo-French identity in Canada is something for Canada to sort out, and you have no right to try and impose it on the actual English and French themselves. If you really want to make constructive additions to this article, then try and learn something about what the English are really like, and stop relying on medieval fantasies. You clearly have some sort of personal axe to grind, but I'm afraid that Wikipedia is no place to sort out your own ethnic insecurities. And you might also gain more respect by not resorting to foul-mouthed insults and childish temper tantrums every time someone disagrees with you. `
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:Ex-Alberto isn't that powerful...yet. I'm under its clouds right now, and all I'm getting is moderate amounts of rain and some wind gusts. It's pretty calm as of 7:56 EDT (or EST, whatever).
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`The name in Western language of 望廈 is Mong-Ha, Mong-Há, Mong Ha or Mong-Há and these four names are widely used in Macau. Differently, the name of ``Wangxia`` is almost never used in Macau. `
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I never attacked this person.
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::Well they're about to loose that privilege. Many people on that page are now all coming to the same conclusion that they've turned the page into chaos. It's not just me. I'd also appreciate it if you'd mind your own business. Thanks.
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==Clow Cards== Hey there. I thought you were able to register with the username, Kris. Somehow, Wikipedia is still showing just your IP address. In any case, here in your Talk page is where more casual comments are allowed. My favorite Clow Card is The Mirror. And I think both designs are really pretty, though I guess the Sakura Card design is slightly better.
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I've removed the following, because it doesn't sound like an encyclopaedia: Another view. This is a totally honest album, Lauryn has hit highs here that can only be achieved a few times in an artists lifetime. It is inspiring, thought provoking, honest, deeply spiritual and completely enjoyable just to listen to even with out an spiritual dimension. Go Lauryn, my prayer for you is that you can weather the storm of ignorant criticism that comes from this CD and that you will give us some more of the same. God Bless
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The one I added in your talk page treats the matter in more than one line. I've cited sources in the past, and they're now lost somewhere in this Talk page.
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== Musical Wales?? == On reviewing them, I am not satisfied with the citations offered.
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` As could be clearly read here, I wasnt asking for any unblock, but to talk to Tawker, so unless you had the intention to contact him for me, or to contact me directly I dont see why you have put your finger in it. Please any other admi coming here, do not remake the same mistake and give my smoke signals further to the rigth target: Tawker. I dont care about being unblock, I do care about being treated as a person and been given acomment and else that outsiders dont mingle in a case that they do not know a single thing about. Being reverted for not adering 100% to all mormons theories is in my view a direct attack to the first amendement. Here are some proove for what I have advanced in some of my edits (I have edited from the 10th of june 2006 in the evening to the 14th of june 2006 in the afternoon, with being subject ton unfounded personal attacks and reverts without explainations from my first edits. Both from other editors (all mormons) and from administrators who were also mormons. As you are not an administrator and not the one this edit VERY VISUALLY is adressed to, so you should have step away or contact the person himself to ask him to take a look here. your actions in that case are counter productiv Pgk and waist my time and place in wikipedia. Try to bode for this or use it as a learning stuff for future times. Do not make the mistake of using your previous type of experiences in vandalism as a stonehenge model for all situations. Take into account the basis and what actually occured in the case at hand and that the people who generated personnals attacks against me did it without having been subject to such on my part, and only by assuming things about me who werent true. Even when confronted with that fact they pursued their personal attacks in form of racism and accusing me of lying and calling me a troll, and all their edits stating those have not been removed nor do those editors have been sanctioned nor even warned. Most probably because they appeal to mormon administrators to begin with. I have written contributions in only 2 days, before all were reverted without explainations. That i was blocked on the basis of NPA is a cynical joke, as I thad tried for days to make the other editors to stop agressing me ´by answering my edits with personal attacks and to instead adrees the content of those edits. I have in all my answers to them specifically and always adress the contain of their edits directly and accuratly, that it had contain also similarity with personal attacks has to be seen in the ligth that their edits were made of 90% of personal attacks and false allegations about my motives and source of informations, thought i had clearly stated what those were several times, and even was falsly citated on words and sentences I had never uttered! The feeling of being done wrong was growing for each of those unfounded attacks, and instead of getting clear and founded and logical responses, I was confronted with further illigetimates handling as a pseudo archiving of the talk page where all edits, incl the 4 th last, had been removed, and the talk page was left blanck, and was officialy choosen to dont reply to my first edit, who was never adressed, meaning its contain and not me as a person. The last edit written by me had been deleeted from the archive and the historic, which I didnt accept, as I know it was against wiki rules. No explainations nor warning were given nor the possibility to contact the admi who had done so as on his talk page he pretended to be on holyday until the end of june wich I found odd as he had done those actions a couple of hours ago. Nobody being there to can talk that matter through with, nor any others being named to take over, and no plausible explanations being given for doing those hidden reverting of the page, I took the initiative to reinteger the last 4 edits in the actual empty talk page, as mean to pursue the communication and arrived at a propper reaction regarding the contain of my contribution and not personal attacks against me nor disuasiv terror actions being made against me. I argued about it and explained my actions abundently both before I did it, and at the end of those, with a clear stand point concerning my worries about the freedom of expression being severely enfringe in wikipedia and the danger of letting this type of actions going on without control, as well as seeing wikipedia getting too onesided on a relevant amount of articles. I hope this clarified some point and i didnt appreciate being bulled nor sanctioned by an admi who officially recognised not having read the edits he removed and reverted and archived, nor having read my explaination for reinserting some of those from the archive to the talk page, and also being warned and threatened and banned from an admi, the same, who didnt look at all at the contain of any of my edits nor look upon what happen in the course of only 3 days, for reasons that I was complaining about concerning the other users, and all that on the basis of what he heard other say to him, and not on the basis of his factual experience with the case. In short he give a judgement and sentence and executed it without having read the case. It is unacceptable, and extreeme and trigger extreeme reactions. Anything else will be ignoring human behaviour and elementar psychology as aperson under stress and attacks from several sides and unfairly and unequaly treated will have to shout louder in order to be heard and will feel the urge to do so especially if none is listening nor taking this persons views nor the facts at hand into account. Ignoring and pretending like if things as otherwise is the worse form for insult and agression, and a real psychological attack. To say it very clear: If you didnt have beat me, I will not have scream nor feel pain. Denying to have ever beaten me, is a form of psychological torture, and I do hope that wikipedia policy do not support this kind of behaviour, and should begin to at least recognise this fact and to take it into account in the future evaluations of conflicts. I have seen that it is often the vandaliser who accuse the victim of vandalism in wikipedia and that many users and admi are very bad at distinguish between calculated and planed tactical psycho war to trigger specifics responses in order to ban or eliminate a person, and the persons who trigger the buttons of this war. They often are misleaded and become active participants of this psycho war, helping the real vandaliser to achieve their plans instead of amening a solution to a problem. Their actions often fired even more an already infected situation. I will not use this case here as an exemple, but more as a mini model of such, and will not either generalised to all types of conflict nor all kind of vandalism actuated on all wikipedias articles and talk pages. I just have witness som specific reaction and action patterns who are in my meaning encouraging good manoeuvers and manipulators to do more of the same, and serve as splendid models of battle work for future replication of the same, at the service of ex and future unpunished vandlaiser, who even often end up being gratified for their actions!!! BUT, in the process, it is always possible to see, at some points, that something is wrong, and that all is not as it seems, but admi having already given in and being often alredy part of it, have difficulties at coming out of it, and setting a critical eyes on whats going on really as it will imply critisising themselves. Not that people are unable to do so, but it is often more difficult to do so one oneself for many, specially when adrenaline is up, tension is mounting, admis have already taken side, and in many cases the persons are involved with several other things or articles or other conflicts at the same time. The time and ressource factor is here often a big limit. One will have a tendency to jump where the gear is lowest and oversee even central things. That was this problem and the consequences of it in matter of freedom of expression and justice , as wiki justice, and equality and protection of neutrality, inside wikipedia as a whole that I have tried to expose on the talk page but also and specially outside, before participating in the mormons talk page at all, by sending several emails to members of wikipedias board, to drag people attention on it. It is more part of a general changement of attitude toward the freedom of expression, gaining several countries, than just a specific to wikipedia only thing, who is the cause of such problems.But nonetheless those issues need to be urgently taken up at wikipedias top, for evaluation and to see what can be done to avoid it in the future. I know wikis ressources are limited and that the number of admi is also restrained, but I do hope that the problem by its repercussions, will be taken up seriously and soon enougth to avoid an escalation of it in wiki, conducting at the end to the abrogation of wikis most basic principles in all wikipedia. Voilá. Hope you, reader, can now see where I come from and go to, and that something will happen in that field because of what I set into motion now, and if so, it will be my best contribution to wikipedia, and people at large. I have until now only meet narrow point of view, but here are some professionals stuff about this freedom of expression problem that has infected wiki since short ago (but more than a year at least). ``The group [Reporters Without Borders] evaluates how well the world's nations respect freedom of the press. Finland, Iceland, and the Netherlands are the top three, while North Korea, Cuba, and Burma are at the bottom. Canada is ranked tenth. The U.S. is 137th (of a tot
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If you prefer, you can leave me an answer on my talk page -
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By YOUR OWN WORDS - Boston USED to be... One hundred years ago. The article stated that IT IS. What the hell more excuses do you need to make?
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::I'm pretty sure I'm still blocked. Would you mind expalaining what is going on? And Tawker, are you allowed to just block someone even though they didn't do anything? Its like that Bob Dylan song, Hurricane.
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Ok. You know you or whoever wrote it was thinking Asian as in China or Japan. Stereotyping.
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Typical. Every time some clown tries to sound intelligent, he goes and uses words he just looked up. That is not intelligent. Having the mind that can reason and not have biases is intelligent.
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Very funny when the guy made some explicit personal attacks on me. You guys are full of shit.
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== Uncle Tom House Niggers ==
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Also Halliwell's Who's Who in the Movies (2006 edition) says 1951.
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==My Wife== Let's have a threesome with my wife )
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::I just wanted to comment that those other people are not me.
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::::I just wanted to comment that these other people are not me. At any rate, I think we should just all calmly try to work this out. Perhaps if we go through section by section and discuss what main points we want to touch on. That way we can come to some sort of an agreement as to what should stay or leave. I saw about mention about how to cite things such as vocal abilities and what not. I think we can have important info such as that kept in, with [citation needed]. At least that way we'll have noted stuff that needs to be eventually sourced out. I hope that this helps.
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>New England 'springing' from Boston is not the debate. The debate is that someone asserts that Boston is a hub for New England, which others have denied for their states AND for CT, which is 100% false. Boston is not even near CT.
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`You know what? There is yet another reason to use my edit. Since you out the source for ``New York Metropolitan area`` as a basis for your acceptance of saying ``...All but Southwestern CT,`` I have looked at that link and it includes all the way up to Torrington which is on the Mass border! Now do you understand? `
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` ``He further endeared himself to Protestants by marrying Anne of Denmark—a princess from a Protestant country and daughter of Frederick II of Denmark—by proxy in 1589. Another marriage, this time with both parties personally present, occurred on 21 January 1590 at Krondborg during James' visit to Denmark.```
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` ==='s reply, with my own comments === ``The recidivism rate of TharkunColl is sad, for he has vowed to disrupt the Wikipedia to make a point. Here he attempts yet again, to blow smoke all our arses.`` :You are the one who is disrupting Wikipedia. I am upholding the consensus. ``TharkunColl believes that the English and Welsh are not ethnic twins of Southern Britain (in the present day and age), perhaps unaware that they are indistinguishable to the world at large. The Principality of Wales has not been its own country since before Edward I of England, while the Principality of Liechtenstein is an independent country that has no real ethnic status different from its neighbours. His argument is to play up national-separatist sentiments that serve nobody in the present day, about a Principality vis a vis Kingdomwhich form bestows actual ethnic statuses to peoples. Wales has never been featured on the arms of state and seals of office that denote independence, the chief marker of separate identity among the nations in Europe. That the Welsh people page exists, doesn't qualify its existence. This guy believes that there is a sort of ``Anglo-Celtic subrace`` of Europeans, that is defined only by the British Isles (an idea only popular among xenophobic yobbos proud of the British Empire's world domination, in an era circa the Great War). He believes that Brittany is part of the British Isles, rather than a former duchy in the Kingdom of Franceby choice over allegiance to England in the Breton War of Succession. He believes that mass settlement, colonisation and the transcendence of national cultures is arguable in favour of the people under Canute the Great's dominion as governed by Winchester, but denies any significance in relations from 1066 (until the present) as determined by London and what the Normans did which transformed the populace in all waysespecially ancestry and tongue, to form actual and extant connections with the French, Scots and Irishthe countries England has dealt with for the past millenium. He uses racial definitions in respect to the ``Celtic fringe`` and their English relationship, for we all know how the English never held special favour to them until the Hanoverians changed the political climate and drew sympathy from the English for the harsh oppressions of that regime which never bred into the population of the British Isles and was ``naturally nativised``. The user believes the Norman Conquest was as removed from the people as the Constitutional Hanoverian rule, but more bloody and causing a Marxist class struggle between monarch and subject for centuries as opposed to a few decades in which it was possible to secure their integration as part of the English people themselves. My other opponent User:Enzedbrit believes that the Norman Channel Islanders are no different from the English, but TharkunColl thinks they are foreigners (since 1066) compared to the Celtic fringe (whom only assimilated to the English way of life because of aftereffects created by the Norman Conquest of England). This person has attacked my nationality as Canadian and put my knowledge into question, simply because I'm not jingoistic to punish the French in any and every discussion of themwe in Canada have learnt to get along, because English and French are more alike than differentdespite intense rivalry. He tries to speak with authority and down to me, while it is obvious that he is a crank out of the mainstream of academic institutions but well within the realm of football hooliganism.`` :Read what I wrote. I believe that the Welsh and English are indeed very close, but quite obviously still retain separate ethnic identities. You are trying to say that they are English. For your own sake, please don't say that if you ever go to Wales. I have never made any claims about an ``Anglo-Celtic subrace`` and nor do I believe Britanny is part of the British Isles. Why do you ascribe false beliefs to me? As for you being a Canadian, all it means is that you may have a completely false view of what the English are like, based on your misperception of history. As I said, just because Canada is an Anglo-French society, it doesn't mean that England is. And the only crank here is you I'm afraid. ``I made a reference to the Tudors being England's chief representative of the Romano-British in England's culture and identity, which you think is ludicrous or have problems interpreting what was written. It was the Tudors who brought a revival of King Arthur, which made it an official mythology of England.`` :The Tudors lived about a thousand years after the Romano-British period, so to call them a representation of it sounds a tad unreasonable. And their revival of the Arthurian myths was purely political. ``You have only tried to deny any and every relationship the English and French have ever had, plus what is to come. You have deliberately skewed facts to serve your Ethnocentric Socialist agenda, to continue berating Anglo-French traditions which have survived into the present. You deny the (sorry, epipalaeolithic rather than neolithic) Azilio-Tardenoisian microlithic culture of Southern Britain and Gaul, which was the basis of relations which supported such a state as the Gallic Empire, making it further affluential during the time of Offa of Mercia's Angles and Charlemagne's Franks in their unity among the Teutons of Europe and across the English Channeljust as the Bretons and Welsh maintained ties along the same body of water. The fact that the capitals of England and France have always been Channel-focused, especially since the Norman Conquest, Angevin Empire and Hundred Years' War, eludes him in such concepts as Western Europe and the Entente Cordiale, or the rate of assimilation between the English and French in their colonial empires. He thinks it is alright to look backwards to an England unchanged by 1066, but then changed by 1689 and the changes effected since the Glorious Revolution as the only native English identity (ignoring 600 years). He calls me an aristocrat, but I accept all English relations and you'll find nil elitist separatism based upon identity politics and special interests in my heartunlike him and his nationalist agenda to purify the English identity from a Marxist standpoint, which was what the Nazis did in WWII GermanyTharkunColl's enemies are the Franks, to Adolf Hitler's Jews. His Final Solution is to revise history and purge all connections between the English and French, the English being Aryan and French being Semitic. It doesn't phase him that the Franks were among the Anglo-Saxon invasion of Roman Britain, that all traditional books make a reference of this and it is supported by archaeology in that time period. It would appall TharkunColl to accept the Greco-Roman contributions to the English identity and culture, but we all inherit something some of us consider Black sheep (term) in our families.`` :I have never said that cultural exchanges did not cross the Channel, because they clearly did. But cultural exchanges do not erase ethnic differences. Your talk of prehistoric cultures is irrelevant in an article about the English. Furthermore, London is far more North Sea focused than Channel focused (look on a map). I won't even bother refuting your accusations of my being a Nazi, or a Socialist, or whatever - those who resort to personal abuse have invariably lost the argument. And, incidentally, I did not call you an aristocrat. You are just a fantasist. ``TharkunColl believes that there is no organic, symbiotic relationship between royalty and subjects in all parts of the world, but this only changed since constitutional monarchy was created in the British Isles. Everybody can claim royal heritage, depending on how long ago they get it and it is widely known that the monarchy has historically been iconic for English identity. Recent British Republicanism should not be confused with precedent and connection, which is largely based on a recent influx of Bolkshevik (or what, Jacobin a la French Revolutionaries? How surprising!) ideology as a result of the Cold War. To be English is to be anti-Communist, as exemplified in the James Bond films. This guy thinks he is a ``True Englishman``, but he gets it wrong almost every time. Subjects are forbidden from using the royal arms without permission, but it is a symbol of ethnic identity traditionally found throughout Europe. He has Bolshevik fantasies, as evidenced on his various edits to Wikipedia articles in which he shows disdain for the survival of our common monarchy. He tries to remove French as the Englishman's lingua franca, but how often do Englishmen or Anglo-Americans not visit France and mingle with the people for their chief/number one international experience? He asserts that my descent from John of Gaunt, 1st Duke of Lancaster is just a Mediaeval fantasy because the ancestor is Anglo-Norman and preposterous that the majority of Englishmen who have royal descent is from that man just happens to be irrelevant to the Plantagenets breeding with their subjects. You think that ignoring the Scottish and Irish about their objections to a close identification with the English are irrelevant, yet they are based on a series of English conquests of their lands and replacement of their identity. You hypocritically think that is a moot/negligable point, but not in the French case towards Englandwhich was more organic in every sense. How have the Celtic languages affected English?`` :What on earth is an ``organic, symbiotic relationship``? You are exposing your royalist fantasies yet again. In fact, a monarchy is a system of government, and like any other it has its advantages and disadvantages. When the people tire of it, they replace it with so
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::::::I don't have the video in question which apparently supports what is written.
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` == POV == This article seems heavily biased aginast Bill Gates.GorillazFan `
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== Cleanup == In a casual passing I noted over five instances of deplorable grammar. Among many other offenses: Never cite a source within quotations, never italicize quotes unless they are famously recounted (ie, That's one small step for [a] man, one giant leap for mankind is okay, but italicizing some airbag disseration is not, no matter how hoyl the speaker may be considered), and my god use spaces after commas. Additionally, the article seems strange in that there are two seperate paragraphs devoted to the Taliban's defense of the destruction. These should probably either be condsensed into one, or the global outcry be given more space of its own, to avoid seeming biased. Given these issues, I marked the article for cleanup, since I personally can only tolerate so much Islam before my inner Troll of the Western Imperialists starts coming to life
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== is a scientifically proven epitome of an Arsehole (stretched and itching...) THAT's WHY he whines and bitches so pathetically on Wikipaedia == Cheers!
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:Yeah I think singing should be limited to only about A1-C2 at the lowest and probably C8 at the highest. Cause Mariah sang G#7 live so easily. She probably could go higher its just that higher than that just sounds like sqeaks ya know? Musically some notes are too high or too low to be considered actual singing. It may be singing but it doesnt sound like it.
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` In addition to the helmetse, John Phillip Sousa called the Michigan Fight Song ``Hail, Victors!`` the best college fight song.`
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` == is a scientifically proven epitome of an Arsehole (stretched and itching...) THAT's WHY he whines and bitches so pathetically on Wikipaedia == Female masturbation techniques are quite numerous and perhaps more varied than those of males. They are influenced by a number of factors and personal preferences. Techniques include stroking or rubbing of the vulva, especially the clitoris, with the middle, index and/or second fingers. Sometimes one or more fingers may be inserted into the vagina to repeatedly stroke the frontal wall of the vagina where the g-spot is located. (Studies done by Masters & Johnson, however, have shown that only about 10% of women actually have orgasms through vaginal stimulation alone.) [citation needed] Masturbation aids such as a vibrator, dildo or Ben Wa balls can also be used to stimulate the vagina and clitoris. Many women will caress the breasts or stimulate a nipple with the free hand. Anal stimulation is also enjoyed by some because of the thousands of sensitive nerve endings located there. Lubrication is sometimes used during masturbation, especially when penetration is involved, but this is by no means universal and many women find their natural lubrication sufficient—some even produce more lubricant alone than with a partner, though the reasons for this seem to be primarily psychological. Women may masturbate in the bathtub, shower and hot tub, sometimes including the use of warm running water to stimulate the clitoris. Common positions include lying on back or face down, sitting, squatting, or even standing. Lying face down, one may straddle a pillow, the corner or edge of the bed, a partner's leg or some scrunched-up clothing and ``hump`` the vulva and clitoris against it. Standing up, the corner of an item of furniture, or even a washing machine, can be used to stimulate the clitoris through the labia and clothing. A vibrating duck. By de-dramatising the nature of a vibrator, this kind of toy has gained wider acceptance. Some reach orgasm merely by crossing their legs tightly and clenching the muscles in their legs, which creates pressure on the genitals. This can potentially be done in public without observers noticing. Some prefer to use only pressure, applied to the clitoris without direct contact, for example by pressing the palm or ball of the hand against underwear or other clothing. A few women can orgasm spontaneously, after experiencing prior sexual arousal, due to intellectual stimulation alone, for instance listening to certain pieces of music. Often, these mental triggers have associations with previous instances of arousal and orgasm. Some women claim to be able to orgasm spontaneously by force of will alone, but that ability, if it exists at all, may not strictly qualify as masturbation as no physical stimulus is involved. Those who have difficulty reaching orgasm through sexual intercourse may find it easier to achieve an orgasm through masturbation. Sometimes sex therapists will recommend that female patients take time to masturbate to orgasm, especially if they have not masturbated before `
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== fuckoff == fuckoff i don't want self promoting faggots shitting up wikipedia, if there's a fucking ban on vanity pages for people there should be one on vanity pages for shitty bands nobody will ever care about
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== Millwright == Chris: Just for the record... I speak Canadian, Hey ! mwron Millwrightron mwron
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Please stop. If you continue to blank or remove content from Wikipedia, as you did to , you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia.
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check the links on the page. ( )
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== Salvation == Do not worry you are but a lost lamb the Lord will forgive you
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