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Nice additions to the instrument articles. Rackett is sure a weird beast! I've played with one occasionally I don't do double reeds, but I had to toy with it anyway. By the way, when modifying entries like sackbutt, you should check first to see if it automatically goes to sackbut (as it does), in which case there's not much reason to change the spelling (considering how many spellings there are for sackbut.) I assume you're a double-reed player with a fondness for Renaissance horns?
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This message is regarding the page Ear. Please stop removing content from Wikipedia. It is considered vandalism. If you want to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. -
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== warning == Please stop adding nonsense to Wikipedia. It is considered vandalism. If you would like to experiment, use the sandbox. Thank you. == another warning == Please stop. If you continue to vandalize pages, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia.
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` *I understand....really I do...It's just it takes much longer to fill in a ``updated template`` than the copy and pasted one; as 10 minutes as opposed to 30... -| `
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Well since I am the person who first eliminated the President from the Infobox I guess I must at least have a say in this. Official Languages: Spanish and English. Infobox: Never says PR is a nation, clearly states PR is a territory. Yes, it is a country infobox. Big Deal. President? Irrelevant. Puerto Ricans do not vote for him. Puerto Ricans vote for a governor, ultimate power resides in the Congress of the USA. Only real power of the President lies in the armed forces. CIA Factbook objective? No. The CIA obviuosly has an agenda. US Flags? Yes ? Proudly? Subjective. Everywhere? Exageration. In goverment buildings? Of course, PR is a territory after all. In universities? Only in administrative buildings of public universities. In cars? Yes. 40% or more favor statehood. In stores? Haven't seen one in Sears yet. Has this been debated before? Yes. Next time please study the history of the problem so as the same errors are not commited again. Finally for whom do you think wikipedia is written for? Peronally I write in wikipedia so that my kids(my students) and their kids can learn a little about every topic. I don't write so that people spend endless hours debating trivial matters. I write so that kids have an easy to access medium from which they can begin to learn. They will make up opinions on each subject in due time, as have many of us. Please stop the political, ideological, senseless debates and concentrate on writing/adding good educational articles. Why not write a Culture of Puerto Rico article or a paragraph on transportation in Puerto Rico instead of debating whether there is a chief of state or not. Or whether the infobox is appropiate for a territory. SO, LETS GET TO WRITING
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:Nice try, but no cigar, as most of the current version of this article was written by pro-VSU editors. Had you actually read the article, it contains quite a bit of explanation of the benefits of VSU - and at least equals, if not outweighs, the explanation of the downsides, as a consequence of a large group of people from both sides having worked on this over some months. We all have strong opinions on many things, but one of the first things most people learn when they come to Wikipedia is that they simply cannot try to make an article take on their particular ideological bias. I'm sure you'll either learn the same thing in time, or else get used to being ignored/reverted.
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:The internet, as a whole, is less biased than any other source of information. If we can keep the Cabal from controlling content, and allow all of those disparate opinions to act as filtering agents for the article, it will enable a single Wikipedia page to be as informative and balanced as researching all of the Google results on a subject. 18px|Wikipedians for self-rule
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Thanks Tony, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and your loved ones. — |
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Added Marine Forces Pacific. It is the original command element there. -Gelston
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== Fine to see things settled == I’m relatively a new user and for that reason maybe I did some mistakes handling this dispute. In that manner, I’m sorry if I made some personal attacks on FSF or if I was to fast and responded not courteously in some cases. However, everything I did was done in order to have more appropriate article that will thoroughly describe Kumanovo. As I can see, the page is unprotected now and FSF returned the most of my new additions to the page (and I’m thankful for that). For now I’m not going to make any corrections on the current text and I will leave FSF to do it if he feels the necessity for that in order to finally shape the appropriate look of the article. I would like to propose to FSF several minor changes on the current version which I think should be done in order to achieve further improvement of the article: * 1. I think the following geographical info should be moved from the Economy into the Overview section: Although Kumanovo lies 340 kilometers above the sea, it is surrounded by the Karadag part of Skopska Crna Gora mountain on its western side, Gradishtanska planina mountain on its southern side and Mangovica and German mountain on the eastern side. Kumanovo has a temperate climate. * 2. I still have doubt about the presence of private practice “Otodent” in the Culture section * 3. By my opinion, the last three sentences in the Culture section would be more appropriate in the History section. Thanks
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This is like a featured article on Japanese Wikipedia. I'm trying to create stubs based on some articles at Wikipedia:Featured articles in other languages. Category:User ja-N.
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`I suggest the statement ``More recently, author, Michael Crichton, compared the current Environmental Movement to Lysenkoism.`` be removed from the article. But rather than remove it without asking, I thought it best to raise the issue here first. Many people, even famous ones, say many things, much of it nonsense. That does not mean their nonsense should be given credibility in the Wikipedia. Comparing a movement to Lysenkoism implies that it contradicts the scientific consensus but has state or politically connected support. The enviromentalism that Crichton criticises indeed does have the support of most states and politicians, but it is also the scientific consensus. If anything Crichton is the one who can be compared to Lysenko. His anti-environmental views contradict the scientific consensus and in this he has the support of many top politicians in the US, possibly even the current President. Frankly though, making analogies with Lysenkoism should be done sparingly. Lysenkoism was a dreadful period for many people living in the former USSR. Only the worst excesses of state-supported pseudo-science should be compared to it. (Nathan Geffen) `
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Jack was flying home from Australia, where the Red Sox win might not have made the news and he might not have been interested in the sports pages anyway, given the reason he was there. Since it's a saying of his dad's, there's also no reason to believe that Jack would follow the Red Sox or have any interest in sports. How long was his dad gone? He could have left the night before this big Red Sox game. So...around Halloween 2004 maybe, but not definitely before.
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, 18 December 2005 (UTC) :::::Roughly 70% of the United States is farmland. That doesn't make the United States a rural coutry! 14:00
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! By the way, did you read the note at the top of the page?
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` :::(It took me some time to write this as you may have already added stuff, or there could be stuff already there I missed in the first place) ::May I..... Nathaniel, I think you have pointed out one of the most fascinating double edges of the internet, and certainly this frustrating Wikipedia. (please forgive me taking this time here, but for the sake of your welding article case, might I be so bold to attempt advancing a much, much larger cause as well) You have said yourself, that you are not a highly experienced ``welder``, save for I'm sure at least some time spent laying down a few good beads, yet you haven't been known to build large constructions where lives might have depended? I have that right about you, yes? HOWEVER, what you have done through this string of welding articles, I find simply fantastic. It is concise and worded at a level properly aimed at most anyone already competent enough to begin welding, yet simply needs to get the overview. It is as authoritative as any single, or group of books and articles I've read on welding as a hole. (That should encourage, and scare you at the same time). Now we just need to add a bit more about the Art. Yes, that ethereal bane stalking wikipedia bureaucrats who can't stand things which don't come up in google counts. The list of unsourced statements you have offered, may exist in no small part, to the very lack of ``authoritative`` sources available for such things. I have never, NEVER come across two welding books which are consistent through a ``school of thought`` on such a list of interdependent items. It is precisely the effect of deep interrelation, that no two instructors will ever approach welding exactly the same, yet 'miraculously' so many welds hold together and perform their needed functions in our lives. After the instructor has pointed out the canvas, paints and brushes, than he must leave the student to his own devices. To hone a skill set, to practice an art. Practice. For ultimately, the welders experience becomes the most reliable gauge to deciding the finished quality of a weld. So practice and time under the hood is everything ``so they say``. X-Ray is really quite impractical for all but the most over-funded projects. Destruction, by cross-cutting open the weld or simply trying to break it, is what the most honest instructor will tell a student he must do if he wants to know (learn) what it takes to make a good weld. Breaking things, is the engineeres absolute best instruction manual, and he/she must hold in great regard and memory, those times where they witnessed failure, so better to prevent it. That is what truly builds experience, and it is only the experienced person who has any hope of mastering any art. A highly technical, well sourced, and cited article such as this, MUST in some way acknowledge that the details will only go so far before it must address that which I have seen turn the stomach of so many a geekzoid wikipedian..... those chanting the endless mantra of NPOV and that shit-source of false surety, google counts; That there are people out there who know more than google. And there always will be. That these articles, if wikipedia wishes to survive, if wikipedia ever wishes to be more than an ARTIFICIAL intelligence, it must learn to allow by tolerance alone of need be, or better yet, to encourage those who have deep knowledge into feeling more comfortable here. To collaborate, to offer their thoughts and experience here, to celebrate the diversity of opinion, and even the how-tos and what-fors wherein work can be done with great satisfaction and supreme result, for all. This largely tedious, wasteful, foolhardy, and pointless absolute fixation around which too many wikipedians have styled themselves as NPOV warriors, by demanding citation on every minute single detail, will be this wiki's undoing. *From my experience, the arc is held simply as short as possible so as to concentrate heat in the shortest possible time, yet long enough to avoid dipping the tip while the hand naturally shakes minutely. The amount of heat, the amount of heat the power-supply can deliver (over time, and becomes and very important factor in calculating ``duty-cycle``) to the weld pool, and thus how convex or concave the pool is laid with filler, defines (for me) how close I can get to the work. Duty Cycle, is a calculation of the machines ability to deliver a given heat, for a given time, vs. the time it must literally rest idle before it has radiated or cooled the internal workings of the machine, completely irrespective of the work piece. Yet this largely defines the maximum amount of heat, to a given thickness, in a 'shortness' of time that a welder can put into the work piece. Aluminum for example is notorious for its ability to ``wick`` (conduct) heat away from the p
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Without this thought in mind, the machine may automatically trip OFF, or burn itself up right in the middle of a very important weld. *
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Common misconceptions occurs when we try to simplify the organization of Middle Eastern groups. While this diagram is a drastic over-simplification in itself, it illustrates that al-Qaeda, the World Islamic Front, and the International Front for Jihad against the Zionists and Crusaders are not the same thing.
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It's OK, Sean; s'all good. I will forget all about it now. I appreciate and totally accept the apology (I reallllly needed to hear it because I am starting to feel a bit punked on and totally misunderstood). Thank you!
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To Sean (repeated from my Talk Page): It's OK, Sean; s'all good. I will forget all about it now. I appreciate and totally accept the apology (I reallllly needed to hear it because I am starting to feel a bit punked on and totally misunderstood). Thank you!
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` ::Your response sounded a bit more apologetic than need be. I was certainly not suggesting that you have fallen short in any way... Yet as I do not think of this wiki as encyclopedic as others do, it is on that bases I feel we have much more ability to bring in such additional concepts as the ``Art`` into the very article itself. You did touch on that in a very eligant way already.... Me, I just like to keep pushing. Maybe a more in-depth wikibook will come of this regardless. These are pretty crappy photos, but maybe you could use them as place holders until a better one shows up. Take care, Erin. `
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`, 18 December 2005 (UTC) Pathoschild, I could kiss you a thousand times. Thank you for for smoothing out the blocking issue, and, especially, for hearing me! As to arbitration: well, it sounds nice in theory, but I worry the actual good it'd do and how I'd probably be the one to get smacked down. At the risk of sounding, er, slightly paranoid, my style apparently makes me a magnet for All Bad Things and there is not much I can do about it. It seems as if Dominick can do and say anything, repeatedly, and nothing happens, but I get admonished (or blocked!) for sarcasm and things I didn't even do. While I was blocked (which incident is forgiven): in the ``external links`` section at the entry ``Rosary,`` he replaced this link with this one, calling the former a ``monograph site`` (by which he means, apparently, that there is one person who oversees thing even though I have SIX people and he has been informed of this. If there's anything in the rules about monographs, I'd like to see what the heck Dominick is talking about). Malachias111 (my ``meatpuppet``) had my back, but man, oh, man! I just want for him to leave me ALONE, to quit libelling me and my life's work, and to stop taking down perfectly relevant, helpful, and informative links just because he hates traditional Catholicism. Dominick is a ``POV Warrior`` with a a neo-conservative Catholic POV who engages in harrassment and a soft form of ``vandalism`` (though I don't think his purpose is to imperil the integrity of the encyclopedia, he is removing perfectly good content for no good reason and lying about that content in the process). If he wants to go through and put the line ``a traditional Catholic website`` after any link to my site, then fine. But removing the links, replacing them (esp. with lesser quality links), lying about them (he says they're a ``blog,`` ``POV,`` ``monograph,`` 'linkspam,`` etc.), slandering me and the site in his edit summary notes, etc. I can't just let him do that. If you can give me decent odds that I will get a fair ``hearing,`` if the abritrators will read my RfC and the associated discussion page, click on the links, and look into what I have been saying, then I would very much like to move forward; but, if the odds say it's going to be a matter of their looking at style over substance (e.g., seeing my admitted sarcasm after months of weirdness and not looking into the reasons for it), then , I dunno 'cause I can't take another ``Oh, great, he wins again!`` type situation. I will try to be more civil as it is apparently defined, but if it weren't for sarcasm, I don't know how I'd survive this stuff. If you knew what I'd been tempted to say, you'd think I were Mother Theresa LOL In any case, I thank you for your attention. It's good to know I am not being totally ignored in all this and that someone out there is actually hearing me. No, it's beyond ``good``; it is a RELIEF as this has been really upsetting and time-consuming for me. I appreciate your time and know it can't be any fun for you either; I make my own self sick repeating my defense over and over LOL. Wish I didn't have to. I saw earlier, though, that there are things going on in your ``real life`` that were, at least, to take you away from administrating until after Christmas. I hope that, whatever those events may be, they are happy ones. Assuming the odds are decent and this goes forward at all, if bringing all this up to an arbitration committee is too time-consuming or distracting, it can wait 'til after Christmas when you have more time. Sounds as though you have stuff going on... 20:07`
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Hey Alexbulg! Don't get such angry! There is no need for wasting time to talk to crazy guys like M...! You know, God created them to amuse really thinking people like us! Best Greetings, Micha.
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` Why do you wish to place ``The links provided at the bottom of the page are purely for information purposes and as such may be biased or unethical in their content`` INSIDE of the article? Why not above the link section? `
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` == Persons of the year == We should change the name, or create a 2nd article called ``times people of the year`` because their were 3 people chosen for person of the year.`
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`== hello! == concerning your additions on Immortal Technique's discography, good job! the singles were missing. but i am not sure if the 3 internet bootlegs/mixtapes shoudl appear there as well. but maybe, since he gained a fair share of his fanbase through the internet it should stay there - but maybe it should say ``internet/peer to peer`` only or something. keep it up! )`
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` ::The original Arab text refers to a Jihad against Zionists and Crusaders. Most of the people of the world have a big problem with Zionists and Crusaders, including me (a Christian), and most of my Jewish friends. Up until 9/11, we assumed that our leaders (of the United States) followed a higher law than ``might makes right.`` When the tragedy happened, we thought that the law and civility the ``free world`` had established would prove to these ``backward people`` that there are superior methods of dealing with disputes than to hurt and kill each other. ::Instead, our United States representatives proved bin Laden right. They fell into every trap that he ``prophesied.`` Bin laden was able to drain us of over two trillion dollars, expose the atrocities that we had previously been able to hide from most of the world (including our own people), and draw us into a war that we cannot win. There may not have been very many people actively fighting against the bigotry of Zionists and Crusaders a few years ago, but the United States response to 9/11 has certainly opened our eyes since then. I can assure you that large numbers of people from all ethnic and religious groups consider themselves part of the front against the war crimes being committed. `
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` ::::I'm not Islamic, so I'm certainly not part of the ``World Islamic Front.`` I am, however, part of a front against the war criminals known as Zionists and Crusaders, as I consider all Americans should be who care about this country, its future, and the principles upon which it was founded. `
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: You obviously do not understand. KLA was not a governmental organization. Serb police or army was. Whatever KLA was doing, police and army must conduct their operations in accordance with law. Mass shooting of alleged KLA members without investigation and trial was clearly NOT in accordance with law.
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` I feel bad, too, JG. I know I can have a real smart, sarcastic mouth when I get totally frustrated, and when it gets going, look out! I apologize... Seriously. I don't want bad blood between us. I do have a POV, of course. We all do. But in an entry that is explaining the traditionalist POV (where there is ``the`` trad POV), it matches. And when it comes to external links/further reading (not ``sources``), then traditionalist websites deserve to be represented as much as others. I mean, on a page on Hannukah, there might be a link to ``An Orthodox Hannukah`` or ``Reformed Readings for Hannukah,`` but with Dominick it seems to be only his way or no way. He can't add a link for balance, or add ``a traditional Catholic site`` tag, or group links under headings as you did; he removes and replaces and mischaracterizes in the edit summaries. I am totally fine with any links to my site being labelled ``a traditional Catholic site`` or what not (though I think the same thing ought to work in the other direction such that EWTN, for ex., is labelled a ``conservative`` or ``neo-conservative`` site not that I am worked up about going through Wiki and making it so, but the point remains). I'm glad you liked at least most of the page on the Rosary! (I think if you looked at the links mentioned in my RfC, you will actually like them, too at least most of them. Seriously, check this section of the site out, and the sub-sections inside of it, like the ``Customs of the Liturgical Year`` section. There is nothing like it out there on the Net, and I'm not finished yet!) But your words show the key differences between traditionalists and conservatives/neo-conservatives: you use the phrase ``attacks on Pope John Paul II`` with regard to the footnote about trads' opinions that changing the Mysteries of the Rosary was unwise, but we don't see it as an ``attack`` but a criticism. Even St. Paul himself resisted St. Peter, our first Pope, ``to the face`` when His Holiness did an unwise thing (Galatians 2), and St. Catherine of Siena used to write letters to the Pope, basically telling him to act like a man LOL Our differences pretty much come down to different understandings of infallibility, to perceptions of our ability to criticize and resist prudential, pastoral decisions, and to our different notions of Christian obedience (and here different trads have different opinions as to what should be obeyed or rightfully resisted, because that is a prudential concern in itself, one that each Catholic has to study and pray about). But no matter whether you and Dominick and I agree or not (we don't have to agree to be decent to each other, and some of my favorite people are conservative Catholics!), there is a trad ``movement`` out there, and we have as much ``right`` to be heard as anyone else. Or imagine that we're not even Catholic at all and there's a page on the Rosary: no one would remove a link to ``Anglican Rosary practices.`` I just feel as if the traditional viewpoint is being censored, and it frustrates me (it doubly frustrates me when links like this aren't only removed, but are labelled ``blog`` or ``[[monograph|monographs]``. It's beyond belief, really, that he is allowed to get away with it). I will promise you this: from here on out, if I add any links to the site (only on relevant pages, of course), I will use the word ``a traditional Catholic site`` or some such after it, or will group links so that the fact that it is a trad site is clear. If I come across any older links that have already been added (and not all have been added by me, BTW), I will edit to do the same. Sound good? I am glad you wrote; I feel TONS better already... `
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:Indeed, the term is closely related to the reputation of the newspaper. | ==Arabic newspapers== I've taken the liberty of adding some Arabic newspapers, despite the fascistic yet justified hidden comment. I don't think these are likely to be controversial. |
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Umm, if this movie has not even been started (pre-production) and there is some speculation as to whether or not it will ever be created, how can it possibly be released in 2006? Especially since JP movies are traditionally released in the summer.
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` ::I explained some time ago why I feel this entire paragraph should be removed as unverifiable speculation, not to mention an irrelevant distraction in a short biography of Einstein. If someone feels it is terribly important to have this (mis?)-information mentioned somewhere in the Wikipedia, I'd suggest creating a seperate article on ``unverifiable speculations concerning Albert Einstein``.- `
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== Names == Should the names of the mesons be redirected here, to the list of mesons or to another article?
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Then help me make it more 'nuetral'
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No problems Pete. I have emailed you regarding this. We're both interested in the same clan here and the references from this region are few and far between. Unfortunately many of these 'bigot' have a good chunk of it, but it's important to review it as you have said to establish the truth as opposed to agendas and rhetoric. Hopefully we can work together on this and shed some more light on this fascinating history.
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Thanks for letting me know (to update it anyway).
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: I’m so sorry that I have been constantly accused of using sock puppetry (among other things). First I was accused by that is one of my sock puppets and in the last time I’m repeatedly receiving accusations from , and about being my sockpuppet. As I said once before, that is simply NOT true. Nonetheless, during my block I anonymously did some corrections in the Kumanovo article, but that is not a proof of sock puppetry. How could you make assumptions based only on the fact that some user had been using the same IP address as me? I discussed the Kumanovo dispute to some of my colleagues and friends here and it is very likely that somebody used the same IP address as me in order to join the discussion. Therefore I have no reason to be ashamed and I don’t intend to continue with future explanations about my alleged sock puppetry.
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There is nothing to prove: (i) A negative number is defined as the product of any non-zero positive real number. (ii) The product of any number by zero is zero. This is well-defined. -0 means -1 * 0. (iii) Since -1 is a negative number and the by (ii) the product of any number by zero is zero, it follows that -1 * 0 = 0. But -1 * 0 = -0, therefore -0 = 0.
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Melchoir, my logic is flawless and I know very well what you are trying to do. You might as well give up here because there is no analogy between this proof and 0.999... = 1. There is simply no way you can start off with 0.999... and end up with 1 using transitivity of equality. Why? Because 0.999... is not equal to 1. It is less than 1.
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No, he has a valid point and I have proved it very easily. See above proof.
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` (negative to Sustrans - ``ripping up trees``, etc)`
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These messages keep getting censored by the notorious Steinskly, a Sustrans employee deseperate to conceal the reality of his patron. Could we please have that person banned?
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I SIMPLY want to state WHAT the public reaction was. Seeing that you already overly express that it was sad for many people, I wished to express the opposite end of the spectrum. Being in this spectrum, I felt it even more necasery. But if this is just going to be a whine fest fuck it
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== oi == I've had enough of your threats mr. Sort yourself out.
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and no of course it doesn't work, anyone can just use a proxy to evade the ban, your a fcking dumbass.
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equal or greater than zeor
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Conclusion Dude's a total pimp. I mean, did you see him sitting there in that chair? Exudes pimpocity, I tells ya.
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== World Kannada Conference- Metro DC area 2006 ==
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== sweet thanks == Thank you for your assistance, I am glad that you consider my edits constructive and would like me to continue contributing to the site and learning more about how to do so.
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== Wow == Ya'll are smoking some crack then, eh? Stop leaving kinky messages in my talk page, ya sexually harassing bitchez.
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YOU! Talk to the hand!
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Yakety Yak Here's a glove slap:
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This is the VERY hand uses to molest your children!
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` == Railroad Earth == With the cleanup you've provided it's now obvious that it's not a vanity page. My mistake. '''' / `
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` ````The Network has been criticised for sometimes creating new car traffic as users drive to access points for recreational cycling, and the network is yet to meet its target of being 60% utility cycling`` needs sourcing... who has criticised it? Snooo `` That awkward sentence was created by the clumsy Steinsky, who added the criticism bit to a simple statement of fact that Sustrans did not meet the agreed conditions of millennium funding, eg that the network would be for 60% transport cycling. There has been other extensive vandalism here by Steinsky, who also removed the very significant piece of information that Sustrans are not a membership organisation. That is verifiable via the Charity Commission, but a most inconvenient fact for those who want to imply that Sustrans is in some way democratic and accountable. There may be as few as three actual members, and they are notorious for listening to no one and steamrollering counterproductive schemes despite valid objections. It's really unfortunate that the Sustrans disinformationists have made this page read like a Sustrans publicity flyer, they should be ashamed of themselves.`
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== FundRasing my Ass. == Setting aside the protypical psychotic paranoid ramblings and mumblings about the dangers of Ann Coulter from the left wing kook above, I thought you Dummkopfs...er...I mean...Solar System Exploration Physicists...would be encouraged to know how WELL my PHASE II- STOP THE FUNDING plan has worked in forcing Wikipedia to change. See the link below: http://wikipediaclassaction.org/ Yours Truly, Big Daddy ps I told you it wasn't nice to be mean to Big Daddy...
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=Test= is this going on the talk page? beckjord
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== Dear Liberal Kook aka Respected Wikipedian == I thought you Dummkopfs...er...I mean...Solar System Exploration Physicists...would be encouraged to know how WELL my PHASE II- STOP THE FUNDING plan has worked in forcing Wikipedia to change. See the link below: http://wikipediaclassaction.org/ Yours Truly, Big Daddy ps I told you it wasn't nice to be mean to Big Daddy...
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=Beckjord to Nlu= I'll try again. I ask you to stop claiming vandalism and sock pupperty against me. You are overzealous, and you assume mistakes are vandalism. Please back off. beckjord
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Yeah, it was just soooo gracious of you to blackball Gator from becoming a Wikipedia WitchDoctor or admin or whatevertheheck you call it, simply because he asked for consistency and evenhandedness. I'm glad you guys are going down. It couldn't have happened to a nicer group of wack-jobs. Your Pal, Big Daddy
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== Whoooo HOOO Kitty!! == I thought you Douchebags...er...I mean...Microelectric Circuit Engineers...would be encouraged to know how WELL my PHASE II- STOP THE FUNDING plan has worked in forcing Wikipedia to change. See the link below: http://wikipediaclassaction.org/ Yours Truly, Big Daddy ps I told you it wasn't nice to be mean to Big Daddy...
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` :#The section is entitled ``Gospels``, and speaks of what they have to offer in terms of whether or not Jesus existed. Let the synpotic problem be dealt with there...that's certainly appropriate. But redirect ``Gospels`` to Gospels. Anything else is clearly POV. :#Mark 16 does have bearing, but the accounts in Matthew and Luke (and even John) are independent of Mark, so Mark 16 is but one issue among many. Even the ``shorter ending`` implies that something happened (no body, for instance). But none of this is mentioned. Why? POV. :#Pagels is already discussed earlier in the article...why mention her and her views twice? Mention it once...that Pagels believes there's a Gnostic factor, which the rest of mainstream scholarship refutes. Then move on. Why bring it up...almost verbatim...again? POV. :#Again, mention Paul, that we can't really say a whole lot because of the authorship question (which is legitimate), and move on. Why bring in more radical, less accepted fringe ideas? POV. :#I am a fan of legitimate Biblical scholarship. I believe in the four source theory of the Pentateuch; I don't believe in a literal 6-day creation or in Noah's Ark; I don't believe any of the Gospels to have been written by the men whose names they bear; I believe that the Pastorals and several other Pauline letters are pseudonymous. I am no conservative. What I don't like is POV pushing and fringe claims in the name of scholarship. It is disingenuous and inaccurate. We can do better on Wikipedia. :: Why is this discussion taking place here and not at Talk:Historicity of Jesus? I can see alerting editors here to concerns about that related article, but the detailed discussion should be over there, IMO. :I agree. == This woodwork picture == What's the deal here? Do we want this or not? Keeps getting added and taken away and now it's vandalism....I'm confused. What are people's opinion in this regard. I for one have no problem with it and am, frankly, at a loss, as to why this seems to be an issue. Am I missing something? :It's an issue because there are no records of what Jesus looked like, so it is best not to have a guess in the intro. If we want that picture, than put it somewhere other than the intro. I think the picture's wierd. So I don't want it at all. And it doesn't make any sense, because there's no evidence that Jesus' disciples were children during his ministry. Yeah OK I can see that. I'm not sure that I buy the arguments that we can't have any picture in the intro, but I agree that this one is not the best. Anyone else? ::I wonder whether we could have a montage of a number of different representations? That could look rather good and get across the fact that we don't know what he looked like and that people see Jesus in many different ways. :::I kinda like this pic, from a BBC special. But I defer. == Ok OK let's talk this through == There is some dispute and edit warring concerning whether the phrasie ``(though there is no other record of such)`` should be included in the following sentence: Then, following what the Bible says was a Passover tradition (though there is no other record of such), Pilate offered the crowd a choice of which prisoner to free — Jesus of Nazareth, or an insurrectionist named Jesus Barabbas. I have researched this, lightly, and it looks like most claim that there is no other record of this tradition apart from the Bible. So I can see where Jay is coming from. However, doesn't the phrase ``what the Bible says`` kind of cover that issue. Why say it twice in parantheses. That doesn't strike me as encyclopedic and seems to inject some POV into a statement that already, essentially, gets that point across. How about adding commas so it reads: ``Then, following what, the Bible says, was a Passover tradition Pilate offered the crowd a choice of which prisoner to free — Jesus of Nazareth, or an insurrectionist named Jesus Barabbas. That emphasizes it a bit more. Or how about parantheses so it reads: ``Then, following (what the Bible says was) a Passover tradition (though there is no other record of such), Pilate offered the crowd a choice
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Oh yeah? Read the proof again. It's okay for the product to be negative zero! I am not saying this is incorrect. I am making no assumptions: I showed that -1 * 0 = 0 and then I showed that -1 * 0 = -0 and by transitivity of equality (what this means is that the left hand side which is the same equals the rhs of 0 and -0 respectively, therefore 0 and -0 must be the same) these are equal. No rocket science required here Melchoir.
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== Football World Cup 2006 (qualification UEFA) == .
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` :::::::That is one possibility. If we want to use the existing Template:Guideline, the issue comes down to knowing exactly how many people are required to say that ``many editors agree with`` it. The Template:Guideline does not say that the guideline was approved by the Cabal, so we can use any process we want to get the ``many editors`` to formally agree with it if we want the Template:Guideline sticker. Personally, I don't like that template, nor do I think that Carbonite would ever commit to a specific number of people as being ``many editors.`` For that reason, I agree that we should create our own template that does not require ``many editors,`` and probably has better looking graphics, but I don't see why we would have to get the new template approved by anyone except those affected by it. `
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`::::::I have seen the concept of not reverting widely practiced. I've discussed it so many times, including on this talk page, that I thought it would be beneficial to have a central repository of information to which anyone who adopts this concept can add. If the Cabal has a monopoly on the word ``guideline,`` then we can call something else, but these principles don't belong to me, and I'm certainly not the only person who follows them or who can benefit from their use. Placing them in my personal user space gives me more credit than I'm due. I first noticed other editors like and implementing these principles instead of reverting. `
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:Thank you for the time and effort you spent.
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` When I watched Gattaca, I assumed that the 6-fingered piano artist wasn't genetically bread, but that he was conceived through sex. Apparently the gene coding for six fingers is dominant. If he was an ``invalid`` or ``love-child``, it's quite possible that he would have been born with six fingers. I thought it was a nice touch by the director, showing how an unchosen mutation in a naturally born child resulted in a genetic advantage over genetically designed children.`
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This page is confusing: where is the stuff about trees? There seems to be an element of paranoia creeping in, with all edits being attributed to just two users. Page seems to have changed rapidly in last week, looks like Steinsky deletes any changes anyone makes and cries vandalism. (What is a user page?) It really is a poor article and would be best kept short and factual and with as few links as possible so it does not serve as an advertisement.
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==A message from our sponsors==
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:::That goes without saying. Everyone who's edited for more than a week knows that content takes a back seat to Cabal loyalty at Wikipedia.
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` ::*I think Not Hired works best since ``Unfit`` is more with Martha and ``Turned Down`` delivers the same message but is more consistent. I'll change it to Not Hired for now, but I'm not gonna be the one carrying on an edit war `
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` ::::::I'm sure you don't want an 8-page report on the differences between the various groups, so I created a diagram for your convenience. Sometimes a picture is worth a thousand words. In this case, I think it shows what I could scratch the surface with in about 10,000 words. Adding citations might bring it up to 12,000, but the ratios involved will always be subjective. I will never be able to get a million Jews to sign a statement that they are against Zionism, for instance, but based on the people I've talked to, I think that about 35% to 40% are. That percentage could be off, but I personally have talked to many people of all faiths and ethnic backgrounds, from all around the world, who think that the methods of the Zionists are despicable, and who will not fight with the Zionists when the end comes and the sides are chosen. ::::::If you believe President Bush when he says, ``If you are not with us, you are against us,`` then it looks like the sides have already been chosen. I don't think there's very many people with the side of the Crusaders and Zionists. If the only other position is against the Crusaders and Zionists, then I feel comfortable with the numbers of my side during the upcoming apocolypse. ::::::I started this article because someone in al-Qaeda asserted that al-Qaeda is the same as the Front. It isn't, so I changed the al-Qaeda article to more accurately describe it as a subset of the Front. After that, people wanted to know what the Front was, so I started this article. I didn't put the original reference to the Front in the al-Qaeda article; I merely clarified it. There are a lot of groups in Islam that don't like the United States or Israel. I realize that its easier to combine many of these groups into a general idea when talking about them, but thinking of the larger International Front for Jihad against the Jews and Crusaders, which is really more of a movement, as the same thing as al Qaeda, is perhaps too much of a generalization. You could generalize the World Islamic Front as loose enough to be the same thing as the International Front for Jihad against the Jews and Crusaders except that the World Islamic Front only has Islamic members. That means that most of the people in Bush's ``against us`` category could not be part of the World Islamic Front. ::::::Your assertion that ``bin Laden certainly would have no part of such a front as you describe,`` is absolutely untrue. bin Laden isn't a racist. He encourages any group that helps his cause and has often appealed to American and Jews to control the crimes being committed in their names by their leaders. `
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== Circumcision debate == Jake, I've moved your debate on circumcision to a subpage of your user talk (User talk: JakeW/Circumcision debate). Talkpages of articles, even subpages, aren't meant to be Usenet-style debate forums. I don't want you to find yourself in the shit for doing that.
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His name is fucking Cohen. Enough said.
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== Contradiction? == In the article it says that the corpse was one homeless Glyndwr Michael, but at the linked site about his grave it says that he was indeed a British major called Glyndwr Martin. Could anyone clarify that?
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== A few questions == Hello everyone. I realize that I might be trying to plant a patch of daisies in no-man's-land between two trenches filled with people who don't like each other at all, but I'll press on regardless. Here are a few questions I have that I think might make this article better, but I'm afraid I'm not familiar enough with the relevant naming conventions to know if they would help. *Is he Ben Zion Halberstam (The Second) or Ben Zion Halberstam II? Or perhaps Ben Zion Halberstam the Second? *Would a succession box help for the succession of the Grand Rabbi of the Main Bobover Synagogue? I think I'll go ahead with this one based on info in the articles, but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
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::::Oh come on. I've seen far worse. I propose that we get the historical data up to the present (including 2005) and see if the the linear, 2nd order, and 3rd order polynomial fits don't all more than double their prediction for 2050. If I'm right will you retract that comment, Anastrophe?
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` I thought that his name was ``Brutus``, but Popeye said ``Bluto`` because Popeye ahd a speech impediment.....John Stewart Miller`
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Maybe you could use this picture for your wikiproject userbox? Image:Fairytale apply.png
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Just some minor wording changes and move some of the pictures around a bit. I'll make some edit/suggestions and see if you approve. Oh and about those pics, you have them all properly credited right? There seem to be a few who live for shooting very good articles merely because some of the images in them are not attributed to their satisfaction. Otherwise, you've done a great job so far!
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==Madonna discography== Hi. We have the problem at the Madonna article that it's too blown up. I think we shouldn't split the discography in 3 discographies now. It's more important to clear the articles and remove unnecessary parts and improve the quality. The album details can be found at the album main articles.
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== s11 work being destroyed ( == The article was at a *REALLY* good quality, well referenced, as good as you are going to get, and then someone (its hard not to use expletives here) came along and destroyed everything, and says its all speculation with no real value. Can you get some people to help to make sure that it stays in a good form? They were trying to remove all references to 9/11 conspiracy theories, put simply. I was pretty upset about the whole thing. Whilst earlier efforts were vaguely constructive, this last one is verging on vandalism and is very disruptive. I reverted his edits, but there's a big agenda there somewhere, and they are lying and distorting the truth. I'd rather see it deleted outright than be abused like this. Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist
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:We should probably discuss censorship issues and improper use of developer powers in the proper place: :
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I did not vandalize anything you dick == I have never removed an article, only edited it to better standards of scholarship and writing. If you dont like my style, do what everyone else does and edit the fucking thing ==
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:Hrmm... I cannot for the life of me find a general map of US pipelines with descriptions. All I have is that one you sent, and it's just too complex and undefined to use. Surely there must be more out there! I'm all googled out.
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Wikipedia is not a place to posit various theories of your own. Please include source material citations when posting theories. -
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`You're really a glutton for punishment. From the notice posted on your talk page by [User:Jdforrester] on 4 December 2005, implementing the ArbComm decision: ``You, [names of other users removed] are all placed on Probation for topics relating to China for a year. This means that any sysop, in the exercise of their judgement for reasonable cause, documented in a section of this decision, may ban you or them from any article which relates to China which you or they disrupt by inappropriate editing.`` Arbcomm made a finding of fact that you had engaged in inappropriate edit warring and concluded that your behavior required a year-long probation. The full arbitration ruling is here . That you would even suggest in passing that the statement was inaccurate demonstrates your lack of good faith and refusal to abide by Wikipedia's decisionmaking processes a refusal, I would note, that is mentioned, in a different context, in the discussion on the arbitration evidence page. ::::`
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== It eventually (half) admits who it is == Tom, have you seen the sock puppet's latest half admittance? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Missionary) I made a reply, not sure if he will try and delete the lot, better take a look and say a word about all the time he has wasted.
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` :``On the contrary, it has been others who have been POV pushing.`` Your opinion is not supported by facts or consensus, both of which you repeatedly deny the existance of. I'm not going to waste any more of my time trying to reason with you, I'm only going to insist that you respect the project and goals by following its policies and not waste the time of others with tendentious and mendacious objections to content that enjoys wide support. `
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I created this template so nintendo gamers have something they can use.
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` ==Croce as a source== As and I have both pointed out, Professor Pietro Croce's book is not an appropriate source for the definition of the world. I searched Amazon.com again for ``Pietro Croce`` and got ZERO hits. The fact that Amazon doesn't list it even as an out-of-print book certainly suggests that it is an obscure work. A Google search turns up a handful (693) hits - many of which seem to be extremist web sites of one form or another. Croce, while there is no indication he engages in violent acts like some anti-vivisectionist (SHAC, ALF, etc.) is certainly a holder of extreme views in the sense that he says he wants to do away with all animal experimentation - a view not shared by many of his colleagues. Therefore, I think any references to him are potentially POV.`
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David Gerard, when you block everyone who has called anyone a troll, then you can block me for implying it. Otherwise, the truth will come out about why you really blocked me. It might be better if the editors of Wikipedia heard it from you. Out of respect, I'll give you a short period of time to come clean.
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I just removed the whole dumb section.
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` == Zefilia == In ``Slayers the Movie``, Lina says that she comes from Zefilia. I wonder if this shuould be included. doberdog`
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If I was so wrong, than report me. The consensus agrees with that statement. And by the way, congratulations- you're the first user I've seen who gave barnstars to themself.
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== Emico gave barnstars to himself == Just thought you might want to see: .
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Yea only Nintendo Fool, are the fools that uses it:P
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:Because it is 1:30 a.m. in London right now, I will wait until tomorrow morning before I reveal why it is that you blocked me for implying that Carbonite was a troll, but failed to anyone else for doing the same thing. :I'm giving you every opportunity to stand up and take responsibility for your actions rather than embarrassing yourself by having someone else reveal your indiscretions. :I'll wait until morning for your answer. In the mean time, here's a little light reading: :*California Online Privacy Protection Act of 2003 :*OECD Guidelines on the Protection of Privacy and Transborder Flows of Personal Data :*http://www.ftc.gov/reports/privacy3/toc.htm :*Privacy Online: Fair Information Practices in the Electronic Marketplace :*Wikimedia Foundation Privacy Policy ::
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