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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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maybe half or so of AI researchers
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:09:46.840
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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think we're going to get AGI within decades.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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So if that happens, of course,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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then I think these things are all possible.
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:09:52.720
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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But in terms of whether it will happen,
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:09:55.040
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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I think we shouldn't spend so much time asking
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:09:56.840
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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what do we think will happen in the future?
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:10:00.600
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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As if we are just some sort of pathetic,
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:10:03.240
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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your passive bystanders, you know,
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:10:05.160
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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waiting for the future to happen to us.
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:10:07.040
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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Hey, we're the ones creating this future, right?
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:10:09.280
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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So we should be proactive about it
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:10:11.640
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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and ask ourselves what sort of future
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:10:15.520
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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we would like to have happen.
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:10:16.920
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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We're going to make it like that.
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:10:18.240
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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Well, what I prefer is just some sort of incredibly boring,
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:10:19.920
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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zombie like future where there's all these
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:10:22.720
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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mechanical things happening and there's no passion,
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:10:24.320
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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no emotion, no experience, maybe even.
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:10:26.040
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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No, I would of course, much rather prefer it
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:10:29.600
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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if all the things that we find that we value the most
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:10:32.040
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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about humanity are our subjective experience,
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:10:36.240
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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passion, inspiration, love, you know.
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:10:40.680
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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If we can create a future where those things do happen,
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:10:43.000
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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where those things do exist, you know,
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:10:48.000
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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I think ultimately it's not our universe
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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giving meaning to us, it's us giving meaning to our universe.
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:10:54.560
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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And if we build more advanced intelligence,
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:10:57.960
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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let's make sure we build it in such a way
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:11:01.840
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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that meaning is part of it.
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:11:03.680
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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A lot of people that seriously study this problem
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:11:09.120
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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and think of it from different angles
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:11:11.400
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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have trouble in the majority of cases,
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:11:13.600
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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if they think through that happen,
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:11:16.880
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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are the ones that are not beneficial to humanity.
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:11:19.160
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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And so, yeah, so what are your thoughts?
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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What's should people, you know,
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:11:25.560
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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I really don't like people to be terrified.
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:11:29.400
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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What's a way for people to think about it
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:11:33.440
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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in a way we can solve it and we can make it better?
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:11:35.040
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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No, I don't think panicking is going to help in any way.
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:11:39.600
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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It's not going to increase chances
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:11:42.960
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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of things going well either.
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:11:44.840
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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Even if you are in a situation where there is a real threat,
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:11:45.880
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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does it help if everybody just freaks out?
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:11:48.400
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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No, of course, of course not.
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:11:51.080
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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I think, yeah, there are of course ways
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:11:53.640
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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in which things can go horribly wrong.
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:11:56.600
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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First of all, it's important when we think about this thing,
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:11:59.560
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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about the problems and risks,
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:12:03.680
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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to also remember how huge the upsides can be
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:12:05.280
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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if we get it right, right?
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:12:07.160
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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Everything we love about society and civilization
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:12:08.440
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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is a product of intelligence.
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:12:12.360
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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So if we can amplify our intelligence
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:12:13.400
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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with machine intelligence and not anymore lose our loved one
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:12:15.320
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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to what we're told is an incurable disease
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:12:18.760
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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and things like this, of course, we should aspire to that.
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:12:21.080
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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So that can be a motivator, I think,
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:12:24.800
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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reminding ourselves that the reason we try to solve problems
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:12:26.680
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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is not just because we're trying to avoid gloom,
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:12:29.120
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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but because we're trying to do something great.
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:12:33.520
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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But then in terms of the risks,
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:12:35.760
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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I think the really important question is to ask,
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:12:37.680
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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what can we do today that will actually help
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:12:42.680
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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make the outcome good, right?
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:12:45.480
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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And dismissing the risk is not one of them.
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:12:47.320
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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I find it quite funny often when I'm in discussion panels
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:12:51.240
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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about these things,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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how the people who work for companies,
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:12:55.960
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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always be like, oh, nothing to worry about,
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:13:01.200
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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nothing to worry about, nothing to worry about.
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:13:03.120
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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And it's only academics sometimes express concerns.
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:13:04.760
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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That's not surprising at all if you think about it.
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:13:09.600
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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Right.
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:13:11.880
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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Upton Sinclair quipped, right,
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:13:12.880
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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that it's hard to make a man believe in something
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:13:15.200
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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when his income depends on not believing in it.
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:13:18.040
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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And frankly, we know a lot of these people in companies
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:13:20.120
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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that they're just as concerned as anyone else.
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:13:24.080
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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But if you're the CEO of a company,
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:13:26.240
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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that's not something you want to go on record saying
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:13:28.480
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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when you have silly journalists who are gonna put a picture
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:13:30.280
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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of a Terminator robot when they quote you.
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:13:33.440
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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So the issues are real.
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:13:35.720
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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And the way I think about what the issue is,
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:13:39.040
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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is basically the real choice we have is,
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:13:41.920
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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first of all, are we gonna just dismiss the risks
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:13:48.040
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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and say, well, let's just go ahead and build machines
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:13:50.840
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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that can do everything we can do better and cheaper.
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:13:54.480
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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Let's just make ourselves obsolete as fast as possible.
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:13:57.560
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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What could possibly go wrong?
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:14:00.200
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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That's one attitude.
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:14:01.720
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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The opposite attitude, I think, is to say,
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:14:03.440
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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here's this incredible potential,
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:14:06.400
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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let's think about what kind of future
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:14:08.800
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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we're really, really excited about.
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:14:11.960
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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What are the shared goals that we can really aspire towards?
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:14:14.640
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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And then let's think really hard
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:14:18.480
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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about how we can actually get there.
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#01:14:19.960
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