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Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | any system. You know, you look at the health care system or you look at the | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:32:44.880 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | legal system. I have people like Loris come up to me all the time like | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:32:48.880 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | everything they're working on can easily be automated. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:32:52.560 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | But then that's not a good feeling. Yeah, well it's not a good feeling but also | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:32:55.920 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | there's no way to automate because the entire infrastructure is really, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:32:59.760 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | you know, based is older and it moves very slowly. And so | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:33:05.120 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | how do you close the gap between I have an | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:33:08.880 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | how can I replace, of course, Loris don't want to be replaced with an app, but you | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:33:12.320 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | could replace a lot of aspect when most of the data is still on paper. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:33:15.920 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | And so the same thing was with automotive. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:33:20.000 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | I mean, it's fundamentally software. It's basically hiring software | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:33:23.280 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | engineers. It's thinking in a software world. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:33:27.920 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | I mean, I'm pretty sure nobody in Silicon Valley has ever hit a deadline. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:33:30.160 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | So and then on GM. That's probably true, yeah. And GM side is probably the | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:33:34.560 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | opposite. Yeah. So that's that culture gap is really fascinating. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:33:38.560 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | So you're optimistic about the future of that? | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:33:42.640 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | Yeah, I mean, from what I've seen, it's impressive. And I think like | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:33:45.120 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | especially in Silicon Valley, it's easy to write off building cars because, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:33:48.320 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | you know, people have been doing that for over 100 years now in this country. And | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:33:51.760 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | so it seems like that's a solved problem, but that doesn't mean it's an easy | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:33:55.280 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | problem. And I think it would be easy to sort of | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:33:58.080 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | overlook that and think that, you know, we're | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:34:01.120 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | Silicon Valley engineers. We can solve any problem, you know, building a car. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:34:04.960 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | It's been done. Therefore, it's, you know, it's not a real | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:34:08.880 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | engineering challenge. But after having seen just the sheer | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:34:12.640 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | scale and magnitude and industrialization | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:34:16.960 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | that occurs inside of an automotive assembly plant, that is a lot of work | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:34:20.720 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | that I am very glad that we don't have to reinvent | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:34:24.320 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | to make self driving cars work. And so to have, you know, partners who have done | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:34:28.000 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | that for 100 years now, these great processes and this huge infrastructure | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:34:31.120 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | and supply base that we can tap into is just remarkable | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:34:33.920 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | because the scope and surface area of | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:34:38.640 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | the problem of deploying fleets of self driving cars is so large | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:34:43.840 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | that we're constantly looking for ways to do less | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:34:47.200 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | so we can focus on the things that really matter more. And if we had to | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:34:50.240 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | figure out how to build and assemble and | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:34:53.760 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | you know, build the cars themselves. I mean, we work closely with GM on | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:34:57.360 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | that. But if we had to develop all that capability in house as well, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:35:01.360 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | you know, that would just make the problem really intractable, I think. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:35:05.040 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | So yeah, just like your first entry at the MIT DARPA challenge when | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:35:10.080 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | there was what the motor that failed, somebody that knows what they're | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:35:15.520 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | doing with the motor did it. That would have been nice if we could | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:35:18.640 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | focus on the software, not the hardware platform. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:35:20.960 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | Yeah. Right. So from your perspective now, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:35:23.760 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | you know, there's so many ways that autonomous vehicles can impact | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:35:27.760 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | society in the next year, five years, ten years. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:35:30.480 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | What do you think is the biggest opportunity to make | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:35:34.080 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | money in autonomous driving, sort of make it a | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:35:37.600 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | financially viable thing in the near term? | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:35:41.520 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | What do you think will be the biggest impact there? | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:35:44.560 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | Well, the things that drive the economics for fleets of self driving | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:35:49.040 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | cars are, there's sort of a handful of variables. One is, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:35:53.200 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | you know, the cost to build the vehicle itself. So the material cost, how many, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:35:57.760 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | you know, what's the cost of all your sensors plus the cost of the vehicle and | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:36:02.080 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | every all the other components on it. Another one is the lifetime of the | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:36:05.200 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | vehicle. It's very different if your vehicle | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:36:08.720 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | drives 100,000 miles and then it falls apart versus, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:36:11.120 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | you know, two million. And then, you know, if you have a fleet, it's | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:36:13.680 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | kind of like an airplane or an airline where | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:36:18.880 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | once you produce the vehicle, you want it to be in | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:36:23.440 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | operation as many hours a day as possible producing revenue. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:36:26.720 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | And then, you know, the other piece of that is | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:36:30.640 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | how are you generating revenue? I think that's kind of what you're asking. And I | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:36:34.000 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | think the obvious things today are, you know, the ride sharing business | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:36:36.800 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | because that's pretty clear that there's demand for that, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:36:40.000 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | there's existing markets you can tap into and | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:36:42.560 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | large urban areas, that kind of thing. Yeah, yeah. And I think that there are | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:36:46.160 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | some real benefits to having cars without | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:36:50.000 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | drivers compared to sort of the status quo for | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:36:53.680 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | people who use ride share services today. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:36:56.080 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | You know, you get privacy, consistency, hopefully significantly improve safety, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:36:58.320 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | all these benefits versus the current product. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:37:02.320 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | But it's a crowded market. And then other opportunities, which you've | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:37:04.960 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | seen a lot of activity in the last, really in the last six or twelve months, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:37:08.160 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | is, you know, delivery, whether that's parcels and packages, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:37:10.960 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | food or groceries. Those are all sort of, I think, opportunities that are | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:37:14.880 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | pretty ripe for these, you know, once you have this | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:37:20.880 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | core technology, which is the fleet of autonomous vehicles, there's all sorts of | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:37:25.120 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | different business opportunities you can build on | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:37:28.640 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | top of that. But I think the important thing, of course, is that | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:37:31.440 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | there's zero monetization opportunity until you actually have that fleet of | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:37:34.720 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | very capable driverless cars that are that are as good or better than humans. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:37:37.760 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | And that's sort of where the entire industry is | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:37:40.960 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | sort of in this holding pattern right now. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:37:44.160 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | Yeah, they're trying to achieve that baseline. So, but you said sort of | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:37:45.840 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | not reliability, consistency. It's kind of interesting, I think I heard you say | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:37:49.200 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | somewhere, I'm not sure if that's what you meant, but | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:37:53.200 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | you know, I can imagine a situation where you would get an autonomous vehicle | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:37:56.400 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | and, you know, when you get into an Uber or Lyft, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:38:01.200 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | you don't get to choose the driver in a sense that you don't get to choose the | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:38:04.480 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | personality of the driving. Do you think there's a, there's room | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:38:07.360 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | to define the personality of the car the way it drives you in terms of | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:38:12.000 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | aggressiveness, for example, in terms of sort of pushing the | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:38:15.440 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | bound? One of the biggest challenges of autonomous driving is the | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:38:19.680 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | is the trade off between sort of safety and | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:38:23.280 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | assertiveness. And do you think there's any room | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:38:26.880 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | for the human to take a role in that decision? Sort of accept some of the | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:38:30.880 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | liability, I guess. I wouldn't, no, I'd say within | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:38:36.800 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | reasonable bounds, as in we're not gonna, I think it'd be | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:38:39.920 |
Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14 | highly unlikely we'd expose any knob that would let you, you know, significantly | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0014-large.html#00:38:43.600 |
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