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Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12
and it's a huge honor to talk to you.
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Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12
Thank you so much, Tomas.
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Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12
Thank you for bringing Labradus to the world
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Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12
and all the great work you're doing.
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Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12
Well, thank you very much.
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Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12
It's been fun.
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Tuomas Sandholm: Poker and Game Theory | Lex Fridman Podcast #12
No more questions.
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Tomaso Poggio: Brains, Minds, and Machines | Lex Fridman Podcast #13
The following is a conversation with Tommaso Poggio.
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He's a professor at MIT and is a director of the Center
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for Brains, Minds, and Machines.
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Tomaso Poggio: Brains, Minds, and Machines | Lex Fridman Podcast #13
Cited over 100,000 times, his work
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has had a profound impact on our understanding
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of the nature of intelligence in both biological and artificial
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neural networks.
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He has been an advisor to many highly impactful researchers
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and entrepreneurs in AI, including
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Demis Hassabis of DeepMind, Amnon Shashua of Mobileye,
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and Christoph Koch of the Allen Institute for Brain Science.
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This conversation is part of the MIT course
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on artificial general intelligence
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and the artificial intelligence podcast.
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If you enjoy it, subscribe on YouTube, iTunes,
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or simply connect with me on Twitter
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Tomaso Poggio: Brains, Minds, and Machines | Lex Fridman Podcast #13
at Lex Friedman, spelled F R I D.
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Tomaso Poggio: Brains, Minds, and Machines | Lex Fridman Podcast #13
And now, here's my conversation with Tommaso Poggio.
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You've mentioned that in your childhood,
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you've developed a fascination with physics, especially
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the theory of relativity.
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And that Einstein was also a childhood hero to you.
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What aspect of Einstein's genius, the nature of his genius,
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do you think was essential for discovering
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the theory of relativity?
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Tomaso Poggio: Brains, Minds, and Machines | Lex Fridman Podcast #13
You know, Einstein was a hero to me,
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and I'm sure to many people, because he
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was able to make, of course, a major, major contribution
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to physics with simplifying a bit just a gedanken experiment,
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a thought experiment, you know, imagining communication
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with lights between a stationary observer
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and somebody on a train.
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And I thought, you know, the fact
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that just with the force of his thought, of his thinking,
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of his mind, he could get to something so deep
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in terms of physical reality, how time
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depend on space and speed, it was something
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absolutely fascinating.
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It was the power of intelligence,
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the power of the mind.
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Do you think the ability to imagine,
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to visualize as he did, as a lot of great physicists do,
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do you think that's in all of us human beings?
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Or is there something special to that one particular human
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being?
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I think, you know, all of us can learn and have, in principle,
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similar breakthroughs.
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There are lessons to be learned from Einstein.
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He was one of five PhD students at ETA,
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the Eidgenössische Technische Hochschule in Zurich,
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in physics.
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And he was the worst of the five,
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the only one who did not get an academic position when
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he graduated, when he finished his PhD.
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And he went to work, as everybody knows,
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for the patent office.
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And so it's not so much that he worked for the patent office,
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but the fact that obviously he was smart,
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but he was not a top student, obviously
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was the anti conformist.
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He was not thinking in the traditional way that probably
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his teachers and the other students were doing.
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So there is a lot to be said about trying
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to do the opposite or something quite different from what
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other people are doing.
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That's certainly true for the stock market.
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Never buy if everybody's buying.
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And also true for science.
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Yes.
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So you've also mentioned, staying
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on the theme of physics, that you were excited at a young age
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by the mysteries of the universe that physics could uncover.
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Such, as I saw mentioned, the possibility of time travel.
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So the most out of the box question,
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I think I'll get to ask today, do you
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think time travel is possible?
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Well, it would be nice if it were possible right now.
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In science, you never say no.
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But your understanding of the nature of time.
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Yeah.
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It's very likely that it's not possible to travel in time.
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We may be able to travel forward in time
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if we can, for instance, freeze ourselves or go
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on some spacecraft traveling close to the speed of light.
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But in terms of actively traveling, for instance,
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back in time, I find probably very unlikely.
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So do you still hold the underlying dream
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of the engineering intelligence that
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will build systems that are able to do such huge leaps,
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like discovering the kind of mechanism that would be
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required to travel through time?
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Do you still hold that dream or echoes of it
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from your childhood?
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