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You started it...
You most certainly did!
Sabo is clearly a better hitter than Samuel. Yet you would pinch-hit
Samuel because you predict that Samuel will be a clutch hitter and
Sabo will be a choke hitter. Right? I'd call that "predicting the
future".
Right. I would have used aspects of prior performance which have been
shown to be consistent in the past. Overall performance, L/R splits,
even matching hitting/pitching styles. All of these will give me some
advantage if used properly.
EVEN IF ALL ELSE WERE EQUAL, there would be no advantage gained by
looking at past clutch performance. And in this case, everything else
pointed to Sabo.
That comes down to the same thing. When Perez left Sabo in, he
was predicting the future, the next AB. He was predicting that
Sabo was more likely to get a hit than Samuel.
By supporting the swap, you are predicting the opposite.
Well, yes. You are aware of its existance. You claim to be incapable
of understanding it (though I suspect you are simply unwilling). Yet
you rather forcefully state the opposite. You don't seem to think the
work is worth reading (yet you obviously feel the topic is important).
I'd say this is insulting.
RIGHT! This is the beef. It has not proven to be an indicator of
future performance under *any* circumstances. At least none that
we've been able to come up with. If you know of some where it *is* an
indicator of future performance, please let us in on your secret.
Most certainly. As I have repeatedly stated, if you can come up with
a study which even *hints* at a consistent clutch ability, I would
love it! However the straightforward attempts at such a study have
all failed miserably.
Well, it was a stupid argument. (Are you honestly debating that???)
Sure, we know Sabo didn't get a hit. We have no idea whether Samuel
would have done any better or not. One AB most certainly doesn't
prove anything!
Is this simply a prediction for Chris Sabo for this year? Or is this
a prediction for *all* batters who have, over the past few years, hit
(xxx amount?) worse in the clutch than overall?
If you mean the first, then as you say, we'll just have to wait and
see. But the second is a much stronger statement. In fact, it
suggests a rule. We can then test this rule on past data to see if it
worked for recent years. I think you will agree that if the rule
didn't work last year or the year before, that it is unlikely to do
any better this year. Right?
I'm not going to get into case analysis. Sure, you can find somebody
who hit poorly from '89-'91 and then hit poorly in '92 as well. You
can also find those who hit poorly from '89-'91 and then hit *well* in
'92.
Gambler's fallacy. Unless there is reason to expect consistency, a
run proves nothing. Can you give us a reason to expect clutch BA to
correlate from one year to the next? I've seen a detailed study of
why I *shouldn't* expect it to correlate.
The "stupid" was in reference to a statement which *was* stupid. (And
I don't see how you can deny it.) As for "total idiot"? Yes. If you
prove yourself unwilling to even *consider* evidence that might
suggest that you are wrong, I would say the term fits nicely.
So tell me? Does the term fit? Or do you have an open mind? | 0 |
6,883 | FULL 1993 CALDER CUP PLAYOFF SCHEDULE AND RESULTS
home team in CAPS *=if necesary
FIRST ROUND
Springfield Indians vs Providence Bruins
Gm 1: Springfield 3 PROVIDENCE 2
Gm 2: Springfield 5 PROVIDENCE 4
Gm 3: Providence 3 SPRINGFIELD 2
Gm 4: Providence 9 SPRINGFIELD 0
Gm 5: Springfield 4 PROVIDENCE 2
Gm 6: SPRINGFIELD 4 Providence 3
(SPRINGFIELD WINS SERIES, 4-2)
CD Islanders vs Adirondack Red Wings
Gm 1: ADIRONDACK 6 CDI 2
Gm 2: ADIRONDACK 5 CDI 3
Gm 3: Adirondack 3 CDI 0
Gm 4: Adirondack 3 CDI 1
(ADIRONDACK WINS SERIES, 4-0)
Baltimore Skipjacks at Binghamton Rangers
Gm 1: Baltimore 4 BINGHAMTON 3
Gm 2: BINGHAMTON 6 Baltimore 2
Gm 3: Binghamton 8 BALTIMORE 3
Gm 4: BALTIMORE 3 Binghamton 1
Gm 5: 4/26 Baltimore at Binghamton
Gm 6: 4/28 Binghmaton at Baltimore
Gm 7: 4/30 Baltimore at Binghamton *
Utica Devils vs Rochester Americans
Gm 1: Utica 3 ROCHESTER 2 (OT)
Gm 2: ROCHESTER 9 Utica 3
Gm 3: Rochester 6 UTICA 4
Gm 4: Rochester 4 UTICA 3 (OT)
Gm 5: ROCHESTER 3 Utica 2
(ROCHESTER WINS SERIES, 4-1)
Moncton Hawks vs St John's Maple Leafs
Gm 1: St JOHN'S 4 Moncton 2 (at Halifax)
Gm 2: ST JOHN'S 3 Moncton 2 (at Halifax)
Gm 3: St John's 6 MONCTON 5
Gm 4: MONCTON 5 St John's 4 (OT)
Gm 5: 4/26 Moncton vs St John's at Halifax
Gm 6: 4/28 St John's at Moncton *
Gm 7: 4/30 Moncton vs St John's at Halifax *
Cape Breton Oilers vs Fredericton Canadiens
Gm 1: FREDERICTON 4 Cape Breton 3 (2OT)
Gm 2: Cape Breton 5 FREDERICTON 2
Gm 3: CAPE BRETON 3 Fredericton 0
Gm 4: CAPE BRETON 6 Fredericton 5 (OT)
Gm 5: Cape Breton won | 0 |
6,237 | Isn't he the guy who took shots at Jagr and Ulf in a recent Sports
Illustrated? I'm not familiar with Cherry's work, and maybe he's known
for sarcasm, but I'd have to wonder about him doing commentary for the Pens. | 0 |
4,676 |
They did last world cup and eventually lost tp Sweden in the final! | 0 |
5,254 | BASEBALL.....ALWAYS
how he
| 0 |
842 | Borchevsky is 5'9" and Gilmour is 5'11"...I think Gilmour slightly
outweighs Borchevsky. Andreychuk is also about 5'11", I think. | 0 |
6,423 | And then cosper@seq.uncwil.edu (Kit Cosper) quoth:
=>A comment made by one of the Braves announcers, attributed to
=>an anonymous player after Friday night's game,
=>
=> "I'm sorry we didn't tie it up, I wanted to see some more
=> umpiring."
=>
=>Just about sums it up.............
Sure, like Ron Gant wasn't completely out of line.
If I were Hirschbeck, I would have ejected, in order, Ron Gant, every single
last Brave who came onto the field, and possibly Bobby Cox, depending on the
language he used. Since Cox was the only Brave rung up, I suspect I would
have thrown him out too.
You simply cannot show up an umpire like Ron Gant did. It is disrespectful
of not only the home plate umpire, but of the dignity of the game.
| 0 |
394 |
Not an astute observation -- this is a straw-bullpen. The lefties,
Stanton & Mercker are strong, and Wohlers is down learning a new pitch.
The bullpen is fine, probably superior.
Also false. Gant, Nixon, Justice, Hunter, Blauser present a decent enough
offense. EVERYONE is slumping (except Blauser), not just Pendleton.
BTW, what is the story with Brian Hunter? Is he in the dog house? | 0 |
1,658 | FULL 1993 CALDER CUP PLAYOFF SCHEDULE AND RESULTS
home team in CAPS *=if necesary
FIRST ROUND
Springfield Indians vs Providence Bruins
Gm 1: Springfield 3 PROVIDENCE 2
Gm 2: Springfield 5 PROVIDENCE 4
Gm 3: Providence 3 SPRINGFIELD 2
Gm 4: Providence 9 SPRINGFIELD 0
Gm 5: Springfield 4 PROVIDENCE 2
Gm 6: 4/24 Providence at Springfield
Gm 7: 4/27 Springfield at Providence *
CD Islanders vs Adirondack Red Wings
Gm 1: ADIRONDACK 6 CDI 2
Gm 2: ADIRONDACK 5 CDI 3
Gm 3: Adirondack 3 CDI 0
Gm 4: Adirondack 3 CDI 1
(ADIRONDACK WINS SERIES, 4-0)
Baltimore Skipjacks at Binghamton Rangers
Gm 1: Baltimore 4 BINGHAMTON 3
Gm 2: BINGHAMTON 6 Baltimore 2
Gm 3: Binghamton 8 BALTIMORE 3
Gm 4: 4/24 Binghamton at Baltimore
Gm 5: 4/26 Baltimore at Binghamton
Gm 6: 4/28 Binghmaton at Baltimore *
Gm 7: 4/30 Baltimore at Binghamton *
Utica Devils vs Rochester Americans
Gm 1: Utica 3 ROCHESTER 2 (OT)
Gm 2: ROCHESTER 9 Utica 3
Gm 3: Rochester 6 UTICA 4
Gm 4: Rochester 4 UTICA 3 (OT)
Gm 5: 4/24 Utica at Rochester
Gm 6: 4/26 Rochester at Utica *
Gm 7: 4/28 Utica at Rochester *
Moncton Hawks vs St John's Maple Leafs
Gm 1: St JOHN'S 4 Moncton 2 (at Halifax)
Gm 2: ST JOHN'S 3 Moncton 2 (at Halifax)
Gm 3: St John's 6 MONCTON 5
Gm 4: MONCTON 5 St John's 4 (OT)
Gm 5: 4/26 Moncton vs St John's at Halifax
Gm 6: 4/28 St John's at Moncton *
Gm 7: 4/30 Moncton vs St John's at Halifax *
Cape Breton Oilers vs Fredericton Canadiens
Gm 1: FREDERICTON 4 Cape Breton 3 (2OT)
Gm 2: Cape Breton 5 FREDERICTON 2
Gm 3: CAPE BRETON 3 Fredericton 0
Gm 4: CAPE BRETON 6 Fredericton 5 (OT)
Gm 5: 4/24 Cape Breton at Fredericton
Gm 6: 4/26 Fredericton at Cape Breton *
Gm 7: 4/28 Cape Breton at Fredericton *
(note about this series: the AP reports that CB has won this
series 4-1, but in the original schedule, Game 5 wasn't supposed
to be until tonight and I only have the Oilers as being up 3-1) | 0 |
511 |
This is certainly not the case. There is no significant *ability* toi
perform in the clutch, but clutch performance certainly happens every
time there is a game-winning hit. The "clutch pitching" quoted above is
something which happened, not a claim that any particular player should
be expected to be a clutch pitcher.
Simple statistics tell me that there is a 2% chance an average clutch
hitter would have this large a split (the average decrease is 7 points,
standard deviation about 30). There will be such hitters in any league,
just as there will be hitters who hit poorly on Tuesdays.
And there is only a very weak correlation (.01 in my best study) between
clutch hitting in the last four years and clutch hitting this year,
probably because most of the clutch data is determinaed by luck rather
than any ability. *Based only on this data*, I don't see any reason to
pinch-hit for Sabo, or any other player who had been a poor clutch
hitter in the past.
But there are many other factors involved in a decision to pinch-hit.
Does the pinch-hitter give you a platoon advantage? (Any portion of
Sabo's clutch split that results from his platoon split is certainly a
real ability, even if it has nothing to do with clutch hitting.) Do you
have a singles hitter at the plate when you need a home run? Do you
have a curveball pitcher facing a batter who has trouble with curves?
| 0 |
7,353 | Have the rules for goalies' equipment changed? It seems that e.g. glove
has become bigger and bigger all the time (and pads too), and the goalies are
wearing "over size" jerseys. Am I dreaming? If you watch old photos or
films let say about ten years back, I think the difference is quite obvious.
Who is an expert on this, please let me know. (Or have the goalies become
bigger?) | 0 |
6,746 |
What the hell are U talking about? ESPN showed Pens/Devils game as advertised.
BUt the morons at ESPN should know that Pens will kick Devils ass and the
game will be boring. I'd rather see Boston/Buffalo game which seems to be
an exciting series since noone had expected Buffalo to get past the first
round.
Well let's hope they change their mind on THU's game and show some other
game. The Pens series is really getting boring. I want to see some
exciting game no matter who wins. If NHL wants a major network contract
then they better put some brains in ESPN people.
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892 |
I think a compromise would work; namely honouring personages in
Conference names, and using geographical references in the divisional
names. Although I still do not think the move will draw fans to the
game; IMO it's a cosmetic change that Bettman and the owners _hope_
will have an effect. And it doesn't say much for the mentality of
anybody it works on, either.
Surprise, I agree totally. The points system is fine, if everybody at all
times has played the same number of games. Since this is almost never the
case, winning percentage is the way to go. I don't particularly care if it
is an "American" thing either, if it works.
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5,646 |
I don't buy this at all. I think things are colored to a very large
degree of preconceived notions of who the players involved are. Try
this exercise:
XXX is pitching today. His team scores 4 in the first inning, and 3
in the fourth. XXX gives up 0 in the 1st through 4th. In the fifth,
he gives up 3 runs. In the 6th, he gives up 2 more. The score is now
7-5, with XXX's team still on top.
I contend that if XXX were Jack Morris, the assessment would be "he is
a gutty veteran who pitches only as well as he has to to win."
If XXX were Mike Trmbley, the assessment would be "he is an
inexperienced rookie who doesn't know how to pitch. Needs more
seasoning. Send him to AAA. Or to the spice rack."
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3,350 |
How about,
Frank Jacksonsuck-Bolick
or
Frank "Cake Icing" Bolick
or
Frank it's not a cow but a Bolick
or
Frank How Do you get a ribbon to stay on a birthday present Bolick
or
Frank "Burns" Bolick
or
Frank Lee Bad Player Bolick
or
Frank "I Suck, not" Bolick
and so on.
Matt Wall * wall@cc.swarthmore.edu * Hey, I gotta job here, OK? | 0 |
779 |
There's nothing wrong with a red neck. Why, some of us hicks even
listen to cultured music and such, can you say the same? Aside from
that, you shouldn't try to shit on this guy by insulting where YOU
think he comes from. Where I'm from, we milk cows, drive trucks, and
yes, even like baseball. So screw anyone that doesn't like it.
Oh yeah, learn the difference between to and too city-boy! (see below)
-thom
unnumbered wanna-be member of the Bob Knepper Fan Club (BKFC)
| 0 |
6,616 |
I heard yesterday that Pocklington was talking with folks at Copps
that afternoon (yesterday).
| 0 |
1,096 |
[detailed explanation deleted..]
Indeed, you have struck right at the heart of our disagreement. To
rebut my opinion, you have made an analogy with a game of chance.
Your hypothesis assumes that the Lotto players have no impact on
the selection of the numbers, and hence their ability to win.
Well, that's certainly true in Lotto. But it has absolutely
NOTHING to do with the sport of baseball. When you start down
the wrong path, you finish down the wrong path.
I repeat. I do not think that statistical analysis of prior clutch
hitting performance is an accurate predictor of future clutch hitting
performance.
I do, however, think that analysis of prior clutch hitting performance
may, for some players, indicate a deficiency in their game that indeed
will provide a basis for projecting their particular future performance.
And I think Chris Sabo is such a player.
-- The Beastmaster
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4,958 |
The Phillies have won two games back to back in extra innings. Last
night's game was hard fought. The game in Chicago should have been a
blow out. All in all these two games show a different Phillies team.
In past seasons they tended to always be on the short end of 1 run
games. I don't know how many times I saw them losing by only 1 run.
If they were able to win most of those, they might have been more of
a contending team. They are 3-0 so far in extra innings. And of
course, they are 10-3.
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780 |
Bob, sex is already ALL OVER baseball! Do you think those uniforms
can get ANY TIGHTER??
Todd Hundley's could be, I suppose; he seems to favor the
Carlton Fisk baggy-pants style. Very unfortunate. Todd, word to the
wise: if ya got it, flaunt it! | 0 |
6,880 | Don't expect to get top quality, just some toughness. I don't
view Makarov as a player who would add toughness.
Nelson, you're confusing skill and toughness.
Hey, get off the McGill/Hammond thing. I'm no fan of either. My
point is that last year the Sharks had toughness that was missing
this year. This year we had more skill, I'm all for that, but
if your skill players keep getting beat up and injured they
can't do you much good. Whether it's a cheap shot or not you
can't let the other teams push you around. The 1992-93 Sharks
simply got pushed around to much. Other teams knew this.
They knew they could aggressively check the Sharks and not
pay for it. Adding some players in the off season who will
add some toughness to the team will help insure that next
season other teams will be more hesistant to vigorously
check our skill players, or to take cheap shots. It doesn't
guarantee no injuries (nothing does), but it's something the
Sharks can do to reduce the number of injuries.
mark
just say | 0 |
6,443 | According to an article in the LA Times, Todd Worrell will not
be ready to come off the DL list Friday. It sounds like
he has had another set back in his come back. At present,
he has stopped throwing the ball. Supposedly, he had
no velocity. It doesn't sound like there is any particular
time table at this point for when he will be back. | 0 |
2,643 |
*>
*>McGill/Hammond -> Johan Garpenlov. Would you really rather have those two
*>instead of Johan?
*
* By your logic then you enjoy having Falloon and Ozolinsh on
* injured reserve?
*
Falloon was hurt on a clean check. He just fell poorly. Same with Wilson.
I don't know about Ozolinsh. A judo coach would do more for the Sharks
injury situation than Bob Probert.
Actually, a judo/ju-jitsu coach could help add a really interesting
wrinkle to anyone's game.... | 0 |
2,107 | I hear ya! Then again, we must remember that we are indeed Cub fans, and
that the Cubs will eventually blow it. After all, the Cubs are the easiest
team in the National League to root for. No Pressure. You know they will
lose eventually. Oh well, I suppose we must have faith. After all, they
do look pretty good, and they don't even have Sandberg back yet.
CUBS IN '93!!!!! | 0 |
4,564 |
Can't we just stick this guy in the FAQ and stop responding to him,
guys? The last several flame-wars with him have been pretty much identical.
Could someone just collect all the articles from this one, and simply
re-post the entire block whenever he tries to start one? It'd be simpler.
Roger apparently is one of those embarassing specimens who enjoys flames.
Why give him what he wants?
Oh, Roger.. You're dull.. very dull... You should get a new act. | 0 |
5,937 |
Tickets are very hard to get, even at the box office at Camden Yards.
If you really want to see a game here (I go to school in Baltimore),
price should not be an issue. Tickets go up to $15, but you should be willing
to go as high as $20-25 if you really want to come.
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7,292 | 0 | |
5,047 | I'm
the
tickets
Grrrr, let's start a whole 'nother topic on show bad the sharks are doing on
these things. I swear that ALL of my partial plan games were televised (I
know, I'm exaggerating, but...).
In order:
-the new ticket prices suck
-wait 'till people try to park at games next year. Public transit? Yeah
right, I'd love to take caltrain for 3 hours to see a 3 hour game.
Shelling out hundreds of dollars for partial season plans for two years
doesnt mean anything to the sharks, as I get to pick my seats after the dead
rise from their graves to claim their seats! :-)
-Frank | 0 |
6,008 | Reports in Ottawa today say that the Senators have come to a verbal
agreement with last seasons first pick and 2nd overall choice Alexei
Yashin on a 5 year deal. As well the Senators have signed their second
round pick Chad Penney who is currently playing for the Sault Ste. Marie
Greyhounds in the Ontario Junior league playoffs. | 0 |
4,922 |
Well then given your definition of "best" is it not conceivable that
Alfredo Griffin could bring something to a team that that team needs
to win while Larkin might not have that something the team needs?
Would Griffin then be better than Larkin?
No, I am not trying to define the quality of an individual, at least not
for the purpose of ranking them. Toronto won with Olerud. They might
have won with Fielder. They might not have won with Thomas. Detroit
might have won with Thomas. Chicago might have won with Fielder. You
can't rank these individuals. You can only look at who might contribute
more to the team effort, which is winning the WS. Thomas could not
have contributed to that goal any more than Olerud so I cannot say that
Olerud is less of a player.
-- | 0 |
300 |
I can understand your anger about the German audience. I mean, it was the
Finnish team they played and they were taking advantage of the ridiculous
penalties the Canadien ref called in the last period. The Germans got a
match penalty and a 10 minutes misconduct for practically nothing and
seconds after that the German goalie got two minutes for "delay of game"
for a shot that was deflected and went into the crowd. The resulting 5:3
skating advantage lead to the deciding goal at a point, when the Germans
were starting to come up strong.
I am also sick of the nationalism that is going on in German sports events.
If you watch for example a tennis Davis Cup match the players are often not
able to play for minutes, because the crowd is so obnoxious. But I have to
admit that this kind of nationalism is as strong or even stronger in most
other countries (you should go to the US and watch the way they present the
Olympics on television; or the soccer crowds in England; or the Finnish
spectators at nordic skiing events.....). I mean it makes me sick to see
all this nationalism all over the world and I would rather see the best
team/player win and get cheared at. I do not mind if my favorite team
looses to somebody that is better or plays more attractive and I have to
admit that in most sports the German national site is not my favorite team
to watch (the German soccer team is boring to watch, for example).
But, reading the above posting, I think that you are on the same level as
these crowds you are criticizing. It is easy to talk of (nearly all)
Germans as Nazis and nationalists; thats the kind of propaganda that all
ultraconservative people use against Germany. It is true that there is a
great danger of re-arising nationalism in Germany but from my experience
most of the people (at least of the people that i know) also regard this as
a big threat and are trying to demonstrate this attitude now. Why can't we
just look at people as human beeings and not try to put them into drawers
corresponding to their nationality (eg. all Russians are Communists; all
Americans are Capitalists; all Germans are Nazis, all Fins are hanging
around beeing drunk on ferries...).
In my opinion, your comment shows the narrowness of your mind and that you
don't seem to be different from the Nazis you are talking about.
Thomas
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2,166 |
Well I think whenever ESPN covers the game they do a wonderful job. But
what I don't understand is that they cut the OT just show some stupid
baseball news which is not important at all. Then I waited for the scores
to comeon Sportscenter, but they talk about Baseball, basketball and
football. Then they showed Penguine highlight and went back to stupid
basketball. Finally they showed a highlight of the OT goal but that
was like 30 sec. I think they should give more attention to NHl during
the playoffs then talking about boring basketball games..
I guess it is NHL's fault too for leaving ESPN. Hope things improve
by next season...
COBRA
--
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6,989 |
THe bowler is John Burkett, who went to 4-0 last night. He is
a bargain pickup on my roto team, I got him at a minimum of $5.
This is not really true. Excluding last season, the Giants
has been a better 2nd half team. In 1991, they had a hot August
to pull to within a few games of the Braves and Dodgers before
fading in September.
The Giants may go back to earth, but not as fast as last
season for two reasons:
(1) Barry Bonds
(2) Roger Craig is no longer the manager. Dusty can manage
his pitching staffs much better than Craig. | 0 |
237 |
Minor point: Shea Stadium was designed as a multi-purpose stadium but
not with the Jets in mind as the tennant. The New York Football Giants
had moved to Yankee Stadium (from the Polo Grounds) in 1958 and was
having problem with stadium management (the City did not own Yankee
Stadium until 1972). The idea was to get the Giants to move into Shea.
When a deal was worked out between the Giants and the Yankees the
new AFL franchise, the New York Titans, approached the City about using
the new stadium. The Titans were playing in Downing Stadium (where the
Cosmos played soccer in the 70s). Because Shea Stadium was tied into
the World's Fair anyway, the city thought it would be a novel idea to
promote the new franchise and the World's Fair (like they were doing
with the Mets). So the deal was worked out.
I'm under the impression that when Murph says it, he means it! As a
regular goer to Shea, it is not a bad place since they've cleaned and
renovated the place. Remember, this is its 30th Year! | 0 |
6,418 |
Wood is fairly small for an enforcer-type. I mean, Fleury does a pretty good
job and isn't that large, but Dody is no Fleury.
Having been witness to three or four of his fights closeup, he simply isn't
ready to fight at an NHL level (assuming that it's his role, which is ALL he
really showed us in his few games up from K.C. -- if he can pass, shoot or
skate, I never saw much of it). All he has is a right fist, which isn't bad,
but at the NHL level, the other players are smart enough to grab the thing
before he can land anything significant. Once you control that hand, he's a
fish flopping on the beach and the other player can do just about anything
he wants to him. His entire strategy seemed to be keep the hand out of reach
until he found an opening -- and I never once saw him find an opening worth
talking about. He got neutralized quickly, and stomped on a couple of times.
Unless he shows some new tricks in camp, he'll be on my "career minor
leaguer" list. Since this was his first taste of the NHL, I expect the
Sharks gave it to him so he'd KNOW what he'd have to work on off-season. He
needs to get stronger, he needs to get more speed and he needs to show some
versatility as something else than a simply goond, because he wasn't
particularly good as a goon.
| 0 |
854 |
The problem is that (by no fault of ESPN) ongoing games are not
covered 'til the final horn sounds. With two channels, SCNY and SCA,
late-finishing games (up to Pacific time) and overtimes elsewhere will
kick in at the end of local coverage. If SCNY is blocked by the Mets,
there is still some hockey on SCA (SCNY Plus).
With an ESPN 2, the current situation would be alleviated.
gld | 0 |
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(At Jingu, 38,000)
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Chunichi Dragons 7 3 0 .700 0.5
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Wiggins, Alan?
But that's besides the point. I'm sure people would feel slightly
sympathetic for Rickey if he were killed. But, they would also be
criticizing him a lot more for his actions.
Example?
How about Jose Canseco? He gets a couple of speeding tickets, and all
of the sudden his attitude is awful. What the hell do speeding tickets
have to do with clubhouse influence anyway? So why do sportswriters
talk about it all the time.
Or Brian Hunter and Keith Mitchell? Both of whom had DWI problems
towards the end of last year. (Two years ago?) It was cited as a sign
of their immaturity, etc.
Meanwhile, Dykstra almost killed both himself and Daulton, and I didn't
read any sportswriter complaining about that. They may have talked
about how bad it was for the Phillies, but I NEVER read anywhere
criticism of Dykstra's character (or Daulton's intelligence, for that
matter) based on this incident.
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to mail to the list: bosox@world.std.com | 0 |
5,464 |
That's the trouble: *what* peak years? He wavers between excellent and
very good, with no real bell-shaped pattern in there. 1979 was a fine
year; 78 and 80 were merely really good. With the Yankees, 84 (I think)
was the best; that was the one with the .340 BA.
Of course, 1992 wasn't bad, either. He's been in the bigs since 1973,
with a one-year intermission for surgery. Though he doesn't have the
mix of skills that Pete Rose did, he's like Pete Rose in one way: he's
not a natural hitter. Winfield's swing used to be the ugliest thing
in New York, and that includes the Gulf+Western Building. But his sheer
athletic prowess and physical size made up for a lot.
Fascinating player to watch, even now. Not obviously great in any one
way; but able to do quite a few things in surprising ways and at surprising
levels. | 0 |
5,405 |
ESPN had an advertise for Pens/Devils game 4. I don't know what the hell
they are trying to do, especially against NFL draft. Well I guess there goes
the NHL ratings for Sundays game. | 0 |
6,379 |
NESN owns the rights to Bruin telecasts. I suspect that NESN was only
going to sell one telecast to ESPN (remember, ESPN only owns exclusive
rights to the FINALS, not the entire playoffs). Since ESPN bought the
SCA contract, there are less wrangles to untie with showing the Devils
and Penguins.
I think the same broadcast rights factor comes into it. Plus they
have no way of fitting western game times into their current schedule
unless the NHL was willing to make a western club move up their game.
I think the NHL got as much as it could when it shuffled the deck for ABC.
Same exact coverage as last week: Pit-NJ game 4 in the east, Chi-StL
in the central, LA-Cgy in the mountains and west.
| 0 |
5,563 | It was a classy move. But it looks like ESPN is going to devote most of
the coverage to the Pens. On Tuesday night, they continued to broadcast
the Pen-Devil game even though Pittsburgh had the game well in control.
Granted they did show some "bonus" coverage of the Caps and Isles but
they cut away from the close game, which went into double ot, to update
us on the fifth goal of the rout.
Thursday was a good game even if it was the second straight game between
the pens and devils. IMHO they should program some variety into the
telecasts.(Yes I know the game shown on saturday is between the B's and
Sabres, probably throwing a bone to us Bruin fans.)
And what about the Cambell conference? I'd like to see a game in the
Norris or Smythe. Why not have back to back nights of National
Hockey Night?
Just a thought. | 0 |
1,833 |
Not to mention that Lankford had been hurt two nights before running
into the outfield wall. This being the reason he was available to pinch-
anything. His ribs were the problem so he could run but not hit.
Torre is no white rat but give him credit for what he is , a pretty darn
good manager. with the exception of the Felix fiasco, but i'm not sure
who's brainchild that was.
-BIL | 0 |
641 |
While I can see why they want to cut down on the time spent walking around,
Gant wasn't ordered back in the box "sooner", he was ordered back immediately.
As soon as he stepped out, Hirschbeck told him to get back in the box.
Now, Gant doesn't take a lot of walks between pitches. The only reason
he did then because he was *very* bothered by the call. I expect his
concentration wasn't there yet, and in a crucial situation I imagine it's
best to be as calm as possible. Contributing factors would be Gant's
bad day at the plate, bad year at the plate, and the Braves long scoring
drought.
Now, it's pretty stupid to go ahead and talk the walk when the umpire is
telling you to get in there. You know the umpire is going to do something
(call for a strike, throw you out, etc.). Gant was wrong.
But Hirschbeck was more wrong, in my biased view. Aside from the major chip
he seemed to have on his shoulder, what was the problem. Gant had a reason
to want some time (disputed strike call). Gant hadn't been wasting time all
game. The game had been cruising along, and was just over two hours old.
The score was 1-0, with 2 outs in the ninth and a runner in scoring position.
Is there *any* reason Hirschbeck couldn't, and shouldn't, cut Gant a little
slack? For no discernible constructive reason, Hirschbeck disrupted the
game, caused a five minute delay, and materially hurt the batter in a key
situation. Did he have a date to get to?
And I still wonder why Terry was tossed earlier in the game.
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The events I saw were:
1) Called strike by Hirschbeck
2) Shocked-looking Gant asks for appeal to first
3) No appeal to first
4) Gant steps out of batters box.
5) Hirschbeck *immediately* orders Gant back in. [bad move]
6) Gant ignores Hirschbeck and walks off. [bad move]
7) Hirschbeck yells at Gant. Gant is silent.
8) Hirschbeck calls for the pitch.
9) Pitch is called a strike.
10) Cox argues (couldn't see when he came on the field)
11) Cox is ejected, players everywhere
12) Play finally resumes.
Gant shouldn't have ignored Hirschbeck. Not returning made the strike
call fairly likely. Although I suspect an argument might have gotten
Gant tossed altogether. But if Hirschbeck had let Gant step out, the
whole incident probably would have been avoided.
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Dale J. Stephenson |*| (steph@cs.uiuc.edu) |*| Baseball fanatic | 0 |
7,214 | :
[ a whole lot of completely ignorant stuff about Pitt. ]
Give this guy a drug test, and some Ridalin whale you are at it. | 0 |
72 | The tv coverage of the playoffs is fucking ridicules. Overtime time games
that are not shown? What the hell kind of shit is this? If that would
have happened to the Flyers(if they were in the damn playoffs to begin
with) while I was watching, I would have gone throught the roof!
However, everybody is getting pissed off at ESPN, but they are not the
ones to blame. They have prior contracts that they just can't simply break
whenever they want to. The N.H.L. is to blame. When they signed the
deal with ESPN, they had to know of this. They had to know shit like this
would happen since they wouldn't have complete priority. The N.H.L.
should be feeling the heat that is being thrown at ESPN. How can the
N.H.L. do this to its fans? How dare they. We are the ones that make the
damn league exist and they can't even televise complete playoff games for us to
watch! They more I write about this, the more pissed off I get. We must
let the N.H.L. know that we expect a little better than this. If anybody
out there knows how to go about doing this, let me and everybody else know.
Well I had to get that off my chest and while I'm at it....
Mario is the Michael Jordan of hockey. All that fucker has to do is fall
on the ice and the closet guy to him gets at least 2. Last night in the
3rd game between NJ and Pitt, he was being pushed while skating across the
front of the goal while trying to get a shot off. The guy on him was
doing a good job, so he got off a weak shot, but then he decided to fall
to the ice. Then the fucking ref(Van Helloamend?) called the guy for
holding. They replayed the play, and my roomate(who is clueless about
hockey) wanted to know what the NJ guy did to get a call, because it was so fucking obvious the NJ player
had both hands on his stick, and no, he did not trip him. It is simple,
Mario gets touched, he falls to the ice, automatic 2. But the thing that
really pissed me off is, Pitt scored the 3rd or 4th goal, I don't remember,
on the resulting PP and
eventually won 4-3. His diving/calls makes a HUGE difference in the
outcome of a game.
They gotta stop the damn holding and interference that is so fucking
obvious. That is not hockey. It allows inferior players to bring down the
level of the better players, and allows inferior teams to beat better ones.
This has pissed me off for many years now, and it has improved somewhat.
However, during the playoffs and 3rd periods, the damn refs must misplace
their balls, because they sure don't make any calls that show that they got
any.
All agreeing or disagreeing replies are welcomed. | 0 |
6,904 |
No way -- gotta be Walter Johnson. All were with Washington.
Carlton spent too long in St. Louis to collect less than 700 there.
I'd also guess Hough due to his length of tenure though I suspect
Bobby Witt wasn't far behind. Maybe even Jenkins snuck in close....
Fingers had to have achieved 100 with either MIL or with SD so, yes,
I'd go with that guess. Otherwise I was thinking that Reardon has a better
chance of having 100 with MIN along with (I would think) easily reaching 100
with MON.
Gotta be Willie Mays...I am fairly sure he had over 300 steals in his
career.
Hmmm...Leary is a really good point. I'd forgotten about him. Well,
if nothing else, there are plenty of ex-Met pitchers in the category of
"could have lost to all teams" -- Koosman, Leary, Torrez, Ryan, Seaver....
I guess the best three guesses would be Leary, Ryan, and either Seaver or
Koosman.
| 0 |
5,413 |
So, that is the reason why the Toronto Blue Jays *should* keep Alfredo
Griffin, just because it "worked"?
A team winning doesn't mean that everything that it's doing is right.
A team not winning doesn't mean that everything that it's doing is wrong, or
otherwise (to borrow the Sharks' situation) you would say that George Kingston
should be fired.
By then, it's too late. The problem with "not fixing something while it's
working" is that by then, there may not be anything left to fix.
So, the Blue Jays were simply perfect last year; there was nothing that they
could have done to have improved that team. NOT. | 0 |
3,052 | Again I assume this is not just flame bait by Roger, but actually a
truly held opinion.
Thanks. For speaking for all those who didn't feel it was important
enough to say something themselves.
I wouldn't say that the letter clearly implies representation of the
views of a group that you belong to. It represents a subset (that you
don't belong to) of a larger group (which you do, if only because this
isn't a moderated group).
Look, there are several ways to state an opposing viewpoint. Three
that come to mind are as follows:
1) Say it subtly. Result: it may not be clear.
2) Say it directly yet politely. Result: probably it will spark some
interesting conversation.
3) Say it directly and obnoxiously. Result: validity goes right out
the window.
You realize that anything you say can, and most certainly will, be
used against you.
| 0 |
1,048 |
Well, here in Detroit we get to see and hear Don Cherry quite regularly.
The Detroit area picks up Hockey Night in Canada from CBC (ch 9) in
Windsor where we see Don Cherry's Coaches Corner between periods. We
also get to see Don Cherry's Grapevine just before the game. The
Grapevine is a hockey talk show where Don talks to a player or coach
about what else: Hockey. It's actually a pretty good show and Don
isn't as annoying as he is on Coaches Corner. I think this is were
Don got his nickname 'Grapes' but I'm not sure. Don use to coach the
Boston Bruins. I don't know exactly when that was. Could someone fill
me in on this info?
A local radio station here in Detroit (WLLZ) talks to Don every Tuesday
morning. Personally, I've had my fill of Donny! He really pisses me off
sometimes. During the Detroit-Toronto game Monday night on CBC, Don gave
high praise to Doug Gilmour, saying he was a two-way player and not
just a designated goal scorer and that he is probably the best player
in the game because of that. That's fine and I agree that Gilmour
is a good two-way player BUT he said the EXACT same thing about Yzerman
about a month ago on a local radio talk show. What gives?
It seems like he just has a set speech that he changes when he goes from
city to city.
Don Cherry: 'I think <insert star player name for city that he is in>
is the best two-way player in the league today.'
There have been other times (can't remember exactly what he said) that he
basically changed his opinions to match the audience he was talking to.
Someone here on the net said something about how Don criticized Mario
Lemieux but when the time comes for Don to broadcast the Cup playoffs
from the Civic Center (Yes, I think the Pens will make it out of the
Wales Conference) Don will apologize left and right for his remarks about
Lemieux. In my opinion, he is an ass. And I won't change my opinion
if I'm in a different city.
Sorry, if this didn't answer your question better but I just had to get
this off my chest. | 0 |
2,871 | Tuesday's game of Beloved Yakult Swallows
(At Jingu, 36,000)
Hanshin Tigers 001 000 100 |2
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W - Ito (1-0). L - Nakagomi (0-1). HR - Yakult, Arai 1st.
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Hiroshima Carp 7 1 0 .875 --
Chunichi Dragons 6 3 0 .667 1.5
Hanshin Tigers 5 4 0 .667 2.5
Hated Giants 4 4 0 .500 3.0
Beloved Swallows 3 6 0 .333 4.5
Yokohama BayStars 1 8 0 .111 6.5
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4,080 | cdash@moet.cs.colorado.edu (Charles Shub) writes...
What really irritated me was that they kept switching back and forth
between baseball and hockey after they stated that they couldn't show
the overtime period. I turned back to ESPN around 11 and it was hockey.
Great, I pulled up a chair and watched, then the first overtime period
ended and they went back to baseball before coming back to hockey
something like 30 minutes later. Are they trying to alienate both
hockey and baseball viewers at the same time. As for Martinsville,
I wonder why they even bothered to sign up for it when they it was
no secret that it coincided with the draft. Why not let TNN broadcast
it ?
George | 0 |
848 |
A HBP, but it reminds of my favorite (apochryphal ? sp ?) Don Drysdale story.
When ordered to intentionally walk a batter who had hot-dogged on him in
two previous at-bats, Drysdale reared back with the first pitch and
drilled him right in the ribs.
His manager came storming out of the dugout and yelled "What did you do that
for ?"
Drysdale growled back, "What are you complaining for ? I saved you three
pitches !"
Incidentally, if this is true, I'd love to know the other people involved.
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SUNY at Buffalo | cracks... and the wall, cracks... and the wall comes
Dept. of Economics | crumbling down." - Anthrax | 0 |
602 | Curtis Joseph and Ray LeBlanc have made some big moves in the
poll recently. Hextall has shown some strong movement as well. Kirk
McLean and Tom Barrasso (I can't see why) have been added to the list
recently. Keep sending in those votes.
Current votes for favorite goalie masks (3pts - 1st, 2pts - 2nd, 1pt - 3rd)
Player Team Pts Votes
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1. Ed Belfour Chicago 32 15
Curtis Joseph St. Louis 32 13
3. Andy Moog Boston 30 13
4. Brian Hayward San Jose 26 10
5. Ron Hextall Quebec 16 8
6. Grant Fuhr Buffalo 12 5
7. Gerry Cheevers Boston (retired) 11 6
8. John Vanbeisbrouck NY Rangers 10 4
9. Ray LeBlanc USA Olympic 7 3
10. Mike Richter NY Rangers 6 3
11. Manon Rheaume Atlanta (IHL) 5 2
12. Don Beaupre Washington 4 2
Ken Dryden Montreal (retired) 4 2
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Others receiving less than 4pts: Mike Vernon (Cal), Clint
Malarchuk (Buf/SD,IHL), Tommy Soderstrom (Phil), Tom Barrasso (Pit),
Artus Irbe (SJ), Tim Cheveldae (Det), Sean Burke (NJ),
Rick Wamsley (Tor,ret), Jon Casey (Minn), Bob Essensa (Win),
Glenn Healy (NYI), Tony Espo (Chi), Gilles Gratton (Bos),
Rod Stauber (LA), Gump Worsley (Mtl/NYR), Pat Jablonski (TB),
Grant Fuhr (Tor), Felix Potvin (Tor), Stephane Beauregard (Win),
Mark Fitzpatrick (NYI), Chico Resch (NYI), Kirk McLean (Van)
| 0 |
7,481 | NHL PLAYOFF RESULTS FOR 4/20/93.
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CONFERENCE SEMI-FINALS BEST OF SEVEN
PATRICK ADAMS NORRIS SMYTHE
NJ BUF (leads 2-0) STL (leads 1-0) WIN
PIT (leads 2-0) BOS CHI VAN (leads 1-0)
NYI (tied 1-1) MON TOR LA (leads 1-0)
WAS QUE (leads 2-0) DET (leads 1-0) CAL
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New Jersey Devils 0 0 0 - 0
Pittsburgh Penguins (leads series 2-0) 2 4 1 - 7
1st period: PIT, McEachern 1 - (Francis, Taglianetti) 15:09
PIT, M.Lemieux 3 - (U.Samuelsson, Barrasso) (sh) 17:41
2nd period: PIT, Tocchet 2 - (K.Stevens, U.Samuelsson) 3:48
PIT, Jagr 2 - (Francis, Ramsey) 12:39
PIT, K.Stevens 1 - (Francis, Murphy) (pp) 15:43
PIT, McEachern 2 - (Daniels, Mullen) 16:46
3rd period: PIT, Mullen 1 - (Francis, Barrasso) 17:42
Powerplay Opportunities-Devils 0 of 5
Penguins 1 of 4
Shots on Goal- Devils 12 11 13 - 36
Penguins 13 10 4 - 27
New Jersey Devils--Terreri (0-2) (23 shots - 17 saves) Billington (0:00 third)
(4 shots - 3 saves)
Pittsburgh Penguins--Barrasso (2-0) (36 shots - 36 saves)
ATT-16,164
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New York Islanders (series tied 1-1) 1 1 2 0 1 - 5
Washington Capitals 0 2 2 0 0 - 4
1st period: NYI, Turgeon 1 - (King, Thomas) 13:14
2nd period: WAS, Hunter 3 - (Johansson, Miller) 6:33
NYI, Turgeon 2 - (Thomas, Vaske) 12:36
WAS, Hunter 4 - (Johansson, Carpenter) (pp) 16:51
3rd period: NYI, Hogue 1 - 3:31
WAS, Khristich 2 - (Cavallini, Bondra) 7:16
NYI, Ferraro 2 - (Flatley, Hogue) 14:50
WAS, Hunter 5 - (Johansson, Khristich) (pp) 19:57
1 Overtime: NONE
2 Overtime: NYI, Mullen 1 - (Ferraro, Flatley) 14:15
Powerplay Opportunities-Islanders 0 of 5
Capitals 2 of 5
Shots on Goal- Islanders 14 17 8 13 9 - 61
Capitals 6 9 11 14 5 - 45
New York Islanders--Healy (1-1) (45 shots - 41 saves)
Washington Capitals--Tabaracci (1-1) (61 shots - 56 saves)
ATT-15,421
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Montreal Canadiens 0 0 1 - 1
Quebec Nordiques (leads series 2-0) 3 0 1 - 4
1st period: QUE, Leschyshyn 1 - (Kamensky, Sakic) (pp) 4:19
QUE, Young 2 - (Lapointe) 11:41
QUE, Young 3 - (Lapointe, Duchesne) 13:56
2nd period: NONE
3rd period: MON, Bellows 2 - (Odelein) 11:05
QUE, Lapointe 1 - (Ricci) (en) 19:23
Powerplay Opportunities-Canadiens 0 of 1
Nordiques 1 of 2
Shots on Goal- Canadiens 8 10 15 - 33
Nordiques 18 14 6 - 38
Montreal Canadiens--Roy (0-2) (37 shots - 34 saves)
Quebec Nordiques--Hextall (2-0) (33 shots - 32 saves)
ATT-15,399
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Buffalo Sabres (leads series 2-0) 2 1 1 - 4
Boston Bruins 0 0 0 - 0
1st period: BUF, Presley 1 - (sh) 4:27
BUF, Wood 1 - (Houlder, B.Sweeney) (pp) 8:07
2nd period: BUF, Mogilny 3 - (LaFontaine) 5:03
3rd period: BUF, Hawerchuk 1 - (Carney, Smehlik) (pp) 14:48
Powerplay Opportunities-Sabres 2 of 4
Bruins 0 of 5
Shots on Goal- Sabres 9 8 8 - 25
Bruins 14 12 8 - 34
Buffalo Sabres--Fuhr (2-0) (34 shots - 34 saves)
Boston Bruins--Moog (0-2) (10 shots - 7 saves) Blue (5:03 second) (15 shots -
14 saves)
ATT-14,448
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5,723 |
For those of you who read TV Guide, there's an article in next week's
SPORTSVIEW concerning the NHL and major network broadcasting. Pretty
interesting. | 0 |
862 |
If ESPN/ABC is going to stick with one-sided Pens-Devils series(and it
looks like they will continue with it on Thursday night), I'd rather
watch pretty women in the stands than non-action on the ice where a
slow,aging NJ team being taken out to lunch by a dynamic Pens squad. | 0 |
118 |
Right on. Ticket prices are set to maximize revenue. Period. For an excellent
discussion on how this works, see Gerald Scully's book of a couple of years
back, titled (I think) "The Business Of Baseball".
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3,384 |
That's a good way to put it. It's a quiet confidence. I don't feel like
I have to defend this team anymore.
The Devils are a puzzle to me. They have long been one of the few teams
I always dreaded playing. Their D isn't quite what it used to be but they
still usually play us pretty tough. I just can't figure it out. At least
last night they mounted an attack.
Bernie Nichols was interviewed after Game 2 on the late news. He was
shaking his head in disbelief over Barrasso, saying that Tommy is like
another defenseman out there and how difficult it is playing against him.
Then he got this far-away look on his face, his voice started trailing
off and he said, "It just isn't right...it just isn't fair..." and he
tried to muster a smile.
As far as coaching goes, a Pens/Islanders match-up should be pretty good.
One guy I feel sorry for in all of this so far is Chris Terreri. I'm sure
Tom Barrasso knows how he feels. For so long Tommy would look up and not
have a teammate in sight. Terreri's teammates really left him out in the
cold in the first two games. | 0 |
3,886 |
[stuff deleted]
I think this goes along with a comment you made in an earlier post -
namely, Quinn taking advantage of a major league bonehead for a GM
in St. Louis. This trade was an absolutely stupid trade for St. Louis,
and it was not the only stupid trade that this guy made. We can give
Quinn credit for being an opportunist here.
[stuff about other trades deleted]
How do you figure? Both Vancouver and Detroit did the same thing last year:
They both won their division, they had close to the same number of points,
they both went down 3-1 in the first round of the playoffs before finally
escaping in 7 games, and they both got knocked out in the second round by
teams they should have been able to beat, with less talent. (Specifically,
if I remember correctly, third place teams). How does this make Vancouver
more improved? Further, if I'm not mistaken, the Wings had more points than
Vancouver at the end of this season (albeit not many).
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From: coulman@cs.Usask.CA (Randy Coulman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Final Regular Season Individual Goalie Stats
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 93 12:27:59 EDT
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I would appreciate it if someone could volunteer to verify the shots on goal
and save percentage numbers for me, so I can put these stats on the archive
site. Contact me by mail if you want to volunteer.
Here are the individual goalie stats as of: Wed Apr 21 09:09:38 CST 1993
These stats include games up to and including the Sunday previous to the date
listed above. They have been verified against what is printed in my newspaper
every Tuesday. They don't print shots and save percentage numbers, so those
are not verified. These stats are available by mail every weekday and
sometimes on weekends, if I'm in town and I can get late game results. Just
send me a note if you would like to receive these stats by mail.
If you have any questions, comments or suggestions, let me know.
Randy
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MP = Minutes Played, GA = Goals against,
SO = Shutouts, GAA = Goals against average
W = Wins, L = Losses, T = Ties
SOG = Shots on Goal, SV = Save Percentage
MP GA SO GAA W L T SOG SV TM Player
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1 0 0 0.00 0 0 0 0 1.000 WAS Byron Dafoe
11 0 0 0.00 0 0 0 3 1.000 HAR Corrie D'Alessio
40 1 0 1.50 0 0 0 19 0.947 MTL Frederick Chabot
25 1 0 2.40 0 0 0 10 0.900 BOS Mike Bales
2781 116 2 2.50 25 15 7 1287 0.910 TOR Felix Potvin
4106 177 7 2.59 41 18 11 1879 0.906 CHI Ed Belfour
1322 64 1 2.90 9 8 4 596 0.893 BOS John Blue
996 49 2 2.95 6 7 1 414 0.882 CHI Jim Waite
3702 186 4 3.01 43 14 5 1889 0.902 PIT Tom Barrasso
3890 196 1 3.02 29 28 9 2194 0.911 STL Curtis Joseph
1817 94 1 3.10 18 8 4 858 0.890 VAN Kay Whitmore
1429 75 0 3.15 11 10 4 716 0.895 BUF Dominik Hasek
3194 168 3 3.16 37 14 3 1354 0.876 BOS Andy Moog
1311 70 1 3.20 14 4 1 629 0.889 CAL Jeff Reese
3595 192 2 3.20 31 25 5 1813 0.894 MTL Patrick Roy
168 9 0 3.21 1 1 1 87 0.897 HAR Mike Lenarduzzi
1193 64 0 3.22 13 4 2 522 0.877 DET Vincent Riendeau
1785 96 2 3.23 17 7 4 938 0.898 TOR Daren Puppa
3880 210 4 3.25 34 24 7 1898 0.889 DET Tim Cheveldae
3732 203 2 3.26 29 26 9 1805 0.888 CAL Mike Vernon
2655 146 1 3.30 22 20 2 1314 0.889 NYI Glenn Healy
3359 185 1 3.30 24 24 6 1726 0.893 BUF Grant Fuhr
2757 152 4 3.31 20 18 7 1519 0.900 NYR John Vanbiesbrouck
3282 181 1 3.31 27 23 5 1531 0.882 WAS Don Beaupre
3476 193 3 3.33 26 26 5 1683 0.885 MIN Jon Casey
3261 184 3 3.39 28 21 5 1620 0.886 VAN Kirk McLean
2672 151 2 3.39 19 21 3 1322 0.886 NJ Chris Terreri
1433 81 1 3.39 17 5 1 686 0.882 MTL Andre Racicot
1939 110 0 3.40 18 9 4 947 0.884 QUE Stephane Fiset
2512 143 5 3.42 20 17 6 1329 0.892 PHI Tommy Soderstrom
1368 78 0 3.42 13 7 2 691 0.887 PIT Ken Wregget
542 31 0 3.43 5 4 0 225 0.862 BOS Reggie Lemelin
2988 172 0 3.45 29 16 5 1525 0.887 QUE Ron Hextall
2253 130 0 3.46 17 15 5 1067 0.878 NYI Mark Fitzpatrick
3855 227 2 3.53 33 26 6 2119 0.893 WIN Bob Essensa
1601 96 0 3.60 15 10 2 777 0.876 WIN Jim Hrivnak
1596 97 1 3.65 10 12 5 803 0.879 MIN Darcy Wakaluk
1591 97 0 3.66 7 19 2 757 0.872 TB Wendell Young
1163 71 0 3.66 8 10 1 573 0.876 TB JC Bergeron
2389 146 2 3.67 21 16 4 1180 0.876 NJ Craig Billington
1210 74 1 3.67 8 8 2 628 0.882 STL Guy Hebert
1302 80 2 3.69 8 12 0 664 0.880 WAS Rick Tabaracci
664 41 0 3.70 5 6 0 344 0.881 BUF Tom Draper
224 14 0 3.75 1 2 1 116 0.879 NYR Corey Hirsch
1769 111 1 3.76 13 11 5 932 0.881 PHI Dominic Roussel
2105 134 1 3.82 13 19 3 1184 0.887 NYR Mike Richter
157 10 0 3.82 1 2 0 78 0.872 NYI Danny Lorenz
3753 240 1 3.84 17 38 6 2069 0.884 EDM Bill Ranford
1735 111 0 3.84 15 8 4 987 0.888 LA Robb Stauber
2718 175 2 3.86 18 21 6 1545 0.887 LA Kelly Hrudey
154 10 0 3.90 0 2 1 66 0.848 QUE Jacques Cloutier
867 57 0 3.94 5 9 1 499 0.886 HAR Mario Gosselin
532 35 0 3.95 6 4 0 294 0.881 LA Rick Knickle
2268 150 1 3.97 8 24 4 1197 0.875 TB Pat Jablonski
2074 142 1 4.11 7 26 0 1250 0.886 SJ Arturs Irbe
2656 184 0 4.16 16 27 3 1470 0.875 HAR Sean Burke
1338 93 0 4.17 9 12 2 763 0.878 EDM Ron Tugnutt
1326 95 0 4.30 2 17 1 743 0.872 OTT Daniel Berthiaume
802 59 0 4.41 3 9 0 405 0.854 PHI Stephane Beauregard
3388 250 0 4.43 8 46 3 1711 0.854 OTT Peter Sidorkiewicz
65 5 0 4.62 0 0 1 39 0.872 CAL Andrei Trefilov
1373 111 0 4.85 4 15 1 784 0.858 HAR Frank Pietrangelo
73 6 0 4.93 0 0 1 34 0.824 WIN Mike O'Neill
60 5 0 5.00 0 1 0 46 0.891 SJ Wade Flaherty
2000 176 0 5.28 2 30 1 1220 0.856 SJ Jeff Hackett
930 86 0 5.55 2 14 1 559 0.846 SJ Brian Hayward
160 15 0 5.63 0 3 0 91 0.835 TOR Rick Wamsley
20 2 0 6.00 0 0 0 7 0.714 WAS Olaf Kolzig
90 10 0 6.67 0 2 0 44 0.773 OTT Darrin Madeley
249 30 0 7.23 0 5 0 146 0.795 OTT Steve Weeks
98 13 0 7.96 0 2 0 51 0.745 LA David Goverde
45 7 0 9.33 0 1 0 21 0.667 TB David Littman
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Research Assistant | Department of Computational Science
| University of Saskatchewan
coulman@cs.Usask.ca | Saskatoon, SK S7N 0W0
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1,228 | The *real* way to speed up ballgames is for each home park owner to offer the
following schedule of bonuses to players on *both* teams:
For all players who participated in the game, offer $500 for each 10
minutes less than 3 hours the game took (i.e. if the game only took 2.5
hours, each player gets a bonus of $1500).
For all pitchers throwing 3 or more full innings in the game, extrapolate
the number of pitches or attempted pickoffs to the number they would have
thrown in a full 9 innings, and offer $500 for each number less than 120.
(If the pitcher throws a complete game with 100 pitches and 5 throws to
first he would get $7500).
I suspect you could finance this the same way Presidential campaigns are
paid for. Offer each fan a checkoff on his or her ticket that says "I want
5% of the price of this ticket to go towards fast game bonuses"... | 0 |
1,000 |
Well, they just said that Franco will probably go on the DL tomorrow.
(They mentioned a career minor leaguer as the "warm body" who would go
along...I forget.)
Also, when answering questions about the rotation, Coleman (SD
broadcaster) said that Hurst is gone in about a month-month and a half,
which is when he should finish re-hab.
Later
Dennis | 0 |
2,966 | ESPN is pathetic, I have been watching everybody complain about ESPN's coverage
and I agree with all of you. Might I suggest that we are getting all worked up
over nothing. We ALL knew that ESPN's coverage was going to suck. I mean have
you ever watched during the regular season Sportscenter coverage of hockey? It
sucks, I mean really sucks!!! ESPN does not know hockey if it shot them in the
ass. I was really pissed of about last night, coverage. I go to school in Ohio
I *know* the Indians suck, so why show them? If I were Bill Clement I would
shoot myself.
Anyway after I calmed down after I realized that they were not going to show
overtime of the Caps Isles game I thought to myself I knew that this was going
to happen, in fact I remerbed myself praying that at least they would keep even
the boring Devils game.
Overall I think ESPN does not care if they show hockey or not and I firmly
belive that they have know respect for the fans. ie *because of contract
obligations*, screw you ESPN.
Praise be to all hockey fans who put up with this shit!
GO HAWKS!!! | 0 |
2,549 | Two years ago Mark Messier appeared on David Letterman the summer he signed wit
h the Rangers. I remember he and Mike Gartner taking slapshots at the camera,
one finally was a bullseye and the screen went blank. It was funny if you saw
it, I guess.
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529 |
ESPN has been trying various things to get away from the
follow-the-puck concept of televising hockey games. One of the main
problems with hockey is that it is very difficult to show everything
that is going on -- more happens away from the puck than in any other
sport except maybe football and they can do iso's on football players
to be shown between plays.
The problem of course is that sometimes you get something worthwhile,
other times you get burned. | 0 |
2,095 |
What about black hispanics?
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Man, you had better do some SERIOUS reading. I really, really doubt that you
meant to say this.
Mike | 0 |
1,014 |
When I say "black," I mean US-born black people for the purposes of this
discussion. Hispanic players were in baseball before 1947, and one
team in the 50's signed lots of hispanics because they went over better
with the local audience than blacks did.
Don't know. But remember: this is the country that had special racial
laws for one group and one group only: blacks. Our national history
includes huge, long-term, global tensions regarding the black minority;
the hispanic minority, while often discriminated against, has never been
the object of national obsession.
Absolutely. As I said before, I expect that this effect is disappearing.
But it certainly did exist, and all out talk of TWG's and all that is
not without some small reason.
Well, there's the list. Go for it! I'll cull some more names as I go.
I expect you're right, btw. | 0 |
6,409 |
I believe Acker got a ring from his wife when they were married
I don't know why you guys keep bickering about Morris. The stats show he
is a mediocre pitcher at best (this year is another case), he just happened
to win 21 games. I saw many of his games last year, he did pitch some good
games. But this crap about being a clutch pitcher is nonsense, he was
constantly giving up go ahead runs in the 6-8th innings (the clutch innings)
and the Jays would somehow scrape a win for him. Another major factor in
his 21 wins, is that Cito 'I dont realize i have a bullpen' Gaston would
leave Morris in for ever, therefore giving him many more chances to win
games (i believe this is the major reason he won 21 games last year).
Barry Walker
BNR
Ottawa
Canada | 0 |
3,885 | Your list of Jewish ballplayers includes Levi Samuel Meyerle (son of
Jacob and Margaret Meyerle). Although that sounds like a Jewish name,
Meyerle's "surviving relatives" say he wasn't Jewish, according to
"Nineteenth Century Stars," published by SABR in 1989. Incidentally,
"Long Levi" (he was 6-foot-1) batted .492 in the first season of the
National Association, the first pro league. Needless to say, he hasn't
been topped yet. (Of course, the NA is not considered a "major" league
by officialdom.) Over five seasons, Meyerle hit .368 in the NA. He also
played for the first three seasons of the NL, hitting .329.
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1,305 | Does anyone have any information about the world hockey championships and
specifically about the US team? Game summaries and/or stats would be
greatly appreciated!! USA Today reported that the US beat the Czech
Republic, but that was the limit of the story. | 0 |
756 |
WHY!!! DC/Baltimore is one of the top media markets (=the only thing the NHL
seems to care about these days), they've been doing far better than the NBA
Bullets at the gate for the last five years. The team has been a perennial
contender and fan support has been good to excellent . . . Why should Pollin
move to city that's five times smaller but has as many teams in other pro
sports. I don't get it...
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6,081 |
But it is subject to all kinds of bias, and is almost completely useless
for first basemen. From the raw stats, there is no way to tell which of
a first baseman's putouts were made on throws from other fielders, and
which were made on his own plays; likewise, you can't tell whether a
double play was 6-4-3 or 3-6-3. Fielding Runs thus gives a first
baseman no credit for putouts or double plays, only for assists and
errors.
It thus favors first basemen who play deep, reaching a lot of balls but
forcing the pitcher to cover first more frequently. It also hurts first
baseman who play behind left-handed pitching staffs and thus face few
left-handed batters.
This is better; of course, it still isn't all of a first baseman's
defense.
Defensive Average, which uses larger (and probably better) zones, has
Mattingly tied for second in the league.
While 233 batting runs is good, it is mostly in the past; the runs he
produced in 1986 don't say much about his value in 1993.
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1,859 |
Gant's ML record Age 28 this season.
Year G AB BA OBP SLG HR SB CS
1987 21 83 .265 .271 .386 2 4 2
1988 146 563 .259 .317 .439 19 19 10 <-- 3rd Base Expt. year
1989 75 260 .177 .237 .335 9 9 6
1990 152 575 .303 .357 .539 32 33 16
1991 154 561 .251 .338 .496 32 34 15
1992 153 544 .259 .321 .415 17 32 10
In the majors for parts of 6 seasons, total playing time
approx 4.5 seasons.
Just looking at his hitting record, he's had 2 seasons of OPS
greater than .800, which is pretty good for an OF. His
1988 season is pretty decent for a rookie 2B. The move to
third base explains a lot of his 1989. When he returned as an OF,
he began hitting again. And of course, last year he slumped.
But no learning curve? He has obviously improved his batting eye
over the years, as well as his SB/CS ratio. As to his fielding,
he was an infielder when he was drafted, a 2Bman as he came
up through the Braves system, and then the Braves put him through
2 position changes in the space of a year. He's an adequate OF,
although not great, and at least some of your perception of his
fielding is colored by watching him learn to play the OF at the
ML level. (I know you're another long-term Braves fan :)
About playing 3B...IMO, that's the 2nd most DIFFICULT position
to field, after catcher. At SS or 2B, you need more range and
speed, but at 3B, you've got to have quick reflexes and have
a GUN for an arm. There are NO second chances at 3B, even when
playing sandlot softball! Granted, I'd still put my best
overall infielder at SS, but that's because he gets more
chances, not because the job is harder. It still amazes me
that so many teams have tried to convert other position players
to 3B. But maybe that's because the supply of "natural" 3B is
scarce.
Finally, Gant is a player who puts pressure on himself to
perform well, and works hard to improve. You don't get
those amazingly huge arms on that relatively small body without a
lot of weight work. Now, whether he's been overdoing it these
days may be a valid question, as is the question of whether
he tries too hard to make something happen during each at-bat.
But frankly, if a player is going to not live up to potential,
I'd much rather they fail by trying too hard, than by not
trying hard enough. You might be able to teach relaxation
to an adult; but at that age I don't believe you can teach
hustle.
All that said, I don't think I'd sign Gant to another long-term
contract. He's 28 now, and I think he's free-agent eligible
in 2 years, when he'll be 30. Given his career curve and
limitations, I wouldn't expect him to last much past 35
as a ML ballplayer. He might surprise me here, but Atlanta's
got some talent on the farm, and I'd rather take my chances
down the road with Nieves et al. | 0 |
2,199 |
Do you remember Game 7 of the 1988 NLCS, after the Dodgers defeated
the Mets, and Ugh-a-dugh foo-boo fat stomach Tom Lasorda came running out
on to the field in celebration? YUCK!!!!!!
He undulated. His arms flew up and down, keeping time with his
rolling set of 9 stomachs, which flew all around the cozy confines of
Chavez Ravine. He oozed, like a white gastropod. He ran. It was a
disgusting sight. Not only couldn't I watch my Mets in the Series, I had
to watch Fat Stomach Lasorda roll around Dodger....
BLARGH!
"If you like short, fat men, who grunt, curse, and spit a lot,
Whitey's certainly your man" - Former WFAN host Pete Franklin, on The White
Rat ...
But it's true, this emphasis on the appearance of ballplayers in
tight uniforms only works if the player actually has an extraodinary
physique. Looking at Charlie Hough's scrawny torso through those tight
white shirts just sort of makes me decide, "Hmmm, I don't want to eat lunch
today...or tomorrow...or anytime soon...".
When Al Harazin first became Mets' GM, he was asked if he intended
to help redesign the Mets' uniforms and change their image. In particular,
they asked him about the orange and blue racing stripe that runs down the
sides the uniforms. He said that he's very much in favor of keeping them
because "they're sleek and they're sexy".
Sid Fernandez, in a tight-fitting uniform, with a sleek racing
stripe to denote speed and potencty. Mmmmmmmm...lard.
Kevin McReynolds, diving after a fly ball. Mmmmmmmm...Man O' War, baby!
Pat Howell....well, never mind. Nothing could be tight on him.
They don't make uniform sizes *that* small ... :-)
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1,542 |
Heh, someone mentioned Tommy Soderstrom (Flyers) for the besk mask poll
too (in the mentioned below part). All he has is a plain white helmet
with a big cage.
I found this pretty amusing.
-John Santore
Philadelphia Flyers in '93-'94!
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/ \ "We break the surface tension
\_________ ____ \ with our wild kinetic dreams"
/ / \ \ -Rush, Grand Designs
\_______ / (*) ) )
/ / /\___/ / Go Philadelphia Flyers!
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/ / \_______/ John Santore (jsbh@andrew.cmu.edu)
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2,616 | ...
...
We must have been watching two different games. The Devil had one hand on
Mario's elbow and pulling the elbow caused Mario to fall so the call was
appropriate.
Using clueless people to substantiate your claims doesn't give me a lot of
confidence in your call either. Next time consider getting a second opinion
from a clueful observer. Or maybe all those available disagreed.
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1,093 |
Bowman is in the Hockey Hall of Fame as a coach already...and unlike
Gil Stein...he didn't get their by stacking the Board of Directors! -)
Bowman is the genius...Johnson isn't. Bowman is a great coach...Johnson,
a very good one. However, Bowman is really not a modern coach, and
Patrick's solution of having him only run the team on game days, and
delegate most of the day-to-day responsibity to the assistants is
a shrewd managerial decision on Patrick's part. | 0 |
2,523 | 325/441/577.
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4,164 |
You must be kidding, right? In losing Stevens the Blues got Shanahan and
kept
Joseph. Then they traded Oates for Janney. As a Hawks fan you have got to
respect those "hapless" names. 8^) Lets see, who scored the game winning
overtime goal in the 4th game???
| 0 |
7,436 | Oakland, California, Sunday, April 25th, 1:05 PM PDT:
Jose Mesa vs. Storm Davis.
You have been warned.
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3,730 | Stanley Cup Playoff stats through games played Sunday, April 25 1993
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Top 20 Point Scorers
Rnk Pts G A PG SG GW EN PIM Cty Tm Ps # Player
--- --- -- --- -- -- -- -- --- --- --- -- -- ------
1 9 0 9 0 0 0 0 4 CAN BOS C 12 Adam Oates
2 8 5 3 4 0 2 0 0 USA STL RW 16 Brett Hull
3 7 6 1 2 0 0 0 6 RUS BUF RW 89 Alexander Mogilny
3 7 4 3 1 1 0 0 4 CAN PIT C 66 Mario Lemieux
3 7 3 4 2 1 0 0 19 CAN CAL RW 14 Theoren Fleury
3 7 2 5 1 0 0 0 12 CAN TOR C 93 Doug Gilmour
3 7 1 6 0 0 0 0 0 CAN DET D 77 Paul Coffey
3 7 1 6 0 0 0 0 0 USA BUF C 16 Pat LaFontaine
9 6 4 2 0 0 2 0 4 CAN NYI C 20 Ray Ferraro
9 6 3 3 0 0 1 0 2 RUS VAN RW 10 Pavel Bure
9 6 3 3 1 0 1 0 0 RUS BUF LW 13 Yuri Khmylev
9 6 3 3 1 0 1 0 6 CAN VAN RW 16 Trevor Linden
9 6 2 4 1 0 0 0 2 CAN BUF C 10 Dale Hawerchuk
9 6 2 4 1 0 2 0 0 USA STL C 15 Craig Janney
9 6 2 4 2 0 0 0 6 CAN BOS C 49 *Joe Juneau
9 6 2 4 0 0 0 1 6 CAN CAL C 25 Joe Nieuwendyk
9 6 1 5 0 0 0 0 4 CAN STL D 21 Jeff Brown
9 6 1 5 0 0 1 0 4 CAN PIT C 10 Ron Francis
Top 10 Goal Scorers
Rnk Pts G A PG SG GW EN PIM Cty Tm Ps # Player
--- --- -- --- -- -- -- -- --- --- --- -- -- ------
1 7 6 1 2 0 0 0 6 RUS BUF RW 89 Alexander Mogilny
2 8 5 3 4 0 2 0 0 USA STL RW 16 Brett Hull
2 5 5 0 3 0 1 0 14 CAN WAS C 32 Dale Hunter
4 7 4 3 1 1 0 0 4 CAN PIT C 66 Mario Lemieux
4 6 4 2 0 0 2 0 4 CAN NYI C 20 Ray Ferraro
4 5 4 1 0 0 1 0 6 CAN TOR LW 14 Dave Andreychuk
4 5 4 1 1 0 0 0 4 CAN BOS RW 8 Cam Neely
4 4 4 0 2 0 0 0 2 USA LA C 12 Jimmy Carson
4 4 4 0 0 0 2 0 0 USA QUE RW 48 Scott Young
Top 10 Assist Scorers
Rnk Pts G A PG SG GW EN PIM Cty Tm Ps # Player
--- --- -- --- -- -- -- -- --- --- --- -- -- ------
1 9 0 9 0 0 0 0 4 CAN BOS C 12 Adam Oates
2 7 1 6 0 0 0 0 0 CAN DET D 77 Paul Coffey
2 7 1 6 0 0 0 0 0 USA BUF C 16 Pat LaFontaine
4 7 2 5 1 0 0 0 12 CAN TOR C 93 Doug Gilmour
4 6 1 5 0 0 0 0 4 CAN STL D 21 Jeff Brown
4 6 1 5 0 0 1 0 4 CAN PIT C 10 Ron Francis
4 5 0 5 0 0 0 0 0 USA WIN D 6 Phil Housley
4 5 0 5 0 0 0 0 4 SWE WAS D 6 Calle Johansson
4 5 0 5 0 0 0 0 8 CAN CAL D 2 Al MacInnis
Top 10 Power-play Goal Scorers
Rnk Pts G A PG SG GW EN PIM Cty Tm Ps # Player
--- --- -- --- -- -- -- -- --- --- --- -- -- ------
1 8 5 3 4 0 2 0 0 USA STL RW 16 Brett Hull
2 5 5 0 3 0 1 0 14 CAN WAS C 32 Dale Hunter
3 7 3 4 2 1 0 0 19 CAN CAL RW 14 Theoren Fleury
3 7 6 1 2 0 0 0 6 RUS BUF RW 89 Alexander Mogilny
3 6 2 4 2 0 0 0 6 CAN BOS C 49 *Joe Juneau
3 5 2 3 2 0 0 0 6 CAN STL LW 19 Brendan Shanahan
3 4 4 0 2 0 0 0 2 USA LA C 12 Jimmy Carson
3 4 2 2 2 0 0 0 2 TCH CAL C 26 Robert Reichel
3 4 3 1 2 0 1 0 2 FIN WIN RW 13 *Teemu Selanne
3 3 2 1 2 0 1 0 6 CAN MON LW 25 Vincent Damphousse
All the Short-handed Goal Scorers
Rnk Pts G A PG SG GW EN PIM Cty Tm Ps # Player
--- --- -- --- -- -- -- -- --- --- --- -- -- ------
1 7 3 4 2 1 0 0 19 CAN CAL RW 14 Theoren Fleury
1 7 4 3 1 1 0 0 4 CAN PIT C 66 Mario Lemieux
1 4 3 1 0 1 1 0 4 USA CAL C 29 Joel Otto
1 4 2 2 0 1 0 0 6 USA CAL D 20 Gary Suter
1 3 2 1 1 1 0 0 23 RUS DET C 91 Sergei Fedorov
1 2 1 1 0 1 0 0 10 CAN BOS C 19 Dave Poulin
1 1 1 0 0 1 0 0 4 CAN WIN C 38 Luciano Borsato
1 1 1 0 0 1 0 0 2 CAN DET LW 11 Shawn Burr
1 1 1 0 0 1 0 0 2 CAN STL LW 10 Dave Lowry
1 1 1 0 0 1 1 0 0 USA BUF RW 18 Wayne Presley
Top 10 Game-winning Goal Scorers
Rnk Pts G A PG SG GW EN PIM Cty Tm Ps # Player
--- --- -- --- -- -- -- -- --- --- --- -- -- ------
1 8 5 3 4 0 2 0 0 USA STL RW 16 Brett Hull
1 6 4 2 0 0 2 0 4 CAN NYI C 20 Ray Ferraro
1 6 2 4 1 0 2 0 0 USA STL C 15 Craig Janney
1 4 4 0 0 0 2 0 0 USA QUE RW 48 Scott Young
5 6 3 3 0 0 1 0 2 RUS VAN RW 10 Pavel Bure
5 6 1 5 0 0 1 0 4 CAN PIT C 10 Ron Francis
5 6 3 3 1 0 1 0 0 RUS BUF LW 13 Yuri Khmylev
5 6 3 3 1 0 1 0 6 CAN VAN RW 16 Trevor Linden
5 5 4 1 0 0 1 0 6 CAN TOR LW 14 Dave Andreychuk
5 5 5 0 3 0 1 0 14 CAN WAS C 32 Dale Hunter
Top 5 Point Scoring Defensemen
Rnk Pts G A PG SG GW EN PIM Cty Tm Ps # Player
--- --- -- --- -- -- -- -- --- --- --- -- -- ------
3 7 1 6 0 0 0 0 0 CAN DET D 77 Paul Coffey
9 6 1 5 0 0 0 0 4 CAN STL D 21 Jeff Brown
19 5 0 5 0 0 0 0 0 USA WIN D 6 Phil Housley
19 5 0 5 0 0 0 0 4 SWE WAS D 6 Calle Johansson
19 5 0 5 0 0 0 0 8 CAN CAL D 2 Al MacInnis
Top 4 Rookie Point Scorers
Rnk Pts G A PG SG GW EN PIM Cty Tm Ps # Player
--- --- -- --- -- -- -- -- --- --- --- -- -- ------
9 6 2 4 2 0 0 0 6 CAN BOS C 49 *Joe Juneau
33 4 3 1 0 0 1 0 8 USA PIT C 15 *Shawn McEachern
33 4 3 1 2 0 1 0 2 FIN WIN RW 13 *Teemu Selanne
33 4 0 4 0 0 0 0 2 TCH BUF D 42 *Richard Smehlik
Top 5 Penalty Minute Leaders
Rnk Pts G A PG SG GW EN PIM Cty Tm Ps # Player
--- --- -- --- -- -- -- -- --- --- --- -- -- ------
1 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 26 CAN DET LW 55 Keith Primeau
2 3 2 1 1 1 0 0 23 RUS DET C 91 Sergei Fedorov
3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 22 CAN NYI D 47 Richard Pilon
4 2 1 1 0 0 0 0 21 CAN TOR RW 12 Rob Pearson
4 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 21 CAN WIN RW 20 Tie Domi | 0 |
805 |
Don't let this confuse anybody. The Winnipeg Jets have never won the
Stanley Cup (or even come that close). These Stanley Cup championships
go back a LONG way to about the turn of the century. The Winnipeg
Victorias won one or more of these Cups- the Jets didn't win any of
them.
Can you think of anything more irrelevant to argue about a playoff
series going on today than who won more Stanley Cups around the turn
of the century??
Lets face facts. The Canucks are leading the series 3-1. The Canucks
dominated the Jets in their season series. The Canucks did better in
the regular season than Winnipeg. Who is the better team? I think
that the facts show that Vancouver is better than Winnipeg. | 0 |
5,176 | Okay... here's some gripe"ing" (?griping?... whatever).
(I live in Santa Barbara... for reference... I think)
Okay, ABC showed the Kings/Flames... fine... YAWN.
ESPN (through a fortunate rainout of a baseball game) showed the
Red Wings/Toronto game... cool.
But I SWEAR that the advertisements all week long had said that
ESPN would show Pitt/NJ on Tuesday and Bos/Buff on Thursday.
I raced home from work early (4:30 Pacific) to catch the game, but
ALAS, it was the Boston/Buffalo game and then they promised that they would
show the Pitt/NJ game on Thursday. OVERNIGHT they changed their mind.
I didn't mind THAT MUCH. I watched the game (hockey is MUCH better
than NO hockey). During the game their were no video highlights from the
Patrick division. What the hell was going on? At least they should show
video highlights of the other games (especially the NYI/Caps game that was
so close). My father (lives in Bowling Green, Kentucky [Bumbf*ck, Egypt])
got to watch the Pens game on ESPN. I just don't get it.
The biggest problem is that Buffalo or Boston fans who didn't want
to see the Pittsburgh/New Jersey game 2, will turn on their TVs on Thursday
and see the Pittsburgh/New Jersey game 3 instead of the Buffalo/Boston game
3. At least, in my case, I just had to wait 2 more days to see my game.
If I were a big Boston or Buffalo fan and I missed the game on
Tuesday due to false advertising on the part of ESPN, I'd be mad as
hell.
Oh well... hopefully we'll get better coverage next year OR
SOMETHING.
Matt Coohill | 0 |
6,296 |
IMHO this is the most untrustworthy, silly stat, by today's rules, in all
of baseball. My understanding is to qualify as a save a pitcher cannot
pitch more than three innings and the potential tying run must at least
appear in the on-deck circle. Also, the lead a pitcher enters with cannot
excede three runs.
I believe that the official scorers must assert more of their authority in
determining winners/savers/etc. For instance, a pitcher can come in in the
ninth with a lead, blow the lead, fall behind, have his team come back in
the next half inning and earn the win. Has this pitcher earned a win, no
way.
I guy could pitch five strong innings of middle relief and see his
teammates rally to tie the score. Assume he came in to start the fourth
and left after the eighth. His teammate holds the opposition scoreless in
the ninth and they score a run in the bottom of the ninth to win. The
third pitcher earns the win and the middle reliever gets no "stat"
satisfaction.
Mike | 0 |
859 | Speaking of Roger and ilk, whatever happened to good ol' gln? I had him in
my kill file since last year's playoffs and now that I've moved to a new
news reader which doesn't have kill files, I find that he's gone. I must
admit, however, that unlike gln, Roger seems to know something about the game
as long as the subject doesn't touch on the Leafs. | 0 |
3,522 |
Wood played most of his junior career in Seattle. He was one
of the leading scorers on a mediocre team when he was traded away in
1992. He rarely lost a fight and was one of the toughest players in
the WHL.
However, I was extremely surprised when he was drafted, especially in
the third round. He certainly didn't look like NHL material... | 0 |
7,254 | My schedule is flexible so any games are candidates
AC>(though I'd prefer to see Texas.)
Hi Tony.I think that I might be able to help you out!The Rangers are
here in Toronto Thursday July 8th through Sunday July 11th and
tickets should not be hard to find if you order them far enough in
advance.Although I don't have a ticket broker's telephone number off
hand if you give me a couple of days I will be able to get a hold a=
of a couple.The Blue Jays ticket info # is (416)341-1111 or if you
want to order by credit card,call (416) 341-1234.If you let me
know,when you want the tickets I can save you a possible long
distance call.If all else fails I might be able to pull a few strings
and get you a pair.Let me know whats happening.
Drew Carley,Toronto Canada
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þ DeLuxeý 1.25 #2177 þ Go away,or I shall taunt you a second time! | 0 |
1,700 |
DJ was a popular player in San Diego, Derek Bell was not faring well in the
clubhouse at Toronto, so no matter how bad he looks now I still think it
was a steal for the Jays just from the perspective of team chemistry.
No statistic can describe it (sorry statheads) and since there are so many
new faces in the clubhouse I think the Jays are still trying to find it.
(Insert the same comment into the Jack Morris v. Clemens WS Ring string)
Yet at first I was sad to see Derek go, still anticipating all of the talent
they raved about at the beginning of last season. I'm glad to see him
faring well for the Padres though.
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4,615 |
> Bruins have never come back to win after falling behind 2-0 in
> their entire 68-year history.
Which doesn't mean much since the statistics are mostly based on
the 5-game playoff format. But, yes, it looks dark for the B's. What a
disappointment.
Still, I think the problem is mental. They needed the saves Blue
came up with, perhaps he can offer something to mentally rally around.
Who do you think gets the start in game three? I hope it is going
to be Blue. If the team can rally around him, maybe Moog can too.
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I believe that Phil Esposito was the first to wear #77 when he played
with the Rangers in the '70s. This was the season that they put the
Rangers crest and "modern-style" numbers on the jerseys instead of the
"NEW YORK" or "RANGERS" block letters and two-colour numbers. He took #77
because the Rangers already had a #7.
(Hockey Night in Canada made a big thing out of it, saying it was the
biggest uniform style change in a long time. This was before Pittsburgh
and Vancouver changed their colours.)
dwarf | 0 |
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6,891 | I know, you all were saying "Ha! The Braves score a few runs for
Maddux, that'll shut that guy up."
But no, I think we'll just keep track a bit longer...
Last outing: 5 runs.
Total to date: 8 runs, 4 games
Braves record in Maddux's starts: 2-2
See ya next time.
Dennis | 0 |
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Awesome home record or not, you need to remember the 7th game last year at the
Aud. I'd like to see some playoff games since I'm stuck in Buffalo at UB, but
I think Boston isn't giving up so easy. | 0 |
5,778 | Can someone in this net post a Yankee Schedule?
I need this right away. | 0 |
1,609 |
Good question. It's my impression, not backed by evidence, that general
south-of-the-borderness seems to exempt one from the hiring-firing effect
I was talking about.
Back in the 20's there were some attempts to hire black Cuban ballplayers;
they were rejected by the commissioner and others.
Well, what *did* I mean to say? Aside from some short-lived exceptions
such as Japanese internment in WW II, only blacks were affected by laws
regarding: slavery, Jim Crow, miscegenation, military service, etc. If
my claim of exclusivity is not 100% airtight, that is, if you can come
up with this or that exception, fine -- have a cookie. But compared to
this list, no other racial group put up with a legal onslaught worth
discussing at length. | 0 |
4,352 |
Well, no. Although I admit that's more exciting than a rat killer.
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Dale J. Stephenson |*| (steph@cs.uiuc.edu) |*| Baseball fanatic | 0 |
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