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::Thanks. I couldn't find it on AfD, now I know why. I put a speedy delete tag on it.
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` ::::im trying to say that AI is KNOWN for being biased toward left wing(india is kind of socialist),being manipulative and they are KNOWN for reporting more Human Rights Violations in those country which have good law and order. ````The amount of violations of human rights in a country is always an inverse function of the amount of complaints about human rights violations heard from there. The greater the number of complaints being aired, the better protected are human rights in that country.`` In other words, those countries in which human rights are the most severely violated are also those where no freedom of speech nor press is permitted.`` `
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== Hi == hey Vlatkoto, your vote isnt counted like this. You should put ( ) in the end of your vote to sign in here . Thanx
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== Last Removals/ Additions== see comments on <>
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== This is odd == It says that the article can't be edited because of vandalism, but the vandalism was left in (that unnecessary and virtually blank table). That is strange.
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== You're wrong. == US law would not apply in this case, Nathanr. You're obviously not a lawyer, so don't pretend that you are. You don't even play one on TV.
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== Hi == hey Shanel, as a neutral administrator,i wanted to warn you about the POV pusher Khoikhoi is being requested for adminship. you can vote here ( )
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` == The Christian Convert in Afghanistan was acquitted == The text in the ``In the News`` box should be updated.`
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` :Everybody can see on your user page that you are Serbian nationalist. Why are you so nationalistic? A term ``serbophopbia`` simply does not exist in the English language. `
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Please stop. If you continue to blank pages, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. )
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I am really confused about this. There are so many simialr club names - some replacing others. There is a website http://www.thornemoormarauders.ik.com/ but is it for this club or one of the clubs that this club split from? If anyone who knows anything about RLF clubs can sort this out...
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I missed a link. It is this club. The article is actually a complete lift of the website.
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` == == Hi, please turn the fair use images on this page (I understand you used to use that username) into a list of links or something like that as soon as possible. Wikipedia policy doesn't allow fair use images to be displayed in userspace (see Wikipedia:Fair use#Policy), and acording to you have 56 of them on that page (if you have fair use images on other userspace pages please fix those too). Thanks in advance. `
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` ==Crossing The Rubicon== Yep, I was afraid of crossing that river(the figurative one, not the actual one in Italy, which I hear is quite nice), but unfortunately when you feel like your back is against the wall, like i've been made to feel during the past few months, usually that's the way people go. You might be right, only time will tell. However, in any case, I will be me, regardless of what that is, and if Wikipedia can't accept that, it's Wikipedia's loss. I'd love to stick around, and i'd love to find a middle way, but I probably can't do that right now(thus the psuedowiki-break), and I wonder if it'll ever happen with the way things are here at Wikipedia. In any case, thank you for your message. a '''''' `
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==inevitable development== sadly, people, the inevitable has happened: one of britain's most notorious far-right publications has pounced on the trivial link between patrons of jewish care and the 'cash for peerages' contretemps: :The scandal has also thrown a rare shaft of light on to the private world of Lord Levy and his web of connections with business and charities. They show that many of the Labour lenders had initially been donors to Lord Levy's favourite charities, such as the Community Service Volunteers, Jewish Care and the NSPCC. Three of the 12 who gave Labour loans Andrew Rosenfield, Barry Townsley and Sir David Garrard are also patrons of Jewish Care. The Aryan Advertiser typical 'conspiracy theory' drivel, but all the same it's touching that three goyim should feel such concern for the british-jewish community, am i right? lemon or lime?
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More for QFT: I didn't understand the word real you put before representations. Representations are counted by natural numbers, so I don't think there's any confusion that they can be double-counted by not specifying real. But more importantly, people say that the Majorana rep is a real spinor rep, so I think this extra word will give people the false impression that we're counting Majorana reps. Really you count whichever rep is irreducible. About your deletion of my comments on the projective representation, it appears as though there's some maximal space for comments and so I could only read the beginning of what you wrote. And so, needless to say, I don't see what your objection is. In the part that I read, you appeared to be saying that the overall phase on a field is somehow physical, in contrast to particle wavefunctions. If this is indeed what you were saying, I disagree. I'd guess that by field you just meant the second quantized wavefunction. To talk about the spectrum it suffices to work in first quantization, but really the only difference here is whether you quantize the position and momentum or the Fourier modes of the field ... ie, in both first and second quantization an overall phase on a field or equivalently on a vector in the Hilbert space (as these are modules of the fields) does not change the physical state. Physical states correspond to rays in the Hilbert space. Are you objecting to my claim that the Hilbert space vector corresponding to a fermion doesn't transform under any rep of the Lorentz group? A rotation by 360 degrees is the identity element of the Lorentz group, thus in any representation it is the identity (because representations are homomorphisms, and homomorphisms take the identity to the identity) ... but it isn't the identity on a fermion field, it is multiplication by -1, thus its not a rep. It is, however, a projective rep.
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` ==Hello== I noticed that you have wrote on my talk page. I do know the user McFly85 personally. We both were in a computer lab checking out wikipedia one time and we talked about how the quality of certain areas of articles were a little lacking. He also told me about his tattered history on wikipedia, where he had his user page edited, without consent, by SWD316/Moe Epsilon. Then, someone else vandalized SWD316's user page, and put the blame on mcfly, which I'm fairly sure he would not do. Mcfly did make a few other accounts during a RFA as he was worried that if SWD316 would be given moderator powers, that he would be unfairly banned. And if you look at Mcfly85's edit history, he has made a wealth of good edits, mainly proofreading issues, but also a lot with NPOV, stub sorting, and even creating an article every once in awhile. In my opinion, even with all the alleged sockpuppet abuse, mcfly85 has been a strong asset to wikipedia. If it wasn't for this user, as lot of previous errors and formatting mistakes would have gone unnoticed, and would harm the quality of this site. He had no intention of becoming a moderator, but always intended to improve, even if only slightly, any article that was lacking quality. I feel bad that the actions of Moe Elipson have pretty much caused mcfly, my friend, to lose trust in this site and he has since retired his name. He did come back under another name, and made some great edits, but then, was unfairly (IMO) banned for being a 'sockpuppet used abusively``. There is a difference between being a sockpuppet and trying to use a new name to get a fresh start. But I am not mcfly85. I am fairly new to being a serious editor on wikipedia, and I was just checking some various parts of the site. I then noticed on the RFAs section that this familiar name came up, and I saw mcfly's screenname in the questions answered by Moe Elpison. I really didn't want other users have what happened to mcfly happen to them, so I voted opposed, which I am allowed to do as a user. I do not feel that I ``unfairly influenced`` the voters, I think the voting results would have been the same weather I had voted or not. And I have never heard of Araxen, and I did not create or am involved with that user. That vote should not have counted. I just wanted to explain my case to you. I also question that Moe Elipson's user page may be in violation of the no personal attacks policy. He calls McFly85 some very harsh names, such as a stalker. I think that content that bashes other users should be removed, there is no place for that anywhere. But thanks for asking, I hope to keep making solid contibutions to the encyclopedia, it's a fun hobby. `
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== Laughter at 08:48 == Does anyone know whether this is Syd laughing or not? It sounds vaguely similar to the laughter on The Dark Side of the Moon, but I'm not sure.
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: And to add, I think you did the right thing in apologising. Your suspicions and accusations may have appeared justified to you at the time, but they were simply devastating to Cool Cat.
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I will delete personal insults that have nothing to do with the talk discussion. Add them back again and I will go to an admin. Thank you.
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` WHO ARE YOU PEOPLE TALKING TO???? I DON``T EVEN MAKE EDITS TO THE ENCYLOPEDIA ANYMORE BUT YOU PEOPLE JUST KEEP SENDING ME THESE MESSAGES!!!!!`
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== Thanks for the Gerry Armstrong page == I created a Gerry Armstrong page at because User:Musical_Linguist destroyed the one at Wikipedia. Feel feel to take what you want to from my page. There is no need to provide attribution for my work: I would hope that you could, instead help Musical_Linguist and David_Gerard how seriously they suffer from the same problems that Scientology suffered when LRH was alive, recgonize their unfitness for further involvement in Wikipedia and, ideally, voluntarily quit Wikipedia altogether and forever, for else perhaps be so extensively punished as to be, for all practical purposes, forced out. AWM
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== If it raises you meter another notch... == Check out the Kira Wales page. It would have been if you had found a little bit more time to discuss the matter when you had the opportunity to. AWM
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What the fuck is wrong with you? You say I am a fucking vandal and I havn't done anything. Your bot is fucked up.
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) ::I think the more relevant point is that the Queen is the temporal head of the established church, and not the spiritual head. Were she both, then I think Tomothy would have a point. (UTC
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== Image == You left a message regarding an image I uploaded on my user page. This image, ourcottage.jpg, is of MY cottage, I took it, and it was uploaded a long time ago with no problem. I find it very strange that after so much time someone has made a copyright comment on it.
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== Photo == Someone deleted the photograph of this car. Why?
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I found out that Sega has purchased Obsidian Entertainment and thought it would be important to add this, as they are now working on a MMORPG for Sega, while Neverwinter Nights 2 is still in development.
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a ballast house is where they keep the stones placed under tracks. they are now used for track marshalls when they are working on the track - hence they now have windows. there are plenty of them around and like i said there is one where denvilles station was.
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on the picture you can see a clearing where the station building and platform foundations still exist. some of them blue bricks are still around. the blue bricks were common on the also disused section of the metropolitan line near amersham so it could have been designed by the same architech
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` ===Provocation=== I think the key right now for me seems to be saving face. I don't understand what people are talking about in regards to the welcoming considering on the matter, but if I could hear Jimbo or somebody at his level say something like... ``Karmafist, we appreciate all you've done here on Wikipedia, and we would like you to stay, and we recognize that in order for that to happen that there need to be some changes, but you'll have to trust that things can be done through current channels and your signature not only isn't necessary, but it's making the situation unfortunately worse. Please, let us work together to make Wikipedia a better place.`` If I saw that on my talk page, i'd change my sig in a second. I guess it's partially my fault that I didn't think that was possible in the first place given the atmosphere following the Userbox Wars(AGF is fine, but assuming once you should be knowing is just plain gullibility), but I hope to establish good faith from here on if possible, but it's going to take that first step. Jimbo said he'd do something like that, so I can wait for now, but if I think he just sees me as a sucker and will say anything to get me to contributing to his website again, that good faith is gone and I see no more options to work from within Wikipedia. a '''''' `
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shared IP I cant create the subpage but i will move all the old stuff there
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i've removed all the odl stuff not from this month and will place it int he archive as soona s unblocked
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***No. That's just an urban legend.
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shared IP, see notice at top of page I cant create the subpage but i will move all the old stuff there i've removed all the odl stuff not from this month and will place it int he archive as soona s unblocked
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==Stabilo singles chronology== The Flawed Design page, says in the singles chronology that it went Everybody, then Flawed Design. But wasn't One More Pill after Everybody? I don't remember exactly.
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The British Museum's official name is 'the Parthenon Sculptures'; of course, they are more than simply marbles (the raw material) but, in the UK they are commonly knows as Elgin Marbles. Candidate for re-direction: Parthenon Marbles (British Museum), or re-naming this article as, Elgin Marbles / Parthenon Sculptures.
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|-|3110...|'/v\ 7|/v\. | 1||<3 70 |-|4/v9 0|_|7 vv|7|-| /v\`/ to be continued...
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Vandalism to Tom DeLonge page. IP needs to be banned
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` ::Not at all. I am referring specifically to the introduction. I would turn your point around: if anyone thinks that putting Darwin in the introduction means that the article as a whole ``focuses`` on Darwin's definition regardless of current usage, they are mistaken, and their attitude will block progress on the article. i am not saying Darwin must be in the intro, only that if someone takes this view - (B) - they need not have any objection. | `
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Mullet man is calling us dorks? You clearly made a personal attack on the cast and crew and then turned around and back-tracked when you were called out on it.
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==:Image:Vesuvius crater wall.jpg== I'm trying to sort out the copyright status of this image that you uploaded, with the good article nomination of Third Servile War in mind. Is this a photograph you took yourself, and then released into the public domain? If so it would be a big help if you could tag it as PD-self; at the moment there is a deprecatad PD tag on it. (The picture really is stunning, btw!:-))
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== It was about content == There is a lot of content in those photos and I give a heads-up about the commercial nature of the site for those who might feel that they will not be able to resist the offer for sale of the images. Those images have a lot of content in them and you are being a hair-splitter by ripping them out just because copies of them are for sale. To do shun all art museums that have a shop atteached to them? Get a life: I am putting that link back.
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You are as empty-headed a Wikipedian as I have ever met. You obviously do not know, nor do you want to know nor do you want anyone else to know why San Francisco is a great city to live in. You are acting like a child because you refuse to view the images as they are offered for free. Historcal, exciting images of a great city. There is no other site on the web such such a good collection of images of that great city available like that for free and you want to sit there and whine because copies are also availble for ordering.
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Look, you pathetic, authority-obsessed whiner: you cannot find a better set of historical and contemporary images on the subject matter for free on the web, can you? Huh?
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Hey asshole, I'll add whatever I want aobut Edison New Jersey because this is Wikipedia.
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== The whole Bionicle matter == Oh, I did not know that wasn't alowed, and sorry for any inconviniance. But please, don't block Dark Jedi. We didn't know anything about that rule, and we will try to avoid any other incidences in the future. Let me agian express my deepest apologys for anything done against you. Thanks.
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` See? That is the stuff that I am talking about! Stop telling lies Jonathan, it was you. It is in the history, and besides you told be you posted it, and I didn't post it, and Jo didn't post it, and youare the only other one who owns the site, and you said, ``Can you tell I'm having fun posting on our sites disscusion?`` Deffinatly u, stop lieing! K!?! You could get reported for it! `
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` == Antony and the Johnsons == Well, Cardinal, is ``Antony's voice seems to channel Nina Simone and Bryan Ferry, and he has many celebrity admirers such as Philip Glass, Marc Almond, Lou Reed and the guest vocalists on I Am a Bird Now, Boy George, Rufus Wainwright and Devendra Banhart`` an opinion? Yes, of course it is. But people like you won't admit anything to the contrary. The noise is reminiscent of Nina and Bryan and has admirers, is all that is allowed. They can say it's a lovely noise. No one else is allowed to say it's not. Explain the rationale behind your thinking. Or do you think at all? Go and listen to the rubbish. Cringeworthy, it is.`
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, and has thus shown himself unworthy of the trust of the Wikipedia community
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. If you are a troll, don't post here!
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:It was not the Croats who produced Slobodan Milošević or attempted so seize parts of Serbia in the 1990s. Alojzije Cardinal Stepinac was perhaps the most honourable man in history of Croatia of the 20th century, also if compared to great statesmen like Franjo Tuđman. It was not without reason he was beatified by Pope John Paul II in 1998! ( )
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I am getting a little impatient. Of course, if you prefer, we could start here: http://www.mebaroverseers.org/
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Here, just start here, http://www.mebaroverseers.org/attorney_search.asp , enter your Bar No, and please promptly provide a copy of results. Thank you.
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I am going to make a good-faith assumption that you can reply to my request before you make any other contributions to Wikipedia.
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` == Dianetics confusion == There seems to be a bit of confusion, or maybe just poorly-constructed passages, about when Dianetics was written and published. The first mention seems to indicate he wrote it in 1950... and that it was then published in 1949. And then later, when it's talking about the ``E-meter``, it mentions a Dianetics enthusiast inventing it in ``the 1940s``. - `
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==Gnome (Bot)== sorry about the delay, I was explaing here Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#User:Gnome (Bot) ()
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` == Point Grey Secondary == Just wondering, how's the Pt. Grey Secondary article coming along? ) e.... `
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== Thanks! == Hey Deville, I'd really like thank you for taking the time to vote at my RfA. I withdrew due to certain controversies, but I appreciated your vote and hope to see you here in the future. Thanks again.
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== Thanks! == Hey TBC, I'd really like thank you for taking the time to vote at my RfA. I withdrew due to certain controversies, but I appreciated your vote and hope to see you here in the future. Thanks again.
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Why do you like your edit better?
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you have consistantly provoked the other side with your endless efforts in censorship of anything that even remotely disagrees with your view of events that occured during this tragic part of history. By not accepting the immense suffering of Turks under the hand of the Armenians and the foreign occupiers, you are in fact insluting the memory of these people. This, unfortunately has very much been the position of Armenians and their western supporters, the fact that the value attached to the lives of non christians is far less important. This sickening attitude goes on today, you just have to look at dysfunctional Iraq where hundreds of thousands of civilians have been massacred in what conveniantly known as collateral damage. If you had a more open mind and respect for others, maybe this topic would look much better today! If you are going to go back to your whining arguments of how the poor innocent armenians without provocation were massacred, please refrain from doing so because we have danced to the tune so many times already!
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:reverting is standard procedure. it's not an act of bad faith, it's an act of dispute, which is standard procedure (and neccessary for improving article quality). after a revert, esp. on a controversial page, it's usually productive for the person who made the reverted change to bring the change to the talk page and discuss it. (in pragmatic diplomacy, the status quo is given precedence in conflict situations)
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` :::: well well, looks like we have the usual suspects, Fatdix, Hectorian, Khoikhoi and Latinus from the ``Armenian Genocide`` topic who are, it seems, ganging up to hijack this topic. You fools are so predictable and pathetic, stop whining and get over your superiority complexes already! ::::: Sorry, I forgot to mention NikoSliver, the Greek fanatic who regularly tries to sully topics related to Turkey.`
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` Are you asking if there is a place in American that punishes its citizens for not voting or are you asking is there such a punishment as spitting, tying a person to a horse, and then banishing them from the area? I believe either answer is a solid n in the USA. The parody of this episode is that so much emphasize is placed on voting, especially to the younger generation which is generally less informed. Therefore, they are trying to show that it is acceptable to not show an interest in an election when both candidates hold no real interest in your personal opinions or views. However, in the spirit of South Park with its usual ``let's make fun of both sides`` it quickly comes back to say that no matter the election, it always comes down to the same two basic candidates (in which case you must vote for the lesser of two evils). [user:HumanZoom|HumanZoom] `
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` :: PKE is mentioned already in the ``official recognition`` section! To mention an unofficial organization with clear terrorist links for a second time is totally unwarranted for!!! Please remove!`
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:::::::: Again I disagree with you, if you were a bit more attentive you would have noticed that I put this issue into the talk page (see PKEand non of the instigators bothered even to respond, they were busy with a revert war. This 3rr is highly unfair in this case because the other side is ganging up so you have several contributors reverting, thereby avoiding a violation of the 3rr. I strongly suggest that you reconsider the highly POV revert!
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` :You're not helping me, User:Zora. Right now I don't want to hear anything other than an explanation for why it's okay for User:Khoikhoi to just go up there and remove the dispute tags placed in by others but it's not okay for me to replace a dispute tag with a one that better reflects the situation we're having. `
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::::::::: I ask you again to reconsider your revert, this point was submitted to the talk page but the vandals decided to ignore it and go into a revert war instead. Unless you give me a valid reason for your revert followed by the block, I cannot consider you as a neutral participant in this matter. Do you really believe that your are going to resolve this issue with this attitude of yours? Think again!
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==Watch out for the hijackers== Fadix, THOTH, Latinus, Khoikhoi, nikosilver, Hectorian etc. They are ganging up against topics related to Turks and take turns in a revert war in order to avoid violating the 3rr. These not so cunning group of Armenians, Greeks and their friends are racist Turk haters and are keen to sully any topic that is even remotely related to Turks. Please be vigilent on these serial hijackers, they operate in tandem!
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it seems you have not even bothered to read the contents of my posting above. Let me repeat myself, I RAISED THE ISSUE ON THE TALK PAGE before this became a revert war. If you wish to ignore that point, thats your perogative, but if you decide to revert and then block the site, I am afraid thats far from being considered a neutral stance. I dont know if you realize this but with your arrogant attitude and actions you have succeeded in making this matter a whole lot worse. If you were truly neutral on this matter you would have raised the issue with me and warned me regarding blocking the site. You did none of that, a bit like shooting the prisoner and then asking questions. In light of the above, I again ask you to reconsider! :
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` :: I think you actually skipped the ``friends`` part and I insist from the pattern of your posts that you are very much a Turk hater!`
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: so how do you tackle those that gang up against you? You just let them be? How conveniant!
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: you gotta be kidding you arrogant SOB!
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` :I'm not sure if agree with you on all of this. He just made this edit right after you brought this up (and I'm pretty sure he's watching this page pretty carefully). Like I said, there seems to be a double-standard here. Unless some serious reforms are made to change the way disputes are handled here, I doubt any serious editors would be willing to stay for long. The rules should be precise and enforced without discrimination. `
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The page has been vandalized 10 times.
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(hopefully i had them for free)
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::Watch lists may be used to watch vandalism and break of policies. Vandalizing a user page and making personal attacks like Bormalagurski (and you, by restoring his comments) are doing is such vandalism. ( )
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People who don't want that people need to look after what they are doing shouldn't vandalize user pages in the first place.
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I'm puzzled by the reference to 'boilerplate'. We mention bleeding, and bleeding applies to any surgery. We mention infection, and this danger applies to any surgery, too. If golden staph and methicillin resistant golden staph are growing problems in hospitals, and specifically in neonatal wards, then I can't see the problem of mentioning these dangers, especially if we mention that the problem can be controlled by scrupulous attention to hygiene . :Here is what I suggest we include in the article: ::Staphylococcal infections are a growing problem and have affected neonatal nurseries. This has led to speculation that the methicillin resistant strain (MRSA) might be a threat to newly circumcised boys. . However, scurupulous attention to hygiene can mitigate this problem . Please consider: ::It is in the public interest to draw attention to a growing medical threat. ::It is in the public interest to note that MRSA has infected neonatal nurseries. ::It is in the public interest to note that there is a way of mitigating this threat. ::It is in the public interest to note that there is speculation that methicillin resistant golden staph could be a threat to newly circumcised boys, because it is mentioned in the medical literature. :If anyone has any objection, please explain.
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(restoring personal attacks/trolling, deleting content)
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==Cindy Lauper / List of best selling music artists== Hi, I notice you keep adding Cindy Lauper to the List of best-selling music artists. The problem with your addition is that - though sourced - it is sourced from a Wikipedia page, and from 'answers.com'. If you read the page's guidelines, you'll see that Wikipedia is not accepted as a valid source for another Wikipedia article (if it was, we could just write anything we wanted); answers.com, too, is a mirror site of Wikipedia. If you want to include Cindy Lauper, please find an independent website/book/tv show that makes the claim for her record sales, or lists her sales individually so that they can be added up to 50 million +. Cheers
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:I will never stop removing personal attacks and trolling like that of Bormalagurski from my talk page. Once you have apologized for vandalizing my user talk page and promised never to do so again, I will stop watching you. ( )
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` E4, you wrote on that so some comment about why you changed your mind about it might be in order (my political views should have nothing to do with it, if you are an honest researcher). Also, the article now claims that ``Hilbert gave credit to Einstein for introducing the field equations`` in the 1916 version of his article. He never did such a thing. Also, I am not even sure that Sauer makes such a claim. Your Sauer quote in footnote 2 is on p. 51 of the pdf version of Sauer's preprint published on arxiv.org. A page before Sauer writes ``But, in the published version, he explicitly gave Einstein credit for the introduction of the metric tensor ...`` whereas you wrote ``In the final form of that article, published on March 31, 1916, Hilbert gave credit to Einstein for introducing the field equations`` which I could not find in Sauer's article. Could you give the page number for the arXiv pdf file? - `
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keep reffering to is my daring to revert him
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` : you are correct on both points - though perhaps you might find your views as being able to be expressed with rather less invective. ``Mass`` , so far as I am aware, is nowhere found in mithraic remains. ``Petros`` is found in relation to the birth of Mithras, but this can scarcely be suggested as a parallel to the Christian Saint named (in Aramaic) Cephas. ``built on a rock`` is a very different concept from ``born out of a rock``. :However, it is a reasonable question whether two - almost exactly contemporary - new religions may not have been somehow related. Many theories have been advanced with supporting evidence, some by respected scholars, and it is surely right that persons who find the evidence compelling (as personally I do not) should be able to report this in the Wiipedia.`
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`:No big deal about the block. But Khoikhoi violated 3RR and....? `
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`:::I just wanted this appear on his record so that he cannot deny it in the future. Sorry for all the whining. I try not to get into revert wars, but they know how to get on my nerves (by taking off the dispute tag). See you around. `
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`==Response==== Sorry I never got to reply to to the message you left me on my talk page: :``You can explain your comments all you want, but the fact remains that wikipedia policy dictates that we discuss articles, not users. Make sure you stick to that in the future. Additionally, adding the 'unsourced' tag to Iranian peoples is quite innapropriate. A simple look at the page shows at least 12 sources, not 0, as the tag implys.`` Well what I was trying to explain is that I never make any personal statements about him (with the exception of ``to promote a positive image of Iran and Iranians``, which, as I explained later in the same section, any person assuming good faith would take as an insult). You also might want to talk to him about accusatory statements such as this one, personally pointing me out by name. I never did anything comparable to this. Is this in accordance with your policy of ``we discuss articles, not users``???? As for the unsourced tag, it's been discussed in the talk page. The article does not provide any sources discussing the subject of the article. All the sources provided are about other ethnic groups, but they make side comments that have been taken out context and are contradictory to some of the other statements appearing on the page. The article is on Iranian peoples, so it should contain at least one source discussing who these people are. Such a source has yet to be provided. I think the article was initially meant to be written on the linguistic group of all speakers of Iranian languages, but the definition has changed considerably due to some misunderstandings (Iran is also the name of a country and some Iranian citizens see themselves as part of a greater ethnic group, that of ``Iranian peoples`` - see the article on Greater Iran for signs of this). I'm not sure what's the best way to move on from here. The article definitely has to be rewritten with a clear definition in mind, but a lot of users are not being cooperative. I'd consider any advice or mediation. Thanks, ==`
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March 2006 – March 2006]] * * * |}
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` == Content Dispute == I'm going to try and mediate the Iranian peoples dispute here could you please post your arguments there and we'll try and come to an reasonable comprimise ::::1)Hi, History section needs clarification, while linguistically all of those people are related but it does not mean that ethnically they are all related to eachother, I am pointing to the last paragraph of the history section. It should be clarified. Thanks. + ::::::: Modern Persians themselves are a diverse group of peoples descended from various Iranian and indigenous peoples of the Iranian plateau including the Elamites. Although all Persians are linguistically connected to each other ethnic backgrounds are diverse with many different cultural traits. :::::::Would something like that be preferable to you ::::::::::::::Yes, but the word Iranians instead of Persians. Persians are by themselves a member of that linguistic group. + ::::::::::::::: Ok, I stand corrected (I'm not familiar with the topic matter at hand here, I'm googling trying to find information) - if nobody objects I propse changing the paragraph to the above, it seems clearer to me :::No sorry this paragraph: Thus, not unlike the previous example of Germanic peoples involving the English, who are of mixed Germanic and Celtic origin, Iranian is an ethno-linguistic group and the Iranian peoples display varying degrees of common ancestry and/or cultural traits that denote their respective identities. + Here I meant Iranian peoples linguistically are related but it does not mean that ethnically they are all related to eachother. so the claim refering to common ethnicity in the articler is not correct. + ::: Ok, is Germanic peoples involving the English, who are of mixed Germanic and Celtic origin also an ethno-linguistic group? If so, should we add ``only`` to Iranian is an ethno-linguistic group and the Iranian peoples display varying degrees of common ancestry and/or cultural traits that denote their respective identities :::: :::::::::The Iranian people Unlike gernmanic people are from quite different etnicities like Turkic, Persian and others uncertain. The whole sentence is wrong and POV. we should drop the word common ethnicity and clarify that it is only a linguistic term'''. + ::::2)The info box does not belong here. Iranian peoples are not an ethnic group. They are several different ethnicities speaking different languages. It should be removed as in any other linguistic group. + :::::: I think you have a valid point there, I would like to see the argument to the contrary before making a recomendation though. ::::3)Aryan is a linguistic term that refers to an ancient language group that was ancestral to the Indo-European family of languages''. [http://iml.jou.ufl.edu/projects/Spring01/Millig
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`Archived== It looks like this page was already archived but the person archiving forgot to remove the archived material (or put in the link). I finished the job. ==`
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` :::: No, my point still stands, in regards to adding things like ``Quaxo is unimpressed by Tugger...`` or ``Grizabella is believed to be Munkustrap's mother...`` (etc etc) in character details, and I dont mean just you, Im referring to people who do the aforementioned things, ie their own opinions and interperatations of things in the show which havent been officially confirmed or acknnowledged. Fan opinion etc. Im sure you understand.`
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== Two web pages == Elizabeth Dinan and Fred Bauder. I find your lack of candor disturbing.
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:those are serious accusations that you are making, the ip's dont match and you are suggesting that I am a troll, thats a personal attack, I am reporting you!
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== User talk:67.160.251.14 == I find MONGO's input to be annoying. Get rid of hiim.
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== I.P. == THIS IS AN AOL IP
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==Greetings== Hey douche bag, wassup?
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