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Thanks for this welcome change. I'm curious to see how this works out. The group of folks that have trouble keeping their comments to a civil tone is small, and it might take some time to 'weed' them out.
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http://www.oregonlive.com/music/index.ssf/2016/03/bruce_springsteen_in_portland_the_river_review.html#incart_river_index that's the appeal, asshole.
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Looking forward to the change!
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The first comment I posted appeared twice, so I deleted one, and now both are gone.
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Looking forward to the change!
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The Seattle tree-huggers have got themselves a new cause to ensure nothing like this happens again to their sacred icons. The huggers will insist the city create new laws to protect the trees from botanical assault in order to discourage and punish those who intentionally break branches or otherwise cause botanical di...
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Free expression was too real. They need tricks to control the comments.
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Good move!
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will give it a try.
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There is, of course, the Officer Eugene Tackleberry method of removal of critters from a tree. "Police Academy" 1984
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It appears that there will be more anonymity. I suppose there are pros and cons to that. It will be interesting to see how this works out, but will look forward to better civility.
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Thank you! Using Facebook, I kept losing my comments, was unable to comment, or the page would refresh while I was commenting and anything I had already written would disappear. I'm sure this was particially due to using an iPad (which doesn't like to do two things at once). Anywho, I look forward to more commentary fr...
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I'm sure everything will be just wonderful!
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I humbly remind you that W was elected to a second term despite the obvious massive failures of his first term. I won't bother to ignite a firestorm regarding a certain B-list actor….
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Thanks, DeeBeeKay! I'll admit I'm biased in favor of comments (I'm a co-founder of Civil Co., makers of this new platform), but there can be *amazing* discussions in comment threads, more insight into the story, and sometimes even new leads on related stories. It's important for news sites to have open public dialogue ...
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Control of opinion is good ~ Stalin
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"Creeps" is mild. With all expletives deleted I refer to them as:
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Oh come on! The comments are the most entertaining part!
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Comments can still be entertaining without people calling each other names or threatening to kill one another.
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Have the offending organ removed? Are you serious? That would be a lobotomy. These pervs are driven by brains. Sick ones.
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Wow ADN. This process ought to filter out bloggers that name call. Thank you!
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Joe Cortright is a broken recorrd. The city has been listening to his dogma for years and ignores how badly things have turned out. Easing parking requirements is a present to developers. People do not give up their cars- they just park further away and experience smash and grabs. If you look at the big picture- ...
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Just in time for the elections. Now powerful political groups can hire staff to block comments.
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I am much less concerned about being 'humane' to sex offenders than you, apparently. I view removal of the sex offender from society as preferable to removing their sex organs. It is more expensive, but the truly efficacious solution, the death penalty, I reserve for those whose crimes truly justify permanent removal...
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I think the truth might tend to be rasist to you...
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I would stick to debates in which I would be proud for folks to know Where I live. What did you say, that had you fearing half the city?If a person wants to come by my house and try to shove his nonsensical and troll like comments screaming into my face... Bring it. But I warn you, I sound like this in real life too. D...
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SF has a lot of old neighborhoods filled with apt buildings converted from single family homes; buildings divided into 6 apartments with 12-15 tenants and no parking included. Their rent is not lower for lack of parking. For blocks around there is zero parking. Tenants cannot have company over. Many of these folks ...
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I strongly disagree. Many confuse disagreement with the word troll.
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While it's often more fun (and easier) to create a straw man than it is to actually address the issue at hand, no one is controlling anyone's opinion, nor should anyone want to (debate is what makes talking about the news interesting, after all!) When sites turn off their comments section, they effectively silence eve...
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I'm sorry but supporting this, ie: Nestle to use up valuable resources is wrong and needs to be stopped. The fact that folks even buy bottled water amazes me but that aside? NO NO NO
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Amarcas, we have thought about this exact scenario: the flooding of the comment section by a group of like-minded and/or mission-driven people who'd be intent on suppressing opposing opinions. We have a lot going on in the backend application that looks for suspicious activity and is designed *specifically* for this sc...
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You would be jeopardising the proprietor's liquor license, causing the owner more trouble. With friends like you.... I do admire your dream to become a troll in real life, though.
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So instead of trying to keep them out you would try to keep them in?
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Poor guy. Hope he gets down soon an gets the help ne needs.
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The ones who keep getting elected at two year intervals in the House of Representatives are the ones who can choose to fund or defund or refuse to fund Federal programs. Whether they are 'true conservatives' or not, 'progressive' programs can't do to well without their votes for more money. Ineffectual? If they choo...
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As the actions of the police were ruled justified, and not murder, there is no way the occupants of the vehicle could be charged with murder.
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*WE CAN* is simply a political proxy for the Lucy Vinis campaign. They will not disclose their members, leaders or financial and political relationships. The authors are classic Eugene "we know best" fanatics who believe they're entitled to force their own views on neighborhood communities for "the greater good." It...
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but will "flagging" automatically delete a comment? sometimes commenters flag comments solely because of disagreement with the opinions of the poster .. I would hope flagged comments are reviewed for the legitimacy of the flagging!
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Let's see, the Prosecutor in Eugene Municipal Court is Senator Prozanski, who just tried to get a Felony Penalty Bill passed in the Oregon Legislature for motorists who severly injure pedestrians or bicyclists. The City Council, for which Ms Taylor is running for re-election, has budgetary authority, over Prosecutor...
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quell the storm and ride the thunder...
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I'm glad I took the time to do the survey. I appreciate ADN for considering reader input. Very optimistic. Thank you.
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Kudos to you guys for working towards a viable comment system ... I know it's a struggle to find the balance between allowing open and honest expression on the one hand and and preserving civility on the other. Historically I *have* actually gained some wonderful insights through the FB-based system, even though wading...
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David Nees did the same thing to a female blogger. He didn't like her comments, which were civil, and he posted her personal email address and phone number on the ADN comment site. Need is running for the school board, again, this year and he wants people to vote for his type of shoddy character.
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I love the share comments feature because every now and then someone posts a brilliant comment.
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Have to give this a try, good job! No more spammy "I make $8,000 a month" posts.
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Then a bumper sticker satisfies your articulation and dialogue needs - good for you!
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Sound like a good idea. I hope civil commentators of all stripes find the new system useful.
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This advocate is able-bodied, yes. I have a bike commute that is do-able for me, yes. I have two children, both under ten, so you're wrong there. Do you ride the bus much? Do you ever notice who is on the bus? A lot of times it's people who you would probably think must have a car. Like people in wheelchairs, on c...
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I am wondering if there is a grievance process for comments that are mobbed by bullies but are not actually uncivil but touch a never will groups who feel others have no right to an opinion different than theirs. I have seen this and experienced it. In fact there are political people and entities who have actually hire...
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One problem I see is that truth and facts can be offensive to many people. For instance, commenting on a crime story, to show statistics on % of crime committed by race might offend, or come across as rasist to some people... Or when discussing budget issues, say discussing the fact that tens of thousands of rural vill...
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Betty Taylor, notorious hypocrite, voted for the city's climate change policies and to encourage more travel by bicycle, foot and transit. Meanwhile, she's out there terrorizing anyone who dares to walk with her scofflaw driving. Shame on her, whether she has the capacity to feel shame or not. With "leadership" like th...
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christa_m Is there an Ignore feature? I'm already tired of reading Amarcas Young's potshots.
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I'm skeptical. Don't remember very many "non-civil" comments in the past. This looks more like a good opportunity to suppress unpopular speech. I guess we'll see.
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let the fun begin!
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People here are complaining that ADN will only allow liberal views with this system. However, based on the lack of any creditable reporting on the Bernie Sanders campaign by ADN, I'd say the chances are very low that liberals will ever have their say in this newspaper.
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I find that a lot of people make converse errors in their presentations, which leads to the offense. In formal logic, a converse error is taking the general argument "A implies B" and assuming "B implies A". How this works in practice is turning "terrorists are primarily Muslim" into "Muslims are primarily terrorist...
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I'm think this could work out well and be very good way of keeping the comments section.... I'm not sure where I can keep informed about all my opportunities to "make $77/hour from Home" now though....LOL
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"A DMV reexamination is when a person's driving skills must be reevaluated based on one or more factors, including the driver's physical or mental condition, or driving record. A DOT reexamination may be recommended by a family member, physical or emergency medical technician, or peace officer." And of course an EPD...
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Yes, it's called don't read the comment section if you get offended easily ...
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And these "peer reviews" will be totally unbiased, I'm sure.
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Why should I have to give up reading the quality comments, because of glib trolls?
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This is great as I am one that has abstained from using FaceBook.
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Kyle, this is a great question. What's surprised me most, after helping to design this system assuming that people will try to cheat it, is that the majority of people *actually vote in good faith*! Some do try to cheat, of course, but fewer than you'd think! Many comments receive a thumbs down on the "Is this a goo...
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Another pizzeria with burnt pizza?! Nothing appealing about charred food. What gives with this concept of charred pizza?
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Muckamuck, there isn't an "ignore" feature yet, but there will be when we roll out following. You'll be able to follow other commenters (and block them), and follow news stories. We're working on it!
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I think this is silly bullshit and I firmly stand behind the restaurant owner. I for one will be asking everyone I know to eat there BASED on this silly bullshit.
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Dear ADN, Can we use civil comments to peer review and filter your columnists and letters to the editors? Seems fitting, consistent and fair. I mean, how many times do I have to see Shannon Moore's name calling. Un-civility, and disrespect?
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Thanks for at least trying to add some civility to the comments. I hope it works, as it had reached the point where I could no longer read comments. Some added to the conversation, but many were just so angry and offensive that they would put me in a foul mood. Don't need that. I suppose, much as I'd like to elimina...
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Aaron Ray: YOU ARE WRONG. An audit is a fact finding mission specifically designed for someone to make conclusions. That is the point.....then again, not for apologists like you. In addition: 1. This is a grossly over funded agency (nearing $10 million). As a taxpayer you should be livid about the slack attitudes and ...
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Celia, we've designed our front-end application (the one you see and use) to encourage civility, and the backend application to prevent bias and echo chambers. We've been careful in designing our system to ensure it wouldn't be overrun by like-minded people who want to suppress dissenting opinions! Spirited debate is w...
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It isn't a white privilege hipster notion to correct ignorance within a community. The same people that are protesting this are at city hall meeting protesting what needs to be protesting. Calling out this ignorant restaurant owner and also working to solve local problems of exploitation and bigotry are NOT mutually ex...
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Let's give it a whirl.
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Not all of them will be, but we've designed for that! There's a lot going on behind the scenes to correct for bias. So far, it's working well, but we will continue to improve it!
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Thank you — I really hope this works. Time will tell. I see that there's a lot of sentiment assuming that this new comment platform amounts to "censorship", but I prefer to look at this as an opportunity for readers to engage in better and more civil discussion, whether one is conservative, liberal, or somewhere in be...
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I'll see your no mandatory parking and I'll raise you one more: No free parking on public property anywhere. Not in front of your house and not in front of your store. I'm tired of hearing about why people have to have a car. Nobody is trying to take your car away. Part of the cost of owning a car in a city is paying...
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Hi Steven, Christa from Civil here. We think privacy is important, as some people are afraid to express their true opinions when it's attached to their real name. That said, there has to be accountability for what you say and do online. So, we've implemented "persistent pseudonymity" to keep people accountable for thei...
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<i> Do HTML tags work?</i>
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No, flagging a comment does not automatically delete it.
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Funny, that's more or less what Winston Churchill said about Gandhi.
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I appreciate the article, but I'm left scratching my head at your equating on-street parking with neighborhood livability. I've heard livability used to describe a lot of things, but parking has never been one of them.
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Yes, it should be. It should also be the exact question asked by a homeowner without adequate on-premises space to park their cars. This is not just a renters' issue. Paying for a place to store our stuff is not a new concept for anyone.
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Not sure I care for a blocking feature, especially if this system is designed to promote civility. I don't believe in blocking anyone. Question is - are the blockers or blockees still able to see the comments of the other? Some people simply block all people with different viewpoints simply because they don't want to ...
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Why does there need to be a peer review of bloggers' comments? People have bias and if they don't like someone's civil comment, they can vote to block that person's comment. Just like the comment Kyle Craig is spewing. Craig doesn't like the fact that Sue Cassens, Cate Arriola, or Roy Anthony tend to be regular blog...
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I guess I supported what some are calling a crime..With the Bundy's 100%!
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This is a good change simply because even people who use Facebook extensively don't necessarily want to comment through Facebook. For example Facebook puts your employer next to your name in Facebook comments, with no way to turn that off. This is silly and even dumb because most people aren't representing their empl...
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That's a great question Mike, I would like to see ADN or Christa m respond to your comment. We are held to civility but Shannon and Elise are not held to the same standard?
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How do you prevent a person from creating numerous accounts and flooding an article with a point of view?
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I think having the ability to format post would be good, but I think BBCode would be a better alternative to HTML tags. To expand on functionality, I would like having the option to 'down-star' comments as well.
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This is great!!! Thanks David for making the ADN even better!
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Agreed!
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The grounds of the citation are suspect, now that it was dismissed by Eugene’s Municipal Court. I hope she gets a fair hearing. Sometimes I wonder about the arrogant anti-car people like BEST. And, as mentioned below, Senator Floyd Prozanski has introduced a bill which will make it a felon if a biker or pedestrian i...
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You start with a false premise. If SF mandated parking, those homes would never have been allowed to be subdivided. That house would be home to one family instead of 12-15 tenants. If you don't that that would have an effect on rents in town, you're sadly mistaken. You seem to see those tenants as victims, but they w...
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Hopefully this will cut down on the spam
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Nice! Let's give it a try. :)
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Yes, SB 1553 just passed the senate. Better install an air horn in your car. http://gov.oregonlive.com/bill/2016/SB1553/
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Now that is really apples and pineapples! The job of the columnist is to provoke, but they are seldom as nasty, irrelevant or shallow as anon haters and random insulters, at least in my view.
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Thank you for the reply Christa. Makes sense to me. One more question - Is there an edit feature? I make misspells and typos all the time as do many people. And sometimes I forget to add something. Good luck with your new endeavor!
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I've gotten to know your commenting and appreciate it. Sometimes I may not agree; sometimes I may not understand, but I know you're a real person trying to make a difference. (y) I got your back that way, at least. :)
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Well the problem is we are trying to create a walk-able business climate as well. Most businesses need a larger clientele, so 6ooo parking spaces and 7000 issued permits with more apartments being built means a fair number of businesses will be leaving. I happen to frequent a studio near 19th and Overton. As a clien...
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